The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[Agentsands77]

I agree that the Joker shouldn´t remember his own origin, but Batman should find out by detective work.
You mean like THE MAN WHO LAUGHS?

The Killing Joke is, IMO, the definitive origin of the Clown Prince of Crime.
It needs a few tweakings, but is, by far the one that makes more sense.
It's the most recognized origin that's been submitted, I suppose, but I think there are many that are on par. See the Alex Ross/Paul Dini origin story from BATMAN: BLACK AND WHITE for a great take.

It doesn´t change who he is, he is still a mystery for the other character, and it makes the audience care for him, and to understand the things he does and how he does them.
I don't want to necessarily care for the Joker. I want to be afraid of him, but I don't really want to empathize with him.

Everyone had a begining, everyone has a reason to be the way they are, everyone was born "normal"
Not necessarily. Some people are born sociopaths. And maybe the Joker is the only one of his kind, as ARKHAM ASYLUM suggests.

[Isildur´s Heir]

It's the most recognized origin that's been submitted, I suppose, but I think there are many that are on par. See the Alex Ross/Paul Dini origin story from BATMAN: BLACK AND WHITE for a great take.
Like i said TKJ needs some tweakings....


I don't want to necessarily care for the Joker. I want to be afraid of him, but I don't really want to empathize with him.
When i said care for him, it doesn´t mean that you will necessarily "like" him, but is important to empathize with the characters, otherwise, he is nothing more than a psychopath that kills in bizarre ways and laughs a lot, and one one will give a rat´s ass about what he does.


Not necessarily. Some people are born sociopaths. And maybe the Joker is the only one of his kind, as ARKHAM ASYLUM suggests.
No one is born a sociopath, or are you imagining a 2 year old kid with a knife :confused: ;)
You can argue that everyone is molded by society, i don´t believe that, but i do believe that everyone has his own moral compass, otherwise, only people with really dramatic childhoods would go to the looney bin.~
That´s not true, you can have two brothers with similar pasts, one wents insane and the other is a functional member of society...
But the thing is, before you screw your moral compass, you need morals to begin with, and no one is born with morals...

[Crooklyn]

When i said care for him, it doesn´t mean that you will necessarily "like" him, but is important to empathize with the characters, otherwise, he is nothing more than a psychopath that kills in bizarre ways and laughs a lot, and one one will give a rat´s ass about what he does.
...yea. That's the point. :huh:


No one is born a sociopath, or are you imagining a 2 year old kid with a knife :confused: ;)
Maybe not 2..but that's not far off. I was in forensics, and I remember we studied a few serial killers who started off "bad" way early...despite having the nicest people constantly around him.

[StorminNorman]

I thought Batman laughed because of the Joker's joke, which (supposedly) so accurately summed up the situation. He could see the humor of it it all. Yeah, it's a little out of character (Batman wouldn't laugh - at the most, he'd smirk a bit). That's by far my least favorite moment in THE KILLING JOKE.

It ruins the entire story for me. :csad:

[jamieroberts1]

National paper today has a pic why the **** has no one else seen this?

[StorminNorman]

National paper today has a pic why the **** has no one else seen this?

NM - ignore that pic, its garbage.

[jamieroberts1]

http://www.evilology.net/uploaded/joker2ge1nx.jpg
is this real???

[Mr. Thing]

Oh. No. I can't take it anymore.

No it's not real. It's Conrad Veidt. It looks nothing remotely like Ledger, so no, it is not real.

[Rynan]

Must. Resist. Destroying. Noob. With. My. Mind.

[Crooklyn]

Funny this is...the poster registered before any of us. :o

[AidanJames]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/565.jpg



That is awesome. Easily my favorite fan-made Joker. Hope he looks like that in the film. Tux or no.

[jamieroberts1]

my bad sorry...as for being a noob i been here years just not active lately, the real world came be so time consuming

[Robin91939]

Anyone have the quote from the interview where Heath says that he loves the look that they've come up with and hopes the doll will scare little kids.

And a link please?

-R

[Miranda Fox]

Anyone have the quote from the interview where Heath says that he loves the look that they've come up with and hopes the doll will scare little kids.

And a link please?

-R

They were two seperate things. One was an interview, the other an article.

The article:

http://showbiz.sky.com/showbiz/picture_gallery/0,,50240-1243316,00.html

Neil Sean's Scoop 11/12

Actor Heath Ledger has signed up to play The Joker in the next Batman movie - but it's no joke when it comes to his character's lifelike doll...

The Brokeback Mountain star is anxious that the doll is so frightening kids won't want it.

A mole revealed: "He wants the doll to be user-friendly but thinks that children may be scared of the look they've created."

The interview:

http://p088.ezboard.com/Berlin-XM-sat-radio-Interviews-Ledger-some-spoilers/fbatmanonfilm81780frm18.showMessage?topicID=1342.t opic

On his getting the coveted role of the Joker...

"You have to remember I watched those films as a boy and me and my mates used to play batman in the streets, so ive kinda had a knowledge of the charactors and the mythos, Ive wanted to do somthing that could cement me and after viewing Batman Begins I was interested in working with Nolan. When i was contacted i was not super keen on the idea but after learning about the things they wanted to do I became very interested in the Joker. Its an actors dream to play an icon role and the joker is so far removed from anything ive done yet that i am looking forward to it and to the ideas that were presented to me...

On what kind of Joker charactor angle can we expect to see...

"well this is just in the infant stages right now but i recieve charactor data from the writers on almost a weekly basis, my fax is loaded with profiles on the joker to give me an idea of what they are gonna do, ive also been given some of the comic book material to look over and I just become more interested as it developes, to play a villian one must throw it all out the window, and i have not yet really explored that kind of dark side, which makes me enthusiastic to play him, this role i am told will be like watching a car wreck that wont stop, and from the script peices ive been sent on my charactors angles, its just gets deeper and deeeper. This guy is a shark, a fearless shark and i know i can bring that alive...

On what the joker will look like...

That is my question as well, i suppose he will look like me, but ive been told that they are still in prelimanary stages and ive seen no ideas yet, ive been told it will be the joker and that the iconic look will be true, i hope it is...

On working with Bale...

Christain is actually in this film i am doing now on Bob Dylan so ive met him a few times, he is excited as well and that has galvanised me to do it too, he had alot to do with them contacting me, right now we are focused on this film but once we get to warner it will be all Dark Knight...

On the fans who dont like him...

This kind of things affects me zero, it would not matter who is chosen to play the charactor in any film, there is always someone who does not like you and I am secure in my chioces and my record, and if i must say anything directly to them it is that I am going to do the best possible work i can do as an actor, but i know at the end of the day you are never going to please anyone 100 percent, as an entertainer i chose what i want to do based on where i want to go, i am an actor and its my job to do this, but its a dream. I am greatful for getting the role and I have to say i will do whatever it takes to make it the best possible product i can.

On the jack nicholson joker...

That was a film i watched with my mates coming up, to say it was not a great film would be an understatement..i loved and was scared of the joker in that film so its very inspiring that ill be in those shoes, but at the same time what we are gonna have to do is somthing never done before, that was one of my requirements, i refused to carbon copy a perfeormance, that would not be a challenge and it would be mocking mr nicholson whom i have much respect for...

On what it will feel like to be an action figure...

Ive always thought that would be the point where i really made it, i mean i am an action packed guy so making a toy fo me is ok with me mates...

The last one was copied from a German radio interview. Some people weren't sure it was real, but Heath's made comments that were very similar since then, so I would say it's authentic.

Hope that helps!

[Dark Sentinel]

http://www.evilology.net/uploaded/joker2ge1nx.jpg
is this real???

if they could make ledger's Joker look like this, I'll die happy.

[Mr. Socko]

Conrad is wearing a fake pair of teeth in that

[Gonking]

http://www.evilology.net/uploaded/joker2ge1nx.jpg



cool

[WompuM]

Isn't your sig pretty long?

[Mr. Socko]

Especially that giant link to cheapy plug in his board.

[TDKJ]

I know we've discussed the topic of Joker's look numerous times but this is something I wanted to throw out:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/565.jpg

This is a manip from BOF (sorry, I can't recall who made it, but major props, it's excellent) and it's one of the only ones I've seen with a tux. And I think it works.

