The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[ghost_x]

I refer to his insanity from the perspective of the other characters, the Joker himself would consider his mental state more in the line of how it aids his plans/thoughts/motives

[Nepenthes]

I refer to his insanity from the perspective of the other characters

no problem I wasn't challenging you, just saying


the Joker himself would consider his mental state more in the line of how it aids his plans/thoughts/motives

exactly. He gets away with too much to be properly insane. Scarecrow and the Hatter on the other hand? absolutely bonkers.

[bane]

My new Ledger manip:
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9320/ledgerno1.jpg

[Carmine Falcone]

Cool. I hope he will wear a hat like that

[ghost_x]

no problem I wasn't challenging you, just saying




exactly. He gets away with too much to be properly insane. Scarecrow and the Hatter on the other hand? absolutely bonkers.

lol, I know you weren't challenging me, we were just discussing different ends of the spectrum.

I believe his madness is what keeps him alive, keeps him aware of his enemies. Such as when he believed he killed Batman in Legends Of The Dark Knight, he actually attempted to live as a normal human being, as he couldn't cope without the idea of an equal intellect as a foe.

[ghost_x]

My new Ledger manip:
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9320/ledgerno1.jpg

Whats Lex about?

[ghost_x]

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/4708/jokeronesheetgf6.jpg

[Nepenthes]

Such as when he believed he killed Batman in Legends Of The Dark Knight, he actually attempted to live as a normal human being, as he couldn't cope without the idea of an equal intellect as a foe.

??? What issue? Do you remember the writer/artist that sounds cool.

[ghost_x]

Trying to go through thousands of comics to find a couple of issues, wow thats a few days job. Telling you the specific writer and artist on that story is also going to be difficult unless I can find the issue because that run of comics pretty much had a different artist and writer on most issues. I'll skim through my collection in hope that it's near the top to see if I can help you. The title was something like Getting Sane, I know it was a reference to what Joker was experiencing.

It's a great comic though, and If you could ever pick up a copy I highly recommend it.

[Paste Pot Pete]

??? What issue? Do you remember the writer/artist that sounds cool.

It's an arc called "Going Sane" - Legends of the Dark Knight #65-68.

[ghost_x]

good memory

[Paste Pot Pete]

good memory

I just happened to be recently looking for it. :woot:

[ghost_x]

I seriously need to somehow categorize my comics. At the moment they're merely in a each draw is different publisher, which is not a useful way of order. I can never find any specifics, if I'm in the mood to read a classic I will just place my hand in and pick out whatever I can find. I was reading through 'War Games' recently, I was never mad on it.

[itsthebatman]

I seriously need to somehow categorize my comics. At the moment they're merely in a each draw is different publisher, which is not a useful way of order. I can never find any specifics, if I'm in the mood to read a classic I will just place my hand in and pick out whatever I can find. I was reading through 'War Games' recently, I was never mad on it.

Well, my collection is mainly Batman, so they're in continuity for the most part, except my hardback editions of TLH and DV, which start things off, then Year One, Monster Men, all the LOTDK stuff, up to Killing Joke, which goes all the way through to Face the Face, then the Elseworlds stuff, including DKR.
Man, I'm anal. Lucky I have a very patient wife:woot: .

[millennium movies]

So every comic book adaption must scream 'comic book!' at it's audience. Wham Bam Pow? Why can't it just be a movie? If you want something 'cool' go watch Sin City or Hellboy once more. There's plenty of those comic book movies out there, and guess what....most of them are shiiit and they get no real respect. Batman's already been there, move on.

Seems to me like you've got blinders on. If that's all you can picture as a good adaptation, then that's just too bad. Your saying movies like Sin City, 300, V for Vendetta were crap? The general mass as well as critics and those comic's fans seems to dissagree with you. Those are perfect examples of both great adaptations, faithfull in look and storyline and good movies for general audiences. I dont know what your point was in your response other than to annoy.

This excuse is getting pathetic. Why does every "fanboy" see so damn black and white? If its not Nolan's vision the only other way is B&R/Batman (Adam West) to you people. Thats just pure sillyness. Look at the comic world, its been portrayed in so many different visual styles/themes. I can't wait to see how your all going to turn against Nolan once the next successfull trilogy comes after Nolan's is over. It's like its cool to hate the past.

EDIT: Changed the first phrase...

[SilentType]

Seems to me like you got a horse's vision. You know when they put something on its head so it can only see straight ahead? Binders. They are called blinders. As in "You've got blinders on", which, I believe, is what you were going for.

[millennium movies]

Thanks SilentType! I'll edit my post.

[ghost_x]

Well, my collection is mainly Batman, so they're in continuity for the most part, except my hardback editions of TLH and DV, which start things off, then Year One, Monster Men, all the LOTDK stuff, up to Killing Joke, which goes all the way through to Face the Face, then the Elseworlds stuff, including DKR.
Man, I'm anal. Lucky I have a very patient wife:woot: .

See I'm certain it would be far easier if I only had to worry about One Character and One publisher.

[itsthebatman]

See I'm certain it would be far easier if I only had to worry about One Character and One publisher.

I have one bookcase dedicated entirely to comics, mainly TPBs and GNs. After the Bat stuff, it goes into Superman/Batman, then Superman TPBs, then Kingdom Come. Marvel next, Spidey, 616, then Ultimate, then Ultimate X-Men, then Daredevil, which I've recently started collecting. Watchmen, Maus and From Hell are all on my 'proper' bookshelf.
Just need a system! By character, then publishing house, on one big shefl.How many comics/TPBs etc do you have?

[regwec]

My new Ledger manip:
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9320/ledgerno1.jpg

For my tastes, a little more purple would make this perfect.

[iwalktheline92]

id like to see what his hair looks like

[ghost_x]

I have one bookcase dedicated entirely to comics, mainly TPBs and GNs. After the Bat stuff, it goes into Superman/Batman, then Superman TPBs, then Kingdom Come. Marvel next, Spidey, 616, then Ultimate, then Ultimate X-Men, then Daredevil, which I've recently started collecting. Watchmen, Maus and From Hell are all on my 'proper' bookshelf.
Just need a system! By character, then publishing house, on one big shefl.How many comics/TPBs etc do you have?

My comic collection runs into the thousands. That's not an exaggeration either. The problem is, each of the characters spawn at least 4-5 different versions which is when things get complicated, do they remain in the same draw or do I start a new one, and they say comics are for kids.

I make it a priority to never get TPB versions, I will always attempt to get the originals. Somehow this can prove difficult, but the best feeling for me is reading the pages of a comic, for some reason TPB don't do it for me.

[itsthebatman]

My comic collection runs into the thousands. That's not an exaggeration either. The problem is, each of the characters spawn at least 4-5 different versions which is when things get complicated, do they remain in the same draw or do I start a new one, and they say comics are for kids.

I make it a priority to never get TPB versions, I will always attempt to get the originals. Somehow this can prove difficult, but the best feeling for me is reading the pages of a comic, for some reason TPB don't do it for me.

Yikes. Okay, can't help you anymore. Sorry:csad:
:oldrazz:

[ghost_x]

I'm beyond help :csad:

[Shedhut]

great bane!

[regwec]

My comic collection runs into the thousands. That's not an exaggeration either.

My penis is huge.

[Nepenthes]

is he bragging? it's no shame to be proud of your comic collection, if that's what you enjoy

[bane]

:yay: Glad you people like my manip, here's a little update to it!
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6210/ledgervc1.jpg

[Orko Is King]

:yay: Glad you people like my manip, here's a little update to it!
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6210/ledgervc1.jpg

:up: :joker:

[ghost_x]

My penis is huge.

Mines bigger

[uchiha_itachi]

:yay: Glad you people like my manip, here's a little update to it!
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6210/ledgervc1.jpg

tht looks awesome:D

[ICXCNIKA]

:yay: Glad you people like my manip, here's a little update to it!
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6210/ledgervc1.jpg

Perfect! Best T.D.K. Joker manip, yet! I sure hope he looks like this!:wow::up::woot:

[Muziko]

tht looks awesome:D


I second that. The manip scores pretty high on the "goodmanip-o-meter"

[Shoemeister]

:yay: Glad you people like my manip, here's a little update to it!
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6210/ledgervc1.jpg

Superb!!! :joker:

[RedIsNotBlue]

That's the only Ledger manip I have truly liked. Awesome job.

[bane]

Thanks for the kind words guys, appreciate it!:yay:

[uchiha_itachi]

^ you working on anymore?

[Golgo-13]

:yay: Glad you people like my manip, here's a little update to it!
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6210/ledgervc1.jpg

Best Ledger manip i've ever seen. :up:

[Paste Pot Pete]

I echo the sentiments; very awesome manip, one of the only ones that's ever really worked for me (no offense to the other artists).

Simple, classy, and extremely sinister. :woot:

[regwec]

It's great that bane hasn't messed Ledger's face up, or tried to make him more monsterous than he already is.

[itsthebatman]

A more naturalisitic approach is the right way to go. Joker's first few appearances, which the Nolans are drawing heavily on, do not have a greatly elongated face and horribly unnatural face. Work with Ledger's natural features, and we'll see Joker as he should be.

[SUPERSEBAS]

Another actor who would made a perfect joker would be " Gaspard Ulliel" the actor of Hannibal Rising, it amazing and he have the face and is amazing!!! the only problem is that is a little Young, or maybe be the young joker if Crispin Glover would be the joker! the look of this two actors made a perfect joker!!

[ghost_x]

I think Crispin Glover looks too naturally like the joker to ever play him in a movie. It sounds strange to say that, but in my eyes it wouldn't work.

[Crooklyn]

Yeah that made sense. :o

[ghost_x]

It does to me, soooo give a sh-t?

[SUPERSEBAS]

I think Crispin Glover looks too naturally like the joker to ever play him in a movie. It sounds strange to say that, but in my eyes it wouldn't work.


http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2816/totalfilm003zb0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2122/crispinchuckul8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Rynan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/CrispinGlover.jpg

[uchiha_itachi]

i can defo see him as the joker. but i reckon the guy playing him ( name has slipped my mind ¬_¬ lol) will do a fine job

[titan101]

edit

[uchiha_itachi]

maybe he was just showing some one else who could play joker or a younger joker?

[Miranda Fox]

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2816/totalfilm003zb0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2122/crispinchuckul8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/31310114333copy.jpg

[Miranda Fox]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/CrispinGlover.jpg

Bwahahahahaha! FTW!

maybe he was just showing some one else who could play joker or a younger joker?I wouldn't mind so much if he just would stop harping on about Crispin bloody Glover all the time. I had my own favourites for Joker but I'm not particularly bothered none of them got it. ;)

BTW, I agree completely about Dafoe - if they ever do make a DKR film, he'd be my first pick, no contest. :woot:

[SUPERSEBAS]

...... you realise that those first two pics are gaspard ulliel and not crispin glover , right ?:dry:

YES!!!!!!! of course! that is what I say before! Gaspard would be perfect to be a young Jack Nipier if Crispin Glover would be the Joker! they look very similar. I would love than the joker would play by Crispin in a similar way than Gaspad play the young Hannibal.

