Visualizing A Superman Reboot: Pictures Welcome

[WhatsHisFace]

Hello.

I don't think the mass audience wants a Superman movie too close to the comic books. I think they want something like Superman Returns but with more action and less children.

I also think they want Richard out of the picture, and maybe a bit more acting from Routh.

What do you think?

[Dan33977]

yup, pretty much agreed...

[Octoberist]

Hello.

I don't think the mass audience wants a Superman movie too close to the comic books. I think they want something like Superman Returns but with more action and less children.

I also think they want Richard out of the picture, and maybe a bit more acting from Routh.

What do you think?

but what's your definition of 'too close to the comics'?

The issue is that they can't get rid of Richard or the kid for the sequel. You're stuck. I agree, more action is something they need. Actually a more better narative that's seperates itself from the old movie would help, along with a fellow by the name of Brianiac.

[antmanx68]

the mass audience wants some action for goodness sakes, some physical conflict, a FIGHT perhaps. And having it be "more like the comics" to me just means making things uh, more exciting? Like having Lex be in chage or Lexcorp and make some kryptonite powered combat drones or something cool. Give the audience a functional villain to fear/root against/be interested in. Like in Star Wars, you have Darth Vader, in Robocop you have ED-209, Terminator has the T-1000.... Routh's Superman, has NO ONE.... he has Lex Luthor, his retard girlfriend, Kal Penn and a Rugby player.

[Superfreak]

the mass audience wants some action for goodness sakes, some physical conflict, a FIGHT perhaps. And having it be "more like the comics" to me just means making things uh, more exciting? Like having Lex be in chage or Lexcorp and make some kryptonite powered combat drones or something cool. Give the audience a functional villain to fear/root against/be interested in. Like in Star Wars, you have Darth Vader, in Robocop you have ED-209, Terminator has the T-1000.... Routh's Superman, has NO ONE.... he has Lex Luthor, his retard girlfriend, Kal Penn and a Rugby player.

1)there was, and still is no point in having superman fight someone on a physical level in SR... SRII is a whole other story, so no need to complain about that point in SR (as you just did). One can pretty much garentee a super-battle in SRII.

2)*****ing about Lex not being the current comic book definition is also pointless, because it's too late for that now. Useless point number 2.

3) you're only good point in your post: a functional villain. The three that I personally would advocate for the SR sequel are Brainiac via New Krypton, Metallo via Lex, or Parasite via Lex. All three have the ability to match supes on a physical level, and mental level. Brainiac has no primary body, and can keep coming back to life. Metallo is basically a terminator powered by kryptonite, and Superman can't fight Parasite without touching him and gaining more power.



What do I want?

well, SR had all the character driven material it needed, but it totally lacked a major action sequence between Plane rescue, and the beginning of the new krypton chapter of the story. SRII needs that third sequence to be successful.

I'm pretty happy with SR regardless of its flaws. All the richard, jason and lois stuff is a little hard to get over, but depending on what direction it goes, it could rule hard (and visa versa, if they take it the wrong direction they could destroy the character of superman forever)

Really, all a SR sequel needs is to take the SR formula, and add another action major action sequence.

[C. Lee]

Hello.

I don't think the mass audience wants a Superman movie too close to the comic books. I think they want something like Superman Returns but with more action and less children.

I also think they want Richard out of the picture, and maybe a bit more acting from Routh.

What do you think?
I don't think the "mass audience" wants Richard out of the picture. I've heard more compliments on his character from "non-fans" than about any of the other people in the movie.

From the non Hype posting people I have talked to...they want more fighting/action and less of a morose Superman.

Their thoughts on the kid seem divided.

[Seen]

What does the mass audience want? Sex.

[antmanx68]

1)there was, and still is no point in having superman fight someone on a physical level in SR... SRII is a whole other story, so no need to complain about that point in SR (as you just did). One can pretty much garentee a super-battle in SRII.

2)*****ing about Lex not being the current comic book definition is also pointless, because it's too late for that now. Useless point number 2.

3) you're only good point in your post: a functional villain. The three that I personally would advocate for the SR sequel are Brainiac via New Krypton, Metallo via Lex, or Parasite via Lex. All three have the ability to match supes on a physical level, and mental level. Brainiac has no primary body, and can keep coming back to life. Metallo is basically a terminator powered by kryptonite, and Superman can't fight Parasite without touching him and gaining more power.





I was talking about what I think the mass audience wants in a Superman movie.... not what should have been crammed into Superman Returns as it is.

[WormyT]

Hello.

I don't think the mass audience wants a Superman movie too close to the comic books. I think they want something like Superman Returns but with more action and less children.

I also think they want Richard out of the picture, and maybe a bit more acting from Routh.

What do you think?
Originality.
As in, bury the donner vision and come up with something fresh, dynamic and hi octane.
Keep the same music possibly..
I honestly don't think the audience will mind if everyone from SR gets fired and a whole new director, story and cast is brought to the table.

[The Kid]

Beer.

but that aside, they want to have fun. They want to be like "oh snap!" when superman opens his shirt to reveal the S symbol, not like in SR with a mere "eh". It has to really be a thrilling, fun adventure movie this time.

[GreenKToo]

more action....

[GreenKToo]

edit....

[SuperFerret]

I don't think the mass audience really cares much about this movie anymore. It's been made, and it's not in theaters anymore, and no amount of complaining will change that.

[WhatsHisFace]

I don't think the mass audience really cares much about this movie anymore. It's been made, and it's not in theaters anymore, and no amount of complaining will change that.
The sequel not only came out, but closed? :eek:

I missed it NOOOOOO!

[SuperFerret]

Sorry, wrong forum. All these Superman threads run together. I'm just sick about people *****ing about SR still.

On topic: I stand by what I said, in an altered fashion, and I don't believe most people have given a SR sequel a second thought after seeing Returns. We fans of all things super are the minority.

[TripXyDE]

1)there was, and still is no point in having superman fight someone on a physical level in SR... SRII is a whole other story, so no need to complain about that point in SR (as you just did). One can pretty much garentee a super-battle in SRII.

2)*****ing about Lex not being the current comic book definition is also pointless, because it's too late for that now. Useless point number 2.

3) you're only good point in your post: a functional villain. The three that I personally would advocate for the SR sequel are Brainiac via New Krypton, Metallo via Lex, or Parasite via Lex. All three have the ability to match supes on a physical level, and mental level. Brainiac has no primary body, and can keep coming back to life. Metallo is basically a terminator powered by kryptonite, and Superman can't fight Parasite without touching him and gaining more power.



What do I want?

well, SR had all the character driven material it needed, but it totally lacked a major action sequence between Plane rescue, and the beginning of the new krypton chapter of the story. SRII needs that third sequence to be successful.

I'm pretty happy with SR regardless of its flaws. All the richard, jason and lois stuff is a little hard to get over, but depending on what direction it goes, it could rule hard (and visa versa, if they take it the wrong direction they could destroy the character of superman forever)

Really, all a SR sequel needs is to take the SR formula, and add another action major action sequence.

1. yes, but at least he should have SMASHED something. that big gattling gun for instance, or some rockets from luthor. Superman in SR was just doing twinkletoes here and twinkletoes there.
SR was FAIRYMAN the MOVIE!

2. that's why it was a bad idea to have the Superman movies follow the exact format of Donner's coz those movies were already a bad adaptation frm the start

3. very true, except that in order to create a truly tight scenario of Metallo thru Lex or Parasite thru Lex, Lex should be ret-conned into the billionaire Lex version

Superman needs a grand overhaul. the concept of Superman is pretty simple, especially if itz a tool to attract mass market. It shouldve been easier for Superman to gain more popularity, more respect, and more earnings than the Spider-man franchise. But the Spidey movies did great. Why? Because it was faithful to the source material. Raimi was a Spidey fan since his youth. Singer was a fan of the Donner movies. Do the Math. SR shouldve gained BILLIONS. but theyre 400 M dollars short. Sure, SR was saturated by a kind of teeny-bopper magazine aura. it was popular ESPECIALLY for the ladies. But that fame just wasnt enough.

the mass audience wudnt want another SR....just like wat d other posters summed up, A NEW APPROACH to SUPERMAN...not just the Donner approach as adapted by Singer


Originality.
As in, bury the donner vision and come up with something fresh, dynamic and hi octane.
Keep the same music possibly..
I honestly don't think the audience will mind if everyone from SR gets fired and a whole new director, story and cast is brought to the table.

[GreenKToo]

I disagree.Its pushing 200 mill dom.,and close to 400 mill W.W....To me that shows interest.If singer ratchets up the action for the sequel,I think a bigger B.O. is a given...:)Sorry, wrong forum. All these Superman threads run together. I'm just sick about people *****ing about SR still.

On topic: I stand by what I said, in an altered fashion, and I don't believe most people have given a SR sequel a second thought after seeing Returns. We fans of all things super are the minority.

[Kid_Kaos]

Like some stated it, the post-crisis works better. There's a reason "Lois & Clark" and "Smallville" are hits:
They simply show Superman as a quasi-human with superpowers. That's not like it's shown in most comics but those versions are crap anyway. Clark grew up as human and has the same emotions and looks like humans - but still Batman or other heroes ***** about him not beeing "one of them". Bollocks! He just has certain powers and a great origin added to his human side.

How to make people care about Supes again? --> The story/work between Clark and Lois should be the main focus, mixed with a lot of action sequences involving a supervillain who is somehow connected to the story C&L work on. That way, Luthor as the Pres as a subtl villain would work perfect.

Singer failed with his story, time to move on.

[Super_Child]

Hello.

I don't think the mass audience wants a Superman movie too close to the comic books. I think they want something like Superman Returns but with more action and less children.

I also think they want Richard out of the picture, and maybe a bit more acting from Routh.

What do you think?

I think you are exactly right. But what the mass audience wants is not what they always get :(

[matthooper]

On a purely primitive level, more action could have helped. But, so much was missed and a lack of action is just one of a dozen things that could have been done. To me, the kid and Richard were actually the least of it's problems.

The third act is a complete snooze fest. Imagine the possibilities of a New Krypton in the hands of an imaginative director. The Kryptonian beasts, the Kryptonian weapons. All he could come up with is a lot of Kryptonite? With a great third act, I think it could have been pretty decent.

We need a more imaginative Superman sequel.....and more action.

[SuperFerret]

I disagree.Its pushing 200 mill dom.,and close to 400 mill W.W....To me that shows interest.If singer ratchets up the action for the sequel,I think a bigger B.O. is a given...:)

Yes, interest when the movie was out and in the public eye, but as of this moment, I doubt anyone who's not usually a "Super-fan" has really given the movie a second thought.

[Apellation]

Hello.

I don't think the mass audience wants a Superman movie too close to the comic books. I think they want something like Superman Returns but with more action and less children.

I also think they want Richard out of the picture, and maybe a bit more acting from Routh.

What do you think?Wanting Richard and Jason out of the picture is completely the comic fan's idea, not the mass audience. Fans hate Richard and Jason because it is a 'change', and they completely ignore how Richard is a developed, likeable character who brings an interesting dynamic: Is Superman right to want Lois to love him instead? The same plot point in Spider-Man 2 didn't have that dynamic because John Jameson wasn't developed or likeable. The fans ignore how Jason brings an important change to Superman's character which makes his reason for saving people more human.

The mass audience however, liked Richard and Jason. People were emotionally attatched to Richard's character, and people thought Jason was cute.

I'm sure the teenage and child audience do want more action next time.

[Eros]

as long as the movies are takeing serously ,and no goofy and overly campy material are put in the general populace will like it[which superman returns had none of]. If Lex ever does come back, make him alittle more serous and have more sinister goals. Alex Ross Justice comic has very sinister silver-age verison of Lex Luthor, something like that should be used for future Lex Luthor performances. I think the mass aduience wants to feel excited about the world they see on screen, this is superman not lord of the rings.The old superman movies always had the sense of being grouded in a sense of quasi reality[as do all superhero movies now]. Metropolis in the old movies looked like a major city in the real world[in returns it was just to fantastical].
Superman and his enemies were always the only fantastical things about the world in the old donner/lester films. As Long as the movies establish the characters and situations in the new movies are takeing as serously as possible[like the old movies].

[matthooper]

The mass audience however, liked Richard and Jason. People were emotionally attatched to Richard's character, and people thought Jason was cute.

I don't think the mass audience cared. You show me where the love was. I never heard from anyone how attached they were to Richard. Emotionally attached? Are you joking? Almost no one cared about Richard. People went to see Superman and were left wanting more Superman not more Richard. I guess people thought the kid was cute, but I don't think most cared one way or another about him.


I'm sure the teenage and child audience do want more action next time.

Right, just kids want more action. Not one person I spoke to (all adults) didn't want more action.

[Maze]

Well i don't know about you but i was surprised to run on a lot of non fans who liked this movie.and even more who do not like comic book movie usually .

[Maze]

but yes speaking a lot of different people it's clear that a lot ( mostly young men) want (sadly IMO ) more action.

[matthooper]

but yes speaking a lot of different people it's clear that a lot ( mostly young men) want (sadly IMO ) more action.

I might have overlooked the lack of action if a good and imaginative story had been told.

Even when talking to people who loved the movie, not one isn't swayed into at least considering the fact that it could have been so much more.

[Maze]

I might have overlooked the lack of action if a good and imaginative story had been told.

Even when talking to people who loved the movie, not one isn't swayed into at least considering the fact that it could have been so much more.
Sorry that you feel that way about the movie .

Imo the story was great and imaginative.

Non fans that i have talked about thought the same ..

like they say to each their own :)

[BobJM]

While I can't speak on behalf of the mass audience, I can tell you what they would probably want (and I'll try to have the mindset of those who have never read the comics).

1.) I think that the biggest issue that the mass majority of audiences across the nation had with Superman Returns was the fact that there was very little action for a 2 1/2 hour film. Too much building up and character & plot progession, that the action was overpowered. And even when there was action, it tended to be a bit dull (despite the scale and CGI of it all) and generic.

2.) Too many references to the Donner films. For many teens and even younger children, they don't know a thing about the old films. They've probably seen it while they were flicking past the movie channels on their television, but a majority have not seen the actually films (1 & 2). During my first viewing, which I saw with my friend, I found myself explaining a lot to him, trying to fill him on what happened in the first and second Superman films. And my second viewing was with my dad who, despite growing up with those films, couldn't follow or comprehend the fact that Superman and Lois had a child together (the crystal, too, threw him off a bit).

