The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[ActuallyRobin]

the line is

"All it takes is one bad day to turn the sanest man alive to lunacy"

the theme of one bad day explores the possibility that Batman is just as insane as the criminals he faces ("You had a bad day too, once, didn't you?" The Joker asks him), but manifests insanity in a different way.

The Joker's underlying motive is to illustrate the inherent insanity of Batman's mission: dressing up as a bat to fight criminals. It is only when Batman renders the Joker helpless and his extended assistance is rejected that the Dark Knight comes to appreciate the madman's aim, reacting just as the Joker would: laughing hysterically.

thanks for correcting me :)

[DaddyGrayson]

Thank you for the transcript; I particularly noticed this part:

Ledger himself quips that, "I feel like I'll be assassinated if I tell you something wrong," so when asked how much we'll see in the film of the man who becomes The Joker, he merely says that, "Most of the villains in the Chris Nolan style of Batman films are normal people or once were normal people."


Could this mean something...anything...an origin?

Maybe hinting at the PERMA-WHITE TWIST!!!

:csad: Sadly, I think there will be no twist...

[gwynplaine]

Just finished Batman Allstar featuring the Joker. Good art by Jim Lee (he has refined the look, the nose is less pointy and it looks much better), even though the Joker is now buff and sports a biga** dragon tatoo (he looks more like crying freeman:woot: ).

But Miller's writing IMO has gotten pretty weak, maybe it's those fat Hollywood paychecks that he is probably getting these days:woot: .

[Mr. Socko]

Is Lee's latest artwork drastically different? I really dislike his Joker. I'm not a fan of 10 inch long nosed Joker with the world's largest cleft chin. Then on the other hand, people like Ross draw them a bit too realistic sometimes. I prefer when the art is stylized but still proportional, that's why Bolland remains my favorite.

Oh and just for the heck of it:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9017/jokerbarvq5.gif

OMG, this is so Joker :woot:

[Figs]

I think Joker is staring at the Falafel guy's cart off camera.

I think so too.

If this means an origin, I would hope it would be something like he was a low level mob thug that they left for dead. Then he returns and the mob takes notice of the new guy on the block (unaware that he's the thug they "killed") and hired him to whack the bat off. And then we know what follows...

---Morzan

There was mention in those leaked sides I believe that had someone referring to a waste dump. :wow:


Is Lee's latest artwork drastically different? I really dislike his Joker. I'm not a fan of 10 inch long nosed Joker with the world's largest cleft chin. Then on the other hand, people like Ross draw them a bit too realistic sometimes. I prefer when the art is stylized but still proportional, that's why Bolland remains my favorite.

Oh and just for the heck of it:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9017/jokerbarvq5.gif

OMG, this is so Joker :woot:

That's awesome!

[The Caped Knight]

I have a feeling that by the end of the movie (Just like in the first movie with The Scarecrow wearing the trenchcoat) The Joker's make up will become
permanent .

[Matt Mortem]

I have a feeling that by the end of the movie (Just like in the first movie with The Scarecrow wearing the trenchcoat) The Joker's make up will become
permanent .

when did the scarecrow wear a trenchcoat? I remember a straightjacket

[Beanjuice]

hey can someone get me the pic of the joker's truck? i keep hearing about it but i guess i missed it

[Figs]

when did the scarecrow wear a trenchcoat? I remember a straightjacket


He had one on I think over the straightjacket when he was riding the horse.

[strikezone89]

anyone know where i can find that joker font

[Beanjuice]

anyone know where i can find that joker font


yeah i'd like to know too, but i also would like a pic of the joker's truck

[Mr. Socko]

He had one on I think over the straightjacket when he was riding the horse.

There was no trench coat, just the straight jacket.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/bigshow321/Batman/5zh05y.jpg

And now that I think about it, I was glad that Scarecrow did get into a better look(if for only less than a minute of screentime), and the design was fine for Nolan's Gotham, in context, it made sense. But I never really liked it that much.

[White Knight]

anyone know where I can see the sides? only saw a couple, wondering if there are some others?

cheers,


WK

[SUPERSEBAS]

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc131/Jokerfan1980/195c.jpg


"I'm a man of my word" :D

Que cagada de joker !!!!

[SpinyNorman]

Cool beans, but this paragraph confuses the hell out of me:

Fans of the comic book will realise that what we'll be seeing here is a version more of the original Joker - the pure, cold hearted sociopath version - and the recent portrayals. of him as a deeply insane man. Not the Clown Prince of Crime, the rather more harmless prankster-bank-robber of the 60's, the Cesar Rmoero version if you like, which the Jack-Joker ran with for Burton's Batman.

[Puddin]

If this means an origin, I would hope it would be something like he was a low level mob thug that they left for dead. Then he returns and the mob takes notice of the new guy on the block (unaware that he's the thug they "killed") and hired him to whack the bat off. And then we know what follows...

---Morzan

At the risk of sounding really immature, this is the world's worst typo. Next time sir, please just say whack the Bat or another choice of words entirely. Not trying to sound nitpicky either, but I almost flipped my chair there.

[Axtech]

oh Tobias, you blow hard!

[gwynplaine]

Is Lee's latest artwork drastically different? I really dislike his Joker. I'm not a fan of 10 inch long nosed Joker with the world's largest cleft chin. Then on the other hand, people like Ross draw them a bit too realistic sometimes. I prefer when the art is stylized but still proportional, that's why Bolland remains my favorite.

Oh and just for the heck of it:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9017/jokerbarvq5.gif

OMG, this is so Joker :woot:
I completely agree with you. Bolland is also still my favorite. As for Lee's Joker it has greatly been improved (much less pointy nose), but like I said he is too buff, has a huge dragon tatoo on his torso and strangely enough hardly ever smiles. I reserve judgement till next issue. (the good thing is that he is a violent psychopath more in line with what Heath seemingly will deliver).

[Sonic1002]

Cool beans, but this paragraph confuses the hell out of me:
Fans of the comic book will realise that what we'll be seeing here is a version more of the original Joker - the pure, cold hearted sociopath version - and the recent portrayals. of him as a deeply insane man. Not the Clown Prince of Crime, the rather more harmless prankster-bank-robber of the 60's, the Cesar Rmoero version if you like, which the Jack-Joker ran with for Burton's Batman.

What they are trying to say is that Ledger's Joker will draw inspiration from his first appearance in the comics (Batman #1&2), where he was a sociopathic Zodiac murderer, and they will also true material from the modern incarnations of him, where he is a hard-boiled, grade A loony toon (IE: Arkham Asylum, The Killing Joke). They are not even going to TOUCH the campy, humorous style of Joker, ala Romero.

[Juice2020]

Is Lee's latest artwork drastically different? I really dislike his Joker. I'm not a fan of 10 inch long nosed Joker with the world's largest cleft chin. Then on the other hand, people like Ross draw them a bit too realistic sometimes. I prefer when the art is stylized but still proportional, that's why Bolland remains my favorite.

Oh and just for the heck of it:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9017/jokerbarvq5.gif

OMG, this is so Joker :woot:

That is my favorite Joker killing of all-time. Did anybody call the 1-800 number to have Jason Todd Killed? I heard there was a number people could vote to axe him, is that true?

[Figs]

There was no trench coat, just the straight jacket. And now that I think about it, I was glad that Scarecrow did get into a better look(if for only less than a minute of screentime), and the design was fine for Nolan's Gotham, in context, it made sense. But I never really liked it that much.

That's what it was, it was hanging low so I thought it was a trench coat of somekind over his straight jacket. Thanks for the correction.


That is my favorite Joker killing of all-time. Did anybody call the 1-800 number to have Jason Todd Killed? I heard there was a number people could vote to axe him, is that true?

Yeah, DC actually had that number to call to let the fans decide Jason Todd's fate.