We know that the Joker is supposed to have 'acquired' his outfit and in the Killing Joke, he wore one to the robbery as it was part of the Red Hood's disguise. Is it possible it's given to him for a robbery in a similar vein and he keeps it?


The person who made that went by the name stationcommand. He did several excellent Joker manips.

[Miranda Fox]

The person who made that went by the name stationcommand. He did several excellent Joker manips.

Thanks! :)

[Crooklyn]

The person who made that went by the name stationcommand. He did several excellent Joker manips.
He also made the Joker/Paul Bettany manips. Those convinced me he would've been a perfect choice. :(

[dark_b]

i dont know why but the more i watch ledger the more i see in him the joker.

[titan101]

He also made the Joker/Paul Bettany manips. he would've been a perfect choice. :woot:

[Gonking]

You should know about this but I found an extract from an interview with David Goyer in wikipedia and it was quite surprising to me.

According to wikipedia:

In a June 2005 interview with Premiere magazine, Batman Begins screenwriter David S. Goyer said The Dark Knight "would have Batman (Christian Bale) enlisting the aid of Gordon (Gary Oldman) and Dent in bringing down the Joker (Heath Ledger), but not killing him. In the third movie, the Joker would go on trial, scarring Dent in the process".[3]

[Robin91939]

Hope that helps!

It does, thanks a lot.

-R

[Tojo]

I think Ledger will bring a seductive quality to Joker. Atleast i hope he will, like the devil or something. I don't think he should be utterly repulsive.

[Fran]

No, I really think that's a great idea, Tojo (devil-ish seduction, I mean).

I hope he doesn't come off as repulsive so much as being a ruthless devil-like prick.

[Fran]

Now, please don't flame me, I've just started to venture into the Bat threads...

...How does Joker get the smile on his face? I'm really curious, and actually forgot :csad:

Thanks.

[I Am The Knight]

"Devil-like prick" ........ Has a nice ring to it.

[Kevin Roegele]

In Begins, the Ras/Scarecrow/Falcone was a trio that, although dangerous, seemed within Batman's ability to deal with. For the Joker, the film really needs that, "Oh oh" feeling, when the audience genuinely thinks Batman has bitten off more than he can chew this time.

[strider]

In Begins, the Ras/Scarecrow/Falcone was a trio that, although dangerous, seemed within Batman's ability to deal with. For the Joker, the film really needs that, "Oh oh" feeling, when the audience genuinely thinks Batman has bitten off more than he can chew this time.

The Joker wont be the only villain in TDK and thank the lord. Im pulling for another "trio" of villains....this time with a more balanced approach.

[Miranda Fox]

In Begins, the Ras/Scarecrow/Falcone was a trio that, although dangerous, seemed within Batman's ability to deal with. For the Joker, the film really needs that, "Oh oh" feeling, when the audience genuinely thinks Batman has bitten off more than he can chew this time.

I agree. The Joker may not be a match fighting wise, but he's cunning and deadly. There are some things training just cannot prepare you for and the Joker is most certainly one of them.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Precisely. Batman "studied the criminal mind," but..Joker is no ordinary criminal. Crane, before getting gassed, was sadistic, greedy and corrupt. As was Falcone. Even Ra's is, in a sense, a terrorist, with very clear motives. Basically typical "criminal" types.

Joker is..one of a kind. :woot:

[FlawlessVictory]

This seems to be the latest pic of Heath Ledger, it was posted today(2/7/07) on A Socialite's Life website, link: http://socialitelife.com/2007/02/07/michelle_williams_probably_doesnt_want_to_talk_to_ you.php

There are other pics there where you see Heath and Michelle together(she is behind him in this pic pushing the stroller)

http://socialitelife.com/images/2007/02/michelle_williams_heath_020707_02.jpg

[Miranda Fox]

< fangirl on> He looks hoooooooot </ fangirl off >

Also, seems to have had a haircut. Hmm.

[Mr. Thing]

< fangirl on> He looks hoooooooot </ fangirl off >

Also, seems to have had a haircut. Hmm.

I think that's pretty much the hairstyle he's gonna have for the Joker.

[Miranda Fox]

I think that's pretty much the hairstyle he's gonna have for the Joker.

I hope so. :)

[dark_b]

I think that's pretty much the hairstyle he's gonna have for the Joker.they could still use a wig. tom cruise also had a wig. and it looked like hes hairs only grey. but he still had a wig. we will see.

[Fran]

Now, please don't flame me, I've just started to venture into the Bat threads...

...How does Joker get the smile on his face? I'm really curious, and actually forgot :csad:

Thanks.

No one? :csad:

[Crooklyn]

He doesn't "get" a smile. He just does it all the time because everything's a joke to him and that makes him happy.

[Fran]

Oh.. well, I thought otherwise for a while.

My bad.

[DACrowe]

Make Joker creepy. The creepier the better. Someone who is in film noir shadows where only his smile shows under the hat. Creepy lighting. A serial killer who kills his victim long before they know it (like what he does to the paper pusher in Laughing Fish would be classic) but if his skin is not white and his hair is not green, then Nolan has missed the entire essence of the character. He is a demented clown. He is depraved but he is a jovial image turned everything wrong with Gotham in the creepiest way possible.

If he just some nutjob with a scarred smile, it is just The Man Who Laughs. Cool but not Joker.

Also the un-moving smile ain't original (well obviously as it is from the silent film) as Burton did it first already.

[Crooklyn]

The creepier the better. Someone who is in film noir shadows where only his smile shows under the hat. Creepy lighting.
That's all and well for his initial appearances, but that'd be a horrible idea if they plan to go that route the whole movie.

[Retroman]

I know we've discussed the topic of Joker's look numerous times but this is something I wanted to throw out:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/565.jpg

This is a manip from BOF (sorry, I can't recall who made it, but major props, it's excellent) and it's one of the only ones I've seen with a tux. And I think it works.

We know that the Joker is supposed to have 'acquired' his outfit and in the Killing Joke, he wore one to the robbery as it was part of the Red Hood's disguise. Is it possible it's given to him for a robbery in a similar vein and he keeps it?

:eek: :up:

[Retroman]

Apparently Ledger starts filming next month.

MF: Can you tell us anything about 'The Dark Knight'?

HL: I'd probably be shot if I told you (anything). They're so tight-lipped about it. I don't even have a script for it. I went to [the screenwriter's] house in L.A. recently and he allowed me to read it, but I had to read it at his house, and he wouldn't let me take it home. But yeah, I give it a bit of thought every now and then, but I've kind of been delaying the preparation process for as long as I can just so I can extend my time-off period.

Ledger still has more than three months off to enjoy. He begins shooting 'The Dark Knight' in March. Source: http://movies.aol.com/indie-film-guide/candy-movie-heath-ledger-interview-2

[War Party]

This would be a pretty good look for the Joker. I'm sure a bunch of you have already seen this video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jOZVp9NFhQE

[Steelsheen]

Apparently Ledger starts filming next month.

Source: http://movies.aol.com/indie-film-guide/candy-movie-heath-ledger-interview-2

delaying it eh? i guess its gonna be an emotional rollercoaster of a character for him then.

i havent been Ledger's biggest supporter, but God knows i wish him the best, if only to make sure that we could get the kind of TDK we're all hoping to get.

[batman7289]

Today I as listening to the radio and a guy named Tim Booth was asked wut his next project was and he said he'd be returing for the Batman Begins sequel. I didnt know who Tim was so I looked it on the net and he played Zsas. So it looks like Zsas will be making an appearance in the sequel.

Yes im trying to find a link for all u non-believers

[Crooklyn]

Get workin. :up:

If true, then I'd say it's safe to say they're definitely touching upon the Arkham break-out. Here's hoping for Zsasz to shine.

[Katsuro]

Awesome news if it's true. This also hints at a possibility of Crane returning, since this means Nolan wants to wrap up the plotline from the last film of the escaped inmates.

[myname]

Awesome. I am a sucker for continuity.

[Macphisto]

If true, I'm surprised he's got the time. His band James are back together and they're hitting the road very soon.

[Keyser Sushi]

If true, I'm surprised he's got the time. His band James are back together and they're hitting the road very soon.