3.) Better villains. Yes, audiences love Lex Luthor, but I'm pretty sure that people are ready to see some super-powered villain for Superman to duel with all throughout the city with. Whether it be Metallo, Brainiac, or Bizarro; the audience is ready. Superman II was really successful because of the addition of Zod and his crew.

There, I'm done.

[Superfreak]

1. yes, but at least he should have SMASHED something. that big gattling gun for instance, or some rockets from luthor. Superman in SR was just doing twinkletoes here and twinkletoes there.
SR was FAIRYMAN the MOVIE!

2. that's why it was a bad idea to have the Superman movies follow the exact format of Donner's coz those movies were already a bad adaptation frm the start

3. very true, except that in order to create a truly tight scenario of Metallo thru Lex or Parasite thru Lex, Lex should be ret-conned into the billionaire Lex version

Superman needs a grand overhaul. the concept of Superman is pretty simple, especially if itz a tool to attract mass market. It shouldve been easier for Superman to gain more popularity, more respect, and more earnings than the Spider-man franchise. But the Spidey movies did great. Why? Because it was faithful to the source material. Raimi was a Spidey fan since his youth. Singer was a fan of the Donner movies. Do the Math. SR shouldve gained BILLIONS. but theyre 400 M dollars short. Sure, SR was saturated by a kind of teeny-bopper magazine aura. it was popular ESPECIALLY for the ladies. But that fame just wasnt enough.

the mass audience wudnt want another SR....just like wat d other posters summed up, A NEW APPROACH to SUPERMAN...not just the Donner approach as adapted by Singer

I didn't write that second quote

[The Kid]

I want to see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQe9-BaJS9s&mode=related&search=
As much superdickery as possible!

What do you want to see?

[Gamma Ray]

I want to see some NEW material!

[The Kid]

That might be a good idea.

[X-Maniac]

Sorry that you feel that way about the movie .

Imo the story was great and imaginative.

Non fans that i have talked about thought the same ..

like they say to each their own :)

Isn't it strange how Cyclops fans prefer Singer's Superman Returns?! :spidey:

Politics anyone?:cwink:

[X-Maniac]

but yes speaking a lot of different people it's clear that a lot ( mostly young men) want (sadly IMO ) more action.

Now you are being silly.

A Superman movie without action is like a Titanic movie without a ship in it.

And SR did have action, but not the right kind. Not one person vs one person, not 'showdown' action. not even big arguments and strong words. Just lots of people staring and glancing at everything, feeling things inside. I saw people in the cinema being bored (the man next to me fell asleep, the people in front were playing games on their mobile phones), I heard people complaining after the film as we all walked out of the building.

[Maze]

Isn't it strange how Cyclops fans prefer Singer's Superman Returns?! :spidey:

Politics anyone?:cwink:
Lol and like always you continue to make assumption about people.

No you 're far from the the truth.. ;)

[Maze]

Now you are being silly.

A Superman movie without action is like a Titanic movie without a ship in it.

And SR did have action, but not the right kind. Not one person vs one person, not 'showdown' action. not even big arguments and strong words. Just lots of people staring and glancing at everything, feeling things inside. I saw people in the cinema being bored (the man next to me fell asleep, the people in front were playing games on their mobile phones), I heard people complaining after the film as we all walked out of the building.
LOL I absolutely love that!

that's why those forums are so fun .:D

you have one guy ( me ) who talks about his opinion and of course because Xmaniac tell that the truth is otherwise , well the opinion of that guy is wrong and he is silly.

yeah , yeah yeah yeah ;)

[Maze]

I saw people in the cinema being bored (the man next to me fell asleep, the people in front were playing games on their mobile phones), I heard people complaining after the film as we all walked out of the building
Yes ( honestly) i'm sure that it is the case :)

and i saw people cheering in my theater..and i saw people talk about this movie with passion , and giving indepht analysis..

Yes for them (and for me ) there is a lot of richness in this movie..

not for you , that's the way it is , to each its own :)

[X-Maniac]

Yes ( honestly) i'm sure that it is the case :)

and i saw people cheering in my theater..and i saw people talk about this movie with passion , and giving indepht analysis..

Yes for them (and for me ) there is a lot of richness in this movie..

not for you , that's the way it is , to each its own :)

Well it is indeed true that the man next to me fell asleep (on a girl's shoulder next to him!) and the couple in front were being very annoying - i could see the glow from their phones and hear them talking to each other as i was trying to watch the film.

Here in the UK, we don't cheer and scream in the cinema - people can get thrown out for doing that!

There is richness in the movie, I agree. But this kind of movie needs more than richness. It had some beautiful moments and themes...but the result obviously did not have a wide appeal. The movie is not really for children, or for action movie lovers, and not that much for the male audience. It tried too hard (like the Hulk movie in some ways, too cerebral).

And a lot of silly things like young Clark wearing glasses (why?) and Clark throwing the ball too far for his dog (why?)... things that were done for the effect, to look cool, but had no meaning and made no sense. Whereas things like the Krypton sequence, which does have meaning (it shows us how alone Superman is, that he is the last of his kind, that earth is all he has left to make a connection with other people) were left out. Some bad decisions on the editing.

[matthooper]

Sorry that you feel that way about the movie .

Imo the story was great and imaginative.

Non fans that i have talked about thought the same ..

like they say to each their own :)

I refuse to believe anyone thought that Lex's plan/New Kryptin was explored to it's full potential. Even if you liked the film. Hence, no imagination. Plus, one missle from a U.S. ship could have destroyed it. The plan had design of a 10 year old. The plan is where the movie lost me.

As far as NK goes, where was the imagination? Where was the sense of wonder? Imagine what could have been. All Singer could come up with was a big rock with kryptonite.

Back to the question. People want to be put in a world of wonder and imagination. Not something that seems concocted by a chimp.

[Maze]

I refuse to believe anyone thought that Lex's plan/New Kryptin was explored to it's full potential. Even if you liked the film. Hence, no imagination. Plus, one missle from a U.S. ship could have destroyed it. The plan had design of a 10 year old. The plan is where the movie lost me

Well ,sorry that you can't imagine for one second some people love that part of the movie too.

I will traducce (i'm French) my analysis of that part of the movie one day (and i will answer to you Xmaniac to why no those scene that you are talking about are not just there to be cool imo ;) ) it's four in the morning here.. zzzzz :D


As far as NK goes, where was the imagination? Where was the sense of wonder? Imagine what could have been. All Singer could come up with was a big rock with kryptonite.
it was there for me :)

Back to the question. People want to be put in a world of wonder and imagination. Not something that seems concocted by a chimp
No ,

Not, only you are insulting there but you try to pass your opinion for the truth.

you wan't a discussion or not?if that's the case keep an open mind and respect a different opinon..

In the meantime goood niight AmericaAAA :)

Ps: i did not like the movie .I loved it :)

[Immortalfire]

I want to see Bryan step out of Donner's shadow and do something original.

[Super Kal]

I want to see Bryan step out of Donner's shadow and do something original.
me too...

I would like to see more landing/take off shots, more flying, brighter colors, and an overall brighter world.

[DavidTyler]

I'd like to see the costume fixed and the kid plotline erased

[Venom71]

Brainiac!

[Lex Luthor]

Something a little less Donner-esque. And Zod-less.

[The Kid]

I wouldn't mind seeing LexCorp if lex is in it.

[Mentok]

Less Donner... More Routh. Some ass kicking too :up:

[TKing]

^^Yeah, definitely more ass kicking.

[Apellation]

I don't think the mass audience cared. You show me where the love was. I never heard from anyone how attached they were to Richard. Emotionally attached? Are you joking? Almost no one cared about Richard. People went to see Superman and were left wanting more Superman not more Richard. I guess people thought the kid was cute, but I don't think most cared one way or another about him.Just because you didn't care doesn't mean no-one else did. You can't honestly say no-one was scared for Richard & Jason when they were trapped in the ship. I could cut the fear in the theater with a knife.

[matthooper]

Just because you didn't care doesn't mean no-one else did. You can't honestly say no-one was scared for Richard & Jason when they were trapped in the ship. I could cut the fear in the theater with a knife.

That's one scene. Of course no one wanted to see them drown. I thought we were talking about the characters in general. I just don't think people fell in love with Richard as you said. You didn't mention that scene in your earlier post. You simply mentioned an emotional attachment with Richard. I certainly agree that in that one scene, people felt for them.

But, how many people out of 100 would care if Richard came back for a sequel?

[Kid_Kaos]

Some suggestions:

1) Lois and Clark working together on a case, investigating some guys, maybe bring in Morgan Edge (as Lex's ally, while he's in prison).

2) A (Super)Villain with some brain. Guess who that could be? ... ;)

3) A well thought out story that not only makes sense but builds up a climax for the end.

4) Bring in some other DC characters - like Shazam or GL (OK, just dreaming here ...)

[Immortalfire]

4) Bring in some other DC characters - like Shazam or GL (OK, just dreaming here ...) I want Lantern to have his own movie.

[WhatsHisFace]

I do believe most people want at least one big fight with major destruction and major bashing.

[Binker]

I think the movje was fine. Its just that WB threw in more money than what it needed. Plus, I think the main flaw is that it reintroduced the things that people, who don't read the comics, already knew about thanks to Smallville.

And the backstory, what was kept and what wasn't from the first two films, was confusing for many.

[BareKnucklez]

I think the movje was fine. Its just that WB threw in more money than what it needed. Plus, I think the main flaw is that it reintroduced the things that people, who don't read the comics, already knew about thanks to Smallville.

And the backstory, what was kept and what wasn't from the first two films, was confusing for many.

Also the fact that the plot was terrible, the acting wasn't that good, and there wasn't anything new or original about the movie is why it failed to reach the target audiance.

[Apellation]

Also the fact that the plot was terrible, the acting wasn't that good, and there wasn't anything new or original about the movie is why it failed to reach the target audiance.If those things you said were true, then SR would not have made nearly as much as it had. SR underperformed, not bombed, and most movies as terrible as you are painting SR to be make considerably less than SR made.

[ultimatefan]

If I knew, I´d produce movies and be a kagillionaire...

[matrix_ghost]

To be honest , the mass audience could care less about a faithful to the comics superman.

All they want to a quality flick for their money which includes :
1 Good solid action scenes which haven't been done and/or are better then the previous movie in a related genre...in this case Spiderman 2 and Matrix Revolutions

2 Good acting without it being too complicated or forced.

3 A movie that doesn't have pacing problems and basically keeps them entertained

That's it really.

[The Kid]

hmm maybe

I just think the audience wants something they've never seen before or own on dvd already.

[matrix_ghost]

Precisely.
I mean especially with blockbusters , each movie is tryint to be better then hte previous one in terms of action ..and story and acting .


Supes while great on the realism of NK , the plane rescue and the saving of metropolis , doesn't give you anything original.

I mean take Spidey 2 for example. Here you have 1) spiderman fighting Doc Ock and 2) having to save a subway from crashing .
Heck they're doing for or less the same thing for spidey 3
You have 1) spidey stopping a bankrobbery 2) while fighting sandman 3) and also participating in a car chase.
Even tough it has similar things , it's combines them for something new.

Did Sr have that ? No. Plane Resuce -> better version of the helicopter rescue.
Supes lifting NK in space -> countless shots of superman lifting heavy stuff,
Supes saving the city -> how many times has he not done that in the earlier movies .

I mean we are going back to the same old disucssed topic which is superman fighting a supervillain.
But again , it's important for the makers to go back to the comics because
1) you can choose a solid villain
2) you know what the villain can do in terms of action and destruction
3) you get a free backstory as opposed to creating a entirely new villain
4) finally you get do finally do something new because the action of a superman fighting a superhero villain in in many ways greater and more epic then the spiderman movies so far.

[TripXyDE]

Precisely.
I mean especially with blockbusters , each movie is tryint to be better then hte previous one in terms of action ..and story and acting .


Supes while great on the realism of NK , the plane rescue and the saving of metropolis , doesn't give you anything original.

I mean take Spidey 2 for example. Here you have 1) spiderman fighting Doc Ock and 2) having to save a subway from crashing .
Heck they're doing for or less the same thing for spidey 3
You have 1) spidey stopping a bankrobbery 2) while fighting sandman 3) and also participating in a car chase.
Even tough it has similar things , it's combines them for something new.

Did Sr have that ? No. Plane Resuce -> better version of the helicopter rescue.
Supes lifting NK in space -> countless shots of superman lifting heavy stuff,
Supes saving the city -> how many times has he not done that in the earlier movies .

I mean we are going back to the same old disucssed topic which is superman fighting a supervillain.
But again , it's important for the makers to go back to the comics because
1) you can choose a solid villain
2) you know what the villain can do in terms of action and destruction
3) you get a free backstory as opposed to creating a entirely new villain
4) finally you get do finally do something new because the action of a superman fighting a superhero villain in in many ways greater and more epic then the spiderman movies so far.

yeah.....

PLUS, if they REALLY wanted to have a Luthor that DOES overwhelm Superman's might with his wits, he shouldve been like Jigsaw in the SAW movies....put superman in situations where supes would feel that his might would be useless in solving the solution

In SR, Luthor expected Supes to be dumb enough to go headlong into a kryptonite island without ever analyzing the situation

[matrix_ghost]

That's what i really disliked about SR.
I mean for me at least , if i were Horn , i'd really be critical about the ideas and script delivered by Singer , HArris and that other dude.
But at the same time . not reject the script but improve on it. Bring on some other (comic) writers and see follow the same line presented in SR but build on exisiting things.

For example :
The scene where Lex gives his prometheus speech. Imagine lex giving that speech to a big crowd as a politician

The scene where he talks about Mind Over Muscle. Needs to be explored more.

~sigh~. Wasted Oppurtunities :csad:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Something I've noticed from various places including this own forum.

1. The sequel must include Brainiac or fans are gonna be pissed.
2. Fans want a physical villain for Superman to fight. Everyone and their mother is screaming for Metallo to make it on screen and see Supes throw some punches.

What else do you believe fans have made clear they want in the sequel?

Thing is, if Singer gives the majority what they/we want, there is no way the sequel will fail. "Superman: Man of Steel" btw is the preferred title by most fans, just a note incase Singer gets wind of this ;)

[TrailerCues]

What else do you believe fans have made clear they want in the sequel?

NO ZOD

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I think fans also made it clear they wanted a deeper look into how he became Superman.

Also there is a huge interest in knowing what Krypton once was.

