The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[Mr. Socko]

Just waiting around for those new pictures next month.

[Juanigi]

maybe they'll release the entire shooting script as a prize on one of the viral sites

[1981]

bingo!

[Steelsheen]

maybe they'll release the entire shooting script as a prize on one of the viral sites

only after the film debuts at the BO.

[Darkness Falls]

speaking of viral sites
what do the site will be about
and what will the images from the film be of
i'm hopin for a batman vs joker pic

[Mr. Socko]

maybe they'll release the entire shooting script as a prize on one of the viral sites


And then they may just release the entire film on youtube in December.

[Darkness Falls]

And then they may just release the entire film on youtube in December.

brilliant

[wizzard890]

I think the mob turns to him (briefly stated in teaser) and realize this guy is a wacko and needs to be taught a lesson and shove off.

This kind of got me thinking. A couple pages back, some people were wondering how, in light of the new footage released, Joker is arrested in the first place. So I wondered if maybe the mob drops Gordon a tip. Then they could get rid of Joker without having to send someone to go up against him physically (not something I would want to do.) :ninja:

Just a thought.

[Batman FREAK]

^ That makes perfect sense to me.

[CaptainClown]

makes sense i don't see why not

[1981]

I think he gets arrested when Batman flips his semi. I'm sure Joker is in the back of that when it happens (resulting in blood on his face in the footage), leading to his capture.

[gwynplaine]

Could he be arrested after the bank robbery ? Maybe betrayed by his goons ? I have no idea.

[Yurka]

dude shut up,


also, what happened to the joker sightings thread?

[The Mighty Wind]

I HVE DA FOOTGE!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
Yeah, we didn't see that coming at all! :whatever:

[gwynplaine]

I HVE DA FOOTGE!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
It was already pathetic the first time around so imagine now.

[FatA$$]

::sigh:: we need footage

[Mr. Socko]

also, what happened to the joker sightings thread?


No clue why it's not stickied.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=278778

[gwynplaine]

Yeah, where dit it go ?

[DeaDheaD]

No clue why it's not stickied.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=278778

Didnt hunter say that stickies are not permannent, maybe it has to be re-stickied.

[BubbaGump]

Why is everyone saying the Joker has a cut smile? Looking at the two official pictures released by Warner Bros, there is no trace or evidence that the smile is carved, ala the infamous Chelsea grin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_grin

The popular Batman zipline theory can be debunked by the fact that Batman wasn't seen during the bank robbery filming (and why would he appear in the day, anyway?). And if the the bank robbery scene IS a flashback, there'd be no reason to include Batman, seeing as he received info about the Joker on Gordon's rooftop.

However, looking at the two official pictures (and the IMAX pic), a bullet-wound theory becomes all the more evident (proof, too!).

Let's go back to the bank robbery scene. One of Joker's goons points a gun to his back. Betrayal, maybe. But for now let's check out the scene in more detail.

First, Joker's goon is upset that Ledger slept with Jake Gylenhaal in Brokeback Mountain.

http://i9.tinypic.com/6cyaw4k.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/4zcod5c.jpg

http://i18.tinypic.com/67s5ht1.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/5yc12s1.jpg

Ladeedaa...they get away by means of the blue SUV.

After making it to Joker's abandoned amusement park hide-out (hey, one can still hope!), Joker goes insane and realizes that the bullet wound can make for an interesting addition to his gimmick.

He connects the dots.

Literally, with make-up!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/Mr_J_20/DarkKnightProductionShot1.jpg

So with a new face, Joker goes on to take over the city. Chelsea grin? I don't think so.

http://i12.tinypic.com/4tu7zug.jpg

All you have to do is connect the dots...

http://i14.tinypic.com/4p3pjwn.jpg

[Crook]

*speechless*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Shocked/014.gif

[DeaDheaD]

Lmao^^^^^ Classic

[Dvhyzs]

wow....that's pretty good.

[sasquatchs]

Applaud the effort. Wouldn't a gunshot wound in that position blow his cheekbones/teeth off?

[rory_bat]

Very Interesting.....

[Wedge A.]

Except I think a bullet wound would be a bit bigger. And it probably would have broken something other than skin, assuming his mouth is closed inside the mask.

[the_monk]

Don't get out much?

[Johnichi Chiba]

Bullet wounds aren't that clean. ever.

[Dvhyzs]

Applaud the effort. Wouldn't a gunshot wound in that position blow his cheekbones/teeth off?
too high for teeth...and i dont think you can ''blow" off a cheekbone.

[Mysterio]

what are we to make of the cleverly positioned red dot on the tip of his nose?


by the way...is the Ledger holding a mask in the IMAX pic?

[Dvhyzs]

what are we to make of the cleverly positioned red dot on the tip of his nose?
he's santa.

[BubbaGump]

Don't get out much?

Ah, who does these days?

[Crook]

Ah, who does these days?
It's summer. :o

[DeaDheaD]

Bubba is truly an analyzing god among men.

[Dvhyzs]

How long did it take you to make the OP?

[BubbaGump]

How long did it take you to make the OP?

OP? Remember, I'm bad with initials.

[Dvhyzs]

OP? Remember, I'm bad with initials.
*sigh* original post... Did you think it was Panic! again?

[BubbaGump]

It's summer. :o

Shut up, 28 posts per day. :o

[Figs]

I can see it now. A scene with Joker in jail and Batman entering his cell to question him. He finds Joker laying on the floor on his belly with his feet in the air, playing around with a connect the dots childrens book.

[BubbaGump]

*sigh* original post... Did you think it was Panic! again?

:csad:

[Dvhyzs]

:csad:
http://www.rabbit.org/graphics/fun/netbunnies/bunny-odonel1.jpg

[strikezone89]

he gets his cut smile from bats>!

[Dvhyzs]

he gets his cut smile from bats>!


:o .

[BubbaGump]

Applaud the effort. Wouldn't a gunshot wound in that position blow his cheekbones/teeth off?

Like I took that into consideration. :whatever:

[orestes]

hmm..not bad.

Probably one of the best, if not best, theories I've read.

good job Bubba.

[DeaDheaD]

Could someone sticky this thread

[BubbaGump]

Could someone sticky this thread

It doesn't need to be. :huh:

[DeaDheaD]

It doesn't need to be. :huh:
Joke :csad:

[johnnye]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/manmeat/jokur.jpg

And how would you explain that scarring?

_____

[Dvhyzs]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/manmeat/jokur.jpg

And how would you explain that scarring?

_____
makeup test.

[Figs]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/manmeat/jokur.jpg

And how would you explain that scarring?

_____


Read my earlier post in this thread. Batman takes the pencil Joker was using for his book and stabs him with it.:oldrazz:

[He-Man]

Why is everyone saying the Joker has a cut smile? Looking at the two official pictures released by Warner Bros, there is no trace or evidence that the smile is carved, ala the infamous Chelsea grin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_grin

The popular Batman zipline theory can be debunked by the fact that Batman wasn't seen during the bank robbery filming (and why would he appear in the day, anyway?). And if the the bank robbery scene IS a flashback, there'd be no reason to include Batman, seeing as he received info about the Joker on Gordon's rooftop.

