The Official Start/Release Date & Location Thread

[Excel]

i CANT be the only one who noticed-

SUPERMAN 2 is WAY too far alog to be out for summer 2009.

1. singer has already signed on. it took nolan about a year longer

2. there is already a title

3. theres already plot discussion

4.Singers is already writing it

but the biggest....


5. THE PRODUCERS SAY IT WILL BEGIN FILMING MID TO LATE 2007!

It doesnt take 2 years to film. Returns began filming in march 05 for a june 06t release date. a span of 15 months.

if superman begins filming between may-october of 2007, then the OBVIOUS release date is HOLIDAYS 2008!!

[hippie_hunter]

I doubt it

[Freddy_Krueger]

It won't be out in 2008. You gotta figure the mid-late 2007 start includes pre-production stuff and the actual production. Probably about five months of filming, post-production, reshoots, continued post-production, editing, special effects work, music, etc. etc. The film still has a ways to go.

Although it is good that Singer and Lee are discussing the sequel now. That means they're gonna have a pretty good idea as to what the film will be about and what to expect from it real soon. :)

[FanboyX_Returns]

i CANT be the only one who noticed-

SUPERMAN 2 is WAY too far alog to be out for summer 2009.

1. singer has already signed on. it took nolan about a year longer

2. there is already a title

3. theres already plot discussion

4.Singers is already writing it

but the biggest....


5. THE PRODUCERS SAY IT WILL BEGIN FILMING MID TO LATE 2007!

It doesnt take 2 years to film. Returns began filming in march 05 for a june 06t release date. a span of 15 months.

if superman begins filming between may-october of 2007, then the OBVIOUS release date is HOLIDAYS 2008!!

Yeah that would be a good move after they already blew the first one!
YEA RUSH OUT the 2nd one! That will work!

Seriously dude think about it...

[dude love]

i CANT be the only one who noticed-

SUPERMAN 2 is WAY too far alog to be out for summer 2009.

1. singer has already signed on. it took nolan about a year longer

2. there is already a title

3. theres already plot discussion

4.Singers is already writing it

but the biggest....


5. THE PRODUCERS SAY IT WILL BEGIN FILMING MID TO LATE 2007!

It doesnt take 2 years to film. Returns began filming in march 05 for a june 06t release date. a span of 15 months.

if superman begins filming between may-october of 2007, then the OBVIOUS release date is HOLIDAYS 2008!!

1. I'm pretty sure Nolan signed on soon after Begins debuted in cinemas. I could be wrong.

2. Untitled Superman Returns Sequel is the title? I love it!

3. Every movie sequel has plot discussion. Land of the Dead had plot discussion for 20 years.

4. So? He's starting the first draft. First drafts get rewritten.

5. This isn't a small arthouse film, this is friggin' Superman, do you know how long pre and post production will take?

6. Why in the blue hell would warner release it at the same time as The Dark Knight? Even if they had connecting plots, they still wouldn't release them at the same time.

[Retroman]

I personally would love to see a superhero flick released in the busy holiday season and Superman is not exception.

I think you've got the filming dates wrong though Excel. Pre-production starts mid/late 2007 and at this moment in time Singer and co are only brainstorming about the story.I doubt they've even started work on the script yet since both Dan Harris and Michael Dougherty are going to direct their own movies soon. Or maybe they've hired a third writer in the meantime?

[Retroman]

1. I'm pretty sure Nolan signed on soon after Begins debuted in cinemas. I could be wrong.
Nolan officialy signed on in July.
2. Untitled Superman Returns Sequel is the title? I love it!
IESB who broke the story about Singe's return for SR2 reported that the rumored working title is 'Man Of Steel'.:cwink:
6. Why in the blue hell would warner release it at the same time as The Dark Knight? Even if they had connecting plots, they still wouldn't release them at the same time.
The Dark Knight will be released summer 2008. Excel is suggesting a winter 2008 debut for Supes.

[dude love]

Holidays 2008 confused me, truly sorry about that. Still I'm not aware of any other summer blockbusters lined up for 2009 so I'm guessing WB is gunning for Summer '09.

[dark_b]

it can not be man of steel. they saw this on this forum. we started this.

[green]

http://joblo.com/index.php?id=13521

Source: Variety by: Mike Sampson



Bryan Singer has corraled a quartet of actors for the upcoming Warner Bros. thriller TRICK 'R TREAT. Singer vets Brian Cox and Anna Paquin (X2) are joined by Leslie Bibb and Dylan Baker in the horror film being written and directed by Singer collaborator and SUPERMAN RETURNS writer Mike Dougherty. Singer will produce the film and, according to Variety, is expected to be on set throughout the production to lend assistance to Dougherty who is making his directorial debut. The film is described as a horror film with intertwining stories a la GO. Obviously Warner Bros. is looking for TRICK to hit theaters on Halloween. Filming is scheduled to begin this Thursday in Vancouver and you can certainly expect some SUPERMAN RETURNS 2 brainstorming to take place on set in their down time (much like how Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale worked on THE DARK KNIGHT during THE PRESTIGE).

[explode7]

Untitled Superman Returns sequel is the title?:confused:. I guess that can work...

[matrix_ghost]

i CANT be the only one who noticed-

SUPERMAN 2 is WAY too far alog to be out for summer 2009.

1. singer has already signed on. it took nolan about a year longer

2. there is already a title

3. theres already plot discussion

4.Singers is already writing it

but the biggest....


5. THE PRODUCERS SAY IT WILL BEGIN FILMING MID TO LATE 2007]

It doesnt take 2 years to film. Returns began filming in march 05 for a june 06t release date. a span of 15 months.

if superman begins filming between may-october of 2007, then the OBVIOUS release date is HOLIDAYS 2008!!

1 Just because someone isn't signed on immediatly doesn't mean that a movie will come out earlier. With the amazing response Batman Begins got , it was a no brainer to sign on Nolan for the sequel. But there was no rush because
A WB is still working with it's superhero release date which is is to release a major superhero movie every year. They had planned for Wonder Woman to be released in '07. So it would be '05 Batman , '06 Superman Returns , '07 Wonder Woman , 08' Batman Sequel , ' 09 Superman Sequel.
B Nolan had said to WB that he would make the Prestige post BB and only after the prestige would he begin work on TDK.

2 There is no title yet. Only a rumored title. Until it's confirmed i wouldn't go to say THAT THERE IS A TITLE.

3 Doesn't mean that the movie will come out in 2008. Singer did propose a basic idea to Alan Horn when he was invited to Dinner by him. It could very well be that Singer told Horn what he envisioned as his trilogy. The Matrix Sequels were also long set yet it took almost 4 years before the next one came out.

4 A script isn't written that easily. Sure it does help when you already have a basic idea of what you want in the 2nd and 3rd sequels , but it doesn't really mean anything. I'll take the example of X2 which was also a no brainer after the success of X1. And how long did it take to appear after X1....3 years.


5 True , it doesn't take 2 years to film.
IT DOES HOWEVER TAKE 2 years to create complex VFX sequences.
To give you an example of how long post-prod. on BIG budget VFX blockbusters take place

Spiderman 3 : 2 years.
Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions : 4 years
Star Wars Ep 2 and Ep 3 : 1.5 years.

The fact that sequel is going to be a bigger movie in terms of size and scope then returns , means that they'll take even longer to create the VFX. Also i really don';t tink that Returns had a shooting schedule of 15 months. No big budget movie has that kind of shooting schedule , unless you're talking about back to back sequels such as Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions and Lord Of The Rings.
http://movies.about.com/od/superman/a/superman021206.htm
See this article.
Bryan Singer on Reshoots: Singer said they did not have to do many reshoots. “We have only one pick-up day in Los Angeles, but that was it. What I did was I switched my schedule. I had shot for 107 days [and] originally I was going to shoot for 128 days.

Or this article :
http://www.filmjournal.com/filmjournal/filmmakers/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002726816
When you're making a film like The Usual Suspects, you have a 35-day shooting schedule and then 15 weeks of post," he says, sighing. "Here we had 140 days of shooting followed by eight months of post-production.

So you see , no 15 month shooting schedule.


Because the groundwork has already been laid , they know how to continue with the VFX. They don't have to start from scratch with the VFX. But they'll have to take their time again with the VFX and as far as i know no sequel has had a shorter post. prod. time then it's predecessor.


and a 6th point to adress : WB doesn't want it's comic book franchises to compete with each other. So a Batman movie is release ,you'll only see a batman movie that year. No superman movie.

In short :
NO WAY IN HELL THAT Warner is going release the sequel in '08

[Retroman]

^^Point well made MG.:woot:
Holidays 2008 confused me, truly sorry about that.
No worries man.:yay:
Still I'm not aware of any other summer blockbusters lined up for 2009 so I'm guessing WB is gunning for Summer '09.
Thats what i think as well though i do like idea of a holiday 2008 release.

[WhatsHisFace]

Special effects take forever.

[Showtime]

The working title is most definately The Man of Steel, whether it lasts, who knows.

[COME ON !]

There is no way that will happen.

[Dan33977]

i CANT be the only one who noticed-

SUPERMAN 2 is WAY too far alog to be out for summer 2009.

1. singer has already signed on. it took nolan about a year longer

2. there is already a title

3. theres already plot discussion

4.Singers is already writing it

but the biggest....


5. THE PRODUCERS SAY IT WILL BEGIN FILMING MID TO LATE 2007!

It doesnt take 2 years to film. Returns began filming in march 05 for a june 06t release date. a span of 15 months.

if superman begins filming between may-october of 2007, then the OBVIOUS release date is HOLIDAYS 2008!!

No, you're an idiot. Plan and simple...

[aroundthefur33]

what is the title...The Man of Steel...i hope they dont go that route...how about Superman:Child Support

[JerseyJoker]

The Man of Steel as a title is horrible.

[Super Kal]

I like that title... it fits well with the new Batman title...

[CConn]

I must say, I wouldn't have much problem with a winter '08 release date. There would still be plenty of time to make the movie (IE: they wouldn't be rushing anything), and it would free up the summer of 2009 for Wonder Woman (if Whedon can't get it out in '08, at least). Not to mention we'll be getting the thing six months early. :o

I won't comment on whether it will happen, but I certainly wouldn't mind it happening.
5 True , it doesn't take 2 years to film.
IT DOES HOWEVER TAKE 2 years to create complex VFX sequences.
To give you an example of how long post-prod. on BIG budget VFX blockbusters take place

Spiderman 3 : 2 years.
Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions : 4 years
Star Wars Ep 2 and Ep 3 : 1.5 years.

The fact that sequel is going to be a bigger movie in terms of size and scope then returns , means that they'll take even longer to create the VFX.Spider-Man 3 didn't have 2 years of post production.

They started filming in Janurary of this year, until about the end of the summer (I think). That gives them (roughly) 9 months of post.

Not to mention, Spider-Man 2 (which was a bigger movie in terms of size and scope than SM1) was released a straight 2 years and 2 months after the first film.

Also, releasing SR in the winter of '08 would in no way make it be in competition with The Dark Knight. That seems to be a common misconception with people, they think it matters which movie made the most in this year or that year, all that really matters is if one movie steals another movie's box office. And since TDK will have been out of theaters a solid 2-3 months before the Superman movie would release in November or December, there wouldn't be any competition to speak of.

[matrix_ghost]

I must say, I wouldn't have much problem with a winter '08 release date. There would still be plenty of time to make the movie (IE: they wouldn't be rushing anything), and it would free up the summer of 2009 for Wonder Woman (if Whedon can't get it out in '08, at least). Not to mention we'll be getting the thing six months early. :o

I won't comment on whether it will happen, but I certainly wouldn't mind it happening.
Spider-Man 3 didn't have 2 years of post production.

They started filming in Janurary of this year, until about the end of the summer (I think). That gives them (roughly) 9 months of post.

Not to mention, Spider-Man 2 (which was a bigger movie in terms of size and scope than SM1) was released a straight 2 years and 2 months after the first film.

Also, releasing SR in the winter of '08 would in no way make it be in competition with The Dark Knight. That seems to be a common misconception with people, they think it matters which movie made the most in this year or that year, all that really matters is if one movie steals another movie's box office. And since TDK will have been out of theaters a solid 2-3 months before the Superman movie would release in November or December, there wouldn't be any competition to speak of.

That is true , if you'd consider the period after all scenes have been filmed.
But some of the more difficult VFX shots were filmed ahead before principal photography began.
So as principal photography began , so did early work on the VFX.
Granted everything kicks into overdrive oncne shooting is all done , but if you'd look at how long it takes to make certain VFX sequences , you'll see that they can take up to 2 years to create.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

There's no way WB would release this in the same year as TDK, sorry i just cant see it, Summer 2009 is when it will be released IMO.

