2007 NFL Thread

[Excel]

Yeah uh that explanation the NFL gave made no sense. Brady complained about on the field; thats where he heard it. It ha snothing to do with what cbs put out on tv.

But WHATEVER, we won and its over and will play them in Foxboro so who cares?

[Matt]

If the Colts couldn't beat the Patriots, the Steelers can't.

Steelers > Colts.

[Cmill216]

Steelers > Colts.

How so?

[Matt]

Yeah uh that explanation the NFL gave made no sense. Brady complained about on the field; thats where he heard it. It ha snothing to do with what cbs put out on tv.

But WHATEVER, we won and its over and will play them in Foxboro so who cares?

Well, lord knows the NFL can't send their poster boys up the river.

But yeah, the Colts have been cheating too. The Pats aren't the first team to make this accusation. Unfortunately it is impossible to prove. And even if it were, I'm sure Celldog would come up with some lame excuse as to how its not cheating.

[Matt]

How so?

Simple. Last time they played, the Steelers won. Following Celldog's logic (The Colts won the super bowl so they are the best until someone proves they are not the best team), until the Colts prove they are the better team by beating the Steelers, the Steelers are better :cwink:

[Excel]

Had the Patriots lost I feel it would be a much bigger deal.

While I like the Steelers, their offense isnt good enough to hang with the Colts.

[Matt]

Had the Patriots lost I feel it would be a much bigger deal.

While I like the Steelers, their offense isnt good enough to hang with the Colts.

I disagree. Last year, yes. But Ben has really stepped up his play this year. Willie Parker is on fire. And last year Ward was their only real reciever. This year Ben has been spreading the ball around a lot more, involving Miller, Holmes, and Washington more than ever. Factor that in with Holmes coming into his own as a reciever and Ben is suddenly a much more dangerous QB. All of a sudden, simply double teaming Hines won't shut down the Steelers' passing game.

Plus I just don't think Manning can handle the kind of pressure the Steelers' defense puts on a quarterback (and lets face it, it is entirely unique. No team in the league runs a defense like Dick LeBeau's).

[Darthphere]

Well, lord knows the NFL can't send their poster boys up the river.

But yeah, the Colts have been cheating too. The Pats aren't the first team to make this accusation. Unfortunately it is impossible to prove. And even if it were, I'm sure Celldog would come up with some lame excuse as to how its not cheating.

In an issue of fairness, it's something a lot of teams complain about when they go to ANY visiting stadium, not just Indy.

[Excel]

I disagree. Last year, yes. But Ben has really stepped up his play this year. Willie Parker is on fire. And last year Ward was their only real reciever. This year Ben has been spreading the ball around a lot more, involving Miller, Holmes, and Washington more than ever. Factor that in with Holmes coming into his own as a reciever and Ben is suddenly a much more dangerous QB. All of a sudden, simply double teaming Hines won't shut down the Steelers' passing game.

Plus I just don't think Manning can handle the kind of pressure the Steelers' defense puts on a quarterback (and lets face it, it is entirely unique. No team in the league runs a defense like Dick LeBeau's).

Parker would get shut down by colts dline same way he did last night. Only reason Maroney did well against them on sunday in the first half is because he gets overlooked. Once they did focus in on him, he got shutdown, but that opened up the passing game.

Dif. is Pitts recievers are nothing compared to Pats; Holmes is the best and he is about as good as Stallworth. They have no guy they can always go to the way Pats do with Moss; who almost single handily won them that game.

Steelers offense is good, but it isnt that good.

[Matt]

Parker would get shut down by colts dline same way he did last night. Only reason Maroney did well against them on sunday in the first half is because he gets overlooked. Once they did focus in on him, he got shutdown, but that opened up the passing game.

Dif. is Pitts recievers are nothing compared to Pats; Holmes is the best and he is about as good as Stallworth. They have no guy they can always go to the way Pats do with Moss; who almost single handily won them that game.

Steelers offense is good, but it isnt that good.

Tsk, I think you give the Colts defense way too much credit. Its not as if they are an unmovable wall.

[StorminNorman]

Parker would get shut down by colts dline same way he did last night. Only reason Maroney did well against them on sunday in the first half is because he gets overlooked. Once they did focus in on him, he got shutdown, but that opened up the passing game.

Dif. is Pitts recievers are nothing compared to Pats; Holmes is the best and he is about as good as Stallworth. They have no guy they can always go to the way Pats do with Moss; who almost single handily won them that game.

Steelers offense is good, but it isnt that good.

You didnt just try to say Holmes was a better WR than Ward, did you?

[Advanced Dark]

Steelers > Colts.

No there not. Steelers took advantage of a badly injured team that couldn't hold onto the ball in wet weather. I know it was wet on both sides of the field but sometimes it snowballs for oneside. Ravens are not a playoff team.

[Memphis Slim]

It wasn't just on CBS. People in the stands heard it.

Colts: CBS Takes Responsibility for Audio Incident

("Nov 5, 2007 7:02 PM EST"); By Anthony Calhoun
24-Hour News 8 @ 6:00

INDIANAPOLIS - The Patriots are calling foul against the Colts one day after defeating the blue and white at the RCA Dome. But CBS, the network that broadcast the game, is taking responsibility for the audio incident in question.

The Patriots claimed the Colts were blasting artificial crowd noise through the dome speakers during the game, which is against NFL rules. New England says during Sunday's game you could hear a skip that proves the crowd noise wasn't real.

The play in question occurs when New England has the ball for the first play of the 4th quarter. But if you watch the play from the 24-Hour News 8 cameras rolling at the same time the problem isn't there. And if you listened on the Colts radio broadcast it wasn't there either.

The Colts would not talk about the allegations on camera.

Instead they issued this statement: "CBS has informed us that the unusual audio moment heard by fans during the Patriots-Colts game was the result of tape feedback in the CBS production truck and was isolated to the CBS broadcast. It was in no way related to any sound within the stadium and could not be heard in the stadium."

The Colts go on to say, "We trust this will put an end to the ridiculous and unfounded accusations that the Colts artificially enhanced crowd noise at the RCA Dome in any way."

[Memphis Slim]

NFL: CBS, Not Colts, Created Odd Game Noise

Team Denies Piping Artificial Sounds Into Dome

Michael Marot,
AP Sports Writer

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Indianapolis Colts contend the debate about the decibel level in the RCA Dome is merely noise, and now they have the NFL taking their side.

A day after some unusual sounds were heard during the Colts-Patriots broadcast Sunday, the NFL issued a statement saying what sounded like simulated crowd noise was actually created by the CBS production crew, not the Colts.

"CBS has informed us that the unusual audio moment heard by fans during the Patriots-Colts game was the result of tape feedback in the CBS production truck and was isolated to the CBS broadcast," the league said. "It was in no way related to any sound within the stadium and could not be heard in the stadium.
Network officials did not give any additional details, referring only to the league's statement. The telecast received the highest overnight rating, 22.5, of any Sunday afternoon regular-season NFL game since at least 1987 and had a 39 share nationally.

The Web site YouTube carried a 1-minute, 10-second clip entitled "Indy Cheats" that replayed the moments in question.

On the first play of the fourth quarter, a 14-yard pass from Tom Brady to Randy Moss, the crowd noise is heard before and during the play, then immediately cuts out when Moss is tackled. In addition, there appeared to be a vibration in the sound while the crowd was cheering.

A published report on yahoo.com said Patriots president Jonathan Kraft complained to NFL vice president of security Milt Ahlerich afterward. Kraft is the son of Patriots owner Robert Kraft.

Any enhancement of crowd noise would violate NFL rules, and Patriots spokesman Stacey James denied the team either filed or intended to file a formal complaint with the league.

It's not the first time Indianapolis has been accused of such tactics. The Pittsburgh Steelers complained about the same thing after a 26-7 loss at the dome in November 2005. Since then, other teams have informally contended there is artificial noise pumped into the dome.

