2007 NFL Thread

[Dark Donnie]

Looks like he'll be done. Plus, I heard that if he didn't plead now, more charges, supposedly including gambling/racketeering would have been brought out. If that had happen, he definitely would have been finished.

Well the max he was facing was 5 I believe the other charges would have brought it up to 25 I think

[Kaleb]

18 to 36 months I think is the deal

[Dark Donnie]

18 to 36 months I think is the deal

Thats what I read....2 years good behavior and lifetime ban

[rdh007]

When will the Raiders sign him?

[dr venture]

It's a shame, both Vick's ****ed their careers up

[jaguarr]

18-36 months was the original offer on the table from the prosecutors, but Vick's management was pushing for less. It will be interesting to see what they finally agreed upon. I wish they would have buried him with the pending additional charges instead. I hope the NFL stays true to their word and issues a lifetime ban against him for personal misconduct. What a jackass.

jag

[Dark Donnie]

18-36 months was the original offer on the table from the prosecutors, but Vick's management was pushing for less. It will be interesting to see what they finally agreed upon. I wish they would have buried him with the pending additional charges instead. I hope the NFL stays true to their word and issues a lifetime ban against him for personal misconduct. What a jackass.

jag

Same here....if he gets less then a year then that is bad

[Showtime]

Coach Makes Excuses for Young's Poor Performance (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2980743)

How dare the Patriots blitz him like that. Don't they know he was the RotY last season!? :cmad:

Fisher and Young, birds of a feather. Let's break out the "excuse roledex".

[jaguarr]

Fisher and Young, birds of a feather. Let's break out the "excuse roledex".

Young was doomed to never live up to his own hype, but man is he turning into a choke artist.

jag

[Kaleb]

Thats what I read....2 years good behavior and lifetime ban

hopefully Peta and the ncaap can shut the hell up now.

[Kaleb]

It's a shame, both Vick's ****ed their careers up

lets be honest, Marcus never really had a career to begin with.

[dr venture]

Marcus would have had at least some type of career based on his last name alone

[Immortalfire]

lets be honest, Marcus never really had a career to begin with.

Yup.

[kane9321]

i wanted vick to get the max...something this disgusting should straight be punished. Vick is a piece of crap

one year in jail (if he gets that) isnt justice

[Mee]

R.I.P. Vick's career.


Now what happens to the Falcons? They've been built around Vick, now they gotta start over.

[Kaleb]

Falcons will draft Brian Brohm with the overal first pick next yr.

[KALEL114]

While he is in prison, he should study french. Canadian Football League is waiting for him.

[KALEL114]

R.I.P. Vick's career.


Now what happens to the Falcons? They've been built around Vick, now they gotta start over.
Yeah with Harrington. Oh Noes!

[Kaleb]

Falcons are in for a big wake up if they think that Harrington will help the them.

[Kaleb]

I dont know why falcons fans are upset at Least they have one of the best backup QBs in the league in Matt Shaubb

oh wait ... nevermind!

[Fran]

18-36 months was the original offer on the table from the prosecutors, but Vick's management was pushing for less. It will be interesting to see what they finally agreed upon. I wish they would have buried him with the pending additional charges instead. I hope the NFL stays true to their word and issues a lifetime ban against him for personal misconduct. What a jackass.

jag

Welcome to the thread :up:

And I believe in Roger Goodell. I'm fairly sure that a lifetime ban is in effect now. If it doesn't happen, I'll be extremely upset.

[KALEL114]

I dont know why falcons fans are upset at Least they have one of the best backup QBs in the league in Matt Shaubb

oh wait ... nevermind!
LOl. They shouldn't of let him go. Even before this went down they were questioning Vick as their future.

[Immortalfire]

Whatever happens, happens. But you'll be hard pressed to find a lot of people wringing their hands in worry about Atlanta's season. More often than not people in this state generally don't care what the Falcons do or don't. Not to say they don't have fans, but around these parts, college ball means more to folks than the NFL ever will. Fact.

[KALEL114]

Welcome to the thread :up:

And I believe in Roger Goodell. I'm fairly sure that a lifetime ban is in effect now. If it doesn't happen, I'll be extremely upset.
Lying to Goodell can't help him either. A life time ban is coming.

[Fran]

Whatever happens, happens. But you'll be hard pressed to find a lot of people wringing their hands in worry about Atlanta's season. More often than not people in this state generally don't care what the Falcons do or don't. Not to say they don't have fans, but around these parts, college ball means more to folks than the NFL ever will. Fact.

What do you want to see happen to Vick? I hope you're not one of those blind supporters :csad:

[kane9321]

vick straight up lied to goodell..thats a no no.

[Fran]

Now if Tagliabue was still the commish, I'm sure he'd only say, "Michael will only be gone one year. We all make mistakes. Even if this is a major federal crime. :csad:"

[KALEL114]

Now if Tagliabue was still the commish, I'm sure he'd only say, "Michael will only be gone one year. We all make mistakes. Even if this is a major federal crime. :csad:"
So tru. You don't f with Goodell.

[Immortalfire]

I do like Goodell's style of discipline, laying down the truth that being in the league is a privilege, not a right.

[Fran]

He looks big as hell, like he could kick anyone's ass, unlike Tagliabue :o

[jaguarr]

Welcome to the thread :up:

And I believe in Roger Goodell. I'm fairly sure that a lifetime ban is in effect now. If it doesn't happen, I'll be extremely upset.

I've posted in here before. :huh:

At any rate, I hope Goodell bans Vick from the planet.

jag

[Kaleb]

I like what Goddell has been doing since he has stepped in, and I heard the next issue that he wants to tackle is the ridiculous contracts that rookies get.

[kane9321]

I've posted in here before. :huh:

At any rate, I hope Goodell bans Vick from the planet.

jag


damn jag..the whole entire planet.:wow:

[Fran]

I've posted in here before. :huh:

At any rate, I hope Goodell bans Vick from the planet.

jag

Didn't know, I was trying to be friendly. :O:cmad:

[Immortalfire]

I say let Hairy Dawg have at him..

http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/geo/graphics/geo-hairy_dawg-150x200.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f85/30643/Vickanddog.jpg

[KALEL114]

Lol.Talk about the punishment fitting the crime.

[Cmill216]

There's nothing left for me to say on this matter. It is what it is. So all I'll say is this:

Michael Vick is a dick.

[Kaleb]

There's nothing left for me to say on this matter. It is what it is. So all I'll say is this:

Michael Vick is a dick.good rebuttle.

[Kaleb]

The NFL released a statement regarding Michael Vick and his impending guilty plea on Monday afternoon.

"We are aware of Michael Vick's decision to enter a guilty plea to the federal charges against him and accept responsibility for his conduct," the statement reads. "We totally condemn the conduct outlined in the charges, which is inconsistent with what Michael Vick previously told both our office and the Falcons. We will conclude our own review under the league’s personal conduct policy as soon as possible. In the meantime, we have asked the Falcons to continue to refrain from taking action pending a decision by the commissioner."

[Memphis Slim]

Ray Lewis didnt kill anyone . That is why he has been able to rehabilitate his image, I mean it was 1 momentary lapse of judgement vs yrs of Animal abuse.


BUt didn't he obstruct justice in the murder of a human being??

[rdh007]

Ray Lewis may have gotten away with murder.

[bored]

And if he'd done it recently, Goodell would be all over him. The guy takes no ****.

[NewYorkSpider]

Vick had better get a lifetime ban.

[Kaleb]

chris mortinson on espn just said he would proberbly return in 09 , but whether a team is willing to take him is another thing.

[AhabTheArab]

vick better get hung, he deserves no less.

[Kaleb]

Sorry but thats too extreme.

[Cmill216]

Burn him!!! :cmad:

[X-Rated]

chris mortinson on espn just said he would proberbly return in 09 , but whether a team is willing to take him is another thing.

if Mort say it, it probably will happen and i can see two teams right off the bat that would take him.

[AhabTheArab]

Sorry but thats too extreme.

drowning dogs is not extreme? mind you, he plead GUILTY to those charges, he killed those dogs.

[Jerry!]

Executing people for killing dogs is extreme. Yes. I'm sorry but its not the same as murdering a human being. Can we come to our senses here?

[Dark Donnie]

But...how sick in the head must you be to actually drown a dog.

[jaguarr]

Didn't know, I was trying to be friendly. :O:cmad:

Thanks! :cmad:

BUt didn't he obstruct justice in the murder of a human being??

Yes, he did. Amazing that he got away with it, too.

And if he'd done it recently, Goodell would be all over him. The guy takes no ****.

Totally agree. I think things are going to go differently for Vick with Gooddell around. Especially since he flat out lied to Gooddell and the rest of the commission, which probably has them all kinds of pissed off at Vick. And rightfully so.

Vick had better get a lifetime ban.

I agree.

chris mortinson on espn just said he would proberbly return in 09 , but whether a team is willing to take him is another thing.

