The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[Acid Snowman]

I personally think green eyebrows would be silly, but having him cover his brows in makeup would remind people of Romero's 'stache.

[fcrowelle06]

you wanna hear a Joker laugh, go to the end of this video and hear a joker laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAmwx4_3M9Y

that's what I want from Heath, just as insane, hopefully he can do it

[CaptainClown]

you wanna hear a Joker laugh, go to the end of this video and hear a joker laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAmwx4_3M9Y

that's what I want from Heath, just as insane, hopefully he can do it

keep that on one thread buddy

[CaptainClown]

okey dokey

[The Dark Guybrush]

that, i did not notice! thank you for telling us.

[The Dark Guybrush]

sooooper time warpage!

[CFE]

...........umm.......................por que?

:?

CFE

[Darkness Falls]

Sorry if this has been brought up before but in all the shots of the joker we have not yet seen his evil eyes

[jimmy]

Future tense.

[fcrowelle06]

I know I just wanted everyone to see it, it's just so good, I know I'm anal, I apologize for inconvenience

[Shoemeister]

Good story. Good thread. Gooooood.

[Yurka]

wow,

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/delorean.png

[Bright Knight]

I'm confused?

[The Universal]

so i herd u liek mudkips

[Mito88]

oh.

[creamyiraq]

Time travel attacks this thread with force!

[Conebone69]

The 5th post in this thread was originally the first. Time-travel rules. :up:
Lol, can SHH fix that problem. Woah, it just did it again

[Keyser Sushi]

I'm confused?

The 5th post in this thread was originally the first. Time-travel rules. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

The 5th post in this thread was originally the first. Time-travel rules. :up:


This forum needs help.


Anyway, the fact that they're not showing his eyes makes me think they have something secret, like maybe he'll have more than normal looking evil eyes or sumthin' :ninja:

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Hi guys. I thought I would start a thread about Joker's eyes. Ok bye!

[Stringer]

Well Ledger did say its about the eyes in regards to capturing the Joker, so maybe theyre going to keep us from looking into them until we see him on screen.

[CaptainClown]

This thread is in a point where time sequence doesn't exist

OMG Christopher Nolan is doing a remake of Batman did you guys see Memento AMAZING!

[1981]

I'm just wanting to try the warp.

p.s.
the joker doesn't have eyes.

[Conebone69]

I'm just wanting to try the warp.

p.s.
the joker doesn't have eyes.
That would be awesome and creepy

[Keyser Sushi]

This forum needs help.

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Quantum_Leap/quantum_leap_image__3_.jpg

[buddybaker]

actually I brought this up earlier today

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=280385

[The Dark Guybrush]

theorizing that one could be the joker without being perma-white..
chris nolan stepped into the batman franchise.. and vanished

[SolidSnakeMGS]

actually I brought this up earlier today

Or did you?? :wow:

[thedarks0ldier]

wow! I haven't even posted this yet!
Time travel rules!

[The Dark Guybrush]

i'm going into the future.. to tell myself not to post this
i hope i'm not thwarted by the me from the future-future going BACK in time to tell myself TO post this..
if you're reading this, i didn't make it in time.

[Darkness Falls]

wait a minuite i just noticed the joker's eyes can't be seen

I must log on and bring this to attention

[Darkness Falls]

actually I brought this up earlier today

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=280385

I though it was about joker wearing contacts

[OSM]

you wanna hear a Joker laugh, go to the end of this video and hear a joker laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAmwx4_3M9Y

that's what I want from Heath, just as insane, hopefully he can do it
Holy ****, about time someone uploaded JL episodes!

[1981]

Grundy!

[Figs]

Sorry if this has been brought up before but in all the shots of the joker we have not yet seen his evil eyes


Nope, we haven't yet. I'm wanting them to make them extremely bloodshot like a number of the comics. I don't care if Heath has to actually rub the hell out of his eyes. I want them bloodshot were you can see the bood vessels/veins irritated and red. It always helped in the comics making him look that sleep deprived and psychotic.

[Mr. Socko]

If he has chemicals splashed on his face or whatever, it would logically make more sense for his eyes to change somehow as well. More than likely dim bloodshot red, so we may get that.

[1981]

i'd like to see yellow, bloodshot eyes.
not too yellow though.

[1981]

i always thought the joker with blood shot eyes would look cool

that would be a good way to visually show how pushed over the edge he is

But would he be a stoner too?

[Darkness Falls]

i always thought the joker with blood shot eyes would look cool

that would be a good way to visually show how pushed over the edge he is

[Untilteld]

Next there'll be a thread on Joker's eyebrows.

[CaptainClown]

What about Jokers teeth yellow? What kind of makeup does he use? Think he uses axe body spray?

[CaptainClown]

Ill post on it (shrug)

[Untilteld]

I think we should start a thread on his gloves, who else agrees?

[ABleedingCorpse]

But would he be a stoner too?


For some odd reason, I've always thought The Joker to be a pothead. ?? I don't know why, just thought that he did. He does laugh when things aren't funny. And I know when I've gotten stoned, I laughed at things for minutes without anything being said.

[JoeCat]

I think we should start a thread on his gloves, who else agrees?

lmao

[1981]

maybe a thread on why there are no pinstripes on his suit.

[Bright Knight]

I want to start a thread on the inside of his left ear...

It's FLESH coloured!

[Darkness Falls]

I think we should start a thread on his gloves, who else agrees?

yeah notice they're puple omg

[Untilteld]

a thread on what kind of shoes he kicks people with

[1981]

I want to start a thread on the inside of his left ear...

It's FLESH coloured!

Actually, its his right. Gotcha! Dude, we should totally start that thread. I just totally got you on that. Endless discussion.

[Untilteld]

do it 1981, make us proud.

[Bright Knight]

Actually, its his right. Gotcha! Dude, we should totally start that thread. I just totally got you on that. Endless discussion.


Teeheehee... How about you start it and i'll ***** about you starting it!?

Look... I meant his ear on the left hand side of the picture....

I mean, surely that was clear?

[Darkness Falls]

a thread on what kind of shoes he kicks people with

maybe their purple too

[Untilteld]

maybe their purple too

$10 says rainbow shoes.

[Spade]

I think we should start a thread on his gloves, who else agrees?

Don't forget his knife- it might not be knife-y enough for some people's taste. :o

[Darkness Falls]

What about the jokermobile

[The Dark Guybrush]

What about the jokermobile

it's his semi. what about it?

[1981]

that thing is fake.

[1981]

fake.

[Darkness Falls]

it's his semi. what about it?

not the semi with the Slaughter is the best medicine


the "CLOWN CAR" that looks like it's out of the 20's


http://www.joblo.com/joker-clown-car-pic

[Bright Knight]

Im pretty sure the joker mobile is the semi.

[Darkness Falls]

any real pics of joker's vehicle

[Untilteld]

not the semi with the Slaughter is the best medicine


the "CLOWN CAR" that looks like it's out of the 20's


http://www.joblo.com/joker-clown-car-pic

fake

[-Æ-]

After doing some research of characters in cinema with slit mouths I came upon some of these memorable characters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy7LnTznkks
Kuchisake-onna

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy7LnTznkks
Severed Mouth Woman

http://www.dreamwill.net/images/kakihara_toon.jpg

Kakihara from Ichi the Killer Manga

Do a google search for more pics of Kakihara from the live-action film of Ichi the Killer.

