The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[donk70]

Yep. And longer.

I think this photo probably had more polishing done to it than previous ones.
Makes me think that the hair might be enhanced in post production

[Diablo101]

Makes me think that the hair might be enhanced in post production

Oh, that's for sure. I knew that was going to happend for sure. Which is why I didn't really look at those leaked pictures. None of those pictures seemed to have any post-production done to them.

Post-production on such a big-budget film does A LOT! And in this case, it just make things even look better

[Juggernaut33]

Oh, that's for sure. I knew that was going to happend for sure. Which is why I didn't really look at those leaked pictures. None of those pictures seemed to have any post-production done to them.

Post-production on such a big-budget film does A LOT! And in this case, it just make things even look better

I think you've got all that wrong. The lighting is just different but I don't think they are going to do hair extension in post-production, that will be a lot of money throw by the window, that would just be so silly. I mean, in post, you can change digitally to eyes of an actor when he looks at the camera but...wait a second, what are we talking about??? Post-production hasn't began on this film yet, they are still shooting!!!

[BatoutofHell]

You know, I'm think Joker's lines from the teaser might be in different context than we thought, assuming the WSS lines are in the film.

Heres how I imagine it;

Its the scene in which Batman is beating him up, for whatever reason. The Joker is trying to provoke and piss off Batman. Assuming "I'm a man of my word" is Dent's line, the topic gets on Dent, however it comes about. Eventually the Joker lets out his without rules bit, maybe trying to anger Batman by making them similar. After Batman has a few words, kicks him about, "And tonight you're gonna break your one rule." Batman defies it, he would never kill, angers, Joker pokes back, "Oh yes, starting tonight, people will die, 'I'm a man of my word,'" hoping to drive Batman over the edge and have him start killing people.

[DaddyGrayson]

I think you've got all that wrong. The lighting is just different but I don't think they are going to do hair extension in post-production, that will be a lot of money throw by the window, that would just be so silly. I mean, in post, you can change digitally to eyes of an actor when he looks at the camera but...wait a second, what are we talking about??? Post-production hasn't began on this film yet, they are still shooting!!!

I believe he's talking about the colors. i.e. His hair looks way more green in these pics than the leaked ones. I don't think that he is suggesting they lengthened his hair in post-production.

[Diablo101]

I think you've got all that wrong. The lighting is just different but I don't think they are going to do hair extension in post-production, that will be a lot of money throw by the window, that would just be so silly. I mean, in post, you can change digitally to eyes of an actor when he looks at the camera but...wait a second, what are we talking about??? Post-production hasn't began on this film yet, they are still shooting!!!

I was talking more about the color than the length. I think the length just matters on the angle you look at.

The color however, can be altered.

And I feel like this pic may have gone through some polishing, mainly becuase it just looks polished compared to all the other pictures. I mean, compare this pic to a "leak" picture. There is an obvious difference in the quality of the two.

[Batman>all]

Perfect Joker!

He is talking to Batman I bet! "Tonight you're going to break your one rule" ahhh

[xisaacx]

they should turn rachel dawes into harley quinn...towards the end of the movie after the joker is done with her, maggie could def pull it off

[Nepenthes]

the photo has been coloured corrected. that is all. and this nonsesne about "fixing the hair in post" is absurd


You know, I'm think Joker's lines from the teaser might be in different context than we thought, assuming the WSS lines are in the film.

Heres how I imagine it;

Its the scene in which Batman is beating him up, for whatever reason. The Joker is trying to provoke and piss off Batman. Assuming "I'm a man of my word" is Dent's line, the topic gets on Dent, however it comes about. Eventually the Joker lets out his without rules bit, maybe trying to anger Batman by making them similar. After Batman has a few words, kicks him about, "And tonight you're gonna break your one rule." Batman defies it, he would never kill, angers, Joker pokes back, "Oh yes, starting tonight, people will die, 'I'm a man of my word,'" hoping to drive Batman over the edge and have him start killing people.

i like this idea

[kra]

It seems that the two lines fit together. Like its a speech he is giving Batman.

Batman says that he will never kill and then Joker tells him That the only sensible way to live in this world is without rules....tonight you will break your one rule.

[Mr. Superhero]

I think it's most definitely got something to do with Joker knowing that Batman doesn't kill.

Some interesting theories.

[The Sage]

Best picture so far. Though that's not saying much. Hopefully the next one will feature the grin.

[Luchastyle]

i cant believe how f-ckin cool he looks in that picture. this joker is the sh-t =D

[The Squirrel]

N00B question here.

Where did the "Tonight you will break your one rule" come from?

I haven't seen that on any of the sites.

[Luchastyle]

when u click the x-acto knife, when it burns to the picture, it says the line. have ur speakers on

[The Squirrel]

when u click the x-acto knife, when it burns to the picture, it says the line. have ur speakers on

Thanks.

[KILLING JOKER]

The new pic really brings to mind the original Joker from Batman #1. I agree that this is the best picture yet. With that voice clip and everything I'm starting to believe what Michael caine has been saying. This Joker is going to be truly scary in a very twisted way. So cool.

[gwynplaine]

It already feels like a repeat of B89 where the Joker completely stole the show from Batman. I wonder if history will repeat itself. Anyway, the voice, the hair, the picture, this is too good to be true.

[CaptainClown]

I think Joker is going to steal the show but not intentionally like 89, people are just going to go OMG he is amazing

[KILLING JOKER]

He's already stealing it....It's like Batman who?

[Luchastyle]

yeah i agree with both of you guys. just like 2 lines we've heard, pictures, everything. he is perfect. to hell with all the naysayers. their numbers are dwindling nowadays.

[KILLING JOKER]

I loved Nicholson in 89 but I remember thinking the same thing over and over. They should've kept him creepy like "Wait till they get a load of me."

[JackBauer24]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/joker2.jpghttp://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/joker1.jpg

That is quite uncanny.

[Yurka]

Indeed, its nearly perfect

[Luchastyle]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/joker2.jpghttp://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/joker1.jpg

That is quite uncanny.
f-ck yeah it is. he IS THE JOKER

[CaptainClown]

I think he looks more like TDKR joker, but it doesn't matter that picture is amazing

[KILLING JOKER]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/joker2.jpghttp://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/joker1.jpg

That is quite uncanny.

yes! Thanks for the comparison pics. I knew it was close but damn!!! Bless you Nolan and team.

[gwynplaine]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/joker2.jpghttp://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/joker1.jpg

That is quite uncanny.
That was always one of my favorite drawing of the Joker. A fantastic expression that Jack couldn't really achieve with the limitations of his (now archaic) perma smile make-up. I always thought he looked like a young Christopher Lee in that drawing, and sure enough that is exactly who Heath reminds me of in the new fantastic picture.

[TheBat812]

when u click the x-acto knife, when it burns to the picture, it says the line. have ur speakers on
Why am I still not hearing it?

[Micah12345]

actually this picture reminds me alot of frank miller's joker too

[Luchastyle]

Why am I still not hearing it?
i dont know. but there's a link to it somewhere around here.

[KILLING JOKER]

actually this picture reminds me alot of frank miller's joker too

I'm not really seeing that.

[CaptainClown]

actually this picture reminds me alot of frank miller's joker too

ya i feel the same way, I have TDKR joker next to me and looks uncanny

[MJZ]

Great pic.

[Luchastyle]

ya i feel the same way, I have TDKR joker next to me and looks uncanny
tdkr joker makes similar emotionless expressions

[TheBat812]

i dont know. but there's a link to it somewhere around here.
nvm, it finally worked. Scary ass voice. But it kicks so much ass!

[Luchastyle]

definitely 812, definitely.

[gwynplaine]

Saw Candy this week end and I really admire Heath Ledger's versality. This guy is a f*****g chameleon. A bit like Johnny Depp, a character actor in the skin of a leading man. Coming from Roar and A knight's tale who would have thunk. He could have been like an Orlando Bloom but he completely turned his career around with Brokeback. Nolan is truly a master at casting his films.

[sasquatchs]

That was always one of my favorite drawing of the Joker. A fantastic expression that Jack couldn't really achieve with the limitations of his (now archaic) perma smile make-up. I always thought he looked like a young Christopher Lee in that drawing, and sure enough that is exactly who Heath reminds me of in the new fantastic picture.

Yup. Have the creators ever mentioned being influenced by Sherlock Holmes? Alot of the Batman #1 frames remind me of Sidney Paget's drawings

[gwynplaine]

Yup. Have the creators ever mentioned being influenced by Sherlock Holmes? Alot of the frames remind me of Sidney Paget's drawings
Interesting, like an evil version of Sherlock Holmes.

[Kargo Warrior]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/joker2.jpghttp://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/joker1.jpg

That is quite uncanny.

Awesome....Wicked cool!! :woot: :woot: :woot:

[Luchastyle]

Saw Candy this week end and I really admire Heath Ledger's versality. This guy is a f*****g chameleon. A bit like Johnny Depp, a character actor in the skin of a leading man. Coming from Roar and A knight's tale who would have thunk. He could have been like an Orlando Bloom but he completely turned his career around with Brokeback. Nolan is truly a master at casting his films.
he is going to be legendary if he keeps picking good roles.

[Keyser Soze]

Isn't this nice? A picture is released, and (almost) all of us love it, and are just sharing our excitement. This must be the first Joker pic released that hasn't stirred up controversy. :oldrazz:

[gwynplaine]

he is going to be legendary if he keeps picking good roles.
Agreed. Do you know or anyone else, if he lobbied for the part or if he was sought after by Nolan (maybe after his oscar nomination) ?

[Luchastyle]

well sh-t. what is there to say about this? it looks like the joker. the hair is super green. and it looks like his skin is actually white. all we need is a couple guys saying "panda eyes panda eyes" like the douchebags that they are to ruin it all. but screw those guys. this is great stuff =D

[Luchastyle]

Agreed. Do you know or anyone else, if he lobbied for the part or if he was sought after by Nolan (maybe after his oscar nomination) ?
as far as i know it was nolan's idea. i don't think heath ever considered doing a comic book movie. im sure someone gave him the script and it blew his mind. that's the impression that i get.

