The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[Nepenthes]

Dutch oven is when you smoke doobies with the car windows rolled up, or sitting inside a small dark closet which I personally prefer.

[itsthebatman]

We need another pic.

[Cowleen]

Dutch oven is when you smoke doobies with the car windows rolled up, or sitting inside a small dark closet which I personally prefer.


thats 'clambake' where i come from

[uchiha_itachi]

We need another pic.

i 2nd that

[D.P.]

I could see him making a huge nuclear threat, causing everyone to evacuate...only to find out later the bomb is just a dud...a prank.

a big joke/diversion from his actual agenda

[JStorm]

i 2nd that

Third, and add in the rest for good measure.


I approve this post.

[Cowleen]

I could see him making a huge nuclear threat, causing everyone to evacuate...only to find out later the bomb is just a dud...a prank.

a big joke/diversion from his actual agenda
Yes! like the toy gun that pops out a flag when you fire it.

[Nepenthes]

Or a camera that shoots bullets.

[Dirt Like Me]

Wasn't there a rumor that Nolan scouted mall locations around Chicago? And a casting side mentioning something like a mall bombing? That seems pretty panic-worthy.

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing what the Chicago Spies give us over the next few months.

[Joker]

AHAHAHA, I remember watching that a while back. Soooo glad they're making a series out of it. :up:

uh..they already DID make a series of it, called Robot Chicken...it's been on for 2 seaons, with the third in production right now...the first one is out on DVD...that clip is from the 2nd season...

[D.P.]

Yes! like the toy gun that pops out a flag when you fire it.

exactly...lol.

and as far as Nolan scouting malls, I'm hoping that info leaks soon...because I'll definitley be there...

You've got Lincoln Mall, Orland Square, Westfield, Water Tower, Evergreen, Ford City etc. etc.

I wonder which one will end up in TDK.

[Cowleen]

There is also Century Mall at Clark and Diversey. Smallish, so not a large shopping center to be out of commision for a day. I think to pay a large location (Orland, water tower, Woodfield) for their time would be prohibitive. Century on the inside is super cool because its like a highrise. Maybe 8-10 stores per floor, but several floors. Many of which connect on what feels like half-floors. If you've been there and know what I mean, let's find a way to better desribe this.

[Memphis Slim]

or how about just an actor who has a normal smile and not some fake effect, i love the realisic gritty batman of today, so lets keep it that way.



that rhymes...


http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20060912/244.leary.denis.091906.jpg

It should have been Denis Leary

[Joker]

Dennis Leary is the worst idea I've heard for Joker in a long, long time...

[Cowleen]

And thats coming from the Joker...

[Cowleen]

There is also Century Mall at Clark and Diversey. Smallish, so not a large shopping center to be out of commision for a day. I think to pay a large location (Orland, water tower, Woodfield) for their time would be prohibitive. Century on the inside is super cool because its like a highrise. Maybe 8-10 stores per floor, but several floors. Many of which connect on what feels like half-floors. If you've been there and know what I mean, let's find a way to better desribe this.
Found an Image. The entire center is open, the perfect place for a zipline?

http://www.hillmech.com/project_images/CenturyMall.jpg

[Memphis Slim]

Dennis Leary is the worst idea I've heard for Joker in a long, long time...



Why??? He looks just like him. Angular face....thin.......He's already a comedian. His humor is very dark---so I know he'd understand this role. And he's a very good actor.........

[Joker]

Yeah, he looks like the Joker if the Joker was about 15 years older than he looks. And his humor is dark in an "I'm an a**hole and f**k all of you" kind of way, not a "I think shooting a girl in the spine is hillarious" type of way. Hell, if you want to argue a comedian should play Joker, then George Carlin would be the better choice if he were younger, as his style is that at this point. But the fact is, a comedian should NOT play the Joker, a serious actor should. And Leary doesnt have the personality, style, or sophistication of the Joker at ALL.

[Cowleen]

Dennis Leary just strikes me as a coked-out, annoying neighbor. Not the 'Clown Prince of Crime'

[Memphis Slim]

Yeah, he looks like the Joker if the Joker was about 15 years older than he looks. And his humor is dark in an "I'm an a**hole and f**k all of you" kind of way, not a "I think shooting a girl in the spine is hillarious" type of way. Hell, if you want to argue a comedian should play Joker, then George Carlin would be the better choice if he were younger, as his style is that at this point. But the fact is, a comedian should NOT play the Joker, a serious actor should. And Leary doesnt have the personality, style, or sophistication of the Joker at ALL.


1. If Jack Nicolson can play the Joker (a fat one at that) Leary can. He's younger than Nicolson.

2. You know darn well Carlin looks nothing like Joker and he's too old. I'm not picking Leary just because he's a comic. I'm saying that it's a "plus" to have an actor who is one, in that role.

3. And what do you call a "serious actor". This guy has done tons of movies and he has his own "Drama" (not comedy) on FX called "Rescue Me. The guy is very good! thus he can do whatever kind of humor you need.

[Memphis Slim]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iHiSsf5-EDE&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YgaUn9wqdeI&mode=related&search=

[Steelsheen]

I just saw "The Brothers Grimm". A really entertaining performance from Heath Ledger.

yeah that was a good film, and pretty good performances from all actors involved, thats why i wasnt so up in arms when Ledger was cast because i knew he had some talent, just didnt know if he could keep up with the rest of the behemoth cast already in place.

[ghost_x]

thats 'clambake' where i come from

'Hotbox' :cwink:

[Memphis Slim]

??:huh:

[Keyser Soze]

Going a wee bit off-topic here, but I've found a possible response to people's queries about the start of the film. People have wondered if in the opening scene of "The Dark Knight", The Joker would be The Joker, or if it would be a flashback to him pre-Joker, explaining his origins. Well, here's something I picked up on Batman-On-Film, coming from William Fichtner's blog:

“I just got back from Chicago, because a director friend of mine asked a favor: to shoot the opening scene in his film, last minute. He called Saturday, and I told him, ‘you’re killing me,’ but it’s cool and I love working on cool things.”

Now, it's been established that William Fichtner is playing the Bank Manager in "The Dark Knight", and we know from the slides that the Bank Manager's scene involves the big reveal of The Joker, complete with white face and scarring (hence the Bank Manager's horror at seeing the face when the mask comes off). So if this takes place in the "opening scene" of the film, can we assume that The Joker is The Joker right from the get-go, no origin story?

[ghost_x]

It did say somewhere that the prologue is The Joker's introduction, so I'm assuming we're introduced to the Joker during the bank heist, the same time as the bank Manager.

[uchiha_itachi]

sounds good to me, specially because the joker dosent have an official origin? so i think it works

[Nepenthes]

yeah the article about the IMAX scenes mentioned that it was a prologue

Any stuff about Jokers 'origin' can only be discovered backwards. Batman getting clues, hearing stories etc.

[hannya]

The thing no-one can work out yet is why the Joker suddenly goes from no make-up in clown mask and brown hair to full make-up and green hair in what looks and sounds like exactly the same scene.
Does anyone have a solution to this yet? It shouldn't bother me and if I were more patient I wouldn't care, but it's driving me NUTS!!!

[sasquatchs]

I'm going for wig and latex skin

[Nepenthes]

It doesn't really matter. We know the important bits - he enters in a disguise, the crew don't know he's there and the bank manager gets to the see full Joker face. It will all workout somehow.

My guess? a glass of water and a wipe with his hands will remove any disguise in seconds.

[ToddIsDead]

My guess? a glass of water and a wipe with his hands will remove any disguise in seconds.
That's what I was thinking, but I thought it was a bit of a stretch that he was wearing both flesh tone makeup and brown hair dye and then just washes it all away out of nowhere. I guess we'll see.

[Nepenthes]

yeah true, but it's movieland. In an exciting scene it won't really matter.

Latex skin and wig is a good idea.