In ways the jokers slit mouth looks more grotesque due to whatever caused it wasn't as clean a cut as these characters are.

[CaptainClown]

After doing some research of characters in cinema with slit mouths I came upon some of these memorable characters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy7LnTznkks
Kuchisake-onna

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy7LnTznkks
Severed Mouth Woman

http://www.dreamwill.net/images/kakihara_toon.jpg

Kakihara from Ichi the Killer Manga

Do a google search for more pics of Kakihara from the live-action film of Ichi the Killer.

In ways the jokers slit mouth looks more grotesque due to whatever caused it wasn't as clean a cut as these characters are.
Did you get the Captain in Pans Labyrinth

[Untilteld]

wow, lol. Someone did make a thread about his eyes.

[TheGreenMeanie]

maybe a thread on why there are no pinstripes on his suit.

Oh, it will come, dont you worry.

[Spade]

The mods just need to lock all of these tangent threads and just make one unified thread on the Joker, like what they did with Venom. This board is gradually becoming all about the Joker.

[Untilteld]

The mods just need to lock all of these tangent threads and just make one unified thread on the Joker, like what they did with Venom. This board is gradually becoming all about the Joker.

I made the first The Official Venom Thread (Don't Make Anymore!) :woot:

But they merged it so it looked like some other n00b started it :csad:

[1981]

this spoiler section does need to get cleaned up. Multiple threads on the same topic.

[Nepenthes]

The mods just need to lock all of these tangent threads and just make one unified thread on the Joker, like what they did with Venom. This board is gradually becoming all about the Joker.

That's what this thread is supposed to be. Hunter Rider will get to it eventually.

[Beanjuice]

my first heath manip


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/dsr55/jokm7.jpg

[Bandyt]

Bale did say this was a Junkie Joker.

[The Empire Ape]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nolan actually thinks the Joker just wears make-up.

Who knows?!!

[gwynplaine]

We know from previous posts some of the actors who were considered for the part of Batman ( Cruddup, Kutcher etc...) Does anybody know who were some potential Joker candidates ? And I'm not talking about fan favorites like Crispin Glover (was he even ever considered ?) or Lachey Who ? The only one I heard of was Paul Bettany.

[Batman jr.]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nolan actually thinks the Joker just wears make-up.

Who knows?!!

I wouldn't be surprised if Burton actually thinks Joker likes to dance on XTC and penguin vomits black blood

Who knows?!!

[dark_b]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nolan actually thinks the Joker just wears make-up.

Who knows?!!
this post makes zero sense. from you post it is obvious that you know nothing about nolan. zero.

[Batman jr.]

this post makes zero sense. from you post it is obvious that you know nothing about nolan. zero.

He's a Burton lover, my friend.

[DeaDheaD]

We know from previous posts some of the actors who were considered for the part of Batman ( Cruddup, Kutcher etc...) Does anybody know who were some potential Joker candidates ? And I'm not talking about fan favorites like Crispin Glover (was he even ever considered ?) or Lachey Who ? The only one I heard of was Paul Bettany.

Jack Nicholson wanted to reprise it(seriously he did)
Robin Williams said he wanted to do it but i dont think Nolan had either one in mind.

[Untilteld]

my first heath manip


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/dsr55/jokm7.jpg

not bad, just the hair and lips need to be tweaked

[The Empire Ape]

this post makes zero sense. from you post it is obvious that you know nothing about nolan. zero.

Yeah, Nolan is god. He has vision and all this stuff.

But in my opinion he is just your average director.

And - by the way - Nolan himself said that he feels that the penguin is unrealistic. Well, if he knows the comic than he should know that he is the most realistic major villain. So I assume he just knows Batman Returns and the Penguin's appearances in Dark Victory. Because in any other case his comment was just stupid.

[itsthebatman]

Yeah, Nolan is god. He has vision and all this stuff.

But in my opinion he is just your average director.

And - by the way - Nolan himself said that he feels that the penguin is unrealistic. Well, if he knows the comic than he should know that he is the most realistic major villain. So I assume he just knows Batman Returns and the Penguin's appearances in Dark Victory. Because in any other case his comment was just stupid.
Good Lord no. he's the bees knees. Memento, Batman Begins and The Prestige are three of the finest films of this decade, and Memento is one of my all-time faves. Insomnia is the only one of his that I didn't really enjoy. Impressive strike rate, IMO, and TDK could just knock them out of the park.

[The Empire Ape]

Good Lord no. he's the bees knees. Memento, Batman Begins and The Prestige are three of the finest films of this decade, and Memento is one of my all-time faves. Insomnia is the only one of his that I didn't really enjoy. Impressive strike rate, IMO, and TDK could just knock them out of the park.


The movies are good. But this is because of the good scripts. His directing work is just.. average.

[Mysterio]

it's his semi. what about it?there's supposed to be another (not the manip) according to a set spy who talked with one of the crew. i think it's in the chicago thread.

[sasquatchs]

Good Lord no. he's the bees knees. Memento, Batman Begins and The Prestige are three of the finest films of this decade, and Memento is one of my all-time faves. Insomnia is the only one of his that I didn't really enjoy. Impressive strike rate, IMO, and TDK could just knock them out of the park.

Could have something to do with him not writing Insomnia. And Batman Begins' script coming from GOyer has something to do with it being the worst element of the film. His direction and the cast elevated it

[DeaDheaD]

Good Lord no. he's the bees knees. Memento, Batman Begins and The Prestige are three of the finest films of this decade, and Memento is one of my all-time faves. Insomnia is the only one of his that I didn't really enjoy. Impressive strike rate, IMO, and TDK could just knock them out of the park.

Insomnia, i thought was good, for a lower budet, but it had some damn fine acting in it.

[Nepenthes]

Insomnia is >The Prestige and I suspect if I wasn't a Batman fan it'd be Insomnia > BB as well

(oh noes I used the > sign. now I am lame)

[itsthebatman]

The movies are good. But this is because of the good scripts. His directing work is just.. average.
I have to disagree, kind sir. I thought he did a great job in Memento and The Prestige, in particular, working from good scripts by Jonathan. I love the structure he employs in the films, thought he really brought Victorian England to life in The Prestige, and delivers satisfying conclusions to his stories.
Insomnia, i thought was good, for a lower budet, but it had some damn fine acting in it.
Good Lord, yes. But the rest of it was.... meh.

[itsthebatman]

Insomnia is >The Prestige and I suspect if I wasn't a Batman fan it'd be Insomnia > BB as well

(oh noes I used the > sign. now I am lame)
I must, once again, disagree with one of my fellow members. I found The Prestige much more satisfying, as a story, acting-wise, and cinematographically more beautiful.

[sasquatchs]

Insomnia is >The Prestige and I suspect if I wasn't a Batman fan it'd be Insomnia > BB as well

(oh noes I used the > sign. now I am lame)

Prestige > Begins

There, I admitted it :csad: My secret is out

[Figs]

I still don't think I've seen Insomnia yet. Is that the one with Pacino and Williams?

[itsthebatman]

Prestige > Begins

There, I admitted it :csad: My secret is out
Stone him!