However, looking at the two official pictures (and the IMAX pic), a bullet-wound theory becomes all the more evident (proof, too!).

Let's go back to the bank robbery scene. One of Joker's goons points a gun to his back. Betrayal, maybe. But for now let's check out the scene in more detail.

First, Joker's goon is upset that Ledger slept with Jake Gylenhaal in Brokeback Mountain.

http://i9.tinypic.com/6cyaw4k.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/4zcod5c.jpg

http://i18.tinypic.com/67s5ht1.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/5yc12s1.jpg

Ladeedaa...they get away by means of the blue SUV.

After making it to Joker's abandoned amusement park hide-out (hey, one can still hope!), Joker goes insane and realizes that the bullet wound can make for an interesting addition to his gimmick.

He connects the dots.

Literally, with make-up!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/Mr_J_20/DarkKnightProductionShot1.jpg

So with a new face, Joker goes on to take over the city. Chelsea grin? I don't think so.

http://i12.tinypic.com/4tu7zug.jpg

All you have to do is connect the dots...

http://i14.tinypic.com/4p3pjwn.jpg

Creative...

LOL
Hey this actually happened to one of my brothers when we were younger.
1 of my brothers had a pellet gun. Saw a bird fly by turned to shoot it. One of my other brothers just happend to be standing in the path. It entered right below his right cheek and stopped inside of his left cheek. He does have a funny looking scar on the right side of his face from it..
I'm sure a pistol and pellet gun won't have the same effect...but it is possible.

[BubbaGump]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/manmeat/jokur.jpg

And how would you explain that scarring?

http://i12.tinypic.com/4tu7zug.jpg

How would you explain its disappearance?

[BubbaGump]

Creative...

LOL
Hey this actually happened to one of my brothers when we were younger.
1 of my brothers had a pellet gun. Saw a bird fly by turned to shoot it. One of my other brothers just happend to be standing in the path. It entered right below his right cheek and stopped inside of his left cheek. He does have a funny looking scar on the right side of his face from it..
I'm sure a pistol and pellet gun won't have the same effect...but it is possible.

It's completely realistic!

[Dvhyzs]

It's completely realistic!
It truly is...people keep thinking it will hit the cheekbone and explode...what kind of Resident evil BS is that?

[sasquatchs]

In the makeup test it looks like the wound is on the dot on his right side, and closer to the lips on the left.

[DARKxGOTHAMITE]

http://i12.tinypic.com/4tu7zug.jpg

How would you explain its disappearance?
well i think the first pic we got from IBIHDT is his look towards the end of the film it remembles the spy pics we've been getting...the one with Rachel is maybe more towards the beggining/middle, ive read a lot he progresses getting deeper and deeper into the whole persona of The Joker...

[BEEEsH]

I agree with the OP and it fits in pretty good with Nolan's realm realism. Didn't 50 cent get shot in the face too?

I suppose the caliber of the gun, the distance from which it was fired, and the angle in which the joker 'could potentially' be hit from would play a big issue with the scaring and any internal mouth injuries he would receive.

Its plausible.

[BubbaGump]

Now the question we should be asking is...

Does it hurt when he laughs?

[Mr. Socko]

In the very first official pic we were given of Joker, you can see that the right side looks like much more than just a bullet hole. The lipstick is covering a long scar all the way across.

[Dvhyzs]

Now the question we should be asking is...

Does it hurt when he laughs?
the real question should be...
Would he even care about the pain?

[DeaDheaD]

What if he has nerve damage in his face?

[Bond]

What the hell?

That sucks.

:(

[DARKxGOTHAMITE]

IMO it goes...
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o303/dreibarra/dark-knight1x-large.jpg

then

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o303/dreibarra/theknifejokernrachel.jpg


then
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o303/dreibarra/heathjokerofficialpic.jpg

andhttp://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o303/dreibarra/heathjokerspypic9.jpg

[cryptic name]

they used the bullet wound thing in batman '89. doubt they'd do it again for this.

[Dvhyzs]

What the hell?

That sucks.

:(
That thread was your bastard child huh?

[Guano]

This is definitely THE best theory I've seen so far. Roflcopters. :up:

[BEEEsH]

I wonder if it was a .22 caliber?

lol

[Fatal Hilarity]

I made a comment on his teeth a while ago when the zip-line idea came around... wouldn't the Jokers iconic smile be, well, broken? A few teeth remaining, possibly? I really don't imagine a bullet would miss all his teeth and hit cheek all the way through...

[deathfromabove]

http://i12.tinypic.com/4tu7zug.jpg

How would you explain its disappearance?

it's still there. it goes from a cut to a scar.

and im not sure about a bullet wound but what if the zipline shoots him in the face?

[Bond]

I'd rather have Batman be the one who scars him, giving Joker a reason to hate him even more, but that is an awesome theory. I've never noticed those red dots on the sides of his mask.

[Bond]

Yes... :(

[Dvhyzs]

We need it back,seriously.

[Yurka]

We need it back,seriously.

Indeed, I went to go look at the pics and I was like...

:dry: , what the hell is this?


has someone PM'd hunter?

[Bond]

I'll do it

[Dvhyzs]

Are they dusting off the forums and deleted threads at random or something?

[sasquatchs]

No clue why it's not stickied.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=278778

It is stickied, in the Batcave sticky

[Dvhyzs]

It is stickied, in the Batcave sticky
Noone ever goes in there.

[BEEEsH]

Maybe AMH shoots him!

[the_monk]

Or maybe it's falafel guy that shoots him.

[BubbaGump]

it's still there. it goes from a cut to a scar.


Please point it out. Saying that it's there won't do anything.

[DeaDheaD]

Or maybe it's falafel guy that shoots him.

Maybe AMH is Fallafel Guy?????:ninja:

[TheBatman072]

Yeah. No.

[Mr. Socko]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o303/dreibarra/heathjokerofficialpic.jpg

I hope that look doesn't make it into the movie. And what is up with the bottom lip...

[Bond]

This is what he said:

b/c we have to many stickies and i needed to re stick the thread for the fakery due to this WW fake footage flying around.

It's fun to read in a British accent.

[the_monk]

Maybe AMH is Fallafel Guy?????:ninja:

mmm....falafel....

[Dvhyzs]

This is what he said:



It's fun to read in a British accent.
Ha! yeah...i read it in the accent too. Nonetheless i still think the joker sighting thread was more important than the fakery thread.

[DeaDheaD]

I thought the Joker teeth are supposed to be screwed up anyways so there really isnt anything that wrong with Bubba's Theory

[Bond]

Am I the only one who likes the IBIHDT pic more than the Knife pic?

