The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[regwec]

But would you want a non british person playing James Bond? i certainly wouldnt.

Well, Pierce Brosnan was Irish and Geoge Lazenby was Australian. I didn't like either of them, but that's hardly the point.

[itsthebatman]

You didn't like Pierce? You philistine.
The point is taken.

[uchiha_itachi]

You should also take spelling lessons before the sequel, because that sentence is atrocious.

i dont really care tbh..

[Agentsands77]

You didn't like Pierce? You philistine.
Not to take us off-topic, but I didn't care for him either.

[itsthebatman]

Not to take us off-topic, but I didn't care for him either.
Not to take us further off-topic, but this is Bond.
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/3774/Images/pierce2.jpg
Certainly for his first three movies. Ddin't care for Die Another Day.
That said...
http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/yahoo_manual/20060511/09/3795142720.jpg
Craig is perfect.
Phew. That last post nearly killed me.

[Miranda Fox]

Is this the picture?
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/3774/scarecrowir7.jpg

Yup. :) Thanks for digging it out.

I'm pretty sure this pic was long debunked as fan art.

Ah, okay. I wasn't sure.

[itsthebatman]

Yup. :) Thanks for digging it out.



Ah, okay. I wasn't sure.

Wasn't there another one, for Scarecrow stage 2, that was more extreme than the finished product? It made it pretty close to being featured on film, from what I shakily recall.

[Darkest Knight]

Guard makes valid points. However, I'm still having trouble taking them seriously past his Wes Bently should've and would've been a better Batman / Bruce Wayne speech. Especially after seeing the train wreck of a bad actor he is, on screen.

[itsthebatman]

I think you're being a little unfair: the reason that Nicholson figuratively bursts through the makeup is that he is such a powerhouse of a personality, anyway. His portrayal of The Joker was technically good, and the cocktail of different voices and actions he brought to bare in the part indicates a real effort, but those eyes and that voice prevented me from forgetting who the actor was. Still: not Jack's fault.

Exactly. There are some actors who are so well known and so powerful that their personality always shines through in their performance, making ti difficult to fully divorce them from the character. Robert Redford and Warren Beatty were initially tested for Superman before Christopher Reeve got the part, and the fact that he was an unknown actually helped the film: you weren't watching Warren Beatty in a Superman suit, you were watching Superman.

[The Guard]

because i was never aware of them as actors but as characters. for Nicholson/Joker, i always saw Nicholson; i never saw the Joker. it's not that they're getting "a pass"; it's that they can act. i think you nailed it with the word "performance", no matter how arbitrarily you may have plucked it from the ether and no matter how trivial you may think the word choice is, i still find it telling. Nicholson was performing; Freeman and Caine were acting. i never felt they were giving a "performance". i feel the same about Bale/Keaton.

Acting and a performance are the same damn thing. The performance is simply the result of someone acting. Even when you "becmoe" the character, certain mannerisms are going to show up in your performance.

You're not seriously telling me that you think Freeman and Caine did any better at shirking their "public images" than Nicholson did, are you? Those are two of the most well-known actors working today who have very distinct mannerisms.

think you're being a little unfair: the reason that Nicholson figuratively bursts through the makeup is that he is such a powerhouse of a personality, anyway. His portrayal of The Joker was technically good, and the cocktail of different voices and actions he brought to bare in the part indicates a real effort, but those eyes and that voice prevented me from forgetting who the actor was. Still: not Jack's fault.
Exactly. Christian Bale pretending to be Batman will always be Christian Bale pretending to be Batman, because his mannerisms come through. That's not a bad thing, though, because it's those mannerisms in part that enable him to give a good performance. If you want to believe he's the character, great. That's part of the suspension of disbelief that makes film and theatre work.
Guard makes valid points. However, I'm still having trouble taking them seriously past his Wes Bently should've and would've been a better Batman / Bruce Wayne speech. Especially after seeing the train wreck of a bad actor he is, on screen.
Apparently you have trouble with a selective memory, too. I said Wes Bentley would have made a better younger Bruce Wayne (young 20's, as the YEAR ONE script was angling for) than Christian Bale. I fully believed Bale was the better choice for an older version of the character.
And if you base Wes Bentley's acting abilities on GHOST RIDER, then I'm afraid nothing can help you. Once more: AMERICAN BEAUTY, and THE FOUR FEATHERS.

[Doc Holliday]

What's with the zombie Clint Eastwood?

That's a ZOMBIE Clint Eastwood? I thought it was just a picture of him.

[Agentsands77]

Not to take us further off-topic, but this is Bond.
Too bad he couldn't deliver anything beyond his looks (which are too string-bean, pretty-boy for me anyway). :cwink:

At least we agree on Daniel Craig.

[Miranda Fox]

Wasn't there another one, for Scarecrow stage 2, that was more extreme than the finished product? It made it pretty close to being featured on film, from what I shakily recall.

It did - a lot of people were disappointed it never made it to screen.

[Agentsands77]

It did - a lot of people were disappointed it never made it to screen.
I was one of those people. I was happy with the Scarecrow as-is, but the 2nd-stage look seemed pretty awesome. I actually have the photo for the concept:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Agentsands77/050713_horror-stage2-scarecrowmask.jpg

[ghost_x]

As strongly as people feel about the Jokers look, I think that that concept of Scarecrow is far worse. Maybe if it was the mask under the influence of the fear gas, but that is not scarecrow.

[Agentsands77]

As strongly as people feel about the Jokers look, I think that that concept of Scarecrow is far worse. Maybe if it was the mask under the influence of the fear gas, but that is not scarecrow.
If you're talking about the concept I posted, the Stage 2 Scarecrow, that is the Scarecrow as viewed under the influence of fear gas. That's what the Stage 2 Scarecrow was.

[Rynan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Agentsands77/050713_horror-stage2-scarecrowmask.jpg

I think "Stage 2" is over hyped. There was a reason it wasn't in the film and it wasn't time issues.

[Agentsands77]

It's certainly overhyped. But it would have been cool. We never did get to see some really scary fear-gas effects, and it would have done it.

[ghost_x]

I thought for the rating of Begins there were some pretty horrific images under the fear gas, what others saw Batman as under the gas was quite nasty

[Agentsands77]

I thought for the rating of Begins there were some pretty horrific images under the fear gas, what others saw Batman as under the gas was quite nasty
I dunno. There's been a lot scarier and more horrific than what BEGINS served up and still received a PG-13 rating.

Demon Batman was cool. But Scarecrow himself never really got the scary treatment. We got a few quick flashes, but they were never shown long enough to have that much impact.

[ghost_x]

Lingering on a scary visual for a longer period of time detracts from it's effect, I thought we saw enough to serve it's purpose

[Agentsands77]

Lingering on a scary visual for a longer period of time detracts from it's effect, I thought we saw enough to serve it's purpose
Well, firstly, that's hardly a universal rule. And of course they shouldn't have overdone it, but they weren't even close to overdoing it. They were underdoing it, by a significant amount. They could have shown a bit more and it would have had more impact, if you ask me.

