The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[etrigan69]

Yup.

Also, that guys look eyes...blue. Heath's eyes are very dark.

But look, how about y'all judge for yourselves here. Compare the guy in that pic to these:

http://www.basin-city.net/heath/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=4

Could be testing contacts though - which I like the idea of.

Compare the facial structure. It is Ledger. It is The Joker....
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a151/chrisguyver/sfsfsd.jpg

[Cmn.WRX>Mustang]

He is wearing the same exact get up on the set a couple of days ago in Chicago.

Actually not at all. The hair in the pic from the set is much more obviously green and if you look closely you can see the lips are a more ruby red. Definitely not the same make-up which is why I say, don't get worried. It's more likely that what he was wearing ON SET is what they're actually going with.

BTW: The 'sixth' finger is the palm of his hand.

I pointed that out already. :p

[ghost_x]

and I also very much agree that the bank heist will be part of the teaser. It is extremely common nowadays for them to shoot the footage that will be used for the early marketing at the beginning of the shoot, so they have time to edit, complete the footage. I can also see it being those one long scene style teasers like Fantastic 4: ROTSS

[Miranda Fox]

That is a test shot that was hanging up somewhere (probably Chicago) that someone on the set saw and clicked of a picture on their cell phone.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8571/jokerledger1cw4.jpg

He is wearing the same exact get up on the set a couple of days ago in Chicago.

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/jokerfirstpics1.jpg

How can anyone really think it's fake?

You guys are in such denial!!!!

Um, yeah. What's your point? :p

[Stringer]

It looks like Heath has some prosthetics on in the spy pics, theres none in the leaked photo.

[metr0man]

Other than the scars, this is exactly what you guys wanted. The white face paint, green hair, red lips, this is it. It just looks underwhelming because he isn't smiling. They probably did a ton of these shots and Heath was probably just tired and bored.

WB should release an official picture of him with a wide Joker smile with a creepy background, and they should do it TODAY. An official and cool picture will make everyone forget about this test shot.

[Cmn.WRX>Mustang]

For suddenly a leak like this to occur after all their work to keep it secret seems unbelievable.

Um, not at all. First off, this isn't really a "leaked pic". It's a PICTURE taken OF a pic. Actually, as someone said, it's a pic of a poster from the set.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8571/jokerledger1cw4.jpg

Look closer, you can see how this is a pic of a pic stuck on a wall. You can even see the WB watermark on the bottom right hand corner of it.

[Miranda Fox]

Compare the facial structure. It is Ledger. It is The Joker....
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a151/chrisguyver/sfsfsd.jpg

Hmm, same nose, your right.

[FlawlessVictory]

he has 6 FINGERS...its a FAKE!! wahooo!!!!

Hello. My name is Batman. You killed my father, prepare to die. :woot:

[jimmy]

Heath's hair from the rooftop session photos and the new imagine differ greatly -- that is to say, that the back tail of his hair comes almost all the way down to his shoulders; his bangs are also longer; there's also no part in his hair (when you grow long hair, your hair automatically parts itself).

He has six fingers, and he's not as big, physically.

[Ming]

That is a test shot that was hanging up somewhere (probably Chicago) that someone on the set saw and clicked of a picture on their cell phone.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8571/jokerledger1cw4.jpg

He is wearing the same exact get up on the set a couple of days ago in Chicago.

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/jokerfirstpics1.jpg

How can anyone really think it's fake?

You guys are in such denial!!!!

Wait, you mean they took the photo then went straight to filming.....Oh my God....

I want to know something, and this is a good question, but why would the test shot be hanging outside, on set, instead of, say, in the make-up trailer where it belongs?

[Miranda Fox]

Wait, you mean they took the photo then went straight to filming.....Oh my God....

I want to know something, and this is a good question, but why would the test shot be hanging outside, on set, instead of, say, in the make-up trailer where it belongs?

I was just thinking that...

[Castlewood]

I've been floating over these boards for sometime now and decided to throw my two-cents in.

I personally believe that the mere fact that suddenly these images appear after the humiliation of AICN and the famous "Trailer Photos", in addition to the fact that they are crisp and clean, with the assumption that it's the Joker, they're fake. Warner has kept what the Joker looks like under wraps for months now, carefully keeping fans out and information at a premium. For suddenly a leak like this to occur after all their work to keep it secret seems unbelievable. If it was so easy to obtain images of what Heath would look like (without having to sneak on rooftops to take photos over the partitions), it would have happen well before this.

Not necessarily. They just started filming the movie. Ledger is just NOW in his Joker get-up. There's no way we could've gotten a Joker pic 4 months ago... There wouldn't be a reason for him to be dressed like Joker.

Now is actually the most obvious time to get a Joker pic... because Ledger actually IS the Joker now. As I type this, Ledger is probably wearing the costume... so these times are more likely for a pic than before. It's inevitable that we're going to get a picture either last week or this week.

Besides, if this picture is not real.... We'll get a real one very very soon.... I'd say this week or next week... no later.

[antmanx68]

Hey Miranda. Do you have any kind of proof that its fake. I mean, you know pics of Heath Ledger better than anyone right? How about you post whatever picture that is making this all look so familiar to you? If there is one.

[Cmn.WRX>Mustang]

He has six fingers,

LOL, no he doesn't. Do I have to explain this is again?

It's the way his freaking hand is turned, what you're seeing is a little bit of his palm and you're confusing it for another finger.

[fabman]

I like it, but I don't think you should judge out of context. He's not even in character there. And, honestly, even 'Alien' doesn't look creepy out of context. It's not same as he's in the movie.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Not necessarily. They just started filming the movie. Ledger is just NOW in his Joker get-up. There's no way we could've gotten a Joker pic 4 months ago... There wouldn't be a reason for him to be dressed like Joker.

Now is actually the most obvious time to get a Joker pic... because Ledger actually IS the Joker now. As I type this, Ledger is probably wearing the costume... so these times are more likely for a pic than before. It's inevitable that we're going to get a picture either last week or this week.

Besides, if this picture is not real.... We'll get a real one very very soon.... I'd say this week or next week... no later.
exactly

[jimmy]

Then that's a pretty ****ing beefy palm, bro.

[Comicfan]

That is a test shot that was hanging up somewhere (probably Chicago) that someone on the set saw and clicked of a picture on their cell phone.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8571/jokerledger1cw4.jpg

He is wearing the same exact get up on the set a couple of days ago in Chicago.

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/jokerfirstpics1.jpg

How can anyone really think it's fake?

You guys are in such denial!!!!

I´m not in in denial... I´m complaining becouse he looks like crap

[Dark Sentinel]

D'oh! Quint here... oh well... we'll do better on the next go 'round... For the record, I knew the pic wasn't a screen grab, but a proof of concept picture being used in the production offices to give an idea of what Joker would look like... and methinks someone might be calling the kettle black (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=22888), especially since that someone also told me to go ahead and post it... just sayin'.

well at least they admitted their mistake.

[Miranda Fox]

Hey Miranda. Do you have any kind of proof that its fake. I mean, you know pics of Heath Ledger better than anyone right? How about you post whatever picture that is making this all look so familiar to you? If there is one.

Dude, don't talk to me in a condescending tone.

I'm not going to deny that part of my problem with it is that it's kind of crap - and that guy has Heath's exact nose. I'm looking through my picture collections now to see if I can find what tweaked that reaction...on the face of it, I think it's because his hair is kinda like in TIFF potraits. If that's the case then...it's not a fake.

[mrsparkle]

It would explain the dark shades in the hair of the spy joker shot that people pointed out, they seem to be in this shot aswell.

[etrigan69]

Hmm, same nose, your right.

Dude. I'm telling you!

His hair looks a lot greener in the trailer pic because he is out in the sun. This falls in line with Nolan's vision. Like it or not. He's trying to keep it realistic. Obviously the acting is what will sell The Joker. Not the make-up.

It is kind of growing on me.

Plus he could get more dapper toward the end of the picture.

One more thing. I tweaked the pic in PS a bit. Just for giggles.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/etrigan69/jokertweak.jpg

[AtrophyG4]

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/candy.gif

Look familiar? Screenshot from a movie called Candy

[fabman]

It's Heath, facial structure is same, chin is same, ears are same, nose is same. It's him!

[Cobblepot]

If this is the real thing, I'll be dissapointed. Atleast about his looks. Maybe he'll act right but the whole gang thing and having thughs got me worried.

[DAVIDYR1]

I dont know why I'm getting emails about this new pic..It's not like I can confirm or deny anything. I see the updates on the net just like the rest of you and I have no other info what so ever on this. It looks like a real photo, but I dont know anything more than the rest of you here.

All the studio's watermark their photos...but test make up's are always followed by a bunch of in progress polaroids and those arn't watermarked. If someone snapped a pic of this photo then it's quite possible that it's real.

What do I think of it?
I love it. Exactly what I'd personally want to see from the Joker in Nolan's world. I'd prefer the scars to have a little more red like the lips but other wise...If it's real then I'm very happy.
There's other scars on his face too...and I like that. I'd guess this is one of the gradual looks we'll see leading up to the final look, but even that is just a guess.
I love this look and I love the direction they're taking...IF this is a real photo.

I'm picturing it in different lighting and with a sinister grin...it really works for me....I'd go as far as saying I hope it's real.

The 6th finger is his palm, as some have already said and him holding a color chart for a make up pic is also in line with what goes on behind the scenes. If it's a fake, well it's a good one.

If it's a real pic, they'll get pulled by the studio...more than likely....

Go Nolan! Go DKR.....

David

[Cmn.WRX>Mustang]

Dude, don't talk to me in a condescending tone.

I didn't get that from his post at all. Geez.

It's HIM, I'm sure of it. Look at the forehead, the nose, the hairline -- it's Heath. What makes the pic look off is, as I said before, his eyes. We're used to the brown, puppy dog eyes. In this pic they're this icy, odd shade of blue. Plus the black make-up around them makes them seem different as well.


Then that's a pretty ****ing beefy palm, bro.

Jesus christ, some people. :rolleyes:

This is why people on BOF say the average SHHer has the intelligence of a cold, dead fish.

[fabman]

Dude. I'm telling you!

His hair looks a lot greener in the trailer pic because he is out in the sun. This falls in line with Nolan's vision. Like it or not. He's trying to keep it realistic. Obviously the acting is what will sell The Joker. Not the make-up.

It is kind of growing on me.

Plus he could get more dapper toward the end of the picture.

One more thing. I tweaked the pic in PS a bit. Just for giggles.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/etrigan69/jokertweak.jpg

Nothing against your manip but I thank God for what we got!

[Super Kal]

I think he's okay... I would of liked to have seen a little bit more color variation, but it's okay.

[Cmn.WRX>Mustang]

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/candy.gif

Look familiar? Screenshot from a movie called Candy

Uh, yeeeah...see, we already knew the first one was a fake, thanks.

[/Lumberg]

[Super Kal]

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/candy.gif

Look familiar? Screenshot from a movie called Candy
well, at least we know now that one is a fake

[Showtime]

Anyone familiar with the band AFI? Doesn't he look like Davoy Havok in that picture?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/inthesedays/Davey%20Havok/2001-2005/davey165.jpg

I think he looks like Zombie Jared Leto in that AICN shot.

[etrigan69]

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/candy.gif

Look familiar? Screenshot from a movie called Candy

Nice find!

But even Harry at AICN said it was most likely a manip to see how the make up will look in the original story.

[Miranda Fox]

Either way, we'll know whether it's real soon enough. Jett's put in calls to WB and besides which, if it is real, it'll be yanked pretty quickly. ;)

[Bandyt]

Did they delete the other thread that was devoted to the pic of him?

[fabman]

Sure, THAT one was fake and in fact AICN didn't say it was from TDK, they said it was a preexisting pic they played 'round with to see if the makeup would work.

[Super Kal]

no, they just merged it with this one

[jimmy]

This is why people on BOF say the average SHHer has the intelligence of a cold, dead fish.

Don't talk to Miranda like that.

Maybe you should go back to BOF, rather than hang around a bunch of people who lack the intelligence to reply to your less-than-amazing posts. I can't believe I had the intelligence, the tact, and the mental ingenuity to find the quote button to tell you this.

Gah -- I can't believe I quoted one of your posts; now, I have to wash my mouse.

[Cmn.WRX>Mustang]

Don't talk to Miranda like that.

Miranda's okay -- I was talking to you, buddy.

[ultimatefan]

That´s what I dislike the most about the Internet. People leak a pic that´s clearly for testing, that WILL NOT reflect how the character will look on screen, with proper photography, lighting, cholor scheme, everything, and people are ready to grab the pitchforks...

[etrigan69]

Either way, we'll know whether it's real soon enough. Jett's put in calls to WB and besides which, if it is real, it'll be yanked pretty quickly. ;)
Think we wil see a ban on cell phones on future movie shoots? I am looking for it to be yanked too. That really isn't how they want people to have their first look at The Joker I'm sure. Maybe they will throw a more "in character" shot out now.

I've heard he is really only in the last ten minutes of the movie anyway and then they kill him off....... :p

[Bandyt]

It might be real, but it seems to lack...the professional touch. It doesn't look like he had a massively talented makeup team doing his make up. And what he's holding looks like one of those kiddy halloween makeup kits, you know, the kinds with all the different coloured greases you plaster over your face...

[Miranda Fox]

That´s what I dislike the most about the Internet. People leak a pic that´s clearly for testing, that WILL NOT reflect how the character will look on screen, with proper photography, lighting, cholor scheme, everything, and people are ready to grab the pitchforks...

LOL, I gotta admit, I was pissed when I first saw it.

[antmanx68]

Dude, don't talk to me in a condescending tone.

I'm not going to deny that part of my problem with it is that it's kind of crap - and that guy has Heath's exact nose. I'm looking through my picture collections now to see if I can find what tweaked that reaction...on the face of it, I think it's because his hair is kinda like in TIFF potraits. If that's the case then...it's not a fake.

What was condescending about my post? You posted several times that the pic doesnt look like Heath to you and you think its fake- and you should know because you run a Heath fansite/gallery. Perhaps you have the pic that was used in the manip (if it is a manip). I was just asking you a question. Relax.

[Cmn.WRX>Mustang]

That´s what I dislike the most about the Internet. People leak a pic that´s clearly for testing, that WILL NOT reflect how the character will look on screen, with proper photography, lighting, cholor scheme, everything, and people are ready to grab the pitchforks...

Not to mention people saying it's a fake when it obviously isn't it -- and trying to look for stuff that just isn't there. Like him having six fingers, LOL.

SHH has an advantage in that you can discuss spoilers here but there are too many people here who have a knee-jerk reaction to things. Not to mention the low maturity level. NOT to say BOF is devoid of idiots -- we have damien dark. *shudder*

[Miranda Fox]

What was condescending about my post? You posted several times that the pic doesnt look like Heath to you and you think its fake- and you should know because you run a Heath fansite/gallery. Perhaps you have the pic that was used in the manip (if it is a manip). I was just asking you a question. Relax.

Fair enough.

I just thought the pose looked familiar....but I'm not coming up with anything. :/

[The Guard]

Nicholson's makeup was poor? That's news to me. Nicholson had some of the best and most elaborate makeup ever seen on film at the time BATMAN was made.

So these pictures...nothing to cream over. This looks enough like The Joker would look, if he were "real", without sacrificing classic elements. Toned down green hair, pale skin, and a version of the "smile". It seems to me that it will be the characterization will make this concept work, not neccessarily the look itself. Which isn't entirely a bad thing.

This isn't bad on any level, but it's not amazing, either. I think, if this is the look, that it absolutely hinges on what that "scar tissue" grin looks like when he smiles. This is going to sound incredibly nitpicky, but the scars on either side of his mouth might be too long. Or maybe they're just long enough to form an effective "Joker smile" when he does smile. I don't know, I kind of thought there was going to be some more texturing to his skin makeup. So it's not brilliant, but it is slightly different than what we've seen in the past (although Lee Bermejo came up with something similar a while back, and I think anyone here has come up with this concept on their own at least once), and it kind of looks like The Joker. When I was working on PATIENT J, we considered The Joker a carved look, but decided against it, feeling that as a character, he would be a bit too vain to scar himself. He would, however, scar others.

The Joker, to me, quite simply, reflects the idea, that, to him at least, life itself is one big joke. I do not see that in someone who mutiliates himself and relies on a scar to make it look like he has an eerie smile. I do see that in a man who simply has an impossibly wide smile because he loves hurting people, because he considers it a sick joke. I prefer the seldom-used version of The Joker who does not always look like he is smiling, but smiles when he does horrible things.

So what happened to this version of the character? Did his goons catch up to him after he screwed them over and carve the smile onto him in the form of revenge? Did he do it to himself because he became a twisted reflection of the world he believes he sees? Regardless, I much prefer a Joker who just smiles because he sees the jokes in life, and likes delivering the punchline.

"Scars" and the impact they have on our decisions in life is obviously a theme in this movie. Bruce's scars. Joker's scars. Gordon's scars. Dent's scars. That could work very well thematically.

[Darknightnomis]

I guess I'm the only one who's not really concern how the close the joker look to his comicbook version orthat he looks too "realistic".

If I wanted to see that version of the "clown prince of crime", I can put in Tim Burton's 1989 Batman and see Jack Nicholson's for my satisfaction.

My main conern with this series of Batman moive has always been that Batman would be the main focus in his own movies and the villians doesn't get more attention in detail than Batman/Bruce Wayne does.

And don't get me wrong, the Joker is the best villian of all time and my personal favorite, but I want to see how Bruce Wayne deals with being Batman and the reprecutions that it have in his life.

The Joker (and any other villian for that matter) in these movies can be secondary characters like the Scarecrow was in 'Begins'.

[Super Kal]

yeah, it does look a bit realistic, but wasn't that Nolan's intent all along though... to try and make Batman look as realistic as possible?

[Castlewood]

Okay, okay, okay.... holy crap. I might have figured it out.

As much I love that pic, and as much as I want to defend it... I suddenly got the same feeling as Miranda.

I've seen this pic before, **I think**.... and I think I know EXACTLY what the pic is... and I hope that Miranda has it.

I believe it could be the one where Ledger is standing up in a very weird manner, and his hair is long... and there is a grey background... and he's holding some kind of a sign... and he's holding the sign in a very similar manner as the way he's holding the palette in this picture.

If it's the one I'm thinking of... It wouldn't be so hard to do a manip of it, I reckon.

FIND IT!!!

CSI:Miranda !!!

[L0ngsh0t]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32386

I don't know if that has been discussed on here yet, but I believe this is a official pic

[arty2]

It's most obviously a test shot, can't wait for the proper more official pic.

[Miranda Fox]

Okay, okay, okay.... holy crap. I might have figured it out.

As much I love that pic, and as much as I want to defend it... I suddenly got the same feeling as Miranda.

I've seen this pic before, **I think**.... and I think I know EXACTLY what the pic is... and I hope that Miranda has it.

I believe it could be the one where Ledger is standing up in a very weird manner, and his hair is long... and there is a grey background... and he's holding some kind of a sign... and he's holding the sign in a very similar manner as the way he's holding the palette in this picture.

If it's the one I'm thinking of... It wouldn't be so hard to do a manip of it, I reckon.

FIND IT!!!

CSI:Miranda !!!

Hmm, thanks for that, gives me something to work on.

I don't have that pic, but HLC might.

[Miranda Fox]

Okay, okay, okay.... holy crap. I might have figured it out.

As much I love that pic, and as much as I want to defend it... I suddenly got the same feeling as Miranda.

I've seen this pic before, **I think**.... and I think I know EXACTLY what the pic is... and I hope that Miranda has it.

I believe it could be the one where Ledger is standing up in a very weird manner, and his hair is long... and there is a grey background... and he's holding some kind of a sign... and he's holding the sign in a very similar manner as the way he's holding the palette in this picture.

If it's the one I'm thinking of... It wouldn't be so hard to do a manip of it, I reckon.

FIND IT!!!

CSI:Miranda !!!

Hmm, thanks for that, gives me something to work on.

I don't have that pic, but HLC might.

[Super Kal]

lol, that's what we've been discussing for the past hour.

[Bandyt]

I just had a thought. What if the scars on each side of his mouth opened up when he smiled?

[breyfogle_rules]

I think I found the original!!!


http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8246/jokerenewmanzc9.jpg

[Miranda Fox]

Okay, okay, okay.... holy crap. I might have figured it out.

As much I love that pic, and as much as I want to defend it... I suddenly got the same feeling as Miranda.

I've seen this pic before, **I think**.... and I think I know EXACTLY what the pic is... and I hope that Miranda has it.

I believe it could be the one where Ledger is standing up in a very weird manner, and his hair is long... and there is a grey background... and he's holding some kind of a sign... and he's holding the sign in a very similar manner as the way he's holding the palette in this picture.

If it's the one I'm thinking of... It wouldn't be so hard to do a manip of it, I reckon.

FIND IT!!!

CSI:Miranda !!!

This one? http://www.heathledgercentral.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2

[Super Kal]

here's my go at it... not much difference, just a little bit more color
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6995/jokerrecolormx4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[FlawlessVictory]

If this is real, and I think it is, then WB is mighty slow to act. If this was a leaked image from a Spider-Man movie, Sony would have been all over this before you could even finish downloading the pic.

[bstringer]

this pic is real i think...and, i also think WB is really slack.. they should've removed this hours ago

[Ryan227]

Thank you, we have now been discussing this for several pages.

This was on a different thread and they merged the two so you're very welcome....

[ghost_x]

This one? http://www.heathledgercentral.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2

Definitely a different picture, and it looks like Ledger has lost a lot of weight from when the 'make up test shot' was taken, leading me to further believe it is an old concept.

[etrigan69]

I just had a thought. What if the scars on each side of his mouth opened up when he smiled?
See "Ichi The Killer".
http://www.monkeysvsrobots.com/mvsrpm/images/uploads/ruhardenuff.jpg

[ghost_x]

If this is real, and I think it is, then WB is mighty slow to act. If this was a leaked image from a Spider-Man movie, Sony would have been all over this before you could even finish downloading the pic.

True story

[Super Kal]

^^ what th... ???

[Showtime]

There are Batman fans all over the world who just broke their keyboards over their monitor and are throwing away their Joker figures.

[Bandyt]

Hmmm....Maybe this is actually one of many showing the different stages of the make-up application process and this is like in the middle somewhere...

[The Guard]

What's all this "realistic" nonsense? It's no more realistic than the comic book version, except that Heath ledger is a real physical person, not a caricature of one. You don't see people like this walking down the street, or ever, really. It's just the Joker concept, toned down a little. And please, no one utter the V-word. It's not neccessarily that, either.

[Showtime]

It could be anything, the real concern is why is he holding a gigantic Rubix Cube?

[Hunter Rider]

What's all this "realistic" nonsense? It's no more realistic than the comic book version. You don't see people like this walking down the street, or ever, really. It's just the Joker concept, toned down a little. And please, no one utter the V-word. It's not neccessarily that, either.

You obviously don't live in my neighbourhood:csad::woot:

[Dark52Knight]

what are you doing on these boards if a grainy spy photo of the joker doesnt get you excited?

idiot.


Your the only idiot here bud.

[seishin87]

It could be anything, the real concern is why is he holding a gigantic Rubix Cube?

It's used for color reference in makeup tests.

[R_Hythlodeus]

There are Batman fans all over the world who just broke their keyboards over their monitor and are throwing away their Joker figures.
:woot: rotfl

[Retroman]

I'm not digging the Joker's look in that pic. The cut smile is an idea i'm not entirely for and it looks way too much like The Crow (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000488/).

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2949/jokerledger1zs5.jpghttp://img118.imageshack.us/img118/6857/crow04pg1.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1862/crow11dq3.jpghttp://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4258/brandon3hm8.jpg
source (http://www.thecrowsloft.com/pics/thecrow/index.html)

This looks like a pre production makeup test so heres hoping it's much different in the end.If the pic is indeed real that is.....

[Kleric]

I will continue to reserve judgement until a proper shot is released (lighting and setting count for a lot) but the thing that has me questioning this one is the hand holding the sign. It looks webbed, the fingers do not look properly separated. That is a Photoshop indicator for sure. Why would the WB photoshop his fingers for a color chart? hmmmmmm

or I could be strung out on chocolate mini eggs and this is all a dream...

[Silver Souper]

are people happy with this look? i think i may dislike the mouth scarring.

[R_Hythlodeus]

It could be anything, the real concern is why is he holding a gigantic Rubix Cube?

It is a birthday present for The Riddler

[Silver Souper]

I'm not digging the Joker's look in that pic. The cut smile is an idea i'm not entirely for and it looks way too much like The Crow (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000488/).

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2949/jokerledger1zs5.jpghttp://img118.imageshack.us/img118/6857/crow04pg1.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1862/crow11dq3.jpghttp://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4258/brandon3hm8.jpg
source (http://www.thecrowsloft.com/pics/thecrow/index.html)

This looks like a pre production makeup test so heres hoping it's much different in the end.If the pic is indeed real that is.....

agreed 100% retroman

[nightwing07]

is that wut he really looks like?
if so he looks like a goth not joker!

[CrashNburn]

he's the only idiot?

[Lobster Charlie]

I think it looks fine. Certainly looks better than the overkill makeup Jack Nicholson wore for B'89. I never liked that makeup job, and probably never will.

[Rynan]

yeah, it does look a bit realistic, but wasn't that Nolan's intent all along though... to try and make Batman look as realistic as possible?

No. Nolan's intent was to make a good Batman film. He just decided to base it somewhat in reality(like using parts of Chicago and Hong Kong as Gotham), to make a living world using research and real world stuff. Ian Fleming did the same thing with his James Bond novels. It creates a good backdrop so that when the fantastic stuff happens, it still has a level of believability.

[Bandyt]

I believe Nolan has been quoted in saying that with Heath, the Joker is in the eyes, not the look. Just something I remembered. I'm going to reserve most judgement until, I dunno, a 5 second offical clip of him acting as the Joker?

[CrashNburn]

the 1st thing i thought of when i saw the pic was the crow. huge resemblence!

[raybia]

I have several opinions concerning these photos but I'll take the easy route and say that I'll go along with whatever opinion that Miranda Fox has on this. (Of course the only one who I'll allow to override her opinion would be Ronny Shade, so I'm curious to find out his opinion as well.)

I haven't looked back in this thread to see Miranda's comments are, so can someone enlighten me please.

[FlawlessVictory]

....for proving once again that Raimi seems to be the only director capable of translating a villain's look from the comic books (GG aside) with great ease.

Way to go. http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5940/019sp3.gif

LOL. Can you point me to the issue where New Goblin's horrible costume appears?

[Comicfan]

Heath's hair from the rooftop session photos and the new imagine differ greatly -- that is to say, that the back tail of his hair comes almost all the way down to his shoulders; his bangs are also longer; there's also no part in his hair (when you grow long hair, your hair automatically parts itself).

He has six fingers, and he's not as big, physically.

Not true

[Darknightnomis]

... or I could be strung out on chocolate mini eggs and this is all a dream...

Chocolate mini eggs are bad for your system man, trust me. :cwink:

[Miranda Fox]

I will continue to reserve judgement until a proper shot is released (lighting and setting count for a lot) but the thing that has me questioning this one is the hand holding the sign. It looks webbed, the fingers do not look properly separated. That is a Photoshop indicator for sure. Why would the WB photoshop his fingers for a color chart? hmmmmmm

or I could be strung out on chocolate mini eggs and this is all a dream...

No, there's several things that don't quite add up in that pic - the eyes being a different colour than Heath's and the fingers - as you mentioned.

Could just be a bad photo - but really, why would WB hang that up in the first place? I don't get it.

[Hunter Rider]

I have several opinions concerning these photos but I'll take the easy route and say that I'll go along with whatever opinion that Miranda Fox has on this. (Of course the only one who I'll allow to override her opinion would be Ronny Shade, so I'm curious to find out his opinion as well.)

I haven't looked back in this thread to see Miranda's comments are, so can someone enlighten me please.

I'm not sure Miranda has posted yet and Ronny is MIA

[Tatsumarushinob]

He looks like The Crow. The one in the third movie, the awful Crow:Salvation.

[Kebab gud]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32386

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/jokerledger1.JPG

dossent look like ledger to me.. but might still be a test shoot

[CrashNburn]

maybe it isnt heath and maybe they're just trying to get an idea of what the joker might look like. like a screening!

[The Guard]

I believe Nolan has been quoted in saying that with Heath, the Joker is in the eyes, not the look.

Interesting. Ledger doesn't have the most expressive eyes in the world. I always found them rather beady. Maybe that's what they're going for.

[Rynan]

I haven't looked back in this thread to see Miranda's comments are, so can someone enlighten me please.

It's either:
A.: A fake(she has concerns about how Ledger's face looks)
or
B. A concept photo

Either way, it's not the real deal.

[Miranda Fox]

I presume you dislike reading inside parentheses?

I would presume you understand what trolling is, as well?

[bstringer]

yeah absolutly..there is something not right with his hand. his eyes are probably just contacts, but his hand looks photoshopped to me

[FlawlessVictory]

I presume you dislike reading inside parentheses?

Correct me if I'm wrong but in parentheses you put (GG). Last time I checked GG stood for Green Goblin who appeared in the first Spider-Man film. If you were referring to Harry Osborn's character then perhaps you should have used (NG) or even (GG2) which he should actually be called.

[nightwing07]

not a fan of the look!
i wanted the killing joke look!
this look is to plain looks like a goth, and looks cheap!

[Darknightnomis]

....for proving once again that Raimi seems to be the only director capable of translating a villain's look from the comic books (GG aside) with great ease.

Way to go. http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5940/019sp3.gif

Really now? He didn't exactly nail it on Green Goblin 2 either.

http://andertoons.typepad.com/cartoon_blog/spiderman3-4.jpg


this looks like an outake of the Skysurfing scene in 'Batman and Robin'.

[Retroman]

agreed 100% retroman

I'm not against some changes in the way the Joker looks but that just doesn't cut it for me.

[WBat]

It boggles me that people are getting this worked up over an image that hasn't even been confirmed as official.
I mean this is aicn reporting the news lets remember, and they have always been relatively hit and miss where news and rumours or concerned.
Personally i'll wait till we see a nice clean good resolution official photo of Ledger as The Joker before i make any judgments on the matter.
And besides, even if it is official, and i say "if" cos we have no confirmation it is yet, then it looks to be a test shot, things can always change in pre-production at any time, so to me its a case of wait and see.

[Silver Souper]

flabbedy-blu.

[Miranda Fox]

Okay, I've just been comparing that to Heath pictures and I'm going to show you why I think it's a very clever fake.

It could've been a stand in, that I'll buy, but that's an argument for another day.

[Miranda Fox]

I always thought the same. Funnily enough, when Ledger made the "eyes" comment, I thought it suited better for Bettany. Ledger has the better smile though. :up:


Hi, I'm the person that likes to read other people's opinions, as well as post my own without pulling out the "trolling" card if I don't agree with them.

You must be the other person? :o

Eh, my mistake, thought you were here to preach Marvel. :oldrazz:

[TheJOKER]

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/5233/jokerledger1vy3.jpg

Wow, now that's something. I'd like to give it up to Nolan.. :up:






















....for proving once again that Raimi seems to be the only director capable of translating a villain's look from the comic books (GG aside) with great ease.

Way to go. http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5940/019sp3.gif

You make it seem like Goyers way off come on it's Joker and Raimis villians never looked like they came right out of the comics. They all come some what close to the comic book look including this Joker. Keep up the good work Goyer.

[Silver Souper]

No, there's several things that don't quite add up in that pic - the eyes being a different colour than Heath's and the fingers - as you mentioned.

Could just be a bad photo - but really, why would WB hang that up in the first place? I don't get it.

I'm with you miranda- i'm not sure that's ledger. doesn't he have a boxier chin? not sure what the story is there...

I'm not against some changes in the way the Joker looks but that just doesn't cut it for me.

hey man. yeah assuming that's legit and we'll see something very close to that on screen, i am dissapointed but not massively upset. I just hate the cut mouth/scarring ever since that black and white artist rendering- lee something.

i will give them some benefit of the doubt as i'm not sure that's ledger (maybe a double), and we're not seeing him acting through the makeup which will be the majority of the sell.

I also like the skin tone and the shading around the eyes. it's the mouth scarring that's hanging me up.

[JStorm]

Nolan has been on the boards before, right?

He's even posted and thanked us for our input, right?

I think Nolan is doing research. He's hung a pic out there for a test drive by the hype.

Like many others, I am holding out.

Bale looked great as Wayne and Bats.
Neeson looked great as Ducard and Ra's.
Murphy looked great as Cranse and Scarecrow.
Oldman looked like he was drawn by the creator's of Gordon.


Ledger will be the same. I am sure of it.

I'm holding out.

[nightwing07]

but he looks like a goth
i thought the joker was narcisstic, didnt goyer co write the story
he shouldve objected to this look!
its cheap b movie makeup!

[Gonking]

is that an official pic or a manip?

[ultimatefan]

Weird, Ledger´s look looks kinda freaky to me in that picture, more in a dark way than a clownish way, though.

[Johnichi Chiba]

Jesus Christ people, we don't even know if this is the final look calm the **** down you guys!

[Miranda Fox]

This is the closest as I could get to looking similar (as in, a similar position):

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/jokerledger.jpg

[Schlosser85]

I don't like the "cut smile" look. I don't think he should have a smile carved into his face, he should just have a freakishly big grin.

But one thing to keep in mind....we don't know it's real.

[wikum]

that new pic is a fake. it looks nothing like heath ledger.

ledger has a small nose, but the other guys nose is even smaller...a bit weird don't you think? for a character widely regarded to have a pointy large nose....but heaths nose shinks when he's in makeup?

THIS HAS BEEN MADE TO WIND UP FANS. DONT BE ALARMED.

p.s i wouldn't actually mind that look if it wasn't for the two RIDICULOUS SCARS ON HIS MOUTH that don't even need to be there.

a real WB makeup team would make them look more subtle.


im gonna look like such an idiot if this is real lol..

[ultimatefan]

is that an official pic or a manip?

It´s neither, it´s obviously a test shot without any cinematography resources, no proper lighting, anything, but we already have fanboys screaming bloody murder like that´s exactly what he´s gonna look like in the final product.

[bstringer]

in my opinion, the skin color is awesome, the hair is cool too, but i dont like the WEAK scars, they need be deeper, and darker. im not fussy of the lips either..i want the joker to be UGLY, and plain gross

[DieSmiling]

Maybe I'm the only one, but that looks like Heath Ledger to me.

I'm not a huge fan of the look, but I don't hate it as much as others either. Regardless, I'm going to wait until an official pic comes out anyway -- he's standing against a white background holding a card. I'm sure he'll look alot different in the movie with proper lighting and perfect makeup.

[Silver Souper]

This is the closest as I could get to looking similar (as in, a similar position):

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/jokerledger.jpg

what's your conclusion, Fox? I can't decide if I'm looking at the same person or not. The tip of Ledger's nose does look rounder than in the makeup shot, maybe it's not him. pretty close though...

[R_Hythlodeus]

but he looks like a goth
i thought the joker was narcisstic, didnt goyer co write the story
he shouldve objected to this look!
its cheap b movie makeup!
Most of the goths I know (and´I know many) are extremly narcisstic and vain. The goth culture is, after all, a very aesthethic culture

[Retroman]

Really now? He didn't exactly nail it on Green Goblin 2 either.

http://andertoons.typepad.com/cartoon_blog/spiderman3-4.jpg
He's called New Goblin in SM3 and though i'd prefer a cool goblinesque suit i understand why they went for that hightech Ninja/Surfer look.He's not schizophrenic like his dad, just hellbent on killing Peter.
this looks like an outake of the Skysurfing scene in 'Batman and Robin'.

Take that back!:cmad: I actually liked that B&R scene:ninja:

[Miranda Fox]

what's your conclusion, Fox? I can't decide if I'm looking at the same person or not. The tip of Ledger's nose does look rounder than in the makeup shot, maybe it's not him. pretty close though...

Really? I dunno what to make of it. Apparently, WB are being very quiet about it so...could be legit, sadly.

The thing is, if you took away the scarring, it would look fine.

[Superman4ever]

He doesn't have 6 fingers. That "extra" finger is actually the base of his palm. The make-up on his hands and the lighting create an unintentional optical illusion.

[JStorm]

Doubtful. He's been asked before if he checks out the message boards and such, but he's repeatedly said he tried to block that out. It's possibly that he may have lurked here once in a while, but deliberately leaking a pic to gauge reaction? Reaching. Man's busy making a movie.
I've seen his posts and responses. He may not lurk himself; but he has been on here, to my best knowledge.


I'm trying to hold out hope too, if only because it seems so hard to *try* and f--k up Joker's look.

I know one thing, WB has to have something planned once they hear word of this. That blurry set pic didn't really do much as it barely showed anything, but this one is a whole 'nother story.
They will catch word. First stages, I would say.

Anyway, good to have you back, playa! :up:

[ghost_x]

This is the closest as I could get to looking similar (as in, a similar position):

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/jokerledger.jpg

If that is Ledger, it looks like they have already applied prosthetics to his chin, it's a completely different size/shape

[Cinemaman]

Hey, wait a minute, when did Ledger get six fingers on the right hand? :eek: This pic is most likely fake :down

[Superman4ever]

Hey, wait a minute, when did Ledger get six fingers on the right hand? :eek: This pic is most likely fake :down


Read my response a couple of posts up. It's NOT a 6th finger!

[Retroman]

This is the closest as I could get to looking similar (as in, a similar position):

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/jokerledger.jpg

It looks a lot like Ledger to me. I'm 78% sure it's him and not someone else but i could be wrong.:huh:

[bane]

There are few very strange things with this photo.
First of all the lightning on the hand, it's obviously not the same as the one on the face...
The second thing is that if you compare it to the set pic, there is a very big difference between the eyes on both pics.I actually preffer the eyes from the set pic(with no make-up)just looks more intimidating, but who knows Heath might have had a break during shooting and had the make-up removed.
Meh i'm OK with the look, if the pic is legit...Can't wait till WB releases an official still!
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/5233/jokerledger1vy3.jpg

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/2833/closeup2xb5.jpg

[nightwing07]

he doesnt look like the joker at all
wut is going on, lets just hope he doesnt change the jokers character.

[Silver Souper]

Really? I dunno what to make of it. Apparently, WB are being very quiet about it so...could be legit, sadly.

The thing is, if you took away the scarring, it would look fine.

totally agree- i like it all except for the mouth scars. i could even handle a scar or two around the eyes.

it's worth noting that the suit in that picture- charcoal with a purple tint, is almost exactly the color of ledger's suit in recent set pics. this is probably legit on some level. as you said- sadly.

i hope this forces their hand to reveal an official photo soon.

[Castlewood]

I admit, I was wrong.

Honestly... I don't think this picture is a fake.

It's real.

It's Ledger.

That's the Joker.

I don't understand why anyone would go through such extreme lengths to make a manip, and say it's real.... DAYS before we're getting an official one anyway (and it's a matter of days before we see Ledger for real).

This is a real picture. There are just too many things going on in it that suggest it's real.

- It appears to be a photo OF a poster. It would be hard to manip a picture, and then manip a picture of a picture. Most of the manips on these boards are nowhere near as good as this picture... so unless there is a die-hard Batman fanboy who doesn't come to SHH (unlikely), and decided to elaborately spend hours upon hours on a photo of Heath Ledger that even Miranda can't find in her personal stash (and cannot be found on Google), and then submit his highly amazing photoshopping skills, without an ego, and without ever getting credit for his superb job.... then that is a real picture. Hands down.

- It's got a very realistic WB logo at the bottom.

- Ledger's holding a color palette (often used during make-up tests... and that's something that your average internet prankster probably wouldn't even know, and if he did, there's no way in hell he'd be smart enough to include that into a manip. Most manips are fake-posters for the film, and not manips of a behind-the-scenes make-up test. It would be illogical to show off your skills for photoshopping by making a picture of just a test).

- He fits the description we've been hearing for arguably the past year.

- Side by side comparisons PROVE that it is indeed Heath Ledger. Same nose, same eyes, same widow's peak.



It's obviously not the picture WB and Nolan wanted us to see... and that's why you feel disappointed. It's not WB approved... it's a leaked picture, but it is REAL. You guys just can't accept it. You want something more.

It looks disappointing to you... because Ledger is not "acting" in this picture. He looks very tired, he looks like he's been getting pictures taken of him for hours... he doesn't want to be there. He wants to get some f***ing sleep. So, of course, in that picture... it doesn't scream Joker, because he's not in that frame of mind at the moment.

When WB releases the OFFICIAL pic that we were SUPPOSED to see, it will be a different story. He'll look the exact same as he does in that photo... but he'll actually be in character.

The challenge:

If any of you think you're the best person on the boards when it comes to manips... I challenge you to take this photo, and make the appearance look EXACTLY like the supposed "fake" picture. Make him look like that guy in the picture... make it look like a photo OF a photo, include a WB logo, and give him a color palette.

Some of you guys are fantastic at this stuff.... so someone, make a photo of him dressed like above, and make him look exactly like he does above.

http://galleries.lycos.co.uk/d/12598-2/Heath+Ledger

Who will answer the challenge?


If you think it's too hard of a job, and you think it's not worth the time and effort... then maybe you have just proven my point. I'm not trying to be rude.. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this. If it's possible to take a simple picture of Heath Ledger and turn that picture into what we've seen.... I strongly urge someone to do it again.

[nightwing07]

he doesnt look like the joker at all
wut is going on, lets just hope he doesnt change the jokers character.

[Desk]

I'm a bit troubled by this shot....

It's not a terrible look for the character, but it reinforces concerns I've had about this film... and that is that, like Batman Begins, it will attempt a far too earnest, humorless, joyless "real-world" take on The Dark Knight and his mythos.

Batman IS a fantasy character, and lives in an incredibly rich, unique fantasy world of outlandish, grotesque villains and thrilling high-adventure.

I really didn't care for the way that Batman Begins stripped all the fun, escapist fantasy elements from Batman, and, sadly, it looks like this is what's now being done to The Joker.

[nightwing07]

he doesnt look like the joker at all
wut is going on, lets just hope he doesnt change the jokers character.

[nightwing07]

he doesnt look like the joker at all
wut is going on, lets just hope he doesnt change the jokers character.

[Desk]

I'm a bit troubled by this shot....

It's not a terrible look for the character, but it reinforces concerns I've had about this film... and that is that, like Batman Begins, it will attempt a far too earnest, humorless, joyless "real-world" take on The Dark Knight and his mythos.

Batman IS a fantasy character, and lives in an incredibly rich, unique fantasy world of outlandish, grotesque villains and thrilling high-adventure.

I really didn't care for the way that Batman Begins stripped all the fun, escapist fantasy elements from Batman, and, sadly, it looks like this is what's now being done to The Joker.

[Desk]

I'm a bit troubled by this shot....

It's not a terrible look for the character, but it reinforces concerns I've had about this film... and that is that, like Batman Begins, it will attempt a far too earnest, humorless, joyless "real-world" take on The Dark Knight and his mythos.

Batman IS a fantasy character, and lives in an incredibly rich, unique fantasy world of outlandish, grotesque villains and thrilling high-adventure.

I really didn't care for the way that Batman Begins stripped all the fun, escapist fantasy elements from Batman and tried to justify the unjustifiable, and, sadly, it looks like this is what's now being done to The Joker.

[nightwing07]

he doesnt look like the joker at all
wut is going on, lets just hope he doesnt change the jokers character.

[bstringer]

WHATS going on with you double posting

[The Guard]

Bale looked great as Wayne and Bats.
Neeson looked great as Ducard and Ra's.
Murphy looked great as Cranse and Scarecrow.
Oldman looked like he was drawn by the creator's of Gordon.

They did look pretty good in BATMAN BEGINS (In part because most of them are visually interesting people to begin with). However, it can be argued that with the exception of Gordon, costume and designwise, they didn't look a whole lot like their comic book counterparts do. They all shared basic elements with them, as this Joker design does, but they didn't neccessarily look like them. That continues to be an issue with fans for some reason. Which shouldn't really be an issue for fans who have embraced Nolan, because Nolan has already shown he is willing to make huge depatures from the nature and look of the comic book mythology. I'm pretty sure once fans see Joker do something remotely Jokerish, that all Nolan has or hasn't done will be forgiven, and they'll rejoice in how "faithful" he's been. That's just how most fans are. They'll ***** that something isn't faithful, then they'll see that it at least vaguely resembles faithful, and they'll embrace it.

[Rynan]

It looks a lot like Ledger to me. I'm 78% sure it's him and not someone else but i could be wrong.:huh:

I checked it. I'm not sure myself. But what I do know is that the nose is shorter in the questionable photo than the Heath photo Miranda provided and his face might be rounder.

Someone should double check, though.

[Gonking]

Doesn't look like Ledger to me

[Juggernaut33]

LOVE that Joker pic! Of course the fans are not pleased because they always are! Frankyly I think that Joker fits perfectly to Nolan's realistic world and stay faithfull to the spirit of the character. Well it's a pic so it's hard to judge the character (in the movie) on this so I think we should wait to see him in a trailer.

[Silver Souper]

I've seen his posts and responses. He may not lurk himself; but he has been on here, to my best knowledge.

dude even if it's someone claiming to be nolan, why would you believe him? didn't we just read an interview about how he doesn't use the internet and doesn't have a cell phone?

If that is Ledger, it looks like they have already applied prosthetics to his chin, it's a completely different size/shape

good eye Ghost!

[bstringer]

its time to get over this. its ledger, he's joker. move on. its unoffical, and just wait until they release an offical version, THEN lets make assumptions

[regwec]

If the picture is genuine (heaven forfend), then why has Ledger put on weight for the part?

I have noticed that he is wearing a t-shirt in this picture and a buttoned shirt in the spy pictures, so there is some hope that this is either a fake, or that the design has moved on since.

[ghost_x]

I think it is a really early/old concept, make up shot, as I mentioned before Ledger has lost alot of weight since that picture, he looks far less filled out in recent shots. It's safe to assume if it is real it is extremely old, so whether they have kept that design is anyone's guess, and one that should remain until we are shown something more recent.

[Super Kal]

as do I, even though you can consider me as one of those fans.

[Miranda Fox]

I don't think it's a recent design, either. The make-up is not professionally done - that at least, I'm certain of.

[kenellard]

I admit, I was wrong.

Honestly... I don't think this picture is a fake.

It's real.

It's Ledger.

That's the Joker.

I don't understand why anyone would go through such extreme lengths to make a manip, and say it's real.... DAYS before we're getting an official one anyway (and it's a matter of days before we see Ledger for real).

This is a real picture. There are just too many things going on in it that suggest it's real.

- It appears to be a photo OF a poster. It would be hard to manip a picture, and then manip a picture of a picture. Most of the manips on these boards are nowhere near as good as this picture... so unless there is a die-hard Batman fanboy who doesn't come to SHH (unlikely), and decided to elaborately spend hours upon hours on a photo of Heath Ledger that even Miranda can't find in her personal stash (and cannot be found on Google), and then submit his highly amazing photoshopping skills, without an ego, and without ever getting credit for his superb job.... then that is a real picture. Hands down.

- It's got a very realistic WB logo at the bottom.

- Ledger's holding a color palette (often used during make-up tests... and that's something that your average internet prankster probably wouldn't even know, and if he did, there's no way in hell he'd be smart enough to include that into a manip. Most manips are fake-posters for the film, and not manips of a behind-the-scenes make-up test. It would be illogical to show off your skills for photoshopping by making a picture of just a test).

- He fits the description we've been hearing for arguably the past year.

- Side by side comparisons PROVE that it is indeed Heath Ledger. Same nose, same eyes, same widow's peak.



It's obviously not the picture WB and Nolan wanted us to see... and that's why you feel disappointed. It's not WB approved... it's a leaked picture, but it is REAL. You guys just can't accept it. You want something more.

It looks disappointing to you... because Ledger is not "acting" in this picture. He looks very tired, he looks like he's been getting pictures taken of him for hours... he doesn't want to be there. He wants to get some f***ing sleep. So, of course, in that picture... it doesn't scream Joker, because he's not in that frame of mind at the moment.

When WB releases the OFFICIAL pic that we were SUPPOSED to see, it will be a different story. He'll look the exact same as he does in that photo... but he'll actually be in character.

The challenge:

If any of you think you're the best person on the boards when it comes to manips... I challenge you to take this photo, and make the appearance look EXACTLY like the supposed "fake" picture. Make him look like that guy in the picture... make it look like a photo OF a photo, include a WB logo, and give him a color palette.

Some of you guys are fantastic at this stuff.... so someone, make a photo of him dressed like above, and make him look exactly like he does above.

http://galleries.lycos.co.uk/d/12598-2/Heath+Ledger

Who will answer the challenge?


If you think it's too hard of a job, and you think it's not worth the time and effort... then maybe you have just proven my point. I'm not trying to be rude.. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this. If it's possible to take a simple picture of Heath Ledger and turn that picture into what we've seen.... I strongly urge someone to do it again.

you are an incredible jackass

[Octoberist]

i'm curious to see why WB hasn't taken down the Joker pic yet..

[Nepenthes]

that picture looks like ass
and it's not the final design.
even if it's a legit pic


that's all that needs to be said

[Miranda Fox]

i'm curious to see why WB hasn't taken down the Joker pic yet..

It's been up 9 hours - no way WB would let the real deal stay up that long.

It's an early test shot, if it's even legitimate at all.

[Silver Souper]

the more i look at this, the more it doesn't look like ledger

[Paradoxium]

I was expecting an inevitable "Crow" comparison, its the long hair and facial features of Ledger that gives off that look. If the actor had a more narrow face and bigger eyes, he would look less like the crow - even with the same makeup.

I think with contact lenses and some minor CG touch ups, if they can make the eyes more green and translucent it will improve the overall look. It has a more creepy effect without being over-the-top at the same time.

[Super Kal]

eh, it's not too overly impressive.

[Motown Marvel]

anyone who thinks thats not ledger in the pic is in complete denial.

[Saint]

If that is, in fact, the real deal, then I'm happy. It looks enough like the comic book Joker and still has a bit of a twist to it. Supposedly it's just a test shot, though, so I look forward to seeing the finished product (unless this is BS< which is entirely possible).

[Miranda Fox]

Jett has said he's been trying to contact WB, but no response thus far, leading him to believe that this is indeed the real deal in some form or another.

Yeah, I know.

[black_dust]

He does look an awful lot like the crow... Meh, maybe its just a test for skin tones, i will wait for trailer before i make a "OMG!!! THATS HORRID!!!" comment

[raybia]

I'm convinced that it is Ledger but I'm not convinced that is real.

Agree with Miranda that its either a manip or a concept pic. I'm leaning towards an early concept pic.

If the picture is the final version of the Joker, then unfortunately, Nolan terribly missed the mark.

If its a final version of the first stage of the Joker then...its still a little disappointing.

So, in this whirlwind of controversy, what does my gut tell me?

It tells me not to worry or panick. This is NOT the final Joker that will be doing battle with Batman and the FINAL visual look WILL be more in line with what we, as fans, want...More or less.

P.S. - If the rumors are correct that Nolan used the visual portrayal of the Joker from TDKR, then that helps to substantiate that this "leaked pic" is not the final version.


In other news, here is something from PJ Wares, BOF:

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With what we know has been shot/is shooting in Chicago, the reports that came in about that and the suggestion that the Jokers motives may relfect the 'Joker's Five Way Revenge' storyline. I have a theory.

Or maybe I shouldn't say, since my first theory about Ra's/Ducard in BB turned out to be true (and people actually insulted me for suggesting that Ducard might be an alias of Ra's, sheesh )

Ah what the hell, but just in case

SPOILER

There have been conflicting reports about the chicago shoot. Some have said the ledger was in makeup. Others have said he was not. Some have theorised that the Joker makes his getaway on zipline, others have said that he and the gang make their getaway in a truck.

My theory, all of those reports are correct, because they are for different scenes.

First scene. The Joker and his gang rob the bank (no bus used). The Joker is a normal criminal - no green hair, white makeup, or cut smile - that has a taste for theatrics, leaves a calling card etc.

His behaviour is starting to become more eratic though, he's taking unnecessary risks and his gang have had enough. After the heist they carve his smile (and dump him in a chemical bath?) and leave him for dead.

Later, he robs the same bank, has a new exit strategy and is this time the real Joker out for his revenge.

The carved smile has to come from somewhere and I suspect that Nolan will explain it. So someone would have to do it to him (unless he does it himself, please no).

I just hope that he also takes the chemical bath, because if ledger adds the green hair and white makeup himself to add to the look, I'll have to fight the urge to walk out!

[ghost_x]

If it's an old test shot, than I doubt WB will be in a hurry to take it down, unless it is similar to the final design

[wikum]

I think it is a really early/old concept, make up shot, as I mentioned before Ledger has lost alot of weight since that picture, he looks far less filled out in recent shots. It's safe to assume if it is real it is extremely old, so whether they have kept that design is anyone's guess, and one that should remain until we are shown something more recent.


i hope you are right, i was just thinking exactly the same thing myself.

i could live with this look if it wasn't for the mouth. it looks horrible.

[nightwing07]

so wut if its ledger
he looks wuteva

[Miranda Fox]

If it's an old test shot, than I doubt WB will be in a hurry to take it down, unless it is similar to the final design

Good point. :up:

[Closerframe]

This is funny I remember when the first pic for Scarecrow and Ras Al Ghul came out back in 2004 and how much everyone was complaining about how dumb they looked. This may not be the finale pic but I like the look and when everyone sees Ledger's performance everyone will fall in love with Nolan all over again....

[Boom]

1)It's Ledger. Like Motown said, if you don't see it, you're in denial.
2)We have absolutely no idea how old this picture is. It's clearly a test shot. It could be the final design. It could be an earlier one. We won't know until an official picture (or a clearer set picture) shows up.
3)The hair color in this picture doesn't match the hair color in the blurry set picture. Here it's dark emerald green. In the set picture it's a brighter green.
4)I'm fine with it. Not overly excited. If this is A)legit and B)the final design, then I'm gonna wait to see it in the context of the film.

[Octoberist]

yeah, i mean it could be anything. Test shot....Photoshopped pic CREATED by the make-up dept, perhaps? I don't know.

however, i love it when people go "it doesn't look like Heath Ledger" must be crazy. Honestly. It's freakin' Heath.

I think it's an early design, or just a bad shot. Ledger isn't even in 'character'. Plus, we haven't seen him smiling yet either, so it could look ten times better when he's "happy".

[kenellard]

I'd go with the "old test shot" theory too, it seems way too simplistic, also the scars could've been manipped onto what was a simple make-up test, just to match the recent rumours. if it is indeed a fake I could believe that too, someone makes quite a good manip, then prints and photographs it, adding to the look of legitimacy

[DV8]

yeah . . . the pic is def a test shot, and that's def Ledger . . . no way to say that's the way Joker will actually look when all is said and done though . . . if it is, I think it's a decent design as long as we get some YELLOW CONTACTS!

[Kaleb]

Stand in or Stunt double perhaps?

[Octoberist]

i'm sure that Ledger's Joker is not wearing 'make-up' in the movie either.

I like the theory that Pre-Joker wears make-up and THEN is thrown into chemicals, with the make-up buring into his skin, making his clown appearance perniment.

[Juggernaut33]

Why are you all hating that Joker's look?

[raybia]

I was expecting an inevitable "Crow" comparison, its the long hair and facial features of Ledger that gives off that look. If the actor had a more narrow face and bigger eyes, he would look less like the crow - even with the same makeup.

I think with contact lenses and some minor CG touch ups, if they can make the eyes more green and translucent it will improve the overall look. It has a more creepy effect without being over-the-top at the same time.

I agree with both accounts. The look of the Joker should not even remotely draw comparisons to the Crow.

[metalhead971]

I'm hoping for 1 of 2 things:

1) The picture is a fake

or

2) That picture is a prelim leading up to the final product, and they're testing ideas for the look.

Either way, I can say unequivocably, that the Joker with scarring on the sides of his mouth looks like total garbage, suit or no suit, green hair or no green hair.

<----Very disgruntled.

[spankadelphia]

Does anybody remember that interview with Ledger back in March when he said a makeup test was "on the agenda"?

This picture can't be THAT old, can it?

[drmick]

http://images-srv.leonardo.it/progettiweb/electra/blog/nicholson%20joker%20bn3.jpg



Not as good as the 1989 version though!

[Miranda Fox]

yeah, i mean it could be anything. Test shot....Photoshopped pic CREATED by the make-up dept, perhaps? I don't know.

however, i love it when people go "it doesn't look like Heath Ledger" must be crazy. Honestly. It's freakin' Heath.

I think it's an early design, or just a bad shot. Ledger isn't even in 'character'. Plus, we haven't seen him smiling yet either, so it could look ten times better when he's "happy".