[Figs]

I thought the Joker teeth are supposed to be screwed up anyways so there really isnt anything that wrong with Bubba's Theory


Only time I've noticed them being screwed up is when Sale handles them. :woot: :oldrazz:

[Bond]

Ha! yeah...i read it in the accent too. Nonetheless i still think the joker sighting thread was more important than the fakery thread.
Yeah... oh well.

[Dvhyzs]

Am I the only one who likes the IBIHDT pic more than the Knife pic?
Nope...i do.

[Mr. Socko]

Am I the only one who likes the IBIHDT pic more than the Knife pic?


Only thing I like about it is that the skin shows no signs of flesh color.

[DeaDheaD]

Only time I've noticed them being screwed up is when Sale handles them. :woot: :oldrazz:

Touche...........:dry:

[CaptainClown]

send 10 bucks to me in paypal

[Bright Knight]

It's summer. :o


It has rained for over 70 consequetive days in Ireland... Speak for yourself!

[DownOnTheUpside]

has anyone else noticed in the joker spypics thread, the joker is actually wearing a different mask?
I think thats actually J holding the gun......I dunno..................

[Venom 1988]

has anyone else noticed in the joker spypics thread, the joker is actually wearing a different mask?
I think thats actually J holding the gun......I dunno..................

No Joker wears the Grumpy mask, there set pics of Heath putting that mask on

[Mr. Socko]

Whenever I glance at your name I read "CaptainCoons" lol. He was like the best part about Batman Returns to me.

[Hole Shot]

L.A. Confidential. Russel Crow gets shot exactly like Bubba is describing.

I think it can work. All we know is that a scar is incorporated into his look, I think the Internet rolled with the Chelsea grin idea. The IBIHT image was reported to be an early make-up test image.

A .22 could do that without a total explosion from the exit wound on side of the face.

[Bishop]

too high for teeth...and i dont think you can ''blow" off a cheekbone.


it'd make the joker's entire face really droopy
like one of those dogs with the face flaps

[Dvhyzs]

it'd make the joker's entire face really droopy
like one of those docks with the face flaps
man what?

[Bishop]

sorry, i meant 'dogs'.



rectified

[deathfromabove]

Please point it out. Saying that it's there won't do anything.

point what out? the scar? :dry: its in both shots.

ok. i'll go real slow.

in the ibihdt pic the right side (his right , our left) of his face appears to have a smooth curved cut ending in a more bubbled three pronged wound, unlike the left side which looks much more mangled. his right lip is also slightly puffy and injured.

in the why so serious pic with rachel and the knife the scar has the same shape (including the three little bumps and lip puffiness) but instead of a cut it looks like a freshly healed (or healing) scar. now it may look more exaggerated in the first picture because of the lightning and extreme angle of the shot but if you look at the details of the wound, they are the same.

i apoligize for not circling the wound with sloppy red lines in the two pictures but i suck at that sort of stuff and you can just go to the joker sightings thread and look for yourself.

[CaptainClown]

haha Captaincoons

[deathfromabove]

here. this thread shows both pics back to back.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=280319

[BubbaGump]

point what out? the scar? :dry: its in both shots.

ok. i'll go real slow.

in the ibihdt pic the right side (his right , our left) of his face appears to have a smooth curved cut ending in a more bubbled three pronged wound, unlike the left side which looks much more mangled. his right lip is also slightly puffy and injured.

in the why so serious pic with rachel and the knife the scar has the same shape (including the three little bumps and lip puffiness) but instead of a cut it looks like a freshly healed (or healing) scar. now it may look more exaggerated in the first picture because of the lightning and extreme angle of the shot but if you look at the details of the wound, they are the same.

i apoligize for not circling the wound with sloppy red lines in the two pictures but i suck at that sort of stuff and you can just go to the joker sightings thread and look for yourself.

Ah, I see what you're implying. :up:

It's still hard to see with these extreme shots though.

[BubbaGump]

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2966/ladeedaxk0.jpg

Here's another observation. You can see the extreme scarring of his left cheek (circled), ever so slightly, in the Rachel-knife pic. It's drooping.

[Dvhyzs]

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2966/ladeedaxk0.jpg

Here's another observation. You can see the extreme scarring of his left cheek (circled), ever so slightly, in the Rachel-knife pic. It's drooping.
to me that looks like part of the puffy droopy lip on the left side of the IBIHD's pic.

[Dvhyzs]

coons is a racist term
it shouldnt be thrown around like this ok guys
Racist toward a dog?

[CaptainClown]

I was tempted to respond saying other racist remarks mostly about my race but I laugh at people who preach stuff like that HA

[CaptainClown]

I can't help myself hehehe

there is a chink in the chain.. you are the weakest link good bye

[jtfaria]

This kind of got me thinking. A couple pages back, some people were wondering how, in light of the new footage released, Joker is arrested in the first place. So I wondered if maybe the mob drops Gordon a tip. Then they could get rid of Joker without having to send someone to go up against him physically (not something I would want to do.) :ninja:

Just a thought.

Exactly what a Maroni-type would do, in fact.

[jtfaria]

Im pretty sure the joker mobile is the semi.

The semi is the Joker's Tumbler. The Clown Car is his Pod.

[Yurka]

I can't help myself hehehe

there is a chink in the chain.. you are the weakest link good bye

Chink is a racist term
it shouldnt be thrown around like this ok guys











:oldrazz:

[CaptainClown]

Chink is a racist term
it shouldnt be thrown around like this ok guys











:oldrazz:
ain't I a stinka?

[Mr. Socko]

coons is a racist term
it shouldnt be thrown around like this ok guys


Captain Coons is a character from the film Pulp Fiction played by Christopher Walken, hence me saying I enjoyed his performance.

[Juanigi]

I still say they're chemical burns, not cuts

[Venom'sDad]

Why is everyone saying the Joker has a cut smile? Looking at the two official pictures released by Warner Bros, there is no trace or evidence that the smile is carved, ala the infamous Chelsea grin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_grin

The popular Batman zipline theory can be debunked by the fact that Batman wasn't seen during the bank robbery filming (and why would he appear in the day, anyway?). And if the the bank robbery scene IS a flashback, there'd be no reason to include Batman, seeing as he received info about the Joker on Gordon's rooftop.

However, looking at the two official pictures (and the IMAX pic), a bullet-wound theory becomes all the more evident (proof, too!).

Let's go back to the bank robbery scene. One of Joker's goons points a gun to his back. Betrayal, maybe. But for now let's check out the scene in more detail.

First, Joker's goon is upset that Ledger slept with Jake Gylenhaal in Brokeback Mountain.

http://i9.tinypic.com/6cyaw4k.jpg


http://i18.tinypic.com/67s5ht1.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/5yc12s1.jpg

Ladeedaa...they get away by means of the blue SUV.

After making it to Joker's abandoned amusement park hide-out (hey, one can still hope!), Joker goes insane and realizes that the bullet wound can make for an interesting addition to his gimmick.

