The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[jesse custer]

Wasn't Robin Williams also considered for the Joker back for the first Batman movie?


that would have worked-but these bat-films are different.

[1981]

Robin Williams is too old. As we will see, Ledger will gives us something different that Williams wouldn't be able to pull off.

[Dvhyzs]

that would have worked-but these bat-films are different.
I heard somewhere it was to lure jack into taking the part.

[jesse custer]

I think Robin Williams could have played a good Joker when he was much, much younger. But I also get the suspicion that Nicholson's Joker and Williams' Joker would be exactly the same. Although, to be fair, Robin Williams has advocated doing an "Arkham Asylum"-type Joker, which seems to bely his funny nature.

hmm. he said that? that would have been kinda cool actually.

[jesse custer]

I heard somewhere it was to lure jack into taking the part.

yeah, I read that somewhere

[Dvhyzs]

yeah, I read that somewhere
Brain Blast!!, I read it on AMC on one of those dvd tv showings of Batman.

[jesse custer]

I rather enjoy Williams stand-up. esp. that p***y eating routine.

[sglass03]

hmm. he said that? that would have been kinda cool actually.

Yes, he said it a few months back in an interview. Apparently he's really a fan of the character, which is cool. But I don't think he'd bring anything new to the portrayal.

I'm happy with Heath - it was a choice that no one really considered, and in addition to looking very Joker-ish (skinny, big smile), he's also a good actor. However, a part of me will ALWAYS wonder what Bettany could have brought to the role. Even if it was some kind of combination of his parts in "Gangster No. 1" and "The Da Vinci Code," that would be one scary, scary Joker. I was scared to death of him in "Gangster" - the man acts with his eyes.

[jesse custer]

Batman 89 was originally going to be a vehicle for Bill Murray and Eddie Murphy(as Robin!)

[jesse custer]

Yes, he said it a few months back in an interview. Apparently he's really a fan of the character, which is cool. But I don't think he'd bring anything new to the portrayal.

I'm happy with Heath - it was a choice that no one really considered, and in addition to looking very Joker-ish (skinny, big smile), he's also a good actor. However, a part of me will ALWAYS wonder what Bettany could have brought to the role. Even if it was some kind of combination of his parts in "Gangster No. 1" and "The Da Vinci Code," that would be one scary, scary Joker. I was scared to death of him in "Gangster" - the man acts with his eyes.

I've finlly accepted the new Joker look. esp after hearing what Micheal Caine had to say. not much be it certainly adds some validity on whether or not Heath can do Joker proud:yay:

[jesse custer]

Robin Williams is too old. As we will see, Ledger will gives us something different that Williams wouldn't be able to pull off.


"TRU-DAT"

[Dvhyzs]

Batman 89 was originally going to be a vehicle for Bill Murray and Eddie Murphy(as Robin!)
Wow, That is almost too pathetic for words.

[jesse custer]

Wow, That is almost too pathetic for words.


adam west wrote a scrpt for a batman tv movie a few years before batman 89, in which he and burt ward would've returned as batman and robin. that wouldve ben cool! too bad it didn't get made because wb was gearing up bats 89

[Mistah_Jay]

you do know ledger got the part right? :dry:
dude,seriously.i just wanna know who else auditioned for the role.If i recall,ed norton was offered for harvey dent but declined the role to do hulk instead.They didn't just pick solely on ledger when there are other actors whose more well suited for the role,and more obvious choice (such as Bettany,glover,etc)

[Nepenthes]

All I know is Nolan originally wanted Sean Penn

[dark_b]

All I know is Nolan originally wanted Sean Pennhe would have a better joker face then ledger.

[Nepenthes]

^ Yep. And he would have a done a GREAT job too but I get the feeling it would've been much of the same from Sean Penn. I think Ledger will bring more imagination and experimentation and he'll be working much harder.

[dark_b]

^ Yep. And he would have a done a GREAT job too but I get the feeling it would've been much of the same from Sean Penn. I think Ledger will bring more imagination and experimentation and he'll be working much harder.i wonder if nolan would change the designe if a different actor would be cast.
i think you can not have the exact joker designe on every actor.

i wonder how would penn look.

[Mistah_Jay]

Penn would rock IMO.I think they would design a little bit closer to killing joke,because he looks alot like the younger version when he was a failed comedian.And his hair should look like when he did All The Kings Men,He had the same hair with the young joker,skinned on each side but leave the top long and waivey.Kinda like Morrisey of The Smiths.

[Keyser Soze]

dude,seriously.i just wanna know who else auditioned for the role.If i recall,ed norton was offered for harvey dent but declined the role to do hulk instead.They didn't just pick solely on ledger when there are other actors whose more well suited for the role,and more obvious choice (such as Bettany,glover,etc)

I think Heath Ledger was cast BECAUSE he wasn't an "obvious choice". Nolan somehow managed to pinpoint somebody that NOBODY had speculated for the part, and since just about everyone in Hollywood was suggested on this site at one point or another, that's quite an achievement.

He clearly saw something in Ledger that he thought could translate perfectly to The Joker he had in mind for "The Dark Knight". A younger, darker, more dangerous Joker than we've seen on film before. And importantly, Heath Ledger has never, to my knowledge, played a Joker-like character, or even a villain. So this is new territory for Ledger too, meaning his performance will be fresh and exciting for him (and hopefully us), rather than just the retreading of familiar ground.

[Mr. Socko]

I remember back when the main candidates were Lachey Hulme, Paul Bettany, and Crispin Glover.

The speculation was huge. Glad none of them were chosen :up:

[SUPERSEBAS]

Crispin Glover would have made a good Joker...if he was a better actor. He has the look, but I've never been impressed by his chops.

It would be interesting to know who lobbied hard or tried out for the part of Joker. Many insiders claimed it was a coveted role by several actors.

We know that Lachey Hulme was being considered (he met with producers), and I'm sure Paul Bettany HAD to be considered (I still contend the guy would be perfect, plus he's a great actor.) Jett even claimed that Sean Penn was Nolan's first choice (it's hard to believe that.)

In any case, does anyone know anything about who was up for the role of Joker? I'm glad they got Ledger, who can actually ACT, but I'm curious to see who else was in the race.

Crispin Glover would be the perfect joker! EVERYTHING on him is perfect, I am very unhappy with this joker look.

Crispin Glover is an amazing actor, we dont need the best actor of the world to make the perfect joker.

Paul Newman is a great actor, and in 1978 maybe a better actor that a young Chris Reeve, he was considereded for Superman, Richar Donner and even Newman inself as a good actor can not see him as Superman, and nobody, for more good actor you seaqrch, can do a so perfect Superman as Reeve did, so ... we need a best oscar actor for the role of joker ? maybe for publisity, but not for the character.

And I can not undestand how mostly people in this and other forums, preffer Ledger to Crispin or other better actor for the part! I search a lot from the material of GLover, and I can not see other guy as the Joker in eseption of the actor of Hannibal Rising ! I am sure that I going to enjoy the movie, but I not going to see the joker on thje screen, that is sure

[Mr. Socko]

Found this on Deviantart, it was made yesterday

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/61239295/?qo=46&q=The+Joker&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5

[Mike_D202]

What is it with Sean Penn?? Everybody and they're moms want him for a move now until it comes to the actual casting. Makes me wonder how well the negotiations/auditions went with him.

They wanted to him to play SUPERMAN back when Kevin Smith was writing the script awhile ago.

[Keyser Soze]

Crispin Glover would be the perfect joker! EVERYTHING on him is perfect, I am very unhappy with this joker look.

Crispin Glover is an amazing actor, we dont need the best actor of the world to make the perfect joker.

Paul Newman is a great actor, and in 1978 maybe a better actor that a young Chris Reeve, he was considereded for Superman, Richar Donner and even Newman inself as a good actor can not see him as Superman, and nobody, for more good actor you seaqrch, can do a so perfect Superman as Reeve did, so ... we need a best oscar actor for the role of joker ? maybe for publisity, but not for the character.

And I can not undestand how mostly people in this and other forums, preffer Ledger to Crispin or other better actor for the part! I search a lot from the material of GLover, and I can not see other guy as the Joker in eseption of the actor of Hannibal Rising ! I am sure that I going to enjoy the movie, but I not going to see the joker on thje screen, that is sure


Joker doesn't need to be played by a tall, lanky guy with a pointy nose and banana chin known for playing weirdo/villain roles. I'd rather they cast someone who was right for the part, rather than someone who merely looks the part. And clearly Nolan saw something in Heath Ledger (who is a highly talented actor, and yes, more talented than Crispin Glover) that made him think he's be perfect for HIS interpretation of The Joker.

[Keyser Soze]

What is it with Sean Penn?? Everybody and they're moms want him for a move now until it comes to the actual casting. Makes me wonder how well the negotiations/auditions went with him.

They wanted to him to play SUPERMAN back when Kevin Smith was writing the script awhile ago.

I remember him being an early favourite of mine to get the role. Though I highly doubted that he would actually end up in the role, as it's not the kid of film he'd accept.

So, while he was in my shortlist, he was never my top chioce. My long-standing top choice was Tim Roth.

[Castlewood]

I like what I've seen so far. It doesn't look much like Joker, but that doesn't mean it's NOT Joker... you know?

For starters, it doesn't even look like Ledger, so that means that Ledger is really getting "lost" in this role. That is to say that we won't be able to recognize him in the movie. No trace of that man can be detected.

I hope we're looking at the screen and thinking, "That's the Joker" instead of "That's Heath Ledger as the Joker." The problem I had with Jack is that I kept thinking "This is Jack Nicholson as the Joker", instead of "This is the Joker." An actor who takes on this role has a serious responsibility of selling it, and if I'm not sold, it's not Joker to me. I want to see a living, breathing, human form of the comic character brought to life on screen.