[gwynplaine]

well sh-t. what is there to say about this? it looks like the joker. the hair is super green. and it looks like his skin is actually white. all we need is a couple guys saying "panda eyes panda eyes" like the douchebags that they are to ruin it all. but screw those guys. this is great stuff =D
Everybody is entitled to their opinion but screw those guys.

[Luchastyle]

Everybody is entitled to their opinion but screw those guys.
exactly =D i shan't be civil on this matter.

[Keyser Soze]

as far as i know it was nolan's idea. i don't think heath ever considered doing a comic book movie. im sure someone gave him the script and it blew his mind. that's the impression that i get.

Didn't Nolan say at one point that he wasn't sure about Ledger as Joker, but Ledger convinced him he could pull it off? Wouldn't that suggest Ledger did the pursuing?

[Luchastyle]

Didn't Nolan say at one point that he wasn't sure about Ledger as Joker, but Ledger convinced him he could pull it off? Wouldn't that suggest Ledger did the pursuing?
i don't know. the only quote i remember from nolan about him was: why ledger as the joker? "because he's fearless."

[gwynplaine]

i don't know. the only quote i remember from nolan about him was: why ledger as the joker? "because he's fearless."
Yeah, I remember that too. I don't remember Nolan doubting the Ledger though.

[stonecold]

Heath IS the Joker to me and my friends. I think he's going to be massive in this, if not supernova. beautiful, inspired casting of a dark star. That look is just classic Joker..completely malevolent, utterly remorseless, fearsome, clever, cold, blank, insane, mass murdering, cop-killing anarchist demon jester.. but also playful, sort of tragic, lonely, distant, that look in his eyes.. the new photo, the foxnew video.. i just see pure uncut JOKER, at last. i respect them for taking these risks with our beloved character - to get Joker back to this classic form. It meant moving away from a slightly clich'ed, wretchy old Joker into something fresh, younger, intense, more dangerous. i love it. I can see ALL my favorite Jokers here.. Arkham asylum, DKR, TKJ

i think Nolan wanted Ledger after Brokeback Mountain and Candy... cos he just rocks in those films. he's young, volatile and moody, but likable, a bit of an unknown quantity even still.. he's exciting because he's an unpredictable, mega-talented actor, physically edgy & changable, fearless, and people still don't know what he's capable of. After quite a few average films he's finally taking his own path . IMO He's perfect for Joker in a very subtle, powerful way.

His Joker voice... u can listen to it on loop..every word seems like its attacked differently... snarling, contemptuous, superior, baiting raspy dark intelligence. cant...****ing...wait.

[gwynplaine]

Heath IS the Joker to me and my friends. I think he's going to be massive in this, if not supernova. beautiful, inspired casting of a dark star. That look is just classic Joker..completely malevolent, utterly remorseless, fearsome, clever, cold, blank, insane, mass murdering, cop-killing anarchist demon jester.. but also .. playful, sort of tragic, lonely, distant, that look in his eyes.. the newphoto, the foxnew video.. i just see pure uncut JOKER, at last. i respect them for taking these risks with out beloved character - to get Joker back to this classic form. It meant moving away from a slightly clich'ed, wretchy old Joker into something fresh, younger, intense, more dangerous. i love it. I can see ALL my favorite Jokers here.. Arkham asylum, DKR, TKJ

i think Nolan wanted Ledger after Brokeback Mountain and Candy... cos he just rocks in those films. he's young, volatile and moody, but likable, a bit of an unknown quantity even still.. he's exciting because he's an unpredictable, mega-talented actor, physically edgy, fearless, and people still don't know what he's capable of. After quite a few average films he's finally taking his own path . IMO He's perfect for Joker in a very subtle, powerful way.
Well said.

[DaddyGrayson]

I remember an OLD, OLD interview with Heath that said he wanted to work with Nolan after he saw Batman Begins. And if I'm not mistaken, he and a bunch of other actors auditioned, and it was Heath that won them over with his audition. I don't think Nolan ever doubted him, though.

[Luchastyle]

very well put stonecold. i completely agree. i think this is going to be an iconic portrayal of the most iconic villain ever created. crew members had said "after this movie comes out, this will be the definitive portrayal of the joker" and they may be right.

[gwynplaine]

very well put stonecold. i completely agree. i think this is going to be an iconic portrayal of the most iconic villain ever created. crew members had said "after this movie comes out, this will be the definitive portrayal of the joker" and they may be write.
Yes and I also very much liked Sir Michael Caine's two cents.

[NoName86]

Yea he is a great actor, a great actor with a history of just choosing roles that did more harm than good, but even in the bad movies he was still a great actor. People questioned his acting abilities because of the roles he took in the past, and what is that to decide by? He still did a great job in movies like A Knight's Tale. I honestly didn't doubt him since day 1 when they announced it, I was actually quite confident of it and always have been. Seems I was right about beliving he could slam the role, he'll do a good job.

[sasquatchs]

Well I love how the image seems to show a more cold and calculating side to the Joker, it'll be great just to have some quieter moments with him as well as the physical madness. I hope there's time for that kind of stuff

[Luchastyle]

Yea he is a great actor, a great actor with a history of just choosing roles that did more harm than good, but even in the bad movies he was still a great actor. People questioned his acting abilities because of the roles he took in the past, and what is that to decide by? He still did a great job in movies like A Knight's Tale. I honestly didn't doubt him since day 1 when they announced it, I was actually quite confident of it and always have been. Seems I was right about beliving he could slam the role, he'll do a good job.
me too. i had no one in mind for the joker, i was just curious who it would be. and then they said heath ledger. and i just thought "hmm...i could see that." and whenever i told anybody they didnt say "psshh. ledger?" they all just thought the same thing. "hmm...interesting.." he is clearly a GREAT choice.

[Bat-Mite]

well sh-t. what is there to say about this? it looks like the joker. the hair is super green. and it looks like his skin is actually white. all we need is a couple guys saying "panda eyes panda eyes" like the douchebags that they are to ruin it all. but screw those guys. this is great stuff =DWell, I say f--- them! That's the kind of look that Joker had in Batman 1. Sure, the rings around his eyes might not have been solid black, but they still looked like that. And Mark Hamill's Joker (the definitive Joker, IMO) had black around his eyes in TAS. It looked great on the animated Joker and it looks great on Heath, so to hell with anyone that *****es about it. lol.

[Luchastyle]

Well, I say f--- them! That's the kind of look that Joker had in Batman 1. Sure, the rings around his eyes might not have been solid black, but they still looked like that. And Mark Hamill's Joker (the definitive Joker, IMO) had black around his eyes in TAS. It looked great on the animated Joker and it looks great on Heath, so to hell with anyone that *****es about it. lol.
right u r my bat-mite friend. right you are.

[the_ultimate_evil]

i love the maturity of some posters, both for and against the joker design. there's no give and take its childish.

[gwynplaine]

Well I love how the image seems to show a more cold and calculating side to the Joker, it'll be great just to have some quieter moments with him as well as the physical madness. I hope there's time for that kind of stuff
Agreed. Those quiet moments are hard to pull off for an actor cause you need to be truly inhabited, almost possessed by the character. That's what I get from that picture.

[GoogleMe94]

New Joker pic for THE DARK KNIGHT
http://i14.tinypic.com/4vit5pc.jpg
http://www.whysoserious.com/



ok, you all know that i am burton/nicholson fanatic, but i gotta admit, this is sooo freakin awsome lookin. really creepy. now i cant tell whther he is just wearing makeup or not. im leaning on that he it is makeup, but he nontheless looks sinister. this is gonna be such a different joker then we are used too. hope he has a good laugh scene, like jack did, just goin insane with laughter. i like the long hair, its very today, and reminds me of "the batman" joker from TV. and the black around the eyes reminds me of something burton would probably do, like with penguin. does the guy driving work with joker?

[StylishHokie21]

I can't tell if there's make-up either. Heath looks creepy.

[Figs]

ok, you all know that i am burton/nicholson fanatic, but i gotta admit, this is sooo freakin awsome lookin. really creepy. now i cant tell whther he is just wearing makeup or not. im leaning on that he it is makeup, but he nontheless looks sinister. this is gonna be such a different joker then we are used too. hope he has a good laugh scene, like jack did, just goin insane with laughter. i like the long hair, its very today, and reminds me of "the batman" joker from TV. and the black around the eyes reminds me of something burton would probably do, like with penguin. does the guy driving work with joker?


Whoa! I can't believe this pic got you a little more on the positive side for this film GoogleMe94. Aren't you one of the ones that have been trashing this film in the past?

[Mr. Socko]

OMG WTF IS GOING ON!?!?!?!


GoogleMe gives good feedback to a Chris Nolan movie :wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

ok, you all know that i am burton/nicholson fanatic, but i gotta admit, this is sooo freakin awsome lookin. really creepy. now i cant tell whther he is just wearing makeup or not. im leaning on that he it is makeup, but he nontheless looks sinister. this is gonna be such a different joker then we are used too. hope he has a good laugh scene, like jack did, just goin insane with laughter. i like the long hair, its very today, and reminds me of "the batman" joker from TV. and the black around the eyes reminds me of something burton would probably do, like with penguin. does the guy driving work with joker?

Holy ****!

[Jekyll Faygo]

Can any of you guys tell me what this business about a 'pink nurses dress' is all about?

I thought I was on top of everything TDK related.

[Luchastyle]

well faygo, the pink nurse's outfit comes from a set report from the hospital explosion. apparently the joker was seen walking away from the exploding building wearing an old school nurse's dress. and it was pink.

[gwynplaine]

Can any of you guys tell me what this business about a 'pink nurses dress' is all about?

I thought I was on top of everything TDK related.
It's been rumoured that the Joker dresses up as a female nurse before blowing up the hospital.

[TheCaptain]

Does anyone think the line, "Anyone can wear a mask on Halloween. It's what they skin off your face the rest of the year that really slays an audience." or whatever means anything??

[Luchastyle]

Does anyone think the line, "Anyone can wear a mask on Halloween. It's what they skin off your face the rest of the year that really slays an audience." or whatever means anything??
i'm sure a lot of people think it means nothing more than the fact that he wants you to paint up AFTER halloween. but i'm sure a lot of people think it has to do with him NOT wearing make-up.

[Jekyll Faygo]

It's been rumoured that the Joker dresses up as a female nurse before blowing up the hospital.

Sweet Jesus, this thing has gotta be pushing the PG-13 barrier with "Frightening Images" alone.

