The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[Mr. Socko]

Yep, from what I've heard those Japan figs run from $200-$400.

[Juanigi]

I'm pretty sure it's this guy: http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_073106a.htm

Be ready to spend about 200+ smackers on that badboy. The same company released a badass Catwoman, too!...does her catsuit come off?

[orfilms]

Some new spoilers have been posted on /Film (http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/08/08/the-dark-knight-new-spoilers-revealed/).

[Juanigi]

somebody mentioned those plot points a while ago, I wonder if it's the same source

[Dvhyzs]

somebody mentioned those plot points a while ago, I wonder if it's the same source
I'm not reading them just in case, Are they good?

[Juanigi]

it depends on how you feel about rachel

[Crook]

Some new spoilers have been posted on /Film (http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/08/08/the-dark-knight-new-spoilers-revealed/).
If that's true:

What. The. F**k.

Rachel's a *****. :dry:

[TheBatman072]

I'm not reading them just in case, Are they good?


Meh.

[Dvhyzs]

it depends on how you feel about rachel
I want to kick her, that sum it up?

[TheBatman072]

Didn't Maggie say at some point that she was going to make this character stronger?


Doesn't sound too strong to me.

[Juanigi]

oh I remember it was one of the guys who claimed to have seen the script but had apparently been making stuff up on the superman forums too

[Wedge A.]

Maybe Alfred dresses up as Batman.

[Juanigi]

edward nygma is the imposter batman

just like in batman forever

[Watson]

/Film spoiler below

When The Joker (Heath Ledger (http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/08/08/the-dark-knight-new-spoilers-revealed/#)) kidnaps Rachael Dawes (Maggie Gyllenhaal) from a big party, Dawes is forced to reveal Batman’s true identity, Bruce Wayne (http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/08/08/the-dark-knight-new-spoilers-revealed/#). Later, however, The Joker becomes convinced that Dawes lied to him when he encounters both Bruce Wayne and Batman in the same room together simultaneously. I have no idea how Bruce pulls this off. I would assume that if a Batman impostor exists, Joker would likely be in on that joke. This causes Joker to think that Bruce Wayne is NOT Batman and that Rachel, in fact, lied to him… His accusation of her deception doesn’t end well.

I stood up and did a little jig when I read that :D

[Boom]

I recall there being a poster who posted that spoiler a while ago. He turned out to be full of ****.

[sasquatchs]

I thought the rumor was that Joker thinks Dent is Batman? How's that version going to work? :dry:

[MAKIEVELLI]

/Film spoiler below

When The Joker (Heath Ledger (http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/08/08/the-dark-knight-new-spoilers-revealed/#)) kidnaps Rachael Dawes (Maggie Gyllenhaal) from a big party, Dawes is forced to reveal Batman’s true identity, Bruce Wayne (http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/08/08/the-dark-knight-new-spoilers-revealed/#). Later, however, The Joker becomes convinced that Dawes lied to him when he encounters both Bruce Wayne and Batman in the same room together simultaneously. I have no idea how Bruce pulls this off. I would assume that if a Batman impostor exists, Joker would likely be in on that joke. This causes Joker to think that Bruce Wayne is NOT Batman and that Rachel, in fact, lied to him… His accusation of her deception doesn’t end well.

I stood up and did a little jig when I read that :D

What a ****ing *****! So she's ugly (I'm sorry, but both Katie and Maggie are) and she's disloyal. What in the hell does Bruce see in her? I hope the Joker does slit her throat, that's so messed up.

[babycakes]

I'm pretty sure it's this guy: http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_073106a.htm

Be ready to spend about 200+ smackers on that badboy. The same company released a badass Catwoman, too!

Wow that is nice. If there a Joker forthcoming of the same quality, I am buying it. I am buying it all. Anything that has Joker on it, Happy Meals, Underoos, all of it!! I'll be eating it up like breakfast cereal. If there is breakfast cereal with Joker on the box, it's mine.

Everyone on my Christmas list next year gets Joker stuff, whether they want it or not. (sigh!)

[Juanigi]

yeah I found his old posts, here's the relevant onesI do not feel right in just outright saying it; ok-the movie will have a happy ending of sorts, but ok- you know how in all the Spider-man movies the girl is always dramatically saved at the end? That does not happen here.Joker has Rachel for something OTHER than just getting revenge on Batman. The real, full on twist of the film, is that the Joker knows Bruce Wayne is Batman, and we learn he found it out through Rachel(before she....ya know) She told him because Dent, Batman, and Grdon were trying to set some sort of trap, buit it didn't work out. She thought she'd live, as do Bruce and Harvey, but of course she doesn't.No, he does not choose to, it is something he has to live with at the end of the film as does Harvey Dent, though of course Harvey doesn't know Bruce is Batman, but Batman chooses ot save the people of Gotham becuase he thinks Rachel's alive
Well, unless what I had the oppritunity to read was an elaborate fake...I don't see how it's possible. Having her....ya know....would defiently seem like a cop out. The ending is very Spider-manish becuase Dent wants revenge on the Joker and has the chance to kill him at the end of the big finale, but Batman stops him. Dent is now turned against Batman and it seems like Dent is may be going crazy. Then in the 34rd when Joker does the deed, it would be all the more damaging to Batkman because again, had Batmanlet Harvey kill him, Harvey would be ok as would all the victims of Two-face.

Well that is how I interpreted it.

The batpod is going to awesome! It does not immerge from the Tumbler; Lucious Fox has it. It scene will be awesome. It has a large freeway chase sequence with it and all the mentioned weapons are used.

You do not find out what happens with the Scarecrow.

Joker reveal of his knowledge is written superbly. He goess to a rant(upon Batmans discovery of Rachel), and it ends with a pause and the audience is supposed to GET IT and then he says "Bruce". I forget the exact dialogue but I remeber really digging it. Batmans visibly shook up and rages when the Joker kinda...well lets just say Batmans in agony. Then Harvey Dent(alone) shows up and....I already mentioned. This is a very trying scene and very climactic, both Batman and Dent have ways to...end the Jokers life...and niether of them do it.

Batman tricks the Joker into thinking both Bruce AND Batman are at the scene, thus he thinks Rachel lied to him.
As mentioned above there is already atleast 1 significent difference between what I read and what has been shot, so...but what I said is pretty damn big; I cant imagine it not in the script. Critics are going to eat this up.This will be it; I've said way too much already (though there is a lot you guys do not know).


