Does the world that Superman lives in actual Earth Prime?

[raybia]

WHAT IF, the world of Superman takes place in an "EARTH PRIME TYPE OF WORLD", a world that is very much like our own EXCEPT of course the existence of Superman.

If so, that would explain the lack of other villians (supervillians) outside of Luthor and the Kryptonians.

So what if some unexplained phenomenon at this point, opens up a portal to an parallel universe that enables a supervillan like Darseid or Mongul to become aware of our Universe and makes plans for conquest.

In this parallel universe, lets just say that there is no Superman or even an Earth. Or prehaps the planet that would be Earth was long ago destroyed or just doesn't have life on it.

Maybe the circumstances that creates this phenomenon takes place in the next movie and then it ends in a cliffhanger that sees either Darkseid or Mongul and Warworld enter into our realm setting up the 3rd movie in the new series.

[odiin]

Um. You realize it's just a movie right? It takes place in the universe... of the movie. It has nothing to do with the earth-1, earth-2, earth-prime etc of the comics.

[raybia]

Um. You realize it's just a movie right? It takes place in the universe... of the movie. It has nothing to do with the earth-1, earth-2, earth-prime etc of the comics.


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[Eros]

^raybia considering the contents of your first post, you have no right to make that face.

[raybia]

^raybia considering the contents of your first post, you have no right to make that face.


:dry:

[jpmuftak]

Holy crap! I sure hope Brian Singer is reading this and taking it into consideration!
This is an awesome idea!!!!!

...hey, why don't we have them travel through a Stargate and MacGyver can help superman win with his NIFTY inventions! Then these movies will finally stop being confusing and start being simple enough for people to understand!:wow:






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[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Holy crap! I sure hope Brian Singer is reading this and taking it into consideration!
This is an awesome idea!!!!!

...hey, why don't we have them travel through a Stargate and MacGyver can help superman win with his NIFTY inventions! Then these movies will finally stop being confusing and start being simple enough for people to understand!:wow:






:dry:

Sarcasm is only effective if people are listening to you. :hyper:

[storyteller]

if singer knew about earth prime, that would mean he knew more about superman then donners film.

[raybia]

if singer knew about earth prime, that would mean he knew more about superman then donners film.


Not too late to learn.

[odiin]

The minute they start incorporating multiple universes into super hero movies, is the minute I swear them off for good*








*Unless it happens to deal with Power Girl

[raybia]

The minute they start incorporating multiple universes into super hero movies, is the minute I swear them off for good*











Yeah, because the jilted superhero with kid out of wedlock stalker angle is definitely so much better than the concept of parallel universes.

God forbid that a comic book movie would adapt a concept that is a mainstay in the comics.

[Zen Ith]

Yeah, because the jilted superhero with kid out of wedlock stalker angle is definitely so much better than the concept of parallel universes.If a parallel universe is just an easy way of bringing in a comic book villain, then yes.

[raybia]

If a parallel universe is just an easy way of bringing in a comic book villain, then yes.

If WB could go back and do this all over again I don't think they would have used Singer's story, or even Singer himself.

By the way, you don't need a parallel universe to use a villian from Superman's rogues gallery, but you do need to know the source material that is responsible for the existence and popularity of the character in the first place.

This should go without saying and its why Nolan was successful with BB and Singer wasn't as successful with SR.

[resentment]

Raybia, you're essentially talking about a movie that's already been done: Last Action Hero. Even though it would be a really fun storyline in it's own little way, I don't think it would hold up to the audience as a whole. The second you introduce multi-parallel universes and Superman and villains from other planets, the movie goes from a blockbuster, to a scifi sausage fest with a bunch of hardcore fans only interested in seeing it.

[raybia]

Raybia, you're essentially talking about a movie that's already been done: Last Action Hero. Even though it would be a really fun storyline in it's own little way, I don't think it would hold up to the audience as a whole. The second you introduce multi-parallel universes and Superman and villains from other planets, the movie goes from a blockbuster, to a scifi sausage fest with a bunch of hardcore fans only interested in seeing it.


Superman in the comics has always had scifi elements to it, and IMO those stories were always the best ones.

[Eros]

Superman in the comics has always had scifi elements to it, and IMO those stories were always the best ones.

Notice you said comics, not movies.

[raybia]

Notice you said comics, not movies.

Also notice that the movies are adaptations of comics.

Also notice that most of the Superman movies are average or subpar compared to the comics when comparing them by stories.

The majority of the Superman movies are also subpar when compared to other superhero movies.

[Brainiac 2009]

Eh,

I think I see Raybia's idea here.

