The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[Phlibbit]

This is kinda off-topic, but has anyone seen what Batman Confidential #7 is about?

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/7612_180x270.jpg

From DCComics.com:

What kind of person becomes a Joker? Writer Michael Green (Heroes writer/producer) and classic Batman artist Denys Cowan shed light on who the Joker was before he became the Joker…and how he and Batman crossed paths even before the day he was created.

[Miranda Fox]

This is kinda off-topic, but has anyone seen what Batman Confidential #7 is about?

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/7612_180x270.jpg

From DCComics.com:

What kind of person becomes a Joker? Writer Michael Green (Heroes writer/producer) and classic Batman artist Denys Cowan shed light on who the Joker was before he became the Joker…and how he and Batman crossed paths even before the day he was created.

Yeah, I saw that. And I dunno...that drawing looks a little like Heath. But I'm not reading too much into it.

[Steelsheen]

This is kinda off-topic, but has anyone seen what Batman Confidential #7 is about?

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/7612_180x270.jpg

From DCComics.com:

What kind of person becomes a Joker? Writer Michael Green (Heroes writer/producer) and classic Batman artist Denys Cowan shed light on who the Joker was before he became the Joker…and how he and Batman crossed paths even before the day he was created.

so they're gonna bring Joker in? cool! :up:

still waiting for my BC#5 though :(

[Phlibbit]

Yeah, I doubt that it's TDK-related, but it is interesting that DC is actually shedding light on Joker's origins.

And BC #5 was terrible. :(

[LiveWire777]

Joker Rocks My Socks :D

[regwec]

It might well offer us a hint. The Batman comics seem to act as some kind og Delphic Oracle to the films. This comic may at least offer something to silence those who insist that Morrison's Batman 663 was a premonition of The Dark Knight.

[Muziko]

Yeah, I doubt that it's TDK-related, but it is interesting that DC is actually shedding light on Joker's origins.

And BC #5 was terrible. :(

I wonder if the Joker origin story/plot will coincide with what TDK gives us (that is... IF they discuss a Joker origin at all)

[SpinyNorman]

Maybe his parents were killed by bats.

Bats dressed like clowns.

[zerohour films]

Don't know how I feel about the cut smile yet--or even if that's the route they are going. I think like alot of you have said it depends on the characterization of how it could work. I personally would rather see the classic look, but am not opposed to change if it adds to the character without straying too far from what we have come to know and love.

But on the subject of '89 I always wondered where Joker's scars where.
I mean we see him in that ratty doctor's office and all of those bloody tools, but he didn't have any marks on him. Obviously the doctor was doing some type of procedure on him---but that is a discussion for another thread.

[Miranda Fox]

It might well offer us a hint. The Batman comics seem to act as some kind og Delphic Oracle to the films. This comic may at least offer something to silence those who insist that Morrison's Batman 663 was a premonition of The Dark Knight.

In that case, I support it.

Anyway, speaking of TDK's interpretation - if the bank robbery is any indication, they at least seem to have got the character on the right track.

No, I don't think 'guy's in clown masks' makes theatricality, however I do think a plot the kind he apparently worked out does. It's clever but, well, Joker. Who else would use a school bus, of all things, as an escape vehicle?

[SpinyNorman]

Who else would use a school bus, of all things, as an escape vehicle?

Probably a crazed school bus driver.

Oh, Uncle Ernie. No one knew how important your medication was until you went off it on that one fateful school day.

EDIT: Don't mind me, I'm just going insane.

[breyfogle_rules]

Probably a crazed school bus driver.

Oh, Uncle Ernie. No one knew how important your medication was until you went off it on that one fateful school day.

EDIT: Don't mind me, I'm just going insane.

:woot: funny!

[jsf]

Don't mind me, I'm just going insane.

sanity is a point of view

[Bandyt]

I know it's cheesey, but I really want the whole "Joker shoots gun, bang sign comes out, person breathes sigh of relief, Joker pulls trigger and bang sign shoots out and impales person" thing, I always thought that was awesome. I DON'T want all the suddenly appearing gags from the '89 movie, like, all of a sudden he has a fake hand on him on the top of a cathedral, and when they find him on the pavement, they pull out a green bag that's laughing a "bag of laughs". Oh, and did anyone else wonder where all those goons came from on top of the Cathedral in the battle scene?

[Batty Belfry]

This is kinda off-topic, but has anyone seen what Batman Confidential #7 is about?

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/7612_180x270.jpg

From DCComics.com:

What kind of person becomes a Joker? Writer Michael Green (Heroes writer/producer) and classic Batman artist Denys Cowan shed light on who the Joker was before he became the Joker…and how he and Batman crossed paths even before the day he was created.

OMG! Before Joker became the Joker, he looked just like Dirty Harry!!! Even right down to crappy brown suit, .44 mag-esque weapon and the hair!

[hannya]

Yes, I know. As I said before, you seem to think that the opposite of origin x "self inflicted" is origin y "externally inflicted". My preference is for no concrete origin, as I believe that this allows the best representation in a compact film format of the pure evil that The Joker signifies in the DCU. Effectively, I want J to transcend preconceptions of the murderer or sociopath in film. I want him to conform to a paradigm staked out by Satan, Loki and Iblis rather than a previously wrought movie character.

Satan would fit the origin x scenario, would he not? Unless you want to disregard the Book of Revelations. I see what you're getting at, but I wonder how long a character you're describing can remain interesting on screen, as opposed to episodic comic book narrative appearances.

[ghost_x]

OMG! Before Joker became the Joker, he looked just like Dirty Harry!!! Even right down to crappy brown suit, .44 mag-esque weapon and the hair!

I was thinking the exact same thing...weird

[Agentsands77]

Oh, and did anyone else wonder where all those goons came from on top of the Cathedral in the battle scene?
Everybody does. I think the novelization had an explanation for it, though... but I can't recall it.

Personally, I've never liked the goons-in-the-cathedral moment, or the Joker/Batman confrontation. Burton builds up all this immense tension and drama with the walk up the staircase... It builds, and builds, and builds... And Batman gets to the top. What happens? A cartoonish, funny fight with some lame thugs, and what happens when he takes on the Joker? More goofiness.

I mean, in Burton's film, this is the Wayne's killer. This confrontation should be epic. It should be dramatic. It should be one for the ages. And they have the setting and build-up just right. It's a shame that the whole thing feels more than a little anticlimactic.

[Agentsands77]

I see what you're getting at, but I wonder how long a character you're describing can remain interesting on screen, as opposed to episodic comic book narrative appearances.
Umm... at least for a few films, if Hannibal Lecter is any indication. He's a fascinating character for all of his screentime in both SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and HANNIBAL, and never gets any amount of background material (at least in the films... the novel HANNIBAL starts to go into it).

[hannya]

Umm... at least for a few films, if Hannibal Lecter is any indication. He's a fascinating character for all of his screentime in both SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and HANNIBAL, and never gets any amount of background material (at least in the films... the novel HANNIBAL starts to go into it).
I disagree. Mesmerizing in "Lambs", a bit of a tedious bore in "Hannibal"; I hardly think the messes called "Red Dragon" and "Hannibal Rising" support the "at least for a few films" argument either. By "Hannibal", Lecter had become a caricature, a Halloween Michael Myers with a giant IQ.
I think a villain with no influences, external or internal, will get very dull very quickly. Besides, where's the dramatic satisfaction in mindless violence? Steven Segal films exist to fill that particular void. I (personally) don't think that's what Ledger was hinting at when he talked about the Joker's "pure anarchy".

[Saint]

It might well offer us a hint. The Batman comics seem to act as some kind og Delphic Oracle to the films. This comic may at least offer something to silence those who insist that Morrison's Batman 663 was a premonition of The Dark Knight.
You should be prepared to see Morrison's Joker stick around for the foreseeable future. All indications suggest it is not a "one-off" as you supposed earlier.

[Murano]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/murano_bucket/Pic.jpg

[NoName86]

:lol: is that supposed to be a "real" picture, because to me it looks like one of the shots taken of him during the filming on the street.

[Muziko]

I think that's one of the set pics we've seen - just photoshopped a bit. Not anything to get excited over.

[Nepenthes]

Ha ha nice one Murano can we get a larger pic?

[jimmy]

Nice first post.

[Miranda Fox]

*pouts* That wasn't even a GOOD photoshop. I got all excited for nothing.

[jimmy]

You're telling me. . .

[Agentsands77]

I disagree. Mesmerizing in "Lambs", a bit of a tedious bore in "Hannibal"; I hardly think the messes called "Red Dragon" and "Hannibal Rising" support the "at least for a few films" argument either.
Well, a "few films" means about two, which is all he's present for. He's still going to be rather mysterious and shadow-y in THE DARK KNIGHT, and then likely a supporting character in BATMAN BEGINS III, so it's not like he's going to be exposed that much. You can definitely leave him origin-less for those two films.