The Batman wannabe does several things

1)turns the cops against Batman as they believe its him
2)makes Bruce question his morals after what happens to the wannabe(he doesnt die)
3)gets Gordon in trouble both physically and professionally


Ok, I shall see you guys July 2008!

[Juanigi]

so either he was telling the truth after all or spreading his lies further around

[Watson]

so either he was telling the truth after all or spreading his lies further around

Hmm, I'm torn. This smacks of scissorpuppy nonsense, but...I want Rachel to die :(

[CaptainClown]

I'm tempted to read it but i won't

[Dvhyzs]

I'm tempted to read it but i won't
Its nothing big IMO. Of course i only read the first sentence

[gwynplaine]

I'm tempted to read it but i won't
I admire your willpower. I bet quitting smoking, if you ever smoked was a piece of cake for you.

[CaptainClown]

smoking really never got me hooked I use it for dramatic pause in my convos but its an easy thing to quit. The trick for me to resist that temptation is this fan art im working on heh

[junej]

No, the grey spandex works just fine.

People always say if a man really dressed like that in real life no one would be afraid of him. Fact is, even if someone dressed in rubber like that in real life no one would be afraid, everyone would say "who does this freak think he is, Batman". You see, in the world of Batman people ARE afraid of him, whether dressed in spandex or rubber. I hate when people bring up "Batman in spandex wouldn't be scary in real life", I'm sorry but Batman in general wouldn't be scary in real life. You say a man wearing spandex and a cowl doesn't strike fear into anyone when the truth is, in the fictional world, it does.

I know everything about fictional characters, especially superheroes , is based in a very unrealistic world. Including Batman. I don´t have any problem with that, If I had I wouldn´t be here. See, I ´m perfectly fine with a guy dressed in a red spidey spandex with organics webs coming out of his hands. He does not looks ridiculous. I did not come out of the theathers thinking he looks ridiculous. But Batman spandex suit does this to me. Can I explain why? No. Perhaps because I haven´t seen any decent picture of him in that situation that could make me think otherwise. So, I would watch the whole movie thinking that he looks like that, ridiculous. And that is not what a Batman movie should be trying to achieve. Instead I should be thinking that guy is a fearful creature. Not just because the director instructed the actors to scream and look terrified every time Batman shows up. I really don´t care if the fictional gotham city fears Batman in spandex. I could make a movie that a whole city fears hello kitty in a pink tutu, but it would still be so silly.Whereas in the cartoons and comics Batman looks bad ass, a guy dressed like the pic you posted some pages back does not. At least to me.
And I would not laugh at a guy stand in a dark corner who looks like a mixture of a swat soldier with a bat cowl. The thing is the grey spandex just looks really bad to me and no genius movie maker could make me believe that a guy dressed in that can be the bad ass I think Batman really is. As I said this just does not work for me in the real world. So, we do not share the same opinion about his suit. Not a big deal , really.
By the way, sorry If can´t express myself properly, but english is not my first language.:yay:

[Juanigi]

what's funny is the fabric suit guys who say that it makes him look more like a creature of the night

[Mr. Socko]

Why do people say spandex would look silly and can't possibly work on screen? How can you say grey spandex looks really bad and no film maker could make it look good when none have tried. What are you basing this off of? The picture I posted a few pages back was of an action figure.

Can you tell me what's so wrong with grey spandex if he's wearing kevlar padding under it like in the comics? The only time it's even been tried in a real movie is back in the 60s in a comedy show! You've never seen someone try to do it so why write it off so quickly. No modern filmmaker has ever tried to adapt the real Batman suit in a real film yet everyone just says it will suck. You aren't even willing to give it a chance. Do you have PROOF that it would look terrible? Besides Adam West?

[Juanigi]

who wouldn't be!

[Crook]

what's funny is the fabric suit guys who say that it makes him look more like a creature of the night
Well the idea is the less mechanical the design, the closer it is to being organic.


Can you tell me what's so wrong with grey spandex if he's wearing kevlar padding under it like in the comics? The only time it's even been tried in a real movie is back in the 60s in a comedy show! You've never seen someone try to do it so why write it off so quickly.
Spandex as in the fabric worn by Christopher Reeve? Hell no I would not like that. Looks cheap and serves at best, as a Halloween costume.

But the material used in Spider-Man and Superman Returns, materials that replicate the look of the comics, then yes, that I'd approve.

[Mr. Socko]

Spandex as in the fabric worn by Christopher Reeve? Hell no I would not like that. Looks cheap and serves at best, as a Halloween costume.

But the material used in Spider-Man and Superman Returns, materials that replicate the look of the comics, then yes, that I'd approve.

No one would use Chris Reeve spandex anymore, that was back in the 70s. Hell, Returns didn't even use it.

I personally would love to see a real Bat-suit made from the same material as the Superman Returns suit. Not sure about Spidey. Actually, I believe Returns didn't use spandex, nor did Spidey, it's some other material, I dont know what it is. I just call it spandex.

[Boom]

I dont know what it is, I just call it spandex.
Well don't, because it's not spandex. You're confusing people :csad:.

[Mr. Socko]

Goddamn how did you reply so quickly, I just edited.

[Crook]

Ah, ok. That was my only concern then. FYI, it's neoprene. So now you can use the proper term so I won't have to chime in. ;)

[Juanigi]

the superman returns fabric is the worst looking of them all

[CaptainClown]

ya i didnt like the superman returns fabric or costume and why is this on a joker thread?

[Mr. Socko]

Ah, ok. That was my only concern then. FYI, it's neoprene. So now you can use the proper term so I won't have to chime in. ;)


They way I see it; user a Begins default kevlar suit and place a layer of that grey neoprene **** on top of it.

BAM!

[Juanigi]

we're trying to figure out what the joker's purple suit is made of

[Watson]

we're trying to figure out what the joker's purple suit is made of

Italian Merino Cashmere with a purple silk lining.

Man should feel as good as he looks :oldrazz:

[CaptainClown]

Valor the cloth of the gods

[Juanigi]

probably he puts on a muscle bodysuit near the end after seeing batman's new armor

escalation you know

[Mr. Socko]

we're trying to figure out what the joker's purple suit is made of


Purple Suade armani with croc skin shoes

[Juanigi]

I thought we determined that killer croc was too farfetched, even for heightened realism

[Batty Belfry]

^
Barney's skin, tanned and preserved.

