The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[Tempest19]

wow that time machine thing is real!!! FREAKY!!!! What the hell is up with that?!

Also, by any chance- off topic, but does anyone understand Batman 666? Was that supposed to imply that Damian would follow in his father's footsteps and become a vigilante and possible take on his own father's legacy of the Batman?

[Spade]

wow that time machine thing is real!!! FREAKY!!!! What the hell is up with that?!

Also, by any chance- off topic, but does anyone understand Batman 666? Was that supposed to imply that Damian would follow in his father's footsteps and become a vigilante and possible take on his own father's legacy of the Batman?

Sweet Jesus, I hope not. I'm not a fan of "the son of Batman."

[millennium movies]

Nah, I meant, there's drugs in the pipes, Wayne Towers gonna blow, there's drugs in the pipes, Wayne Towers gonna blow,there's drugs in the pipes, Wayne Towers gonna blow.

Im with you on so far everything you've said today! :woot:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Mr. Socko]

Nah, I meant, there's drugs in the pipes, Wayne Towers gonna blow, there's drugs in the pipes, Wayne Towers gonna blow,there's drugs in the pipes, Wayne Towers gonna blow.


What:huh:

[sasquatchs]

Im with you on so far everything you've said today! :woot:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

You better be :cmad::woot: And I you

What

They explained situation for us 3 times

[itsthebatman]

Nah, I meant, there's drugs in the pipes, Wayne Towers gonna blow, there's drugs in the pipes, Wayne Towers gonna blow,there's drugs in the pipes, Wayne Towers gonna blow.
The pressure's building up! here! In pipes! With water! And drugs!
*repeat as unnecessary*

[marcofthebeast]

Has everyone already seen this page?

http://www.whysoserious.com/wannabes.aspx

with all the pictures of the WANNABES?

--dk7

Jaunty Earl is pretty cute.

[millennium movies]

You better be :cmad::woot: And I you



They explained situation for us 3 times

"The whole thing is gonna blow!!!"

Or that scene with Gordon when Bats comes to the intoxicated Narrows:

"It's a psychedelic hallucinogen set to intoxicate..." something like that, but he said it so fast and such "big words" that it just looked weird to me. Batman imo is a man of action and not many words.

[NoName86]

I thought this film wasn't going to have a Joker origin...
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not saying they are going to show it, or even directly imply it. What I am saying is that his insanity is a result of his deformity, how ever that came to be.

It doesn't have to show anything other than the fact that he is indeed white skinned, this automatically implies that he was in some freak accident.

[sasquatchs]

"The whole thing is gonna blow!!!"

Or that scene with Gordon when Bats comes to the intoxicated Narrows:

"It's a psychedelic hallucinogen set to intoxicate..." something like that, but he said it so fast and such "big words" that it just looked weird to me. Batman imo is a man of action and not many words.

How about that the Tumbler jumped across the water and landed a meter away from Gordon, handy. Or Gordon repeating what Batman said for the slow. Or Rachel finding the same Narrows boy to hug. Or the reference by the mentor back to the training scene. "You could die, tell me everything" "It's what I doooo" :csad:

[Mr. Socko]

He's Flyin' On ROOFTOPS!

[Milkman95]

I have a TON more confidence since Jonathon wrote the screenplay with Chris, NOT Goyer.

I really like BB, but it did have some "cringe worthy" moments. I'm still confident this Joker is not what he seems.

[millennium movies]

How about that the Tumbler jumped across the water and landed a meter away from Gordon, handy. Or Gordon repeating what Batman said for the slow. Or Rachel finding the same Narrows boy to hug. Or the reference by the mentor back to the training scene. "You could die" "It's what I doooo" :csad:

*Sniff* :csad: i taught all this time i was alone! Where's Mentok??

What you say we go to the BB section and talk about it, i'd like to know what else bugged you in the movie or what you think could have been done better. I don't want to cluster up the joker thread around here.

[NoName86]

I still think we're being led to believe something that will turn out different in the end.

One thing's for sure, I'm very curious as to how this story is going to be told. Knowing both Jonathon and Chris, this should be one hell of a story full of characterization, intrigue, and more than likely, a nice twist at the end.

It's shaping out to be like TLH in a way.

Wikipedia:

The plot follows Batman's struggle to find a mysterious killer, while Harvey Dent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Dent)'s and Jim Gordon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gordon)'s marriages are strained during the process. As the story unfolds, Carmine Falcone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine_Falcone) hires "freaks" (Poison Ivy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_Ivy_%28comics%29), the Riddler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Riddler), the Scarecrow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarecrow_%28comics%29), and the Mad Hatter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Hatter_%28comics%29)) in an attempt to stop the Batman and restore power back to the family, only to discover that the freaks are more powerful than he expected.

It seems like the mobs run to Joker for help against Batman, but they do not realize that Joker has nobody elses motivations in mind except his own, and I think there is some sort of rift thereafter between mob and Joker (remember the bank sides? I won't say precisely what happened because I know the new spoiler policy, but anyways) and it all spirals out of control.


This movie is begging for twists lol. Between the plot we know so far, and Jonathan Nolan(? I think that's his last name too) behind it...

[sasquatchs]

He's Flyin' On ROOFTOPS!

I actually liked that one, there's a few cheesy moments that are guilty pleasures :woot:

[Mr. Socko]

What has Chris Nolan's brother wrote before? Is he a comic book fan?

[Milkman95]

How about that the Tumbler jumped across the water and landed a meter away from Gordon, handy. Or Gordon repeating what Batman said for the slow. Or Rachel finding the same Narrows boy to hug. Or the reference by the mentor back to the training scene. "You could die, tell me everything" "It's what I doooo" :csad:

Well, to play Devil's Advocate here, pretty much every flick does this type of thing - it is a movie after all based on a comic book character.

The only moments in BB I really disliked was the Tumbler landing next to Gordon and his whole speech with it ending with the terrible "can you drive a stick?" and Rachel telling the cop she's an Assistant D.A. and she should be allowed to pass, no questions asked. Glad the cop asked for ID.

[Milkman95]

What has Chris Nolan's brother wrote before? Is he a comic book fan?

Memento and The Prestige.

[millennium movies]

Well, to play Devil's Advocate here, pretty much every flick does this type of thing - it is a movie after all based on a comic book character.

The only moments in BB I really disliked was the Tumbler landing next to Gordon and his whole speech with it ending with the terrible "can you drive a stick?" and Rachel telling the cop she's an Assistant D.A. and she should be allowed to pass, no questions asked. Glad the cop asked for ID.

LOL...her b*tch moment!

[TheCosmonaut]

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not saying they are going to show it, or even directly imply it. What I am saying is that his insanity is a result of his deformity, how ever that came to be.

It doesn't have to show anything other than the fact that he is indeed white skinned, this automatically implies that he was in some freak accident.
Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but his insanity could still be the result of a deformity, said deformity being his mouth. His new 'Chelsea grin' look makes him think he looks too much like a clown, and therefore he takes it a step further by making himself up to look like one completely.

Sorry if I'm rambly or incoherent. I'm very tired, dealing with a cold and drank a little too much tussin.

[Keyser Sushi]

Well, to play Devil's Advocate here, pretty much every flick does this type of thing - it is a movie after all based on a comic book character.

The only moments in BB I really disliked was the Tumbler landing next to Gordon and his whole speech with it ending with the terrible "can you drive a stick?" and Rachel telling the cop she's an Assistant D.A. and she should be allowed to pass, no questions asked. Glad the cop asked for ID.

That bit with Rachel and no ID is the bit that killed me - only time I cringed during the movie.

I've said it a million times, but when she put her hand up she should have been holding a DA's badge. Then it would be a perfectly acceptable moment.

[Milkman95]

LOL...her b*tch moment!

Yeah, that was bad.

If they would have cut out that cheesy "can you drive a stick" scene and did something a little different (like how Goyer's original screenplay read), it would have been better.

Also, I forgot the third thing - I didn't like Gordon taking the Batmobile, it read better in Goyer's original draft. It did establish their friendship and trust a little more, but to me, it was a bit much right off the bat.

[Crook]

Memento and The Prestige.
Slight correction, Memento was written by John as a short story, from which the script is based off of. The actual screenplay the movie was made on, was done by Chris.

Prestige was John's first screenplay as far as I know.

[Mr. Socko]

Memento and The Prestige.


Oh ok. I really need to get around to seeing Prestige.