I still don't think I've seen Insomnia yet. Is that the one with Pacino and Williams?
That's the one.

[Infinity9999x]

Good Lord no. he's the bees knees. Memento, Batman Begins and The Prestige are three of the finest films of this decade, and Memento is one of my all-time faves. Insomnia is the only one of his that I didn't really enjoy. Impressive strike rate, IMO, and TDK could just knock them out of the park.

I really don't think that Batman Begins can be counted as one of the finest films of the decade. I might put Prestige up there, and I haven't seen Memento yet, but I really don't think Batman Begins is anywhere close to one of the finest films of the decade.

I mean, BB is a god movie, but it doesn't rank with the LOTR films, Saving Private Ryan, Pan's Labyrinth, the Sixth Sense, or the Green mile to name a few.

[itsthebatman]

I really don't think that Batman Begins can be counted as one of the finest films of the decade. I might put Prestige up there, and I haven't seen Memento yet, but I really don't think Batman Begins is anywhere close to one of the finest films of the decade.

I mean, BB is a god movie, but it doesn't rank with the LOTR films, Saving Private Ryan, Pan's Labyrinth, the Sixth Sense, or the Green mile.
Eh, Saving Private Ryan, The Sixth Sense, and The Green Mile are from the nineties. I meant the 00s, but I see how you could see that. BTW, The green Mile is nowhere near being one of the best films of the last decade. It's not a patch on The Shawshank Redmption.
I agree. BB is a god movie.

[hannya]

Insomnia was very ropey towards the end, it really lost its way.
I waited a long time before seeing the Prestige, I was convinced it would suck... And it did, every time David Bowie was on screen. Apart from that, I loved it.

Anyway, Nolan doubters, you're missing the point. These characters don't belong to us. If a director wants to re-interpret/improve/mangle/f**k them up in a new movie, fine. So what? It's still interesting to watch the process. People who are THAT deeply attached to comic book characters can still go back to their fantasies after the movie. The definitive Joker is different in each of our heads. If I could make films, which thankfully I can't, my Joker would not be Ledger and he wouldn't have greasy curly hair and so on yadda yadda.
And that's exactly why Im looking forward to TDK so much because it's not the story in my head. It's someone else's vision. And that's the coolest part!

[Qwerty©]

I agree. BB is a god movie.
Freudian slip?

[SeattleBatman]

Insomnia was very ropey towards the end, it really lost its way.
I waited a long time before seeing the Prestige, I was convinced it would suck... And it did, every time David Bowie was on screen. Apart from that, I loved it.

Anyway, Nolan doubters, you're missing the point. These characters don't belong to us. If a director wants to re-interpret/improve/mangle/f**k them up in a new movie, fine. So what? It's still interesting to watch the process. People who are THAT deeply attached to comic book characters can still go back to their fantasies after the movie. The definitive Joker is different in each of our heads. If I could make films, which thankfully I can't, my Joker would not be Ledger and he wouldn't have greasy curly hair and so on yadda yadda.
And that's exactly why Im looking forward to TDK so much because it's not the story in my head. It's someone else's vision. And that's the coolest part!

Amen to that.

I consider myself a HUGE Batman fan since I was in kindergarden. Even though it seems we aren't getting textbook Joker here, I'm not even sure that's what I would want. His look is unique, but I'm pretty confident that his personality will be very faithful to the Joker character. After seeing Begins, I am more than excited to see the Batman universe told through the eyes of Nolan.

Gree hair: check
White face: check
Red lips: check
Purple clothes: check

Sounds good to me!:woot:

[Conebone69]

Amen to that.

I consider myself a HUGE Batman fan since I was in kindergarden. Even though it seems we aren't getting textbook Joker here, I'm not even sure that's what I would want. His look is unique, but I'm pretty confident that his personality will be very faithful to the Joker character. After seeing Begins, I am more than excited to see the Batman universe told through the eyes of Nolan.

Gree hair: check
White face: check
Red lips: check
Purple clothes: check

Sounds good to me!:woot:
Do you live in seattle?

[itsthebatman]

I really don't think that Batman Begins can be counted as one of the finest films of the decade. I might put Prestige up there, and I haven't seen Memento yet, but I really don't think Batman Begins is anywhere close to one of the finest films of the decade.

I mean, BB is a god movie, but it doesn't rank with the LOTR films, Saving Private Ryan, Pan's Labyrinth, the Sixth Sense, or the Green mile to name a few.

Freudian slip?
Yes, but not by me.

[itsthebatman]

Insomnia was very ropey towards the end, it really lost its way.
I waited a long time before seeing the Prestige, I was convinced it would suck... And it did, every time David Bowie was on screen. Apart from that, I loved it.

Anyway, Nolan doubters, you're missing the point. These characters don't belong to us. If a director wants to re-interpret/improve/mangle/f**k them up in a new movie, fine. So what? It's still interesting to watch the process. People who are THAT deeply attached to comic book characters can still go back to their fantasies after the movie. The definitive Joker is different in each of our heads. If I could make films, which thankfully I can't, my Joker would not be Ledger and he wouldn't have greasy curly hair and so on yadda yadda.
And that's exactly why Im looking forward to TDK so much because it's not the story in my head. It's someone else's vision. And that's the coolest part!
Great to hear. I wish I could disentangle myself from what I would do enough to have this attitude. Well done, my son.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

The Prestige was awesome. David Bowie was great in it. I don't see how you could think otherwise.

Yes, BB is a god movie.

[sasquatchs]

His clipped, non specific part of Eastern Europe accent was great, I think he's always been a decent actor. Nolan has a talent for casting

[hannya]

Great to hear. I wish I could disentangle myself from what I would do enough to have this attitude. Well done, my son.

Sounds to me sir like you need to go make yourself a movie! I get the same feelings about food, when I go out to eat I spend the whole evening thinking about how I would cook something better with the same ingredients. I think a lot of us on this board are here because we're procrastinating about that novel/movie/painting/sculpture/graphic/pasta sauce we should be working on instead...

[itsthebatman]

Sounds to me sir like you need to go make yourself a movie! I get the same feelings about food, when I go out to eat I spend the whole evening thinking about how I would cook something better with the same ingredients. I think a lot of us on this board are here because we're procrastinating about that novel/movie/painting/sculpture/graphic/pasta sauce we should be working on instead...
I make a damn good pasta with meatballs and tomato sauce. Whenever I eat out, I never seem to get one as good. Just sayin'.:yay:
I have no artistic talent at all. I could not make a movie if my life depended on it and I had read 'Movie making for Dummies.'

[Keyser Soze]

Insomnia is >The Prestige and I suspect if I wasn't a Batman fan it'd be Insomnia > BB as well

(oh noes I used the > sign. now I am lame)

Batman Begins > Memento > The Prestige > Following > Insomnia

[strikezone89]

the prestige rules all.

[Cowleen]

the prestige rules all.
When I heard the movie was being made, I purposely read the book first. It was a slow build, but man what an ending. I said there was no way they would be able to capture all that on film, but I was sooo wrong. Once again, it was all Nolan

[Beanjuice]

the prestige rules all.


i have yet to see that movie

[itsthebatman]

When I heard the movie was being made, I purposely read the book first. It was a slow build, but man what an ending. I said there was no way they would be able to capture all that on film, but I was sooo wrong. Once again, it was all Nolan
Read the book last week, having seen the film a few times. Man, they did a great job adapting it, changing quite a few elements while keeping the spirit and themes of the story very much alive. If they do as well with TDK, we're onto a winner.