The Colts have continually denied the accusations, and issued their strongest worded statement yet on Monday.

"We trust this will put an end to the ridiculous and unfounded accusations that the Colts artificially enhanced crowd noise at the RCA Dome in any way," the team said.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick, no stranger to controversy, did not discuss those allegations during his regularly scheduled news conference Monday. Instead, Belichick said he was more concerned with communication problems he said existed between Patriots coaches and Brady.

"Basically, we didn't have a coach-to-quarterback operation, so we had to signal in all of the plays, which is unusual, but that's the way it was," he said. "What all was going on, I can't tell you, but I can tell you that, from a functional standpoint, the coach-to-quarterback was basically useless."

The latest accusations add yet another chapter to this already heated rivalry.

There have been complaints about leaving the field at Gillette Stadium uncovered the night before games and contentions Pats defenders were illegally holding receivers downfield.

Now there's crowd noise, communication issues and even something as simple as a postgame handshake between Colts coach Tony Dungy and Belichick, who quickly walked past Dungy as Dungy attempted to speak with him Sunday.

Dungy downplayed the incident.

"Bill is fine, he's a good guy, that's the way he is win or lose," Dungy said. "He's just an intense guy out there. I wouldn't describe it any way other than what it is."

What a class guy Tony is. :yay:

[Memphis Slim]

I find it amazing that Matt could not find these articles.

[Matt]

And for the people that heard it at the stadium Celldog? And the other teams who have made these accusations against the Colts?

[Showtime]

Who cares about this though. The real story is the Colts being only 1 game up on the lowly Titans. The Colts better win the Division!

[Memphis Slim]

CBS this time. Numerous other organizations have made the accusation.


Who else besides the Steelers? And we pummelled them that night.

[Immortalfire]

Who cares about this though. The real story is the Colts being only 1 game up on the lowly Titans. The Colts better win the Division!

Advanced Dark is gonna be coming for you, man. :ninja:

[Excel]

You didnt just try to say Holmes was a better WR than Ward, did you?

Holmes is playing better than him; thats for damn sure.

[Dark Donnie]

Who cares about this though. The real story is the Colts being only 1 game up on the lowly Titans. The Colts better win the Division!

They actually play in a tough division though

[Dark Donnie]

I'd rather have Holmes then Ward right now

[Memphis Slim]

Who cares about this though. The real story is the Colts being only 1 game up on the lowly Titans. The Colts better win the Division!



since when are the Titans "lowly"??? Vince Young?? That defense?? They are a seriuosly dangerous team. And we have to play them twice every year. The Pats have had cupcakes all season........Sunday proved that without a doubt. Even the sports shows are saying their schedule is really soft from here on. The Colts proved that the Pats hadn't really played anyone. Yeah they won.....by 4. "Whew"..... I can't wait til Foxboro...... :woot:

[Excel]

Tsk, I think you give the Colts defense way too much credit. Its not as if they are an unmovable wall.

They only give up 107 rushing yards a game.

[Memphis Slim]

They actually play in a tough division though


THE tuffest in the league!!

[Matt]

Who else besides the Steelers? And we pummelled them that night.

You just blasted me for not posting the CBS articles, so I'm gonna tell you the same thing. Do your own damn research. More teams than the Pats and Steelers have made these accusations.

And the Steelers lose a lot. Dan Rooney is known as one of the most stand up people in the NFL Community. Heck, without Dan Rooney your beloved Tony Dungy may not even have a job. They aren't the type to throw out accusations to any team that beats them.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, its a duck. The Colts pump in crowd noise.

[Memphis Slim]

And for the people that heard it at the stadium Celldog? And the other teams who have made these accusations against the Colts?


Can you read?

[Matt]

They only give up 107 rushing yards a game.

And what about the Steelers number one defense in the league? Is it really so hard to believe that they could shut down the Colts offense?

[Memphis Slim]

You just blasted me for not posting the CBS articles, so I'm gonna tell you the same thing. Do your own damn research. More teams than the Pats and Steelers have made these accusations. Hell, people in the stadium that night heard it.

And the Steelers lose a lot. The Rooney's are known as some of the most stand up people in the NFL Community. Heck, without Dan Rooney your beloved Tony Dungy may not even have a job. They aren't the type to throw out accusations to any team that beats them.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, its a duck. The Colts pump in crowd noise.


We are in a Dome!!!!!!!! IT'S AN ACCOUSTICAL NIGHTMARE WHEN THE FANS GET REALLY LOUD!! INDY FANS ARE THE LOUDEST IN THE LEAGUE.....ADD A DOME TO THAT, AND YOU HAVE HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE!!

If teams don't work on their silent snap count, it's their own fault. Colts are the best road team in ten years.

[Showtime]

since when are the Titans "lowly"??? Vince Young?? That defense?? They are a seriuosly dangerous team. And we have to play them twice every year. The Pats have had cupcakes all season........Sunday proved that without a doubt. Even the sports shows are saying their schedule is really soft from here on. The Colts proved that the Pats hadn't really played anyone. Yeah they won.....by 4. "Whew"..... I can't wait til Foxboro...... :woot:

Are you already building up your excuses in case the Titans catch them? Come on Slim. Be a stronger fan.

The Pats have had these supposed cupcakes all season, but still beat the Colts, even after not playing any strong teams previously. The Colts should have been prepared for a tough team, since they have had to battle the entire season, right?

They WON by 4, just like Indy did in the AFC Championship last year right?

[Advanced Dark]

Whoa because of the Ravens lousy performance the Titans have the #2 overall defense in the league now!

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

I think the Titans will end up with the #1 defense overall on week 16. Watch.

[Excel]

And what about the Steelers number one defense in the league? Is it really so hard to believe that they could shut down the Colts offense?

No, but to what point? If Steelers nasty defense holds Indys great offenses to just 20 pts but Indys greatr defense hold Pitts average offense to 14 points, they still lose.

[Matt]

You're making a lot of assumptions though Excel, so I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Matt]

We are in a Dome!!!!!!!! IT'S AN ACCOUSTICAL NIGHTMARE WHEN THE FANS GET REALLY LOUD!! INDY FANS ARE THE LOUDEST IN THE LEAGUE.....ADD A DOME TO THAT, AND YOU HAVE HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE!!

If teams don't work on their silent snap count, it's their own fault. Colts are the best road team in ten years.

Ah, so teams who are the victims of cheating should just work on their silent snap count?

I suppose by your logic, the Jets should just build a wall to prevent videotaping their sideline. Correct Celldog?

[Memphis Slim]

Are you already building up your excuses in case the Titans catch them? Come on Slim. Be a stronger fan.

The Pats have had these supposed cupcakes all season, but still beat the Colts, even after not playing any strong teams previously. The Colts should have been prepared for a tough team, since they have had to battle the entire season, right?

They WON by 4, just like Indy did in the AFC Championship last year right?


What excuse?? I'm just talking facts. The Pats don't play the Titans. And it's obvious that the Colts were ready for the Pats. The Colts D did a good enough job to win. The colts O (Manning) made some bone-head decisions.

[Memphis Slim]

Ah, so teams who are the victims of cheating should just work on their silent snap count?

I suppose by your logic, the Jets should just build a wall to prevent videotaping their sideline. Correct Celldog?

What victims? No one's a victim if nothing was done. Right?
Don't be mad because your boys got caught with the cameras! :woot: :woot:

Until the Colts are actually caught with something, you're just hatin'. :woot: :woot:

[Excel]

Btw can Phily please do one of 2 things:

1. Get McNabb some ****ing recievers so I can stop reading about how a guy with 9 touchdowns and just 4 interceptions who has a 87 qb rating an dthrows for over 250 yards a game when his best recievers are Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown needs to be replaced????