And I'm in the rare group of people who thinks HANNIBAL is superior to the very overrated SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, even though Hopkins is better in the latter.

I think a villain with no influences, external or internal, will get very dull very quickly.
Well, the Joker, with his hundreds of appearances, has rarely had connections to an origin within the story. And he seems to be just as interesting now as he was then.

The BTAS didn't even bother to give him an origin (unless you kind of count the revelation in MASK OF THE PHANTASM), and the character was still the best villain.

I (personally) don't think that's what Ledger was hinting at when he talked about the Joker's "pure anarchy".
Suit yourself... it seems to me to be exactly what he's talking about. This sort of "trainwreck that never stops" (Ledger's wording was something to that effect). He's essentially chaos embodied, which is very resonant in a mythological sort of way, and we don't need an origin to explain him away.

[Bandyt]

They can't kill the Joker, I just realised, they have to have him for Superman/Batman movie, him and Mr. Myx are behind it all! muahahahahhaha!!!!

[regwec]

You should be prepared to see Morrison's Joker stick around for the foreseeable future. All indications suggest it is not a "one-off" as you supposed earlier.

Really? I tend to read comics in large batches, every month or so, so I'm not up to speed. If your instincts are right, let me say...

BUGGER.

I hated that look with prejudice.

[Agentsands77]

Yup. Morrison's Joker revamp looks like it's here to stay. It's a fascinating rejuvenation of the character... I dig it. There will always be plenty of "classic" Joker to go around, but it'll be fascinating to see where this new Joker takes us.

[Murano]

:woot: Sorry, I was just testing the image posting things and setting up photobucket etc...
I just used a random picture, wasn't attempting to pass it off as a so called "scooped" pic....honest. :yay:

Now It's all set up properly I'll send a better pic.
Hope you like. :cwink:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/murano_bucket/HeathLedge_joker.jpg

[CyberFaust]

i want pics though, i cannae wait for a good joker poster to add to my collection
and ledger will probably make a better joker, i can really see him as the joker

[ghost_x]

:woot: Sorry, I was just testing the image posting things and setting up photobucket etc...
I just used a random picture, wasn't attempting to pass it off a a "scooped" pic....honest. :yay:

Now It's set up properly I'll send a better pic.
Hope you like.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/murano_bucket/HeathLedge_joker.jpg

I like this

[Wams]

I don't wanna recognize the actor.
http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/262/0/b/Clown_Prince_by_BroHawk.jpg

:batman:
:supes:

[IamtheBatman]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/murano_bucket/HeathLedge_joker.jpg

Hey, Ledger looks like Jon Bon Jovi if Jon Bon Jovi had white skin and green hair.

[RedIsNotBlue]

This Coke tastes like Pepsi.

[Miranda Fox]

This thread needs more Heath:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2386/out062446js2.jpg

[Saint]

Really? I tend to read comics in large batches, every month or so, so I'm not up to speed. If your instincts are right, let me say...

BUGGER.

I hated that look with prejudice.
He hasn't appeared since then, but the comments from Morrison suggest this is meant to last.

I personally loved the issue. I think it was a wonderful take on the Joker, and his new persona should fuel an interesting new dynamic between himself and Batman. I'm always up for writers trying new things, and if that means putting up with a scarred Joker for a few years (before some other writer comes along and undoes it), then that's okay with me. I'd actually like to see where othr artists take this new look (I found Morrison's description to be very interesting and frightening, but the art itself was mediocre).

[ghost_x]

This thread needs more Heath:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2386/out062446js2.jpg

This image is ripe for me to manip. I'm going to take a stab at it soon

[Miranda Fox]

This image is ripe for me to manip. I'm going to take a stab at it soon

I'd love to see that. :up:

[Ani-mater]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1425/tdkjokerkl0.jpg

Got this in my inbox this morning. From what my buddy tells me, the mouth is ripped, not cut as if his face were brutally mutilated. From the research I did, an existing photograph was used for this make-up design.

By the way, pieeye is a personal friend of mine. I havent talked to him for a while. He is now training to work in film production. This looks to me like it might be his work, but until I can contact him I can't be sure... more later perhaps.

-:ninja:

[Mr. Thing]

That is pretty much what I'm expecting to see, and what I want to see.

[regwec]

He hasn't appeared since then, but the comments from Morrison suggest this is meant to last.

I personally loved the issue. I think it was a wonderful take on the Joker, and his new persona should fuel an interesting new dynamic between himself and Batman. I'm always up for writers trying new things, and if that means putting up with a scarred Joker for a few years (before some other writer comes along and undoes it), then that's okay with me. I'd actually like to see where othr artists take this new look (I found Morrison's description to be very interesting and frightening, but the art itself was mediocre).

The issue was interesting, with many nice ideas, though I found it to be over-written in a fairly pretentious style (yes, the irony of those words coming from this keyboard isn't lost on me). The art was pretty rubbish, though the clowns were well rendered. I liked it as an experiment. I'm not terribly pleased to be saddled with the experiment for x issues, however. An even more bloodthirsty, less intelligent and facially petrified Joker seems like a regressive step after Infinate Crisis, which seemed to promise a fusion of the best of the four ages of the DCU. I also loathe Bermejo's zombified Joker concept, and this seemed like a mistep in that direction.

In any case, I would prefer a less radical approach to the character in The Dark Knight. It's not that I hate innovation, only that I do not think we have yet seen the character in its entirety on film.

[Steelsheen]

:woot: Sorry, I was just testing the image posting things and setting up photobucket etc...
I just used a random picture, wasn't attempting to pass it off as a so called "scooped" pic....honest. :yay:

Now It's all set up properly I'll send a better pic.
Hope you like. :cwink:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/murano_bucket/HeathLedge_joker.jpg

hey this is pretty good work :up:




This thread needs more Heath:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2386/out062446js2.jpg

this here shows why Ledger got the part.

[Miranda Fox]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1425/tdkjokerkl0.jpg

Got this in my inbox this morning. From what my buddy tells me, the mouth is ripped, not cut as if his face were brutally mutilated. From the research I did, an existing photograph was used for this make-up design.

By the way, pieeye is a personal friend of mine. I havent talked to him for a while. He is now training to work in film production. This looks to me like it might be his work, but until I can contact him I can't be sure... more later perhaps.

-:ninja:

Whilst I'm too damn jaded to buy that it's legit, I will say...I actually really like it. And anyone who knows what my opinion on cut-smiles is will let you know how miraculous that is. ;)

[Miranda Fox]

this here shows why Ledger got the part.

:up:

[Agentsands77]

Well there's the whole image! Me likey, actually, and I'm against the scar-smile concept. I like it here because of its subtlety... it actually adds to the smile rather than just making him a grotesque horror character. I also like how the skin seems realistically bleached. It doesn't look like somebody put some white foundation on him, it looks like it was actually due to a chemical reaction.

I don't know whether I buy the pic as official or not, but I have to say, the detail of that manip is astounding - so astounding, in fact, that I have trouble buying it as a fan-made creation. It has that in its favor, but as with Miranda, I'm too jaded to really buy it.

[Mr. Thing]

Whilst I'm too damn jaded to buy that it's legit, I will say...I actually really like it. And anyone who knows what my opinion on cut-smiles is will let you know how miraculous that is. ;)

Yeah, it looks like the Joker, while adding new ideas, but never losing the traditional look.

[Miranda Fox]

Well there's the whole image! Me likey, actually, and I'm against the scar-smile concept. I like it here because of its subtlety... it actually adds to the smile rather than just making him a grotesque horror character.

I also like how the skin seems realistically bleached. It doesn't look like somebody put some white foundation on him, it looks like it was actually due to a chemical reaction.

You hit the nail on the head Agent - it actually adds a clownish aspect, something no cut-smile ideas have managed to do thus far.

Even if Ani is lying through his teeth, he at least made a cool image. I can respect that. :woot:

[Schlosser85]

That unmanipulated picture of Ledger with the really wide Joker-looking grin does make you feel better about him in the role, doesn't it? The man does have a very big grin.

By the way, that last photoshop is one of my favorites, it's a good job, and it actually looks the way I'd kind of expect Nolan to go...somewhat toned down, but still Joker-ish.

[Steelsheen]

That unmanipulated picture of Ledger with the really wide Joker-looking grin does make you feel better about him in the role, doesn't it? The man does have a very big grin.
no prosthetics required ;)

[Miranda Fox]

That unmanipulated picture of Ledger with the really wide Joker-looking grin does make you feel better about him in the role, doesn't it? The man does have a very big grin.

Indeed! I wish there were more pictures that showcased it like but I imagine we'll have plenty of actual Joker pictures come this time next year whatever. :woot:

[Steek]

That unmanipulated picture of Ledger with the really wide Joker-looking grin does make you feel better about him in the role, doesn't it? The man does have a very big grin.

By the way, that last photoshop is one of my favorites, it's a good job, and it actually looks the way I'd kind of expect Nolan to go...somewhat toned down, but still Joker-ish.
And a hairy chest but I don't think that's essential the character.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You know what..this Joker is probably going to be the most sadistic **** ever created as a bad guy for a superhero film.

ledger is perfectly cast.

[Miranda Fox]

You know what..this Joker is probably going to be the most sadistic **** ever created as a bad guy for a superhero film.

ledger is perfectly cast.

:up: :joker:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

:up: :joker:



you see i love that deep voice he has.. he sounds very serious as in Broke back.. I'm just hoping he pulls of the high octane adrenaline fuelled joker we all love.

[DorkyFresh]

so....is that an official pic or a manip?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

manip

[Mr. Thing]

But apparently a very close manip.

[Agentsands77]

so....is that an official pic or a manip?
There's some ambiguity as to that, but it's probably a manip.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

If he looks like that..i will be very ****ing happy.

[Eros]

you see i love that deep voice he has.. he sounds very serious as in Broke back.. I'm just hoping he pulls of the high octane adrenaline fuelled joker we all love.


Bringing up his really great performance/work in Broke back Mountain is probably not a good idea online.:o

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Bringing up his really great performance/work in Broke back Moutain is probably not a good idea online.:o

why because of a bit of bumming.

some people are so small minded, so he played a gay cowboy.. big ****ing deal.

[dark_b]

you think he should have a lot of texture on hes face? you know like this manip?
a very clean skin would not work for me but lets see.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

texture here and there..the chemical burns.

[Miranda Fox]

Bringing up his really great performance/work in Broke back Moutain is probably not a good idea online.

...

I MUST hear the reasoning behind this comment. Sounds like something truly lulz-worthy.

[dark_b]

texture here and there..the chemical burns.yeah thats what i am talking about.
i think he needs some burns or something.
in the comics its just to simple. but ok thats because of the comics.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

...

I MUST hear the reasoning behind this comment. Sounds like something truly lulz-worthy.

no we don't sweet girl.

it starts wars.

its because of the bumming. trust me.

[Miranda Fox]

no we don't sweet girl.

it starts wars.

its because of the bumming. trust me.

"Gay sex is soooooo hot!"

But yes, I'm afraid you're right.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

"Gay sex is soooooo hot!"

But yes, I'm afraid you're right.

I think my auntie Mark would agree with you.

;)

[IamtheBatman]

So, where are we at? At this moment so many posts its hard to catch up to.

[Leon the Professional]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1425/tdkjokerkl0.jpg

Got this in my inbox this morning. From what my buddy tells me, the mouth is ripped, not cut as if his face were brutally mutilated. From the research I did, an existing photograph was used for this make-up design.

By the way, pieeye is a personal friend of mine. I havent talked to him for a while. He is now training to work in film production. This looks to me like it might be his work, but until I can contact him I can't be sure... more later perhaps.

-:ninja:


This would be very nice if it's real.

I'd prefer just slightly longer cuts to his smile, but these little slits are great too, and I think a good compromise between those few who want a carved smile and the others who don't. I suppose it's less extreme and more acceptable for him to just slightly tear himself a wider grin.

The blotchy skin color and texture is very well done, looks real instead of like applied cakey makeup. Nice touch with the raccoon eyes, of course.

Also, notice the slight prosthetics for his nose to make it somewhat pointy, which is exactly what I was hoping for. I think there may even be slight chin prosthesis too. (Of course, it's just a manipped pic, so he's not actually wearing prosthetics.)

Good stuff. Hope it's real for once.

[Compi716]

That Ledger/Joker picture is great. I really wouldn't mind having THAT as the look of the Clown Prince of Crime.

Shame it's probably a fake...

[Van Petrol]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1425/tdkjokerkl0.jpg

Got this in my inbox this morning. From what my buddy tells me, the mouth is ripped, not cut as if his face were brutally mutilated. From the research I did, an existing photograph was used for this make-up design.

By the way, pieeye is a personal friend of mine. I havent talked to him for a while. He is now training to work in film production. This looks to me like it might be his work, but until I can contact him I can't be sure... more later perhaps.

-:ninja:

If Mr. J ends up looking like that, I wouldn't be at all dissappointed. :up:

[The Guard]

I haven't read comics on a regular basis for years. What's Morrison done to The Joker? Is he making him all sympathetic and "human"? Showing that he has a spark of humanity?
So Denny O'Neil got it wrong?

No, but then, Dennis O'Neil didn't use revenge as the main theme in a Joker origin storyline, which is what I was getting at. I should have said "revenge as a basis for the character's genesis". Any movie that uses that "revenge" angle to kick off the main plot and to create the main conflict will be limiting The Joker, and making him that much duller. I'm not saying that he can't seek revenge (his best revenge moments just HAPPEN), but if that is his major motivation, they're getting that much wrong about the character and the possibilities for him. As far as I'm concerned, he should have a plan that is both incredibly complex and brilliant in its execution, but that ultimately goes nowhere...nets him nothing (no cash, no power) but laughs, and causes nothing but suffering. Then, I feel they will have nailed the character and his "motivations". One of my all-time favorite Joker stories is the Golden Age one where he steals a bunch of stuff that's worthless. Of course, this is then ruined in the end because he's trying to get to a buried treasure near an insane asylum. Still, the concept of The Joker valuing that which most people consider worthless or ridiculous has always stuck with me.

Of course he shouldn't have a singular motivation, but he changes by the day. He seeks revenge today, kills innocents tomorrow, tries a get-rich-quick scheme the next day, plans a Batman death trap the next. Some have a clear purpose (aside from being pure fun) and others are just mindless violence.

And I've got absolutely no problem with that. I'm just saying I don't want to see The Joker's Five Way Revenge as told by Chris and Jonah Nolan. With apologies to Mr. O'Neill, that is a great story, and features fantastic characterization, but there are better and more interesting ones to be told.

In fact, most of Joker's best plots have some sort of reasoning behind them. Joker Fish, driving Gordon mad, gaining diplomatic immunity. It's the way he goes about them that seem insane. And then yes, sometimes it's just pure lust for death.

I dunno. The Joker's "plans" for copyrighting his Joker Fish never had an ounce of actual reasoning behind it. No one would have bought the damn things. Driving Gordon mad was The Joker's attempt to prove that everyone goes mad eventually under enough duress, which again, had no real logic behind it. Gaining diplomatic immunity was a ruse for something else he couldn't claim immunity for. Is the man brilliant? Yes. But unless we're dealing with the Silver and Golden Age "bank robber" Joker (and I hope we aren't), then his plans all tend toward the same end: creating absolute chaos and suffering, or absolute absurd scheming that doesn't make sense, but gives him a sort of twisted satisfaction. My ideal Joker film includes the following elements:

A seemingly complex, brilliant plan involving chaos, that goes nowhere but that allows The Joker to set up a larger wave of chaos. The Joker not being revealed right away, but his presence being felt as people die, The Joker using disguises to strike right under the police's noses, the kind of cat-and-mouse detective/pursuit game featured in Five Way Revenge, the murder of his own henchmen if he has them, a scene involving I Pagliacci, the slaughter of innocent people with no motivations to do so, an exploration of the Joker's philosophy, the poisoning of the Gotham Reservoir, and a nod to the Joker fish.

[dark_b]

i am a little afraid because we got so much good manips that the final look will not be good enough.

[Shoemeister]

I personally don't think the image is legit. That being said, I also don't think it looks bad either... not bad at all.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

well..the proof will be in the pudding,

That picture is great.

[Shoemeister]

well..the proof will be in the pudding

http://images.wikia.com/wikiality/images/thumb/200px-Cosby.jpg

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Got to love bill cosby.

[tang126]

So now folks are jumping on the "cut smile" train a bit, huh? ;)

:D

I like that mockup above. I'd be okay with it because it's both Joker-y and somewhat grounded (no outrageous chin/mouth/nose prosthetics and the like). Looks like someone had an accident with his chemistry set, then got into his Mom's make-up box afterward.

I'll buy it (as a design, not that the above pic is an actual, true "leaked" WB image). If Nolan did something like that, it would probably please most everyone: the traditionalists and the various folks wanting to see something fresh and a bit more disturbing and creepy than Romero and Nicholson provided.

[Shoemeister]

So now folks are jumping on the "cut smile" train a bit, huh?

Meh, in that image it's almost like his skin is so damaged that it's stretched and practically ripped, leaving some permanent scarring. That Lee Bermejo garbage is a completely different monster all together...

... a completely different garbage monster. That sucks. Really bad.

[Orko Is King]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1425/tdkjokerkl0.jpg

Got this in my inbox this morning. From what my buddy tells me, the mouth is ripped, not cut as if his face were brutally mutilated. From the research I did, an existing photograph was used for this make-up design.

By the way, pieeye is a personal friend of mine. I havent talked to him for a while. He is now training to work in film production. This looks to me like it might be his work, but until I can contact him I can't be sure... more later perhaps.

-:ninja:

Looks damn good, but I won't believe it's real until WB has it taken down.

[tang126]

Meh, in that image it's almost like his skin is so damaged that it's stretched and practically ripped, leaving some permanent scarring. That Lee Bermejo garbage is a completely different monster all together...

... a completely different garbage monster. That sucks. Really bad.

I was being silly (the ;) and :D are dead giveaways!)

Eh...I've been here less than five days and I'm already sick of the topic (cuts vs. makeup vs. actual wide smile). I had my say, shared my ideas/opinion, listened to lots of others (good and bad), etc. I don't know how some folks can do it for months (or even years)...takes a true diehard fan, I suppose!

:D

I trust Nolan the rest to do something really nice (I enjoyed "Batman Begins" over all the others, by far), so I'm really not worried about it all, truth be told. I'm looking very forward to seeing what they do with it all. I don't think they're going to louse it up or do something lame.

[jimmy]

Now THAT is the joker I want to see.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

5 days?

feels like you have been here for some time.

i forgot to say.

Welcome to the hype. :)

[Mercurius]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1425/tdkjokerkl0.jpg



Way too soft a face. I hope it is not the real deal. The Joker MUST be the picture of madness, and this is just a healthy man with an unfortunate ripped smile.

[IamtheBatman]

Way too soft a face. I hope it is not the real deal. The Joker MUST be the picture of madness, and this is just a healthy man with an unfortunate ripped smile.

Its just a manip.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You think thats healthy?

[tang126]

5 days?

feels like you have been here for some time.

Brother, it feels like it. :D

I basically jumped in with both feet, posting mockups, spouting opinions and questioning/challenging traditions and lore right off the bat (no pun). ;)

i forgot to say.

Welcome to the hype. :)

Thank you. It's a very cool site, from what I've seen. Lots of passionate, articulate folks here with plenty to say.

[Mercurius]

I do.

If you take that smile and the paint, it's Healthy Ledger :cwink: .

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I do.

If you take that smile and the paint, it's Healthy Ledger :cwink: .

I hope to god you're not a doctor.:woot:

[NoName86]

It is a fake, it was posted in another part of the forum, and another guy ON this forum did a manip on the same image, so yea, does look good though! Call me crazy, but I din't think he would suffer too much from a liiittttllle prosthetics, pointier nose mostly. But not much at all, that damn grin he has is evil.

[hey yo its sean]

Way too soft a face. I hope it is not the real deal. The Joker MUST be the picture of madness, and this is just a healthy man with an unfortunate ripped smile.

As healthy as you can be with chemical burns on over half of your body.

[Miranda Fox]

Looks damn good, but I won't believe it's real until WB has it taken down.

LOL! :up:

What about our members 'in the know?' What do they make of this?

God, I really want it to be real. It's great.

[Muziko]

I don't think it's real... but it looks damn good.

[Lunar_Wolf]

It's a manip. But a good one.

[IamtheBatman]

Thats ****. Im expecting a much better Joker than that. He has to have a prosthetic nose yet.

Only, a couple of more weeks till the official pic of the Joker.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Thats ****. Im expecting a much better Joker than that. He has to have a prosthetic nose yet.

Don't worry that is not a real pic of The Joker.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Only, a couple of mopre weeks till the official pic of the Joker.

Has it been confimed that we will see an Offical pic in the up coming weeks?

[Leon the Professional]

Hmm one flaw with this manip though is that his teeth are too nice.

[Miranda Fox]

Has it been confimed that we will see an Offical pic in the up coming weeks?

No. Roughly, I'd say it'd be the end of May, if that's when the official site goes online.

[Mercurius]

I hope to god you're not a doctor.:woot:


:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:. You know: Medicine is the art of taking people to the tomb with Greek words.

[J. J. Jameson]

Okay, so I know Ledger is being the Joker and all, but I stumbled across this picture today:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3557/2007423tobeymaguirespided6.jpg

And I could not resist wondering what Tobey would look like as the Joker. So I whipped this up:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4868/tobeymaguireasjokerdp9.jpg

Please don't laugh...it's my first serious manip.

[Bond]

^ I like the colors on the suit, but I like nothing about the face.

[The Last Meatbag]

He's a good Peter Parker, but a bad Spider-man.

[J. J. Jameson]

^ I like the colors on the suit, but I like nothing about the face.

Well, besides my poor manip-ing, Maguire's face is much too round to fit the Joker's profile.

[Orko Is King]

Thats ****. Im expecting a much better Joker than that. He has to have a prosthetic nose yet.

Yah! And he has to be eaten by an alien!

[Miranda Fox]

Yah! And he has to be eaten by an alien!

*raises hand* Will the alien have wings?

[Dirt Like Me]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1425/tdkjokerkl0.jpg



I love it. Legitimate or not, it's a great take on the Joker and seems like it would be a good fit the Begins version of Gotham. I'm no fan of the idea of a cut smile, but I think this look works. And I even like how the red lips seem to bleed into his face a bit. My only gripe would be that I'd like to see greener hair, but if we get something close to this on screen I'll be psyched.

(Also, if The Joker looks like this then Two-Face is going to look downright nasty).

[uchiha_itachi]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1425/tdkjokerkl0.jpg

Got this in my inbox this morning. From what my buddy tells me, the mouth is ripped, not cut as if his face were brutally mutilated. From the research I did, an existing photograph was used for this make-up design.

By the way, pieeye is a personal friend of mine. I havent talked to him for a while. He is now training to work in film production. This looks to me like it might be his work, but until I can contact him I can't be sure... more later perhaps.

-:ninja:

very cool

[Capt Throbberson]

Looks damn good, but I won't believe it's real until WB has it taken down.

It looks good, but it is a manip.

[mr. kite]

i don't like that look. I want the classic comic book look. pointy chin and nose, huge smile. i'm not up for the whole scars and blotchy white skin. I think Nick Cage would of been an amazing joker. Heath is a little young for me.

[Nivek]

I just want something close to this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Nivekian/Jokerhere.jpg

[Nivek]

Oh god no.


???

[ghost_x]

Okay, so I know Ledger is being the Joker and all, but I stumbled across this picture today:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3557/2007423tobeymaguirespided6.jpg

And I could not resist wondering what Tobey would look like as the Joker. So I whipped this up:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4868/tobeymaguireasjokerdp9.jpg

Please don't laugh...it's my first serious manip.

lol, about a year ago before Ledger was cast I made Topher Grace into the Joker

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9629/topherjokeruj0.jpg

[ghost_x]

Oh god no.

ye it's pretty bad

[Nessy]

Tobey was a good Spidey :) But I think he would be a bad Joker :wow:

So, I'm new here. Can't wait to see the first official pic of the Heath-Joker. *is a big joker fan*

Sorry for my bad english, I'm from Germany ;)

[Hunter Rider]

Welcome to the Hype Nessy:yay:

[Nessy]

I more of a Joker fan than I am a Batman fan.


Same here ;)

[breyfogle_rules]

My ONLY complaint, barely mentionable, is that Heath's eyes are too close together. I widened them out a bit here. Looks much better.

But hey...in Nolan I trust.


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8620/heathqj7.jpg

[breyfogle_rules]

My ONLY complaint, barely mentionable, is that Heath's eyes are too close together. I widened them out a bit here. Looks much better.

But hey...in Nolan I trust.


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8620/heathqj7.jpg

[breyfogle_rules]

My ONLY complaint, barely mentionable, is that Heath's eyes are too close together. I widened them out a bit here. Looks much better.

But hey...in Nolan I trust.


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8620/heathqj7.jpg

[tang126]

Okay, we heard you the first 1-2 times. :p

[Cronus]

Ok!! why three times?...

[StorminNorman]

I doubt they did it on purpose :rolleyes:

[Nepenthes]

If his nose and chin have been altered to indicate prosthetics, it's looks very good. Wondering if his eyes should be darker though. Awesome manip Ani-mater

[hannya]

Like this manip A LOT. With paler eyes and a more "bottle" green hair colour, I think this look will satisfy most fans (minus the cut smile perhaps! ;) ). It makes sense to have the lips crusty and sore-looking, fresh from the chemical burns.
I think we're edging closer to the something similar to the final reveal next month...

[Lord Crawford]

If the final version of "new" Joker ("Coringa", here in Brasil) is different of that, it's sucks...

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1496/9811091si8.jpg

[dark_b]

ok i am a little confused here. so lets clear things up.
thsi pic
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8620/heathqj7.jpg
is not suposed to be real right? its a manip of a guy who saw ledger as the joker or had a description right?

[NoName86]

I don't know what the story behind this is, but the fact of the matter is that that is a manip, because that very same pic has been used in another manip by another artist here before, and the photo used is in the Art thread.

I haven't kept track of this thread, but I did mention this before...everyone seems to think it is real still though.

[Steelsheen]

ok i am a little confused here. so lets clear things up.
thsi pic
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8620/heathqj7.jpg
is not suposed to be real right? its a manip of a guy who saw ledger as the joker or had a description right?

nope its not real DB. there hasnt been any Joker pictures other than the Chicago spyphotos we've been seeing on the SHH front page.

[odiin]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1425/tdkjokerkl0.jpg

Got this in my inbox this morning. From what my buddy tells me, the mouth is ripped, not cut as if his face were brutally mutilated. From the research I did, an existing photograph was used for this make-up design.

By the way, pieeye is a personal friend of mine. I havent talked to him for a while. He is now training to work in film production. This looks to me like it might be his work, but until I can contact him I can't be sure... more later perhaps.

-:ninja:

Okay, now THAT is pretty much perfect, my one complaint is that the hair should be more noticeably greener, only because we've already sort of seen what his hair is going to look like on film, so it should reflect that (but maybe it looks more subtle just because of the lighting)

Anyway, the thing that makes it perfect for me is the fact that it LOOKS like the Joker, I can immediately identify it as being the Joker, and they managed to do it with out making it look silly. It's the perfect compromise, because on one hand we have the comic book Joker, who obviously looks like the real thing because it IS, but it's a little TOO eccentric for this movie, and on the other side of the spectrum you have the manip that showed up recently that was very realistic, but didn't look enough like the Joker. With this they've compromised just a little bit of the realism, and just a little bit of the traditional look to come up with a middle ground.

They were even able to make the cut smile look good! It's subtle enough and actually ACCENTS the overall look, and his own smile, rather than screws it up.

A++

The only thing that sucks now is, I doubt the film version will be able to top this.

[Mr. Thing]

nope its not real DB. there hasnt been any Joker pictures other than the Chicago spyphotos we've been seeing on the SHH front page.

I thought it was meant to be a kind of test shot for what he would look like in the film?

[hannya]

I thought it was meant to be a kind of test shot for what he would look like in the film?

As with the other phoney "test shots" that were knocking around this month, one has to ask: If you're working for Nolan on TDK, and you need some test shots so you can rustle up some Photoshop make-up ideas, wouldn't you ask for Ledger to come in and have some photos professionally taken specifically for that purpose? Or would you do a Google search for crappy thumbnails? I think their budget probably stretches to the former.

[sasquatchs]

They did a 3D scan of his entire body, they barely need Ledger at all now :oldrazz:

[U.N.Owen]

Wouldn't it be the most stupid thing if the Joker fell into the chemicals WITH his mask on and the colors from that went onto his face? I would kill Nolan.

[Miranda Fox]

Wouldn't it be the most stupid thing if the Joker fell into the chemicals WITH his mask on and the colors from that went onto his face? I would kill Nolan.

Statements like that are why Nolan will never, ever listen to anything we say.

Anyway, that is not happening. He's the Joker when he's wearing that mask. Let's move on. :)

[Bandyt]

I'm happy with all these Manips as long as people stop stating their real and others actually believing it...

[dark_b]

Wouldn't it be the most stupid thing if the Joker fell into the chemicals WITH his mask on and the colors from that went onto his face? I would kill Nolan.it would be different. but just because it is not in the comics doesnt make it wrong.
if it would work in the movie why not.

[Nivek]

I'm happy with all these Manips as long as people stop stating their real and others actually believing it...

Tell me about it. It's bad enough so many people had no problem with the AICN sucker manip, we dont need to blindly buy into every manip coming down the pike someone says is real. We are not AICN, Dark Horizons, CHUD, no need to promote anything but the real deal.

Speaking of the Joker, I think Nolan will release something very soon. We just all need to chill just a little bit longer, and wipe the mouth froth away from the newbies who dont know better.

[ghost_x]

I bet Nolan's kicking himself now he's realised that he has cast an actor as the most popular villain in comic book history with eyes too close together :dry: :whatever: :woot:

[Miranda Fox]

I bet Nolan's kicking himself now he's realised that he has cast an actor as the most popular villain in comic book history with eyes too close together :dry: :whatever: :woot:

Yes. He'll be casting Crispin Glover any day now...:dry:

[ghost_x]

What does he say at the press release of firing Ledger? Surely redundancy over eyes too close together is some form of racist misconduct?

[SilentType]

Ledger is a Watanabe style fake out.

[CyberFaust]

i have faith in nolan and in ledger, but i wanna see a press release on the subject already!

[ghost_x]

i have faith in nolan and in ledger, but i wanna see a press release on the subject already!

What, the close eye press release?

[Eros]

The Joker will look like a creepy white faced dude in in all dark clothes.

[ghost_x]

Well so far we've seen him in a jacket and a sky blue shirt, your point is moot

[Ani-mater]

I got in contact with pieeye,

He confirmed this was a comission piece he did as a freelancer. He would'nt go into more detail but he said it was done in photoshop using alpha channels and such. He did say that he is working on a 3-D model of Ledger's Joker as well. His concept comes from detailed descriptions of what the character will look like. he imagined that scarring would not be merely superficial but multilayered in pigmentation and tissue... "sort of an extreme type of Vitiligo (http://www.patient.co.uk/images/dis127.jpg)" he said.

He was happy to see that his work made it back on the hype boards and he says he occasionally checks in to read the latest buzz.

So it is obviously a manipulation but a pretty good one. It would have been better if he had access to images of ledger in character. In my experience in the Industry, make-up alone does not a character make. It takes some serious acting to bring it to life, the same way a 3-D character rig lays dead until someone starts to keyframe it.

As for the eyes being too close together, its basically a moot point since it seems that he changed nothing on the face. If they were to widen the eyes it would have to be through subtle make-up effects with no prosthetics. Either that or put Ledger through some major plastic surgery and hope it heals on time:dry:. I dont think major plastic surgery is in his contract...

-:ninja:

[CyberFaust]

The Joker will look like a creepy white faced dude in in all dark clothes.
no, he won't, because that would resemble me in way to may ways!:cmad:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k84/CyberFaust/Pictures064.jpg

[Miranda Fox]

no, he won't, because that would resemble me in way to may ways!:cmad:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k84/CyberFaust/Pictures064.jpg

LOL! :up:

I got in contact with pieeye,

He confirmed this was a comission piece he did as a freelancer. He would'nt go into more detail but he said it was done in photoshop using alpha channels and such. He did say that he is working on a 3-D model of Ledger's Joker as well. His concept comes from detailed descriptions of what the character will look like. he imagined that scarring would not be merely superficial but multilayered in pigmentation and tissue... "sort of an extreme type of Vitiligo (http://www.patient.co.uk/images/dis127.jpg)" he said.

He was happy to see that his work made it back on the hype boards and he says he occasionally checks in to read the latest buzz.

So it is obviously a manipulation but a pretty good one. It would have been better if he had access to images of ledger in character. In my experience in the Industry, make-up alone does not a character make. It takes some serious acting to bring it to life, the same way a 3-D character rig lays dead until someone starts to keyframe it.

As for the eyes being too close together, its basically a moot point since it seems that he changed nothing on the face. If they were to widen the eyes it would have to be through subtle make-up effects with no prosthetics. Either that or put Ledger through some major plastic surgery and hope it heals on time:dry:. I dont think major plastic surgery is in his contract...

Well, we all knew it was a manip...just not whether it was a WB comissioned one or not (and one thing I happened to learn during the ManipGate was that, apparently, studios do that.)

Anyway, to address the piece I bolded - is that descriptions that came from WB or just the stuff we've all been hearing recently?

[The Guard]

That manipulation is CLOSE to what I want in the ideal film Joker. More "texture", less "blotch", if that makes any sense. If there is scarring/tearing of the mouth, it should be a tad more extreme than that (especially when he's smiling). And let the man have his eyebrows. :)

[Miranda Fox]

That manipulation is CLOSE to what I want in the ideal film Joker. More "texture", less "blotch", if that makes any sense. If there is scarring/tearing of the mouth, it should be a tad more extreme than that (especially when he's smiling). And let the man have his eyebrows. :)

For once Guard - I agree with you. :up:

[The Guard]

I wasn't aware that we'd disagreed. Hmm...how do you feel about BATMAN: THE MUSICAL?

[Eros]

Well so far we've seen him in a jacket and a sky blue shirt, your point is moot


sky blue shirt?:huh:

[Miranda Fox]

I wasn't aware that we'd disagreed. Hmm...how do you feel about BATMAN: THE MUSICAL?

I...err

*points*

Oh look! a spaceship!

*runs*

[dark_b]

so the manip was made from someoen who knows how he looks?

well someone also knew how the SR suit will look but it was still not 100% the same.


do you want the first official pic to be a clear pic with normal lighitning or do you want a tease like the first 3 batman pics? the fan in me wants obviously to be able to see the whole joker. but i also hope that nolan will do the same thing . have joker with very special lightining so that we dont see the whole joker. make him scary and dark.

p.s. nolan do not have blogs. i like how nolan doesnt want to show to much because he wants that we see the movie in the theater not through the blogs and pics. at least thats the feeling i got with BB.

[LostSon88]

no, he won't, because that would resemble me in way to may ways!:cmad:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k84/CyberFaust/Pictures064.jpg

Sanjaya?

:oldrazz:

[jimpan.]

I manipulated this latest joker-pic. Tried to make him look darker, more insane. Also added the slicked back green hair that he's got on the chicago spypics. I think it ended up pretty much like I would want him to look like in the film. What do you think?
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7936/tdkjoker2te1.jpg

[jimpan.]

hm... came out as two posts... sorry.

[itsthebatman]

Nice. Hair's a little big, he's not Elvis after all, but overall, darn good.

[CyberFaust]

Sanjaya?

:oldrazz:
no, God :)

[Leon the Professional]

I manipulated this latest joker-pic. Tried to make him look darker, more insane. Also added the slicked back green hair that he's got on the chicago spypics. I think it ended up pretty much like I would want him to look like in the film. What do you think?
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7936/tdkjoker2te1.jpg


Nice touch up with the slicked back hair, but I would make it flatter. It looks like it has too much volume. And maybe make the middle of his hairline a little V-shaped.

[SpinyNorman]

I like the way it looks. I don't really care about the hair. We're veering dangerously close to the "Joker would not wear those sort of cufflinks" line.

[itsthebatman]

I like the way it looks. I don't really care about the hair. We're veering dangerously close to the "Joker would not wear those sort of cufflinks" line.

But he wouldn't! Those cufflinks don't suit him!

Oh... right. The overall concept is good, though, don't you agree?

You haven't seen the Piranha Brothers around, have you? I owe them money, and trying to keep ahead of them.

[Miranda Fox]

so the manip was made from someoen who knows how he looks?

well someone also knew how the SR suit will look but it was still not 100% the same.


do you want the first official pic to be a clear pic with normal lighitning or do you want a tease like the first 3 batman pics? the fan in me wants obviously to be able to see the whole joker. but i also hope that nolan will do the same thing . have joker with very special lightining so that we dont see the whole joker. make him scary and dark.

p.s. nolan do not have blogs. i like how nolan doesnt want to show to much because he wants that we see the movie in the theater not through the blogs and pics. at least thats the feeling i got with BB.

But it was similar? Hmm, I never actually heard about that - what was the story there?

[dark_b]

But it was similar? Hmm, I never actually heard about that - what was the story there?the same happened with venom. there is always a guy(thanks god because we would never get a description without them :woot:) who is on the set and sees the suit.

[Miranda Fox]

the same happened with venom. there is always a guy(thanks god because we would never get a description without them :woot:) who is on the set and sees the suit.

Coolies. :up:

Well, *if* Ani is for real, at least we've got an idea of what Mistah J looks like. And that's fine. As long as the actual thing doesn't turn into an SR type scenario where it's really quite disappointing.

[itsthebatman]

Coolies. :up:

Well, *if* Ani is for real, at least we've got an idea of what Mistah J looks like. And that's fine. As long as the actual thing doesn't turn into an SR type scenario where it's really quite disappointing.

I liked the suit.:csad: . And the film:csad: .
Please don't hate me.

[Paste Pot Pete]

I liked the suit.:csad: . And the film:csad: .
Please don't hate me.

I loved the suit. In a world where the X-Men wear leather and Batman wears rubber, the SR suit was the closest major suit adaptation besides Spider-Man.

The fact that it wasn't such a massive deviation caused people to nit pick in a way they otherwise wouldn't, just looking for something to find wrong.
The blue was too light, the red was too dark, the neckline was too short, the S was too small. Nevermind the fact that at least there was blue, red, an S-shield, a yellow belt, boots, a cape and a spit-curl...

Anyways..Joker.

[dark_b]

Coolies. :up:

Well, *if* Ani is for real, at least we've got an idea of what Mistah J looks like. And that's fine. As long as the actual thing doesn't turn into an SR type scenario where it's really quite disappointing.:cwink:

[Miranda Fox]

I liked the suit.:csad: . And the film:csad: .
Please don't hate me.

Oh no, you're on the list now, mate. *writes name down*

LOL, no, of course I don't hate you. I didn't even hate the film, I just didn't particularly like it either.

I was just speaking of how fan reaction was percieved to be negative when the suit was first revealed. Although that doesn't tend to indicate anything considering people hated the Tumbler as well.

[NoName86]

Let me just say two things here.

One being that, I was never big on superman or the new movie, but I never understand for the life of me why everyone was so disappointed with the suit? I mean, what did they so differently that it would cause folks to be angry about it, unless I am assuming wrong and everyone wanted an entirely diff look for him...?


Second, if the Joker comes out looking like that then I will be one happy man. It all makes sense too, if he fell into a chemical, his lips would be messed up and irritated, his skin scarred and discolored like it is in the picture. The green hair, well, I don't care if it doesn't seem realistic to get from an acid bath or not because I still want it and like it! Love the picture, and here is to hoping he comes out actually looking like that.

[breyfogle_rules]

Sounds about right, mate. It looks like the general concensus on this Ani manip is the most positive yet.
Apart from those damn eyes being too close together!:cwink:

[breyfogle_rules]

Why the heck did I just say "mate"? I'm not even Australian. Maybe I want to be.

[Orko Is King]

I got in contact with pieeye,

He confirmed this was a comission piece he did as a freelancer. He would'nt go into more detail but he said it was done in photoshop using alpha channels and such. He did say that he is working on a 3-D model of Ledger's Joker as well. His concept comes from detailed descriptions of what the character will look like. he imagined that scarring would not be merely superficial but multilayered in pigmentation and tissue... "sort of an extreme type of Vitiligo (http://www.patient.co.uk/images/dis127.jpg)" he said.

He was happy to see that his work made it back on the hype boards and he says he occasionally checks in to read the latest buzz.

So it is obviously a manipulation but a pretty good one. It would have been better if he had access to images of ledger in character. In my experience in the Industry, make-up alone does not a character make. It takes some serious acting to bring it to life, the same way a 3-D character rig lays dead until someone starts to keyframe it.

As for the eyes being too close together, its basically a moot point since it seems that he changed nothing on the face. If they were to widen the eyes it would have to be through subtle make-up effects with no prosthetics. Either that or put Ledger through some major plastic surgery and hope it heals on time:dry:. I dont think major plastic surgery is in his contract...

-:ninja:

If you're right, then I'm very pleased. As for the 1st official pic, I'm expecting something similar to this.

http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/May2007/justice_joker.jpg

[lixdexia]

i really hope they work the hat and coat look into the movie!

[Bond]

i really hope they work the hat and coat look into the movie!
Agreed. :joker:

[Rynan]

i really hope they work the hat and coat look into the movie!

I really don't know about the hat. Hat's, fedoras and otherwise, haven't really been popular since the time of Kennedy.

[Noir]

If you're right, then I'm very pleased. As for the 1st official pic, I'm expecting something similar to this.

http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/May2007/justice_joker.jpg
I love that look.

[lixdexia]

I really don't know about the hat. Hat's, fedoras and otherwise, haven't really been popular since the time of Kennedy.
but some people do still wear them( i'm planning on getting one myself) and it would help conceal his face till he wants to show it

[bluehit]

but some people do still wear them( i'm planning on getting one myself) and it would help conceal his face till he wants to show it

What a hell is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ebcIJz1XD0&mode=related&search= ?

[lixdexia]

it's got a hood, so it could be concealing ledger in make up!

[tang126]

He looks like Doc Holiday (well, Kilmer's version of him), with that hat, vest and string tie.

He can tell Batman he's his huckleberry!

[Bond]

it's got a hood, so it could be concealing ledger in make up!
Hmm? You could be right!

[Muziko]

They don't need to use CGI nor prosthetics for this Joker... Ledger has a huge grin already. I think it should suffice.

[IamtheBatman]

http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/May2007/justice_joker.jpg

Why's the Joker dressed up like Gene Hackman in that cowboy movie.

[Lunar_Wolf]

http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/May2007/justice_joker.jpg

Why's the Joker dressed up like Gene Hackman in that cowboy movie.

Because Joker is a Hackman fan:oldrazz:

[Bandyt]

Thinking about the Joker so much has made me start thinking about other villains if they did more new batman movies, I mean...they can't bring Catwoman into it because...well...who can top Michelle Pfeiffer? It's been pretty clear that a certain chocolate electric storm-makin love monkey can't pull it off.

[ghost_x]

Thinking about the Joker so much has made me start thinking about other villains if they did more new batman movies, I mean...they can't bring Catwoman into it because...well...who can top Michelle Pfeiffer? It's been pretty clear that a certain chocolate electric storm-makin love monkey can't pull it off.

They said the same with Nicholson's Joker, but here we are with Heath Ledger. Who in a million years thought we would ever get a previously teen movie actor playing the Joker

[ghost_x]

What a hell is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ebcIJz1XD0&mode=related&search= ?

When he turns around fast and the cloak flys a bit if I'm not mistaken I can see a purple suit

[ghost_x]

sky blue shirt?:huh:

Ye, if someone would be kind enough to repost one of the bank robbery scene pictures you could see him wearing a light blue shirt

[Bandyt]

Heeey, I liked "10 Things I Hate About You"...they even kept him Australian in it! it was all Shakespearean rip off and Taming of the Shrew and stuff....but yeah, I never said that about Nicholsons Joker, I loved it as a Kid, but these days it's a bit...yeah. I think I will like Ledger's much better.

[bluehit]

When he turns around fast and the cloak flys a bit if I'm not mistaken I can see a purple suit

I´m not sure if is my imagination, but his suit looks purple.

[StorminNorman]

Thinking about the Joker so much has made me start thinking about other villains if they did more new batman movies, I mean...they can't bring Catwoman into it because...well...who can top Michelle Pfeiffer? It's been pretty clear that a certain chocolate electric storm-makin love monkey can't pull it off.

If they can try to top Jack's Joker, then Pfeiffers Catwoman is certainly not undoable.

[StorminNorman]

When he turns around fast and the cloak flys a bit if I'm not mistaken I can see a purple suit

to me it looks like a purple suit, white face, light blueish shirt.

Timestamp: 00:12. Of course there is no reason to make a big deal out of a grainy, far away video.

[AndrewGilkison]

Congratulations on your upcoming ban.

[NoName86]

I find it so ignorant and childish to do such a thing, you do realize that children visit this site, right?

Yea, I hope he does get banned for that, this is what sucks about the internet. It lets idiots shine in all their idiotic glory.

[ghost_x]

I´m not sure if is my imagination, but his suit looks purple.

Which is what I said :dry:

[ghost_x]

to me it looks like a purple suit, white face, light blueish shirt.

Timestamp: 00:12. Of course there is no reason to make a big deal out of a grainy, far away video.

Can't say I can see the face, but the purple is definitely there

[Cronus]

Someone plz remove that from here... i just got so Embarrassed in front of my little brother.... he was behind me when i opened this thread... what kind of bull head stupid you are to submit that kind of pic here!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dark_b]

see this would be a tease.
http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/May2007/justice_joker.jpgit would not show hes face 100% so that would only make us angry(which i hope nolan wants) because i dont like how they promote the new movies now. anyone noticed how they showed silveer surfer? direct in your face. where was teh build up? they shouldnt showed him like that.

[dark_b]

What a hell is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ebcIJz1XD0&mode=related&search= ?ok we know nothign we know nthing so this could be anyone.
but come on why hide him? why hide hes head?
could it be ledger in full make up? its like with superman. they are making sure that when they are filming on location we wont get a pic of them.
nice WB

[Orko Is King]

see this would be a tease.
http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/May2007/justice_joker.jpgit would not show hes face 100% so that would only make us angry(which i hope nolan wants) because i dont like how they promote the new movies now. anyone noticed how they showed silveer surfer? direct in your face. where was teh build up? they shouldnt showed him like that.

Well, you really can't put a silver guy in the shadows...:oldrazz:

[dark_b]

Well, you really can't put a silver guy in the shadows...:oldrazz:ok you are joking right? :woot:
i meant the whole SS promotion. the first pic was one of the head. it was good. but then in the teaser there was no build up to him. it was just in our faces.
i didnt like it. i hope for a teaser like BB.

[hannya]

I remember talking about Ledger's casting on another board last year when the news was first announced. Some of the posters on that board simply refused to believe it; some of them said it was as far from their ideal choice as possible.
Now we know Penn turned it down, and we know that there were other actors who physically looked the part, but Nolan went with Ledger.
I've been watching the Ledger back catalogue and any interview clips I could get hold of to try to get an insight into Nolan's decision (and to have fun imagining Ledger as the Joker). Something about Ledger's persona struck a chord with the director of TDK... I have my own ideas about this, but I'd love to hear what the rest of you think.... (Just for the record, my first choice was Ryan Gosling, but I think Ledger will be fantastic).

[dark_b]

its hard to talk about this now. we need to see somethign from the movie.

[Bandyt]

He DOES have the smile. Just...yeah. And, well, He auditioned, they liked it. That's all that there is to it. Trust in the Nolan, Luke...erm...Hannya...

[Bandyt]

Ze clip, definitely Purple suit...and...well...who else would be wearing a purple suit...? yes....I like....doing.... these "..." things...

[Masteroms33]

the build up for FF2 could be for galacticus, but not too many common people know of the silver surfer, you see for the mainstream audience they can tease you with showing half of the jokers face because everyone knows who the joker is, therefore build up. but not everyone knows who the silver surfer is but by showing him in his full/cool form people would want to see more of him.

[hannya]

He DOES have the smile. Just...yeah. And, well, He auditioned, they liked it. That's all that there is to it. Trust in the Nolan, Luke...erm...Hannya...

Erm... okay.... perhaps I didn't word my intro right. I meant what do fans see in him, what are the clues to how he will play the Joker...

[mad-sci]

Nolan chose Heath Ledger for exactly the same reason that he chose Gary Oldman, Christian Bale, Liam Neeson, Cillian Murphy, Michael Caine, Robin Williams (Insomnia) and Katie Holmes - They all were cast against type.

If you look at the films that Nolan has made, there's always some actors in his films which don't appear to fit the mould.



Which of Liam Neeson's previous film roles fit the mould of Criminal Mastermind?

Which of Gary Oldman's previous film roles fit the mould of Honest, normal person?

Which of Robin William's previous film roles fit the mould of Silent, timid killer? NB. This was at the same time as One Hour Photo, and this is Robin Williams, the guy who breathes LSD...


Remember that for BB, Nolan was casting for Bruce Wayne, NOT Batman. Equilibrium, Reign of Fire and American Psycho established Bale as a great Batman/Playboy, but Nolan cast him because of his ability to convey emotions only through his [Bale's] eyes.


When news came around for the Joker in TDK, almost everyone talked about actors who looked like the character, OR had played a similar role - Paul Bettany, Crispin Glover, Adam Brody, Sam Rockwell, Lachy Hulme. (Even the 'crazy' castings like Sean Penn HAD previous, outrageous performances - Fast times at Ridgemont High, Mystic River). NOBODY thought of the more quiet, subdued 'heart-throb' Heath Ledger (which is probably why he was chosen).

It's the same thing with Harvey Dent - obvious choices like Schreiber, Norton were popular, because of past performances, but Eckhart was nowhere in that list.

[Juggernaut33]

When asked, "Why Heath Ledger (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005132/) as the Joker?" Christopher Nolan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0634240/) said, "Because he's fearless."

Heath Ledger took the part I think more seriously than any of the others actors that were consieder for the Joker. I think it is esay, especially for un very serious actor (take the case of Tommy Lee Jones in Batman Forever) to think that being in a comic book movie means that I can be over the top, larger than life. They don't think they have to take themselve to seriously. Most actors would have just follow Jack Nicholson's footsteps. Heath Ledger had the same vision of the character as Nolan. He wanted to potray a dark, sinister and mysterious Joker.

[hannya]

When asked, "Why Heath Ledger (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005132/) as the Joker?" Christopher Nolan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0634240/) said, "Because he's fearless."


:woot: Didn't know that. Like it!

[Nepenthes]

Ledger apparently had an interesting idea for how to play the Joker as soon as he heard of the part....there must of been something in there Nolan liked even if it was eventually off-base. Perhaps he was 'fearless' in coming up with wild and serious approach...

which is interesting since Ledger admitted he knew nothing about the Joker other than Nicholson's version. I've often wondered what he based his idea on.

[Kleric]

If you look over the coverage of the Chicago shoot, it seems to be the consensus is that the guy in the hooded robe was ledgers stunt double. From eyewitness reports he did not have any makeup on but did have fully dyed very green hair. (Hence the hood in public) He was also dressed in the exact same outfit Ledger has in the spy pics.