[TheCaptain]

Yeah, I think this movie will really push what can be shown in a PG-13 movie.

[Jekyll Faygo]

However, it still impresses me that the MPAA allowed a PG-13 for "The Ring"

I had nightmares over that for a good couple weeks back in 2002, and i was 22.

[TheCaptain]

Yeah that's what gives me a good feeling about this movie, everything those PG-13 horror films can get away with.

[Jekyll Faygo]

It would be nice for Warner Brothers to allow Nolan to shoot freely in preparation for an unrated Director's Cut but I just don't see that type of thing happening with this franchise. It's a shame, some of the best Batman Graphic Novels casually explore some pretty extreme themes.

[Citadel30]

i just love those eyes... they look so sinister and creepy. Heath said his eyes, not the smile, would define the character and according to this last pict, he is right.

[gwynplaine]

The Joker should give nightmares to kids, it's good for them, it's cathartic and help them grow up. Every fairytale villain, witch, wolf, ogre is f******g scary and that's perfectly alright.

[gwynplaine]

i just love those eyes... they look so sinister and creepy. Heath said his eyes, not the smile, would define the character and according to this last pict, he is right.
Yeah, I forgot about that but you're right.

[Jekyll Faygo]

i just love those eyes... they look so sinister and creepy. Heath said his eyes, not the smile, would define the character and according to this last pict, he is right.


"Not far away sits a man. ..A man with a changeless, mask-like face but for the eyes, burning, hate-filled eyes!"

Batman #1, Spring, 1940

[Thy_Joker]

You know, ever since I saw the new photo. The first thing I thought of was, Edward Scissorhands. :wow: Not kidding. I don't know what it is, but it remind of of him. I actually think it's terrific looking!! You judge for yourself. But that's what I think, and it makes me happy. But the entire thing is no words can describe.


http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/rorydeathkiss.jpg
http://www.kroaibo.no/UserFiles/Image/film/EdwardScissorhands.jpg

[BatJeff7786]

Yeah, I think this movie will really push what can be shown in a PG-13 movie.

I doubt it will be TOO violent. You can get away with a lot based on suspense alone.

[Citadel30]

"Not far away sits a man. ..A man with a changeless, mask-like face but for the eyes, burning, hate-filled eyes!"

Batman #1, Spring, 1940

imagine that face except staring right at you with those eyes wide open. freakin crazy!!!

[El Payaso]

You know, ever since I saw the new photo. The first thing I thought of was, Edward Scissorhands. :wow: Not kidding. I don't know what it is, but it remind of of him. I actually think it's terrific looking!! You judge for yourself. But that's what I think, and it makes me happy. But the entire thing is no words can describe.


http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/rorydeathkiss.jpg
http://www.kroaibo.no/UserFiles/Image/film/EdwardScissorhands.jpg

:wow: :wow: :wow:

Man, I said it once and I say it again: Ledger/Nolan's Joker is more Burtonian that Burton'/Nicholson's Joker.

[StylishHokie21]

:wow: :wow: :wow:

Man, I said it once and I say it again: Ledger/Nolan's Joker is more Burtonian that Burton'/Nicholson's Joker.

Haha! I think you're right.

[Jekyll Faygo]

You know, ever since I saw the new photo. The first thing I thought of was, Edward Scissorhands. :wow: Not kidding. I don't know what it is, but it remind of of him. I actually think it's terrific looking!! You judge for yourself. But that's what I think, and it makes me happy. But the entire thing is no words can describe.


http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/rorydeathkiss.jpg
http://www.kroaibo.no/UserFiles/Image/film/EdwardScissorhands.jpg


I just love how....aged......the make-up looks. This Joker just wears a face of such unsettling apathy that I could almost forgive face-paint.

[Thy_Joker]

:wow: :wow: :wow:

Man, I said it once and I say it again: Ledger/Nolan's Joker is more Burtonian that Burton'/Nicholson's Joker.I knew it. Which I think is great. But now, once I watch Joker and if he looks like that in most of the scenes. Then when I watch Edward Scissorhands I'll think of Joker. Also vice versa. :ninja:

[Jekyll Faygo]

I wonder if Ledger is basing the character off of anyone i.e. Johnny Depp/Kieth Richards.

I detect some Alex DeLarge and would love to see the Sid Vicious that Bale hinted at.

[Nirvana]

You know, ever since I saw the new photo. The first thing I thought of was, Edward Scissorhands. :wow: Not kidding. I don't know what it is, but it remind of of him. I actually think it's terrific looking!! You judge for yourself. But that's what I think, and it makes me happy. But the entire thing is no words can describe.


http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/rorydeathkiss.jpg
http://www.kroaibo.no/UserFiles/Image/film/EdwardScissorhands.jpg


I thought Jogsaw's puppet Billy, but thats a good one, too.

[Jekyll Faygo]

And I'm loving the hell out of Jokers whiskey-laced/tom waits growl.

[Wedge A.]

He does sound like Tom Waits a bit. It would be awesome if in the movie, the Joker just drops a "What's he BUILDING in there?!"

[Jekyll Faygo]

He does sound like Tom Waits a bit. It would be awesome if in the movie, the Joker just drops a "What's he BUILDING in there?!"


Or if "Bone Machine" was the entire soundtrack.

:oldrazz:

[ab38416]

Heath IS the Joker to me and my friends. I think he's going to be massive in this, if not supernova. beautiful, inspired casting of a dark star. That look is just classic Joker..completely malevolent, utterly remorseless, fearsome, clever, cold, blank, insane, mass murdering, cop-killing anarchist demon jester.. but also playful, sort of tragic, lonely, distant, that look in his eyes.. the new photo, the foxnew video.. i just see pure uncut JOKER, at last. i respect them for taking these risks with our beloved character - to get Joker back to this classic form. It meant moving away from a slightly clich'ed, wretchy old Joker into something fresh, younger, intense, more dangerous. i love it. I can see ALL my favorite Jokers here.. Arkham asylum, DKR, TKJ

i think Nolan wanted Ledger after Brokeback Mountain and Candy... cos he just rocks in those films. he's young, volatile and moody, but likable, a bit of an unknown quantity even still.. he's exciting because he's an unpredictable, mega-talented actor, physically edgy & changable, fearless, and people still don't know what he's capable of. After quite a few average films he's finally taking his own path . IMO He's perfect for Joker in a very subtle, powerful way.

His Joker voice... u can listen to it on loop..every word seems like its attacked differently... snarling, contemptuous, superior, baiting raspy dark intelligence. cant...****ing...wait.

Indeed. Heath is brilliant.

[boywondernerdDC]

that is such an amazing line..it's insane, i wish we could have gotten more but i am so happy with that. i cant wait to see what comes after rory's death kiss

[hegele]

you guys have probably mentioned this a LOONG time ago but i just read it.

Anyone think its ironic that Heath Ledger's first credit on screen in "Clowning Around"?

[Freakjokerxxx]

I wonder if Ledger is basing the character off of anyone i.e. Johnny Depp/Kieth Richards.

I detect some Alex DeLarge and would love to see the Sid Vicious that Bale hinted at.


I remember reading an interview saying that Heath's Joker would have a very "Clockwork Orange" style.

[Carnotaur3]

that is such an amazing line..it's insane, i wish we could have gotten more but i am so happy with that. i cant wait to see what comes after rory's death kiss

It's crazy, he's probably talking to Batman who is seriously thinking of killing him.

"And tonight you're going to break your one rule!"

[gwynplaine]

you guys have probably mentioned this a LOONG time ago but i just read it.

Anyone think its ironic that Heath Ledger's first credit on screen in "Clowning Around"?
I didn't know that, cool trivia. Is your avvy Jean Seberg in Godard's Breathless ?

[Mr. Socko]

Johnny Depp based Capt Jack Sparrow off of Keith Richards because he's a big fan of Richards and Sparrow was a non-existent character made famous by Depp.

If you're "wonder if Ledger is basing the character off of anyone," my guess would be that it's the character from Batman comics called the Joker who's been around for close to 70 years.

[LastSunrise1981]

I just listened to the sound clip and wow. It caught me off guard as Heath sounds downright terrifying and insane. It doesn't even sound like him and that's what makes it creepy.

It just seems to me as if Heath really disappears into this role and becomes The Joker. :up: :up:

[gwynplaine]

Johnny Depp actually said that he based Jack Sparrow off of Keith Richards and Pepe le phew, as for Ledger's Joker, I only heard Alex in A clockwork Orange and that is enough for me.

[CinematicESP]

I love it. I can really start to see how the punk rock/anarchist/Alex de Large influence is absolutely perfect. It's probably just like how a character like the Joker would be in real life, which is of course in keeping with Nolan's real take on the Batman universe.

My guess about the line "Tonight you're gonna break your only rule..." is that he's talking to Batman, maybe taunting him about his only rule of not killing. It sounds like he's maybe mocking Bale's low, gravely voice in the clip. Thoughts?

[ab38416]

That's exactly what I thought. He's impersonating Batman's voice and referring to his code I think.

[gwynplaine]

I love it. I can really start to see how the punk rock/anarchist/Alex de Large influence is absolutely perfect. It's probably just like how a character like the Joker would be in real life, which is of course in keeping with Nolan's real take on the Batman universe.

My guess about the line "Tonight you're gonna break your only rule..." is that he's talking to Batman, maybe taunting him about his only rule of not killing. It sounds like he's maybe mocking Bale's low, gravely voice in the clip. Thoughts?
People said he was mocking Dent with "I'm a man of my word", so why not.

[Shoemeister]

People said he was mocking Dent with "I'm a man of my word", so why not.

I think it's safe to say he was.

[L.A.]

here's my poor attempt as the Joker:O
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/Jinxtr12/100_0321-1.jpg

[DSET]

You know, ever since I saw the new photo. The first thing I thought of was, Edward Scissorhands. :wow: Not kidding. I don't know what it is, but it remind of of him. I actually think it's terrific looking!! You judge for yourself. But that's what I think, and it makes me happy. But the entire thing is no words can describe.


http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/rorydeathkiss.jpg
http://www.kroaibo.no/UserFiles/Image/film/EdwardScissorhands.jpg
i think he looks more like the Crow

not saying thats a bad thing tho both look great

i like the pic were hes holding a knife best tho, looks more toned down there

[DSET]

I think it's safe to say he was.

agreed

Otherwise there wouldn’t be such a big descrepency between the two voices.