I imagine Gaspard in flashbacks of Crispin playing the joker! would be amazing.

[SUPERSEBAS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/CrispinGlover.jpg

Crispin Glover is not to play the Joker, so... WE ALL LOSE !!!!!!!!!!!!! :cmad: :csad:

[itsthebatman]

As someone's sig puts it...
Heath Ledger is the Joker.
Didn't you get the memo?

[Rynan]

Crispin Glover is not to play the Joker, so... WE ALL LOSE !!!!!!!!!!!!! :cmad: :csad:

No sir. Humanity wins. You lose.

[uchiha_itachi]

Bwahahahahaha! FTW!

I wouldn't mind so much if he just would stop harping on about Crispin bloody Glover all the time. I had my own favourites for Joker but I'm not particularly bothered none of them got it. ;)

BTW, I agree completely about Dafoe - if they ever do make a DKR film, he'd be my first pick, no contest. :woot:

lol yeh true

[Paste Pot Pete]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/31310114333copy.jpg

Even in a Joker thread, Heath gets no respect.

[Miranda Fox]

Even in a Joker thread, Heath gets no respect.

I know. :(

Anyway, I thought this was interesting as it's been rumoured there is some filming going on in London right now:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/us26mar07.jpg

Also, it's a cute pic, dammit. :heart:

[SUPERSEBAS]

No sir. Humanity wins. You lose.

Everybody lose, the problem is that you dont realize that yet!:oldrazz:

[Miranda Fox]

Everybody lose, the problem is that you dont realize that yet!:oldrazz:

You make me want to spam this thread with Heath pics just to piss you off.

Good job.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Everybody lose, the problem is that you dont realize that yet!:oldrazz:

I really did want a Joker who wrote stories...science fiction stories... about vistors coming down to earth...from other planets.

[Retroman]

Well i'm not exactly *sure* it's just something i read. :cwink: but if they didn't actually meet i think Bale himself did recommend Ledger for some reason or another....or maybe notIt *was* said in an interview, you're not going crazy! And even if actors don't have scenes together, it doesn't necessarily mean they haven't met. Cast and crews often do read throughs and such together, where everybody is involved. Either way, Heath said something to the effect of Christian had a lot to do with Nolan contacting him.
I always thought Charles Roven secretly had a lot of influence on Ledger being cast.He produced BB, Brothers Grimm and is doing TDK as well.
My new Ledger manip:
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9320/ledgerno1.jpg
Awesome work bane!
I know. :(

Anyway, I thought this was interesting as it's been rumoured there is some filming going on in London right now:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/us26mar07.jpg

Also, it's a cute pic, dammit. :heart:

Thanks Miranda. If he's in London it is most likely for TDK and his girlfriend's next movie which is also lensing in the UK.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0361416/

BTW which mag is that pic from?

[ghost_x]

Where's filming supposed to be happening in London?

[fabman]

Leavesden Studios

[ghost_x]

I may have to check it out

[Miranda Fox]

I always thought Charles Roven secretly had a lot of influence on Ledger being cast.He produced BB, Brothers Grimm and is doing TDK as well.

Awesome work bane!


Thanks Miranda. If he's in London it is most likely for TDK and his girlfriend's next movie which is also lensing in the UK.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0361416/

BTW which mag is that pic from?

US Weekly.

[Dcknight]

Am i the only one who find strange that all the recent pics of Heath he does were ''that'' on his head

[ghost_x]

I was actually going to mention that he's been wearing that concealing hat alot lately, however not too long ago we got that picture with him and eckhardt and there was nothing that he was hiding. Unless he's getting used to a wig during production testing and he's hiding it with the hat.

[SUPERSEBAS]

You make me want to spam this thread with Heath pics just to piss you off.

Good job.

A serious, dark gothic and realistic Joker!

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8995/joker002js0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6002/joker004vv4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5513/joker005ix1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[titan101]

A serious, dark gothic and realistic Joker!

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8995/joker002js0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6002/joker004vv4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5513/joker005ix1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) will you just ****ing give it up already ??!! crispin glover would NOT make a good choice for joker!!!:cmad:

[odiin]

Forgive me if these have been posted before but I JUST now saw this:

Check out Heath, and his little friend here
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/valentine1731/HeathLedge_Pimen_12887425_400.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/valentine1731/SeanPennH_Pimen_12887488_400.jpg

[itsthebatman]

will you just ****ing give it up already ??!! crispin glover would NOT make a good choice for joker!!!:cmad:

Oh no, he should definitely e-mail those pics to Nolan. i can see it now.

Nolan: 'Oh noes! I've made a terrible, terrible mistake! Get me Heath!'
*Heath comes into trailer*
Nolan: 'Look at these pics made up by a mad internet Argentinian! You know what this means?'
Heath: 'There's no option, is there? I resign. Call Crispin. The better man has won'.
:dry:

[bdsproductions]

A serious, dark gothic and realistic Joker!

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8995/joker002js0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6002/joker004vv4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5513/joker005ix1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Its such a pity, Glover would be great if he could actually act.

He LOOKS like the Joker, but his acting does go with it.

[Nepenthes]

^ I quite like the lips, it would well if his gums were a deep, dark ruby red not just normal pink.

But he needs at least a tinge of dark green and he also needs to stop being Crispin Glover :cwink:

[Rynan]

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7686/ledgerzy2.jpg

[Nepenthes]

^ except I wonder how his old lady is doin about now. Wasn't there a story a while back about the Joker putting a strain on their relationship?

:hq::heart: :csad: :joker:

[Miranda Fox]

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7686/ledgerzy2.jpg

:up: :up: :up:

Seriously, those Glover manips just convinced me of how god-awful he would've been.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/heathpwns.png

Anyway, to get vaguely back on topic, I do something is up with those beanie hats. *strokes chin in a thoughtful manner*

[Rynan]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/heathpwns.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/LMAO.jpg

Anyway, back to the hat. Which is phat. I think he stores food, baby bottles and other stuff in that hat. Which is phat. Like a hobo and his sack. That phat. Getting ready to take on the bat. That rat. That phat. TDK won't splat, not like your momma, she's fat. Not phat that fat. Phat hat.

:word:

[Miranda Fox]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/LMAO.jpg

Anyway, back to the hat. Which is phat. I think he stores food, baby bottles and other stuff in that hat. Which is phat. Like a hobo and his sack. That phat. Getting ready to take on the bat. That rat. That phat. TDK won't splat, not like your momma, she's fat. Not phat that fat. Phat hat.

:word:

:woot: :up:

And yay for Caeser approval!

[itsthebatman]

http://www.nndb.com/people/660/000033561/romero.jpg
Without the makeup. Look at that moustache.

[Muziko]

:up: :up: :up:

Seriously, those Glover manips just convinced me of how god-awful he would've been.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/heathpwns.png

Anyway, to get vaguely back on topic, I do something is up with those beanie hats. *strokes chin in a thoughtful manner*

LMAO! :woot:

Yeah, the bean hat on his head makes one think. Hmm...
I guess the purple just stuck with him since he's (hopefully) going to don that color in the film.

[Rynan]

http://www.nndb.com/people/660/000033561/romero.jpg
Without the makeup. Look at that moustache.

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/173/cesarromerocp3.jpg
How you doin?

[itsthebatman]

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/173/cesarromerocp3.jpg
How you doin?

http://tesla.liketelevision.com/liketelevision/images/lowrez/lilprinj214.jpg
You talkin' to me or the parrot?

[SUPERSEBAS]

[quote=Miranda Fox;11438644]:up: :up: :up:

Seriously, those Glover manips just convinced me of how god-awful he would've been.


Seriously, you ever see how the joker looks like? because if you say that crispin thosen look like the joker, or you never see the joker or you must be blind




http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1949/heathpwnssp3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:oldrazz:

[Nepenthes]

Mad Internet Argentinian, do you admit that there is a difference between looking alot like the Joker and actually being able to ACT? Do you know what an actor does? They do more than stand still and look evil...

[itsthebatman]

Mad Internet Argentinian (TM) (royalties payable to itsthebatman), do you admit that there is a difference between looking alot like the Joker and actually being able to ACT? Do you know what an actor does? They do more than stand still and look evil...

Corrected your post:woot:
But my sentimonies exactly.

[Rynan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/Joker%20taunt/ThisEndsNow.jpg

Crispen Glover is not The Joker and will never be The Joker. He is a crap actor. All the whining, wishing and b*tching in the world won't change that fact. Now GTFO.

[SUPERSEBAS]

Mad Internet Argentinian, do you admit that there is a difference between looking alot like the Joker and actually being able to ACT? Do you know what an actor does? They do more than stand still and look evil...

If you say that, is because you think than Crispin Glover can not act, and he is an a very good actor, an not only Crispin looks like the joker and H.L dont, the crispin Glover way to act and personality is much, much more appropriate for the joker. I am not talking about the acting, because I know that Crispin glover is a good actor, those who think that Glover can not act, is because they have no vision and thosen know what they talking about.

Ledger is an inexpressive actor, and Glover is histrionic, that is why he is much better for this role, not only because he looks as the joker :cwink:

[itsthebatman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/Joker%20taunt/ThisEndsNow.jpg

Crispen Glover is not The Joker and will never be The Joker. He is a crap actor. All the whining, wishing and b*tching in the world won't change that fact. Now GTFO.

You gots the dehydrator! Run, SUPERSEBAS, run!
Stop spamming. Please.

[Rynan]

Ledger is an inexpressive actor, and Glover is histrionic, that is w he is much better for this role, not only because he looks as the joker :cwink:

Your always talken about how Glover such a good actor.

If he's such a good actor, then why didn't Bale suggest him?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/inside-batman-review.jpg

[SUPERSEBAS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/Joker%20taunt/ThisEndsNow.jpg

Crispen Glover is not The Joker and will never be The Joker. He is a crap actor. All the whining, wishing and b*tching in the world won't change that fact. Now GTFO.

You are rigth about one thing, Crispin Glover never is going to do the joker, and that is because of the stupid consept of than the look thosen matter, is the acting the only thing important, Hollywood thosen care to made exelent catings anymore.

But Crispin Glover is the Joker, playing the role or not.

[Miranda Fox]

Ledger is an inexpressive actor, and Glover is histrionic, that is why he is much better for this role, not only because he looks as the joker :cwink:

And you're accusing us of having no vision...

*headdesk*

[itsthebatman]

You are rigth about one thing, Crispin Glover never is going to do the joker, and that is because of the stupid consept of than the look thosen matter, is the acting the only thing important, wollywood thosen care to made exelent actings anymore.

But Crispin Glover is the Joker, playing the role or not.

In real life?
Anyway, have you seen the latest Heath manips? Classic Joker (the one by Bane is genius).
But then, you probably don't want anything that challenges your opinion.

Why am I arguing? it's not gonna make any difference.

[Rynan]

So, who here thinks in the third movie, The Joker's going to break out using exploding fake teeth?
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2456/wednesdayseptember14200fi0.jpg

[Miranda Fox]

So, who here thinks in the third movie, The Joker's going to break out using exploding fake teeth?
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2456/wednesdayseptember14200fi0.jpg

I'd love to see that. :up:

[SUPERSEBAS]

And you're accusing us of having no vision...

*headdesk*

Of course, and no respect for the people like me that thing very strong and believe in something, every time I say something about Crsiping Glover as the jojer, a star to be under attack by the people of this forum.

Everybody have a perfect actor for a role, for me Christopher Reeve was and would be the perfect Superman, and thanks good, he made it.

Now I have one actor who I think is the perfect actor for this role, not only because he looks like the joker, he is the rigth actor for a lot of reasons, and I say way, and nobody made other thing than attack me for than, but nobody say nothing of why Ledger is good for the role. Nothing at all, only the hope that under the Nolan Direction, he would made a good joker, well, I thing the same about Crispin, only than crispin have the look and the acting for that role, plus a good direct by Nolan, that can be the perfect and best joker ever, that is why I think he is the Joker and ledger and other actor propose here are not rigth.

What I see in the forums is thant mostly the people accept any casting good or bad, only because a director say so, not because you are personally convinced that that is rigth.

For Example, wen I see brandon Routh as the new Superman, I think he was the right choise, but the problem was thant he looks to much young, but that is something than they finally thosen care, and wen I see the costume and the look on him I knew that was rough and why.I allways say what I think from my own convictions, other people who defend the directors vision only repeating what the director say and not because by
their own conviction.

[Miranda Fox]

Of course, and no respect for the people like me that thing very strong and believe in something, every time I say something about Crsiping Glover as the jojer, a star to be under attack by the people of this forum.

Everybody have a perfect actor for a role, for me Christopher Reeve was and would be the perfect Superman, and thanks good, he made it.

Now I have one actor who I think is the perfect actor for this role, not only because he looks like the joker, he is the rigth actor for a lot of reasons, and I say way, and nobody made other thing than attack me for than, but nobody say nothing of why Ledger is good for the role. Nothing at all, only the hope that under the Nolan Direction, he would made a good joker, well, I thing the same about Crispin, only than crispin have the look and the acting for that role, plus a good direct by Nolan, that can be the perfect and best joker ever, that is why I think he is the Joker and ledger and other actor propose here are not rigth.

What I see in the forums is thant mostly the people accept any casting good or bad, only because a director say so, not because you are personally convinced that that is rigth.

For Example, wen I see brandon Routh as the new Superman, I think he was the right choise, but the problem was thant he looks to much young, but that is something than they finally thosen care, and wen I see the costume and the look on him I knew that was rough and why.I allways say what I think from my own convictions, other people who defend the directors vision only repeating what the director say and not because by
their own conviction.

If I am parsing this correctly, you're saying I like Heath because Nolan told me to?

Erm, no. Check my sig.

Look, I just don't think Glover is ZOMG, perfect. The reason I'm getting annoyed with you is because, to be blunt, you are being persistently annoying.

There's really no way to say whether Heath will be good either. I was down with the idea from day one - possibly due to personal bias, admittedly - and I will continue to see things that way until I see envidence to the contrary.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'll happily step up to the plate in 2008 and say so if that indeed does end up being the case.

But I don't think it will. :p

[SUPERSEBAS]

In real life?
Anyway, have you seen the latest Heath manips? Classic Joker (the one by Bane is genius).
But then, you probably don't want anything that challenges your opinion.

Why am I arguing? it's not gonna make any difference.

This one?
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3346/ledgerno1ii7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

well that is why I can say that Ledger thosen look as the joker at all. I dont see any good manip about ledger as the joker that give me some hope to see a nice joker, and if I see a nice manip, it would be far to be so good as Crispin! BECAUSE THE FACIAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE LEDGER FACE ARE NO LIKE THE JOKER!!!!!!!

[Crooklyn]

1) Hooked-on-Phonics is your friend. :up:

2) I have no idea what you just said. :down

[itsthebatman]

This one?
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3346/ledgerno1ii7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

well that is why I can say that Ledger thosen look as the joker at all. I dont see any good manip about ledger as the joker that give me some hope to see a nice joker, and if I see a nice manip, it would be far to be so good as Crispin! BECAUSE THE FACIAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE LEDGER FACE ARE NO LIKE THE JOKER!!!!!!!

http://www.grovel.org.uk/reviews/gotham-central/gotham-central-12.jpg
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/620/620444/joker-20050531080358192-000.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/c0/220px-Jokerkillingjoke.png
http://www.steveenglehart.com/steveenglehart.com_Images/Joker%20button.jpg
http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/batman/joker-batman01.jpg
The Joker's facial characteristics are not as cast in iron as you make out. I do happen to think that bane manip is very Joker-like, and more characteristic than your 'realistic' take in fact. IMO, of course.
Why do I like Heath? Because Nolan told me so. Oh, wait. Actually...
He's an excellent actor with a tremendous range ('Ten Things I hate about you', Monsters Ball, Brokeback Mountain), playing anything from an extrovert teenager through bullied son to repressed married gay. And he's still only 27. He does have the physique, and he certainly has the face to work with. If it takes (subtle) prosthetics to make it fully work, so what? It's the movies. Bale recommended him. Story, as in, end of.

[SilentType]

This is an utterly ridiculous argument at this point.

And yet I go on...
Glover may be crazy, but he is that "I live in my dead mother's basement and eat naked mole rats while pleasuring myself to car accidents" crazy. He's that creepy looser that snapped and you now you find sniffing your garbage in the middle of the night. Not, in my opinion, right for the joker.

[Rynan]

http://www.grovel.org.uk/reviews/gotham-central/gotham-central-12.jpg

Woah. Is that some Michael Lark? ...That some Michael Lark! Boy, if there was someone I wish was working on more Batman comics, it's Michael Lark. His drawings look like actual people, with gritty realism and everything. His Joker is by far my favorite, realistically capturing his original 1940's look and making him actually in style for a change(which he hasn't been since 1973's "The Joker's Five-way Revenge").

We need more Michael Lark.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/403/larkjokerwm7.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9851/larkjoker2ks0.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9950/larkjoker3og6.jpg

[Spider-Fan83]

just did this really, qiuck (so, its kinda crappy)
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7103/bigpimpinjm1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[regwec]

Glover looks quite a bit like The Joker. A lady I know who runs a Jamaican restaraunt looks quite a bit like Amanda Waller. Should she play the character in the upcoming JLA film? Probably not.

[itsthebatman]

Rynan, that is indeed Michael Lark. Love his Batman, his Mr Freeze, his Two-Face, hell he even does a good Mad Hatter. Good story as well, Soft Targets. Have you seen any of his Daredevil art?

[Agentsands77]

Glover looks quite a bit like The Joker. A lady I know who runs a Jamaican restaraunt looks quite a bit like Amanda Waller. Should she play the character in the upcoming JLA film? Probably not.
LOL.

[WompuM]

It's funny this guy whines and *****es as much as Glover himself. Why do you think he wasn't in BTTF2?

[ghost_x]

He sued there ass as well

[Rynan]

Rynan, that is indeed Michael Lark. Love his Batman, his Mr Freeze, his Two-Face, hell he even does a good Mad Hatter. Good story as well, Soft Targets. Have you seen any of his Daredevil art?

I'm not a big Marvel fan, so no, unfortunately.

But I do think the people at DC are fools. If they have a chance, they should get on their hands and knees and beg Ed Brubaker to come back and write for Batman. If they get him, maybe they can get Lark back. Then, with their forces combined again, we could get some fantastic, even epic, Batman stories. :word:

[bdsproductions]

:up: :up: :up:

Seriously, those Glover manips just convinced me of how god-awful he would've been.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/heathpwns.png

Anyway, to get vaguely back on topic, I do something is up with those beanie hats. *strokes chin in a thoughtful manner*


LMFAO!

I completly agree dude!

[bdsproductions]

Woah. Is that some Michael Lark? ...That some Michael Lark! Boy, if there was someone I wish was working on more Batman comics, it's Michael Lark. His drawings look like actual people, with gritty realism and everything. His Joker is by far my favorite, realistically capturing his original 1940's look and making him actually in style for a change(which he hasn't been since 1973's "The Joker's Five-way Revenge").

We need more Michael Lark.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/403/larkjokerwm7.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9851/larkjoker2ks0.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9950/larkjoker3og6.jpg


At least it is sure as hell better then the 663 William H. Macey Joker...

Seriously, WTF was up with THAT?

[Rynan]

At least it is sure as hell better then the 663 William H. Macey Joker...

Seriously, WTF was up with THAT?

Morrison wanted his prose to outshine the art, so they got the s***tiest CG artist they could find, which resulted in stuff looked like rejected "ReBoot" footage.

I currently deny that issue #663 ever happened.

[bdsproductions]

Morrison wanted his prose to outshine the art, so they got the s***tiest CG artist they could find, which resulted in stuff looked like rejected "ReBoot" footage.

I currently deny that issue #663 ever happened.

I like to Deny Morrison's current run in general...

[Keyser Sushi]

:up: :up: :up:

Seriously, those Glover manips just convinced me of how god-awful he would've been.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/aliasvaughn/heathpwns.png

Anyway, to get vaguely back on topic, I do something is up with those beanie hats. *strokes chin in a thoughtful manner*

Ooooh! My favorite bedtime story! Read it to me again, read it to me again!!! :D

And about those hats... what do you suppose he's hiding under there? I mean, REALLY hiding under there?

[Keyser Sushi]

This one?
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3346/ledgerno1ii7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

well that is why I can say that Ledger thosen look as the joker at all. I dont see any good manip about ledger as the joker that give me some hope to see a nice joker, and if I see a nice manip, it would be far to be so good as Crispin! BECAUSE THE FACIAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE LEDGER FACE ARE NO LIKE THE JOKER!!!!!!!

Dear Crazy Person,

The chief problems with your argument are two. Firstly, that this manip of Heath Ledger is money, and only hurts your argument; and secondly that looks are not the deciding factor in what makes a good actor.

Now, where George McFly is concerned, let me tell you something about your beloved: he ruined his own film career by demanding a ridiculous sum of money to appear in Back to the Future II after having really only had a single major film on his resume: Back to the Future. The studio knew he wasn't worth the money he was asking, so they told him he could either take the money they were offering, or he could get bent.

Glover has barely had any work since, and has had no high-profile successes. Mostly, this is because nobody wants to work with him. Do you know why nobody wants to work with him? The answer is simple, my dear lunatic:

Crispin Glover is an absolute turdbiter.

Why would Chris Nolan want to work with him? There are less painful experiences in the world - such as sticking one's manhood in a sausage grinder, or deep-frying your own eyeballs.

Sincerely,

Keyser Sushi
Director, Counter-Idiocy Agency

[Keyser Sushi]

GAh!

[Fran]

Dear Keyser Sushi,

Due to your double posting, and attacking users, you are being probationary banned until July 19, 2008.

Thanks,
SHH! Staff.

[ghost_x]

Keyser repeated his post twice, just to rub salt into the wound known as ownage :cwink:

[Keyser Sushi]

Dear Keyser Sushi,

Due to your double posting, and attacking users, you are being probationary banned until July 19, 2008.

Thanks,
SHH! Staff.

LOL!!!!

Funny thing happened - I edited my double-post and... it disappeared when I tried to save the changes. I guess somebody cleaned up my mess while I wasn't looking. ;)

EDIT: Or not.

For now it has returned.

Has anybody told the powers-that-be lately that this board is no longer capable of handling the amount of traffic it receives on a nightly basis?

[Nepenthes]

hee hee that last page makes me giggle :woot: nice one Keyser


yes truly Michael Lark draws an awesome Joker. But the Morrsion #663 haterz here need to SHFU! :cwink: sure Joker looked like Gollum on that splash page but you can't deny there were some great moments in there....

'reboot reject'...lol i completely forget about that show. kinda true too.

[Keyser Sushi]

hee hee that last page makes me giggle :woot: nice one Keyser

:D :up:

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??!?

:cool:

[Fran]

Keyser,

The next upgrade, server-wise, will apparently cost $700 more a month.

[Keyser Sushi]

Keyser,

The next upgrade, server-wise, will apparently cost $700 more a month.

What, they don't have enough banner ads? :ninja:

[Nepenthes]

Does anyone else see an ad for 'Batman Flights' at the top of the page? Discount to the middle east? WTF! :whatever:


I also have an ad for carnivorous plants, which is pretty cool.

[ghost_x]

'Explore Msn Video'

how exciting

[Keyser Sushi]

I could shoot 20 hippos and get an Applebee's gift card. :dry:

[Crooklyn]

Man, are we in the AOL days? You guys still don't know how to get rid of ads? :down :D

[SUPERSEBAS]

Dear Crazy Person,

The chief problems with your argument are two. Firstly, that this manip of Heath Ledger is money, and only hurts your argument; and secondly that looks are not the deciding factor in what makes a good actor.

Now, where George McFly is concerned, let me tell you something about your beloved: he ruined his own film career by demanding a ridiculous sum of money to appear in Back to the Future II after having really only had a single major film on his resume: Back to the Future. The studio knew he wasn't worth the money he was asking, so they told him he could either take the money they were offering, or he could get bent.

Glover has barely had any work since, and has had no high-profile successes. Mostly, this is because nobody wants to work with him. Do you know why nobody wants to work with him? The answer is simple, my dear lunatic:

Crispin Glover is an absolute turdbiter.

Why would Chris Nolan want to work with him? There are less painful experiences in the world - such as sticking one's manhood in a sausage grinder, or deep-frying your own eyeballs.

Sincerely,

Keyser Sushi
Director, Counter-Idiocy Agency

Dear Keyser Sushi, you say that this manip of Ledger hurts my arguments? let me tell you just one thing ... HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH !!!!!are you serious ? because if you and mostly the people here like that manip and Nolan really are going to do a so UGLY Joker like that, I going to vomit in the cinema whaching the movie.

And I can say the same to everyvody, my manips of Glover as the Joker are brocking all the arguments about than Ledger or any other actor can not do a so good joker as Glover can.

The other thing that you say, is that the look is not the deciding factor of that makes a good actor, Of course, but we are talking about to choise an actor to play an existent character, so the cast should be BOTH THINGS!!!!!!!!!! HOW IN THE HELL THE PEOPLE CAN NOT UNDESTAND THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you hear what Tom Mankiewicz say wen they look for a guy to play Superman? he say ... We have a lot of good actors who can made a great superman, but they thosen look like Superman, and in the other hand, we cast other people who looks a lot as superman but they can not act! So they search, and search until they find Chris, who was a very good actor and we looks a lot as Superman, and thats why the made one of the best castings ever!!! get Ledger and you have a nice actor, get Glover and you are geting not only a very good actor, you get the man who looks amazing as the joker!

So... those fist arguments against my own are very weak.

Other thing, Glover work and still working in other movies, so why he can acto wih some directors and movies and with others not? that is something that we dont know! what happen in back to the future, happens more than 20 year ego, and I thing Glover try, like other actors like Jim Carrey, to get more money for their work, someone can say to Jim Carrey, ARE YOU CRAZY? you whant 20 millons of dollars for your work? who in the hell you think you are? but noboy say that to Jim, Maybe Glover think that he was realy good ( and he was) and was time to demand more because he deserve it! but in that time someone think that he do not deserved.

The fact than you and other people see him more than 20 years ego as George Mcfly, is because he made so so good his part, that you can not forgert it, and he just play it just one time. And other think that tell me wen you call him George Mcfly, is not only than you and other people whant to discredit and rejects him, is the fact that you and other people have no vision to see him in other role, and is confortable to live him in that role, bu he dont deserve that, because he is an amazing actor, I can see on him things that maybe you and other people cnanot see! the other day I was looking the advanses of the new movie of Jim Carrey, the Number 23 in E entretaiment television, and one guy was saying that is amazing how Carrey show us how good can be as a serious actor, and that nobody thinkg that was posible, we think after ace ventura and dum and dumb and dumber that nothing more we can see about this actor and the he talk about the truman show etc, etc, and wen this guy say that nobody think that carrey can be so good as a serious actor i say to mysel, WELL, that is because ou an the public are idiots, because I see a lot of years ego that potencial on Jim Carrey, because a man who can do waht he whant with his body and his face, is someone who can do anything, and I say to my fahter, that I wouls love to se hi m playing a serious role, that I was sure that carrey would be amazing. So thats why I can say, I see things on Glover and maybe other actors that most of the people can not see!

[Nepenthes]

http://www.mazdanow.com/temp/laughing-smiley-007.gif
you are genuinely hilarious dude

'and so I say to my fahter....'

ha! i pray this continues

[ghost_x]

I was trying to get through that megillah and attempting to decipher it was a challenge, one word in particular had me lost 'but they thosen look like Superman'.

What the hell is a thosen?

[itsthebatman]

I was trying to get through that megillah and attempting to decipher it was a challenge, one word in particular had me lost 'but they thosen look like Superman'.

What the hell is a thosen?

Doesn't or don't. I have given up at this stage. As far as Supersebas in concerned, denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

[ghost_x]

Heres another one for the Crispin Glover lovers out there,

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3762/jokerasylumlu7.jpg

[bdsproductions]

Man, is it ever gonna be cool too finally see what he looks like.

Lol, anyone else remember the casting wars? Bettany vs. Hulme? Bettanism? That was a ton of fun, lol.

[itsthebatman]

http://www.greatertalent.com/backend/speakers/182/Glover,%20Crispin.jpg
plus
http://www.lostcrafts.com/sitebuilder/images/Anvil_fig2-600x350.jpg
equals
http://www.ssb2.net/users/4202/dsp_25552.jpg
let it end.

[itsthebatman]

The casting wars were fun. Some great manips at that time as well.

[regwec]

The fact than you and other people see him more than 20 years ego as George Mcfly, is because he made so so good his part, that you can not forgert it, and he just play it just one time. And other think that tell me wen you call him George Mcfly, is not only than you and other people whant to discredit and rejects him, is the fact that you and other people have no vision to see him in other role, and is confortable to live him in that role, bu he dont deserve that, because he is an amazing actor, I can see on him things that maybe you and other people cnanot see! the other day I was looking the advanses of the new movie of Jim Carrey, the Number 23 in E entretaiment television, and one guy was saying that is amazing how Carrey show us how good can be as a serious actor, and that nobody thinkg that was posible, we think after ace ventura and dum and dumb and dumber that nothing more we can see about this actor and the he talk about the truman show etc, etc, and wen this guy say that nobody think that carrey can be so good as a serious actor i say to mysel, WELL, that is because ou an the public are idiots, because I see a lot of years ego that potencial on Jim Carrey, because a man who can do waht he whant with his body and his face, is someone who can do anything, and I say to my fahter, that I wouls love to se hi m playing a serious role, that I was sure that carrey would be amazing. So thats why I can say, I see things on Glover and maybe other actors that most of the people can not see!

I can't be bothered to read it all, but is that all one sentence?

[itsthebatman]

I can't be bothered to read it all, but is that all one sentence?

It's three sentences. Beginning, middle and end.

[Muziko]

Dear Keyser Sushi, you say that this manip of Ledger hurts my arguments? let me tell you just one thing ... HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH !!!!!are you serious ? because if you and mostly the people here like that manip and Nolan really are going to do a so UGLY Joker like that, I going to vomit in the cinema whaching the movie.

And I can say the same to everyvody, my manips of Glover as the Joker are brocking all the arguments about than Ledger or any other actor can not do a so good joker as Glover can.

The other thing that you say, is that the look is not the deciding factor of that makes a good actor, Of course, but we are talking about to choise an actor to play an existent character, so the cast should be BOTH THINGS!!!!!!!!!! HOW IN THE HELL THE PEOPLE CAN NOT UNDESTAND THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you hear what Tom Mankiewicz say wen they look for a guy to play Superman? he say ... We have a lot of good actors who can made a great superman, but they thosen look like Superman, and in the other hand, we cast other people who looks a lot as superman but they can not act! So they search, and search until they find Chris, who was a very good actor and we looks a lot as Superman, and thats why the made one of the best castings ever!!! get Ledger and you have a nice actor, get Glover and you are geting not only a very good actor, you get the man who looks amazing as the joker!

So... those fist arguments against my own are very weak.

Other thing, Glover work and still working in other movies, so why he can acto wih some directors and movies and with others not? that is something that we dont know! what happen in back to the future, happens more than 20 year ego, and I thing Glover try, like other actors like Jim Carrey, to get more money for their work, someone can say to Jim Carrey, ARE YOU CRAZY? you whant 20 millons of dollars for your work? who in the hell you think you are? but noboy say that to Jim, Maybe Glover think that he was realy good ( and he was) and was time to demand more because he deserve it! but in that time someone think that he do not deserved.