[Watson]

This part

"I'm not worried at all," says Bale. "That was exactly the problem I had with the other movies - after I had read Frank Miller's Batman: Year One and various other graphic novels, I looked at those films and said, 'Well how comes it's always been that Batman's the most boring character?' I've never found him to be intriguing at all. Whereas these graphic novels depicted him as really being by far the most fascinating character. So I feel like we gained that back with Batman Begins. Now we've made him a character of substance. I have no problem with him competing with someone else. And that's going to make better entertainment and a better movie, which is great."

Bale grin's "I don't mind if everybody tried to chew up the scenery!"

Made me happiest of all. To see these two great actors come up against each other and create conflict is what will hopefully drive TDK.


Also...some Heath gossip for those so inclined. It involves teh firecrotch :ninja:.

Li-lo Scales Brokeback Mountain

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/Lohdger_112907_FRSH.jpg
LOHDGER Lohan, Ledger (inset)
Is nominal actress Lindsay Lohan the latest post-Michelle Williams conquest for actual actor Heath Ledger? According to a source, the recently-rehabbed starlet (now drinking again? (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/11/28/2007-11-28_lindsay_lohan_hasnt_fallen_off_wagon_but.html)) texted Ledger for a furtive rendezvous while the two were in New York over Thanksgiving weekend. Lohan, it seems, was supposed to spend the holidays with beau du jour and fellow Cirque Lodge grad Riley Giles, though he opted to instead capitalize of his newfound social cache by partying in assorted New York nightclubs (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11272007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm) sans Lohan. The Daily News reported yesterday that the two got into "at least one big fight" over Thanksgiving, though it's unclear on which day the alleged big fight took place.
Ledger was spotted hitting on "one pretty brunette after another" (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/11/27/2007-11-27_heaths_feast_for_the_eyes.html) at the Beatrice Inn on last Friday, the same day Lohan came to Manhattan to go shopping (http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/lindsay-lohan-takes-sis-shopping-202708/) with her sister. According to our source, the hookup occurred that evening.
The Daily News also reports that on Monday Lohan was in Manhattan drunk-dialing friends for a place to stay at 4 a.m.; only God himself knows if one of those calls landed her in Heath's warm embrace for a second go at things.
Ledger, for his part, has been linked to almost every single working actress and model in the Tri-state area in recent weeks, including Helena Christensen and Kate Hudson. An item in yesterday's New York Post also noted that he's taken to stalking model and fellow Aussie Gemma Ward, and that Heather Graham was also subject to his machinations.
Reached for comment, Lohan's rep, Leslie Sloane Zelnick, said, "This is gross. She and Heath are friends."



http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/11/lindsay-lohan-makes-her-way-up-brokeback-mountain.php

[The Mighty Wind]

I ****ing hate celebrity gossip.

[darknight7]

I ****ing hate celebrity gossip.

MEEEE TOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

--dk7

[cryptic name]

This part



Made me happiest of all. To see these two great actors come up against each other and create conflict is what will hopefully drive TDK.


Also...some Heath gossip for those so inclined. It involves teh firecrotch :ninja:.

Li-lo Scales Brokeback Mountain

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/Lohdger_112907_FRSH.jpg
LOHDGER Lohan, Ledger (inset)
Is nominal actress Lindsay Lohan the latest post-Michelle Williams conquest for actual actor Heath Ledger? According to a source, the recently-rehabbed starlet (now drinking again? (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/11/28/2007-11-28_lindsay_lohan_hasnt_fallen_off_wagon_but.html)) texted Ledger for a furtive rendezvous while the two were in New York over Thanksgiving weekend. Lohan, it seems, was supposed to spend the holidays with beau du jour and fellow Cirque Lodge grad Riley Giles, though he opted to instead capitalize of his newfound social cache by partying in assorted New York nightclubs (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11272007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm) sans Lohan. The Daily News reported yesterday that the two got into "at least one big fight" over Thanksgiving, though it's unclear on which day the alleged big fight took place.
Ledger was spotted hitting on "one pretty brunette after another" (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/11/27/2007-11-27_heaths_feast_for_the_eyes.html) at the Beatrice Inn on last Friday, the same day Lohan came to Manhattan to go shopping (http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/lindsay-lohan-takes-sis-shopping-202708/) with her sister. According to our source, the hookup occurred that evening.
The Daily News also reports that on Monday Lohan was in Manhattan drunk-dialing friends for a place to stay at 4 a.m.; only God himself knows if one of those calls landed her in Heath's warm embrace for a second go at things.
Ledger, for his part, has been linked to almost every single working actress and model in the Tri-state area in recent weeks, including Helena Christensen and Kate Hudson. An item in yesterday's New York Post also noted that he's taken to stalking model and fellow Aussie Gemma Ward, and that Heather Graham was also subject to his machinations.
Reached for comment, Lohan's rep, Leslie Sloane Zelnick, said, "This is gross. She and Heath are friends."



http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/11/lindsay-lohan-makes-her-way-up-brokeback-mountain.php



he's stalking girls and screwing lindsay lohan?


it's official. joker broke his brain.

[CaptainClown]

Heath sacrificed his sanity to bring us the Joker (pours some beer on the floor) one for the homie

[Watson]

he's stalking girls and screwing lindsay lohan?


it's official. joker broke his brain.



LOL. Really seems that way with other things we've heard about his behaviour.

[CaptainClown]

ya after rereading it, it seems Lindsay wants some of that heath action

[Noir]

ya after rereading it, it seems Lindsay wants some of that heath action
She loves that Joker.

[CaptainClown]

who doesn't

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Me. :o

---Morzan

[Darknightnomis]

:wow: Latest rumor: Lindsey Lohan will star as Harley Quinn in 3rd Batman sequel!

[COMPO]

**** off. no way. no way.

[gwynplaine]

I hope at some point that, briefly, Heath wears a scarf to conceal his scarred smile like Conrad in TMWL. What a beautiful thing and a great homage that would be.

[gwynplaine]

How the f***k does he get that Chelsea grin anyway ? Zipline, Batarang, self inflicted, henchmen's revenge, the mob ?

[lixdexia]

How the f***k does he get that Chelsea grin anyway ? Zipline, Batarang, self inflicted, henchmen's revenge, the mob ?
i really hope that it isn't even addressed in the film, it's just always there and no one knows how he got it

[gwynplaine]

i really hope that it isn't even addressed in the film, it's just always there and no one knows how he got it
So you think they would neither adress the smile nor the make-up ?

[lixdexia]

So you think they would neither adress the smile nor the make-up ?
i think caine has already addressed the make up and we know that he is skin toned at least once in the movie, but i don't think the scar will be given an origin, at least i hope not

[gwynplaine]

i think caine has already addressed the make up and we know that he is skin toned at least once in the movie, but i don't think the scar will be given an origin, at least i hope not
I mean in the film itself.

[lixdexia]

i'm not sure on the make up, but like i've said before, i couldn't care one way or the other there. the whiteface isn't really the mistique of this joker to me, the scars are

[gwynplaine]

i'm not sure on the make up, but like i've said before, i couldn't care one way or the other there. the whiteface isn't really the mistique of this joker to me, the scars are
Yeah, I also hope he just "is". like in Batman # I.

[lixdexia]

exactly why i don't want the scars addressed. i also want him to have extremely limited tme out of the make up

[gwynplaine]

exactly why i don't want the scars addressed. i also want him to have extremely limited tme out of the make up
Maybe he just applies flesh make-up over the white one (kind of like Batman # 1) or maybe his skin is already pretty f*****d up and pale or blotchy by that time and he needs skin toned make-up to blend in.

[lixdexia]

Maybe he just applies flesh make-up over the white one (kind of like Batman # 1) or maybe his skin is already pretty f*****d up and pale or blotchy by that time and he needs skin toned make-up to blend in.
as long as it happens off screen i couldn't give 2 ****s. i just don't want his character to be based soley on his physical appearence, he's a stronger character than that

[gwynplaine]

as long as it happens off screen i couldn't give 2 ****s. i just don't want his character to be based soley on his physical appearence, he's a stronger character than that
He is the greatest fictional character ever created.