[CaptainClown]

I just listened to the sound clip and wow. It caught me off guard as Heath sounds downright terrifying and insane. It doesn't even sound like him and that's what makes it creepy.

It just seems to me as if Heath really disappears into this role and becomes The Joker. :up: :up:

ya, honestly heath disappeared and what is there is The Joker

[b. goose]

i think he looks more like the Crow

not saying thats a bad thing tho both look great

i like the pic were hes holding a knife best tho, looks more toned down there

thats what i first thought when i saw the pic. he looks exactly like brandon lee in the crow (personal favorite). especially the eyes.

i believe that is edward scissor hands u got there hehe

http://www.gothic.com.ua/ukrrus/about/images/gothic/Brandon_Lee_in_The_Crow.jpg

[CaptainClown]

http://www.dynamicforces.com/images/DNjokerAF.jpg

thats who he reminds me of

[Luchastyle]

http://www.lonelygods.com/graphics/h/joker_darling.gif
could probably manip that into a good ledger joker

[Nepenthes]

yeah, I hope he says 'darling' at some point in the movie :joker:

[CaptainClown]

oh ya me too. I would want to see him giving out cotton candy to boyscouts also I would be so happy

[ronny]

Oh yeah, the massacre of the boyscouts. You know, the more I think about that the more I wonder just how Miller got away with including it in his comic. But I can just imagine The Joker when he steals that school bus. He'll probably start a sing-a-long.

[CaptainClown]

like in dirty harry, the main villain steals a bus filled with children and tells them to sing a song, one of them says he wants to go home so the villain hits him and screams in his face "SING SING"

[Luchastyle]

i think joker would shoot a kid...but that's frowned upon by the MPAA

[dark_b]

i think in this new pic the black paint around the eyes is mroe blury. which is better IMO.

[Darkness Falls]

New Joker pic for THE DARK KNIGHT
http://i14.tinypic.com/4vit5pc.jpg
http://www.whysoserious.com/

i would just like to say how badass this new pic of heath is
very creepy even by hardly doing anything
the eyes r cold as ice

and the face looks less like makeup imo
and it may just be me but his smile is a darker red

and his voice on the site freaked me out

go heath
you are the joker :woot:

[batmanbeginsboy]

wut the hell is that next to his mouth

[batmanbeginsboy]

cuz i wanna say its a finger but it has an odd shape to it

[ronny]

It is a finger, he's clapping or tenting his fingers.

[Gianakin_]

It seems to me he's holdin a finger with his 3 ingertips, barely visible behind the seat. And I'm saying it's another man's finger.

[Carmine Falcone]

After TDK, Heat Ledger's image will be taken down from a whole lot of bedroom walls. **** me, he looks demented.

[Art Damage]

It's weird, both sounds clips we've heard of the Joker sound very different from each other. I love this picture though..I got a feeling this is him being driven to the party or get together where he holds the knife up to Rachael's face.

I bet we get a new picture and sound bite of the Joker after every game is completed.

[wikum]

I can't get over the voice.....it's so weird...and I mean a good weird.

How did the comics describe The Jokers voice? Toneless cry or something like that?

He looks and sounds like a corpse. Nolan did his research.

[Mikesimus]

I love it. I can really start to see how the punk rock/anarchist/Alex de Large influence is absolutely perfect. It's probably just like how a character like the Joker would be in real life, which is of course in keeping with Nolan's real take on the Batman universe.

My guess about the line "Tonight you're gonna break your only rule..." is that he's talking to Batman, maybe taunting him about his only rule of not killing. It sounds like he's maybe mocking Bale's low, gravely voice in the clip. Thoughts?

I like this idea, I have an image in my head of Batman holding The Joker by the throat against a wall or something, hence his voice sounding a little deeper than the teaser trailer. Very cool, I am loving this viral marketing, i think its awesome, especially coming at a time when filming news etc is very rare at the minute.

[Darkness Falls]

I like this idea, I have an image in my head of Batman holding The Joker by the throat against a wall or something, hence his voice sounding a little deeper than the teaser trailer.


that's exactly what i was thinking aswell

[TheBat812]

So, I'm trippin on shrooms right now, and looking at that picture was terrifying. I'm so glad Nolan went the way he did.

[Jkr]

I like this idea, I have an image in my head of Batman holding The Joker by the throat against a wall or something, hence his voice sounding a little deeper than the teaser trailer. Very cool, I am loving this viral marketing, i think its awesome, especially coming at a time when filming news etc is very rare at the minute.

:up: Bats trying to kill Joker and Joker making cracks. I like it.

[wikum]

So, I'm trippin on shrooms right now, and looking at that picture was terrifying. I'm so glad Nolan went the way he did.

lol

[Darkness Falls]

i don't know if anyone else had said this
but at the end of the "own rule" line


there is the start of his laugh
or maybe i'm hearing things

[Nepenthes]

So, I'm trippin on shrooms right now, and looking at that picture was terrifying. I'm so glad Nolan went the way he did.

:whatever::o

you obviously didn't eat enough

[Mikesimus]

So, I'm trippin on shrooms right now, and looking at that picture was terrifying. I'm so glad Nolan went the way he did.

LOL, you must have got the first view of what the Joker looks like, under the influence of fear toxin lol

[El Payaso]

yeah, I hope he says 'darling' at some point in the movie :joker:

LOL, you read my mind.

[Jkr]

Try a bit of weaponized hallucinogens. :cwink: That's a trip you'll never come back from.

[Darknightnomis]

Wow...just.... WOW! :wow:

I had to get away yesterday and haven't seen all this but....wow!

The pic...the audio file....

Man, he looks creepy as hell!

I'm blown away! I take it he's going to try and ge Bts to kill!

[Gianakin_]

Others have guessed that he says that when Batman grabs him by the throat or sth, and he implies that he'll force Batman to kill. I agree with that guess. He sounds... deadly.

[ronny]

You know, I hope in one of the films that follows TDK that The Joker wears the white and purple suit from The Dark Knight Returns. Anyone else think it looks really classy? Not the homosexual subtext of the character. Just thhe suit.

[Darknightnomis]

Others have guessed that he says that when Batman grabs him by the throat or sth, and he implies that he'll force Batman to kill. I agree with that guess. He sounds... deadly.

Maybe Bats grabs Joker by the throat after the Joker kills Rachael .

[Juggernaut33]

You know, I hope in one of the films that follows TDK that The Joker wears the white and purple suit from The Dark Knight Returns.

What makes you think that The Joker will survive in TDK?

[Jkr]

Maybe Bats grabs Joker by the throat after the Joker kills Rachael .

That's what I'm hoping to see. Especially that window scene. :woot:

[ronny]

Because he's such a good villain that to kill him off would be folly. I mean, I assume he gets nabbed at the end of TDK right? Well, in film 3 wouldn't it be great to see him at his trial? Because, I'm betting that whilst he's locked up he bleaches himself. So even when he's in prison the spotlight of Gotham is pointed squarely at him. But the main point is that I don't believe he'll die. batman doesn't kill and Nolan would possibly like to avoid the cliche which says that every villain needs to be killed off at the end of each movie. He's a powerful figure in Batman lore, even when he's behind bars he holds a special place in the mind of the audience. Christopher Nolan may not want to sacrifice that.

[Gianakin_]

What makes you think that The Joker will survive in TDK?

Considering Nolan and Goyer have stated tat their biggest gripe with the previus films was that they killed off the villains, I'd bet he'll survive. That, plus the fact that in BB they all lived and Ghul's death is shown, but is left ambiguous enough for someone who knows the comics.

[Jkr]

I think he'll have an ending similar to Scarecrow's. Basicly he causes a huge riot, burns Gotham, huge battle between him and Bats, Rachel dies and Joker takes off nowhere to be found. Next movie: Scarecrow and Joker are on the loose. Bats is after them. Enter Two-Face.

[LexCorp]

Because he's such a good villain that to kill him off would be folly. I mean, I assume he gets nabbed at the end of TDK right? Well, in film 3 wouldn't it be great to see him at his trial? Because, I'm betting that whilst he's locked up he bleaches himself. So even when he's in prison the spotlight of Gotham is pointed squarely at him. But the main point is that I don't believe he'll die. batman doesn't kill and Nolan would possibly like to avoid the cliche which says that every villain needs to be killed off at the end of each movie. He's a powerful figure in Batman lore, even when he's behind bars he holds a special place in the mind of the audience. Christopher Nolan may not want to sacrifice that.

Indeed he needs to be kept going.

[Darknightnomis]

That's what I'm hoping to see. Especially that window scene. :woot:

Actaully I hope Bats do go off on Joker ala the "hush" storyline in his comic some years ago after he thought he killed his childhood friend.

The only way Batman was stoppped was when Commicsioner Gordan came up on the scen and tried to talk Batman out of killing the Joker and told him tht if he cross that line then he'll lead the charge in capturing batman.

That would be nice to see on screen.

http://x-worldcomics.com/yourvirtualstore/images/content/batman614.jpg

[Jkr]

Actaully I hope Bats do go off on Joker ala the "hush" storyline in his comic some years ago after he thought he killed his childhood friend.

The only way Batman was stoppped was when Commicsioner Gordan came up on the scen and tried to talk Batman out of killing the Joker and told him tht if he cross that line then he'll lead the charge in capturing batman.

That would be nice to see on screen.

http://x-worldcomics.com/yourvirtualstore/images/content/batman614.jpg

Oh yeah! That would rock!