I'm not so sure about that. Mort's kind of operating off of how things were before Gooddell came into the picture with that guess. Things are a lot different now with him running the show. He's really trying to clean up the league.

jag

[X-Rated]

drowning dogs is not extreme? mind you, he plead GUILTY to those charges, he killed those dogs.

Well, it no more different than ambushing and blowing the head off a deer and calling that hunting. But I know you say that's different because deer is not man's best friend. :cwink:

Suspend his *** for a year.

[Cmill216]

Regarding Goodell, I look at it like this:

If he could give Pacman Jones a year suspension for just being involved in random s*** (no convictions), what do you think he'll do with a guy who has completely stained an organization, murdered innocent animals, lied to the entire league, and is likely headed for a year-plus prison sentence?

[Dark Donnie]

Lifetime ban is definately not out of the question

[X-Rated]

I can live with that ^

[SurfDUI]

It's a shame, both Vick's ****ed their careers up

Marcus Vick never truly got started

[MakeMineMarvel]

Interrupting the very worthwhile Vick rants - I bring you humor, courtesy of Fark and Tom Brady:
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2994424

[rdh007]

Marcus Vick never truly got started
You mean on screwing things up?

[SurfDUI]

Mann FK R. Goddell...What..Tags was slippin. Anybody remember R. Caruth..a real horse douche by the way.

He's so damn hard on 'these players', whatever, seem like a no brainer to me-no other commish had a rogue Atari character or a Southern Dog fight promoter to deal with.

[Jerry!]

But...how sick in the head must you be to actually drown a dog.

Yeah definitely messed up. But again, compared to killing a human being its nothing, thus execution for it is absurd.

[SurfDUI]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/b3a85b1f-e3a8-4790-a336-5adc80e9dd5f.jpg

Good ol Rex

[Ghostvirus]

So who won Da Bear, Colts game.

[Jerry!]

Garret Wolfe is 5' nothing. Looks like a little kid running around out there. Game is ongoing, Bears winning 27-17 in the 4th. Rex looked good early on, but then did his classic at the line fumble a few times and threw an INT. Starting defense looked alright. Griese looked good and so is Orton, but I want to see Leak get some playing time.

[vindrow]

Time for Vickie-poo to start looking the CFL or the AFL when he gets out of prison.

[Memphis Slim]

But...how sick in the head must you be to actually drown a dog.


or murder a human baby in the womb.....

[Memphis Slim]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/b3a85b1f-e3a8-4790-a336-5adc80e9dd5f.jpg

Good ol Rex


Surf....

Are you digging #43's game????????? THIS DUDE IS NAILS!!! When Hester broke that big run Giodorno actually caught up to him and passed him!! If Hester hadn't tripped on his own feet, he would have gotten clocked by #43!

[Memphis Slim]

Matt Giordano -Defensive Backhttp://mirror.colts.com/images/numbers/43.gif http://mirror.colts.com/images/player_photos/Giordano_Matt.jpg
5-11, 200
California
3 years in the NFL
D4b-05
DOB: 10/16/1982
http://mirror.colts.com/images/sp.gifCOLTS CAREER DEFENSIVE STATS http://mirror.colts.com/images/news_photos/43_giordano/2007_0817_tc_08_hall_small.jpg (http://mirror.colts.com/modules/photo_view.cfm?id=http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/43_giordano\2007_0817_tc_08_hall.jpg&first=Matt&last=Giordano&player_num=43&date=&orient=V) http://mirror.colts.com/images/news_photos/43_giordano/2007_0809_dal_015_macht_small.jpg (http://mirror.colts.com/modules/photo_view.cfm?id=http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/43_giordano\2007_0809_dal_015_macht.jpg&first=Matt&last=Giordano&player_num=43&date=08-09-2007&orient=V) http://mirror.colts.com/images/news_photos/43_giordano/2007_0803_tc_16_hall_small.jpg (http://mirror.colts.com/modules/photo_view.cfm?id=http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/43_giordano\2007_0803_tc_16_hall.jpg&first=Matt&last=Giordano&player_num=43&date=&orient=V)

[Fran]

But you posted a picture without this #43 in it. WTF:huh:

[Memphis Slim]

But you posted a picture without this #43 in it. WTF:huh:


He was constantly catching dudes from behind......

He is amazing.

[Fran]

But that post/picture combo didn't make se--- never mind.

[Memphis Slim]

But that post/picture combo didn't make se--- never mind.


Did it have to??? I was just commenting on the game.....
no biggie...

[SurfDUI]

Surf....

Are you digging #43's game?


How sick would D. Hest have been?
Matt G. is the real deal, and the only 'othaman' to catch arguably one of the 3 fastest cats in the league-NO small feet.
I saw him lay a hit on L.J. in the first AFC playoff game and was sold then.

Unfortunatlly I still have to deal w/ Rob Morris.:csad:
Pollian does have his favorites

[SurfDUI]

edit double

[SurfDUI]

--- never mind.

I think you found ur new sig:up:

[Memphis Slim]

How sick would D. Hest have been?
Matt G. is the real deal, and the only 'othaman' to catch arguably one of the 3 fastest cats in the league-NO small feet.
I saw him lay a hit on L.J. in the first AFC playoff game and was sold then.

Unfortunatlly I still have to deal w/ Rob Morris.:csad:
Pollian does have his favorites


Matt was everywhere!!! He saved at least two scores!!! FROM BEHIND!!
Matt actually passed him on the angle!!! :wow: :wow:

[SurfDUI]

So who won Da Bear, Colts game.


FinalChicago (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?teamId=3) (2-0, 2-0 away) 27Indianapolis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?teamId=11) (0-2, 0-1 home) 24
http://assets.espn.go.com/i/scoreboard/networkLogo_espn.gif (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2043952)

[SurfDUI]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/7bae6a52-bcba-4740-8aa0-1469cb8c8d42.jpg

Aaron Scott of Fort Wayne, Ind, right, is introduced to Chicago Bears coach Lovie Smith, left, by Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy before the start of a preseason NFL football game in Indianapolis, Monday, Aug. 20, 2007. (AP Photo/Darron Cummings)

Lucky little snot

[Jerry!]

Surf....

Are you digging #43's game????????? THIS DUDE IS NAILS!!! When Hester broke that big run Giodorno actually caught up to him and passed him!! If Hester hadn't tripped on his own feet, he would have gotten clocked by #43!


That wasn't Hester he caught. That was Daniel Manning. Hester only had one punt return and he almost brought that one back, he was completely alone and he tripped:yay:. There was no way anyone was catching up to Hester on that one. Open field he is the fastest guy in the league.

[SurfDUI]

That wasn't Hester he caught. That was Daniel Manning.


They got Hester lined up to recieve now don't they?

[Jerry!]

Yeah he caught a few passes. You were talking about the kick/punt returns right?

[Ghostvirus]

Hester is a scary dude man...Scary dude.

[Jerry!]

I love that missed FG he took back last season. I was cracking up when he mocked that stupid basketball shot the Giants do. Fade away! ITS GOOD!

[Memphis Slim]

That wasn't Hester he caught. That was Daniel Manning. Hester only had one punt return and he almost brought that one back, he was completely alone and he tripped:yay:. There was no way anyone was catching up to Hester on that one. Open field he is the fastest guy in the league.


Go back and look at that. Matt G. had him if he didn't trip. He actually passed him on the angle.

[Showtime]

He was constantly catching dudes from behind

To some that might not be a good thing. :csad:

[Immortalfire]

Looks like the Bears are who we thought they were! :wow:


But it's preseason. So, who gives a rip. :ninja:

[Showtime]

Looks like the Bears are who we thought they were! :wow:


But it's preseason. So, who gives a rip. :ninja:

Not me, when the regular season starts, that is when the cream rises to the top so to speak.

[The Incredible Hulk]

good god, can we start the regular season already? :(

[rdh007]

No way, the Lions are 2-0 and fired up to play the defending champs. They're going to be great this year!
5-11

[jaguarr]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/7bae6a52-bcba-4740-8aa0-1469cb8c8d42.jpg

"Hey, Dungy...whattya say we slow roast this lil white boy over some applewood and hickory chips with a nice cajun rub and have him for dinner?"



:D



jag

[Mee]

I try to pull for Grossman since he's a Gator, but man he makes it hard. 3 fumbles and a pick in a pre-season game? He was in maybe a quarter? (I didn't really watch the game) Jeez. :(

[Cmill216]

I'm pretty sure he turned the ball over on his first two drives. Pretty much exactly what Bears fans DIDN'T want to see.

[Memphis Slim]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/7bae6a52-bcba-4740-8aa0-1469cb8c8d42.jpg

"Hey, Dungy...whattya say we slow roast this lil white boy over some applewood and hickory chips with a nice cajun rub and have him for dinner?"



:D



jag

Oh...so all black people are cannibals?? :dry:

[Jerry!]