[Untilteld]

I own the prestige but I have yet to watch it :(

[DeaDheaD]

IMO BB was his best just b/c it saved the franchise but the prestige is a very close second, what i like is that it seems like he is always getting better as a directing, he was really good starting out, but he has gotten even better, the more stuff he does

[He-Man]

An old interview that SHH did with Michael Uslan
August 4, 2005

http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=3367

SHH!: Getting back to Batman, can you talk about the idea for getting Jack Nicholson to play the Joker?
Uslan: I sat down and did a 17-page creative blueprint for doing a dark, serious nature, including one line on the memo that Jack Nicholson was the only guy that could play the Joker. That became our document for getting this done. Part of the presentation was the "Here's Johnny" picture of Jack from "The Shining", since that was opening up, too. I took it out of the newspaper, and took White Out and put it on his face, and took a red pen and put it on his lips and a green magic marker for his hair (see bigger picture here). That's what I started showing everyone to make them understand how we would approach this movie.
http://www.superherohype.com/nextraimages/uslanint4big.jpg

Looks more like TDK Joker than 89 Joker
http://im.rediff.com/movies/2007/may/22look.jpg

Could be where they got the idea for TDK Joker.

[regwec]

I have no artistic talent at all.

You are some sort of latter-day Francis of Assisi, which must count for something.

[itsthebatman]

You are some sort of latter-day Francis of Assisi, which must count for something.
Yeah but my stitching is awful, ugly to behold.

[Mr. Socko]

TDK Joker's scarred cheeks reminds me of the Bermejo drawings, which I deeply despise. His stuff is way too over the top. Even Heath's Joker isn't as bad looking as Bj's. I doubt they were inspired for the "TDK" Joker by that marker-manip of Jack. Anyway, the only thing I can say that visually looks better about Heath's Joker is that he has the dark circles around the eyes, I like that.

[gwynplaine]

Thank God Jack Nicholson didn't reprise his role as the Joker, he is my favourite actor in the world but enough with the old, fat and "funny" version of the character, we have it already in B89 (and also in the TV show).
Nolan is a great director and I have no doubt that his take on Mr J will make all the other ones pale in comparison (pun intended).

[JackBauer24]

Batman Begins > Memento > The Prestige > Following > Insomnia

Almost right. It's actually:

Batman Begins = Memento > The Prestige > Following >>> Insomnia (which sucks a little bit)

Can never decide between BB and Memento

[Crook]

Batman Begins > Memento > The Prestige > Following > Insomnia
I cannot believe you put an almost flawless cinematic piece that is Memento, below BB. I love BB and would much sooner rewatch it than Memento, but the latter clearly has the superior script and directing/editing job. :o

[CaptainClown]

I cannot believe you put an almost flawless cinematic piece that is Memento, below BB. I love BB and would much sooner rewatch it than Memento, but the latter clearly has the superior script and directing/editing job. :o

ya memento is by far his best work

[Qwerty©]

I cannot believe you put an almost flawless cinematic piece that is Memento, below BB. I love BB and would much sooner rewatch it than Memento, but the latter clearly has the superior script and directing/editing job. :oDidn't you know? Batman Begins is the best film ever now. It has been decided by the fanboys.

[Yurka]

wow, im surprised with all this hate towards Insomnia, I love that movie.

[Keyser Soze]

I cannot believe you put an almost flawless cinematic piece that is Memento, below BB. I love BB and would much sooner rewatch it than Memento, but the latter clearly has the superior script and directing/editing job. :o

That was a list of personal preference. As accomplished a piece of cinema Memento is, as a Batfan, "Begins" is my favourite.

[Keyser Soze]

wow, im surprised with all this hate towards Insomnia, I love that movie.

I really like "Insomnia" too. It's still a very good film, it's just that Nolan's other four films are better.

[Crook]

That's the only film I've yet to watch from Nolan. Does it have a twist also?

[Keyser Soze]

That's the only film I've yet to watch from Nolan. Does it have a twist also?

Not really. There's something that's kinda a twist, but it's not really a big deal as far as the overall narrative goes. Much of the interest comes from the ambiguity of Al Pacino, and in particular his actions.

[itsthebatman]

That's the only film I've yet to watch from Nolan. Does it have a twist also?
Yep.It sucks.
Memento>Prestige=BB>>Insomnia
Not seen Following yet.

[Keyser Soze]

I'm writing my Senior Honours dissertation on Christopher Nolan, so I'll enjoy rewatching all these films in my research. :cwink:

[Crook]

Thanks for putting up that tasty spoiler. Now I have to force myself in watching the movie tonight, in fear of compulsively clicking on that spoiler button. :cmad:

[itsthebatman]

Thanks for putting up that tasty spoiler. Now I have to force myself in watching the movie tonight, in fear of compulsively clicking on that spoiler button. :cmad:
Sorry, just a lame joke I did before, for FF2. The spoiler reads - 'It sucks'.

[Mr. Socko]

I'm writing my Senior Honours dissertation on Christopher Nolan, so I'll enjoy rewatching all these films in my research. :cwink:


What are you majoring in?

[sasquatchs]

I'm writing my Senior Honours dissertation on Christopher Nolan, so I'll enjoy rewatching all these films in my research. :cwink:

What aspect of him? How his vest choice informs his work? :oldrazz: All joking aside, I'm interested

[itsthebatman]

What aspect of him? How his vest choice informs his work? :oldrazz: All joking aside, I'm interested
'Deploy the Nolan-vest'

[CaptainClown]

wow, im surprised with all this hate towards Insomnia, I love that movie.

I like insomnia a lot too but its hard to rate a good movie with other good movies it all depends on preference

[Keyser Soze]

What aspect of him? How his vest choice informs his work? :oldrazz: All joking aside, I'm interested

My dissertation is called "Christopher Nolan: Authorship and Identity".

The central idea behind the dissertation is that of authorship. So I'll be placing a lot of my critical grounding on articles on authorship and the auteur. I will then apply those to the films of Christopher Nolan, and lay out the key ideas and themes in Nolan's work, first characterised by his early films, "Following" and "Memento".

From there, I will study how these ideas are preserved in adaptation and the remake- in the case of "The Prestige" and "Insomnia" respectively - before bringing my argument round to the case study of "Batman Begins". Examining its status as a franchise, and expectations that come with it, and discussing the idea of "competing authors" in the film: the comic book writers, previous directors. And from there I will question whether Nolan's sense of individual authorship can be preserved in a film like "Batman Begins".

[Figs]

My dissertation is called "Christopher Nolan: Authorship and Identity".

The central idea behind the dissertation is that of authorship. So I'll be placing a lot of my critical grounding on articles on authorship and the auteur. I will then apply those to the films of Christopher Nolan, and lay out the key ideas and themes in Nolan's work, first characterised by his early films, "Following" and "Memento".