Wonder if anyone has made a fan film of that comic yet...if not I will :woot:

.....try. :dry:

[GoogleMe94]

Whoa! I can't believe this pic got you a little more on the positive side for this film GoogleMe94. Aren't you one of the ones that have been trashing this film in the past?

no, i have NOT been ragging on TDK, just BB mainly, y'all know i got some issues with it. but ever since that pic of the new suit, and the batpod, ive been really exicted for this one. the pics of heaths joker ive seen, like that leaked one, have for me been less then stellar, but this new one is, whoa, AWSOME!!! i think im gonna like this version of joker as well, because its just so different from what we're used to. very cool. now i just wanna see some footage of him to see if he lives up to his namesake (as the character). reall cool lookin though.

as for killing him off or not, it could go either way with me. IMHO, it seems inevitable that hes gonna be killed off because hes the most evil villian of all batmans villians. for me, i'd kinda want to see him go. just like they did with the past villians, or most of them, and with spiderman's villians. i LOVED green goblin, but im glad they didnt just keep him going, cuz that would get boring after while. i like the whole "new villian for every movie" thing, thats what for me keeps the series going strong. whther ppl think so or not, the villians are the strength of this series, and probably every supehero movie series. and there are so many different ones to do, so lets not limit it to just one just cuz some ppl like him more. i love joker too, but i want dont want him to extend his stay. i want to see villians we havent see yet in film, like mad hatter or killer croc or maybe a GOOD mr freeze.

[Mercurius]

Nice new Ledger's pic.

But: Crow-ish. Still something missing to nail the Joker as he should be.

[ronny]

And what would that be?

[GoogleMe94]

Nice new Ledger's pic.

But: Crow-ish. Still something missing to nail the Joker as he should be.

yeah, same here. dont know what it is though. maybe the fact hes serious anmd not smiling or laughing?

[Mikesimus]

Nice new Ledger's pic.

But: Crow-ish. Still something missing to nail the Joker as he should be.

I think all that is needed is seeing proper film footage. We have heard the voice, and seen the still's, but not together. All I want to see now is a nice HD picture of him smiling, I am hoping there are more photos to come of things like this!

[ronny]

I'm sure there will be. All this hoopla just for a poster? I think not.

[Cain]

Nice new Ledger's pic.

But: Crow-ish. Still something missing to nail the Joker as he should be.

Gotta disagree thanks to this pic I'm finally beginning to warm up to the look and really recognizing him as the version of the character they said they were adapting.

http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/batman/joker-batman01.jpg

^ check the fourth panel on that page and now look at this

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/rorydeathkiss.jpg

The accuracy is actually pretty scary.

[GoogleMe94]

OMG...your right? but where did they say that they were basing thier joker off of those particular comic strips? and i dont think they meant to have black circles around jokers eyes in the comic, it looks like just a shadow or just a lil dark circle under the eyes, not black all around like in the movie.

[Cain]

OMG...your right? but where did they say that they were basing thier joker off of those particular comic strips? and i dont think they meant to have black circles around jokers eyes in the comic, it looks like just a shadow or just a lil dark circle under the eyes, not black all around like in the movie.

Since production began the Nolan's have been very adamant about how they're basing this version on his first appearance from Batman # 1 which that page I posted is from. The dark circle's represent bags under his eyes to add to the deadness and coldness of his glare that's why they tried to replicate it with the "panda make up" and Heath has said "it's more about the eyes". This is the first pic of Heath as The Joker that I've really liked greatly due to how much it reminded me of that particular interpretation of the character. I'm finally seeing it.

[Mercurius]

Gotta disagree thanks to this pic I'm finally beginning to warm up to the look and really recognizing him as the version of the character they said they were adapting.

http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/batman/joker-batman01.jpg

^ check the fourth panel on that page and now look at this

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/rorydeathkiss.jpg

The accuracy is actually pretty scary.


Face expression more or less the same, but check this pic with a Crow one.

It's this annoying & inevitable resemblance.

Darn it! :woot:

[Jkr]

That's scary how much he looks like the original.

[Carmine Falcone]

The accuracy is actually pretty scary.

Holy ****! You're right. the facial expression, the wrinkles, the hands. Stupid that I didn't spot it.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l136/Facone_Snoek/TDKR.png

[Mercurius]

I think all that is needed is seeing proper film footage. We have heard the voice, and seen the still's, but not together.

Here you got something indeed. I can't wait to see some footage and judge it better.

But, you know, the thing is really bugging me.

Anyway, rumor has it, Ledger is delivering a remarkable performance. Let's wait and see. :joker:

[GoogleMe94]

but the question is, will this accuracy translate to moving pictures? in pics, its real easy to be like "whoa that is sooo awosme!!" but when you see the movie, he may look or act somewhat differently. like bale as batman. in pics, he looked awsome, but when i saw him in the film, to me, he looked rather odd and not very comfortable wearing the suit, he looked akward, and that cowl....no. for joker it should be a bit easier, because its just makeup and not a cowl or suit.

[Cain]

Holy ****! You're right. the facial expression, the wrinkles, the hands. Stupid that I didn't spot it.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l136/Facone_Snoek/TDKR.png

Just remember who said it first :woot:

but the question is, will this accuracy translate to moving pictures? in pics, its real easy to be like "whoa that is sooo awosme!!" but when you see the movie, he may look or act somewhat differently. like bale as batman. in pics, he looked awsome, but when i saw him in the film, to me, he looked rather odd and not very comfortable wearing the suit, he looked akward, and that cowl....no. for joker it should be a bit easier, because its just makeup and not a cowl or suit.

Yeah till this day I can't stand that cowl but there were many moments where Bale was like the modern Batman more specifically Jeph Loeb's in terms of subtle things like mannerisms and his interaction with other character's. Yeah I still prefer Keaton but that's cause I'm a Golden Age fan while there were many changes to Batman in BB there was still a lot of familiarity as well. I've been saying that performance wise Heath is gonna definitely nail it since the beginning because based on the set reports I've read and just looking at his dedication to the role I believe he will embody many aspects of the character just like Nicholson did. I was just very iffy about the look up until now.

[Mercurius]

When I first saw this pic, it reminded me of a panel in TDK (besides the Crow thing) in which the Joker is applying lipstick.

EDIT: I guess it is not when he's applying lipstick, but when he is talking about it with decadent Selina Kyle.

[Darknightnomis]

When I first saw this pic, it reminded me of a panel in TDK (besides the Crow thing) in which the Joker is applying lipstick.

EDIT: I guess it is not when he's applying lipstick, but when he is talking about it with decadent Selina Kyle.

If he calls Batman "Darling" in the movie, I might just lose it with a serious "fanboygasim". :woot:

[Jkr]

If he calls Batman "Darling" in the movie, I might just lose it with a serious "fanboygasim". :woot:

For some reason I got a feeling he'll pull something like that, using pet names.

[El Payaso]

Just remember who said it first :woot:


JackBauer two pages ago.:)

[Beanjuice]

what do you guys think of teh voice clipping we got on wss? i ersonally like it and think heath has pretty much nailed joker

[sasquatchs]

I'm not really convinced it's Ledger. Sounds like the same guy who did the "Why so serious" clip last time though

[Gianakin_]

Love the voice. LOVE it.

[Gianakin_]

I'm not really convinced it's Ledger. Sounds like the same guy who did the "Why so serious" clip last time though

I bet it's a sound sample from the movie, because if you listen carefully, there's heavy breathing while the Joker talks. My guess? It's Batman.

[sasquatchs]

Well it definitely seems to be Joker doing a Batman impression anyway. The heavy breathing sounds more like a piston or something

Funny how the Joker looks and sounds different every time :woot:

[dark_b]

i was happy at teh dialoge between scarecrow and batman and of course bruce and ra's. all was very good. so i am expecting badass lines between batman and joker.

to bad that singer couldnt have some dialoge between superman and lex luthor :whatever: :o

[Gianakin_]

Perhaps, my guess is that Batman has him by the throat or sth, thus the heavier voice, plus that's why Joker tells him he'll be forced to break the one rule he's got (ie that he never kills).

[Gianakin_]

to bad that singer couldnt have some dialoge between superman and batman :whatever: :o

When did he have a chance to do that? Do you mean Lex?

[dark_b]

When did he have a chance to do that? Do you mean Lex?
i meant superman and lex luthor :woot:

[Gianakin_]

i meant superman and lex luthor :woot:

Yeah, while I liked the movie, the 2 characters didn't even properly interact. It's a damn shame.

[Conebone69]

Whats new! Please post any new pics or info!!!!

[Bat-Mite]

Heh. I posted about Heath looking like the original Joker a few weeks ago (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=12966800&postcount=231). I thought I was going to have to make a topic about it just to hush the naysayers. But yeah, it is a lot easier to see in this new pic, and I'm glad a lot more people are warming up to him because of it ("People need dramatic examples..."). I still think he might be permawhite in that new pic, because he looks so different.

[Art Damage]

i don't know if anyone else had said this
but at the end of the "own rule" line


there is the start of his laugh
or maybe i'm hearing things

Yeah, I thought I heard that too...almost like he's about to chuckle.

[CrashNburn]

for some reason my computer isn't playing the clip. not sure why.

[JokerSushi]

I've been lurking for a while, definitely not a n00b, but definitely not caring much for silly discussions or arguments.

I'm more into common sense and am very excited for the next film!

I know that everyone is trying to interpret the new take on the joker and trying to find images from the past that say "Now THIS will be the real joker!".

You're not going to find the answers in images from the past say, "Aha! Since he looks like the original joker, he's going to act like the psychotic joker and not the joking joker from the 60's!!".

Not true. We know for a fact that it has nothing to do with image and everything to do with realism, and a good story. His character, as it has been said already in the past many months ago, will be based on the killing joke.

The story will be taken directly from... nah, I wont reveal that, but it's a continuation of Batman Year 1 part 1. There is only one logical story that continues Year 1 part 1 (And it's not called Year 1 part 2 either). We were given a huge hint recently thanks to a certain image posted on a certain site, but still there seems to be some denial as to the direction of the next movie.

That being said, I think if we are to base our opinion on how the joker "looks" and say, "well, if he looks like the 60's joker her must act like the 60's joker" simply from a few still images we have and a voice cut or two, then why didn't we say that Nicholson - who looked EXACTLY like the original joker - was going to be the pale faced killer we all originally knew from the first intro of his character?

http://i4.tinypic.com/67gq43a.jpg

The pic here proves that visual comparisons mean nothing. Again, I know the real deal, and all I can reveal is that the PERSONA of the Joker will embody that which was portrayed in THE KILLING JOKE. The STORY of the joker will be taken directly from the "logical progression" to batman year 1 part 1 (figure it out, it's not hard)

And there will be a third villain, revealed at the end of the movie. That is all. Good day sirs and madams.

And please, take those pictures already. Mr. J is getting impatient.

[Gianakin_]

1.You told us nothing we didn't know
2.I agree about the visual comparisons

[Lunar_Wolf]

Where on the site can you hear The Joker talking?