Go back and look at that. Matt G. had him if he didn't trip. He actually passed him on the angle.

Yeah I did, and you seem to be missing that Hester had practically an entourage of blockers to the side and front of him at the time he tripped, Matt. G would have either been bulldozed over by one of them or simply out-sprinted by Hester. He wouldn't have caught him. Theres no point in arguing this, Hester is the fastest guy in the league. **** Ted Ginn,. Jr.

[Kaleb]

I can live with that ^

I can live with that as well, I mean seriously ppl who say that Vick should be hanged must come to there senses.

[Fran]

Oh...so all black people are cannibals?? :dry:

Jesus, celldog, he was just joking around. They do have that look, at least Lovie does.

Why does every joke become a hidden racist joke?

[Kaleb]

Jesus, celldog, he was just joking around. They do have that look, at least Lovie does.

Why does every joke become a hidden racist joke? I think he is just doing it to get a rise out of ppl.

[Showtime]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/7bae6a52-bcba-4740-8aa0-1469cb8c8d42.jpg

"Hey, Dungy...whattya say we slow roast this lil white boy over some applewood and hickory chips with a nice cajun rub and have him for dinner?"



:D



jag

You're racist towards white children. :cmad:

[Fran]

I think he is just doing it to get a rise out of ppl.

Yeah, but still, it's an old schtick.

[Memphis Slim]

Jesus, Slim, he was just joking around. They do have that look, at least Lovie does.

Why does every joke become a hidden racist joke?


AND SO WAS I!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kaleb]

Yeah, but still, it's an old schtick.agreed

[Fran]

Sure.

[Kaleb]

word.

[Memphis Slim]

You guys are too sensitive!! Lighten up. :yay:

[Memphis Slim]

word.


okey dokey :huh:

[Fran]

Well, given your, ehm, "reputation," I wasn't so sure of your tactics.

[Memphis Slim]

Well, given your, ehm, "reputation," I wasn't so sure of your tactics.


Well given yours, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at some over-reaction.
"ehmm" :whatever: .

[Fran]

*"ehm"

:dry:

[Memphis Slim]

agreed

affirmative. :yay:

[Kaleb]

God I cant decide whether Culpeppers is worth picking up on waivers.

[Memphis Slim]

*"ehm"

:dry:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:JAe_qYyRLY87sM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Glass-of-water.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Glass-of-water.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Glass-of-water.jpg&h=576&w=394&sz=582&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=JAe_qYyRLY87sM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=102&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dglass%2Bof%2Bwater%26svnum%3D10%26um% 3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26rlz%3D1T4RNWN_enUS 210US211%26sa%3DN) :woot: This should help that throat problem.

[Fran]

No thanks, I'm not gay.

[Memphis Slim]

No thanks, I'm not gay.

Straight people don't drink water?

[Memphis Slim]

just joking...

[Showtime]

http://www.marca.com/marca_usa/nfl/superbowl2004/fotos_noticias/040201patriots_alegria.jpg

[Kaleb]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/kaleb007/26503394.jpg

[Badger]

Jared Allen owns all...:cmad:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/misc/allen_j_w.jpg

:hyper:

[DBella]

Seahawks' game against the Packers suck. I wish I hadn't watched it (repeat telecast). :(

[Cracker Jack]

Go back and look at that. Matt G. had him if he didn't trip. He actually passed him on the angle.


No way Slim. Hester was gone if he wasn't triped up by his own guy.

Go Bears

[Cracker Jack]

I try to pull for Grossman since he's a Gator, but man he makes it hard. 3 fumbles and a pick in a pre-season game? He was in maybe a quarter? (I didn't really watch the game) Jeez. :(


Yeah, Rex better get rid of his evil brother before the season starts. Orton is waiting.

[Jerry!]

You mean Griese. Did Leak get any playing time this preseason so far? I'd like to see him just once at least.

[Cracker Jack]

No I mean Orton, I think he'll pass (no oun) Griese and become #2. I don't think Leak got any reps. All panic stricken Bears fans craziness aside
Grossman actually threw the ball well against the Colts, he was 9 of 11 for 59 yards

[Jerry!]

I don't think thats fair to Griese, he has played well in preseason and has the experience, plus the Bears are paying him quite a bit, so he better get the first look before Orton does. I hope it never has to come to that though. If Grossman can just nail some of these basic fundamentals down I wouldn't be half as worried.

[KALEL114]

Kansas City RB Larry Johnson signs 6-year contract extension, shows up at Chiefs camp

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Kansas City running back Larry Johnson agreed to a six-year contract extension and joined the Chiefs for practice Tuesday, after having been absent from training camp since it opened July 27.

"It was a long, hard negotiation," general manager Carl Peterson said. "We are very happy to have all our children in camp now."

Johnson was in uniform, taking a swing pass from quarterback Brodie Croyle.

Chiefs spokesman Bob Moore said Johnson will speak to the media Wednesday.

Johnson has broken the Chiefs' single-season rushing record in each of the past two seasons. He ran for 1,789 yards last year and set an NFL record with 416 carries.

During his holdout, the team fined him more than $19,000 per day.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-chiefs-johnson&prov=ap&type=lgns

[SurfDUI]

http://nflguru.net/2007/madden-2008-team-ratings-revealed/ (http://nflguru.net/2007/madden-2008-team-ratings-revealed/)

[Kaleb]

Kansas City RB Larry Johnson signs 6-year contract extension, shows up at Chiefs camp

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Kansas City running back Larry Johnson agreed to a six-year contract extension and joined the Chiefs for practice Tuesday, after having been absent from training camp since it opened July 27.

"It was a long, hard negotiation," general manager Carl Peterson said. "We are very happy to have all our children in camp now."

Johnson was in uniform, taking a swing pass from quarterback Brodie Croyle.

Chiefs spokesman Bob Moore said Johnson will speak to the media Wednesday.

Johnson has broken the Chiefs' single-season rushing record in each of the past two seasons. He ran for 1,789 yards last year and set an NFL record with 416 carries.

During his holdout, the team fined him more than $19,000 per day.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-chiefs-johnson&prov=ap&type=lgns
He still has a questionable Oline and not actual QB.

[SurfDUI]

He still has a questionable Oline and not actual QB.

AND he's a general malcontent and ahole.
How dare you get up in Joe Pop's face:cmad:

[Kaleb]

http://nflguru.net/2007/madden-2008-team-ratings-revealed/ (http://nflguru.net/2007/madden-2008-team-ratings-revealed/)


Texans have a very high rating imo

[KALEL114]

Yeah I know. I wouldn't draft him, but the people who did probably gave sigh of relief.

Here are the numbers.
Johnson's contract is worth $45 million, with $19 million guaranteed. Of the guaranteed money, $12 million is the signing bonus and $7 million is guaranteed salary.

[Dark Donnie]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/VicktoDawk.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/VicksSack58.jpg

[SurfDUI]

God I cant decide whether Culpeppers is worth picking up on waivers.


Surfer's always the optimist- He's going to surprise people this year.
It's fkn incredulous that I won't get to see the #1 pick, but they will improve...

as far as that Pokemon thing goes, I guess, grab him.

[Cracker Jack]

I don't think thats fair to Griese, he has played well in preseason and has the experience, plus the Bears are paying him quite a bit, so he better get the first look before Orton does. I hope it never has to come to that though. If Grossman can just nail some of these basic fundamentals down I wouldn't be half as worried.

Oh Griese is getting the first look, I'm just saying that I think Orton will pass (no pun) him up in the standings. I also hope it doesn't come to that. Rex is pretty darn good when he's on. He just needs to get his head out of his ass

[Kaleb]

Rams Too Embarrassed To Express Interest In Simeon Rice: 'What If He Doesn't Like Us?'


ST. LOUIS, MO—Fearing that free-agent defensive end Simeon Rice would not like their team because the facilities "aren't nice enough," the "stupid old stadium is too small," and that their "dumb team uniforms look stupid," the St. Louis Rams found themselves too embarrassed to express interest in the three-time Pro-Bowler, sources close to the team reported Friday. "Just look at Simeon—he's such a great player," said Rams' GM Charley Armey, squirming in his chair as he watched tape of Rice, who is second in sacks among active players and considered quite a catch. "I don't even know what I would say to him. What if he thinks we're lame because all the other teams have more money and a later curfew?" Armey claims the team is feeling shy and vulnerable after losing several key free agents during the offseason, and that they have never felt as attractive to popular players as the other "more glamorous" teams in the NFC West
onion.com

[jaguarr]

Oh...so all black people are cannibals. :dry:

I'll take that as an admission. :hyper:

jag

[bored]

AND he's a general malcontent and ahole.
How dare you get up in Joe Pop's face:cmad:

You wish you had LJ.

[Johnny Blaze]

Replace the "J" with a "T" and you'd have it right. :o

[Immortalfire]

Replace the "J" with a "T" and you'd have it right. :o

LaBrandon Toefield (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6468)?