I dare say that an actor taking on the Joker might be as difficult as playing Hamlet... it might be the most arduous role to play in the history of Hollywood. What other character has such twisted psychology, a distinctive visual appearance, and over-the-top dialogue delivery? I'd say the closest we've had recently was Depp as Jack Sparrow (though there wasn't any psychology there). This is why I think Joker is one of a kind in the Hollywood world... maybe the best, and most difficult.

Why else haven't we seen Joker - a very popular character, and the best villain in all of comics - in a movie since 1989, almost 20 years ago? I'd say it's because it's too damn difficult.

Nolan and Ledger, when you combine them... you got one HUGE set of balls... because not only are they taking on a towering figure in the comic and movie world, but they're changing him DRASTICALLY. They're taking it in a new direction, promising that we're not seeing Jack again, that this is going to be something we've never seen before. Hell, he looks very different than the comics, and he still "feels" like Joker.

And I'm just gonna throw this out there now: His voice in that 40 second trailer sold me instantly... and I didn't even SEE that sum*****.
- It doesn't sound like Heath AT ALL.
- It's exactly how the Joker sounds in my head.
- "Starting tonight, people will die. I'm a man of my word.".... TOTALLY distancing himself from '89, and letting us know that this is "Killing Joke" type.

They're taking a very big risk... but it's gonna pay off big time. This might be one of the great performances in cinema history. I'm not even joking. History in the making.

[Citadel30]

I am glad they didnt go with Sean Penn. He is a great actor- don't get me wrong- but joker needs to be someone who is young and full of life. Ledger is a nut who has enough energy to bounce off the walls and put a massive amount of life into this villan. Penn is a little bit too old and "creaky" to play a raving lunatic that is required for Joker- IMO.

Nolan usually does a great job casting his roles and even Nolan himself was a little skeptical of Ledger until he saw Ledger do the script reading. Something sparked Nolan and hopefully it will makes the fans feel the same way.

[SUPERSEBAS]

Joker doesn't need to be played by a tall, lanky guy with a pointy nose and banana chin known for playing weirdo/villain roles. I'd rather they cast someone who was right for the part, rather than someone who merely looks the part. And clearly Nolan saw something in Heath Ledger (who is a highly talented actor, and yes, more talented than Crispin Glover) that made him think he's be perfect for HIS interpretation of The Joker.

More talented that Crispin? I am not sure about that! What I do know is that public is so mind close that 20 years later, still see him as George McFly, and he play that role just in one movie, and nobody give him the oportunity to show his talent, this would be a great oportunity to him and for us, to see a perfect Joker.

The big problem here,is that no matter what the directors made with the superheros and villan characters, soon or later, almost everybody accept what they do, if Crispin would be the joker this days, I am sure that everybody would be happy, not becuase he is perfect, is because he would be acepted as Ledger is acepted, only becuase the a director cast him, even knowing that he doesnt look like the joker

[Keyser Soze]

I like what I've seen so far. It doesn't look much like Joker, but that doesn't mean it's NOT Joker... you know?

For starters, it doesn't even look like Ledger, so that means that Ledger is really getting "lost" in this role. That is to say that we won't be able to recognize him in the movie. No trace of that man can be detected.

I hope we're looking at the screen and thinking, "That's the Joker" instead of "That's Heath Ledger as the Joker." The problem I had with Jack is that I kept thinking "This is Jack Nicholson as the Joker", instead of "This is the Joker." An actor who takes on this role has a serious responsibility of selling it, and if I'm not sold, it's not Joker to me. I want to see a living, breathing, human form of the comic character brought to life on screen.

I dare say that an actor taking on the Joker might be as difficult as playing Hamlet... it might be the most arduous role to play in the history of Hollywood. What other character has such twisted psychology, a distinctive visual appearance, and over-the-top dialogue delivery? I'd say the closest we've had recently was Depp as Jack Sparrow (though there wasn't any psychology there). This is why I think Joker is one of a kind in the Hollywood world... maybe the best, and most difficult.

Why else haven't we seen Joker - a very popular character, and the best villain in all of comics - in a movie since 1989, almost 20 years ago? I'd say it's because it's too damn difficult.

Nolan and Ledger, when you combine them... you got one HUGE set of balls... because not only are they taking on a towering figure in the comic and movie world, but they're changing him DRASTICALLY. They're taking it in a new direction, promising that we're not seeing Jack again, that this is going to be something we've never seen before. Hell, he looks very different than the comics, and he still "feels" like Joker.

And I'm just gonna throw this out there now: His voice in that 40 second trailer sold me instantly... and I didn't even SEE that sum*****.
- It doesn't sound like Heath AT ALL.
- It's exactly how the Joker sounds in my head.
- "Starting tonight, people will die. I'm a man of my word.".... TOTALLY distancing himself from '89, and letting us know that this is "Killing Joke" type.

They're taking a very big risk... but it's gonna pay off big time. This might be one of the great performances in cinema history. I'm not even joking. History in the making.


Really good post.

The only thing I'd really disagree on is your statement that this doesn't look like The Joker. He has green hair, a white face, and a purple suit. I was sure we wouldn't get the purple suit, so in a way he actually looks MORE like The Joker than I was expecting.

I totally agree with you on the point that Heath Ledger is "losing himself" in the role. Looks nothing like him. Sounds nothing like him. A totally different role to anything he's ever played before. Like you say, I think that when we go to the cinemas, we're going to see The Joker on-screen, not Heath Ledger.

I'm also with you on that feeling you have, that we could be about to witness a truly great performance. Really, it has to be. Say what you will about Jack Nicholson's Joker (I personally thought he was great), but he is branded in the public consciousness. To the average person on the street, Jack Nicholson IS The Joker. He not only still stands as the benchmark against which all other comic book villains are compared, but he truly is one of the most iconic movie villains of all time.

And really, this is the biggest hurdle that The Joker has to overcome in "The Dark Knight". Not his cut-smile. Not that he applies white make-up to his face. In the grand scheme of things, these are small concerns that only the hardcore fanbase will fret over. The REAL threat to Ledger and Nolan is Jack Nicholson, and trying to find a way for their Joker to top him.

And judging from what we've been hearing, Heath Ledger could very well be doing just that with his take on The Joker. And if he tops Jack, then (practically by default), he'll be recognised as one of the best movie villains in recent years, at least.

[Keyser Soze]

More talented that Crispin? I am not sure about that! What I do know is that public is so mind close that 20 years later, still see him as George McFly, and he play that role just in one movie, and nobody give him the oportunity to show his talent, this would be a great oportunity to him and for us, to see a perfect Joker.

You talk about Crispin Glover suffering from close-minded responses from fans? When Heath Ledger was cast as The Joker, how many "Brokebat Mountain" jokes did we get? How many are we still getting?

I've seen several performances from both Crispin Glover and Heath Ledger (though I've not seen "Willard", which I hear was one of Glover's most acclaimed performances) and while both have had their stinkers, I'd rank Ledger's best performances above Crispin's.

[Keyser Soze]

I am glad they didnt go with Sean Penn. He is a great actor- don't get me wrong- but joker needs to be someone who is young and full of life. Ledger is a nut who has enough energy to bounce off the walls and put a massive amount of life into this villan. Penn is a little bit too old and "creaky" to play a raving lunatic that is required for Joker- IMO.

Nolan usually does a great job casting his roles and even Nolan himself was a little skeptical of Ledger until he saw Ledger do the script reading. Something sparked Nolan and hopefully it will makes the fans feel the same way.

Really? I never heard that before. Where did you get that from?

[MAKIEVELLI]

Really good post.

The only thing I'd really disagree on is your statement that this doesn't look like The Joker. He has green hair, a white face, and a purple suit. I was sure we wouldn't get the purple suit, so in a way he actually looks MORE like The Joker than I was expecting.

I totally agree with you on the point that Heath Ledger is "losing himself" in the role. Looks nothing like him. Sounds nothing like him. A totally different role to anything he's ever played before. Like you say, I think that when we go to the cinemas, we're going to see The Joker on-screen, not Heath Ledger.

I'm also with you on that feeling you have, that we could be about to witness a truly great performance. Really, it has to be. Say what you will about Jack Nicholson's Joker (I personally thought he was great), but he is branded in the public consciousness. To the average person on the street, Jack Nicholson IS The Joker. He not only still stands as the benchmark against which all other comic book villains are compared, but he truly is one of the most iconic movie villains of all time.

And really, this is the biggest hurdle that The Joker has to overcome in "The Dark Knight". Not his cut-smile. Not that he applies white make-up to his face. In the grand scheme of things, these are small concerns that only the hardcore fanbase will fret over. The REAL threat to Ledger and Nolan is Jack Nicholson, and trying to find a way for their Joker to top him.

And judging from what we've been hearing, Heath Ledger could very well be doing just that with his take on The Joker. And if he tops Jack, then (practically by default), he'll be recognised as one of the best movie villains in recent years, at least.

IMO he still doesn't look like the Joker.

[Castlewood]

KeyserSoze,

See, I hear you.

And when you think about it, we haven't seen Joker on screen in 20 years... so for the past 20 years, we've been saying "Jack is Joker, Jack is Joker, Jack is Joker". The Average Joe's brain is programmed to say that, because it's all we've seen.

Imagine if for the next 20 years, after TDK is released... the Average Joe's brain thinks of Heath Ledger when you mention the Joker.

If Ledger can do that, we've got a serious shift in movie history. I'm talking HISTORY IN THE MAKING.

Out with the old, in with the new, is what I think.

[Citadel30]

Really? I never heard that before. Where did you get that from?

I will try to dig around and find the article- but I am 99% sure that Nolan made a reference about Ledger coming in out of nowhere and "stealing" the part.

[Keyser Soze]

KeyserSoze,

See, I hear you.

And when you think about it, we haven't seen Joker on screen in 20 years... so for the past 20 years, we've been saying "Jack is Joker, Jack is Joker, Jack is Joker". The Average Joe's brain is programmed to say that, because it's all we've seen.