Tim Booth was in James?

Well, I'm sure they'll sell three tickets to one of their shows, and then he can come back and be in Batman. :o

[CConn]

Zsasz obviously reforms and decides to change his name to Harvey Dent in the interim between BB and TDK.

[Silver Souper]

Today I as listening to the radio and a guy named Tim Booth was asked wut his next project was and he said he'd be returing for the Batman Begins sequel. I didnt know who Tim was so I looked it on the net and he played Zsas. So it looks like Zsas will be making an appearance in the sequel.

Yes im trying to find a link for all u non-believers

great news. i'd love to see some interacting between zzazz and joker. i'm sure my spelling was off there...

[Keyser Sushi]

Zsasz obviously reforms and decides to change his name to Harvey Dent in the interim between BB and TDK.

LOL!!! Oh, it's good to have you back, CConn. :up:

[zer00]

Awesome news if true. And means that Crane might possibly appear as well. But TDK will have more psychopathic killer than in a SINGLE episode of That's So Raven

[General Vulcun]

What radio station, in what city, was it?

[Keyser Sushi]

Awesome news if true. And means that Crane might possibly appear as well. But TDK will have more psychopathic killer than in a SINGLE episode of That's So Raven

I dunno, she always has kinda scared me...

http://thecosbyshow75.altervista.org/italiano/personaggi/olivia.jpg

[yankee]

Good news and if only we get this news about Katie and Freeman.

[Stringer]

Good news. Thatd be great if they brought Crane back as well.

[Joker]

Good news and if only we get this news about Katie and Freeman.

Katie sucked and is officially out...I want Freeman back if there's a part for Lucious in the script though...his character arc seems to be pretty much over with though...

[batman44]

:up: Hope it's true, I wanna see Zsaz kill someone and mark his skin.

[titan101]

I wanna see Zsaz kill someone and mark his skin. yeah, as long as ignorant ****s who have no clue what the character's all about don't go around saying , " uuuh why does he cut himself ? EMO !!!"

[zer00]

yeah, as long as ignorant ****s who have no clue what the character's all about don't go around saying , " uuuh why does he cut himself ? EMO !!!"

I think the huge supply of tally marks may give some indication

[strider]

Zsasz working for a new boss maybe? Maroni or Sionis? PWNED.

[Batman1939]

Good news know all we need to know if that Crane and Freeman are coming back and who is goin to be Harvey Dent and Rachel Dawes.

[Damiean Dark]

That guy was crap as zzas maybe its because of his lack of lines but he didnt seem like the demented but intelligent pshyco who i read in the comics read his confrontation with batman in knightfall to see what i mean.

[Crooklyn]

I always did find it suspicious they went with a guy that's barely acted. Even weirder since it seems Zsasz won't be a throwaway cameo, considering he's returning.

[Anjow1060]

Oh Look, Damien Dark has crawled out of his crevice in the wall to ***** about the Begins films some more.

The only way you'd be happy with Zsasz is if he was type-cast as an "animal" being. I know! Lets Burton-ize it and give him orange/white striped hair and make him like a Tiger!


.........*Spare me*

[jimmy]

Great to hear. I was thinking about Zsas the other night when reading Knightfall.

I wonder what Nolan has planned for him this time around.

[zer00]

That guy was crap as zzas maybe its because of his lack of lines but he didnt seem like the demented but intelligent pshyco who i read in the comics read his confrontation with batman in knightfall to see what i mean.

His screentime equals like a 1:30 seconds. Are you even aware what you're talking about or are you just REALLY trying to be a fanboy?

[Batman jr.]

Perhaps Zsaz will be working for Mr Joker...

[Retroman]

Today I as listening to the radio and a guy named Tim Booth was asked wut his next project was and he said he'd be returing for the Batman Begins sequel. I didnt know who Tim was so I looked it on the net and he played Zsas. So it looks like Zsas will be making an appearance in the sequel.

Yes im trying to find a link for all u non-believers

Awesome! You should send this into the hype mainpage.:up:

This is interesting cause Batman took down Zsasz in BB. Did he escape or is he back in Arkham this time?

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9493/boothasvictorzsaszet3.jpg

BTW care to share which radio station he was on?

[Milkman95]

Zsasz was never caught - he got hit by Batman when he saved Rachel and the kid.

He'd be good to have back, but I bet Freeman is out. Like someone else said before, TDK doesn't need his character back really.........

[Two-Face]

This good news if true but I hope Freeman returns since Fox is the CEO of Wayne Enterprises.

[Milkman95]

This good news if true but I hope Freeman returns since Fox is the CEO of Wayne Enterprises.

Exactly why he doesn't need to return - the story is about Batman and The Joker, not about the new CEO of Wayne Enterprises.

[Retroman]

Zsasz was never caught - he got hit by Batman when he saved Rachel and the kid.
Hmm...wasn't their some rumor that TDK would start with Batman taking down Zsaz?
He'd be good to have back, but I bet Freeman is out. Like someone else said before, TDK doesn't need his character back really.........
He does IMO.I'll be very disappointed if Freeman doesn't return.

[Retroman]

Heres the bit i was talking about.

More Zsaz info
Author: Jett
Monday, November 15, 2004, 6:36 AM CST: Got this in overnight from a very good source who has been spot-on before. Here is what he had to say--

I can see your beginning to see the light about what I was saying about Pearce not appearing, you are very much on the right track. He's not in anyway involved right now. However, Zsasz, seems to be very much involved, and "at large" at the end of the film.

Remember how its been rumored the second film will open with Batman chasing some villian and catching him?

(zzzz) Wonder who is might be? (zzzz)

Our source says don't take this as confirmation, so keep that in mind. He also backs-up the news that Pearce has no involvement with BEGINS. So if Dent does show up, it ain't going to be Guy. As I said yesterday, if the Zsasz rumor pans out, expect nothing more than a cameo. We'll see what happens. Late.Source: http://www.batman-on-film.com/b5newsarchives34.html

[Retroman]

Exactly why he doesn't need to return - the story is about Batman and The Joker, not about the new CEO of Wayne Enterprises.

Batman and The Joker need supporting characters. They can't hold the movie byt themselves. It was established in the last movie that Fox was heading Wayne Enterprises and that Bruce needed to go to him to 'borrow' things.You can't just write him out like that.

[astheniac]

if booth is back then this is great news, lets hope he has a slightly bigger part .

[explode7]

I hope he's transformed into the question in part 3.

[FaT_tONle]

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[explode7]

Sadly your're right.:(

[Miranda Fox]

Heres the bit i was talking about.

Source: http://www.batman-on-film.com/b5newsarchives34.html

If that's true, Clint's insistance on the opener involving the Joker is exactly what I've been saying for ages - bunk. He isn't going to kill Rachel...not at the beginning anyway. Hopefully not at all.

I wouldn't worry about Freeman. If he's in the script, they'll get him back.

[FaT_tONle]

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[FaT_tONle]

Oh damn... thought I wa sposting in the Sionis thread... ma bad... ^^^

[Cinemaman]

If in the beginning of TDK Batman starts hunt for those, who escaped from Arkham Asylum, then it will make sense to put Zsasz in opening foor chase :up:

[Two-Face]

Batman and The Joker need supporting characters. They can't hold the movie byt themselves. It was established in the last movie that Fox was heading Wayne Enterprises and that Bruce needed to go to him to 'borrow' things.You can't just write him out like that.

Exactly my point, it would be like "hey where Morgan Freeman gone to?"

[Nepenthes]

this is awesome news. means arkham break-out has real effects in TDK and scarecrow is most likely coming back. plus Zasz is just an all around great guy! hope we see some tally marks happening

[mcflytrap]

Batman and The Joker need supporting characters. They can't hold the movie byt themselves. It was established in the last movie that Fox was heading Wayne Enterprises and that Bruce needed to go to him to 'borrow' things.You can't just write him out like that.

Absolutely. Fox is essential to Batman's growth as a crimefighter.

[Joker]

I think the huge supply of tally marks may give some indication

he already had the tally marks too, if you look closely at his arms and neck in Begins during the court scene

[CConn]

LOL!!! Oh, it's good to have you back, CConn. :up:
Yes, I've been off in Community forming my cult The Connunists.