[Johnny Blaze]

LaBrandon Toefield (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6468)?

Damn right! SEC represent. :up:

[Kaleb]

anyone watching the espn fantasy special on tv now?

[Jerry!]

Fantasy football is maybe the biggest waste of time ever. All it ever manages to accomplish is hordes of people *****ing and whining over why their player isn't scoring 5 TDs a game and they should have picked that guy instead and oh the humanity of it all! I'm begging for a separate thread for fantasy football.

[SurfDUI]

anyone watching the espn fantasy special on tv now?


I sometimes find myself sitting through these kinds of shows STRICTLY for the Football talk, which is plenty. I spend enough time concerning myself w/ the spreads:ninja:

[SurfDUI]

You wish you had LJ.

YOUR Indianapolis COLTS had LJ's ASSS first week of Playoffs.:cwink:

[SurfDUI]

Fantasy football is maybe the biggest waste of time ever. All it ever manages to accomplish is hordes of people *****ing and whining over why their player isn't scoring 5 TDs a game and they should have picked that guy instead and oh the humanity of it all! I'm begging for a separate thread for fantasy football.


:up: Agreed, but it's still Football, and this is the VAN_GLORIUS NFL Thread. I hate hearing about the Rams and Patriots too, but you deal.

[Kaleb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s&NR=1

The great white hype?

[Badger]

YOUR Indianapolis COLTS had LJ's ASSS first week of Playoffs.:cwink:

And if you think that had anything to do with LJ's ability, then you're a idiot and anything you say about the NFL/Football is null and void.:cwink:

[SurfDUI]

with LJ's ability, :cwink:

You got it. Larry J. is a great player, cornerstone, rushing leader and a r e g u l a r season deity.

[Cmill216]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s&NR=1

The great white hype?

:eek:

[Dark Donnie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s&NR=1

The great white hype?

Amazing....Michigan will be stacked.

Timmy Tebow is the great white hOpe!

[Jerry!]

:up: Agreed, but it's still Football, and this is the VAN_GLORIUS NFL Thread. I hate hearing about the Rams and Patriots too, but you deal.

All I ask is that they cry about that bull**** in a separate thread.

[Fran]

I don't talk about the Rams that much. Not NEARLY as much as you idiots talk about the Colts.

[Cmill216]

I don't talk about the Rams that much. Not NEARLY as much as you idiots talk about the Colts.

Shut your face. THIS thread is all about YOURS and MY Indianapolis Colts, THE World Champions of the U.S. of A.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8053/7630dv7.jpg

:trans: :trans: :trans:

[Jerry!]

People talking about their teams don't bother me, I even tolerated the INSANE amount of stories on the Colts mostly. But its the complaining and analyzing and talking about who should I pick, what league are you in, OMGZ the draft iz here, ARGHHH HESTER didn't return any tds , Ohhh **** LT didn't rush for 170 yards and 4 Tds, IM RUINED!!! Thats the crap I'm talking about. Put that **** somewhere else.

[SurfDUI]

I don't talk about the Rams that much. Not NEARLY as much as you idiots talk about the Colts.

Gahd ur eazy:woot: "my beloved RAAMMS, I am Fran and I luv M. Bulger, la la la la"
I wish I had time...or interest to toughen you up.

GO WORLD CHAMPS!!

[SurfDUI]

THE World Champions of the U.S. of A.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8053/7630dv7.jpg



I miss Edge:up:

[Fran]

Gahd ur eazy:woot: "my beloved RAAMMS, I am Fran and I luv M. Bulger, la la la la"
I wish I had time...or interest to toughen you up.

GO WORLD CHAMPS!!

"interest to toughen you up"?

No thanks. :dry:

[Jerry!]

Shut your face. THIS thread is all about YOURS and MY Indianapolis Colts, and THE World Champions of the U.S. of A.



:trans: :trans: :trans:

http://img.osobnosti.cz/over/1/1265.jpg
"Are we learning yet?"

[SurfDUI]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s&NR=1


Damn-One fast white man:up:

[Papa Burgundy]

I miss Edge:up:
wow your very ungrateful

[SurfDUI]

wow your very ungrateful

Na, you misunderstood man...Edge was cool peeps in the city for years when he played here, good dude. Showed up to comedy shows and sht like regular folk, J. Addai is the current and Champion ring bearer and he be the real deal...wholeass.

[Memphis Slim]

Damn-One fast white man:up:
Dang! will he be in the big 10 this year???

[Memphis Slim]

Na, you misunderstood man...Edge was cool peeps in the city for years when he played here, good dude. Showed up to comedy shows and sht like regular folk, J. Addai is the current and Champion ring bearer and he be the real deal...wholeass.


Edge was a freak of nature. He got stronger in the 4th quarter. He never....never ever got nicky nack injuries.....no ham strings, thigh bruises, ankles, shoulders....nothing. Only one major one (his knee). But even after that, he more than came back from that.....he never had a setback on that knee. It was like it never happened.

I miss Edge too.

[Memphis Slim]

Joe still has a lot to prove in my book. I like Addai....but will he be a durable as Edge over time? We'll see.

[Memphis Slim]

:wow: Eli Manning fires barbs at ex-teammate

ALBANY, N.Y. -- Tiki Barber wanted a more intense, fiery Eli Manning. The New York Giants quarterback gave Tiki what he wanted in a loud ripping voice on Tuesday.


http://www.cavalierdaily.com/.Archives/2004/01/27/ns-barber.gif http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:gC7J5qxQlUBx2M:http://www.fitness.gov/images/councilmembers/Official-05.24.06/manning-e.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fitness.gov/images/councilmembers/Official-05.24.06/manning-e.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fitness.gov/bio_manning.htm&h=645&w=432&sz=205&hl=en&start=6&um=1&tbnid=gC7J5qxQlUBx2M:&tbnh=137&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deli%2Bmanning%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%2 6hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26rlz%3D1T4RNWN_enUS210US 211%26sa%3DN)


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Two days after being criticized on national television by Barber for a lack of strong leadership, Manning ripped his former teammate and current NBC football analyst for distracting the team last season with his early retirement announcement and his criticism of coach Tom Coughlin.
"I guess I'm just happy for Tiki that he's making a smooth transition into the TV world," Manning said. "You know, I'll be interested to see if he has anything to say (about a team) besides the Giants, and what his comments will be on that."
Normally reserved and never one to criticize a coach or teammate, Manning seemed to enjoy going after Barber, the Giants' all-time leading rusher who retired after last season at age 31 to pursue a television career.
Speaking during the halftime show of the Sunday Night Football game between the Giants and Baltimore Ravens, Barber had said that Manning's attempt to lead an offensive meeting in the 12th week of the last season was "comical" at times.
Manning didn't find the comment funny.
"It's just one of those deals. I'm not going to lose any sleep about what Tiki has to say," Manning said. "I guess I could have questioned his leadership skills last year with calling out the coach and having articles about him retiring in the middle of the season, and he's lost the heart (to play).
"As a quarterback you're reading that your running back has lost the heart to play the game and it's about the 10th week," Manning said. "I can see that a little bit at times. But I'm not going to get concerned. I'm going to go out there and play ball."
Speaking on his radio show "The Barber Shop" on Sirius NFL Radio, Barber said he was glad that Manning stuck up for himself, even though he felt his comments were tame and honest.
"Ill tell you this," Barber said. "It was not said maliciously."
Giants teammates came to Manning's defense on Tuesday.
Wide receiver Amani Toomer, who played his entire career with Barber, was stunned.
"I thought Tiki and Eli were pretty good friends," Toomer said. "It's kind of strange to have him say something like that and to make a point of it like that. Maybe he had somebody else in his ear kind of coaxing him into saying stuff, because I don't believe he really believes that. I don't know why he'd say something like that."
Manning's father, Archie, said at a charity bowling event in Indianapolis for his other son, Super Bowl MVP Peyton, that he had not counseled the Giants quarterback on how to handle the situation.
"He talked to me a while ago and said Tiki got after him a little bit the other night, and he said it's not a big deal," Archie Manning said. "He told me a whole lot of people in the Giants organization were proud of what he said.
"Eli's not a controversial guy and he's not going to be. I feel like if Eli did something like that, it would come from his heart."
Center Shaun O'Hara said that Manning is progressing as a leader, especially for a fourth-year player.
"I don't have any problems with Eli's leadership and the way he does it," O'Hara said. "He's doing it his way. I think players appreciate that. It's a shame everybody wants Eli to be somebody they think he should be instead of just letting him be himself."
O'Hara noted that Manning might be under the microscope more than most young quarterbacks because he is the brother of Peyton Manning.
"For me, you can be Johnny Rah-Rah, but if you're not doing your job, if you're not pulling your weight, it doesn't matter what you say," O'Hara said. "Being loud, that doesn't make you a great leader."
Tackle David Diehl said Manning showed his leadership Sunday night, getting the offense lined up right when the Ravens threw a couple of new looks at them on defense.
Giants new quarterback coach Chris Palmer added that Manning does everything a coach wants.
"Everybody leads in a different way," Palmer said. "If you buy any business books, there are 101 ways to lead. He'll lead in his own particular fashion."
While Barber praised Manning at times for his play, he also questioned whether he could be a leader of men and make plays when the chips were down.
"His personality hasn't been so that he can step up, make a strong statement and have people believe that it's coming from his heart," Barber said on the show.
Barber then told the story about Manning being uncomfortable talking to the offense in Week 12.
"He didn't feel like his voice was going to be strong enough and it showed," Barber said. "Sometimes it was almost comical the way that he would say things."
While Barber rushed for 1,662 yards last season, the second highest single-season total in Giants history, he also was a distraction in an 8-8 season that saw the Giants make the playoffs.
He went on record in early October saying that the 2006 season would probably be his last. He also created problems for Coughlin when he criticized him for pulling away from the running game too soon in a loss to Jacksonville in November.
It was the second time he went after his head coach.
After a playoff loss to Carolina in 2005, Barber said Coughlin was outcoached by Panther coach John Fox, a former Giants assistant.
While Coughlin refused to get involved in the controversy, he was happy Manning defended himself.
"Well, he thought about what he was going to do, and he decided he would say exactly what he felt," Coughlin said. "More power to him."