[dark_b]

I must say, I wouldn't have much problem with a winter '08 release date. There would still be plenty of time to make the movie (IE: they wouldn't be rushing anything), and it would free up the summer of 2009 for Wonder Woman (if Whedon can't get it out in '08, at least). Not to mention we'll be getting the thing six months early. :o

I won't comment on whether it will happen, but I certainly wouldn't mind it happening.
Spider-Man 3 didn't have 2 years of post production.

They started filming in Janurary of this year, until about the end of the summer (I think). That gives them (roughly) 9 months of post.

Not to mention, Spider-Man 2 (which was a bigger movie in terms of size and scope than SM1) was released a straight 2 years and 2 months after the first film.

Also, releasing SR in the winter of '08 would in no way make it be in competition with The Dark Knight. That seems to be a common misconception with people, they think it matters which movie made the most in this year or that year, all that really matters is if one movie steals another movie's box office. And since TDK will have been out of theaters a solid 2-3 months before the Superman movie would release in November or December, there wouldn't be any competition to speak of.i dont know everything. but i do know that there was test filming in november 2005. and if i rmember correctly they even shot the most complex shots in 2005 already to see if it is good enough. plus since in june they made a lot of effects for the teaser i think they started worgin on the effects already in februar.

[fabman]

Anyway, the working title for the new Supes flick is rumored to be 'Superman: The Man of Steel' and not just 'The Man of Steel'...

[Retroman]

Spider-Man 3 started filming November 2005 in Los Angeles and Santa Clarita. One of the very first things they shot was the effects heavy scene where the police tries (unsuccessfully) to shoot Sandman.

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3959/sandmanrx2.jpg

James Franco started filming some of his scenes back then as well.

They did something similar on Spider-Man 2 too. Part of the big train battle with Doc Ock and Spidey was shot in November of 2002 in Chicago with extras on set. This was before they even had cast Alfred Molina! Originally the plan was to have Spidey battle Ock ánd The Lizard but that was scrapped.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4172/2642114mainoc5.jpg

[matrix_ghost]

The amount of time spent on creating the VFX can give you an indication of just how big the VFX sequences of a movie can be.

When exactly is Singer going to start shooting the movie anyway ?
Returns had a post. prod schedule of 9 months . The sequel needs to have a bigger post.prod schedule. Although it all depends on just what kind of scenes Singer is going to use in the sequel.

[Retroman]

The amount of time spent on creating the VFX can give you an indication of just how big the VFX sequences of a movie can be.

When exactly is Singer going to start shooting the movie anyway ?
Returns had a post. prod schedule of 9 months . The sequel needs to have a bigger post.prod schedule. Although it all depends on just what kind of scenes Singer is going to use in the sequel.
According to recent reports they'll probably start preping mid/late next year. I guess filming depends on when the script is ready and thats still a question mark since both Harris and Dougherty are shooting their own films.

Returns started pre-production in August, 2004. Principal photography started in March of 2005 and ended in November but there was 5 week hiatus included though.

[ultimatefan]

It can be made for summer 2009 but holidays isn´t such a bad idea for a Supes movie. The first Superman was released in Christmas.

[PSU442]

so is 'Wolverine' going to be Supe's competition again come '09? And what's with Singer's comments about wanting to see a script?

[Freddy_Krueger]

He's just interested in knowing what they're going to be doing with the Wolverine movie (seeing as he did direct the first two, and better, X-men flicks). But he won't be directing it or anything.

[ervann]

What else is on? The only major film lined up right now that I know of is Cameron's Avatar (needless to say it probably will redefine VFX in Hollywood).

Any other Superhero movies lined up against Superman? Maybe a Silver Surfer movie. Hulk? Wolverine?

[Antonello Blueberry]

The third Fantastic Four movie probably.

[matrix_ghost]

Naah , i don't think a FF3 will be released in 2009. MY guess is that Fox will see just how FF2 will turn out which IMO will be better the first , but still make X-men numbers. And then wait 3 years before releasing the sequel.
Kinda the approach it took with X3 and how Spiderman 3 is made. Besides a FF3 will of course be bigger and better then FF2 , so you'll be needing even bigger VFX shots. And so it'll take quite a while for them to be made , hence a 3 year timeframe IMO.

Summer of '09 could probably have sequels to movies that have been succesful in '07 and '06. For '09 they'd probably go with transformers sequel or adaptation of one of Dan Brown's novels .
Maybe even a Constantine 2 or a Ghost Rider 2.

Also , don't forget a Pixar movie.

The Hulk movie comes out in 2008 . Maybe a Wolverine movie that might be released in 2009.


So far it's just Superman and Avatar that have claimed summer of '09.
However i do feel that if Singer is going to make something like SR , only with more action , WB should go on and release in during the thanksgiving period.

However if it's something more like SPiderman , they should go with the May period.

[ervann]

Avatar is going to be the tentpole of the summer, for sure. It's only 2007 and WB's already booked in a showdown with what should be the ultimate mega-budget sci-fi VFX flick in recent memory...

Doesn't bode too well for a Superman under Singer if you ask me. WB will most definitely release it early (May) or push it to Thanksgiving, which would be a bit of a slap to one of its marquee franchise.

[GreenKToo]

well I think W.B./singer need to start putting some buzz out for the sequel now( leak the villian ID, and who will play him)...give us a teaser much earlier this time, and show the villian (Brainiac :D) in it. Plus, STRESS that it has more action.

[matrix_ghost]

I agree.
I know that Avatar is going to be an enormous VFX spectacle ( IMDB news reports that the budget is 190 million) and given how Cameron is a master filmmaker who really works with groundbreaking VFX i gave no doubt that Avatar is going to be amazing.
He's already begun work and according to the Cameron interview that AICN posted , we'll expect the earliest images ( or footage) at Showest in 2008.

Also given the huge VFX slate , it makes sense that Cameron is already filming in '07, cause post-prod. is going to take alot of time.

Now this is something that i wou'ld've like to see with Brian Singer. Already begin shooting now in '07 and then spend most of '08 and the early parts of '09 as a post-prod. period. Or at least start early VFX work now.

Look at Spiderman 3. They did shoot in '06 , but work on the VFX had already begun in '05 with PRE-VIZ. I remeber reading that when Thomas Hayden Chruch was cast , he had already seen the movie in PRE-VIZ. Now PRe-VIZ was already finished in '05 which gives you a sense how just how well they planned the VFX of Spiderman.

Compare that with Superman and you really don't hear nothing. I think they're still writing the script and/or are busy talking with the WB exec. about finances.

Singer should already begin saying who he plans to use as the main villain , getting people interested and not wait till the last moment.

Besided release dates haven't been set for Avatar and the superman sequel . Given that both movies are expensive, they might go with the coveted may release date although i think that this time around Superman doesn't have any "big" compeition in '09 like POTC. Therefore it can be released again in June.

[dark_b]

I agree.
I know that Avatar is going to be an enormous VFX spectacle ( IMDB news reports that the budget is 190 million) and given how Cameron is a master filmmaker who really works with groundbreaking VFX i gave no doubt that Avatar is going to be amazing.
He's already begun work and according to the Cameron interview that AICN posted , we'll expect the earliest images ( or footage) at Showest in 2008.

Also given the huge VFX slate , it makes sense that Cameron is already filming in '07, cause post-prod. is going to take alot of time.

Now this is something that i wou'ld've like to see with Brian Singer. Already begin shooting now in '07 and then spend most of '08 and the early parts of '09 as a post-prod. period. Or at least start early VFX work now.

Look at Spiderman 3. They did shoot in '06 , but work on the VFX had already begun in '05 with PRE-VIZ. I remeber reading that when Thomas Hayden Chruch was cast , he had already seen the movie in PRE-VIZ. Now PRe-VIZ was already finished in '05 which gives you a sense how just how well they planned the VFX of Spiderman.

Compare that with Superman and you really don't hear nothing. I think they're still writing the script and/or are busy talking with the WB exec. about finances.

Singer should already begin saying who he plans to use as the main villain , getting people interested and not wait till the last moment.

Besided release dates haven't been set for Avatar and the superman sequel . Given that both movies are expensive, they might go with the coveted may release date although i think that this time around Superman doesn't have any "big" compeition in '09 like POTC. Therefore it can be released again in June.are you now gonna tell me that cameron with 190 milions will make everything better than in SR?

[ervann]

are you now gonna tell me that cameron with 190 milions will make everything better than in SR?

Oh I have no doubt. At least in terms of the VFX, that's for sure. Having said that, Cameron's known for busting his budget. But he's Cameron - he'll deliver a certified blockbuster. Studios put up with him.

I get shivers just thinking about what Weta will serve up with such a long time in post. They've really positioned themselves well against ILM.

And agree that WB needs to have something concrete to annouce, or have Singer come out with some updates. The marketing starts now.

They're probably cracking their heads trying to integrate a complex love triangle/kids plot with a sci-fi, supervillian, all-action premise while hopefully capturing the Superman spirit that was lacking in SR. Well, can you blame them? Wait, actually you can...

[matrix_ghost]

are you now gonna tell me that cameron with 190 milions will make everything better than in SR?

There is only 1 James Cameron movie that i don't like and it's Titanic.
I love all the other ones and have 'em on dvd ( apart from Piranhas 2 and Xenogenis ).
This is James Cameron we're talking about.

ALIENS
Terminator 1
Terminator 2
The Abyss
TRUE FRIKKIN LIES.

The fact that you even asked me if Cameron with his 190 million ( which most likely 90 % of it is going to the VFX) is going to make a movie BETTER then SR is just......cdear lord that you even asked that question :oldrazz:
There is no comparison.

Avatar will own SR's ass. Whether it will own the sequel's ass is a different matter although i do think that it will even own the sequels ass :woot:

Seriously though. I have high hopes for Avatar and i'm confident ( but not to the extent that i'll admit mistakes) that Avatar will turn out great based on past Cameron movies.

I have an indication of how a brian singer superman sequel is going to be and to be honest i'm really sceptical if it'll wow me. With each viewing my rating for SR steadily declined.
I'm still interested to see just how Singer will make a Superman movie worthy of the VFX technology that exists right now

[ervann]

There is only 1 James Cameron movie that i don't like and it's Titanic.

And it's the biggest movie of all time. ALL TIME. :yay:

Jim Cameron would be my no. 1 choice for a Superman movie. With Peter Jackson a close no.2. Cameron will whip Routh into Alpha-male shape.

It's going to be a rough ride for Singer to turn this one out, esp if he's going the sci-fi route, with Avatar presumably owning the '09 summer.

[matrix_ghost]

And it's the biggest movie of all time. ALL TIME. :yay:
Jim Cameron would be my no. 1 choice for a Superman movie. With Peter Jackson a close no.2. Cameron will whip Routh into Alpha-male shape.

It's going to be a rough ride for Singer to turn this one out, esp if he's going the sci-fi route, with Avatar presumably owning the '09 summer.

Imagine the ironory there huh :oldrazz:
I have to admit that i do quie like the production/art/costume design of Titanic. Hats off to the people .
I just hated the whole Leo -Kate romance which brought the movie down several notches for me.

And it's not that i hate love story movies. I just hate the "in you're face " type of love story.


As for avatar owning summer of '09.
Well that may be , but there is never a guarantee. If the movies are released a month or months apart , then i could see both movies making an good amount of cash. The last thing you need it two movies clashing with each other.

And i agree with ya on. Cameron as a superman director...if only that would happen :csad:
Who knows. With battle angel coming out post-avatar the technology used for making these movies will also be used for better CG humans.
SInger might use the technology to make an even better VFX movie.

But he's just made the whole thing too complicated IMO. It's the love story'father son relationship that will be the centre of the story , not superman + villain and 60 plus years of comic book history

[GreenKToo]

I just saw on the reel channel that Peter Jackson's company that did the CGI for his Lotrs' trilogy, will be working on Avatar as well.

[matrix_ghost]

Yep.
That's true. Cameron did choose WETA to use his developed VFX technologies and WETA's own image based MO-CAP technology to be used for the VFX.

Pretty sweet if you ask me . And he's gonna shoot for "just" 31 days.
My guess , it's mostly blue screen work.

I know that alot of sets were built for the superman movie , but it is something that i have been wondering for some time now. Why not just shoot the entire movie on a blue/green screen.
It obviously helps with reducing you're budget meaning you can spend more time and more money for the VFX.

[Matt]

Too soon to say.

[GreenKToo]

They had him speaking for like 30 seconds on the clip I saw, and he said over half of the film would be CGI, he said think 'GOLLUM'Yep.
That's true. Cameron did choose WETA to use his developed VFX technologies and WETA's own image based MO-CAP technology to be used for the VFX.

Pretty sweet if you ask me . And he's gonna shoot for "just" 31 days.
My guess , it's mostly blue screen work.

I know that alot of sets were built for the superman movie , but it is something that i have been wondering for some time now. Why not just shoot the entire movie on a blue/green screen.
It obviously helps with reducing you're budget meaning you can spend more time and more money for the VFX.