I mean, what we saw from Scarecrow wasn't scary. We saw some flashes of some stuff, but it wasn't scary. Hell, Demon Batman was creepier than any of the Scarecrow stuff, and that just ain't right.

[Rynan]

I mean, what we saw from Scarecrow wasn't scary. We saw some flashes of some stuff, but it wasn't scary. Hell, Demon Batman was creepier than any of the Scarecrow stuff, and that just ain't right.

But shouldn't Batman be scarier than the scarecrow?

[Bond]

But shouldn't Batman be scarier than the scarecrow?
Exactly what I was thinking.

[Agentsands77]

But shouldn't Batman be scarier than the scarecrow?
Not necessarily. Why would he be? In appearance, Scarecrow is already more scary than Batman is. Batman is largely scary because of the actions and aura, not necessarily the look. At the very least, both should look equally scary under fear gas.

[Sars]

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9320/ledgerno1.jpg

This manip is near flawless, he's gotta look similar to this.

perfect.

[Rynan]

Not necessarily. Why would he be? In appearance, Scarecrow is already more scary than Batman is. Batman is largely scary because of the actions and aura, not necessarily the look. At the very least, both should look equally scary under fear gas.

What's with the equality? Must EVERY villain have the same amount of whatever Batman has?

Batman is just scarier than the scarecrow. Nuff said.

[Orko Is King]

http://www.dermis.net/bilder/CD042/550px/img0016.jpg

[kenellard]

nothing in begins was scary! Where's all this coming from?

[kenellard]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/robin91939/jokerbermejomanip2copyar4.jpg

It just doesn't get much better than this IMO, a fresh take on the joker, yet still keeping his essential physical qualities intact. perfect

[NoName86]

This is not directed at anyone in specific, but it seems to me that some are so picky that you almost ruin the movie for yourself. You really have to understand that this movie has to attract to all kinds. Fans and average viewers, adults as well as kids. I really think Nolan made sound judgements on just about everything in Begins. Actually, my one complaint about Nolan doing the Batman films isn't even so much about the film itself as much as it is about him and marketing. I really get frustrated sometimes because I feel like he is being so secretive to almost seem like there is no sequel coming out at all.

I personally didn't even see Begins in theater because it was on such a down low that I didn't even really know anything about it. I was a mega huge fan back in the day, but ever since the franchise dried up, and I got older, it all went away from me.

My point....he should allow for a tiny bit more publicity for the film. But the movies themselves, I loved it...and i'm sure TDK will be absolutely lovely as i'm one of the few who didn't think so well of the previous adaptation of the Joker. I feel like Heath understand that this role is serious business, and may very well make or break his career because it just such a iconic role. For anyone to think that he isn't taking this seriously is utter non sense, just because he didn't grow up reading about the Joker doesn't mean he doesn't know just how important Joker is to the mythos.

I digress....but I really feel like to nit pick so much gets your hopes up monumentally, and that is ALWAYS a bad thing. I have my boundaries, but I am more than willing to let them add/subtract a bit from the mythos to give us fresh perspective.

Oh, and I highly doubt Joker is going to be walking around in a raggedy old, holy coat with one shoe. I think most are reading too much into it. Perhaps it will just be some old, trashed purple suit he found and uses? I don't know, but I trust Nolan and Ledger understand quite well how important the Joker is, and after doubting Nolan initially when I heard he casted Bale as Batman, and seeing that it was perfect casting..I trust the man, and I think he knows precisely what he is doing. Hell, I didn't even realize Bale had an accent! :woot: Not until someone on here mentioned it...I thought he made up the accent in prestige! Murphy as the scarecrow...excellent. Nesson as Ras....perfect yet again. Oldman as Gordon, loved him and I don't think they could have casted a better Gordon.

Be glad they have comic books folks writing and helping with the movie, and that you have a director that won't even touch a movie unless he nows he can make an excellent movie out of the whole thing. I trust the man...he's given me no reason NOT to.

[Bond]

^ I love that outfit! That's the perfect look for The Joker in TDK IMO.

[NoName86]

And I have a really strong feeling that they will be going for something very familiar. The clothing is subtle, but still the Joker. The face is a more gritty Joker, but still looks like he can mix evil with humor. That smile is evil.

One thing I think is easy to assume is that they will most surely be using something to darken around the eyes, it always gives off a dark, evil feel.

Any of you talented photoshop folks grey his skin a bit to see how it goes over? If this rumor is true then perhaps it may give us a better idea. I really think it will be a mure lighter grey, to the point that it seems white, but it seems more realistic, because I doubt anyones skin would come out perfectly white.

[Agentsands77]

Batman is just scarier than the scarecrow. Nuff said.
Actually it's not, since you give no word as to why that's the case (the important point here), and I certainly disagree.

Batman's certainly more intimidating than the Scarecrow, but that's not the same as scary. I mean, if the Scarecrow's visions are so terrifying they reduce people to shambles, we should really get a sense of that. And we don't. We get a few brief blurry flashes that are hard to make out. Where were the scares, huh?

nothing in begins was scary! Where's all this coming from?
Precisely.

[Agentsands77]

^As far as grey skin goes, it will probably look just like that. A grey-ish skin color will show up white on camera most of the time because of the lighting. It'll just provide much depth as far as shadows go. If you go all-white, it's hard to light the Joker properly enough to give his face depth, because the lighting bleaches it.

[kenellard]

I believe it's one of those irritating fanboy conceits, y'know the whole "demon bats scared the ***** OUT OF ME!!!" or words to that effect. Same goes for the scarecrow scenes, No, it did not scare you, unless you are a very young child, in which case, I'm amazed at your computer skills little fella!

[kenellard]

I like the wrinkles and all in the above drawing, IMO his face shouldn't be "smooth" like B89, that being said I'm not too hot on the whole "scars" angle. once again I'll have to vouch for the manip above, throw that on screen and be done with it

[NoName86]

I really don't see the sense in adding a bunch of scars either, but I suppose i'd have to see what context it is in before I could decide whether I like it or not.

Dammit, can't some concept art or something get leaked or released already. I can't wait till tomm, maybe someone will get lucky and catch something while they are filming.

[Darkest Knight]

As strongly as people feel about the Jokers look, I think that that concept of Scarecrow is far worse. Maybe if it was the mask under the influence of the fear gas, but that is not scarecrow.
Scarecrow under fear gas can look like ANYTHING ... dumb ass. :oldrazz:

[StorminNorman]

But shouldn't Batman be scarier than the scarecrow?

Not to the general audience, IMO.

[The Only Woj]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/robin91939/jokerbermejomanip2copyar4.jpg

It just doesn't get much better than this IMO, a fresh take on the joker, yet still keeping his essential physical qualities intact. perfect

I agree. Black and purple look really nice together. He doesn't need a huge, long nose or, really, any facial manipulation besides the skin tone. I could really go either way with the lips, but the green hair is a must. black coat and purple gloves = great.

[StorminNorman]

I agree with everyone above.

[comic_guy04]

Yeah I agree as well, that's a bad ass joker. YOU HEAR THAT NOLAN CHECK THIS **** OUT.