[Memphis Slim]

I think there was some truth to what Barber said. But I don't think he should have said it in public.

And Barber's retirement announcement was not a distraction for the team faltering....that's a lame excuse. Bettis talked about retirement in Pittsburgh....they go on to win the Super Bowl. And Barber rushed for over 1600 yards?? Tell me he didn't have his heart in it. He gave his all.

Eli's got some work to do. Maybe that stinging critique is what he needed to wake him up.

[Showtime]

I don't talk about the Rams that much. Not NEARLY as much as you idiots talk about the Colts.

The Colts? The've only won one championship this decade.

http://www.patsfanwesty.com/rings.jpg

[Memphis Slim]

The Colts? The've only won one championship this decade.

http://www.patsfanwesty.com/rings.jpg

Enjoy those memories......

[Memphis Slim]

http://i18.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/b0/d0/eacf_2.JPG (http://cgi.ebay.com/Indianapolis-Colts-Super-Bowl-Championship-Ring_W0QQitemZ270156934014QQihZ017QQcategoryZ11829 5QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting)http://i2.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/b0/d0/ea32_2.JPG (http://cgi.ebay.com/Indianapolis-Colts-Super-Bowl-Championship-Ring_W0QQitemZ270156934014QQihZ017QQcategoryZ11829 5QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting)

We'll enjoy this one.'

[dr venture]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s&NR=1

The great white hype?

Damn he's fast and that hurdle over the one guy was sick

[Papa Burgundy]

:wow: Eli Manning fires barbs at ex-teammate

ALBANY, N.Y. -- Tiki Barber wanted a more intense, fiery Eli Manning. The New York Giants quarterback gave Tiki what he wanted in a loud ripping voice on Tuesday.


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Two days after being criticized on national television by Barber for a lack of strong leadership, Manning ripped his former teammate and current NBC football analyst for distracting the team last season with his early retirement announcement and his criticism of coach Tom Coughlin.
"I guess I'm just happy for Tiki that he's making a smooth transition into the TV world," Manning said. "You know, I'll be interested to see if he has anything to say (about a team) besides the Giants, and what his comments will be on that."
Normally reserved and never one to criticize a coach or teammate, Manning seemed to enjoy going after Barber, the Giants' all-time leading rusher who retired after last season at age 31 to pursue a television career.
Speaking during the halftime show of the Sunday Night Football game between the Giants and Baltimore Ravens, Barber had said that Manning's attempt to lead an offensive meeting in the 12th week of the last season was "comical" at times.
Manning didn't find the comment funny.
"It's just one of those deals. I'm not going to lose any sleep about what Tiki has to say," Manning said. "I guess I could have questioned his leadership skills last year with calling out the coach and having articles about him retiring in the middle of the season, and he's lost the heart (to play).
"As a quarterback you're reading that your running back has lost the heart to play the game and it's about the 10th week," Manning said. "I can see that a little bit at times. But I'm not going to get concerned. I'm going to go out there and play ball."
Speaking on his radio show "The Barber Shop" on Sirius NFL Radio, Barber said he was glad that Manning stuck up for himself, even though he felt his comments were tame and honest.
"Ill tell you this," Barber said. "It was not said maliciously."
Giants teammates came to Manning's defense on Tuesday.
Wide receiver Amani Toomer, who played his entire career with Barber, was stunned.
"I thought Tiki and Eli were pretty good friends," Toomer said. "It's kind of strange to have him say something like that and to make a point of it like that. Maybe he had somebody else in his ear kind of coaxing him into saying stuff, because I don't believe he really believes that. I don't know why he'd say something like that."
Manning's father, Archie, said at a charity bowling event in Indianapolis for his other son, Super Bowl MVP Peyton, that he had not counseled the Giants quarterback on how to handle the situation.
"He talked to me a while ago and said Tiki got after him a little bit the other night, and he said it's not a big deal," Archie Manning said. "He told me a whole lot of people in the Giants organization were proud of what he said.
"Eli's not a controversial guy and he's not going to be. I feel like if Eli did something like that, it would come from his heart."
Center Shaun O'Hara said that Manning is progressing as a leader, especially for a fourth-year player.
"I don't have any problems with Eli's leadership and the way he does it," O'Hara said. "He's doing it his way. I think players appreciate that. It's a shame everybody wants Eli to be somebody they think he should be instead of just letting him be himself."
O'Hara noted that Manning might be under the microscope more than most young quarterbacks because he is the brother of Peyton Manning.
"For me, you can be Johnny Rah-Rah, but if you're not doing your job, if you're not pulling your weight, it doesn't matter what you say," O'Hara said. "Being loud, that doesn't make you a great leader."
Tackle David Diehl said Manning showed his leadership Sunday night, getting the offense lined up right when the Ravens threw a couple of new looks at them on defense.
Giants new quarterback coach Chris Palmer added that Manning does everything a coach wants.
"Everybody leads in a different way," Palmer said. "If you buy any business books, there are 101 ways to lead. He'll lead in his own particular fashion."
While Barber praised Manning at times for his play, he also questioned whether he could be a leader of men and make plays when the chips were down.
"His personality hasn't been so that he can step up, make a strong statement and have people believe that it's coming from his heart," Barber said on the show.
Barber then told the story about Manning being uncomfortable talking to the offense in Week 12.
"He didn't feel like his voice was going to be strong enough and it showed," Barber said. "Sometimes it was almost comical the way that he would say things."
While Barber rushed for 1,662 yards last season, the second highest single-season total in Giants history, he also was a distraction in an 8-8 season that saw the Giants make the playoffs.
He went on record in early October saying that the 2006 season would probably be his last. He also created problems for Coughlin when he criticized him for pulling away from the running game too soon in a loss to Jacksonville in November.
It was the second time he went after his head coach.
After a playoff loss to Carolina in 2005, Barber said Coughlin was outcoached by Panther coach John Fox, a former Giants assistant.
While Coughlin refused to get involved in the controversy, he was happy Manning defended himself.
"Well, he thought about what he was going to do, and he decided he would say exactly what he felt," Coughlin said. "More power to him."

damn i wouldve posted that yesterday but i thogut it already had been hmmm oh well

I think there was some truth to what Barber said. But I don't think he should have said it in public.

And Barber's retirement announcement was not a distraction for the team faltering....that's a lame excuse. Bettis talked about retirement in Pittsburgh....they go on to win the Super Bowl. And Barber rushed for over 1600 yards?? Tell me he didn't have his heart in it. He gave his all.

Eli's got some work to do. Maybe that stinging critique is what he needed to wake him up.

no barber shouldnt have annouced that in the middle of the season. either beggining or end. and he did say mid season last year that he lost his passion for the game, come on with all the problems the giants were having, he shouldnt have said something like that. but i will say he was a amazing player. funny he mightve been able to get 2000 rushing yards last year, but for some reason the giants stopped giving him the ball for about 4 games. thats when they started there huge losing strek, going from 6-2 to 8-8, then they started giving him the ball again and guess what? they started winning again. tom coughlin, suck my d***

[Kaleb]

Damn he's fast and that hurdle over the one guy was sick

If he tries that crap at uni against the safeties he is in for a world of hurt

[rdh007]

I think there was some truth to what Barber said. But I don't think he should have said it in public.

And Barber's retirement announcement was not a distraction for the team faltering....that's a lame excuse. Bettis talked about retirement in Pittsburgh....they go on to win the Super Bowl. And Barber rushed for over 1600 yards?? Tell me he didn't have his heart in it. He gave his all.

