The official G1 purist thread.

[blind_fury]

This thread is to celebrate G1 without being harrassed. Post all the things you love about G1 here.

This is not a debate thread. If you're not a G1 purist stay clear. :trans:

[AyeCapn]

REPORTED for discrimination against movie lovers! :mad:



:D

[AyeCapn]

I loved that a cartoon aimed at 6 year old kids actually had some continuity between episodes and a storyline that caused you to think. It gave the audience some credit for being intelligent.

[OptimusPrimeRib]

I'm not as hardcore as some of you guys, but I still love G1. It's hard to say what I liked best about it, but it's still to this day one of my favorite TV shows animated or otherwise period. I just bought the complete boxed set on Ebay from a seller in China, and the hopefully it will arrive soon. I can't wait I haven't seen many of the episodes since I was in grade school.

[Spark]

I once killed a man for even referencing Armada. :cmad:

[Nathan]

I once killed a man for even referencing Armada. :cmad:

:csad:

[Avangarde]

I once killed a man for even referencing Armada. :cmad:

I would expect no less dammit :cmad:

[zer00]

This should be renamed

"people who like all things transformers"

since it's not just GI purists

or purists in general who think this film is ****:o

Michael Bay doesn't care about Constructicons

[Wolvenom2099]

Does everyone here consider Masterforce and Victory part of Generation 1?

[shigsy2003]

I love G1, I have never been able to get into any of the other series'.

I love the dynamic between certain characters: Megatron and Starscream for example.

Optimus Prime is THE greatest machine ever.

While I am willing to go and see the movie, I am disappointed that the robots lack so much personality and charm :(

Also with actors like: Cullen, Welker, Latta, Sue Blu (who later worked on Visionaries) etc the show was amazing.

[lars573]

I loved that a cartoon aimed at 6 year old kids actually had some continuity between episodes and a storyline that caused you to think. It gave the audience some credit for being intelligent.
So what alternate universe did you transit in from. Cause the G1 show in this universe had no more "continuity" between episodes than any other 30 toy commercial on the air before or since.

[MeenieWK]

not sure if anyone can help

But i saw some links to original toon episodes on the web not so long ago!

It was definalty in this forum but i cant find them again!

and i only managed to watch the first episode!

If anyone has any links..... that would be greatly appreciated!

[lars573]

Youtube. Find out the episode names and then search for them. I've found "More than meets the eye" parts 1-3, "Dinobot island" parts 1 and 2, "SOS Dinobots", "Only human", "5 faces of darkness", "Trans-europe express", and a few others.

[Anti-Moderator]

My two favorite TF comics of all time.......




http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/9077/891sblvl0.jpg

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/3484/661sblza5.jpg

[Dugath]

^^^ have those. I actually totally forgot I have Transformer comics in my collection stored away. I am going to have to go look at them now :)

[Lazlo Panaflex]

The G1 Transformers are the real ones to me, none of that Energon, Armada, Cybertron, RID, Beast Wars crap.

[lars573]

Your loss.

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Your loss.
Even a non-TF knows the original G1 series, they don't care or know after Beast Wars.

[lars573]

Again your loss.

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Que?

[lars573]

G1 is no the best Tf series. Not the worst either, but not the best. It's just the original. And like all first borns it has all the problems. Like continuity, transparently a toy commerical, bad secondary gimmicks.

Beast Wars is the best TF series. And it's sequel Beast Machines is great too.

[Avangarde]

Is this in reference to the animated series only? Because if it includes the comics then G1 is by far the greatest incarnation, nuf said.

[lars573]

The G1 comic sucked. I tend to dislike Tf comics in general. I expect some variation between page and screen. But no the "we kept the names and desgins only" BS.

[ShadowBoxing]

The G1 comic sucked. I tend to dislike Tf comics in general. I expect some variation between page and screen. But no the "we kept the names and desgins only" BS.
No, the comic kicked ass. It's essentially what the show should of been and what Beast Wars was. They actually made it edgey, it had gray characters (like Grimlock for instance, who wasn't a dolt), Optimus wasn't completely perfect, Prowl actually had a character, and they did things that were a lot more interesting when encoporating toys, plus it lacked muddled continuity issues. You do realize, oh BW fan, that most of BW was built off of the G1 comic. BW, while it seems to take from the cartoon in continuity actually used Simon Furman's and Bob Budinsky's mythic take on the franchise.

[Duo Prime]

Does everyone here consider Masterforce and Victory part of Generation 1?

I do. Masterforce was a continuation, due to the fact Chromedome made an apperance, so he was in the same universe. Victory just continued Masterforce, and finally Zone was the final episode of G1. Wish they would have made more episodes of Zone, That show ROCKED!!!!

[lars573]

No, the comic kicked ass. It's essentially what the show should of been and what Beast Wars was. They actually made it edgey, it had gray characters (like Grimlock for instance, who wasn't a dolt), Optimus wasn't completely perfect, Prowl actually had a character, and they did things that were a lot more interesting when encoporating toys, plus it lacked muddled continuity issues. You do realize, oh BW fan, that most of BW was built off of the G1 comic. BW, while it seems to take from the cartoon in continuity actually used Simon Furman's and Bob Budinsky's mythic take on the franchise.
Beast Wars cherry picked from both show and comic. I don't think it was equally though.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

I loved G1 as a child, and still do. The storyline was well-crafted and a lot more than the "kiddy show made for selling toys" that some clods have come to call it. The second wave never really hit it off for me, and I resented how they resorted to using Prime again after his great death in the film just to avoid putting effort into Rodimus. Overall, my fondest memories are in the series' first half. The Cybertronians seemed more like futuristic colonists rather than random tin thrown together spouting the usual emotionless robotic gibberish in the sci-fi realm, and the Autobot/ Decepticon factions worked well in showing the universal natures of human concepts like "good" and "evil". For me, the film was the swansong. I'm also a huge fan of Beast Wars- just thought I'd mention that, considering the current spat over it. I liked how it respected the concepts of humanity and escapism that G1 offered. The last season was weak, but at one point in my fandom I did indeed feel that G1 and Beast Wars were equal in quality. 'Transmutate' sealed the deal for me.

And that's me. I guess I'm what you call a 'purist' in that I enjoyed the G1 line a lot more than the continuations and, dare I say, bastardizations (Beast Machines, Armada and that film they're calling Transformers). But I've waited before and can wait again for a rebirth...'til all are one, I suppose.

[ShadowBoxing]

Beast Wars cherry picked from both show and comic. I don't think it was equally though.
Beast Wars pretty much disregarded the whole "Call of the Primatives" episode and some of Five Faces of Darkness in lue of Simon Furman's origin (it seems, although they never outrightly said the origin).

[ShadowBoxing]

I gotta disagree with Chibi, while I love G1 cartoon, and admit it had many good episodes. It was, in effect, a massive toy commercial.

The cartoon is memorable because it had great characters and a derivative premise (written for the comics). But it often had little plot development, no rhyme or reason for characters coming and going, poor dialogue and animation and sometimes became very very redundant.

The comic tended to use characters and let them be characters, not characters selling toys. Certain popular items, like Metroplex, never played much of a role. And often the storyline would write out certain characters and play up often obscure ones in there absence.

[Iron_Mang]

I think alot of you have good points. Yes the show was produced to sell toys , but , it was so well conceived it became something 'more' to many of us, and still is I'd say. Like Star Trek it was a huge sci fi hit that has stood the test of time because it had great characters in stories that were exciting and new while teaching a moral, good stuff. But being honest , like Star Trek , not every episode was a winner, some were pretty weak. BUT the characters were well thought out and likeable, especially the villains. Like comics they got it right by creating the coolest array of villains ever. Megatron, Shockwave, Starscream,Soundwave, even the cassettes were fun to watch and listen too. And personally while I think BW was a good pretender of the original, everything after was predictable and watered down, lacking all the good qualities that made the original great. Reusing or rehashing established storylines and character names is a sloppy, lazy and pathetic way to make a new tv show, comic, or movie, all the same reasons I hate Ultimate Marvel continuity. An insult to the audience . You'd think they'd try harder to woo the hand that feeds them.

[3dman27]

i have no proble with beast wars but to me like many others in this thread g1 is the REALtransformers
autobots TRANSFORM AND ROLL OUT:trans:

[ShadowBoxing]

I think alot of you have good points. Yes the show was produced to sell toys , but , it was so well conceived it became something 'more' to many of us
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say Well-conceived, because frankly it wasn't. It was very inconsistent, but oddly enough this turned out to be an asset as the shows abundance of inconsistencies led to the writers of Beast Wars/Beast Machines stringing them together into something meaningful. I mean Vector Sigma, the Ark (oddly enough the "Ark" was the term used in the comic, not the show), Cybertron, Alpha Trion, the Plasma Energy chamber, the Matrix, etc. All of these things often stepped on each other's toes in the show, creating a mish-mash of largely unrelated plot elements. So the show was poorly handled, but in the imagination of children it did spark some sort of creative energy. I mean none of us really know how a race like the Transformers could have come to be, but these little plot devices that were used in the episodes, retooled, actually could and did become fodder for Sci-Fi/Fantasy that was much more grounded and well told.

So really, I think what the show did was give a veritable buffet for future writers to pull from. Not everything made sense initially, but when certainly elements were reused and plotted out a little better you could get something that was more than just a toy commercial. It's a pity the original show itself struggled and really never succeeded in capitalizing on this in ways others shows had.

[chiefchirpa]

Ok, here they are:

BW animated shows > Original G1 animated shows
# of G1 derivative shows > # of BW derivative shows
G1 comics > BW comics
G1 toys sold > BW toys sold
G1 movie ? ......
G1 legs > BW legs

What G1 doesn't have is an initial good show, everything else it has BW beaten. Better name for characters (Starscream > Waspinator all the time), characters that are expandable to comics, more cult-like characters (Soundwave, Grimlock and Sideswipe, to name a few), and non fans people would get excited more on robots transforming to vehicles. That's why no sane people would pick BW as a material for live action movie.

Again no diss on the Beast Wars show. It was wonderful for its time. G1 shows were actually poor compared to BW. But if there's a new animated show choosing whether its based on largely Vehicular character and beasts, most producers will choose the first option. G1 has BW beaten by a sackful of reasons other than the quality of the original shows.

[ShadowBoxing]

Ok, here they are:

BW animated shows > Original G1 animated shows
# of G1 derivative shows > # of BW derivative shows
G1 comics > BW comics
G1 toys sold > BW toys sold
G1 movie ? ......
G1 legs > BW legs

Don't know what you're doing your basis of comparison on, but factually all those are wrong. Beast Wars outsold Transformers. Also in terms of "derivative" episodes, I mean that's pretty much every episode of Beast Wars, whereas it's about half of season 3 in G1. And as for Beast Wars animated shows, there were four (Beast Wars, Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, and Beast Machines), G1 had 5 (Generation 1 original, Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory and Zone, plus the spinoff movie Scramble City, TFTM (86), and (unproduced) Return of Convoy).

[ShadowBoxing]

Again no diss on the Beast Wars show. It was wonderful for its time. G1 shows were actually poor compared to BW. But if there's a new animated show choosing whether its based on largely Vehicular character and beasts, most producers will choose the first option. G1 has BW beaten by a sackful of reasons other than the quality of the original shows.Ummmm, actually every show since Beast Wars has used a combination of Beasts and Vehicles (except Armada) and furthermore Beast Wars voice actors thus far have been recast in every show to reprise similar roles (whereas G1, not so much). Current character incarnations have all been based on the Beast Wars formula (5 or 6 good robots, versus 5 or 6 bad robots). The only thing from G1 that currently has been popping up in current continuities is the reuse of Starscream as Megatron's second in command. Other than that (and a few cameos here and there), we don't get a whole lot of G1 influence these days in shows.

[Grievous]

I'm a all kind of Transformers fan, not just G1

[blind_fury]

You guys are free to make Beast War purist thread.

There you can talk how much better talking rats and cheetahs are than Starscream and Optimus Prime.

But this thread is to celebrate all things G1, not for attacking G1 fans/comics/cartoons.

[chiefchirpa]

Don't know what you're doing your basis of comparison on, but factually all those are wrong. Beast Wars outsold Transformers.


Define "Sold".

I'm pretty exact to say that the toys sold by G1 (from 1984-2007) is more than toys sold by BW. Try to dispute this, and then you can say factually they're wrong.


And as for Beast Wars animated shows, there were four (Beast Wars, Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, and Beast Machines), G1 had 5 (Generation 1 original, Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory and Zone, plus the spinoff movie Scramble City, TFTM (86), and (unproduced) Return of Convoy).

Beast Wars I is the same as Beast Wars II. Heck, you don't dispute my points anyway.

[chiefchirpa]

Ummmm, actually every show since Beast Wars has used a combination of Beasts and Vehicles (except Armada)


You mean since BM? I don't recall any BW Transformers except for "guest character" that have vehicle mode.

G1 actually uses a combination of beasts and vehicles. It predates BM.


and furthermore Beast Wars voice actors thus far have been recast in every show to reprise similar roles (whereas G1, not so much).


Don't care. Non sequitur. Whatever. Adds nothing to the discussion.

-It's TF lore, not TF voice actors life-

Point exists that Peter Cullen or Frank Welker is more of a legend to TF fans than Scott McNeill.


Current character incarnations have all been based on the Beast Wars formula (5 or 6 good robots, versus 5 or 6 bad robots).


It's budgetary restrictions. It maybe the best to convey a more simplistic but focused storytelling.

But tell me, is it a monopoly of BW to have a smaller cast, and G1 must always have a large cast of robots?

Please don't kid yourself.


The only thing from G1 that currently has been popping up in current continuities is the reuse of Starscream as Megatron's second in command. Other than that (and a few cameos here and there), we don't get a whole lot of G1 influence these days in shows.

Transformers Armada/Cybertron/Energon is based loosely on G1.

TF movie is based on G1. Is that not big enough for you?

BTW, I don't believe/post myself as a G1 purist. G1 maybe the best to convey the world of TF to the mainstream than BW, who stuck their robots only in beast forms. BM, on the other hand, is an abomination. Rat in a wheel?

[SurfDUI]

i have no proble with beast wars but to me like many others in this thread g1 is the REALtransformers
autobots TRANSFORM AND ROLL OUT:trans:


I am so G1- I'm almost of the mind NOT to Include R.C., Springer and Kup in G1...:oldrazz:
But they held down Autobot city w/ Devistator outside, so there's there lifetime exemption.

Mannn 1985 baby!!

Matter of fact I'm going to see the new movie w/ the same crew I saw the first Transformers movie w/. (I'm trying to get them to leave the wifes at home:csad: )

[blind_fury]

I am so G1- I'm almost of the mind NOT to Include R.C., Springer and Kup in G1...:oldrazz:

But they held down Autobot city w/ Devistator outside, so there's there lifetime exemption.

haha! Good point. :trans:

[SurfDUI]

My two favorite TF comics of all time.......




http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/9077/891sblvl0.jpg



This cover is in my TOP 15 ALL TIME Favorite comic Covers- When I was like 8 it was sooo out there to see this language relating to the toy series right during the middle of the first run. I remember thinkin, Shockwave has this kind of disdain for the Autobots he reverts to Graf...AWESOME!!!

One of my first comics ever too:woot: :woot: :up: :o

[3dman27]

You guys are free to make Beast War purist thread.

There you can talk how much better talking rats and cheetahs are than Starscream and Optimus Prime.

But this thread is to celebrate all things G1, not for attacking G1 fans/comics/cartoons.at the risk of sounding like DYNOMUTT DOG WONDER maybe you got something there b.f.a beast wars purist thread would be perfect:ninja:

[chiefchirpa]

at the risk of sounding like DYNOMUTT DOG WONDER maybe you got something there b.f.a beast wars purist thread would be perfect:ninja:

There's one already called "The official BW thread". It's just the title is not as fanboy inducing as "G1 purist" :D

[lars573]

You guys are free to make Beast War purist thread.

There you can talk how much better talking rats and cheetahs are than Starscream and Optimus Prime.

But this thread is to celebrate all things G1, not for attacking G1 fans/comics/cartoons.
Beast Wars is part of G1. The best part.

[chiefchirpa]

Beast Wars is part of G1. The best part.

If it's the best part, then the movie should be based on it. Guess what sunshine, there are no Maximals or Predacons in the movie. Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg like Bumblebee more than Rattrap.

[lars573]

The movie isn't based on G1. It's a synthesis of the whole of TF's. After all movie Scorponok is in now way based on G1 Scorponok (that honour falls to the Energon version). He's based on Beast Wars Scorponok.

[chiefchirpa]

The movie isn't based on G1. It's a synthesis of the whole of TF's. After all movie Scorponok is in now way based on G1 Scorponok (that honour falls to the Energon version). He's based on Beast Wars Scorponok.

It's based on G1. Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Mission City, Sam Witwicky, Bumblebee, Frenzy - heck all the chars except for Scorponok (which we don't see its robot form).

When you have 85-90% of the stuff based on G1, it's based on G1.

[SurfDUI]

When you have 85-90% of the stuff based on G1, it's based on G1.

No Ironhide though:csad: :csad: damn 10%!

[ShadowBoxing]

Beast Wars is part of G1. The best part.
Lol, yeah it is.

[blind_fury]

Why do you guys keep coming to this thread attacking G1?

You have a Beast Wars thread. Go rave about your talking rats and cheetahs over there.

[ShadowBoxing]

It's based on G1. Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Mission City, Sam Witwicky, Bumblebee, Frenzy - heck all the chars except for Scorponok (which we don't see its robot form).

When you have 85-90% of the stuff based on G1, it's based on G1.
Sam wasn't part of G1. The name was Spike. And Blackout and Barricade weren't G1 either. Ironhide was obviously based largely on Rhinox in robot mode. Optimus did gorrilla type acrobatics. The story and pod landing borrowed from Armada.

[blind_fury]

The last name Witwicky is G1 obviously. Unless you think this last name was a coincidence. :dry:

and they should put "Optimus does gorilla type acrobatics" on the dvd cover. That's some funny s--t!!!! :woot:

As long as you continue to entertain us with your absurdities, you can stay in the G1 purist thread. :up:

[ShadowBoxing]

The last name Witwicky is G1 obviously. Unless you think this last name was a coincidence. :dry:
Transformers tends to recycle names. However Ron (Sparkplug's other name was William), Sam and her mother are entirely new, unless you missed something.
and they should put "Optimus does gorilla type acrobatics" on the dvd cover. That's some funny s--t!!!! :woot:
Did you see the movie yet. Because he does. He hangs off building by one arm, freqently is seen swinging down from high places. There was definitely some BW referencing.
As long as you continue to entertain us with your absurdities, you can stay in the G1 purist thread. :up:
Kay:dry:

[chiefchirpa]

Sam wasn't part of G1. The name was Spike.


You want to dabble on little things. Very well.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/quotes

It says Sam "Spike" Witwicky. "Spike" is his callname. It doesn't get called in the movie, because:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_Witwicky#Spike


And Blackout and Barricade weren't G1 either.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_%28Transformers%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brawl_%28Transformers%29


Blackout was initially intended to be Vortex, and Devastator was initially be named (and still within Toys) to be Brawl. Barricade wasn't in G1 shows (but in G1 toys), well if there's a TV shows about Barricade is not gonna be in Beast Wars but in G1-expansion.


Ironhide was obviously based largely on Rhinox in robot mode.


I don't see the similarity. You're just pushing something that's not exact fact.


Optimus did gorrilla type acrobatics.


Hmm, I didn't remember it. Well, if someone or something did a gait moving from one building to another, is it supposed to be copying from Beast Wars cartoon? Being Michael Bay, I think he would rather copy it from King Kong or simply made it so because that's the simplest way of doing a CGI object movement.

Pushing on an issue that's not quite fact++


The story and pod landing borrowed from Armada.

Man, if an originally non-TF fan like Michael Bay wants to make a movie, he will create his own initial stories and don't have to copy anything from any TF shows. If there are origins stories that suit him, he will take it as long as it depicts largely G1-based characters and mythos.

Again your pushing something that's not quite fact.

[chiefchirpa]

Transformers tends to recycle names. However Ron (Sparkplug's other name was William), Sam and her mother are entirely new, unless you missed something.


Transformers tend to recycle names because it's sometimes difficult to get copyright for certain names. But not Witwicky. Witwicky is a throwback to G1 whether you like or not.

[ShadowBoxing]

Transformers tend to recycle names because it's sometimes difficult to get copyright for certain names. But not Witwicky. Witwicky is a throwback to G1 whether you like or not.
It might be a throwback, but it's been used 3 or 4 times at this point, in distinct continuities.

[ShadowBoxing]

You want to dabble on little things. Very well.

It says Sam "Spike" Witwicky. "Spike" is his callname. It doesn't get called in the movie, because
Hasbro stated very firmly from the beginning they didn't want a G1 movie

Blackout was initially intended to be Vortex, and Devastator was initially be named (and still within Toys) to be Brawl. Barricade wasn't in G1 shows (but in G1 toys), well if there's a TV shows about Barricade is not gonna be in Beast Wars but in G1-expansion.
Sadly, you're wrong. Because Blackout is not a combaticon named Vortex and Barricade is not a G1 micromaster for the Decepticon race team. Blackout was, however, a character in Armada...to which he is unrelated as well.
I don't see the similarity. You're just pushing something that's not exact fact.
Well considering Rhinox had a similar voice, duel gattling guns ....I'd have to say the parrallels are apparent. Ironhide was chief of security.
Hmm, I didn't remember it. Well, if someone or something did a gait moving from one building to another, is it supposed to be copying from Beast Wars cartoon? Being Michael Bay, I think he would rather copy it from King Kong or simply made it so because that's the simplest way of doing a CGI object movement.
Transformers movie, not a king kong tribute. If they took it they took it from Beast Wars much like the Prime-Lips
Man, if an originally non-TF fan like Michael Bay wants to make a movie, he will create his own initial stories and don't have to copy anything from any TF shows. If there are origins stories that suit him, he will take it as long as it depicts largely G1-based characters and mythos.

Well the writers wrote the story, not Bay and they were given the recent Transformers cartoons and comics as reference. Not surprising that Armada and Infiltation would seem to be the plots used.

[lars573]

Sam wasn't part of G1. The name was Spike. And Blackout and Barricade weren't G1 either. Ironhide was obviously based largely on Rhinox in robot mode. Optimus did gorrilla type acrobatics. The story and pod landing borrowed from Armada.
Hmm in Armada the mini-cons come in a starship that half crashes on earth. But the Bots and Cons arrive via transgalactic teleporter. Where are these pods of which you speak? :huh:

Sadly, you're wrong. Because Blackout is not a combaticon named Vortex and Barricade is not a G1 micromaster for the Decepticon race team. Blackout was, however, a character in Armada...to which he is unrelated as well.
Blackout was a G1 micromaster as well. Although Blackout and Barricade draw more from Energon than G1.

Well considering Rhinox had a similar voice, duel gattling guns ....I'd have to say the parrallels are apparent. Ironhide was chief of security.
I always felt that Rhinox was based on G1 Ironhide. Or rather Rhinox was what Ironhide could have been with better writing.

[chiefchirpa]

It might be a throwback, but it's been used 3 or 4 times at this point, in distinct continuities.

So what?

Repeat after me: The "Witwicky" family is first mentioned in G1. True, yes? Whether the movies or distinct TF series want to mention the family, it's to respect G1. Not BW.

End of debate. Shush.

[chiefchirpa]

Hasbro stated very firmly from the beginning they didn't want a G1 movie


First, show me the evidences/quotes.

Second, of course they don't want an exact G1 movie (see the Wiki link very down below). They're making a movie largely based on G1, because that's what most people remember of TF and I don't have to explain this again and again. It's Captain Obvious.



Sadly, you're wrong. Because Blackout is not a combaticon named Vortex and Barricade is not a G1 micromaster for the Decepticon race team. Blackout was, however, a character in Armada...to which he is unrelated as well.


Piss Off.

Read the Wikipedia articles I show you. Vortex is the name of Blackout in the original script but it's later dropped because of copyright issue. Unlike you, I gave evidences to support my cases.


Well considering Rhinox had a similar voice, duel gattling guns ....I'd have to say the parrallels are apparent.

Unless you're watched the movie half-sleeping, I don't see either of those guns are gatlings. And your don't need to watch the movie to know what guns that Ironhide carries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironhide

"His weapons include an energy cannon mounted on his left forearm and a missile launcher on his right forearmis weapons include an energy cannon mounted on his left forearm and a missile launcher on his right forearm"

You're a making a fantasy world, where you had this image of movie Ironhide having a twin gatling gun and stick by that image. Face it you, you're wrong.


Transformers movie, not a king kong tribute.


Who said it's a King Kong tribute? I said it may be easier to walk those CGI creations on screen like King Kong.


If they took it they took it from Beast Wars much like the Prime-Lips


You're just imagining that they take the lips from Beast Wars.

Okay to make you happy, look at like this:

Movie Optimus Prime takes the lips from Beast Wars, but on the other hand it takes voicework, name, personality, transformation mode, quotes, rifle from G1.

Lips... against the whole shbang. How's that?


Well the writers wrote the story, not Bay and they were given the recent Transformers cartoons and comics as reference. Not surprising that Armada and Infiltation would seem to be the plots used.

The writers wrote the story, but Bay as Director could interject the story anytime he feels to. Again you're escaping the fact that the TF movie is made out of respect of the 80's shows and toys. Heck the whole series can't be made without derivating from G1. G1 maybe has a poor original show, but it has a set of mythos inherited to the predecesors and this is the series which most people identify TF with.

Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_%28film%29 thoroughly. You will again babble like an ignorant before reading it.

[chiefchirpa]

and Barricade is not a G1 micromaster for the Decepticon race team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barricade_%28Transformers%29

The guy is Onslaught to form Bruticus Maximus in Energon. Not convinced?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combaticons (check Transformers: Energon section).

[lars573]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barricade_%28Transformers%29

The guy is Onslaught to form Bruticus Maximus in Energon. Not convinced?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combaticons (check Transformers: Energon section).
Nope. Thats Onslaught who froms part of Bruticus in Superlink. It's Barricade who forms part of Bruticus Maxmius in Energon. Takara TF's!=Hasbro TF's.

[chiefchirpa]

Nope. Thats Onslaught who froms part of Bruticus in Superlink. It's Barricade who forms part of Bruticus Maxmius in Energon. Takara TF's!=Hasbro TF's.

In a way, yes they're not exact match.

"In the parallel universe of 2004's Transformers: Energon a combining team of five robots similar to the Combaticons exists, who form the giant robot known as Bruticus Maximus (simply Bruticus in Japan).
The team consists of Barricade (Onslaught in Japan), the leader of the team who forms the central body of Bruticus Maximus, and the four limbs, Blight (Brawl) and Kickback (Swindle), who become tanks, and Blackout (Vortex) and Stormcloud (Blast Off), who transform into helicopters. Each one can form either an arm or a leg for Bruticus Maximus"

Ergo, Barricade is an analog to Onslaught, as do Bruticus Maximus is the analog of Bruticus. So Barricade is actually "Onslaught" to form Bruticus Maximus (I'm missing the quotes).

[ShadowBoxing]

So what?

Repeat after me: The "Witwicky" family is first mentioned in G1. True, yes? Whether the movies or distinct TF series want to mention the family, it's to respect G1. Not BW.

End of debate. Shush.
Dumb point. Optimus was first introduced in G1, but he isn't the same Optimus as appeared in future incarnations of the show. It might be a throwback to G1 to mention Witwicky, but then so is everytime they re-use a name. Has nothing to do with making it a G1 film. This movie isn't Beast Wars, but it sure as f*** isn't G1 either. It's an entirely different continuity much like RiD or UT.

[ShadowBoxing]

First, show me the evidences/quotes.

Second, of course they don't want an exact G1 movie (see the Wiki link very down below). They're making a movie largely based on G1, because that's what most people remember of TF and I don't have to explain this again and again. It's Captain Obvious.
That's the most ridiculous crap I ever heard. The only reason G1 gets re-referenced is copyright issues. That's why Optimus, Megatron and Starscream show up in future incarnations because they don't want to lose those characters. And yes they are highly marketable, but keep in mind Optimus, Megatron and some form of Starscream and Bumblebee have all been part of the Transformers-verse. G1 died 20 years ago, they make future incarnations to sell a new product, not an old one.

Hasbro in fact is the one who adviced them to drastically change all the designs.
Piss Off.

Read the Wikipedia articles I show you. Vortex is the name of Blackout in the original script but it's later dropped because of copyright issue. Unlike you, I gave evidences to support my cases.
They were originally going to call them Soundwave, but dropped that as well. It's immaterial, they called him Blackout.
Unless you're watched the movie half-sleeping, I don't see either of those guns are gatlings. And your don't need to watch the movie to know what guns that Ironhide carries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironhide

"His weapons include an energy cannon mounted on his left forearm and a missile launcher on his right forearmis weapons include an energy cannon mounted on his left forearm and a missile launcher on his right forearm"

You're a making a fantasy world, where you had this image of movie Ironhide having a twin gatling gun and stick by that image. Face it you, you're wrong.
The guy who did the voice of Rhinox does Ironhide's voice in the game dumbass.
Who said it's a King Kong tribute? I said it may be easier to walk those CGI creations on screen like King Kong.
And Optimus Prime was a monkey for quiet some time. As me and Lars have tried to tell you, this is not a G1 movie. It's a combination of ALL the franchises being celebrated in one movie.
You're just imagining that they take the lips from Beast Wars.

Okay to make you happy, look at like this:

Movie Optimus Prime takes the lips from Beast Wars, but on the other hand it takes voicework, name, personality, transformation mode, quotes, rifle from G1.

Lips... against the whole shbang. How's that?
So what, me and Lars point still stands it's not a G1 movie, it's a 20 years of Transformers movie. And furthermore the Alt.mode is the same as his G2 form bud.
The writers wrote the story, but Bay as Director could interject the story anytime he feels to. Again you're escaping the fact that the TF movie is made out of respect of the 80's shows and toys.
The designs, the story, the Allspark and most of the alt.modes have little or nothing to do with the G1 show.
Heck the whole series can't be made without derivating from G1. G1 maybe has a poor original show, but it has a set of mythos inherited to the predecesors and this is the series which most people identify TF with.
G1 was a comic before it was a show. So by your logic the Marvel comic was the inspiration...except for the fact that the producers didn't look towards that comic, and were instead sent the IDW and Dreamwave books instead.

Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_%28film%29 thoroughly. You will again babble like an ignorant before reading it.
You're the one who keeps shouting G1 film like a chicken with it's head cut off, not that article. It just mentions that DeSanto and Murphy sought to make a G1 film then goes onto say how Bay and Hasbro pushed them away from that.

[ShadowBoxing]

You mean since BM? I don't recall any BW Transformers except for "guest character" that have vehicle mode.

G1 actually uses a combination of beasts and vehicles. It predates BM.
Since Beast Wars means after, not during. G1 did use a combination, only because of the toyline not the storyline. And "Beast Planet" in Cybertron is clearly a reference to Beast Wars, not G1. And Scorponok's beasties in Energon were called Terrorcons, and functioned outside of the Decepticon ranks...much like Predacons supposedly. Predacons were the one's in RiD.
Don't care. Non sequitur. Whatever. Adds nothing to the discussion.

-It's TF lore, not TF voice actors life-

Point exists that Peter Cullen or Frank Welker is more of a legend to TF fans than Scott McNeill.
Incorrect. Beast Wars voice actors are just as common, if not moreso at BotCon conventions and are often the biggest draw. David Kaye and Gary Chalk are easily just as beloved, and just as big a draw.

In fact the www.Allspark.com. That message board will virtually blacklist you for liking G1. Here check this thread: http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31727
It's budgetary restrictions. It maybe the best to convey a more simplistic but focused storytelling.
Okay, but they took that from future incarnations, not G1.
But tell me, is it a monopoly of BW to have a smaller cast, and G1 must always have a large cast of robots?
I did. End of story.
Please don't kid yourself.
Get off your damn high horse.
Transformers Armada/Cybertron/Energon is based loosely on G1.
"Loosely" is the key word. Except for Optimus and Megatron's eternal struggle, when they abandone the premise, story, animation style, voice actors, writing staff and basically anything else you can think of. It's not G1, it's is its own thing.
TF movie is based on G1. Is that not big enough for you?
Refer to what Lars said
BTW, I don't believe/post myself as a G1 purist. G1 maybe the best to convey the world of TF to the mainstream than BW, who stuck their robots only in beast forms. BM, on the other hand, is an abomination. Rat in a wheel?
G1 doesn't hold a monopoly on Car Robots. And as you pointed out even G1 used Beasties. If G1 were the best way to convey Transformers it wouldn't have been cancelled in 1987.

I can disable your whole argument with one sentence actually: G1 is not a fiction, it's a toyline designation. You need some help explaining that for you. Here it goes. Hasbro sells toys, G1 was created to sell those toys, when new toys are made ergo a new show is made unconnected to the prior show. G1 is a continuity that is not a rolling continuity like Marvel, it had a definite end and several reboots of the Transformers line have followed. Transformers doesn't build off of it's fiction, it builds off of it's toyline. That's why all it's fictions are so drastically different.

[chiefchirpa]

Dumb point. Optimus was first introduced in G1, but he isn't the same Optimus as appeared in future incarnations of the show. It might be a throwback to G1 to mention Witwicky, but then so is everytime they re-use a name. Has nothing to do with making it a G1 film. This movie isn't Beast Wars, but it sure as f*** isn't G1 either. It's an entirely different continuity much like RiD or UT.


Are you damn retarded?

It's not an exact G1 movie. It's a movie of TF based largely on Generation 1 TF.

What's your real modus of making this go on and on? That BW influences the movie the most? BW doesn't influence the movie at all, since the screen writers are asked to research on Generation 1 TF.

[chiefchirpa]

That's the most ridiculous crap I ever heard. The only reason G1 gets re-referenced is copyright issues.


It's not copyright issue. G1 is referenced in the movie because it will based largely on G1. What's stopping Dreamworks to use name Optimal Prime or Gigatron? Nothing. Optimus Prime and Megatron is there because they want to make a movie largely based on G1.


That's why Optimus, Megatron and Starscream show up in future incarnations because they don't want to lose those characters.


Lose to what? You're cutting the sentences to short or you're alluding to something immaterial.


And yes they are highly marketable, but keep in mind Optimus, Megatron and some form of Starscream and Bumblebee have all been part of the Transformers-verse.


Yes, so? TF fans know more about Starscream than Waspinator. Bumblebee more than Cheetor.


G1 died 20 years ago, they make future incarnations to sell a new product, not an old one.


G1 doesn't die, bonehead. The writers are asked to research Generation 1 TF in making the movie.


Hasbro in fact is the one who adviced them to drastically change all the designs.


Captain Obvious. No need to explain this me.


They were originally going to call them Soundwave, but dropped that as well. It's immaterial, they called him Blackout.


Soundwave -> Soundbyte -> Frenzy
Vortex -> Blackout


The guy who did the voice of Rhinox does Ironhide's voice in the game dumbass.


What's this has to do with the game or the voice actor?

Ironhide in the movie is to reference G1 Ironhide character. Not Rhinox and his voice actor.


And Optimus Prime was a monkey for quiet some time. As me and Lars have tried to tell you, this is not a G1 movie. It's a combination of ALL the franchises being celebrated in one movie.


You don't read the Wiki page I gave you. Is this always an issue with you to never listening to other people's reasoning?

Short version: they're looking at the G1 lore, but made modifications later because some of things told in G1 is not appropriate for the movie - including the alt.mode, the Ark and so on.

So what, me and Lars point still stands it's not a G1 movie, it's a 20 years of Transformers movie. And furthermore the Alt.mode is the same as his G2 form bud.


What's this you're trying to take a buddy on this issue? Haha, lily-livered can't stand up by yourself.

The reason that there's changes on the alt mode is because of decisions. They at one point consider Bumblebee as a VW Bug (thoght it off because it will be similar to Herbie) and Optimus as the original cab trailer (thought it off because it will be too short).


G1 was a comic before it was a show. So by your logic the Marvel comic was the inspiration...except for the fact that the producers didn't look towards that comic, and were instead sent the IDW and Dreamwave books instead.


Toys -> Show -> Comic.


You're the one who keeps shouting G1 film like a chicken with it's head cut off, not that article. It just mentions that DeSanto and Murphy sought to make a G1 film then goes onto say how Bay and Hasbro pushed them away from that.

Read my post above this. It's largely based on G1, no matter how you want to diss the G1 lore.

[chiefchirpa]

Since Beast Wars means after, not during. G1 did use a combination, only because of the toyline not the storyline.


Dinobots, Predacons, etc

You're just plain ignorant.


Incorrect. Beast Wars voice actors are just as common, if not moreso at BotCon conventions and are often the biggest draw. David Kaye and Gary Chalk are easily just as beloved, and just as big a draw.


You don't suppose to negate that Peter Cullen is more famous as Optimus Prime (or Frank Welker as Megatron) than David Kaye and Gary Chalk, huh?


In fact the www.Allspark.com (http://www.Allspark.com). That message board will virtually blacklist you for liking G1. Here check this thread: http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31727


Wow, is there a board that bans people from discussing G1? Amazing.

I don't care, idle-head. TF is not my life and I said all along I'm not a G1 purist.


Okay, but they took that from future incarnations, not G1.


Who are you to say that they took it from future incarnations? Do you have evidences or you're just pulling it from somewhere I don't want to smell.


I did. End of story.


I said "But tell me, is it a monopoly of BW to have a smaller cast, and G1 must always have a large cast of robots?"

You said: "I did. End of story"

Huh?


"Loosely" is the key word. Except for Optimus and Megatron's eternal struggle, when they abandone the premise, story, animation style, voice actors, writing staff and basically anything else you can think of. It's not G1, it's is its own thing.


Read the Wiki.


Refer to what Lars said


Next time, if you want to uphold your arguments please bring all the evidences need it for me to look at easily.


G1 doesn't hold a monopoly on Car Robots. And as you pointed out even G1 used Beasties. If G1 were the best way to convey Transformers it wouldn't have been cancelled in 1987.


Who says G1 has a monopoly on Car Robots? I might say G1 has both beasts and vehicular alt-modes, and BW can only stick with beasts because the storyline restricts it.

GI JOE and He-Man were cancelled in the 80's. It doesn't stop producers to make movie based on them, yes? I don't know if you have reading comprehension or the stronghead of yours skipped the part on the Wiki link I gave you where it says clearly that the producers are aiming for a TF movie based on G1-lore.


I can disable your whole argument with one sentence actually: G1 is not a fiction, it's a toyline designation. You need some help explaining that for you. Here it goes. Hasbro sells toys, G1 was created to sell those toys, when new toys are made ergo a new show is made unconnected to the prior show. G1 is a continuity that is not a rolling continuity like Marvel, it had a definite end and several reboots of the Transformers line have followed. Transformers doesn't build off of it's fiction, it builds off of it's toyline. That's why all it's fictions are so drastically different.

If G1 is not an ongoing-lore, why the comics and reimagined animated series still exists? IIRC there will be Avengers vs Transformers comics coming this month. The said Transformers will be G1 characters, not BW characters.

What's my argument anyway? That the movie is largely based on G1? Check. I stick to my point, pal. Not like you "the movie is based on BW, no Armada, no Energon, ah it's just not based on G1." Haha. And that dual gatling guns. ROLFMAO. Check your eyes to the nearest opthalmologist. I'm willing it's not your eyes that are damaged. It's your mind.

[lars573]

Dinobots, Predacons, etc

You're just plain ignorant.
This right here is you just being plain stupid. The Dinobots (all of them), and the insecticons are Diaclone toys. Released in 1982 as Dinosaur Robo's and Waruders respectivly. Proof. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBat-ovIsg)

The Predacons were desinged in full by a team of engineers that Takara poached from Bandai. And it's been asserted that they walked out with an unused Megazord design and adapted it into Predaking.

[ShadowBoxing]

If G1 is not an ongoing-lore, why the comics and reimagined animated series still exists?
As reboots and relaunches that appeal to a very small market. IDW isn't a huge comic producer. And furthermore they aren't "ongoing". No comic (aside from G2) has ever built off G1 comics. This new IDW series will feature, for example, a Nightbeat who is not a headmaster, a Hot Rod who has a different alt mode, a Prowl that is a Nissan Z, and a Megatron that is a tank. In addition Galvatron is not Megatron upgraded this time around. So no, not ongoing.
IIRC there will be Avengers vs Transformers comics coming this month. The said Transformers will be G1 characters, not BW characters.
And there is a Beast Wars ongoing in the works at IDW along with a new comic based on Transformers:animated and a comic based on "Heart of Steel" and other alternate Universe takes. Those aren't G1.
What's my argument anyway? That the movie is largely based on G1? Check.
Largely, how so. Character names, and the Witwicky last name, and Peter Cullen aside. The plot - not G1. The character designs - not G1. The premise - not G1. The origin - not G1. The human supporting cast - not G1. The date of arrival - not 1984. The alt modes - not G1. So largely it's based on a brand new concept much like the last umpteen toylines and fictions produced by Hasbro. No surprise there.
I stick to my point, pal. Not like you "the movie is based on BW, no Armada, no Energon, ah it's just not based on G1."
Learn to read. No one said it was based on Beast Wars. Both me and Lars said it was a film which encompasses the last 23 years of TF history. Energon, Armada, IDW, Dreamwave, Marvel, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Transformers, Japan continuities included. We even get a reference to "diaclone" in the movie. So, no both your straw man representation of our argument and your piss poor assertions are both sadly incorrect.
Haha. And that dual gatling guns. ROLFMAO. Check your eyes to the nearest opthalmologist. I'm willing it's not your eyes that are damaged. It's your mind.
And you're getting a mod report for that. Learn to debate civilly.

[ShadowBoxing]

Toys -> Show -> Comic.

Jim Shooter and Bob Budinsky wrote the concept to the comic and toyline before the cartoon came out with the pilot.

Hasbro was enjoying a healthy relationship with Marvel Comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Comics) after the success of the G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Joe:_A_Real_American_Hero). Marvel was approached once again with providing a backstory for the new toy line which was developed by Jim Shooter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Shooter) and Dennis O'Neil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_O%27Neil). Bob Budiansky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Budiansky) was brought in to create names and profiles for the characters.

The comic stories predate the pilot. That's why you see Ratchet change from a toy accurate design in the comic to a toon accurate design by the end of the fourth or fifth issue. Because the Sunbow people had not finalized designs by the time they were done penning the initial four issue mini.

[Daredevil_2003]

The concept and setting of G1 is my favorite, but I'm sorry to say it is not the end all, be all of TF, every incarnation has it's pros and cons and that's why I loved the movie so much, I prefer the '20 Years of Transformers' film over a slavish G1 movie which is basically a fan boy ejaculation rather than a good idea. All the best comic adaptations have taken elements from all over the mythos (Superman: The Movie, Batman Begins, Spidey 1 and 2, etc)

[chiefchirpa]

As reboots and relaunches that appeal to a very small market. IDW isn't a huge comic producer. And furthermore they aren't "ongoing". No comic (aside from G2) has ever built off G1 comics. This new IDW series will feature, for example, a Nightbeat who is not a headmaster, a Hot Rod who has a different alt mode, a Prowl that is a Nissan Z, and a Megatron that is a tank. In addition Galvatron is not Megatron upgraded this time around. So no, not ongoing.


Any reimagining of G1 will carry on as time changes. Say you're living in 2030, are you still going to read TFs that has an alt-mode of 80's period vehicles. Maybe so, but this material is not gonna be popular with readers at that time. 2030 readers want to see updated TFs. Reimagining is a given. Even so for a movie watched by people not accustomed to the cartoon.


Largely, how so. Character names, and the Witwicky last name, and Peter Cullen aside. The plot - not G1. The character designs - not G1. The premise - not G1. The origin - not G1. The human supporting cast - not G1. The date of arrival - not 1984. The alt modes - not G1. So largely it's based on a brand new concept much like the last umpteen toylines and fictions produced by Hasbro. No surprise there.


If you want to create an X-Men movie, is the origin going to be exactly the same as it is in the comics? Exactly the same? Is Joss Whedon's Rogue and Wolvie is the same as it's in 616 X-Men or Ultimate origin. Does this mean it's not X-Men. Of course not. The directors and/or scriptwriters will take liberty on everything necessary to make the movie more believable and sellable to the audience. You can see from the Wiki page or any source about the TF movie that the lore heavily based for the movie is Generation 1.


Learn to read. No one said it was based on Beast Wars. Both me and Lars said it was a film which encompasses the last 23 years of TF history. Energon, Armada, IDW, Dreamwave, Marvel, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Transformers, Japan continuities included. We even get a reference to "diaclone" in the movie. So, no both your straw man representation of our argument and your piss poor assertions are both sadly incorrect.


I'm saying that the TF lore that's most researched for the movie is G1. And it has been proven and printed in Wiki. Lars has never been into the argument with me afterall.


And you're getting a mod report for that. Learn to debate civilly.

Bring it on. I'll turn you over to mod too if you do that.

At least I don't say "dumbass" in my post, I'm just cajolling over your weak argument with introducing Ironhide with gatling guns. Why do you get that sensitive?


The guy who did the voice of Rhinox does Ironhide's voice in the game dumbass.

[chiefchirpa]

Jim Shooter and Bob Budinsky wrote the concept to the comic and toyline before the cartoon came out with the pilot.


But is the "concept" out yet before the show?


The comic stories predate the pilot. That's why you see Ratchet change from a toy accurate design in the comic to a toon accurate design by the end of the fourth or fifth issue. Because the Sunbow people had not finalized designs by the time they were done penning the initial four issue mini.

Give a link on this.

[chiefchirpa]

This right here is you just being plain stupid. The Dinobots (all of them), and the insecticons are Diaclone toys. Released in 1982 as Dinosaur Robo's and Waruders respectivly. Proof. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBat-ovIsg)

The Predacons were desinged in full by a team of engineers that Takara poached from Bandai. And it's been asserted that they walked out with an unused Megazord design and adapted it into Predaking.

Bad example, eh Lars :)

Ok how bout, Apeface, Mindwipe, Snapdragon, Skullcruncher, Weirdwolf.

Nevertheless, I've never had an issue with Dinobots, Insecticons, and Predacons in TF show storyline. Even though the toyline starts them, they're canon to G1. And guess what? Grimlock is arguably more famous than Dinobot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0XKHQ7gMNc (teaser for the movie featuring Grimlock - another reason the movie is largely based on G1?)

[lars573]

Bad example, eh Lars :)

Ok how bout, Apeface, Mindwipe, Snapdragon, Skullcruncher, Weirdwolf.

Nevertheless, I've never had an issue with Dinobots, Insecticons, and Predacons in TF show storyline. Even though the toyline starts them, they're canon to G1. And guess what? Grimlock is arguably more famous than Dinobot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0XKHQ7gMNc (teaser for the movie featuring Grimlock - another reason the movie is largely based on G1?)
Better. But Apeface and Snapdragon were triple changers. They were both also jets. And the 3 headmasters can be chalked up to you have more freedom cooking up car desgins than jet desgins. Given the Autobots=cars and trucks, Decepticons=planes and other fying machines desgin mentality in the toys.

[chiefchirpa]

Better. But Apeface and Snapdragon were triple changers. They were both also jets. And the 3 headmasters can be chalked up to you have more freedom cooking up car desgins than jet desgins. Given the Autobots=cars and trucks, Decepticons=planes and other fying machines desgin mentality in the toys.

Just say that back in 1987 they were less advanced in transformers design then what's in the G2 or BW era. :)

Starting with Aerialbots or maybe before that (Again I'm not a G1 purist or TF hardcore fan), Autobot is no longer stuck with landlocked vehicles, and vice versa with the Decepticons.

Anyway do you guys know any Sixshot (6-changers) nemesis in the Autobot side? Sixshot is a bad-ass that can singlehandedly defeat all Gestalt TFs perhaps except Predaking.

[lars573]

Well there was an Autobot sixchanger. Quickswitch. (http://www.tfu.info/1988/Autobot/Quickswitch/quickswitch.htm)

[ShadowBoxing]

Well there was an Autobot sixchanger. Quickswitch. (http://www.tfu.info/1988/Autobot/Quickswitch/quickswitch.htm)
And of course don't forget the Sixshot remold, Greatshot.

[chiefchirpa]

And of course don't forget the Sixshot remold, Greatshot.

Ah ok, thanks guys.

Just check on Quickswitch. What an ugly toy that is ;)

[Kal-El 8]

I'm a Die hard G1 fanboy .:trans:

[Starscreamer]

The movie isn't based on G1. It's a synthesis of the whole of TF's. After all movie Scorponok is in now way based on G1 Scorponok (that honour falls to the Energon version). He's based on Beast Wars Scorponok.

Optimus is a truck not an ape who says things like "freedom is the right of all sentient beings, one shall stand, one shall fall"

Megatron says "you fail me again Starscream"

Starscream is a jet

I could go on but clearly this film was G1 based I see no reference to Beast Wars in the film. Allow me to say I love Beast Wars but G1 Rocks!

[ShadowBoxing]

Optimus is a truck not an ape who says things like "freedom is the right of all sentient beings, one shall stand, one shall fall"

Megatron says "you fail me again Starscream"

Starscream is a jet

I could go on but clearly this film was G1 based I see no reference to Beast Wars in the film. Allow me to say I love Beast Wars but G1 Rocks!
You do realize that there has been more than just G1 and Beast Wars right...and I can think of about three of them that would fit the criteria you just put down.

And as for "no reference to Beast Wars". Protoforms, the term "Allspark", Scorponok, Prime Lips, Sparks (souls) all come from Beast Wars and were all featured in the film.

[Spidey-Bat]

I finally downloaded the G1 episodes. I watched the first episode (More than Meets the Eye pt. 1) and was surprised by how awesome it was (especially for an 80's cartoon). I'm a huge Beast Wars fan and it was cool to see how the Ark landed on prehistoric Earth. One thing I find funny is Optimus' magic trailer. The first time he transformed from truck to robot it magically disappeared and when he transformed into a truck again it magically appeared.

[Grievous]

I'm a Die hard G1 fanboy .:trans:
me too, I love G1!

[ShadowBoxing]

I finally downloaded the G1 episodes. I watched the first episode (More than Meets the Eye pt. 1) and was surprised by how awesome it was (especially for an 80's cartoon). I'm a huge Beast Wars fan and it was cool to see how the Ark landed on prehistoric Earth. One thing I find funny is Optimus' magic trailer. The first time he transformed from truck to robot it magically disappeared and when he transformed into a truck again it magically appeared.
The first three episodes are not that bad. They aren't that good either, but definitely not bad. Aside from the "magical" (or ridiculous elements) elements that plagued the show, the episode themselves are watchable at a level most of that show is not. However the highlight of season one is either "Divide and Conquor", "Countdown to Extinction" or my personal favorite "The Ultimate Doom I, II and III". It's the second three parter, and aside from taking some suspension of disbelief, it's perhaps the greatest scheme Megatron unleashed. Certainly his most grandios. If anything the episodes major drawback is where it is placed in the series. The show gets decidedly silly after that, and until the third season we really never see the show have an truly "epic" storylines. That storyline truly was epic though.

If I were you, going for sheer entertainment. Skip everything from "Autobot Spike" until the movie. It's not worth the brain power it takes to will yourself through most of those episodes. It's also really sad to watch how stupid Grimlock gets between his last appearance in season 1 and his subsequent appearances leading up to season 2. Especially after the comic made him a badass.

[Spidey-Bat]

I've downloaded the first 5 eps of season 1 and have the rest downloading now. I started some of season 2 but if it's that bad, I'll skip it. Just to double check, the Movie takes place between seasons 2 and 3, correct?

Since I should skip all of season 2, is there anything significant I should know about? I like to see all episodes of a show just to know what happens but if I shouldn't, I will since it takes up a lot of space on my comp and time to download.

[ShadowBoxing]

I've downloaded the first 5 eps of season 1 and have the rest downloading now. I started some of season 2 but if it's that bad, I'll skip it. Just to double check, the Movie takes place between seasons 2 and 3, correct?

Since I should skip all of season 2, is there anything significant I should know about? I like to see all episodes of a show just to know what happens but if I shouldn't, I will since it takes up a lot of space on my comp and time to download.
The season is not all bad. "Megatron's Master Plan" is decent. But if you're watching for important moments. Basically the Movie was done during "Dinobot Island" and the rest of season 2 has some conflict with the film itself. It takes place between season 2 (which ends somewhere in the mid nineteen eighties) and season 3 (which picks up less than a year later in 2006, Movie being in 2005). However the movie itself seems to only pay attention, and rightfully so, to events taking place within the first half of season 2. The biggest season 2 event (out of the 49 episodes) is probably "Key to Vector Sigma" which introduces the Aerialbots, Stunticons and Vector Sigma. The "Search for Alpha Trion", "War Dawn" and "The Gambler" hold some significance as well in the series overall. Another fan favorite "The Secret of Omega Supreme" is somewhat held in regard, however be warned, this is episode makes NO SENSE in relation to season 1 and much of the rest of the show.

[Soundwave]

While I personally think that "Code of Hero" in BW is the best Transformers episode ever made, the G1 series will always be my favorite overall. The G1 series is one of the most popular cartoons of all time and it had some of the most memorable characters. As far as I'm concerned it is still the standard by which all other Transformer cartoons will be measured against.

[ShadowBoxing]

While I personally think that "Code of Hero" in BW is the best Transformers episode ever made, the G1 series will always be my favorite overall. The G1 series is one of the most popular cartoons of all time and it had some of the most memorable characters.
Not so sure about this. In it's day it's said to have been less popular than G.I.Joe, Ninja Turtles and even Masters. It did only last three seasons, and it's movie made less than 6 million total. However it had a killer toyline, which is said to have been the among the most popular toylines of all time (apparently beating out Star Wars). However I feel it's popularity is nostalgia based, as do most Transformers fans. It seems the popularity of future incarnations (Beast Wars getting better ratings and more critical acclaim, and Armada selling better as a toyline) fuelled nostalgia filled love. Most people, even here, cannot name more than two or three episodes at most. And as I said, the show was cancelled due to poor ratings.
As far as I'm concerned it is still the standard by which all other Transformer cartoons will be measured against.
Quality wise. No. Absolutely not. Any show that lacks the common sense to not sell it's animation out to a knock off Korean company mid way through it's second season should be considered a "standard". Any show that lacks the common sense to not give their writers breathing room, instead insisting new episodes every week rather than slowing the pace to encourage more consistency should be considered a "standard". And no show that has that much red tape should be considered a standard either. Most fans agree, for all it's fun moments it was a bad show. The comic probably redeemed the fiction the most when Simon Furman took over. However G1 gave the franchise shakey legs to stand on. This is probably the reason they (among others) abandoned the concept of making Beast Wars a direct sequel to G1 (of course anyone who reads the tech specs immediately knows that Optimus Primal and Megatron were simply reformated versions of themselves and that originally the show was to take place in 2007, following Rebirth). However Hasbro allowed Bob Forward and Larry Ditillo revamp the dying franchise. The truth is, if G1 were held as any standard they would've bankrupted themselves. The toys were the golden star of that whole generation.

[Orb]

I liked G1 and enjoyed it but for me the best show is Beast Wars!

[Kal-El 8]

G1 bots with Robots In Disguise theme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdNcwzcBueE

[ShadowBoxing]

G1 bots with Robots In Disguise theme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdNcwzcBueE
That sucked

This one rocks
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[Lunar_Wolf]

Met Gregg Berger
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff104/robertwolf/IMG_0217.jpg