He connects the dots.

Literally, with make-up!


So with a new face, Joker goes on to take over the city. Chelsea grin? I don't think so.

http://i12.tinypic.com/4tu7zug.jpg



First of all, that was a good presentation.

Second that's not Heath, heath is holding the gun.

Third if he ws shot as you say, there would be a much larger EXIT WOUND on the other cheek.

Fourth we saw pictures of a rip chord wound that left much more than just DOTS on his cheeks.

Fifth did I say good presentation. ;)

[Juanigi]

heath isn't holding the gun

[Crook]

Second that's not Heath, heath is holding the gun.
Yes. It is. It's been proven months ago.

[sasquatchs]

Nah, Heath is in the foreground

[jimmy]

What a crazy thread. . .

[BubbaGump]

First of all, that was a good presentation.

Second that's not Heath, heath is holding the gun.

Third if he ws shot as you say, there would be a much larger EXIT WOUND on the other cheek.

Fourth we saw pictures of a rip chord wound that left much more than just DOTS on his cheeks.

Fifth did I say good presentation. ;)

1. :yay:

2. Nope. It's Heath. Check the Joker sightings thread.

3. It's still a theory.

4. Do show the picture.

5. :yay:

[Venom'sDad]

I gracefully disagree with your # 2.

#3 has been debunked.

#4 Scroll back some and you'll see one of those pictures.

[Dvhyzs]

I gracefully disagree with your # 2.

#3 has been debunked.

#4 Scroll back some and you'll see one of those pictures.
No...he's right it is heath.

[Crook]

I gracefully disagree with your # 2.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/Mr_J_20/dark-knight1x-large.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/203/466656890_fed2b8e8f8_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/167/466681088_d39e2396f3_b.jpg

Gracefully back down. You're not going to win this one. :o

[the_monk]

I still say they're chemical burns, not cuts

I agree with this. That "bubbling" on the cheeks doesn't look much like a cut.

[Dvhyzs]

Gracefully back down. You're not going to win this one. :o
/thread win.

[Venom'sDad]

Not trying to win anything, thank you.

Good pics, never saw those sequences.

[ShadowoftheBird]

If the bullet also does damage to his tongue/teeth, it would also explain the psychotic daffy-duck sound to his voice, his mouth is all messed up.

Chronologically I'm not sure how this all plays out, but in terms of the mechanics, I think it fits perfectly. Notice how the scarring on the right side of the IBIHD pic (the left side of his face) is more pronounced. Exit wound? Maybe. It doesn't have to be perfectly symmetrical. Joker can fill in the rest. The wound doesn't seem to go up the whole right side of the picture (left side of his face) to where the other dot would be.

Can I get an Amen?

[ShadowoftheBird]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z183/SperoValeo/trajectory.jpg

This is what I'm talking about. Trajectory. Larger exit wound. Crazy Clown Man.

[Juanigi]

does someone have an artist's skull that they can use to confirm whether there's a clean shot somewhere in there

[wizzard890]

coons is a racist term
it shouldnt be thrown around like this ok guys

I know you mean well, but chill out. "Spook" is also a racist term, but it can also mean, obviously, a ghost. It all depends on the context.

(There are also these little animals called "racoons." :woot:)

[Juanigi]

there's a book that hinges on that point

[the_monk]

I'm sorry guys. I think the "Connect the dots" part of the idea is cool, but I don't really buy this whole gunshot theory. The skin looks as if it's faced severe heat. A bullet would most likely just make a clean hole, not make the skin bubble like that.

[Cowleen]

Anyone who has seen a keloid type scar will tell you it is thick and bubbley looking. I like this theory. If someone would make it into a gif with the words 'back and to the left' It would own all others.

[Juanigi]

yeah his smile sort of does curve that way

who knows about the other parts of his anatomy :o

[He-Man]

does someone have an artist's skull that they can use to confirm whether there's a clean shot somewhere in there

http://www.doereport.com/imagescooked/246W.jpg
Not a clean shot (in 1 side out the other) but gives a general idea......

[Dvhyzs]

http://www.doereport.com/imagescooked/246W.jpg
Not a clean shot but gives a general idea......
That makes it completely possible.

[SimpleHero82]

hmm well. i know we prob think their isn't an origin story. but its starting to look like there will be one.

[the_monk]

Anyone who has seen a keloid type scar will tell you it is thick and bubbley looking. I like this theory. If someone would make it into a gif with the words 'back and to the left' It would own all others.

Can a keloid scar come from a gunshot? I don't know this stuff too well.

Oh yeah, and "Back and to the left."

"Back, and to the left. Back.....and to the left."

There had to be a second shooter.

[ShadowoftheBird]

http://www.doereport.com/imagescooked/246W.jpg
Not a clean shot (in 1 side out the other) but gives a general idea......

Reflect that over a perfectly horizontal line, lower it down the face some, and you've got exactly what we might be seeing here.

EDIT: Although we wouldn't know when the shooter would shoot, we could presume that it's as the Joker is turning around, and when you turn toward someone behind you, it's not uncommon (and maybe natural) for you to cock your head so the eyes are the first to greet them, giving a diagonal shot through the face if even on a trajectory completely parallel to the ground.

[He-Man]

Can a keloid scar come from a gunshot? I don't know this stuff too well.

Oh yeah, and "Back and to the left."

"Back, and to the left. Back.....and to the left."



There had to be a second shooter.

http://www.medicineonline.com/encyclopedia/K/Keloid

Keloids are associated with skin healing after injury. Some events associated with keloid formation include the following:

accidental injuries, such as gunshot wounds
piercing of body parts, such as the earlobes and abdomen
surgery

[Matrixo]

Yes and there also known to spread from the source area.




hrmmm.

[ShadowoftheBird]

I think I might have to buy Bubba a drink. Fascinating theory.

[Cowleen]

http://www.medicineonline.com/encyclopedia/K/Keloid

Keloids are associated with skin healing after injury. Some events associated with keloid formation include the following:

accidental injuries, such as gunshot wounds
piercing of body parts, such as the earlobes and abdomen
surgeryThanks! I always thought I spelled it wrong, too.

[Bright Knight]

Yes. It is. It's been proven months ago.

Heath is not holding the gun.

[360sculptguy]

L.A. Confidential. Russel Crow gets shot exactly like Bubba is describing.

I think it can work. All we know is that a scar is incorporated into his look, I think the Internet rolled with the Chelsea grin idea. The IBIHT image was reported to be an early make-up test image.

A .22 could do that without a total explosion from the exit wound on side of the face.

Russel Crow's character also had his jaw wired shut and a bandage covering half his face after that happened (the last scene of the movie).

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2966/ladeedaxk0.jpg

Here's another observation. You can see the extreme scarring of his left cheek (circled), ever so slightly, in the Rachel-knife pic. It's drooping.