Eli's got some work to do. Maybe that stinging critique is what he needed to wake him up.
I thought Manning was citing that as part of Tiki's lack of leadership and not an excuse? I just don't buy that Tiki was a leader on that team. A good running back who did his job well? Yes. A leader? No.

Of course, I'm a bit biased since I think Barber is a tool.

[SurfDUI]

Joe still has a lot to prove in my book. I like Addai....but will he be a durable as Edge over time? We'll see.

I like the two back potential of Dee Dee Dorsey and Addai better than 'Fat' Dom Rhodes. It seemed if when Edge was here or last season w/ Addai would gain yardage, Dom would set us back 2 or 3 yards.

You right, he's second year w/ a ring-I think he'll show us somethin special this year.

Whatcho think bout the new INDIANAPOLIS COLTS D Slim!!! Stronger corners, more youth and agile backs. We get a big boi on the line and we gone see a show!!

[SurfDUI]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:gC7J5qxQlUBx2M:http://www.fitness.gov/images/councilmembers/Official-05.24.06/manning-e.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fitness.gov/images/councilmembers/Official-05.24.06/manning-e.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fitness.gov/bio_manning.htm&h=645&w=432&sz=205&hl=en&start=6&um=1&tbnid=gC7J5qxQlUBx2M:&tbnh=137&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deli%2Bmanning%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%2 6hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26rlz%3D1T4RNWN_enUS210US 211%26sa%3DN)



Whas up w/ the jr. achievment / future GOP picture?? Dude plays football!

[SurfDUI]

If he tries that crap at uni against the safeties he is in for a world of hurt

He definitly will slow down when he meets Ed Reed:cmad:

[Papa Burgundy]

Whas up w/ the jr. achievment / future GOP picture?? Dude plays football!
yea i was wonderin about that to lol

[Memphis Slim]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis Slim http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=12552019#post12552019)

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SurfDUI wrote: Whas up w/ the jr. achievment / future GOP picture?? Dude plays football!

LOL!!! :woot:

[Memphis Slim]

damn i wouldve posted that yesterday but i thogut it already had been hmmm oh well



no barber shouldnt have annouced that in the middle of the season. either beggining or end. and he did say mid season last year that he lost his passion for the game, come on with all the problems the giants were having, he shouldnt have said something like that.

Maybe it wasn't the best time to say it. But if I'm a player, I play!! Regardless of what my teammate says! It's a big ol' excuse for having a losing season! Tiki didn't get sacked. Tiki didn't throws all those interceptions. Tiki didn't fumble the snaps from center. Tiki ran for over 1600 yards ...MOSTLY ON HIS OWN IN THE OPEN FIELD.



but i will say he was a amazing player. funny he mightve been able to get 2000 rushing yards last year, but for some reason the giants stopped giving him the ball for about 4 games. thats when they started there huge losing strek, going from 6-2 to 8-8, then they started giving him the ball again and guess what? they started winning again. tom coughlin, suck my d***

Maybe ....maybe not. Tiki knew when to get out. He did it on his terms. Eli doesn't see his own problems. But hopefully he'll wake up after this.

[Kaleb]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2986382

Story from the NAACP "As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his career in football," said R.L. White, president of the NAACP's Atlanta chapter

[Immortalfire]

:dry:

[Dark Donnie]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2986382

Story from the NAACP "As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his career in football," said R.L. White, president of the NAACP's Atlanta chapter

I hope he gets banned for life.:yay:

[Kaleb]

This coming from the same group that is condemming Don imus to death and loss of career for saying "nappy-headed hos".

Yeah because Nappy headed ho's is soooo much worse then torturnintg dogs and funding an illegal gambling ring:whatever:

[jaguarr]

This coming from the same group that is condemming Don imus to death and loss of career for saying "nappy-headed hos".

Yeah because Nappy headed ho's is soooo much worse then torturnintg dogs and funding an illegal gambling ring:whatever:


Yeah, their attentions seem fairly misguided, don't they?

And Tiki Barber is an ass.

jag

[terry78]

Well, to be honest, black people don't give two ****s about their pets or animals. Well, a lot of us don't, anyway. They're just accessories. Now if it's covered in some Open Pit, then we're all about the animals.

[Memphis Slim]

Yeah, their attentions seem fairly misguided, don't they?

And Tiki Barber is an ass.

jag


How so?

[Memphis Slim]

Well, to be honest, black people don't give two ****s about their pets or animals. Well, a lot of us don't, anyway. They're just accessories. Now if it's covered in some Open Pit, then we're all about the animals.


I'm a "Bull's Eye" man myself. :woot:

[jaguarr]

How so?

Because he's always had a penchant for making everything about himself even when it definitely is not. He also has a very nasty habit of saying some not so nice things about his teammates and coaches in the press instead of addressing his issues with them behind closed doors like a professional and stand-up guy. That makes him an ass in my book.

jag

[Memphis Slim]

Because he's always had a penchant for making everything about himself even when it definitely is not. He also has a very nasty habit of saying some not so nice things about his teammates and coaches in the press instead of addressing his issues with them behind closed doors like a professional and stand-up guy. That makes him an ass in my book.

jag

ok.

[Cracker Jack]

Yeah, their attentions seem fairly misguided, don't they?

And Tiki Barber is an ass.

jag


We don't agree on a lot of thing jag but on this one I'd have to say I agree 100% Tiki should keep his mouth shut. And where's Jessy? :cwink: :woot:

[ROOR]

I don't talk about the Rams that much. Not NEARLY as much as you idiots talk about the Colts.

That's because secretly deep down you know the 49ers are going to win the division. :woot: The Rams have a good shot at the wild card though.

[Immortalfire]

I don't talk about the Rams that much. Not NEARLY as much as you idiots talk about the Colts.

No one talks about their team, regardless of the sport as much as Slim and Surf talk about the Colts.

[Johnny Blaze]

No one talks about their team, regardless of the sport as much as Slim and Surf talk about the Colts.
I've come to notice that as well. :dry:

Maybe it wasn't the best time to say it. But if I'm a player, I play!! Regardless of what my teammate says! It's a big ol' excuse for having a losing season! Tiki didn't get sacked. Tiki didn't throws all those interceptions. Tiki didn't fumble the snaps from center. Tiki ran for over 1600 yards ...MOSTLY ON HIS OWN IN THE OPEN FIELD. To say he got those yard mostly on his own is stupid. Tiki had some HUGE help getting every single one of the rushing yards. Litterally. :o

[Memphis Slim]

Tiki is great. Smart guy.

[SurfDUI]

That's because secretly deep down you know the 49ers are going to win the division.

They may, or at least give it a damn good race.

[SurfDUI]

No one talks about their team, regardless of the sport as much as Slim and Surf talk about the Colts.


You all well know that Your Indianapolis COLTS are Kings, Zzar and Communist ruler's of planet American Football. As a lowly citizen I must lawd my ruling party whenever I get the chance. Through the years of tumolt -Edge not getting it in the endzone on 4th down.:csad: Through Captain Comebacks' heroic exploit in '95:csad: :csad: :csad: The touchdown saving toe tackle of one Ben Rothelesburger:cmad: . and the ENDLESS onslaught of the Evil kingdom know as the Patriots.:trans:

I am a long suffering Indianapolis COLTS fanatic. I am due. I spout my venom over several Internet NFL threads just like this one all over. Just like the fan who's near greatness in some other wack assed AFC city...whoever that is. Bragging rights are an obligation.:o

They are the current champs. And they will beat that ass.

[bored]

YOUR Indianapolis COLTS had LJ's ASSS first week of Playoffs.:cwink:

And if Herm takes his head from his ass and lets the O balance out again, LJ will be handing it right back this season. Remember, last time Indi knocked KC out of the playoffs, we came back next season and beat them. YOUR Colts had better be ready. Bob Sanders can't save you forever.

[SurfDUI]

Well, to be honest, black people don't give two ****s about their pets or animals. Well, a lot of us don't, anyway. They're just accessories. Now if it's covered in some Open Pit, then we're all about the animals.

I like the one w/ the pig wearing an apron and chef hat. Holding hands w/ the butcher...kind of disturnbing now that you brought it up.:csad:

[SurfDUI]

And if Herm takes his head from his ass and lets the O balance out again, LJ will be handing it right back this season. Remember, last time Indi knocked KC out of the playoffs, we came back next season and beat them. YOUR Colts had better be ready. Bob Sanders can't save you forever.


I love homerism. Shout out your team loud and proud...unless your a Raider fan, if so please no weapons in the thread.

IMO Everybody pulls for Kansas City Chiefs. They have some serious die-hard fans and we all shed a tear or 20 for D. Vermeil. Having said that...


Postseason log
2006

AFC Wildcard Game: lost 8 - 23 at Indianapolis Colts (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt2006.htm)

2003

AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 31 - 38 vs. Indianapolis Colts (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt2003.htm)

1997

AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 10 - 14 vs. Denver Broncos (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den1997.htm)

1995

AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 7 - 10 vs. Indianapolis Colts (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt1995.htm)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kanindex.htm#all (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kanindex.htm#all)

And the Broncos have nothing to grin about since Elway either.