2. Trade him to NEW ENGLAND so he can be a back up but get a super bowl ring???

becuase I am sick of retard Philedelphia fans saying he should be out of a job.

Your management should have resigned Donte Stallworth. They didnt.

Your management should have drafted Dwayne Jarret. They didnt.

Your managament should have tried to get Randy Moss. They didn't.

Now your recievers suck; they are playing ok because they have a great quarterback. If theres one dude I wanna see get a ring its McNabb. Philys management has totally failed the team, not the coach or the qb.

If they fail to draft DeSean Jackson; fans should call for their heads.

[LegendaryCaleb]

Steelers > Colts.
I strongly Disagree

[Matt]

Don't be mad because your boys got caught with the cameras! :woot: :woot:

Until the Colts are actually caught with something, you're just hatin'. :woot: :woot:

My boys? Didn't realize I was a Patriots fan.

I love your hypocrisy. The Pats are a horrible horrible evil organization because they video tape other teams but the Colts violate the rules in a far more severe manner and they are not cheaters because they can do it without getting caught. :whatever:

Please leave the Hype and never come back. I'm sure they'd love you over at Stormfront.

[Matt]

I strongly Disagree

I strongly disagree with your disagreement :cwink:

[LegendaryCaleb]

I strongly disagree with your disagreement :cwink:
lol...thats lovely...
Lions have a big shot of making the playoffs...so the year has been great for NFL!

[Memphis Slim]

My boys? Didn't realize I was a Patriots fan.

I love your hypocrisy. The Pats are a horrible horrible evil organization because they video tape other teams but the Colts violate the rules in a far more severe manner and they are not cheaters because they can do it without getting caught. :whatever:

Please leave the Hype and never come back. I'm sure they'd love you over at Stormfront.


Where and when did the Colts do something against the rules? Where is your proof? You just keep making claims about this and that. :yay:

Don't irrational people like you have to have proof, too? :oldrazz:

[Kaleb]

Is it time to pull the plug on McNair?

There is simply no way to overemphasize the problems the Ravens have to deal with. I'm not going to get into blaming and finger-pointing. Just try to look at some realities.

Steve McNair was a good deal for this team last season. He took them to 13-3 and instilled a confident calm in the huddle. But it is apparently over unless there is an injury problem that the Ravens are keeping under wraps. The ESPN folks showed a graphic last night that quantified what anyone who watches this team has suspected since the Colts game -- the Ravens go downfield less frequently than any team in the league. This year, they try less than half as much as the league average.

Brian Billick will reasonably contend that play-calling decisions are predicated on opposing defenses and so on. Plus, you have to consider whether there is enough confidence in the offensive line to call plays that are going to require the QB to hold the ball longer. Regardless, the Ravens, with McNair, are not getting the ball downfield at all. Does McNair have the arm for it? Billick would probably say that he does. But no one sees it enough to really know. Can Kyle Boller get the ball deep? Well, at least we see him make the throw -- whether he connects or the receiver makes the play is another story. But he can get the ball deep.

The stats from last night were incredible and the conclusion inescapable. McNair had 13 completions for 63 yards. That's less than five yards a completion. That's a sign of probably two things. A quarterback who can't get the ball downfield and a defense that realizes it and is tightening the coverage on the underneath throws. Think about it, why should an NFL cornerback worry about a Ravens wide receiver running past him at this point?

Pulling the plug on a great quarterback like Steve McNair is never easy. And I have no idea how it will play in the locker room. But as they say, desperate times ...



source :baltimoresun

[LegendaryCaleb]

It will be hard for them to sit a great like McNair...but they have to do it...he cant get the offense moving...not like Boller will do much better

[Jerry!]

since when are the Titans "lowly"??? Vince Young?? That defense?? They are a seriuosly dangerous team. And we have to play them twice every year. The Pats have had cupcakes all season........Sunday proved that without a doubt. Even the sports shows are saying their schedule is really soft from here on. The Colts proved that the Pats hadn't really played anyone. Yeah they won.....by 4. "Whew"..... I can't wait til Foxboro...... :woot:

The Patriots played like **** for almost 3 quarters and still rallied down 10 and won that game. What do you think would happen if they hadn't played like **** the first half? And when I say ****, I say that in terms of how the Patriots usually play, any other team that is within 10 points of the Colts at the end of the game usually played pretty well against them. That was the first time at home since Tony Dungy took over that the Colts lost a game up at least 10 points going into the 4th quarter. I know it is probably impossible for you, but give credit where its due and maybe you won't get as much crap thrown your way. The Pats are just better.

[Kaleb]

It will be hard for them to sit a great like McNair...but they have to do it...he cant get the offense moving...not like Boller will do much better
but they have been more effective on offense with Boller this season more than Mcnair has, I hope they daft a qb next season ( but they wont) .

[LegendaryCaleb]

but they have been more effective on offense with Boller this season more than Mcnair has, I hope they daft a qb next season ( but they wont) .
Boller is the better QB(but not by much) and mite change the mojo more for the team
but like you said...they should defenitly consider drafting a QB...or at least make a trade or pick up....anyone know the QB's that will be Free Agents next year?

[Kaleb]

HOW ABOUT THEM LIONS 6-2

[Kaleb]

Boller is the better QB(but not by much) and mite change the mojo more for the team
but like you said...they should defenitly consider drafting a QB...or at least make a trade or pick up....anyone know the QB's that will be Free Agents next year?

I really dont want anymore 2nd hand qbs next year, I think They should draft a Qb and let Boller and the rookie compete against each other

[Matt]

Where and when did the Colts do something against the rules? Where is your proof? You just keep making claims about this and that. :yay:

Don't irrational people like you have to have proof, too? :oldrazz:

Last I checked witness testimony qualifies as proof.

[LegendaryCaleb]

HOW ABOUT THEM LIONS 6-2
such a sexy year for my boys
I really dont want anymore 2nd hand qbs next year, I think They should draft a Qb and let Boller and the rookie compete against each other
exactly...but will they use that draft pick for a QB...prolly not:(...lol

[Dark Donnie]

Btw can Phily please do one of 2 things:

1. Get McNabb some ****ing recievers so I can stop reading about how a guy with 9 touchdowns and just 4 interceptions who has a 87 qb rating an dthrows for over 250 yards a game when his best recievers are Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown needs to be replaced????

2. Trade him to NEW ENGLAND so he can be a back up but get a super bowl ring???

becuase I am sick of retard Philedelphia fans saying he should be out of a job.

Your management should have resigned Donte Stallworth. They didnt.

Your management should have drafted Dwayne Jarret. They didnt.

Your managament should have tried to get Randy Moss. They didn't.

Now your recievers suck; they are playing ok because they have a great quarterback. If theres one dude I wanna see get a ring its McNabb. Philys management has totally failed the team, not the coach or the qb.

If they fail to draft DeSean Jackson; fans should call for their heads.

Is Crabtree draft eligble?.....oh and sadly McNabb is probably done here in Philly :csad:

[Kaleb]

such a sexy year for my boys
I really wish they would use Calvin Johnson more , instead of rotating him with Mike Furrey and Shaun Mcdonald.

[Excel]

I dunno; Reid still likes him. If he plays decent rest of the season; hell stick around but the management needs to do something.

Get him someone with talent that aint being used; like a Santana Moss or Chris Chambers; or get a young guy like a Chad Jackson. McNabb throws great deep balls; get him a deep threat so he doesnt have to give westbrook 14 passes a game.

[Kaleb]

Is Crabtree draft eligble?.....oh and sadly McNabb is probably done here in Philly :csad:
Cabtree is still a freshmen so you would have to waite a while.

[Dark Donnie]

I dunno; Reid still likes him. If he plays decent rest of the season; hell stick around but the management needs to do something.