[Mr. Socko]

I thought we determined that killer croc was too farfetched, even for heightened realism


Joker being bleached can't even fit into Nolan's realism.

No way Croc can!!!!!!!!!!!

[Boom]

There is a condition that creates scale-like skin.

[Mr. Socko]

There is a condition that creates scale-like skin.


Sorry, I'm Chris Nolan's representative, and I speak on behalf of him when I say, it's still not realistic enough.

[Sub-Zero]

so does joker scar dent, or is maroni in the movie for a reason?

[Dvhyzs]

so does joker scar dent, or is maroni in the movie for a reason?
I doubt it. It's unsure though.

[Mr. Socko]

so does joker scar dent, or is maroni in the movie for a reason?


As Nolan's personal representative...I can answer that question.



But I'm not going to:o

[Sub-Zero]

lol. damn. how bout in a pm?

[Juanigi]

leak us some crazy quilt spoilers

[CaptainClown]

found a crazy quilt pic!leak us some crazy quilt spoilers
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x250/captain_ClownhaHa/Joker-and-CQ.gif uh oh Crazy Quilt has been Jokered!

[Juanigi]

that poor quilted bastard...

[Dvhyzs]

found a crazy quilt pic!
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x250/captain_ClownhaHa/Joker-and-CQ.gif uh oh Crazy Quilt has been Jokered!
that the pic that kept you from smoking?:cwink:

[CaptainClown]

yup thats the pic that kept me from smoking

[Dvhyzs]

yup thats the pic that kept me from smoking
get ready to smoke!...
http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/batman/CrazyQuilt-BoyCommandos15.jpg


be afraid...

[CaptainClown]

I'm smart I don't buy packs of cigs heh helps me not do it

[Shot Gun Shy]

http://joblo.com/the-joker-acts

" As regards to how Heath Ledger *seemed* as the Joker, he seemed like he WAS the Joker, and didn't need to let anyone know it - rather contained, but ready to explode at any moment in an unexpected fashion. Menacing, but more because he seemed like he was probably crazy, and maybe violent, rather than that he was TRYING to scare you. (and by the way, all he did during the scenes I was in was sit in his holding cell, reacting and listening...so, he's a very fine actor if I imbibed all this from just watching him sit there...) He didn't talk a lot between takes, but he also wasn't "Don't approach me!" in his manner - a real pro, in other words. In short, he seemed just like the Joker SHOULD seem. "

[Bandyt]

Miranda posted that from it's original source I believe.

[dark_b]

i had a crazy dream about heats joker.
it was outside at night. he was walking to me. first he looekd like he is smiling because of the red paint. and i couldnt see hes eyes. then when he came closer i started to notice that the guy is not smiling but that eh is very angry. then at the end he starts laughing like a crazy guy and i wake up.
in my dreams the paint and white skin worked very good.

[fcrowelle06]

Nothing in Batman is too far-fetched to be created in Nolan's realism, if you say that than you deem that the impossible can never be possible and that my friends is just stupid, Killer Croc, the veentriloquist, Harley quinn, Ivy, all of them can fit, it just depends on how you bring them out, and it can be done in a non-corny way while sticking true to the comics, you just don't know how to do it

[Keyser Soze]

For those who missed it, here's what Christian Bale had to say about The Joker in Total Film magazine:

But the main attraction is a villain whose "taste for theatrics" was so memorably portrayed by Jack Nicholson in Tim Burton's Batman. The Joker is back. And it's no laughing matter.

"It's a much more anarchic, punk rock, almost junkie version of it," says Bale, f Heath Ledger's disturbing take on Batman's deadliest foe. "He's the kind of psycho kid that just will do anything and has absolutely no conscience and morals - I think they've done a real nice job with his look. It's certainly a whole lot more dangerous; there's a bit of Clockwork Orange there, a bit of Sid Vicious, a whole lot of great, anarchic personalities blended within The Joker."

[flyingeddies]

Check out this righteous Joker mask:
http://www.buycostumes.com/Search_All_batman/Category/0/Product/20966/ProductDetail.aspx
:ninja:

[Diablo101]

For those who missed it, here's what Christian Bale had to say about The Joker in Total Film magazine:

But the main attraction is a villain whose "taste for theatrics" was so memorably portrayed by Jack Nicholson in Tim Burton's Batman. The Joker is back. And it's no laughing matter.

"It's a much more anarchic, punk rock, almost junkie version of it," says Bale, f Heath Ledger's disturbing take on Batman's deadliest foe. "He's the kind of psycho kid that just will do anything and has absolutely no conscience and morals - I think they've done a real nice job with his look. It's certainly a whole lot more dangerous; there's a bit of Clockwork Orange there, a bit of Sid Vicious, a whole lot of great, anarchic personalities blended within The Joker."

Bale's quote summed up: Joker is going to be crazy ass mofo

[Juanigi]

Check out this righteous Joker mask:
http://www.buycostumes.com/Search_All_batman/Category/0/Product/20966/ProductDetail.aspx
:ninja:wouldn't someone's actual chin end right around where his upper teeth are :o

also the $800 batman costume is pretty funny:

http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/19975.jpg

[Mr. Socko]

http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/19975.jpg?zm=350,400,1.02,15,5

[Juanigi]

hmm, I didn't expect the zoom information would work here

although if everyone's going to quote you I might as well put back the huge version

[CaptainClown]

http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/19975.jpg?zm=350,400,1.02,15,5
yikes

[BubbaGump]

http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/19975.jpg?zm=350,400,1.02,15,5

Holy sheeza.

[Cowleen]

http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/19975.jpg?zm=350,400,1.02,15,5All that definition and none where it counts...:ninja:

[Juanigi]

yeah you can barely even see any detail in his boots

[CaptainClown]

his body is soo damn big...Makes me afraid of what he looks like as Bruce

[Dvhyzs]

his body is soo damn big...Makes me afraid of what he looks like as Bruce
http://www.bybee.com/image/little.boy.jpg

[Luchastyle]

http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/19975.jpg?zm=350,400,1.02,15,5

until i went back and saw the original post, i thought it was an action figure

[CaptainClown]

http://www.bybee.com/image/little.boy.jpg
sucha clever disguise

[Dvhyzs]

sucha clever disguise
I guess it makes him feel sexy...