[Nepenthes]

unless you can remove yourself from a fanboy perspective there's no point in this kind of discussion


NoName86 I agree with all of that, especially the marketing. BB never really became a movie 'event'. But maybe that was on purpose. I dunno.

[Cronus]

Black and purple is perfect!!!

[Shedhut]

Well, firstly, that's hardly a universal rule. And of course they shouldn't have overdone it, but they weren't even close to overdoing it. They were underdoing it, by a significant amount. They could have shown a bit more and it would have had more impact, if you ask me.

I mean, what we saw from Scarecrow wasn't scary. We saw some flashes of some stuff, but it wasn't scary. Hell, Demon Batman was creepier than any of the Scarecrow stuff, and that just ain't right.

I totally agree with you. Especially after having read the script my own assumed cinematography was hardly served.
Where was the winged monster Batman was described to appear as in the script. I was hoping for something more terrifying:csad: (especially in the Narrows-scenes in the end. I really wanted to slap someone for that crappy glowing Batman).



nothing in begins was scary! Where's all this coming from?


from hyped kids :o


I might as well state that according to what happened to my expectations with Begins I'm a little scared TDK's elements wont play out as well as we all hope. In order to avoid disappointment i decided to lower my expectations to be surprised when the final product indeed kicks all sorts of ehzzz.

[NoName86]

I really cannot say enough though how much I wished they would make the Joker like this.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201206&page=164

Scroll down to "BatmanEVH" post, and look at that picture, I would die of happiness if he looked like that, but I don't think he will.

I can see him busting out of the school bus with his suit on like the one in that picture, spinning around with his hands in the air, presenting himself in such a hyper fashion to all his hostages, and just laughing away. Being both quirky and insane! Being the Joker. His cheeks are enhanced a bit, and the eyes darkened, but it's surely nothing hard for the Nolan team to pull off. I know Ledger is gonna nail the psychology, he's said everything you would expect one who understand the Joker to say. That look would just top it off.

[Darkness Falls]

The way I see it - TDK will begin with Batman (as in BB) at top (rooftops), Joker at the bottom (lower levels), in rags. As the film progresses, the Joker ascends (in both power and appearance), whilst Batman begins to fall. It's the classic hero-villain dynamic, played visually.[/quote]



Couldn't put it better myself

[Steelsheen]

Originally posted on BOF.com

Monday, April 13, 2007 - 6:42 AM CENTRAL TIME: This comes from our source "Slappy The White Clown Prince." It comes from him secondhand, so take with a grain of salt. I can't reveal how he acquired this info, but I will say the has provided BOF was solid news in the past. According to him:

* The Joker will have gray skin with lot's of scarring.

* The Joker's costume will be raggedy (This may confirm the info BOF got a long while ago saying that his costume will look as if it was something he put together one piece at a time).

* He's going to look damn scary, not clownish.

There is also some scuttlebutt that Warner Bros. will reveal The Joker soon -- like this summer -- to head off any bootleg pictures of Heath Ledger in costume that could pop up online.


hmmm, i like it, i like it a lot.:up:

[bane]

my new joker manip:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8603/joker1fs8.jpg

[RedIsNotBlue]

Wouldn't be so bad if he didn't look like he was about to say DRAW!

[itsthebatman]

He looks very happy. Now go for your gun!

[ghost_x]

Scarecrow under fear gas can look like ANYTHING ... dumb ass. :oldrazz:

hence the fact I said it 'is not' scarecrow unless someone was under the fear gas...moron :cwink:

[ghost_x]

my new joker manip:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8603/joker1fs8.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/f/fa/ClintEastwood.JPG

'do you feel lucky?'

[Hunter Rider]

my new joker manip:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8603/joker1fs8.jpgawesome :up:

[Miranda Fox]

my new joker manip:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8603/joker1fs8.jpg

I don't care what anyone else says - I think it's great! :up:

[Nepenthes]

It is very good.

If you crop it above the waist it's much better tho :cwink:

[hannya]

Yes me too, I like the threads! I'm hoping that the reason we have yet to see a convincing Ledger manip is not that his face is fundamentally un-Jokerable...
If they'd just listened to me and gone with Ryan Gosling there wouldn't have been an issue!

[Hunter Rider]

I don't care what anyone else says - I think it's great! :up:

Reminds me of the outfit tonal colour of Ross' Joker in Justice

Hey Miranda:yay:

[Muziko]

It's not a bad manip at all... and maybe he is getting ready to draw a pistol: the famous "BANG!" Flag pistol. LoL

Good job Bane!

[kenellard]

Yes me too, I like the threads! I'm hoping that the reason we have yet to see a convincing Ledger manip is not that his face is fundamentally un-Jokerable...
If they'd just listened to me and gone with Ryan Gosling there wouldn't have been an issue!

I don't think his face is un-jokerable, though it would be nice to hear he's had to loose weight for the role, something I haven't heard. Another essential Joker characteristic is him being tall and skinny, so I hope ledger's been hitting the slimfast

[Miranda Fox]

Reminds me of the outfit tonal colour of Ross' Joker in Justice

Hey Miranda:yay:

Hey Hunter. :)

[bane]

:D Actually i used Neo's body from the "Revolutions" poster, thanks about the comments everybody!

[Van Petrol]

^ Awesome Joker manip bane! :up:

[The Guard]

Am the only one who thinks that that black jacket makes the Joker look that much less interesting precisely because it isn't purple? His head looks fine, but I look at the all-black in juxtaposition with the rest and it just looks...odd.

[The Guard]

Edited.

[Closerframe]

I dont know if these were already posted...

Gotham Bank
http://www.superherohype.com/nextraimages/chitowncobblepotset1.jpg



Jokers School Bus :joker:
http://www.superherohype.com/nextraimages/chitowncobblepotset2.jpg

[Hunter Rider]

Hey Hunter. :)#

It's great to see things moving,i gotta catch up on the bank robbery thread:D

I hope we get the pic of the joker in the Summer at comic con as rumoured:hyper:

[Miranda Fox]

#

It's great to see things moving,i gotta catch up on the bank robbery thread:D

I hope we get the pic of the joker in the Summer at comic con as rumoured:hyper:

That would be fantastic. :up:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

personally any shot of him as the joker is going to be gold!

[Miranda Fox]

personally any shot of him as the joker is going to be gold!

This is true.

[blud_knight]

i'm sure they are waiting for a good time to show the joker, comic con would be the perfect place.

[regwec]

I do agree, in a sense. It appears to be a popular view of comic artists of the 40s that they simply didn't know what they were doing. I would contend that they had a profound understanding of the methods by which mood, shape and light could be conveyed by a few bold lines and a considered array of flat colour. They made The Joker white, green and purple because the colours work together very well.

[Ryan227]

Man not only are the Hype boards out of control but with a week and a half until finals at my school, school has gotten out of control too. So much to catch up on.........

Can't wait for an official pic of Heath as Joker......I have a feeling its gonna blow us away!