Just wonderin', does his bro direct movies too?

[sasquatchs]

What has Chris Nolan's brother wrote before? Is he a comic book fan?

He put Nolan onto Batman when they were younger apparently, he's the comic book geek of the 2. He consulted on Begins for ages, he's consulted on all of them, but only credited for Memento's story and Prestige's screenplay

Well, to play Devil's Advocate here, pretty much every flick does this type of thing - it is a movie after all based on a comic book character.

The only moments in BB I really disliked was the Tumbler landing next to Gordon and his whole speech with it ending with the terrible "can you drive a stick?" and Rachel telling the cop she's an Assistant D.A. and she should be allowed to pass, no questions asked. Glad the cop asked for ID.

They didn't need to sink into mediocrity though, after all the hard work :csad: It's mainly the 3rd act I have a problem with. Anyway, I'm clogging up the thread as MM says

[Stringer]

He put Nolan onto Batman when they were younger apparently, he's the comic book geek of the 2. He consulted on Begins for ages, he's consulted on all of them, but only credited for Memento's story and Prestige's screenplay

Another reason why Im not too concerned about the whole Joker makeup thing.

[Milkman95]

He put Nolan onto Batman when they were younger apparently, he's the comic book geek of the 2. He consulted on Begins for ages, he's consulted on all of them, but only credited for Memento's story and Prestige's screenplay



They didn't need to sink into mediocrity though, after all the hard work :csad: It's mainly the 3rd act I have a problem with. Anyway, I'm clogging up the thread as MM says

I agree, the third act did lack - I guess if I want to get even more "nitpicky", I didn't like how Scarecrow went out.

But the movie as a whole was probably the best comic book adaptation ever done - maybe STM trumps it. Sorry Spider-man 2 fans........

[Milkman95]

Another reason why Im not too concerned about the whole Joker makeup thing.

BINGO.

[Tempest19]

But the movie as a whole was probably the best comic book adaptation ever done - maybe STM trumps it. Sorry Spider-man 2 fans........

Same here, but actually my #1 without a doubt. Might just be because I'm a HUGE Batman fan though. :woot:

[sasquatchs]

Also, I forgot the third thing - I didn't like Gordon taking the Batmobile, it read better in Goyer's original draft. It did establish their friendship and trust a little more, but to me, it was a bit much right off the bat.

I think the Gordon comedy moment was a late rewrite because Nolan couldn't bare to let go of the Tumbler that early. It took away from the tension


I didn't like how Scarecrow went out.


It was a little squirmy, but I liked how Scarecrow went out like a pathetic wimp

[millennium movies]

Where do we go chat about this guys? AIM anyone ?:D

[TheCosmonaut]

It was a little squirmy, but I liked how Scarecrow went out like a pathetic wimp
Me too. Made me think of his minor roles in The Long Halloween and Haunted Knight.

[batmanbeginsboy]

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2807/theknifeee4.jpg






I can almost hear him say: "What about a pretty little smile darling ????":woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:

im starting to think that he isnt waering red makeup over his lips. they blend to well with his actual red color lips. i dont know of any flesh colored lipstick. awesome pic BTW

[millennium movies]

****!!!! I spilled some juice all over the floor...brb guys :(

[batmanbeginsboy]

i also remember hearing somewhere that the jokers skin was a little spotty. i could be wrong but for people who think he is still wearing the white makeup i think you might just be wrong.jus IMO

[Keyser Sushi]

im starting to think that he isnt waering red makeup over his lips. they blend to well with his actual red color lips. i dont know of any flesh colored lipstick. awesome pic BTW

I'm on the fence with that theory -- that is to say, i've noticed exactly what you're saying. Look at the scar on his cheek, notice the different shades of red in there, the striations. In some ways it does look like the red is a result of his injury. On the other hand it could be face paint.

I keep see-sawing on this one.

[sasquatchs]

Where do we go chat about this guys? AIM anyone ?:D

Tomorrow maybe, gotta go out in a sec. This is therapeutic though, we should do this more often :woot: Feel free to add me to AIM anybody, I'm lonely :oldrazz:

[Mr. Socko]

I'm on the fence with that theory -- that is to say, i've noticed exactly what you're saying. Look at the scar on his cheek, notice the different shades of red in there, the striations. In some ways it does look like the red is a result of his injury. On the other hand it could be face paint.

I keep see-sawing on this one.

Same here. I'm hoping it's all perma though.

[Milkman95]

Tomorrow maybe, gotta go out in a sec. This is therapeutic though, we should do this more often :woot: Feel free to add me to AIM anybody, I'm lonely :oldrazz:

Sounds good.

Just keep in mind we're dealing with some great talent behind this film - not only the Nolan's, but the ridiculous cast - it's by far the best assembled.

[sasquatchs]

I'm on the fence with that theory -- that is to say, i've noticed exactly what you're saying. Look at the scar on his cheek, notice the different shades of red in there, the striations. In some ways it does look like the red is a result of his injury. On the other hand it could be face paint.

I keep see-sawing on this one.

I'm now thinking his scars are completely flesh colored and not raw at all, with the gruesome aspect being almost entirely the lipstick. I like

Sounds good.

Just keep in mind we're dealing with some great talent behind this film - not only the Nolan's, but the ridiculous cast - it's by far the best assembled.

Oh God yea, all my problems stem from Goyer, getting Jonah was my dream wish before it happened, so I'm pumped

[millennium movies]

Sounds good.

Just keep in mind we're dealing with some great talent behind this film - not only the Nolan's, but the ridiculous cast - it's by far the best assembled.

After the Ocean's films! :D:oldrazz:

[Milkman95]

After the Ocean's films! :D:oldrazz:

I agree, I was specifically talking about Comic Book based films though.

[Watson]

I agree, the third act did lack - I guess if I want to get even more "nitpicky", I didn't like how Scarecrow went out.

But the movie as a whole was probably the best comic book adaptation ever done - maybe STM trumps it. Sorry Spider-man 2 fans........

This is true. However we did get a bang up ending :up:

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2807/theknifeee4.jpg

The only thing that really bugs me about this photo...and I think it may just be a combination of the angle and Heath having dark eyes (his eye colour, not the panda) is that we can't see his eyes. They almost look closed. him having a much more direct stare would make it far more creepy for me.

That said, taking this into consideration with the spy pics does make me think that overall he's looking good :)

[Milkman95]

^Obviously they don't want to play that "Trump Card" yet with his eyes - we're getting spoiled very early, so they're releasing certain pictures that don't reveal the "whole" Joker at this point.

[Tempest19]

I think his eyes ARE close, daydreaming over the joys of the sadistic act he wants to do...

[Keyser Sushi]

Same here. I'm hoping it's all perma though.

Naturally I'm hoping so, too, but I don't want to get my mind set on one thing only to have the rug pulled out from under me. Whatever happens, I love the look of this Joker, and the characterization, if it's anything even resembling what we're getting in the viral marketing stuff, is going to be so incredible that they'll have to issue fresh pants at the door.

:up:

[Saves The Day]

Not a huge fan of the way hes looking at this point, really the worst scenario has come true, where there is just some guy who puts on clown makeup and calls himself the Joker. Thats not the real JOker to me.

[Milkman95]

Naturally I'm hoping so, too, but I don't want to get my mind set on one thing only to have the rug pulled out from under me. Whatever happens, I love the look of this Joker, and the characterization, if it's anything even resembling what we're getting in the viral marketing stuff, is going to be so incredible that they'll have to issue fresh pants at the door.

:up:

I agree. The natural reaction is to be skeptical - but from what I've seen of this marketing so far, they've nailed this character better than '89 ALREADY.

[Keyser Sushi]

This is true. However we did get a bang up ending :up:

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2807/theknifeee4.jpg

The only thing that really bugs me about this photo...and I think it may just be a combination of the angle and Heath having dark eyes (his eye colour, not the panda) is that we can't see his eyes. They almost look closed. him having a much more direct stare would make it far more creepy for me.

That said, taking this into consideration with the spy pics does make me think that overall he's looking good :)

I think his eyes are closed. When I look at it, I see a man caught in a sort of erotic moment of preparing to mutilate this beautiful girl.

One almost fears that he is sporting wood.

[Keyser Sushi]

Not a huge fan of the way hes looking at this point, really the worst scenario has come true, where there is just some guy who puts on clown makeup and calls himself the Joker. Thats not the real JOker to me.