[Fran]

I thought it was great the Eli struck back against Tiki :up:

[Excel]

I thought it was great the Eli struck back against Tiki :up:

ditto; tiki seems likew a ***** :o :up:

[Cmill216]

YOUR Indianapolis Colts just got beat by the Poo Orleans Saints in Madden 2008. The Saints were probably jacked up on e-steroids or something. :whatever:

But it doesn't matter, YOUR Indianapolis Colts (the World Champions of the planet Earth) are still the best there ever were. :trans: :trans: :trans:

[SurfDUI]

YOUR Indianapolis Colts just got beat by the Poo Orleans Saints in Madden 2008. The Saints were probably jacked up on e-steroids or something. :whatever:


I'm so backward-I don't even use the COLTS when I play Madden I don't want to jinx the team:csad: , Last year my team was C. PO and the Redskins, this year It may be San Fran or Super Chargers.

high on FEMA fumes :up:

[bored]

I love homerism. Shout out your team loud and proud...unless your a Raider fan, if so please no weapons in the thread.

IMO Everybody pulls for Kansas City Chiefs. They have some serious die-hard fans and we all shed a tear or 20 for D. Vermeil. Having said that...


Postseason log
2006

AFC Wildcard Game: lost 8 - 23 at Indianapolis Colts (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt2006.htm)

2003

AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 31 - 38 vs. Indianapolis Colts (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt2003.htm)

1997

AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 10 - 14 vs. Denver Broncos (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den1997.htm)

1995

AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 7 - 10 vs. Indianapolis Colts (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt1995.htm)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kanindex.htm#all (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kanindex.htm#all)

And the Broncos have nothing to grin about since Elway either.


I know all about the post-season history. It's just fuel for the fire. And if you honestly think everyone pulls for my Chiefs, you didn't see last season's NFL thread. Some people just wouldn't cut 'em a break. I remember somebody claiming the 'Niners were going to beat them in Week 4, and we ended up winning 41-0.

[NewYorkSpider]

Jerome_Bettis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2986809) says he faked an injury to avoid getting cut.

[chaseter]

I go for the Pat's this year...so far I have been right every year for the past 4. And no I don't have one team.

[Memphis Slim]

I thought it was great the Eli struck back against Tiki :up:


now maybe he'll stop sleepwalking on the field.

[jaguarr]

Things just keep getting worse for Vick (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/22/AR2007082202384.html).

jag

[SurfDUI]

Things just keep getting worse for Vick (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/22/AR2007082202384.html).

jag


The state HAD there chance, they fkd it up and the feds were already on these fools. They just want to pile on! Worry about dropin the soap #7, not the Commenwelth:whatever:

[Ender]

Things just keep getting worse for Vick (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/22/AR2007082202384.html).

jag

Good. :woot:

[Fran]

Dude, once Vick is in prison, there's a good chance he's a dead man.

[jaguarr]

The state HAD there chance, they fkd it up and the feds were already on these fools. They just want to pile on! Worry about dropin the soap #7, not the Commenwelth:whatever:

Virginia's still well within their rights to prosecute, though. It's not double jeopardy and the statute of limitations certainly hasn't expired. I'd say if the Fed's don't stick it to Vick good and proper then the state of Virginia is going to. Hell, maybe bot the Fed's and the State will have a glorified gang-bang on him. I don't particularly care as long as he gets more than just a little slap as so often happens in these celebrity cases. He committed his crimes, so now he gets to pay his debt to society.

jag

[SurfDUI]

Dude, once Vick is in prison, there's a good chance he's a dead man.


You don't personally know anyone in the D.O.C do you?
He might not be in genpop, but IMO he will not be so secluded.

[Fran]

Well my uncle is in a federal prison for laundering money from the Vans Corporation. He was a CEO for a while.

[Memphis Slim]

Dude, once Vick is in prison, there's a good chance he's a dead man.


why do you say that?

[SurfDUI]

there's a good chance he's a dead man.


Well I've put money on many a books-Rats, child predators and young stupid boys catch it the worst. They do prosecute more Dog fighters in the south, so he'll def. have some fed time company, dope boys too.
He'll be cool, he'll lose his freedom, but he won't be a shoulder watcher, no more than anybody else.

[Fran]

A lot of guys in prison had dogs they loved, either as a kid or as an adult. When they see Michael Vick, they might see a dude who took their dogs and used them as a punching bag for his fighters. That makes a lot of people disgusted, and sad.

EDIT: Holy **** Jerry, I don't care what you think.

[Jerry!]

Dude, once Vick is in prison, there's a good chance he's a dead man.

As long as he doesn't **** up, he should be relatively safe. Its not like he killed a kid or is a child molester. If so, then he is a dead man if anyone had the chance.

EDIT; Holy **** farmer, come on. Get real, no one is really going to be in an outrage about him killing dogs. There are people there who have killed OTHER PEOPLE. The only real taboos in prison is if you screwed around with kids or if you are a rat. Thats a death sentence even if you don't get the death penalty. But killing dogs, no way. They will probably laugh at him more than anything else. As long as he doesn't **** around with other gangs' turf and keeps to his own race, he will make it through.

[Memphis Slim]

A lot of guys in prison had dogs they loved, either as a kid or as an adult. When they see Michael Vick, they might see a dude who took their dogs and used them as a punching bag for his fighters. That makes a lot of people disgusted, and sad.


Then I guess you don't quite get this. The cats locked up in the pen were down with the the Dog fighting, in all likelihood. Especially the brotha's. In a sad way, Vick is probably a hero for doing this.

[Jerry!]

Jerome_Bettis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2986809) says he faked an injury to avoid getting cut.


This kinda got overlooked. I hope he doesn't get too much flak over this, I understand why he did that and a lot of NFL players have done the same thing to keep their jobs. As long as people can understand that it didn't have anything to do with wanting to miss games and get paid for it then Bettis shouldn't be attacked too bad. But there will always be those people who will...

[Memphis Slim]

This kinda got overlooked. I hope he doesn't get too much flak over this, I understand why he did that and a lot of NFL players have done the same thing to keep their jobs. As long as people can understand that it didn't have anything to do with wanting to miss games and get paid for it then Bettis shouldn't be attacked too bad. But there will always be those people who will...


I don't think it'll bother him.

[Immortalfire]

Tom Brady is a father http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070823/ap_en_ce/people_brady_moynahan


:dry:

[kane9321]

way to go mr.brady and bridgette

[Cracker Jack]

Grossman vows to extinguish problem with exchang

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=3726

If he doesn't he'll be Exchanging #1 for #2

[SurfDUI]

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/2997718







http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/e0/Nfloncbs.jpg

http://www.thesportshernia.com/football/images/collapse_mid.jpg

Ahhh so sooon.

[Immortalfire]

Vick jerseys have gone to the dogs http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ArzxRgyETg88HFAU2y794jvsYNAF?slug=ap-vickjerseys&prov=ap&type=lgns


Ironic. :woot:

[Jerry!]

I don't think it'll bother him.

Yeah I don't either, but I just hope people don't make a big deal out of it, because it will be pretty dumb if they do.

[Dark Donnie]

Look at this

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2989037

Make up your mind.....

[Memphis Slim]

THIS JUST IN:














DREW BREES IS VERY VERY GOOD!!!
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/players/01/09/nfl.workout0115/p1_brees.jpghttp://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2006/11/breespolitical.jpg

[Memphis Slim]

The Colts / Saints game is gonna be scary.....

[jaguarr]

Look at this

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2989037

Make up your mind.....

God....$130 Million (and probably more with endorsements) flushed down the toilet because he wanted to see dogs kill each other. What...a...f**king....moron. :down

jag

[Dark Donnie]

God....$130 Million (and probably more with endorsements) flushed down the toilet because he wanted to see dogs kill each other. What...a...f**king....moron. :down

jag

That makes it even more sick IMO.....you have all that money and you still need to gamble on dogs tearing each other apart.


On another note....does anyone watch Hard Knocks??? The KC training camp show?

[KALEL114]

Yeah, I like it alot. But, I think there is alot of "performing for the cameras" going on.

[Soundwave]

Look at this

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2989037

Make up your mind.....

See this is a problem that I have with the media coverage of this. The headline says: "Vick will NOT ADMIT to killing dogs or gambling on dog fights." It's basically saying that yes we think he's guilty of this but he won't come clean with it. Why not just say Vick will plead guilty to charge of interstate commerce for the purposes of dogfighting but will not plead gulity to the other charges of gambling and animal cruelty? ESPN is trying to put their own spin on this story once again to influence public perception and that is flat out wrong. They should be unbiased when reporting on this story.