[lixdexia]

He is the greatest fictional character ever created.
...batman's better...

best villian maybe, but best period? i don't quite think so:oldrazz:

[Beanjuice]

...batman's better...

best villian maybe, but best period? i don't quite think so:oldrazz:


best villain? idk,there are others that rival him,but he deffinately up there in the comic book baddie list

[The Joker]

Joker was voted the greatest comic book villain on all time in Wizard magazine about a year or so ago. They did a vote with the readers for the top 50 comic book villains, and Joker topped the poll :up:

[RamboMarvel]

Marvel has the best comic book villians.

[lixdexia]

Marvel has the best comic book villians.
GET OUT!!!!!:cmad: welcome to the hype, but that's a bad way to start:ninja:

[cryptic name]

Marvel has the best comic book villians.

name a marvel villain that comes close to the joker.

[TV's Frank]

name a marvel villain that comes close to the joker.

Sam Raimi

Bryan Singer

Brett Ratner



Oh, sorry. You meant fictional villian.

[Boom]

Sam Raimi

Bryan Singer

Brett Ratner



Oh, sorry. You meant fictional villian.
Don't forget Tim Story.

[Mr. Socko]

Sam Raimi

Bryan Singer

Brett Ratner



Oh, sorry. You meant fictional villian.


Bryan Singer has only made two films for Marvel, both were good.

[Bat-Mite]

Marvel has the best comic book villians.Laaaaame. Batman's villains all have complex psychological profiles, while Marvel villains are generally very two dimensional. Not that I'm biased or anything! :o

[RamboMarvel]

You can not find better characters than Magneto, Sabertooth, jigsaw, Kingpin. But I do agree on a realistic level that Joker is the best. The dark knight seems to be taking away the side of the joker that made him as cool as he was. Such as his humor

[TV's Frank]

Bryan Singer has only made two films for Marvel, both were good.

Yeah, I never forgave him for no Gambit.

He teased, but never delivered.
:woot:

[RamboMarvel]

Bryan Singer and Brett Ratner did a terrible job with the X-men movies. Bryan Singer destroyed the Superman franchise as well.

[TV's Frank]

You can not find better characters than Magneto, Sabertooth, jigsaw, Kingpin. But I do agree on a realistic level that Joker is the best. The dark knight seems to be taking away the side of the joker that made him as cool as he was. Such as his humor

Have you paid attention to anything about this Joker? Have you EVER paid attention to any Joker story?
:dry:

[Nepenthes]

Joker was voted the greatest comic book villain on all time in Wizard magazine about a year or so ago. They did a vote with the readers for the top 50 comic book villains, and Joker topped the poll :up:

do you remember who came second, third, fourth etc?


Batman's villains all have complex psychological profiles

jesus christ

[Figs]

You can not find better characters than Magneto, Sabertooth, jigsaw, Kingpin. But I do agree on a realistic level that Joker is the best. The dark knight seems to be taking away the side of the joker that made him as cool as he was. Such as his humor


We don't know that for sure just yet though. That laugh of his sounded pretty silly as well as maniacal in the teaser. I think there saving his full on smiles for the film instead of blowing it on these early pics we've gotten.

[TV's Frank]

Bryan Singer and Brett Ratner did a terrible job with the X-men movies. Bryan Singer destroyed the Superman franchise as well.

And that's another reason I hate him. He just started something new, but no he took a classic and tried to build and add to it only to fail miserably.

[Mr. Socko]

Bryan Singer and Brett Ratner did a terrible job with the X-men movies. Bryan Singer destroyed the Superman franchise as well.


I begin to wonder if you've ever seen X1 or X2...then I notice your post count and decide it's not worth arguing over:dry:

[TV's Frank]

I begin to wonder if you've ever seen X1 or X2...then I notice your post count and decide it's not worth arguing over:dry:

I should've looked too.

While I enjoyed X1 and X2. I just wanted Gambit because I thought he could come across amazing on the big screen. So I always remain a little disappointed.

SPEAKING OF POSTS!!!! What the hell happened to all of mine? I had a lot more than this.

[RamboMarvel]

This isn't an X-men thread but if it was I could spend all day telling you about the problems that I had with these films and how they didn't follow with comic book origins. Bryan Singer is a terrible film maker. Christopher Nolan and Sam Raimi did the best comic book adaptations

[Figs]

I should've looked too.

While I enjoyed X1 and X2. I just wanted Gambit because I thought he could come across amazing on the big screen. So I always remain a little disappointed.

SPEAKING OF POSTS!!!! What the hell happened to all of mine? I had a lot more than this.


Did you post anything ridiculous? Like "in before teh lock" in a thread that you knew would get locked. They tend to remove posts if you abuse it.

[hegele]

You can not find better characters than Magneto, Sabertooth, jigsaw, Kingpin. But I do agree on a realistic level that Joker is the best. The dark knight seems to be taking away the side of the joker that made him as cool as he was. Such as his humor

To be honest, I don't think its their intention to make him as fun and cool anymore. I think they want him to be ruthless and menacing.

[Bat-Mite]

jesus christOkay, okay. I guess I should've said that within the context of the comics they have complex psychological profiles. Ah well, I guess SHH just wouldn't be SHH without the nitpicking.

[RamboMarvel]

To be honest, I don't think its their intention to make him as fun and cool anymore. I think they want him to be ruthless and menacing.

I wish that they would have made the Joker more like the comics as far as the makeup is concerned. The Joker wasn't white because of makeup and that takes away from the charcter as far as comic book lovers are concerned

[TV's Frank]

Did you post anything ridiculous? Like "in before teh lock" in a thread that you knew would get locked. They tend to remove posts if you abuse it.

Nah, I mean it wasn't a huge amount, but it was at least 70 more.

And, I haven't had luck getting posts from an old account moved over either.

[Nepenthes]

Okay, okay. I guess I should've said that within the context of the comics they have complex psychological profiles. Ah well, I guess SHH just wouldn't be SHH without the nitpicking.

yes my apologies that was a stupid comment. I just woke up and my head feels like a dropped melon :csad: :O

[Paste Pot Pete]

Nah, I mean it wasn't a huge amount, but it was at least 70 more.

And, I haven't had luck getting posts from an old account moved over either.

If I could, I would donate my posts to you, just for having such an awesome username. :up:

[Bat-Mite]

yes my apologies that was a stupid comment. I just woke up and my head feels like a dropped melon :csad: :Olol.. it's alright dude. I've been in that position quite a lot myself.

[The Joker]

do you remember who came second, third, fourth etc?

I'm afraid I don't. It was over a year ago, and I have since thrown out that issue. But, I did scan Joker's panel from the list at the time:


http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc131/Jokerfan1980/WizardJoker1.jpg

[TV's Frank]

If I could, I would donate my posts to you, just for having such an awesome username. :up:

why thank you very much. :woot:

[cryptic name]

I wish that they would have made the Joker more like the comics as far as the makeup is concerned. The Joker wasn't white because of makeup and that takes away from the charcter as far as comic book lovers are concerned

i'm a comic book lover and the good possibility of joker only wearing makeup in the film doesn't bother me. nor have i seen any indication of them taking away his sense of humor. in my opinion their upping what his humor has always been about, he thinks life's a joke. death is funny to him, the misery of others is hysterical. who cares if he doesn't kill someone with a joy buzzer?

[Mr. Socko]

To be honest, I don't think its their intention to make him as fun and cool anymore. I think they want him to be ruthless and menacing.

I think that is where my problem lies. I like Joker being fun, cool, ruthless, and menacing as opposed to just the first two or just the last two. The Joker is the character that I, unfortunately, cheer for and have a great time watching/reading him doing his thing.