[Hunter Rider]

I thought the Avatar thread was in misc movies:huh::woot:

I'd imagine that Wolverine will be a 09 movie unless Fox rush it out for 2008 and there may well be a GR sequel depending on how it does as well as a Silver Surfer film and possibly the Hobbit although it would most likely come out in the winter

I don't see a TF sequel till 2010

I think Singer and co would be wise to use this years comic con to get the villain choice out to the fanbase if nothing else

[GreenKToo]

you got that right about getting the villian info out. just look at spidey 3, now thats marketing at its finest.....I thought the Avatar thread was in community:huh::woot:

I'd imagine that Wolverine will be a 09 movie unless Fox rush it out for 2008 and there may well be a GR sequel depending on how it does as well as a Silver Surfer film and possibly the Hobbit although it would most likely come out in the winter

I don't see a TF sequel till 2010

I think Singer and co would be wise to use this years comic con to get the villain choice out to the fanbase if nothing else

[NewYorkSpider]

Here is what Yahoo Movies has for 2009 so far.

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/upcoming/bydate/2009/

[lexlives]

Here is what Yahoo Movies has for 2009 so far.

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/upcoming/bydate/2009/

BTW, this list is confirmation that a Superman Returns sequel for 2009 has not been greenlit/gotten a go-ahead yet - despite the perception of some who erroneously think it has.

[dark_b]

Yep.
That's true. Cameron did choose WETA to use his developed VFX technologies and WETA's own image based MO-CAP technology to be used for the VFX.

Pretty sweet if you ask me . And he's gonna shoot for "just" 31 days.
My guess , it's mostly blue screen work.

I know that alot of sets were built for the superman movie , but it is something that i have been wondering for some time now. Why not just shoot the entire movie on a blue/green screen.
It obviously helps with reducing you're budget meaning you can spend more time and more money for the VFX.you dont understand. singer likes to have real sets. he liked the details on the sets which cost a lot of money. i think this is great because details are very important as specially if the peopel ino the theater dont see them. lets not forget that they build one of the most complex sets in history(supermans space ship). but the scene were deleted. but it doesnt matter. i just like that they used the budget to build everything real. it doesnt matter if we didnt see this ...the fact that they did it is what makes me happy.
for example they build this again detailed set of teh yacht. and when we see them on the sea the background(sky and sea) is 100% real. i mean why would they go really on the sea they can make everything now real. the ligthing was 100% real.


:o:whatever:

[GreenKToo]

I dunno, but its on these lists for 2009 though.

http://www.movieweb.com/movies/releases/year.php?2009

this one too.
http://www.movie-source.com/year.asp?year=2009

and another.
http://www.comingsoon.net/moviereleases/summer09.php


BTW, this list is confirmation that a Superman Returns sequel for 2009 has not been greenlit/gotten a go-ahead yet - despite the perception of some who erroneously think it has.

[ervann]

Just read that Cameron's Avatar on a budget of $295m. Phew.

[Maze]

I would like you to meet the face of Searider Productions. Yes, she has other teachers who work along side her, and all of them have earned our deep and lasting gratitude. But she is the girl from Wai'anae who came home and put her heart and soul into helping these kids dream big dreams, and become the best they can be.

She is Candy Suiso.

Candy and I have talked about what is next. What do the Nick Smiths have as a future in Hawai'i? We decided that we really need one of them to be the next George Lucas and bring a whole media industry home to Hawai'i.

Well, Hawai'i's answer to George Lucas has found Candy and the Seariders and he remains committed to them.

He is Chris Lee, best known as the former head of Columbia-Tristar Pictures and Executive Producer of Superman Returns. Chris is not from Wai'anae, but he shares the same heart and wants to bring Superman Returns II and his other projects to Hawai'i. He reflects on how we have lost many opportunities, such as the production of the Steven Spielberg/Tom Hanks mini series Band of Brothers. One reason is that while we have relied so much on the natural beauty of our islands, we have not benefited from the talent of our students. We need both to build this new industry.

I would like to introduce Chris Lee.

In my discussions with Chris, it is evident that an education system that believes all students must go on to college is no longer relevant. We need to look at our students' unique talents and develop those job opportunities that will sustain them into the future.

Chris has called upon us to embrace what he calls "learning from Wai'anae" and look at what Candy Suiso has done with the Searider Productions program.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Jan/17/br/br3971604285.html

Thanks to crazy El :yay:

[Showtime]

Hawaii was responsible for some of Superman Returns, possibly CGI in post production. I think they are hungering for more.

There are rumors that production will not continue in Australia and rather Canada and other locations.

[Papa Burgundy]

bring on the stupid hawiian button up shirt jokes.

[PSU442]

There are rumors that production will not continue in Australia and rather Canada and other locations.


i thought the sets were still standing want waiting..... i guess they could be shippable.

[Hunter Rider]

should keep it bright:woot:

[Showtime]

i thought the sets were still standing want waiting..... i guess they could be shippable.

I don't think so, I believe they even took down the farm set from what I've heard.

[Showtime]

should keep it bright:woot:
That's what they are going for...:oldrazz:

[Steelsheen]

should keep it bright:woot:

haha good one! ;) :D

[Mentok]

Some sets are still in some stage of standing. All of the set material (that they didnt destroy) is in storage in Australia.

Fox Studios also has SR2 inked in for using the stages again. I doubt they will take the production to Hawaii simply for budget reasons. Canada is a possible but from what I understand Singer, the producers and W.B are going back to shoot at Fox in Australia.

[Superfreak]

Some sets are still in some stage of standing. All of the set material (that they didnt destroy) is in storage in Australia.

Fox Studios also has SR2 inked in for using the stages again. I doubt they will take the production to Hawaii simply for budget reasons. Canada is a possible but from what I understand Singer, the producers and W.B are going back to shoot at Fox in Australia.


shooting in Hawaii is laughable. Is it not the most expensive state in the US to do anything in? And as much as I'd love SRII to be shot in Canada (probably hongcouver), our Dollar here has been climbing vs. the US dollar for the last couple of years.

If they are trying to save on budget, Hawaii and Canada are two places that would make saving money questionable at best.

[blueboy]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=19331

United Artists' Tom Cruise and Paula Wagner have greenlit their second film, an original thriller that Bryan Singer will direct as his next feature, reports Variety.

The untitled film re-teams Singer with The Usual Suspects screenwriter Chris McQuarrie. Singer and McQuarrie will produce.

Set in WWII, the project is similar to "Suspects" in that it is a multi-character ensemble piece.

Singer and McQuarrie took the project directly to Wagner and Cruise, who agreed to finance it almost immediately.

The film will delay Warner Bros.' hope of mounting a sequel to Superman Returns in the near future, adds the trade. Singer's Bad Hat Harry production company has an overall deal at WB, where he is developing several films that include that sequel and the Harvey Milk biopic The Mayor of Castro Street. Singer is also directing "Football Wives," a series pilot for ABC and ABC TV Studio.

The new project begins production this summer.

*Project does sound pretty interesting though*

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Already old news :)

[Catman]

Or maybe WB will fire Singer and release the film in `09 with another director.

[FlawlessVictory]

There seems to be no question, the Superman sequel is being delayed. I'm not gonna go all lexlives on this but this is very curious. I thought the sequel was planned all along for 2009. Then with the Routh comments today about a possible super villain and no Zod it sounded like things were moving along, but now this. WB seems to always have a gameplan with these superhero films, releasing them every 3 or 2 years apart from each other. If the studio was completely satisfied with SR, I don't think there would be any question the sequel would be rolling out in 2009. Unless, Singer has so much say over there he can alter the schedule of the release of the film as he sees fit. I'm really not too sure what to make of all this.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Could it be 2009 is a long ways from now and working on that film plus preproduction shouldn't be a problem :confused:

[RedIsNotBlue]

Wouldn't be surprised if he gets replaced.

[Catman]

Singer is gonna get the ax. Trust me! I was the VERY first person to say that Kevin Spacey would be cast as Lex Luthor. Which I have prove of, BTW, and now I'm gonna predict that Singer is getting the ax.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Kind of different with Spacey as he was the fan favorite before Singer got the gig.

[Spiderine]

Singer may be out?

[J.Howlett]

If he shoots this new film this year, along with continuing pre-production on the Returns sequel, he can reasonably start shooting the sequel next Spring.

It's not that big a deal. More than likely, this new film of his, he's been working on for a while now....

[FlawlessVictory]

Could it be 2009 is a long ways from now and working on that film plus preproduction shouldn't be a problem :confused:

I would think Singer could do another film in between SR and the Superman sequel and still have the sequel come out in 2009. Nolan did this with The Prestige and kept on schedule with TDK. I just don't get why Variety states so clearly though that now the sequel will be delayed. :huh:

[Octoberist]

Honestly, it depends on WB.

I want to say this: Superman Returns is not my favorite superhero flick. It's underwhelming, however, it's not a piece of trash either. It's an admirable and harmless effort, but ultimately kinda dissapointing. Well, in my opinion.

With the new Hulk, I can see why they are going with a new director (agree with it or not) but I don't know if Superman is at that same level of critisim.

It's hard to say, but honestly, if Singer got the axe, I wouldn't be surprised. However, I do believe that Singer is a talented guy nevertheless, and I hope that things do work out well for him either way.

[Freddy_Krueger]

From what I understand, Singer is a multi tasker and works on several projects at once. Note that the article still refers to him as developing the SR sequel. Will the sequel get pushed back a bit? Probably. But doing another project in between isn't out of the ordinary. Look at Christopher Nolan, making The Prestige between BB and The Dark Knight. Or Steven Spielberg, a guy who can make a release for two films in a single year.

[J.Howlett]

I don't think it's delayed one bit. It's quite conceiveable for Singer to work on both projects at the same time....Flawless just had a great example with Nolan work on the Prestige and right into The Dark Knight.

Singer's probably got a team working exclusively on the Returns sequel while he works on his new thriller. Remember, Singer was also busy executive producing House while very deep into production on Returns.

Everyone relax....

[FlawlessVictory]

edit

[J.Howlett]

Also, Singer was also working on Logan's Run during Returns production. Clearly, the guy loves to multi-task....

[Catman]

If he shoots this new film this year, along with continuing pre-production on the Returns sequel, he can reasonably start shooting the sequel next Spring.

It's not that big a deal. More than likely, this new film of his, he's been working on for a while now....

It took Singer two years to make Superman Returns. Why would he make the sequel in less than a year? His new movie just got greenlit. By the time it is cast and sets are build, etc, he won't start shooting till late 2007.

And, comparing Singer to Nolan is nonsense. You can't compare directing a Batman movie to directing a Superman movie. Nolan can make TDK in a year. Singer can't make Superman that quickly. Especially with all the CGI shots and s--t.

[Catman]

Also, Singer was also working on Logan's Run during Returns production. Clearly, the guy loves to multi-task....

Logan's Run is in development hell. So, why even bother bringing it up.

[J.Howlett]

Because, he was still working on it while shooting Returns. It's relevant to this discussion. It just clearly shows that Singer, like alot of directors, like to multi-task on a number of projects at one time.

This news does not state that he is off the sequel...especially with Routh saying he's talked to Singer about what's going on with the sequel recently.

Again, everyone relax....

[FlawlessVictory]

Ok, lets say the SR sequel is delayed. If WB was so gung ho about a Supes sequel why would they allow it to be delayed so that Singer can make a film for another studio?

[Freddy_Krueger]

Batman Begins had about the same amount of production time as Superman Returns. There's only about 6-8 months of actual filming. The rest goes towards pre-production and post-production.

My thinking is that Singer just wants to do a non-superhero film before diving in headfirst for SR2. Think about it. He's been working on nothing but comic book movies for seven years. X-men, X2, worked on X3 before dropping out and finally SR. His last non-superhero movie was Apt Pupil and that was a while ago.

[J.Howlett]

Again, he's not off it. He'll be working on a number of projects while shooting this new film....and more than likely one of them will be the Returns sequel.

[J.Howlett]

Exactly, Freddy.

[Nokio]

Yeah I say Delay Superman and do the JLA movie! As for Singer getting replaced? I'm thinking yeah. With SR underperforming I said this and I hope so. As for who to replace Singer? I don't know yet, but i hope he doesn't come back.

[Superman4ever]

Already debunked by Supermanhomepage.com http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=3269

[dude love]

It took Singer two years to make Superman Returns. Why would he make the sequel in less than a year? His new movie just got greenlit. By the time it is cast and sets are build, etc, he won't start shooting till late 2007.

And, comparing Singer to Nolan is nonsense. You can't compare directing a Batman movie to directing a Superman movie. Nolan can make TDK in a year. Singer can't make Superman that quickly. Especially with all the CGI shots and s--t.