From there, I will study how these ideas are preserved in adaptation and the remake- in the case of "The Prestige" and "Insomnia" respectively - before bringing my argument round to the case study of "Batman Begins". Examining its status as a franchise, and expectations that come with it, and discussing the idea of "competing authors" in the film: the comic book writers, previous directors. And from there I will question whether Nolan's sense of individual authorship can be preserved in a film like "Batman Begins".


Sounds pretty cool. Good luck with that.

[Mr. Socko]

What aspect of him? How his vest choice informs his work? :oldrazz: All joking aside, I'm interested


I keep wondering why he wears the same clothes on set every day.:ninja:

[itsthebatman]

I keep wondering why he wears the same clothes on set every day.:ninja:
He can't operate the washing machine.

[sasquatchs]

I keep wondering why he wears the same clothes on set every day.:ninja:

It's his costume, his fanbase would crucify him for breaking from tradition

[Keyser Soze]

It's his costume, his fanbase would crucify him for breaking from tradition

But he'd appease them by revealing him that his skin is actually all make-up, and underneath his flesh is white...

[itsthebatman]

But he'd appease them by revealing him that his skin is actually all make-up, and underneath his flesh is white...
Nolan is Ra's.

[SalaciousVC]

gordon

[Beanjuice]

any idea on what joker's real name will be? will he remain nameless or will they stick to jack napier like the classic batman?

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

He has a name and that name is.....

Joker.

[El Payaso]

He has a name and that name is.....

Joker.

Beat me to it.

[Bishop]

if it's anything, it'll be simply 'jack', i reckon

'napier' is unlikely, i think that's burton's idea, and there's got to be distance between the two interpretations of the character

[Killing Joke926]

Its either gonna be Jack, Jack Napier, Johnny Jape, or simply the Joker.

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

if it's anything, it'll be simply 'jack', i reckon

'napier' is unlikely, i think that's burton's idea, and there's got to be distance between the two interpretations of the character
I never liked the idea of givin the Joker a name of a different card.

I mean why did they call the Joker a Jack???

That would of only made sense if his villain name was "The Jacker"

But that just sounds perverted in a non funny way.

:huh:

[JoeCat]

The Joker's origin or Identity should never be revealed

The Killing Joke was an okay story to me, but I like how even in that story The Joker himself stated "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!". I would hate for that origin to be definitive or canon.

[Yurka]

I never liked the idea of givin the Joker a name of a different card.

I mean why did they call the Joker a Jack???

That would of only made sense if his villain name was "The Jacker"

But that just sounds perverted in a non funny way.

:huh:

lol,

yeah it worked in B89 cause you knew his name was Jack cause they gave him a backstory, but if theyre not giving this joker a backstory then calling him anything but joker wouldn't work.

[Bishop]

The Joker's origin or Identity should never be revealed



it would take away a great deal from the character to explain his origins and identity in a five minute backstory or prologue. he's the joker. he can't be 'explained', and any explanation he could give would be intrinsically unreliable.

[peteagassi]

does anybody know what track # the ice figthing song is in Begins?

[DeFett]

Gotta love when you go to your local news website and there is a picture of the Joker on the front page.

http://www.news.com.au (may not be on the front page for long).

[Darkness Falls]

The name on the evidence bag if i remember was
J Kerr

a reference to fake alias
joseph kerr

from going sane storyline

[Mr. Socko]

The name on the evidence bag if i remember was
J Kerr

a reference to fake alias
joseph kerr

from going sane storyline


Is that really on the evidence bag?

I never noticed.

[Darkness Falls]

Is that really on the evidence bag?

I never noticed.

It's there

[DeFett]

Gotta love when you go to your local news website and there is a picture of the Joker on the front page.

http://www.news.com.au (may not be on the front page for long).

Sorry, gone already, was just the 1st Joker pic anyways ...but it was cool seeing it.

[TheBatman072]

Is that really on the evidence bag?

I never noticed.


It says "Recovered By: J. Kerr" Just a little easter egg for the fans.

[darknight7]

It says "Recovered By: J. Kerr" Just a little easter egg for the fans.

I just watched that scene to check it out...pretty cool.

But what I noticed is: Gordon doesn't really seem to feel threatened by The Joker:joker: (and I love it)...

*this goes out to everyone* watch that scene...and than think about the Joker that we are expecting to get, and what we have seen so far. When Gordon is talking to Batman, he is almost..."joking" around.

Gordon: Now take this guy, bank robbery, double homicide...got a taste for the theatrical, like you...he leaves a calling card.

It's almost like he is making fun of this suspect, not knowing how dangerous he really is...

Saying, he is some nut who likes to dress up too, check it out Batman.

But he doesn't know what they are getting into:) I love it, because it makes him seem like he isn't a threat...

...muahaha:joker:oh but he is...

--dk7

[Darkness Falls]

I just watched that scene to check it out...pretty cool.

But what I noticed is: Gordon doesn't really seem to feel threatened by The Joker:joker: (and I love it)...

*this goes out to everyone* watch that scene...and than think about the Joker that we are expecting to get, and what we have seen so far. When Gordon is talking to Batman, he is almost..."joking" around.

Gordon: Know take this guy, bank robbery, double homicide...got a taste for the theatrical, like you...he leaves a calling card.

It's almost like he is making fun of this suspect, not knowing how dangerous he really is...

Saying, he is some nut who likes to dress up too, check it out Batman.

But he doesn't know what they are getting into:) I love it, because it makes him seem like he isn't a threat...

...muahaha:joker:oh but he is...

--dk7

i never thought of it that way
great observation

[darknight7]

i never thought of it that way
great observation

Neither did I until just watching it now.

Because before we had no idea what to expect out of this Joker...

But now knowing how dark he is going to be. YOu almost get the feeling the Joker is not important to them, because he has not yet made a name for himself in Gotham

--dk7

[Mr. Socko]

Neither did I until just watching it now.

Because before we had no idea what to expect out of this Joker...

But now knowing how dark he is going to be. YOu almost get the feeling the Joker is not important to them, because he has not yet made a name for himself in Gotham

--dk7


Well put. Haven't thought about it that way before.


Now alas, Gents, I'm off to retire. Socko shall be back tomorrow.

[cryptic name]

I never liked the idea of givin the Joker a name of a different card.

I mean why did they call the Joker a Jack???

That would of only made sense if his villain name was "The Jacker"

But that just sounds perverted in a non funny way.

:huh:

somone on these boards had a great explaination that basically a jack is the weakest face card, but joker is the wild card, it can be anything. so his transformation freed him in a way.

[darknight7]

somone on these boards had a great explaination that basically a jack is the weakest face card, but joker is the wild card, it can be anything. so his transformation freed him in a way.

I remember that explanation

--dk7

[dark_b]

we know that badguys fear the batman in BB. we know that they are scared like s.... they think he is not human and that he i a monster.
should people be also afraid of the joker like he is a demon or something? like he is also not a normal human?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/Col_Kilgore/SHH/joker_card.jpg
maybe joker sees how they are afraid of batman and he makes himself scary so that peoople would be afraid of him. he cuts himself.i am against cutting himself. but if he has a good reason and if the story is made good then i wouldnt have a problem.

just throwing ideas. but i guess we already talked about this.