[CaptainClown]

I think that is where my problem lies. I like Joker being fun, cool, ruthless, and menacing as opposed to just the first two or just the last two. The Joker is the character that I, unfortunately, cheer for and have a great time watching/reading him doing his thing.

everyone loves a charismatic homicidal maniac.

[Nivek]

Okay, I have a question about the Joker thats not talking about Make-up, Skin color, or humor.

has there been any news that we will see the Joker Venom in TDK? I'm concerned about the rumor from a long time ago that he cuts a smile into his victims faces after he shoots/stabs them instead of using his trade mark Nerve gas/poison to kill people.

I just know that to me, that would be a major departure from the character, taking away his main weapon for 60 years and replacing it with something that even felt lame and out of place on the TV show Nip/Tuck.

But given how some fans are so open to Nolan doing anything (like Make-up instead of Bleached Skin) I know I will not stand for making Jokers trademark killing with some lame Chelsa Grin thing thats Garish, but not as intimidating as Laughing Yourself to Death.

[CaptainClown]

Eh I could see him do it, but I certainly like Joker venom better cause that seems like a slow agonizing death. We really have no idea how he is going to get rid of people. He probably is going to shoot them though.

[Nivek]

The face cutting comes across as pretty stale and lame though. Someone dying from laughing themselves to death for no obvious reason (at the time) is a hell of alot more scary than some guy with a clown fetish,pocket knife, and a torture hang up. It's also more traditional Joker.

[CaptainClown]

Well don't count on people getting their faces mutilated to be in the movie. I highly doubt it but again you never know.

[Art Damage]

To be honest, I don't think its their intention to make him as fun and cool anymore. I think they want him to be ruthless and menacing.

Which is fine with me! Like I've said before, past incarnations of the Joker..whether it be through cartoons or in the comic books have looked at Jack Nicholson's performance as some form of inspiration to use thier unique take. But I'm sure after everyone sees the Dark Knight we'll all have a new better idea of the 'clown' prince of crime.

[Nivek]

I'm just looking for some confirmation of whether Joker-Venom is used, because I dont want the Joker carving Chelsa-grins on people he killed. It's simply lame and been done before by lesser characters. But I fear the flock mentallity will drive the point that it's cool because they dont respect the character, and want something fresh and hip to do when they get Joker-wear at Hot-Topic.

[CaptainClown]

Well, there are a good portion of fans here that really don't want him carving smiles. there is also a good portion that doesn't like the idea of Joker venom. We shall see. The people are hot-topic will always be there and by not doing something won't stop them from doing it

[dark_b]

who is joker-venom?

[ActuallyRobin]

who is joker-venom?

please tell me that's a joker :p

[Nivek]

who is joker-venom?

Dark_b, it's the deadly laughing gas/poison Joker uses to kill people. :cwink:

[Nivek]

there is also a good portion that doesn't like the idea of Joker venom.

Considering this is a staple trademark of the character, I would like to hear from this "good portion" of people why they dont like it.

Are they the same people who dont want Batman to wear a cape and think he should use guns? Because it's about that bad.

[Crook]

While I admit I haven't actually read the comics in a long while, when was the last significant story arc that he did use Joker venom by injection?

I always remembered it as gas.

But the injection thing could be very creepy. Anyone watch Dexter and his creepy ritual of murdering people? :up:

[Chubby Chuckles]

Hello. I'm a brother from the IMDB message boards. Unfortunatly I cannot start a thread of my own over here. WTF???

Anyway I just wanted to share a couple of PM's fellow members got from a user named Rory's_Last_Laugh:

All I wanted was your friendship and to make you smile. Since I'm not on your friend list, I'll turn the other cheek by putting you on mine. 'Tis the season after all.

I just looooove the HOLIDAY season. All the red and the green and that first kiss I shared with a very special someone all those years ago. I love it so much that I've decided to make my presence known throughout all the world come December. My disciples have done a good job of doing just that, but they can't have all the fun! My New Year resolution is to make all the drones of society suffer a gauntlet of yuletime yucky yucks and grisly grotesque grins. Why wait? I'd rather start a month early. Besides, I'll be too busy bringing in the new year with a BANG!

A man of his word is a man with something to say. Since you have a lot to say, spread my word and POST it anywhere you can.

Do so or I'll make sure that the list with your name on it will not be a good one.

Remember, the best of SMILES are the ones you have others make for YOU. Life's a gas, now spread the smiles.

and

I want to thank you for being my bestest of friends from the very beginning! Since you've kept me on your friend list, I'll make sure that I return the favor by putting you on mine.

I just looooove the HOLIDAY season. All the red and the green and that first kiss I shared with a very special someone all those years ago. I love it so much that I've decided to make my presence known throughout all the world come December. My disciples have done a good job of doing just that, but they can't have all the fun! My New Year resolution is to make all the drones of society suffer a gauntlet of yuletime yucky yucks and grisly grotesque grins. Why wait? I'd rather start a month early.

Remember, the best of SMILES are the ones YOU make for others. Life's a gas, now spread the smiles.


This very well could be a troll, but the trolls we get at IMDB are too retarded to think of something like this so I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's legit.

Did any of you receive anything similar(or is the TDK board on IMDB better ;) ?)


anyway if some mod could turn this into a post of it's own, that would be great. I dont want it to get lost here.

[Nivek]

Wrong thread. Belongs in the 20 other Viral site threads.

[Chubby Chuckles]

Wrong thread. Belongs in the 20 other Viral site threads.


I'm a nub here so I don't know where it goes or what not. Just sharing some info.

[Nivek]

I'm a nub here so I don't know where it goes or what not. Just sharing some info.

And now you know. And knowing is half the battle.

While I admit I haven't actually read the comics in a long while, when was the last significant story arc that he did use Joker venom by injection?

I always remembered it as gas.

But the injection thing could be very creepy. Anyone watch Dexter and his creepy ritual of murdering people? :up:

Joker uses it in so many different ways, I cant really point out the last time he injected it.

And yes, I'm a big Dexter fan. But I like if the joker uses an injection method, to use a hand buzzer type device like in The Killing Joke. It's more of his style than sneaking up and sticking them in the neck.

[TKnight39]

Wrong thread Chubbs.


:batman:

[bkey]

Wrong thread Chubbs.


:batman:

lol. Welcome to the hype as well.

[jimmy]

Chubbs, indeed.

[CaptainClown]

Ahh I remember when I graduated from IMDB to SHH... it was a scary place...

[gwynplaine]

I'd love to see Richard Corben's version of the Joker, he did a superb Ghost Rider not too long ago. Big Corben fan.

[jimmy]

Bolland FTW.

[Mr. Socko]

Bolland FTW.

The best!

http://brianbollandgallery.com/art/1282_400x600.jpg

http://brianbollandgallery.com/art/last_laugh_num1_1.jpg

http://brianbollandgallery.com/art/last_laugh_num6_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/bigshow321/Batman/98347joker400aw2.jpg

[gwynplaine]

The best!

http://brianbollandgallery.com/art/1282_400x600.jpg

http://brianbollandgallery.com/art/last_laugh_num1_1.jpg

http://brianbollandgallery.com/art/last_laugh_num6_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/bigshow321/Batman/98347joker400aw2.jpg
Bolland is indeed the best. His Judge Death is the sssecond mossst beautiful villain ever drawn, I'll let you guess who the first one is:woot: .
On another note, I would love to see Richard Corben (another master)'s version of the Joker.

[gwynplaine]

Oh and I'd love to see Bolland's version (not the manips they're cool, but I'm talking about the real deal) of the Heath Joker and I would also love for him to draw a teaser poster( not the actual poster just a teaser one) for TDK.:woot:

[Skullseeker]

Hi Guyz, first post so please go easy on me.........