[Hunter Rider]

That would be fantastic. :up:

Agreed,i really want the first shot of him to be an official pic with proper lighting and such rather than a paparazzi snap of heath walking on set surrounded by crew and props

[regwec]

Batman is just scarier than the scarecrow. Nuff said.

Oh, really? I suppose that Batman is stronger than Bane, more maleable than Clayface, and has better boobs than Catwoman, too?

[Rynan]

Oh, really? I suppose that Batman is stronger than Bane, more maleable than Clayface, and has better boobs than Catwoman, too?

Yes.:cwink:

[66 Face]

Grey Skin is fine, They've already done the white, clean skin, perma smile with Nicholson. Having JOker be a little more disfigured and monsterous this time around will be fresh.

http://freespace.virgin.net/clive.walker1/images/hushgentleman_225x375.jpg

You cant tell me thats not scary and JOkerish.

Let's not forget that the Joker (translated into reality) wouldnt look like he was wearing white makeup and lipstick. He has nerve damage, and chemically altered skin color (burns) that incidentally make him resemble a nightmarish version of a clown. He should look less like a clown and more like a monster in my opinion.I would be OK if the Joker looked one part like this and one part Dead End. I've always wanted the Arkham Asylum Joker anyway.
http://cobweb.scarymonsters.net/~corleyj/images/mush/toeat.jpg

[Comicfan]

Totally agree with this - we've already seen the "clownish" Joker twice in live-action, and it's time for a more real, dramatic, and scary character.

I will call it right now - it's going to be like the hilarious SR costume debates last year - fans that can't handle ANY change at all will be pissed. More open minded fans that realize what the word ADAPTATION means will be fine - as long as the character itself is intact.

:up::woot: :up:

[Shedhut]

Jokers School Bus :joker:
http://www.superherohype.com/nextraimages/chitowncobblepotset2.jpg


I swear your tagline actually makes me enjoy looking at this picture of...well...a school bus:ninja:

[mrsparkle]

seeing as that other guy posted his manip im going to shamelessly do the same :ninja:

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i234/mrsparckle/joker8.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i234/mrsparckle/twoguys.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i234/mrsparckle/bankjoke.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i234/mrsparckle/downjoke.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i234/mrsparckle/jokershower.gif

[Muziko]

personally any shot of him as the joker is going to be gold!

Oh yeah... It's crazy how anxious I am to see the final look. By "final" I mean how Heath Ledger looks as the Joker period. Not how he looks by the end of the movie (if in fact he does change his looks through the movie as has been speculated on this board ) I'm still thinkin' that it's not going to be something so radical that it'll just not be the Joker...I think we'll still be able to identify him clearly as the Joker.

[Agentsands77]

Mrsparkle, your manips are well-done, but just a little too subdued. He just looks like a dude with extra pale skin, rather than a guy with a particularly frightening visage (and the script indicates he's going to have have a very striking look).

[Lead Cenobite]

There is no indication that Nolan will screw up the Joker, though anything is possible. The basis for the characterization of his Joker makes me very very anxious. I guarantee you that Nolan's Joker will make everyone forget Nichlson's

Sickeningly blind faith, gotta love it. :woot:

[SilentType]

Sickeningly blind faith, gotta love it.

Not blind faith. There is evidence and past work to go on. Faith, yes. Blind, no.

[raybia]

Not blind faith. There is evidence and past work to go on. Faith, yes. Blind, no.

Thanks for backing me up. Cannot put it any better. :cwink:

[Miranda Fox]

Didn't you know, raybia? If you have faith in Nolan then you're clearly deluded. Lord Cenobite said so. :/

[raybia]

Didn't you know, raybia? If you have faith in Nolan then you're clearly deluded. Lord Cenobite said so. :/

Yeah evidently. But pizza - now, pizza I have enormous faith for.

[Rynan]

Yeah evidently. But pizza - now, pizza I have enormous faith for.

You are one with the squirrels.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/4421/pizzajr9.jpg

[BatScot]

If you have faith in Nolan then you're clearly deluded.To paraphrase an old saying about the faithful: Nolan is alright, it's the Nolanites that are the problem ;)

[Miranda Fox]

To paraphrase an old saying about the faithful: Nolan is alright, it's the Nolanites that are the problem ;)

...I'm trying to figure out if I was just insulted or not. :dry:

[General Vulcun]

More on Joker's look:

More on The Joker's (possible) look for TDK. A good friend -- who is also one of those "industry insiders" -- told BOF today that the earlier report on The Joker's look sounds "...about right. I know they want to do something different. I've also heard that The Joker from THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS could have a big influence on how he [TDK's Joker] ends up looking."

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

[Rynan]

Okay, that's it. I'm taking anymore of these "insider" sources seriously. First we get homeless scarred joker, now the DKR apathetic Joker. Two reports on the Joker's appearance when forums are ablaze about Ledger in Chicago? What are the odds?:whatever:

I smell fake information.

[slappy]

I stand by the fact that the designs in the initial report weren't used as the final look. But that doesn't mean that elements of that design didn't end up in the final one. Today's report is indicative that that's indeed the case.

[BatScot]

...I'm trying to figure out if I was just insulted or not.To paraphrase again (sorry, I feel thematic this evening): Begins is not the revelation of the uncreated film that exists in heaven ab eterno.

[Bond]

More on Joker's look:

More on The Joker's (possible) look for TDK. A good friend -- who is also one of those "industry insiders" -- told BOF today that the earlier report on The Joker's look sounds "...about right. I know they want to do something different. I've also heard that The Joker from THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS could have a big influence on how he [TDK's Joker] ends up looking."

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html
I've always loved how The Joker looked in TDKR, but hated the way he was written.

[NoName86]

Could someone pretttyyy please post pictures out of the TDKR comic!?! I never read/seen the comic, and I have no clue what that Joker is like.

Or at least direct all of us who haven't seen the comic to a page about the comic with pics.

[Bond]

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/tdk_joker2.jpg

[Xan-El]

I would actually love to see the Joker look like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/robin91939/jokerbermejomanip2copyar4.jpg

-R

:joker:This looks really good and looks similar to the Joker from
TDKR which is what I'm hearing is the basis of the Joker in TDK movie.
I really believe Heath will look like that in the movie...:joker:

[Agentsands77]

More on Joker's look:

More on The Joker's (possible) look for TDK. A good friend -- who is also one of those "industry insiders" -- told BOF today that the earlier report on The Joker's look sounds "...about right. I know they want to do something different. I've also heard that The Joker from THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS could have a big influence on how he [TDK's Joker] ends up looking."

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html
Well, interesting. Seems like those afraid of the Joker's look being different than the comic book one is confirmed, though I'm kind of interested as to how THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS look could play into it. Me, I'm in a wait-and-see mode. I know what I think is Joker-ish and what isn't, and it all depends. I mean, I'd be fine with something like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Agentsands77/joker2ge1nx.jpg

[raybia]

Well, interesting. Seems like those afraid of the Joker's look being different than the comic book one is confirmed, though I'm kind of interested as to how THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS look could play into it. Me, I'm in a wait-and-see mode. I know what I think is Joker-ish and what isn't, and it all depends. I mean, I'd be fine with something like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Agentsands77/joker2ge1nx.jpg

God that would be so perfect.