Imagine if for the next 20 years, after TDK is released... the Average Joe's brain thinks of Heath Ledger when you mention the Joker.

If Ledger can do that, we've got a serious shift in movie history. I'm talking HISTORY IN THE MAKING.

Out with the old, in with the new, is what I think.


Christopher Nolan has definitely set himself a BIG challenge by including The Joker in "The Dark Knight".

Really, he HAS to top Nicholson's Joker. If people walk out of the cinema saying "Heath was okay, but I preferred Nicholson's Joker," then he's failed. He's trying to set this up as the definitive Batman franchise, but how can it be that if Burton still has the definitive Joker? I think this fear has motivated a lot of the changes they've made to the character for this film.

A lot's riding on Heath Ledger knocking this role outta the park, that's for sure.

[MAKIEVELLI]

KeyserSoze,

See, I hear you.

And when you think about it, we haven't seen Joker on screen in 20 years... so for the past 20 years, we've been saying "Jack is Joker, Jack is Joker, Jack is Joker". The Average Joe's brain is programmed to say that, because it's all we've seen.

Imagine if for the next 20 years, after TDK is released... the Average Joe's brain thinks of Heath Ledger when you mention the Joker.

If Ledger can do that, we've got a serious shift in movie history. I'm talking HISTORY IN THE MAKING.

Out with the old, in with the new, is what I think.

I never particularly liked Nicholson's depiction of the Joker. I'm not sure anybody can have a 100% accurate depiction of the Joker i/n a live action production. Just gotta wait to 7/18/08. I hope like hell Heath proves me wrong.

[ghost_x]

KeyserSoze,

See, I hear you.

And when you think about it, we haven't seen Joker on screen in 20 years... so for the past 20 years, we've been saying "Jack is Joker, Jack is Joker, Jack is Joker". The Average Joe's brain is programmed to say that, because it's all we've seen.

Imagine if for the next 20 years, after TDK is released... the Average Joe's brain thinks of Heath Ledger when you mention the Joker.

If Ledger can do that, we've got a serious shift in movie history. I'm talking HISTORY IN THE MAKING.

Out with the old, in with the new, is what I think.

Spot on, which is why when Ledger was very first cast, I said his performance will either fall into two categories, an embarrassing failure or an iconic scene stealer. I'm still hoping for the latter

[DeaDheaD]

I never particularly liked Nicholson's depiction of the Joker. I'm not sure anybody can have a 100% accurate depiction of the Joker i/n a live action production. Just gotta wait to 7/18/08. I hope like hell Heath proves me wrong.

The more times I see Jack's Joker the less i like it, I am convinced Nicholson was drunk the whole he shot that movie, just a big purple idiot.

[SUPERSEBAS]

You talk about Crispin Glover suffering from close-minded responses from fans? When Heath Ledger was cast as The Joker, how many "Brokebat Mountain" jokes did we get? How many are we still getting?

I've seen several performances from both Crispin Glover and Heath Ledger (though I've not seen "Willard", which I hear was one of Glover's most acclaimed performances) and while both have had their stinkers, I'd rank Ledger's best performances above Crispin's.

You should see it! is not a great movie, , Willard is like a young Tim Burton Film, but Crispin GLover is amazing, his acting was great, you should see his face, contained violence he show on him, wen I see that, I say ... wow, if Crisping made the same as the joker, but with that contained violence expressed outside, that would be amazing, plus he looks like the joker but with no make up.

[Keyser Soze]

You should see it! is not a great movie, , Willard is like a young Tim Burton Film, but Crispin GLover is amazing, his acting was great, you should see his face, contained violence he show on him, wen I see that, I say ... wow, if Crisping made the same as the joker, but with that contained violence expressed outside, that would be amazing, plus he looks like the joker but with no make up.

Well I may check it out next time its on TV.

[SUPERSEBAS]

Well I may check it out next time its on TV.

Well ... check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8FAOOTAkM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pF0EUswNiE&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgTyY_hfcK0&mode=related&search=

[MechaOrga]

Besides Bale, Nolan doesn't have luck when casting these Bat films.

Not to say the cast he ends up with isnt great(I thnk the BB cast was much better than what he originally wanted i.e. Viggo Mortenson for Ras, Hopkins for alfred, Chris cooper for Gordon,)

I even heard or read that the reason Katie Holmes got the part was because she was one of the very few actresses who wanted to audition unlike other actresses he was interested in who refused to audition for the part(forgot what magazine i read...)

The same with this film too (he wanted Damon or Norton but got Aaron, he wanted Penn but got Ledger)

This happens in the movie industry alot but still never the less its very interesting

[MAKIEVELLI]

Besides Bale, Nolan doesn't have luck when casting these Bat films.

Not to say the cast he ends up with isnt great(I thnk the BB cast was much better than what he originally wanted i.e. Viggo Mortenson for Ras, Hopkins for alfred, Chris cooper for Gordon,)

I even heard or read that the reason Katie Holmes got the part was because she was one of the very few actresses who wanted to audition unlike other actresses he was interested in who refused to audition for the part(forgot what magazine i read...)

The same with this film too (he wanted Damon or Norton but got Aaron, he wanted Penn but got Ledger)

This happens in the movie industry alot but still never the less its very interesting

I think I remember reading somewhere the Rachel Dawes character was written especially for Katie Holmes.

[rpenguin]

Half the time when actors "decline roles" it's a rumour that never really went anywhere. Most likely who the studio possibly had in mind, not the director. (remember Bettany and whoever else BOF reported as Joker for months?)

[DSET]

NEW BEHIND-THE-SCENES FOOTAGE! With the Joker!

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007/08/audio-17-minute-interview-with-hot-rod.html

uhhh

what the??:huh:

[SeattleBatman]

Joker doesn't need to be played by a tall, lanky guy with a pointy nose and banana chin known for playing weirdo/villain roles. I'd rather they cast someone who was right for the part, rather than someone who merely looks the part. And clearly Nolan saw something in Heath Ledger (who is a highly talented actor, and yes, more talented than Crispin Glover) that made him think he's be perfect for HIS interpretation of The Joker.

Great post. I couldn't agree with you more.

Crispin Glover is far from the high-caliber actor that Heath Ledger is or even will be. Just because he plays a weirdo in every film he's ever been in and may look like a real-life Joker, doesn't mean he is right for the part. Have you ever seen him on TV interviews? The guy has some serious issues (ever seen the trailer to "What is it?" that he wrote and directed?)...

Also, how can anyone honestly question Nolan's casting after the success of Batman Begins? As far as I'm concerned he put together one of the best casts for a film I've ever seen.

All reports from Chicago indicate that Ledger's Joker is phenomenal, and all actors involved keep emphasizing this point as well.

I guess haters will always play a role on these boards...

[Mr. Socko]

Thanks for the link


http://bttf2.stoko981.com/images/excast/crispin01.jpg

[DeaDheaD]

Besides Bale, Nolan doesn't have luck when casting these Bat films.

Not to say the cast he ends up with isnt great(I thnk the BB cast was much better than what he originally wanted i.e. Viggo Mortenson for Ras, Hopkins for alfred, Chris cooper for Gordon,)

I even heard or read that the reason Katie Holmes got the part was because she was one of the very few actresses who wanted to audition unlike other actresses he was interested in who refused to audition for the part(forgot what magazine i read...)

The same with this film too (he wanted Damon or Norton but got Aaron, he wanted Penn but got Ledger)

This happens in the movie industry alot but still never the less its very interesting
Some actors just dont want the Reeves or Keaton treatment, being stuck with the character, even after you're done with the movie

[Mr. Socko]

Hey you, get ur damn hands off my girl!

[DeaDheaD]

Thanks for the link


http://bttf2.stoko981.com/images/excast/crispin01.jpg

Starting tonite, I'm a mcFLY!!!, *snort* hehe *snort* *gasp for air* *double snort*

[Mr. Socko]

I saw an interview with him once and he said he was kidnapped by Aliens. I think he smokes that good.

[SeattleBatman]

Sorry! Wrong link! Was too excited! lol This is the correct one:

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007/08/behind-scenes-video-of-dark-knight-with.html

Good find! It looks like Heath's pretty animated with this role...The production video is pretty useless though.

Love that Joker!

[Mr. Todd]

Sorry! Wrong link! Was too excited! lol This is the correct one:

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007/08/behind-scenes-video-of-dark-knight-with.html

Sweet find! :up:

Just PM'd it to hunter rider so he can add it to the "Joker sightings" thread (don't worry, I said u origanally posted it).

[Bandyt]

I like how he looked like he was getting into character with the way he moved. his lips look thicker than they did in the latest "knife" pic.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Sorry! Wrong link! Was too excited! lol This is the correct one:

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007/08/behind-scenes-video-of-dark-knight-with.html

Sweet! Thanks for the link. Joker looks great.

[Keyser Soze]

Awesome video! What I love is that - from a distance - the cut-smile really DOES look like a big friendly grin. It's enough to give you shudders, the thought of seeing what you think is a big clownish smile from a distance, only for the true horror to be revealed as you get closer...

[Mr. Socko]

Awesome video! What I love is that - from a distance - the cut-smile really DOES look like a big friendly grin. It's enough to give you shudders, the thought of seeing what you think is a big clownish smile from a distance, only for the true horror to be revealed as you get closer...


Definitely. I noticed that too :up:

[gwynplaine]

Wonderful video. This is the Joker I've been waiting for for a very long time. Nolan and Ledger are men of their word.

[CaptainClown]

I love the little swing he does

[Yurka]

he just moves like the joker should, im impressed with just this little clip, I cant wait for the movie

[Dcknight]

I think Heath Ledger was cast BECAUSE he wasn't an "obvious choice". Nolan somehow managed to pinpoint somebody that NOBODY had speculated for the part, and since just about everyone in Hollywood was suggested on this site at one point or another, that's quite an achievement.

