The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[NoName86]

not bad. Background from the candy factory?

Nope, but if you have a copy of the insides of the brach's factory then let me know where to find them because those were orignally what I wanted to use.

[1981]

it looks exactly like those pictures. I can't remember where I saw them. Somewhere in the vault of this message board.

[Bond]

Here they are:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/Mr_J_20/20070504room2xp7.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/Mr_J_20/20070502brachhallwayln8.jpg

I'm sure there's more, but these are the only ones on my computer.

[NoName86]

Perfect. I'll see what I can do with them.

[1981]

Wow. Thanks for the pics.

[Shoemeister]

I didn't like it either, but I'm getting very used to it. I like how the appearance of a smile is virtually permanent on him.

I agree. I'm not gonna lie, I was totally and utterly against the "carved smile look" in the beginning, but I must admit that now I'm actually looking forward to it. I have faith in Nolan's interpretation. Not to mention that Ledger's characterization seems to be dead on... :up:

[NoName86]

Once again, credit goes to dark_b for this (awesome,inspiring) manip of Joker.
Here he is with the brach's candy factory as a backdrop.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4015/brachjokerpq3.jpg

Hope you like it!

[NoName86]

Ahh, coloring is a little off for the background.

[hegele]

apart of me still wishes that Jackie Earle Haley got the part, but i am looking forward to Heath.

[comic_guy04]

I just saw "A Knight's Tale" today to see a lil of Heath cuz I havn't seen much, does anyone else think thats a god awful movie?

[1981]

I think most people do (including Heath).

[Batman>all]

Is Heath the guy in that Mel Gibson war movie?

Patriot Games? not sure the name really...

[sasquatchs]

I'm sure there's more, but these are the only ones on my computer.

Here's a couple others, no-one besides the guy at mikesrightbrain.com seems to have mentioned filming there though


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa180/sasquatchs/20070501_peelingpaint-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa180/sasquatchs/20070510_factory-1.jpg

[Ibn]

Is Heath the guy in that Mel Gibson war movie?

Patriot Games? not sure the name really...


yep. The Patriot.

[Fresh Tendrils]

I watched Pan's Labyrinth last night (amazing movie) and seeing the Captain's mouth get sliced and him having that half-cut smile was creepy as hell. I can't wait to see The Joker.

[uchiha_itachi]

its not gonna be exactly like tht, but this joker will own! :D:D

cant wait for the teaser.

[Bandyt]

Heath was really good in an Aussie movie called Candy, if you want to sees him acting go for that one, you also get to see him inject himself with needles and see our colourful Australian currency being passed between drugo-hands.

[the amazing fro]

Hes a great actor and could pull ths off. But then again he culd also f**k it up.

[Batman jr.]

Hes a great actor and could pull ths off. But then again he culd also f**k it up.

I don't think so. Nicholson's Joker will be forgotten, mark my words. And I'm a fan :wow:

[Octoberist]

I don't think so. Nicholson's Joker will be forgotten, mark my words. And I'm a fan :wow:

I doubt it. I think both performces will be highly praised, though Jack will always be in the public's mind when they think of The Joker. I could be wrong though...

[Carmine Falcone]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa180/sasquatchs/20070510_factory-1.jpg

That is beautiful.

And I mean it.

[Octoberist]

They are they actually going to film at that candy factory soon?

[babycakes]

I just saw "A Knight's Tale" today to see a lil of Heath cuz I havn't seen much, does anyone else think thats a god awful movie?

Oh yes. And yeah, in a few interviews Heath seemed to sort of consider it like a freshman year in college, all about partying and having a good time, and afterwards realized it was time to knuckle down and try to get serious.

I'm a hardcore Heath fan but even I got a thrill of fear upon hearing he'd been cast as Joker. Like, oh God, what if he DOES f it up? Mind you, I don't think he will. He's throwing everything he's got at it, and I think he'll be splendid.

[TheBatman072]

I like A Knight's Tale.


Fun movie.

[Keyser Soze]

I got Candy in the mail today. I might watch it tonight.

You should watch it. Really good film, reminded me of "The Panic In Needle Park". I'd say it's Heath Ledger's best performance so far.

[Bond]

You should watch it. Really good film, reminded me of "The Panic In Needle Park". I'd say it's Heath Ledger's best performance so far.
Finally somebody responded to me!

I'm going on vacation today, and if I take it with me I'll probably lose it. I'll watch it when I get back.

Thanks Keyser.

[babycakes]

You should watch it. Really good film, reminded me of "The Panic In Needle Park". I'd say it's Heath Ledger's best performance so far.

I thought it was right up there with his outstanding job in Brokeback. I wish he'd have gotten more recognition for it---I guess the distributor for "Candy" didn't push the film very hard and it kinda wound up being forgotten, a shame.

[Mike_D202]

I thought it was right up there with his outstanding job in Brokeback. I wish he'd have gotten more recognition for it---I guess the distributor for "Candy" didn't push the film very hard and it kinda wound up being forgotten, a shame.

I dont know about that, all he did in the movie was keep a straight face (while all the time it looked as if he was chewing tobacco in every scene), said a few lines and had butt sex.

I dont think the general audience could have taken it any more serious than that because simply they cannot relate to the main characters. Thats just how society is.

[Crook]

I dont know about that, all he did in the movie was keep a straight face (while all the time it looked as if he was chewing tobacco in every scene), said a few lines and had butt sex.
:dry:

[Keyser Soze]

I thought it was right up there with his outstanding job in Brokeback. I wish he'd have gotten more recognition for it---I guess the distributor for "Candy" didn't push the film very hard and it kinda wound up being forgotten, a shame.

I actually thought he was better in "Candy" than in "Brokeback Mountain". Don't get me wrong, he did well in "Brokeback", but the character he was playing was so withdrawn and repressed, that Ledger had to underplay everything to the point where for most of the movie it didn't even feel like a performance. It wasn't until near the end of the film that the character really came to life for me. But that was probably the point.

[Mike_D202]

I actually thought he was better in "Candy" than in "Brokeback Mountain". Don't get me wrong, he did well in "Brokeback", but the character he was playing was so withdrawn and repressed, that Ledger had to underplay everything to the point where for most of the movie it didn't even feel like a performance. It wasn't until near the end of the film that the character really came to life for me. But that was probably the point.

Thats a very well-thought out explaination to what I was trying to say :up:

[babycakes]

I dont know about that, all he did in the movie was keep a straight face (while all the time it looked as if he was chewing tobacco in every scene), said a few lines and had butt sex.

I dont think the general audience could have taken it any more serious than that because simply they cannot relate to the main characters. Thats just how society is.

IMO, Heath's delivery of the final line in Brokeback was a thing of utter beauty---a character used to stoicism finally caving in to heartbreak and loss...universal emotions brilliantly conveyed.

[Mike_D202]

IMO, Heath's delivery of the final line in Brokeback was a thing of utter beauty---a character used to stoicism finally caving in to heartbreak and loss...universal emotions brilliantly conveyed.

I agree that the last scene in the movie was probably the big payoff (and no disagreements on his performance).

[Crook]

I actually thought he was better in "Candy" than in "Brokeback Mountain". Don't get me wrong, he did well in "Brokeback", but the character he was playing was so withdrawn and repressed, that Ledger had to underplay everything to the point where for most of the movie it didn't even feel like a performance.
Acting as a very repressed individual is hard in itself though. Because you have to portray a character that isn't used to emoting, and the nervousness/awkwardness has to come through that.

Have you seen Matt Damon in The Good Shepherd? He played a similar role, and he did a brilliant job with it. Like Ledger, he created little quirks with the character (like walking in a stiff, almost robotic manner) that just added to the performance.

[babycakes]

It wasn't until near the end of the film that the character really came to life for me. But that was probably the point.