[The Only Woj]

what he looks like, Nolan's Joker > Story's "Purple Cloud or whatever" Galactus

[raybia]

what he looks like, Nolan's Joker > Story's "Purple Cloud or whatever" Galactus


Oh definitely.

By the way, what kind of bull s*** is that? Somebody needs their a** whipped! :dry:

[L.A.]

Could someone pretttyyy please post pictures out of the TDKR comic!?! I never read/seen the comic, and I have no clue what that Joker is like.

Or at least direct all of us who haven't seen the comic to a page about the comic with pics.
I seconded that.

[Agentsands77]

THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS Joker is shown right here:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11541423&postcount=230

[NoName86]

Well I really can see Ledger's facial structure in the TDKR's Joker. First thing I noticed.

[Dirt Like Me]

:joker:This looks really good and looks similar to the Joker from
TDKR which is what I'm hearing is the basis of the Joker in TDK movie.
I really believe Heath will look like that in the movie...:joker:

Sorry, man, but I have to disagree. I don't see much similarity between this pic and the Miller/DKR Joker. With the skin texture and whatnot, this Joker is much more grotesque than the DKR version, where he looks more or less normal (i.e. he's not scarred) but with white skin and green hair.

As for what we'll see on screen: I'd say it's anybody's guess. Earlier this week I was mentally preparing for a gray, heavily scarred Joker who dressed like a vagrant. Now the BOF rumor is like the DKR depiction, which has no scarring and is well-dressed. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see.

[Miranda Fox]

Well, interesting. Seems like those afraid of the Joker's look being different than the comic book one is confirmed, though I'm kind of interested as to how THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS look could play into it. Me, I'm in a wait-and-see mode. I know what I think is Joker-ish and what isn't, and it all depends. I mean, I'd be fine with something like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Agentsands77/joker2ge1nx.jpg

That's not entirely true - in TDKR, Joker was pretty well dressed, not raggedy. And that was the only part that bugged me about the look info. :)

[raybia]

Again, I don't have a problem is he is initially presented as raggedy if its a part of the story and he evolves into the iconic version of the Joker in the comics.

I know that the Joker has come a long way from his initial appearance in Batman #1 in 1940. I wish I could read it. Doesn't anyone know how the Joker was presented in his characterization and appearance?

[Batman jr.]

As long as he acts & looks like Joker, no problem.

But I hope they don't change too much, after all it's an iconic character, to say the least.

[Miranda Fox]

Again, I don't have a problem is he is initially presented as raggedy if its a part of the story and he evolves into the iconic version of the Joker in the comics.

I know that the Joker has come a long way from his initial appearance in Batman #1 in 1940. I wish I could read it. Doesn't anyone know how the Joker was presented in his characterization and appearance?

If you PM me, I can tell you where you can read a copy for yourself. ;)

[Miranda Fox]

Well, from what we've seen from shooting, he's pretty well dressed so it looks like no vagrant Joker, thank god. :woot:

[Dirt Like Me]

Well, from what we've seen from shooting, he's pretty well dressed so it looks like no vagrant Joker, thank god. :woot:

:up: Amen to that.

[itsthebatman]

Again, I don't have a problem is he is initially presented as raggedy if its a part of the story and he evolves into the iconic version of the Joker in the comics.

I know that the Joker has come a long way from his initial appearance in Batman #1 in 1940. I wish I could read it. Doesn't anyone know how the Joker was presented in his characterization and appearance?

It's reprinted in Batman Chronicles #1 and The Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told. The basic storyline involves him killing prominent members of Gotham and stealing their jewels. He announces the deaths beforehand, on radio in this case. It's a plot device picked up several times since, in the Englehart/Rogers run ('tec ~475 - 476 I think). LOTDK #50 (Images) and The Man Who Laughs. I think 'Images' is a much overlooked Joker story, takes classic elements and works them into a clever tale.
This is from Batman #1.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/1d/180px-Joker2.jpg
And a link:
http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/batman/joker-batman01.jpg

[regwec]

Well, from what we've seen from shooting, he's pretty well dressed so it looks like no vagrant Joker, thank god. :woot:

LAUS DEO

[regwec]

So, another anonymous "insider" agrees that The Joker will have grey skin and ragged clothes, which he says is derrived heavily from 'The Dark Knight Returns', in which The Joker has white skin, a very dapper suit, and gives more attention to his appearance than in any other comic.

Some of these people shouldn't be given the oxygen even of slight regard.

[slappy]

I never heard anything about The Dark Knight Returns having anything to do with the look, I doubt that's true.

[Caliber]

I don't think based on what a insider says it could be true. It will be a long wait until a real pic of Joker.

[Closerframe]

This was on BOF

"My son and I just returned from our second visit to the post office set this week and were fortunate enough to see Chris Nolan and Heath Ledger.

We got there in time for - what appeared to be - a bank robbery scene. There were a few clown-masked goons with pistols and machine guns, some gunfire, and screaming from the bank 'staff' and 'customers.' The next scene was a clown-masked character holding a pistol on a group of people. After the scene - or maybe it's part of it(?) - he takes off his mask and I'm 99% sure it was Ledger and definitely WITHOUT Joker makeup. Nolan was visible through the window sporting a long black coat and appeared to be moving very quickly. Couldn't get off any pics as they had some pretty strong lights pointing in our direction, probably just for that reason.

Production wrapped at around 7:30 CT. That's all for now, I'll continue to keep you posted."

[Closerframe]

William Fichtner is playing the Bank Manager...

[pictaker]

Just took some pics from the set at the old chicago post office. I think its Heath Ledger, not sure. Green hair and similar hairlines. What do you guys think?

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01426.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/closeup2.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/Closeup.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01439.jpg

[regwec]

Good lord, you're right. Be honest- has the hair been subsequently tinted? If not- then we have green hair!

[mrsparkle]

You are God.

[pictaker]

Pics are original, no modifications!!

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Just took some pics from the set at the old chicago post office. I think its Heath Ledger, not sure. Green hair and similar hairlines. What do you guys think?

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01426.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/closeup2.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/Closeup.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01439.jpg


I don't know about the fellow with the green do, but nice shots of the clown masks. :up: How did you get these pics, if you don't mind? That jacket kinda looks purple in the sunlight!

[dark_b]

pictaker i saw a lot of people doing a lot of mean stuff. you really didnt do this with photoshop? are those hes real hair?

yeah baby. ledger with green hair ;)

WB now realese a pic we already saw him hehehehhe.

[Octoberist]

Just took some pics from the set at the old chicago post office. I think its Heath Ledger, not sure. Green hair and similar hairlines. What do you guys think?

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01426.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/closeup2.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/Closeup.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01439.jpg


god..thank you! My god these are good shots!

[Cobblepot]

****...

[itsthebatman]

Pictaker, well done. Great stuff. That does look like Ledger to me all right. Green hair - yippee!

[Cobblepot]

I like the way the walk away with the masks, facing our way.