Get him someone with talent that aint being used; like a Santana Moss or Chris Chambers; or get a young guy like a Chad Jackson. McNabb throws great deep balls; get him a deep threat so he doesnt have to give westbrook 14 passes a game.

They should have drafted Santonio Holmes a couple years back but passed on him due to character issues:csad:

[Showtime]

What excuse?? I'm just talking facts. The Pats don't play the Titans. And it's obvious that the Colts were ready for the Pats. The Colts D did a good enough job to win. The colts O (Manning) made some bone-head decisions.

Don't you remember last year, the Titans had won about 6 or 7 in a row and the got their asses handed to them by the Patriots? They are not a good matchup against the Patriots.

[Kaleb]

SELECTION ORDER AS OF 5-NOV-2007
Code:
Pick # Team W-L Pct. Opp Pct.
=============================================
Pick: 1 St. Louis 0-8 .000 .496
Pick: 2 Miami 0-8 .000 .541
Pick: 3 NY Jets 1-8 .111 .569
Pick: 4 San Francisco (patriots) 2-6 .250 .426
Pick: 5 Cincinnati 2-6 .250 .485
Pick: 6 Atlanta 2-6 .250 .504
Pick: 7 Oakland 2-6 .250 .527
Pick: 8 Arizona 3-5 .375 .426
Pick: 9 Minnesota 3-5 .375 .547
Pick: 10 Philadelphia 3-5 .375 .592
Pick: 11 Denver 3-5 .375 .594
Pick: 12 Chicago 3-5 .375 .600
Pick: 13 Houston 4-5 .444 .557
Pick: 14 Seattle 4-4 .500 .372
Pick: 15 New Orleans 4-4 .500 .450
Pick: 16 Baltimore 4-4 .500 .462
Pick: 17 Kansas City 4-4 .500 .477
Pick: 18 Buffalo 4-4 .500 .500
Pick: 19 Carolina 4-4 .500 .511
Pick: 20 San Diego 4-4 .500 .554
Pick: 21 Tampa Bay 5-4 .556 .481
Pick: 22 Cleveland 5-3 .625 .405
Pick: 23 Washington 5-3 .625 .557
Pick: 24 Jacksonville 5-3 .625 .571
Pick: 25 Pittsburgh 6-2 .750 .408
Pick: 26 Tennessee 6-2 .750 .477
Pick: 27 NY Giants 6-2 .750 .515
Pick: 28 Detroit 6-2 .750 .527
Pick: 29 Green Bay 7-1 .875 .484
Pick: 30 Dallas 7-1 .875 .500
Pick: 31 Indianapolis 7-1 .875 .538
Pick: 32 New England 9-0 1.000 .465

[FaT_tONle]

My boys? Didn't realize I was a Patriots fan.

I love your hypocrisy. The Pats are a horrible horrible evil organization because they video tape other teams but the Colts violate the rules in a far more severe manner and they are not cheaters because they can do it without getting caught. :whatever:

Please leave the Hype and never come back. I'm sure they'd love you over at Stormfront.

Um... didn't CBS admit they were the ones at fault with their gear or some *****?

[Kaleb]

Titans are bringing in wr Mike Williams ( who was cut by the raiders last week) for a try out today.

[Advanced Dark]

Hmmm link?

[Advanced Dark]

Don't you remember last year, the Titans had won about 6 or 7 in a row and the got their asses handed to them by the Patriots? They are not a good matchup against the Patriots.

Last year when the Titans had the 32nd ranked defense? Oh well they're the #2 overall ranked defense now and lead in several categories. They're also the #3 ranked rushing team this year.

Different year...different mentality.

Oh and in that game it was Titans 23 Patriots 27 going into the 4th quarter before things snowballed. Not bad for the worst defense in the NFL in 2006.

Williams would work well with the Titans. It's funny that Williams lost his job with the Raiders from his last dropped potential touchdown catch in the Titans game a couple weeks ago.

[Showtime]

Last year when the Titans had the 32nd ranked defense? Oh well they're the #2 overall ranked defense now and lead in several categories. They're also the #3 ranked rushing team this year.

Different year...different mentality.

Oh and in that game it was Titans 23 Patriots 27 going into the 4th quarter before things snowballed. Not bad for the worst defense in the NFL in 2006.

They were on a 7 game winning streak, the hottest team in the league, and it doesn't matter how close it was going into the 4th, the Patriots beat them big points wise.

It may be a different Titans team this year, but the Patriots are vastly superior than last years version of the Patriots as well. What do rankings really matter? The Redskins had the 5th ranked defense until the Patriots put up 52 points? The Colts? 4th ranked defense. On and on it goes.

[Advanced Dark]

They were on a 7 game winning streak, the hottest team in the league, and it doesn't matter how close it was going into the 4th, the Patriots beat them big points wise.

It may be a different Titans team this year, but the Patriots are vastly superior than last years version of the Patriots as well. What do rankings really matter? The Redskins had the 5th ranked defense until the Patriots put up 52 points? The Colts? 4th ranked defense. On and on it goes.

Well we'll see when the play hopefully in the playoff's this year. Titans are a different team year over year and so are the Patriots. They haven't played each other. So different teams different years.

[Showtime]

Well we'll see when the play hopefully in the playoff's this year. Titans are a different team year over year and so are the Patriots. They haven't played each other. So different teams different years.

The Titans are lucky they don't have to face the Patriots this year.

[Advanced Dark]

^ The Patriots are lucky because they'll probably go undefeated this season because they're not facing the Titans.

[Kaleb]

Hmmm link?

sorry here it is

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071105/SPORTS01/711050365/1328/SPORTS

[Kaleb]

They say Kiffin told Chow that the skills are there, just not the work ethic

[Advanced Dark]

Well if Jeff Fisher can turn Haynesworth around I have faith. Though I think Pacman is a lost cause.

[Showtime]

^ The Patriots are lucky because they'll probably go undefeated this season because they're not facing the Titans.

Nice try. I think Fisher is 1-4 vs the Patriots, not to mention two playoff losses.

[Jerry!]

^ The Patriots are lucky because they'll probably go undefeated this season because they're not facing the Titans.

I'm sure they could handle the Titans even on a bad game if they could the Colts.

[Advanced Dark]

Nice try. I think Fisher is 1-4 vs the Patriots, not to mention two playoff losses.

Different teams different years. They have nothing to do with one another. I'm talking about this years Titans.

[Showtime]

Different teams different years. They have nothing to do with one another. I'm talking about this years Titans.

Who are inferior to the Patriots and the Colts...:huh:

[Advanced Dark]

^ The Titans lost by 2pts in a very competitve game. Colts were the better team that day but there was no domination by the Colts on any level like the Steelers dominated the Ravens. The Titans have not played the Pats this year and just because the Pats beat the Colts and the Colts beat the Titans does not mean the Pats will beat the Titans. Again you can talk all you want as can I...let's see how the playoff's pan out.

[Dark Donnie]

Shula Wants Asterisk if Pats go Undefeated (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3097057)

[Showtime]

^ The Titans lost by 2pts in a very competitve game. Colts were the better team that day but there was no domination by the Colts on any level like the Steelers dominated the Ravens. The Titans have not played the Pats this year and just because the Pats beat the Colts and the Colts beat the Titans does not mean the Pats will beat the Titans. Again you can talk all you want as can I...let's see how the playoff's pan out.

Well I hope the Titans win the division and end up at Gillette.

[Cmill216]

Shula Wants Asterisk if Pats go Undefeated (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3097057)

Oh, flippin' please. Dude needs to go back to grilling steaks.

[Advanced Dark]

A reminder of that Titans/Colts game this year. There was no Colts domination at all:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Vince Young and the Tennessee Titans ran out of magic. Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison couldn't ice the victory. Adam Vinatieri struggled kicking the ball.