The Dark Clown..............Mr.J

On the question of wether or not the Joker should use his trade mark nerve agent on his victims in TDK or cut 'em a chelsea grin, my answer is simple......go and read the comic series 'death in the family' (about 410-414), this is where Robin (Tim Drake) finally gets to meet Mr.J and he is a bit more 'physical' with the boy than some of you care to remember ! If memory serves me right I believe he single handedly beats him to death, now thats the modern joker i know. The idea of his trade mark nerve gas is true but you gotta think on a bigger scale, much like Burton did with the first film with good ol' Jack Nicholson.
Nolan is trying to bring Batman into the 21st century and as I see it he is doing a good job, I think what we may see is a reborn Joker to battle alongside the modern day Batman.
As to the question of makeup.......who cares ! I do not care wether he has to wear makeup or it is a permanent cosmetic look and I think that anybody that is so concerned about that should really try to get out more and retake his place in Human society or is it just another way of taking pot shots at the director ?
Finally, my only concern is that TDK might finish with the death of the Joker (please Lord, NO NO NO), thats where Burton went wrong and why the comics have always been better. There is no cage that can hold him, no man that can stand in his way and he is single minded when it comes to the Bat and this film (TDK) would be a great introduction to the world of the greatest and most feared mass murdering clown in history.......I want more than Burton gave us, I want Batman's nemesis to rise to the heady hieghts of meglomaniac, but most of all.....I wanna see The Dark Knight pushed to his boundaries, questioning his self, losing those around him to the Dark Clown that is the JOKER !

[gwynplaine]

Hi Guyz, first post so please go easy on me.........

The Dark Clown..............Mr.J

On the question of wether or not the Joker should use his trade mark nerve agent on his victims in TDK or cut 'em a chelsea grin, my answer is simple......go and read the comic series 'death in the family' (about 410-414), this is where Robin (Tim Drake) finally gets to meet Mr.J and he is a bit more 'physical' with the boy than some of you care to remember ! If memory serves me right I believe he single handedly beats him to death, now thats the modern joker i know. The idea of his trade mark nerve gas is true but you gotta think on a bigger scale, much like Burton did with the first film with good ol' Jack Nicholson.
Nolan is trying to bring Batman into the 21st century and as I see it he is doing a good job, I think what we may see is a reborn Joker to battle alongside the modern day Batman.
As to the question of makeup.......who cares ! I do not care wether he has to wear makeup or it is a permanent cosmetic look and I think that anybody that is so concerned about that should really try to get out more and retake his place in Human society or is it just another way of taking pot shots at the director ?
Finally, my only concern is that TDK might finish with the death of the Joker (please Lord, NO NO NO), thats where Burton went wrong and why the comics have always been better. There is no cage that can hold him, no man that can stand in his way and he is single minded when it comes to the Bat and this film (TDK) would be a great introduction to the world of the greatest and most feared mass murdering clown in history.......I want more than Burton gave us, I want Batman's nemesis to rise to the heady hieghts of meglomaniac, but most of all.....I wanna see The Dark Knight pushed to his boundaries, questioning his self, losing those around him to the Dark Clown that is the JOKER !
Good first post. Welcome to the Hype. And I doubt the Joker will die in TDK, they won't make the same mistake twice IMO.

[Luchastyle]

indeed gwyn. indeed. welcome skullseeker.

[gwynplaine]

indeed gwyn. indeed. welcome skullseeker.
Hi Lucha, always a pleasure to see you (and your new great avvy) on the Hype.

[Venom 1988]

go and read the comic series 'death in the family' (about 410-414), this is where Robin (Tim Drake) finally gets to meet Mr.J and he is a bit more 'physical' with the boy than some of you care to remember ! If memory serves me right I believe he single handedly beats him to death
Correction: Jason Todd

[Mr. Socko]

Oh and I'd love to see Bolland's version (not the manips they're cool, but I'm talking about the real deal) of the Heath Joker and I would also love for him to draw a teaser poster( not the actual poster just a teaser one) for TDK.:woot:

I agree, that would look great. These days hand drawn posters just don't come around as much as they should!

Good first post Skullseeker, welcome to the Hype.

[gwynplaine]

I agree, that would look great. These days hand drawn posters just don't come around as much as they should!

Good first post Skullseeker, welcome to the Hype.
Yeah, I wish they would do more of those like they use to.

[Luchastyle]

Hi Lucha, always a pleasure to see you (and your new great avvy) on the Hype.
thanks gwyny =D always good to see you, and your classic gwynplaine avvy.

[bkey]

I agree, that would look great. These days hand drawn posters just don't come around as much as they should!

Good first post Skullseeker, welcome to the Hype.

The Star Wars posters are hand drawn.

[Mr. Socko]

The Star Wars posters are hand drawn.


Star Wars, Hellboy, Indy Jones, Pan's Labyrinth, Harry Potter 1 & 2. All of those hand drawn posters were done by Struzan who is the very best at what he does. But the thing is, these days they're few and far between. Most posters are all done digitally. Guillermo Del Toro is one of the few filmmakers of this generation that still uses hand drawn posters for his films.

It's a style that should definitely come back. I'd love to see one for a Batman movie :up:

[Memphis Slim]

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/jokerbig.jpghttp://www.bigfanboy.com/pages/interviews/michaelkeaton/keaton-beetlejuice.jpg


BROTHERS??????? :woot:

[Luchastyle]

yeah. didn't you get the memo?

[Mr. Socko]

That's what scares me Slim, that's what scares me. . .

But I did not realize it was that apparent http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1276/hahahahaha1au8.png

[Memphis Slim]

Bryan Singer and Brett Ratner did a terrible job with the X-men movies. Bryan Singer destroyed the Superman franchise as well.


Singer's problem is that he rehashed the old Donner formula instead of coming fresh!! :cmad:

[El Payaso]

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/jokerbig.jpghttp://www.bigfanboy.com/pages/interviews/michaelkeaton/keaton-beetlejuice.jpg


BROTHERS??????? :woot:

Welcome to my club. :)

But actually the previous pic was the one.

EDIT: Oh and it's "Hey... hermano!"

[darknight7]

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/jokerbig.jpghttp://www.bigfanboy.com/pages/interviews/michaelkeaton/keaton-beetlejuice.jpg


BROTHERS??????? :woot:

I made this connection once upon a time lol...

--dk7

[jimmy]

Brothers from another mother.

[American_Idiot]

It's a different Joker than I'm used to, but I can dig it.

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/photos/thedarkknight/thedarkknight13.jpg

[Memphis Slim]

It's a different Joker than I'm used to, but I can dig it.

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/photos/thedarkknight/thedarkknight13.jpg

Is this a scene from the movie???

[jimmy]

Say BYE BYE BYE!

[lixdexia]

yo, am gq, you're about to be banned if you don't take that pic down, it's banned...

[Luchastyle]

i don't know jimbo, people have been posted em like there's no tomorrow. i think it's an unofficial lift of the ban. i still wouldn't do it, but i don't think it'll be a problem.

and yes memphis. that's from the movie.

[jimmy]

I know people are posting them like crazy, but I don't think the mods have objective standards on whether we can actually post them or not.

[Luchastyle]

yeah. i wouldn't do it. but...i'm not worried about it.

[darknight7]

Someone should PM the main MOD around these parts and find out if those pics are allowed now

--dk7

[darknight7]

A part of me wonders if those pics were part of the viral campaign.

Come on, how would ALL OF THOSE get leaked? lol...

It sounds like something WB would do, put them all on the net for a day and than take them off and say they were leaked...

I bet you we were SET UP!

--dk7

[gwynplaine]

He looks good when he is kicking Batman. Much skinnier than on the Wizard cover, which I also like. That purple coat is so cool.
Is he kicking a fake Batman BTW ?(he looks a bit defenseless).

[jimmy]

That looks like the real Batman to me.