The only thing I can think of is maybe really old flashbacks, which have a younger Jor-el allowing someone other than Brando to play him so it won't tread on what's been done.

[The Kid]

I want complete dissasociation with the donner franchise. The past is the past, its time to move the heck on already.

Batman's doing it. Supes deserves it even more.

NO ZOD

Even though hes awesome and I loved the little munchkin. No jason. We don't need that **** yet.

Comics > Donner, as far as which makes the greatest influence on supes. It MUST be this way.

NO MORE WIGS. I NEVER had a problem with lex wearing wigs in STM until I saw how lame it was that he threw one at a little girl in Returns. Let's just not have that... none of that land grab crap either.

Kakarot said it and I agree, up the brightness. Up up and away. Its superman!!!!! He's not batman.

One more request. Please do the shirt rip well for this one. Spidey should NEVER have better shirt rips than supes. It's just wrong.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Hmm that's a good point about the brightness. Fans have made it clear they want it a bit more vibrant. I do think it sort of fit the story in a way though.

[The Incredible Hulk]

No Zod....and No Singer

[\S/JcDc\S/]

No Zod....and No Singer

:rolleyes:
Ok you don't want Zod...

Superman Returns is considered a good film so why no Singer?

[DorkyFresh]

i'll speak for buggs...


...FIX THE SUIT!!! hehe

[Super Kal]

NO ZOD



Seconded.

i'll speak for buggs...


...FIX THE SUIT!!! hehe
I agree... not much, but do fix it.

[y2jversion1]

NO Zod - Brainiac's ok, Brainiac + Metallo would be awesome
NO Jason (yeah, it's hard to avoid now...but still)
NO Rehash of any Donner films
NO "Hackmanized" Lex - lets get him like in the JLA - Political & Scientific genius
NO "pussification": meaning less of a 'chick flick' and more of an actual Superhero flick.

so far...

[Smegger56]

NO Zod - Brainiac's ok, Brainiac + Metallo would be awesome
NO Jason (yeah, it's hard to avoid now...but still)
NO Rehash of any Donner films
NO "Hackmanized" Lex - lets get him like in the JLA - Political & Scientific genius
NO "pussification": meaning less of a 'chick flick' and more of an actual Superhero flick.

so far...

'Reffering to the red text':

Do you like Spiderman 1 and 2??? Because, hell, they where essentially, poor, chick flicks... with hints of action.

[Thot]

FIX the suit.
BRIGHTEN up the film.
RECAST Lois.
BEEF UP Brandon.
GIVE us an original, exciting, action-packed adventure.
GIVE us an opponent worthy of Superman.
DITCH the horrible kid.
FIRE Singer.
BEG Donner to return!

[y2jversion1]

'Reffering to the red text':

Do you like Spiderman 1 and 2??? Because, hell, they where essentially, poor, chick flicks... with hints of action.

Not really - I've watched them both once and thought they were ok, nothing great.

I'm more of a DC guy anyways.

[matthooper]

:rolleyes:


Superman Returns is considered a good film so why no Singer?

Do you know what an opinion is? It might be considered a good film to some but certainly not all. I wasn't aware that everyone in the world who saw it considered it a good film. Because that is the only way that statement is valid.

Guess what, I happen to think it was a boring, dissapointing piece of crap. But at least I know that not everyone thinks the way I do.

[Smegger56]

Not really - I've watched them both once and thought they were ok, nothing great.

I'm more of a DC guy anyways.

lol.

I'm more of a Marvel guy and I believe that Dc have the 3 best hero films out... Superman (1978), Batman Begins (2005) and Superman Returns (2006)

[DorkyFresh]

this is all i ask...

new writers, Singer beef up the action scenes (i KNOW he can do it, just look at Nightcrawler's intro), and let Routh act more. i could care less if the suit is changed or if Routh beefs up or if Jason is still an important role. i just want a movie that revolves 90% around Superman...not his surroundings.

[y2jversion1]

lol.

I'm more of a Marvel guy and I believe that Dc have the 3 best hero films out... Superman (1978), Batman Begins (2005) and Superman Returns (2006)

I can totally agree with you on Superman '78 and Batman Begins.
I was really hyped for SR, but unfortunately for me it was a big let-down.

Here's to hoping for a better sequel/installment though :supes:

[TrailerCues]

I think that we are stuck with Jason wether we like it or not. But now that Singer has had his way there is really NO EXCUSE this time to make this movie be more action friendly & more comic fan friendly no excuse this time. There is still plenty of room in these Movies to introduce stuff like Lex Corp for examble

[y2jversion1]

There is 1 possible way to 'evade' Jason - make a prequel film.
So this would be before Jason was born I guess.

One of the major gripes I had with this movie was that bloody kid. I don't care if he's cute and folks were gushing over him - I thought it was just too early to complicate Superman by giving him a kid right off the bat after a 20 year big-screen hiatus. I was a bit pissed when I found out that he was Superman's kid..hell, we get a Superman film after 20 yrs and boom, comes with baggage.. I want SUPERMAN not Superman & Son.

[Venom71]

Brainiac!

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Do you know what an opinion is? It might be considered a good film to some but certainly not all. I wasn't aware that everyone in the world who saw it considered it a good film. Because that is the only way that statement is valid.

Guess what, I happen to think it was a boring, dissapointing piece of crap. But at least I know that not everyone thinks the way I do.

If the majority considered it a bad film I would say that. Check rottentomatoes overall reviews. Just a general statement based on the majority. Sheesh chill. Even if Incredible Hulk thinks it is a good film he'd never admit it anyway :o

[matthooper]

If the majority considered it a bad film I would say that. Check rottentomatoes overall reviews. Just a general statement based on the majority. Sheesh chill. Even if Incredible Hulk thinks it is a good film he'd never admit it anyway :o

I think the majority think it was dissapointing. That is usually the word I hear from people. That is more what I meant, not that the majority thought it was bad. However, it certainly seems like at least half on this board thought it was bad.

[X-Maniac]

I want complete dissasociation with the donner franchise. The past is the past, its time to move the heck on already.

Batman's doing it. Supes deserves it even more.

NO ZOD

Even though hes awesome and I loved the little munchkin. No jason. We don't need that **** yet.

Comics > Donner, as far as which makes the greatest influence on supes. It MUST be this way.

NO MORE WIGS. I NEVER had a problem with lex wearing wigs in STM until I saw how lame it was that he threw one at a little girl in Returns. Let's just not have that... none of that land grab crap either.

Kakarot said it and I agree, up the brightness. Up up and away. Its superman!!!!! He's not batman.

One more request. Please do the shirt rip well for this one. Spidey should NEVER have better shirt rips than supes. It's just wrong.

Sounds pretty good to me.

As for no more gloomy tone, YES! For those that do buy the DVD (I probably won't - i'd rather a better recut with the Krypton sequence in it). I can imagine viewers across the world reaching for the brightness and colour controls on their television.

[WhatsHisFace]

Give me a good story and have Klaus Badelt do the score.

[The Kid]

Oh and uh let me add one more to my list:

Better DVD covers for next time please.

[Super Kal]

Sounds pretty good to me.

As for no more gloomy tone, YES! For those that do buy the DVD (I probably won't - i'd rather a better recut with the Krypton sequence in it). I can imagine viewers across the world reaching for the brightness and colour controls on their television.
I will be...

[ChickenScratch]

I would love to see better writing and characterization. A lot of the characters came off as disingenuous at times and it pulls you out of the story.

I would love to see more of those trademark feats of strength.

[super-t]

i to want more landing and take offs, and someone who supes can whoop on, and a lil more futuristic metropolis.

[Kabuki_Jo]

I will be...

I won't.:)

That's more money to buy the 24 - Season 5 DVD Boxset

[Jochimus]

By this point I'd take:

* A Superman villain who HASN'T been on the big screen, hence more super-brawling.
* Something done to make Jason acceptable that does NOT involve killing him off in any way, shape or form.
* More elements of the comic mythos thrown in (Lex using the remaining Vanderworth fortune to buy off any connection to New Krypton and form Lexcorp, STAR Labs, the SCU, etc.).
* Assuming he HAS to be in future movies, shove Lex behind the puppet-master curtain and keep him there as long as possible.
* Mercy Graves. :woot:
* Storyarcs born out of elements from previous classic Superman storyarcs.
* Paul Dini as Creative Consultant.

[Superman Prime]

I want to see Bryan step out of Donner's shadow and do something original.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Danger Mouse]

I don't want a sequel. I want a restart.

[Jul-el]

I believe the origin story has been done to it's best,unlike Batman(till Bale)
so we should move forward.

I think gaps from the past could still be filled in.The suit? still hasn't been explained.I read that Singer was going to show it's origins being of Krypton technology etc.I liked that idea as I always hated that Ma Kent made it.

Also flashbacks of Clark at 5 or 12 could be cool.First flight?
That sort of stuff.

But yeah,Singer is going to have to dig deep to get himself out of this one...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well i liked SR so i would like a lot of stuff to stay, main things i would want are a villian who's is a physical threat to Superman, prefferably Brainiac, more action, no kryptonite and an even crueler and more diabiolical Lex. And hopefully a bit more about Krypton.

[Mentok]

Singer finished off the Donner trology with SR and now I want him to make HIS Superman.

More action.

A serious physical threat/fight for Superman to deal with.

NO ZOD!

Probably use the fact that New Krypton is now in orbit around the earth to play on... Maybe link NK with the badguy for the film.

More SUPERMAN classic moments... Something the last film was lacking... Stuff like the shirt rip etc...

Its an ADVENTURE FILM! Lighten the mood a little... Dont bog it down in being too serious and dramatic. If you keep the film relatively light then the moments when you need the dramatic shift, it works alot more in your favour.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

One thing i'd like to see towards the end of the movie, after being defeated by a foe in a couple of fights already is Superman get really pissed off and totally cut loose on said foe (Brainiac?)

[darthbakpao]

No Singer

No Jason

No Sequel, Start over again!

Better structured story that ends in high note.... the reason why SR wasn't much a satisfying experience for some viewers was because it didn't end in high note. Audience was waiting for something 'big' to happen toward the end of the movie only to found out Superman 'fights' a rock, passed out and ended up in a hospital, after that he went and talked to his son and flew to the outer space... THE END. What kind of a 'build up' was that?

[SatEL]

I don't want a sequel. I want a restart.

Amen to that the kid mistake is unacceptable i say start all over.

[darthbakpao]

why wanting more actions in a movie about a superpowered hero always associated with teenagers/ kids? This is a movie about SUPERman, and there should be more ACTIONS.... some people associated actions as 'mindless brawl bla bla bla...', i say they just don't have enough imagination.

Adding drama element is good, but i don't want to see a family drama Superman movie, i want to see a balance mix of drama and action....if i want drama, i'll watch Kramer VS Kramer instead

[SatEL]

One more request. Please do the shirt rip well for this one. Spidey should NEVER have better shirt rips than supes. It's just wrong.

I 100% agree i was so pissed i even went in the spidey forums to complain and well you can all imagine how they all took it:cwink:

[SatEL]

No Zod....and No Singer


Agreed no singer in fact i would prefer a restart, I dont even believe i used to spout that crap "in singer we trust"

[dpm07]

I would prefer a restart with a different director.

At the very least, I would prefer to have the Jason plotline erased, and the character of Jason gone.

I would prefer a film that has a strong story with a complement of action in the form of Superman going head to head with a villain who can challenge him ala Brainiac, Darkseid, Mongul, Parasite, etc.

[Mentok]

Im torn. I would like to see where they go with that plot but I would also like to see them just drop it alltogether.

[DogofKrypton]

Oh and uh let me add one more to my list:

Better DVD covers for next time please.

I just have to chime in and say, your avatar is H-I-L-A-R-I-O-U-S.

First, it's that kid.

Second, it's a PIANO flying out into outer space.

Then, the coup de grace: An EXPLOSION results from 2 objects crashing together with NO combustible agents attributed to either!

It crack me up every time I see it.

[halfapple]

Routh should seriously consider hiring either Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cuttler for help to build up more for this second movie.

Or at least find a hardcore trainer and not just a Hollywood buff out to make a buck.

Seriously, "Brandon" you should start now and dont wait till the last minute to just display the kind of build that was given in Returns.

I'm sure you worked very hard and I know that kind of pain that it takes to get a body in elite condition.

The build was ok......(no offense)but really was not the Superman Icon type of build.

It was a "Swimmers build" Icon in SR that we saw.

Go underground, get Anabolic and add more protien to your diet Routh.

No I am not saying steriods - but there are other natural ways to get it on fast.

That is if you start now - and dont slack till they start to write the script.

I listened to a few interviews of you saying that you ate alot of carrot sticks between takes, which is good for your skin,complexsion and eyesight - it does not help you completely to stay anabolic (retain your muscle growth).

Heard you also say that your diet mainly consisted of Vegetables only.

With an occasional chicken breast here and there.

You know.....I was hopeing to see a quality article from you on the cover of MF or even MD about your diet for the movie, and what you did to build up for it and just about you being Superman in this movie.

There was nothing - absolutly nothing to help inspire some of the young people out there on a quality Superman type of Diet and nutrition.

Would have been Awesome to see you on the cover of Muscle and Fitness speaking about it - for real man!

Would have been something to read about, someting inspiring from the Man of Steel himself about what he did to prepare and maintain for the role as Superman.

Nutrition wise, mentaly and physically.

Give us Superman.

[halfapple]

Routh : more acting and more lines

Superman the Icon version

NO more Superman getting beat up please, or ending up in a hospital bed.

[Caliber]

Heres a suggestion: Don't go off the Donner films and do something different like the modern day supes. And Kill Lex if he just wants to get land, make land, steal land. If your going to make him suck then just kill him. Don't use General Zod. Use Darkseid instead.

[Caliber]

I want to see some NEW material!

That would be great to see, I want to see Jason die or Lex grow some balls and actually be a villain.

[buggs0268]

A Superman who is bigger than this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/buggs0268/supeslifesupport.jpg

God damn that is skinnny. Hey Hey for the muscle suit I guess. Damn Warner Brother's. Stop doing survey's with women to see which body type is sexy. Superman isn't a swimmer. He is bigger. Not arnold big but big. Trash the under muscle suit, don't make him sign a contract that he can't get any bigger than a certain size that some stupid survey amonst women who don't know what Superman is supposed to look like, and let the man get big like Reeve was allowed to do and be Superman:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/buggs0268/mountain_stance.jpg

It ain't rocket science.

[Superman4ever!]