So of course, the Indianapolis Colts' defense -- yes, the one that let the Titans come back to win in December -- made the plays that mattered most.

"Our defense saved the day, and that's what good teams do," Colts coach Tony Dungy said. "They find a way to win."

This time, the Titans (1-1) trailed by 13 points instead of 14.

"Anytime the ball's in Vince Young's hands, everyone feels like we're going to win the game," Titans defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch said. "We were just waiting for something magical to happen."

But unlike last December, when Rob Bironas capped a similar comeback with a 60-yard field goal, the Colts collapsed around Young on fourth-and-4. That forced him to lob the ball away in the final seconds.

Manning kneeled down to run out the clock as defending champion Indianapolis (2-0) reminded Tennessee which team remains atop the AFC South.

"The defense came up big," Manning said.

Vinatieri had one of his worst days in years despite making field goals of 22, 39 and 20 yards.

Official site links ...
The Colts’ first road trip of the 2007 regular season came Sunday. They took an early lead and hung on for a victory against Tennessee. More ...

The Colts gently reminded the sellout crowd at LP Field that the road to the division title still runs through Indianapolis.More ... He had an extra point blocked and a field goal partially blocked that bounced off the crossbar before going over. He also missed a 36-yarder to the left after the Colts recovered a fumble in the fourth quarter.

"There were some things out there I've never seen before," Titans coach Jeff Fisher said. "I've never seen a ball tipped, and then hit the cross bar and go in. That's the good fortune of the world champs."

The Colts had every reason for a letdown in their first road game after unveiling their title banner before the opening 41-10 rout of New Orleans. And they played without starting linebackers Freddy Keiaho (right elbow) and Rob Morris (ribs).

Indianapolis allowed Tennessee 313 yards, including 141 yards rushing. But that was well below the 282 rushing yards the Titans had in their opener.

The Colts nearly blew a 16-6 halftime lead. Vinatieri struggled and the Titans picked off Manning and sacked him twice in the second half.

Indianapolis twice had the ball at the Tennessee 8 and had to settle for field goals. They even came up with a fumble when linebacker Tyjuan Hagler, starting in place of Keiaho, recovered at the beginning of the fourth period.



But Tennessee, which gave up more yards than any other NFL defense in 2006, had to settle for two field goals before LenDale White scored his first pro TD in the third.

The Titans held the Colts to a three-and-out after the turnover. But Vinatieri, the kicker signed last year for his accuracy in the clutch, missed a 36-yarder.

"We won, and that's the only thing that's really, really important," Vinatieri said.

Young, who stopped a drive himself with a taunting penalty just before halftime, drove the Titans 74 yards and pulled them within 22-20 with a 2-yard pass to Roydell Williams with 6:02 left.

Manning had his own chance to seal the victory. But Titans cornerback Nick Harper, who won a Super Bowl ring with the Colts in February, leaped up and tipped away a pass intended for Harrison at the goal line. Then Vanden Bosch sacked Manning on third down, forcing the punt.

"We were trying to get a touchdown and put the game out of reach," Manning said. "We didn't do as good a job as we wanted of running the clock."

Young, who looked so poised in becoming the first rookie quarterback to lead two comebacks of 14 points or more in 2006, finally showed his youth.

He stopped a drive just before halftime when flagged for taunting after running out of bounds, and Manning drove the Colts to a field goal after getting the ball back.

The Titans had 98 seconds left and needed a field goal to win and improve to 2-0 for the first time since 1999. Young was sacked on the first play. He overthrew Brandon Jones on third down, then the Colts collapsed around Young on fourth down and he fumbled.

Left guard Jacob Bell grabbed the ball for the Titans, but that was it.

"We fought hard. We played well. We just didn't finish it," Young said.

The thing that killed me was the tipped field goal that hit the crossbar and then still rolled in. That was the difference in this game. The Colts however did come to Tenn and win though so I give them that. The Titans will beat them in Indy though. Mark this post.

[Showtime]

The Titans lost man, fans shouldn't be happy with almost winning?

[rdh007]

Oh, flippin' please. Dude needs to go back to grilling steaks.

Agreed.

[Showtime]

Shula Wants Asterisk if Pats go Undefeated (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3097057)

I love that Dungy and Shula are giving the Patriots bulletin board material. Nice job.

[Dark Donnie]

LMAO..at this point I don't think The Patriots need Bulletin Board material

[Showtime]

Belechick does. He is going to post it after the 1st week of the bye.

[Kaleb]

pffft pats can have their undefeated season for all I care.

[Showtime]

I dont think they'll go undefeated.

[Advanced Dark]

The Titans lost man, fans shouldn't be happy with almost winning?

Yes they did which is obvious but they weren't dominated by the World Champs by any stretch of the imagination. That's my point. It's a game that was tight. Thta has nothing to do with the Titans ability to beat the Pats.

[Showtime]

Yes they did which is obvious but they weren't dominated by the World Champs by any stretch of the imagination. That's my point. It's a game that was tight. Thta has nothing to do with the Titans ability to beat the Pats.

...or inability...:yay:

[DBella]

I am just popping in to say that... the Seahawks' running game SUCKS! Can't even make 4th and 1? WTF??!! Wait... I think it was less than a yard and they have to screw it up! If I was in Cleveland, I'd ... I'd... beat the crap out of all of them. Starting with Nate Burleson ( :heart: ) coz I'm going to meet him later. Freakin' Seahawks!! :mad: :(

And the Jets... they should just die too for making me suffer this way.

Okay, I'm done. Have a great day everyone. :)

[Advanced Dark]

Stroud suspended four games for banned substance; Naeole on IR
NFL.com


The NFL announced Tuesday that Jacksonville Jaguars defensive tackle Marcus Stroud has been suspended without pay for four games for violating the NFL Policy on Anabolic Steroids and Related Substances.

Jacksonville Jaguars
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Stroud's suspension begins immediately, according to a statement released by the league. He is eligible to return to the Jaguars' active roster on Monday, Dec. 3, following the team's game the previous day against the Indianapolis Colts.

Stroud, a three-time Pro Bowl tackle who has 29 tackles and three sacks, has started all eight games for Jacksonville this season.

The Jaguars made several roster moves on Tuesday. Veteran guard Chris Naeole was placed on injured reserve, while offensive lineman Tutan Reyes and linebackers Jorge Cordova and Roy Manning were re-signed. Linebacker Justin Durant was placed on the Reserve/Suspended List.

Naeole, 32, suffered a torn quadriceps tendon during the first quarter of Sunday's loss to New Orleans. The 11th year veteran had started all eight games this season at right guard and had started 87 games for the Jaguars since signing as an unrestricted free agent in 2002.

Bye Stroud we'll miss you next week! LOL

[Excel]

Shula Wants Asterisk if Pats go Undefeated (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3097057)

Nugga Plz! :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[Advanced Dark]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2007&week=10

New Power Rankings from ESPN

[bored]

Read the rankings. Kolby Smith HAS had carries for KC this season (in garbage time at the end of the humiliation against Jax), and he didn't look half bad, though I still, for old time's sake, REALLY want Priest to get his chance to start.

[Showtime]

The Titans should be ahead of the Giants actually.

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/NFL+Features/2007/tidbits10.htm

Week 10 tidbits game by game.

[Cmill216]

The Titans should be ahead of the Giants actually.

It's kind of hard to argue either way, though.

The Titans are 6-2, both losses came against current divison leaders.
The Giants are 6-2, both losses came against current division leaders.

The Giants have won 6 straight, so I guess they get the nod because of that.

[Showtime]

I hate their uniforms, therefore Titans edge them out.

[Kaleb]

I have breaking news!!!!!!!


Kansas City Chief Larry Johnson Out for Season




KANSAS CITY -- Kansas City Chiefs running back Larry Johnson is out for the season.
This was confirmed by a source within the Chiefs organization with direct knowledge of the situation.