I think you're smoking crack here. His head isn't turned enough to get perspective on his far cheek. What you've circled on the knife pic is the lip scarring we see on heath's bottom right lip in the IBIHDT pic.

Shown here:

Very recent wound in IBIHDT with scarred and swollen lip.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/jdpatterson78/jokerrevealedlipscar.jpg

Sewn back together and somewhat healed wound in the knife pic.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/jdpatterson78/jokerlipscar.jpg


Knife pic follows IBIHDT pic

I still say they're chemical burns, not cuts

Well, those look nothing like chemicals burns but I suppose it could be one of those instances where Nolan plays a little loose with the rules. It would have to be a splashed acid incident as well do to the very defined area that is affected. Not sure how much sense that would make in a movie already including the origins of Two Face. This wound fits the appearance of wounds caused by an event in this order of likelyhood: the steel zipline slashing across his face (which seems somewhat disproven given what we saw of filming), a very slow gruesome carving by a pretty dull implement, and a bullet wound.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z183/SperoValeo/trajectory.jpg

This is what I'm talking about. Trajectory. Larger exit wound. Crazy Clown Man.

I can see what you're thinking. It just doesn't work for me.

Bullet wound gets last place for likelyhood for me because the scar goes all the way from molar to corner of the mouth across the lips picks back up at the other corner of mouth and continues to other molar. There is no entry wound that makes sense, unless it's one of the infamous "magic bullets" that bend around the contours of his face connecting the dots with carnage (it's not just his red make-up).

Lastly, if we're actually considering the possibility of this being a bullet wound I gotta say I can't see Nolan ignoring what that would actually do to a person"s face. I suppose its possible Joker was at the dentist saying AHHhh! when he got shot, but otherwise it'd hit bone structure of some kind. He wouldn't be able to talk, even as an insane person, for a month and a half. Whether he'd ever be able to talk again without sounding like the 'Throw Momma from the Train' woman would be debatable. At the very least he'd need a couple surgeries and his jaw wired to put things back together again, otherwise he'd be spitting blood and gang green for months.

All that being said does anyone have a report from someone in production that says the IBIHDT pic was only a test and wouldn't be seen on screen.

[the_monk]

The name for this theory should be "BubbaGump's Magic Bullet Theory".

[Juanigi]

Well, those look nothing like chemicals burns but I suppose it could be one of those instances where Nolan plays a little loose with the rules. It would have to be a splashed acid incident as well do to the very defined area that is affected. Not sure how much sense that would make in a movie already including the origins of Two Face.I was thinking more about something dribbling out of the sides of his mouth while he was on his back

[Crook]

Heath is not holding the gun.
I didn't say he was. :dry:

[Dvhyzs]

The name for this theory should be "BubbaGump's Magic Bullet Theory".
:down: weak.

[Juanigi]

All that being said does anyone have a report from someone in production that says the IBIHDT pic was only a test and wouldn't be seen on screen.also, yes

darkest knight reported this when he was talking to the crew on set a month ago:

"The official photographer for the movie told us that first pic of the Joker was by someone named Wally, and it was for the first makeup test. He said he took WAY more of Joker after that, and they are better photos and we should start getting some in the coming months. The dude went onto absolutely PRAISE Ledger's characterization. Even went on record to say it will blow away Nicholson's. He said it is THAT memorable. Everyone on set was giddy when talking about Ledger. Said he's being truly innovative, and down right creepy with this role. They also mentioned how terrifying he looks on the set in costume. And he will have black eyes, this was confirmed."

[Matrixo]

Now that I think bout it I lined up Heaths face with mine and if he got shot like that on his right cheek it would either hit his gums or teeth and would maybe break his teeth on the left side. :csad:

[Dvhyzs]

also, yes

darkest knight reported this when he was talking to the crew on set a month ago:

"The official photographer for the movie told us that first pic of the Joker was by someone named Wally, and it was for the first makeup test. He said he took WAY more of Joker after that, and they are better photos and we should start getting some in the coming months. The dude went onto absolutely PRAISE Ledger's characterization. Even went on record to say it will blow away Nicholson's. He said it is THAT memorable. Everyone on set was giddy when talking about Ledger. Said he's being truly innovative, and down right creepy with this role. They also mentioned how terrifying he looks on the set in costume. And he will have black eyes, this was confirmed."
Imagine how terrible he would look if he didn't.

[Dvhyzs]

Now that I think bout it I lined up Heaths face with mine and if he got shot like that on his right cheek it would either hit his gums or teeth and would maybe break his teeth on the left side. :csad:
Maybe his mouth was open?

[Matrixo]

How are we suppose to know that with his mask on!?!?!? :huh:

[Boom]

If a bullet pierced through his cheeks, it would effectively damage the muscles in The Joker's cheeks. He would never be able to smile again.

[strikezone89]

why is this thread open. think if someone got shot in the mouth i think his teeth would be shattered

[Trooper]

the more i look at that pic (IBIHDT) the more he scares me..

[ShadowoftheBird]

why is this thread open. think if someone got shot in the mouth i think his teeth would be shattered

Again, that would explain his voice being all messed up. If his jaw shattered, that's one thing.

And as for the scar traveling all the way around his mouth, that part could be self inflicted, then again, I haven't really seen a clear shot to indicate that anything other than the two points I circled are actually scars and not just smeared make up. If there is one, I would like to see it. I think the Joker/Dawes pic looks like a smear except for the tip. Look at the non-circle tip on the right side of the picture. I don't see a scar there at all. He just draws right up past it with the make up.

[Dvhyzs]

why is this thread open. think if someone got shot in the mouth i think his teeth would be shattered
the spot where he would be shot would be exactly behind his teeth.

[jtfaria]

The name for this theory should be "BubbaGump's Magic Bullet Theory".

Brilliant. Great thread.

[Bishop]

the left side wound looks very deliberate.

the right could definitely have been a bullet or something.

[cryptic name]

Am I the only one who likes the IBIHDT pic more than the Knife pic?

no, i preferred the first pic too.

[naPAULeon]

Absolutely brilliant!

[OSM]

This theory is incredible. I strongly support it.

[Dvhyzs]

no, i preferred the first pic too.
I finally feel not alone for once.

[Hole Shot]

Russel Crow's character also had his jaw wired shut and a bandage covering half his face after that happened (the last scene of the movie).

He was also shot with a .45

A .22 could pass through without even scratching a tooth if his mouth is open.

[cryptic name]

If the bullet also does damage to his tongue/teeth, it would also explain the psychotic daffy-duck sound to his voice, his mouth is all messed up.

Chronologically I'm not sure how this all plays out, but in terms of the mechanics, I think it fits perfectly. Notice how the scarring on the right side of the IBIHD pic (the left side of his face) is more pronounced. Exit wound? Maybe. It doesn't have to be perfectly symmetrical. Joker can fill in the rest. The wound doesn't seem to go up the whole right side of the picture (left side of his face) to where the other dot would be.

Can I get an Amen?

:huh:

[BubbaGump]

If a bullet pierced through his cheeks, it would effectively damage the muscles in The Joker's cheeks. He would never be able to smile again.

Which is why he uses lipstick to draw a smile from entry wound to exit. Hmm. That kinda sucks.

I wanted to see the Joker smile. :csad:

Oh well. Still a theory.

[hegele]

Just to clarify something: Heaths scar in the knife picture and the IBIHDT picture is EXACTLY THE SAME. The only differences are

the angle - obviously
the amount of white makeup - significantly less in the knife picture
the color correction of the photos - making his red lipstick darker/lighter, even the footage shown at WW was said to not be color corrected yet. Granted it is just as possible that they could be different tints of red.
the lighting - the heavy singular light source down on his face in the IBIHDT photo accentuates the scars. Since the knife photo has many many lights on Heath it illuminates every angle of his scarring, making its volume pop out less.

I honestly don't know why people think they changed the scars...

[Juanigi]

because they look completely different

[hegele]

because they look completely different

no they don't. I'm sorry but the scarring (not the make-up) is exactly the same.

[Juanigi]

there's nothing like a hole or gash in the knife pic, yet some sort of visible wounds on the earlier one

[not_a_victim]

I love how we will ignore the obvious. Why do people who have no idea how movie production works even try?
1. "Batman was not seen at the zipline scene"
- No kidding. That doesn't mean he can't be shot in studio then added to the scene, especially since no one was seen actually riding the zipline. ALso, if Joker arrives to the bank on wheels, why would he go to the top of the building to escape via zipline? And isn't it Bats who already has the capability of using a zipline?
2. We have seen at least two, maybe three versions of the Joker makeup. I am not talking about the red, black and white cream Ledger wears, but the actual prostetics that are applied to his face for whatever version of the "smile" we will eventually see. And despite what anyone (insider or not), has said, there is no reason to beleive any of the versions we have seen will wind up in the film.
I already proved that it quite possibly IS NOT Ledger wearing the frowny face mask, in the initial bank robbery,as the jacket in the pictures of Ledger masked and unmasked is different. (Ok, I didn't PROVE it, but I did show that there is a continuity error if it is Ledger wearing the frowny face mask.)

[Dvhyzs]

no they don't. I'm sorry but the scarring (not the make-up) is exactly the same.
The wound in the knife pic is CLEARLY a healed scar. While the first pic was a fresh cut.

[BubbaGump]

because they look completely different

Great argument.

[hegele]

I love how we will ignore the obvious. Why do people who have no idea how movie production works even try?
1. "Batman was not seen at the zipline scene"
- No kidding. That doesn't mean he can't be shot in studio then added to the scene, especially since no one was seen actually riding the zipline. ALso, if Joker arrives to the bank on wheels, why would he go to the top of the building to escape via zipline? And isn't it Bats who already has the capability of using a zipline?
2. We have seen at least two, maybe three versions of the Joker makeup. I am not talking about the red, black and white cream Ledger wears, but the actual prostetics that are applied to his face for whatever version of the "smile" we will eventually see. And despite what anyone (insider or not), has said, there is no reason to beleive any of the versions we have seen will wind up in the film.
I already proved that it quite possibly IS NOT Ledger wearing the frowny face mask, in the initial bank robbery,as the jacket in the pictures of Ledger masked and unmasked is different. (Ok, I didn't PROVE it, but I did show that there is a continuity error if it is Ledger wearing the frowny face mask.)

there was a youtube video of two goons riding it from the taller building onto the bank, before cutting the circuit of the building on the banks roof.

[hegele]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RQjUDZ4fDzI

there it is.

[Juanigi]

CHUCKLES
Four guys? That's it?

GRUMPY
There's two on the roof. Every guy is an extra share. Six shares is plenty.

[not_a_victim]

no they don't. I'm sorry but the scarring (not the make-up) is exactly the same.

Nope. In the IBHDT pic, the right side of Joker's bottom lip is so mangled, it blends into the upper part of his chin, and moves towards the right side of his cheek.
In the knife pic, we see the right side of his face (assuming we are not looking at a mirrored image), and that mangled area is not there. As a matter of fact, in the knife pic, there seems to be only a small, roundish scar about an inch and a half from the terminus of the right side of his lip.

[360sculptguy]

Again, that would explain his voice being all messed up. If his jaw shattered, that's one thing.

And as for the scar traveling all the way around his mouth, that part could be self inflicted, then again, I haven't really seen a clear shot to indicate that anything other than the two points I circled are actually scars and not just smeared make up. If there is one, I would like to see it. I think the Joker/Dawes pic looks like a smear except for the tip. Look at the non-circle tip on the right side of the picture. I don't see a scar there at all. He just draws right up past it with the make up.

Yeah, admittedly, if we are meant to believe we will never see Joker as he is in the IBIHDT pic, with an uninterrupted wound, then the scar in the knife pic could be anything.

And I would be incredibly dissapointed. I think Nolan has more integrity than that. That was an official pic. Make-up test or no. DC/WB/Nolan released it for use in the marketing. It was the first pic, the one everyone had been waiting for, kicking off a killer marketing campaign, a full face shot, of the freaking star of this installment. They intended to use it. That they might have even maybe been swayed the tiniest little bit by a small minority of people, stomping their feet and holding their breath... (sigh). Like I said, I will be terribly disappointed in someone.

I still don't take what Knight reported as meaning we absolutely won't see IBIHDT Joker. I believe his report one hundred percent, but it said it was a make up test. The guy said there would be "better" photos. Better doesn't exclude the existence of IBIHDT Joker. "Better" might as well have been "other". Because it was a make up test, that excludes the possibility of it being filmed? On the contrary a make up test means thats a direction they were wanting to go. So assume they did a dozen make-up tests, and didn't choose the IBIHDT one. Why in the name of Zeus's butthole would they release the image of the Joker that they didn't like. That makes zero sense.

[cryptic name]

i feel i must again bring to the table that this bullet through the cheeks theory is exactly what gave nicholson's joker his permagrin in batman '89.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhvkzhL6N2k

watch that and skip to 5:06 mark. batman deflects the bullet which tears through napiers cheeks, later creating his permanent smile.

does anyone really think nolan would do the exact same thing?

[not_a_victim]

there was a youtube video of two goons riding it from the taller building onto the bank, before cutting the circuit of the building on the banks roof.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

[Juanigi]

because it would be revealing the joker without necessarily giving away his final look

[cryptic name]

Which is why he uses lipstick to draw a smile from entry wound to exit. Hmm. That kinda sucks.

I wanted to see the Joker smile. :csad:

Oh well. Still a theory.

every single report on the wizard world footage has made mention of heath smiling as joker.

[hegele]

Nope. In the IBHDT pic, the right side of Joker's bottom lip is so mangled, it blends into the upper part of his chin, and moves towards the right side of his cheek.
In the knife pic, we see the right side of his face (assuming we are not looking at a mirrored image), and that mangled area is not there. As a matter of fact, in the knife pic, there seems to be only a small, roundish scar about an inch and a half from the terminus of the right side of his lip.

LIGHTING.

[He-Man]

why is this thread open. think if someone got shot in the mouth i think his teeth would be shattered

Not ture. Depends on the type of fun.

Who's to say he doesn't have some shattered or cracked teeth. We haven't seen him smile yet.

New Joker = white make up & cracked smile ???
http://www.halloweencostumes4u.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000003/65015a.jpg

:dry:

[He-Man]

every single report on the wizard world footage has made mention of heath smiling as joker.

Ok..I guess some have seen him smile.

[hegele]

maybe he gets new teeth... purposely yellow and skinny like CLOWN in the SPAWN movie!


j/k

[not_a_victim]

LIGHTING.

No. There is OBVIOUSLY more mass to the bottom lip in the IBHDT picture than in the knife pic. Look again, there is simply more mass there. The additional mass is part of the scar.
EDIT: In the IBDHT pic, you can't even tell where the lip ends, and where the cheek begins. That is clearly not the case in the knife pic. In the knife pic, Ledger's bottom lip is clearly defined.

[hegele]

No. There is OBVIOUSLY more mass to the bottom lip in the IBHDT picture than in the knife pic. Look again, there is simply more mass there. The additional mass is part of the scar.

the only physical difference is that the lipstick ends mid way on the mass in the knife photo whereas it covers all of it in the IBIHDT photo. the rest of the bulge just appears to be accentuated because of the strong light source.

[360sculptguy]

Nope. In the IBHDT pic, the right side of Joker's bottom lip is so mangled, it blends into the upper part of his chin, and moves towards the right side of his cheek.
In the knife pic, we see the right side of his face (assuming we are not looking at a mirrored image), and that mangled area is not there. As a matter of fact, in the knife pic, there seems to be only a small, roundish scar about an inch and a half from the terminus of the right side of his lip.

Sooo... it is there. Only healed?

[ShadowoftheBird]

No. There is OBVIOUSLY more mass to the bottom lip in the IBHDT picture than in the knife pic. Look again, there is simply more mass there. The additional mass is part of the scar.
EDIT: In the IBDHT pic, you can't even tell where the lip ends, and where the cheek begins. That is clearly not the case in the knife pic. In the knife pic, Ledger's bottom lip is clearly defined.

That's both a combination of lighting, makeup, and perspective (Ledger's Jaw is the foremost part of the picture).

Regardless, I think the two pictures are congruent, not contradictory. You can't see Joker's left side in the knife pic, and the perspective is so funky in the viral pic it obscurs portions of the scar which, for all we know, could just be make up.

[not_a_victim]

Sooo... it is there. Only healed?

SCARS are healed.
Before a scar heals, it is a WOUND.
And I'm sorry, there is no way the appliances in the IBHDT pic and the knife pic are the same.
The right side of his lower lip just melts into his face in one, and his lips are clearly defined in the other.
I would be willing to put money on the IBHDT pic appliance proved problematic for Ledger delivering his lines. The appliance attached to his lip may have either kept coming off, due to the lip moving while delivering lines, or made it difficult for him to speak.
If the two pics show identical appliances, then we have, indeed, seen all of joker's face. The left side in one, and the right side in another.
BTW, I think the IBHDT pic is an early test, as Ledger's face is fuller and rounder than we see in the knife pic. I believe he lost weight between the taking of the two pics.

[Hole Shot]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RQjUDZ4fDzI

there it is.



Ewwww! I think I have an idea and I'm not sure if I like it. Notice there is a break in footage between when they complete their ride and the next clip when the line is sagging? They're going to get away with the money and leave Joker behind while he's doing some crazy/sick Joker thing and once Joker reaches the zipline, someone or something is going to cause it to snap and the tension is going to result in it flying right into his face. Have you ever unhooked a bungee cord to fast?

[deathfromabove]

SCARS are healed.
Before a scar heals, it is a WOUND.
And I'm sorry, there is no way the appliances in the IBHDT pic and the knife pic are the same.
The right side of his lower lip just melts into his face in one, and his lips are clearly defined in the other.
I would be willing to put money on the IBHDT pic appliance proved problematic for Ledger delivering his lines. The appliance attached to his lip may have either kept coming off, due to the lip moving while delivering lines, or made it difficult for him to speak.
If the two pics show identical appliances, then we have, indeed, seen all of joker's face. The left side in one, and the right side in another.
BTW, I think the IBHDT pic is an early test, as Ledger's face is fuller and rounder than we see in the knife pic. I believe he lost weight between the taking of the two pics.

they may be different prosthetics ( the lighting and perspective make it hard to tell) but they are the same wound. if you look at the details of each they look exactly the same, just less extreme in the wss pic. this may be due to exaggerated style of the first shot or, as i and others have guessed, the wound is just more healed, less fresh. and modern appliances are almost always silicone which is much lighter and more flexible than the latex of old. they would not hinder ledger's movement in the least or come off due to said movement. these are professionals using professional tools not store bought latex appliances and spirit gum, and fx makeup has come light years since jack's perma-grin.

and did you even read the post below?

That's both a combination of lighting, makeup, and perspective (Ledger's Jaw is the foremost part of the picture).

Regardless, I think the two pictures are congruent, not contradictory. You can't see Joker's left side in the knife pic, and the perspective is so funky in the viral pic it obscurs portions of the scar which, for all we know, could just be make up.

:up:

Ewwww! I think I have an idea. Notice there is a break in footage between when they complete their ride and the next clip when the line is sagging? They're going to get away with the money and leave Joker behind while he's doing some crazy/sick Joker thing and once Joker reaches the zipline, someone or something is going to cause it to snap and the tension is going to result in it flying right into his face. Have you ever unhooked a bungee cord to fast?


hmmmmnnnn.....

[Hole Shot]

bumping cause I like this discussion and it was moved to this thread.

[ShadowoftheBird]

and did you even read the post below?



:up:

Thank you sir, sometimes I feel like I'm typing in invisible text. :woot:

All things considered, unless there is certain proof otherwise, I think Bubba's theory holds pretty well. So much of what we do know fits his ideas well and it explains some things about what happened to this incarnation of the Joker that we might not know. Naysayers can disagree with the theory and dislike the implications it makes, but so far it does fit what we do know.

[CaptainClown]

Captain Coons is a character from the film Pulp Fiction played by Christopher Walken, hence me saying I enjoyed his performance.

This watch I hid up my ass :woot:

[Orko Is King]

SCARS are healed.
Before a scar heals, it is a WOUND.
And I'm sorry, there is no way the appliances in the IBHDT pic and the knife pic are the same.
The right side of his lower lip just melts into his face in one, and his lips are clearly defined in the other.
I would be willing to put money on the IBHDT pic appliance proved problematic for Ledger delivering his lines. The appliance attached to his lip may have either kept coming off, due to the lip moving while delivering lines, or made it difficult for him to speak.
If the two pics show identical appliances, then we have, indeed, seen all of joker's face. The left side in one, and the right side in another.
BTW, I think the IBHDT pic is an early test, as Ledger's face is fuller and rounder than we see in the knife pic. I believe he lost weight between the taking of the two pics.

I think he's right. At least I hope he is.

[Boom]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the Knife and IBIHDT prosthetics look the same.

[ToddIsDead]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the Knife and IBIHDT prosthetics look the same.

Me neither. The IBIHDT prosthetic looks like a much more ragged wound. The wound in the knife picture looks like it healed much more cleanly.

[deathfromabove]

am i the only one that reads every post in a thread before responding?

for the love of kirby:cmad:

[DSET]

Me neither. The IBIHDT prosthetic looks like a much more ragged wound. The wound in the knife picture looks like it healed much more cleanly.

which suggests there may be stages
I really hope this is true will add development to the joker, he will get from bad to worse.

or the first pic was just a messy tease

[1981]

Maybe WB had them tone it down, but that wouldn't make any sense cause they were already in production. Maybe the shadowing in IBIHDT adds to it.

[CaptainClown]

well Wb could have had them tone it down if thats the picture that they sent basically to show what they were doing.

[Nepenthes]

The IBIHDT pic came from one of the first make-up TESTS they ever did. If looks a little different in the final shoot that's hardly a strange thing.

And it doesn;t necessarily imply that the scarring changes over the course of the film (though I agree, it might. just that photos we have now are useless for gleaning that)

[Mike_D202]

I think there were a few theories about this "scars":

1. The first promo pic of the joker was a pic of him after he just got the scars, hence the "freshness". Then they healed-over giving us the new scars which we saw in the new joker promo pic with him holding Rachel at knife-point.

2. The first joker promo image was just a make-up test to throw everybody off.

3. WB wanted to see everybody's reaction to the first promo pic of the joker, which led to them believing that the scars were too extreme...hence forth the toned-down look in the new promo pic.

[Luchastyle]

I think there were a few theories about this "scars":

1. The first promo pic of the joker was a pic of him after he just got the scars, hence the "freshness". Then they healed-over giving us the new scars which we saw in the new joker promo pic with him holding Rachel at knife-point.

2. The first joker promo image was just a make-up test to throw everybody off.

3. WB wanted to see everybody's reaction to the first promo pic of the joker, which led to them believing that the scars were too extreme...hence forth the toned-down look in the new promo pic.

i think the first theory makes the most sense. i don't think they would send out a make-up test. i think at some point in the movie we see some nasty lookin scars. and i for one, want to see some nasty scars in this flick.

[not_a_victim]

I think one of the fundamental problem is that people making posts here are using the word "scars" when they mean "wounds".
If we want to say the IBHDT pic is in continuity with the knife pic, then we would consider the IBHDT pic "wounds" and the knife pic "scars".
If Nolan is still going for "realism", the IBHDT pics are probably not going to be part of the movie. Any wound care at all would result in at least a closed wound, not the gaping crater we see on the left side of Ledgers face in the IBHDT pic.

[ShadowoftheBird]

Any wound care at all would result in at least a closed wound, not the gaping crater we see on the left side of Ledgers face in the IBHDT pic.

I agree.

[ShadowoftheBird]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the Knife and IBIHDT prosthetics look the same.

Different pictures, different angle, different lighting, and as was said before, possibly the IBIHDT was a make up test and a little more exagerrated. Still, I think the photos are consistent with each other, as in same location of wounding/scarring, same appearance (if not same magnitude) of wounding/scarring.

[Compi716]

Check out this picture I found:
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9161/jokerlastlaughbk03of06302jf.jpg
Really close to the TDK look, eh?

From http://agent0x7.tripod.com/joker1.html

[strikezone89]

^not to bad.

[Crook]

That looks horrible. :dry:

[Untilteld]

it does look a little weird

[DeaDheaD]

You cant always have the same Joker everytime someone writes a new arc for him, besides that one looks better than TLH one IMO.

[Bond]

That's just awful.

[Watson]

He's wearing the clothes of a 63 year old geriatric. Gross.

[Agentsands77]

What comic is that from?

[SeanZombie]

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7020/jokercardpaintingoj9.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4318/jokercardpaintingcloseutf3.jpg

The Mouth!
The Eyes!
The Hair!

O_o!!

[gwynplaine]

That's a beautiful Joker card.

[Crook]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Confused/010.gif

[He-Man]

Flame on

[DeaDheaD]

Flame on
Bwahahahahaha

[Herman Laufig]

Where did you find this ?
:dry:

[jimmy]

Joker!

[SodaPop]

cool card my friend.

[Watson]

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7020/jokercardpaintingoj9.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4318/jokercardpaintingcloseutf3.jpg

The Mouth!
The Eyes!
The Hair!

O_o!!

Gorgeous card. Where and when from if you don't mind me asking?

Looks new made to look old IMO

[ShadowoftheBird]

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7020/jokercardpaintingoj9.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4318/jokercardpaintingcloseutf3.jpg

The Mouth!
The Eyes!
The Hair!

O_o!!

Well I'll be! I've never seen a Joker card quite like this. Where did you find it?

[jimmy]

That card is freaky.

[Starbird]

Is he trying to seduce that bird :dry:

[Figs]

Cool card, but since your implying the obvious that it looks like Joker.................oh wait, Joker is supposed to look like a clown/jester type character in the first place. This could have been posted in a Joker thread.

[Herman Laufig]

It isn't a card, it's a tapestry !

[strikezone89]

wow that does look like heath.
wait look i think i see venom in his right eye.
lol

[bunk]

The image on the card does look similar to Ledger as Joker. Length of hair, black around eyes, and lipstick

[Figs]

It isn't a card, it's a tapestry !


LOL, sorry. Didn't mean to hurt the tapestry's feelings.:whatever:

[DeaDheaD]

I want those as my curtains.........

[SeanZombie]

I found it on Allposters.com

[SodaPop]

I want those as my curtains.........
even better, a bed spread.

[Herman Laufig]

LOL, sorry. Didn't mean to hurt the tapestry's feelings.:whatever:

:woot: Ha ! I was guessing...

[Figs]

:woot: Ha ! I was guessing...


Damn! So it might even be a blanket.:csad:

[Herman Laufig]

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7020/jokercardpaintingoj9.jpg



Green and purple colors moreover...

[orestes]

HIS HANDS ARE NOT WHITE!

nice pic.

[DeaDheaD]

Carpet, I want that for my carpet................my g/f hates clowns hahahahaha

[TheCaptain]

That's a sweet Joker card but the real question is...

is that a flesh-colored neck I see!?!?

[Herman Laufig]

This Joker is going to kick Nicholson's ass...