:rolleyes:
Ok you don't want Zod...

Superman Returns is considered a good film so why no Singer?it was a good film to u jackass? in what neck of the world are u from? sorry singer's a moron, he needs to get the boot

[Superman4ever!]

Agreed no singer in fact i would prefer a restart, I dont even believe i used to spout that crap "in singer we trust"lol i cant believe im starting to want a restart as well, singer is an ******* and has royally screwed this franchise and put it into a corner

[Superman4ever!]

No Singer

No Jason

No Sequel, Start over again!

Better structured story that ends in high note.... the reason why SR wasn't much a satisfying experience for some viewers was because it didn't end in high note. Audience was waiting for something 'big' to happen toward the end of the movie only to found out Superman 'fights' a rock, passed out and ended up in a hospital, after that he went and talked to his son and flew to the outer space... THE END. What kind of a 'build up' was that?Exactly complete Garbage

[Superman4ever!]

One thing i'd like to see towards the end of the movie, after being defeated by a foe in a couple of fights already is Superman get really pissed off and totally cut loose on said foe (Brainiac?)thats one thing i would love to see as well, but without singer directing it, because that jackass is encapable of directing a compelling engrossing action scenes! sorry But MC'G directing would have been more satisifying, at least we would have seen awesome action, and knock down drag out fightS!!

[Venom71]

it was a good film to u jackass? in what neck of the world are u from? sorry singer's a moron, he needs to get the boot
That make you feel better calling him a name because his opinion is different then yours? And as you told Jc it was a good film to him..well it was a bad film to you...not everyone thinks it is a bad film. I sure don't. :super:

[Superman4ever!]

That make you feel better calling him a name because his opinion is different then yours? And as you told Jc it was a good film to him..well it was a bad film to you...not everyone thinks it is a bad film. I sure don't. :super:the MAJORITY think its Bad film thats why its flopped and hasnt hit 200 mil yet! NEXT!:o

[Venom71]

the MAJORITY think its Bad film thats why its flopped and hasnt hit 200 mil yet! NEXT!:o
Umm yeah..still no reason to call someone a name because their opinion is different then yours. And BTW..I still think it was a good movie that is my OPINION...don't really care what the MAJORITY thinks.

[420KIDD]

No Zod,no Luthor,no Shiiiitttty Costume And Make Routh Workout,kid Needs To Bulk Up.

[SatEL]

That make you feel better calling him a name because his opinion is different then yours? And as you told Jc it was a good film to him..well it was a bad film to you...not everyone thinks it is a bad film. I sure don't. :super:

I dont think anything he said was uncalled for that guys chatting a load of sh.. , considered a good film by who:huh:

[Zor-El]

the MAJORITY think its Bad film thats why its flopped and hasnt hit 200 mil yet! NEXT!:o
a lot of people think it was a decent film. and 197 mil is not a flop. Nice try. NEXT! :o

[Zor-El]

No Singer

No Jason

No Sequel, Start over again!

Better structured story that ends in high note.... the reason why SR wasn't much a satisfying experience for some viewers was because it didn't end in high note. Audience was waiting for something 'big' to happen toward the end of the movie only to found out Superman 'fights' a rock, passed out and ended up in a hospital, after that he went and talked to his son and flew to the outer space... THE END. What kind of a 'build up' was that?
I disagree with you about singer, jason, and a sequel. I think Singer and a sequel are essential. I could have done without Jason in SR, as everyone could have i think... but he's a part of it now and I for one would like to see where it's headed and give singer another chance to prove he's added something worthwhile to the Superman mythos (which is why I'd prefer not to see a new director on the SR sequel) BUT I do agree with you about the story. I didnt have much of a problem with the action, but i would like to see Superman fight someONE in the sequel. And also I agree with you about the end. Tom Mankiewicz said on the S:TM special edition DVD something like "you come away with such a reservoir of good will for the character that you come back to see it again" The problem with SR is that it ends on a content note, not a happy one and (emotionally) it pretty much just breaks even, so heres hoping for the sequel! I still have faith...

[The Sage]

No demands, but just things I hope to see or not see:

No Zod.

Push Lex even further into the contradicting, arrogant, xenophobe that he is. "Gods are selfish beings..." was a good tease. Let's have more exploration into the inner thinking of Lex Luthor.

Superman attempting to teach wisdom.

Superman being happier now that he's found someone who's like him and his connection to humanity.

Brainiac would be nice.

A brighter color pallette or more daytime shots.

[Venom71]

No demands, but just things I hope to see or not see:

No Zod.

Push Lex even further into the contradicting, arrogant, xenophobe that he is. "Gods are selfish beings..." was a good tease. Let's have more exploration into the inner thinking of Lex Luthor.

Superman attempting to teach wisdom.

Superman being happier now that he's found someone who's like him and his connection to humanity.

Brainiac would be nice.

A brighter color pallette or more daytime shots.

I agree with all of the above :word:

[blake]

Superman and Jason team up as Nightwing & Firebird and go have adventures in Kandor.

[buggs0268]

Someone else step in and fix this mess that Bryan and the wack pack made for themselves.

[The Question]

Superman VS The Parasite. That fight would be freaking epic.

[CGHulk]

Singer said something to Brett Ratner, something like, don't listen to the fans/message boards because they'll ruin your creativity. If he's paying attention now, I'd be surprised. He's the grand all powerrful film genius is he not? ;) :p

[CConn]

No demands, but just things I hope to see or not see:

No Zod.

Push Lex even further into the contradicting, arrogant, xenophobe that he is. "Gods are selfish beings..." was a good tease. Let's have more exploration into the inner thinking of Lex Luthor.

Superman attempting to teach wisdom.

Superman being happier now that he's found someone who's like him and his connection to humanity.

Brainiac would be nice.

A brighter color pallette or more daytime shots.I'll third that. :up:

[KaptainKrypton]

I don't really have many demands for the next installment. I don't mind if they use Braniac or if they use Zod, as either villain is fine with me. I just want to be pleased with the end result. Also, I do feel the relationship between Superman and his son needs to be expanded upon. Finally, I think the terms of Lois and Superman's relationship (or lack thereof) needs to be solidified so he can move on.

[dark_b]

i have one demand. dont throw your money away singer.build only sets that you will 100% use in the movie. and film only scenes that you knwo that will be in the movie. and dont make make updated CGI if you will not notice it.

this is throwing away money.
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Film/Superman%20Returns/Trailers/Teaser_1_HD/Teaser1HD_005.jpg
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Film/Superman%20Returns/PromoImages/UHQ/SRPromoUHQ_005.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/808/scanfilms05if5hy3kh0.jpg

[ultimatefan]

Just one request:

- Keep trying to make the best movie you can. If you try to please all fanboys, it will drive you insane. Not even Sam Raimi and Chris Nolan achieved that miracle...

[Kabuki_Jo]

Just one request:

- Keep trying to make the best movie you can. If you try to please all fanboys, it will drive you insane. Not even Sam Raimi and Chris Nolan achieved that miracle...

What happens is his best isn't even enough for non-fanboys, man.
The large number of ppl I've talked to that are not fanboys and think this SR is a piece of crap is significant.

[The Sage]

i have one demand. dont throw your money away singer.build only sets that you will 100% use in the movie. and film only scenes that you knwo that will be in the movie. and dont make make updated CGI if you will not notice it.

this is throwing away money.
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Film/Superman%20Returns/Trailers/Teaser_1_HD/Teaser1HD_005.jpg
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Film/Superman%20Returns/PromoImages/UHQ/SRPromoUHQ_005.jpg


This is solid gold. The Krypton scenes are throwaway money though, unless we see them soon...

[DavidTyler]

After talking to a few people who liked 'Returns' I think I can honestly say that what they liked were the action sequences. I've heard more comments about things like the plane rescue and the 'bullet to the eye' scenes than the story.

More often than not, I have to specifically ask the people about the story and they usually smile and say something akin to 'well, what did you expect? It's a comic book movie?'

That is not the response we want from the general public. Not after a lot of non-comics readers have told me how good they thought 'Begins' was.

So, Singer - either go or do these fixes:

1) Fix the friggin costume. You've stirred up such a division in fandom that I want to call you George Bush, the 'uniter not a divider'! Make the costume out of modern materials like you did but ditch the buckle, enlarge the emblem (not billboard size but at least fill Brandon's chest more), brighten the red, and loosen that collar.

2) The kid has to go. I'll forgive Supes one more spin around the Earth if that's what it takes to erase Jason. We don't need this complication or Lois being married to James Marsten's character.

3) You're trying to bridge the gap between modern Corporate Shark Lex and Hackman's? Don't. Just get him up to Corporate Shark level and pretend the Hackman version never happened.

4) No more visitations by Brando. You've already tainted the mix by bringing in Donner's Jor-el but let's let it drop there.

5) You can have the crystals from Krypton but if you ever go back there in a flashback, put some plant life and fields on that world. No humanoid life can evolve on a world of crystal.

6) Fix Clark's look. I don't want to revisit Chris's Clark anymore than I want Gene Hackman's 'Luthor'. Make Clark a quiet 'everyman' and not a nerd.

7) Please drop the 1940's version of Jimmy that has been perpetuated by these films but nowhere else. Jimmy needs to be a 20 something set in today's world. Let him dress in today's styles and do things appropriate to people his age. Let's see him with an iPod stuck in his ear fooling around on the computer. Take a long hard look at 'Superman: The animated series for your model. The BOW TIE is dead.

8) Someone tell Frank Langella that he's not playing a soft, sensitive character. Perry is a loud, gruff, cigar-chomping bear of a man. Let's see him presented that way.

9) Differently than everyone else here, I didn't mind Bosworth's 'Lois'. Just give her some more meat in her role. Let the writers study the comix to get the 'Real' Lois. IN FACT .....

10) ....Get some REAL comix writers on board for the next film. Preferably someone like Roger Stern or Denny O'Neal. People who've actually written good Superman stories.

I think I've covered everything but I'll be back if I think of more.

[GreenKToo]

I can see his point somewhat,but when you get this many diehard superman fans togeather, some very good ideas come out...shame he doesnt take advantage of it..Singer said something to Brett Ratner, something like, don't listen to the fans/message boards because they'll ruin your creativity. If he's paying attention now, I'd be surprised. He's the grand all powerrful film genius is he not? ;) :p

[Apellation]

Singer said something to Brett Ratner, something like, don't listen to the fans/message boards because they'll ruin your creativity. If he's paying attention now, I'd be surprised. He's the grand all powerrful film genius is he not? ;) :pSinger is right for saying don't listen to the fans.

Fans have no idea on how to make a movie. All they care about is getting the details right.

A Superman movie made by the fans would be just another generic origin story that brings nothing new to the table. Lex Luthors involvement would be him constantly talking about how untouchable he is thanks to Lexcorp, with no real plan or motivation other than him running a corporation, because apparently thats all you need to make a good villain. Superman would never successfully save or stop anything because the post-crisis fans want a more relatable Superman. The actress cast as Lois would have nothing for her but big breasts. Mike O'Hearn would be cast as Superman. The suit would look completely ridiculous on the actor because all they cared about was how faithful it was to the comics and not how good it looked on the actor. It would be the most boring movie ever with no humour, because humour is campy and the Donner movies were campy and that can not happen! Metallo and Braniac will be shoe-horned in to have Superman fight them for no real reason.

It'd be a big mess.

[Mentok]

This is solid gold. The Krypton scenes are throwaway money though, unless we see them soon...

Singer said he plans on using the unseen Krypton footage in the next film. Thats why it didnt make it to the DVDs.

[The Sage]

It'd be cool to see Jimmy with an ipod. :up:

[ultimatefan]

What happens is his best isn't even enough for non-fanboys, man.
The large number of ppl I've talked to that are not fanboys and think this SR is a piece of crap is significant.
The number of fanboy or non-fanboy people who think any given movie is a piece of crap is significant.

[Andy C.]

Singer is right for saying don't listen to the fans.

Fans have no idea on how to make a movie. All they care about is getting the details right.

A Superman movie made by the fans would be just another generic origin story that brings nothing new to the table. Lex Luthors involvement would be him constantly talking about how untouchable he is thanks to Lexcorp, with no real plan or motivation other than him running a corporation, because apparently thats all you need to make a good villain. Superman would never successfully save or stop anything because the post-crisis fans want a more relatable Superman. The actress cast as Lois would have nothing for her but big breasts. Mike O'Hearn would be cast as Superman. The suit would look completely ridiculous on the actor because all they cared about was how faithful it was to the comics and not how good it looked on the actor. It would be the most boring movie ever with no humour, because humour is campy and the Donner movies were campy and that can not happen! Metallo and Braniac will be shoe-horned in to have Superman fight them for no real reason.

It'd be a big mess.


THANK YOU. I can't tell you how many fan-rants and fan-scripts I've read that were total garbage, but get salivated over simply because they filled out the average "wish-list" that the Singer bashers make.

As one of the minority of Supes-fans on this forum who actually liked SR (not saying it was perfect, but I was satisfied), I can't say I have too many complaints. In all honesty, I'd rather see a villain who hasn't already been done, and I'd like to see Superman have more dialogue, but other than that I think the franchise is in good hands.

[thorstone]

Something I've noticed from various places including this own forum.

1. The sequel must include Brainiac or fans are gonna be pissed.
2. Fans want a physical villain for Superman to fight. Everyone and their mother is screaming for Metallo to make it on screen and see Supes throw some punches.

What else do you believe fans have made clear they want in the sequel?

Thing is, if Singer gives the majority what they/we want, there is no way the sequel will fail. "Superman: Man of Steel" btw is the preferred title by most fans, just a note incase Singer gets wind of this ;)

1. Brainiac would be the same movie we've seen half a dozen times now with Luthor.
2. I agree, Superman requires a supervillain worthy of his intervention-- someone like Darkseid.

Singer will most likely go with Zod and noone will be happy.

"A Superman movie made by the fans would be just another generic origin story that brings nothing new to the table."

I want to see the death of Superman.

[Superman4ever!]

Just one request:

- Keep trying to make the best movie you can. If you try to please all fanboys, it will drive you insane. Not even Sam Raimi and Chris Nolan achieved that miracle...in my opinion Raimi & nolan please the majority of fans, More then Singer has ever done!! X1 was okay x2 was Garbage! and Sr was a Blasphemous Disgrace!! SINGER GET THE HELL OUT! Youve had too many Chances and Phucked them all UP!! why is anyone still hiring your Tediously Boring ass? go back to Directing films like apt Pupil!:o

[Superman4ever!]