According to the Chiefs initially, Johnson had suffered a mid-foot sprain in the fourth quarter of last Sunday's 33-22 loss to the Packers.

However Anderson has learned that Johnson has a broken bone in the left foot.

So far this season Johnson has rushed 158 times for 559 yards.

That total has had Johnson ranked 14th in the league-just behind Travis Henry who’s 13th with 580 yards.

While this injury is bad news for Johnson, it’s a bright spot for the Broncos who’s last ranked rush defense who won’t have to face him.


http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4851381&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[Advanced Dark]

I have breaking news!!!!!!!


Kansas City Chief Larry Johnson Out for Season




KANSAS CITY -- Kansas City Chiefs running back Larry Johnson is out for the season.
This was confirmed by a source within the Chiefs organization with direct knowledge of the situation.

According to the Chiefs initially, Johnson had suffered a mid-foot sprain in the fourth quarter of last Sunday's 33-22 loss to the Packers.

However Anderson has learned that Johnson has a broken bone in the left foot.

So far this season Johnson has rushed 158 times for 559 yards.

That total has had Johnson ranked 14th in the league-just behind Travis Henry who’s 13th with 580 yards.

While this injury is bad news for Johnson, it’s a bright spot for the Broncos who’s last ranked rush defense who won’t have to face him.


http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4851381&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


I remember that happened to Jevon Kearse when he was with the Titans and he was NEVER the same since. It effected him for 2 years with multiple surgeries. Then he went to the Eagles and sorta vanished.

[Advanced Dark]

I hate their uniforms, therefore Titans edge them out.

Titans have better overall defense, Giants have better passing offense.

[Immortalfire]

I hate their uniforms, therefore Titans edge them out.

The Giants' uniforms make them look like a poor high school team.

[Showtime]

Titans have better overall defense, Giants have better passing offense.

Titans=Better Uniforms

They win.

[Showtime]

The Giants' uniforms make them look like a poor high school team.

They really do! Gray pants?? :huh:

[Matt]

Shula Wants Asterisk if Pats go Undefeated (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3097057)

Weren't the tapes confinscated shortly into the first half. Hardly grounds for an asterisk. Especially if Barry Bonds doesn't get one.

[Jerry!]

Yeah I don't get that. People can speculate about the past all they want, theres no way they are putting asterisks in the past anyways, but realistically they were probably never even able to use what they got since they were caught at the half. Thats what he wants an asterisk for? I don't care if he is the best coach that ever lived, that doesn't make sense. They haven't been able to use it from the second half of the 1st game of the season, everything they have done this year is clean of Spygate. I don't see how that equals in his eyes that this season is tainted and deserves an asterisk if they were to go 19-0.

[Memphis Slim]

Weren't the tapes confinscated shortly into the first half. Hardly grounds for an asterisk. Especially if Barry Bonds doesn't get one.


I think the issue is that some think that first game (The Jets )should have been forfeited. Who knows what the tape may have done in that game.

The sad part about all of this is that they didn't need to cheat....but did it anyway. :dry:

[Memphis Slim]

Last I checked witness testimony qualifies as proof.



No proof no foul.....

So until the NFL releases a statement, you got nothing.

[Advanced Dark]

This week!

Go Pittsburgh!
Go Titans!
Go San Diego!

[Showtime]

I heard on the radio a little while ago, that they are now saying that audio discrepancy also was heard over the radio...

[The_Mystery]

I haven't been able to make my thoughts known about the Pats/Colts game, so I apologize for being late, but I love all the excuses coming from all you Colts fans. Why can't you admit that your boy Manning choked. That's what he does in big games. Last year was a fluke. The Colts are a great team and Manning is a great QB, but in the clutch, I would not take him unless the other options were like Brian Griese or Joey Harrington. Brady is the MAN (cause he beat "the Man") and the Patriots are the truth. Deal with it and give us our damn rings!!!

[Matt]

I heard on the radio a little while ago, that they are now saying that audio discrepancy also was heard over the radio...

Don't bother Showtime. Jesus Christ himself could come down from heaven and say that the Colts cheated and Celldog would defend them.

[Jerry!]

I think the issue is that some think that first game (The Jets )should have been forfeited. Who knows what the tape may have done in that game.

The sad part about all of this is that they didn't need to cheat....but did it anyway. :dry:

Probably nothing, because they caught them at halftime. They blew them out. Just like they have every other team after that besides the Colts. The Jets aren't a good team.

[TheRunningMan]

who ever else here is a pittsburgh fan can come to my house and celebrate

[Showtime]

Don't bother Showtime. Jesus Christ himself could come down from heaven and say that the Colts cheated and Celldog would defend them.

...or call Jesus a racist. :csad:

[LegendaryCaleb]

I really wish they would use Calvin Johnson more , instead of rotating him with Mike Furrey and Shaun Mcdonald.
i do agree...but I really like Furrey so i dont totally mind

[rdh007]

Don't bother Showtime. Bob Sanders himself could come down from heaven and say that the Colts cheated and Celldog would defend them.

^Fixed. ;)

[FaT_tONle]

Titans have better overall defense, Giants have better passing offense.

What is with all the Tennessee Titans love fest in this thread? Be happy your team is probably playoff bound but cmon... seems like several poster along with you just have this over zealousy with that club... didn't realize that franchise actually had a following... but seriously its not like they are winning the division or anything. And at times Vince Young has been brutal. It's likely one and done anyways.

[Excel]

Ok Shula; even though it is scientifically proven that the Pats got no help from the tape; they still deserve an * next to it.

ok.

Way to make sense :rolleyes:

^Fixed. ;)

Ok, I laughed :dry:

[Alex The Great]

Pats aren't going undefeated. No worries.

:)
browsing the old posts and saw this ^^:o
*mocks farmerfran* lol jk
something tells me the Steelers are gona lose.....*prays that Ben Rothlesberger be injusred for rest of his carrer* here's hopin :cmad::up:

[Fran]

Wow, awesome. Nice to wish bad things on a dude who's already been hurt in a motorcycle accident and almost burst his spleen. :csad:

[Cmill216]

*prays that Ben Rothlesberger be injusred for rest of his carrer* here's hopin :cmad::up:

:dry:

I swear....

[Fran]

Pats fans in terms of arrogance >>> Michigan/OSU fans.

[Alex The Great]

Wow, awesome. Nice to wish bad things on a dude who's already been hurt in a motorcycle accident and almost burst his spleen. :csad:
that actually happened? didn't actually know that hehe...only bin a NFL fan for like..a year...not Many like soem of you guys here
:dry:

I swear....
i just HATE the STEELERS that's all

:dry:

[Fran]

So it's safe to say you joined the Pats bandwagon?

[Dark Donnie]

Big Ben is fine and playing this week....hope he and the Steelers beat up on the Pats

[Alex The Great]

So it's safe to say you joined the Pats bandwagon?
um....si......i joined cuz there close to where i live + there good don't deny it anti-pats fans :oldrazz: my second team is......the broncos :cmad::up:

[Immortalfire]

i just HATE the STEELERS that's all

:dry:

I'm not fond of the Panthers, but I'm certainly not dancing in the streets because Delhomme is hurt. I can't believe one would deliberately wish ill upon someone. :dry:

[Fran]

Hahaha, man, the Lions smoked them.

[Cmill216]

I'm not fond of the Panthers, but I'm certainly not dancing in the streets because Delhomme is hurt. I can't believe one would deliberately wish ill upon someone. :dry:

I know, right? I don't like the Falcons, but I don't go around wishing that Michael Vick starts a illegal crime syndicate and gets caught by fede.........oh, wait.....

:ninja:

[Alex The Great]

I'm not fond of the Panthers, but I'm certainly not dancing in the streets because Delhomme is hurt. I can't believe one would deliberately wish ill upon someone. :dry:
how bout a.....i week injusry then hehe


and who did the lions smoke? forgot who there against..the steelers? if that's wut u mean then
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/cccrazyboy/thumbsup.gif

[Alex The Great]

I know, right? I don't like the Falcons, but I don't go around wishing that Michael Vick starts a illegal crime syndicate and gets caught by fede.........oh, wait.....

:ninja:
haha
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/cccrazyboy/thumbsup.gif

[Fran]

The Lions defeated the Broncos 44-7 on Sunday.

[The Evolutionist]

Anybody who wishes ill of another human being because they PLAY A GAME BETTER is not worth the oxygen they breathe.

[Alex The Great]

The Lions defeated the Broncos 44-7 on Sunday.
oh.....DANM!!!!! :cmad::down

[Immortalfire]

I know, right? I don't like the Falcons, but I don't go around wishing that Michael Vick starts a illegal crime syndicate and gets caught by fede.........oh, wait.....

:ninja:

I chuckled.

[Fran]

Discussion:

The Lions. For real or just a one-year wonder?

[Showtime]

For real.

[Fran]

I've watched this team for many years, living 2 hours from Ford Field.

And I've gotta say, they look pretty boss. Beating the Bears, no matter their record at the time, in Soldier Field is a pretty tough task, and sweeping them in the process.

If they get past the Pack, they could be a dark horse in the NFC.

[Alex The Great]

Discussion:

The Lions. For real or just a one-year wonder?
for real......smoked Broncos more than fire on your lungs......smoked....:woot:

[Showtime]

I've watched this team for many years, living 2 hours from Ford Field.

And I've gotta say, they look pretty boss. Beating the Bears, no matter their record at the time, in Soldier Field is a pretty tough task, and sweeping them in the process.

If they get past the Pack, they could be a dark horse in the NFC.

Wild Card Contender.

[Fran]

More like a frontrunner.

Unless they run into Washington or Philly in the playoffs.*

*If Philly can turn it around

[Alex The Great]

Wild Card Contender.
quoted for truth :cwink::up:

[The Evolutionist]

Discussion:

The Lions. For real or just a one-year wonder?

Gonna need the rest of the year and next year to say for sure, but I think they're turning around.

[Showtime]

Philly?

[Cmill216]

Discussion:

The Lions. For real or just a one-year wonder?

The Lions are about as real as Candy Mountain.

[Fran]

I fixed it.

[The Evolutionist]

Philly?

We're ****ed until McNabb gets traded or better.

[Alex The Great]

The Lions are about as real as Candy Mountain.
haha:ninja:

[Showtime]

I tried to type "Philly ?" again and an error came up...

This post is a duplicate of a post that you have posted in the last five minutes.

[Fran]

The Lions are about as real as Candy Mountain.

Dude, don't hate on Candy Mountain, it's near East Lansing. :csad::o

[Showtime]

We're ****ed until McNabb gets traded or better.

They should have traded him to the Agronauts.

[Alex The Great]

They should have traded him to the Agronauts.
yup.....i wondah if the Rams'll go 0-16:o

wtf happened to Calvin Johnson? haven't heard anything about him on Fox or CBs or SC

[Showtime]

I picked the Rams to win the Superbowl in Vegas...

[Fran]

Most likely, the Rams will not go 0-16.

[Showtime]

Discussion:

Which is more likely, the Patriots going 16-0 or the Rams going 0-16?

Which team is more likely to not win a game, Dolphins or Rams?

[Fran]

Dolphins look like pure s***.

Rams have at least competed in every game except the Dallas one.

[The Evolutionist]

They should have traded him to the Agronauts.

They should trade him to the unemployment office.

[SurfDUI]

Which is more likely?

Which team is more likely?

Pats go 14-2 Rams go 2-14

Dolphins actually may not win a game, if they do that team should lose a draft pick.

[Alex The Great]

Discussion:

Which is more likely, the Patriots going 16-0 or the Rams going 0-16?

Which team is more likely to not win a game, Dolphins or Rams?
pats go 16-0 FTW!!!!! :cmad::up:
Rams might go...1-15.........'phins' go 0-16

[SurfDUI]

The Lions?

The Lions are as bout as real as it gets in the NFC

[Fran]

Pats go 15-2 Rams go 2-15

Dolphins actually may not win a game, if they do that team should lose a draft pick.

When did Goodell add a 17th game? :huh:

[BlackLantern]

as a giants fan I can only think 1 week ahead at a time....I'd be happy with beating dallas even if they didnt win another game for the rest of the season

[Alex The Great]

When did Goodell add a 17th game? :huh:
haha.....just about to say that

[Excel]

We're ****ed until McNabb gets traded or better.

:dry:

No, if you McNabb is tradfed you will be ****ed.

You are ****ed until your retarded ass managment gets McNabb some recievers; he still has a rocket arm he just has no targets.

[Alex The Great]

:dry:

No, if you McNabb is tradfed you will be ****ed.

You are ****ed until your retarded ass managment gets McNabb some recievers; he still has a rocket arm he just has no targets.
get good receivers and ur QB will BEGG to be resigned to a long term deal....kinda like the Pats....cut therre receivers..trade up....got 3 great receivers.....Brady is doing wut looks like Superman does in a game.....get good receivers.....get good QB :up:

[Excel]

That is what they need to do. Anybody saying Kolb, a rookie whose never played a snap in his life, is gonna do better then a guy with 90 qb rating; is outta their mind.

90 rating with crap wide outs. The eagles management needs to fix that. Some potential guys i would look at:

-Santana Moss: speedster who can run deep which is what McNabb needs
-Chad Jackson: fast and big, young with T.O. type body
-Brandon Marshall: fast and young
-Bryant Johnson: fast and huge, free agent
-David Patten: putting up great numbers in new orleans, free agent

Draft DeSean Jackson, or Mario Manningham if Jackson is taken.

Or better yet, send a message. SHOW the NFL and everyone else your dedicated to giving yourselves a godo team and get a BIG name; a huge name even, same way they did with T.O.

Trade for a guy like Chad Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Smith...do something.

[Dark Donnie]

Is injury history is the only thing that concerns me

[vindrow]

.....*prays that Ben Rothlesberger be injusred for rest of his carrer* here's hopin :cmad::up:


Anyone that hopes, wishes or prays for a career ending injury on any player is truely a sad little boy.

[The Evolutionist]

Discussion:

Which is more likely, the Patriots going 16-0 or the Rams going 0-16?

Which team is more likely to not win a game, Dolphins or Rams?

The answer to both of those questions is yes.

The Pats go 16-0, while both the Rams and Dolphins go 0-16.

[Showtime]

When did Goodell add a 17th game? :huh:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1107/1375592311_6ed673462d.jpg?v=0

[Fran]

The answer to both of those questions is yes.

The Pats go 16-0, while both the Rams and Dolphins go 0-16.

:cmad: douchebag

[The Evolutionist]

:dry:

No, if you McNabb is tradfed you will be ****ed.

You are ****ed until your retarded ass managment gets McNabb some recievers; he still has a rocket arm he just has no targets.

Yeah, I agree with that, I was more for McNabb healing than anything else, but if they trade him, they might as well fire him.

Although, from the looks of your post and the spelling errors in it, I'm guessing you're as drunk as I am?

[The Evolutionist]

:cmad: douchebag

Sorry man, just my opinion...

[vindrow]

Discussion:

Which is more likely, the Patriots going 16-0 or the Rams going 0-16?

Which team is more likely to not win a game, Dolphins or Rams?


I believe the Pats will lose in the last part of the season....if Beli is smart and rest his starters once they clinch home field.

I think the rams will win a couple of games, but once the Dolphins traded Chambers away so did their chances of winning a game..so i believe the Dolphins will go 0-16 this year.