[Bandyt]

That bale quote makes my heart smile with glee. Also that Joker mask is silly. If I wanted to cosplay him I would just put the makeup on my face. which I've done before.

[Nepenthes]

Nothing in Batman is too far-fetched to be created in Nolan's realism, if you say that than you deem that the impossible can never be possible and that my friends is just stupid, Killer Croc, the veentriloquist, Harley quinn, Ivy, all of them can fit, it just depends on how you bring them out, and it can be done in a non-corny way while sticking true to the comics, you just don't know how to do it

I firmly believe this :up:

In fact reworking thee more fantastic characters in a serious way can actually do more justice to the core character imo. It can cut through all the gimmicky stuff to the motivations and actual story of the character, which is why they should exist in the first place. It's really not that hard to think of ways to do faithful versions of Freeze, Ivy, Croc and Clayface in a Nolan style treatment.

[ManofmyWord]

http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/19975.jpg?zm=350,400,1.02,15,5
Looks better than the B&R suit.:o

[flyingeddies]

...that Joker mask is silly. If I wanted to cosplay him I would just put the makeup on my face. which I've done before.
http://izoom.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/20966.jpg?zm=400,400,1,0,0
But can you imagine this guy opening the door to trick-or-treating kids?!
:wow:
(I'm going to have to read a faq or two...apparently I'm too n00b to insert images.)

[itsthebatman]

Holy sheeza.
Try tickling THAT crotch. No sirree.

[fcrowelle06]

thank-you Nepenthes

[TheShadow]

Does anyone know if jokers eye color is yellow or anything. You cant really see it in any photo's just wondering

[Dvhyzs]

Does anyone know if jokers eye color is yellow or anything. You cant really see it in any photo's just wondering
im gonna guess brown.

[Mr. Socko]

What eye color is heath's?


They'll probably just use his normal eye color, I don't want anything too queer like yellow or orange eyes.

[CaptainClown]

man shadow you think of the weirdest things to speculate about

[Mr. Socko]

It's a good topic, we haven't discussed this yet

Now answer

[Dvhyzs]

What eye color is heath's?


They'll probably just use his normal eye color, I don't want anything too queer like yellow or orange eyes.
brown

[CaptainClown]

periwinkle blue

[regwec]

Yeah, didn't a scooper say that they had seen Heath's brown eye?

[CaptainClown]

Omfg If Jokersd Eyezors Aren"t Periwinkle Blue Then I Am Boycotting This Movie! Ofmg!

[TheShadow]

man shadow you think of the weirdest things to speculate about

Haha I try... it's just something thats been on my mind too, because lately i've been reading all my old batman comics' and graphic novels'. Looking at some renditions of the joker most choose to give him that yellow eye, while other just give him white/black. One comic gave him green eyes, Since all speculation is leading to this Joker Possibly adding make up for theatrics, Then what would stop him from putting yellow contacts in his eyes :oldrazz: I mean it would enhance his appearance, in my opinion. Make him seem more fierce and intimidating

[Dvhyzs]

Yeah, didn't a scooper say that they had seen Heath's brown eye?
I think i heard that.

[CaptainClown]

Haha I try... it's just something thats been on my mind too, because lately i've been reading all my old batman comics' and graphic novels'. Looking at some renditions of the joker most choose to give him that yellow eye, while other just give him white/black. One comic gave him green eyes, Since all speculation is leading to this Joker Possibly adding make up for theatrics, Then what would stop him from putting yellow contacts in his eyes :oldrazz: I mean it would enhance his appearance, in my opinion. Make him seem more fierce and intimidating

I would have to see it actually in because in my head it doesn't look too good.

[Dvhyzs]

I would have to see it actually in because in my head it doesn't look too good.
don't look good on film either
http://www.batmania.com.ar/images/images_online/dead_end04.jpg

[CaptainClown]

don't look good on film either
http://www.batmania.com.ar/images/images_online/dead_end04.jpg

oh GOD SMEAGOL! PRECIOUS AHH MY EYES!

[TheShadow]

I would have to see it actually in because in my head it doesn't look too good.

I understand how you feel, it's an idea. I mean considering that Nolan is trying to reinvent this character, i wouldn't doubt his joker doing something of this nature

[TheShadow]

don't look good on film either
http://www.batmania.com.ar/images/images_online/dead_end04.jpg

Well I wouldn't judge it off "Dead End" Since that film was low budget and the contacts used on the joker were distributed through a large chain. so the quality of the product isn't so great. (that's what I've heard from a make up artist working on the film). I'm sure the contacts were hand painted and actually had time put into it, it would look some what stunning

[regwec]

Yes, the poverty of "Dead End" proves that The Joker shouldn't have white skin or green hair, and that Batman shouldn't have a cape or ears.

[CaptainClown]

I think the idea of yellow eyes would have been better on someone who didnt look like a sniveling hobbit.

[Mr. Socko]

Jack' Joker had brown eyes too

Everyone be glad we aren't getting this for Joker

http://www.gothampublicworks.com/images/gallery/joker-con-04.jpg

or this

http://web.mac.com/batinthesun/iWeb/Bat%20in%20the%20Sun%20Productions/BITS%20GALLERY_files/Joker%27s%20Christmas%20card.jpg

[CaptainClown]

first one looks like baby heath second one seems like deadite bruce campbell joker time christmas extravaganza

[TheShadow]

Yes, the poverty of "Dead End" proves that The Joker shouldn't have white skin or green hair, and that Batman shouldn't have a cape or ears.

LOl :oldrazz:

[TheShadow]

first one looks like baby heath second one seems like deadite bruce campbell joker time christmas extravaganza

:oldrazz: :wow:

[sasquatchs]

http://web.mac.com/batinthesun/iWeb/Bat%20in%20the%20Sun%20Productions/BITS%20GALLERY_files/Joker%27s%20Christmas%20card.jpg

I quite like that one, he has better eyes than Ledger's

[TheShadow]

You mean the tone of black around his eyes?

[sasquatchs]

The size of his eyes, Ledger's are beady black holes. Which could also work in its own way, the black enhances that and makes them look bigger

[Mr. Socko]

first one looks like baby heath second one seems like deadite bruce campbell joker time christmas extravaganza


Baby heath?