Yeah! It might have been. Did you think his role in "Candy" was understated as well? I kinda thought so. There were a number of scenes where I found myself thinking that most other actors would have gone over the top, it being a much more emotional character than Ennis was. I dunno, that's one of the things I really admire about Heath's acting is his...restraint.

Which makes it all the more interesting to see what he does with Joker! Restraint? What's that?

[the amazing fro]

I don't think so. Nicholson's Joker will be forgotten, mark my words. And I'm a fan :wow:

Nicholsons joker will never be forgotten. I think it was a great performance. Not the joker for me but a great performace nevertheless. Ledgers joker will be more the joker.

[Starbird]

Has anyone seen Heath Ledger's performance in "Lords of Dogtown"? He plays the role of "Skip" in the movie. I thought that was Ledger's best performance of all the movies he's done.:oldrazz:

[Batman jr.]

Nicholsons joker will never be forgotten. I think it was a great performance. Not the joker for me but a great performace nevertheless. Ledgers joker will be more the joker.

I hope the whining fanboys will forget it :o

[Keyser Soze]

Has anyone seen Heath Ledger's performance in "Lords of Dogtown"? He plays the role of "Skip" in the movie. I thought that was Ledger's best performance of all the movies he's done.:oldrazz:

I actually rank that as his second best performance, after "Candy", with "Brokeback Mountain" coming in third place. He just totally disappeared into that character, to the point where I thought the weird guy in the shop with the shades and the funny voice was a different character than the one Heath Ledger was playing when we saw him in the wetsuit at the start of the film.

[babycakes]

Has anyone seen Heath Ledger's performance in "Lords of Dogtown"? He plays the role of "Skip" in the movie. I thought that was Ledger's best performance of all the movies he's done.:oldrazz:

Yup I did! Talk about a scene-stealer!

[Juanigi]

I guess this is an opportune place to mention that http://chelseagrin.com, which I assume babycakes is part of, added another piece of iconic joker fan art:

http://chelseagrin.com/images/gallery/006.gif

[Lunar_Wolf]

Badass^^^^^^^^^

[Orko Is King]

I guess this is an opportune place to mention that http://chelseagrin.com, which I assume babycakes is part of, added another piece of iconic joker fan art:

http://chelseagrin.com/images/gallery/006.gif

Very cool. I hope the 1st clear promo pic looks something like this.

[Untilteld]

A Knight's Tale was awesome, I don't care what anyone says.

[gwynplaine]

I guess this is an opportune place to mention that http://chelseagrin.com, which I assume babycakes is part of, added another piece of iconic joker fan art:

http://chelseagrin.com/images/gallery/006.gif
The original "bob Kane" Joker card is a nice touch. I wish that's the one they had used at the end of Batman begins as an homage to the man who started it all.

[gwynplaine]

I doubt it. I think both performces will be highly praised, though Jack will always be in the public's mind when they think of The Joker. I could be wrong though...
Unfortunately, you might be right, even though, in my opinion, he was a much better Joker in The Shining than in B89.
Now Heath is up to bat (pun intended) and I hope he'll give us the real deal.
On July 18, the Joker comes home.

[Skowl]

Hi everyone, new guy here - first post in the Batman forum!

I'm a huge fan of Christopher Nolan's work, and of Heath Ledger's as well (His performance in Brokeback Mountain is unforgettable). When I heard they picked Ledger as the Joker, I was skeptical - but I have total confidence in Nolan and I was convinced he made the right choice.

I really like what I see so far from the new Joker. He retains his classic features, but has a look that fits perfectly with Nolan's Gotham City. Let's hope the teaser offers us a better look than those blurry spy photos. I'm so excited for this movie! To this day, Batman Begins is one of my favourite films. I love how he updated Scarecrow (my favourite comic-to-film adaptation of a character yet), and I can't wait to see how the new Joker will play out on the big screen!

[Socrates858]

Two things i'd like to see in this movie

I wanna see ledger giggling like a little kid while giving someone a stelletto(spelling) smile. Full on slowly cutting them and laughing joker style.

And at the end Batman put joker into arkam and as they are leading joker to his cell show a freaking body builder huge guy in restraints with his face shadowed over (setting up BANE for another Batman movie)

[Vile]

"bbbbbaaaaaaaaaaannnnneeeee!"

[1981]

screw Bane.

[darknight7]

The original "bob Kane" Joker card is a nice touch. I wish that's the one they had used at the end of Batman begins as an homage to the man who started it all.
Ya, I was kind of dissapointed that the card they showed at the end of BB was a new classy looking design, would have been sic if it was an original design from the comics

--dk7

[jsf]

the blurry pic of ledger in costume with him smiling is awesome, you can see how far up his cheek bones rize and how far out his smile stretches and would stretch with a full on laugh

[Noir]

http://i16.tinypic.com/52yjqdx.jpg

Now that is ****ing classy.

[CristoTheSecond]

I was afraid this would happen.

Okay, alright, let's go back a little bit. Remember the year 1989? It was Tim Burton's Batman. And, boy, people loved it. Made a whole bunch of money and all that good stuff. Despite a few glaring differences from the comic book, people still loved it as Batman's first serious foray into live-action. In fact, people today argue about what's better: Batman Begins or the 1989 Batman.

Now, let's go back to 1992. Based on the success of the first Batman movie, I can only assume that the studio gave Burton more control over its sequel: Batman Returns. And, boy, what a mistake. We had a Penguin who bit people's noses off as blood spurted everywhere. We had a Catwoman who scratched people's faces open. The movie was incrementally more violent than its predecessor and darker as well. You find the rare guy who liked "Batman Returns" the best. But a lot of people were repelled by its content, its unfaithfulness to the source material, and its overall feel of "the director taking over the movies instead of directing them".

Now, most of us love "Batman Begins" to a certain extent. Despite a few glaring differences from the comic book, we still love it as a much-needed serious look at Batman after the dreadful "Batman and Robin". We praised Christopher Nolan on making it "realistic" (and even though this is a tired argument, how realistic can you actually make a man who dresses as a bat to fight clownish villains?) and we looked forward to the sequel.

But, I know something was wrong before we knew even a little bit about the Dark Knight. In fact, I knew something was wrong back in 2006. How, you ask? Because that's when Christopher Nolan's film "The Prestige" came out. IMO, it's a damn good film: much better than the other magician film that came out that year entitled "The Illusionist". But when The Prestige came out, I knew there was a glaring problem evident on the behavior of long-time Nolan fans and fans of Nolan who saw "Batman Begins" and then went on to watch his other films.

The Prestige is sci-fi fantasy. For those of you who haven't seen the film, I won't delve into it too much...but the film is sci-fi fantasy. And a lot of people DID NOT like the conclusion that the twist at the end left you to believe. In fact, people are still arguing over whether "we're not really looking" or if "we want to be fooled". But, one argument I noticed is this: because Nolan is a "realistic" director, it puts a certain stigma on him making an "unrealistic" movie, which is idiotic because comic book movies are as unrealistic as you can get BUT Batman Begins was directed in a realistic fashion and it was pretty good so all is forgiven...

Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul. Alright, okay, not exactly the perfect picture of accuracy BUT they're not iconic characters. Was Batman Begins scary? Okay, alright, I guess it could be a TAD bit scary, but not scary enough where my 7-year-old nephew had to leave the theater (which is funny because he was freaked out by the Doc Ock hospital scene in a decidedly less realistic film, Spider-Man 2). Did the Tumbler not resemble previous interpretations of the Batmobible? Yes, but in the end, it's a vehicle for Batman to drive around in: not something that hinges on its appearance.

But, because Batman Begins was such a good movie, I'm sure the studio is going to give Nolan more control. And what's going to happen? People are far too hung up on realism for a movie with a superhero fighting bad guys. Even the darkest and most violent graphic novels featuring Batman were quite far from realistic. And Batman Begins, while being somewhat realistic, still was a fun time at the movie theater (for me, at least).