Both Superman Returns and Batman Begins are very 'real-world' takes on the characters (possibly the most 'real' ever done).

Essentially thats what Earth Prime was intended to be. Though Earth Prime only had one superhero in it. SR and BB may eventually fall into the same universe if WB is really serious about the proposed teamup film.

[raybia]

Eh,

I think I see Raybia's idea here.

Both Superman Returns and Batman Begins are very 'real-world' takes on the characters (possibly the most 'real' ever done).

Essentially thats what Earth Prime was intended to be. Though Earth Prime only had one superhero in it. SR and BB may eventually fall into the same universe if WB is really serious about the proposed teamup film.

Yes, thank you.

So how do you introduce a particular comic book villian that doesn't fit into the "real worlds" of Superman and/or Batman? Have them come from a parallel or mirror universe.

[Freddy_Krueger]

If WB could go back and do this all over again I don't think they would have used Singer's story, or even Singer himself.




Yup, that's why they signed him to do a second one. Because they so regretted ever hiring him for the first film. :dry:

And sorry, parallel universes may work in the comics, but the translation to screen just wouldn't work. Alternate universes just add confusion, and that's the last thing anyone adapting a comic into the film medium wants to do to the general audience.

[raybia]

Yup, that's why they signed him to do a second one. Because they so regretted ever hiring him for the first film. :dry:

No, I believe he already had a multi picture deal and plus it would be bad publicity to pull the plug at this point with all the money invested to bring the franchise back.

And sorry, parallel universes may work in the comics, but the translation to screen just wouldn't work. Alternate universes just add confusion, and that's the last thing anyone adapting a comic into the film medium wants to do to the general audience.


Yeah because we know Hollywood never makes complex movies for a general audience (The Matrix Trilogy) and we know how much the confusion of Alternate/parallel universes affected the success of the Wizard of Oz, A Wonderful Life, Back to the Future II, The One, The Matrix, Donnie Darko. :whatever:

[Brainiac 8]

Yeah, because the jilted superhero with kid out of wedlock stalker angle is definitely so much better than the concept of parallel universes.

God forbid that a comic book movie would adapt a concept that is a mainstay in the comics.


lol Burn!:oldrazz:

[Brainiac 2009]

Yes, thank you.

So how do you introduce a particular comic book villian that doesn't fit into the "real worlds" of Superman and/or Batman? Have them come from a parallel or mirror universe.

Certain rogues would work; Brainiac, Eradicator, Metallo but obviously none would look anything like their comic counterparts (ie: Brainiac wouldnt be a green bald guy).

Of the same vein characters like Clayface, Manbat etc wouldnt work with Batman Begin's approach.

We'll probably never see anything magic based in both films either (but thats prolly for the best).

[raybia]

Certain rogues would work; Brainiac, Eradicator, Metallo but obviously none would look anything like their comic counterparts (ie: Brainiac wouldnt be a green bald guy).

Of the same vein characters like Clayface, Manbat etc wouldnt work with Batman Begin's approach.

I agree. Plus, those characters don't will excite me and even in the comics, the stories involving those kind of characters seemed weak.

We'll probably never see anything magic based in both films either (but thats prolly for the best).

Magic? No.

I think sci-fi is the way to go with Superman.

Semi-supernatural done in a realitic approach (such as Raiders of the Lost Ark) could work in a Batman movie but personally I think a Batman movie should be crime noir.

[Brainiac 2009]

Bryan is a hardcore trek fan and claimed the sequel will have a scifi feel, we'll have to wait and see.

I know he commented actually that SR was not his typical style, he just wanted to try something totally out of his zone and attempt a romantic-type story once.

He should just stick with sci-fi/action stuff.

[raybia]

Bryan is a hardcore trek fan and claimed the sequel will have a scifi feel, we'll have to wait and see.

I know he commented actually that SR was not his typical style, he just wanted to try something totally out of his zone and attempt a romantic-type story once.

He should just stick with sci-fi/action stuff.

Agree. I think though SR could have been better just be removing the Lois with Kid subplot which would better set up the love triangle between Superman/Richard/and Lois.

However, what I was really hoping for was a love triangle involving Superman, Lois and Clark.

That would have been really interesting as Clark has always showed attraction towards Lois but that attraction had not been recipocated by her.

It would have been nice to see Lois begin to pine for Clark after finally accepting that a romance between her and Superman was not going to happen.

[Brainiac 2009]

After Richard and Lois break it off, I kinda want to see Clark be proactive; step up and win Lois over and show then her the truth.

I'd be a nice change from Lois finding out on her own in the Donner film.