I quite like that one, he has better eyes than Ledger's


He was ok, but ugh, I don't like the purple veins. I prefer it unrealistic and all white:oldrazz:

Edit: Oh yea, I liked the purple around the eyes. I don't like how it's pitch black and like huge circles on Heath. Joker's eyebrows should still be viewable.

[CaptainClown]

he looks like heath ledger to me

[TheShadow]

The size of his eyes, Ledger's are beady black holes. Which could also work in its own way, the black enhances that and makes them look bigger

True, It's all in taste

[Dvhyzs]

The black around his eyes is so close to heath's.

[TheShadow]

It is, though they did more of a light highlight while Heath is more solid black.

[Penismightier]

The veins all over his head along with the light off of the makeup appearing somewhat purple, it looks like something, well, something I shouldn't mention.

[TheShadow]

Lol

[Mr. Socko]

The black around his eyes is so close to heath's.


I personally like it better than Heath's. It's not black, it's purple, and it's more under his eyes than circles. It's actually kinda like if he was really bleached, I could believe those dark purple circles around his eyes could be natural. With Heater's eyes, it's obvious that he applies the black makeup for an effect, and it's very difficult to see his eyebrows. Although I hope it comes out better on screen because Joker always does subtle expressions using the brows.

The veins all over his head along with the light off of the makeup appearing somewhat purple, it looks like something, well, something I shouldn't mention.
lol

I don't like the veins, that and it's quite inconsistent because he looks different in each picture.

http://web.mac.com/batinthesun/iWeb/Bat%20in%20the%20Sun%20Productions/BITS%20GALLERY_files/DSC01345.jpg


God, I can't stand sideburns on the Joker. He was actually decent, homicidal and nutty, but just too cartoony in voice and look. Nothing wrong with a prosthetic nose and chin, but don't get stupid with it and have a 15 inch long nose and chin.:dry:

[Da_Joka]

http://dlisted.com/files/images/87848733.preview.jpg

http://dlisted.com/files/87848728.jpg

New pics of Heath, but the make-up crew is good at hiding the Joker.

[Nessy]

http://web.mac.com/batinthesun/iWeb/Bat%20in%20the%20Sun%20Productions/BITS%20GALLERY_files/DSC01345.jpg


God, I can't stand sideburns on the Joker. He was actually decent, homicidal and nutty, but just too cartoony in voice and look. Nothing wrong with a prosthetic nose and chin, but don't get stupid with it and have a 15 inch long nose and chin.:dry:

Yup, right... looks weird somehow

[Beanjuice]

I personally like it better than Heath's. It's not black, it's purple, and it's more under his eyes than circles. It's actually kinda like if he was really bleached, I could believe those dark purple circles around his eyes could be natural. With Heater's eyes, it's obvious that he applies the black makeup for an effect, and it's very difficult to see his eyebrows. Although I hope it comes out better on screen because Joker always does subtle expressions using the brows.


lol

I don't like the veins, that and it's quite inconsistent because he looks different in each picture.

http://web.mac.com/batinthesun/iWeb/Bat%20in%20the%20Sun%20Productions/BITS%20GALLERY_files/DSC01345.jpg


God, I can't stand sideburns on the Joker. He was actually decent, homicidal and nutty, but just too cartoony in voice and look. Nothing wrong with a prosthetic nose and chin, but don't get stupid with it and have a 15 inch long nose and chin.:dry:





i agree, but have any of you guys seen patient j? seriously i think its the best fan film yet

[Mr. Socko]

Patient J is definitely one of the better ones out there(but hey most are really bad). But you can't watch Patient J and say he didn't nail the Joker in personality and tone. However I didn't really care for Batman at all in P-J.

Incredible how P-J had a budget of 7k and was over half an hour, while Dead End was 6 minutes of footage and cost over $30,000.

[Beanjuice]

Patient J is definitely one of the better ones out there(but hey most are really bad). But you can't watch Patient J and say he didn't nail the Joker in personality and tone. However I didn't really care for Batman at all in P-J.

Incredible how P-J had a budget of 7k and was over half an hour, while Dead End was 6 minutes of footage and cost over $30,000.



yes!!! he nailed joker 100% i loved it. dead endwas good as well,but i think patient j was much better

[Phoenixfaith]

Quick question here, does anyone have a screen shot of the Joker card in the teaser trailer they could post here? If so, I'd really appreciate it!

Thanks! :yay:

[Crook]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/04664dcf.png

[Juanigi]

I personally like it better than Heath's. It's not black, it's purple, and it's more under his eyes than circles. It's actually kinda like if he was really bleached, I could believe those dark purple circles around his eyes could be natural. With Heater's eyes, it's obvious that he applies the black makeup for an effect, and it's very difficult to see his eyebrows. Although I hope it comes out better on screen because Joker always does subtle expressions using the brows.the paint only goes up to the top of his eyebrows, so if anything it'll emphasize whatever arches or curves they take

[Phoenixfaith]

Thanks Drexx!! :yay:

[Bond]

http://dlisted.com/files/images/87848733.preview.jpg

http://dlisted.com/files/87848728.jpg

New pics of Heath, but the make-up crew is good at hiding the Joker.
God I want those shades.

And I've never noticed his tattoos before.

[CaptainClown]

i agree, but have any of you guys seen patient j? seriously i think its the best fan film yet

I saw patient J but his voice was really bugging me. there is just something about saying Batsy live that gets on my nerves. It probably is the best fan film what does that say about all the bat fan films

[Mr. Socko]

I saw patient J but his voice was really bugging me. there is just something about saying Batsy live that gets on my nerves. It probably is the best fan film what does that say about all the bat fan films


His voice was like a mixture between Mark Hamill, Pee Wee Herman, and Michael Jackson.

What do you mean saying "Batsy" live lol

[CaptainClown]

His voice was like a mixture between Mark Hamill, Pee Wee Herman, and Michael Jackson.

What do you mean saying "Batsy" live lol

That fan film bothered me in so many ways I don't know why. I couldn't handle watching it again. But I mean say Batsy to someone and try and be serious when you say it

[Beanjuice]

Patient J sucks, I'm sorry. Nothing good about it at all.


nothing sucks. at least they put forth an effort

[Beanjuice]

The effort is there yes, but seeing how much the fan film sucks, it cancels out any effort put into it.:down
w/e dude, its just a matter of opinion and apreciation:oldrazz:

[CaptainClown]

I mean good job they did it but I gotta speak my mind.