[Puddin]

I've been lurking for a while, definitely not a n00b, but definitely not caring much for silly discussions or arguments.

I'm more into common sense and am very excited for the next film!

I know that everyone is trying to interpret the new take on the joker and trying to find images from the past that say "Now THIS will be the real joker!".

You're not going to find the answers in images from the past say, "Aha! Since he looks like the original joker, he's going to act like the psychotic joker and not the joking joker from the 60's!!".

Not true. We know for a fact that it has nothing to do with image and everything to do with realism, and a good story. His character, as it has been said already in the past many months ago, will be based on the killing joke.

The story will be taken directly from... nah, I wont reveal that, but it's a continuation of Batman Year 1 part 1. There is only one logical story that continues Year 1 part 1 (And it's not called Year 1 part 2 either). We were given a huge hint recently thanks to a certain image posted on a certain site, but still there seems to be some denial as to the direction of the next movie.

That being said, I think if we are to base our opinion on how the joker "looks" and say, "well, if he looks like the 60's joker her must act like the 60's joker" simply from a few still images we have and a voice cut or two, then why didn't we say that Nicholson - who looked EXACTLY like the original joker - was going to be the pale faced killer we all originally knew from the first intro of his character?

http://i4.tinypic.com/67gq43a.jpg

The pic here proves that visual comparisons mean nothing. Again, I know the real deal, and all I can reveal is that the PERSONA of the Joker will embody that which was portrayed in THE KILLING JOKE. The STORY of the joker will be taken directly from the "logical progression" to batman year 1 part 1 (figure it out, it's not hard)

And there will be a third villain, revealed at the end of the movie. That is all. Good day sirs and madams.

And please, take those pictures already. Mr. J is getting impatient.


With all due respect, why are you writing like the Riddler?

[Nepenthes]

I've been lurking for a while, definitely not a n00b, but definitely not caring much for silly discussions or arguments.

I'm more into common sense and am very excited for the next film!

I know that everyone is trying to interpret the new take on the joker and trying to find images from the past that say "Now THIS will be the real joker!".

You're not going to find the answers in images from the past say, "Aha! Since he looks like the original joker, he's going to act like the psychotic joker and not the joking joker from the 60's!!".

Not true. We know for a fact that it has nothing to do with image and everything to do with realism, and a good story. His character, as it has been said already in the past many months ago, will be based on the killing joke.

The story will be taken directly from... nah, I wont reveal that, but it's a continuation of Batman Year 1 part 1. There is only one logical story that continues Year 1 part 1 (And it's not called Year 1 part 2 either). We were given a huge hint recently thanks to a certain image posted on a certain site, but still there seems to be some denial as to the direction of the next movie.

That being said, I think if we are to base our opinion on how the joker "looks" and say, "well, if he looks like the 60's joker her must act like the 60's joker" simply from a few still images we have and a voice cut or two, then why didn't we say that Nicholson - who looked EXACTLY like the original joker - was going to be the pale faced killer we all originally knew from the first intro of his character?

http://i4.tinypic.com/67gq43a.jpg

The pic here proves that visual comparisons mean nothing. Again, I know the real deal, and all I can reveal is that the PERSONA of the Joker will embody that which was portrayed in THE KILLING JOKE. The STORY of the joker will be taken directly from the "logical progression" to batman year 1 part 1 (figure it out, it's not hard)

And there will be a third villain, revealed at the end of the movie. That is all. Good day sirs and madams.

And please, take those pictures already. Mr. J is getting impatient.

what the hell are you talking about? you make no sense


The story will be taken directly from... nah, I wont reveal that, but it's a continuation of Batman Year 1 part 1.

okay. I get the feeling we're not missing out on much :dry:


And there will be a third villain, revealed at the end of the movie.

I thought you said you'd been lurking for a while. We're are all fully aware. AMH is Riddler.



Where on the site can you hear The Joker talking?

Turn your speakers up and click the WSS again. it plays with the photo reveal

[Bat-Mite]

That being said, I think if we are to base our opinion on how the joker "looks" and say, "well, if he looks like the 60's joker her must act like the 60's joker" simply from a few still images we have and a voice cut or two, then why didn't we say that Nicholson - who looked EXACTLY like the original joker - was going to be the pale faced killer we all originally knew from the first intro of his character?

http://i4.tinypic.com/67gq43a.jpgJack didn't look like that Joker AT ALL, really. There are similarities (white skin, green hair, and the shape of the face), but Jack wasn't even meant to be that Joker. He was meant to be the modern one and that's what he looks like. If you notice in that picture you posted, the Joker isn't even smiling, whereas Jack HAS to be smiling all the time in that movie. The prosthetic they put on his face really limited his facial expressions IMO, and I'm glad Heath won't have to put up with that. Having said that, which of these things is not like the other?

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6359/threejokersaw3.jpg

Jack's smiley Joker doesn't look much like the Batman 1 Joker at all, whereas Heath's does (especially in the latest pic of him). Also, I disagree with what you said about visual comparisions. Jack looked like the modern Joker and that's what he gave us. Heath looks like the Batman 1 Joker and I believe that he is going to give us the darker Joker presented there (with a little bit of KJ Joker tossed in to give him some dark humor).

[Lunar_Wolf]

what the hell are you talking about? you make no sense




okay. I get the feeling we're not missing out on much :dry:




I thought you said you'd been lurking for a while. We're are all fully aware. AMH is Riddler.





Turn your speakers up and click the WSS again. it plays with the photo reveal
Thanks!!!







Just sent the email.

[Schlosser85]

I thought you said you'd been lurking for a while. We're are all fully aware. AMH is Riddler.

Uhh I think the third villain at the end is Two-Face, considering it turned out a while back that AMH is a reporter named Engel.

[bkey]

He was being sarcastic haha

[El Payaso]

Jack didn't look like that Joker AT ALL, really.

Well, the pic that guy posted and this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/alejansolo/JokerNichComparision.jpg

prove you wrong.

There are similarities (white skin, green hair, and the shape of the face),

Same can be said about Ledger. I haven't seen a traditional Joker with long hair hanging.

Truth is, both look like Joker. It's just an open-mind capacity issue.

but Jack wasn't even meant to be that Joker. He was meant to be the modern one and that's what he looks like.

Nicholson's Joker was meant to be a condensation of many Joker's depictions. And much of B89 was meant to reflect the first comic books (as the comparision pics I posted prove you), exactly the era you're saying is not the one meant to be reflected.

If you notice in that picture you posted, the Joker isn't even smiling, whereas Jack HAS to be smiling all the time in that movie.

*tries to avoid headache*

I'm sure you can see the resemblence in spite of that difference.

The prosthetic they put on his face really limited his facial expressions IMO,

Yes. It limited them to the Joker's expressions.

and I'm glad Heath won't have to put up with that.

I'm glad too. Nicholson and Burton already did that successfully so there's no point about repeating what's done if they can do it in a different way.

Having said that, which of these things is not like the other?

The first one lacks of the hair.

I know, stupid observation, I'm just trying to play the game.

Jack's smiley Joker doesn't look much like the Batman 1 Joker at all,

Again,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/alejansolo/JokerNichComparision.jpg

whereas Heath's does (especially in the latest pic of him).

I fail to see Joker's long hair in that comic panel.

Also, I disagree with what you said about visual comparisions. Jack looked like the modern Joker and that's what he gave us.

Then the likeness with Batman #1 must be an amazing coincidence Burton and make-up artist were not aware of.

Heath looks like the Batman 1 Joker

Except for the long hair, which is more like The Killing Joke, modern era.

I believe that he is going to give us the darker Joker presented there (with a little bit of KJ Joker tossed in to give him some dark humor).

I agree. Finally a sensible opinion. Coincidentally happened when you weren't trying to bash other movie Joker's visions.

[El Payaso]

I've been lurking for a while, definitely not a n00b, but definitely not caring much for silly discussions or arguments.

I'm more into common sense and am very excited for the next film!

I know that everyone is trying to interpret the new take on the joker and trying to find images from the past that say "Now THIS will be the real joker!".

You're not going to find the answers in images from the past say, "Aha! Since he looks like the original joker, he's going to act like the psychotic joker and not the joking joker from the 60's!!".

Not true. We know for a fact that it has nothing to do with image and everything to do with realism, and a good story. His character, as it has been said already in the past many months ago, will be based on the killing joke.

The story will be taken directly from... nah, I wont reveal that, but it's a continuation of Batman Year 1 part 1. There is only one logical story that continues Year 1 part 1 (And it's not called Year 1 part 2 either). We were given a huge hint recently thanks to a certain image posted on a certain site, but still there seems to be some denial as to the direction of the next movie.

That being said, I think if we are to base our opinion on how the joker "looks" and say, "well, if he looks like the 60's joker her must act like the 60's joker" simply from a few still images we have and a voice cut or two, then why didn't we say that Nicholson - who looked EXACTLY like the original joker - was going to be the pale faced killer we all originally knew from the first intro of his character?

http://i4.tinypic.com/67gq43a.jpg

The pic here proves that visual comparisons mean nothing. Again, I know the real deal, and all I can reveal is that the PERSONA of the Joker will embody that which was portrayed in THE KILLING JOKE. The STORY of the joker will be taken directly from the "logical progression" to batman year 1 part 1 (figure it out, it's not hard)

And there will be a third villain, revealed at the end of the movie. That is all. Good day sirs and madams.

And please, take those pictures already. Mr. J is getting impatient.

You know, i really think you and your post... nah, I won't reveal that. :joker:

[TV's Frank]

Jack didn't look like that Joker AT ALL, really. There are similarities (white skin, green hair, and the shape of the face), but Jack wasn't even meant to be that Joker. He was meant to be the modern one and that's what he looks like. If you notice in that picture you posted, the Joker isn't even smiling, whereas Jack HAS to be smiling all the time in that movie. The prosthetic they put on his face really limited his facial expressions IMO, and I'm glad Heath won't have to put up with that. Having said that, which of these things is not like the other?

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6359/threejokersaw3.jpg

Jack's smiley Joker doesn't look much like the Batman 1 Joker at all, whereas Heath's does (especially in the latest pic of him). Also, I disagree with what you said about visual comparisions. Jack looked like the modern Joker and that's what he gave us. Heath looks like the Batman 1 Joker and I believe that he is going to give us the darker Joker presented there (with a little bit of KJ Joker tossed in to give him some dark humor).