[TheBatman072]

He looks good when he is kicking Batman. Much skinnier than on the Wizard cover, which I also like. That purple coat is so cool.
Is he kicking a fake Batman BTW ?(he looks a bit defenseless).


No, that's the new Batsuit.

[Magenta666]

yeah, the sectioning of the armor and the fact that i still get a slight bobble head vibe from it tells me that its the real thing

[gwynplaine]

No, that's the new Batsuit.
Oh, OK. He looks tiny.

[jimmy]

Oh, OK. He looks tiny.

TWSS.

[gwynplaine]

TWSS.
LOl.

[jimmy]

HEY! You use TEOL when in the Batman forum, GOT IT?!

[gwynplaine]

HEY! You use TEOL when in the Batman forum, GOT IT?!
LOl.:woot:

[Matt Mortem]

I wonder if that henchman is aware that he's gonna get knocked on his ass soon

[Magenta666]

where exactly is J aiming for there? it looks like the side of his hip...?

[WompuM]

Does this pic make anyone else think ol' bats gets his new suit EEEEARLY in the movie? I mean, Joker is still very very white at this point.

[jimmy]

where exactly is J aiming for there? it looks like the side of his hip...?

His Kidneys.

[fcrowelle06]

It's a different Joker than I'm used to, but I can dig it.

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/photos/thedarkknight/thedarkknight13.jpg


Did anyone think that maybe...just maybe (and yes I could be wrong) that that's a fake batman getting kicked in the crotch...anyone

[Lead_Tester]

The Joker Rules

[gwynplaine]

Did anyone think that maybe...just maybe (and yes I could be wrong) that that's a fake batman getting kicked in the crotch...anyone
I just asked the same question but apparently no.

[Magenta666]

nope

[jimmy]

Apparently, that's Batman when Joker crashes Bruce Wayne's party.

[Lead_Tester]

Will this movie suck if the joker is killed at the end?

[Venom 1988]

Did anyone think that maybe...just maybe (and yes I could be wrong) that that's a fake batman getting kicked in the crotch...anyone
No :dry:

[Magenta666]

i thought it was established that he doesnt, wasnt their a Nolan quote somewhere saying something like "if they dont die in the comic, they dont die in the move"

[gwynplaine]

Maybe he drowns in a vat of chemicals.:woot:

[jimmy]

Will this movie suck if the joker is killed at the end?

Maybe he fakes his own death -- like Jim Gordon. :huh:

[WompuM]

They could at least make the deaths ambiguous... unlike what Burton pulled.

[OSM]

He drowns in a vat of chemicals.:woot:
That would be interesting. He runs around in make up the whole movie, then gets his make up perma bleached on his face after falling in chemicals at some point.

[Magenta666]

they might do the classic, he fell down off of someplace high and no one bothered to see where he landed bit.

[WompuM]

People would still *****.

[OSM]

Joker will not die in TDK. If he does I'm eating my left foot, and posting pics of it.

[WompuM]

come on dude. 21st century. video. please.

[OSM]

come on dude. 21st century. video. please.
Oh fine.

[WompuM]

thats my boy. now. fill you cut off your foot first or just start nawing?

[xero1186]

Will this movie suck if the joker is killed at the end?

Yes. Yes this movie will suck hard for me if they kill off the joker. It's my only complaint with Batman 89.

[OSM]

thats my boy. now. fill you cut off your foot first or just start nawing?
I'm eating it raw. Only weak men use tools and kitchenware.

[Mr. Socko]

Joker won't die, he'll probably end up in Arkham.

[gcarlfrancis09]

hell no the joker wont die, i doubt nolan would pull that move, its too much of a classic comic book/video game style deal where the boss dies at the end in a big finale. Ras al Ghul's death was a bit different, contrast that with the other villain death finales in the other films and its obvious nolan wont pull an 'epic shot of the villain falling into an abyss' shot.

maybe they'll remain true to the comics and have joker get stabbed, only for him to escape later on at the hospital or in the ambulance, a la hannibal lecter? thatd be rad.

[gcarlfrancis09]

u know, the bomb in the gut thing is close enough to the fake tooth for me to be satisfied...the false tooth thing is a bit 'unrealistic', a bit too 'gag-ish' for nolan's world maybe, but with the bomb in the gut, id say thats a nice tip off to the comics without sacrificing the 'realism' or 'verisimilitude' or whatever.

[xero1186]

Joker won't die, he'll probably end up in Arkham.

That would be ideal.

[Bat-Mite]

Did anyone think that maybe...just maybe (and yes I could be wrong) that that's a fake batman getting kicked in the crotch...anyoneI don't think it is simply because Batman's suit looks too fancy there. The fake Batmen wear trash bags and stuff. lol, not really, but they do look ghetto compared to the real Batman.

[Lead_Tester]

Yeah I know but just Think....

If he dies.

Would u be mad?

[xero1186]

Joker dying would be the equivalent to a great story ending with "and it was all a dream."

[Bat-Mite]

I would be pissed as hell, especially since Nolan said he's not going to be killing the villains off. I can understand why Burton killed the Joker, since he thought that it might be the only Batman movie, so he wanted it to have closure. Nolan knows that's not the case with his movies, so he has absolutely no reason to kill the Joker. But I wouldn't mind seeing Bats beat him to within an inch of his life before he drags him off to Arkham.

[Eggyman]

Yeah I know but just Think....

If he dies.

Would u be mad?

You were the last person to post on this page; I haven't looked at any posts before or after this one has been created. However, if you are indeed talking about The Joker (since this is a Joker thread), then I would be pi$$ed at that very much. Batman needs the ying to his yang.

[xero1186]

Would anyone object to a certain Harley Quinzell busting the joker out of arkham?

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Would anyone object to a certain Harley Quinzell busting the joker out of arkham?

Me. I'd rather not see her in the first 3. If anyone resembling Harley decides to assist Joker in escaping, I'd rather see him take her out after she released him. Just makes him that much scarier. Of course, if the belly buster stuff is true, Joker won't need his scandinavian sex slave at all.

---Morzan

[El Payaso]

Would anyone object to a certain Harley Quinzell busting the joker out of arkham?

*raises hand*

[DaddyGrayson]

Joker dying would be the equivalent to a great story ending with "and it was all a dream."

QFT

That **** pisses me off to no end when they do that. Just like if they killed the Joker, it would piss me off to no end. I really, REALLY hope they don't... but I'm kinda wondering how this movie's gonna end, especially with the no perma-white thing.

[CaptainClown]

*raises hand*

(also raises hand)

[DaddyGrayson]

Really? I kinda like Harley... but not in a Nolan film, I suppose.

[CaptainClown]

Harley imo makes Joker toned down. Only time she was any good was in Return of the Joker, but she got kinda annoying as well. A good Harley is a quiet Harley

[DaddyGrayson]

Harley imo makes Joker toned down. Only time she was any good was in Return of the Joker, but she got kinda annoying as well. A good Harley is a quiet Harley

Harley could do some pretty twisted **** to impress the Joker though. At least this crazy, pyscho serial killer Joker. And with Heath playing him, what girl WOULDN'T wanna be Harley?

[CaptainClown]

I wouldn't, he would use me as a human shield. You know he would.

[DaddyGrayson]

You and I aren't girls, CC. Hehe

[LostSon88]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a80845/caine-ledgers-joker-is-stunning.html

So Michael Caine said there's a scene in the movie where he and Bruce watch a threatening video sent by the Joker...

When I read that, TAS popped in my head. I can't wait to see this scene!!!

[DaddyGrayson]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a80845/caine-ledgers-joker-is-stunning.html

So Michael Caine said there's a scene in the movie where he and Bruce watch a threatening video sent by the Joker...

When I read that, TAS popped in my head. I can't wait to see this scene!!!

Really? I thought B89.