Overreact much?

[Saves The Day]

Although I do like his characterization up to this point

[Tempest19]

Yes!

[Tempest19]

I hate this time-travel thing. :(

[Saves The Day]

Overreact much?


Just stating an opinion, is that over reacting in your book?

[Saves The Day]

Just because it dosen't match with yours does not mean it is over reacting

[Watson]

I think his eyes are closed. When I look at it, I see a man caught in a sort of erotic moment of preparing to mutilate this beautiful girl.

One almost fears that he is sporting wood.

Um...now I am very very creeped out.

However, that does remind me that one of the inspirations for this Joker is supposed to be from the Killing Joke. With that in mind, your characterization would be spot on for Ledger's Joker.

[Keyser Sushi]

Just stating an opinion, is that over reacting in your book?

Just because it dosen't match with yours does not mean it is over reacting

Yes because you don't know that the Joker paints his face white. There's nothing in this photo that proves that definitively. Especially since we have heard many times from sources we trust, that he does not.

Therefore, you're being a Chicken Little. And nobody likes a Chicken Little. Allow me to introduce myself. I am Cock Big. :o

[Crook]

Um...now I am very very creeped out.

However, that does remind me that one of the inspirations for this Joker is supposed to be from the Killing Joke. With that in mind, your characterization would be spot on for Ledger's Joker.
That characterization is spot-on for pretty much any Joker. :huh:

[Keyser Sushi]

Um...now I am very very creeped out.

However, that does remind me that one of the inspirations for this Joker is supposed to be from the Killing Joke. With that in mind, your characterization would be spot on for Ledger's Joker.

And that, my dear, is my point. :cool:

It's a VERY creepy picture when you look at it that way!

[MAKIEVELLI]

I think his eyes are closed. When I look at it, I see a man caught in a sort of erotic moment of preparing to mutilate this beautiful girl.

One almost fears that he is sporting wood.

Great, or perverted minds should I say, think alike.

[Saves The Day]

IF your trying to start conflict your doing a great job, I am stating my opinion and I really couldn't care what you have to say about it. From the look of the picture, Joker's face appears to be covered in a very light face paint, even if his face is not painted on, his skin is not bleached white, and that is really the way I would prefer to see the joker. Understand?

[Joker'sHenchman]

Joker for Halloween, anyone?

[Keyser Sushi]

IF your trying to start conflict your doing a great job, I am stating my opinion and I really couldn't care what you have to say about it. From the look of the picture, Joker's face appears to be covered in a very light face paint, even if his face is not painted on, his skin is not bleached white, and that is really the way I would prefer to see the joker. Understand?

We have been told time and time again that his skin is white - the neck is painted. The face is not.

The reason the face is not pure white is because they wanted it to have some tone - as though there is blood pumping beneath his skin - as there is, I hope, beneath yours.

[Crook]

We have been told time and time again that his skin is white - the neck is painted. The face is not.
That's really something that's still not completely confirmed. It's best to take things here at face-value.

Better to be surprised, than disappointed.

[Axtech]

Therefore, you're being a Chicken Little. And nobody likes a Chicken Little. Allow me to introduce myself. I am Cock Big. :o

hahahaha, nice

[sglass03]

Joker is "not what he seems"

- Miranda (and Anjow)

[Watson]

That characterization is spot-on for pretty much any Joker. :huh:

I'd disagree. The Killing Joke, because of what he does to Barbara Gordon, emphasizes that the Joker is both physically and sexually threatening, which IMO is very creepy. Not all Joker's have that to the same degree. Some characterizations I would argue are very asexual. The pic and Keyser's spec suggest that to some degree however that TDK Joker will share that characteristic with the Killing Joke one.

[Saves The Day]

http://unco.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31063802&id=42101942


That is what the joker should really look like

[Saves The Day]

That's really something that's still not completely confirmed. It's best to take things here at face-value.

Better to be surprised, than disappointed.


Completely agree with you, more like big chicken, little cock

[Fresh Tendrils]

Me thinks the new picture is from the "party" scene The Joker crashes in the penthouse. Its just a guess though.

[donk70]

http://unco.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31063802&id=42101942


That is what the joker should really look like
A red x?

[Keyser Sushi]

That's really something that's still not completely confirmed. It's best to take things here at face-value.

Better to be surprised, than disappointed.

I agree 100%, but by the same token there is no need to freak out since we know exactly nothing for certain.

[Tempest19]

http://unco.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31063802&id=42101942


That is what the joker should really look like

Im srry but I don't want Joker to look like a blue small box with a question mark on it.:oldrazz:

[Saves The Day]

Well ****, whats the best way to post a picture on this?

[The Sage]

He put Nolan onto Batman when they were younger apparently, he's the comic book geek of the 2. He consulted on Begins for ages, he's consulted on all of them, but only credited for Memento's story and Prestige's screenplay



Didn't know. That's pretty cool. Probably means despite how we feel about the visual takes on the characters, the characterizations themselves will probably be close to accurate.

[Saves The Day]

I agree 100%, but by the same token there is no need to freak out since we know exactly nothing for certain.


Who's freaking out?
and who's stating the obvious?

[Saves The Day]

Im srry but I don't want Joker to look like a blue small box with a question mark on it.:oldrazz:


I DO!

[Keyser Sushi]

Well ****, whats the best way to post a picture on this?

I would tell you, but after your last post there's no way I can do it and not be condescending.

[Tempest19]

I DO!

Then there is no more hope for you, you sad sad little man. :o

- Toy Story (part of it)

[Saves The Day]

I would tell you, but after your last post there's no way I can do it and not be condescending.


Thats okay, its better not to start something you cant finish anyway

[Beanjuice]

lol just messin around, i joker-ized myself


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/dsr55/l_79f75b3b8a9440ea179557b74c25b442.jpg

[ABleedingCorpse]

From what I see, the fleshy spots on his face and the black eye paint, it's almost like he does have white flesh in an unbalanced tone. As for the spy pics that don't have this detail to it, it could mean that he does use white make-up to even things out. Over all, The Joker looks creepy and disturbing all the way. Which is a +5 in my book.

He could very well be perma-white, but not exactly what we're thinking perma white means. See the fleshy spots? His skin could act very un-even with the chemical bath idea. Like how using acne cream does on skin. I notice the flesh tone around the cut-smile and that could be due to scaring. Something about this image has me very uneasy. Just the way the white, the red, and the flesh tone mesh together. Somethings going on with it, I just can't place my finger on it.

But the make-up/white-skin thing is secondary to all this now. It's going to be Heath's acting and skills of playing The Joker that really matters when it comes down to it. I'm pretty sure Heath's going to blow us all away when we see him on screen. Weither or not the image works well with his acting is yet to be seen. But from the new pictures, That is THE JOKER! He's scary to even look at. Him with Rachel, the knift threating to slit her. He looks like he's just admirring what he's about to do. (I hope he actually does what he wants to do to Rachel, but The Batman always finds a way to intervien)

[Keyser Sushi]

Who's freaking out?

OH NOEZ!!! TEh jokAR is the pa1nt3d! :hate hate hate:

and who's stating the obvious?

You're being a Chicken Little.


I think the facts speak for themselves.

[Crook]

I'd disagree. The Killing Joke, because of what he does to Barbara Gordon, emphasizes that the Joker is both physically and sexually threatening, which IMO is very creepy. Not all Joker's have that to the same degree. Some characterizations I would argue are very asexual. The pic and Keyser's spec suggest that to some degree however that TDK Joker will share that characteristic with the Killing Joke one.
Joker being written as asexual doesn't necessarily mean he still can't enjoy his vicious acts. I take it more of as a "substitute" for sexual pleasure.

I'd argue that no matter what take Joker is written in, sadism is that one constant found in all characterizations.

[Saves The Day]

Yeah cause I said those things......nope

[sglass03]

Me thinks the new picture is from the "party" scene The Joker crashes in the penthouse. Its just a guess though.

I think you're right. There was a spy/rumor report a while back that stated Joker crashes the party, demands to see Dent (thinking he's Batman), and then kidnaps Rachel (or at the very least, grabs/threatens her.)

[Saves The Day]

Did you get the post about you and the big chicken, little cock?

[Keyser Sushi]

Thats okay, its better not to start something you cant finish anyway

Ha ha ha.

[Saves The Day]

I thought that was funny

[Keyser Sushi]

Did you get the post about you and the big chicken, little cock?

I would tell you, but after your last post there's no way I can do it and not be condescending.

...:o

[Saves The Day]

From what I see, the fleshy spots on his face and the black eye paint, it's almost like he does have white flesh in an unbalanced tone. As for the spy pics that don't have this detail to it, it could mean that he does use white make-up to even things out. Over all, The Joker looks creepy and disturbing all the way. Which is a +5 in my book.

He could very well be perma-white, but not exactly what we're thinking perma white means. See the fleshy spots? His skin could act very un-even with the chemical bath idea. Like how using acne cream does on skin. I notice the flesh tone around the cut-smile and that could be due to scaring. Something about this image has me very uneasy. Just the way the white, the red, and the flesh tone mesh together. Somethings going on with it, I just can't place my finger on it.

But the make-up/white-skin thing is secondary to all this now. It's going to be Heath's acting and skills of playing The Joker that really matters when it comes down to it. I'm pretty sure Heath's going to blow us all away when we see him on screen. Weither or not the image works well with his acting is yet to be seen. But from the new pictures, That is THE JOKER! He's scary to even look at. Him with Rachel, the knift threating to slit her. He looks like he's just admirring what he's about to do. (I hope he actually does what he wants to do to Rachel, but The Batman always finds a way to intervien)


I was thinking the same thing

[Saves The Day]

k.................

[Tempest19]

Im srry but I don't want Joker to look like a blue small box with a question mark on it.:oldrazz:

I DO!

Joker according to Saves the Day:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4945/jokingjj9.jpg

Srry dude, I couldn't resist!

http://www.britfilms.tv/images/news/joker.jpg

[Watson]

Joker being written as asexual doesn't necessarily mean he still can't enjoy his vicious acts. I take it more of as a "substitute" for sexual pleasure.

I'd argue that no matter what take Joker is written in, sadism is that one constant found in all characterizations.

I absolutely agree on those points. I was just pointing out that they seem to be choosing to be more explicit about the sexual undertones...or rather I can assume that from spec/picture.

Paging Dr. Freud over here...

[Saves The Day]

Joker according to Saves the Day:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4945/jokingjj9.jpg

Srry dude, I couldn't resist!

http://www.britfilms.tv/images/news/joker.jpg


I like it man, keep up the good work

[gnisis]

Greetings good people. I'm new to posting, but I've been following these boards for a long time. I've gotten a lot of good info from you folks and I appreciate it.

I was wondering if anyone looked up the code violations based on the Joker's case file from today's WSS site? I did some quick searching and based my findings on the California legal system. After reading the descriptions these offenses seem right in line with the Joker. I'm not sure what other state to explore (Cali does make sense, but Illinois would make even more sense).

Oh yeah, if this was posted already don't bite my head off. I did search the forum but I didn't come up with anything.

[Saves The Day]

my box was actually red though, you have strayed way to far from the source material.......I will just call you nolan from now on

[Mr. Socko]

Nolan just flat out sucks, so does Heath, he will be teh sucky in this role. Damn them all why couldn't they use someone who is really like the Joker:


































http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1751/michaeljacksonjokerkl8.jpg


:oldrazz:

[Keyser Sushi]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Joker2.jpg

http://www.seanbaby.com/hostess/images/v2joker03.jpg

http://data-allocine.blogomaniac.fr/mdata/4/7/8/Z20050313212430647991874/img/vlcsnap-187502.jpg

http://whysoserious.com/images/theknife.jpg

These all kinda have a bunch of stuff in common. :o

[Spade]

I swear to God, that new pic of the Joker could be the next "You Gonna Get Raped" meme/ pic for this year.

[Watson]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Joker2.jpg

http://www.seanbaby.com/hostess/images/v2joker03.jpg

http://data-allocine.blogomaniac.fr/mdata/4/7/8/Z20050313212430647991874/img/vlcsnap-187502.jpg

http://whysoserious.com/images/theknife.jpg

These all kinda have a bunch of stuff in common. :o

LIES! Where are the hostess fruit pies in the rest :o?

[Mr. Socko]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Joker2.jpg

http://www.seanbaby.com/hostess/images/v2joker03.jpg

http://data-allocine.blogomaniac.fr/mdata/4/7/8/Z20050313212430647991874/img/vlcsnap-187502.jpg

http://whysoserious.com/images/theknife.jpg

These all kinda have a bunch of stuff in common. :o

ba da da da da

I'm lovin' it!

[itsthebatman]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Joker2.jpg

http://www.seanbaby.com/hostess/images/v2joker03.jpg

http://data-allocine.blogomaniac.fr/mdata/4/7/8/Z20050313212430647991874/img/vlcsnap-187502.jpg

http://whysoserious.com/images/theknife.jpg

These all kinda have a bunch of stuff in common. :o
They like pies? Are you saying Ledger is 'teh puffy'?

[kytrigger]

LIES! Where are the hostess fruit pies in the rest :o?
that's what he's doing with the knife. He's slicing them for her like a true gentleman

[sasquatchs]

They like pies? Are you saying Ledger is 'teh puffy'?

Isn't it 3:47 in the morning where you are? It's 3:47 where I am too, but that's not the point.

It almost looks like they're about to dance in that pic

[Keyser Sushi]

LIES! Where are the hostess fruit pies in the rest :o?

They like pies? Are you saying Ledger is 'teh puffy'?

TEOL.

*snuggles*

(That goes for both of you, I'm feeling generous). ;)

[Fresh Tendrils]

LMAO @ the product placement.

[Keyser Sushi]

Isn't it 3:47 in the morning where you are? It's 3:47 where I am too, but that's not the point.

It almost looks like they're about to dance in that pic

"Beauty, and the beast... of course, if anyone else calls you beast, I'll rip their lungs out!"

[itsthebatman]

Isn't it 3:47 in the morning where you are? It's 3:47 where I am too, but that's not the point.

It almost looks like they're about to dance in that pic
I'm doing an overnight shift and things have quietened down.
What's your excuse, Bigfoot?

[Watson]

that's what he's doing with the knife. He's slicing them for her like a true gentleman

Cherry or apple?

TEOL.

*snuggles*

(That goes for both of you, I'm feeling generous). ;)

Shaweet!

[kytrigger]

Cherry or apple?



Shaweet!

Does it matter when both have a real fruit filling wrapped in a light, tender, delicous crust?

[sasquatchs]

I'm doing an overnight shift and things have quietened down.
What's your excuse, Bigfoot?


:wolverine . These emoticons have the emotional range of the Hulk

Insomnia, guilt, coffee, heat, boredom.

I don't understand Joker's look anymore, he looks different everytime, whether it's on purpose or not I don't know. He's way more recognisable as Ledger in this pic

[Tempest19]

my box was actually red though, you have strayed way to far from the source material.......I will just call you nolan from now on

Different computer- different icon. You really aren't that bright, are you?

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8125/11hj3.jpg

And for pic:

URL CODE

[itsthebatman]

that's what he's doing with the knife. He's slicing them for her like a true gentleman
JOKER: Here's you hostess fruit pie, my love.
RACHEL: Why, thank you Joker. You may be a sadistic psychopath with a penchant for the bizarre, but you sure do know your pastries!

[ABleedingCorpse]

I swear to God, that new pic of the Joker could be the next "You Gonna Get Raped" meme/ pic for this year.


HAHAHHAHAHA..YOU ARE SO *****IN' RIGHT!!! "Rape is never funny. UNLESS YOU'RE BEING RAPED BY A CLOWN!":woot:

*On a personal note, I do not think rape is at all funny*

[Keyser Sushi]

Shaweet!


:heart: :cwink:

[Watson]

JOKER: Here's you hostess fruit pie, my love.
RACHEL: Why, thank you Joker. You may be a sadistic psychopath with a penchant for the bizarre, but you sure do know your pastries!

He'll be glad to have his fruit pies when Batman finally catches him and he's carried away in the paddy wagon!

:joker:

[itsthebatman]

:wolverine

Insomnia, guilt, coffee, heat, boredom.

I don't understand Joker's look anymore, he looks different everytime, whether it's on purpose or not I don't know. He's way more recognisable as Ledger in this pic
Insomnia? Check.
Coffee? Check.
Heat? Check.
Boredom? Check.
But guilt? How does guilt compel you to spend time on an internet forum?:huh:
Just askin', Abominable Snowmans.

[itsthebatman]

TEOL.

*snuggles*

(That goes for both of you, I'm feeling generous). ;)
You don't have wood, do you?

[Keyser Sushi]

You don't have wood, do you?

That depends entirely on what Dr. Watson is wearing. :ninja:

[itsthebatman]

That depends entirely on what Dr. Watson is wearing. :ninja:
Get. The. Hell. Away. Fom. Me.

[sasquatchs]

It's personal. Guilt that none of you would get to hear my amazing opinions otherwise :oldrazz:

[Watson]

Different computer- different icon. You really aren't that bright, are you?

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8125/11hj3.jpg

And for pic:

URL CODE

That's what happens when you go on probation?

How embarassing

Does it matter when both have a real fruit filling wrapped in a light, tender, delicous crust?

Not at all.

You don't have wood, do you?

That depends entirely on what Dr. Watson is wearing. :ninja:

Settle down you two. Let's all get back to the topic at hand...fruit pies and clown rape.

[Milkman95]

Damn Sas, you're still up?

The comparisons between Heath and Jack are naturally going to happen, but based on what happened with Bale, I think Heath will be well respected because of the source material.

[itsthebatman]

It's personal. Guilt that none of you would get to hear my amazing opinions otherwise :oldrazz:
Ah, yes. You would be depriving us of the benefit of years of wisdom.
I salute your selflessness, good sir!
So, your thoughts on this campaign, and the new pic?

[Tempest19]

That's what happens when you go on probation?

How embarassing

Huh????

[sasquatchs]

Ah, yes. You would be depriving us of the benefit of years of wisdom.
I salute your selflessness, good sir!
So, your thoughts on this campaign, and the new pic?

Its good and stuff, like, yea

[TheCosmonaut]

Wow. I've missed a lot, apparently.

[Watson]

Huh????

The title under saves the days name...I quoted it

[Tempest19]

Oh, wow, lol- I didn't see that. Didn't know exactly what you were referring to- then I looked and saw that. Lol.

[strikezone89]

i love the way this joker is going to look.
very very realastic

[Amazing Afroman]

ba da da da da

I'm lovin' it!
Indeed!

[itsthebatman]

Its good and stuff, like, yea
I don't know why I bother. After my carefully considered response last night when you asked my opinion on the leaked YouTube trailer, and that's the best you can come up with?
Drink some more coffe, find out some more filming news, and then begone from my sight until you have something of note (say, Heath Ledger possibly jumping). Begone, I tell you!

[Tempest19]

Agh!!!!!! Can someone tell me what the FCK is up with this time traveling ****? It's really weird.

[Mr. Socko]

Yeah it's a stupid glitch

[Keyser Sushi]

Get. The. Hell. Away. Fom. Me.

:csad:

[ABleedingCorpse]

http://C:\Documents and Settings\Ward\My Documents\My Pictures\joker rachel raped.jpg

[itsthebatman]

:csad:
If you, you know, are packin' heat. Get that thing away from me, wave it in the appropriate direction. Otherwise, it's all gravy.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Agh!!!!!! Can someone tell me what the FCK is up with this time traveling ****? It's really weird.

Maybe this guy knows:

http://pimpsofgore.com/untitled/back.jpg

[Keyser Sushi]

That's what happens when you go on probation?

How embarassing

LOL, when did Trolls The Day get probation? Hahahahaha!

And yes, it is. :o

Settle down you two. Let's all get back to the topic at hand...fruit pies and clown rape.

See, here I am swinging lumber and then you had to go and say "clown rape." :(

[Keyser Sushi]

If you, you know, are packin' heat. Get that thing away from me, wave it in the appropriate direction. Otherwise, it's all gravy.

TEOL.

[itsthebatman]

TEOL.
Indeed. *tickles crotch* would have been inappropriate.

[Milkman95]

What's great is this is just the beginning - if you think this marketing campaign is outstanding now, wait until next year.

So far, even though different (which turned out great in BB), this production looks outstanding, especially Heath.

[Keyser Sushi]

Indeed. *tickles crotch* would have been inappropriate.

Horribly.

[hegele]

Here is my opinion of what The Joker will be like in The Dark Knight. In three stages...

stage one: The Joker is a criminal who leaves cards and wears clown masks with his crew. During a bank robbery, the batman somehow lashes his face.

stage two: The deformation left him with a sadistic sense of humor. A year or so later he reemerges dressed and painted like a clown. He becomes obsessed with hysteria and anarchy in Gotham, he also becomes incredibly interested in the batman, all this with a sense of humor that his goons don't even get. Somehow at the end of The Dark Knight, around the same time Harvey Dent is scarred, the batman brawls with him and ends up throwing in chlorine or chemicals. Batman barely escapes. Gordan says something to batman along the lines of "before- the crime in this city could be bought, is was part of an organization you helped bring down.... They are all dead. Now Gotham is left with maniacs. Men that the cops can't understand... but they think you do. They believe you can... and you only made them bleed." The End.

stage three: The Joker makes his return in the third Nolan Batman film. Now completely pale head to toe, his red lipstick stained only around his lips and faintly around his gash, the dark around his eyes diffused a bit but permanent, the bleached green hair, also permanent. His white face, now scarred, looks grayish. He becomes more obsessed with the batman and has little recollection of his life before the dark knight entered Gotham.

This would leave the hype around what the Joker would look like in the third equal or greater to the hype he holds now. Fun times.

[Watson]

LOL, when did Trolls The Day get probation? Hahahahaha!

And yes, it is. :o



See, here I am swinging lumber and then you had to go and say "clown rape." :(

mwhahaha.

alright im off. Night all!

[Keyser Sushi]

What's great is this is just the beginning - if you think this marketing campaign is outstanding now, wait until next year.

So far, even though different (which turned out great in BB), this production looks outstanding, especially Heath.

Agreed. :up:

As far as I'm concerned, last night when Joker said "Starting tonight, people will die," that's a sign.

It says that this the beginning. Today we get the "deaths" of the guy on the phone and the contest winner. It's only going to get bigger from here on in.

He is, after all, a man of his word. :joker:

[Keyser Sushi]

mwhahaha.

alright im off. Night all!

G'nite! :)

[Milkman95]

I think I've got an hour left in me - plus, I'm watching BB right now......

[itsthebatman]

G'nite! :)
Why the avvy change, Master Sushi?

[DarthSkywalker]

You know for all the talk about who should of played the Joker, I was wondering if anyone else thinks that Ledger was chosen because he is such a blank slate? Someone that Nolan can warp into his vision. Listening to the voice, it is nothing like Ledger. Everyone else would of been themselves. Deep, Glover, Bettany, etc.

[Keyser Sushi]

Why the avvy change, Master Sushi?

I hit 6000 posts, earned a larger one. I'd had Wakko a long time. It was time for a change.

And I've always liked Animal. :)

[Crook]

You know for all the talk about who should of played the Joker, I was wondering if anyone else thinks that Ledger was chosen because he is such a blank slate? Someone that Nolan can warp into his vision. Listening to the voice, it is nothing like Ledger. Everyone else would of been themselves. Deep, Glover, Bettany, etc.
You're guessing like hell.

[Milkman95]

Okay, let's keep guessing then - Ledger is the decoy Joker, AMH is the real Joker pulling the strings.....

[DarthSkywalker]

You're guessing like hell.

What? Not sure exactly what you mean.

[Keyser Sushi]

You know for all the talk about who should of played the Joker, I was wondering if anyone else thinks that Ledger was chosen because he is such a blank slate? Someone that Nolan can warp into his vision. Listening to the voice, it is nothing like Ledger. Everyone else would of been themselves. Deep, Glover, Bettany, etc.

Not in exactly those terms, but sure. Nolan said from the beginning that Ledger is a fearless actor.

Ledger in his turn said Joker is a shark. "A fearless shark."

I think that, in effect, had Depp, or Glover, particularly, done the role they would have played it their way, as you say. Their same ol' "crazy" recipe. With Ledger... I wouldn't say he's a blank slate, he's a talented actor with a good resume behind him. But he's never done a role quite like this, and that means that he has to create something, to do something he's never done, instead of falling back on an old pattern like some of those other guys would have.

So in effect - I niggle over the wording, but I agree with the principle. :up:

[Keyser Sushi]

Okay, let's keep guessing then - Ledger is the decoy Joker, AMH is the real Joker pulling the strings.....

LOL. No.

[Milkman95]

LOL. No.

I know, just screwing around......the few twists in the film are going to be much bigger than that.

[Spade]

The twist is that the Joker's face is actually a mask that reveals Rachel underneath. She put a mask on Dent that looked like her to fool everyone, then cut her face because Batman's kinky like that.

[Axtech]

Joker's Bruce Wayne from the future? Who's with me? What, no-one?

That would explain why the Joker is screwing around with our post and making them do the timewarp.

edit: see?

[sasquatchs]

Joker's Bruce Wayne from the future? Who's with me? What, no-one?

[Keyser Sushi]

I know, just screwing around......the few twists in the film are going to be much bigger than that.

Milk, friend... I know you well enough to know that. :)

[salo120]

Ledger laughs last, lemmings.
http://www.whysoserious.com/audio/laughter.mp3

[DarthSkywalker]

Not in exactly those terms, but sure. Nolan said from the beginning that Ledger is a fearless actor.

Ledger in his turn said Joker is a shark. "A fearless shark."

I think that, in effect, had Depp, or Glover, particularly, done the role they would have played it their way, as you say. Their same ol' "crazy" recipe. With Ledger... I wouldn't say he's a blank slate, he's a talented actor with a good resume behind him. But he's never done a role quite like this, and that means that he has to create something, to do something he's never done, instead of falling back on an old pattern like some of those other guys would have.

So in effect - I niggle over the wording, but I agree with the principle. :up:

Well that is kind of what I meant. You just did it a whole lot better.

[Mr. Socko]

that's well put.

[Crook]

What? Not sure exactly what you mean.
I'm saying that with Bettany, and ESPECIALLY Depp, they too would have embodied the role and made it their own. They're not the Nicholson/Denzel type of actor at all.

[itsthebatman]

I hit 6000 posts, earned a larger one. I'd had Wakko a long time. It was time for a change.

And I've always liked Animal. :)
Fair enough. But are you sure that it's not because, on some level, avvy changes frighten you, and you wanted your enemies (e.g. Trolls the Day), to share your dread?

[Crook]

But he's never done a role quite like this, and that means that he has to create something, to do something he's never done, instead of falling back on an old pattern like some of those other guys would have.
What patterns have Bettany or Depp displayed in their roles? I haven't exactly seen them do "crazy" multiple times in movies, no less the same way.

[itsthebatman]

I'm saying that with Bettany, and ESPECIALLY Depp, they too would have embodied the role and made it their own. They're not the Nicholson/Denzel type of actor at all.
Especially NOT Depp. I find it hard to watch his new stuff without thinking 'It's wacky Johnny Depp doing wacky stuff.' When's he gonna do something like Donnie Brasco again?

[Crook]

Especially NOT Depp. I find it hard to watch his new stuff without thinking 'It's wacky Johnny Depp doing wacky stuff.' When's he gonna do something like Donnie Brasco again?
He's played quirky characters, but I would hardly simplify his roles as "Depp plays whacky guy doing whacky things".

By that token, Bale plays "disturbed guy, doing disturbing acts" in all his movies.

:huh:

[salo120]

Especially NOT Depp. I find it hard to watch his new stuff without thinking 'It's wacky Johnny Depp doing wacky stuff.'

...he's not exactly Adam Sandler.

[itsthebatman]

He's played quirky characters, but I would hardly simplify his roles as "Depp plays whacky guy doing whacky things".

By that token, Bale plays "disturbed guy, doing disturbing acts" in all his movies.

:huh:
I dunno, I just think he relies on his charm and humour too much, instaed of using the undoubted acting ability he has. I do think he's played a lot of very similar roles in a similar manner thoughout his career, and I think his Joker would not have been as much of a surprise as Ledger's could be, in the way that Nicholson's was not that far removed from just another crazy Nicholson role.
Nicholson rocks, btw.

[Keyser Sushi]

Fair enough. But are you sure that it's not because, on some level, avvy changes frighten you, and you wanted your enemies (e.g. Trolls the Day), to share your dread?

TEOL!!!! :D

[itsthebatman]

...he's not exactly Adam Sandler.
I never said he was. Pacino, for instance. Great actor. Love his stuff. But you just know that these days he's going to OVERACT HIS WAY THROUGH THE ENTIRE BLOODY FILM. His performances do not vary from film to film the way they used to. Still a great bloody actor, though.

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't know. Ed Wood, Captain Jack, Willy Wonka, etc. all feel a lot like his character from Benny and Joon.

[Crook]

I do think he's played a lot of very similar roles in a similar manner thoughout his career
Which?

and I think his Joker would not have been as much of a surprise as Ledger's could be, in the way that Nicholson's was not that far removed from just another crazy Nicholson role.
Well I don't know about that. His 2 latest "weird" roles, that being Wonka and Sparrow, are similar in their outspoken personalities with quirky mannerisms. However, would I go as far as to say they were the same? Heck no. Imo, he completely embodied both characters by adding an original spin, and I have no doubt he would have done the same for Joker.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Especially NOT Depp. I find it hard to watch his new stuff without thinking 'It's wacky Johnny Depp doing wacky stuff.' When's he gonna do something like Donnie Brasco again?

Terrific movie that I happen to be watching.

[salo120]

I never said he was. Pacino, for instance. Great actor. Love his stuff. But you just know that these days he's going to OVERACT HIS WAY THROUGH THE ENTIRE BLOODY FILM. His performances do not vary from film to film the way they used to. Still a great bloody actor, though.

I hear ya. I was just bustin' ya balls a little bit. EH. I agree with what you've posted. Ledger does have somewhat of a clean slate - as opposed to the others - which, to me at least, could serve to make his version of the Joker 'iconic' if he turns in as good a performance as what's being hinted at. I have to agree that if someone like Depp was in the role of Mr. J, it wouldn't be too far of a stretch from what he usually does, however this is going to challenge Ledger, and we'll get a version of the Joker that stands apart from the rest without too much pre-existing influence. I have to agree that I was hesitant about Ledger's competency as an actor in this particular role, but I'm happy to admit that I'm hopeful now.

[DarthSkywalker]

You know an actor plays himself when people go to see a film for that actor. I love Depp though.

[itsthebatman]

Which?


Well I don't know about that. His 2 latest "weird" roles, that being Wonka and Sparrow, are similar in their outspoken personalities with quirky mannerisms. However, would I go as far as to say they were the same? Heck no. Imo, he completely embodied both characters by adding an original spin, and I have no doubt he would have done the same for Joker.
I'll put it this way: I THINK that, if Depp had gotten the role, I would have been thinking 'There's Johnny Depp playing the Joker' during the movie, and this not just because he's a big name actor, but because he plays a certaing (broad) quirky character type. With Ledger, his recent CV seem smore varied in the type of roles he has played, so I don't have nay inkling of how he will play the role, and think there is more chance of me forgetting that it is Ledger playing the joker, I will just think 'There's Joker.'

[itsthebatman]

Terrific movie that I happen to be watching.
Damn straight. And, fo once, Pacino doesn't SHOUT THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH.

[The Sage]

You know an actor plays himself when people go to see a film for that actor. I love Depp though.

So that means when I go see a movie because Christian Bale is in it, that means I'm going to see Bale play himself. You know, like he was playing himself in The Machinist, Batman Begins, The Prestige, and the upcoming Rescue Dawn....

[creamyiraq]

I am totally into the Joker now. This whole viral campaign reflects that he's definitely a complete nutter, and that is awesome! I can't wait for more Joker stuffs!

[Keyser Sushi]

Depp is an extremely talented actor. But getting him to play crazy now is like getting Wayne Knight to play fat.

[Crook]

You know an actor plays himself when people go to see a film for that actor. I love Depp though.
I disagree with that. People go to see a movie because of actor because either they are huge fans, or because every movie associated with that person has been good.

I won't hesitate to see any movie with Bale, Damon, DiCaprio, or Depp...and I wouldn't say any of those guys ham in the same ol' performance.

I'll put it this way: I THINK that, if Depp had gotten the role, I would have been thinking 'There's Johnny Depp playing the Joker' during the movie, and this not just because he's a big name actor, but because he plays a certaing (broad) quirky character type. With Ledger, his recent CV seem smore varied in the type of roles he has played, so I don't have nay inkling of how he will play the role, and think there is more chance of me forgetting that it is Ledger playing the joker, I will just think 'There's Joker.'
Fair enough. I'll agree that Ledger is a literal wild-card, but I still think Depp would've done something new, regardless of how many quirky roles he has done.

[itsthebatman]

So that means when I go see a movie because Christian Bale is in it, that means I'm going to see Bale play himself. You know, like he was playing himself in The Machinist, Batman Begins, The Prestige, and the upcoming Rescue Dawn....
All true stories, based on actual events in his life.

[itsthebatman]

I disagree with that. People go to see a movie because of actor because either they are huge fans, or because every movie associated with that person has been good.

I won't hesitate to see any movie with Bale, Damon, DiCaprio, or Depp...and I wouldn't say any of those guys ham in the same ol' performance.


Fair enough. I'll agree that Ledger is a literal wild-card, but I still think Depp would've done something new, regardless of how many quirky roles he has done.
Grand. Jesus, reading my quote in your post, it amazes me how many typoes I make. Must reread posts before sending them.

[DarthSkywalker]

So that means when I go see a movie because Christian Bale is in it, that means I'm going to see Bale play himself. You know, like he was playing himself in The Machinist, Batman Begins, The Prestige, and the upcoming Rescue Dawn....

If you walk into a film without knowing much about then yes.

I saw the Prestige to see the ensemble. I am going to watch Rescue Dawn because the director has made two of my favorite films. The Machinist and American Psycho however was because I wanted to see Bale.

[BatoutofHell]

Depp is an extremely talented actor. But getting him to play crazy now is like getting Wayne Knight to play fat.

http://www.bobkestrut.com/images/newman.jpg

Newman>Bob Sacamano

[Crook]

If you walk into a film without knowing much about then yes.
How the hell did you come up with this conclusion?

[The Sage]

All true stories, based on actual events in his life.

Wow! Batman is based on a real character!! :eek:

If you walk into a film without knowing much about then yes.

I saw the Prestige to see the ensemble. I am going to watch Rescue Dawn because the director has made two of my favorite films. The Machinist and American Psycho however was because I wanted to see Bale.

I go see Bale in movies because I know he'll put on a good performance, not to see him play himself. Same with Matt Damon.

[DarthSkywalker]

I disagree with that. People go to see a movie because of actor because either they are huge fans, or because every movie associated with that person has been good.

I won't hesitate to see any movie with Bale, Damon, DiCaprio, or Depp...and I wouldn't say any of those guys ham in the same ol' performance.


Fair enough. I'll agree that Ledger is a literal wild-card, but I still think Depp would've done something new, regardless of how many quirky roles he has done.

Well considering I think Damon is a terribly overrated actor I cannot see why anyone would go to a film to see him act. :woot:

DiCaprio is still pretty young and Bale has literally just broke in to the big time. But Depp feels almost as if he is approaching Brando after 1972. Does that mean he can't act? No Depp is an amazing actor. But he is reaching that point that everyone else does that it is more of him in the role then it should be.

The only actor I can think of that made it as big that avoided that was James Stewart. But that is because he drastically changed his roles later in his career to do so.

[Keyser Sushi]

http://www.bobkestrut.com/images/newman.jpg

Newman>Bob Sacamano

Well yeah, consider what a ****-up Bob Sacamano apparently is... :woot:

[Crook]

Well considering I think Damon is a terribly overrated actor I cannot see why anyone would go to a film to see him act. :woot:
He was absolutely fantastic in The Good Shepherd.

DiCaprio is still pretty young and Bale has literally just broke in to the big time. But Depp feels almost as if he is approaching Brando after 1972. Does that mean he can't act? No Depp is an amazing actor. But he is reaching that point that everyone else does that it is more of him in the role then it should be.
Have you actually seen the real Johnny Depp? Dude is one of the most quietest and humblest actors in Hollywood right now. A FAR cry from his more popular roles that involved very ecstatic personalities. I don't see how anyone can say he's playing himself. Next to Oldman, he's one of the best at being a chameleon.

[hegele]

Here is my opinion of what The Joker will be like in The Dark Knight. In three stages...

stage one: The Joker is a criminal who leaves cards and wears clown masks with his crew. During a bank robbery, the batman somehow lashes his face.

stage two: The deformation left him with a sadistic sense of humor. A year or so later he reemerges dressed and painted like a clown. He becomes obsessed with hysteria and anarchy in Gotham, he also becomes incredibly interested in the batman, all this with a sense of humor that his goons don't even get. Somehow at the end of The Dark Knight, around the same time Harvey Dent is scarred, the batman brawls with him and ends up throwing in chlorine or chemicals. Batman barely escapes. Gordan says something to batman along the lines of "before- the crime in this city could be bought, it was part of an organization you helped bring down.... They are all dead. Now Gotham is left with maniacs. Men that the cops can't understand... but they think you do. They believe you can... and you only made them bleed." The End.

stage three: The Joker makes his return in the third Nolan Batman film. Now completely pale head to toe, his red lipstick stained only around his lips and faintly around his gash, the dark around his eyes diffused a bit but permanent, the bleached green hair, also permanent. His white face, now scarred, looks grayish. He becomes more obsessed with the batman and has little recollection of his life before the dark knight entered Gotham.

This would leave the hype around what the Joker would look like in the third equal or greater to the hype he holds now. Fun times.

[Keyser Sushi]

Here is my opinion of what The Joker will be like in The Dark Knight. In three stages...

stage one: The Joker is a criminal who leaves cards and wears clown masks with his crew. During a bank robbery, the batman somehow lashes his face.

stage two: The deformation left him with a sadistic sense of humor. A year or so later he reemerges dressed and painted like a clown. He becomes obsessed with hysteria and anarchy in Gotham, he also becomes incredibly interested in the batman, all this with a sense of humor that his goons don't even get. Somehow at the end of The Dark Knight, around the same time Harvey Dent is scarred, the batman brawls with him and ends up throwing in chlorine or chemicals. Batman barely escapes. Gordan says something to batman along the lines of "before- the crime in this city could be bought, it was part of an organization you helped bring down.... They are all dead. Now Gotham is left with maniacs. Men that the cops can't understand... but they think you do. They believe you can... and you only made them bleed." The End.

stage three: The Joker makes his return in the third Nolan Batman film. Now completely pale head to toe, his red lipstick stained only around his lips and faintly around his gash, the dark around his eyes diffused a bit but permanent, the bleached green hair, also permanent. His white face, now scarred, looks grayish. He becomes more obsessed with the batman and has little recollection of his life before the dark knight entered Gotham.

This would leave the hype around what the Joker would look like in the third equal or greater to the hype he holds now. Fun times.

You posted that pages ago. :confused:

[DarthSkywalker]

How the hell did you come up with this conclusion?

Personal opinion really. I guess I probably worded it terribly.

Let me try and put it differently. I feel that whenever the masses watch a film to see a specific actor their ability to just blend into a role is gone. Even just a little. There are obvious exception of course, but unless the actor attempts to keep the roles different it doesn't happen. So in a way it is there fault. They choice roles that tailor to them.

Depp is almost always going quirky. I loved him in Finding Neverland because he seem to avoid it.

[DarthSkywalker]

He was absolutely fantastic in The Good Shepherd.


Have you actually seen the real Johnny Depp? Dude is one of the most quietest and humblest actors in Hollywood right now. A FAR cry from his more popular roles that involved very ecstatic personalities. I don't see how anyone can say he's playing himself. Next to Oldman, he's one of the best at being a chameleon.

And Oldman is almost unknown outside of film fans. Weird considering he is one of the best going and has been for 20 some odd years.

And when I say themselves it is their onscreen persona. Not usually their literal self.

[AndrewGilkison]

Ledger laughs last, lemmings.
http://www.whysoserious.com/audio/laughter.mp3

Did they record Health praticing his laugh or something?

[Doc Holliday]

Well considering I think Damon is a terribly overrated actor I cannot see why anyone would go to a film to see him act. :woot:


http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6131/mattdamongb4.jpg

[BatoutofHell]

You posted that pages ago. :confused:

If its not good enough to get a response the first time, of course it will the second...

Sorry for being a douchebag, but theres no reason to repost things.

[Spade]

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6131/mattdamongb4.jpg

Oh my God! His overwhelming range of emotion is amazing in this picture!

:cwink:

[Juanigi]

yeah so anyway, I think a central tenet of the joker is that he has a vampire-like desire to make some of his victims the same as he is, spreading his face via his venom/laughing gas, which is diminished if he's just some nutjob in paint

[Vile]

Considering this thread is over 450 pages long I'm sure someone has already said this, but...

Considering Nolan is a fan of the 'twist' ending, perhaps at the end of the film when the Joker is captured and they go to wash the face paint off only the dark around the eyes and lipstick come off...and the flesh colored neck revealing that his face (and body) really is bleached but he's been just screwing with everyone?

[Batman jr.]

Considering this thread is over 450 pages long I'm sure someone has already said this, but...

Considering Nolan is a fan of the 'twist' ending, perhaps at the end of the film when the Joker is captured and they go to wash the face paint off only the dark around the eyes and lipstick come off...and the flesh colored neck revealing that his face (and body) really is bleached but he's been just screwing with everyone?

I don't know if that's the way they'll do it, but the last part of your point is true. Visit the jowforums! :cwink:

[Vile]

I don't know if that's the way they'll do it, but the last part of your point is true. Visit the jowforums! :cwink:

*skips on over.* :woot:

[hegele]

If its not good enough to get a response the first time, of course it will the second...

Sorry for being a douchebag, but theres no reason to repost things.

actually i accidentally double posted... and i have no problem with you being a douchebag. As long as you're comfortable with it.

[dark_b]

We have been told time and time again that his skin is white - the neck is painted. The face is not.

The reason the face is not pure white is because they wanted it to have some tone - as though there is blood pumping beneath his skin - as there is, I hope, beneath yours.the question now is why is the skin under the hair nto white and why is the ear inside not white.
i trust anjow and miranda.
but i am talking about this new pic.

1 day after and the joker looks even better.

i could really care less about hte teaser. thsi pic is better then anything.

[Keymaker]

The Joker looks great in all the pictures...but my only beef is that he isn't smiling :csad:

[The Redux 714]

I got this idea bouncing around in my head a few weeks ago..wanted to know what ya'll think...

What if through the majority of the movie, Joker just wears the make-up. But, something happens in teh chemical plant, and he gets tossed into the vat of chemicals. The chemiclas mix with the crap on his face and in his hair, "staining" them.

thoughts?

[dark_b]

I got this idea bouncing around in my head a few weeks ago..wanted to know what ya'll think...

What if through the majority of the movie, Joker just wears the make-up. But, something happens in teh chemical plant, and he gets tossed into the vat of chemicals. The chemiclas mix with the crap on his face and in his hair, "staining" them.

thoughts?interesting idea.
could happen :yay:

[dark_b]

you think this is from the party?
http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/tdkjokermean.jpg

[Untilteld]

teh joker looks like he's singing to her or something lol

[Kevin Roegele]

teh joker looks like he's singing to her or something lol

If that's what you call singing, remind me never to come to one of your karaoke parties.

[Untilteld]

If that's what you call singing, remind me never to come to one of your karaoke parties.

well, I just get that vibe from the pic.

[Two-Face]

It looks like Joker going to cut Rachel's face off...

[Untilteld]

It looks like Joker going to cut Rachel's face off...

that too :woot:

[Untilteld]

I made this, lol

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8970/jokahbw4.jpg

[Batman jr.]

It looks like Joker going to cut Rachel's face off...

Joker: "so, you are Maggie.." "WHERE IS KATIE YOU *****" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "slices face open"

[Akimych]

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x197/Akimych23/joker.gif

[ABleedingCorpse]

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x197/Akimych23/joker.gif

:wow: :wow:

[Capt Throbberson]

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x197/Akimych23/joker.gif

So the Joker turned her into Cyclops?

[Akimych]

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x197/Akimych23/-3.jpg

[gwynplaine]

Laugh now, laugh later. This Joker is truly badass. I wish Bob Kane was still alive to hear his feed back. Have you ever had your face cut off by the devil under the pale moonlight ?

[Blaxje]

Did some tweaking on the contrast, saturation and Heath's mouth and smile:

http://home.aim.avans.nl/krpilask/zooi/the_joker_and_rachel.jpg
Some will see no difference, some will see the subtle changes. Looks better now imo.

[Bloodsword]

I guess only his face is white, since his neck is flesh color, as are his wrists

[ghost_x]

teh joker looks like he's singing to her or something lol

I see it like Rachel is saying something (possibly pleading) and Joker is basically patronisingly quieting 'ssshhing' her

[Hunter Rider]

What i love about the picture is the menace and threat in it,it's a terrifc shot to convey how deadly The Joker can be

[ghost_x]

^ yep, what makes it even more malevolent is how Joker is embracing the pain he is causing

[Citadel30]

Well - there goes the no gloves theory... :oldrazz:

[Smylex]

You may have seen this from me , but just incase here is the edited laugh from the whysoserious website. i just cut the pauses and rearrange it.

I hope its Mr J because it sounds great

http://www.yousendit.com/download/elNJZHluTkF1Yk0wTVE9PQ

Enjoy :woot:

[Socrates858]

That joker looks like he is smelling her fear or something, ya know like he is taking it all in and about to start laughing.
And anyone that thinks Gary Oldman is not deverse in his roles just watch The Professional then True Romance
He's the man

[Blaxje]

The reason why this picture was taken with Jokers' eyes closed, is to keep people guessing what he is doing, I think.

A picture like this is much more interesting than one with Heath's eyes open, just smiling at Rachel.

[dark_b]

Well - there goes the no gloves theory... :oldrazz:well-there goes teh he has not white hands on the set because he has gloves on theory :oldrazz:

:woot:

[sasquatchs]

What i love about the picture is the menace and threat in it,it's a terrifc shot to convey how deadly The Joker can be

I like the defiant look in Rachel's eyes too, she's not the damsel

[Mike_D202]

Does anybody else find it odd that his make up is almost different in every pic?

One of the IMAX shots has his smile reaching back to almost his ears.

The first spy pic just has flesh colored face with red lips and green hair.

[ghost_x]

Different lighting I suppose

[dark_b]

Different lighting I supposein the new pic the red paint is nto so big like in the imax pic.

[ghost_x]

If it's lipstick than maybe he can't put it on precisely the same size each time

[Alp000]

Not sure if anyone's posted the pic of the joker card, but here it is :woot:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5302/jokercardteaseris3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[dark_b]

this looks more like a devil then a clown.

[sasquatchs]

Does anybody else find it odd that his make up is almost different in every pic?

One of the IMAX shots has his smile reaching back to almost his ears.

The first spy pic just has flesh colored face with red lips and green hair.

Yea, its too different just to be the makeup dept being inconsistent each day, must reflect the Joker's mood or something.

[Gianakin_]

this looks more like a devil then a clown.

It's a clown from hell.

[darknight7]

http://www.whysoserious.com/d_rt89rrb.htm

Is that Heath's voice you think??

Even though it's REALLY DEEP, I hope it's his voice:)

--dk7

[Jacobhiggins]

http://www.whysoserious.com/d_rt89rrb.htm

Is that Heath's voice you think??

Even though it's REALLY DEEP, I hope it's his voice:)

--dk7

I think that's two face!

[Soapy]

You know...I liked pretty much everything about Nolan and Heath's Joker until I saw that new picture. His "smile" looks like he drank a bowl spaghetti o's and forgot to wipe his mouth.

[Jacobhiggins]

I don't like the idea, and I doubt it will go that way. Batman, Scarecrow and Ra's were all more or less unrecognisable at the start of Begins, but became quite representative of their classic guises by the end. Maybe The Joker will follow suit.

Well some of the joker pics are much different so his appearence does change dramatically from one spectrum to the other, the proof is in the leaked pictures!

[smatt584]

I think that's two face!
Sounds like it to me. Whether it's actually Eckhart, (which i doubt), or a lackey/voice actor used just for the website remains to be seen. Two-face is already confirmed to be in the movie (not just Dent), so it seems like a possible teaser for the character.

[Jacobhiggins]

i think it is paint afterall.
http://whysoserious.com/images/theknife.jpg

watch the part where the hair starts. if he would have white skin than under the hair the skin would still be white. but it is normal color.

Hey guys look at his smile, notice the indentation where the end of his red scar ends? It looks like he covered more scaring with make up. I bet his scard smile goes further up his face to the end of the indentation.

What do you guys think?





Actually I change my mind, I know his scar goes further up his face, the end of the scar in the picture is only half of it!

[sasquatchs]

I think that's two face!

Pretty sure its just some guy in the office of 42 Entertainment doing his best wrestler impression