I'm not a Mike Vick defender but let's let this thing play out in court and see what happens. We still do not have ALL of the facts yet.

[Johnny Blaze]

Looks like my Bucs are interested in signing Trotter. They had him in for a work out yesterday.
But, what made it seem more than just another veteran workout that doesn't mean much was the fact that Gruden, Allen, and Kiffin were all present for the workout. Usually when a team brings a veteran in like this for a brief workout they have a few assistant and positional coaches present. The presence of the big three for Trotter's workout with the team may mean the Bucs are fairly interested in signing him.

Personally...I'm 50/50 on this. Trotter is old (30 and a 10 year vet), but he's still one of the best run stuffing LBs in the league. And the run is where the Bucs D got killed at last season. Still, I think bringing him in would hurt the progress of Rudd, who has looked good in camp and the preseason.
Another knock against Trotter is that he would not really fit the Bucs cover 2 scheme where the MLB is asked to cover deep down the field.
IDK...if we could sign him to a two or three year deal and put him in a rotation with Rudd it could work. Not to mention Trotter would bring in some help in the form of leadership to the Bucs, both on and off the field.

Also, the Bucs are looking into KR/WR Eddie Drummond, recently released from the Lions. Tampa Bay's returners have looked pretty ****ty so far and a specialist like Drummond would do nothing but help the unit.

[Overman27pj]

"Rex is our Quarterback..."

UGH!!!

[Dark Donnie]

Looks like my Bucs are interested in signing Trotter. They had him in for a work out yesterday.
But, what made it seem more than just another veteran workout that doesn't mean much was the fact that Gruden, Allen, and Kiffin were all present for the workout. Usually when a team brings a veteran in like this for a brief workout they have a few assistant and positional coaches present. The presence of the big three for Trotter's workout with the team may mean the Bucs are fairly interested in signing him.

Personally...I'm 50/50 on this. Trotter is old (30 and a 10 year vet), but he's still one of the best run stuffing LBs in the league. And the run is where the Bucs D got killed at last season. Still, I think bringing him in would hurt the progress of Rudd, who has looked good in camp and the preseason.
Another knock against Trotter is that he would not really fit the Bucs cover 2 scheme where the MLB is asked to cover deep down the field.
IDK...if we could sign him to a two or three year deal and put him in a rotation with Rudd it could work. Not to mention Trotter would bring in some help in the form of leadership to the Bucs, both on and off the field.

Also, the Bucs are looking into KR/WR Eddie Drummond, recently released from the Lions. Tampa Bay's returners have looked pretty ****ty so far and a specialist like Drummond would do nothing but help the unit.

While I loved him here....he is a eally old 30. He's slow, as shown in the Playoffs last year and he can't cover the TE anymore. he realyl shoudl just hang them up..he had a great career.

[Cracker Jack]

"Rex is our Quarterback..."

UGH!!!


Rex will be ok. Hey he's my fantsay QB :oldrazz: :woot: :huh:

[Kaleb]

Looks like my Bucs are interested in signing Trotter. They had him in for a work out yesterday.
But, what made it seem more than just another veteran workout that doesn't mean much was the fact that Gruden, Allen, and Kiffin were all present for the workout. Usually when a team brings a veteran in like this for a brief workout they have a few assistant and positional coaches present. The presence of the big three for Trotter's workout with the team may mean the Bucs are fairly interested in signing him.

Personally...I'm 50/50 on this. Trotter is old (30 and a 10 year vet), but he's still one of the best run stuffing LBs in the league. And the run is where the Bucs D got killed at last season. Still, I think bringing him in would hurt the progress of Rudd, who has looked good in camp and the preseason.
Another knock against Trotter is that he would not really fit the Bucs cover 2 scheme where the MLB is asked to cover deep down the field.
IDK...if we could sign him to a two or three year deal and put him in a rotation with Rudd it could work. Not to mention Trotter would bring in some help in the form of leadership to the Bucs, both on and off the field.

Also, the Bucs are looking into KR/WR Eddie Drummond, recently released from the Lions. Tampa Bay's returners have looked pretty ****ty so far and a specialist like Drummond would do nothing but help the unit. I dont get this? didnt the bucs say they wanted to go younger on defense?

[Spider-Fan]

When will my Brownies wise up, realize we will suck this year, and put Brady in as our week 1 starter. Do they really think we have a playoff shot? I think we will be 6-10 at the most optimistic. I see a 4-12 or 5-11 year for us personally.

[Kaleb]

When will my Brownies wise up, realize we will suck this year, and put Brady in as our week 1 starter. Do they really think we have a playoff shot? I think we will be 6-10 at the most optimistic. I see a 4-12 or 5-11 year for us personally.
I think they will go 5-11 and Brady will start against the Dophins (week 6 I think)

[Kaleb]

Michael Vick formally filed a plea deal in federal court Friday, agreeing that his dog-fighting enterprise included gambling and the killing of dogs.

Vick concedes to funding Bad Newz Kennelz and that the proceeds went to his co-defendants, but claims he didn't reap monetary benefit. He does admit he knew gambling was taking place and that dogs "died as a result of the collective efforts of (Purnell) Peace, (Quanis) Phillips, and (Vick himself)." ESPN.com did a terrible job getting this story so wrong over the last 24 hours

[Spider-Fan]

I think they will go 5-11 and Brady will start against the Dophins (week 6 I think)

We shouldn't wait that long. It is not like we have a good QB to keep things going for a few weeks. Frye sucks. Anderson sucks. Dorsey sucks.

Just give it to the rook already. Worked for Peyton afterall.

[Kaleb]

VICK ADMITS EVERYTHING

We've reviewed in detail the plea agreement signed by Michael Vick on Thursday, along with the statement of facts.

Notwithstanding the anonymous source who told the anonymous reporter at ESPN that Vick would not admit to killing dogs or to gambling, Vick admits to everything.

In paragraph 1, Vick pleads guilty to conspiracy to establish, maintain, etc. an interstate gambling enterprise and conspiracy to engage in interstate dog fighting.

In paragraph 2, Vick admits that the Surry County property to which he initially said he never goes was the main staging area for housing and training pit bulls for fighting.

In paragraph 3, Vick admits to being involved in dog fights at the Surry County property, and to participating in dog fights in other states.

In paragraph 4, Vick admits that the enterprise involved gambling activities in violation of Virginia law. Vick denies that he placed side bets on any fights, or that he received process from the purses. (However, he admits that he was the primary source of funds for the operation. If the winnings went only to his co-defendants, then that's less money Vick had to give them to get them to continue to tend to the operation while he was "at work" for the Atlanta Falcons.)

In paragraph 9, Vick admits that he began acquiring dogs for the operation in "2001-2002," and that the "Bad Newz Kennels" were established in 2002.

In paragraph 12, Vick admits that he knew the other defendants "killed a number of dogs" that did not perform well in testing sessions in 2002. Vick denies killing any dogs at that time.

In paragraph 32, Vick admits that in April 2007 -- the same month in which he say face-to-face with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and denied that dog fighting was occurring on his land -- he agreed with Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips to kill six-to-eight dogs that did not perform well in testing sessions. Here's the key passage:

"[A]ll of those dogs were killed by various methods, including hanging and drowning. VICK agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of PEACE, PHILLIPS, and VICK."

Case closed. He admits to gambling, and he admits to killing dogs.

Someone at ESPN has some serious explaining to do.

[Kaleb]

We shouldn't wait that long. It is not like we have a good QB to keep things going for a few weeks. Frye sucks. Anderson sucks. Dorsey sucks.

Just give it to the rook already. Worked for Peyton afterall.The worst thing you can do is put a rookie in straight away, it would shatter his confidence (esp going up agaisnt the ravends D and steelers D twice) and I really hope you didnt just compare Brady to Peyton.

[KALEL114]

Where is that from?

[Spider-Fan]

The worst thing you can do is put a rookie in straight away, it would shatter his confidence (esp going up agaisnt the ravends D and steelers D twice) and I really hope you didnt just compare Brady to Peyton.

Not saying he will be quite that good (not at all). I am just saying it worked out in the end for Peyton. Plus, our o-line doesn't suck anymore like it did when we had Couch.

Facing tough opponents will only help him. Putting him out against the cup cake defenses only won't do him any good. He needs to see what it is like playing the Ravens and Steelers (especially since we play them twice a year each).

[Kaleb]

Where is that from?
profootballtalk.com

[KALEL114]

Hey I hope Brady gets the start. That means we (Dallas) get a higher pick in the draft next year.

[KALEL114]

profootballtalk.com
Thanks.

[Spider-Fan]

Hey I hope Brady gets the start. That means we (Dallas) get a higher pick in the draft next year.

You'll get the same # pick in either case...cause Frye and Anderson can't do any better than a rookie QB.

[KALEL114]

You'll get the same # pick in either case...cause Frye and Anderson can't do any better than a rookie QB.
True. You guys do have the makeing of good team in the next couple years though.