It took Singer two years to find actors to play Superman, Lex, Lois, Perry, Jimmy, Ma, Richard and Jason, design sets, costumes, wigs, NKI all that stuff's out of the way.

Not really, If Singer starts filming at the end of 07 he can finish at the beggining of 09. Besides, if it's anything like Suspects, it will be a pretty small film.

Calling Kevin Spacey is exactly the same as caling Bale. He was pretty much the favourite from the start.

[Mr.Egyptian.]

False Alarm

False Statement in Variety Report on Singer's Next Film

Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961116.html?categoryid=13&cs=1) reports that United Artists has green-lit Bryan Singer's next movie, in which he will team up once again with "The Usual Suspects" screenwriter Chris McQuarrie. The report also claims that the World War II film will "delay Warner Bros.' hope of mounting a sequel to Superman Returns in the near future."
The Superman Homepage has found out that this claim is false, with Warner Bros. and Bryan Singer reportedly on track to start filming the sequel to "Superman Returns" around March of 2008 as previously planned.http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php

[Freddy_Krueger]

Hmmm...interesting. It's not like Variety is 100% accurate; it wouldn't be the first time they've been given false information.

[Seen]

It took Singer two years to make Superman Returns. Why would he make the sequel in less than a year? His new movie just got greenlit. By the time it is cast and sets are build, etc, he won't start shooting till late 2007.

How do you know? The Variety article says shooting will commence in the summer, not the fall.

And, comparing Singer to Nolan is nonsense. You can't compare directing a Batman movie to directing a Superman movie. Nolan can make TDK in a year. Singer can't make Superman that quickly. Especially with all the CGI shots and s--t.

Chris Nolan was hired as director of Batman Begins in the spring of 2003. The film was released in June of 2005. Two years. More than that, actually. So your point?

And btw, Singer was developing Logan's Run concurrently with developing Superman Returns and directing and producing the pilot episode of House. The dude can multitask. Let him do his job.

[Ita-KalEl]

It's not false, it was a logic speculation :)
But it's not true. The speculations will end soon. I expect an official announcement about the sequel at the ShoWest or at least during the summer.

[David33]

Hopefully,the Superman sequel will be cancelled.

[Ita-KalEl]

Hopefully,the Superman sequel will be cancelled.

LOL "the last days of the haters" :woot:
IMO we'll know very soon the truth. If they want to do the sequel in the 2009 they have to announce it now.

[Downhere]

Hopefully,the Superman sequel will be cancelled.

Hopefully not! Just because you didn't like SR doesn't mean others are as like minded as you. I thought SR was awesome, can't wait for the sequel! :ninja:

[RedIsNotBlue]

I hated Superman Returns but to say you want the sequel cancelled is silly. I want a sequel really bad because I am hoping Singer finally makes his OWN Superman movie and not a piece of **** Superdad Donner homage. Come on Singer you know what to do just ****ing do it.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thank god this news is false, this is my most anticipated movie at the moment and we already have to wait over 2 years for this, waiting longer for some other movie would have severly pissed me off.

Anyway Mcquarrie is a director now isnt he? The Way Of The Gun was excellent and i'd be surprised if he just went back to writing.

[Maze]

Ave :yay:

Well, the fact that the sequel is delayed is false apparently , but the Singer/Mc Quarrie thriller is going ahead (i liked too the Way of the gun . but it was not a hit if i remember well . Plus maybe liked mc Quarrie wanted to write anew .. and i say that he is right to do it again! lol :)

Seriously good news all around now when one think about it: Singer Superman sequel :) , a new thriller from the team of Usual Suspect :hyper: :heart:

[Hunter Rider]

There seems to be a lot of confusion over this,i'll wait till WB actually makes a statement one way or another.

[superbaby]

false news? even the media wanna sabotage the sequel?

[I_Hate_U_All]

I hated Superman Returns but to say you want the sequel cancelled is silly. I want a sequel really bad because I am hoping Singer finally makes his OWN Superman movie and not a piece of **** Superdad Donner homage. Come on Singer you know what to do just ****ing do it.

It's not going to be that simple I'm afraid. It never is.

Sequels generally have a harder time being made than singer thinks. He assumes all second sequels are wrath of khans, but in truth, to my knowledge good sequels are rare. usually the sequels suck worse than the original and that ends the hopes of a true franchise.

So Singer's not going to have an easy time convincing WB to throw more cash at him because generally it's gets harder, not easier for sequels to succeed. That's why Wrath of khan had a lower budget, because the studio lost its confidence in the future of star trek as a franchise. On top of that for all my knowledge on the subject, I can't remember a sequel that was directed by the same person as the original, that was drasitically different in style and story. So I expect nothing different. If there's a Man of Steel, it'll include a boy of steel, and of course continue the donner-verse thing singer's trying to do. Will they pander to comic geeks more though? Possibly, but only because the box office wasn't as good as expected... They don't really care about comicbook geeks as much as we think they ought to. Because obviously the audience ranges beyond us.

[The Batman]

Ok, WB, just dump singer. He makes a movie that, well, underperformed at the BO, and now he's gonna make people wait 4-5 years for a new superman pic?

[GoldGoblin]

Singer is gonna get the ax. Trust me! I was the VERY first person to say that Kevin Spacey would be cast as Lex Luthor. Which I have prove of, BTW, and now I'm gonna predict that Singer is getting the ax.

^
Good.

[Maze]

It's not going to be that simple I'm afraid. It never is.

Sequels generally have a harder time being made than singer thinks. He assumes all second sequels are wrath of khans, but in truth, to my knowledge good sequels are rare. usually the sequels suck worse than the original and that ends the hopes of a true franchise.

So Singer's not going to have an easy time convincing WB to throw more cash at him because generally it's gets harder, not easier for sequels to succeed. That's why Wrath of khan had a lower budget, because the studio lost its confidence in the future of star trek as a franchise. On top of that for all my knowledge on the subject, I can't remember a sequel that was directed by the same person as the original, that was drasitically different in style and story. So I expect nothing different. If there's a Man of Steel, it'll include a boy of steel, and of course continue the donner-verse thing singer's trying to do. Will they pander to comic geeks more though? Possibly, but only because the box office wasn't as good as expected... They don't really care about comicbook geeks as much as we think they ought to. Because obviously the audience ranges beyond us.




On the contrary a lot of second part are often good , and even better than the original ( like for example the godfather part two , Mad Max , the Empire Strike back X2 or Spiderman 2)

Aliens
Back to the Future 2
Batman returns
Blade 3
Bourne supremacy
Die Harder (The third is better imo but the second one was not that bad)
Desperado
Evil Dead 2
The Godfather part 2
Indiana Jones and the last crusade
The Karate Kid 2
Lethal Weapon 2
The Lord of the Rings:the two towers
Mad Max 2
Rambo: First Blood Part II
Rocky 2
Shrek 2
Spider-Man 2
Star Trek : the wrath of Khan
The Empire strike back
Superman 2
Terminator 2
X2

And even if similar in some ways on one can argue that X2 was very different from Xmen.(as was Batman returns and Batman for example )

Singer stated many times that the Donner universe was especially a starting point.
the only problem that i can see is that there will be less money ( for the moment) and possibly a tighter control from Wb( that said a studio having a little more control of a movie is not not always a bad thing)

give the man some trust ;)

[GreenKToo]

I really dont care if singer stays or goes as long as we get another superman film in 2 to 3 yrs, but for the record, my money is on him staying.

[Showtime]

There seems to be a lot of confusion over this,i'll wait till WB actually makes a statement one way or another.

Agreed. I think there is going to be reports flying in many different directions now. WB is the only true source, the horse's mouth so to speak. If they say the sequel is delayed, cancelled, going forward, then my ears are open.

Although, I think this debunks the Nottingham rumors. Maybe that thread could disappear...:cwink:

[Upper_Krust]

Hey all! :)

Interesting news snippet, I suppose if Warner were going to 'politely' remove Singer from the sequel while still keeping his good graces, what they might do is concoct some sort of conflict of scheduling that would act as an escape clause for Singer.

By the way, I have to ask as it keeps distracting me, who is that in your avatar Catman? :o

[Binker]

Thank god this was true.

But lets face it, if it was, Singer would still be on it. Many forget that Chris Nolan did The Prestige following Batman Begins and it ddn't bother WB, which is why he came back and is now doing The Dark Knight.

[I_Hate_U_All]

On the contrary a lot of second part are often good , and even better than the original ( like for example the godfather part two , Mad Max , the Empire Strike back X2 or Spiderman 2)



And even if similar in some ways on one can argue that X2 was very different from Xmen.(as was Batman returns and Batman for example )

Singer stated many times that the Donner universe was especially a starting point.
the only problem that i can see is that there will be less money ( for the moment) and possibly a tighter control from Wb( that said a studio having a little more control of a movie is not not always a bad thing)

give the man some trust ;)

You put blade 3 in there? :huh:

And he has to earn my trust first. Nothing in life is free.

I'll also say that list can easily be outweighted by the poor sequels such as blade 3. It's inarguable that good sequels, especially ones that surpass the original, are rare. I'm not pulling that from my butt.

I'd say burton has a distinictive style (I call it freaky) that's present in both batman and returns. So he's not the best example to use. And Again, x2's biggest difference from the first was that it had a bigger budget, really... to buy cyclops his new shades.

[jj9126]

So we have a Hollywood trade magazine's word vs. a Superman fan site's denial...

There's a specific reason they would have inserted that "delay" portion into the article. I don't see them pulling that out of their asses...

[ultimatefan]

Singer´s under a contract to make the sequel. A delay doesn´t mean cancellation. Nolan also did a smaller budget movie between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

[Maze]

You put blade 3 in there? :huh:

.

lol no it was a mistake, sorry i mean blade 2 ;)

[Maze]

You put blade 3 in there? :huh:

And he has to earn my trust first. Nothing in life is free.

I'll also say that list can easily be outweighted by the poor sequels such as blade 3. It's inarguable that good sequels, especially ones that surpass the original, are rare. I'm not pulling that from my butt.

I'd say burton has a distinictive style (I call it freaky) that's present in both batman and returns. So he's not the best example to use. And Again, x2's biggest difference from the first was that it had a bigger budget, really... to buy cyclops his new shades.

As for you other points , well yes sequels (and there i am talking especially about second part )are not so good usualy when a director is not so good.so good sequels from good director are not so rare , rather the contrary.

Singer not so good? opinion ;)

as for you returns point faire enough, but for X2 iif yes Singer has not a radical style as Burton of course , if you can't see the difference in style between X1 and 2 (apart from the bigger budget) that's another issue : the movie was faster paced for one thing and the style of shooting was way different.and you don't have need necessaraly a bigger budget to do that.

that said , you don't trust Singer , you don't trust him , that's your opinion and i respect it :) , personnaly i don't have those worries that's all.:)

[Lightning Strykez!]

Whether the rumors are true or not it dissapoints me that Bryan is even still attached to this project. :csad: They need to get somebody else in my opinion...someone who isn't going to overly philosophize the story--and its hero.

Whoever the director of the SR sequel will end up being needs to make the film...well, super. And if it takes all the way till 2010 or beyond to get it right, I'm all for that.

[FlawlessVictory]

Thank god this was true.

But lets face it, if it was, Singer would still be on it. Many forget that Chris Nolan did The Prestige following Batman Begins and it ddn't bother WB, which is why he came back and is now doing The Dark Knight.

Of course it didn't bother WB, WB was a partner in the production and distribution of The Prestige.

[FlawlessVictory]

Interesting news snippet, I suppose if Warner were going to 'politely' remove Singer from the sequel while still keeping his good graces, what they might do is concoct some sort of conflict of scheduling that would act as an escape clause for Singer.

Hehe, like Katie Holmes and TDK.

[FlawlessVictory]

Whether the rumors are true or not it dissapoints me that Bryan is even still attached to this project. :csad: They need to get somebody else in my opinion...someone who isn't going to overly philosophize the story--and its hero.

Whoever the director of the SR sequel will end up being needs to make the film...well, super. And if it takes all the way till 2010 or beyond to get it right, I'm all for that.

Singer is an extremely talented director but he seems to not have been the best fit for Superman, IMO. When we end up getting a movie that produces a boy of steel who doesn't know who his biological father is, something tells me the director just didn't fully get the character and his world.

[GreenKToo]

Good points on both sides. We'll not know for sure either way untill W.B. comes out and says something, and I for one am eagerly awaiting some news from them. Just tell us one way or the other.

[jj9126]

Good points on both sides. We'll not know for sure either way untill W.B. comes out and says something, and I for one am eagerly awaiting some news from them. Just tell us one way or the other.

Agreed, this is a classic he said/she said. My gut is that Variety wouldn't pull the "delay" portion out of thin air, while I also agree that the Superman website probably got word directly from Singer's camp.

[Gonking]

This is the chance to get a new director. Take it Warner!

[Lightning Strykez!]

Singer is an extremely talented director but he seems to not have been the best fit for Superman, IMO.

Agreed 150%. He's extremely talented in the suspense/drama genre. But he is in over his head with these CBMs...he just doesn't "get" them.

[fabman]

I think Bryan Singer gets comic books and the characters but it would be nice to see Singer bringing more of his own ideas and vision in the sequel.

[Dark_Lord]

EDIT: Its has been posted...

[GreenKToo]

While I'm not convinced Singer will leave yet, it does look like W.B.*MAY* be opening the door a little, ''inviting'' him to leave gracefully if you will. Thats what the article makes me think anyway, despite whoever debunking it. It had to have a source after all. If its not true, then W.B. needs to do some P.R., and fast.

[The Incredible Hulk]

tell me again why I should believe Supermanhomepage over the people at Variety? :confused: One is a fan website, the other is the most respected trade publication in Hollywood. Not to mention SMHP doesnt say anything more than "Varirty's report is false"

[GreenKToo]

Like I said, W.B. needs to jump on this if its not true. silence will be telling.

[FlawlessVictory]

tell me again why I should believe Supermanhomepage over the people at Variety? :confused: One is a fan website, the other is the most respected trade publication in Hollywood. Not to mention SMHP doesnt say anything more than "Variety's report is false"

True. All they is say that the report is false but they don't list their source of info on how they know this.

[jrd550]

I think Singer created such a mess with the kid and stuff that only he can fix, therefore he'll be staying.

[Papa Burgundy]

i say 2010. which sounds so far away.

[bgshw44]

I think this is a mutual agreement to let singer leave gracefully, and WB will bring in Richard Donner (one can hope)

[Papa Burgundy]

I think Singer created such a mess with the kid and stuff that only he can fix, therefore he'll be staying.

yea singer set up a story that needs to be resolved. we cant have another director step in and ruin what singer set up. sound familar?

[jj9126]

yea singer set up a story that needs to be resolved. we cant have another director step in and ruin what singer set up. sound familar?

It's not that hard to resolve:

1) Superkid, Lois and Richard and leaving town to take jobs in another city! Cue goodbye scene. Superman creepily tells Lois and the kid that "he'll be watching them".
2) Enter the Daily Planet's new, feisty female investigative reporter. She looks a little like Rachel McAdams...and she's single.

15 minutes of screen time to flush the excess waste away and give the franchise a fresh start.

[scifiwolf]

"Delayed" doesn't necessarily mean 2010. Christmas 2009 would be perfectly attainable in this situation - take some pressure off Singer to over exert himself, but also keep the films somewhat on the expected pace for releases every three years.

[FlawlessVictory]

Could they be delaying the Supes sequel to give the summer of 2009 to Snyder and Watchmen?

[Binker]

I'd rather wait for WB to make a announcement on the matter. Because us fighting each other isn't helping.

[danoyse]

Whoever the director of the SR sequel will end up being needs to make the film...well, super. And if it takes all the way till 2010 or beyond to get it right, I'm all for that.

I agree with that...as far as I'm concerned, I waited 19 years for a decent Superman restart, I can wait an extra year or so for a better sequel if that's what it takes.

[Showtime]

Could they be delaying the Supes sequel to give the summer of 2009 to Snyder and Watchmen?

Doubtful.

[bosef982]

I'm not going to say this doesn't raise my eye a bit. However, WB and Co. have seem completley gung-ho with Singer. However, I can see Singer not coming back b/c it'd just be too good to be true to see where he'd take this icon after what he did in SR, which I found to be amazing.

[Showtime]

I'm not going to say this doesn't raise my eye a bit. However, WB and Co. have seem completley gung-ho with Singer. However, I can see Singer not coming back b/c it'd just be too good to be true to see where he'd take this icon after what he did in SR, which I found to be amazing.

Supermanhomepage has debunked this rumor, not sure who is more reliable though. Any thoughts on who is more reliable?

[GreenKToo]

I think their both pretty reliable, so the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

[J.Howlett]

The truth is that he's multi-tasking between the two projects, which isn't uncommon for him and many other directors.

Everyone just needs to chill. I know there are certain people on here who don't want him back but more than likely, you guys will be stuck with him.

Have no worries about the sequel. The best example is we began with X-Men and Singer delivered X2. That should be enough, in my opinion.

[green]

Singer has said several times he wanted to do a smaller film between SR and the sequel, I dont understand why this is so suprising?
Except that it's not at WB and it's not the film I was expecting him to make.

[FlawlessVictory]

Have no worries about the sequel. The best example is we began with X-Men and Singer delivered X2. That should be enough, in my opinion.

The difference is we didn't have a Jason type character to have to worry about going from X-Men to X2. Jason is my main problem with this series and I don't see how things can get any better for me with his character in the next film.

[Sakuraba]

I don't really like Singer. Superman Returns didn't live up to the hype for me and Singer's X-Men's movies were just average IMO. I think a new director would be worthwhile.

[Freddy_Krueger]

So we have a Hollywood trade magazine's word vs. a Superman fan site's denial...

There's a specific reason they would have inserted that "delay" portion into the article. I don't see them pulling that out of their asses...

It's not like Variety is always 100% accurate. I can remember when they reported that Tarantino would be making a brand new Friday the 13th movie. It ended up being completely false. Supermanhomepage is somewhat reliable in that it's not just joe schmoe. They have their sources as well.

I think someone here said it best. The real answer is somewhere in the middle. Singer's going to make his WWII thriller, but it won't have an affect on the SR2 start date. And for everyone thinking this is WBs way of gently edging Singer out of the sequel...

that's just wishful thinking on your part. ;)

[darthhalen]

How is this any different than Chris Nolan doing the Prestige before the Dark Knight? I mean if this project is to shoot this summer, there would be nothing to stop the MAN OF STEEL to start shooting a year from now. I really don't think we have anything to worry about. I am miffed that Variety would state this movie is delayed, I would think they would know better.

[DA Harvey Dent]

If true, this is the beginning of the end for Singer as director.

Can't say this is a surprise as I knew WB execs and shareholders weren't pleased with the fact that Singer misused (sorry, but eliminating million dollar FX shots is a misuse of funds) funds and created a movie that underperformed (by WB's expectations, not fanboys comparisons with previous films).

Singer will get "tied up" with this film and WB will "refuse" to push back the production start dates on the sequel, "making" the door open for a new director to take the reins. Its all done behind the scenes so as not to generate a large amount of negative publicity.

Oh and contractual obligations don't mean squat as accord and satisfactions are done ALL the time to relieve parties of their contractual duties. Billy Dee Williams was contracted for the Batman sequel and he was released from his contract by WB. So the argument that Singer will return b/c he is contracted too means nothing given the realities of contract law.

[Lightning Strykez!]

tell me again why I should believe Supermanhomepage over the people at Variety? :confused: One is a fan website, the other is the most respected trade publication in Hollywood. Not to mention SMHP doesnt say anything more than "Varirty's report is false"

Good observation. :up:

At the Hype, we would naturally gravitate to Variety's word first since they are a bonafide trade publication. In fact, all of the reputable sites reporting on this kind of genre rely on that source. Not that Variety is infallible (stories can be updated as more details are released) but I have concerns that Supermanhomepage didn't give any substantial links or support to their claim that this was false. I mean, let's be frank: anyone can say that it's false just to tickle the ears of fanboys. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's false at the end of the day.

The difference between the two is we can actually verify what Variety is saying by what's in the pipeline. This taps into industry knowledge. The same cannot be said for the fansite. Therefore, I'd take the latter with a grain of salt for now, and hope that the studio releases an official notification to clear things up.

After all, nothing beats a message straight from the gift horse's mouth.

[blueboy]

It took Singer two years to make Superman Returns. Why would he make the sequel in less than a year? His new movie just got greenlit. By the time it is cast and sets are build, etc, he won't start shooting till late 2007.

And, comparing Singer to Nolan is nonsense. You can't compare directing a Batman movie to directing a Superman movie. Nolan can make TDK in a year. Singer can't make Superman that quickly. Especially with all the CGI shots and s--t.


That's exactly what I was thinking... It took him 2years.... I'm sorry for the delay, but Singer has been Directing comic films since Xmen in 2000... Not even including the pre-production time Xmen took, which was probably nearly 2years as well...

It's about time he stretch his wings a bit....

[Papa Burgundy]

The difference is we didn't have a Jason type character to have to worry about going from X-Men to X2. Jason is my main problem with this series and I don't see how things can get any better for me with his character in the next film.you know, it really annoyed me how people gave superman returns negative reviews because of the fact that the kid can ruin the sequel (IGN!) ive read some reviews were they subtracted points from sr because of that. wtf is that s***? the movie is fine, but if you think the kid is gonna ruin the sequel YOU WAIT AND SEE THE SEQUEL! im sorry taking points away from a movie because the sequel might suck makes no sense at all. a bit off topic though.

[blueboy]

But then again if you look at the Superman Returns Doc, they started shooting in March 2005, and the film came out in June 2006...

Pre-Production lasted a few months before obviously... I'm guessing as long as Singer stays on schedule with his new film, then he can finish up and slide right into prep on Superman....

But my question is, is Singer bringing his whole team with him on this new movie? The Dp, Production Designer, Composer/Editor? If so, then it seems like things will be a lot harder maybe?

[Showtime]

I don't know what to believe, I am going to wait until all the chips fall, as I have been doing througout the process. First Brandon talks about an action packed sequel, then Variety is reporting a delay for the sequel, then Supermanhomepage immediately denies it. It's like a soap opera.

This is going to continue, more reports will be released balancing one way or another, but as Greenie said above, "The truth lies somewhere in the middle". Very good quote.

[GreenKToo]

As am I. No need to get worked up over it, especially seeing how we cant do anything about it either way...and thanx for the complement.:yay: I don't know what to believe, I am going to wait until all the chips fall, as I have been doing througout the process. First Brandon talks about an action packed sequel, then Variety is reporting a delay for the sequel, then Supermanhomepage immediately denies it. It's like a soap opera.

This is going to continue, more reports will be released balancing one way or another, but as Greenie said above, "The truth lies somewhere in the middle". Very good quote.

[Showtime]

As am I. No need to get worked up over it, especially seeing how we cant do anything about it either way...and thanx for the complement.:yay:

Level-headed. That's what I like to see...check the sig.

[jj9126]

I don't know what to believe, I am going to wait until all the chips fall, as I have been doing througout the process. First Brandon talks about an action packed sequel, then Variety is reporting a delay for the sequel, then Supermanhomepage immediately denies it. It's like a soap opera.

This is going to continue, more reports will be released balancing one way or another, but as Greenie said above, "The truth lies somewhere in the middle". Very good quote.

Is this reminding anyone else of the Joss Whedon / Wonder Woman saga from a month ago?

- Variety reports that the studio purchased an unrelated Wonder Woman spec script. Reading between the lines: many of us take that as a sign Whedon is out.
- The studio denies Whedon has left the project, the spec purchase is to "head off potential legal problems". Many of us call BS, but the majority buy WB's excuse.
- Days later, Whedon confirms that he's off the project.

[Showtime]

Is this reminding anyone else of the Joss Whedon / Wonder Woman saga from a month ago?

- Variety reports that the studio purchased an unrelated Wonder Woman spec script. Reading between the lines: many of us take that as a sign Whedon is out.
- The studio denies Whedon has left the project, the spec purchase is to "head off potential legal problems". Many of us call BS, but the majority buy WB's excuse.
- Days later, Whedon confirms that he's off the project.

Similar but different. Whendon cfmed they didn't like where was going with the script and wanted a different take, this wasn't a sequel to Wonder Woman. WB already went forward with Returns and they already know the direction the sequel was going, since Singer pitched it from the beginning.

Anything can happen it's Hollywood. Singer could be off the project tomorrow, the sequel could be pushed back, or everything could be fine.

Who knows.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Except that this article states that Singer and Bad Hat Harry Productions are still developing the SR2 project. It's not like WB found a Superman script floating around and bought it thus waving it in front of Singer's face and saying, "We can do this without you."

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm going to wait to see what happens because I honestly believe he can shoot a smaller movie in between SR2.

[GreenKToo]

Well its just a movie, its not like we're going to die or anything if we dont get our way. Me for instance, I want a supervillain with a knock down drag out fight. I also would like to see the suit a tad brighter red, but if I didnt get the stuff that I wanted, I would be disappointed, but it wouldnt be the end of the world....about your sig, i'm flattered.:yay: Level-headed. That's what I like to see...check the sig.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm not going to say this doesn't raise my eye a bit. However, WB and Co. have seem completley gung-ho with Singer. However, I can see Singer not coming back b/c it'd just be too good to be true to see where he'd take this icon after what he did in SR, which I found to be amazing.

Agreed, it wouldnt surprise me one bit if Singer left because this always seems to happen with many movies i really like and get attached to, they either dont get sequels at all or they get crappy one's. X1 and X2, Blade 1 and 2 both got terrible 3rd parts, Ang Lee's Hulk, The Chronicles Of Riddick, Serenity didnt even get one when they all deserved to, heck even Hellboy struggled to get one.

And if Singer leaves SR, i'm betting the sequel will be ****. Honestly, i'm thinking about giving up getting attached to movies.

[GreenKToo]

well just for arguments sake, lets say Singer did leave. Who would you like to fill his shoes??Agreed, it wouldnt surprise me one bit if Singer left because this always seems to happen with many movies i really like and get attached to, they either dont get sequels at all or they get crappy one's. X1 and X2, Blade 1 and 2 both got terrible 3rd parts, Ang Lee's Hulk, The Chronicles Of Riddick, Serenity didnt even get one when they all deserved to, heck even Hellboy struggled to get one.

And if Singer leaves SR, i'm betting the sequel will be ****. Honestly, i'm thinking about giving up getting attached to movies.

[Pickle-El]

Good observation. :up:

At the Hype, we would naturally gravitate to Variety's word first since they are a bonafide trade publication. In fact, all of the reputable sites reporting on this kind of genre rely on that source. Not that Variety is infallible (stories can be updated as more details are released) but I have concerns that Supermanhomepage didn't give any substantial links or support to their claim that this was false. I mean, let's be frank: anyone can say that it's false just to tickle the ears of fanboys. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's false at the end of the day.

The difference between the two is we can actually verify what Variety is saying by what's in the pipeline. This taps into industry knowledge. The same cannot be said for the fansite. Therefore, I'd take the latter with a grain of salt for now, and hope that the studio releases an official notification to clear things up.

After all, nothing beats a message straight from the gift horse's mouth.

I've posted..countless articles from Variety where they couldn't their stories straight on the whole Superman debacles of the past. From Burton up to a Superman Returns sequel.

I put no stock in this until I hear it from the WB themselves stating there is a delay. Just this week and last week, you had Joel Silver and Brandon Routh publically commenting on SR's 09' sequel.

P.S. Unless that WWII film is an effects laden flick (which is usually not the case)....there should be no more than 3 months of shooting and a few months of post.

[Lighthouse]

Variety lost a lot of credibility with me after they reported Shia LeBouf was supposed to be Indy's son in Indy 4, and it turned out to be completely false. I'm not saying they are wrong, but I'm not believing anything right now.

[DeepThroatWB]

I told you guys this a few weeks back. Singer is in a very similar situation over at Warner that Katie Holmes was in. They now have the oppritunity, and an excuse, to replace him, and I fully expect them to do so.

Circumstances have changed with Warner's and a certain director, and it's looking like Warner' is getting ready for a change, but we wont know until the begining of July:cwink: , at the earliest, I would think.

[Maze]

Your all on to something. Right now, Bryan Singer is in a situation similar to the one Katie Holmes was in about a year ago. Warner Brothers hates where Singer is taking the sequel-it looks like it's going to be long, expensive, and not enough action. W.B. have told him it is not green lit yet (though they still want a Superman movie in 2009 with Routh) and he is reworking his plans while looking at other project's as Warner Brother's searches for a new creative team.
Thanks for the info.

but, you said that Warner was looking at another creative team too .

why Singer is still aboard officially?

[I_Hate_U_All]

Variety lost a lot of credibility with me after they reported Shia LeBouf was supposed to be Indy's son in Indy 4, and it turned out to be completely false. I'm not saying they are wrong, but I'm not believing anything right now.

huh? last I read, Shia is set to play Indy's son...

[FlawlessVictory]

huh? last I read, Shia is set to play Indy's son...

I am confused as well, I thought I missed something for a second.

[Freddy_Krueger]

huh? last I read, Shia is set to play Indy's son...

He denied the rumors. http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=40453

[DeepThroatWB]

Thanks for the info.

but, you said that Warner was looking at another creative team too .

why Singer is still aboard officially?

They have yet to finalize their decision, but there are atleast *two* director's being looked at right now and several screen writers. I won't reveal the director's yet cause one would be a welcome surprise, and the other would be horrible, though I doubt he'd accept anyways.

But the main problem's with Superman were a huge lack of action while enormous over spending. The original budget was of 184 million went overboard by 50 million due to Singer, and frankly Warner's wanted to know where it went. They were *saved* by endorsement deals and tax refunds, which made the total cost around 209 million. This is the final word on the budget, that I know of.

Both director's are highly skilled with action and special effects and have proven to be hit maker's at the box office. One makes great movies, while, in my opinion, the other's are merely crowd pleasers at best. I am sure some of you know who I am refering to as this man was in negotions for it before Singer's hire in 2004.

I will say if the problem's not fixed soon, there's no way this is a summer 2009 release, and Warner's has to know this, though I also do not think they would rule out a holiday release for the film in that year, because there will be no Harry Potter then.

[Maze]

I am confused as well, I thought I missed something for a second.

Ditto lol

[FlawlessVictory]

I'm hearing rumblings over at WB that they have found their replacement for Singer:


http://blog.lightsoutfilms.com/lights_out_films/images/uwe_boll.jpg

[Freddy_Krueger]

I'm hearing rumblings over at WB that they have found their replacement for Singer:


http://blog.lightsoutfilms.com/lights_out_films/images/uwe_boll.jpg

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :P

[Maze]

They have yet to finalize their decision, but there are atleast *two* director's being looked at right now and several screen writers. I won't reveal the director's yet cause one would be a welcome surprise, and the other would be horrible, though I doubt he'd accept anyways.

But the main problem's with Superman were a huge lack of action while enormous over spending. The original budget was of 184 million went overboard by 50 million due to Singer, and frankly Warner's wanted to know where it went. They were *saved* by endorsement deals and tax refunds, which made the total cost around 209 million. This is the final word on the budget, that I know of.

Both director's are highly skilled with action and special effects and have proven to be hit maker's at the box office. One makes great movies, while, in my opinion, the other's are merely crowd pleasers at best. I am sure some of you know who I am refering to as this man was in negotions for it before Singer's hire in 2004.

I will say if the problem's not fixed soon, there's no way this is a summer 2009 release, and Warner's has to know this, though I also do not think they would rule out a holiday release for the film in that year, because there will be no Harry Potter then.


Thanks again for your infos :yay:

Ps:That said more hints are welcome about the two directors:woot: :cwink:

[Maze]

I'm hearing rumblings over at WB that they have found their replacement for Singer:


http://blog.lightsoutfilms.com/lights_out_films/images/uwe_boll.jpg

Uwebollman :o :woot:

[Eros]

Even if by some oddity singar cannot do the sequel, whoever the new director is has to the kid thing, the Richard white thing, and numerous outher things that singar is planning to adress in the sequel.

[Matt]

They have yet to finalize their decision, but there are atleast *two* director's being looked at right now and several screen writers. I won't reveal the director's yet cause one would be a welcome surprise, and the other would be horrible, though I doubt he'd accept anyways.

But the main problem's with Superman were a huge lack of action while enormous over spending. The original budget was of 184 million went overboard by 50 million due to Singer, and frankly Warner's wanted to know where it went. They were *saved* by endorsement deals and tax refunds, which made the total cost around 209 million. This is the final word on the budget, that I know of.

Both director's are highly skilled with action and special effects and have proven to be hit maker's at the box office. One makes great movies, while, in my opinion, the other's are merely crowd pleasers at best. I am sure some of you know who I am refering to as this man was in negotions for it before Singer's hire in 2004.

I will say if the problem's not fixed soon, there's no way this is a summer 2009 release, and Warner's has to know this, though I also do not think they would rule out a holiday release for the film in that year, because there will be no Harry Potter then.

Well, this poster is interesting, isn't he? Just be warned, once the Singer gestapo gets a hold of you, they will tear you a new one. We had a poster back when Returns was in production, I forget his name...but he gave info on everything from the kid, to the helicopter scene, to the black suit...right to the detail...only he said it in a bit of a negative light...god, they had a field day with him. But don't let it discourage you. Welcome to the Hype. Keep the info coming please :up:

[Matt]

Even if by some oddity singar cannot do the sequel, whoever the new director is has to the kid thing, the Richard white thing, and numerous outher things that singar is planning to adress in the sequel.

Unless they do a prequel.

[Matt]

I don't know what to believe, I am going to wait until all the chips fall, as I have been doing througout the process. First Brandon talks about an action packed sequel, then Variety is reporting a delay for the sequel, then Supermanhomepage immediately denies it. It's like a soap opera.

This is going to continue, more reports will be released balancing one way or another, but as Greenie said above, "The truth lies somewhere in the middle". Very good quote.

Interesting, isn't it? I gotta admit though, it is almost impossible to put more stock in SMHP than Variety. I mean, I am sure SMHP has their sources...but I tend to think Variety's is better and they may know something that is being kept under wraps (thus a deniale to SMHP) or something that hasn't leaked down the pipeline to SMHP's sources yet.

[DeepThroatWB]

Thanks again for your infos :yay:

Ps:That said more hints are welcome about the two directors:woot: :cwink:

Well, I don't see the harm in telling you guys.:yay:

First, the bad.

Michael Bay. Ever since they've been developing Superman he has been Warners dream director of the project but he turned it down every time in 2004. But, since he has had an enormous flop in the Island, and the studios waiting to see how Tranformersdoes this summer. Warners is in love with this director's film making style, which combines modern looks with classic "American patriotism" which they see perfect for Superman. Also, I am sure his endless special effects filled "money shots" play a part in that. However, Pearl Habor, The Island, and the Bad Boys sequels were worse recieved than Superman Returns. I would be surprised if he is still their favorite, though he's certainly beting talked about, again.

Now, the good.

Gore Verbinski. The director of the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy clearly know's how to handle action, comedy, romance, and drama as he's proven with these three mega smash hits. Unlike a Michael Bay or Peter Jackson or Bryan Singer, Verbinski is not expensive, know's how to handle inexpirienced actors, and knows how to manage money correctly. Like Bay, his shedule is free and could begin working immeadietly if need be, which makes him one of Warner's favorites if their relationship with Singer doesn't work out. His pirates writing team was also one of the group's being eyed to pen the sequel.:yay:

That's the latest.

In my opinion, Warner's will do something to Singer. They'll either flat out ask him what he is making first and than make a decision, or they'll ignore him completely and go on with the project.

Either way, expect Routh and Bosworth to be back. Warners plan was for this to be their Spider-man, and their still intent on trying to make the franchise that.

[Showtime]

Well, this poster is interesting, isn't he? Just be warned, once the Singer gestapo gets a hold of you, they will tear you a new one. We had a poster back when Returns was in production, I forget his name...but he gave info on everything from the kid, to the helicopter scene, to the black suit...right to the detail...only he said it in a bit of a negative light...god, they had a field day with him. But don't let it discourage you. Welcome to the Hype. Keep the info coming please :up:

You're not seriously buying that?

Untill he actually gives relevant information pointing to something directly I don't buy that he knows anything. He is being about as vague as "vague history" itself. Not to say I am dismissing him as a poster or anything, or calling him a liar, but I have seen this many times. The poster you are refering to gave concrete details and was right at every turn. I could take a 50-50 shot and say Singer is going or staying as well, obviously if he was going they would be looking for a new director and screenwriters right? :cwink:

[AssMan]

Unless they do a prequel.

That would not be to bad actually. Use Routh & the same cast & do an orgin movie pretty much ignoring everything in Superman Returns. Then the 3rd one can finish off that story & the last person I would believe anything from is a message board user claiming to have inside info so no I do not believe "DeepThroatWB". Thats like believing lexlives & his stupid ass stuff & the same goes for supermanhomepage. I say the best thing to do is wait & see what the WB says.

[Showtime]

Well, I don't see the harm in telling you guys.:yay:

First, the bad.

Michael Bay. Ever since they've been developing Superman he has been Warners dream director of the project but he turned it down every time in 2004. But, since he has had an enormous flop in the Island, and the studios waiting to see how Tranformersdoes this summer. Warners is in love with this director's film making style, which combines modern looks with classic "American patriotism" which they see perfect for Superman. Also, I am sure his endless special effects filled "money shots" play a part in that. However, Pearl Habor, The Island, and the Bad Boys sequels were worse recieved than Superman Returns. I would be surprised if he is still their favorite, though he's certainly beting talked about, again.

Now, the good.

Gore Verbinski. The director of the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy clearly know's how to handle action, comedy, romance, and drama as he's proven with these three mega smash hits. Unlike a Michael Bay or Peter Jackson or Bryan Singer, Verbinski is not expensive, know's how to handle inexpirienced actors, and knows how to manage money correctly. Like Bay, his shedule is free and could begin working immeadietly if need be, which makes him one of Warner's favorites if their relationship with Singer doesn't work out. His pirates writing team was also one of the group's being eyed to pen the sequel.:yay:

That's the latest.

In my opinion, Warner's will do something to Singer. They'll either flat out ask him what he is making first and than make a decision, or they'll ignore him completely and go on with the project.

Either way, expect Routh and Bosworth to be back. Warners plan was for this to be their Spider-man, and their still intent on trying to make the franchise that.

At least now you are putting your claims out on the table, we'll have to see how this pans out but I am watching you.

[jrd550]

My one hope is that WB doesn't all of a sudden feel that Marvel is doing a better job and wishes to mimmick them with their choice of directors and writers...

[Road Warrior]

Already debunked by Supermanhomepage.com http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=3269

I'll believe Variety any day over superman home page!

There seems to be a lot of confusion over this,i'll wait till WB actually makes a statement one way or another.

Agreed.

[DeepThroatWB]

Unless they do a prequel.

There won't be a prequel.

I should probably clarify though, that the sequel technically is still Bryan Singers to lose. If he were to call Warners tomorrow and say he was doing the sequel first, it would be a Bryan Singer film. It is just that it him making a smaller film first is looking more and more like to be the case.

Prepare yourselves for a long summer.:cwink:

[FlawlessVictory]

Like Bay, his shedule is free and could begin working immeadietly if need be

I'm pretty sure Transformers was planned as a trilogy, so how would that make Bay available?

[Showtime]

Well its just a movie, its not like we're going to die or anything if we dont get our way. Me for instance, I want a supervillain with a knock down drag out fight. I also would like to see the suit a tad brighter red, but if I didnt get the stuff that I wanted, I would be disappointed, but it wouldnt be the end of the world....about your sig, i'm flattered.:yay:

I agree. I told you awhile back that I wanted to see a sequel, whether Singer was attached or not, I can't be in control if it. I doubt he will be replaced, but if he does, I wouldn't be suprised. It happens.

You are the first poster ever quoted in my sig, I don't know what that really means. :cwink:

[Matt]

You're not seriously buying that?

Untill he actually gives relevant information pointing to something directly I don't buy that he knows anything. He is being about as vague as "vague history" itself. Not to say I am dismissing him as a poster or anything, or calling him a liar, but I have seen this many times. The poster you are refering to gave concrete details and was right at every turn. I could take a 50-50 shot and say Singer is going or staying as well, obviously if he was going they would be looking for a new director and screenwriters right? :cwink:

I don't know if I am or not. Like I said, its interesting. But it is inevitable that people are going to jump down his throat.

[Showtime]

There won't be a prequel.

I should probably clarify though, that the sequel technically is still Bryan Singers to lose. If he were to call Warners tomorrow and say he was doing the sequel first, it would be a Bryan Singer film. It is just that it him making a smaller film first is looking more and more like to be the case.

Prepare yourselves for a long summer.:cwink:

I know it doesn't really matter to you personally, and it shouldn't because it isn't personal, but I still am doubting your claims. You still seem like you are backtracking.

[Maze]

Well, I don't see the harm in telling you guys.:yay:

First, the bad.

Michael Bay. Ever since they've been developing Superman he has been Warners dream director of the project but he turned it down every time in 2004. But, since he has had an enormous flop in the Island, and the studios waiting to see how Tranformersdoes this summer. Warners is in love with this director's film making style, which combines modern looks with classic "American patriotism" which they see perfect for Superman. Also, I am sure his endless special effects filled "money shots" play a part in that. However, Pearl Habor, The Island, and the Bad Boys sequels were worse recieved than Superman Returns. I would be surprised if he is still their favorite, though he's certainly beting talked about, again.

Now, the good.

Gore Verbinski. The director of the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy clearly know's how to handle action, comedy, romance, and drama as he's proven with these three mega smash hits. Unlike a Michael Bay or Peter Jackson or Bryan Singer, Verbinski is not expensive, know's how to handle inexpirienced actors, and knows how to manage money correctly. Like Bay, his shedule is free and could begin working immeadietly if need be, which makes him one of Warner's favorites if their relationship with Singer doesn't work out. His pirates writing team was also one of the group's being eyed to pen the sequel.:yay:

That's the latest.

In my opinion, Warner's will do something to Singer. They'll either flat out ask him what he is making first and than make a decision, or they'll ignore him completely and go on with the project.

Either way, expect Routh and Bosworth to be back. Warners plan was for this to be their Spider-man, and their still intent on trying to make the franchise that.


very interesting , i can understand the reasonning there ( even if personnaly i like a lot Singer ..and i liked the first pirate not really the second..and Bay althought his movies can be really fun imo are cheesy yep ) ..that said, i heard a lot too that they wanted Bay at the time..and that they are trying to get him for jla too ..any words on that maybe? :yay:

[Matt]

Gore Verbinski. The director of the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy clearly know's how to handle action, comedy, romance, and drama as he's proven with these three mega smash hits. Unlike a Michael Bay or Peter Jackson or Bryan Singer, Verbinski is not expensive, know's how to handle inexpirienced actors, and knows how to manage money correctly. Like Bay, his shedule is free and could begin working immeadietly if need be, which makes him one of Warner's favorites if their relationship with Singer doesn't work out. His pirates writing team was also one of the group's being eyed to pen the sequel.:yay:


That would be my wet dream.

[echostation]

deep throat, Bryan said that the movie he'd be making would have more action than any other DC comics book film to date... how could WB then be disappointed with where he's taking the film:

[Matt]

I know it doesn't really matter to you personally, and it shouldn't because it isn't personal, but I still am doubting your claims. You still seem like you are backtracking.

Yeah, I do agree to an extent. The "Singer's to lose" claim just sort of seems like a way so that no matter what happens you can claim you are right.

Not saying you're wrong just yet...just saying....well, I'm just saying. :cwink:

[Showtime]

I don't know if I am or not. Like I said, its interesting. But it is inevitable that people are going to jump down his throat.

No doubt about that, we will probably need some strictly Superman MODS in here soon. Whatever happens from here on in, it's going to get a little loopy.

[blueboy]

They have yet to finalize their decision, but there are atleast *two* director's being looked at right now and several screen writers. I won't reveal the director's yet cause one would be a welcome surprise, and the other would be horrible, though I doubt he'd accept anyways.

But the main problem's with Superman were a huge lack of action while enormous over spending. The original budget was of 184 million went overboard by 50 million due to Singer, and frankly Warner's wanted to know where it went. They were *saved* by endorsement deals and tax refunds, which made the total cost around 209 million. This is the final word on the budget, that I know of.

Both director's are highly skilled with action and special effects and have proven to be hit maker's at the box office. One makes great movies, while, in my opinion, the other's are merely crowd pleasers at best. I am sure some of you know who I am refering to as this man was in negotions for it before Singer's hire in 2004.

I will say if the problem's not fixed soon, there's no way this is a summer 2009 release, and Warner's has to know this, though I also do not think they would rule out a holiday release for the film in that year, because there will be no Harry Potter then.

Brett Ratner? McG? Anyone have any guesses? Too lazy to search :)

[Showtime]

Yeah, I do agree to an extent. The "Singer's to lose" claim just sort of seems like a way so that no matter what happens you can claim you are right.

Not saying you're wrong just yet...just saying....well, I'm just saying. :cwink:

Are you covering your tracks to Matt? :cwink:

He could be 100% right, or just making up stories to screw with people on the board. He also could be another poster who has come back to screw with everybody, I am sure somebody is checking him out right now. :dry:

[jj9126]

Well, I don't see the harm in telling you guys.:yay:

First, the bad.

Michael Bay. Ever since they've been developing Superman he has been Warners dream director of the project but he turned it down every time in 2004. But, since he has had an enormous flop in the Island, and the studios waiting to see how Tranformersdoes this summer. Warners is in love with this director's film making style, which combines modern looks with classic "American patriotism" which they see perfect for Superman. Also, I am sure his endless special effects filled "money shots" play a part in that. However, Pearl Habor, The Island, and the Bad Boys sequels were worse recieved than Superman Returns. I would be surprised if he is still their favorite, though he's certainly beting talked about, again.

Now, the good.

Gore Verbinski. The director of the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy clearly know's how to handle action, comedy, romance, and drama as he's proven with these three mega smash hits. Unlike a Michael Bay or Peter Jackson or Bryan Singer, Verbinski is not expensive, know's how to handle inexpirienced actors, and knows how to manage money correctly. Like Bay, his shedule is free and could begin working immeadietly if need be, which makes him one of Warner's favorites if their relationship with Singer doesn't work out. His pirates writing team was also one of the group's being eyed to pen the sequel.:yay:

That's the latest.

In my opinion, Warner's will do something to Singer. They'll either flat out ask him what he is making first and than make a decision, or they'll ignore him completely and go on with the project.

Either way, expect Routh and Bosworth to be back. Warners plan was for this to be their Spider-man, and their still intent on trying to make the franchise that.


Yes, it would clearly make sense for two directors (who have few, if any connections to the studio) who are directing two of the likely big earners of the year (Transformers and POTC 3) to take a step back and direct a sequel to a modestly grossing, marginally-liked semi-blockbucker on shoe-string budget.

:whatever:

[bgshw44]

Deep Throat, thanks for the info.

I was wondering if 2009 as a release is a top priority. Also, have you heard anything about a special edition release of the entire cut of the movie.

[Matt]

deep throat, Bryan said that the movie he'd be making would have more action than any other DC comics book film to date... how could WB then be disappointed with where he's taking the film:

To be perfectly fair, Singer said the same thing about X-Men 2 and we had all of three action scenes in it.

[AssMan]

We will probably need some strictly Superman MODS in here soon

Indeed with all of the news & rumors starting to pop up it might be time for some control

[Matt]

Are you covering your tracks to Matt? :cwink:


Hehe maybe :oldrazz:

[Matt]

Indeed with all of these news & rumors starting to pop up it might be time for some control

I nominate Showtime :up: He has been the only consistent voice of reason in these forums for the past two years while everyone else (myself included) have been biting heads off.

[Maze]

To be perfectly fair, Singer said the same thing about X-Men 2 and we had all of three action scenes in it.
Singer said that X2 would have more action than all the dc movie combined? :woot: jK

the thing is personnaly i thought that they were just enough action ,and a nice balance with drama but that's me ;)

[AssMan]

Bryan said that the movie he'd be making would have more action than any other DC comics book film to date

Bryan has said alot of **** echo he is also one of the last people I would believe after a flat out lie or two he told during the Superman Returns Production when he should have simply said things like "no comment" or I can not say anything at this time instead of flat out lies.

[Maze]

I nominate Showtime :up: He has been the only consistent voice of reason in these forums for the past two years while everyone else (myself included) have been biting heads off.

I second that :up:

[Matt]

Singer said that X2 would have more action than all the dc movie combined? :woot: jK

the thing is personnaly i thought that they were just enough action ,and a nice balance with drama but that's me ;)

X2 had a good balance...but none the less, Bryan Singer has yet to prove himself as an action director and has sung this song before.

[blueboy]

I'd definitely take Gore.... I'm not sure about him not being expensive though, especially since pirates has been making tons...

[Catman]

First Wheldon, then Goyer, and now Singer! WB is on a killing spree! :D

[jj9126]

I'd definitely take Gore.... I'm not sure about him not being expensive though, especially since pirates has been making tons...

Total Gross of Gore Verbinski's Films: $999,103,060
Total Gross of Bryan Singer's Films: $604,535,364

Yet another reason that the WB insider is full of crap. Not doubting that there is drama between WB and Singer right now, but this guy knows as much about it as any of us do.

[Showtime]

First Wheldon, then Goyer, and now Singer! WB is on a killing spree! :D

I have to admit it is suspicious on that account. They want to go more lighthearted, Whendon, Goyer, and Singer are definately more gritty and realistic. I think they might want to reserve that for Batman, on that front it makes sense if he was passed on. I still don't believe that will happen, but your point is valid.

[Maze]

X2 had a good balance...but none the less, Bryan Singer has yet to prove himself as an action director and has sung this song before.

Well the thing it seem to me that Singer is not and never be imo an action director , in the sense that it is not what he seems to prefers and its movies reflect that.

now imo when he is decided to do action he is becoming better and better.

[Lightning Strykez!]

X2 had a good balance...but none the less, Bryan Singer has yet to prove himself as an action director and has sung this song before.

You took the words right off my fricking keyboard.

Bryan Singer is not an action director...he doesn't excel in that department. Not to say he is not competent with directing action--he is--but one look at X1, X2 and now SR--and it's clear to me that he plays it "safe" consistently.

*reflects on current avatar "of the moment"*

Ya know, Brett Ratner may have turned in a subpar X-Men 3 story...but he certainly didn't fail in the action department. This is the kind of stuff Superman needs to see.

[Matt]

First Wheldon, then Goyer, and now Singer! WB is on a killing spree! :D

Really, Whedon got fired? When did that happen?