He clearly saw something in Ledger that he thought could translate perfectly to The Joker he had in mind for "The Dark Knight". A younger, darker, more dangerous Joker than we've seen on film before. And importantly, Heath Ledger has never, to my knowledge, played a Joker-like character, or even a villain. So this is new territory for Ledger too, meaning his performance will be fresh and exciting for him (and hopefully us), rather than just the retreading of familiar ground.

PLus Nolan did see Heath in an audition, and that is maybe what makes him think '' WTF He's amazinggg!!!!''

[gwynplaine]

I think Heath Ledger was cast BECAUSE he wasn't an "obvious choice". Nolan somehow managed to pinpoint somebody that NOBODY had speculated for the part, and since just about everyone in Hollywood was suggested on this site at one point or another, that's quite an achievement.

He clearly saw something in Ledger that he thought could translate perfectly to The Joker he had in mind for "The Dark Knight". A younger, darker, more dangerous Joker than we've seen on film before. And importantly, Heath Ledger has never, to my knowledge, played a Joker-like character, or even a villain. So this is new territory for Ledger too, meaning his performance will be fresh and exciting for him (and hopefully us), rather than just the retreading of familiar ground.
Spoken like someone who truly knows about movies and the process of making them.

[Untilteld]

that new video is pretty cool

[hegele]

I totally agree. Nolan loves to surprise casting. He is the complete opposite of a type caster. We want selfless heroes? Get the guys who are popular for playing Patrick Bateman and Lee Harvey Oswald. You want psychotic villains? Get the guy who was nominated for an oscar for being a soft spoken gay cowboy. Not just because its new to them, but because its new to us and more importantly, they have the talent to completely wear a new personality.

I shutter to imagine Paul (Silas) Betanny or Crispan (crazy ****er) Glover getting the part. We would know every note they would throw at the character a year before we got to see them.

[Mike_D202]

Is Heath smacking somebody in the ass with that object in the video?

[Darkly Dexter]

youtube link to the video please?

[Juanigi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EseJN3jJpCo

[That-Guy]

I totally agree. Nolan loves to surprise casting. He is the complete opposite of a type caster.

See, in some ways I would agree with that, but he DID cast Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox, and that was typecasting at its most obvious, Freeman almost always gets type cast in some type of mentor/fatherly-type role. Not that he isn't good in those parts, but seriously, he's always mentoring someone, I think even more often than Liam Neeson does.

[CaptainClown]

that new video is pretty cool

I love your new icon I laughed out loud with that one

[Noir]

that new video is pretty cool
1:up:

[NoName86]

Question...does it look to anyone else that he is practicing "throwing" something at someone? Could that be a scene where Dent is transported in a car by bodyguard, and somehow there is some diversion or whatever and the Joker throws the acid there? It would hit the right side of the face from the side...

Probably not...lol

[MAKIEVELLI]

Question...does it look to anyone else that he is practicing "throwing" something at someone? Could that be a scene where Dent is transported in a car by bodyguard, and somehow there is some diversion or whatever and the Joker throws the acid there? It would hit the right side of the face from the side...

Probably not...lol

Well unless he's going to be aiming for Dent's ass..........:cwink:

[Compi716]

To me, it seems like Heath is practicing stabbing someone in the stomach.

[Keyser Soze]

To me, it looks like The Joker is telling us Anthony Michael Hall is playing The Riddler.

[Delbert_Grady]

See, in some ways I would agree with that, but he DID cast Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox, and that was typecasting at its most obvious, Freeman almost always gets type cast in some type of mentor/fatherly-type role. Not that he isn't good in those parts, but seriously, he's always mentoring someone, I think even more often than Liam Neeson does.

Sure, but a film-maker can't waste much time setting up relatively minor characters. They're just not worth it. They are not complex characters. What is the role of Fox and Alfred in these films? It is to be Bruce/Bats mentors. So pick actors with gravitas who have that mentoring thing off to a T. They give the films weight and ... yeah, gravitas.... and the director can get on with more difficult and interesting stuff.

This is standard casting practice and it works. Think McKellen and Harris as the young heroes' wizard mentors in LOTR and Potter.

Now if Nolan had gone that typecast route for the main characters, these films would be dull and uninteresting and we probably wouldn't be here. But for supporting roles - fine.

[Darkly Dexter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EseJN3jJpCo


thanks :up:

[CaptainClown]

I didn't see Morgan too much as a typecast as much as Liam Neeson

[Keyser Soze]

Sure, but a film-maker can't waste much time setting up relatively minor characters. They're just not worth it. They are not complex characters. What is the role of Fox and Alfred in these films? It is to be Bruce/Bats mentors. So pick actors with gravitas who have that mentoring thing off to a T. They give the films weight and ... yeah, gravitas.... and the director can get on with more difficult and interesting stuff.

This is standard casting practice and it works. Think McKellen and Harris as the young heroes' wizard mentors in LOTR and Potter.

Now if Nolan had gone that typecast route for the main characters, these films would be dull and uninteresting and we probably wouldn't be here. But for supporting roles - fine.

Welcome to the Hype!

I just wanted to say that Michael Caine was far from typecasting, as far as Alfred is concerned. Alfred has always been seen as a very upper-class style character, while Michael Caine brought an entirely different dimension to the role.

[CaptainClown]

Welcome to the Hype!

I just wanted to say that Michael Caine was far from typecasting, as far as Alfred is concerned. Alfred has always been seen as a very upper-class style character, while Michael Caine brought an entirely different dimension to the role.

I agree

[Marvolo]

I agree

Me too. Caine is one of my favorite actors, and he was perfect as Alfred. He had the emotional moments down. When he needed to be funny he did it with class. When he needed to convey sorrow and love he did it with class. Two senes I love with Caine are these.

1. After the funeral when Bruce is standing in his room, and he starts crying to Alfred blaming himself for his parents death, and Alfred comforts him and tells him it is nothing he did, I nearly broke into tears myself, and when Bruce says "I miss them Alfred" and Alfred says " so do I, sir, so do I" I did begin to cry. You can feel the emotion coming from Alfred.

2. In the elevator shaft when the mansion is burning, and Bruce says "What have I done, Alfred?" and Alfred says "why do we fall, sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up again" and Bruce looks at him and says " You still haven't give up on me." and Alfred look at him and lovingly says "Never".

Those two scenes show how good of an actor Caine is and how good he can portray a character. I believe Caine as Alfred. When he is funny, sad, or loving I believe it. I hope he sticks around and continues to play Alfred.

[Delbert_Grady]

I wasn't talking about the comics, but about Caine's recent film work. He and Freeman usually play mentor types nowadays, as he did in The Prestige. Audiences like and trust these guys.

Thanks for the welcome!

[CaptainClown]

Its Micheal Caine. MUPPETS CHRISTMAS CAROL!

[Marvolo]

I wasn't talking about the comics, but about Caine's recent film work. He and Freeman usually play mentor types nowadays, as he did in The Prestige. Audiences like and trust these guys.

Thanks for the welcome!

The type of characters Morgan and Caine play are the characters everyone would like to know in real life. I think that is why audiences love them and their characters.

[Marvolo]

I wasn't talking about the comics, but about Caine's recent film work. He and Freeman usually play mentor types nowadays, as he did in The Prestige. Audiences like and trust these guys.

Thanks for the welcome!

The type of characters Morgan and Caine play are the characters everyone would like to know in real life. I think that is why audiences love them and their characters.

[Marvolo]

I wasn't talking about the comics, but about Caine's recent film work. He and Freeman usually play mentor types nowadays, as he did in The Prestige. Audiences like and trust these guys.

Thanks for the welcome!

The type of characters Morgan and Caine play are the characters everyone would like to know in real life. I think that is why audiences love them and their characters.

[Shoemeister]

I think Heath Ledger was cast BECAUSE he wasn't an "obvious choice". Nolan somehow managed to pinpoint somebody that NOBODY had speculated for the part, and since just about everyone in Hollywood was suggested on this site at one point or another, that's quite an achievement.

He clearly saw something in Ledger that he thought could translate perfectly to The Joker he had in mind for "The Dark Knight". A younger, darker, more dangerous Joker than we've seen on film before. And importantly, Heath Ledger has never, to my knowledge, played a Joker-like character, or even a villain. So this is new territory for Ledger too, meaning his performance will be fresh and exciting for him (and hopefully us), rather than just the retreading of familiar ground.

Thank you. This is all so obvious, and yet people are so unbelievably dense.

[Yurka]

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/kim_basinger10.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/joooooker.jpg



looks like joker and his kidnapping have gotten alot more serious :up:

[Yurka]

EDIT:double post

[gwynplaine]

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/kim_basinger10.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/joooooker.jpg



looks like joker and his kidnapping have gotten alot more serious :up:
It was about time somebody brought back some dignity and some sense of menace to the character.

[roach]

when didnt he have some menace????

[Keyser Soze]

Enough with the Jack Nicholson knocking! Nicholson was great as The Joker. He is probably one of the most iconic film villains ever. Forget the cut-smile, or The Joker applying make-up, that's small potatoes. The REAL hurdle Ledger has to overcome, his convincing the general moviegoing public that he's the definitive Joker on film, and not Jack.

[hegele]

Enough with the Jack Nicholson knocking! Nicholson was great as The Joker. He is probably one of the most iconic film villains ever. Forget the cut-smile, or The Joker applying make-up, that's small potatoes. The REAL hurdle Ledger has to overcome, his convincing the general moviegoing public that he's the definitive Joker on film, and not Jack.

exactly. Something we can not fully judge until the film is released.

[Crook]

The REAL hurdle Ledger has to overcome, his convincing the general moviegoing public that he's the definitive Joker on film, and not Jack.
I don't see why he can't be on par.

Daniel Craig is easily the most highly praised Bond on an actor's first outing, but I don't see him topping Connery any time soon. Craig will be the Bond of this generation, but it's next to impossible, to top the original.