Don't forget what Heath said a while ago in an interview that it was all about the eyes. Now, look at the Heath pic and the Joker's first appearance. They both have that dead look in their eyes, its almost indentical.

[KILLING JOKER]

Let's not trash Nicholsons Joker or Ledgers either. What's the point? In order to fully appreciate what Jack did as the Joker you have to look at what came before him. He was the first dark, evil and twisted homicidal Joker. At the time no-one had ever seen that kind of Joker on screen so it was inspired and certainly had reflections of the Joker from the comics. Face it, it was a great performance. Was it the definitive Joker? IMO no, it wasn't dark enough. I do agree that it's far too soon to tell how great Ledger is going to be but the approach seems to be darker and that's a huge plus for alot of us. In the end, one thing is certain. Both versions of the Joker will be completely different. Ledger has alot to live up to. Mainly because Nicholson as the Joker was one of the most famous casting choices in cinema history.

[Porygon]

Jack didn't look like that Joker AT ALL, really. There are similarities (white skin, green hair, and the shape of the face), but Jack wasn't even meant to be that Joker. He was meant to be the modern one and that's what he looks like. If you notice in that picture you posted, the Joker isn't even smiling, whereas Jack HAS to be smiling all the time in that movie. The prosthetic they put on his face really limited his facial expressions IMO, and I'm glad Heath won't have to put up with that. Having said that, which of these things is not like the other?

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6359/threejokersaw3.jpg

Jack's smiley Joker doesn't look much like the Batman 1 Joker at all, whereas Heath's does (especially in the latest pic of him). Also, I disagree with what you said about visual comparisions. Jack looked like the modern Joker and that's what he gave us. Heath looks like the Batman 1 Joker and I believe that he is going to give us the darker Joker presented there (with a little bit of KJ Joker tossed in to give him some dark humor).You didn't read his post.

[gwynplaine]

Was it confirmed that the IBIHD picture was just a make-up test ?

[Doc Holliday]

It was the last I heard, but I don't know, that was a while ago.

[gwynplaine]

Thank you.

[Bat-Mite]

Truth is, both look like Joker. It's just an open-mind capacity issue.I never said Jack didn't look like the Joker. I just think he looks more like the modern one than the original Joker.I agree. Finally a sensible opinion. Coincidentally happened when you weren't trying to bash other movie Joker's visions.And perhaps you need to read what I'm saying before you get your overly defensive panties in a bunch and start nitpicking at every single sentence I type. Not ONCE in my post did I bash the appearance of Nicholson's Joker. My qualms with that depiction lie solely in Jack's performance, not in his appearance. I was just saying that I think Heath looks more like that Joker than Jack does, and yes, Jack does look a bit more similar to that Joker when that Joker is smiling, but I still think that Heath, over all, looks more like him than Jack does, over all.

[gwynplaine]

Jack was too fat and too old for the part, but he is Jack so he can get away with it (IMO he was a better Joker in the Shining than in B89). Anyway, his performance was great, and I love that Nolan is trying something else, something darker.

[ronny]

Nicholson was no good. His outfit was too gaudy and his means of killing were just odd. Plus, he was Jack Nicholson playing Jack Nicholson playing a clown playing a mob boss. The whole film was underwhelming and Jack Nicholson's portrayal of The Joker was a big part of that. Ah, BUT he was very good in the pre-Joker scenes. I liked the Jack Napier character and was disappointed to see him falling into the vat of chemicals. Sure, it's the most likely origin but it can never be definitively proven. But the point is that if Jack was allowed to act as he did in the beginning of the film it would have been great, if the costume had been changed he also would have been magnificent and if they got rid of that damn smile I think the film would have been better too. No. We can't lay the blame fully on Jack Nicholson, the reason he sucked was because the film was fatally flawed. Overall it was too gothic and tried to turn The Joker into...God knows what. Nolan may well do better but at the moment it is no certainty. Hopefully there will be no backlash from this November 17th nonsense but if there is it could be a little damaging.

[Conebone69]

Can someone post the "slaughter is the best medicine" logo in black. Not the one where it says it on the semi but just the logo by itself

[The Sage]

Is it possible that both Nicholson's and Ledger's Jokers will be considered valid interpretations of the character? Isn't possible to like both versions and not tear down either one?

[RedIsNotBlue]

Is it possible that both Nicholson's and Ledger's Jokers will be considered valid interpretations of the character? Isn't possible to like both versions and not tear down either one?

Logic?!?!?!? Get that **** outta here!

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Is it possible that both Nicholson's and Ledger's Jokers will be considered valid interpretations of the character? Isn't possible to like both versions and not tear down either one?

Well of course. You could like Nicholson's version because he possessed the campy humor of the Adam West Joker (this is my interpretation). You could like Ledger's because he looks and sounds ****ing creepy (again my interpretation).

In the long run I prefer the creepier version of the two.

---Morzan

[El Payaso]

I never said Jack didn't look like the Joker.

Yes,... and?

I just think he looks more like the modern one than the original Joker.

And the picture I posted - first panel of Batman #1 (1940) shows Nicholson was almost a replica of that Joker.

And perhaps you need to read what I'm saying before you get your overly defensive panties in a bunch and start nitpicking at every single sentence I type.

I did, but you seem to believe I was thinking you said Nicholson didn't look like ANY Joker. But, in reality, I didn't say you said that.

Not ONCE in my post did I bash the appearance of Nicholson's Joker.

Saying the permanent smile being so limiting in a discusion that was merely about if he looked like Batman#1 Joker or not was a flattery. I get now.

I was just saying that I think Heath looks more like that Joker than Jack does, and yes, Jack does look a bit more similar to that Joker when that Joker is smiling, but I still think that Heath, over all, looks more like him than Jack does, over all.

We'll just ignore Batman#1 Joker hadn't long long hair handing down :up:

[BatoutofHell]

Well of course. You could like Nicholson's version because he possessed the campy humor of the Adam West Joker (this is my interpretation). You could like Ledger's because he looks and sounds ****ing creepy (again my interpretation).

In the long run I prefer the creepier version of the two.

---Morzan

Yeah, just like you either support the war and hate middle easterners or not support the war and love terrorists...

[El Payaso]

Nicholson was no good. His outfit was too gaudy and his means of killing were just odd. Plus, he was Jack Nicholson playing Jack Nicholson playing a clown playing a mob boss. The whole film was underwhelming and Jack Nicholson's portrayal of The Joker was a big part of that. Ah, BUT he was very good in the pre-Joker scenes. I liked the Jack Napier character and was disappointed to see him falling into the vat of chemicals. Sure, it's the most likely origin but it can never be definitively proven. But the point is that if Jack was allowed to act as he did in the beginning of the film it would have been great, if the costume had been changed he also would have been magnificent and if they got rid of that damn smile I think the film would have been better too. No. We can't lay the blame fully on Jack Nicholson, the reason he sucked was because the film was fatally flawed. Overall it was too gothic and tried to turn The Joker into...God knows what. Nolan may well do better but at the moment it is no certainty. Hopefully there will be no backlash from this November 17th nonsense but if there is it could be a little damaging.

Yeah, Joker killing in odd ways, his origin being falling on a vat of chemicals. That was so wrong. You're such an expert, I can tell, I guess I'll take your opinion for where it comes from.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Yeah, just like you either support the war and hate middle easterners or not support the war and love terrorists...

So...no? :confused:

---Morzan

[El Payaso]

Is it possible that both Nicholson's and Ledger's Jokers will be considered valid interpretations of the character? Isn't possible to like both versions and not tear down either one?

Is it possible man. Is it possible.

As it's possible to appreciate something by appreciating it and not bashing something else.

[ronny]

Yeah, Joker killing in odd ways, his origin being falling on a vat of chemicals. That was so wrong. You're such an expert, I can tell, I guess I'll take your opinion for where it comes from.

What have I done wrong?

[Beanjuice]

What have I done wrong?


um lets see, you have sucsessfully angered batman fans, you have made some of teh dumbest statements made on these boards, and well....just dont speak :woot:

[ronny]

Dumbest statements? What would they be?

[TheBat812]

Yeah, Joker killing in odd ways, his origin being falling on a vat of chemicals. That was so wrong. You're such an expert, I can tell, I guess I'll take your opinion for where it comes from.
I think the script and dialogue and actions of the Joker are very Jokerish in B89, just not acted in a way that isn't Jack Nicholson. It's literally just Jack Nicholson being Jack Nicholson saying things the Joker would say. But isn't that just acting? No, acting is about becoming somebody else, and Nicholson was just Nicholson. Ledger is a completely different person/character than he has been in anything else.

[Mikesimus]

Dumbest statements? What would they be?

Well you could start on your first few words about the outfit being too gaudy. Let me see, hmmmmmmm, purple suit in the comics - purple suit in the movie, in fact, if im not mistaken, he even had the orange shirt which was very Killing Joke, and the killer hand buzzer, just love it. I think you need to explain what you mean in more detail.

[Porygon]

I think the script and dialogue and actions of the Joker are very Jokerish in B89, just not acted in a way that isn't Jack Nicholson. It's literally just Jack Nicholson being Jack Nicholson saying things the Joker would say. But isn't that just acting? No, acting is about becoming somebody else, and Nicholson was just Nicholson. Ledger is a completely different person/character than he has been in anything else.So, according to you:

- Jack Nicholson hates Batman
- Jack Nicholson sings happily when electrocuting mobsters into charred corpses
- Jack Nicholson rules the criminal underworld of Gotham City
- Jack Nicholson believes himself to be an artist

Because that is what I got from the character of the Joker in B89. If Nicholson acted like himself, then why hasn't Jack Nicholson been put into a lunatic asylum?

[El Payaso]

I think the script and dialogue and actions of the Joker are very Jokerish in B89, just not acted in a way that isn't Jack Nicholson. It's literally just Jack Nicholson being Jack Nicholson saying things the Joker would say. But isn't that just acting? No, acting is about becoming somebody else, and Nicholson was just Nicholson. Ledger is a completely different person/character than he has been in anything else.