The fact than you and other people see him more than 20 years ego as George Mcfly, is because he made so so good his part, that you can not forgert it, and he just play it just one time. And other think that tell me wen you call him George Mcfly, is not only than you and other people whant to discredit and rejects him, is the fact that you and other people have no vision to see him in other role, and is confortable to live him in that role, bu he dont deserve that, because he is an amazing actor, I can see on him things that maybe you and other people cnanot see! the other day I was looking the advanses of the new movie of Jim Carrey, the Number 23 in E entretaiment television, and one guy was saying that is amazing how Carrey show us how good can be as a serious actor, and that nobody thinkg that was posible, we think after ace ventura and dum and dumb and dumber that nothing more we can see about this actor and the he talk about the truman show etc, etc, and wen this guy say that nobody think that carrey can be so good as a serious actor i say to mysel, WELL, that is because ou an the public are idiots, because I see a lot of years ego that potencial on Jim Carrey, because a man who can do waht he whant with his body and his face, is someone who can do anything, and I say to my fahter, that I wouls love to se hi m playing a serious role, that I was sure that carrey would be amazing. So thats why I can say, I see things on Glover and maybe other actors that most of the people can not see!

Umm... nope. I disagree.
Apparently, english isn't your first language - which is okay, I'll break off a response in your (actually OUR) native tongue:

El hecho de que el Glover se paresca fisicamente al personaje de Joker no quiere decir que sea la persona indicada para el papel en la pelicula. Nadie sabe porque el director escojio a Ledger para desempeñar el papel de Joker, lo unico que se sabe es que - aparentemente - el vio algo en la calidad y el talento de ese actor que lo convencio de que el era (o es) la persona indicada para la direccion/vision de esta pelicula. No es para decir que Glover no haria un buen trabajo... pero es obvio que el director tenia una idea especifica de lo que queria para ese personaje, y no vio esas cualidades en Glover. Ademas, con los avances tecnologicos que existen hoy en dia - con maquillaje y hasta con manipulacion de imagenes computarizadas, no sera dificil hacer que Ledger se paresca (fisicamente) como el Joker.

And let that be the end of it. Damn!

Cambio y Fuera,
Muziko

[Miranda Fox]

Ooooh! My favorite bedtime story! Read it to me again, read it to me again!!! :D

And about those hats... what do you suppose he's hiding under there? I mean, REALLY hiding under there?

Me, of course. :oldrazz:

Dear Crazy Person,

The chief problems with your argument are two. Firstly, that this manip of Heath Ledger is money, and only hurts your argument; and secondly that looks are not the deciding factor in what makes a good actor.

Now, where George McFly is concerned, let me tell you something about your beloved: he ruined his own film career by demanding a ridiculous sum of money to appear in Back to the Future II after having really only had a single major film on his resume: Back to the Future. The studio knew he wasn't worth the money he was asking, so they told him he could either take the money they were offering, or he could get bent.

Glover has barely had any work since, and has had no high-profile successes. Mostly, this is because nobody wants to work with him. Do you know why nobody wants to work with him? The answer is simple, my dear lunatic:

Crispin Glover is an absolute turdbiter.

Why would Chris Nolan want to work with him? There are less painful experiences in the world - such as sticking one's manhood in a sausage grinder, or deep-frying your own eyeballs.

Sincerely,

Keyser Sushi
Director, Counter-Idiocy Agency

Now that's what I call OWNAGE! :hyper:

so the cast should be BOTH THINGS!!!!!!!!!! HOW IN THE HELL THE PEOPLE CAN NOT UNDESTAND THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pterry was right - excessive exclamation marks ARE the sign of a diseased mind.

SUPERSEBAS, there is no one buying what you are selling. No one.

[SUPERSEBAS]

Me, of course. :oldrazz:



Now that's what I call OWNAGE! :hyper:



Pterry was right - excessive exclamation marks ARE the sign of a diseased mind.

SUPERSEBAS, there is no one buying what you are selling. No one.

I am not saleing nothing! I am just giveing my reason of why I feel than Ledger is a bad choise and we are loseing a great oportunity to have the best joker.

All what I have back is weak and empty arguments in exception of a few persons who say what they think with respect and good arguments , I dont share those arguments , but I respect them.

The rest of you people only attack me or laughs of my bad English,English that I learn only whaching movies , but there was not an oportunity to talk about it in a smart and civilize way!

[StorminNorman]

I am pissed my 10,000th post post thread was deleted :(

It was such a pretty post, with flowers and gum-drops.

[StorminNorman]

I am not saleing nothing! I am just giveing my reason of why I feel than Ledger is a bad choise and we are loseing a great oportunity to have the best joker.


To be fair, I think it would be a little rude to call upon an actor of Paul Bettany's standard to join a cast this far into Pre-Production :o

[Fran]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/lforlucas/noooooo.jpg

[itsthebatman]

I am pissed my 10,000th post post thread was deleted :(

It was such a pretty post, with flowers and gum-drops.

http://www.diomedes.com/eltonV.jpg
The candle burned out long before,
The legend ever will.

[StorminNorman]

My thread suffered a fate worse than deletion - it was moved to the Non-Spoilers Board.

I don't understand why though, I mean it is no-less spoilertastic than most of the threads in here are :(

[Crooklyn]

I am not saleing nothing! I am just giveing my reason of why I feel than Ledger is a bad choise and we are loseing a great oportunity to have the best joker.
....which would...be....selling the idea....that Crispin is better and Ledger is not. :dry:

The rest of you people only attack me or laughs of my bad English,English that I learn only whaching movies , but there was not an oportunity to talk about it in a smart and civilize way!
Smart and civilized was thrown out the minute you decided to butcher the English language the way that you have. I mean, even Jeffrey Dahmer read your posts and squirmed.

[itsthebatman]

....which would...be....selling the idea....that Crispin is better and Ledger is not. :dry:


Smart and civilized was thrown out the minute you decided to butcher the English language the way that you have. I mean, even Jeffrey Dahmer read your posts and squirmed.

In all fairness, Crooklyn, it's not his first language. His English is better than my Spanish. Or German, French, or Irish.

That said, I disagree vehemently with what he's saying.

[Miranda Fox]

To be fair, I think it would be a little rude to call upon an actor of Paul Bettany's standard to join a cast this far into Pre-Production :o

LOLZ!

[itsthebatman]

My thread suffered a fate worse than deletion - it was moved to the Non-Spoilers Board.

I don't understand why though, I mean it is no-less spoilertastic than most of the threads in here are :(
Well, the fact that is wasn't deleted kina ruins my new thread.

BTW, what happened to my Harvey Dents Downfall thread? One day it was, the next gone, like Kevin Spacey.

[SUPERSEBAS]

....which would...be....selling the idea....that Crispin is better and Ledger is not. :dry:


Smart and civilized was thrown out the minute you decided to butcher the English language the way that you have. I mean, even Jeffrey Dahmer read your posts and squirmed.


I hope you never have to interact with someone so intolerant and cynical like you in other coutry wen you try to talk in other Language!

[SUPERSEBAS]

....which would...be....selling the idea....that Crispin is better and Ledger is not. :dry:


Smart and civilized was thrown out the minute you decided to butcher the English language the way that you have. I mean, even Jeffrey Dahmer read your posts and squirmed.


I think I will never going to come here to talk or share my opinions or show my art again! mostly everybody treated me very bad!

bye

[Crooklyn]

I'll oblige to the first 2 suggestions...but leave the last. I actually enjoy your artwork. :o :up:

[Jekyll Faygo]

I am happy to introduce myself to the SHH boards. I thank you humbly for my acceptance and look forward to rewarding conversation in the coming months.

For the record, I'm a strong Heath Ledger supporter and anticipate some talk about his performance in "Candy" released yesterday on DVD. It takes about 10 seconds of screentime in Lords of Dogtown to realize that we're dealing with a very capable character actor here.

Thanks again for the oppurtunity to speak my mind,
Jekyll Faygo.

[Nepenthes]

^ politeness and good sense goes a long way. i like you already :up:

[Nepenthes]

I think I will never going to come here to talk or share my opinions or show my art again! mostly everybody treated me very bad!

bye

now that's just silly. just because we don't agree with you you shouldn't have your feelings hurt. it doesn't matter that your English is horrible because we CAN still understand what you're saying. and apart from the Glover stuff I think people will appreciate your posts. guys here are jerks sometimes (Crooklyn especially :cwink:) but so what.

[kenellard]

I think I will never going to come here to talk or share my opinions or show my art again! mostly everybody treated me very bad!

bye

The Glover stuff is completely ridiculous at this stage of the game, but if you must beat a dead horse, do it behind the hay-barn kid

[Miranda Fox]

I am happy to introduce myself to the SHH boards. I thank you humbly for my acceptance and look forward to rewarding conversation in the coming months.

For the record, I'm a strong Heath Ledger supporter and anticipate some talk about his performance in "Candy" released yesterday on DVD. It takes about 10 seconds of screentime in Lords of Dogtown to realize that we're dealing with a very capable character actor here.

Thanks again for the oppurtunity to speak my mind,
Jekyll Faygo.

*welcome hug*

Thanks for bringing such a thoughtful and intelligent post to the thread. :)

I think I will never going to come here to talk or share my opinions or show my art again! mostly everybody treated me very bad!

bye

We treat you badly because we *disagreed* with you?

Okay!

[itsthebatman]

Some people just can't accept defeat.
http://www.steveaddison.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/flogging%20dead%20horse.jpg

[itsthebatman]

[quote=Miranda Fox;11448373We treat you bad because we *disagreed* with you?

Okay![/quote]
Well, some people took the piss out of him because of his relatively poor grasp of English. Which isn't the point. They should have taken the piss for his poor taste in Joker candidates.

[kenellard]

his argument was like a broken pencil, pointless......

[Miranda Fox]

Well, some people took the piss out of him because of his relatively poor grasp of English. Which isn't the point. They should have taken the piss for his poor taste in Joker candidates.

Ah, that is true.

[itsthebatman]

his argument was like a broken pencil, pointless......

Man, I love Blackadder.

[kenellard]

Man, I love Blackadder.

well spotted! I'm not too hot on the first series, but 2 and 3 were classic, and what about the last episode of "goes forth"? I never thought a sit-com could be poingant

[itsthebatman]

The last episode was class.
'As cunning as a fox who's just appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?'
'The Great War, 1914 - 1917!'

[Miranda Fox]

The last episode was class.
'As cunning as a fox who's just appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?'
'The Great War, 1914 - 1917!'

The ending of Black Adder Goes Forth gets me everytime. Great show.

[itsthebatman]

So, Heath Ledger as Joker, anyone?

[regwec]

People who miss the humour in Blackadder I disappoint me. It's less of a straightforward period sitcom than the later series, and more of a satire on contempory views of the medieval era (plague everywhere, torture a popular pastime, justice decided by a game of "guess the hand"). It had to be bleak to work, and a weak, snivelling Blackadder was the best vehicle for that. His more suave and irreverant incarnations suited Elizabethan and Regency England much better. It is my opinion that Rowan Atkinson et al have to do one final series set back in Roman Britain- the potential for backstabbing is huge.

Anyway, Heath Ledger may be an imaginative casting decision, but he seems to have achieved an understanding of the character that is comparable with Bale's of Batman.

[itsthebatman]

People who miss the humour in Blackadder I disappoint me. It's less of a straightforward period sitcom than the later series, and more of a satire on contempory views of the medieval era (plague everywhere, torture a popular pastime, justice decided by a game of "guess the hand"). It had to be bleak to work, and a weak, snivelling Blackadder was the best vehicle for that. His more suave and irreverant incarnations suited Elizabethan and Regency England much better. It is my opinion that Rowan Atkinson et al have to do one final series set back in Roman Britain- the potential for backstabbing is huge.

Anyway, Heath Ledger may be an imaginative casting decision, but he seems to have achieved an understanding of the character that is comparable with Bale's of Batman.

Much as I hate to do it, Regwec, I have to disappoint you. You may be right about the stire, the bleakness, the snivelling, but I just don't think it's as funny or as quotable as the other three series.

And I have a really good feeling about Ledger.:joker:

[Jekyll Faygo]

This cut-smile business is one of the reasons why I had to join the forum. That, and a strong desire to share any insights with such good people.

It's clear that Nolan is basing his Joker on the Bob Kane/Jerry Robinson figure first seen in Batman #1. Ever since picking up "The Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told" I've been looking at this story several times a month. Not only does it carry an almost addictive, quiet and straight-forward narrative, it haunts the reader with the inclusion of the Joker as a mysterious, psychopathic jewel-thief. His disfigurement is unexplained. It exists only as an expressionless mask when he's isn't gleeming with victory.
A cut-smile will only draw the character to a physical conclusion without
the sinister air of enigma that the original interpretation suggests. The Joker isn't always happy. He should be able to express himself with contemplation and anger without such a crutch begotten from gimick.

Also, the idea of Joker being an exclusive Jewel Thief is pretty f'n cool.
Not enough Jewel Thieves in films these days. Thanks for reading.

[regwec]

Welcome, and well said. The Joker is a character of several hues and shades, and I reject entirely the calls to reduce him to a physical monster with the wits and attitudes of any number of generic movie psychos.

I have said before that I would prefer The Joker to be a man of (fairly) conventional material ambitions, but unconventional methods. I tend to think that "jewel thief" has become a role too neatly tessellated with Selina Kyle to provide a general raison d'etre for The Joker, but I do support his status as a robber, a hitman and a mobster.

[itsthebatman]

Jekyll, you seem to have a good deal of sense! Good to see. Joker is a multi-faceted character, with a lot of potential for a good actor to work with. Not just another slasher/serial killer.
Did either of you read the No Mans Land storyline where he kidnapped the babies to kill hope, and, in the end, killed Sarah Essen-Gordon? Not something Two-Face, Penguin or Scarecrow would have pulled off.

[ghost_x]

More often than not, movie goers bypass the fact that the Joker is primarily a thief rather than merely your conventional homicidal sociopath. I particularly enjoy the aspects of how he would choose the items to steal, using an obsessive compulsion rather than a general lust or greed for riches suits his character a great deal more.

and Welcome To The Hype Jekyll

[Jekyll Faygo]

Haven't read No Man's Land but am very interested in the Graphic Novel series of the same name.
In my opinion friends, we're going to see the bare-bones menace that Joker was intended to be. A killer is on the loose in Gotham City calling himself "The Joker". He hears of certain exhibitions and prized possessions in the media and makes no secrets of his plans to steal them. Through clever traps and conundrums, he seems to be one step ahead of the law.
That is, as I forsee, he publically (radio show) targets victims such as Commisioner Loeb (RIP) Rachel Dawes and, eventually The Batman himself. This last one will really get the suspense going. Perhaps even put a bit of a scare into the once-fearless Bruce Wayne....

"The Joker Has Spoken"

[itsthebatman]

Definitely there'll be aspects of Batman #1. Some of my favourite Joker stories have run with the idea of targetting victims publicly (LOTDK #50, Laughing Fish/Sign of the Joker, TMWL), so I really hope they run with that. A very public crime spree by an insane genius - sounds good.

[Jekyll Faygo]

Don't get me wrong either readers, the last thing I want to see is Joker's face on jumbotrons in Gotham Square with G-Span in the lower right hand corner. In fact, no one in the public eye should know what the Joker looks like. The few who do see him soon become the not-so-fortunate few who fall victim to his clandestine crimes.

And if we're going to have any type of origin in the film, I'd like it to be discussed in tidbits rather than shown in (gasp) monotone-colored flashbacks.

Ex:
Maroni: I should havemade sure you sank to the bottom of that cesspool along with all the other rat-bastards on that crew.

Joker (Flatly): Well, it's true-one has to have a going away party before they can celebrate the homecoming.

[Hades]

I think making the Joker jewish would also make sense.

[itsthebatman]

Don't get me wrong either readers, the last thing I want to see is Joker's face on jumbotrons in Gotham Square with G-Span in the lower right hand corner. In fact, no one in the public eye should know what the Joker looks like. The few who do see him soon become the not-so-fortunate few who fall victim to his clandestine crimes.

And if we're going to have any type of origin in the film, I'd like it to be discussed in tidbits rather than shown in (gasp) monotone-colored flashbacks.

Ex:
Maroni: I should havemade sure you sank to the bottom of that cesspool along with all the other rat-bastards on that crew.

Joker (Flatly): Well, it's true-one has to have a going away party before they can celebrate the homecoming.

I don't know, I thought they did this very well in TMWL. It was very public, people knew what he looked like but still not who he was. He doesn't strike from the shadows, it does it in full view. I agree, no origin.

[itsthebatman]

I think making the Joker jewish would also make sense.

And then the origin story can start at his bar mitzvah.

[Hades]

And then the origin story can start at his bar mitzvah.
Yes. The Evil Jew faction broke into his house and cast a evil jew curse on the young boy so that his nose becomes large and he has to steal money to sustain his life force.

[Jekyll Faygo]

Hey Mel, care to respond to Danny Glover's recent debunking of a fifth "Lethal Weapon" film?

[kenellard]

great way to debut on the hype jakyll! That's something that even I had sort of lost sight of, the joker does have material ambitions and is not just a run-of-the-mill movie serial killer. I think that misconcepion is what has led many to call for a more gruesome joker than has ever been depicted in the comics, it's important to rememember, he's not just a murderer, there's always something in it for him

[Dirt Like Me]

the joker does have material ambitions and is not just a run-of-the-mill movie serial killer.

While I agree that the Joker shouldn't be a straight-up serial killer, I think that to say that his ambitions are material is understating things a bit.

Yes, in the two stories from Batman #1 he steals jewels. But I feel like there's an underlying theme where he's as much interested in establishing that he's better than other thieves, and smarter than anybody who would stop him.

For example, from his first appearence: "Those bungling police--how they would like to know how I managed it! And how I should like to shout the answer into their stupid faces!" Yeah, he's happy about his jewel collection, but he seems equally happy about how he did it.

Also, let's not forget that in that first issue he kills to establish this perceived superiority; a rival gangster, a judge who sent him to prison once, the chief of police, and a "public reformer".

So, while I agree that he shouldn't be Jack the Ripper, I think that the Joker's material gains/jewels are more of a pretext to his ego-stroking. That also makes him a better foe for Batman, because the motivation behind his behavior is more than monetary.

[Jekyll Faygo]

Absolutely fantastic comments coming from the admirable mind of Dirt Like Me.

I'm also quite fond of the early, increasingly comic stories of The Sparrow whom the Joker considers direct competition for Gotham's Grand Champion of Crime. Make no mistake, once Batman first foils one of the Joker's clever schemes, a classic relationship will be re-born.

Furthermore, if the Joker does indeed go on trial, or at least to prison, he'll have his sights set on our famously bifercated prosecutor. I think he'll have his chance in the courtroom but the vote is still out on whether or not it'll involve Maroni.

[Nepenthes]

*puke*

A jewel thief who wants to 'be the best criminal in Gotham' is one of the most shallow and tired motivations for the Joker I've ever heard. It's not a way to feed his ego, it's petty - 'teasing' people by committing crimes is for much lesser villains. Regwec is right on this.

[Jekyll Faygo]

*steps cautiously over puke*

It's an interesting read for historical purposes but for the The Dark Knight, I too would like to see something a little more intense.
As far as motivations go, I'd like to see Joker smite whoever gave him the toxic bath. However, this would have already been done were it the case before the 'double homicide, armed robbery' mentioned in BB.
Also, Jack's Joker did this very thing in Batman '89 with Grissom.

Anyone care to take a crack at an effective character arc?

[Hades]

Isn't the Joker's motivation something like trying to make Batman see the world the way he views it. Oooh, and he'd probably want to take over Gotham.

[Jekyll Faygo]

I see what you're talking about Mel, but didn't we just have Ras Al Ghul lecture Bruce on how to view the world?

[Dirt Like Me]

Maybe I'm misreading regwec, but:

I have said before that I would prefer The Joker to be a man of (fairly) conventional material ambitions, but unconventional methods.

"(fairly) conventional material ambitions": To me, this says that the Joker would be in it for money. I don't see the character that way. If there's any element of him being a thief in TDK (like he was in 1940), I hope his ambitions are neither conventional or material. In fact, I don't think he cares about money any further than he needs it to keep himself in business.

Saying he wants to be the best thief is putting it the wrong way. But at the very least he thinks he's better (generally) than other criminals and the police. That's part of why he thinks he alone is the perfect foe for Batman.

[Jekyll Faygo]

What exactly do you think the Joker should be doing in TDK?
And if I may, what approach do you think Team Nolan are taking?

[Jekyll Faygo]

What exactly do you think the Joker should be doing in TDK?
And if I may, what approach do you think Team Nolan are taking?

[Paste Pot Pete]

Don't get me wrong either readers, the last thing I want to see is Joker's face on jumbotrons in Gotham Square with G-Span in the lower right hand corner. In fact, no one in the public eye should know what the Joker looks like. The few who do see him soon become the not-so-fortunate few who fall victim to his clandestine crimes.


First of all, welcome to the Hype. We always appreciate new members, particularly ones with intelligent arguments and friendly demeanors. :woot:

This is where I'll differ from you, however. I think the Joker should make himself as public a figure as possible. It's a huge character element dating back to his first appearance - announcing his crimes on the radio, "The Joker has spoken!" and all that. With the times, naturally he moved to television (which is, for obvious reasons, the more effective medium for him) in stories like "The Laughing Fish" and even Burton's Batman.

For the Joker, a crime isn't worth commiting if he can't take credit for it. He leaves the calling card, sure. But his appearance is his most valuable weapon. In the original Red Hood story, he explains how, when he emerged from the toxins and went mad, he realized his face "could terrify people." I'd like him to use it to terrify the innocents of Gotham, as the anti-Batman.

[Jekyll Faygo]

I almost forgot about the calling card Pete, and you're absolutely right. This here tells us right off the bat (no pun intended) that he desires some element of fame. I liek the idea of the Joker calling on radio shows and putting announcements in the paper, but the television medium and Joker's face on magazines kind of makes me cringe. Anyone else think that V looked fairly silly in "V For Vendetta" during those television appearances?

Props as well on the Red Hood story, amazing how well those old things still hold up isn't it?

[Crooklyn]

I liek the idea of the Joker calling on radio shows and putting announcements in the paper, but the television medium and Joker's face on magazines kind of makes me cringe.
But what's the difference?

Anyone else think that V looked fairly silly in "V For Vendetta" during those television appearances?
You're probably the only one. :o

[Jekyll Faygo]

The difference, when one actually thinks about it, is the blinding fact that one medium is visual while the other is strictly audible. Moving pictures are unable to emit from devices such as radios or newspapers.
Also, I really hope I'm not the only one who thinks that about V for Vendetta. Such embarrasment could limit both my self esteem and my input to forum such as this one.
Lastly, I really wish there was a sufficient emoticon to further express myself.

[Tobiaswins]

The Joker as a Jewel thief? I'ts certainly not below him.

A homicidal Maniac? Again it's certainly not below him.

The way I see it, you simply cannot limit Mr J to any one thing. The one thing that should at "least in my opinion" stand out about The Joker is the fact that he's absolutely unpredictable. The man's insane obviously, but certainly not stupid, and he should "again in my opinion" be all about causing chaos and making a name for himself. He should always be one step ahead of the police, and at the same time feared in the criminal underworld. I for one would like to see Mr J out to humiliate the police by commiting a few crimes in broad daylight and evading capture. I'd like him to be such a menace that organizations such as the FBI and CIA join the hunt.

[Nepenthes]

Anyone care to take a crack at an effective character arc?

now that is a cracker of a question....

I'm almost inclined to say he shouldn't have one. He's impervious to outside effects. The only thing that really influences him is Batman, and all he does is intensify what the Joker already is. So maybe the Joker begins as a half-recognisable human being with clear logic and a focused demeanor and plans against the mob etc, and then ends up as an absolute raving monster out shiiit on anyone he can and prove his point his to the world. He ends up alot more frightening than he was when he started, and if we can recognize WHY and what he is at that stage maybe that's all the arc he needs.

I'd like to see Joker smite whoever gave him the toxic bath. However, this would have already been done were it the case before the 'double homicide, armed robbery' mentioned in BB.

I hope so. If he's already whacked his main enemies this means Batman can do the detective work to puzzle out his origin bit by bit within the timeframe of TDK, rather than having the movie portray the vengeance scenes firsthand (depends if you support an origin or not, I definitely do)

[Crooklyn]

The difference, when one actually thinks about it, is the blinding fact that one medium is visual while the other is strictly audible. Moving pictures are unable to emit from devices such as radios or newspapers.
Thanks for stating the obvious, lol. I meant in how that would make a difference in accordance to the story, or Joker's character.

[Jekyll Faygo]

I just think that there should be a palpable mystery around Joker and we should only see him in third person when he's commiting crimes until the conclusion when Batman takes him down and tosses him into Arkham. Anything else about his character should be kept to discussion, and, as the Gentle Voice we keep hearing about (Both with Brian, if it's the Joker, or on the radio)

[Crooklyn]

Well then that wouldn't be the Joker. That's something more fit for the Zodiac (great movie btw). As already established, Joker is a public character, plain and simple. He takes pride in the attention, and loves to be in the spotlight. Placing him in the shadows 3/4 of the movies does a great injustice to the "performance" required for this character imo.

Not to mention it'd be a marketing disaster for this film. People have been waiting ages for another Batman vs Joker showdown, doing it in the final minutes just isn't gonna cut a nearly 2 decade wait.

[Jekyll Faygo]

True, very true. Great comments.
I'm just anxious to see how he'll be potrayed in this Nolan Universe. Take Ras Al Ghul for example: He managed to do anyway with the Lazarus Pits and Talia and still make a very strong villain and overall character. How do you mute an icon like The Joker for the sake of realism? A hitman who was buried alive in chemicals sounds familiar but still very cool.

I think that first picture we get of him this summer (hopefully) will draw some exhausting conclusions. All I ask for are some VERY subtle nose and chin prosthetics to get rid of Ledger's boxy face. All the manips I've seen are either goofy or overtly scary. I think Nolan's Joker is above all going to be unsettling and bizarre.

Has anyone seen "Candy?" The clips I've seen are all great.

[Crooklyn]

True, very true. Great comments.
I'm just anxious to see how he'll be potrayed in this Nolan Universe. Take Ras Al Ghul for example: He managed to do anyway with the Lazarus Pits and Talia and still make a very strong villain and overall character.
Well idk if Ra's was a strong villain, he barely had development time. Whereas with the previous franchise, too much time was focused on the villains, here it was severely undercut. But...it's an origin film so it's an excusable attempt. As for Talia and the Pits, they weren't necessarily done away with. Nolan left subtle clues that hinted at the possibility of their existence. He took the character a different way, but didn't tread over any existing material.


How do you mute an icon like The Joker for the sake of realism? A hitman who was buried alive in chemicals sounds familiar but still very cool.
That's the thing. In my opinion...you don't. The character is either being faithfully adapted or isn't. Realism should makes it's way for fantasy, not the other way around. Less you want to make a watered-down version of said character.

Has anyone seen "Candy?" The clips I've seen are all great.
I have. Good performance from Heath, but I don't really think it gives a remote indication of how he'd play Joker.

[kenellard]

I think the joker is the one element where even the most hardened advocate of realism would be calling for a faithful adaptation. Obviously there is more than one way to get the character right, as with batman himself, but there are so many more ways to get the character of the Joker completely wrong, that's what I'm worried about. The characterisation of the Joker in TDK needs to be all or nothing, trying to bring him down to a realistic level in any way would be a fatal mistake IMO

[Jekyll Faygo]

Well said kenellard. Why can't the character truly exist in this realistic world that Nolan is going for. If anything, such a colorful personality in what's looks to be nothing more than downtown Chicago will only make for a more bizarre and interesting character.

That been said, what exactly can Nolan do with the Joker that would constitute a fatal mistake? (white face paint aside)

[itsthebatman]

Well said kenellard. Why can't the character truly exist in this realistic world that Nolan is going for. If anything, such a colorful personality in what's looks to be nothing more than downtown Chicago will only make for a more bizarre and interesting character.

That been said, what exactly can Nolan do with the Joker that would constitute a fatal mistake? (white face paint aside)

No have green hair, white skin or red lips. Shaved head. Poor costume. make him a generic serial killer. Turn him into John Doe or hannibal Lecter, as some people seem to want.

[Jekyll Faygo]

If you could have one writer/artist incarnation of Joker in The Dark Knight, who would you choose?

[Miranda Fox]

If you could have one writer/artist incarnation of Joker in The Dark Knight, who would you choose?

Englehart for writer. Brian Bolland for artist (partly because it's one incarnation of the Joker Heath greatly resembles.)

[regwec]

Maybe I'm misreading regwec, but:

"(fairly) conventional material ambitions": To me, this says that the Joker would be in it for money. I don't see the character that way. If there's any element of him being a thief in TDK (like he was in 1940), I hope his ambitions are neither conventional or material. In fact, I don't think he cares about money any further than he needs it to keep himself in business.

Saying he wants to be the best thief is putting it the wrong way. But at the very least he thinks he's better (generally) than other criminals and the police. That's part of why he thinks he alone is the perfect foe for Batman.

I think you're reading me right, but possibly interpreting me incorrectly. I do think that The Joker needs to have some basic, understandable motivation at the start of play. Armed robbery obviously fits. His more nihilistic, moustache-curling villainy- where his life's work might be the destruction of Gotham, Batman or the world- requires some prior exposition. Why is he so bloodthirsty? He is a narcissist, but why does he project his vanity onto a conflict with Batman? These are all elements that could and should be detailed in the film, and The Joker's character arc could perhaps be a journey from psychopathic mobster with a gimmic to daemonic jackernape with a taste for apocolypse. I also tend to think that J's schemes need to be materially productive in order for him to attract accolytes, who have almost always been an assett of the character.

[Crooklyn]

I wouldn't say all of that is required, per se...

[itsthebatman]

Someone said before in a thread that the Joker's motives should ultimately be understandable, but the means he employs to get there seem irrational or even insane to those who do not understand what he is trying to achieve.

[regwec]

I wouldn't say all of that is required, per se...

Of course not, it is personal preference, as with everything posted here.

[TheBat812]

Definitely the one from The Killing Joke. He's everything I've always imagined the Joker to be. But to be fair, I've only read like 3 batman comics (The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke and Batman: Year One).

[Hades]

What is the Joker's motivation anyway?

Like say, from the comics.

[Hades]

Definitely the one from The Killing Joke. He's everything I've always imagined the Joker to be. But to be fair, I've only read like 3 batman comics (The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke and Batman: Year One).Omg, get the **** out you monster!:wow:

[regwec]

What is the Joker's motivation anyway?

Like say, from the comics.

It's an open book, which is why there is so much debate here, and so much hope and anxiety about the upcoming film. Bob Kane's Joker is completely different from Grant Morrison's Joker which is completely different from Paul Dini's Joker which is completely different from Frank Miller's Joker which is completely different from Steve Engelhardt's Joker. He's almost more of a loose archetype with an iconic appearance than a single character.

[Jekyll Faygo]

Fantastic summation regwec. But which direction do you see the film taking?
It seems to me like TDK will embody the Kane/Robinson incarnation more than others. Frank Miller's seems to be the least likely while Dini and Morrison's represent more of a lyrical and established personality.

[Retroman]

They're showing 10 Things I Hate About You on tv now. Not a bad movie.

[itsthebatman]

You're just too good to be true, Retroman.

[Retroman]

You're just too good to be true, Retroman.

lol I just said a movie was on tv.:woot: Coincidentally one with Ledger.

[itsthebatman]

lol I just said a movie was on tv.:woot: Coincidentally one with Ledger.

It's from a song Ledger sings during the movie.
#You're just too good to be true
Can't take my eyes off of you
You'd be like heaven to touch
I want to hold you so much

That song.

Not that that's how I feel about you, Retro.

[Crooklyn]

Don't worry, it's ok. We wouldn't think lower of you....as much as we do already. :o :p

[Dirt Like Me]

What exactly do you think the Joker should be doing in TDK?

Preface: This is all just one guy's opinon. The strength of these characters is that they mean different things to all of us.

At the start at least, I'd like to see him settling old scores 'Five Way Revenge Style'. I hope this will all be taking place against the backdrop of a lot of mafia tension in wake of Falcone's disappearence and the vacumn that it creates in terms of control. As Joker offs mob capos, whatever families are left (Maroni, Rossi? Viti?) blame each other for the hits, each thinking that the other is responsible for the calling cards, and a full-on mob war breaks out. While this is happening, the Joker becomes less of a priority to Gotham law enforcement and he uses this opening to rob some banks to fund his next operations.

But, he misses the attention and loves the chaos, so he hatches some bigger plans, and calls his shots, but his motivations that aren't clear. Like the mall bombing from the casting sides--I'd like to see him do this without any ransom demand. It's just to create panic. Then, the culmination of it all could be the boat side. Batman will use his detective skills to figure out that the Joker is raising all this hell and set off the mob war, and eventually takes him down.

If the Joker kills off Dawes, which was a popular idea, (and I'm not in the camp that says he should) I hope it's not for the plot purpose of simply "making it personal" between him and Batman. I do, however, think it could serve the story by driving a wedge into the trio of Batman, Dent and Gordon, though. Dent would take it personally because Dawes is a fellow D.A., and he'd think Bats couldn't understand because he wears another face and nobody knows who he's close to. (The irony being that Bruce knew Rachel so well). Dent would get headstrong and pour himself into making a case against Maroni (as a way to strike back at the underworld), and would walk right into the trap that Maroni and Rossi have set up.


And if I may, what approach do you think Team Nolan are taking?

That's the million dollar question. And we'll all talk about the answer until July 2008.

[Jekyll Faygo]

This all sounds great to me Dirt, well done indeed. I haven't heard the other mob families brought up lately. Your thoughts on the different heads pointing fingers (and enventually guns) sounds like a great way to cause some escalation in Gotham. I'd be nice to see the Joker sneaking out from the bottom of the pig-pile.

Do you or anyone else have any thoughts concerning the Joker's capture and subsequent confinement? I believe he's the Prisoner from the sides but don't really see him going on trial in the conclusion or third picture.
Historically, the Joker always leaves himself an out when heading to Arkham.

[Nepenthes]

The Joker's character arc could perhaps be a journey from psychopathic mobster with a gimmic to daemonic jackernape with a taste for apocolypse. I also tend to think that J's schemes need to be materially productive in order for him to attract accolytes, who have almost always been an assett of the character.

I agree. Which is what I posted before;

maybe the Joker begins as a half-recognisable human being with clear logic and a focused demeanor and plans against the mob etc, and then ends up as an absolute raving monster out shiiit on anyone he can and prove his point his to the world. He ends up alot more frightening than he was when he started, and if we can recognize WHY and what he is at that stage maybe that's all the arc he needs.



I think the joker is the one element where even the most hardened advocate of realism would be calling for a faithful adaptation....The characterisation of the Joker in TDK needs to be all or nothing, trying to bring him down to a realistic level in any way would be a fatal mistake IMO

Well said kenellard. Why can't the character truly exist in this realistic world that Nolan is going for. If anything, such a colorful personality in what's looks to be nothing more than downtown Chicago will only make for a more bizarre and interesting character.

As a 'hardened advocate of realism' I can think of a few things that a re necessary for the the Joker in Nolans world. But I think these are obvious to everyone; Don't laugh every time he speaks. No handbuzzers and gimmicks. No purple suit, orange shirt, blue cravat, etc. Things like that. And we already know he's going to be more 'Batman no.1' than anything else, which is a significant choice.

Though I get you're you're saying, he does need to be truly bizzare. Like Batman was when he first appeared, an freakish anomaly in Gotham.

[Crooklyn]

As a 'hardened advocate of realism' I can think of a few things that a re necessary for the the Joker in Nolans world. But I think these are obvious to everyone; Don't laugh every time he speaks. No handbuzzers and gimmicks. No purple suit, orange shirt, blue cravat, etc. Things like that.
How do any of these things remotely pertain to "realism"?

:huh:

[Nepenthes]

They're all realistically possible but they'd maker Joker seem more like a cartoon character come to life :o(and cartoons aren't real)

[Crooklyn]

They're all realistically possible
So basically you chose the wrong word. :o


but they'd maker Joker seem more like a cartoon character come to life (and cartoons aren't real) :o
Except that as you already said, all the things you mentioned can exist well within reality as we know it. What you're questioning is it's "silliness", not plausibility.

Imo, Joker definitely should retain some of these cartoony aspects, it's been part of his character since his genesis. No reason to completely avoid it.

why do you ask questions to things you already know?
That would be quite a waste of time, I don't see why you'd think I'd do that. :huh:

[Nepenthes]

You already waste our time niggling over things that aren't hard to understand and have already been addressed a million times before. If it's silly, it's implausible, which is another word for 'unrealistic'. Btw I never said 'completely' avoid it so you've used a wrong word :o :cwink:

[itsthebatman]

Don't worry, it's ok. We wouldn't think lower of you....as much as we do already. :o :p

You talkin' to me? Cos' I don't see anybody else here?

[Miranda Fox]

Speaking of Joker's look:

http://walford.smugmug.com/photos/32090031-M.jpg

Something like that would be fine by me. It's modern but still keeping enough 'classic-Jokerness' so as not to be unfaithful.

What say you? I know Crooklyn is dying to disagree. :oldrazz:

[Muziko]

Speaking of Joker's look:

http://walford.smugmug.com/photos/32090031-M.jpg

Something like that would be fine by me. It's modern but still keeping enough 'classic-Jokerness' so as not to be unfaithful.

What say you? I know Crooklyn is dying to disagree. :oldrazz:

I don't dislike that look - however, I'm hoping that they go with more of the "classic" joker look for this film (i.e.: Hush Vol. 2's Joker which, incidentally, is my favorite rendition of the Joker in comics - that and The Killing Joke's Joker)

You're right Miranda - it does keep enough of the classic (at least in color scheme) look... so it may just work - that is, if that's the direction in which Nolan & Co. plan to head.

Cambio y Fuera,
Muziko

[itsthebatman]

Speaking of Joker's look:

http://walford.smugmug.com/photos/32090031-M.jpg

Something like that would be fine by me. It's modern but still keeping enough 'classic-Jokerness' so as not to be unfaithful.

What say you? I know Crooklyn is dying to disagree. :oldrazz:

Crooklyn? Disagree? But he normally keeps his opinions to himself. Such a quiet lad.
I like that look.

[Miranda Fox]

I don't dislike that look - however, I'm hoping that they go with more of the "classic" joker look for this film (i.e.: Hush Vol. 2's Joker which, incidentally, is my favorite rendition of the Joker in comics - that and The Killing Joke's Joker)

You're right Miranda - it does keep enough of the classic (at least in color scheme) look... so it may just work - that is, if that's the direction in which Nolan & Co. plan to head.

Cambio y Fuera,
Muziko

Agreed. It's not my ideal look by a long shot, but I imagine Nolan will want to add his own touch to whatever look the Joker will have.

Crooklyn? Disagree? But he normally keeps his opinions to himself. Such a quiet lad.

:woot:

[ghost_x]

It's a suitable look for Eccleston, but I can see Ledger pulling off something far more extravagant and joker-esque

[itsthebatman]

I don't dislike that look - however, I'm hoping that they go with more of the "classic" joker look for this film (i.e.: Hush Vol. 2's Joker which, incidentally, is my favorite rendition of the Joker in comics - that and The Killing Joke's Joker)

You're right Miranda - it does keep enough of the classic (at least in color scheme) look... so it may just work - that is, if that's the direction in which Nolan & Co. plan to head.

Cambio y Fuera,
Muziko

Michael Lark
http://www.thefourthrail.com/images/reviews/011204/gothamcentral15.jpg

Marshall Rogers
http://www.steveenglehart.com/Comics/Comics%20Images/Dark%20Detective%20II%201.jpg

Brian Bolland
http://www.latourdesheros.com/Batman_TAS/Personnages/Joker/2Origines_bolland.png

>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Lee
http://www.rogers-md.net/v/wallpapers/Jim_Lee_Batman_Foes.jpg

IMO, of course:oldrazz:

[ghost_x]

We'll be getting closest to Rogers I believe

[itsthebatman]

Which would be great. Classic Laughing Fish Joker - one of the best depictions.

[ghost_x]

Theres something so much more sinister with that version than something like Jim Lees who was more of a laughing buffoon

[Crooklyn]

Speaking of Joker's look:

http://walford.smugmug.com/photos/32090031-M.jpg

Something like that would be fine by me. It's modern but still keeping enough 'classic-Jokerness' so as not to be unfaithful.

What say you? I know Crooklyn is dying to disagree. :oldrazz:
Actuuuaaalllly, I was reppin' that pic quite a few times when it was originally released. One of the few things put out in this forum that I was completely behind. :o

But I don't like it for Ledger. Bane's manip kinda leaned me towards his idea of a more freakish' looking character. :oldrazz:

[Miranda Fox]

Actuuuaaalllly, I was reppin' that pic quite a few times when it was originally released. One of the few things put out in this forum that I was completely behind. :o

*falls out of chair* I don't believe it! :oldrazz:

But I don't like it for Ledger. Bane's manip kinda leaned me towards his idea of a more freakish' looking character. :oldrazz:

Bane's manip definitely pwns. :up:

[Dirt Like Me]

Theres something so much more sinister with that version than something like Jim Lees who was more of a laughing buffoon


:up:
I agree completely. And don't even get me started on Tim Sale's so-called Joker...

[Mercurius]

Either Boland's or Mckean's take would be the ideal ones for me. Something like one or the other. :joker:

[Orko Is King]

I'm really digging Michael Lark's.

[regwec]

I tend to agree that Ledger (who looks less like the paradigm of a classic Joker than some other actors) probably needs some more conservative costume in order for audiences to instantly associate him with the character.

Just a purple suit and a pink orchid in the buttonhole are fine. It can be a modern cut of suit, but I think it needs to look crisp and clean, and the purple just works.

[Van Petrol]

Saw this on BOF.....

Joker Model?

I found this picture of a Joker model. I don't know if its real but it caught me by surprise. It was linked with the leaked pages so thanks to Anjow he put it on another link.

http://usera.imagecave.com/anjow1060/ledger_joker_4.jpg
http://usera.imagecave.com/anjow1060/ledger_joker_4.jpg

Source: http://p088.ezboard.com/Joker-Model/fbatmanonfilm81780frm18.showMessage?topicID=1820.t opic

[Miranda Fox]

Saw this on BOF.....


Source: http://p088.ezboard.com/Joker-Model/fbatmanonfilm81780frm18.showMessage?topicID=1820.t opic

I like the suit and obviously the fact he has the 'classic' features but everything else? :down:

I hope this is just a fan's design.

[Van Petrol]

Yeah, I agree. It looks a bit too realistic (in terms of Nolan's grounded realism concept).

[Crooklyn]

If by realistic you mean 'looks like it was designed by a 7 year old' then yeah, totally agree.

[Van Petrol]

If by realistic you mean 'looks like it was designed by a 7 year old' then yeah, totally agree.

Not exactly. What I meant was the appearance in terms of attire looks more grounded in realism, and not as expressive and OTT if you will to what we've been accustomed to the Joker usually wearing.

[odiin]

If there's anything about the joker I would consider "unrealistic" it sure wouldn't be his clothes. It's not that hard to have clothes like that specially made. It's the chemically altered white skin, green hair, and perma-smile i would be concerned about.