[Hunter Rider]

I knew this topic would be hot:woot:good to see level headed debate in there though guys:cwink:

[Eros]

So singar prefers story progression as oppsessed to random action scenes,interesting.

[Showtime]

You took the words right off my fricking keyboard.

Bryan Singer is not an action director...he doesn't excel in that department. Not to say he is not competent with directing it--but one look at the X1, X2 and now SR--and it's clear to me that he plays it "safe" consistently.

I would have to agree with that, based on the comicbook movies he has done. "Playing it safe" is a good phrase to to use. It's almost as if he has a line that he doesn't want to cross. Although the movies you highlight were still quite enjoyable for me.

[Showtime]

Really, Whedon got fired? When did that happen?

Over a month ago. You didn't know?

Man you have to chat with me more often for screenwriting news.

[Hunter Rider]

You took the words right off my fricking keyboard.

Bryan Singer is not an action director...he doesn't excel in that department. Not to say he is not competent with directing it--but one look at the X1, X2 and now SR--and it's clear to me that he plays it "safe" consistently.

I think it's b/c action doesn't interest him,he is probably the subtlest director working,no one ever says out what they feel it's all look and gesture,what is unsaid conveys his message,im really looking forward to what he will do with this WW2 thriller but i don't honestly believe spectacle and action sequences are something he cares much for,he isn't like Cameron,Spielberg,Rodriguez etc who are like giddy schoolboys when it comes to designing action.

[jj9126]

Really, Whedon got fired? When did that happen?

According to Deep Throat (WB insider), they're talking to Orson Wells about directing. He's way cheaper.

[Showtime]

I knew this topic would be hot:woot:good to see level headed debate in there though guys:cwink:

They new that you and Strikez would be hovering at your listening posts.

[Matt]

Well the thing it seem to me that Singer is not and never be imo an action director , in the sense that it is not what he seems to prefers and its movies reflect that.

now imo when he is decided to do action he is becoming better and better.

I don't think so. Look at his track record:

X-1...speaks for itself.

X-2...outside of the opening sequence, nothing was spectacular. Especially after seeing X-3...say what you want about Ratner, the action was first class. We saw two things we should've seen in the first two X-men movies. First, the X-Men fighting as a team. Second, a full scale mutant battle. Not just Wolverine fighting a villian.

Superman Returns had the mind blowing action of Superman lifting heavy things.

Singer just can't do action.

[Showtime]

I think it's b/c action doesn't interest him,he is probably the subtlest director working,no one ever says out what they feel it's all look and gesture,what is unsaid conveys his message,im really looking forward to what he will do with this WW2 thriller but i don't honestly believe spectacle and action sequences are something he cares much for,he isn't like Cameron,Spielberg,Rodriguez etc who are like giddy schoolboys when it comes to designing action.

Agreed. That's what I like so much about SR, but I don't want to bring that subtlety up again and get flamed. :cwink:

[I_Hate_U_All]

How dare you. You forget the amazing bullet into the eye thingy, Matt.

[Matt]

According to Deep Throat (WB insider), they're talking to Orson Wells about directing. He's way cheaper.

Doesn't Orson Wells have the slight set back of being dead? :huh:

[Showtime]

Singer just can't do action.

I am not sure if he can't but I just think his style doesn't adhere to action like Ratner delivers. I wasn't a big fan of the story for X3, but man was I entertained. Good popcorn flick, but with some plotholes I could drive my Buick through.

I think this would be a challenge for Singer, the Returns sequel, a challenge I would think he might embrace with open arms. Stay tuned.

[Eros]

I don't think so. Look at his track record:

X-1...speaks for itself.

X-2...outside of the opening sequence, nothing was spectacular. Especially after seeing X-3...say what you want about Ratner, the action was first class. We saw two things we should've seen in the first two X-men movies. First, the X-Men fighting as a team. Second, a full scale mutant battle. Not just Wolverine fighting a villian.

Superman Returns had the mind blowing action of Superman lifting heavy things.

Singer just can't do action.


X-3 sucked, so your saying you want mind blowing action and a terrible script?

[Showtime]

Doesn't Orson Wells have the slight set back of being dead? :huh:

They are going to bring him back using the magic of computers and alien technology.

[jj9126]

Doesn't Orson Wells have the slight set back of being dead? :huh:

Yes, but he's no less realistic than Deep Throat's other "scoops". Maybe WB could get him to do a Citizen Kane sequel starring Brandon Routh as well...

[Matt]

I think it's b/c action doesn't interest him,he is probably the subtlest director working,no one ever says out what they feel it's all look and gesture,what is unsaid conveys his message,im really looking forward to what he will do with this WW2 thriller but i don't honestly believe spectacle and action sequences are something he cares much for,he isn't like Cameron,Spielberg,Rodriguez etc who are like giddy schoolboys when it comes to designing action.

But see, I think that is what makes Cameron, Spielberg, and Rodriguez great directors. They include the same quality of character development and plot development as Singer (Hell, Spielberg and Cameron are better) but they know how to include action to help convey the points Singer tries to make. Action is an important part of film making, especially in this genre...and in that respect, Singer is really only half of a director. I'd actually like to see Singer team up with someone with Ratner's eye for action.

[FlawlessVictory]

How dare you. You forget the amazing bullet into the eye thingy, Matt.

And Superman catching Lex's boot when Lex was kicking him on NK! :cmad:

[jj9126]

They are going to bring him back using the magic of computers and alien technology.

Exactly, the cast won't even notice that the soulless computer generated program giving them direction isn't Singer.

[Matt]

X-3 sucked, so your saying you want mind blowing action and a terrible script?

X-3 didn't suck. Not by a long shot. Poseidon sucked. X-3 was an entertaining action movie. It worked as a final chapter to the story as well. It wasn't great. But it didn't suck. And I'd like to see a balance. X-3's action with X-2's story.

[Matt]

I am not sure if he can't but I just think his style doesn't adhere to action like Ratner delivers. I wasn't a big fan of the story for X3, but man was I entertained. Good popcorn flick, but with some plotholes I could drive my Buick through.

I think this would be a challenge for Singer, the Returns sequel, a challenge I would think he might embrace with open arms. Stay tuned.

The way I see it is, Singer already had his chance to turn up the action and embrace that challenge with X-2. He failed. I'm not big on second chances. :cwink:

[DeepThroatWB]

This is my Superman fanside talking.

"Singer can't do action"

Were you paying attention during that little scene in which Superman stops an airplane from crashing?

I'm not going to be able to post here all the time, but I understand if people don't believe me. Showtime did not believe me when I said Bryan Singer was semi in the dog house at Warner's. When I said the film is Singers to lose, it's because it's true. Verbinski, Bay, or anybody else are names being mentioned or perhaps talked to in the case that Singer's not back, which at this point is seemingly pretty likely. So that is all for a bit.

[Eros]

why are some people so upset about Lex and his corneis beating on superman, without his powers, movie supes is just a skinny white boy, and plus their was kryptonite.

[I_Hate_U_All]

X-3 sucked, so your saying you want mind blowing action and a terrible script?

worked for the star wars prequels.

I'd think ol' matt's just saying he'd like to see some good superman action rather than Super heavy weight lifting. I agree that if you've seen superman lift something heavy once, it ought not to be repeated a bunch of times in the same flick.

[Matt]

Yes, but he's no less realistic than Deep Throat's other "scoops". Maybe WB could get him to do a Citizen Kane sequel starring Brandon Routh as well...

:whatever: Actually, at the moment Deepthroats scoops are fairly realistic. Whether they are true or not, I don't know. But considering the timing, they have some validity and your comparrison is hardly accurate. Now had he said this two weeks ago, you'd have a point...but as it is...

[dark_b]

singer doesnt like action? to bad that he is making movies about an action character.

[Matt]

This is my Superman fanside talking.

"Singer can't do action"

Were you paying attention during that little scene in which Superman stops an airplane from crashing?

I'm not going to be able to post here all the time, but I understand if people don't believe me. Showtime did not believe me when I said Bryan Singer was semi in the dog house at Warner's. When I said the film is Singers to lose, it's because it's true. Verbinski, Bay, or anybody else are names being mentioned or perhaps talked to in the case that Singer's not back, which at this point is seemingly pretty likely. So that is all for a bit.

Superman lifted something heavy and guided it to the ground. Not exactly mind blowing action in my eyes.

[Matt]

singer doesnt like action? to bad that he is making movies about an action character.

Exactly. Subtle film making is all fine and good, but it has a place...and the comic book genre isn't exactly it.

[Eros]

X-3 didn't suck. Not by a long shot. Poseidon sucked. X-3 was an entertaining action movie. It worked as a final chapter to the story as well. It wasn't great. But it didn't suck. And I'd like to see a balance. X-3's action with X-2's story.

X-3 had numerous plot holes, some badly directed scenes, and unneccassary action scenes, oh and lets not forget and the muiltiple dumb endings. I garnatee you if you ask anyone on X boards, they will tell you the same thing. Your right it didn'tcompletly suck, but singar would of put out a better product that that mess of a movie.

[I_Hate_U_All]

And Superman catching Lex's boot when Lex was kicking him on NK! :cmad:

Bah, The piano chucking was the highlight for me. That kid has quite an arm on him... :oldrazz:

[Hunter Rider]

Agreed. That's what I like so much about SR, but I don't want to bring that subtlety up again and get flamed. :cwink:

Well it's an acquired taste best suited to small character pieces IMO

But see, I think that is what makes Cameron, Spielberg, and Rodriguez great directors. They include the same quality of character development and plot development as Singer (Hell, Spielberg and Cameron are better) but they know how to include action to help convey the points Singer tries to make. Action is an important part of film making, especially in this genre...and in that respect, Singer is really only half of a director. I'd actually like to see Singer team up with someone with Ratner's eye for action.

While i don't like Ratner's X3 as you seem to i fully agree with the rest,i think Singer is a good character director,i think the human aspect interests him but these movies thrive on comprising both the character and action ala the Spidey films IMO

This is my Superman fanside talking.

"Singer can't do action"

Were you paying attention during that little scene in which Superman stops an airplane from crashing?



It was a great sequence i agree,but it was one in a nearly 2 and a half hour movie,the others IMO were scattered with a some nice images but no real adrenaline pumping action

[dark_b]

Exactly. Subtle film making is all fine and good, but it has a place...and the comic book genre isn't exactly it.we willl see what he does in hte sequel.
i also think that he doesnt like action. yes i said it i think he doesnt like action.
the problem comes when you are making an action mvoie. because thats what comic book movies are.

i said it 100 times and i will say it again. if singer just likes thoe superman stories than he should make "band of brothers" type superman movies. it would have a small budget but he would not need it since he doesnt like those big action scenes. he would have lets say 5 movie to tell hes big storye.
that would work. but dont come me after 20 years with a 200 milion budget movie wiht one of hte fastest and strongest superhero of all time without a fight.
neo/smith is imo a superman fight.

[jj9126]

:whatever: Actually, at the moment Deepthroats scoops are fairly realistic. Whether they are true or not, I don't know. But considering the timing, they have some validity and your comparrison is hardly accurate. Now had he said this two weeks ago, you'd have a point...but as it is...

Again, two directors (both of which are more successful than Singer) are going to come aboard to direct a moderately-grossing, moderately-liked sequel to Superman. Never mind the fact that both men have films opening this year that will likely be in the Top Grossers of 2007.

How is that realistic?

[Excel]

*fomas at da mouth at thought of bay or verbinksi*

ive been thinking this for a while; and thats that if we even get a physical villain with singer, how do we know itll be good?

HIs "fist" fights in the xmen movies sucked. He doesnt really..."think big" with his movies, which is probably why superman returns was all downhill after the saving of the plane. Bay and VERBINSKI think big. If wb got either of them with Routh as Superman, my hype would sky rocket.

p.s anybody looking for the perfect mix of drama n action, look to my superman sequel thread!

[Lightning Strykez!]

They new that you and Strikez would be hovering at your listening posts.

Heh. Damn skippy! :cmad::up:

lol

[Excel]

Again, two directors (both of which are more successful than Singer) are going to come aboard to direct a moderately-grossing, moderately-liked sequel to Superman. Never mind the fact that both men have films opening this year that will likely be in the Top Grossers of 2007.

How is that realistic?

what? How do you know the sequel will be morderatly grossing or morderatly liked?

MONEY makes people do just about anything, aside from the potential superman films have as movies and at the box office is second to just about nothing.

[jj9126]

what? How do you know the sequel will be morderatly grossing or morderatly liked?

MONEY makes people do just about anything, aside from the potential superman films have as movies and at the box office is second to just about nothing.

I'm referring to the first film. You somehow think that there's more money to be made in directing a lower-budget Superman sequel than other opportunities? Do you think Verbinski or Bay are hurting for work?