[Keyser Soze]

That's what I was thinking, but I thought it was a bit of a stretch that he was wearing both flesh tone makeup and brown hair dye and then just washes it all away out of nowhere. I guess we'll see.

Maybe he doesn't wash out all the brown hair dye out of nowhere? Perhaps when he pulls off his mask, he shakes up his hair to reveal some of the green underneath the sloppy brown dye-job, creating the kind of puffy, Romero-tone look we got in that blurry shot.

[hannya]

It doesn't really matter.

Neither do movies. Missing the point.

[hannya]

Maybe he doesn't wash out all the brown hair dye out of nowhere? Perhaps when he pulls off his mask, he shakes up his hair to reveal some of the green underneath the sloppy brown dye-job, creating the kind of puffy, Romero-tone look we got in that blurry shot.

I like this. Makes a lot of sense.
The make-up? Still can't figure that out. Mask off, remove make-up, mask on again, reveal face to Fichtner? Strange.

[Keyser Soze]

I like this. Makes a lot of sense.
The make-up? Still can't figure that out. Mask off, remove make-up, mask on again, reveal face to Fichtner? Strange.

BANK MANAGER
You idiot. What makes you think the guy who hired you isn't going to kill you, too?

The thug STOPS. Crouches over him. In the distance: SIRENS.

GENTLE VOICE:
Call it a hunch.

(Grabbing a pitcher of water off the table) The man PULLS off his MASK (and tosses the water over himself, completing the effect by smearing his face and shaking up his hair). The Bank Manager GASPS, horrified at the face staring back at him.

GENTLE VOICE (CONT'D)
It's rude to stare.

EDIT: Ooooooooooooooor....possibly he's only put make-up on the parts he knew would be covered by the mask? So he has flesh-tone makeup on his neck and around the sides of his face, but underneath the mask he's just left the skin white?

[hannya]

(Grabbing a pitcher of water off the table) The man PULLS off his MASK (and tosses the water over himself, completing the effect by smearing his face and shaking up his hair).


Hmmm... yes, or he just drags his hands down his face, smearing off the make-up. I'm not sure I can see a pitcher of water just handily sitting nearby. It seems that the Joker has planned this reveal to an extent, so it would have to be quick and easy to do.
And yet.... Why is the skin around his eyes clearly fleshtone under the mask, and very clearly "panda" black when he takes off the mask? That's not so easily doable. I'm hoping I'm wrong but I have a hunch this scene is going to have some niggly continuity issues...

[Keyser Soze]

Hmmm... yes, or he just drags his hands down his face, smearing off the make-up. I'm not sure I can see a pitcher of water just handily sitting nearby. It seems that the Joker has planned this reveal to an extent, so it would have to be quick and easy to do.
And yet.... Why is the skin around his eyes clearly fleshtone under the mask, and very clearly "panda" black when he takes off the mask? That's not so easily doable. I'm hoping I'm wrong but I have a hunch this scene is going to have some niggly continuity issues...

What about the other possible explanation I added in on the edit? I actually think I like that one more than the "pitcher of water" idea.

As for removing the flesh-tone to expose the black around his eyes.....hmmm, that's a tougher one to get around. I think the "niggly continuity issue" thing is the way it's going to turn out.

[breyfogle_rules]

1. If Jack Nicolson can play the Joker (a fat one at that) Leary can. He's younger than Nicolson.

2. You know darn well Carlin looks nothing like Joker and he's too old. I'm not picking Leary just because he's a comic. I'm saying that it's a "plus" to have an actor who is one, in that role.

3. And what do you call a "serious actor". This guy has done tons of movies and he has his own "Drama" (not comedy) on FX called "Rescue Me. The guy is very good! thus he can do whatever kind of humor you need.

I'm feeling you Slim. Odd no one mentioned Leary before.

[hannya]

What about the other possible explanation I added in on the edit? I actually think I like that one more than the "pitcher of water" idea.

As for removing the flesh-tone to expose the black around his eyes.....hmmm, that's a tougher one to get around. I think the "niggly continuity issue" thing is the way it's going to turn out.

Sorry didn't see edit first time. Yes that seems about right. The panda eyes continuity thing is going to bother about 0.0001% of the audience but that fraction includes me, sadly. I must 1) get out more and 2) try to see the woods for the trees...

[Nepenthes]

Neither do movies. Missing the point.

It doesn't matter in the context of the movie. You just make it happen. Joker sees a glass of water, takes off mask, splash, quick two-handed swipe and Boo! Or he takes off mask, evil grin and then tears away latex and wig together.

Apart from the details all the important aspects of the scene are clear. It's gonna rock.

[breyfogle_rules]

Maybe he doesn't wash out all the brown hair dye out of nowhere? Perhaps when he pulls off his mask, he shakes up his hair to reveal some of the green underneath the sloppy brown dye-job, creating the kind of puffy, Romero-tone look we got in that blurry shot.

and then says "don't hate me because I'm beautiful" like Kelly LeBrock in that Pantene commercial.

[hannya]

It doesn't matter in the context of the movie. You just make it happen. Joker sees a glass of water, takes off mask, splash, quick two-handed swipe and Boo! Or he takes off mask, evil grin and then tears away latex and wig together.

Apart from the details all the important aspects of the scene are clear. It's gonna rock.

The latex idea would be fabulous if they do it right: Fichtner's character is going to be even more freaked out by a guy who removes a mask, tears off fake skin and reveals an even weirder visage underneath...

[breyfogle_rules]

I always say, you never really know a man until you peel the skin off his face piece by piece.

[Bandyt]

I don't think the Laughing Gas is going to make an appearance guys, I just...can't see them reusing a gas thing. I mean...you can only have so much Gas...

[breyfogle_rules]

Exactly. Even a bomb feels a bit hackneyed to me. Too similiar to the microwave emitter. It's got to be something as artful as it is lethal. A bomb is way too cliche and old hat for Mr. J, methinks.

[Klattimus_Darby]

I don't think the Laughing Gas is going to make an appearance guys, I just...can't see them reusing a gas thing. I mean...you can only have so much Gas...

On the contrary, while it may seem a little redundant, it makes complete sense that they would use the formula for the fear gas as a base by which to create the laughing gas. A very logical extension and great tie in to the first movie as far as I'm concerned. It keeps the events of the first movie not only important, but genuinely relevant to the events of the second movie.

[breyfogle_rules]

On the contrary, while it may seem a little redundant, it makes complete sense that they would use the formula for the fear gas as a base by which to create the laughing gas. A very logical extension and great tie in to the first movie as far as I'm concerned. It keeps the events of the first movie not only important, but genuinely relevant to the events of the second movie.

Eeh. I'm not sure. That would mean that the blue flower in weaponized form is the device used by Ras, Scarecrow and Joker. I want to see him with his own thing going on.

[Nepenthes]

Scarecrow can help make a Joker Venom without using the flower or fear gas.

[Klattimus_Darby]

Dutch oven is when you smoke doobies with the car windows rolled up, or sitting inside a small dark closet which I personally prefer.

No, that's a hotbox

[breyfogle_rules]

Yes. A liquid venom, smilex style. Its not a gas. Its not a bomb. And it can be implemented by bizarre means...a dart, perhaps.
Or maybe a lapel flower.

[Klattimus_Darby]

Scarecrow can help make a Joker Venom without using the flower or fear gas.

Perhaps, but I'd just as soon have the Joker get his venom/gas without Crane at all if the Joker stuff doesn't have its origins in the fear gas of Begins... Eh, I guess I could go either way.

[D.P.]

wait, so we are to assume that jokers goons betrayed him off screen and batman caused the zipline accident, PRIOR to the prologue?

Since he's already a full fledged joker...So is he blending in amongst his former crew only to get revenge against them? This is wild confusing.

[SpideyFanGP]

It is clear that Nolan has gone a darker route with this joker......I personally have no issues at all with HOW the joker looks....however...I can't help but notice that his smile seems to be cut into his face with some sort of knife....which is completely different from all the versions of the comics that I have heard and of course batman 89' in which he gets his smile and his pale skin from being dumped into a tub of acid....so does ne one think nolan will acknowledge this, or will he just go a completely different route, and is ne one else concerned with this route

[Hunter Rider]

Ive lost count of how many times this thread has been merged

[itsthebatman]

Ive lost count of how many times this thread has been merged
3,169

[Nepenthes]

It is clear that Nolan has gone a darker route with this joker......I personally have no issues at all with HOW the joker looks....however...I can't help but notice that his smile seems to be cut into his face with some sort of knife....which is completely different from all the versions of the comics that I have heard and of course batman 89' in which he gets his smile and his pale skin from being dumped into a tub of acid....so does ne one think nolan will acknowledge this, or will he just go a completely different route, and is no one else concerned with this route

You obviously weren't here a few weeks ago. A few people were slightly concerned, yeah

Sanctuary for those who hate the Joker the pic (http://%22http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=273416%22)

[breyfogle_rules]

It is clear that Nolan has gone a darker route with this joker......I personally have no issues at all with HOW the joker looks....however...I can't help but notice that his smile seems to be cut into his face with some sort of knife....which is completely different from all the versions of the comics that I have heard and of course batman 89' in which he gets his smile and his pale skin from being dumped into a tub of acid....so does ne one think nolan will acknowledge this, or will he just go a completely different route, and is ne one else concerned with this route

This idea has percolated under much duress in this forum.
The concensus (relying on all things considered) seems to be that after Batman snaps Joker's zip line early in the film, it whips back and gashes ONE side of his face.
Joker then cuts the other side of his mouth to match the existing scar.
You will notice from the official pic that his left cheek is mangled and horrific, while his right cheek is a perfectly sliced clown smile.

[Steelsheen]

Ive lost count of how many times this thread has been merged

and there will be more to be merged in the future!

AHAHAHAHAhHAHAHAHAhahahAHAhAHAhAHAhAhAhAhAha :joker:

[Bandyt]

This thread is losing steam! We need some more news to get it's juices flowing!...I need some new analogies...

[breyfogle_rules]

I'm all for it. I pretty much used to live here. Now, its gone the way of the do-do I'm afraid. Soon though. Soon "The Man Who Laughs" thread will laugh again. Hopefully after tomorrow.

[itsthebatman]

Something will happen. It always does.
In the meantime...
https://www.dynamicforces.com/images/BatmanDarkDetective1.jpg
Look at that chin.

[Noir]

Something will happen. It always does.
In the meantime...
https://www.dynamicforces.com/images/BatmanDarkDetective1.jpg
Look at that chin.
He's a ballchinian.

[BatJew]

He's a ballchinian.
Lol, yeah. That guy totally over did the chin, and to a lesser extent the nose...

[Mike_D202]

Lmao

[Keyser Soze]

https://www.dynamicforces.com/images/BatmanDarkDetective1.jpg

Wasn't this George W. Bush's re-election campaign slogan?

[Untilteld]

Has anyone seen this yet? I read the actual book Arkham Asylum; a serious house on serious earth and this is pretty cool..

http://www.miguelmesas.com/fanfilms/PlayARKHAMsubtitled.htm

[BatJew]

Wasn't this George W. Bush's re-election campaign slogan?
Har har har :dry: :whatever:

[Saint]

Has anyone seen this yet? I read the actual book Arkham Asylum; a serious house on serious earth and this is pretty cool..

http://www.miguelmesas.com/fanfilms/PlayARKHAMsubtitled.htm

That's cooler than God himself.

[Joker]

https://www.dynamicforces.com/images/BatmanDarkDetective1.jpg

Wasn't this George W. Bush's re-election campaign slogan?

might have been..but Puff Daddy did have his own "Vote Or Die" campaign...sadly, he forgot to vote and was forced to start the killings with himself...now,there's a P. Diddy robot that has taken his place, as a world without a Diddy would be doomed :o

[StorminNorman]

I would love for Nolan to do an "Arkham Asylum" inspired film after this trilogy. Harvey and Joker would be already be established. The minor villains can be changed or added in as seen fit. It would kick all sorts of ass.

[Dirt Like Me]

Lol, yeah. That guy totally over did the chin, and to a lesser extent the nose...

"That guy" did some of the best Joker artwork ever in the 70s. Dark Detective wasn't quite as good as that work, but I think that even a poor (by his standards) Marshall Rogers' depiction of the Joker beats most other artists. He was a great one.

[Cowleen]

Has anyone seen this yet? I read the actual book Arkham Asylum; a serious house on serious earth and this is pretty cool..

http://www.miguelmesas.com/fanfilms/PlayARKHAMsubtitled.htm


That was amazing. I also just realized Danny Elfman wrote the score used in the fanfilm. Was that B89? I loved the music he did for nightmare before christmas. Here's hoping he dhows up for any Batman in the future.

[Bandyt]

That looked top-budget and it was just a fan-film. How farking excellent! Is it just a trailer or did they do the whole book. I hired out the Arkham Asylum Graphic Novel and it looks exactly like that, it's a masterpiece and so is this fanfilm...They even used the same font for the Credits at the end. Is there a full film of this? Or is this it?

[breyfogle_rules]

Dave McKean is a great artist. Grant Morrison...meh. Anyone else feel like Batman went crazy a little too quickly in Arkham? From his first encounter with Joker out in front of the asylum Bats seems doubtful of himself and weak.
In fact, his very first line in the story is him apologizing to Gordon for being late. That's not batman to me.
I felt like that book was mostly for kids.

[regwec]

Anything new?

[sasquatchs]

Enjoy sunny Turkey? Nothing on the Joker front. Small conference with Bale, Nolan, maybe others today, filming starting with a vengence now, Bat Signal set built on carpark roof

[itsthebatman]

Anything new?
Yo! Good to see you. There's possibly a press conference later today. Other than that....
http://www.peoplesrepublicofdis.co.uk/albums/album16/tumbleweed.sized.jpeg

[Two-Face]

Enjoy sunny Turkey? Nothing on the Joker front. Small conference with Bale, Nolan, maybe others today, filming starting with a vengence now, Bat Signal set built on carpark roof

Bat Signal eh?? someone should take picture of it!

[regwec]

Very much, thank you.

Bah. I was hoping for a raft of spy pics etc to bid me a welcome return. Ah well.

[Keyser Soze]

Very much, thank you.

Bah. I was hoping for a raft of spy pics etc to bid me a welcome return. Ah well.

Glad you enjoyed Turkey. I had relatives who went there a few years back, and they seemed to like it.

No spy pics, sorry. But apparently, with the help of Mr Thau, Nolan is going to make CGI villains rule the world scene.

[StorminNorman]

Dave McKean is a great artist. Grant Morrison...meh. Anyone else feel like Batman went crazy a little too quickly in Arkham? From his first encounter with Joker out in front of the asylum Bats seems doubtful of himself and weak.
In fact, his very first line in the story is him apologizing to Gordon for being late. That's not batman to me.
I felt like that book was mostly for kids.

:dry:

[Keyser Soze]

I would love for Nolan to do an "Arkham Asylum" inspired film after this trilogy. Harvey and Joker would be already be established. The minor villains can be changed or added in as seen fit. It would kick all sorts of ass.

I think David Lynch would be the perfect director to do an Arkham Asylum film. Of course, Lynch would probably never do a superhero film, but I may as well throw that thought out there...

[Infinity9999x]

I think David Lynch would be the perfect director to do an Arkham Asylum film. Of course, Lynch would probably never do a superhero film, but I may as well throw that thought out there...

Edit, nevermind, for a second I thought you said Steven Lynch, and I was a bit confused.

[Keyser Soze]

Edit, nevermind, for a second I thought you said Steven Lynch, and I was a bit confused.

:dry:

[Infinity9999x]

:dry:

Yes I know, but it probably would be an interesting movie if he directed. Lots of songs with unusual lyrics anyways.

[hannya]

That was amazing. I also just realized Danny Elfman wrote the score used in the fanfilm. Was that B89? I loved the music he did for nightmare before christmas. Here's hoping he dhows up for any Batman in the future.

Bloody jesus hell christ on a bike! Miguel Mesas is a genius! Visit his website and check out the other fan "trailers", the one for Slaine rocks major ass!
I'm totally blown away. I will never look at TDK the same again...:csad:

[Antonello Blueberry]

Bloody jesus hell christ on a bike! Miguel Mesas is a genius! Visit his website and check out the other fan "trailers", the one for Slaine rocks major ass!

I totally agree. I would love to see some stuff from the movie he's working on.

[regwec]

Has anyone read the most recent Detective Comics?

It features some great characterisation of The Joker, who uses a cunning disguise, fights like a bastard, and guns down a former JLAer! Must read issue!

[itsthebatman]

It got good feedback so far alright. Dini still writing?

[regwec]

Yes. He really should write a movie script at some point. His understanding of what makes the whole Batman-machine work seems to be instinctive.

[itsthebatman]

Yes. He really should write a movie script at some point. His understanding of what makes the whole Batman-machine work seems to be instinctive.
*strokes chin*
I just might have to check it out and stop doing the whole TPB thing. I might indeed.
Maybe write the fourth movie? If Dick were in it by then, he could write a pretty good Robin, I'd wager.

[regwec]

It's the first of a two-parter, so it's definately worth hopping on board the periodical wagon now.

Dini is probably the only person who could script Robin well. He has a natural skill for molding awkward elements into satisfactory stories. His reinvention of Mr Freeze is a case in point.

[Keyser Soze]

Oh yes, Dini's work on Detective Comics has been astounding!

Now, it has been a LONG time since I've followed a monthly title. That just isn't me. Usually I'll just pick up a mini-series, or a TPB, or individual issues of a comic if a character I like pops up. This trend led me to buying Detective Comics #826, "Slayride" featuring The Joker.

And I was just blown away.

I have been quite vocal in my cynicism about today's comic industry. I hate the current trend that's obsessed with constant back-to-back "epic arcs", with less interest being placed on great stand-alone stories as a result. So when I read Detective #826, it was like a breath of fresh air. Top-notch characterisation of both The Joker and Robin, and yes, an intense, dramatic story that - gasp! - was actually contained in a single issue!

And then I did some reading up on Dini's run, and discovered it was getting huge levels of praise. So, I decided to go back and get some other Dini issues - finding back-issues of Detective Comics #822, #823, #824 and #828. And I loved all of them. Dini's really taken Batman back to basics, but with great new touches as well. In particular, I love what he's done with The Riddler. You could argue that, changing from a second-rate supervillain to a reformed private investigator - The Riddler is more interesting than he's been in a looooong time. I loved what I read so much, I have decided to make this a must-buy monthly purchase.

And so I started with this week's #833. And what an issue! Possibly Dini's best yet, it's been a long time since a comic's ending was so genuinely shocking. I really can't wait to see how this is concluded! I'm telling all my Marvel-fan friends that they need to get this comic, as this will get them hooked.

[Wolfman]

http://www.miguelmesas.com/fanfilms/PlayARKHAMsubtitled.htm

That is fcking cool. If only we would get a movie like that... reminds me of Pan's Labyrinth. Damn you Nolan and your "grounded to realism" approach!!!

[itsthebatman]

It's the first of a two-parter, so it's definately worth hopping on board the periodical wagon now.

Dini is probably the only person who could script Robin well. He has a natural skill for molding awkward elements into satisfactory stories. His reinvention of Mr Freeze is a case in point.
Mucho gracias, senor. I shall check it out and report back.

[SpiderB]

Do you guys actually want The Joker to look/talk like he does in that fan film??? First of all, it proves that the exaggerated features of the comic book Joker would look ridiculous in live action.

And second, I don't think I could listen to that voice for more than five minutes without blowing my brains out. That high-pitched "witch" voice that people seem to love for The Joker just does not work for me. I think he's much scarier with a low or at least average voice tone.

That's one thing Nicholson's Joker showed. The Joker is not an evil clown. He's a grown man, a sadistic criminal with the face of a clown. That's why he's so creepy when he gets dead serious (like he does in a few of the scenes in '89). He's not a constantly cackling jester. When you reduce him to that, he's not scary or believably threatening at all.

So with Ledger's naturally deep voice, and the way he's described his portrayal of the character, it sounds to me like they're on the right track.

[StorminNorman]

Now I am Normally not the first to bust Jett's chops on things - but how is this news worthy?

I was told by someone "I know who knows" (really, I promise!) that according to the TDK script, The Joker "...is very, very cruel to The Batman, the people of Gotham, and the Mafia. Should be fun!" Yes is should! Can't wait...

[Katsuro]

Now I am Normally not the first to bust Jett's chops on things - but how is this news worthy?

I thought the same thing, and chuckled. "Wow, so the Joker's going to be mean, eh?"

I guess the only interesting thing is the part about the mob, meaning he'll be hassling the mob, as well as Batman and the people of Gotham. Of course, that's something most of us kinda guessed.

[ghost_x]

Many actually believe Joker would give rather than steal candy from babies

[Katsuro]

Many actually believe Joker would give rather than steal candy from babies

He would. And it would be poison candy.

[StorminNorman]

He would. And it would be poison candy.

Hey man, thats not nice. In fact thats mean. The Sons of Batman may give you a stern talking to young man. :cmad:

[ghost_x]

He would. And it would be poison candy.

It would have to taste good though

[hannya]

Hey man, thats not nice. In fact thats mean. The Sons of Batman may give you a stern talking to young man. :cmad:

Remember everybody, the thought police are watching. Hand in your brains at the door.

[Bandyt]

I can't say I see many babies eating candy these days. I think it's considered a choking hazard. Hey! The candy needn't be poisoned! He can just watch the babies choke on it!

[Iron Man's Dad]

Fortunately a local celebrity was on hand to offer his opinion on the Paris Hilton saga.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n28/MikeD202/cryingparis.jpg

I'm sorry all if this has been posted (I went back a few pages and didn't see it), but I found it in the community thread and thought it was hysterical and totally the Joker.

I actually hear the TV series Joker theme when I look at this picture.

I hope everyone gets a chuckle from this :yay:.

My fun $.02.

IMD

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Fortunately a local celebrity was on hand to offer his opinion on the Paris Hilton saga.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n28/MikeD202/cryingparis.jpg

I'm sorry all if this has been posted (I went back a few pages and didn't see it), but I found it in the community thread and thought it was hysterical and totally the Joker.

I actually hear the TV series Joker theme when I look at this picture.

I hope everyone gets a chuckle from this :yay:.

My fun $.02.

IMD



Thats brilliant.

[regwec]

Paris Hilton for Harley Quinn.

[Mike_D202]

Hey man, thats not nice. In fact thats mean. The Sons of Batman may give you a stern talking to young man. :cmad:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3126/prairiedogyb66uv4.gif

[Bandyt]

Paris Hilton for Harley Quinn.

Maybe if Harley Quinn ends up getting a Rail-Road Spike thrown through her head...

[ghost_x]

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3126/prairiedogyb66uv4.gif

Any excuse to use this gif is absolutely fine

[Bandyt]

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3126/prairiedogyb66uv4.gif


I have never seen this before, haha, this is excellent.

[mjbull23]

Thanks for the update Jett. Guy's we now know that Joker is going to be a very bad individual. :dry:

[hannya]

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3126/prairiedogyb66uv4.gif

magnificent. go gopher!

[Keyser Soze]

Many actually believe Joker would give rather than steal candy from babies

I dunno...we have had a fair share of people saying that The Joker is a funny character who isn't scary or threatening or menacing in any way.

[Bandyt]

I dunno...we have had a fair share of people saying that The Joker is a funny character who isn't scary or threatening or menacing in any way.

And those people know sweet F*** All.

[Bond]

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3126/prairiedogyb66uv4.gif
HAHAHAHAHA!

Never seen that one before. Brilliant!

[ghost_x]

I dunno...we have had a fair share of people saying that The Joker is a funny character who isn't scary or threatening or menacing in any way.

Take the polar opposite of that, and we're slightly closer to the Joker, the idea is that he isn't funny, and he's humour is so twisted that only himself finds it amusing.

[sasquatchs]

In B89 Joker's transformation seemed like more of a way to cope than anything else. In the Bruce "lets get nuts scene", you can see he doesn't like it when he loses control. It felt like a fake facade of lunacy rather than anything really sinister. I hope Ledger is more of a truly perverse character, aware of himself, but twisted by nature.

[ghost_x]

I agree, that's what was so pivotal about the 'mirror' scene.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

I hope Ledger is more of a truly perverse character, aware of himself, but twisted by nature.A bit like John Doe in Se7en? It would be awesome. And I like the IMAX clown mask picture we saw around the net. I'm getting into the Joker hype more and more everyday, I hope nobody put his expectations too high to not be disapointed comparing to BB. Because both rule. Even if TDK isn't out yet. It rule because it is marketed enough. Not too much, not too kiddy, it's perfect!

[SpiderB]

In B89 Joker's transformation seemed like more of a way to cope than anything else. In the Bruce "lets get nuts scene", you can see he doesn't like it when he loses control. It felt like a fake facade of lunacy rather than anything really sinister.

I think the fact that he sometimes gets dead serious when he's angry makes him all the more scary.

The idea that he's laughing and acting clownish, then all the sudden sticks a gun in your face and drops the clown act, and his voice and demeanor turn ice cold is extremely creepy to me. That's why I've always loved the "Let's get nuts" scene in '89. His reaction to Bruce was perfect there. You instantly see that, no matter how crazy and wild this guy appears to be, underneath he is still a sadistic criminal and killer, totally controlled and serious about his business.

That sort of "turn on a dime" personality is what makes him believably scary and threatening. If he's just acting like a cackling loon constantly, it's too predictable and makes him come off more like a cartoon character.

[sasquatchs]

I think the fact that he sometimes gets dead serious when he's angry makes him all the more scary.

The idea that he's laughing and acting clownish, then all the sudden sticks a gun in your face and drops the clown act, and his voice and demeanor turn ice cold is extremely creepy to me. That's why I've always loved the "Let's get nuts" scene in '89. His reaction to Bruce was perfect there. You instantly see that, no matter how crazy and wild this guy appears to be, underneath he is still a sadistic criminal and killer, totally controlled and serious about his business.

That sort of "turn on a dime" personality is what makes him believably scary and threatening. If he's just acting like a cackling loon constantly, it's too predictable and makes him come off more like a cartoon character.

Good post. Don't get me wrong, I really liked Nicholsons performance, and I definitely want the "turn on a dime" unpredictable behaviour from Ledger, and method behind his madness. I just didn't think his disfigurement warranted the artificial, wacky Joker persona he created, it felt a little forced. I guess I'm just looking for a more satisfying motivation for his behaviour this time. His origin not being important in TDK has me hopeful.

[TheMadHatter]

i hope its rachel dawes.....i hate that *****

[ghost_x]

No, you hate Katie Holmes as Dawes, I'm sure Gylenhall will make a less annoying character out of her

[TheMadHatter]

ya but shes not that attractive....at least katie had that goin for her

[ghost_x]

http://www.filmweb.no/bilder/multimedia/archive/00098/Maggie_Gyllenhaal_i__98612o.jpg

I wouldn't say no to it

[Crook]

She has her pretty and ugly moments. Very inconsistent imo. :o

[ghost_x]

To be perfectly honest, her looks aren't a priority for me at all for TDK, she's playing a D.A, not your average superhero girlfriend. I can picture her in a suit, and that's all that matters.

[SpiderB]

Good post. Don't get me wrong, I really liked Nicholsons performance, and I definitely want the "turn on a dime" unpredictable behaviour from Ledger, and method behind his madness. I just didn't think his disfigurement warranted the artificial, wacky Joker persona he created, it felt a little forced. I guess I'm just looking for a more satisfying motivation for his behaviour this time. His origin not being important in TDK has me hopeful.

Okay, I get what you're saying now. Unfortunately, if this whole "tragic past" thing does indeed have relevance to his story in the film, what we get might feel even more forced than the '89 version. Now, I normally like my villains to have humble or sympathetic beginnings, but Joker is one exception for me. I prefer him to be criminal to the bone, with no real dramatic origin to speak of. Hence why the whole chemical bath/failed comedian thing always kind of ruined him for me.

[Nepenthes]

Attention. This link. Here. Joker stories.

http://members.tripod.com/agent0x7/jokerarcs1.html

[jgiant]

Attention. This link. Here. Joker stories.

http://members.tripod.com/agent0x7/jokerarcs1.html
Yea ive been to that website, great stuff. Good link Nepenthes, for anyone new to the joker or wants to get informed about him this is a great site. Ohh and i hope Lucious dies...:hyper:

[BubbaGump]

Attention. This link. Here. Joker stories.

http://members.tripod.com/agent0x7/jokerarcs1.html

Yummy. :yay: That's a great website. They should put scans from his Detective run with Dini.

[sasquatchs]

Okay, I get what you're saying now. Unfortunately, if this whole "tragic past" thing does indeed have relevance to his story in the film, what we get might feel even more forced than the '89 version. Now, I normally like my villains to have humble or sympathetic beginnings, but Joker is one exception for me. I prefer him to be criminal to the bone, with no real dramatic origin to speak of. Hence why the whole chemical bath/failed comedian thing always kind of ruined him for me.

You read my mind, his origin just feels bolted on after the fact, not necessary or particularly important to the character, and not really his origin at all. Better to have him born without restraint or morality than for one unhappy incident to create him.

Not sure how this tragic past stuff fits in, whether it's just marketing or not. MF said Joker has no origin to speak of, only a sequence showing things he despises. He's Joker when we meet him, but his battles with Batman escalate his behaviour. I really want that to be why he turns his attention to Gotham, to undermine Batman through spite and chaos.

[The Joker]

Attention. This link. Here. Joker stories.

http://members.tripod.com/agent0x7/jokerarcs1.html

Oooooh, I'm saving that :up:

[Nepenthes]

actually here's the link i meant to post. it has the other sections

http://agent0x7.tripod.com/joker1.html

[The Guard]

In BATMAN, The Joker is driven insane by the chemical bath. That's why he is zany and wacky. It's not just a cover, it's part of Jack's latent personality coming to the forefront. The combination of the chemicals and the shock of what it does to his appearance drives an already borerline psycho completely insane.

[Bandyt]

The Smile was a result of reconstructive surgery in B89, wasn't it?

[Darkest Knight]

In BATMAN, The Joker is driven insane by the chemical bath. That's why he is zany and wacky. It's not just a cover, it's part of Jack's latent personality coming to the forefront. The combination of the chemicals and the shock of what it does to his appearance drives an already borerline psycho completely insane.
Thanks Guard. Although we have known this for 18 years, bro.

:dry:

[SpiderB]

The Smile was a result of reconstructive surgery in B89, wasn't it?

It was, Jack gets shot through the face right before he falls in the chemicals. Strangely, I never made the connection between that and his eventual "joker smile" until a few years ago :dry:

Of course, there exists a huge continuity problem there when the Joker's victims start turning up with the EXACT same smile simply from being poisoned with the chemicals.

[Matchbox]

It was, Jack gets shot through the face right before he falls in the chemicals. Strangely, I never made the connection between that and his eventual "joker smile" until a few years ago :dry:

Of course, there exists a huge continuity problem there when the Joker's victims start turning up with the EXACT same smile simply from being poisoned with the chemicals.

Oddly enough, I too never realized The Joker's smile was a result of surgery to repair the gunshot wound to his face until a few years ago. Very good point on the continuity issue. Never thought of that, to tell you the truth.

P.S. Awesome avatar, man.

-Matchbox

[SpiderB]

Thanks:up:

I like my Zelda old school.

[Matchbox]

I like my Zelda any school. :woot:

[drakefinx2604]

Just a thought. I was watching The Untouchables and one of the mobsters really reminded me of someone. Of course!!! The Joker!!! Did anyone else think that Billy Drago (Nitty) would've made the perfect Joker?!? Sure he may be old and all, but check out this pic from the Untouchables!

http://www.psychotronicvideo.com/wow/latest/images/raw/cast_drago.jpg

And this other one! (He's obviously way too old now.)

http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue369/charmed3.jpg

[Matchbox]

As far as the look goes, I think he could have made an excellent Joker. He just oozes creepy. :woot:

-Matchbox

[Stringer]

He was creepy in the Untouchables

[Bandyt]

He played a Fear demon in charmed, a demon who can determine and use peoples fears to ultimately kill them.

[Ender Durden]

i dont think his voice would go over well?

[Rezzo]

Vincent Cassel has always struck me as The Joker

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/ElRezzo/Cassel.jpg

[Salemdog]

I don't have a picture of him but the actor who played a young Jack Napier in the 89 film (Hugo Blick) always struck me that way in the scene in the alley. He was pure Joker without makeup. Too bad he's too old now. Hell...I can't even remember him doing anything else.

If you use this ( Batman 401 ) on altavista.com its usually the thrid pic...too bad that's it.

[strikezone89]

Vincent Cassel has always struck me as The Joker

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/ElRezzo/Cassel.jpg
what films has he been in recently?

[chitownballer]

what films has he been in recently?

The most recent one I remember seeing him in was oceans 12

[Rezzo]

what films has he been in recently?

He hasn´t appeared in too many American movies but he´s been in movies such as The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc (Gilles de Rais), Shrek (Monsieur Hood) Ocean´s Twelve (François "The Nightfox" Toulour), Derailed (Philippe LaRoche), Ocean´s Thirteen (François "The Nightfox" Toulour)

[Bandyt]

Le Francais Joker? Hmmm.

[ghost_x]

I always remembered Cassell from Guest House Paradiso

[MechaOrga]

I saw Ocean's 13 last night(not too funny BTW)....


Vincent cassel is in that one too. He is pure Joker as far as the looks department goes. It's almost creepy.

My wife and I turned to each other and said boy would he be a great Joker(too bad he can't really drop his accent)

[itsthebatman]

Brotherhood of the Wolf. Great French film from few years ago, also with topless Monica Bellucci. Everybody wins.

[MechaOrga]

Brotherhood of the Wolf. Great French film from few years ago, also with topless Monica Bellucci. Everybody wins.

Very good call. Great fun movie( the lead of the film is triple H's long los brother i swear to god!), with henson Productions doing the monster.

Bulluci and cassel are married in real life if I'm not mistaken.

I would have preferred Cassel over Bettany in the looks department(even over Eccleston(sp?)if the part were based only on looks, however i"m really excited abut Ledger.

[Rezzo]

Bellucci and Cassel are married in real life if I'm not mistaken.

You are not mistaken

[ghost_x]

Nothing beats a good frollick in bed like Irreversible

[itsthebatman]

Very good call. Great fun movie( the lead of the film is triple H's long los brother i swear to god!), with henson Productions doing the monster.

Bulluci and cassel are married in real life if I'm not mistaken.

I would have preferred Cassel over Bettany in the looks department(even over Eccleston(sp?)if the part were based only on looks, however i"m really excited abut Ledger.
You and me both.

[Sam18]

You are not mistaken

No wonder he's got that ***** eating grin on his face.

[The Guard]

Thanks Guard. Although we have known this for 18 years, bro.

Obviously someone didn't, because they were talking about it being The Joker's "coping mechanism".

[raybia]

I think this guy would have been an excellent Joker if he hadn't been excellent as other well known character.


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6145/bbbale4ku.jpg

[ghost_x]

It's the fuzzy Bale Joker

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2082/jokerbalemz4.jpg

[Katsuro]

Bale really would've been a great Joker. I was watching American Psycho the other day, and in some scenes you could just see it.

[raybia]

Bale really would've been a great Joker. I was watching American Psycho the other day, and in some scenes you could just see it.

Hey Eddie plays multiple characters, why not Bale? :woot:

[TheBat812]

Bale really would've been a great Joker. I was watching American Psycho the other day, and in some scenes you could just see it.
"Did you know Ted Bundy's first dog, a collie, was named Lassie? Had you heard this?"

"I like to dissect girls, did you know I'm utterly insane?"

He would have made a great Joker. :woot:

But he makes a better Batman.

[ghost_x]

"Did you know Ted Bundy's first dog, a collie, was named Lassie? Had you heard this?"

"I like to dissect girls, did you know I'm utterly insane?"

He would have made a great Joker. :woot:

But he makes a better Batman.

He makes an even better Bateman

[Bandyt]

Hey Eddie plays multiple characters, why not Bale? :woot:
But then Bale would have to play a character in a Fat-suit. Obese Joker, Huzzah!

[itsthebatman]

He could have played Dent, as well. Didn't someone (maybe at CHUD) suggest him for Dent way back before anyone was cast? With Jason Patric as Bruce, as I recall.

[ghost_x]

Bale like Depp could play anyone, hell even Depp's playing a woman soon

[itsthebatman]

Could Bale play Malcom X? I think not.

[Sam18]

Could Bale play Malcom X? I think not.


He was a total ****** in Harsh Times.

[raybia]

Could Bale play Malcom X? I think not.

Here is a old picture he took when he performed his screen test which of course he lost out to Denzel.

http://www.gothamgazette.com/graphics/malcolm_x.jpg



Not very convincing to me.

[itsthebatman]

He was a total ****** in Harsh Times.
Oh, right. I had no idea what you were on about there for a sec.
Here is a old picture he took when he performed his screen test which of course he lost out to Denzel.

http://www.gothamgazette.com/graphics/malcolm_x.jpg



Not very convincing to me.
Very poor. I expect better.

[Bandyt]

That pic reminds me of Harvey Dent from B89.

[DieSmiling]

This is a random TDK Joker question, but does anyone know if Ledger is signed for two movies or just one?

[Rezzo]

This is a random TDK Joker question, but does anyone know if Ledger is signed for two movies or just one?

Christian Bale, Gary Oldman and Michael Caine are the only ones I know for sure that are contracted for three films

[dark_b]

This is a random TDK Joker question, but does anyone know if Ledger is signed for two movies or just one?
1.joker wont die in TDK
2.they will not replace heath

:cwink:

[Mister J]

I'd imagine the studio has an option written into the contract. They wouldn't paint themselves into a corner regarding having to re-sign Ledger for the third movie ...unless they planned on offing him from the start (:down).

[Noir]

1.joker wont die in TDK
2.they will not replace heath

:cwink:Why not, he died in B89 and everyone ****ing loves that "vision".

[Crook]

Killing off Joker was a bad idea. Believe it or not, this is almost a universally shared opinion among batfans, regardless if they liked B89 or not.

[dark_b]

Why not, he died in B89 and everyone ****ing loves that "vision".HE WONT DIE BECAUSE OF B89.

i have mroe faith in nolan when it comes to that stuff than i have in singer after SR :cwink:

i am death serious. it would be extreme idiotc to have joker die . he is not copying . plus killing of villains is not os smart. you ahve arkham for that.

[Batman FREAK]

He should go to Arkham Asylum...that's where Joker will always belong.

[Carmine Falcone]

It's to easy to kill off the Joker. He is so hated (and loved) for being Batman's eternal pain in the ass. He is batman's everlasting foe. When you say 'Batman' you also say 'Joker'.

[regwec]

The Joker transcends the popularity even of Batman- he is almost a pure Jungian trickster archetype, like the Hellenistic satyr, or the Arabian jinn, and familiar to anyone who has played cards.

[VolgusZildrohar]

i would have liked crispin glover as the joker. he has some kind of creepy slankyness....i don´t know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pF0EUswNiE

[Muziko]

I see that retarded ideas do find a way of reappearing...

[TheBat812]

The Joker is one of the greatest popular villains of all time.

[Noir]

i would have liked crispin glover as the joker. he has some kind of creepy slankyness....i don´t know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pF0EUswNiE
"No Biff, you take your damn hands off her."

[Rezzo]

The Joker is one of the greatest popular villains of all time.
Venom is one of the greatest villains of all time and look what happened to him

[regwec]

What? You can't really compare the two. It's like comparing Dracula with Jason Vorhees.

[Rezzo]

What? You can't really compare the two. It's like comparing Dracula with Jason.

In the world of Spider-Man Venom is one of the all time great villains and in Batman Joker is one of the all time great villains so if they can kill Venom as easily as they did in Spider-Man 3 I wouldn´t be surprised if they killed Joker in TDK which I hope they don´t and don´t think they will anyways

[Noir]

In the world of Spider-Man Venom is one of the all time great villains and in Batman Joker is one of the all time great villains so if they can kill Venom as easily as they did in Spider-Man 3 I wouldn´t be surprised if they killed Joker in TDK which I hope they don´t and don´t think they will anywaysBut Joker's already died in a movie before..

[Rezzo]

But Joker's already died in a movie before..

True so it wouldn´t be surprising to see him die again

[TheBat812]

They really can't be compared. One is THE original comic book villain, while the other is less than 20 years old. The Joker is also a way cooler villain in general, due to his unpredictability and room for adaptation with the character, while Venom is really a one-dimensional character. Venom is my fav spidey villain though, and i agree he got screwed story wise. He looked ****ing awesome though, although I wish his voice got deep and raspy as his mask came on.

[itsthebatman]

It's to easy to kill off the Joker. He is so hated (and loved) for being Batman's eternal pain in the ass. He is batman's everlasting foe. When you say 'Batman' you also say 'Joker'.
I think most people would say 'Robin'.

The Joker transcends the popularity even of Batman- he is almost a pure Jungian trickster archetype, like the Hellenistic satyr, or the Arabian jinn, and familiar to anyone who has played cards.
He's a what now?

ar·che·type http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pnghttp://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Farchetype) /ˈɑrhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngkɪˌtaɪp/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ahr-ki-tahyp] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1.the original pattern or model from which all things of the same kind are copied or on which they are based; a model or first form; prototype. 2.(in Jungian psychology) a collectively inherited unconscious idea, pattern of thought, image, etc., universally present in individual psyches.
http://sinistervisions.com/store/images/Dark-Satyr-Art-Print.jpg
Where do come up with this stuff? Its damn good, like.

Joker more popular than Batman? I dunno about that.

[mjbull23]

I would bet that he has signed a multi picture deal. Joker will be back for another go around after this next installment.

[Mike_D202]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but check it out:

7ebcIJz1XD0

Its Heath Ledger with a black hooded cape to cover his joker appearance, if you look closely you can see that hes wearing the signature purple outfit :D

[Steelsheen]

hmm, you're right.

[TheBat812]

It's impossible to accurately tell what color that is, lol. Looks bluish-purple?

[mjbull23]

Nice find. Thank you for that.

[DarkJester]

Venom is one of the greatest villains of all time and look what happened to him

If you're going to bring Spidey villains into this, I believe the Green Goblin would be a more appropriate comparison.

Joker = Batman's greatest foe, completely unique in character and irreplacable. If Joker disappeared from Batman tomorrow, in every medium, the comic book world would stop.

Whereas Venom = mopey whiney Eddie Brock still wants to kill spider-man for such meager reasons, but then the 90's came, ****ed up the character's entire development and now he's dying of cancer with the venom symbiote attached to Mac Gargan. If the Spider-man series lost Brock or Gargan at this point, the 40 people who still like Venom for more reasons than "zomg he's so awthome!" would just go "well that sucks" like the carnage fans did when HE bit the dust.

[Bandyt]

That video has been shown before on here a few times. It still goes unknown to me why people bother putting spoiler tabs on things in the spoiler thread.

[regwec]

The Joker in Batman is really a character that has previously existed in cultural iconography: he has just been synthesised and refined. He works so well because there is much about him that people respond to on a kind of cryptocultural level.

Venom, to my mind, is one of the poorest and most derrivative innovations of the long decline that came with the "new comics" of the late 80s and early 90s. If you were to compare him with a Batman character, then Azreal would be a better choice.

[itsthebatman]

He is adapted from a readily recognisable archetype, so? Good point, althought his hardly makes him unique (Two-Face is a werewolf, for instance). It's no suprise for popular culture to take mythological figures or archetypes and adapt them for their own purposes - with Thor, Marvel didn't even bother adapting him!

[Nepenthes]

If Joker disappeared from Batman tomorrow, in every medium, the comic book world would stop.

ha ha what the fck are you talking about?

[breyfogle_rules]

Archetype shmarchetype. I'm all about advertising mascots these days.

Like in the States, we have this commercial for a cough suppresent where this anthropomorphized mucas blob in a fedora with a suitcase moves into your throat with his family and the medicine is symbolized as the landlord who kicks him out.

[breyfogle_rules]

He is adapted from a readily recognisable archetype, so? Good point, althought his hardly makes him unique (Two-Face is a werewolf, for instance). It's no suprise for popular culture to take mythological figures or archetypes and adapt them for their own purposes - with Thor, Marvel didn't even bother adapting him!

Funny, I often think of Hollywood's golden age monsters as being America's greatest response to mythology...particularly regarding the different styles of male sexuality.

Dracula represents the suave, cool guy that ends up sucking your energy dry.
Wolf-man is the alcoholic "Oh I'm so embaressed. I can believe the way I acted last night".
Invisible-man = chronic masturbator. He's just not present. Cant perform because he already wacked off. And Claude Raines came off as such a wanker, really.
Frankenstein is good hearted, big johnson but stupid as hell.
The Mummy is the stalker. He gets hung up on girls and never lets it go.

and my personal favorite...

Creature from the Black Lagoon. Represents pure carnal desire. The fiend. Run toward that bikini clad girl, grab her and drag her back to your watery layer.

[Nepenthes]

ha ha. what about the Martians though?

[regwec]

I don't like to think about the sexual connotations of King Kong.

[breyfogle_rules]

Easy.

Martians are homosexuals.

And don't get me started on Kong.

[breyfogle_rules]

Mr. J's suit in that vid is definitely purple.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5148/jokersuitmr1.jpg

[shapeshifter]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but check it out:

Its Heath Ledger with a black hooded cape to cover his joker appearance, if you look closely you can see that hes wearing the signature purple outfit :D

whoa dude when did A sith lord show up on the set:oldrazz:

[Bandyt]

Hahah, now that's commitment. I never doubted it's purpleyness.

[raybia]

And don't get me started on Kong.

Go ahead. By the way I'm a black male. :cwink:

[breyfogle_rules]

Go ahead. By the way I'm a black male. :cwink:

HA! Well, the "jungle fever" is definitely an aspect. But it goes much deeper, broader... Kong is undoubtedly the most picked apart geek film of all time. I'd have to really focus to illuminate my take on it, particularly since I'm going through something with an ex-girlfriend that is touched upon a lot by the symbology in Kong (I mean the original, btw). A little close to home right now. It basically has something to do with evolution forcing us to let go of the need to be physically protected in an immediate, brutish manner while we still pine for this need. Plus a million other things. Ahh! You almost got me started.

I think we are all a little bit Fay Wray and all a little bit Kong. That's for sure.

[raybia]

HA! Well, the "jungle fever" is definitely an aspect. But it goes much deeper, broader... Kong is undoubtedly the most picked apart geek film of all time. I'd have to really focus to illuminate my take on it, particularly since I'm going through something with an ex-girlfriend that is touched upon a lot by the symbology in Kong (I mean the original, btw). A little close to home right now. It basically has something to do with evolution forcing us to let go of the need to be physically protected in an immediate, brutish manner while we still pine for this need. Plus a million other things. Ahh! You almost got me started.

I think we are all a little bit Fay Wray and all a little bit Kong. That's for sure.

I have a little Fay Wray in me? Well, I better let her out. There are laws against that sort of thing you know. :woot:

[The Top Hat]

I think this guy would have been an excellent Joker if he hadn't been excellent as other well known character.


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6145/bbbale4ku.jpg

Agreed...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/whosflyingthisthing/balejoker.jpg

[itsthebatman]

I read 'Secrets' tonight. Batman referred to Joker as a 'cliche', and Joker responded 'I prefer 'archetype''. Heh.

[Stotch]

I think this guy would have been an excellent Joker if he hadn't been excellent as other well known character.


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6145/bbbale4ku.jpg

What movie is that from again?

[Crook]

American Psycho

[Stotch]

American Psycho

That's the one! Thanks.

[ToxicFrog]

Here's a Joker for all the purists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT9kPQPb1g8

[Rezzo]

Here's a Joker for all the purists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT9kPQPb1g8

That´s pretty gay looking but gotta love the Mark Hamill voice :up:

[Steelsheen]

Mr. J's suit in that vid is definitely purple.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5148/jokersuitmr1.jpg

thanks for clarifying man :D


Agreed...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/whosflyingthisthing/balejoker.jpg

well would you look at that, it could work :joker:

[Bandyt]

I still like Heath.

[Duplicate Dude]

Does anyone remember a few weeks ago after that whole 'I believe in Harvey Dent' thing stopped and those Joker cards came out with "see you in December" written all over them were placed around comic stores etc?

Well, the other day i was in my local library reading the killing joke (which i believe is one of the books they're taking things from for TDK) and it had one of those cards smack dab in the middle of the book! I was really shocked and of course really happy to get my hands on one. Has anyone else found any of them yet??

[Steelsheen]

its hard to tell man, if its a real thing done by WB (or that marketing firm they hired) or if its part of the grassroots campaign that is being done by some of the fans.

care to scan the card?

[shapeshifter]

That´s pretty gay looking but gotta love the Mark Hamill voice :up:

yeah if you close your eyes its great.

[breyfogle_rules]

Does anyone remember a few weeks ago after that whole 'I believe in Harvey Dent' thing stopped and those Joker cards came out with "see you in December" written all over them were placed around comic stores etc?

Well, the other day i was in my local library reading the killing joke (which i believe is one of the books they're taking things from for TDK) and it had one of those cards smack dab in the middle of the book! I was really shocked and of course really happy to get my hands on one. Has anyone else found any of them yet??

First thing to check is if the scribbles are manually written or stamped onto the card.
The "official" ones were stamped.

[Duplicate Dude]

its hard to tell man, if its a real thing done by WB (or that marketing firm they hired) or if its part of the grassroots campaign that is being done by some of the fans.

care to scan the card?


Yeah, i must admit i did think that myself. As much as i was in total geek-dom thinking i'd found one a part of me did think that it was possible that it was just another fan that has done it themselves.

Either way its still cool, but i suppose the chances of it being "official" are quite slim. Especially seeing as i live in a see side town in Essex.

I'll take a picture of the card and upload it when i get home.

[Sub-Zero]

am i the only one who's glad we're not getting a nicholson joker? i like this sadistic creepy take they are trying to pull off. i just want to see some laughing fish.

[shapeshifter]

Yeah, i must admit i did think that myself. As much as i was in total geek-dom thinking i'd found one a part of me did think that it was possible that it was just another fan that has done it themselves.

Either way its still cool, but i suppose the chances of it being "official" are quite slim. Especially seeing as i live in a see side town in Essex.

I'll take a picture of the card and upload it when i get home.

I wonder if the people who go into my local comic shop think they havefound some little authentic gems too? I have been printing out the harvey dent pic modifying it to look like the joker's scribbles and putting them in trades and on shelves.

[ghost_x]

Yeah, i must admit i did think that myself. As much as i was in total geek-dom thinking i'd found one a part of me did think that it was possible that it was just another fan that has done it themselves.

Either way its still cool, but i suppose the chances of it being "official" are quite slim. Especially seeing as i live in a see side town in Essex.

I'll take a picture of the card and upload it when i get home.

You found it in Essex, I live in Essex, as much as I would like to say it's real, I highly doubt they would bring the campaign over here

[ghost_x]

This is brilliant stuff,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFRYF9d5Qyc&NR=1

[Bandyt]

Makes me want to almost illegally download that program.

[Noir]

Makes me want to almost illegally download that program.
What Program?

[breyfogle_rules]

Be honest y'all.
Does my female icon make me sexually ambiguous?

[breyfogle_rules]

am i the only one who's glad we're not getting a nicholson joker? i like this sadistic creepy take they are trying to pull off. i just want to see some laughing fish.

Here here.

[shapeshifter]

am i the only one who's glad we're not getting a nicholson joker? i like this sadistic creepy take they are trying to pull off. i just want to see some laughing fish.

I liked the 89 joker for the movie he was in. It was a good fit then.
I think this joker will fit the mood and might even earn the respect of the doubters. I would love to see Joker fish, but I'm more excited to see big scary grins on J's prey!!!!!!
I also heard a rumor that we might see joker through the eyes of a person who has been fear gassed. That might put me over the top!

[D.P.]

I like what they've done thus far:

Green hair - check.

White skin - check.

Smile - Up for debate, Although I'm pleased with it...

Purple suit - check.

Characterization has been on point from the little bit we've seen...So I'm confident in how his portrayal is gonna turn out...

I'm still waiting to hear the voice/laugh, And I'd also like to see his signature long-nose revolver (preferrably a .50) and I'm set.

[shapeshifter]

I like what they've done thus far:

Green hair - check.

White skin - check.

Smile - Up for debate, Although I'm pleased with it...

Purple suit - check.

Characterization has been on point from the little bit we've seen...So I'm confident in how his portrayal is gonna turn out...

I'm still waiting to hear the voice/laugh, And I'd also like to see his signature long-nose revolver (preferrably a .50) and I'm set.
I saw a pic of him holding a 9mm. but it looked like a scene from the begining of the movie, so hopefully by the end he will pull out the 45 or 50mm. I'm also kind of glad they did not find anyone with a huge chin. I think if the joker looked like Leno in makeup it might be a little odd.

[D.P.]

You referring to the robbery pics with the goons?

[shapeshifter]

You referring to the robbery pics with the goons?

yeah I saw one when it first came out of joker walking up the stairs with a 9mm in hand. I have been looking for that pic ever since, and I can't find it online, and I'm to lazy to comb through the pages of this thread to find it again.

[Steelsheen]

Be honest y'all.
Does my female icon make me sexually ambiguous?

well, i did think you were a girl once. then i read your post that you have a thing for Helen Mirren.

which then doesnt really disprove that your a girl, but.... whatever :O

[Bond]

well, i did think you were a girl once. then i read your post that you have a thing for Helen Mirren.

which then doesnt really disprove that your a girl, but.... whatever :O
Heyy now.

Helen Mirren is a handsome woman.

:oldrazz:

[marcofthebeast]

Be honest y'all.
Does my female icon make me sexually ambiguous?

No, but your hell-bent for leather title does.
Just kidding I love Judas Priest.