[CaptainClown]

I don't see why he can't be on par.

Daniel Craig is easily the most highly praised Bond on an actor's first outing, but I don't see him topping Connery any time soon. Craig will be the Bond of this generation, but it's next to impossible, to top the original.

It really subjective to determine which one is better.

[hegele]

I don't see why he can't be on par.

Daniel Craig is easily the most highly praised Bond on an actor's first outing, but I don't see him topping Connery any time soon. Craig will be the Bond of this generation, but it's next to impossible, to top the original.

I agree, I can't see anything coming that will make me think Jack's Joker is second rate. I loved him in the role.

[Marvolo]

Enough with the Jack Nicholson knocking! Nicholson was great as The Joker. He is probably one of the most iconic film villains ever. Forget the cut-smile, or The Joker applying make-up, that's small potatoes. The REAL hurdle Ledger has to overcome, his convincing the general moviegoing public that he's the definitive Joker on film, and not Jack.

This is another reason why Ledger's joker needs to be scary and truly psychotic with no regard for life. Nicholson's joker was too funny.
The joker isn't supposed to be funny to the audience, because nobody but the joker can see humor in what he does except himself. Only one person is suppossed to laugh at the jokerand his crimes, and that is the joker himself. This is what will truly make the jokerin TDK. His actions need to truly be unbelievablly twisted for me to believe Ledger as the joker.

[Keyser Soze]

I don't see why he can't be on par.

Daniel Craig is easily the most highly praised Bond on an actor's first outing, but I don't see him topping Connery any time soon. Craig will be the Bond of this generation, but it's next to impossible, to top the original.

Exactly. And my point was that you can bet that the vast majority of film audiences coming out from seeing "The Dark Knight" in 2008 won't be saying "OMGZ The Joker applied white make-up they ruined the character!", they'll be comparing Ledger to Nicholson, and arguing over who was better.

[CaptainClown]

This is another reason why Ledger's joker needs to be scary and truly psychotic with no regard for life. Nicholson's joker was too funny.
The joker isn't supposed to be funny to the audience, because nobody but the joker can see humor in what he does except himself. Only one person is suppossed to laugh at the jokerand his crimes, and that is the joker himself. This is what will truly make the jokerin TDK. His actions need to truly be unbelievablly twisted for me to believe Ledger as the joker.

The Joker could be funny even hilarious but he needs a balance between silly and deadly. It all depends on ones version of the Joker

[Marvolo]

Enough with the Jack Nicholson knocking! Nicholson was great as The Joker. He is probably one of the most iconic film villains ever. Forget the cut-smile, or The Joker applying make-up, that's small potatoes. The REAL hurdle Ledger has to overcome, his convincing the general moviegoing public that he's the definitive Joker on film, and not Jack.

This is another reason why Ledger's joker needs to be scary and truly psychotic with no regard for life. Nicholson's joker was too funny.
The joker isn't supposed to be funny to the audience, because nobody but the joker can see humor in what he does except himself. This is what people don't seem to grasp about the joker. His cimes are suppossed to be sick and twisted not funny. Only one person is suppossed to laugh at the joker and his crimes, and that is the joker himself. Because he is thonly one that gets them. This is what will truly make the joker in TDK. His actions need to truly be unbelievablly twisted for me to believe that Ledger is the true joker.

[itsthebatman]

Exactly. And my point was that you can bet that the vast majority of film audiences coming out from seeing "The Dark Knight" in 2008 won't be saying "OMGZ The Joker applied white make-up they ruined the character!", they'll be comparing Ledger to Nicholson, and arguing over who was better.
I will be.:oldrazz:

[Mr. Socko]

when didnt he have some menace????


http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/Movies/Actors3/Batman_PF0255521_150x200.jpg

[Marvolo]

The Joker could be funny even hilarious but he needs a balance between silly and deadly. It all depends on ones version of the Joker

The joker to me is not someone you can laugh at. He is someone that you are suppossed to be sickened and terrified by. I don't want to laugh at his crimes or him, because that is not realistic. He is not someone that you laugh at.

I know this different for some, but I want the true psychoticness of the joker to really shine in TDK. I don't want slapstick antics like Nicholson did. I mean no offense to Nicholson's performance. He just wasn't the joker I wanted.

[hegele]

i think he should try and be funny, but done so that nobody will think he is funny.

Like when Alex sings Singing in the Rain while raping a woman in Clockwork Orange. DOne so in a PG-13 manner of course.

[itsthebatman]

http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/Movies/Actors3/Batman_PF0255521_150x200.jpg
Who is that masked man?

[Keyser Soze]

i think he should try and be funny, but done so that nobody will think he is funny.

Like when Alex sings Singing in the Rain while raping a woman in Clockwork Orange. DOne so in a PG-13 manner of course.

I thought that was funny. :dry:

[Mr. Socko]

The Joker could be funny even hilarious but he needs a balance between silly and deadly. It all depends on ones version of the Joker

QFT!

I'm thumbing through Killing Joke right now.

On page 9, he uses a hand buzzer to kill a man. On page 13, he menacingly shoots Barbra. Page 24, he has Gordon tortured. On page 32 he blurts out corny jokes, jumps around and laughs at them. On page 40 he tries to stab Batman and on page 42 he pulls out a gun, points it at Batman, and he shoots it off as a flag pops out of it.

Joker has always been both silly and comical, and deadly and homicidal.

[Mr. Socko]

The joker to me is not someone you can laugh at. He is someone that you are suppossed to be sickened and terrified by. I don't want to laugh at his crimes or him, because that is not realistic. He is not someone that you laugh at.

I know this different for some, but I want the true psychoticness of the joker to really shine in TDK. I don't want slapstick antics like Nicholson did. I mean no offense to Nicholson's performance. He just wasn't the joker I wanted.

Many of those "slapstick antics" were taken right out of the comics including the acid spurting flower and the pop flag gun. If you think the Joker shouldn't be comical, even if only to himself, then you don't know the Joker. However, I do understand if Nicholson wasn't the Joker you wanted but his actions were derived directly from the comics, to say he was unfaithful is to not know Batman-lore(not saying you, just in general)

[MAKIEVELLI]

Me too. Caine is one of my favorite actors, and he was perfect as Alfred. He had the emotional moments down. When he needed to be funny he did it with class. When he needed to convey sorrow and love he did it with class. Two senes I love with Caine are these.

1. After the funeral when Bruce is standing in his room, and he starts crying to Alfred blaming himself for his parents death, and Alfred comforts him and tells him it is nothing he did, I nearly broke into tears myself, and when Bruce says "I miss them Alfred" and Alfred says " so do I, sir, so do I" I did begin to cry. You can feel the emotion coming from Alfred.

2. In the elevator shaft when the mansion is burning, and Bruce says "What have I done, Alfred?" and Alfred says "why do we fall, sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up again" and Bruce looks at him and says " You still haven't give up on me." and Alfred look at him and lovingly says "Never".

Those two scenes show how good of an actor Caine is and how good he can portray a character. I believe Caine as Alfred. When he is funny, sad, or loving I believe it. I hope he sticks around and continues to play Alfred.

You actually cried? No offense, but are you a dude or a chick?

[CaptainClown]

The joker to me is not someone you can laugh at. He is someone that you are suppossed to be sickened and terrified by. I don't want to laugh at his crimes or him, because that is not realistic. He is not someone that you laugh at.

I know this different for some, but I want the true psychoticness of the joker to really shine in TDK. I don't want slapstick antics like Nicholson did. I mean no offense to Nicholson's performance. He just wasn't the joker I wanted.

See thats where it depends on the person. I love it when he acts silly, when he is not serious. But when he is angry he gets deadly. I think the best way is that scene where he is getting laughed at by Terry in Batman Beyond Return of the Joker. I mean I love your version of the Joker but I love how he acts like an idiot at times but really has some aces up his sleeve.

[MAKIEVELLI]

Enough with the Jack Nicholson knocking! Nicholson was great as The Joker. He is probably one of the most iconic film villains ever. Forget the cut-smile, or The Joker applying make-up, that's small potatoes. The REAL hurdle Ledger has to overcome, his convincing the general moviegoing public that he's the definitive Joker on film, and not Jack.

I don't know about you guys but I hated Nicholson's Joker. IMO it was just Nicholson in Joker makeup. The definite Joker in my mind is Mark Hamill. Apart from his physical look and judging from the trailer, I think Heath's Joker is going to knock Nicholson's out of the park.

[Mr. Socko]

I don't know about you guys but I hated Nicholson's Joker. IMO it was just Nicholson in Joker makeup. The definite Joker in my mind is Mark Hamill. Apart from his physical look and judging from the trailer, I think Heath's Joker is going to knock Nicholson's out of the park.

I believe Heath will do a great job as well. As I said a few posts up, many may not like Nicholson's Joker, but he was faithful and captured the essence of old school Joker. If anyone doesn't think so, or believes Joker shouldn't be comical, I'd gladly be willing to search through my database to show otherwise.

[Dvhyzs]

I believe Heath will do a great job as well. As I said a few posts up, many may not like Nicholson's Joker, but he was faithful and captured the essence of old school Joker.
The only thing i didn't like about his portrayal was that he didn't fit the "bill" proportionally. But besides that he was :up:.

[Yurka]

Enough with the Jack Nicholson knocking! Nicholson was great as The Joker. He is probably one of the most iconic film villains ever. Forget the cut-smile, or The Joker applying make-up, that's small potatoes. The REAL hurdle Ledger has to overcome, his convincing the general moviegoing public that he's the definitive Joker on film, and not Jack.

I'm not knocking Jack at all!!!
look at my avvy for God's sake. I loved him as the Joker, I thought he did an amazing job, but as far as "staying true to the comics" goes, Heath's joker is pulling ahead.