But, now we've got a Joker pic (which I hope is fake). An iconic character bastardized to the point of being a psycho who got into his mommy's powder and lipstick? A character with class and demonic charm reduced to a guy who looked like he just finished eating a circular saw? An intelligent psychopath reduced to looking like a retarded goth who just finished a jelly doughnut? Gross and vile and DEFINITELY not exuding ANY sort of charm at all.

But, oh, it's just like what a guy WOULD look like if he fell into acid. It's "realistic" so the "fans" praise it.

And Warner Brothers is like "Oh, boy, they like it. We can keep it in the film!" And I feel like I'm about to throw up. This is what happens when a director is given FAR TOO MUCH control over his film. He starts changing things drastically...destroying icons and origins as easy as eating Sunday dinner. Remember: the fans who like this are the same fans who wanted Venom and the same fans who wanted Joker to be some sort of Manson rip-off. DON'T LISTEN TO THEM.

But, alas, the only one they'll choose not to listen to is me and this is what's going to happen.

Wouldn't it be an extreme case of history repeating itself if they deemed this sequel TOO dark and got a different director for the third one? Tsk tsk tsk. Horrible.

Nolan, don't listen to them. Make the film the way you made the first one. Somewhat realistic but fun and engaging. And please don't make the Joker look like this.

[Juanigi]

can someone read that for me and write a report on whether any of it's worth reading

[Batman jr.]

Ya, I was kind of dissapointed that the card they showed at the end of BB was a new classy looking design, would have been sic if it was an original design from the comics

--dk7


It's a copy from "Arkham Asylum".

[theShape]

can someone read that for me and write a report on whether any of it's worth reading

I started to read it, but then feel asleep. So I give up.

[regwec]

can someone read that for me and write a report on whether any of it's worth reading

It's sound enough, though there are few original observations. He thinks that Nolan has been allowed too much freedom with the intellectual property and has spoiled The Joker, as a result.

[Juanigi]

based on the few scraps of evidence available a year before the film, he demonstrably hasn't

ugh I started skimming it from the end backwards and it pretty much falls apart around the middle, no matter which direction you approach it from

[CristoTheSecond]

Don't get me wrong. I think Nolan is an excellent director. I just think that the way things are going, this could be to Begins like Batman Returns was to Batman (1989).

[Juanigi]

well hopefully it'll end up being like begins was to batman and robin

[GhostRider5006]

http://i16.tinypic.com/52yjqdx.jpg

Now that is ****ing classy.

Is that Heath:wow:

[jsf]

it'll be fine, he isn't going to ruin the movie just cause he gave the joker a carved smile like Bremejo or whatever his name is... it's still going to be a badass movie. And while yes the joker will obviously lose some of that charm due to a grotesque face, im sure he'll still have the presence

[jsf]

Is that Heath:wow:

No its the joker

[Agentsands77]

But, now we've got a Joker pic (which I hope is fake).
We've had many Joker pics.

An iconic character bastardized to the point of being a psycho who got into his mommy's powder and lipstick?
His skin is really white underneath, but he wears flesh make-up and other make-up to make his look seem entirely like the product of make-up. It's revealed as a twist in THE DARK KNIGHT.

A character with class and demonic charm reduced to a guy who looked like he just finished eating a circular saw?
I've never thought the Joker a charming/classy guy.

But grotesque look aside, it seems like they couldn't have gotten the Joker's personality closer to the comic book character.

Remember: the fans who like this are the same fans who wanted Venom and the same fans who wanted Joker to be some sort of Manson rip-off.
Uh... the problem with Venom in SPIDER-MAN 3 was not the character. It was how Raimi handled him.

And I love the look, but I never want the Joker to be any sort of Manson rip-off.

Nolan, don't listen to them. Make the film the way you made the first one. Somewhat realistic but fun and engaging. And please don't make the Joker look like this.
Too late. Like it or not, that's THE DARK KNIGHT's Joker, and the one we'll see on the screen come next Summer.

[turtlefocker]

I was afraid this would happen.

Okay, alright, let's go back a little bit. Remember the year 1989? It was Tim Burton's Batman. And, boy, people loved it. Made a whole bunch of money and all that good stuff. Despite a few glaring differences from the comic book, people still loved it as Batman's first serious foray into live-action. In fact, people today argue about what's better: Batman Begins or the 1989 Batman.

Now, let's go back to 1992. Based on the success of the first Batman movie, I can only assume that the studio gave Burton more control over its sequel: Batman Returns. And, boy, what a mistake. We had a Penguin who bit people's noses off as blood spurted everywhere. We had a Catwoman who scratched people's faces open. The movie was incrementally more violent than its predecessor and darker as well. You find the rare guy who liked "Batman Returns" the best. But a lot of people were repelled by its content, its unfaithfulness to the source material, and its overall feel of "the director taking over the movies instead of directing them".

Now, most of us love "Batman Begins" to a certain extent. Despite a few glaring differences from the comic book, we still love it as a much-needed serious look at Batman after the dreadful "Batman and Robin". We praised Christopher Nolan on making it "realistic" (and even though this is a tired argument, how realistic can you actually make a man who dresses as a bat to fight clownish villains?) and we looked forward to the sequel.

But, I know something was wrong before we knew even a little bit about the Dark Knight. In fact, I knew something was wrong back in 2006. How, you ask? Because that's when Christopher Nolan's film "The Prestige" came out. IMO, it's a damn good film: much better than the other magician film that came out that year entitled "The Illusionist". But when The Prestige came out, I knew there was a glaring problem evident on the behavior of long-time Nolan fans and fans of Nolan who saw "Batman Begins" and then went on to watch his other films.

The Prestige is sci-fi fantasy. For those of you who haven't seen the film, I won't delve into it too much...but the film is sci-fi fantasy. And a lot of people DID NOT like the conclusion that the twist at the end left you to believe. In fact, people are still arguing over whether "we're not really looking" or if "we want to be fooled". But, one argument I noticed is this: because Nolan is a "realistic" director, it puts a certain stigma on him making an "unrealistic" movie, which is idiotic because comic book movies are as unrealistic as you can get BUT Batman Begins was directed in a realistic fashion and it was pretty good so all is forgiven...

Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul. Alright, okay, not exactly the perfect picture of accuracy BUT they're not iconic characters. Was Batman Begins scary? Okay, alright, I guess it could be a TAD bit scary, but not scary enough where my 7-year-old nephew had to leave the theater (which is funny because he was freaked out by the Doc Ock hospital scene in a decidedly less realistic film, Spider-Man 2). Did the Tumbler not resemble previous interpretations of the Batmobible? Yes, but in the end, it's a vehicle for Batman to drive around in: not something that hinges on its appearance.

But, because Batman Begins was such a good movie, I'm sure the studio is going to give Nolan more control. And what's going to happen? People are far too hung up on realism for a movie with a superhero fighting bad guys. Even the darkest and most violent graphic novels featuring Batman were quite far from realistic. And Batman Begins, while being somewhat realistic, still was a fun time at the movie theater (for me, at least).

But, now we've got a Joker pic (which I hope is fake). An iconic character bastardized to the point of being a psycho who got into his mommy's powder and lipstick? A character with class and demonic charm reduced to a guy who looked like he just finished eating a circular saw? An intelligent psychopath reduced to looking like a retarded goth who just finished a jelly doughnut? Gross and vile and DEFINITELY not exuding ANY sort of charm at all.

But, oh, it's just like what a guy WOULD look like if he fell into acid. It's "realistic" so the "fans" praise it.

And Warner Brothers is like "Oh, boy, they like it. We can keep it in the film!" And I feel like I'm about to throw up. This is what happens when a director is given FAR TOO MUCH control over his film. He starts changing things drastically...destroying icons and origins as easy as eating Sunday dinner. Remember: the fans who like this are the same fans who wanted Venom and the same fans who wanted Joker to be some sort of Manson rip-off. DON'T LISTEN TO THEM.