[Mr. Socko]

That fan film bothered me in so many ways I don't know why. I couldn't handle watching it again. But I mean say Batsy to someone and try and be serious when you say it

lol

The effort is there yes, but seeing how much the fan film sucks, it cancels out any effort put into it.:down

Concept was brilliant and it was pulled off decently. 90% of the fanfilm was straight from the comics. Those who don't like it, I can only assume it was either because they found Joker annoying sounding/looking or thought the execution wasn't there.

[CaptainClown]

Its cause I think that these groups want a Joker that they cant reproduce. Also overall comic book movie reproductions never turn out well at all

[Wedge A.]

I liked Patient J. It's definately one of the better fan films, and not just for Batman.

[Mr. Socko]

Someone name some fanfilms better than P-J

[CaptainClown]

I can't watch fan films without feeling embarrassed. Though I shouldn't act so high and mighty, but give me a crew then *shrug* we got something cooking

[Dvhyzs]

Someone name some fanfilms better than P-J
I actually liked dead end better, simply because of the batman.

[Mr. Socko]

Yep, thing is most people compare fanfilms to real films.


Has anyone here ever seen SeriousDuke's Batman films? One was Batman Duality, can't recall the other.

I actually liked dead end better, simply because of the batman.


I love u:heart: ...Dead End Batman is still my favorite look, yep, even more than the big budget films.

[CaptainClown]

Whats that spanish batman that was pretty good production value righ there

[Mr. Socko]

Arkham Asylum. Great production value, I really wish it were in English. The visuals are amazing but when I see it, my eyes are too busy reading the subtitles!

Dead End is the most expensive short fanfilm of all time. It basically started it all(Batman fanfilms that is)

[Dvhyzs]

Whats that spanish batman that was pretty good production value righ there
Arkham?

[jimmyRRpage]

Just watched Patient J. I quit the fan movies a while back because they were mostly really bad, but Patient J was pretty good. And I really liked that interpretation of the Joker. Campy, and sort of... off... but it was really well done, and pretty creepy. Love the scene where the Batman finally goes after the Joker. On stage... very cool. And very nice interpretation of the idea... a stage...

(In other words, thanks for pointing that out, guys... :D)

[CaptainClown]

ya I guess its Arkham I mean I didn't care for it but I was amazed at the time and love put into it. I should work on one .... yess.yess now i have to go back to my Film department and round up some film students and then ***** slap them so they dont imput. man I hate the film department even though its my major =)

[Mr. Socko]

Anyone seen the Star Wars fanfilm Revelation, it was close to an hour, had like a 30k budget.

ya I guess its Arkham I mean I didn't care for it but I was amazed at the time and love put into it. I should work on one .... yess.yess now i have to go back to my Film department and round up some film students and then ***** slap them so they dont imput. man I hate the film department even though its my major =)


What state do you live in?

[CaptainClown]

California love bum nanana na bum nanana na CALIFORNIA knows how to party

[Mr. Socko]

Wait, I'm confusing Patient J for Dead End. Sorry.
Everything I said was for Dead End, not Patient J. I don't think I've seen Patient J actually.:goes to youtube:


P-J is split into like 10 parts on youtube because it's so long.

California love bum nanana na bum nanana na CALIFORNIA knows how to party


Damn you, I want to be in California.

[Juanigi]

just watch it on google video if that's the case

[CaptainClown]

California is sooo damn hot though ugh heat

[Mr. Socko]

It's pretty cool here in Arkham. We get A/C ventilation, tv, and internet access.

[Bond]

I left that **** stain.

[CaptainClown]

Arkham guards inappropriately touch their patients..... true story

[Bond]

The matresses are stiff as a board too.

[Mr. Socko]

Not in my cell. I got the hook up like Paris Hilton. My cell has everything, even flowery curtains.


The food if gourmet

[CaptainClown]

you lucky bastarrd

[Bond]

Quit bragging.

[Mr. Socko]

All you gotta do is rip off the little "do not remove" label off of a mattress that you don't own. Do that and you'll get a free trip to Arkham or the closest Asylum near you!

[CaptainClown]

Im a serial mattress tag ripper, they will give me the death sentence thats for sure

[Dvhyzs]

It's so batusi in here, lol.

[Mr. Socko]

Lol good point. Time to get back to Joker.


What comic do you think Heather's Joker will embody the most?

I'd go with Arkham Asylum.

[CaptainClown]

I heard Arkham but probably the Killing Joke. I still haven't read Arkham

[Dvhyzs]

Lol good point. Time to get back to Joker.


What comic do you think Heather's Joker will embody the most?

I'd go with Arkham Asylum.
definately,
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x87/DVN_album/your_image-1.png

[Bond]

Killing Joke

[Mr. Todd]

I heard Arkham but probably the Killing Joke. I still haven't read Arkham

Yeah, I havn't read Arkham either.


But didn't Nolan (or someone who has an important part in the production) say in an old interview that they'd mostly use Joker's first ever issue and TKJ for inspiration?


Oh, and awesome photo, Dvhyzs. :up: :woot:

[gwynplaine]

definately,
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x87/DVN_album/your_image-1.png
LOL. This is a great manip, I couldn't stop laughing.

[Dvhyzs]

LOL. This is a great manip, I couldn't stop laughing.
Yeah, did it with paint.

[gwynplaine]

Just saw the Simpsons movie, loved it, my only disappointment, no TDK teaser.

[Darkly Dexter]

I hope they use Arkham. I think it was the only Batman comic forbidden to minors.

[gwynplaine]

Nolan mentionned Batman # 1 I think and TKJ was sent to sent to Ledger. Two great sources of inspiration, wouldn't mind a little Arkham thrown in the mix though.

[gwynplaine]

the Joker in Arkham looks like he is seen through the eyes of a scarecrow's fear toxin victim. A great work of art.

[Nessy]

definately,
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x87/DVN_album/your_image-1.png

LMAO!! Great! :woot:

[Booznian]

Haha, nice/

[jimmy]

Awesome!

[Dvhyzs]

Awesome!
*bows*

[Shoemeister]

Hahaha, very nice!

[strikezone89]

good simpson manip

[gwynplaine]

one of my favorite manip on the hype so far.

[Booznian]

Love your avatar gwynplaine.