[CaptainClown]

You and I aren't girls, CC. Hehe

well if I was Joker that would be one thing that I would do to her

[LostSon88]

That never really popped in my head probably because in that particular scene of the 89' film, it didn't give me the Joker vibe with Napier in his flesh colored makeup, etc. He wasn't really in "Joker" mode in that particular scene ie he was calm and collected...

But when I heard this, I imagine Heath being balls to the wall psycho, Joker style...laugh and everything. Thus why the scene from TAS, the Christmas episode, specifically, immediately came to mind.

[DaddyGrayson]

well if I was Joker that would be one thing that I would do to her

Oh I'd expect him to. But seeing as she's so infatuated with him she wouldn't see it coming. And would probably excuse it later.

[Memphis Slim]

I agree......come on! Bruce trained with Assassins! How is that fat guy holding him? Let alone, lay a hand on him??

[SuperJAK]

I agree......come on! Bruce trained with Assassins! How is that fat guy holding him? Let alone, lay a hand on him??I've always thought that was a fake Batman. But if it is really Batman, then there goes Nolan's 'realism' angle ;)

[dark_b]

how could it be a fake batman if he has the new suit on?

[SuperJAK]

how could it be a fake batman if he has the new suit on?
I assumed it was a fake Batman because the suit looks terrible in that picture.

[itsthebatman]

Well, it's definitely the new suit. Anyway, we're looking at that one picture out of context. Remember the start of BB, where Bruce beats up six or seven prisoners? And the four of Ra's pawns at the end? I hardly think they're going to downgrade his skills so that he is beaten up by just Joker and Grumpy the clown. Perhaps Joker has gassed him, or done something to weaken him right before this shot.

[dark_b]

Well, it's definitely the new suit. Anyway, we're looking at that one picture out of context. Remember the start of BB, where Bruce beats up six or seven prisoners? And the four of Ra's pawns at the end? I hardly think they're going to downgrade his skills so that he is beaten up by just Joker and Grumpy the clown. Perhaps Joker has gassed him, or done something to weaken him right before this shot.they will had to power him down. because bruce was trained by the best. he is a fighting machine.
he owns a member of ''league of the shadow'' in 2 minutes. he would own joker and hes henchmens in 1 second plus he has a fight suit on.

they just need to power him down if they want a normal fight.

[Uncle_Ben]

I've always thought that was a fake Batman. But if it is really Batman, then there goes Nolan's 'realism' angle ;)

He must be paralysed, out of balance or something that prevents him from being on top of his opponent? Maybe Joker used some of his laughing gas of fear toxin on him...

[The Redux 714]

I think that scene is gonna play out something close to the Chruch tower from Batman 89:

Joker comes busting in, creepy lookin', screaming his head off (like ya do), and Batman is gonna pop up. Joker, being the guy he is, is distracting enough to Batman that the goon can grab him. Rather quickly, Joker comes a-runnin', and kicks Batsy in the gut, only to sart hopping around on one foot, moaning in pain.

If that's not the case, I don't think it matters how much training Bruce has had. Joker is not a pysical threat in the sense Batman is. Joker will kill you, yes, but Batsy has this thing where he beats you within an inch of your life. It doesn't mater how much ninja training Batman has, he will always take Joker out in one punch. The trick, however, is landing that one punch.

Joker is a mind-f***er. He's scary to normal people in the same way Batman is scary to bad guys. Joker's trick, though, is that he;s still unsettling to other "freaks" and even Batman on occasion. Joker may just be getting the drop on Batman here; maybe it's their first run-in? (his mae-up is still largly intact)

I don't think we need to read into this as much as we are...

[SpiderB]

Come on now, Batman can't be untouchable all the time. He has to be caught off guard sometimes to keep the action interesting. If you really need justification, just think of it the way The Redux explained it up there. The Joker is so bizarre that Bruce is momentarily distracted by him.

[ronny]

I don't care what anyone says. A street fighter will always beat a martial artist in a straight-up brawl. Plus, psychosis brings with it it's own stregth.

[dark_b]

its over.
heath is the perfect joker
http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/Batman&Joker.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/2079985289_aeca865640_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27286063@N00/2079985405/

[dark_b]

so why does the joker not paint hes neck white? why ?
and why?

[Hunter Rider]

I don't care what anyone says. A street fighter will always beat a martial artist in a straight-up brawl. Plus, psychosis brings with it it's own stregth.

No they wouldn't, if a guy is highly trained in how to hurt he will beat a brawler every time.

[strikezone89]

No they wouldn't, if a guy is highly trained in how to hurt he will beat a brawler every time.

i wouldn't mind his hr. i think he forgot to wear his helmet this morning

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

I've always thought that was a fake Batman. But if it is really Batman, then there goes Nolan's 'realism' angle ;)

Not necessarily. Perhaps Batman is gonna toss the clown mask goon over his shoulder. As he's lifting the thug, Joker takes a cheap shot at Batman.

---Morzan

[Mr. Socko]

its over.
heath is the perfect joker
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/2079985289_aeca865640_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27286063@N00/2079985405/


These honestly aren't helping the cause much for me, Db.

But if that's the perfect joker for you, that's awesome then. You guys have been waiting a damn long time, Summer '08 is just around the corner. :up:

[Untilteld]

In Before The Banz

[El Payaso]

Yeah. Where's the "You know how to fight six men. We will teach you to engage six hundred" warranty?

Wayne should ask Ra's a refund!

[Lunar_Wolf]

Yeah. Where's the "You know how to fight six men. We will teach you to engage six hundred" warranty?

Wayne should ask Ra's a refund!
Maybe Joker buzzed him or something before hand.

[WompuM]

Hunter, those pics still banned or no?

[sdc10]

Yeah. Where's the "You know how to fight six men. We will teach you to engage six hundred" warranty?

Wayne should ask Ra's a refund!
I know i mean no one should lay a hand on batman, i mean the entire movie should just be him walking up to people and punching them, just so we can avoid the fact that no one should touch him

[Octoberist]

Hunter, those pics still banned or no?

those pix are probably as illegal as the new promo pix. I think.

[MiniBond]

those pix are probably as illegal as the new promo pix. I think.
Seems you can't avoid being double crossed !!!!!:cwink: :cwink: :cwink:

[Mr. Superhero]

There's obviously going to be a reasonable explanation as to why Batman is being restrained by some Joker thug.

That picture tells us nothing.

[El Payaso]

I know i mean no one should lay a hand on batman, i mean the entire movie should just be him walking up to people and punching them, just so we can avoid the fact that no one should touch him

Wow, that sounds like an incredible lack of imagination.

[CaptainClown]

ya, if no villain can hurt Batman that would make for a really boring movie. Also Batman could be under the effect of the fear toxin or something

[Art Damage]

its over.
heath is the perfect joker

Understatement of the year. :oldrazz:

[regwec]

so why does the joker not paint hes neck white? why ?
and why?
Because it is more annoying if he doesn't.

[gwynplaine]

so why does the joker not paint hes neck white? why ?
and why?
Maybe because clowns don't usually paint their necks ? (except for sad clowns who are permawhite:woot: )

[Nivek]

Maybe because clowns don't usually paint their necks ? (except for sad clowns who are permawhite:woot: )

Clowns paint up everything. Mimes paint only their faces. Joker here has more mime to him than Clown.

[gwynplaine]

Clowns paint up everything. Mimes paint only their faces. Joker here has more mime to him than Clown.
Everything ? Your clown knowledge surpasses mine, Sir:woot: .
Clowns, mimes, I find them both creepy anyway.

[DaddyGrayson]

You know, Michael Caine said something about Heath putting the make-up on to disguise himself at the beginning of the movie and just letting it rot. I was just thinking about this, and it's got me a little worried. I don't want a Joker that becomes Joker just because he was dressed up as a birthday clown while robbing a bank, and got too lazy to wash the make-up off. If that happens, I will be displeased...