But, alas, the only one they'll choose not to listen to is me and this is what's going to happen.

Wouldn't it be an extreme case of history repeating itself if they deemed this sequel TOO dark and got a different director for the third one? Tsk tsk tsk. Horrible.

Nolan, don't listen to them. Make the film the way you made the first one. Somewhat realistic but fun and engaging. And please don't make the Joker look like this.

You are a little late dont yea think. Joker is gonig to look like that. BTW great post, most people wont read it but I did and I enjoyed reading it. Most people just post as little as possible to boost there post count.

[Noir]

Is that Heath:wow:Its Heath as the Joker :cwink:

[Juanigi]

so what you're saying is that the joker, painted to look like heath ledger, skateboards on the set of the film

[Noir]

I was afraid this would happen.

Okay, alright, let's go back a little bit. Remember the year 1989? It was Tim Burton's Batman. And, boy, people loved it. Made a whole bunch of money and all that good stuff. Despite a few glaring differences from the comic book, people still loved it as Batman's first serious foray into live-action. In fact, people today argue about what's better: Batman Begins or the 1989 Batman.

Now, let's go back to 1992. Based on the success of the first Batman movie, I can only assume that the studio gave Burton more control over its sequel: Batman Returns. And, boy, what a mistake. We had a Penguin who bit people's noses off as blood spurted everywhere. We had a Catwoman who scratched people's faces open. The movie was incrementally more violent than its predecessor and darker as well. You find the rare guy who liked "Batman Returns" the best. But a lot of people were repelled by its content, its unfaithfulness to the source material, and its overall feel of "the director taking over the movies instead of directing them".

Now, most of us love "Batman Begins" to a certain extent. Despite a few glaring differences from the comic book, we still love it as a much-needed serious look at Batman after the dreadful "Batman and Robin". We praised Christopher Nolan on making it "realistic" (and even though this is a tired argument, how realistic can you actually make a man who dresses as a bat to fight clownish villains?) and we looked forward to the sequel.

But, I know something was wrong before we knew even a little bit about the Dark Knight. In fact, I knew something was wrong back in 2006. How, you ask? Because that's when Christopher Nolan's film "The Prestige" came out. IMO, it's a damn good film: much better than the other magician film that came out that year entitled "The Illusionist". But when The Prestige came out, I knew there was a glaring problem evident on the behavior of long-time Nolan fans and fans of Nolan who saw "Batman Begins" and then went on to watch his other films.

The Prestige is sci-fi fantasy. For those of you who haven't seen the film, I won't delve into it too much...but the film is sci-fi fantasy. And a lot of people DID NOT like the conclusion that the twist at the end left you to believe. In fact, people are still arguing over whether "we're not really looking" or if "we want to be fooled". But, one argument I noticed is this: because Nolan is a "realistic" director, it puts a certain stigma on him making an "unrealistic" movie, which is idiotic because comic book movies are as unrealistic as you can get BUT Batman Begins was directed in a realistic fashion and it was pretty good so all is forgiven...

Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul. Alright, okay, not exactly the perfect picture of accuracy BUT they're not iconic characters. Was Batman Begins scary? Okay, alright, I guess it could be a TAD bit scary, but not scary enough where my 7-year-old nephew had to leave the theater (which is funny because he was freaked out by the Doc Ock hospital scene in a decidedly less realistic film, Spider-Man 2). Did the Tumbler not resemble previous interpretations of the Batmobible? Yes, but in the end, it's a vehicle for Batman to drive around in: not something that hinges on its appearance.

But, because Batman Begins was such a good movie, I'm sure the studio is going to give Nolan more control. And what's going to happen? People are far too hung up on realism for a movie with a superhero fighting bad guys. Even the darkest and most violent graphic novels featuring Batman were quite far from realistic. And Batman Begins, while being somewhat realistic, still was a fun time at the movie theater (for me, at least).

But, now we've got a Joker pic (which I hope is fake). An iconic character bastardized to the point of being a psycho who got into his mommy's powder and lipstick? A character with class and demonic charm reduced to a guy who looked like he just finished eating a circular saw? An intelligent psychopath reduced to looking like a retarded goth who just finished a jelly doughnut? Gross and vile and DEFINITELY not exuding ANY sort of charm at all.

But, oh, it's just like what a guy WOULD look like if he fell into acid. It's "realistic" so the "fans" praise it.

And Warner Brothers is like "Oh, boy, they like it. We can keep it in the film!" And I feel like I'm about to throw up. This is what happens when a director is given FAR TOO MUCH control over his film. He starts changing things drastically...destroying icons and origins as easy as eating Sunday dinner. Remember: the fans who like this are the same fans who wanted Venom and the same fans who wanted Joker to be some sort of Manson rip-off. DON'T LISTEN TO THEM.

But, alas, the only one they'll choose not to listen to is me and this is what's going to happen.

Wouldn't it be an extreme case of history repeating itself if they deemed this sequel TOO dark and got a different director for the third one? Tsk tsk tsk. Horrible.

Nolan, don't listen to them. Make the film the way you made the first one. Somewhat realistic but fun and engaging. And please don't make the Joker look like this.
I have one response:

http://i16.tinypic.com/52yjqdx.jpg

[Frosty81]

Except Begins wasn't a huge box office success.

[DeaDheaD]

Except Begins wasn't a huge box office success.

Yes it was

[Crook]

Yes it was
No, it wasn't. It was a moderate blockbuster success though.

[Agentsands77]

Except Begins wasn't a huge box office success.
It was a pretty big one. Sure, it wasn't gonzo numbers, but it was enough to qualify as a hit.

[jsf]

TDK will make more money at the box office though

[ShadowoftheBird]

Yes it was

/signed.

It was a critical and financial success. People love Begins.

[DeaDheaD]

No, it wasn't. It was a moderate blockbuster success though.

it profited more than twice its cost.......thats pretty good

[turtlefocker]

yea box office. woot! I heard the Joekr was gonna be in TDK, thatlle boost the BO for sure

[jsf]

yea box office. woot! I heard the Joekr was gonna be in TDK

NOWAISE!

[Crook]

it profited more than twice its cost.......thats pretty good
That's if you take into account ww numbers. Domestic is the most important, because once it reaches overseas, the studio intake gets much more complicated.

[turtlefocker]

From the final WW numbers the studio gets 50%.

[Frosty81]

Batman (1989) = $413,000,000

Spider-Man = $821,000,000 (World)

Pirates 1 = $652,000,000 (World)

Batman Begins = $382,000,000 (World)

"it profited more than twice its cost.......thats pretty good"
- It did not profit more than twice its cost. The gross take was more than double the estimated budget; but that estimated budget most likely, and very conveniently, excluded the advertising and promotional budget.

[DeaDheaD]

That's if you take into account ww numbers. Domestic is the most important, because once it reaches overseas, the studio intake gets much more complicated.

But considering 370 mil overall plus the DVD sales, its in blockbutser range

[turtlefocker]

Batman (1989) = $413,000,000

Spider-Man = $821,000,000 (World)

Pirates 1 = $652,000,000 (World)

Batman Begins = $382,000,000 (World)

and the studio only gets half of that, thats why nowadays they make the most money from DVD sales.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[DeaDheaD]

Batman (1989) = $413,000,000

Spider-Man = $821,000,000 (World)

Pirates 1 = $652,000,000 (World)

Batman Begins = $382,000,000 (World)

so the cut-off is 382 mill?

[Juanigi]

let's round down to 350 for convenience

[turtlefocker]

let's round down to 350 for convenience

lets just say 25 dollars.