We're sorta a cross between Nazi Germany and the USSR. But with a little less evil, and a lot more homoeroticisms.

[Joker]

Yes, I've been off in Community forming my cult The Connunists.

We're sorta a cross between Nazi Germany and the USSR. But with a little less evil, and a lot more homoeroticisms.

homoeroticism? sign me up!

[Damiean Dark]

the supporting cast in BB is what carried the movie from okay to good for me Liam neeson, rutgar haeur, Gary oldman, that guy who played falcone and especially morgan freeman carried the punch the film needed they actually overshadow bales performance as wayne imo. I hope they take note of this in TDK and bring back freeman (of course oldman is a given) who is the only one who can practically still appear considering the events that occured in BB

[The Dutch Hulk]

Katie sucked and is officially out...I want Freeman back if there's a part for Lucious in the script though...his character arc seems to be pretty much over with though...

Couldn't agree with you on that one.

I hope there is a Lucious Fox in the script and Freeman def. should get that role.

Katie sucked and they need to find a real and pretty Rachel Dawes.

[Closerframe]

As long as he wears purple im cool with what he wears. Nolan knows if he changes the character to much fans will be pissed.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

actually..for me..it will be the smile..if he has that down..i'm sold..i also think he will have long hair.

[Damiean Dark]

People discount the voice and laugh too much watch those joker inpersonations on youtube they look great and act good but as soon as they open their mouths to speak it goes out the window. its probably cos the ultimate or most well known interpretation of joker, Jack in B89 and mark hamil in BTAS are stuck in our brains.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Hamil in my opinion has had the best voice for the joker.. infact in the early 90's he could have pulled off the joker quite well..

remember the trickster from the Flash live action..basicly the joker.

[Closerframe]

I hope the Jokers hair is long and dark green Ledger already has the smile. I don't think Nolans Joker will laugh that much.

[Miranda Fox]

I...I think I love Topher Grace:


ON WHAT SUPERHERO MOVIE TOPHER IS LOOKING FORWARD TO OTHER THAN "SPIDER-MAN 3"
Topher: I can't wait to see what Heath Ledger does [as the Joker in 'The Dark Knight'], man. I'm so stoked.


http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9634


:woot:

[Crooklyn]

Topher is the only true comic book geek I've seen in Hollywood. :D

Well there's Nic Cage. But he's old. :o

[Darknightnomis]

Topher is the only true comic book geek I've seen in Hollywood. :D

Well there's Nic Cage. But he's old. :o

Seth Green also.

[Darknightnomis]

Topher is the only true comic book geek I've seen in Hollywood. :D

Well there's Nic Cage. But he's old.

Seth Green also.

[JStorm]

Topher is the only true comic book geek I've seen in Hollywood. :D

Well there's Nic Cage. But he's old. :o

Ben Affleck
Jason Lee
Kevin Smith
Jason Mewes

Yes, I know that is the entire cast of Mallrats minus Brenda Walsh; but you get my point.

[Nepenthes]

Saw Nic Cage on Jay Leno tonight. He said he missed his comic book collection. Aw.

Don't ever sell your comics for a chick!

[Paste Pot Pete]

Saw Nic Cage on Jay Leno tonight. He said he missed his comic book collection. Aw.

Don't ever sell your comics for a chick!

But he still has his Ghost Riders. Atta boy!

[metkalfe]

As long as there's no UST between Batman and the Joker I will feel assured.
teehee!

[Van Petrol]

I...I think I love Topher Grace:

ON WHAT SUPERHERO MOVIE TOPHER IS LOOKING FORWARD TO OTHER THAN "SPIDER-MAN 3"
Topher: I can't wait to see what Heath Ledger does [as the Joker in 'The Dark Knight'], man. I'm so stoked.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9634


:woot:

Good Stuff! :up:

[Mr. Socko]

Oh man, can't wait to see the first pics of the Joker!!!!!

[Nepenthes]

man tell me about it. It's more than year away and I've never been ANYWHERE this excited about a friggin movie before. Some friends have actually told me to 'STFU and chill out dude'. Those first pics are gonna be a real 'moment' I can tell.

[Nepenthes]

:joker: double post

[The_Dark_Knight]

I thought Awndrew Koeings did a good job of the Joker in Batman: Dead End. I wouldnt have mind seeing him as the Joker in TDK.

http://www.aintitcool.com/images/jokergrina.jpg

Oh well. I'm sure the Broke Back Mountin dude will do pretty good. if they try. pull through for us Nolen. We Trust You.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Heathe is gonna PWN as the Joker

mark my words

[Damiean Dark]

I thought Awndrew Koeings did a good job of the Joker in Batman: Dead End. I wouldnt have mind seeing him as the Joker in TDK.

http://www.aintitcool.com/images/jokergrina.jpg

Oh well. I'm sure the Broke Back Mountin dude will do pretty good. if they try. pull through for us Nolen. We Trust You.

Hes good but he is crap at the voice of the joker and his laugh is terrible. Thats my fear for tdk Ledger may look the part in the movie but will he soound the part???.

[Nepenthes]

I hope Ledger keeps his natural deep voice. Nothing says the Joker must speak in a high-pitch if Ledger tries to force it might sound ridiculous.


The Dead End guy........yeah okay buddy.

[itsthebatman]

Never that keen on the Dead End Joker. Or the Dead End Batman, in all honesty. The cloth outfit just doesn't translate well to screen. Looked like a bad Alex Ross Batman. Having said that, I would LOVE the Joker to be like Ross's - the best look and one that would translate very well on film, I feel.

[MechaOrga]

I hope Ledger keeps his natural deep voice. Nothing says the Joker must speak in a high-pitch if Ledger tries to force it might sound ridiculous.


The Dead End guy........yeah okay buddy.

In every incarnation of the joker:joker: in moving media, joker always has a high-pitched creepy voice (save for "the Batman" shoe-less version)

I find it funny that they cast a man with a very deep manly voice. Heath is a good fearless actor(you have to be to be in A Knight's Tale! sheeesh that movie was horrible) but i never heard him with a different tone to his voice(other than baritone or something.....).

I think it would be cool if he keeps his own voice too. That would be ultra creepy. But he may surprise us with a higher pitch( I know they are drawing on Alex from "A Clockwork Orange...:up: .)

Dead End was good for a fan film(all tights, no story, no chracter development...) and that's that

[itsthebatman]

In every incarnation of the joker:joker: in moving media, joker always has a high-pitched creepy voice (save for "the Batman" shoe-less version)

I find it funny that they cast a man with a very deep manly voice. Heath is a good fearless actor(you have to be to be in A Knight's Tale! sheeesh that movie was horrible) but i never heard him with a different tone to his voice(other than baritone or something.....).

I think it would be cool if he keeps his own voice too. That would be ultra creepy. But he may surprise us with a higher pitch( I know they are drawing on Alex from "A Clockwork Orange...:up: .)

Dead End was good for a fan film(all tights, no story, no chracter development...) and that's that

Jack Nicholson hardly had a high-pitched voice. When he was laughing wildly, maybe, but other than that, it wasn't that creepy. It was in the eyes, as Heath said.

[MechaOrga]

Jack Nicholson hardly had a high-pitched voice. When he was laughing wildly, maybe, but other than that, it wasn't that creepy. It was in the eyes, as Heath said.

I feel silly. I honestly forgot about Jack's voice (which is still not very low IMO)

The laugh of Jack is certainly very traditional joker-esque. I can't see Heath going that way.

All about the eyes is totally right(Alex from A Clockwork Orange/first appearance of Mr. J in Batman #1 -"he had hate filled eyes")

[DeFett]

Not Joker news but a recent pic of Heath and what he seems to be doing at the moment. He must be preparing to start filming soon I hope.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a301/DeFett/0538931700.jpg
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/showbuzz
Heath Ledger
FILM star Heath Ledger has teamed up with singer/songwriter Ben Harper to start a music label, Masses Music Co. Ledger unveiled the label's first act, Perth teenager Grace Woodroofe, at the opening of club lounge Edison in Los Angeles last week. The Brokeback Mountain star personally signed 17-year-old Woodroofe to his new label after he "fell in love with" her voice, sources said. Ledger is taking a hands-on approach with his new signing's career and even shot her new music video. - MX / AP

[RedIsNotBlue]

Ledger's feces can cure the diabetes.