[dark_b]

Clowns paint up everything. Mimes paint only their faces. Joker here has more mime to him than Clown.
thats eexactly what i thought. clowns paint everything. a mine paitns only hes face.
so why not the neck?

there needs to be a twist.

[smatt584]

Everything ? Your clown knowledge surpasses mine, Sir:woot: .
Clowns, mimes, I find them both creepy anyway.
especially ones that paint their genitals :ninja:

[Beanjuice]

especially ones that paint their genitals :ninja:



:dry: i want to laugh....but i cant...because ive actually seen that.

[shapeshifter]

:dry: i want to laugh....but i cant...because ive actually seen that.
yikes:wow:

[The Caped Knight]

its over.
heath is the perfect joker
http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/Batman&Joker.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/2079985289_aeca865640_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27286063@N00/2079985405/


I love the batsuit . The Joker looks totally insane . :wow:

[ARachnidPK]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/lsharma/jokeredit.jpg


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/lsharma/jokerwallpaper.jpg


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/lsharma/JOKERwallpap.jpg


just goofing around with the leaked promo pictures.

[Bat-Mite]

Clowns paint up everything. Mimes paint only their faces. Joker here has more mime to him than Clown.
thats eexactly what i thought. clowns paint everything. a mine paitns only hes face.
so why not the neck?

there needs to be a twist.
Wow. Have you guys been to many circuses in your life? I went to them all the time when I was a kid, and the amount of paint on the clowns varied. Yeah, some clowns paint themselves up completely, or paint up their entire face and wear white gloves. But a lot of clowns (especially the older ones, I noticed) would only paint parts of their face up. I remember that a lot of the clowns I saw looked something like this:

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1586151/2/istockphoto_1586151_circus_clown.jpg

And the famous tramp clowns like Emmett Kelly oftentimes wore even less makeup than that. It's not that important, I guess. I'm just surprised that you guys have never seen a clown that wasn't completely painted up.

[Mr. Socko]

:dry: i want to laugh....but i cant...because ive actually seen that.


Please.................................tell us more.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1276/hahahahaha1au8.png

[JayTee]

Joker isnt just any old clown or mime, he's suppose to be a JOKER as in playing cards. He's not THE JOKER if he looks like frikkin Bozo.

[gwynplaine]

Joker isnt just any old clown or mime, he's suppose to be a JOKER as in playing cards. He's not THE JOKER if he looks like frikkin Bozo.
Or Pogo the clown aka John Wayne Gacy.:woot:

[banksethan]

I think they really nedd to make the Joker scary, because this a dude who can and will get away with anything, its not a moral decision for him to kill people with laughs, this is the JOKER, and hes gotta be the ultimate nasty, otherwise its like saying Batman isnt heroic.

Because Batman and Joker are parallels, Batman is a kick-ass Hero, and the Joker is a deranged psychopath, gotta have both and not just one.

Overall though, I think the new look is pretty cool, I just hope they really pull out the scare factor with Joker.

[Luchastyle]

i got a joker question. who here thinks robinson helped create the joker?

and who thinks finger and kane created him? i find it hard to believe that robinson's design just HAPPENED to look EXACTLY like Gwynplaine from The Man Who Laughs.

so i think robinson is kind of a liar. i believe kane's version of the story i think. thoughts?

[Crook]

Didn't realize there were 2 different stories about the creation. I know I heard Kane cite one influence, and Robinson cited another, but that was to the extent of the character discrepancy I was aware of.

Got links to them?

[jimmy]

The Joker was created from a tear in Bob Kane's eye while he was dreaming.

[Luchastyle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kane
just quotes on bob kane's wikipage. basically robinson says he drew it based on a joker card he had, and he says finger said it looked like the man who laughs. and then kane says he and finger based if off of veidt and then robinson just drew them or gave them a joker card which they used in a few issues.

[CrypticOne]

Originally Posted by Phoenix2088
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b169/Kartoffelkopf/SHFFRPZ1293129-1.jpg

Originally Posted by JackBauer24
Joker #1
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/tfjoker.jpg

Can I get this pic, without the words?

[Crook]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kane
just quotes on bob kane's wikipage. basically robinson says he drew it based on a joker card he had, and he says finger said it looked like the man who laughs. and then kane says he and finger based if off of veidt and then robinson just drew them or gave them a joker card which they used in a few issues.
Hm, lools like both have the same general idea, but are mixing up which event came first. Sounds to me like Bill is the only one that would be able to clarify the entire situation.

[Nepenthes]

new Joker smiley!

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g74/ngorsh01/tdksmiley.gif

i hate that blue face one :cmad:

[gwynplaine]

Interesting. All I know for sure is that he looks more like Veidt than like any Joker card I've ever seen. But then again, Veidt or rather Gwynplaine had the cut smile courtesy of the evil comprachicos, where the Joker didn't have the permasmile. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

[Luchastyle]

Hm, lools like both have the same general idea, but are mixing up which event came first. Sounds to me like Bill is the only one that would be able to clarify the entire situation.
yeah. perhaps that's what it is.

new Joker smiley!

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g74/ngorsh01/tdksmiley.gif

i hate that blue face one :cmad:
and yes, that blue face one is garbage, you should send yours in to all the mods. see if they can get it added.

[Luchastyle]

Interesting. All I know for sure is that he looks more like Veidt than like any Joker card I've ever seen. But then again, Veidt or rather Gwynplaine had the cut smile courtesy of the evil comprachoicos, where the Joker didn't have the permasmile.
yeah, we're talkin about the look though, not the character. when he smiled in that first issue, he looked JUST LIKE veidt. no two ways about it.

[gwynplaine]

yeah, we're talkin about the look though, not the character. when he smiled in that first issue, he looked JUST LIKE veidt. no two ways about it.
Yeah, a mysterious origin for a mysterious and wonderful character.

[Luchastyle]

heh. indeed

[Lunar_Wolf]

Costume designer Linda Hemming described the Joker's look as being based around his personality, in which "he doesn't care about himself at all." She avoided his design being vagrant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagrancy_%28people%29), but nonetheless it is "scruffier, grungier and therefore when you see him move, he's slightly twitchier or edgy." The clown make-up is minimal; it only took an hour to apply to Ledger on each day of shooting, and the character is merely exaggerating his facial scarring. He never removes his make-up, and during the course of the film it worsens, resembling an infection

[bkey]

Costume designer Linda Hemming described the Joker's look as being based around his personality, in which "he doesn't care about himself at all." She avoided his design being vagrant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagrancy_%28people%29), but nonetheless it is "scruffier, grungier and therefore when you see him move, he's slightly twitchier or edgy." The clown make-up is minimal; it only took an hour to apply to Ledger on each day of shooting, and the character is merely exaggerating his facial scarring. He never removes his make-up, and during the course of the film it worsens, resembling an infection

This is a very interesting take on the Joker, but from what I've seen I really like the route they've taken. I'm excited to see how he will look in action.

[El Payaso]

Costume designer Linda Hemming described the Joker's look as being based around his personality, in which "he doesn't care about himself at all."

OH?

[SuperJAK]

OH?Doesn't sound very much like the Joker.

[The Joker]

The only thing Joker actually does give a damn about is himself.

[CaptainClown]

Ya, I like a vain Joker, but thats cool. This is more like anarchist Joker

[TheCaptain]

Yeah that's disappointing. The vanity is an important part of his character.

[CaptainClown]

well its not that vital.

1. joker gets slashed in the face and pulls back "NOT THE FACE" (yes like american psycho) getting really angry.

2. Joker gets slashed in the face and laughs and continues forward continuing getting slashed laughing the whole time

both are intense in their own respect.

[Mr. Socko]

This movie ain't going to be The Joker's Vanity hour...but it's all good and dandy.

as much as I wanted it to :ninja: