The Official Beast Wars Thread

[ShadowBoxing]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/8/80/Predacons_bw.jpg
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http://www.asmzine.com/reviews/dvd/bm_dvd_01.jpg


Discuss the incredible finale to Generation 1, the Beast Wars, right here on SHH. The toys, the show, the comic tie ins, and any number of things devoted to this show. Any new Beast Wars news will be posted on this thread.

[1987olds442]

I loved the Beast Wars series but hated the series after.... Ironic how Beast Machines initials are BM :oldrazz:

[Nathan]

Liked Beast Wars. I even liked the vibe and stories of Beast Machines. What I didn't like was that they just looked to terribly ugly.

[Prognosticator]

I feel the need to mark this thread for further inspection when I have more time to nerd around.

**Throws down pellet of Ninja dust**

PPFFFF!!!

[GL1]

Beast Wars owned my sunday mornings... that and Captain Simian and the Space Monkeys.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Cheetor(sp?) started my love for all cats, actually. The Cheetah is my favorite cat because they're so fast. Cheetor is my Nesgro.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

I loved the first and second seasons. The third was a little too large in scope for my tastes towards the end, and the only real highlights I can think in the long run from Beast Machines was the portrayl of Megatron and the graphics. Sadly, BM brought down a great story. BW ended up becoming another ReBoot where the finale did it no justice, but it was one heck of a ride when the going was good.

[cabel]

Code of Hero, nuff said

Oh yeah, Scott McNeil is god, now nuff said

[ShadowBoxing]

http://www.transformersforever.com/newtfsitefiles/TFsite5-2001/imagegallery/beastwars/season%202/13/watermarked/cap773.jpg
The future has changed, yessss. The Autobots lose, Evil Trimuphs!!! And you...YOU - NO - LONGER - EXISSSTTTTT!!!!!!!

[MaskedManJRK]

You know what, I'll just come right out and say it.

Beast Wars was infinately times better than Transformers.

Yeah, I said it. Who wants some?! :mad:

[lars573]

One thing I always wondered was why they killed off Terrorsaur and Scorponok. Never really made sense.

[ShadowBoxing]

One thing I always wondered was why they killed off Terrorsaur and Scorponok. Never really made sense.
I get the impression it was just to make room for new characters. Granted their deaths weren't dramatic, but then again neither were half the deaths in TFTM (it's quiet possible they were spoofing that a little too, Beast Wars made quiet a few cracks at the old show).

[ShadowBoxing]

You know what, I'll just come right out and say it.

Beast Wars was infinately times better than Transformers.

Yeah, I said it. Who wants some?! :mad:
The cartoon, most I would hope would agree. The comic was at least on par though.

[lars573]

I get the impression it was just to make room for new characters. Granted their deaths weren't dramatic, but then again neither were half the deaths in TFTM (it's quiet possible they were spoofing that a little too, Beast Wars made quiet a few cracks at the old show).
I guess. But they killed of TS and Scorponok at the start of season 2. Tigatron, Airrazor and Dinobot didn't kick it until father along.

[Darth Rockwell]

Beast Wars was my favorite series. I think it had to do with the fact that it was the only series I saw from start to end. I even own all the DVDs. Though I have to admit as I've gone back and started to watch G1 again, when I can, everything seems awsome.

[Lord Blackbolt]

I didn't like the end of beast Machines....what...now Cybertron is a green planet now? THAT's the END of the Gen. 1 story.....??? I wish they'd do a series on what happened next

[Thirteen Shadows]

Beast Wars was the s*** to me growing up. I absolutely loved the show with a passion. Code of Hero is my favorite episode out of all the Transformers Shows that there have been.

I really like how some of the characters, over the series, received different alt modes. That was always cool to me.

Also, who didn't love Waspinator? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8f/Waspinator-boxart.jpg/240px-Waspinator-boxart.jpg

[Darth Rockwell]

I really liked how at the end DInobot found his true self again and once again sacraficed himself.

[Kal-El 8]

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/0410/tfbeastwars01_cvrincentive.jpg
I love BEAST WARS Season 1 - 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2KHPjaqjdI

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Optimusprimals.png
and if you haven't guessed by now Optimus Primal was my favorite .

[Zipperedgorilla]

One thing that seemed weird to me was that the size of the bots. The G1 bots were so many times bigger than the Beast Wars characters when they introduced them in the arc segments. The predacons and maximals were kinda tiny compared to the cousins. It just seems like the G1's could step on them. Granted they scanned animals and fossils, but shouldn't the stayed the same size? Because characters like waspinator didn't become smaller.

[deathshead2]

One thing that seemed weird to me was that the size of the bots. The G1 bots were so many times bigger than the Beast Wars characters when they introduced them in the arc segments. The predacons and maximals were kinda tiny compared to the cousins. It just seems like the G1's could step on them. Granted they scanned animals and fossils, but shouldn't the stayed the same size? Because characters like waspinator didn't become smaller.The beast wars characters were smaller not because of the forms they scanned, but becasue they didn't have to use as much energon as the big guys. I think they even stated that in the show. That as the war went on the bots were designed and made smaller. So they can use as much energon as possible. Unlike the old G1 bots. How used alot more than they did.

[Zipperedgorilla]

Cool, thanks for the info.

[Abaddon]

Beast Wars was my favorite series. I think it had to do with the fact that it was the only series I saw from start to end. I even own all the DVDs. Though I have to admit as I've gone back and started to watch G1 again, when I can, everything seems awsome.

Technology and organic life lived in harmony.

[VaderRISE]

Is there anyway to get the series on DVD now?

[Eternalzero]

Beast Wars was amazing. I grew up watching reruns and last episodes of G1 Transformers (born in 86) in the morning and had an idea of the show when Beast Wars came along. Beast Wars blew G1 out of the water in themes, morals, story and effects. The season finales where like FUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHKKKKKKKKK what is going to happen next and how are they going to get out of this one?

I will admit I missed a lot of Season 3, but season 2 was by far my favorite. Great show, great character progression and etc.... made even better by the overlapping of G1 characters (crapped my pants when I saw Starscream and Megatron).

Beast Machines was a little too much for me. I love the WARS aspect and machines was a little too.....plot, suspense driven. 4 heroes (don't even remember what happened to others) of which ratrap didn't even have a proper alt mode. Megatron was some big machine thing at the core, and rhinox and thunderbolt (or whatever his name was) were cheapy futuristic tank and motorcycle.

The trans metal series seems like it could've been cooler, but the idea of heading back to cybertron could have been approached better.

Beast wars will always be the best. I just wish they would relaunch transformers (not the crapy ass animation we are getting by CN) and push the series forward again, no anime and asian people humor please...

[lars573]

Beast Machines was a little too much for me. I love the WARS aspect and machines was a little too.....plot, suspense driven. 4 heroes (don't even remember what happened to others) of which ratrap didn't even have a proper alt mode. Megatron was some big machine thing at the core, and rhinox and thunderbolt (or whatever his name was) were cheapy futuristic tank and motorcycle.
You just answered your own question. Only 7 TF's went back to Cybertron at the end of Beast Wars. Optimus, Rhinox, Rattrap, Blackarachnia, Silverbolt, Cheetor on the Maximal side. With Megatron their prisoner. Also the motorcycle, Thurst, was Waspinator. The protohumans threw him out as their leader and he went back to Cybertron (and to his own time) somehow. Silverbolt was Jetstorm, the jet.

[Darth Rockwell]

I don't understand everyones hate for Beast Machines. I thought it was a decient follow up to Beast Wars. Granted I didn't see it when it first came out, picked up the DVD release about five months ago. It was a good show and I thought it ended that saga nicely.

However I would love to see a continuation of that timeline. I keep hearing that that is what Universe was but I don't know if that was just toys or if there was a comic for that.

[Eternalzero]

You just answered your own question. Only 7 TF's went back to Cybertron at the end of Beast Wars. Optimus, Rhinox, Rattrap, Blackarachnia, Silverbolt, Cheetor on the Maximal side. With Megatron their prisoner. Also the motorcycle, Thurst, was Waspinator. The protohumans threw him out as their leader and he went back to Cybertron (and to his own time) somehow. Silverbolt was Jetstorm, the jet.

yeah I remember it not being so "warsy" and more "run away and lets take a million episodes to figure out who is who now."

Wasn't a great fan of that show, beast wars was pretty epic though.

[Spidey328]

My favorite Beast Wars character hands down is Dinobot, simply a badass!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Beastwarsdinobot.jpg
I am a Warrior. Let the battle be joined"

I nearly choked up when he was killed off in season 2. He quoted Hamlet as he spoke his final words.

Damn and Megatron was freaking obsessed with Dinobot even cloning him.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Preview_08.jpg
I remember owning the Transmetal Dinobot clone as a kid.

Second favorite was Rattrap!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Rattrap-boxart.jpg
The 'Vermin' as Dinobot and Megatron referred to him.

[M.O.Steel]

my favorite was the second incarnation of primal, the blue gorilla with the hoverboard...

I also really liked both wars and machines more than the original, again most likely because that was my first thorough exposure to transformers and i saw t from the begininig to the end.

[VaderRISE]

Does anyone know where I can get BW and BM on DVD? I can't seem to find them anywhere.... :(

[deathshead2]

Does anyone know where I can get BW and BM on DVD? I can't seem to find them anywhere.... :(
Either amazon or ebay. Rhino the guys who made the dvds, went bankrupt I think. So they can't reissue them.

[VaderRISE]

Really? That sucks. I'll do some searching.

[Spidey-Bat]

They went bankrupt? Wow, I bought the DVDs just last year.

[deathshead2]

They went bankrupt? Wow, I bought the DVDs just last year.
Rhino is still there but they don't really do anything. You were lucky when you got your dvds.

[Colossal Spoons]

I stopped watching Beast Machines for some reason. Did they ever turn Tankor back into a good guy(Rhinox)?

[Colossal Spoons]

my favorite was the second incarnation of primal, the blue gorilla with the hoverboard...

Aw man, I'd forgotten about Transmetal Optimus :D

http://www.secondtruth.com/bwtf/char0.jpg

[Spidey-Bat]

I stopped watching Beast Machines for some reason. Did they ever turn Tankor back into a good guy(Rhinox)?

Just for that one episode. That pissed me off so much. Rhinox was the best and they totally screwed him over. It would have been cool if he at least turned back into a Maximal/Autobot at the end of the show. It would have been cool to see his form.

[Doomed Hero Rising]

These were the transformers I grew up with! My first transformer was Waspinator. I was trying to match up all the G1 Transformers with the Beast Wars ones
Like
Optimus Prime = Optimus Primal
Megatron = Megatron lol
Hot Shot = Cheetor
Ironhide = Rhinox

[Spidey-Bat]

Terrorsaur and Tarantulas were a lot like Starscream. Terrorsaur more so IMO until he died.

[dancing_on_fire]

Aw man, I'd forgotten about Transmetal Optimus :D

http://www.secondtruth.com/bwtf/char0.jpg

lol ive got that toy, its my favourite, remember being 10 and i was so obsessed with getting it, it was also definetly the best incarnation, the third looked good, but his personality sucked, and the vehicle mode sucked, they should of made him a super gorilla not a tank/jet it was overboard.

p.s how many beast wars toys do ppl have?? ive got about 11 :), optimus primal, cheetor tm, cheetor tm2, dinobot and dinobot tm2 to name a few.
i still want the original cheetor and optimus primal :(

[Spidey-Bat]

I have too many to count.

You can get remakes of the original Cheetor and Optimus Primal.

[Colossal Spoons]

Terrorsaur and Tarantulas were a lot like Starscream. Terrorsaur more so IMO until he died.

:up:

[Kal-El 8]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/45/wp3bigrt0.jpg
OPTIMUS PRIMAL

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6824/allthemaxisdn6.jpg -All seasons
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8853/beastwarsmaximalsei2.jpg - Season 1
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1332/maximalsbwrp9.jpg - Season 3

THE MAXIMALS

[DigificWriter]

I only saw a few Beast Wars eps, but watched almost all of Beast Machines, which I feel was really underrated. In fact, until I saw the new film, BW/BM Megatron was actually my favorite incarnation of the character, especially his BM iteration.

Speaking of BW/BM, I'd LOVE to get a live-action movie interpretation of the universe. I don't necessarily think there's any reason that the BW/BM universe necessarily HAS to be connected to the G1/G2 Universe of the original cartoon, or even the new movie (even though the two 'verses were connected in the original series). With that in mind, who would you pick for the Maximal and Predacon rosters in a live-action BW movie? Here's my list:
Maximals
Optimus Primal
Rhinox
Cheetor
Rattrap
Airrazor

Predacons
Megatron
Tarantulas
Waspinator
Dinobot
Terrorsaur
Blackarachnia

[Spidey-Bat]

I hated that Tigerhawk was only in like 2 or 3 episodes.

[Colossal Spoons]

I forget, but what prompted their change to Transmetal?

[Kal-El 8]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3577/optimusprimevsmegatron2lg6.jpg
Optimal Optimus Primal vs. Mega Megatron

[Spidey-Bat]

I forget, but what prompted their change to Transmetal?

It was just some wave of energy. It must have been from some meteor or something.

[MaskedManJRK]

p.s how many beast wars toys do ppl have?? ive got about 11 :), optimus primal, cheetor tm, cheetor tm2, dinobot and dinobot tm2 to name a few.
i still want the original cheetor and optimus primal :(

Christ, it's been years...and I'm sure I don't have them anymore because I lost a lot of things when I moved to a new house. :csad:

The only ones I remember having for sure was Rattrap and I forget it's name but it was a big-ass bald eagle.

[Kal-El 8]

I forget, but what prompted their change to Transmetal?

The Transwarp explosion (from the season 1 finale) Optimus Primal pilots a reconfigured stasis pod into center of the Vok Doomsday type Death Star weapon, (Expect Megatron at the last moment takes control of the pod controls and seals Primal in shut. preventing him from his original plan Which was to abandon the pod just before impact) Primal was killed in the huge Transwarp explosion when he and the pod reached the center core of the weapon .

[Kal-El 8]

The only ones I remember having for sure was Rattrap and I forget it's name but it was a big-ass bald eagle.

His name is Silverbolt (he is in love with Blackarachnia, and is resposible for her becoming a part of The Maximals Team in Season 3 .)

[MaskedManJRK]

His name is Silverbolt (he is in love with Blackarachnia, and is resposible for her becoming a part of The Maximals Team in Season 3 .)

Oh yeaaaah. I remember now! :woot:

Man, I seriously need to find the DVD sets.

[Kal-El 8]

Oh yeaaaah. I remember now! :woot:

Man, I seriously need to find the DVD sets.

I Got all 3 season's on dvd . http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/8031/spin.gif

[Nathan]

Great show, just sometimes too goofy even for my taste. Come on, Megatron with a rubber ducky in a bath tub? Or Waspinator getting squashed like a piece of paper?

[Kal-El 8]

Come on, Megatron with a rubber ducky in a bath tub?


It only happen once in a while . and I thought it was funny . (also he would try to hide it from his other teamates ) which made it even more hilarious . :woot:

[Nathan]

Just found this, a lot of rather silly scenes involving Megatron. I really like the first part.

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[Colossal Spoons]

The Transwarp explosion (from the season 1 finale) Optimus Primal pilots a reconfigured stasis pod into center of the Vok Doomsday type Death Star weapon, (Expect Megatron at the last moment takes control of the pod controls and seals Primal in shut. preventing him from his original plan Which was to abandon the pod just before impact) Primal was killed in the huge Transwarp explosion when he and the pod reached the center core of the weapon .

That's right

[MaskedManJRK]

Just found this, a lot of rather silly scenes involving Megatron. I really like the first part.

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Love the ant calling Megatron his "queen." Dinobot's reaction is espicially hilarious. :woot:

[dancing_on_fire]

I only saw a few Beast Wars eps, but watched almost all of Beast Machines, which I feel was really underrated. In fact, until I saw the new film, BW/BM Megatron was actually my favorite incarnation of the character, especially his BM iteration.

Speaking of BW/BM, I'd LOVE to get a live-action movie interpretation of the universe. I don't necessarily think there's any reason that the BW/BM universe necessarily HAS to be connected to the G1/G2 Universe of the original cartoon, or even the new movie (even though the two 'verses were connected in the original series). With that in mind, who would you pick for the Maximal and Predacon rosters in a live-action BW movie? Here's my list:
Maximals
Optimus Primal
Rhinox
Cheetor
Rattrap
Airrazor

Predacons
Megatron
Tarantulas
Waspinator
Dinobot
Terrorsaur
Blackarachnia

inferno should be with the predacons, and tigertron play a pretty important role in teaching the maximals how to control their beast modes.

[Kal-El 8]

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8403/battleofnemesisbyobidiave4.jpg
This is My all time favorite Optimus Primal vs. Megatron confrotation in The BEAST WARS Series it's in the series finale episode "Nemesis" part 2

*Primal flies into the control room of the Decepticons spaceship The Nemesis*

Megatron: Well, come on. Let's have it. The usual "Destiny and Honor" speech.

Optimus Primal: Speech this.

*Optimus punches Megatron in the face*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gihAliTCsko&mode=related&search=

[Nathan]

More Megatron goodness. :o

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[Kal-El 8]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Timelines_Optimus_Primal.jpg
Pre Beast Wars Maximal Form on Cybertron

http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/c/c1/Optimusprimalbw.jpg
Beast Wars

OPTIMUS PRIMAL MAXIMIZE!!!

[MaskedManJRK]

inferno should be with the predacons, and tigertron play a pretty important role in teaching the maximals how to control their beast modes.

Tigertron is optional, but yes, Inferno HAS to be there. He was kickass. :woot:

http://images1.wikia.com/transformers/images/thumb/8/81/Infernobwpostcard.jpg/380px-Infernobwpostcard.jpg

"For the ROYALTY!!!"

Also, Dinobot should be on the Maximal side. Other then that, I can dig it.

[spidergrant]

Beast Wars was the s*** to me growing up. I absolutely loved the show with a passion. Code of Hero is my favorite episode out of all the Transformers Shows that there have been.

I really like how some of the characters, over the series, received different alt modes. That was always cool to me.

Also, who didn't love Waspinator? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8f/Waspinator-boxart.jpg/240px-Waspinator-boxart.jpg
me i hated him he deserved to get his butt kicked all the time

[dancing_on_fire]

as i see it, they dont have to do a beast wars movie, they could always experiment by crossing over characters like scorponok who is a mechanical non robot form of the beast wars version than any of the others. Dinobot should be chosen, he would work well with the 'Dinobots' and hes personality was purely one of the best ther was, he was savage and brutal but had honor and respect and had a heart. He should be in the sequel or third one, sure grimlock fans wouldnt be too happy i guess but it wouldnt hurt :d

[spidergrant]

His name is Silverbolt (he is in love with Blackarachnia, and is resposible for her becoming a part of The Maximals Team in Season 3 .)
i think hes actually thinking of airrazor

[spidergrant]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Timelines_Optimus_Primal.jpg
Pre Beast Wars Maximal Form on Cybertron

http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/c/c1/Optimusprimalbw.jpg
Beast Wars

OPTIMUS PRIMAL MAXIMIZE!!!
how do you know thats what he looks like and where did you find the pic

[Spidey-Bat]

Last year, BotCon's exclusive figures were the Cybertron versions of the Beast Wars characters.

http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/37/airazor063.jpg
http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/37/airazor123.jpg

[Nathan]

Not bad. But I don't like Dinobot's Cybetron mode. He should be something more sleek.

[Spidey-Bat]

Yeah, his sucks. The only reason they used that model was because the head looked a LOT like Dinobot. I had it when it first came out in the Armada line and it's head looked exactly like Dinobot.

[spidergrant]

i cant tell who the green guy, the huge black guy, the little brown guy, and the yellow and brown guy are. i think the black guy might be megatron and the green guy might me rhinox. and the little brownlittle guy could be ratrap, and i guess the yellow and brown guy could be airrazor or something

[spidergrant]

does anyone know if beast wars 2 or beast wars neo ever made were translated into english

[Wolverini]

Didnt they confirm that there were NEW Beast Wars episodes in the works? I heared it was said at BotCon 2007 ... can anyone confirm this because I'm gonna squirt my pants if it is ...

[Kal-El 8]

BEAST WARS series
The Maximals
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1963/bwmaximalsfc2.jpg

The Predacons
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7150/bwpredaconsuv1.jpg

[Spidey-Bat]

Such a good series. I never liked Cheetor's TM2 form.

[Kal-El 8]

Theft of the Golden Disk

The never-before told tale of the Theft of the Golden Disk from Transformers: Beast Wars made its debut at Botcon 2007
featuring David Kaye (Megatron) .

Eight Criminals, One prize! Cybetron's most infamous heist is finally here. And now, the long awaited story behind Dawn of Future's Past and the Beast Wars...."Theft of the Golden Disk!"

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIJVSjIuNYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDRYFCO7fpo

[Syn (Mercenary)]

Pretty cool video. :up:

[Kal-El 8]

BW: Transformations (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=D1B30347DA4C68E7)

[DCnightwing23]

They need to continue the story. There is still more if you you really think about it. Like back on prehistoric earth, Dinobot TM2 clone, he was created with the spark of Rampage, who is indestructible. So he could still be alive and well, and maybe he found a way back to cybertron. There were also designs created for Dinobot to return in the Transtech series they were gonna create. Depthcharge was supposed to return as well. Transtech needs to be created still. Even now with the Transformers Revenge of The Fallen. Its said that Michael Bay and the design team used designs of Transtech as a building block for the character designs of the movie. So i think it would be interesting to see a Transformers show, like transtech, on TV, it would show a really interesting side to cybertron rather then the one on the big screen. And it would also have continuity with the BW and BM.

Movie Megatron:http://kungfurodeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/megatron_heads_2.jpg
Transtech Megatron:http://www.tfarchive.com/fandom/transtech/original/Megs01.jpg

Idk about you gyus but they look similar, not to mention Megatron would have looked incredible on the small screen.

Movie Optimus: http://kungfurodeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/optimus_2.jpg
Transtech Optimus:http://www.tfarchive.com/fandom/transtech/original/OP01.jpg

Optimus looks similar as well, the head and parts of the body. I really would love to see these designs on the small screen again, to continue the story of the BW's and BM's arch.

[Kal-El 8]

Optimus Primal's Cybertronian appearance .

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/Guyver_Ultima/Optimus%20Rodimus%20Prime/DawnOfFuturesPastOptimusPrimal.jpg

Beast Wars Cybertronian Megatron

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/Guyver_Ultima/Megatron%20Galvatron/DawnOfFuturesPastMegatron.jpg

[Kal-El 8]

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8092/0011159559435be1.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4830/379pxtimelines201gz8.jpg

[DCnightwing23]

Kal- El those pictures of Cybertronian transformers ^ those were from the comics correct?? I love those pictures, very interesting.

[Spidey-Bat]

On the previous page I posted the pics of the BotCon exclusive Cybertron-versions of the Beast Wars characters.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Just started watching the show last week. I love it so far.
I don't get the whole Prime decedent thing. How does a Transformer become a decedent.
And for anyone better better knowledge of Beast Wars, why did the fractions changed their names?

[M.O.Steel]

so it that the same megatron?

[Spidey-Bat]

Just started watching the show last week. I love it so far.
I don't get the whole Prime decedent thing. How does a Transformer become a decedent.
I don't think they use the term descendant to mean grandson or something like that.

And for anyone better better knowledge of Beast Wars, why did the fractions changed their names?
I don't recall it being explained. I think it was because their alternate forms were animals instead of vehicles.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I don't think they use the term descendant to mean grandson or something like that.


I don't recall it being explained. I think it was because their alternate forms were animals instead of vehicles.
I was thinking that, until I noticed they didn't have the beast modes on Cybertron.

[Spidey-Bat]

I was thinking that, until I noticed they didn't have the beast modes on Cybertron.

When their ships crashed, they had to scan near by lifeforms for modes to protect them from the raw Energon on the planet.

I think it had more to do outside the show. They didn't want fans to think these were the Autobots and Decepticons of the past.

[deathshead2]

I was thinking that, until I noticed they didn't have the beast modes on Cybertron.I think its because after the great war, both sides wanted to forget the war and just changed there names.

[-Arya-]

This is my favorite rendition of the transformers, and my favorite show as well.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Starting the second season soon. First season was great. Looking forward to going to Auto Assembly to pick of some Beast Wars figures. Can't wait to meet Ian Corlett.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I gave Beast Wars another shot. I love it so far. I like Cheetor and Rattrap. heh. I like the one part when Rat gets locked up in a cage and is brought to the Predicon base. As the oh I forgot the name of the red bird but anyway, as he introduces the maximal Rattrap waves at them. Then he starts making all kinds of hand gestures. Oh man. So funny. I like him. He's so comical.

I like Tiga-tron. He's cool.

[Lunar_Wolf]

What does everyone think of the Transmetal skins?

[DarknessOfDeath]

I like it... lol though I do miss the animal skins especially Rattrap's and his cute yet funny hand gestures.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I'm not a big fan of Primal's new transmetal body. I like Rattraps and Cheetor's, but still, I prefer the animal skins over all.

[DarknessOfDeath]

yeah I didn't care for Primal's...it was kinda fugly.

Um okay question... so whats with the Ark and Optimus Prime??

So the Maximals go through a time warp or something and somehow landed on pre-historic Earth? So if they went through time to the past... how did the Arc get there? Did it go through time too??

[Lunar_Wolf]

Have no idea, only on the first 4 eps of season 2.

[Spidey-Bat]

yeah I didn't care for Primal's...it was kinda fugly.

Um okay question... so whats with the Ark and Optimus Prime??

So the Maximals go through a time warp or something and somehow landed on pre-historic Earth? So if they went through time to the past... how did the Arc get there? Did it go through time too??

The Ark was already there. They went back in time to after it landed.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well Im on the episode "Changing of the Guard."

So... okay...so the Ark was already there....so um the maximals went through time to go after it? I'm sorry. I'm a little confused.

[Spidey-Bat]

I believe the Predacons were the ones trying to go back in time to alter history and the Maximals followed them.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I get that part but...

What I don't understand is how did the Arc crash land ...grrr. this is confusing.... Whats with the prehistoric Earth?

[Spidey-Bat]

I get that part but...

What I don't understand is how did the Arc crash land ...grrr. this is confusing.... Whats with the prehistoric Earth?

That's in the original Transformers cartoon.

From Wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_(Transformers)

The Ark left Cybertron when constant battles between the Autobots and Decepticons had left the planet in an energy crisis, with Optimus Prime and a contingent of Autobots 4 million years ago in search of the fuel Energon. Shortly after launch, it was attacked by the Decepticons on the Nemesis (another spaceship that was not named as such in the original series). The Nemesis attached itself to the Ark using tractor beams. The Decepticons, including their leader Megatron, boarded the Ark and attacked. During the battle, the Ark was damaged and crash landed on Earth, into the side of a volcano in what one day would be called Oregon (according to the Marvel comic book).

[DCnightwing23]

Beast Wars is amazing. The way in ties in some things from the Original Series. It was an amazing series. I just watched Endgame the other day, wow.

[epc11223]

Beast Wars is amazing. The way in ties in some things from the Original Series. It was an amazing series. I just watched Endgame the other day, wow.


while its not technically the same series, i think endgame is from beast machines. while i enjoyed both, i think i prefer beast wars over beast machines.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I just finished Beast Wars-Awesome, awesome show.
Start Beast Machines. First ep was pretty good.

[TheCorpulent1]

So I'm watching Beast Machines again, which I'm always ambivalent about. There are some really great bits and some really terrible bits and a whole lot of everything in-between. So I decided to sit down and make a list of pros and cons:

PROS
- Fantastic animation, even by today's standards

- Good music (although they constantly loop the "action theme" music for virtually everything, which gets annoying)

- Premise and first episode up until Optimus' 'transformation' are excellent and up the ante in the conflict between Megatron and the Maximals

- Interesting switch from two equal warring factions in BW to more of a Maximal guerilla resistance vs. a vastly more powerful Megatron in BM

- Several of the characters' beast modes and/or robot modes look great, especially Cheetor's robot mode

- Great character arc for Optimus Primal--between him and Megatron, we got interesting looks at fanaticism on both sides of one conflict, which broke down barriers between usually simple concepts of "good" and "evil" in the Transformers mythos

- Good character arc for Rattrap--the quintessential soldier being forced to adapt to a new body devoid of weaponry and finding some peace and relief from his cynicism via his romance with Botanica

- Botanica is cool

- Good character arc for Waspinator/Thrust--the guy who used to be a joke regains his identity but rejects it because, frankly, his old life sucked and his new one is pretty sweet by comparison

- Good struggle for Blackarachnia to reclaim her lost love; role-reversal of character arc from Beast Wars between her and Silverbolt

- Megatron's genuinely f***ing scary at a lot of points in the series

- Brings a (kind of) logical conclusion to the G1 era of Transformers

CONS
- Maximals morph rather than transform

- Once the Maximals learn to morph, we find that their robot modes have funky energy redirection or tasers or swords instead of any kind of traditional Transformer weaponry, which further distances the techno-organic characters from the Transformers legacy

- Transformation being equated to spirituality kind of sucked

- Terrible character arc for Rhinox--resurrected as an enemy, regains memories, STAYS an enemy for completely uncharacteristic reasons, and ultimately dies a psychotic moron (I still attribute it to his Vehicon shell program corrupting his mind, regardless of what Bob Skir or the other writers claim)

- Badly executed character arc for Cheetor--instead of showing him maturing and becoming a logically challenging voice to Optimus' leadership as intended, he's portrayed as whinier than ever

- Terrible, angsty character arc for the previously fun Silverbolt--his answer to enjoying being free of his code of honor as Jetstorm is to continue to ignore his code of honor once his mind is clear, drive Blackarachnia away, and occasionally endanger his supposed friends

- Rattrap has no legs and generally looks stupid in robot mode

- Nightscream... I'll just leave it at that

- Savage/Noble beast-to-beast transformation (and the character in general) was lame

- Megatron becomes a bit of a joke in the second season, jumping from body to body and generally being kind of useless

- Strika and Obsidian were boring non-characters with very little personality or charisma, unlike the unique, varied, and, most importantly, fun villains of Beast Wars like Inferno, Rampage, Quickstrike, et al.

- Automatically portraying techno-organic as better than purely cybernetic for no real reason was a bit stupid

[DCnightwing23]

Wow the only thing a disagree with you TC1 is the Rhinox arc. I felt it was had a really dark and powerful undertone to it. I mean in BW's he was pretty much a brother to Optimus and like a Uncle or Father figure to all the maximals. And what Megatron did what pretty dark. He turned Rhinox against them. And i thought the episodes with the Rhinox character reemerging were fantastic. It was really dark and sad. He became what he fought against for so many years. He was then corrupted and believed Megatron was right. Once he died, the Matrix forgave him. It was great episodes, so i have to strongly disagree with you

[TheCorpulent1]

The writing for the stories that make up the arc was good, and I can enjoy them if I consider Rhinox's core personality to be somehow corrupted by the Tankor shell program, but the writers insisted at the time that Rhinox was fully clear-headed and in control of his actions. That, to me, is total bulls***. There's nothing in Rhinox, based on what we see of him in Beast Wars, that would ever lead him to willingly do the things he does as Tankor in Beast Machines.

So, like I said, I don't care what the writers intended anymore; Tankor's personality somehow crept into Rhinox's core programming and corrupted his normal personality. The Matrix "forgiving" him was just Rhinox's spark being freed of the conflicting Tankor programming upon his death. Call it my personal canon, but that's the only way the Rhinox/Tankor arc works at all for me.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I set up a Beast Machines thread. I started watching it the other day.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm bored. Favorite characters, anyone? Mine were:

Maximals
Dinobot (Best character arc in the show.)
Rattrap (The Maximals would've seriously lost like 3 or 4 times without him, yet he's the butt of all their jokes. No respect. :o)
Rhinox (He didn't get developed much, but he's basically the Beast Wars' version of the X-Men's Beast, and I love that archetype of the pacifistic scientist who can still be a total badass when he's pushed.)

Predacons
Inferno (How can you not love him?)
Terrorsaur (Poor guy gets shortchanged a lot since he died so quickly, but he was basically the Beast Wars equivalent of Starscream, which was fun.)
Waspinator (Again, how can you not love him?)

[Lunar_Wolf]

Dinobot-Loved this guy. Didn't expect him to die so sudden.

Rattap-Loved his personality. Also he was only shot twice, making the Maximal with the least about of damage.

Scott McNeil did fantastic voice acting with these two.

Cheetor-Too bad he was only in his puberty mode for a few episodes.

Waspinator-Again, Scott McNeil brought this guy to life with the voice acting.

Megatron-Yeeeeeeeees!

[Spidey-Bat]

I agree with your pics Corpy. Especially Inferno. How can you not love a guy who got away with calling Megatron a queen? I liked how they made the Predacons entertaining but not complete buffoons.

[CELTICPRED]

Depth Charge

Rampage - Sheer badass
Inferno and Waspinator for pretty much the same reasons as stated above.
And Tarantulus. His voice actor was fantastic. DIEEEEEEEE MAXIMALS!!! OH NO!!!!

[DCnightwing23]

Tigatron- a genius, really showed a completely different side to a transformer, i loved the fact that he loved the wild and wanted to protect his "brothers and sisters" in the wild. And that he was in the wild most of the time
Dinobot- He was just a badass warrior
Rhinox- Like a uncle and fatherly figure to the maximals

[Lunar_Wolf]

I really started to like Depth Charge near the end, too bad he when BOOOOOOOM!

[Lunar_Wolf]

For anyone that has not seen this.
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[TheCorpulent1]

I agree with your pics Corpy. Especially Inferno. How can you not love a guy who got away with calling Megatron a queen? I liked how they made the Predacons entertaining but not complete buffoons.
Yeah, I'm watching the G1 cartoons now and it's made me realize that the Predacons were really far superior to the Decepticons in terms of not being idiots. I mean, the Preds screw up a lot, but Megatron could've probably taken down most of the Maximals by himself and Inferno was a stone-cold badass until the transmetals came along.

Somewhat along that same line, I liked that Primal's Maximals were totally the wrong people for the job they wound up with. Unlike Optimus Prime and his honed, hardened military forces, they were completely out of their depth. I look at Primal's crew like the Army Core of Engineers to Prime's Marines--they've been to boot camp and they've had some training, but they're really not the guys you want on the front lines. Primal himself was a fairly smart commander, but he was absolute s*** in a fight. If not for Dinobot defecting and the Axalon lucking out by getting a tough but seemingly retired demolitions and infiltration expert on its crew, they would've gotten spanked in no time.

[DCnightwing23]

Yeah i liked the fact that the BW megatron was so cunning and always a strategist and always ahead of everyone. They werent stupid which i loved

[Lunar_Wolf]

I loved when Ravage came back. Man, he was one of my favs from Beast Wars.
When he transformed, he had the classic sound-Music to my ears.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, yeah, that was awesome. Too bad he got owned by Rattrap. ;)

[Spidey-Bat]

I wish they released a fig of him to stores. I know he had a convention exclusive a few years ago.

[deathshead2]

Most likely people ignored it when it came out, but years ago there were some Transformers books written by Simon Furman. One was a trilogy, and the other was a book of short storys which is the one I'm going to talk about.

In the short storys it contained two shorts that involved OP and Megatron from Beast Wars. One was about OP and Megatron meeting G1 prime and G1 Megatron, and the other story explained why Megatron speaks in the third person as G1 Megatron is in his head giving suggestions to his plans.

Anyone remember those books?

[TheCorpulent1]

Never heard of them. I've been a little underwhelmed with Furman's Beast Wars stuff, though. The Gathering and The Ascension were both kind of meh-tastic. It didn't help that he chose to focus on all the random other characters who were left out of the show, either.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Look who I met..CHEETOR!!!
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff104/robertwolf/IMG_0237.jpg

[Lunar_Wolf]

Look who I met..CHEETOR!!!
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff104/robertwolf/IMG_0237.jpg

[CELTICPRED]

He's a tad older than I imagined.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Beast Wars itself is over 10 years old now. But yeah, voice actors rarely look like I imagine them based on the characters they voiced. Still, pretty awesome to meet him. :up:

[Lunar_Wolf]

When he was doing the live scripted reading, he still pulled off Cheetor's voice, which is strange to me because Cheetor sounds so young.

He told us that he was handed the script for Futurerama when the voice actors were going to be replaced. He said he would of refused any parts tho.

[TheCorpulent1]

Classy. :up:

[Syn (Mercenary)]

Yeah, I'm watching the G1 cartoons now and it's made me realize that the Predacons were really far superior to the Decepticons in terms of not being idiots. I mean, the Preds screw up a lot, but Megatron could've probably taken down most of the Maximals by himself and Inferno was a stone-cold badass until the transmetals came along.

Somewhat along that same line, I liked that Primal's Maximals were totally the wrong people for the job they wound up with. Unlike Optimus Prime and his honed, hardened military forces, they were completely out of their depth. I look at Primal's crew like the Army Core of Engineers to Prime's Marines--they've been to boot camp and they've had some training, but they're really not the guys you want on the front lines. Primal himself was a fairly smart commander, but he was absolute s*** in a fight. If not for Dinobot defecting and the Axalon lucking out by getting a tough but seemingly retired demolitions and infiltration expert on its crew, they would've gotten spanked in no time.
The one thing that bothered me about the show was that whenever a new character is introduced, they do the same thing like with X-Men or even Dragon Ball Z and make them nearly unstoppable. Then, like, the next episode, they're just as easy to fight as the next guy (to an extent). I mean, I'm sure every show does that, but it does get irksome.

Still, loved the show and to this day it remains one of my absolute favorites.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, we definitely saw that with Inferno and Rampage. Inferno was super-powerful, then the Transmetals came along and he became basically a comedic character. Rampage sort of went back and forth, although he wasn't anywhere near as fearsome as his origin would seem to indicate after his first episode.

[Lunar_Wolf]

How did Rampage die again? Didn't have something to do with sharing his Spark with Dinobot II?

[TheCorpulent1]

Possibly. Depth Charge stabs him right in the spark with a piece of raw energon, causing a huge explosion that kills both Rampage and Depth Charge. It may have been because his spark was weakened after a part of it was used to create Dinobot, but that's speculation.

[Spidey-Bat]

I think it's pretty much unanimously agreed that the death of Rampage let Dinobot's original personality return to Dinobot 2.

I need to re-watch the show. That finale with Depth Charge killing Rampage and then Dinobot returning is just awesome.

[TheCorpulent1]

That doesn't make any sense to me, given that Dinobot 2 was a totally different being with a different spark. That brings back the idea of interchangeable souls for Transformers, which I don't like.

[Spidey-Bat]

Would "Primus did it" be a better reasoning?

[TheCorpulent1]

No. There was supposedly a deleted scene in an earlier episode where Dinobot 2 was supposed to download some of Dinobot's core programming, which we know influences personality but is different from the spark thanks to Beast Machines. That would make sense to me. Dinobot 2, free of Rampage's evil influence on their shared spark, recalls that bit of Dinobot's code and realizes that his predecessor had the right idea. That works for me because it's a whole new character deciding to work against Megatron for sensible reasons rather than some quasi-mystical return of Dinobot through his clone.

[Spidey-Bat]

I like that better, too. They should have left that in.