[Kebab gud]

he picked ledger because he is THE NOLAN! all hail THE NOLAN!

[dark_b]

woooo thats interesting. so ledger has not full green hair but the stund double. has. could it be that when he goes inside he is pre joker and when he comes out he is the joker?

[breyfogle_rules]

the build up for FF2 could be for galacticus, but not too many common people know of the silver surfer, you see for the mainstream audience they can tease you with showing half of the jokers face because everyone knows who the joker is, therefore build up. but not everyone knows who the silver surfer is but by showing him in his full/cool form people would want to see more of him.

Oh dear. Who wants to break the somewhat cloudy news to Masterom?

[breyfogle_rules]

Maybe this "hood" thing could actually be part of the costume. "RED HOOD" style. Origin style. I don't think so personally, but someone had to say it.

[ghost_x]

Here's a lil manip I've been working on. My monitor makes colours appear darker than they are so I'm not sure if it's going to look strange, if so let me know.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3408/thejokerde6.jpg

[Chaos Bringer]

That star trek pic looks lame. The B89 look is best. No CGI.

B89 makes me barf a bit in my mouth.
just do the opposite of what burton did and we should be grand.

[SpinyNorman]

But he wouldn't! Those cufflinks don't suit him!

Oh... right. The overall concept is good, though, don't you agree?

You haven't seen the Piranha Brothers around, have you? I owe them money, and trying to keep ahead of them.

They'll nail your head to various things. So I'd watch out. ;)

Nolan chose Heath Ledger for exactly the same reason that he chose Gary Oldman, Christian Bale, Liam Neeson, Cillian Murphy, Michael Caine, Robin Williams (Insomnia) and Katie Holmes - They all were cast against type.


To be fair, Christian Bale's role in American Psycho as a rich, shallow yuppie with a terrifying dark side sort of fits the bill, not to mention his action role in Equilibrium. As does Liam Neeson as the noble, Asiatic mentor. And Eckhart's role in Thank You for Smoking comes pretty close as the sleazy, amoral lobbyist and PR figure.

As for Gary Oldman, I'd challenge you to suggest that he even has a specific type of role he consistently plays. And I think Michael Caine can play pretty much anything.

I agree that Ledger was completely out of the blue. I don't think anyone here's contesting that one.

[breyfogle_rules]

B89 makes me barf a bit in my mouth.
just do the opposite of what burton did and we should be grand.

Preach, brother. Preach! :o

[Thespiralgoeson]

B89 makes me barf a bit in my mouth.
just do the opposite of what burton did and we should be grand.

You're a Nazi.

[Muziko]

To be fair, Christian Bale's role in American Psycho as a rich, shallow yuppie with a terrifying dark side sort of fits the bill, not to mention his action role in Equilibrium. As does Liam Neeson as the noble, Asiatic mentor. And Eckhart's role in Thank You for Smoking comes pretty close as the sleazy, amoral lobbyist and PR figure.

As for Gary Oldman, I'd challenge you to suggest that he even has a specific type of role he consistently plays. And I think Michael Caine can play pretty much anything.

I agree that Ledger was completely out of the blue. I don't think anyone here's contesting that one.

Yeah.. after seeing Equilibrium, I could definitely see where someone (from a production standpoint) would want Bale for Bruce Wayne/Batman. As for Gary Oldman - he is one of the best actors in Hollywood... PERIOD. There is nothing that man can't pull off convincingly.

Ledger? Yeah, I was shocked (like everyone else) when he was cast. Will he do better than Nicholson? I don't know - that's all a matter of opinion. It's also a matter of knowing who the Joker is... the Joker from the comics, and judging from Batman Begins, and the caliber of people writing out the story/plot for this film, I think they're going to be very close to the comic book interpretation. I can say that Ledger definitely looks more the part than Nicholson did... but that doesn't mean squat if he can't act the part.

[hannya]

Ledger? Yeah, I was shocked (like everyone else) when he was cast. Will he do better than Nicholson? I don't know - that's all a matter of opinion. It's also a matter of knowing who the Joker is... the Joker from the comics, and judging from Batman Begins, and the caliber of people writing out the story/plot for this film, I think they're going to be very close to the comic book interpretation. I can say that Ledger definitely looks more the part than Nicholson did... but that doesn't mean squat if he can't act the part.

I've been watching Ledger in interviews on YouTube. One thing that always strikes me is his intelligence, he has an edge to him that's really interesting. The other is his twitchiness. He does have a rather kinetic energy to him, he's always shifting in his seat, or his eyes will be darting around to see what else is going on. I think he's one of those people who you would notice if he walked in the room (disregarding his fame for a second!) even if he didn't say much (or had white skin and green hair!)

[jsf]

how much longer till this comes out... can't wait

[uchiha_itachi]

i think its due for 2008 somtime

[jsf]

yeah i know...

[Miranda Fox]

I've been watching Ledger in interviews on YouTube. One thing that always strikes me is his intelligence, he has an edge to him that's really interesting. The other is his twitchiness. He does have a rather kinetic energy to him, he's always shifting in his seat, or his eyes will be darting around to see what else is going on. I think he's one of those people who you would notice if he walked in the room (disregarding his fame for a second!) even if he didn't say much (or had white skin and green hair!)

Word. :up:

[uchiha_itachi]

yeah i know...

lol so why ask a question you already know the answer to :woot:

[uchiha_itachi]

i have alot of faith that heath will pull it off perfectly

[jsf]

lol so why ask a question you already know the answer to :woot:

'cause im anxious :woot:

i have alot of faith that heath will pull it off perfectly

me too, i personaly think he will kick ass at this role... it something different for him, and different for us fans so i think he'll do a damn good job... also i don't think nolan would let hisfranchise get f'd in the a.

[LiveWire777]

Let this marinate in your minds...........................the Joker with a goatee???

[breyfogle_rules]

Ok, now just keep an open mind. But I was thinking Matt Damon as Joker. I did this manip. What do you think?

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/8315/damonjokerjq0.jpg

[jsf]

LMFAO! MAAAAATTTTT DDAAAAAMOONN

it's been marinateing in my mind for a while... marinateing in a garlic, lime, peppercorn and blackberry sauce.


srsly, maybe could work... alsong as his facial hair isn't green too

[LiveWire777]

Maybe his parents were killed by bats.

Bats dressed like clowns. That would be a very good reason for revenge i would be angry if these bat clowns murdered my mom and pap.

[LiveWire777]

Ok, now just keep an open mind. But I was thinking Matt Damon as Joker. I did this manip. What do you think?

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/8315/damonjokerjq0.jpg lmao MATT DAMON:woot:

[hannya]

Ok, now just keep an open mind. But I was thinking Matt Damon as Joker. I did this manip. What do you think?

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/8315/damonjokerjq0.jpg

Priceless :yay:

But god, can you imagine? Matt Damon as the Joker! You know, they did audition Paul Newman and Robert Redford for Superman way back when...

[breyfogle_rules]

Let this marinate in your minds...........................the Joker with a goatee???

How bout a soul patch? And they should play Linkin Park whenever he's on screen.

[hannya]

How bout a soul patch? And they should play Linkin Park whenever he's on screen.

"Hey Bat-dude! ' Crawling in my skin
These wounds, they will not heal' ! You got that?" :oldrazz:

[LiveWire777]

Priceless :yay:

But god, can you imagine? Matt Damon as the Joker! You know, they did audition Paul Newman and Robert Redford for Superman way back when... and let us not not forget the infamous Jerry Seinfeld/Spider-Man audition.:wow:

[breyfogle_rules]

Yeah, the goatee thing.
A little "Papa Roach" for me.

Although I have no doubt that WB is gonna force some lame Nickleback song into the ending credits or something.

[LiveWire777]

Yeah, the goatee thing.
A little "Papa Roach" for me.

Although I have no doubt that WB is gonna force some lame Nickleback song into the ending credits or something.Damn u Warner Brothers and your need to create wholesome family entertainment!!!! and i was wondering in The Dark Knight is there going to be an origin story for the joker or is Heath already deformed into the joker from the begining ?:huh: :huh:

[jsf]

don't know... im guessing he is going to be a normal looking guy for the most part, and then maybe have something happen that turns him into what we all think of as the joker

[breyfogle_rules]

Damn u Warner Brothers and your need to create wholesome family entertainment!!!! and i was wondering in The Dark Knight is there going to be an origin story for the joker or is Heath already deformed into the joker from the begining ?:huh: :huh:

This has been discussed ad nauseum. The general opinion is that an origin story would create a degree of sympathy and detract from the mysteriousness of the character . Mythologically, the Joker works best as a Lucifer\Loki metaphor.

Pure evil, chaos, without reason.

Just like Nickelback.