I wasnt down with the whole love triangle between Superman, Lois and Clark because in this version, Superman is playing Clark like a disguise or act or purpose. He intends for Lois not to notice him or like him as Clark, thats part of the disguise.

[raybia]

After Richard and Lois break it off, I kinda want to see Clark be proactive; step up and win Lois over and show then her the truth.

I'd be a nice change from Lois finding out on her own in the Donner film.


That would be ideal. I like the way you think.


I wasnt down with the whole love triangle between Superman, Lois and Clark because in this version, Superman is playing Clark like a disguise or act or purpose. He intends for Lois not to notice him or like him as Clark, thats part of the disguise.

I like how Clark was played in the Donner movies but I wanted Superman to be the mask in the new series.

[Brainiac 2009]

I liked the Superman as the mask in the comics but its hard to conceptualize for a live action real-world based film.

Considering Superman doesnt wear a mask...

Lois and Clark played it that way and it wasnt remotely believeable.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Yeah because we know Hollywood never makes complex movies for a general audience (The Matrix Trilogy) and we know how much the confusion of Alternate/parallel universes affected the success of the Wizard of Oz, A Wonderful Life, Back to the Future II, The One, The Matrix, Donnie Darko. :whatever:

The Wizard of Oz wasn't an alternate universe...it was a dream.

It's a Wonderful Life literally had someone telling the main character, "This is what would have happened had you never been born" constantly.

Back to the Future II was a convoluted mess.

The Matrix wasn't overly complicated as far as the rules went. Merely a simple "we plug you in, you're there, unplug you then you're back here" rule. And, by the way, the general audience did nothing but complain about the Architect's confusing dialogue with Neo. In fact, it was the overcomplication of Reloaded that led to Revolution's lackluster box office.

Donnie Darko wasn't embraced by the general audience.

Try again.

[raybia]

The Wizard of Oz wasn't an alternate universe...it was a dream.

Thats your opinion.

It's a Wonderful Life literally had someone telling the main character, "This is what would have happened had you never been born" constantly.

I would consider that, an alternate universe where George Bailey didn't not exist.

Back to the Future II was a convoluted mess.

Call it what you may, but it didn't stop the series from being known as one of the best movie trilogies in Hollywood and from experience great box office success, along with a good review from Ebert himself.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19891122/REVIEWS/911220301/1023


The Matrix wasn't overly complicated as far as the rules went. Merely a simple "we plug you in, you're there, unplug you then you're back here" rule. And, by the way, the general audience did nothing but complain about the Architect's confusing dialogue with Neo. In fact, it was the overcomplication of Reloaded that led to Revolution's lackluster box office.

Donnie Darko wasn't embraced by the general audience.

No because of the story. Publicly screened for the first time at the Sundance Film Festival, critic Andy Bailey billed Donnie Darko as a "Sundance surprise" that "isn't spoiled by the Hollywood forces that helped birth it."

Although critically acclaimed, Donnie Darko debuted in U.S. theatres in October, 2001 to a tepid response. Shown on only 58 screens nationwide, the film grossed $110,494 in its opening weekend. By the time the film closed in U.S. theatres on April 11, 2002, Darko had grossed $517,375.

Despite the poor showing at the box office, the film had attracted a devoted fan base. Donnie Darko was originally released on DVD in March, 2002. During this time, the Pioneer Theatre in New York City's East Village began midnight screenings of Darko that continued for 28 consecutive months.

Strong DVD sales led Newmarket Films to release a "Directors Cut" on DVD in 2005. Bob Berney, President of Newmarket Films described Darko as "a runaway hit on DVD," citing U.S. DVD sales of more than $10 million. That same year, Darko composer Michael Andrew's found his piano-driven cover of "Mad World" at the top of the U.K. music charts.

2001 — Richard Kelly won with Donnie Darko for "Best Screenplay" at the Catalonian International Film Festival and at the San Diego Film Critics Society. Donnie Darko also won the "Audience Award" for Best Feature at the Sweden Fantastic Film Festival. The film was nominated for "Best Film" at the Catalonian International Film Festival and for the "Grand Jury Prize" at the Sundance Film Festival.

2002 — Donnie Darko won the "Special Award" at the Young Filmmakers Showcase at the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films. The movie also won the "Silver Scream Award" at the Amsterdam Fantastic Film Festival. In 2002 Kelly was nominated for "Best First Feature" and "Best First Screenplay" with Donnie Darko, as well as Jake Gyllenhaal being nominated for "Best Male Lead" at the Independent Spirit Awards. The film was also nominated for the "Best Breakthrough Film" at the Online Film Critics Society Awards.