1. Brainiac would be the same movie we've seen half a dozen times now with Luthor.
2. I agree, Superman requires a supervillain worthy of his intervention-- someone like Darkseid.

Singer will most likely go with Zod and noone will be happy.

"A Superman movie made by the fans would be just another generic origin story that brings nothing new to the table."

I want to see the death of Superman.Darkseid is an Awesome Villan for supes as well, but he should either come after brainiac, or be teamed with Brainiac, like that Awesome Episode of Justice Leauge when Brainiac And Darkside teamed up to take over the world!! Now that would be a movie Worth Phucking plopping Down Ten Bucks FOR!!

[darthbakpao]

I disagree with you about singer, jason, and a sequel. I think Singer and a sequel are essential. I could have done without Jason in SR, as everyone could have i think... but he's a part of it now and I for one would like to see where it's headed and give singer another chance to prove he's added something worthwhile to the Superman mythos (which is why I'd prefer not to see a new director on the SR sequel) BUT I do agree with you about the story. I didnt have much of a problem with the action, but i would like to see Superman fight someONE in the sequel. And also I agree with you about the end. Tom Mankiewicz said on the S:TM special edition DVD something like "you come away with such a reservoir of good will for the character that you come back to see it again" The problem with SR is that it ends on a content note, not a happy one and (emotionally) it pretty much just breaks even, so heres hoping for the sequel! I still have faith...

as much as i'd like to see a re-start, i think it would confuse a lot of people by doing so (re-start). But the whole "Superman with a son" was already a collateral damage (in my opinion). Even WB acknowledged that and might ask Singer to tone down the kid's plot (Jar Jar Binks treatment in SW prequels).

By the end of the day, i think Singer would either choose to compromise and will be back for the sequel with less creative control or he opt to walk away/ fired because of the pressure

Regarding the ending, i think is is 'normal' to expect some 'big action sequences' because Superman is supposed to be an action superhero movie... adding drama is good and would humanize the character and relate them to us, what would be perfect is a balanced mix of action and drama

[matrix_ghost]

Singer said he plans on using the unseen Krypton footage in the next film. Thats why it didnt make it to the DVDs.


Que :huh: ?

What the hell ? When did he say that ?

NOw this is actually interesting. New Krypton in Space.
Remnants of Krypton in space. What's the connection

[I Am The Knight]

Yeah I was gonna ask about that Krypton footage being in the sequel. Anyone has a link to that info?

[CGHulk]

Singer said he'd release the Return to Krypton scene back into SR in another release, possibly in IMAX 3D.

[Mentok]

Que :huh: ?

What the hell ? When did he say that ?



He said it a number of times after the film came out.

[Mentok]

Yeah I was gonna ask about that Krypton footage being in the sequel. Anyone has a link to that info?

It was at the comic con appearance shortly after the film came out. I will have a look for it.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^It was said in this months Total Film that he may use the return to krypton sequence in the sequel.

[Bad Superman]

^It was said in this months Total Film that he may use the return to krypton sequence in the sequel.

Sounds like a forced flash back to me. Editing was one of SR problems.

[I Am The Knight]

All right, as long as we actually get to see it at some point, it's fine by me....Although I would have preferred to see it integrated to an extended cut of Returns.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Who knows, it may be the opening of the movie and that leads to the sequel's villain? I think that would be cool, or it could be a nightmare Superman has about his return?

[Superman45]

Singer is right for saying don't listen to the fans.

Fans have no idea on how to make a movie. All they care about is getting the details right.

A Superman movie made by the fans would be just another generic origin story that brings nothing new to the table. Lex Luthors involvement would be him constantly talking about how untouchable he is thanks to Lexcorp, with no real plan or motivation other than him running a corporation, because apparently thats all you need to make a good villain. Superman would never successfully save or stop anything because the post-crisis fans want a more relatable Superman. The actress cast as Lois would have nothing for her but big breasts. Mike O'Hearn would be cast as Superman. The suit would look completely ridiculous on the actor because all they cared about was how faithful it was to the comics and not how good it looked on the actor. It would be the most boring movie ever with no humour, because humour is campy and the Donner movies were campy and that can not happen! Metallo and Braniac will be shoe-horned in to have Superman fight them for no real reason.

It'd be a big mess.
You hit it straight on the head. I'v learned that as long as you stay true to the comic most fans are happy. But the movie also has to be good for people who don't like Supes or know nothing about him.

[matrix_ghost]

^It was said in this months Total Film that he may use the return to krypton sequence in the sequel.

Hmmm....well ít's been a while since i've read TotalFilm or for that matter quotes from Singer post SR.
But i still think it's a big waste for the Krypton scenes to be removed.

[Super Kal]

^It was said in this months Total Film that he may use the return to krypton sequence in the sequel.
I'll believe than when I see it...

[superbaby]

useless...

[Matt]

I think fans also made it clear they wanted a deeper look into how he became Superman.

Also there is a huge interest in knowing what Krypton once was.


Funny how everyone is saying this now, but when Singer said no origin, everyone said how stupid it would be to do that stuff.

[The Sage]

Hey I would've preferred an origin montage as opposed to a full origin movie.

[phoenix_force]

Guess what superman fans! WB are ditching superman and doing a lois lane movie instead gaspomg superman did so bad that they are going to ddo a lois lane movie instead of superman sequel gasp
According to Britain's Sky News, their may be a Lois Lane spin-off film in the works which would star Kate Bosworth.

"Lois will be back bigger and better in the next movie, and with more of her own storyline", said Bosworth.


The article continues on to suggest that their are plans to give Lois Lane her own investigation spin off. The film would be based on the comic series that also featured Lois as the main character.


In the comic, Lois would often battle with criminals in various investigation, defeating them with her quick wits and the Kryptonian martial art of Klurkor, taught to her in the bottle-city of Kandor
source:http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Movies&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=270338&obj_id=52209

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Funny how everyone is saying this now, but when Singer said no origin, everyone said how stupid it would be to do that stuff.

Not everyone. Even some SR supporters wanted origin elements *cough*

I would have loved a new origin movie but still like the returns idea so what would have been ideal is to of had SR address some of the history of Krypton with a younger Jor-el and just touch on Clark growing up, maybe even before highschool err something.

[Weadazoid]

NO ZOD



agreed but just for that Singer will probubly make him the number 1 and only super Villain for a sequal

[dar-El]

No sequel to returns, just a total restart without singer. Preferably made by someone who understands the character, has read the last 20 years of books and not spent his time worshipping an old tv show and a classic film. Also no kid cos he's a pontless character who served no purpose, a new suit and a Superman who doesnt leave for no reason or act like a lonely wimp!

[harlandarlin]

FIX the suit.
BRIGHTEN up the film.
RECAST Lois.
BEEF UP Brandon.
GIVE us an original, exciting, action-packed adventure.
GIVE us an opponent worthy of Superman.
DITCH the horrible kid.
FIRE Singer.
BEG Donner to return!


I wholeheartedly agree. now I didn't hate superman returns i thought it was good. not as good as Superman 1 and 2 though. But if the above changes were used it would improve the film tenfold.

[rduce]

I really would hope that any subsequent film brings back the moral core which has always been Superman. I did not like the dark, creepy, stalker Superman…

A stronger story with more action would be nice as well.

[Super78]

I want complete dissasociation with the donner franchise. The past is the past, its time to move the heck on already.

Batman's doing it. Supes deserves it even more.

NO ZOD

Even though hes awesome and I loved the little munchkin. No jason. We don't need that **** yet.

Comics > Donner, as far as which makes the greatest influence on supes. It MUST be this way.

NO MORE WIGS. I NEVER had a problem with lex wearing wigs in STM until I saw how lame it was that he threw one at a little girl in Returns. Let's just not have that... none of that land grab crap either.

Kakarot said it and I agree, up the brightness. Up up and away. Its superman!!!!! He's not batman.

One more request. Please do the shirt rip well for this one. Spidey should NEVER have better shirt rips than supes. It's just wrong.

Singer should open the sequel with Lois in bed -- she wakes up and hears the shower running, opens the shower door and look who's there!!

Its Superman!!! Taking a shower!

No Jason, No Richard, Luthor is still in jail, and Supes never left!

It was ALL A DREAM! :woot:

[antonydelfini]

This is what i want changed for the sequel:
1. The donner tribute was great and nostalgic, but i think people have had enough. People want to see a new but faithful take on the character. Taking old donner ideas for the film makes the movie feel old and dated.
2. Channel the comics more, bring in some art and story elements from the comic books. The ones that got pissed off the most were the comic book fan boys. They are the ones who faithfully drool over superman every month, that is why they deserve to be the number one priority for the film makers.
3. Make the film not longer than 2 H and 15 M this time around. It could improve the box office numbers while eliminating the "dragging" and "slow" critique of the film.
4.Change the costume. Widen the neck area, make the red brighter, put the S on the back, eliminate the S on the belt, etc. I like the 3d S emblem though. This change could indicate that the movie makers are listening to the fans for this film.
5. The kid should be eliminated in some way without making it look like they just want to get the kid out of the way. The elimination of the kid should be executed smoothly and spontaneously. They could either kill him or find a way to take away his powers.
6. A physical villain. We've heard of Brainiac, Metallo, Darkseid, and Doomsday. People want to see Supes cut loose with his power, and he can only do that if he has a superpowered villain. Personally, I'd like to see him fight doomsday because he's so popular. And though people think doomsday is a boring character, i think he could work in the cinema.males are going to line up in theatres hearing the superman vs. doomsday fight in the sequel.

What i want to stay:
1. I like the fact that it was not the typical summer popcorn movie i was expecting. Singer did some serious film making that i havent seen in a superhero film before, which I believe is what made it popular among critics.
2. I like the seriousness and amount of respect they gave the character. They never made superman look and act silly. The scale was epic, and it made the film look bigger and serious than the spidey or xmen films.

[The Overlord]

I would like to see Superman get really pissed off in the sequel. Brainiac tries to blast Jason and Lois, but Richard jumps in the path of the laser saving their lives at the cost of his own. superman then goes all out on Brainiac, charging him at super speed, hitting him with punches that create shock waves, etc.

[darthbakpao]

Instead of going all "Wrath of Khan", i'd like to see a "Kramer VS Kramer" take on the sequel. I want an Oscar worthy quality drama movie with solid acting from Brandon and Co. I want to see the whole audience cry and comfort each other because of how tragic this Superman story has become... Way to go Bryan!

[DavidTyler]

Instead of going all "Wrath of Khan", i'd like to see a "Kramer VS Kramer" take on the sequel. I want an Oscar worthy quality drama movie with solid acting from Brandon and Co. I want to see the whole audience cry and comfort each other because of how tragic this Superman story has become... Way to go Bryan!

LOL

[KaptainKrypton]

Instead of going all "Wrath of Khan", i'd like to see a "Kramer VS Kramer" take on the sequel. I want an Oscar worthy quality drama movie with solid acting from Brandon and Co. I want to see the whole audience cry and comfort each other because of how tragic this Superman story has become... Way to go Bryan!
Even though I'm an ardent fan of SR...these ribs of yours are too damn funny not to love. Keep it up.:yay:

[buggs0268]

You hit it straight on the head. I'v learned that as long as you stay true to the comic most fans are happy. But the movie also has to be good for people who don't like Supes or know nothing about him.
Appellation was banned as he was Saph using another Alias.

[ariellem]

Okay, plenty of guys have weighed in. Here's a female POV.

I grew up in the 70s in love with the George-Reeves-as-Superman hero. Lois was smart, sassy, and had the bad but convenient habit of getting caught by the bad guys so Superman could come and get her out. That Lois and Clark were mature, self-confident, and good friends. Jimmy was younger but also a friend. Back in the 70s or 80s, I'd read the early comics in compilation form - my folks used to have a book that had reprinted all of the early ones - and this traditional look was always my ideal. Still is, to the point that "Clark" is still my first choice for a boy's name if I ever have one.

Loved it when Superman came to the big screen (I was ~8); I had a huge poster of Christopher Reeve in Superman garb plastered on the ceiling over my bed until I was ten or so. As I grew up, I thought Reeve was a bit odd-looking in some ways to be Superman - he had to bulk up an awful lot for the role - but he was fine. Margot Kidder, when not too melodramatic, was certainly intelligent enough to play Lois. Fell hard for Dean Cain with Teri Hatcher in Lois & Clark, despite initial misgivings because he looked so short and different. Got convinced anything after that would be a travesty, and haven't seen Smallville at all since it's network - but my parents watch it! I've ordered the first season on DVD & will see how that flies <pun intended>.

Okay, the actual movie under review...
I had HUGE misgivings seeing an apparently unmemorable-looking soap opera stud put into the Superman/Clark role. Then again, that was worlds better than letting skanky Nicolas Cage get anywhere near the role, so I tried to keep an open mind. The pre-production pictures had me very worried all the same - lots of posing; not much feeling. Very wooden.

Put off seeing the movie until this weekend (second-run theatre) because I was very worried I'd be disappointed. Didn't want the new movie to destroy the image of my lifelong hero. Big sigh of relief here. Routh is easily a Superman and - most importantly - a Clark you can fall for and believe in. He returns to Earth (arrival reminded me somewhat of Arnold's in the original Terminator) weak, nearly collapsing, and his mom puts him to bed. When he wakes up, we see that his eyes are brown (Routh's natural eye color). I did think this was an error, especially when it happened again later in the movie, but then I got to thinking that it would be neat to use the change in eye color (applied more consistently, and in future films) to represent his energy level/activation: have them get bluer in the movie when he recharges and/or when he uses his powers. When he's totally spent, they're brown. Would have liked more Martha-Clark dialogue.

Spacey, as expected, was fabulous as Lex. Very appropriate. I took his new hardness as the result of five years of resentment while being locked up. You'd think he'd want to toast Superman after that, though, since the latter's not showing up for the appeal is how Lex walked. Parker Posey was great as Lex's dimwit-but-sweet-for-Superman girlfriend. The other bad guys were plenty mean. I don't much care that the new "land" was absurd - it's a comic book movie. We joked that the new land still had Louisiana, but now in the middle rather than on the coast (look at the map in the movie). Scene with Lex brushing his teeth was classic. We need more like that! Need more scenes with Lex meeting Superman and/or Clark too.