[Keyser Soze]

Speaking of throwing around ideas, here's the idea I posted over on the make-up thread. But since that thread seems to be dying now, I thought I'd bring it over here:

To try and steer things away from the whole "white skin VS white facepaint" argument for a moment, perhaps its time to raise an old idea that hasn't been discussed in a while. What if The Joker's face is a tattoo?

I don't have a problem with The Joker applying white make-up purely because it's different from the comics in itself. I've said before that I'm okay with changes to the comics, so long as they make sense, and don't hurt the character. My problem lies in the fact that it COULD hurt the character. The white make-up itself isn't the problem, it's the fact that it can wash off. I hate the idea of The Joker locked up in Arkham, with his facepaint washed off. Unlike Batman, The Joker's face IS his mask. He shouldn't be able to wash off his "mask" and be "normal". The Joker shouldn't have an alter ego., if you will.

But IF we're not getting The Joker with his entire body bleached white, perhaps an alternative could be that he has tattooed the ghoulish clown design onto his face? That way, you get the same practical effect as skin bleaching - a "mask that can't come off".

And in one way, this could be MORE effective than bleached skin in the context of this film. Even if his skin is bleached, then we have to accept the red lips and black eyes as make-up that can be removed. After all, a chemical bath is only going to give him the bleached skin. And although both have their detractors, the "panda eyes" and "messy lips" have grown on me to the point that I think the face of Ledger's Joker would look naked without them. If his face were the product of a tattoo, the eyes and lips would be as permanent as the white skin. And it would be another nice touch to the character: it would take a real hardcore nutjob to mutiliate themselves in such a fashion.

Of course, the idea does have its setbacks. I don't know what the logistics of getting such a tattoo are. It could be that getting that much ink seared into your face is just as outlandish as a chemical bath that bleaches your skin white. I'm not necessarily saying this is what I want to get, or think we're getting. I just thought it was an interesting possibility you might want to discuss.

[Drummerdude7]

Speaking of throwing around ideas, here's the idea I posted over on the make-up thread. But since that thread seems to be dying now, I thought I'd bring it over here:

To try and steer things away from the whole "white skin VS white facepaint" argument for a moment, perhaps its time to raise an old idea that hasn't been discussed in a while. What if The Joker's face is a tattoo?

I don't have a problem with The Joker applying white make-up purely because it's different from the comics in itself. I've said before that I'm okay with changes to the comics, so long as they make sense, and don't hurt the character. My problem lies in the fact that it COULD hurt the character. The white make-up itself isn't the problem, it's the fact that it can wash off. I hate the idea of The Joker locked up in Arkham, with his facepaint washed off. Unlike Batman, The Joker's face IS his mask. He shouldn't be able to wash off his "mask" and be "normal". The Joker shouldn't have an alter ego., if you will.

But IF we're not getting The Joker with his entire body bleached white, perhaps an alternative could be that he has tattooed the ghoulish clown design onto his face? That way, you get the same practical effect as skin bleaching - a "mask that can't come off".

And in one way, this could be MORE effective than bleached skin in the context of this film. Even if his skin is bleached, then we have to accept the red lips and black eyes as make-up that can be removed. After all, a chemical bath is only going to give him the bleached skin. And although both have their detractors, the "panda eyes" and "messy lips" have grown on me to the point that I think the face of Ledger's Joker would look naked without them. If his face were the product of a tattoo, the eyes and lips would be as permanent as the white skin. And it would be another nice touch to the character: it would take a real hardcore nutjob to mutiliate themselves in such a fashion.

Of course, the idea does have its setbacks. I don't know what the logistics of getting such a tattoo are. It could be that getting that much ink seared into your face is just as outlandish as a chemical bath that bleaches your skin white. I'm not necessarily saying this is what I want to get, or think we're getting. I just thought it was an interesting possibility you might want to discuss.


that is a pretty interesting theory....there's a lot of directions nolan can steer this in since there's no origin story (supposedly)....but a tattoo on the entire face....ouch.....

[Beanjuice]

Speaking of throwing around ideas, here's the idea I posted over on the make-up thread. But since that thread seems to be dying now, I thought I'd bring it over here:

To try and steer things away from the whole "white skin VS white facepaint" argument for a moment, perhaps its time to raise an old idea that hasn't been discussed in a while. What if The Joker's face is a tattoo?

I don't have a problem with The Joker applying white make-up purely because it's different from the comics in itself. I've said before that I'm okay with changes to the comics, so long as they make sense, and don't hurt the character. My problem lies in the fact that it COULD hurt the character. The white make-up itself isn't the problem, it's the fact that it can wash off. I hate the idea of The Joker locked up in Arkham, with his facepaint washed off. Unlike Batman, The Joker's face IS his mask. He shouldn't be able to wash off his "mask" and be "normal". The Joker shouldn't have an alter ego., if you will.

But IF we're not getting The Joker with his entire body bleached white, perhaps an alternative could be that he has tattooed the ghoulish clown design onto his face? That way, you get the same practical effect as skin bleaching - a "mask that can't come off".

And in one way, this could be MORE effective than bleached skin in the context of this film. Even if his skin is bleached, then we have to accept the red lips and black eyes as make-up that can be removed. After all, a chemical bath is only going to give him the bleached skin. And although both have their detractors, the "panda eyes" and "messy lips" have grown on me to the point that I think the face of Ledger's Joker would look naked without them. If his face were the product of a tattoo, the eyes and lips would be as permanent as the white skin. And it would be another nice touch to the character: it would take a real hardcore nutjob to mutiliate themselves in such a fashion.

Of course, the idea does have its setbacks. I don't know what the logistics of getting such a tattoo are. It could be that getting that much ink seared into your face is just as outlandish as a chemical bath that bleaches your skin white. I'm not necessarily saying this is what I want to get, or think we're getting. I just thought it was an interesting possibility you might want to discuss.


well a facial tattoo like that would take a very long time to get done and i doubt he could get teh black over his eyes without the needle going through,however if he applies the black make up for his eyes and the rest is a tattoo it would make sense

[Keyser Soze]

well a facial tattoo like that would take a very long time to get done and i doubt he could get teh black over his eyes without the needle going through,however if he applies the black make up for his eyes and the rest is a tattoo it would make sense

Around the eyes would be VERY painful, though I think technically it would be possible. The area that prbably would be impossible, however, would be the eyelids. However...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/JokerRachel.jpg

Flesh-tone eyelids? :cwink:

[Bandyt]

the white looks fairly slathered on to me.

[Mike_D202]

guys check out the NEW joker set video!

CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

very good quality, even a joker laugh :D

[Qwerty©]

guys check out the NEW joker set video!

CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

very good quality, even a joker laugh :DYou son of a

[Mr. Thing]

guys check out the NEW joker set video!

CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

very good quality, even a joker laugh :D

LMAO! :woot:

[Bandyt]

guys check out the NEW joker set video!

CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

very good quality, even a joker laugh :D

I...dislike you.

[Vile]

guys check out the NEW joker set video!

CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

very good quality, even a joker laugh :D

...CURSE YOU MIKE!

[CrashNburn]

f u mike

[Beanjuice]

guys check out the NEW joker set video!

CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

very good quality, even a joker laugh :D


DAMMIT!!! I HAVE BEEN RICKROLL'D

[Bandyt]

Is it just me or do his lips look non-lipsticky and more like that's the normal,horribly burnt colour of his lips? Also, he put white makeup on up his nostrils and under his hair, how dedicated if it is indeed make up.

[Bond]

guys check out the NEW joker set video!

CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

very good quality, even a joker laugh :D
Ha Ha!

That's awesome.

[Killing Joke926]

guys check out the NEW joker set video!

CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

very good quality, even a joker laugh :D

PRICK!!!:cmad: But cool video, I can remember listing to Rick Astley when I was around five; back in the day of good cartoons like BatMan TAS and Life With Louie.:woot:

[chamber-music]

I was watching Hudson Hawk last night (don't ask) and I noticed
Richard E. Grant would of made a kick ass joker back in the 90s.
http://graffiti.tscpl.org/MikeDeodatoJoker.jpghttp://www.abc.net.au/brisbane/stories/Richard_E_m1250972.jpg

[SpinyNorman]

His name was indeed passed around.

[ICXCNIKA]

Here's a picture of the Joker from Exorcist III (scroll down a bit):

http://darwen.us/filmgeeks/2005/07/in-defense-of-bad-movie-exorcist-iii.html

The Joker is truly a symbol of evil.

[Nepenthes]

Here's a picture of the Joker from Exorcist III (scroll down a bit):

http://darwen.us/filmgeeks/exorcist3/004.jpg

:wow: ??

holy shiiiit

[SpinyNorman]

Doesn't make the movie any less retarded.

[ABleedingCorpse]

I still don't know exactly what it is that I can't place my finger on, but the latest Joker image has me buggin out. It has nothing to do with the flesh neck or the hair. Actually, I know what I'm thinking it may be. The tone of the white and flesh spots on hi face, the use of red on his lips/scars, and the overall look just doesn't set exactly right with me.

Something is definatly messing with me when I see that image. It's like a piece of information is not there to make things right. I'm not complaining about the look of the Joker, I'm just saying something is not exactly right but I can't figure it out.

[ICXCNIKA]

http://darwen.us/filmgeeks/exorcist3/004.jpg

:wow: ??

holy shiiiit

Thanks for posting this pic! I actually love this movie!

[ICXCNIKA]

I still don't know exactly what it is that I can't place my finger on, but the latest Joker image has me buggin out. It has nothing to do with the flesh neck or the hair. Actually, I know what I'm thinking it may be. The tone of the white and flesh spots on hi face, the use of red on his lips/scars, and the overall look just doesn't set exactly right with me.

Something is definatly messing with me when I see that image. It's like a piece of information is not there to make things right. I'm not complaining about the look of the Joker, I'm just saying something is not exactly right but I can't figure it out.

It's because the latest pic isn't the final Joker we'll see in the film. I believe TDK Joker is wearing flesh-colored make-up and maybe hair dye on top of his disfigured appearence, and then clown make-up (that resembles his true appearence) on top of the flesh-colored facial make-up. The Joker will turn out perfect in the new movie. He's too awesome a character for the filmmakers to mess with!:woot::up:

[Juanigi]

we know that badguys fear the batman in BB. we know that they are scared like s.... they think he is not human and that he i a monster.
should people be also afraid of the joker like he is a demon or something? like he is also not a normal human?frank miller sometimes describes the characters kevin and miho in sin city as being the two "demons" of good and evil in the story

you could say the joker is a demon of chaos

[gwynplaine]

Of course the Joker is a demon and the bad guys being "a superstitious and cowardly lot" should fear him just like they fear the batman.

[MAKIEVELLI]

The tatoo idea is stupid.

[Darkness Falls]

The tatoo idea is stupid.

have to agree with you there

[Optimus Prime.]

hes going to look go in the TDK

[gwynplaine]

Around the eyes would be VERY painful, though I think technically it would be possible. The area that prbably would be impossible, however, would be the eyelids. However...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/JokerRachel.jpg

Flesh-tone eyelids? :cwink:
After f*****g the brother now he is killing the sister , I guess Heath has something against the Gyllenhaal family.

[GhostRider5006]

After f*****g the brother now he is killing the sister , I guess Heath has something against the Gyllenhaal family.

WWWWTTTFFFFF. I never seen brokeback mountin but that sounds so ****ing sick. I feel like i'm going to barf:dry:

[CaptainClown]

um ok?

[Dvhyzs]

Someones desperate for attention.:cwink:

[gwynplaine]

If they can't take a joke etc... you know the rest. Good motto for Mr J by the way.

[CaptainClown]

Brokeback wasn't a bad movie kinda boring..

[Dvhyzs]

I never really had an "urge" to see it. Heard good things though, and some weird things...:ninja:

[gwynplaine]

Brokeback was too long but it had some very fine acting in it and Ang Lee is a master.

[CaptainClown]

Brokeback was too long but it had some very fine acting in it and Ang Lee is a master.

Ya great acting but too long to tell a short story. I felt they kinda overhyped the fact it was about gay cowboys.

[GhostRider5006]

Someones desperate for attention.:cwink:

No.....I just thought its nasty. Its kinda sick, because I NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN TWO GUYS BANG EACH OTHER.

[CaptainClown]

Well I saw it and still haven't seen two guys bang each other

[Mr. Socko]

After f*****g the brother now he is killing the sister , I guess Heath has something against the Gyllenhaal family.


LOL

Brokeback was too long but it had some very fine acting in it and Ang Lee is a master.


Lee is good except with comic book movies.

[Dvhyzs]

No.....I just thought its nasty. Its kinda sick, because I NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN TWO GUYS BANG EACH OTHER.
I was referring to Gwnplaine, Me neither and i dont plan to.:dry:

[hegele]

i part of me is sad to see that after a few great independent features many young directors only get the studio backing they want if they make superhero films, remakes or sequels... :(

[Bright Knight]

WOW...

This thread has REALLY taken a turn for the homoerotic... Moreso than batman and robin...

Hmmm... I'd say it was closet homoeroticism... But it isn't... It's not exactly inconspicuous. But hey... Keep reaching for the rainbow!!!

Ah, it's ok, I wouldn't expect much more from teenage boys, I was prob the same when i was that age (in terms of making gay jokes), but i grew out of it.

[Juanigi]

yeah friggin teenagersBATMAN: BUGGERY

BATMAN: SODOMY

BROKEBACK BATMAN (This film introduces Bane and Azrael, any other film inferences are entirely coincidental)

[Bright Knight]

yeah friggin teenagers


OK... First off, I'm not a teenager.

Secondly....

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–noun, plural -nies. 1.the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend. 2.Literature. a.a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated. b.(esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion. 3.Socratic irony. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Socratic irony) 4.dramatic irony. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dramatic irony) 5.an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected. 6.the incongruity of this. 7.an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing. 8.an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc.


Although, to be fair, irony doesn't interweb well.

[Bright Knight]

Double Mofo

[Juanigi]

dramatic irony, maybe

[MAKIEVELLI]

If they can't take a joke etc... you know the rest. Good motto for Mr J by the way.

It's not that "they" can't take a joke. It just wasn't very funny.:cwink:

[Bright Knight]

dramatic irony, maybe


We'll never know...

[Juanigi]

precisely ha ha

[Mr. Socko]

WOW...