One branch of acting is to become someone else chamaleonically. But even DeNiro has been playing himself and still doing great jobs. And Nicholson did a good job as Joker. For s atarter he was chosen because he was very much like Joker. For that matter Michael Caine was Michael Caine doing butler stuff but what a great role he did.

[Porygon]

One branch of acting is to become someone else chamaleonically. But even DeNiro has been playing himself and still doing great jobs. And Nicholson did a good job as Joker. For s atarter he was chosen because he was very much like Joker. For that matter Michael Caine was Michael Caine doing butler stuff but what a great role he did.Exactly. Micheal Caine wasn't playing Alfred. He was playing Micheal Caine. If he really wanted to 'become' Alfred, he would've made his accent more upper-class, shaved his head, grew a mustache, and constantly talked in a sarcastic manner. He did nothing like that, and just read his lines in his normal Micheal Caine voice.

It was great, though, and Alfred was one of the best things about Batman Begins.

The difference is that Jack Nicholson wasn't playing himself, because if he was he wouldn't be allowed to walk the streets.

[TheBat812]

One branch of acting is to become someone else chamaleonically. But even DeNiro has been playing himself and still doing great jobs. And Nicholson did a good job as Joker. For s atarter he was chosen because he was very much like Joker. For that matter Michael Caine was Michael Caine doing butler stuff but what a great role he did.
Yes, just like Denzel Washington. People who can sell emotions very well and get you involved, but are always the same character. that's not impressive acting to me.

And I'm just saying Nicholson acted like Jack Nicholson regardless of what his character was doing or feeling. Like I said, well written, not well acted. He wasn't playing himself, he was acting like himself, playing the Joker.

[ronny]

Well you could start on your first few words about the outfit being too gaudy. Let me see, hmmmmmmm, purple suit in the comics - purple suit in the movie, in fact, if im not mistaken, he even had the orange shirt which was very Killing Joke, and the killer hand buzzer, just love it. I think you need to explain what you mean in more detail.

Ah, you see the costume in the comics is gaudy. True. But it also has style, pizzaz. The Joker is narcisstic but he does carry it off well. Hey, just look at The Dark Knight Returns, the guy is a snappy dresser. Now, Nicholson's costume isn't as bad as it could have been but it's not great. It's got certain faithful touches like the fedora and, as you've said, the iconic colour scheme. But certain parts just look very, very wrong to me. Mainly because of the fabric. Bits of the fabric were mismatched and although visually striking were out-of-place in my opinion. I'm afraid I'm working from memory here but if I had a picture I could pinpoint what I found wrong in his look. I just don't understand the hostility, wasn't it enough that I thought quite highly of his portrayal of Jack Napier? Does my praise have to be without criticism or question? At least you Mikesimus have actually adressed my points with maturity. That moral high ground feels nice doesn't it? :woot:
Anyways, that's my problem with the costume. Bits of the fabric don't fit in. Couple that with the perma-grin and the look of The Joker is crippled from the get go. A real shame when you consider the potential. But hey, at least we got the scene with the mirror. Which, to be fair, is absolutely great.

[Porygon]

And I'm just saying Nicholson acted like Jack Nicholson regardless of what his character was doing or feeling. Like I said, well written, not well acted. He wasn't playing himself, he was acting like himself, playing the Joker.So, if in real life Batman flew in with his Batwing and stole Jack Nicholson's balloons, Jack Nicholson would react by shooting his loyal partner without a second thought?

[TheBat812]

So, if in real life Batman flew in with his Batwing and stole Jack Nicholson's balloons, Jack Nicholson would react by shooting his loyal partner without a second thought?
Are you joking? You still don't understand, that's part of the WRITING, not the ACTING. It's not like Nicholson just decided to do that, the Joker did in the script. I'm just talking about the ****ing acting. what is wrong with you?

[Crook]

Yes, just like Denzel Washington. People who can sell emotions very well and get you involved, but are always the same character. that's not impressive acting to me.
Ok, but it's acting. And if it gets you involved and sells the emotions well, that sure as hell ain't bad acting.

Roles are not required for you to bring in a completely different performance each and every time. Nor does that have any relevance to the actual quality of the performance at hand. As long as the actor can bring that character from the script, to the screen, in a convincing manner, then his job is done.

[Porygon]

Are you joking? You still don't understand, that's part of the WRITING, not the ACTING. It's not like Nicholson just decided to do that, the Joker did in the script. I'm just talking about the ****ing acting. what is wrong with you?That's why I added the 'without a second thought' part. If Nicholson acted like Nicholson, he would've acted hesitant about shooting his partner and would appear horrified at what he would have done. But because he was in character, he showed no remorse.

The mere fact the Joker was written accurately forbids Jack Nicholson from acting like himself, as he wouldn't do the things the Joker does. So basically he has no choice but to act differently.

[Mikesimus]

Ah, you see the costume in the comics is gaudy. True. But it also has style, pizzaz. The Joker is narcisstic but he does carry it off well. Hey, just look at The Dark Knight Returns, the guy is a snappy dresser. Now, Nicholson's costume isn't as bad as it could have been but it's not great. It's got certain faithful touches like the fedora and, as you've said, the iconic colour scheme. But certain parts just look very, very wrong to me. Mainly because of the fabric. Bits of the fabric were mismatched and although visually striking were out-of-place in my opinion. I'm afraid I'm working from memory here but if I had a picture I could pinpoint what I found wrong in his look. I just don't understand the hostility, wasn't it enough that I thought quite highly of his portrayal of Jack Napier? Does my praise have to be without criticism or question? At least you Mikesimus have actually adressed my points with maturity. That moral high ground feels nice doesn't it? :woot:
Anyways, that's my problem with the costume. Bits of the fabric don't fit in. Couple that with the perma-grin and the look of The Joker is crippled from the get go. A real shame when you consider the potential. But hey, at least we got the scene with the mirror. Which, to be fair, is absolutely great.

Yeah I get what you mean, and the mirror scene is one of my favourites. I think we were lucky, it was the 80's, could you imagine B89's Joker walking round in a Miami Vice stylie purple suit, sleeves rolled up with white arms on show lol, okay i am straying a little from the point here. Point is, Joker is a snappy dresser, and I agree with the poster who said they should go for the Mark Hamill Joker look further down the line, possibly in the next movie.

[El Payaso]

Yes, just like Denzel Washington. People who can sell emotions very well and get you involved,

That's acting.

but are always the same character.

Washington and Nicholson are not always the same btw. Joker = Schmidt? No way.

that's not impressive acting to me.

You're just in love with one way of acting. That's ok as long as you don't rule the other ones out.

And I'm just saying Nicholson acted like Jack Nicholson regardless of what his character was doing or feeling.

Wrong. All Nicholson's actions and emotions in B89 were pure Joker.

Like I said, well written, not well acted.

They just didn't hire a complete Joker-opposite guy for the role.

He wasn't playing himself, he was acting like himself, playing the Joker.

Being Nicholson so close to Joker's personality, it's a good thing to say.

[Herman Laufig]

http://la-campanella.chez-alice.fr/Gifs/kirkdeathkiss.jpg


This Joker looks so Kirkalicious...

[Beanjuice]

http://la-campanella.chez-alice.fr/Gifs/kirkdeathkiss.jpg


This Joker looks so Kirkalicious...






NO MORE KIRK!!!

[Porygon]

Why haven't we seen a picture of the Joker smiling yet? Like a proper Joker grin?

[The Sage]

Well of course. You could like Nicholson's version because he possessed the campy humor of the Adam West Joker (this is my interpretation). You could like Ledger's because he looks and sounds ****ing creepy (again my interpretation).

In the long run I prefer the creepier version of the two.

---Morzan

Or I could love Nicholson's Joker because he possessed the, creepiness, dark humor and insanity that Joker possesses, and I'll probably love Ledger's Joker because he'll have the same attributes but much more darker and serious.

Just my intrepretation, in the long run.

[BubbaGump]

Why haven't we seen a picture of the Joker smiling yet? Like a proper Joker grin?

We got an awesome leaked pic of him smiling full-on.

[gwynplaine]

We got an awesome leaked pic of him smiling full-on.
Yeah, he looks great, almost like a religious fanatic or something.

[Luchastyle]

NO MORE KIRK!!!
exactly. that's played out. soooooooo...played.

[bstringer]

This joker looks like the Bamajero Version..I know his name is spelt wrong, but im not looking it up. If anyone has the pic, post it.

[Conebone69]

http://la-campanella.chez-alice.fr/Gifs/kirkdeathkiss.jpg


This Joker looks so Kirkalicious...
Is that heath as joker?! Little confused

[gwynplaine]

No, enough with Kirk, please or I'll start an AMH thread.

[Yurka]

If jimmy rhodes sees all this kirk-ness, all hell is gonna break loose.

[Darkness Falls]

Is that heath as joker?! Little confused

yeah thats heath as the joker

but who the F*** is kirk

[gwynplaine]

yeah thats heath as the joker

but who the F*** is kirk
No one.

[uchiha_itachi]

We got an awesome leaked pic of him smiling full-on.

when was tht? i think i missed it:csad:

[ronny]

I don't think you can see it anymore. Something to do with copyright laws or some legal scam or something. Long story short, some sites don't want to post the images.

[uchiha_itachi]

i guessed as much since it was leaked..but if some1 happens to have it... lol

[CrypticOne]

I might sound pretty stupid asking this question, please forgive me, but where are all the new Joker pics coming from?

[bkey]

yeah thats heath as the joker

but who the F*** is kirk

Kirk Stedden baby

[uchiha_itachi]

I might sound pretty stupid asking this question, please forgive me, but where are all the new Joker pics coming from?


the newest one was from whysoserious.com

[Conebone69]

yeah thats heath as the joker

but who the F*** is kirk
Some guy who looks like he would be a good joker. Why is joker so wrinkly? Other then that, SWEET!

[Crook]

Since we're all in the mood to compare Joker shots, thought I'd make my own. It's obviously a bit inaccurate since Heath's shot is not the final design (but fairly close). So I'll reserve his space until we get something better. But until then:

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/2905/jokercompareoi7.jpg

Favorite interpretation aside, you'd have to be a damn idiot not to see which one stands out the most from all the others. I mean----c'mon. :o

[CrypticOne]

the newest one was from whysoserious.com

Yeah, I went there, couldn't find any.