Lois - well, Kate Bosworth is fine as a teenybopper or dopey love interest or whatever, but she is way too young and way too much of a lightweight (literally and in her acting) to be Lois, *especially* Lois with a five-year-old kid. She had the kid while she was in high school? She was working at the Daily Planet as part of a high school work-study program? And she was MEAN to Clark, who'd been her good buddy and reporting rival at the Planet for so long. Parker Posey would be fabulous as Lois/mom and had a lot more chemistry with Routh onscreen, so I propose that the next movie have both women return, but in the opposite role. Or put Posey in as Lois and ditch Kate Bosworth entirely - we wouldn't miss her one whit. Yes, it's similar to sticking way-too-young-and-pointless Katie Holmes into the otherwise fabulous Batman movie. Lois needs strength and power and the sense to at least think for a moment before dragging her kid to a the source of the EMP (even if she didn't know until she got there that LEX was the cause of it).

The kid: he had maybe one dopey line ("I *like* him!") and thankfully was OK otherwise. They could have gotten that so wrong, and they didn't. He has the same quiet wisdom as his dad, no? Main difference being that his powers come unconsciously until a certain point as he's growing up, and *then* he's able to start exerting control over them. The early flashbacks established this well. It was good that they cast a boyfriend for Lois who was tall and handsome, with dark hair and nice qualities, to make the love t(ri)angle work and so the kid would look like both men enough to confuse everyone. Go, Cyclops! :->

We were relieved and quite happy that the filmmakers didn't take the cliched route of having Richard be, or turn out to be, a rich jerk. It would have been so easy. Instead, he's a rich nice guy with plenty of appealing attributes. He truly loves both Lois and her son, whether or not it's his son as well. He certainly doubts that it's his son (scene in the kitchen where Richard asks about the "Night with Superman" article) but doesn't seem absolutely sure until the hospital scene. With the kid in the script, the timeline could have been better. If everyone had said early on that Superman was gone for five years, and Lois had snidely commented, "It was closer to six!" then this would explain the kid's age much better. Also, there should have been some backstory as to when/how Richard started editing for the Planet - even gossip in the background in an office scene. Much prefer the "superhuman" boyfriend so the super-jerk, but now what's to be done with him?

"Stalker" scene bothered me a LOT initially, but then I started to see it from Superman's POV: he doesn't think that way. He's been away, he missed her, she apparently didn't miss him. He's trying to find out the truth without giving himself away. He's trying to find out the truth inconspicuously. He flies there, possibly hoping she'll be moping outside as in the earlier movies. She's inside, with Richard & the kid. So he listens. Gets his heart broken yet again. How come he didn't check her heartbeat when she said "no"? Because love is blind (how ironic - with all those vision tricks he can do).

To improve things for the next movie, in short:
1) new Lois: more substantial looking (not boobs, necessarily; just someone a bit bigger and stronger), more experienced looking, a bit older, someone who can seem bitter and/or frustrated yet sympathetic - not just bitter like this one
2) MUCH MORE of Clark, Lex, Superman in vignettes!!! They look great, but we want to see them doing more than standing/flying, and we REALLY want more Clark dialogue! More Martha and Clark!
3) pay more attention within the final version of the movie to timeline and backstory
4) more texture in general: little jokes, comments from extras that feed into the movie, and so forth. There weren't enough sub-plots. Have Lex & others - or Superman - have some technical discussion about masking Kryptonite with lead or with ordinary rock
5) need more on-screen shirt rips/ducks to change costume for S->C and back
6) want to see *more* of Superman and/or Clark, a la the hospital scene ;-> Often? Please? Brandon can bulk up to where he was in this movie, or bulk up a little more - doesn't much matter. Would like to see his back too.
7) needs more humor - from everyone
8) where the heck did Clark sleep during this movie? Does he recharge THAT much as Superman to be able to just float around up in the atmosphere each Metropolis night? Doesn't anyone come across his luggage?


New ideas/setups - don't much care which villains are used, as I haven't read the more recent comics and don't want the movie to collapse into a bloodbath, so use these as a crash zone for the bad guys:
1) for fun (definitely has nothing to do with the franchise otherwise): have a movie-within-a-movie or commercial-casting bit with a whole bunch of Superman hopefuls "auditioning". Get as many as you can... All different versions of the uniform... Sprinkle in the "So, You Want To Be a Superhero?" finalists... Add some camera folks. Have a villain or two among the Supes, have them start chaos, see what ensues... Best if Lois & Clark start out in their midst, and then Clark vanishes to change once the bad guys start up, and then Lois is trying to find the "real" Superman among the crowd of hopefuls... Pan out to the action around her but far enough away that she can't see it.

2) if Lex is in and Parker Posey stays on as Kitty - and we're of the opinion that she'd be a fantastic Lois instead (PLEASE, someone in moviedom, do this! Don't keep Kate!) - then play up on the great interaction she had with Supes after the car incident. Have her come after him, try to ask him out some more, try to get away from Lex without playing double agent. Have a new bimbo vie for Lex's attention; Kitty will have to decide just how much she values her sugar daddy.

3) Give Jimmy a life outside of the Planet - a girlfriend there, or in the next building, so they can get stuck somewhere (together or apart) and have Superman save them. Have Clark sublet from Jimmy, maybe, or crash on his couch while trying to find his own apartment. Clark could be asleep on the couch; Jimmy & gal could come in after an evening out, find him w/ glasses off or askew; they could start speculating; he could wake up & distract them or make excuses (jokes about being Supes' long-lost twin - "Yeah, I get that a lot... Didn't start until college, thankfully.")...

4) Really complicate office politics: have Perry escort Lois' mother to some fancy awards gala or other social event

5) Hide in plain view! A high-end costume party (Halloween? Mardi Gras? Perry's birthday???), with Kitty AND Lois & Clark in attendance. Jimmy has convinced Clark, due to his resemblance to Supes, to dress as Superman (old-style costume!) for the party. Make it fit well, or make it just a bit "off" so it looks homemade. Jimmy & girlfriend can sew it for him... THEN we can have that costume-comparison discussion again! We'd need to see him put on the costume at the apartment, of course ;->

On the way there and at the party itself, have Lois and a few others say they "just don't see it - something's wrong" (perhaps he leaves the glasses on?). Have a costumed, masked Kitty - possibly a bit tipsy - come up to Clark and hit on him as usual. He responds in a gentlemanly fashion, but in a similar enough way to the first movie that she gets suspicious. Don't have a clear idea as to how Kitty and Lois and Jimmy and gal-pal should dress, but perhaps Kitty and Lois could show up in similar or even identical getups - further confusing Clark! If the villains did show up, then at babe-saving time it would get trickier. Bad guys show up (or not) but he obviously couldn't have his "new" costume under this one, and he has to use powers other than flying to stop the bad guys or at least chase them off until after the party.

6) Clark isn't icky, he's cute and dopey. SOME dopey girl at the Planet or on the street has got to notice him sooner or later. Give the poor guy some distractions! Yes, he's mad for Lois, and he spends most of the rest of his time "listening", but sometimes he just needs to be Clark. He didn't grow up ignoring girls; don't do it now. Or at least don't have them ignore him - he can politely blow them off if needed - like while chasing after Lois.


More later, I'm sure. I need sleep now.

[KON - EL]

- More lines for Routh
- Braniac
- New Lois (probably wont ever happen)
- More Action

I didnt like the suit at first but it grew on me. Jason is ok because i think there gonna kill him off anyways lol.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I think if you write Lois better Bosworth will deliver more to what the fans want.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Okay, plenty of guys have weighed in. Here's a female POV.

I grew up in the 70s in love with the George-Reeves-as-Superman hero. Lois was smart, sassy, and had the bad but convenient habit of getting caught by the bad guys so Superman could come and get her out. That Lois and Clark were mature, self-confident, and good friends. Jimmy was younger but also a friend. Back in the 70s or 80s, I'd read the early comics in compilation form - my folks used to have a book that had reprinted all of the early ones - and this traditional look was always my ideal. Still is, to the point that "Clark" is still my first choice for a boy's name if I ever have one.

Loved it when Superman came to the big screen (I was ~8); I had a huge poster of Christopher Reeve in Superman garb plastered on the ceiling over my bed until I was ten or so. As I grew up, I thought Reeve was a bit odd-looking in some ways to be Superman - he had to bulk up an awful lot for the role - but he was fine. Margot Kidder, when not too melodramatic, was certainly intelligent enough to play Lois. Fell hard for Dean Cain with Teri Hatcher in Lois & Clark, despite initial misgivings because he looked so short and different. Got convinced anything after that would be a travesty, and haven't seen Smallville at all since it's network - but my parents watch it! I've ordered the first season on DVD & will see how that flies <pun intended>.

Okay, the actual movie under review...
I had HUGE misgivings seeing an apparently unmemorable-looking soap opera stud put into the Superman/Clark role. Then again, that was worlds better than letting skanky Nicolas Cage get anywhere near the role, so I tried to keep an open mind. The pre-production pictures had me very worried all the same - lots of posing; not much feeling. Very wooden.

Put off seeing the movie until this weekend (second-run theatre) because I was very worried I'd be disappointed. Didn't want the new movie to destroy the image of my lifelong hero. Big sigh of relief here. Routh is easily a Superman and - most importantly - a Clark you can fall for and believe in. He returns to Earth (arrival reminded me somewhat of Arnold's in the original Terminator) weak, nearly collapsing, and his mom puts him to bed. When he wakes up, we see that his eyes are brown (Routh's natural eye color). I did think this was an error, especially when it happened again later in the movie, but then I got to thinking that it would be neat to use the change in eye color (applied more consistently, and in future films) to represent his energy level/activation: have them get bluer in the movie when he recharges and/or when he uses his powers. When he's totally spent, they're brown. Would have liked more Martha-Clark dialogue.

Spacey, as expected, was fabulous as Lex. Very appropriate. I took his new hardness as the result of five years of resentment while being locked up. You'd think he'd want to toast Superman after that, though, since the latter's not showing up for the appeal is how Lex walked. Parker Posey was great as Lex's dimwit-but-sweet-for-Superman girlfriend. The other bad guys were plenty mean. I don't much care that the new "land" was absurd - it's a comic book movie. We joked that the new land still had Louisiana, but now in the middle rather than on the coast (look at the map in the movie). Scene with Lex brushing his teeth was classic. We need more like that! Need more scenes with Lex meeting Superman and/or Clark too.

Lois - well, Kate Bosworth is fine as a teenybopper or dopey love interest or whatever, but she is way too young and way too much of a lightweight (literally and in her acting) to be Lois, *especially* Lois with a five-year-old kid. She had the kid while she was in high school? She was working at the Daily Planet as part of a high school work-study program? And she was MEAN to Clark, who'd been her good buddy and reporting rival at the Planet for so long. Parker Posey would be fabulous as Lois/mom and had a lot more chemistry with Routh onscreen, so I propose that the next movie have both women return, but in the opposite role. Or put Posey in as Lois and ditch Kate Bosworth entirely - we wouldn't miss her one whit. Yes, it's similar to sticking way-too-young-and-pointless Katie Holmes into the otherwise fabulous Batman movie. Lois needs strength and power and the sense to at least think for a moment before dragging her kid to a the source of the EMP (even if she didn't know until she got there that LEX was the cause of it).

The kid: he had maybe one dopey line ("I *like* him!") and thankfully was OK otherwise. They could have gotten that so wrong, and they didn't. He has the same quiet wisdom as his dad, no? Main difference being that his powers come unconsciously until a certain point as he's growing up, and *then* he's able to start exerting control over them. The early flashbacks established this well. It was good that they cast a boyfriend for Lois who was tall and handsome, with dark hair and nice qualities, to make the love t(ri)angle work and so the kid would look like both men enough to confuse everyone. Go, Cyclops! :->

We were relieved and quite happy that the filmmakers didn't take the cliched route of having Richard be, or turn out to be, a rich jerk. It would have been so easy. Instead, he's a rich nice guy with plenty of appealing attributes. He truly loves both Lois and her son, whether or not it's his son as well. He certainly doubts that it's his son (scene in the kitchen where Richard asks about the "Night with Superman" article) but doesn't seem absolutely sure until the hospital scene. With the kid in the script, the timeline could have been better. If everyone had said early on that Superman was gone for five years, and Lois had snidely commented, "It was closer to six!" then this would explain the kid's age much better. Also, there should have been some backstory as to when/how Richard started editing for the Planet - even gossip in the background in an office scene. Much prefer the "superhuman" boyfriend so the super-jerk, but now what's to be done with him?

"Stalker" scene bothered me a LOT initially, but then I started to see it from Superman's POV: he doesn't think that way. He's been away, he missed her, she apparently didn't miss him. He's trying to find out the truth without giving himself away. He's trying to find out the truth inconspicuously. He flies there, possibly hoping she'll be moping outside as in the earlier movies. She's inside, with Richard & the kid. So he listens. Gets his heart broken yet again. How come he didn't check her heartbeat when she said "no"? Because love is blind (how ironic - with all those vision tricks he can do).

To improve things for the next movie, in short:
1) new Lois: more substantial looking (not boobs, necessarily; just someone a bit bigger and stronger), more experienced looking, a bit older, someone who can seem bitter and/or frustrated yet sympathetic - not just bitter like this one
2) MUCH MORE of Clark, Lex, Superman in vignettes!!! They look great, but we want to see them doing more than standing/flying, and we REALLY want more Clark dialogue! More Martha and Clark!
3) pay more attention within the final version of the movie to timeline and backstory
4) more texture in general: little jokes, comments from extras that feed into the movie, and so forth. There weren't enough sub-plots. Have Lex & others - or Superman - have some technical discussion about masking Kryptonite with lead or with ordinary rock
5) need more on-screen shirt rips/ducks to change costume for S->C and back
6) want to see *more* of Superman and/or Clark, a la the hospital scene ;-> Often? Please? Brandon can bulk up to where he was in this movie, or bulk up a little more - doesn't much matter. Would like to see his back too.
7) needs more humor - from everyone
8) where the heck did Clark sleep during this movie? Does he recharge THAT much as Superman to be able to just float around up in the atmosphere each Metropolis night? Doesn't anyone come across his luggage?


New ideas/setups - don't much care which villains are used, as I haven't read the more recent comics and don't want the movie to collapse into a bloodbath, so use these as a crash zone for the bad guys:
1) for fun (definitely has nothing to do with the franchise otherwise): have a movie-within-a-movie or commercial-casting bit with a whole bunch of Superman hopefuls "auditioning". Get as many as you can... All different versions of the uniform... Sprinkle in the "So, You Want To Be a Superhero?" finalists... Add some camera folks. Have a villain or two among the Supes, have them start chaos, see what ensues... Best if Lois & Clark start out in their midst, and then Clark vanishes to change once the bad guys start up, and then Lois is trying to find the "real" Superman among the crowd of hopefuls... Pan out to the action around her but far enough away that she can't see it.