[Keyser Soze]

I'm not knocking Jack at all!!!
look at my avvy for God's sake. I loved him as the Joker, I thought he did an amazing job, but as far as "staying true to the comics" goes, Heath's joker is pulling ahead.

I wasn't referring to you, it was a response to someone's comment that Ledger had to "bring dignity back" to the character after Jack's portrayal.

[Yurka]

I wasn't referring to you, it was a response to someone's comment that Ledger had to "bring dignity back" to the character after Jack's portrayal.

ok good.

[Keyser Soze]

And as for the people that say The Joker's never funny:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/JokerFastFood.jpg

I defy you not to laugh at that! :woot:

[Mr. Socko]

LMAO! That seems just like something Hamill's Joker would do. Damn him, his voice always comes up when I'm reading a comic featuring Joker.

The only thing i didn't like about his portrayal was that he didn't fit the "bill" proportionally. But besides that he was .

I feel the same way. The only thing I disliked about his Joker was he was a bit shorter and more round than skinny.

Y'know, there's a video of Bob Kane on the SE of Batman'89, in it Mr. Kane says Nicholson played a perfect Joker, I'm tempted to quote it in my sig :D

[gwynplaine]

I wasn't referring to you, it was a response to someone's comment that Ledger had to "bring dignity back" to the character after Jack's portrayal.
That someone is me and Nicholson dancing to Prince really didn't work for me as the Joker. Of course that is only my humble opinion and I respect everyone's taste. I prefer my Joker scarier,skinnier and younger that's all. And BTW, Jack Nicholson is my favourite actor.

[StorminNorman]

And as for the people that say The Joker's never funny:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/JokerFastFood.jpg

I defy you not to laugh at that! :woot:

TEOL

[StorminNorman]

That someone is me and Nicholson dancing to Prince really didn't work for me as the Joker. Of course that is only my humble opinion and I respect everyone's taste. I prefer my Joker scarier,skinnier and younger that's all. And BTW, Jack Nicholson is my favourite actor.

I don't want a Joker that wouldn't dance to Prince :cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

[Batty Belfry]

And as for the people that say The Joker's never funny:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/JokerFastFood.jpg

I defy you not to laugh at that! :woot:

That is priceless! :woot:

[Yurka]

Anyone else absolutely hate this representation?
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/arkhamasylumjoker.jpg

[MAKIEVELLI]

And as for the people that say The Joker's never funny:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/JokerFastFood.jpg

I defy you not to laugh at that! :woot:

ROFLMFAO. Is that from a comic, that's ****ing hilarious!!!

[Dvhyzs]

Anyone else absolutely hate this representation?
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/arkhamasylumjoker.jpg
Ugh, I read that for the first time last week. He looks like ralph from edd, ed n' eddy.:o

[MAKIEVELLI]

Anyone else absolutely hate this representation?
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/arkhamasylumjoker.jpg

Why does he look so much like the grinch?

[Yurka]

I can't stand it, the uni-brow along with the jerry-curl is too much.

[Batty Belfry]

Anyone else absolutely hate this representation?
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/arkhamasylumjoker.jpg

What is that from? I can't stand it..

[Bishop]

Anyone else absolutely hate this representation?
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/arkhamasylumjoker.jpg


last time i checked joker had two eyebrows

[Marvolo]

And as for the people that say The Joker's never funny:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/JokerFastFood.jpg

I defy you not to laugh at that! :woot:

That was great!:woot: Which comic is that from?

[Yurka]

What is that from? I can't stand it..
Arkham Asylum : Living Hell

[Dvhyzs]

Arkham Asylum : Living Hell
I am ashamed to have it on my computer.:cmad:

[Yurka]

I am ashamed to have it on my computer.:cmad:

Yea, I'm ashamed to own it. :cmad:

[Anguissette1979]

Anyone else absolutely hate this representation?
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/arkhamasylumjoker.jpg

My eyes! They're burning! :eek:

translation: No, sir... I don't like it. :dry:

[Mr. Socko]

Ew. I can't read comics with terrible art.

[Batty Belfry]

Arkham Asylum : Living Hell

Thanks Yurka! I'm open to many interpretations, I even like Lee Bermejo's to some extent, but that one is too far removed from the original look of the character IMO. Something about the way it's drawn bugs me..:huh:

[Mister J]

ROFLMFAO. Is that from a comic, that's ****ing hilarious!!!

That was great!:woot: Which comic is that from?
Detective Comics 826 - -Paul Dini/Don Kramer. Excellent stuff.

[Yurka]

Ew. I can't read comics with terrible art.

The joker is really the only terrible looking thing in the comic, Two-Face looks pretty cool,Killer Croc looks badass, everyone is looks pretty awesome. (Humpty Dumpty is in it though :o )

such a f'd up comic though :down

[Bishop]

the art for 'dark knight returns' was awful, and that's an excellent comic

[Figs]

Yea, I'm ashamed to own it. :cmad:


As am I. LOL

[Yurka]

Thanks Yurka! I'm open to many interpretations, I even like Lee Bermejo's to some extent, but that one is too far removed from the original look of the character IMO. Something about the way it's drawn bugs me..:huh:

I've actually always liked Bermejo's Joker, at least he got the creepy-ness of him down, and sometimes you can barely tell the cut smile is there. I'd take Bermejo's Joker over that Uni-browed Pedophile looking Joker anyday.

[Mr. Socko]

I gotta say, Frank Miller's drawings barely look like drawings at all. It's like he just doodles up rough sketches, say **** it and slaps it on the page. But he's an exellent writer.

[gwynplaine]

I gotta say, Frank Miller's drawings barely look like drawings at all. It's like he just doodles up rough sketches, say **** it and slaps it on the page. But he's an exellent writer.
You are right about his writing skills and he is indeed no Brian Bolland.

[Bishop]

I gotta say, Frank Miller's drawings barely look like drawings at all. It's like he just doodles up rough sketches, say **** it and slaps it on the page. But he's an exellent writer.

frank miller's writing speaks for itself. i just wish he'd either become a novelist or work with a decent artist (other than jim lee, who's become a bit of a whore).

[Batty Belfry]

I've actually always liked Bermejo's Joker, at least he got the creepy-ness of him down, and sometimes you can barely tell the cut smile is there. I'd take Bermejo's Joker over that Uni-browed Pedophile looking Joker anyday.

I agree completely! It does look like a pedophile. I was thinking the same thing but didn't really wanna say it, but it does....

I took that Bermejo drawing of the Joker pulling back the Mobsters lips, printed it out poster-size at work and matted it and hung it up over my computer. People are afraid to come to my office anymore, it's great! :woot: It looks great too, I'll have to take a photo for you. :up:

[Yurka]

I agree completely! It does look like a pedophile. I was thinking the same thing but didn't really wanna say it, but it does....

I took that Bermejo drawing of the Joker pulling back the Mobsters lips, printed it out poster-size at work and matted it and hung it up over my computer. People are afraid to come to my office anymore, it's great! :woot: It looks great too, I'll have to take a photo for you. :up:

haha,
damn dude that sounds awesome, yeah please take a picture of that.
I was thinking of doing the same thing with one of Jim Lee's Joker's. Probably the pic he dedicated to Heath, I freaking love that drawing.

[Mr. Socko]

haha,
damn dude that sounds awesome, yeah please take a picture of that.
I was thinking of doing the same thing with one of Jim Lee's Joker's. Probably the pic he dedicated to Heath, I freaking love that drawing.


Which one? Please post!

[Batty Belfry]

haha,
damn dude that sounds awesome, yeah please take a picture of that.
I was thinking of doing the same thing with one of Jim Lee's Joker's. Probably the pic he dedicated to Heath, I freaking love that drawing.

Cool, I'll have to remember to bring my camera on Monday. :yay:

That drawing that Lee did for Heath was really nice. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

Someone post it please :(

[Marvolo]

Can someone post the drawing he dedicated to heath?

[Batty Belfry]

Can someone post the drawing he dedicated to heath?

It's on the 2nd to last page of the Iconic Joker Imagery thread in the non-spoiler section.

[Marvolo]

You actually cried? No offense, but are you a dude or a chick?

I am a dude, and when I say cry I mean shed an emotional tear. I didn't bawl.

[Yurka]

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/JimLee.jpg

I've been wanting to enlarge this and put it on my wall since I first saw it.

[MAKIEVELLI]

I am a dude, and when I say cry I mean shed an emotional tear. I didn't bawl.

I'm sure you didn't.:cwink:

[Mr. Socko]

Thanks, I really like it, but dammit why did he have to make the nose and chin 24 inches long :(

[Batty Belfry]

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/JimLee.jpg

I've been wanting to enlarge this and put it on my wall since I first saw it.

Yeah, that is pretty sick. I love the eyes!

[Yurka]

Thanks, I really like it, but dammit why did he have to make the nose and chin 24 inches long :(

Yeah I know they are extremely exaggerated but I love how he draws the Joker. Especially this one.

[Dvhyzs]

I was never a fan of the erection nose and leno chin. But other than that everything is pretty choice.

[Marvolo]

I don't like the long nose, but it is still pretty cool.

[Mr. Socko]

Agree. It has some great qualities and is a really good drawing though. Love the eyes, has a genuine menace to it.

[Batty Belfry]

If I were that Joker, I'd easily give up my life of crime and get into the lucrative porn industry. With a gimmick like that, he'd make a killing...

[Dvhyzs]

Without a doubt the eyes and smile are 9.9/10, but why does he have rosey cheeks?:oldrazz:

[Bond]

I hate Jim Lee Joker.

2 words:

Brian Bolland.

That was pretty nice of him to draw a pic for Heath though.

[Dvhyzs]

I hate Jim Lee Joker.

2 words:

Brian Bolland.

That was pretty nice of him to draw a pic for Heath though.
Best depiction of the joker. EVER.(besides Arkham Asylum)

[Marvolo]

What does Brian Bolland's joker look like?