[DeFett]

Type 1 or 2 diabetes?

[Joker]

so...Joker in the comics now has the permanent, carved on (somewhat) smile...

[Crooklyn]

Pics??

[Joker]

Pics??

I dont have a scanner, but there's a page painting of it about halfway through Batman #663 which just came out today...he got shot in the face by a crazy cop dressed up as batman a ways back, and a result of the extensive facial reconstruction is the permanent, scarred smile...it looks like the only thing keeping his mouth from going all Ichi the killer is the stitches

[Retroman]

He Batman7289, care to share on which station Tim Booth allegedly made these comments?:confused:

Oh and didn't this story originate from this site and not BOF (http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html)?

[vibeke_T]

yay. continuity is cool.

[MechaOrga]

I dont have a scanner, but there's a page painting of it about halfway through Batman #663 which just came out today...he got shot in the face by a crazy cop dressed up as batman a ways back, and a result of the extensive facial reconstruction is the permanent, scarred smile...it looks like the only thing keeping his mouth from going all Ichi the killer is the stitches

Cool gotta check it out.

Something cool and new for a illustrated character thats been around for 60 years

( however I dont want the scarred smile on heath, IMO)

God i hated Ichi the Killer:csad:

[Arkard]

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6662/joknewlook001jz5.jpg

Grant Morrison has commited crime againts Art, Comic Books, general goodness, world peace, and most likely kicked a few puppies when he came up with that. I guess we should stop calling him The Joker and simply go with Killer Clown. And he can have some great lines that will fit the character like "It puts the lotion on the skin".
Also, isnt plagiarism kinda illegal? The Grinch will make billions on the lawsuit...

[thedarks0ldier]

you mean world peace?

[Closerframe]

I hope the Joker looks like one of the three:

1. http://files.splinder.com/f4c1bfa2b48e14985ecd4a51ee8febc7.jpeg



2. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Manwholaughs.jpg


3. http://www.newsaramablog.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Bermejo-joker.jpg

I love the idea of a carved smile its so disturbing and it'll be a new look never seen on screen for the Joker.

[Two-Face]

Second pic is Red X!

[titan101]

i like when he goes all crazy and starts talking to himself maybe Heath can do something like this....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71UQSBWQgiM

be sure to watch pt2 and 3 of course by clicking on the right hand side. "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation. ":csad:

[Octoberist]

Not Joker news but a recent pic of Heath and what he seems to be doing at the moment. He must be preparing to start filming soon I hope.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a301/DeFett/0538931700.jpg
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/showbuzz
Heath Ledger
FILM star Heath Ledger has teamed up with singer/songwriter Ben Harper to start a music label, Masses Music Co. Ledger unveiled the label's first act, Perth teenager Grace Woodroofe, at the opening of club lounge Edison in Los Angeles last week. The Brokeback Mountain star personally signed 17-year-old Woodroofe to his new label after he "fell in love with" her voice, sources said. Ledger is taking a hands-on approach with his new signing's career and even shot her new music video. - MX / AP

what is he 28? my god, his hair is thinning out. No matter, as long as they use a hair piece or a shaved head.

[Joker]

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6662/joknewlook001jz5.jpg

Grant Morrison has commited crime againts Art, Comic Books, general goodness, world peace, and most likely kicked a few puppies when he came up with that. I guess we should stop calling him The Joker and simply go with Killer Clown. And he can have some great lines that will fit the character like "It puts the lotion on the skin".
Also, isnt plagiarism kinda illegal? The Grinch will make billions on the lawsuit...

you sir, are a total idiot, and over-reacting to the b**ch

[Two-Face]

I hope the Joker looks like one of the three:

1. http://files.splinder.com/f4c1bfa2b48e14985ecd4a51ee8febc7.jpeg



2. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Manwholaughs.jpg


3. http://www.newsaramablog.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Bermejo-joker.jpg

I love the idea of a carved smile its so disturbing and it'll be a new look never seen on screen for the Joker.


Second one is my favourite! :up:

[Arkard]

you sir, are a total idiot, and over-reacting to the b**ch
Sir, I take offense to the way you have expressed your discontent for my statement!
Seriously, how can anyone like that? It goes againts everything Joker has been for many eyars. "The Batman" version is closer to the source in terms of looks... and that's saying something.

[Rynan]

Sir, I take offense to the way you have expressed your discontent for my statement!
Seriously, how can anyone like that? It goes againts everything Joker has been for many eyars. "The Batman" version is closer to the source in terms of looks... and that's saying something.

If it's any comfort, I agree with you and I have five bucks which says it'll be dropped like Hush Returns.

And might I add, Gee, haven't comic books become s*** recently? They just seem to be streaching the ideas of gore, violence, "exteam"-ness and "twists" (which aren't really twists at all) to irrational levels, making it completely and totally boring. This Joker sitch is just another peice of crap in a sea of continuing crap.:o

I am so glad I'm not buying comic books nowadays. Talk about a waste of money.

[Arkard]

Dont worry, if I got offended by anything on the net (that includes pictures of man having sex with donkeys and jews telling me the holocaust never happened) I would not last long here.

And yes, I share your view that comic books are simply not living to the level they once held. Authors more and more are either afraid to experiment with the characters, dreading the backlash from the "fans", or totally mess up a character to the point where they might as well draw a picture of themselves taking a big old dump on the character's chest. And call me crazy but all the "touching ups" on heroes seems to be making them crazier than ever. The Miller-ish crazy Batman and this Joker are living proof of that. So in the end we either get rehased crap served o na plastic plate or a mystery dish that resembles the intented food only in vauge shape.

Thank god I only buy selected graphic novels and japanese comics.

[Joker]

you know, if the internet were around when The Killing Joke came out, you'd probably be one of the people on it posting stuff like "the joker would never be so evil! he would never rape barbara gordon! why isnt he robbing things to spell out his name anymore? alan moore has commited crimes against art and humaity!"...if you were to actually read the issue, you would see that Morrisons Joker is a brilliant re-invention of the character, as Killing Joke, and Arkham Asylum both after were...he's as evil and sick as we've ever seen him, and I love his new personality and his new look

and the whole thing about it going against everything he is as a character is both the point, and only half true. he's still a psychotic clown man, but he's now pure evil, without any of the slapstick nature he had before. As the comic itself said, he reinvents himself every few years anyway. And it's about time too, as he was getting stale. The only major Joker story from the last 10 years I can think of that had any lasting effect on me was Man Who Laughs.

And he still has green hair and chalk white skin, and I'm sure he'll still wear his suit (or something else classy looking) when he actually escapes Arkham, he was only wearing ths smock as he had just escaped from the arkham medical wing. So no, he's not further away than The Batmans dreadlocked monkey man with hands for feet version of the character as far as looks go.

[Arkard]

you know, if the internet were around when The Killing Joke came out, you'd probably be one of the people on it posting stuff like "the joker would never be so evil! he would never rape barbara gordon! why isnt he robbing things to spell out his name anymore? alan moore has commited crimes against art and humaity!"...
Nah, cause I consider TKJ an Elseworld. Moore has some interesting ideas, what will his theories on the nature of Madness, but he made 2 big mistakes. First one was making The Joker a rather sympathetic villain. See, I dont need that **** to like The Joker, I liked him years before reading TKJ, and still found him an interesting character. BUT, given the Joker's line about "sometimes remembering it one way, sometimes the other" I let it past. OVerally MMoore udnerstood The Joker. The Joker was happy, had full control of his facial expressions, was smiling by his ow nature, dressed flashily, made really horrible jokes like the oen about Babs. The Joker was OK, it was Batman I had problems with. Whimpy, bleeding heart Batman, who shares a laugh with his greatest enemy near the end, a person who crippled his Batgirl and tortured his best friend. Weeeeeeee....
I know what Moore tried to do, he tried to show us that Batman is also crazy, but I do not buy it. For me. Batman hates all criminals with a vengeance. That is why TKJ is strickly Elseworld for me, no matter what DC proclaims. And as I remember, Moore himself thought up of the story as an Elseworld, yet people loved it and soon it came to be incorporaed in the canon.
f you were to actually read the issue, you would see that Morrisons Joker is a brilliant re-invention of the character, as Killing Joke, and Arkham Asylum both after were...he's as evil and sick as we've ever seen him, and I love his new personality and his new look
Just finished reading it (friend scanned it for me). The Joker seems like nothing like he used to be. He has lost all funny and clownish aspect to him. But I give grats to Morisson, he managed to genetically breed John Doe's from Se7en and Buffalo Bill's baby. He even nicknamed him the Joker, you know, it must be in honor of that Batman character.
and the whole thing about it going against everything he is as a character is both the point, and only half true. he's still a psychotic clown man, but he's now pure evil, without any of the slapstick nature he had before. As the comic itself said, he reinvents himself every few years anyway. And it's about time too, as he was getting stale. The only major Joker story from the last 10 years I can think of that had any lasting effect on me was Man Who Laughs.
So just because the authors get lazy, and DC has nothing better to think of than "he re-invents himself a couple of years" we should jsut embrace every ****y interpretation of The Joker, even the one that parmanently changes the character?
The Joker is not PURE EVIL. The Joker is a grim Jester. The Joker without his clownish looks, and with the more morbid and darkish personality, ala Se7en or Silence of the Lambs, he really does not resemble anything I have yet to know in The Joker for all these years. He looks liek a Tim Burton idea. An evil Grinch. Morisson should simply stick that in an Elseworld. Cause I could look over the personality, and go, well yeah, The Joker can have his more gruesome days, but this new look? HORRIBLE.
And he still has green hair and chalk white skin, and I'm sure he'll still wear his suit (or something else classy looking) when he actually escapes Arkham, he was only wearing ths smock as he had just escaped from the arkham medical wing. So no, he's not further away than The Batmans dreadlocked monkey man with hands for feet version of the character as far as looks go.
He looks like an albino, rather than ahving white skin. The curved smile is aweful.

[Hunter Rider]

The Morrison pic is gone:csad:

[Arkard]

I think it's on Wiki now. If not I will upload it myself.

[Arkard]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Joker_new_look.jpg

I still say it looks like The Grinch gone Burton.
But I am getting a bitused to the personality. Maybe it's nto that bad, but the look is GODAWEFUL.

[Hunter Rider]

Thanks Arkard:up: gotta say i'm not a fan of that look at all,hope Nolan goes more like TMWL

[Arkard]

Well I am still fresh on it. Really think it blows. I hope he wil get some Science Fiction reconstructive surgery and goes back to a more normal looking face, as far as white faces go.
You gotta ask yourself when exactly will the Joker start eating and raping children... eh... what is the deal with making all the characters so damn "Dark" lately. Oh, Mad Hatter is a pedophile, Killer Croc is a canibal, The Riddler was beaten by his father and is a victim of childhood trauma (Well fine, that is actually a pretty good idea), Batman is a loonatic and cant control is anger, The Joker feasts on children's organs... give me a break..

[bane]

Quick manip i made for 15 mins.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/921/jokerdc5.jpg

[Arkard]

I like it. I would mess up his teeth more, but that's just me, and make the hair a bit bit darker, and add some chicken-claws under his eyes, but overally it's pretty nice :)

[MechaOrga]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Joker_new_look.jpg

I still say it looks like The Grinch gone Burton.
But I am getting a bitused to the personality. Maybe it's nto that bad, but the look is GODAWEFUL.

Holy crap!! Michael Jackson???!!!:wow:

[Hyper Venom]

Alright, kiddies. Legit or not?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Joker2ge1nx.jpg

[L.A.]

hahahahahahaha

[Arkard]

Ohmygod, Isthatheath Ledger? This Movie Is Goingtobeaweesome!!!! Nomatter That Thisguy Does Not Lookanythingliek Ledger! Itmust Be Him!!1 Lol!!

[itsthebatman]

hunter rider can we stop people posting that manip... again and again and again....

[Mr. Thing]

Alright, kiddies. Legit or not?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Joker2ge1nx.jpg

http://idata.over-blog.com/0/16/26/74/heathcliff-andrew-ledger/heath-ledger-2.jpg

Decide for yourself.

I swear, that manip should be banned.

[Hyper Venom]

Meh, too bad. Somebody better tell the Wikipedians it's not legit, 'cuz that's where I found it.

[Arkard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_%28comics%29

Where exactly?

[Hyper Venom]

It was at the bottom of the page, right where they mention The Dark Knight. Though the day before yesterday it was up, then yesterday it was gone, and earlier today it was back up. I guess someone took it down again.

In any case, here's the link to the pic. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Joker2ge1nx.jpg

[Arkard]

Some people like to vandalise the Joker wiki by posting this pic.
The problem is, the pic looks really nice, so alot people, the Wiki Mods included, can easily fall for it. I think I took that picture down myself 2 times, but that was a few months ago. I see somebody started doing it again.

[Hyper Venom]

You're right, though. It is really nice. I'd honestly call it the best manip I've ever seen. Wouldn't mind if Joker ended up looking like that in the movie.

By the way, who is the actor in the picture?

[Arkard]

Well, the whole Photoshop aspect is not THAT great, but the overall look is amazing, I will give you that.
This is the picture of Conrad Veidt, an actor born in the 19th century, a very famous silent movie actor of his times. The picture is from the movie The Man Who Laughs, the adaptation of Victor Hugo's famous book by the same title, about a man, grossly disfigured with a perma-grin. The picture of Conrad Veidt from that particular movie served as an inspiration for Bob Kane when he created the look of the Joker, back in the 40s. And by inspiration, I mean Kane basically penciled the picture on to paper, ave him more hair and a purple suit and voila, you got your 1940 Joker.
Funny Story #1: The man who pitched the idea for The Joker, Jerry Robinson, wanted the Joker to wear a full out medieval court jester suit, but LUCKILY Kane went againts that and copied from Veidt. I think it was for the best.
Funny Story #2: Conrad Veidt is actually Maj. Strasser from, get this, CASABLANCA.

[Rynan]

Funny Story #1: The man who pitched the idea for The Joker, Jerry Robinson, wanted the Joker to wear a full out medieval court jester suit, but LUCKILY Kane went againts that and copied from Veidt. I think it was for the best.

Correction: It was Bill Finger who orginally suggested using Conrad Veidt as bases for The Joker. Bob liked it and went with it.

[Arkard]

Really? I was pretty sure it was Kane all the way. He, being the hack that he was, wanted to use something he might later on call "inspiration" if people attacked him for blatantly ripping off Dick Tracy.

[titan101]

Quick manip i made for 15 mins.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/921/jokerdc5.jpg not too bad. i like it!

[Jager X]

^^^
he looks too much like john c. reilly in that pic.

[Nepenthes]

that manip is damn creepy. i don't like looking at it. awesome :up: :joker:

(i'd second the darker hair though :cwink:)

[Lobster Charlie]

Quick manip i made for 15 mins.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/921/jokerdc5.jpg

That's pretty good!

[Shoemeister]

Quick manip i made for 15 mins.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/921/jokerdc5.jpg

This pretty much kicks ass.

[jimmy]

Alright, kiddies. Legit or not?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Joker2ge1nx.jpg

People still fall for this.

[bane]

Glad you people are liking it, here it is with darker hair
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/2728/jokeruq1.jpg

[Arkard]

Mr J is that you?
I like it :)

[DA Harvey Dent]

Glad you people are liking it, here it is with darker hair
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/2728/jokeruq1.jpg

Looks fantastic Bane

[DorkyFresh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/jokerledger1.jpg

[Arkard]

The bright green really clashes with the darkish purple. And why no white face? I would even take a pale one.

[DorkyFresh]

he's pale, i just added the Batman Begins orange tint to the picture.

edit: problems fixed!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/jokerledger1a.jpg

[Miranda Fox]

FYI, head on over to BOF's forums. There's a bit about the Joker on there.

Personal reaction - It SUCKS. :cmad:

Nolan, I am not impressed.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

link perhaps?

[Hunter Rider]

FYI, head on over to BOF's forums. There's a bit about the Joker on there.

Personal reaction - It SUCKS. :cmad:

Nolan, I am not impressed.

:wow: Post it here Miranda,if it's that big make a new thread and i'll keep it open for a few days before merging

[Miranda Fox]

:wow: Post it here Miranda,if it's that big make a new thread and i'll keep it open for a few days before merging

Can't. Jett asks that non-BOF'ers don't report this stuff elsewhere, unless it's on the main news page. It might still show up there. Although there's nothing about letting people know there's a post.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

where the hell is it? i have seen nothing.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

a cut smile?

[Miranda Fox]

a cut smile?

Yes.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

bugger..that sounds..interesting..guess we will have to see how it looks first?

[Miranda Fox]

bugger..that sounds..interesting..guess we will have to see how it looks first?

Yeah. Bermejo's idea wasn't bad, actually. But I'm not a fan of the concept of a cut smile at all. I really, really hope it looks good. But I'm not holding my breath.

[Hunter Rider]

Can't. Jett asks that non-BOF'ers don't report this stuff elsewhere, unless it's on the main news page. It might still show up there. Although there's nothing about letting people know there's a post.

understood:cwink: but im guessing from Robo's post that we need the Bermejo pic up in here

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

i know how it looks..

i will be back.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6537/bermejojoker1jp5.jpg

that said image

[Crooklyn]

If this is what they meant by a darker, gruesome, Joker...huge f'n thumbs down from me. :down :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6537/bermejojoker1jp5.jpg

that said image

He looks a bit like a mutant,i'll hold judgement till we see what it looks like in the flesh so to speak

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

He looks a bit like a mutant,i'll hold judgement till we see what it looks like in the flesh so to speak



Agreed..but its ass if you ask me.. don't like the cut look.

[bane]

I can live with it, updated manip:woot:
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/1536/joker2zh1.jpg

[Miranda Fox]

If this is what they meant by a darker, gruesome, Joker...huge f'n thumbs down from me. :down :mad:

Exactly. He can be dark without being unnecessarily grusome. That's just cheap and unoriginal.

You know, I always defended Nolan when people called him unimaginative. I'm beginning to wonder whether the haters were right all along.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I can live with it, updated manip:woot:
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/1536/joker2zh1.jpg



it may work..

[Crooklyn]

Well on the upside Jett has been off the mark 90% of the time for the past year anyway....let's hope the trend continues. :o

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Exactly. He can be dark without being unnecessarily grusome. That's just cheap and unoriginal.

You know, I always defended Nolan when people called him unimaginative. I'm beginning to wonder whether the haters were right all along.



hey hey... there not right with just because of that..decisions like that should be made..when we see his version of that look..it may be super.

[Miranda Fox]

Well on the upside Jett has been off the mark 90% of the time for the past year anyway....let's hope the trend continues. :o

LOL. Yeah, wasn't there a bunch of BS reports about Batman's suit too?

Still...given all the details we've got so far, it just doesn't seem all that wide of the mark. In fact, it sadly makes a lot of sense.

[Crooklyn]

hey hey... there not right with just because of that..decisions like that should be made..when we see his version of that look..it may be super.
A cut smile is not something that can really look that much different from anyone else's vision..of a cut smile. The idea sucks balls.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

A cut smile is not something that can really look that much different from anyone else's vision..of a cut smile. The idea sucks balls.



Ok granted..but until we see that final product on screen or a proper picture..people should remain optimistic..i'm not a big fan of the idea either..but i would rather see what it turns out like first.

[Miranda Fox]

Ok granted..but until we see that final product on screen or a proper picture..people should remain optimistic..i'm not a big fan of the idea either..but i would rather see what it turns out like first.

If the film is good, I'll see it. That's how I approach these things. :)

[dark_b]

never doubt nolan.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

If the film is good, I'll see it. That's how I approach these things. :)



then you are a very smart lady.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

never doubt nolan.



dude..you should know better...



that should be NEVAH doubt nolan

[Crooklyn]

Ok granted..but until we see that final product on screen or a proper picture..people should remain optimistic..i'm not a big fan of the idea either..but i would rather see what it turns out like first.
Oh I'll still see the film, but I honestly can't remain optimistic about a self-inflicted carving. That's so....not Joker.

But like I've said, this is just another moment where I'm relying on Jett's hole to be dug into the grave even further. Here's hoping. :up:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

i don't trust jett that much anyway.

[dark_b]

a cut smile is not a cut smile. they can make it 100 times different.

i rather see ledger with normal skin and a cut smile than white skin nand normal lips.

i have faith in ledgers acting and nolans directing ledger. i hope he will be creepy,sadistic and funny. but notlike lex hehe ;)

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

a cut smile is not a cut smile. they can make it 100 times different.

i rather see ledger with normal skin and a cut smile than white skin nand normal lips.

i have faith in ledgers acting and nolans directing ledger. i hope he will be creepy,sadistic and funny. but notlike lex hehe ;)

no white skin?

get out of this board..the joker has to have white skin dude!!

[Crooklyn]

a cut smile is not a cut smile. they can make it 100 times different.
Yeah that makes sense. :huh:

i rather see ledger with normal skin and a cut smile than white skin and normal lips.
:dry: :dry: :dry:

[Miranda Fox]

Oh I'll still see the film, but I honestly can't remain optimistic about a self-inflicted carving. That's so....not Joker.

But like I've said, this is just another moment where I'm relying on Jett's hole to be dug into the grave even further. Here's hoping. :up:

Well, apparently his post was in response to having read Morrison's story, which sounds to me like speculation...

[dark_b]

no white skin?

get out of this board..the joker has to have white skin dude!!i mean white. i meant really white. :cwink:

you dont want to see the joker with a really white skin right?

[Hunter Rider]

Exactly. He can be dark without being unnecessarily grusome. That's just cheap and unoriginal.

You know, I always defended Nolan when people called him unimaginative. I'm beginning to wonder whether the haters were right all along.

There's no logical reason he needs to go the cut smile route but i have felt a while we may well see a different Joker,sans white face,ruby lips and purple suit....the key now is in the execution of the look

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

i mean white. i meant really white. :cwink:

you dont want to see the joker with a really white skin right?



not as bright as 89..but he must have a bleeched look... like micheal jackson colour.

[Crooklyn]

Well, apparently his post was in response to having read Morrison's story, which sounds to me like speculation...
...what?? So this was more of a gut reaction than a word from his "insider"? That's even worse. :o

[dark_b]

Yeah that makes sense. :huh:


:dry: :dry: :dry:where wrote i wrong i am?

[dark_b]

not as bright as 89..but he must have a bleeched look.we are on the same page.

[Crooklyn]

where wrote i wrong i am?
You've been around Americans on a message board for nearly 2 years, and you still can't write English?

:huh:

[Miranda Fox]

...what?? So this was more of a gut reaction than a word from his "insider"? That's even worse. :o

I just read and reviewed BATMAN #663. It made me think, what if The Joker looked similar to THIS?

That's what it says on the news page. It links to the Bermejo artwork.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You've been around Americans on a message board for nearly 2 years, and you still can't write English?

:huh:



dude..back off..no need for that.

[Crooklyn]

That's what it says on the news page. It links to the Bermejo artwork.
Are you a member on his forums? Someone should just bluntly ask him to make sure.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

he will do his usual crap.

[Miranda Fox]

Are you a member on his forums? Someone should just bluntly ask him to make sure.

I'm not.

Anybody who is want to ask?

[dark_b]

You've been around Americans on a message board for nearly 2 years, and you still can't write English?

:huh:understood i can am you. :huh:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I'm not.

Anybody who is want to ask?

nah..he will do the usual.. .."cant say, some news soon"

[Miranda Fox]

nah..he will do the usual.. .."cant say, some news soon"

Possibly.

So, the insider comment about his smile being a nod to Gwynplaine was true. That I could be okay with, because it wasn't grusome but didn't we already do this with B89? :huh:

[Muziko]

First of all, I'd like to introduce myself to the SHH board. I'm a fellow Batman Fan (I've read most of the graphic novels) and, like most people on this board, I'm a fan of the Batman Begins film. I've actually been reading these boards for quite some time now and just decided to register so I can put my "two cents" in.