2) if Lex is in and Parker Posey stays on as Kitty - and we're of the opinion that she'd be a fantastic Lois instead (PLEASE, someone in moviedom, do this! Don't keep Kate!) - then play up on the great interaction she had with Supes after the car incident. Have her come after him, try to ask him out some more, try to get away from Lex without playing double agent. Have a new bimbo vie for Lex's attention; Kitty will have to decide just how much she values her sugar daddy.

3) Give Jimmy a life outside of the Planet - a girlfriend there, or in the next building, so they can get stuck somewhere (together or apart) and have Superman save them. Have Clark sublet from Jimmy, maybe, or crash on his couch while trying to find his own apartment. Clark could be asleep on the couch; Jimmy & gal could come in after an evening out, find him w/ glasses off or askew; they could start speculating; he could wake up & distract them or make excuses (jokes about being Supes' long-lost twin - "Yeah, I get that a lot... Didn't start until college, thankfully.")...

4) Really complicate office politics: have Perry escort Lois' mother to some fancy awards gala or other social event

5) Hide in plain view! A high-end costume party (Halloween? Mardi Gras? Perry's birthday???), with Kitty AND Lois & Clark in attendance. Jimmy has convinced Clark, due to his resemblance to Supes, to dress as Superman (old-style costume!) for the party. Make it fit well, or make it just a bit "off" so it looks homemade. Jimmy & girlfriend can sew it for him... THEN we can have that costume-comparison discussion again! We'd need to see him put on the costume at the apartment, of course ;->

On the way there and at the party itself, have Lois and a few others say they "just don't see it - something's wrong" (perhaps he leaves the glasses on?). Have a costumed, masked Kitty - possibly a bit tipsy - come up to Clark and hit on him as usual. He responds in a gentlemanly fashion, but in a similar enough way to the first movie that she gets suspicious. Don't have a clear idea as to how Kitty and Lois and Jimmy and gal-pal should dress, but perhaps Kitty and Lois could show up in similar or even identical getups - further confusing Clark! If the villains did show up, then at babe-saving time it would get trickier. Bad guys show up (or not) but he obviously couldn't have his "new" costume under this one, and he has to use powers other than flying to stop the bad guys or at least chase them off until after the party.

6) Clark isn't icky, he's cute and dopey. SOME dopey girl at the Planet or on the street has got to notice him sooner or later. Give the poor guy some distractions! Yes, he's mad for Lois, and he spends most of the rest of his time "listening", but sometimes he just needs to be Clark. He didn't grow up ignoring girls; don't do it now. Or at least don't have them ignore him - he can politely blow them off if needed - like while chasing after Lois.


More later, I'm sure. I need sleep now.


Your two posts are better than like 2500 of my own. I bow to your relevance :)

[Speedball]

More Villians.
Maybe Darkseid and Brainiac teaming up. Taking Superman to Apokolips will add MANY reasons for great fight scenes. Apokolips would also look cool as hell on screen.

Keep Jason, but do more with him. Maybe take him to Apokolips by "accident", so he can discover his powers. Have Lex, but don't even make him a villian, make him out to be a guy trying to redeem himself. It always happens in the comics. He'll eventually return to his crazy ways. Kitty's still with him too.

Show more of Krypton, but break away from Donner's version. Make it like the comics, more like an Earth type planet.

More Jimmy. Sam was great, but barely even used. Maybe even give him his own side story in the film that happens during the whole mess of Darkseid and Brainiacs Invasion.

The Invasion could show the US army, and how Superman cooperates with the army and establishes him even more as an American Hero. I know this might "isolate" people, but it's what he has always been and will always be.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

As a Superman fan I want Singer arressted and charged for commiting a terrible crime so that he may be sentenced long enough to never get his hands near a Superman film again.

[hippie_hunter]

If Zod is used have Superman kill him like he did in the comics. If that is not part of the story, then no Zod at all.

[Weadazoid]

More Villians.
Maybe Darkseid and Brainiac teaming up. Taking Superman to Apokolips will add MANY reasons for great fight scenes. Apokolips would also look cool as hell on screen.

Keep Jason, but do more with him. Maybe take him to Apokolips by "accident", so he can discover his powers. Have Lex, but don't even make him a villian, make him out to be a guy trying to redeem himself. It always happens in the comics. He'll eventually return to his crazy ways. Kitty's still with him too.

Show more of Krypton, but break away from Donner's version. Make it like the comics, more like an Earth type planet.

More Jimmy. Sam was great, but barely even used. Maybe even give him his own side story in the film that happens during the whole mess of Darkseid and Brainiacs Invasion.

The Invasion could show the US army, and how Superman cooperates with the army and establishes him even more as an American Hero. I know this might "isolate" people, but it's what he has always been and will always be.


Don't bring Superman to Apokolipse I say bring Apokalipse to Earth if they are going to go with Darkseide... but that is a very big if and probubly to broad and sureal an idea for Singer to encorporate into one of his 'reality' driven melodramas

I am OK for Singer to be back on for a sequal as long as he stays the hell away from Zod. The second Zod shows up in a trailer the WB will lose even more money on the 2nd film then they did on the first cause anyone that was disapointed with the simmilarities between this Superman and the late 70's Superman will be highly disapointed at seeing Zod as a villain again.

[whiteAngelus]

A MASSIVE **** OFF FIGHT WITH METALLO, BRAINIAC, AND DARKSEID
brainiac can show krpyton the way it should be and be part of was darkseid the kick ass villian at the end is after anti life equation probably not infomation etc maybe, lex can introduce metallo using kryptonian tech and something from brainiac and i want supers to just have an action fest like he deserves, more mrs kent, more jimmy more SUPERMAN AND VILLIANS and the other characters keep in the mix just dont let us down singer for god sake make us proud- one more f*** up and u in trouble matey

[JBElliott]

The sequel should be based on Action Comics #775.

[GreenKToo]

manchester black??

[The Sage]

The sequel should be based on Action Comics #775.

I'd say Peace On Earth combined with Action Comics # 775. Both tackle ideas and concepts that I feel need to be seen on the big screen.

[JBElliott]

That would be a good combination and get at the heart of the character a lot more than Superman Returns did. Plus there's be a lot of Superman doing super stuff and all the action anyone would want!

[DrMylesOBoogie]

I may or may not agree after I read the rest of the story. We're only one issue in after all.

[Orko Is King]

Great idea! 775 is one of the better Superman stories I've read.

[GreenKToo]

kool,i just read it..awesome story.

[The Sage]

I may or may not agree after I read the rest of the story. We're only one issue in after all.

It's only one issue.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

It's only one issue.Ah I thought that you were discussing the Johns/Donner story.

Yea Action #775 was a good story but hardly exciting enough for a movie. A big bad and some action in outer space is needed for a Superman film.

[M.O.Steel]

what is the story about and can we get some pics?

[JBElliott]

Ah I thought that you were discussing the Johns/Donner story.

Yea Action #775 was a good story but hardly exciting enough for a movie. A big bad and some action in outer space is needed for a Superman film.

There's all the action in AC775 you could want, plenty of Elite fighting and the huge Superman v. Elite fight at the end. Plus it nicely highlights the difference between Superman and "heroes" who kill and use overly violent methods in the name of justice and shows perfectly why Superman is the number one superhero of all time.

Sure the story has some holes in it, but those can be closed. It's the perfect story for a movie, great action and a great message.

[JBElliott]

what is the story about and can we get some pics?

http://www.thefourthrail.com/images/reviews/070504/actioncomics775.jpg

Go here (http://www.thefourthrail.com/reviews/critiques/070504/actioncomics775.shtml), here (http://www.dcuguide.com/Sm/Act_775.php), here (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/98085668778606.htm) , here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_so_funny_about_Truth%2C_Justice_%26_the_A merican_Way%3F) , here (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/99143008256605.htm) , here (http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/niven/142/recycleb/rb37.html) or read this:

ACTION COMICS #775 (second printing)
"What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, & the American Way?"

Highly Recommended (10/10)

Action #775

DC Comics
Writer: Joe Kelly
Pencils: Doug Mahnke & Lee Bermejo
Inks: Tom Nguyen, Dexter Vines, Jim Royal, Jose Marzan Jr., Wade von Grawbadger & Wayne Faucher
Colors: Rob Schwager
Letters: Comicraft
Editor: Eddie Berganza

Price: $3.75 US/$6.25 CAN
And now for something completely different. The first printing of this comic book was released in January 2001... before Randy and I began The Fourth Rail. However, we were writing reviews for another website at the time, and having recalled making some comments about this book the first time around, I sought out my original review.

So here it is. Bear in mind these comments represent my thoughts at the time. I've also included some additional commentary in italics following the text of the original review.

Son of a *****. I wasn't expecting that.

Within the comic-book industry and among regular comics readers, The Authority comes up as a topic of conversation and interest. It's a super-hero team book unlike just about any other, redefining super-heroes. Joe Kelly examines the Authority in this issue of Action Comics, comparing them to the traditional super-hero icon, Superman. Kelly examines the notion of good deeds, of heroism and morality. And it makes for a fascinating read and one of the best Superman comics to come along in years.

A new kind of super-hero makes its debut. They are members of the Elite, a team of metahumans whose power makes Superman look like Gleek the Space Monkey. And they use that power to right wrongs and change the world, but to Superman's horror, they aren't afraid to kill and seem to care little for anyone who gets in their way. A conflict of ethics and power builds between Superman and the Elite, and Lois fears her husband cannot win this confrontation.

Readers of The Authority simply must read this story. It's easy to get lost in the immense action, innovative examination of the notion of super-powers and the raunchy dialogue and characterization; it's easy to lose sight of the death and blood. Kelly examines the darker side of such characters and circumstances. Authority writers Mark Millar and Warren Ellis have hinted at that darker side, but Kelly really delves into it in detail here.

It makes sense, though, as in Action Comics, the Authority/Elite can be the antagonists, something that really wouldn't quite click in their own title. And to be fair, Kelly isn't saying "the Authority sucks" with this story. That team continues to stand out as a more accurate portrayal of what super-heroes might be like in the Real World. Kelly's point here is not that heroes should be ideal like Superman... simply that they should try. They need to try and live up to something.

The art is surprisingly consistent, given that two pencillers and six inkers were put to work on this issue. Mahnke and Bermejo bring power of the Elite to life, as well as the devastating consequences that arise when that power is put to use. The Bradstreet cover was a clever move as well, as it signals that this is not a typical Superman comic book.

What really makes the conflict and its importance clear to the reader are the little glimpses of everyday society that Kelly provides. Normal people -- from retirees to little kids playing in the street -- talk about the Elite and Superman, and it lends a greater tone of credibility to the incredible events and characters.

The Elite is not the Authority. Well, they are a singular aspect of the Authority, but Kelly's new characters represent so much more. They represent a ethical dilemma. They represent a corrupt system that overlooks justice in the name of righteousness. They represent the real instead of the ideal. And they represent what may be the finest piece of writing Joe Kelly has put together thus far in his career.

Obviously, this story will have a different impact on readers today given the different context in which it is represented. The first printing was released as a one-shot, as a commentary on a new brand of super-hero comic. This second printing serves as a backgrounder on the Elite, as the team is spinning off into its own limited series, Justice League Elite. Furthermore, this story was written before Sept.11, 2001, and more extreme and invasive "security" measures are seen in a different light today.

Is this comic book was powerful today as it was in January 2001? Certainly not. But if one focuses on Kelly's original intent and sets aside the knowledge that these one-shot characters have been transformed into something more lasting, readers can come close to tapping into the same sense of inventiveness and challenging perspective that made this story the focus of so much discussion and praise.

[The Sage]

There's all the action in AC775 you could want, plenty of Elite fighting and the huge Superman v. Elite fight at the end. Plus it nicely highlights the difference between Superman and "heroes" who kill and use overly violent methods in the name of justice and shows perfectly why Superman is the number one superhero of all time.

Sure the story has some holes in it, but those can be closed. It's the perfect story for a movie, great action and a great message.

Agreed. What would make it even better is that it could capitalize on the idea of Superman returning to Earth. In his absence, Earth has come to rely on dark methods to dispense justice. Superman shows them why old-fashioned ideals can still be triumphant in this day and time.

[M.O.Steel]

Agreed. What would make it even better is that it could capitalize on the idea of Superman returning to Earth. In his absence, Earth has come to rely on dark methods to dispense justice. Superman shows them why old-fashioned ideals can still be triumphant in this day and time.

Which would have worked perfectly in this SR. I mean, it's the name of the movie for crying out loud yet they failed to acknowledge his absence at all.

[The Punisher]

That would be pretty cool. You got my vote.

[JBElliott]

That would be pretty cool. You got my vote.

Great! Just call Singer and let him know! :D

[GreenKToo]

It sounds very similar to 'Kingdom Come',which I love.

[The Sage]

Kingdom Come's my favorite Superman story, with Action Comics 775 coming in next.

[The Punisher]

Great! Just call Singer and let him know! :D

Fortunatley, I have no way to. :ninja:

[DavidTyler]

Again... this is a thread for people who DID NOT like SR. It is not a debate thread about Singer or the merits of the film.

... And this isn't a wish list... it's about what you absolutely need to get you interested in seeing Singer's second Superman film.

For example ... I would LIKE the the costume fixed but I NEED the kid dealt with. Either get rid of him or make it more palatable for me. I think disconnected Superdad would be Superboring as well as the third wheel status with Lois and Richard.

What are you're absolute needs with the sequel?

[dar-El]

Call returns the end of the donner saga and start again. With a brighter costume not covered in s symbols, no kid, a metroplolis that isnt out of the 50's, a new Lois, a Lex that is more in line with todays interpretation i.e a billionaire industrialist not mad on real estate and a major villain worthy of kickin the man of steel's ass. Like mongul, Darkseid or even doomsday.

[Bad Superman]

I would prefer a re-start, but since there'll be a sequel this is what I need to watch the sequel:

*A brighter look/photography
*Brighter red tone for the suit
*No freaking kid (unnecesary characters twists)
*New and original story/villian(s) without copying what Donner has done.
*A better Lois Lane
*Lex Luthor is less funnier and more in tone with the comics
*More action for Superman
*Real, well shot shirt rip

[mego joe]

I need either there to be a complete twist where SR is a mind control, dream or Mr. Mxyzptlk alteration of reality that negates what happened in SR.