This thread has REALLY taken a turn for the homoerotic... Moreso than batman and robin...

Hmmm... I'd say it was closet homoeroticism... But it isn't... It's not exactly inconspicuous. But hey... Keep reaching for the rainbow!!!

Ah, it's ok, I wouldn't expect much more from teenage boys, I was prob the same when i was that age (in terms of making gay jokes), but i grew out of it.


http://www.batmanunmasked.com/albums/userpics/10001/000007.jpg

[Mistah_Jay]

anyone knows who auditioned for joker besides Ledger?We all know the ones that auditioned for batman (Joshua jackson,cillian murphy,etc)

[Dvhyzs]

anyone knows who auditioned for joker besides Ledger?We all know the ones that auditioned for batman (Joshua jackson,cillian murphy,etc)
you do know ledger got the part right? :dry:

[gwynplaine]

It's not that "they" can't take a joke. It just wasn't very funny.:cwink:
Well at least I'm trying, but everybody's a critic, I guess.

[Dvhyzs]

Well at least I'm trying, but everybody's a critic, I guess.
Hey, It's the effort that matters. I think i might of laughed a little.

[Untilteld]

cillian murphy auditioned for Batman :huh:

[Mr. Socko]

cillian murphy auditioned for Batman :huh:


According to wiki, he first auditioned for Batman. Nolan saw his tape, and thought he would make a good Scarecrow so he offered him the role of Crane.

[Dvhyzs]

Even though Cillian is one of my favorite actors, What was he thinking?

[Untilteld]

According to wiki, he first auditioned for Batman. Nolan saw his tape, and thought he would make a good Scarecrow so he offered him the role of Crane.

I could never see him as Batman, but he plays the perfect Scarecrow.

[1981]

It was worth a shot. It doesn't hurt to try.

[LegendaryCaleb]

MoviesOnline used a manipped pic of the joker to talk about The Dark Knight Trailer thing...look at this http://www.moviesonline.ca/Features/darkknight-trailer.jpg
http://www.moviesonline.ca/

[Juanigi]

are they usually known for their journalistic integrity

[1981]

Yeah, not a good idea. Some people don't do their research.

[LegendaryCaleb]

ya look at this on the site as well
http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_12366.html
heres the comments for it
http://digg.com/movies/Dark_Knight_First_glimpse_at_the_Joker_photo

lol its kinda funny

[Juanigi]

It's so great. But it is much too similar to Conrad Veidt's 'The Man Who Laughs'....lol

[SUPERSEBAS]

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2752/jokerapm8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-08-02

[Juanigi]

batman all rapping his knuckles on the joker's head

"hello? listen butthead, why don't you make like a tree and go back to arkham"

[LegendaryCaleb]

batman all rapping his knuckles on the joker's head

"hello? listen butthead, why don't you make like a tree and go back to arkham"
bahaha....the joker would be a peeping tom....another added offense by the joker which would fit along with "rape"

[Dvhyzs]

batman all rapping his knuckles on the joker's head

"hello? listen butthead, why don't you make like a tree and go back to arkham"
Hey, don't be so harsh. He was in like mike too.:cwink:

[Juanigi]

yeah I guess the joker is sort of like mike keaton

[Noir]

..Jesus, what is the deal here LEDGER IS THE JOKER, end of discussion.

[sglass03]

Crispin Glover would have made a good Joker...if he was a better actor. He has the look, but I've never been impressed by his chops.

It would be interesting to know who lobbied hard or tried out for the part of Joker. Many insiders claimed it was a coveted role by several actors. We know that Lachey Hulme was being considered (he met with producers), and I'm sure Paul Bettany HAD to be considered (I still contend the guy would be perfect, plus he's a great actor.) Jett even claimed that Sean Penn was Nolan's first choice (it's hard to believe that.)

In any case, does anyone know anything about who was up for the role of Joker? I'm glad they got Ledger, who can actually ACT, but I'm curious to see who else was in the race.

[Juanigi]

I always thought sean penn looked just like brian bolland's joker

[Noir]

Brody, Robin Williams want it, PeeWee, that guy from Da-vinci Code.

[Mike_D202]

Hey, don't be so harsh. He was in like mike too.:cwink:

And Ledger was in "10 things I hate about you" and "first knight". ;) *entises 15th century crowd to beat-box "we will rock you"*

[LegendaryCaleb]

plus...the patriot.....(uncle joker pic) ;)

[Dvhyzs]

And Ledger was in "10 things I hate about you" and "first knight". ;)
I actually like both of those flicks actually.

[Bond]

I kinda enjoyed Ledger's performance in 10 TIHAY.

[jesse custer]

Brody, Robin Williams want it, PeeWee, that guy from Da-vinci Code.

Robin williams? what was HE thinking. Obviously of a different kind of Batman movie a la Joel Schumacher. I'm over his movie schtick:whatever:

[deathfromabove]

I don't have a problem with The Joker applying white make-up purely because it's different from the comics in itself. I've said before that I'm okay with changes to the comics, so long as they make sense, and don't hurt the character. My problem lies in the fact that it COULD hurt the character. The white make-up itself isn't the problem, it's the fact that it can wash off. I hate the idea of The Joker locked up in Arkham, with his facepaint washed off. Unlike Batman, The Joker's face IS his mask. He shouldn't be able to wash off his "mask" and be "normal". The Joker shouldn't have an alter ego., if you will.

discuss.

does not the scarred smile replace the white skin as his permanant physical deformity though? the makeup might wash off but the horribly scarred mouth wouldn't. instead of being permanatly white he is permanantly "smiling". same effect.

[1981]

Yeah, I can't believe Robin Williams wanted the part for The Joker. Granted, the guy is wacked in the head, but a little too hairy. I think he would have had to "powder up his nose" before every scene.

[Juanigi]

does not the scarred smile replace the white skin as his permanant physical deformity though? the makeup might wash off but the horribly scarred mouth wouldn't. instead of being permanatly white he is permanantly "smiling". same effect.no I haven't seen him smile even once so far

[Noir]

Robin williams? what was HE thinking. Obviously of a different kind of Batman movie a la Joel Schumacher. I'm over his movie schtick:whatever:...Actually Williams could play a good Joker, he is an amazingly talented actor see: 1 Hour Photo, Final Cut, Insomnia, The Night Listener, Dead Poet Society.

[sglass03]

...Actually Williams could play a good Joker, he is an amazingly talented actor see: 1 Hour Photo, Final Cut, Insomnia, The Night Listener, Dead Poet Society.

I think Robin Williams could have played a good Joker when he was much, much younger. But I also get the suspicion that Nicholson's Joker and Williams' Joker would be exactly the same. Although, to be fair, Robin Williams has advocated doing an "Arkham Asylum"-type Joker, which seems to bely his funny nature.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Wasn't Robin Williams also considered for the Joker back for the first Batman movie?

[jesse custer]

...Actually Williams could play a good Joker, he is an amazingly talented actor see: 1 Hour Photo, Final Cut, Insomnia, The Night Listener, Dead Poet Society.


but the thing is we've already seen him act insane/funny/kooky. so we'd just get more robin williams-i don't want a comedian playing joker. he's too old, so was jack. and him and bale as eternal nemesis? he'd just come off as an old clown...no thanks