[Frosty81]

I am curious, does anyone know if IMDB's box office numbers are adjusted for inflation? They have the Batman 89 budget at an estimated $35million with it's worldwide gross take at over $400million. That's ridiculous if those figures are unadjusted 1989 dollars.

- Christopher

[DeaDheaD]

boxofficemojo.com
they adjust it for inflation but ya gotta give them your soul

[jsf]

tree fiddy

[Batman jr.]

Well, a movie doesn't have to be a huge blockbuster to be good.

[Tbone Inferno]

can someone put all tdk spoilers in tags for me i wasnt around when they where released so missed it

[turtlefocker]

can someone put all tdk spoilers in tags for me i wasnt around when they where released so missed it

No.... wait i dont get the question

[Frosty81]

Well, a movie doesn't have to be a huge blockbuster to be good.

Indeed. But Noir's argument was that because Batman 89 was a success, the WB gave too much control to Burton, thus resulting in Batman Returns. So, by expert deduction, he has come to the conclusion that because Batman Begins was a success, The Dark Knight is the new Returns.

This argument overlooks the small fact that Tim Burton is not a motion picture director. He is an artistic director. Nolan is a motion picture director who has proven his talent with every film he has made. I picked up Following this weekend, which I had never seen before. A-Mazing.

- Christopher

[Mike_D202]

Considering that "Batman Begins" was the eighth highest grossing film in 2005, second highest grossing "Batman" film right behind 89 (which is suprising considering "Batman and Robin" tanked the franchise), achieved first place in national sales and rental charts in October 2005, becoming the top-selling DVD in the fourth quarter of 2005 and grossed $11.36 million in rental revenue...

I would say it was VERY successful.

I think TDK will do MUCH better now that people feel safe again with the franchise.

[Crook]

Considering that "Batman Begins" was the eighth highest grossing film in 2005, second highest grossing "Batman" film right behind 89 (which is suprising considering "Batman and Robin" tanked the franchise)
That's with unadjusted numbers though. Scale it to inflation, and BB is under BF (not sure about BR). Which makes it third or fourth in gross.

[DeaDheaD]

Considering that "Batman Begins" was the eighth highest grossing film in 2005, second highest grossing "Batman" film right behind 89 (which is suprising considering "Batman and Robin" tanked the franchise), achieved first place in national sales and rental charts in October 2005, becoming the top-selling DVD in the fourth quarter of 2005 and grossed $11.36 million in rental revenue...

I would say it was VERY successful.

I think TDK will do MUCH better now that people feel safe again with the franchise.

No no no no...none of that matters, it didnt do 1 bill worldwide so it was hardly successful.:dry:

[Frosty81]

Considering that "Batman Begins" was the eighth highest grossing film in 2005, second highest grossing "Batman" film right behind 89 (which is suprising considering "Batman and Robin" tanked the franchise), achieved first place in national sales and rental charts in October 2005, becoming the top-selling DVD in the fourth quarter of 2005 and grossed $11.36 million in rental revenue...

I would say it was VERY successful.

I think TDK will do MUCH better now that people feel safe again with the franchise.

I agree. And I don't think that Nolan is going to ruin the franchise with his take on the Joker. I think this one will be huge compared to the first considering the established fan base and following, the word of mouth, DVD sales and the fact that Begins used "secondary" villains.

[Frosty81]

No no no no...none of that matters, it didnt do 1 bill worldwide so it was hardly successful.:dry:

And for clarification I do agree that, in light of the circumstances, Begins was a success. I was just using the numbers to point out the flaw in Noir's argument.

- Christopher

[Mike_D202]

That's with unadjusted numbers though. Scale it to inflation, and BB is under BF (not sure about BR). Which makes it third or fourth in gross.

whose counting? :cwink: I think its safe to say that Batman is a successful franchise again, to say its not is a bit ignorant.

But I guess we'll find out the REAL popularity will count in TDK.

[DeaDheaD]

And for clarification I do agree that, in light of the circumstances, Begins was a success. I was just using the numbers to point out the flaw in Noir's argument.

- Christopher

what was his argument?

[Crook]

whose counting? :cwink:
Actually.....you were. :oldrazz:

But I guess we'll find out the REAL popularity will count in TDK.
Indeed. It doesn't get any bigger than Batman vs. Joker, so we'll see if the main audience is really up for another bout between these 2 titans.

[Frosty81]

what was his argument?

That the huge success of B89 gave Burton too much control over Returns, resulting in the degradation of the franchise. And, as I said, comparing Burton to Nolan is a mistake from the start. It would be like comparing Britney Spears to Billie Holiday, or F1 to NASCAR.

- Christopher

[DeaDheaD]

That the huge success of B89 gave Burton too much control over Returns, resulting in the degradation of the franchise. And, as I said, comparing Burton to Nolan is a mistake from the start. It would be like comparing Britney Spears to Billie Holiday, or F1 to NASCAR.

- Christopher

Burton's problem was that he cared more about the villains than batman

[Frosty81]

Burton's problem was that he cared more about the villains than batman

Agreed.

[Crook]

Burton's problem was that he cared more about the villains than batman
That's not necessarily true. He just felt that Batman was a character meant for the shadows at all times, and that translates to minimal screentime. Mystique was something that he wanted not only the characters in the movie to see in Batman, but the audience as well.

[DeaDheaD]

That's not necessarily true. He just felt that Batman was a character meant for the shadows at all times, and that translates to minimal screentime. Mystique was something that he wanted not only the characters in the movie to see in Batman, but the audience as well.

Thats great and all, but it made Batman look like an afterthought, plus Burton just made a dark movie, he followed the comic book and graphic novels less than Nolan did.

[Crook]

Thats great and all, but it made Batman look like an afterthought
I always thought fanboys exaggerated the hell outta this point. Batman may not have had incredible amount of screentime, but he always had enough, that he was at least the second most shown character. Some would make you believe that he was a cameo or something.

Also, while Nolan improved on this, I think he just went in complete reverse, by giving Bruce most of the screentime, but at the same time the villains got the bad end of the stick. I've still yet to see a good balance between hero/villain in a live-action Batman movie.

[Figs]

I always thought fanboys exaggerated the hell outta this point. Batman may not have had incredible amount of screentime, but he always had enough, that he was at least the second most shown character. Some would make you believe that he was a cameo or something.

Also, while Nolan improved on this, I think he just went in complete reverse, by giving Bruce most of the screentime, but at the same time the villains got the bad end of the stick. I've still yet to see a good balance between hero/villain in a live-action Batman movie.


As I know you already know, BB was the introduction to do his origin. Of course Bruce was going to have more screentime, im sure Batman will be in TDK prominently. With the Joker in this one, I don't think their going to cut his screen time down to that of Scarecrow.

[Frosty81]

I still maintain that Burton never made a Batman movie. He made a Tim Burton movie with Batman in it.

[Figs]

I still maintain that Burton never made a Batman movie. He made a Tim Burton movie with Batman in it.


Not surprising since that's the safety blanket excuse/reason so many fans grab for when they say why they didn't like his version. I liked his version, but like Nolans waaaaaaaay more. It just gets under my skin when people can only come up with that excuse almost word for word everytime about what was wrong with Burtons version.

[DeaDheaD]

I always thought fanboys exaggerated the hell outta this point. Batman may not have had incredible amount of screentime, but he always had enough, that he was at least the second most shown character. Some would make you believe that he was a cameo or something.

Also, while Nolan improved on this, I think he just went in complete reverse, by giving Bruce most of the screentime, but at the same time the villains got the bad end of the stick. I've still yet to see a good balance between hero/villain in a live-action Batman movie.


Whoa...whoa..not a fanboy.....that hurt a little in side......Burton made a good film, and I do like B89, but after watching it now, batman=afterthought, gordon=non-existant,and if you blink you miss dent completely. Its a burton comic-book film, its a good one but Nolan did it better, and untill i had the comparison between B89 and Begins, I thought B89 was the best ever made(comic book wise)

[Frosty81]

With all due respect, I formulated that opinion long before my days of internet forum discussions.

[DeaDheaD]

Not surprising since that's the safety blanket excuse/reason so many fans grab for when they say why they didn't like his version. I liked his version, but like Nolans waaaaaaaay more. It just gets under my skin when people can only come up with that excuse almost word for word everytime about what was wrong with Burtons version.

Its the truth, B89 was Edward Scissorhands with a mask and a clown

[regwec]

'89 has once crucial advantage over "Begins"- one major sequence in which we see Batman busting crime in a slick and impressive fashion. The Arkham Asylum sequence in "Begins" should have shared the sense of scale and tension of the Axis Chemicals scene in '89, but it didn't.

[Frosty81]

'89 has once crucial advantage over "Begins"- one major sequence in which we see Batman busting crime in a slick and impressive fashion. The Arkham Asylum sequence in "Begins" should have shared the sense of scale and tension of the Axis Chemicals scene in '89, but it didn't.

I would like to see him busting some regular low-life thugs in The Dark Knight.

[DeaDheaD]

Yeah I thought that scene from Begins was a little low scale, but at least we got an Arkham in Begins

[Crook]

Never did get why we didn't see it in Burton's take. His style is perfect for it.

Now we're just stuck with a bland insane asylum. :o

[ShadowoftheBird]

Whoa...whoa..not a fanboy.....that hurt a little in side......Burton made a good film, and I do like B89, but after watching it now, batman=afterthought, gordon=non-existant,and if you blink you miss dent completely. Its a burton comic-book film, its a good one but Nolan did it better, and untill i had the comparison between B89 and Begins, I thought B89 was the best ever made(comic book wise)

Prior to BB, I was convinced that Batman Returns was the best Batman movie. Subsequent watchings and reading from this board have caused me to re-evaluate my position on that. I really think now that B89 was the best PRIOR to BB. Begins is just too amazing not to like. And I think it's the greatest adaptation of the comics that ever hit the silver screen, even considering Nolan having his own "take" on it.

I love the feel of the Burton movies but they can't compare with Nolan's handling.

I do agree with regwec though, that the chemical factory scene just hasn't been topped.

[turtlefocker]

Yeah I thought that scene from Begins was a little low scale, but at least we got an Arkham in Begins

http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[DeaDheaD]

Prior to BB, I was convinced that Batman Returns was the best Batman movie. Subsequent watchings and reading from this board have caused me to re-evaluate my position on that. I really think now that B89 was the best PRIOR to BB. Begins is just too amazing not to like. And I think it's the greatest adaptation of the comics that ever hit the silver screen, even considering Nolan having his own "take" on it.


I love the feel of the Burton movies but they can't compare with Nolan's handling.


I do agree with regwec though, that the chemical factory scene just hasn't been topped.



Burton is better visually, but Nolan really dove into Batman, and gave Batman and the rest of the supporting cast a certain level of respect that burton never reached.

[ShadowoftheBird]

Burton is better visually, but Nolan really dove into Batman, and gave Batman and the rest of the supporting cast a certain level of respect that burton never reached.

That's what I was trying to say. Thanks. :-)

[DeaDheaD]

That's what I was trying to say. Thanks. :-)


Oh I see:woot:

[DeaDheaD]

But then again, seeing what directly followed Burton, Im glad he still got those first two somewhat right.

[turtlefocker]

I still love Returns, does that make me a bad person?

[Crook]

No, you'd need to get laid and have a child to be that.

[turtlefocker]

No, you'd need to get laid and have a child to be that.

intresting theory, what if i adopt

[ShadowoftheBird]

But then again, seeing what directly followed Burton, Im glad he still got those first two somewhat right.

Couldn't agree more. :woot:

[DeaDheaD]

I still love Returns, does that make me a dad person?

Yes you are a very DAD PERSON, Returns was on the other day, and i didnt even notice the Chris Walken clone they got to play Schreck's Son........man that is top flight acting right there:whatever: .......you fixed it, you sob you

[turtlefocker]

It has the best ending IMO

[DeaDheaD]

It has the best ending IMO
Catwoman looking at the signal????

[turtlefocker]

Catwoman looking at the signal????

Yes, in my opinoun that is the best ending of all the Batman films.

[DeaDheaD]

Dont kill but BM&R running at the end of Forever,was one that I liked, but Begins' ending was the best to me, "And you'll never have to" makes me smile everytime.

[jsf]

Dont kill but BM&R running at the end of Forever,was one that I liked, but Begins' ending was the best to me, "And you'll never have to" makes me smile everytime.

true the "you'll never have to" line is great... real boy scout-ish

[DeaDheaD]

true the "you'll never have to" line is great... real boy scout-ish
But Bale delivered it like a total badass tho

[turtlefocker]

http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes4/BatmanReturns47.jpg

you gotta admit that was a cool moment, the theme in the background, the snow falling it was badass. Returns is my second favorite bat-film, after Batman Begins.

[jsf]

But Bale delivered it like a total badass tho

yeah i know, thats what makes it seem so f'n c00l!

[Silver Souper]

Yes, in my opinoun that is the best ending of all the Batman films.

returns is a fantastic movie. the only other bat-movie besides begins that I give four stars to. (b89 is 3 stars, B4EVER is 2 stars and B&R 1 star). returns, though not for the purist, is still a fantastic vision and amazing movie cinematically. a rich fairy tale.

the final shot of batman swooping at the camera in begins i never liked- felt too trendy for a final shot. but i love the rooftop finale a ton

[Silver Souper]

http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes4/BatmanReturns47.jpg

Returns is my second favorite bat-film, after Batman Begins.

good man

[DeaDheaD]

Begins
B89
Returns
and then i dont even acknowledge the other two, well except for forever every once and awhile but the movie that does not get spoken of, can burn

[turtlefocker]

since were ranking them (I worn you my list is not for everyone)

BEGINS
Returns
Batman: The Movie
Batman (1989)
Batman and Robin
Batman Forever

[DeaDheaD]

since were ranking them (I worn you my list is not for everyone)

BEGINS
Returns
Batman: The Movie
Batman (1989)
Batman and Robin
Batman Forever

I thought there was an agreement, you have to warn people man...not cool ..........not cool

[turtlefocker]

After Returns the other are based on how often I watch them, I always find myself popping my old VHS of B&R into the machine. Its really funny, I enjoy it, and I rarely if ever watch FOREVER.

[gwynplaine]

http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes4/BatmanReturns47.jpg

you gotta admit that was a cool moment, the theme in the background, the snow falling it was badass. Returns is my second favorite bat-film, after Batman Begins.
I agree and I thought the birth of the penguin in the beginning, even though it was far removed from the comics, was cool and creepy in an old school horror film kind of way, very Burtonian. Plus I love snow in movies.

[Noir]

And for clarification I do agree that, in light of the circumstances, Begins was a success. I was just using the numbers to point out the flaw in Noir's argument.

- Christopher
I had an arguement?

[jsf]

Begins
B89
Returns
and then i dont even acknowledge the other two, well except for forever every once and awhile but the movie that does not get spoken of, can burn

Z0MG Me t00!

Begins
B89
Forever
Returns
...and that other one

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I don't acknowledge Forever and "the other one", and I barely recognize Returns. I should see that one again, its been ages.

[gwynplaine]

I think "returns", even though very flawed, deserves to be revisited and shouldn't be associated with Schumacher's lame attempts (I won't harass him more than that, out of respect for his old age).

[turtlefocker]

Returns is beautiful

[Shoemeister]

http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes4/BatmanReturns47.jpg

you gotta admit that was a cool moment, the theme in the background, the snow falling it was badass.

I totally agree, it's a great moment. It was especially exciting to see in theatres back in the day. :)

[turtlefocker]

I totally agree, it's a great moment. It was especially exciting to see in theatres back in the day. :)

I remember it well

[gwynplaine]

Catwoman's S&M get-up was a nice touch, but I always thought Julie Newmar filled up the suit better, if you know what I mean.
Halle Berry sucked but wasn't helped by a terrible picture. My choice for the new Catwoman : Ziyi Zhang. She might be asian and not have a perfect mastery of the english language but she moves like a cat and can sure kick ass.

[Shoemeister]

Someone mentioned Asia Argento a while back as a choice for Selina Kyle/Catwoman. She had never crossed my mind, but she's pretty smokin'. I believe she could bring a lot of sex appeal and edginess to the role.

[Nivek]

Someone mentioned Asia Argento a while back as a choice for Selina Kyle/Catwoman. She had never crossed my mind, but she's pretty smokin'. I believe she could bring a lot of sex appeal and edginess to the role.

Maybe 5 years ago, but she's kinda getting a frump to her of late. I think the best thing will be to cast an uber attractive unknown as Selina Kyle, and just because the taste still lingers, dont call her Catwoman. Just Selina Kyle. But give her the costume and everything else, but at a key moment.

[turtlefocker]

MEGAN FOX for catwoman

[Shoemeister]

MEGAN FOX for naked.

[ETHAR-N]

MEGAN FOX for naked.

Catwoman for Joker!:woot:

[turtlefocker]

MEGAN FOX for naked.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[RedIsNotBlue]

Megan Fox for teh sexoorz.

[Farfarello]

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1161/jokerledgerfullwallpapeew3.jpg

[gwynplaine]

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1161/jokerledgerfullwallpapeew3.jpg

That's cool, Mr J is a bit South Parkish but the "Caligari" german expressionism perspectives are Interesting.

[Noir]

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1161/jokerledgerfullwallpapeew3.jpg

The Cabinet of Doctor Joker.

[Juanigi]

they did an elseworlds like that where the joker was cesare and batman was nosferatuNever did get why we didn't see it in Burton's take. His style is perfect for it.

Now we're just stuck with a bland insane asylum. :oit wasn't in the tv show, so he never found out about it

[Juanigi]

also, from the sequel art thread buried in the non-spoilers section :otry doing one of the joker crouched over the bank manager, pulling off his clown mask to reveal the grin underneath

what a tasty manip challenge!http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/berryg13/IMG.jpg
that was fun do another one

[turtlefocker]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/berryg13/IMG.jpg

someone should colour this in!

[Conebone69]

Simpsonized joker:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/camexam1/jokersimp.jpg

[Shoemeister]

Simpsonized joker:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/camexam1/jokersimp.jpg

TEOL

[Sarg92]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/berryg13/IMG.jpg

someone should colour this in!


I am colouring it in now, I will post what I have done so far soon!

[turtlefocker]

I am colouring it in now, I will post what I have done so far soon!

http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Beanjuice]

has anyone else seen this?

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/dsr55/l_a2cb5fbe2ec8f3356495e8b8ad91c12d.jpg

[chitownballer]

has anyone else seen this?

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/dsr55/l_a2cb5fbe2ec8f3356495e8b8ad91c12d.jpg

Nope, where did u find that?

[Axtech]

Nope, where did u find that?

It's just a fan-made toy that was sold on eBay.

[chitownballer]

ah pretty well made

[turtlefocker]

fan made, ive seen it

[Conebone69]

TEOL
I tried to make two-face but I couldnt

[Shoemeister]

I tried to make two-face but I couldnt

Haha, yeah I was fooling around with that Simpsonizer thing earlier. Kinda cool.

[gwynplaine]

they did an elseworlds like that where the joker was cesare and batman was nosferatuit wasn't in the tv show, so he never found out about it
I thought McKeever's elseworld take on "Metropolis" with Superman was better done. But I like the artwork on both.

[turtlefocker]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/berryg13/IMG.jpg



I cant get over how awesome this is.

[Shoemeister]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/berryg13/IMG.jpg



I cant get over how awesome this is.

I agree. Despite the fact that Superman45 posted that frickin' retarded "leaked trailer" thread about 10 minutes ago, his artwork completely renders that null and void. This is just outstanding. :up:

[Sarg92]

Here's what I've done so far, I'd like it if Superman45 helps me out with what colours he wants.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9896/jokerdrawingpngvm8.png

[turtlefocker]

Here's what I've done so far, I'd like it if Superman45 helps me out with what colours he wants.


Just go by the set pics, we already know what Ledger was wearing and what the mask looks like.. SET PICS.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Mr. Socko]

I just flat out despise the disfigured grin.

[turtlefocker]

Just go by the set pics, we already know what Ledger was wearing and what the mask looks like.. SET PICS

[Mr. Socko]

Yea it looks great on the set pics.

That fake action figure just brought back terrible memories of the first pic of J.

[regwec]

*sigh* We really need something new.

[Van Petrol]

Here's what I've done so far, I'd like it if Superman45 helps me out with what colours he wants.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9896/jokerdrawingpngvm8.png

Thats Brilliant! :up::up:

[TheBatman072]

Here's what I've done so far, I'd like it if Superman45 helps me out with what colours he wants.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9896/jokerdrawingpngvm8.png


You know, I bet that's how Joker sees himself and the world.

[gwynplaine]

has anyone else seen this?

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/dsr55/l_a2cb5fbe2ec8f3356495e8b8ad91c12d.jpg
I hope the Ledger doesnt have this diseased vagina for a mouth, throughout the whole film. From the latest spy pics, it looks like it's gotten better, but who knows ?

[Juanigi]

I hardly think some guy's overzealous carving on a toy is a good reference point to pin your worries on

[Kakihara]

I hope the Ledger doesnt have this diseased vagina for a mouth, throughout the whole film. From the latest spy pics, it looks like it's gotten better, but who knows ?

Nice description.

[gwynplaine]

I hardly think some guy's overzealous carving on a toy is a good reference point to pin your worries on
You are right, thanks for alleviating my worries.

[turtlefocker]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2771/jokerattackwi5.jpg

[SimpleHero82]

man that perspective is killer. gj!

[Conebone69]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2771/jokerattackwi5.jpg
Thats beyond amazing. But dosent joker wear white gloves in the movie

[Lunar_Wolf]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2771/jokerattackwi5.jpg

Amazing. Love it!

[1981]

more panda eyes. no white gloves. where did you get that from?

[turtlefocker]

1981: "You will end up childless and alone."
BATMAN: "Well, fingers crossed, yeah."

[1981]

what?

[turtlefocker]

what?

I thought I made it perfectly clear... The Batman sequal art thread found in the non-spoiler section...

[Golgo-13]

http://i16.tinypic.com/52yjqdx.jpg

Now that is ****ing classy.


That woman's position looks highly..suggestive.:wow:

[Watson]

I think she's the same PA thats in a couple other of the pics

[Keyser Sushi]

I think she's the same PA thats in a couple other of the pics

Doc, how come you don't post in the Batusi lounge anymore? :csad:

[Watson]

lol...i haven't been on the computer lately. Nothing against the lounge, it was just my vaycay :D

[Keyser Sushi]

lol...i haven't been on the computer lately. Nothing against the lounge, it was just my vaycay :D

Ohhh. Cool. Did you have fun? Do anything exciting? :)

[Watson]

went to the beach, got burnt to a crisp, went out to the bar, shopped, and came back to the intraweb to find that we're getting a teaser trailer this week and that lindsay lohan has been arrested for her second DUI.

Best vacation ever :up:

[1981]

Teol!

[Keyser Sushi]

went to the beach, got burnt to a crisp, went out to the bar, shopped, and came back to the intraweb to find that we're getting a teaser trailer this week and that lindsay lohan has been arrested for her second DUI.

Best vacation ever :up:

Bwahaha! :D

Very nice.

So, er... when they moved the Lounge to the non-spoiler board... was that before or after you went on vacation?

[Watson]

yea I know it's over there no worries...I'll drop by at some point tonight :)

[Keyser Sushi]

yea I know it's over there no worries...I'll drop by at some point tonight :)

:heart: :woot:

[Hartter]

I'm reading this book. It RULES.

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/bf/72/09c6224128a0bfac0b216010.L.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Further-Adventures-Joker-Martin-Greenberg/dp/0553285319

[turtlefocker]

never heard of it, score outta ten?

[Hartter]

200 out of 10

[xwolverine2]

That woman's position looks highly..suggestive.:wow:

woah i just noticed....

only you Golgo...only you :o


lol!

[strikezone89]

I'm reading this book. It RULES.

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/bf/72/09c6224128a0bfac0b216010.L.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Further-Adventures-Joker-Martin-Greenberg/dp/0553285319
yah ive picked it up a few time. it's still no killling joke

[Lunar_Wolf]

Joker is looking badass!

[Damiean Dark]

Im still not sold on Ledger if an actor is to be judged on previuos work.

[Ring Deacon]

I'm reading this book. It RULES.

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/bf/72/09c6224128a0bfac0b216010.L.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Further-Adventures-Joker-Martin-Greenberg/dp/0553285319

I read that back in 1989 when the first batman movie came out. It has great stories in it. But it is more based off of BM 89's Joker since it mentions Jack Napier in a few stories, but still worth a read.

[the amazing fro]

Joker will be great in this movie! To those who think he will be crap

YABOO AND SUCKS TO YOU!

Thank you for listening

[the amazing fro]

Joker will be great in this movie! To those who think he will be crap

YABOO AND SUCKS TO YOU!

Thank you for listening

[uchiha_itachi]

yaboo??

[Sarg92]

My finished version of Superman45's pencil work.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9320/jokerdrawingpngwb3.png

[uchiha_itachi]

^ awesomeness

[jsf]

sick!

[StarvingArtist]

okay, question: here's my digital joker sculpt progress thus far.

http://willdrawforfood.com/Misc/HairProgress8.jpg

Does his hair make him look emo?

I'm trying to get the look of his hair right and I can't decide of I want to go with a few thinner greasy strands or the fallen locks concept I have here. Maybe you guys can help tip the balance.

[DeaDheaD]

Thinner, greasier

[Citadel30]

Looks cool- but the ears need to be pointier- they look a little to round.

[StarvingArtist]

Looks cool- but the ears need to be pointier- they look a little to round.

don't worry about the ears, for now I'm just concentrating on the do'

[sasquatchs]

Not my ideal, but looks fine to me, superb work. Are you using zbrush?

[StarvingArtist]

Not my ideal, but looks fine to me, superb work. Are you using zbrush?

Yep, that I am. Every artist should learn it.

Just out of curiosity, what would your ideal be?

[Citadel30]

don't worry about the ears, for now I'm just concentrating on the do'

oh ok- then yeah- a little thinner and maybe more of a fading hairline. but it looks really good.

[StarvingArtist]

oh ok- then yeah- a little thinner and maybe more of a fading hairline. but it looks really good.

Thanks man :) Yeah the bold hairline is a technical issue and will be tackled later on. I'm just trying to establish the overall basic look for now.

[Citadel30]

well overall, that is a pretty cool interpretation.

[Rincewind]

The hair's fine.
His face looks kinda a bit wrinkled. Kinda like 'old man'-wrinkled.
Otherwise it's very good piece of work.

[gwynplaine]

He looks a little vampiric, but still a wonderful piece of work and a great interpretation , bravo.

[StarvingArtist]

Thanks all so much for the crits and thoughts, however once again, let me try and be clearer:

I appreciate the feedback on everything else, but the face, the ears, the neck, are all in transitional stages. Critique on those parts while appreciated, isn't the most helpful at this stage.

I'm only looking for feedback on the hair concept, the overall look of it.

[StarvingArtist]

He looks a little vampiric, but still a wonderful piece of work and a great interpretation , bravo.

vampire? interesting...how so?

[gwynplaine]

vampire? interesting...how so?
There is a certain animalistic quality to it that reminds me of vampires. And the tongue feels like he could be licking blood off his lips. Also, there is a little "30 days of night" feel to it, all in all a fascinating interpretation.

[StarvingArtist]

There is a certain animalistic quality to it that reminds me of vampires. And the tongue feels like he could be licking blood off his lips. Also, there is a little "30 days of night" feel to it, all in all a fascinating interpretation.

One of the inspirations for the expression:

http://www.odarainternet.com.br/supers/quadrinhos/imagens/coringa.jpg

And thanks, I dig your observations :hyper:

[turtlefocker]

My finished version of Superman45's pencil work.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9320/jokerdrawingpngwb3.png

I think he wears gray in that scene, with white gloves

[baronghede]

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/07/17/joker-green-purple.jpg

Looks like Robert Smith backstage at a Cure concert.

[TheBat812]

One of the inspirations for the expression:

http://www.odarainternet.com.br/supers/quadrinhos/imagens/coringa.jpg

And thanks, I dig your observations :hyper:
That hair is much better than what you have right now, which has a very distinct anime feel to it (which personally, i hate). I think a slicked back haircut would look great.

[El Payaso]

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/07/17/joker-green-purple.jpg

Looks like Robert Smith backstage at a Cure concert.

Yes. I so want a better pic to jugde.

[Superstarsbl]

Am I the only person here who can see a resemblance here?

http://bat.mulu.nu/jungle/0.gif
You guys have to admit it does look like Heath.

[Juanigi]

I always liked that cover

[DOO BEE]

okay, question: here's my digital joker sculpt progress thus far.

http://willdrawforfood.com/Misc/HairProgress8.jpg

Does his hair make him look emo?

I'm trying to get the look of his hair right and I can't decide of I want to go with a few thinner greasy strands or the fallen locks concept I have here. Maybe you guys can help tip the balance.


you really dont know what emo is do you....

but his hair does look like a GOTH would have.... look up "Johnny the homicidal maniac" that hair looks like his...

[Van Petrol]

My finished version of Superman45's pencil work.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9320/jokerdrawingpngwb3.png

That is Brilliant!!! :up::up:

[StarvingArtist]

That hair is much better than what you have right now, which has a very distinct anime feel to it (which personally, i hate). I think a slicked back haircut would look great.

I saw your response from the other thread. It looks anime because the strands have no detail yet. Right now they look basically like bick ***** hanging off of his head I know. I'm testing concept here. Imagine that the big locks are actually just hair falling in the allotted space.

you really dont know what emo is do you....

but his hair does look like a GOTH would have.... look up "Johnny the homicidal maniac" that hair looks like his...

I don't pretend to know what emo means nor do I care, somebody else said the hair made him look "emo," prompting me to post it up to get opinions on whether or not that was true.

[TheBat812]

I saw your response from the other thread. It looks anime because the strands have no detail yet. Right now they look basically like bick ***** hanging off of his head I know. I'm testing concept here. Imagine that the big locks are actually just hair falling in the allotted space.
Yea, just saw your response. I think it could look okay, but I think there are much better ways to do the Joker's hair. His hair should reflect his personality (subtly, of course), and I can't see a single thing that the strands in front of his face would help identify. Combing back would signify a more precise and calculating Joker, whereas a wild-haired would suggest an erratic one. Just my view on the matter.

Great job on the model though, i could never get the hang of working in virtual space like that, so i gave up, haha.

[turtlefocker]

It looks tasty

[Mr. Socko]

It looks tasty


What does?

[Juanigi]

from the same artist:I lost motivation on this one but thought is was worth postinghttp://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/berryg13/jokerlayer2.jpg