Or, a complete restart that has original story ideas based on concepts from the comics and isn't trying to homage the Donner films at every turn.

It doesn't have to be a complete retelling of the origin in the first 45 minutes, but just recap. Maybe like a retrospective on SUpreman's career ala part one of "up, up and away."

Go from there, have Lois and Clark already be married and just get into it.

Something like that, it just has to distance itself from SR enough that it's obviously not the same timeline, of it's a cool explanation that SR was a complete mind control, dream or mr. Mxyzptlk trip.

[TripXyDE]

this would sound somewhat funny....

but just like SR should have retconned or "ignored" Superman 3 & 4,
the new Superman movie should just ignore 3, 4 and Superman Returns

[X Knight]

i've got it! The reality we saw in SR was not really reality....it was indeed The Matrix!!!!

[y2jversion1]

I would prefer a re-start, but since there'll be a sequel this is what I need to watch the sequel:

*A brighter look/photography
*Brighter red tone for the suit
*No freaking kid (unnecesary characters twists)
*New and original story/villian(s) without copying what Donner has done.
*A better Lois Lane
*Lex Luthor is less funnier and more in tone with the comics
*More action for Superman
*Real, well shot shirt rip

All of the above wrapped in a tight storyline and compact & efficient pacing would be perfect. SR was dragging on way too much to the point where I could wait to get outta the theatre..

Since Singer introduced Cyclops and Superbrat - I think one of the best ways to approach this film would be as a prequel to SR, before Supes leaves for Krypton.

[Adam West]

Something along the lines that, when Superman arrived back on Krypton, Brainiac captured him and put him into dream-like state where he had to face his fears. Brainiac was the one who sent out the distress call and is using the computer in Superman's ship to get the co-ordinates for earth.

The new movie would open with Superman waking up, battling Brainiac, Brainiac escaping and going to Earth and Superman going after him. Superman is only gone for like 6 months. No kid or love triangle. Knock down drag out action as Superman and Brianiac tear Metropolis apart battling each other.

[Kid_Kaos]

What would it take for me to like a Superman movie made by Singer?

A reboot with a short origin story told with drawings by Alex Ross (like the opening for S-M 2).

The world has to be set in the TAS world, maybe not that utopic from the start. Have Zod fight Supes and led to the destruction of most of Metropolis. It's rebuild by Luthor, who will bond with Supes in the end of the first movie and later become President.

From there on introduce more of the Krypton heritage and let Clark even find Kara. She's maybe trapped on Warworld and Supes has to fight Mongul!? Luthor turns on Spues in one of the movies and keeps working against him by hiding behind his status.

Have Clark and Lois start out like on "Lois & Clark", leading into a releationship and finally the marriage. Once that whole love story thing is done there's enough screentime to build up the JLA.

Start it by introducing B-List heroes like Shazam, Aquaman and Green Arrow during the first movies. Flash, GL, Wonder Woman and Batman should finally appear in the last 2 Superman movies, helping him to fight Darkseid an his army and to set up the JLA movie(s).
Luthor will be brought down by Superman and Batman during or before that.

Just a short list of things I expect from a Superman movie in 2006. A Superman movie is pretty much a no-brainer. You have ~80 years of history to draw from. So sad many people still live in the 70s with that boring old movies. :ninja:

[matthooper]

An amazing super villian
Fighting between Superman and an actual super-villian.
Limit the melodramatic crap.
No Luthor, since he was ruined in SR.
An imaginative story and not another retread.
A lot of action.
Clark in scenes that work
Some flashbacks to Krypton.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

New cast, new suit, new villain that it's not Zod, keep the Donner and Christ connections to minimum oh and ditch the kid.

[The Overlord]

I thought Superman was too stand offish in SR, he acted more like the Silver Surfer than Superman. I want Superman to have emotions this time. Its time that Superman got pissed off. He has family now, so if a powerful villain like Brainiac threatened them, I would want to Superman go medieval on him.

[COMPO]

i want superman to have some conflict. Like have some people don't like him and some of them have learnt to move on without him and don't wnat his help. And he's thinking: why should i help people who don't want my help. But, if i refuse to help them what makes me any different from the people that try to hurt them. You know make him more human. He's been grown up as a human. He's always to me seemed too alien. In the films anyway.

[ETHAR-N]

I think they should do some brainiac thing with all that mass of crystal/kryptonite thats on space. It shoul become intelligent or something like that, an be able to change shape and aspect, and at the end of the movie, it becomes a great amount of S*** like in returns, bur with a more brainiacish look destroying metropolis anda having a superbrawl with superman all along the city.

Just an idea

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You want to see him angry?

kill the kid..and have him not being able to save him..have brainiac or even lex do it.

[Maze]

I thought Superman was too stand offish in SR, he acted more like the Silver Surfer than Superman. I want Superman to have emotions this time. Its time that Superman got pissed off. He has family now, so if a powerful villain like Brainiac threatened them, I would want to Superman go medieval on him.
It could be interesting imo to see Superman trying to get over that sort of emotion.

He is a also a hero imo ,because he is a man who never have those sort of demons control him.. that's not who he is imo.Ultimately , he is stronger than that.

[Retroman]

Sounds interesting. I'd like to get a copy of this issue.

If anyone wants to make a direct suggestion to Singer and co. you could try by sending it to the writers.
Dougherty: http://mikedougherty.com/
Harris: http://fortressofattitude.com/

[super-t]

sounds cool but i think its a bit out of the realism circle singer is going with

[mathhater]

I'd say Peace On Earth combined with Action Comics # 775. Both tackle ideas and concepts that I feel need to be seen on the big screen.

But those stories capture Superman as he's meant to be portrayed...

so why would Singer care??

[WhatsHisFace]

We could have a moral to the story. It's been a while since we've had one of those.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Singerman is more likely to mope around the fortress listening to Boyz 2 Men's "End Of The Road" then get angry or show authority in these movies.

[Super Kal]

I want to see some more emotion too...

[Superman Pwnage]

I want to see him get so angry that the colors on his suit go darker!

[markaudette]

Brandon's lack of emotion is what helped make SR dull in places. I can't say whose fault that is. There is one short scene where Clark flies into the Fortress and finds the control crystals missing. He had a terrific look of anger on his face. A look on his face that made me feel like the action was really going to pick up and there'd be hell to pay. The action lasted only about as long as it took Clark to slam down onto the surface of New Krypton the first time. But that sudden flash of anger was wonderful while it lasted.

I have this whole theory that in trying to give Clark the traits and generosity of a god-like figure, they've displaced the character's own natural emotions. Which I think helped to make him wooden in SR. We should not expect him to act as if he were some preacher, counselor, ethereal god-like figure or judge who holds himself above all other people, emotionally or outwardly. As if he were up on some pedastal above anger, above revenge, above remorse or sorrow. Clark is Kal-el - a Kryptonian and still just a man.

It's as if no one is willing to deal with the moral implications of allowing a demi-god to have a bad day and get pissed off.

[JBElliott]

We could have a moral to the story. It's been a while since we've had one of those.

The title would be pretty cool too: "What's so funny about Truth, Justice and the American Way?"

[MaskedManJRK]

Here's an idea:

Let's say, Mongol, is attacking the city. Superman and Mongol fight through Metropolis. At one point, Mongol has Superman down, picks him up by the neck, and says something among the lines of "as soon as I'm done killing you, I'll kill your little boy and the mother you were trying to protect." Superman looks at him, anger burning red hot in his eyes, literary, and says only one word:

"Burn."

:woot::up:

[FanboyX_Returns]

I thought Superman was too stand offish in SR, he acted more like the Silver Surfer than Superman. I want Superman to have emotions this time. Its time that Superman got pissed off. He has family now, so if a powerful villain like Brainiac threatened them, I would want to Superman go medieval on him.


First you need an actor with some range in order to do scenes like that... :woot:

[The Sage]

The title would be pretty cool too: "What's so funny about Truth, Justice and the American Way?"

Movie title, nah. As a subtitle on a poster, it's brilliant.

[JBElliott]

Movie title, nah. As a subtitle on a poster, it's brilliant.

It is a little long for a title, but what would be the title that goes with that subtitle?

[The Sage]

It is a little long for a title, but what would be the title that goes with that subtitle?

Man of Steel?:woot:

[mmx915]

Ya I agree, like at the end of the original after Lois died,

kill the kid?

I wouldnt mind seeing the kid grow up later and see how that works, but for now Ijust really want to see Superman fight a hardcore bad guy like Braniac with this modern computer stuff to knock me off my socks, after that I can dig some more character stuff

[The Overlord]

It could be interesting imo to see Superman trying to get over that sort of emotion.

He is a also a hero imo ,because he is a man who never have those sort of demons control him.. that's not who he is imo.Ultimately , he is stronger than that.

Superman is a hero, not a robot. I don't care how heroic you are, if someone threatened your family, you would get ticked off.

[Parker]

I wouldn't mind seeing him in distress, but we already saw what happens when Superman totally hulks out and goes bananas in Donner's first film, I don't need to see that again, I get it.

[The Overlord]

I wouldn't mind seeing him in distress, but we already saw what happens when Superman totally hulks out and goes bananas in Donner's first film, I don't need to see that again, I get it.

That was kinda lame, its not like he beat the hell out of phsyical equal or superior in that movie. Superman being mad would make for an awesome fight scene.

[DavidTyler]

Another thing Ineed to go see the sequel is for it to break away from Donner. New frickin' villain. Not another Luthor story. Nor Frickin' Zod. Someone they haven't done on the big screen before but someone from the comix.

Someone equal to Superman's abilities ... like a Mongul, Metallo, or ... dare I say it ... Brainiac.

[JBElliott]

Man of Steel?:woot:

Sure:

Superman - The Man of Steel: "What's so funny about Truth, Justice and the American Way?"

It's a mouthfull altogether, but it would look great on a poster or trailer.

[The Sage]

I agree there.

[The Kid]

Basing it on the comics? A novel idea.

[TripXyDE]

Agreed. What would make it even better is that it could capitalize on the idea of Superman returning to Earth. In his absence, Earth has come to rely on dark methods to dispense justice. Superman shows them why old-fashioned ideals can still be triumphant in this day and time.

And THAT could have been what Superman RETURNS should have been about. NOT EVERYBODY gets to be pleased when Superman Returns. (& please let's not talk just about lois here). When he returns, maybe Luthor has redeemed himself with a heroism of his own, putting the corporate, redeemed & clean Luthor concept in place.... When he returns, Superman would be of less use. Superman may have returned back to his costume because he felt that some "heroes" were going too far.

i have not read THAT Action #775....(i wish i could get a copy) ... but i'm sure (as based on the synopsis provided) that it would make a great Superman movie

[JBElliott]

Basing it on the comics? A novel idea.

Shouldn't that be a "graphic novel" idea?

[The Question]

And THAT could have been what Superman RETURNS should have been about. NOT EVERYBODY gets to be pleased when Superman Returns. (& please let's not talk just about lois here). When he returns, maybe Luthor has redeemed himself with a heroism of his own, putting the corporate, redeemed & clean Luthor concept in place.... When he returns, Superman would be of less use. Superman may have returned back to his costume because he felt that some "heroes" were going too far.

i have not read THAT Action #775....(i wish i could get a copy) ... but i'm sure (as based on the synopsis provided) that it would make a great Superman movie

Maybe Lex has, secretly, brought together and funded The Elite in Superman's absence.

[JBElliott]

Maybe Lex has, secretly, brought together and funded The Elite in Superman's absence.

If they sold that idea as Lex doing things as he felt they should be done, i.e. humans protecting and inspiring humans rather than aliens being trusted with that job (i.e. as in "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel (http://www.amazon.com/Lex-Luthor-Steel-Brian-Azzarello/dp/1401204546)") I could see that being interesting and making sense.

[TripXyDE]

ive been reading the synopsis & reviews of Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, & wow, i'm so intrigued. how i wish twas easy to find those comics from where i am.

anyway...
just imagine merging the Luthor we see in LL: MOS & the animated series version of Luthor, & we might get the BEST onscreen Luthor ever...

Remember in SR, when Spacey Luthor was comparing himself to Prometheus...THAT was the ONLY cool moment that I could recall of the film...i thought that after that scene, we'll be treated to a Luthor with depth & a kind of brilliance that can match with Supes' brawn. Too bad we got crap.

[matrix_ghost]

Well here's what i would want to see

1 Less Donner or in fact no donner whatsoever.

2 If Lex is used , make him a far more darker character . Less funny , more comic based. Also create a realistic way of him being a succesful figure in metropolis , as opposed to say real estate. Y'know him creating Lex Corp etc.

3 No more natural disasters saves. Instead actually show off what you can do with VFX: LEt Supes go head to head with his many comic villains.
I mean they''ve got the company who did the VFX for Spiderman for godssake.
Goblin...Doc OCk , Venom , Sandman...Venom....PHOTOREALISTIC SPIDEY....

4 Find a plausible way of hurting superman as opposed to kryptonite.

5 Show Superman really being angry. I really wouldn't mind to see how Singer would create a superman who'd be pissed off if Jason got killed.

6 Yes Jason. I' d rather see him dead . Not because i hate him , but i'd like to see a darker tone to superman. If Singer really wanted to make Superman a character who we could relate too , don't let him go on with being a dad ..but rather the choices he would face when his own son was killed. How would he deal with that as well as being earth's greatest savior. We're talking Batman's level of darkness here people....

7 More comic based script . I'd rather have a 80 % comic book influence with 20 % changes by Singer and co. as opposed to a 20 % comic book influence and 80 % changes by Singer and co.

[Negative Creep]

A worthy foe for Superman and some kickass action.

[JBElliott]

New writer. New director. New actors. A story from the comics and a guy playing Superman that looks like Superman, can act his way out of a paper bag and dresses like Superman. Bye-bye Routh. Bye-Bye Singer. Bye-bye Bosworth. Etc. Etc. Etc.

[JBElliott]

Gee, what a f*$k!ng surprise, good story ideas to be found in comics. To bad dumb ass Singer won't look there. But then who would look for Superman in comics?

[The Kid]

Heh, this is difficult to answer since I don't have any desire to see a sequel to Returns so assuming that the next follows the last automatically makes me uninterested in anything it will offer regardless of what I'd want to be changed.