[Dvhyzs]

What does Brian Bolland's joker look like?
:dry: ...i'll let it slide.
http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/dc022004/big/TheKillingJokePoster.jpg

[Bishop]

dave mckean's joker in arkham asylum is by far the most bone-chilling depiction, though bolland's is a good all-rounder.

[hannya]

:dry: ...i'll let it slide.
http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/dc022004/big/TheKillingJokePoster.jpg

The (mostly) undisputed greatest of all time. :yay:

[Yurka]

I hate Jim Lee Joker.

2 words:

Brian Bolland.

That was pretty nice of him to draw a pic for Heath though.

Bolland's is ok. some of the ones hes drawn though REAALLLY irratate me.

like this. :cmad:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/joke.jpg

[Anguissette1979]

Bolland's is ok. some of the ones hes drawn though REAALLLY irratate me.

like this. :cmad:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/joke.jpg
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper944/stills/0ha20vu8.jpg
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

[Dvhyzs]

Bolland's is ok. some of the ones hes drawn though REAALLLY irratate me.

like this. :cmad:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/joke.jpg
I just dont like how this looks simply because he's not smiling, plus he looks like he's about to cry.

[Batty Belfry]

dave mckean's joker in arkham asylum is by far the most bone-chilling depiction, though bolland's is a good all-rounder.

That's what sold me on buying Arkham Asylum was the Joker's look. :up:

[Yurka]

and especially this.....

:cmad: :cmad: :cmad:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/joke2.jpg

[darknight7]

I hate Jim Lee Joker.

2 words:

Brian Bolland.

That was pretty nice of him to draw a pic for Heath though.

Where is this pic of Heath?? *EDIT* NEVERMIND I SAW IT

And I agree with you on Jim Lee...personally Jim Lee is one of my favourite artists, especially for Batman. but his Joker is poo

--dk7

[Dvhyzs]

Where is this pic of Heath??

And I agree with you on Jim Lee...personally Jim Lee is one of my favourite artists, especially for Batman. but his Joker is poo

--dk7
Go back a page.

[Marvolo]

:dry: ...i'll let it slide.
http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/dc022004/big/TheKillingJokePoster.jpg

Yeah, that is a very good depiction of the joker.

[Bond]

Bolland's is ok. some of the ones hes drawn though REAALLLY irratate me.

like this. :cmad:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/joke.jpg

and especially this.....

:cmad: :cmad: :cmad:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/joke2.jpg
What do you dislike so much about these pics?

[darknight7]

If Jim Lees Joker had a shorter nose and chin, he would look amazing

--dk7

[Bishop]

That's what sold me on buying Arkham Asylum was the Joker's look. :up:

yea, i also love the fact batman's cowl is never shown, makes him seem animalistic. the art is the best part of the comic.
the fact it's an amazing surreal journey into batman's relationship (and inherent similarities) with the criminals he captures is a nice bonus, mind. :p

[Yurka]

What do you dislike so much about these pics?

He doesn't look menacing or intimidating, he looks nothing like the psychopathic killer he is .

[Dvhyzs]

and especially this.....

:cmad: :cmad: :cmad:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/joke2.jpg
I love this pic, it has more of an effect with the whole page though.

[Bond]

He doesn't look menacing or intimidating, he looks nothing like the psychopathic killer he is .
Well in the first pic, he wasn't supposed to look intimadating. Have you read TKJ?

And how can you say that he doesn't look like a psychopath in the 2nd pic?!

[Noir]

The Greatest joker:

-HxdTKjNeFM

[Dvhyzs]

The Greatest joker:

-HxdTKjNeFM
Holy Mustache...:o

[Mr. Socko]

I LOVE Brian Bolland's Joker, all except the one pic from TKJ, the first one that Yurka posted. Idk why, but I never liked that pic much. Other than that, his art is great.


http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/256/bolland_joker.gif

That is the perfect cowl!

Edit: As for this one, I think it's a great drawing but I hate Jack/pre-Joker's hair!


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/95/Jokerorig.png/175px-Jokerorig.png

[Dvhyzs]

That is the perfect cowl!
:up::up: Definately.

[Noir]

Personally I like the costume in this fan-film, its very Bob Kane

_hbnU4jF9fw

[Dvhyzs]

Personally I like the costume in this fan-film, its very Bob Kane

_hbnU4jF9fw
I like the batman in this but I hate the Joker. Too jim lee.

[Mr. Socko]

Personally I like the costume in this fan-film, its very Bob Kane

_hbnU4jF9fw


The Patient J fanfilm, was pretty good IMO.

That costume looks just like the original Bob Kane one, I think they did a really good job with it, but I'm personally just not a big fan. But a wonderful job nonetheless. Joker in that fanfilm was good but a bit too much like Hamill and the 10 inch long nose and chin was unnecessary.

My favorite Batman costume from a fanfilm is by far the one from Dead End. I loved it. But Dead End's Joker was an atrocity.

[Noir]

All the Fan-film Jokers are bollocks in my opinion.

[Dvhyzs]

The Patient J fanfilm, was pretty good IMO.

That costume looks just like the original Bob Kane one, I think they did a really good job with it, but I'm personally just not a big fan. But a wonderful job nonetheless. Joker in that fanfilms was good but a bit too Hamill, and the 10 inch long nose and chin was unnecessary.

My favorite Batman costume from a fanfilm is by far the one from Dead End. I loved it. But Dead End's Joker was an atrocity.
Ugh, Thanks for getting the caterpillar eyebrow joker stuck in my head. *bangs head against keyboard*

[Mr. Socko]

All the Fan-film Jokers are bollocks in my opinion.


Ugh. Now that I look at that clip again, that performance from the Joker wasn't that good. I hated his laugh when he took of the mask. It felt so forced and stupid.

[Mr. Socko]

Ugh, Thanks for getting to caterpillar eyebrow joker stuck in my head. *bangs head against keyboard*


I loathe that 5'5 weasel Joker

http://www.starland.com/news/2003/images/030724joker.jpg

[Noir]

In his "Christmas Special" he sound likes he is that Austrialian guy from "Shrimp on the Barbie" that Cheech Marin movie.

[Dvhyzs]

I loathe that 5'5 weasel Joker

http://www.starland.com/news/2003/images/030724joker.jpg
*eyes begin to bleed* :cwink:

[Juanigi]

patient j was written better than it was acted

[Noir]

I wish they'd make a batman movie that started with flashbacks from an old Bruce remembering his life as Batman, it could go through all the stages of batman

The Dark Bob Kane beginnings
The Camp Golden-Age Dick Sprang
The Dark Silver-age Neal Adams
The Frank Miller age - Modern age
Then end with a final fight between Batman and Joker

[Mr. Socko]

patient j was written better than it was acted


There were some really good lines in there. Haven't seen it at all this year but I remember a few good ones, may not be exactly like this:

Joker: Are you afraid of me?
Doctor: Well you do have quite a background
Joker: But don't we all!
---
Doctor: You shot Barbra Gordon
*pulls out pictures*
Joker: Oh, she bled all over that poor white carpet!
---
Doctor: You killed Robin
Joker: Oh yes, but Batman just brings out another. Those Robins just multiply like rabbits

:woot:

[Dvhyzs]

Those Robins just multiply like rabbits
:woot:
:hyper: :ninja:, Brilliant.

[Yurka]

Well in the first pic, he wasn't supposed to look intimadating. Have you read TKJ?

And how can you say that he doesn't look like a psychopath in the 2nd pic?!


I knew someone would bring this up,

yes i've read TKJ.
IMO He looks like he just doesn't want to murder hundreds of people, which Jim Lee's looks like he wants to.

[Yurka]

I loathe that 5'5 weasel Joker

http://www.starland.com/news/2003/images/030724joker.jpg

oh christ, the caterpillar eyebrow joker returns

[Mr. Socko]

And he's wearing Danny Devito's prosthetic Penguin nose.

What other notable fanfilm Jokers are there...

Any of you guys seen SeriousDuke's fanfilms?

[CaptainClown]

I loathe that 5'5 weasel Joker

http://www.starland.com/news/2003/images/030724joker.jpg

Did many people enjoy this interpretation? I don't see how someone could but ya never know.

[Mr. Socko]

I've come across a total of one person who enjoyed that interpretation.

And he said he thought Nicholson sucked and Heath will suck too...so that tells you something...

[Bond]

I knew someone would bring this up,

yes i've read TKJ.
IMO He looks like he just doesn't want to murder hundreds of people, which Jim Lee's looks like he wants to.
Oh, ok. I can see that. I just don't really get why he'd have to look like a psychopath in that kind of situation. But whatever.

[Yurka]

And he's wearing Danny Devito's prosthetic Penguin nose.

What other notable fanfilm Jokers are there...

Any of you guys seen SeriousDuke's fanfilms?

The "Grayson" fan film Joker

I thought he was a creepy bastard, and the best of the fan-film Jokers.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/grayson2.jpg

[CaptainClown]

Oh ya, that does tell me something. That Joker reminds me of propaganda by the Nazis about the Jews.

[Dvhyzs]

I've come across a total of one person who enjoyed that interpretation.

And he said he thought Nicholson sucked and Heath will suck too...so that tells you something...
lol, That only leaves the guy that played as the caterpillar joker,:oldrazz:

[CaptainClown]

The "Grayson" fan film Joker

I thought he was a creepy bastard, and the best of the fan-film Jokers.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/grayson2.jpg
Not bad not my joker but not bad

[Spade]

I have to agree with the lack of a good fanfilm Joker. I don't see why people can adapt the original Kane design, yet go to other sources as opposed to the timeless Kane design of the Joker. Either do something unique or at least try to replicate a previous design. I'm looking at some of these Jokers- they sure do bring up memories of previous Jokers. I'm not so sure they intended for me to avert my eyes from the monitor, though.