In reference to the Joker in next year's "The Dark Knight"... I believe Ledger is an excellent actor, and I don't think we should use his past works as an actor to judge him on a future film (although it's all we have to base ourselves on for now) especially if this is the kind of character he has never played before. Who knows, this may be the film that puts him on the scene big time...
I DON'T agree with the "cut smile" at all. I think it would be a distraction to the audience, no matter how "realistic" it is and I'm of the opinion that whaht makes Joker... well, Joker is his dark, twisted mind. Then again, "Jett" over at B.O.F. says he can "feel" that the cut smile is the way they're going to go... so it's nothing set in stone. Besides, we never know if the people at TDK production are letting random bits of bull***** info out so people can THINK they're going one way, and then totally surprise us in the end. Maybe that'd be a waste of energy/time for them...but you never know - remember: Ra's Al Ghul himself played a clever game of deception in Batman Begins :)

[Two-Face]

Welcome to SHH Batman board, hope you enjoy your stay and well said :up:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Possibly.

So, the insider comment about his smile being a nod to Gwynplaine was true. That I could be okay with, because it wasn't grusome but didn't we already do this with B89? :huh:

maybe..i'm not a big fan of jett anyway.. i think his site is very good..i just wish he would be right in his "so called" facts before he shoots crap out of his fingers on to his site..

and i hate him hanging onto his information, only because i want to know the info the day he hears it. :D

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

First of all, I'd like to introduce myself to the SHH board. I'm a fellow Batman Fan (I've read most of the graphic novels) and, like most people on this board, I'm a fan of the Batman Begins film. I've actually been reading these boards for quite some time now and just decided to register so I can put my "two cents" in.

In reference to the Joker in next year's "The Dark Knight"... I believe Ledger is an excellent actor, and I don't think we should use his past works as an actor to judge him on a future film (although it's all we have to base ourselves on for now) especially if this is the kind of character he has never played before. Who knows, this may be the film that puts him on the scene big time...
I DON'T agree with the "cut smile" at all. I think it would be a distraction to the audience, no matter how "realistic" it is and I'm of the opinion that whaht makes Joker... well, Joker is his dark, twisted mind. Then again, "Jett" over at B.O.F. says he can "feel" that the cut smile is the way they're going to go... so it's nothing set in stone. Besides, we never know if the people at TDK production are letting random bits of bull***** info out so people can THINK they're going one way, and then totally surprise us in the end. Maybe that'd be a waste of energy/time for them...but you never know - remember: Ra's Al Ghul himself played a clever game of deception in Batman Begins :)



Welcome to the hype..please read the FAQ.

and trust me... "Stay out of trouble" :cwink:

[Arkard]

MuzicAddict is that you?

[Leon the Professional]

I just wanna chime in with some support for the self-carved smile idea, since most people in this forum are against it. So...

Self-carved smile: :up:

I've been hearing that the Joker now has a scar smile in the comics b/c he was shot in the face. Maybe this is an indication that Nolan is in fact going to go with the carved smile, and DC/WB want to pre-expose comicbook readers to the notion.

Also, to those who are against the idea, that's cool and all, but I think this is a type of thing along the lines of Spider-man having organic webshooters in the movies. Meaning only "fundamentalist" fans will be bothered by the change. And I don't mean that as an insult, just stating a fact.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

MuzicAddict is that you?



who???

[Arkard]

Oh I am from IMDB and there is this guy called MuzicAddict there ;) Muzico's nick remidned me of him.

[wikum]

If they don't go over the top with the carved smile it might work, but I wouldn't really like them to go down that route...It isn't needed.

I would prefer if they made his smile look a bit wider just using lipstick though.

I'm thinking the guy who has been drawing the new Joker in the comics recently has been tipped off on how Heath's going to look. I know it looks like the Grinch...but Ledger won't.... I hope! Bleached white skin, no eyebrows, black hair, lipstick and stitches around the sides of his mouth. I got a bad feeling on this one. Jetts been pretty bang on the money recently.

[Paste Pot Pete]

I just wanna chime in with some support for the self-carved smile idea, since most people in this forum are against it. So...

Self-carved smile: :up:

I've been hearing that the Joker now has a scar smile in the comics b/c he was shot in the face. Maybe this is an indication that Nolan is in fact going to go with the carved smile, and DC/WB want to pre-expose comicbook readers to the notion.

Also, to those who are against the idea, that's cool and all, but I think this is a type of thing along the lines of Spider-man having organic webshooters in the movies. Meaning only "fundamentalist" fans will be bothered by the change. And I don't mean that as an insult, just stating a fact.

I don't think it has to do with being a fundamentalist. It's not just a stylistic choice; even "fundamentalist fans" (most of them, at least) accepted a Scarecrow sans hat and straw. They accepted it because it didn't contradict his personality and character.

But the "carved smile" isn't just a physical change, it's a character change. The Joker has never been into self-mutilation, period. His freakish appearance is what drove him to madness, not a symptom of it.

[Miranda Fox]

I don't think it has to do with being a fundamentalist. It's not just a stylistic choice; even "fundamentalist fans" (most of them, at least) accepted a Scarecrow sans hat and straw. They accepted it because it didn't contradict his personality and character.

But the "carved smile" isn't just a physical change, it's a character change. The Joker has never been into self-mutilation, period. His freakish appearance is what drove him to madness, not a symptom of it.

You could credibly argue that having had his appearance changed so radically drove him to want to look as...different as possible. He's so warped he probably thinks a cut-smile looks good.

However, it looks from the inferences that the smile won't really be explained it'll be...there. Which, actually, I can live with.

[Leon the Professional]

You could credibly argue that having had his appearance changed so radically drove him to want to look as...different as possible. He's so warped he probably thinks a cut-smile looks good.


Exactly how I see it happening. His freakish appearance is what pushes him over the edge into madness, and once he is mad, he embraces his Joker persona and so in his mind he is improving his appearance by carving himself a smile. It is not contradictory to his character if he himself (not us the viewers) sees it as self-improvement rather than self-mutilation.

I would really love if Nolan went with this.

[Arkard]

So the ultimate level of crazy is a mute killer zombie?
Right, I am gonna go read my Denny O'Neil comics and pretend this issue never came to be. I prefer my Joker with at least a touch of originality and no cheap horror show tricks. I really thought higher of Grant Morrison until today.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I just hope we don't have a long winded explaination of how he got that way..i would prefur a sadistic one liner from the clown prince of crime..and he laughs it off.

[Miranda Fox]

I just hope we don't have a long winded explaination of how he got that way..i would prefur a sadistic one liner from the clown prince of crime..and he laughs it off.

It really sounds like they'll leave it unexplained.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

It really sounds like they'll leave it unexplained.

My dear lady..i hope your right.

i'm sick of origin peices.. there not needed.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I just hope we don't have a long winded explaination of how he got that way..i would prefur a sadistic one liner from the clown prince of crime..and he laughs it off.
"Something like that happened to me, you know... I'm not exactly sure what it was. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another...
If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

a bit long..but quite good.

[Two-Face]

"Something like that happened to me, you know... I'm not exactly sure what it was. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another...
If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

That would be great reference to TKJ if Heath said that.

[Miranda Fox]

My dear lady..i hope your right.

i'm sick of origin peices.. there not needed.

Indeed.

Actually, the idea of an unexplained cut smile is...actually not bad. The fact that we don't know how it got there - did somebody do it to him? - it's creepy and...yeah, I could dig it.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Indeed.

Actually, the idea of an unexplained cut smile is...actually not bad. The fact that we don't know how it got there - did somebody do it to him? - it's creepy and...yeah, I could dig it.

ooh... i made you warm to an idea.

:D

[Miranda Fox]

ooh... i made you warm to an idea.

:D

Heh.

I'm not 100% okay with it. Still feels like a cheap 'shock tactic' but if it looks good I'm not going to complain.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Heh.

I'm not 100% okay with it. Still feels like a cheap 'shock tactic' but if it looks good I'm not going to complain.


never said you were..thats why i said "warm to it"

[Miranda Fox]

never said you were..thats why i said "warm to it"

My bad. ;)

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

My bad. ;)



no it was totaly my fault.:o