2003 — Jake Gyllenhaal won for "Best Actor" and Richard Kelly for "Best Original Screenplay" for Donnie Darko at the Chlotrudis Awards, where Kelly was also nominated for "Best Director" and "Best Movie."

2005 — Donnie Darko ranked in the top five on My Favourite Film, an Australian poll conducted by the ABC.

2006 — Donnie Darko ranks ninth in FilmFour's 50 Films to See Before You Die.

It also came in at number 14 on Entertainment Weekly's list of the 50 Best High School Movies.






Try again.

No, you try again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_universe_(fiction)#Movies

[raybia]

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[Freddy_Krueger]

Thats your opinion.

Last I checked, Dorothy woke up from a dream. Now, in the novel she really went to Oz. Only the film version made it all a dream.


would consider that, an alternate universe where George Bailey didn't not exist.

Yup, and the audience has someone there to make sure they know that the entire time.

Call it what you may, but it didn't stop the series from being known as one of the best movie trilogies in Hollywood and from experience great box office success.[COLOR=#000000]

Sure, they were successes. I won't deny that. But anyone who says they weren't confused by all the alternate time line crap is lying. Not to mention II and III (especially III) made nothing close to what the original made at the box office. A sure sign of declining interest.

And wherein all of those awards does anything represent the general audience? Just because a movie wins some independent awards doesn't mean Joe Schmoe gave a rat's ass about the movie.

So, once again, try again.

[raybia]

Last I checked, Dorothy woke up from a dream. Now, in the novel she really went to Oz. Only the film version made it all a dream.

I'll give it to you that it maybe it was implied but never substantiated. [/COLOR]

Sure, they were successes. I won't deny that. But anyone who says they weren't confused by all the alternate time line crap is lying.

So what? You argument is that using an alternate universe cannot work I showed you a case where it did. Plus only an idiot would be confused about a villian merely coming into Superman's universe from an alternate universe. My idea doesn't involved Superman interacting with it.

And wherein all of those awards does anything represent the general audience? Just because a movie wins some independent awards doesn't mean Joe Schmoe gave a rat's ass about the movie.

Its shows the success the movie experienced in spite of such a mindboggling concept as alternate or parallel universes.

So, once again, try again.

Ditto

[Freddy_Krueger]

I'll give it to you that it maybe it was implied but never substantiated.




I've always grown up watching that film with the realization that it was a dream, and that she had attributed people she had encountered in her everyday life with these characters in her dream.

So what? You argument is that using an alternate universe cannot work I showed you a case where it did.



Not quite. I pointed out the declining interest in the series. BTTF II only made about half of what the original made, and the third only brought in $87 million. Box office may not be able to determine quality, but it can determine interest. With the sequels the timelines got more convoluted and hard to follow, and the audiences obviously didn't take well to it.

Its shows the success the movie experienced in spite of such a mindboggling concept as alternate or parallel universes.


Yes, it found an audience on DVD and won Independent film awards. Good for Donnie Darko. However, the audience it found on DVD doesn't necessarily represent Joe Schmoe/the general audience.

But back on the topic of Superman and alternate timelines. I just can't see the audience following Superman of our earth meeting with Superman of Earth 2 and going against Superboy of Earth prime who is teamed up with Lex Luthor of Earth 0 (or whatever Earth he's from) who is actually a good Lex Luthor as opposed to the Lex Luthor of our earth but then he turns bad and is actually worse than our Lex Luthor...

See where I'm getting here. It's not even just the alternate universe. It's the fact that there's so many. Comic books make it so convoluted that it would never translate very well from page to screen...especially for the general audience.

[raybia]

But back on the topic of Superman and alternate timelines. I just can't see the audience following Superman of our earth meeting with Superman of Earth 2 and going against Superboy of Earth prime who is teamed up with Lex Luthor of Earth 0 (or whatever Earth he's from) who is actually a good Lex Luthor as opposed to the Lex Luthor of our earth but then he turns bad and is actually worse than our Lex Luthor...


I agree with all of this, that is why if you look at my original post, I said this alternative universe either doesn't have an Earth or the Earth no longer supports life.


See where I'm getting here. It's not even just the alternate universe. It's the fact that there's so many. Comic books make it so convoluted that it would never translate very well from page to screen...especially for the general audience.

I understand. I don't think alternative universes necessarily have to be complicated. I really depends on the writer. One of the best stories I saw with this concept was the Mirror universe episode of the classic Star Trek series.

What I was suggesting was just one alternative universe to explain the existence of a being like Darseid or Mongul since Donner's/Singer's Universe doesn't seem to support the existence of those type of characters.

Of course Singer could just have them show up without his angle. After all its a big universe.