[dark_b]

hes lips are very dark. i guey the colour will be like supermans red ;)

[Octoberist]

I like the way the walk away with the masks, facing our way.

who knew? haha

[Boss]

Oh jesus christ. I so believe in those pictures. holy ****. DAMN! YIPPIE! :D

[fabman]

Awesome Pix!!!!

[fabman]

Awesome Pix!!!!

[Caliboy]

im hoping that's the suit he wears in the movie! thanks pictaker!!

[arcangel]

Wow!!!!!!!

Green hair, pasty/greyish skin color, dark purple jacket and shirt.
All we need is a sinister smile and this is the Joker everyone wanted!!

[regwec]

His complexion also has a lot less pigmentation that the woman next to him. I am so pleased with this- if somebody faked this, then I shall cyber-bomb them.

- Green hair
- Pale skin
- Dapper suit

It's all there. It's subtle, and it's all in bright sunlight, but all the elements are there. Thank the gods that he isn't a grey tramp!

[Cobblepot]

Wish you had a better camera.
After Nolan finds out about this, the set will be even more closed I'm afraid.

[Boss]

i really love how he wears the trenchcoat. Physically, he's looking very DKR, the only difference may be the hair and age though :D

[Rynan]

This is some good spy work. The best so far.

[StorminNorman]

Goddamn it, you better run pictaker, because I soo wanna Cyber Hump You!

[Nepenthes]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g74/ngorsh01/applause1.gif

[Edenbeast]

Just took some pics from the set at the old chicago post office. I think its Heath Ledger, not sure. Green hair and similar hairlines. What do you guys think?

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01426.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/closeup2.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/Closeup.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01439.jpg


WOW F****** WOW

awesome job mate :up: :up:

[Hunter Rider]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/closeup2.jpg

[arty2]

WHOA!! great scoop! but but it still looks like Ledger with green hair and black lipstick, not as dramatic as I was hoping would see. Pictaker UDAMAN!! but shouldn't you have sold it to the tabloids first and get some mulah??

[pictaker]

Here are 2 more. Not face shots though. But still, Green Hair!!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01429.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01424.jpg

[Nepenthes]

the photos are real. Nice one pictaker!


we can expect an official image soon right? within a week at most i bet

[Batcomputer]

You're the greatest! Thanks for the great spy-pics. Do you have more?

[wikum]

woohoo, our first pic of heath as the joker. i doubt thats him in full makeup though.

[uchiha_itachi]

:wow: first glimpse the hair looks good

[McGarnagle]

Wow. Well done, Pictaker. :up:

[Silver Souper]

unbelievable! dude nice job! WHAT a scoop!

[D.P.]

:wow:

[Silver Souper]

This was on BOF

"My son and I just returned from our second visit to the post office set this week and were fortunate enough to see Chris Nolan and Heath Ledger.

We got there in time for - what appeared to be - a bank robbery scene. There were a few clown-masked goons with pistols and machine guns, some gunfire, and screaming from the bank 'staff' and 'customers.' The next scene was a clown-masked character holding a pistol on a group of people. After the scene - or maybe it's part of it(?) - he takes off his mask and I'm 99% sure it was Ledger and definitely WITHOUT Joker makeup. Nolan was visible through the window sporting a long black coat and appeared to be moving very quickly. Couldn't get off any pics as they had some pretty strong lights pointing in our direction, probably just for that reason.

Production wrapped at around 7:30 CT. That's all for now, I'll continue to keep you posted."

the picture tells us that mr. dad n son was wrong, or ledger's face wasn't on camera during that shot.

[fabman]

I... LUV YA, my friend, I LUV YA!!!!

[wikum]

expect these pics to be all over the internet in about 5 mins. u should have taken them to the press you fool!

[itsthebatman]

the picture tells us that mr. dad n son was wrong, or ledger's face wasn't on camera during that shot.

He was only 99% sure. It's the 1% that trips you up.

[Silver Souper]

ahah :)

[slappy]

AMAZING work pictaker :)

[Eddie Dean]

Wow, looks great! :up:

[Gold Samurai]

i already reloaded them on to another imageshack just incase pictaker has to take down his

[superkong 500]

Great pics I hope we get a close-up pic of ledger soon enough

[slappy]

I love seeing Heath standing there with that posture and his arms folded behind him, he seems so assured and in character. He's going to be fantastic.

[SimpleHero82]

AHHHH YAY!!!!!!!!!!! He's yeah. The Joker.

Where does he get those wonderful pics?

[Agentsands77]

Looking good, Ledger. Can't wait for a better pic, though... but this seems good enough to debunk the idea that the Joker would be looking nothing like his counterpart in the comics.

[regwec]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01439.jpg


All but the mask at the top right are clownish in the traditional sense. That mask is plain and unadorned, in an anatomiacally accurate human shape. The box also contains a pair of black gloves, seemingly. I bet this is what Heath wears in the bank.

[ToddIsDead]

All but the mask at the top right are clownish in the traditional sense. That mask is plain and unadorned, in an anatomiacally accurate human shape. The box also contains a pair of black gloves, seemingly. I bet this is what Heath wears in the bank.

It looks more like a hat on a mannequin head to me. . .

[Grinder]

HOLY CRAP! I bet Nolan will put some snipers up the roofs once he sees those pics floating the net!

Nice job, anyway!!!

[Rynan]

A comparison.
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/4780/jokercompie3.jpg

[Rynan]

It looks more like a hat on a mannequin head to me. . .

Actually, looking at it, I think the clown mask is under the gloves. I see an ear.

[fabman]

You're right, Rynan!

[regwec]

Some toymaker with half a brain needs to sell replicas of those masks.

[Rynan]

Some toymaker with half a brain needs to sell replicas of those masks.

What they need to do is sell action figures of the goons, like they should have done with the ninjas.

[SilentType]

WB should release an official Joker photo now. I thought they were going to try to preempt any leaked photos. I guess they underestimated the skills of the bat fans.


Those masks freak me out. I hate clowns.

[Orko Is King]

A comparison.
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/4780/jokercompie3.jpg

SKEET!!!:wow:

[regwec]

I have this twitch in my eyebrow that tells me that The Guard will shortly descend to tell us how dreadful it all is. It's comforting, in a way.

[McGarnagle]

A comparison.
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/4780/jokercompie3.jpg

I dig. :up:

[Silver Souper]

I have this twitch in my eyebrow that tells me that The Guard will shortly descend to tell us how dreadful it all is. It's comforting, in a way.

ahahah the photo does look very 'the dark knight returns' joker

[Darkest Knight]

What they need to do is sell action figures of the goons, like they should have done with the ninjas.
If a toy consumer were smart, he could've made the ninjas quite easily. I took the series 2 Bruce (which comes with the ninja mask), bought 4 of them, and with the Knight Staff Batman came the goggles the Ninja wear in the final battle in BEGINS. Put that over your ninja mask and viola ... ninjas from the Final scene of BEGINS. I'll post pics for you.

Anyway, I'm sure you can find similar masks to those clown ones in a costume shop. I'd want an exact replica though. So don't get me wrong.