[CaptainClown]

I have to agree with the lack of a good fanfilm Joker. I don't see why people can adapt the original Kane design, yet go to other sources as opposed to the timeless Kane design of the Joker. Either do something unique or at least try to replicate a previous design. I'm looking at some of these Jokers- they sure do bring up memories of previous Jokers. I'm not so sure they intended for me to avert my eyes from the monitor, though.

Ya it supports my theory that Batman is a hard comic to reproduce on screen without changing some of it. But ya I don't know why so many of these fan films don't just do a simple makeup job

[Mr. Socko]

Yeah, they have to go over the top, give the performer a long nose, chin, stupid contacts, and all of that unnecessary stuff.


I haven't seen the Grayson trailer in a very long time but like you said CapClown, not bad, but certainly not my Joker....wtf is up with his hands lol

[CaptainClown]

Yeah, they have to go over the top, give the performer a long nose, chin, stupid contacts, and all of that unnecessary stuff.


I haven't seen the Grayson trailer in a very long time but like you said CapClown, not bad, but certainly not my Joker....wtf is up with his hands lol

reminds me of Lo Pan in Big trouble in Little China

[SUPERSEBAS]

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1071/comp1pc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-08-04

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2214/comp2kr7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-08-04

[CaptainClown]

I would have to see them all in the auditions. Looks aren't everything, but if you want a person who has the look Crispin def.

[Dvhyzs]

I would have to see them all in the auditions. Looks aren't everything, but if you want a person who has the look Crispin def.
I always thought he would be way too like the fanfilm jokers. Whenever I see Dead End's joker I think of Glover.(which is a very bad thing):o

[gwynplaine]

My past choices : Daniel Day Lewis, Joaquim phoenix, Viggo Mortensen and Kevin Bacon. But now I'm a big Heath fan !

[dark_b]

to ones who look to much are the oens who would be the worst IMO.

[CaptainClown]

I would have to see how they act, but I have a feeling they would try and shoot for over the top fan film acting. Anyway most of the fanfilms I have seen I loathe their Joker. I guess it really just depends on the person.

[Dvhyzs]

to ones who look to much are the oens who would be the worst IMO.
Thats the only reason i would really not have liked it if Glover was picked, can't risk another caterpillar joker.:o

[AJT87]

After looking at the new official Joker picture with him holding the knife and looking at the original shot of the Joker we got, it seems that they have somewhat toned down the scarring. In the orginal picture half of the Jokers lip has a very " melted/gashed" look to it.


(http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jokerfinal11sg5.jpg)


In the new picture his scarring seems toned down and the messed up lip seems to be normal..

[IMG]http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6907/jokerknifezu9.th.png (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jokerknifezu9.png)

I'm of the opnion that if we're going to go the scarring route it might as well look as grusome as possible and I got of dug the defomed lip, any thoughts or opinons?

Also, don't take this as me complaining, really, either way my ass is going to be in a seat watching this movie the first night it's out just like most of us. I'd just like it if they didnt tone down the scars.



Also while this is unlrelated I didnt think I should make two threads. Does anyone else feel Nolan might go the Long Halloween route with Harvey? Have him really start to cross the line and maybe even kill (a mobster or a criminal) before becoming Two-Face?

[CaptainClown]

Thats the only reason i would really not have liked it if Glover was picked, can't risk another caterpillar joker.:o

I wanna be htere when the crew sat and said "this is good" Maybe if i was with them I would get it

[Cyrusbales]

I think the negative response to the first image may have triggered a change?

[Dvhyzs]

I think the negative response to the first image may have triggered a change?
I hope not, they should never let the fans affect their judgement.

[dark_b]

I think the negative response to the first image may have triggered a change?for the 100 times. a big stuido like WB wont change something for the comics fans.

this is a wet dream.

[donk70]

I think the negative response to the first image may have triggered a change?
Ageed. Too bad they didn't leave out the panda eyes as well

[Rezzo]

The first pic was more of a test shot while the new one is the real deal

[Dvhyzs]

I would like to find Doc. Brown and travel back in time just to see what drugs they were using when they applied his makeup.:o

[dark_b]

The first pic was more of a test shot while the new one is the real deali dont believ it because it is different lighting and a different angle.

i will belive it when they official say it: the first pic is a test shot.
because until then it is dumb to think that WB would realese for the first pic of the joker after 20 years a test shot.

[donk70]

The first pic was more of a test shot while the new one is the real deal
Which makes sense. They released the 1st pic to get the fans reaction, found out that it was too drastic of a look, and toned it down.

[dark_b]

Which makes sense. They released the 1st pic to get the fans reaction, found out that it was too drastic of a look, and toned it down.
i agree becaue a big studio like WB would change the look of the character becaue ''comic fans'' dont like it.


please :dry:

[Crook]

The lip in the knife pic seems to be exactly just like the left side (our right) of the IBIHDT pic. One of the pics are just flipped.

I don't see them changing any part of their design because fans showed displeasure. It might have been more refined, but that's the extent of it.

[Doc Holliday]

i agree becaue a big studio like WB would change the look of the character becaue ''comic fans'' dont like it.


please :dry:

Well those "comic fans" represent a large demographic they're trying to draw in with this movie. And if those people don't go see the movie, WB gets less money. So yes, a big studio like WB WOULD change the look because some "comic fans" don't like it.

[Crook]

Well those "comic fans" represent a large demographic they're trying to draw in with this movie.
I don't think so. We represent a very small minority, compared to the people that actually bring in the box office (i.e. average joe) receipts. Fans are a small community compared to everyone else.

[itsthebatman]

Well those "comic fans" represent a large demographic they're trying to draw in with this movie. And if those people don't go see the movie, WB gets less money. So yes, a big studio like WB WOULD change the look because some "comic fans" don't like it.
Have you ever known that to happen before? Certainly, WB didn't after the terrible reaction to the SR suit. So why now?

[dark_b]

Well those "comic fans" represent a large demographic they're trying to draw in with this movie. And if those people don't go see the movie, WB gets less money. So yes, a big studio like WB WOULD change the look because some "comic fans" don't like it.thats dumb IMO. i am sorry that i use the word dumb but i have no choice.

comic fans represent a large demographic number? heheh ehaha.

sorrry but i dont belive this.

[Abaddon]

Well those "comic fans" represent a large demographic they're trying to draw in with this movie. And if those people don't go see the movie, WB gets less money. So yes, a big studio like WB WOULD change the look because some "comic fans" don't like it.

oh, don't kid yourself. Fans will go see the movie nomatter how bad it looks, if not for anything than to ***** about it.

[GoogleMe94]

thats dumb IMO. i am sorry that i use the word dumb but i have no choice.

comic fans represent a large demographic number? heheh ehaha.

sorrry but i dont belive this.

yeah i agree. comics fans are in the statistical minority when you add in the billions of non-comic book fans of the world who just want to go see a good/cool movie.

[donk70]

i agree becaue a big studio like WB would change the look of the character becaue ''comic fans'' dont like it.


please :dry:
Not just comic fans, any fans.

If only comic fans were the demographic that they were shooting for, that would be a very low percentage of the people who will attend this movie.

Batman and Superman are iconic, and so are their villains. Before making a drastic change such as the gruesome cut smile that we see in the test shot, WB decided to test the market and make it part of their viral marketing as well. They needed to see if the augience that will see the movie in July of 2008 would give a warm reception to a Joker with a graphicly cut smile. The public reacted in a less than favorable way, so they toned it down.

Do you actually believe that only fanboys like us have seen the Joker images? Not hardly. Remember that the Joker has been seen live on the local Fox news in Chicago. I doubt if only fan boys watch that.

[Doc Holliday]

I don't think so. We represent a very small minority, compared to the people that actually bring in the box office (i.e. average joe) receipts. Fans are a small community compared to everyone else.

Well, a lot of the hype for TDK as of yet has been either from stuff surrounding the Chicago shoot and all of that behind the scenes stuff Fox News in Chicago is getting, and word of mouth from fans. So while we are smaller in number, we do kind of spread the word, tell "average joes" about it that may not have seen the trailer or BB.

[donk70]

Have you ever known that to happen before? Certainly, WB didn't after the terrible reaction to the SR suit. So why now?
Perhaps the WB learned a lesson with the SR suit

If not, they should have

[Doc Holliday]

thats dumb IMO. i am sorry that i use the word dumb but i have no choice.

comic fans represent a large demographic number? heheh ehaha.

sorrry but i dont belive this.

I like how other people opposed my argument, and you, the one I originally opposed, just call what I said dumb.

[dark_b]

I like how other people opposed my argument, and you, the one I originally opposed, just call what I said dumb.like i said i am sorry.:yay:

thats how i talk. i wont change for noone.

[Doc Holliday]

Perhaps the WB learned a lesson with the SR suit

If not, they should have

Though I have no problem with the SR suit, I agree, they probably should have changed it, considering how much you can STILL hear people whine about it on this board. (Not anyone on Bat-boards, but the SHH! Boards)

[strider]

I think one side of his face is more grusome than the other..The side we see in this pic is the "self-inflicted" side.

[Doc Holliday]

like i said i am sorry.:yay:

thats how i talk. i wont change for noone.

I have no problem with the way you talk, just that you called what I said dumb with no reasoning.

It's like me saying the sky is green, and then two other people tell me, "No, the sky is blue. It's blue because of the curvature of the Earth and the way the sunlight is refracted around it." and then you say "That's dumb. Of course the sky isn't green."

[donk70]

like i said i am sorry.:yay:

thats how i talk. i wont change for noone.
Maybe it's time for you to learn how to debate without saying something that attacks a person

[Untilteld]

oh wow, another thread for the joker's scars.

BAHHHH

[Abaddon]

Maybe it's time for you to learn how to debate without saying something that attacks a person

He wasn't attacking him, he was criticizing his argument.

[Untilteld]

I was always a fan of crispin glover as Joker. :(

vote geekz please and thanks!
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