All right, it's Heath. I just thought it was weird they lightened his eyes - it's actually, though, the one thing I liked about that photo.

[millennium movies]

^ sweet!

EDIT: damn...this was to be posted as a reply to the Jack Joker picture...

[Batman jr.]

So, fake or not? Me hopes it... :huh:

[raybia]

These various theories I've read around the net regarding the pic are quite amusing. It seems the #1 defense mechanism fanboys use when they're in utter disappointment is to make up an explanation for why it's like it is, or call it a fake.

This is almost as good as the discussion on SR's box office. Almost. :o

Umm...what a very troll-like response.

http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/images/troll.jpg

[Hudson]

you know it's kinda consistent with the hair and somewhat the color of the spy pictures.

[BatScot]

It´s neither, it´s obviously a test shot without any cinematography resources, no proper lighting, anything, but we already have fanboys screaming bloody murder like that´s exactly what he´s gonna look like in the final product.I really don’t care; at the moment I’m only interested in what I do see before me. I was actually quite interested in the Chicago pics (even though you really couldn’t see much, they peaked my curiosity nonetheless). This recent pic—whatever it is—has had the opposite effect and even if it’s only remotely accurate then I find that I have drawn back a bit.

[ghost_x]

Does anybody remember that interview with Ledger back in March when he said a makeup test was "on the agenda"?

This picture can't be THAT old, can it?

it CAN and by the change in Ledger's natural appearance than to now it may be likely

[dark_b]

actually this looks 100% the same as the spy pics. it looks 100% like ledger. so if this is a manip than some guy has on hes computer pics of ledger that are not on the net(we now tha tthis is not true).


or maybe this is a test shot.

bottom line expect something like this in the movie.

[SuperAl]

that pic looks pretty bad, tho i dont understand why they would take such a ****ty picture and leave it laying around somewhere. Hes doesnt have a big smile on or anything and you'd think if they were testing looks they'd have him put on a big grin to see if he looks creepy. It could be some look alike trying to be funny, hey if i looked like Ledger id do the same thing.

If its real, then hopefully it'll look better under dark lighting and with a big grin on his face

[SuperAl]

that pic looks pretty bad, tho i dont understand why they would take such a ****ty picture and leave it laying around somewhere. Hes doesnt have a big smile on or anything and you'd think if they were testing looks they'd have him put on a big grin to see if he looks creepy. It could be some look alike trying to be funny, hey if i looked like Ledger id do the same thing.

If its real, then hopefully it'll look better under dark lighting and with a big grin on his face

[DraXXXen]

The the scars on his face self inflicted, he slices open those cheek scars ('if you gatta go, go with a smile!' and have a giant grin like in Ichi the Killer...now that will be creepy for the end of the movie.

[Motown Marvel]

i dontknow if anyone posted these yet....but nolan seems to be inspired by lee bermejo's joker (bermejo also usually has similar eye scars on the joker):

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/060604/jokercover.jpg

[BatScot]

Ya know… the worst thing about these pics—real, crap, fake, whatever—is all the frigg'n newbies they've spawned LOL!

[CConn]

If this is the design, it's underwhelming. It's good they downplayed the carved-in smile as much as possible. It's nothing to complain about, but Ledger will have to give one hell of a performance to become legendary. With Nicholson's Joker, just his picture was definitive.

[Motown Marvel]

edit, double post

[kenellard]

http://images-srv.leonardo.it/progettiweb/electra/blog/nicholson%20joker%20bn3.jpg



Not as good as the 1989 version though!

see, now THAT is indimidating, freakish and freightenning, in response to people who said about the "test shot" that he's got white skin, red lips and green hair, so what more do you want, well, I for one want THIS, ladies & gentlemen, THE JOKER

[BatScot]

i dontknow if anyone posted these yet....but nolan seems to be inspired by lee bermejo's joker... Those pics been posted here more times than the Conrad Veidt manip... and that's saying a lot.

[Hudson]

I really like it.
it'll fit well within Nolan's Batverse

[dark_b]

i think i will have to get used to teh scars around teh mouth.
if this is how he looks he will fit 100% in nolans world. he will be dark and creepy .

now the question is he is written funny or like a 100% dark character.

[NoName86]

Does anybody remember that interview with Ledger back in March when he said a makeup test was "on the agenda"?

This picture can't be THAT old, can it?
I really don't think so as in march there were photos taken of him with a moustache/small beard going on.

[Motown Marvel]

Those pics been posted here more times than the Conrad Veidt manip... and that's saying a lot.

lets not go overboard there. and i wasnt sure if they'd been posted since this new photo came out, and since thats what it reminded me of, figured it could be brought up.

[TheDemon'sHead]

I think it's a real. I didn't think it was Ledger at first and just a stand-in for a make-up test but doing a side-by-side it's either him or someone who looks a LOT like him.
But I'm happy. I like how it looks and I also really like that they are making the smile self-inflicted. It makes him even nuttier.

[Silver Souper]

Ya know… the worst thing about these pics—real, crap, fake, whatever—is all the frigg'n newbies they've spawned LOL!

...sigh...

we've had some cool newbies show up in the past 6 months or so but most of the newbs that arrived since filming began have been extremely irritating. extremely.

[seishin87]

At the moment I wouldn't use this as a judge of how the Joker will look like. I don't think it's a test shot, more likely it's a guide pic for the makeup artist on set. I would guess it was taken by someone who got access to the makeup trailer on the Chicago set. For a pic like that if used to assist in the application of the makeup they would want Ledger to have as straight a face as possible. I know Ledger can crack a pretty wickedly insane Joker grin. Now if you combine that with this leaked pic then I think we'll forget all this Crow nonsense.

[kenellard]

can someone find the coloured one without the cut smile? that's what I call a perfect joker

[NoName86]

I seen this pic early this morning, and was very angry. Now i'm actually kinda feeling it. I think that he could only benefit from some prosthetics, but it looks pretty good. I'm indifferent about all the scars, as I really don't think it adds or takes away from the Joker. I swear though when I look at it I see a lot of the Joker from his first appearence. Look at the photo of Joker brooding in his chair, in a mediative state, and then look at Ledger. I'm sure they slicked the hair back too, so he really isn't too far from the original Joker.


My problem was more so that I expected something a lot different, and far more drastic than what they went with, but seeing that for while makes me feel that it will be a good Joker. It was never the psychology of the Joker I was worried about, because I knew Goyer would nail that.

[Mike_D202]

My opinion? I think the make up tests are real (both of them). Hes wearing the same grey shirt in both pics. Remember that rumor that the joker "collects" his look over a short period?

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n28/MikeD202/jokerstages.jpg

[NoName86]

I'm not totally sure I understand why you guys seem to assume his smile is self infliced? Surely he wouldn't cut smallscars on his neck and eyebrow too?

[Banshee]

Damn there are some cry babies on this forum. Its obvious its not an official release, I don't understand why all you babies are throwing tantrums.

[Cinemaman]

Personally I love Joker with long hair but without any scars.

[kenellard]

This isn't exactly relevant, I just love this site, from wwtdd.com

AICN is running what they claim to be the first picture of Heath Ledger as the Joker in next summers "the Dark Knight", the sequel to "Batman Begins". The image is taken from a makeup test done internally for Warner Bothers. It may or may not be real, because it doesn't even really look like Ledger. It might be his stand-in. Who for some reason has 9 fingers on his right hand. Either way, he just looks kinda dorky. Not scary. But I guess if you like goth poser homos in eyeliner, Heath Ledger as the Joker is like a magical bundle of wishes and you two perverts should run away together.

[dark_b]

for christ sake i dont know why but i just like the pic every minute more.

lets see if they can top this with the official designe. or maybe this is the final look.

come on guys deep inside you were expecting somethign like this.

[Mike_D202]

My opinion? Both pictures are real make up tests (photoshopped or not). Remember that rumor that the joker collects pieces of his costume and his overall look over time? Well, hes wearing the grey t-shirt in each photo.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n28/MikeD202/jokerstages.jpg

[Miranda Fox]

Yeah, everything I've read tells me no-one loves that shot, sadly so different to the reactions of those blurry pics. :/

And you know, WB yanked the Tumblers pics from the BB website when they met with negativity...why are they are just sitting on their arses about this?

[LostSon88]

Ya know… the worst thing about these pics—real, crap, fake, whatever—is all the frigg'n newbies they've spawned LOL!

Agreed. :csad:

In regards of the photo, i'm indifferent to it but i'll wait for an official release by WB before jumping to any conclusions...

[Carmine Falcone]

Oh man, you gotta love it. People going completely ape****, a whole lot of posters saying the movie is doomed, people analysing the lighting like it's the Harvey Lee Oswald photograph, and he's even got a sixth finger now for christ's sake.



Seems like old times;
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l136/Facone_Snoek/firstlook.jpg

[Mike_D202]

Theres always nay-sayers until the movie comes out, then its "a masterpiece", lol.

[regwec]

Call me superficial, but I would have hoped for a Joker that fans would more or less unanimously meet with cries of "cool", or at least "not bad". I think it is legitimate to say that a concept which meets with either derision or the sad spectacle of fans trying to find reasons to like it has fallen a little short of the mark.

[ghost_x]

My opinion? Both pictures are real make up tests (photoshopped or not). Remember that rumor that the joker collects pieces of his costume and his overall look over time? Well, hes wearing the grey t-shirt in each photo.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n28/MikeD202/jokerstages.jpg

Dude, that Stage 1 picture is a manip, the source image is from a different Ledger film. That is safe to assume is not remotely authentic

[batmaluco]

I like the look. The only thing I don't like about it is that scarring on the sides of his mouth.