I have a feeling Ledger is going to shine in this role, and it will be his big break. Since he doesn't normally play such charismatic, extrovert people ... it will be really interesting. Love the similar look to the Bob Kane -era Joker.

[ToddIsDead]

Actually, looking at it, I think the clown mask is under the gloves. I see an ear.

You might be right. It's hard to tell. I wish these pictures were just a tad closer or clearer.

[Darkest Knight]

I have this twitch in my eyebrow that tells me that The Guard will shortly descend to tell us how dreadful it all is. It's comforting, in a way.
You know how he hates giving the 'new guy' props. More specifically, Nolan and any of their creations.

:dry:

[Gold Samurai]

great work pictaker you successfully evaded the wb ninjas

can't wait for a clearer shot. right now heath looks like a guy in drag with the lipstick but no Prosthetics applied yet

[Miranda Fox]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! You are made of awesome!

*breathes sigh of relief*

BTW, am I crazy, or does that woman look like Maggie that he's chatting to?

[StorminNorman]

You are crazy - but I do not know if that is NOT Maggie, FWIW.

[itsthebatman]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! You are made of awesome!

*breathes sigh of relief*

BTW, am I crazy, or does that woman look like Maggie that he's chatting to?

You're crazy. Sorry to have to tell ya. But it's best you know.

[SilentType]

BTW, am I crazy, or does that woman look like Maggie that he's chatting to?
Your totally bats**t.

[raybia]

It could be Maggie.

[ToddIsDead]

I'm sure it's just some random PA or something.

[Darkest Knight]

What they need to do is sell action figures of the goons, like they should have done with the ninjas.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/DSC00831.jpg

[wikum]

those masks are fricking cool. exactly what i hoped for.

heath looks almost identical to how i imagined him to look, except maybe not as white as i thought he would be....he looks pale but not WHITE if you get me.

i am one happy wikum.

it would be cool if the joker himself smoked too..no?

[fabman]

The hair is green, just look at that pic where you can just see his hair. And, the light's not good enough to see if his skin is white or just pale, but it gives you an idea of how this Joker will be - and also that he'll have green hair and that he looks like the Joker!

[Rynan]

If a toy consumer were smart, he could've made the ninjas quite easily.

But the fact remains that they didn't make Ninja action figures and while your idea does solves the ninja problem, I wouldn't expect a child to be able to do that(unless he was, like, determined and was the kid of Macgyver). Instead, kids where given two versions of the scarecrow, on Ducard and one Ras al Ghoul. With a millions variants of Batman, that left the villain department kinda short staffed.

Which was lame.

[raybia]

Nolan's gonna be pissed. It shouldn't have been this easy.

[sasquatchs]

He actually looks quite physically formidable in that suit, which is great. If he has a habit of robbing banks and using physical violence he probably won't be a complete pushover for Batman, which is fine with me. As long as his main weapon is wit.

[NoName86]

Two reasons why I don't think Mr. Ledger is in full attire there.

1. He mentioned that the action figure was too scary for kids, I highly doubt it's just a slight white skin complexion and green hair that will be too overwhelming for kids.

AND

2. It actually looks like he's done some filming and he relaxed, having a cigarette. His hair looks a bit messed up like it's been a long day, and it is rather late in the day now so it makes me think they have already filmed.


I think there is more.

[Miranda Fox]

You're crazy. Sorry to have to tell ya. But it's best you know.

Ah, well. Sucks to me. :woot:

[sasquatchs]

Is it me or has Joker got the worlds smallest nose in that picture?

[Batty Belfry]

I blew up pictaker's (thank you!!!) pic to about 4096px and added about 30-35% contrast, and when I zoom in, it looks like he's wearing eyebrow and nose prosthetics...

[Rynan]

Is it me or has Joker got the worlds smallest nose in that picture?

I think it's just the quality of the picture(no offense to the photographer).

[Bond]

I blew up pictaker's (thank you!!!) pic to about 4096px and added about 30-35% contrast, and when I zoom in, it looks like he's wearing eyebrow and nose prosthetics...
Can you post the pic?

[Dark Knight]

Pictaker, well done. Great stuff. That does look like Ledger to me all right. Green hair - yippee!


Yeah....that definitely looks like Ledger alright. The receding hairline gives it away.....

[Batty Belfry]

Can you post the pic?

Yeah, still messing with it, gimme a few minutes...BRB

[itsthebatman]

Ah, well. Sucks to me. :woot:

Sucks to be you? I doubt that very much.
You rule, yes you do.:up:

[Bond]

Aight. :)

[wikum]

i know due to the pics its hard to tell but has anyone noticed heath has no eyebrows?

[Rynan]

i know due to the pics its hard to tell but has anyone noticed heath has no eyebrows?

I don't know. I think it's the quality of the photo(again no offense to the photographer).

[Macphisto]

Two reasons why I don't think Mr. Ledger is in full attire there.

1. He mentioned that the action figure was too scary for kids, I highly doubt it's just a slight white skin complexion and green hair that will be too overwhelming for kids.

I think it was Sky Showbiz that reported this without an actual quote from Ledger. Never, ever trust Sky Showbiz - 90 per cent of their "exclusives" are pure bull****. Good for a laugh, though.

[Batty Belfry]

Okay, uploading now and typing!

I went nutz trying to bring out the details here. I think I did pretty good!

Ledger's lips are not this pouty in real life, nor are his eyebrows shaped as we see here. Nor is his nose shaped like this. If you look closely ( and I tried to bring it out in the photo) there are distinct lines around his eyebrows.

Work away folks! In some bizarre way, he reminds me of the Shroud Of Turin!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/Sava_Fett/LedgerJoker.jpg

[IamtheBatman]

He looks like a freakin zombie.

[Miranda Fox]

I gotta say, for a minute or two, I was really kind of worried about how Mistah J would look.

Now I can relax and be happy that he looks like Joker, and not some weirdo vagrant who happens to be called 'Joker.'

Nolan, I'll never doubt you again. :csad:

[NoName86]

Holy crap, he is wearing prosthetics. Even as fuzzy as the pic is there, his facial structure is not normal.

[IamtheBatman]

Finally, the clown prince of crime has arrived.

[Bond]

Nice work, man. I can see what you are talking about... and I like it. Gives him a rougher look. Kinda like that cartoon picture of The Joker that we decided we'd love to see in TDK:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/robin91939/jokerbermejomanip2copyar4.jpg

[Batty Belfry]

Ah, well. Sucks to me. :woot:

NEIN!

I live so long as you wish it!!! :cwink: :woot:

[sasquatchs]

His face doesn't look as boxy as usual, chin prosthetic?

[Darkest Knight]

Holy crap, he is wearing prosthetics. Even as fuzzy as the pic is there, his facial structure is not normal.
You are correct sir. Someone should outline the obvious facial features in that pic. I see a big nose, weird lines around the eyebrows. A furrowed brow, a square-jaw ... he looks freaky.

[Batty Belfry]

Thanks Mr. Bond! I love that pic you posted, If he turns out looking that I will be happy!