[Dvhyzs]

I wonder who made it....

[Bond]

I can't think of anybody.

[gwynplaine]

Love your avatar gwynplaine.
Thank you, courtesy of Dvhyzs, the same one who did that great Joker/Simpson manip.

[Booznian]

I wonder who made it....

Makez mez an avatarazzzzz whenz i REACHZ 300 P0Stz plz.

Please. =]

[Dvhyzs]

Makez mez an avatarazzzzz whenz i REACHZ 300 P0Stz plz.

Please. =]
pm me with what you want

[Booznian]

pm me with what you want

Will do capitan.

[Darkness Falls]

rather than making a thread
post any defacings of magazines/newspapers ECT
like the hd poster

[Mr. Socko]

the Joker in Arkham looks like he is seen through the eyes of a scarecrow's fear toxin victim. A great work of art.


He should look like that in TDK when someone's under fear gas.

[Mike_D202]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n28/MikeD202/jokergif2.gif

[Beanjuice]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n28/MikeD202/jokergif2.gif


thats awesome but at the same time i want to slap you because i want a mask and facepaint lol

[wizzard890]

Oooo....

*eyes picture above*

Crazy!:ninja:

[Darkly Dexter]

Why does Ledger never attends to these kind of events (Comic Con, Wizard World, etc)? and why nobody makes an interview with him?

[Bandyt]

Because we don't believe in Jesus in Australia. We worship super-satan.

[Keyser Soze]

Why does Ledger never attends to these kind of events (Comic Con, Wizard World, etc)? and why nobody makes an interview with him?

I think it's cool. He was pretty vocal before filming. But it's like, now that he's in filming, he isn't Heath Ledger, he's The Joker... :joker:

[Yurka]

I think it's cool. He was pretty vocal before filming. But it's like, now that he's in filming, he isn't Heath Ledger, he's The Joker... :joker:

I was just thinking that, it's so cool. I thought maybe at first since he wasn't there, they were going to have another one of the Joker challenges or something, or even have him interrupt the panel and do something on the T.V.

That would have been awesome.

[The Joker]

Why does Ledger never attends to these kind of events (Comic Con, Wizard World, etc)? and why nobody makes an interview with him?

Maybe he's too busy? Maybe he spends all his free time with his new daughter? Maybe he was sick this week?

It doesn't matter really.

[senormitchell]

I was just thinking..... It has been reported that Rachel Dawes tells Joker Batman is Bruce Wayne. Some people have insinuated he threatened/tortured it out of her.

Question: Why would the Joker think Rachel knows Batman's identity in the first place?

[gwynplaine]

I think it's cool. He was pretty vocal before filming. But it's like, now that he's in filming, he isn't Heath Ledger, he's The Joker... :joker:
Yeah, he brings Method to the Madness.

[Keyser Soze]

I was just thinking..... It has been reported that Rachel Dawes tells Joker Batman is Bruce Wayne. Some people have insinuated he threatened/tortured it out of her.

Question: Why would the Joker think Rachel knows Batman's identity in the first place?

Exactamundo. Big plothole there. Hence why I think that report is BS.

[DeathRaven]

I was just thinking..... It has been reported that Rachel Dawes tells Joker Batman is Bruce Wayne. Some people have insinuated he threatened/tortured it out of her.

Question: Why would the Joker think Rachel knows Batman's identity in the first place?


Sounds like BS, it has to be something else then that. That just sounds to fishy.

[bluedragon77]

http://stage6.divx.com/Super-Heroes/video/1239866/Patient-J

patient j in full...

i stumbled on it a while ago while looking for joker set videos.. its really well done. i dont like the twist or whatever at the end but the joker was prety creepy, little over the top but well done.

[Yurka]

So I have a question, we know from the footage description that Joker gets arrested, and we also know from set footage that reporters ask pre-acid Harvey "Was it your Idea or the Batmans that led to the arrest of the Joker?"

which means Joker gets arrested fairly early on only to escape Arkham and cause more chaos, and according to the sources, scar Harvey. So I'm just wondering when does the joker get arrested?, were all assuming that the giant chase scene is the finale, but what if it happens in the middle?

[Dvhyzs]

So I have a question, we know from the footage description that Joker gets arrested, and we also know from set footage that reporters ask pre-acid Harvey "Was it your Idea or the Batmans that led to the arrest of the Joker?"

which means Joker gets arrested fairly early on only to escape Arkham and cause more chaos, and according to the sources, scar Harvey. So I'm just wondering when does the joker get arrested?, were all assuming that the giant chase scene is the finale, but what if it happens in the middle?
Perhaps he escapes/breaks out again? Ofcourse i'm just guessing.

[Figs]

So I have a question, we know from the footage description that Joker gets arrested, and we also know from set footage that reporters ask pre-acid Harvey "Was it your Idea or the Batmans that led to the arrest of the Joker?"

which means Joker gets arrested fairly early on only to escape Arkham and cause more chaos, and according to the sources, scar Harvey. So I'm just wondering when does the joker get arrested?, were all assuming that the giant chase scene is the finale, but what if it happens in the middle?


If it happens in the middle, I can only wonder what crazy antics will happen at the end.

[Yurka]

Perhaps a breakout?

indeed, I'm thinking the guy with the bomb in his chest is his ticket out.

but still does that mean at the end of the movie the Joker is loose? or he gets arrested 2 times in the movie ?

[Lunar_Wolf]

I was just thinking..... It has been reported that Rachel Dawes tells Joker Batman is Bruce Wayne. Some people have insinuated he threatened/tortured it out of her.

Question: Why would the Joker think Rachel knows Batman's identity in the first place?

If it is ture, I'm guessing it has something to do with Scarecrow knowing Dawes is close to Batman. Scarecrow might tell Joker that Dawes knows who Batman is.

[jgiant]

That was a pretty good short film...surprisingly good joker, captured him pretty perfectly, especially how frikin insane and twisted he was.

[Dvhyzs]

indeed, I'm thinking the guy with the bomb in his chest is his ticket out.

but still does that mean at the end of the movie the Joker is loose? or he gets arrested 2 times in the movie ?
that's anyones guess, although i'm just guessing about the breakout.

[Mr. Socko]

I'm thinking he's sent to Arkham in the beginning/middle, breaks out, and is still on the loose when the film ends.(ambiguous death)

[Batman FREAK]

Maybe they shave his hair off before his trial going into the third film, and it comes back in dark green....that would be pretty badass, and add to his mystery.

[Mr. Thing]

Maybe they shave his hair off before his trial going into the third film, and it comes back in dark green....that would be pretty badass, and add to his mystery.

But...realistically speaking, his hair would grow back in his natural hair colour.

[Mr. Socko]

I'd have to say so myself...shaving Joker's head so it can come back in dark green? Doesn't make any sense, I'm sure the audience will be smart enough to know his hair is permanently green.

[Batman FREAK]

Not if they tease with the idea it wasn't a chemical accident that made it that color. As we'll likely get next to nothing about his background...

[Darkly Dexter]

I think it's cool. He was pretty vocal before filming. But it's like, now that he's in filming, he isn't Heath Ledger, he's The Joker... :joker:

lol

[Superman Prime]

"Take this guy. Armed robbery, double homicide. Got a taste for the theatrical, like you... leaves a calling card."

Are there any indicators that the double homicide mentioned by Gordon will be relevant to the plot of TDK?

[SuperFerret]

Any indicators would be in the line itself, and thus, no.

[TheBatman072]

Murder. One of his many crimes.

[Juanigi]

probably not at all

I'm imagining a bodycount in the hundreds

[Superman Prime]

Perhaps the two he murdered at first are noteworthy.

[SuperFerret]

Perhaps the two he murdered are noteworthy.

If they were, Gordon would've likely mentioned them.

[Superman Prime]

If they were, Gordon would've likely mentioned them.

Or perhaps Gordon didn't realize how noteworthy they were at that time.

[Ozymandias]

I doubt it will be specifically mentioned as it's probably one of his many crimes. However, it might be touched upon in the anime movie that takes place between BB and TDK.

[rory_bat]

"Take this guy. Armed robbery, double homicide. Got a taste for the theatrical, like you... leaves a calling card."

Are there any indicators that the double homicide mentioned by Gordon will be relevant to the plot of TDK?

Zero.

Just one of his many killings.

[Bishop]

it'll be irrelevant, as the joker has killed more people than he has taken dumps

[SuperFerret]

Or perhaps Gordon didn't realize how noteworthy they were at that time.

He would have known who the victims were if he already had the Joker card, which presumably was found at the crime scene, hence the "calling card".

[BubbaGump]

Could the double-homicide have been the Claridge and Wilde murders? Maybe we'll see a flashback, who knows?

[turtlefocker]

Many people had theorized that that scene would have opened the film before we had info. Based on what we know know it seems it wont have anything to do with the plot.

I think it would have been cool if the double homicide had of been important characters after there death.

[Nepenthes]

it might be touched upon in the anime movie that takes place between BB and TDK.

I hope so.

It would be nice to see Batman start out on this case unaware of where it's going to lead him. He thinks Joker is just some lightweight crook.

[Ocka]

it'll be irrelevant, as the joker has killed more people than he has taken dumps

The Joker uses the restroom?

[Dvhyzs]

The Joker uses the restroom?
:dry:

[Ozymandias]

Yeah, it could make for a very interesting plot for the anime movie. It could also show the beginnings of Batman becoming a great detective.

[1981]

I wonder where Bats learns his detective skills.

[Superman Prime]

He read a lot of Nancy Drew novels as a teenager.

[1981]

He read a lot of Nancy Drew novels as a teenager.

I thought Wayne would be more into Hardy Boys.

[Mr. Todd]

PFFFFT!

It was from all those hours of watching Scooby-Doo, of course! Why do u think WB owns BOTH Scooby and Batman??? :whatever:

[Darkness Falls]

no he learnt it from sherlock holmes
back to the joker
wait a minuite what hasn't been discussed:huh:

[1981]

I like the Scooby Doo theory...

"No prints, no I.D."
Batman wipes off the Joker's make-up.
Jinkies! Its old man Smithers who watches after the abandoned Six Flags Theme Park outside of town!

[CaptainClown]

I like how old man smithers is always the name people think of

[1981]

I know, I know. I just couldn't think of anything else.

[Mr. Socko]

I like the Scooby Doo theory...

"No prints, no I.D."
Batman wipes off the Joker's make-up.
Jinkies! Its old man Smithers who watches after the abandoned Six Flags Theme Park outside of town!


LOL!:woot:

I love Scooby Doo.

[CaptainClown]

I know, I know. I just couldn't think of anything else.

I woulda said the same thing old man smithers

[Darkness Falls]

I have a joker question
The joker was on a skateboard
followed by a massive camera on a crane following him while on little whacker shoot

is this in the film or just an extra for the TDK dvd

[Juanigi]

neither

[Darkness Falls]

neither

what a shame

[Juanigi]

I guess there's a chance that some crew member had a little digital camera to record behind-the-scenes stuff

[Seraphartman]

I always think of the creeper when I think of a Scooby-Doo villan that and Don Knots?


But anyway this is probably the wrong thread to post this at but I always wondered about how some say the Joker's goons turn on him and are the ones to cut his mouth but it seems to me that if the Joker is going to be this crazy psycho-path that we all hope he will be in the movie you would think that they would kill him instead of just cutting him. But it is just my opinion because this does not seem like a guy you would want to tick off.

[CaptainClown]

I always think of the creeper when I think of a Scooby-Doo villan that and Don Knots?


But anyway this is probably the wrong thread to post this at but I always wondered about how some say the Joker's goons turn on him and are the ones to cut his mouth but it seems to me that if the Joker is going to be this crazy psycho-path that we all hope he will be in the movie you would think that they would kill him instead of just cutting him. But it is just my opinion because this does not seem like a guy you would want to tick off.

not all people want to kill.. They could have used it as a threat

[1981]

I don't think Joker's men do that to him. I think the mob turns to him (briefly stated in teaser) and realize this guy is a wacko and needs to be taught a lesson and shove off.

[Mr. Socko]

I doubt Joker's goons will turn on him, he probably has them throughout the entire thing. If anyone turns on him and causes the scarring, I believe it's going to be the Mob. Maroni or his akin.

[CaptainClown]

well he could mistreat him like in clockwork orange or the Mob is paying them off. there are countless possibilities. Oh well I haven't read the script

[1981]

So, wait.... you haven't read the script yet?

[CaptainClown]

I just wrote that didn't I?