It doesn't seem right, after they said it will be "more about his eyes" and then drew our attention to the scarred smile.
Doesn't it seem a bit contradictory?

And I'm glad they didn't come up with the permanent smile, but then, isn't a carved smile a kind of perma-smile?

[breyfogle_rules]

Here's a quick manip WITHOUT SCARS. I think it works. I think he could be scary. And its cool if he looks like some urban fetish weirdo. In real life that's what he would be. Probably listens to Coil and likes to fill his nutsac with saline solution. That type.


http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8915/noscarsde5.jpg

[Silver Souper]

^ what else is funny is that half SWEAR it's ledger in the photo and the other half are convinced it's not. i really don't think it's him- looks more like one of tim allen's sons from home improvement. you know- the femme one with awful blonde hair. oh wait- that was all of them...

[Leon the Professional]

Well, I was one of the few who was in favor of the carved smile idea, so I'm pleased to see he has one.

However, I am underwhelmed by it's execution. I think it would look much better if the carving was redish like his lips, so it really looks like a wide grotesque grin. Also, I think it would look better if the scarring were indented instead of rasied, and thicker at the edges of his lips then tapering off instead of being uniformly thin. Basically, I think it would look better if it were just like Bermejo's drawing, not the black/white headshot from BOF (his smile is way too mutilated in that one), but the pic of him behind the dead guy eating spaghetti.

Also, I'm not sure I like the idea of him having other little scars over his face.

What I'll be really disappointed about, though, is if he's not going to have any prosthetics to make his facial features more Joker-like. We were all picking our favorites for the role in a large part by how certain actors look, and no one thought of Ledger because he doesn't really look Jokerish at all. Now Nolan felt that Ledger has it in him to give the best performance for the Joker's character, and I trust him. However, I was strongly hoping that Nolan would then give Ledger some facial prosthetics, especially for the nose, just like Mickey Rourke wore prosthetics for Marv in Sin City.

Lastly, I was hoping that Ledger would lose a little more weight than he seems to have in this pic.

But I'm not freaking out about this. I still give Nolan the benefit of the doubt until we see an officially-released photo. Plus, since WB hasn't demanded that the pic be taken down, it seems to me like its fake anyway.

[kenellard]

Call me superficial, but I would have hoped for a Joker that fans would more or less unanimously meet with cries of "cool", or at least "not bad". I think it is legitimate to say that a concept which meets with either derision or the sad spectacle of fans trying to find reasons to like it has fallen a little short of the mark.

exactly.

[Mike_D202]

LMAO...this is funny. Ironic how the "joker's look debate" is funny in itself. The guy is pale, green hair, and red lips...he looks like the friggin' joker! The only thing people keep complaining about are the scars...remember the sides? Who the hell is gonna look "terrified" looking at the joker if he just wearing clown make up?

[gillberg2k1]

It's real.

[itsthebatman]

Call me superficial, but I would have hoped for a Joker that fans would more or less unanimously meet with cries of "cool", or at least "not bad". I think it is legitimate to say that a concept which meets with either derision or the sad spectacle of fans trying to find reasons to like it has fallen a little short of the mark.
Co-signed. If it pisses most of the fans off, it can't be good. it's just not Joker enough for me - looks like a Goth who recently discovered hair dye. Man, I hope it's fake.

[Miranda Fox]

It's real.

Thanks for letting us know Gill.

[kenellard]

LMAO...this is funny. Ironic how the "joker's look debate" is funny in itself. The guy is pale, green hair, and red lips...he looks like the friggin' joker! The only thing people keep complaining about are the scars...remember the sides? Who the hell is gonna look "terrified" looking at the joker if he just wearing clown make up?

ever heard of something being less than the sum of its parts?

[Hudson]

Too late for that thing.

[dark_b]

Co-signed. If it pisses most of the fans off, it can't be good. it's just not Joker enough for me - looks like a Goth who recently discovered hair dye. Man, I hope it's fake.hohohoho.
whait a minute is is 2005 ...is this the superman forum?

:huh:

:cwink:

[Muziko]

I'm excited by this new pic... and that's all I can say right now. I'm excited because it's a picture that gives us SOME idea of this guy's appearance. We don't know if it's final/official - so I'm not going to make any judgements. The only negative aspect that stands out to me (of THAT particular pic) is the cut smile... I simply do not like it at all.

Cambio y Fuera,
Muziko

[typeorocks]

the new pic is growing on me....the more I see it I like it. And just to think on screen its gonna look a lot better.

[kenellard]

does this mean WB will be more inclined to release an official pic sooner? like, really?

[ghost_x]

Here's a quick manip WITHOUT SCARS. I think it works. I think he could be scary. And its cool if he looks like some urban fetish weirdo. In real life that's what he would be. Probably listens to Coil and likes to fill his nutsac with saline solution. That type.


http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8915/noscarsde5.jpg

Even though I'm fairly certain it's not Ledger, after looking at it for a while, there is something fairly suave, vein about the look without the cut smile. With some additions, to his clothes and a less subtle make up job this look is growing on me

[breyfogle_rules]

I made a transparent mask of ledgers face from a good foto, then scaled it and super imposed it over this face. It synched up PERFECTLY. I then dodged the eyes so they looked more like Ledgers usually beady-ass monkey eyes and it is clearly him.
What's throwing people off is the blue contacts and eye shadow.

[Mysterio]

http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/cinema/2636/fnfclsup.jpg

[Silver Souper]

BOF thinks it's a fake

[Miranda Fox]

BOF thinks it's a fake

As much as I'd love to believe it was, Gill knows what he's talking about.

[regwec]

So do I, though Jett has come to that impression because WB aren't talking to him, which seems rather optimistic.

[Rynan]

BOF thinks it's a fake

I wouldn't build a house on that, Souper. BOF says alot of things and posts alot of things, some of which are more opinion than truth.

[Saint]

Call me superficial, but I would have hoped for a Joker that fans would more or less unanimously meet with cries of "cool", or at least "not bad". I think it is legitimate to say that a concept which meets with either derision or the sad spectacle of fans trying to find reasons to like it has fallen a little short of the mark.

I think you're being unfair, Regwec. There are plenty of people who genuinely like it--myself included. The response doesn't seem much different than the mixed reaction the batsuit got in '04.

I can see it really working. It's just the Joker with some conservative scarring added. Personally, I am extremely relieved--there were so many reports about the Joker looking horribly scarred that I was worried they'd go overboard. Worse, everyone on these boards seemed to agree--suddenly everyone was shouting that the Joker should look like a monster. Why should he look like a monster? He should look like the Joker.

That's what we've got here. I think the skin colour is in the right area--maybe needs to be a touch more pale). The problem with doing straight white flesh is that it simply reads as make-up (this is the same reason Mystique is has scales in X-Men, and Nightcrawler has scars--simply painting them blue would look like exactly that: people painted blue). I think they've struck the appropriate balance to make it look like a guy with his skin chemically bleached (though, as I said, I hope it's a little more white than it seems). The hair is exactly what I was looking for. I could have gone either way on the scars, and since they're subtle, they get the thumbs up.

Yeah, he's got kind of a grunge look, so I understand that some people don't like it, but I think it's pretty cool looking. I look forward to the finished product.

[bdaythug]

can anyone explain the 6 fingers in that new joker pic? has it already been discussed?

[Rynan]

My opinion? I think the make up tests are real (both of them). Hes wearing the same grey shirt in both pics. Remember that rumor that the joker "collects" his look over a short period?

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n28/MikeD202/jokerstages.jpg

The left one has been proven a fake.

[fabman]

I agree with Saint!!!

[conan69]

I dont like the scars.

CGI a larger smile, like the cheek wound in Pan Labyrinth and we might have something.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4034/vlcsnap287447rk0.jpg

[regwec]

Saint: I agree that it could have been a great deal worse, and that many posters here had some feeble ideas of their own, but that does not amount to an endorsement on my part. For me, it remains an acute disappointment.

[kenellard]

I think you're being unfair, Regwec. There are plenty of people who genuinely like it--myself included. The response doesn't seem much different than the mixed reaction the batsuit got in '04.

I can see it really working. It's just the Joker with some conservative scarring added. Personally, I am extremely relieved--there were so many reports about the Joker looking horribly scarred that I was worried they'd go overboard. Worse, everyone on these boards seemed to agree--suddenly everyone was shouting that the Joker should look like a monster. Why should he look like a monster? He should look like the Joker.

That's what we've got here. I think the skin colour is in the right area--maybe needs to be a touch more pale). The problem with doing straight white flesh is that it simply reads as make-up (this is the same reason Mystique is has scales in X-Men, and Nightcrawler has scars--simply painting them blue would look like exactly that: people painted blue). I think they've struck the appropriate balance to make it look like a guy with his skin chemically bleached (though, as I said, I hope it's a little more white than it seems). The hair is exactly what I was looking for. I could have gone either way on the scars, and since they're subtle, they get the thumbs up.

Yeah, he's got kind of a grunge look, so I understand that some people don't like it, but I think it's pretty cool looking. I look forward to the finished product.

I know the photo isn't "horrible" exactly, but can you honestly say you were impressed when you saw it?

[Saint]

Saint: I agree that it could have been a great deal worse, and that many posters here had some feeble ideas of their own, but that does not amount to an endorsement on my part.
I did not mean to imply that I like it because "it could have been worse." I like it because I like it; that it is also a relief is only an added bonus.

[Motown Marvel]

the thing that would concern me when debating whether or not this is real: look at the jaw line and how its alligned to the neck. now, the head is looking straight forward, and the body is straight forward, but the head seems to be placed off center of the neck (you can see far more jaw on one side, while the other side the jaw line is pretty much lined up with the neck).