[Keyser Soze]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!

This has made my day! Finally get a look at The Joker! And although we don't really have much in the way of detail here, the basics seem to be in place. I'm a happy camper.

Much thanks to pictaker for posting the pics, and Barry Belfry for working so hard to give us an enhanced image.

Now...release the official pics Warner Bros!

[IamtheBatman]

You know with Nolan he might be playing with us and will throw us a a changeup. And make the Joker look a lot different.

[Batty Belfry]

Hey, thanks Keyser, but I only did 3 minutes of work, lol. I may spend some real time this evening messing with it, trying to really bring it out. I'll see if I can.

BTW, Is it just me, or does he have the expression of somebody who is smelling dog crap, but can't tell where it's coming from? :woot:

I wonder if he noticed Pictaker taking the photo and think to himself, wtf is he doing up there?

[He-Man]

http://costumezone.com/images%2Fproducts%2Fr%2Fru4189-item.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/Sava_Fett/LedgerJoker.jpg

[NoName86]

His face doesn't look as boxy as usual, chin prosthetic? That is very obvious. His chin is surely different.

[Rynan]

I don't know. Now he looks more like Solomon Grundy.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/solomongrundy2.jpg

[Miranda Fox]

You know with Nolan he might be playing with us and will throw us a a changeup. And make the Joker look a lot different.

Possibly, but considering all the security around those trailers (Darkest Knight described it and, trust me, pictaker is a genius for getting these photos) why would he bother?

This might not be the entire look but I think it's pretty close. And it's good enough for me. :)

[Dark Knight]

Nice work, man. I can see what you are talking about... and I like it. Gives him a rougher look. Kinda like that cartoon picture of The Joker that we decided we'd love to see in TDK:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/robin91939/jokerbermejomanip2copyar4.jpg


If he looks anything like this or is portrayed in this type of fashion in the film.....it would be sweet!

[IamtheBatman]

I wish some could clean the ledger pic up. But, yeah they must have added something more to his face.

[NoName86]

Another thing to. I almost figured he would have to look a bit creepy, as even if that whole quote from him about the action figure is BS, then you still got the side. Eveybody in the sides seems to be a bit horrified by his look, and the smile seems to be what they recall too. "What do you remember?......His smile" :-D Awesome! He looks super pissed and evil in that picture.

[IamtheBatman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/robin91939/jokerbermejomanip2copyar4.jpg

I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS LOOK!

[Boom]

What's up with the hair? There's obviously green in it, but you can also see patches of Ledger's normal hair.

[Batty Belfry]

Hey, IMO I think Ledger is whistling in the photo.....That sort of activity makes you pucker like that and pushes your chin muscles forward...

BTW I did sharpen it a bit. Anymore than I did made it a jumbled mess.

[Rynan]

What's up with the hair? There's obviously green in it, but you can also see patches of Ledger's normal hair.

Quality of the picture, blah blah blah, no offense to photo guy, blah blah blah etc. etc.

[Bond]

What's up with the hair? There's obviously green in it, but you can also see patches of Ledger's normal hair.

Maybe he's just been filming all day with his hair like that and its starting to wear out?

[Muziko]

For some reason I'm thinkin' that's not the "final" version. Maybe it's because of the resolution? (I'm not complaining about it - I'm happy we even got that shot to begin with). I will say that his hair - although green - doesn't quite satisfy me... it kinda looks like a green dye job that's starting to lose it's color... like the natural color roots are starting to show. Could it be part of the whole "realism" bit, where we wouldn't see a Joker with a head of thick, pure green hair? Who knows... Either way, it does look like The Joker...
Cambio y Fuera,
Muziko

[Batty Belfry]

Well he is standing in direct sunlight, and Ledger's hair is kindof thin to begin with... Under studio lights, he would look different.

[NoName86]

Jacket looks green too.

[Bond]

^ Most hair coloring does dye out. Maybe it's just worn out from wearing it for a while.

[TheBat812]

slightly better version, I just played with the levels to determine what were the colors. Looks like darkish green hair with pale face and dark red lips. Looks ****ingn perfect. Hopefully this means i was wrong about a Joker backstory. coloring actually reminds me a bit of my manip at the top of the page.

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9163/jokerrelightfv8.jpg

[Bond]

It looks more like a very dark blue to me.

[NoName86]

Well, I think it is looking really freaking awesome personally.

[TheBat812]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/robin91939/jokerbermejomanip2copyar4.jpg

I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS LOOK!
glad you guys like my manip. I think we'll see something similar, save for longer hair as seen in that pic. also, the jacket will likely be darker.

[Retroman]

Just took some pics from the set at the old chicago post office. I think its Heath Ledger, not sure. Green hair and similar hairlines. What do you guys think?

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01426.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/closeup2.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/Closeup.jpgHere are 2 more. Not face shots though. But still, Green Hair!!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01429.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01424.jpg
OMG!:eek: Welcome to the hype and thanks so much for these fantastic spypics!:up:

You should send this into the mainpage of this site. This is like the biggest scoop since audition pages spotted by Miranda Fox.
http://www.superherohype.com/contact.php

P.S: Look out, WB's ninjas are coming to get ya!

[Batty Belfry]

Still messing with it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/Sava_Fett/LedgerJoker3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/Sava_Fett/LedgerJoker2.jpg

[Silver Souper]

Okay, uploading now and typing!

I went nutz trying to bring out the details here. I think I did pretty good!

Ledger's lips are not this pouty in real life, nor are his eyebrows shaped as we see here. Nor is his nose shaped like this. If you look closely ( and I tried to bring it out in the photo) there are distinct lines around his eyebrows.

Work away folks! In some bizarre way, he reminds me of the Shroud Of Turin!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/Sava_Fett/LedgerJoker.jpg

AWESOME. I see a fake chin, nose and a messed up area around his eyes and forehead! looks rad!

[TheBat812]

What's up with the hair? There's obviously green in it, but you can also see patches of Ledger's normal hair.
it's the strong daylight glare which reflect, making it look like highlights.

[Keyser Sushi]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/closeup2.jpg

OMG!!! :eek: OMG!!! :eek: OMG!!! :eek: OMG!!! :eek: OMG!!! :eek:

Duuuuuuuuuuuude... now THAT is more like it. :up:

[Silver Souper]

yeah i see highlights too; not a green helmet of hair.

can somebody zoom the profile pics to see if we can makeout an elongated chin and nose?

[Boom]

it's the strong daylight glare which reflect, making it look like highlights.
I really hope that's the case. Either that or they haven't finished applying it.

If his hair has green blotches in the movie I'm going to be pissed.

[Retroman]

People are analyzing a pic thats been taken hundreds of meters away with a a camera that barely caught the details of Ledger's face.Seeing things that probably aren't there.God... you gotta love the hype. :D

[Miranda Fox]

I really hope that's the case. Either that or they haven't finished applying it.

If his hair has green blotches in the movie I'm going to be pissed.

If you look at the closeup, where he's stood in direct sunlight, the hair colour looks pretty even. So no worries there. :)