[The Evolutionist]

Dude, Fran, I'm not a douche.

[Fran]

hahaha, I was joking.

But you're wrong:up:

[Cmill216]

Wasn't Leonard Little just put on IR?

[LegendaryCaleb]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1107/1375592311_6ed673462d.jpg?v=0
is he watching the way i do it so he can cheat when hes in a "real game" situation;)

nice avatar Fran

[Fran]

Wasn't Leonard Little just put on IR?

We traded him for Bob Sanders.

[Excel]

Thats who it is; the guy who would fit perfectly in phily.

steve smith.

[Excel]

whats with all the hate on laurence maroney?

This guy seems to be getting a lot of flack, but let me explain something about him.

He is averaging 4.7 yards a carry; so honestly what more can you ask for?

But in reguards to this complaint I just saw on tv as to why he has no big plays...I don't get it. Isn't the answer obvious?

With 3 great recievers, where are the defenders? Are they up on the line or are they back in coverage?

Whenever Maroney gets his 5-6 yards upfront, he still has yet to meet the linebackers, corners, and safeties, as they all drop back in coverage. So getting big gains for Maroney (who was 10th in the NFL in 20 yard runs last year) is going to be pretty hard as long as they still have such a viscous passing game.

Big runs come when the back is only 6-7 yards from the line of scrimmage but is already past the defense; when the defense knows the run is coming but you get threw it and there is nothing to stop them.

With Maroney; there is always 2-3 guys to stop him even if he is 15 yards down field, just becuase they are down there to prevent the 50 yard bomb to Moss or Stallworth.

[Jerry!]

He is probably the perfect back for the Patriots, he is good, but not to a point where his talent would be wasted because the Patriots have such a great passing game.

[Fran]

Why would you want Mike Hart and Maroney in the backfield? One good RB is enough, with a sufficient backup.

[Mee]

He is averaging 4.7 yards a carry; so honestly what more can you ask for?

4.8?

[NewYorkSpider]

So did the Colts enhance the crowd noise on Sunday? An RCA Dome security guard is saying "Yes".

Link.

Bob_Sanders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/RCA-Dome-security-guard-says-noise-is-enhanced?urn=nfl,52696)

[Jerry!]

Its ok, there is no evidence of Dungy being involved so it doesn't count.

[Excel]

He is probably the perfect back for the Patriots, he is good, but not to a point where his talent would be wasted because the Patriots have such a great passing game.

Psh. Maroney is very good; his talent is without doubt being wasted. Last year he ws 10th in the league in the NFL in 20 yard rushes; this year has none. He is great with screens, which we saw last week; but he has 2 catches all year. I mean this is what I find very impressive about him; what I love right now; games like last week.

75 yards on 14 carries; 5.3 average; with a long of 13. There is no huge gain that inflates the average; ge gets litteraly 4-6 yards on almost EVERY carry. Its not say a 3 yard run, 4 yarder, - 2 yarder, 25 yard gain...it's consistent.

Thats how you know that; when he is doing this kind of stuff without the big plays; that he's got it. Last week he had 112 total yards on just 16 touches against the Redskins defense.

Maybe to show himself off he should go to another team where hell get 5-6 passes a game and 20+ carries every game; because that will never happen here. That said; the talent is there; and you gotta think soone ror later he'll have that huge game to make everybody shut up.

[LegendaryCaleb]

So did the Colts enhance the crowd noise on Sunday? An RCA Dome security guard is saying "Yes".

Link.

Bob_Sanders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/RCA-Dome-security-guard-says-noise-is-enhanced?urn=nfl,52696)
well thats pretty retarded....lol

[Jerry!]

Psh. Maroney is very good; his talent is without doubt being wasted. Last year he ws 10th in the league in the NFL in 20 yard rushes; this year has none. He is great with screens, which we saw last week; but he has 2 catches all year. I mean this is what I find very impressive about him; what I love right now; games like last week.

75 yards on 14 carries; 5.3 average; with a long of 13. There is no huge gain that inflates the average; ge gets litteraly 4-6 yards on almost EVERY carry. Its not say a 3 yard run, 4 yarder, - 2 yarder, 25 yard gain...it's consistent.

Thats how you know that; when he is doing this kind of stuff without the big plays; that he's got it. Last week he had 112 total yards on just 16 touches against the Redskins defense.

Maybe to show himself off he should go to another team where hell get 5-6 passes a game and 20+ carries every game; because that will never happen here. That said; the talent is there; and you gotta think soone ror later he'll have that huge game to make everybody shut up.

I'm not doubting him, he just seems to be in the background of everything really, though he doesn't deserve to be.

[SurfDUI]

So did the Colts enhance the crowd noise on Sunday? An RCA Dome security guard is saying "Yes".

Link.

Bob_Sanders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/RCA-Dome-security-guard-says-noise-is-enhanced?urn=nfl,52696)


:whatever: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3095903 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3095903)

NFL says Patriots claim of extra crowd noise unsubstantiated

Cheaters feel everyone is cheating, and then cheaters don't want other folks to cheat....Kraft is a dillhole

[Advanced Dark]

So did the Colts enhance the crowd noise on Sunday? An RCA Dome security guard is saying "Yes".

Link.

Bob_Sanders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/RCA-Dome-security-guard-says-noise-is-enhanced?urn=nfl,52696)

Of course they did. That's why people in the stands heard it.

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.titansonline.com/news/newsmain_detail.php?PRKey=5275

NASHVILLE, TN, Nov. 6, 2007 — The Tennessee Titans added some depth at defensive tackle Tuesday by signing Demetrin Veal.
The Titans had only Albert Haynesworth, Tony Brown and Randy Starks at defensive tackle after veteran Corey Simon decided to retire Oct. 25.
But Haynesworth strained his right hamstring late in Sunday's 20-7 win over Carolina, and even though he expects to play, the Titans (6-2) decided to add depth before Sunday's game against Jacksonville (5-3).
The 6-foot-2, 288-pound Veal has played in 34 NFL games over four seasons with 76 tackles, 2½ sacks, a fumble recovery and a safety. He spent the past two seasons in Denver and played in all 16 games with the Broncos in 2006.
In college, Veal played both end and tackle at Tennessee. He was a seventh-round draft pick by Atlanta in 2003 and played in three games for the Falcons. He was released after the 2004 training camp.
Running back Quinton Ganther had been released on Monday


Also some more news/stats:


Impressive stat: The Titans have not given up a touchdown after any of their 19 turnovers.

"That is not a stat you like to brag about because you turn the ball over too much," Fisher said. "But when it happens, to be able to keep winning you have to overcome those things.''




Workout: Defensive tackle Kenderick Allen, a 6-5, 330-pounder who's spent time with the Bengals, Packers, Giants and Saints, worked out for the Titans on Monday.


http://www.thetennesean.com

[bored]

I have breaking news!!!!!!!


Kansas City Chief Larry Johnson Out for Season




KANSAS CITY -- Kansas City Chiefs running back Larry Johnson is out for the season.
This was confirmed by a source within the Chiefs organization with direct knowledge of the situation.

According to the Chiefs initially, Johnson had suffered a mid-foot sprain in the fourth quarter of last Sunday's 33-22 loss to the Packers.

However Anderson has learned that Johnson has a broken bone in the left foot.

So far this season Johnson has rushed 158 times for 559 yards.

That total has had Johnson ranked 14th in the league-just behind Travis Henry who’s 13th with 580 yards.

While this injury is bad news for Johnson, it’s a bright spot for the Broncos who’s last ranked rush defense who won’t have to face him.


http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4851381&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


Priest Holmes did this with voodoo, I just know it.

[Darthphere]

So did the Colts enhance the crowd noise on Sunday? An RCA Dome security guard is saying "Yes".

Link.

Bob_Sanders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/RCA-Dome-security-guard-says-noise-is-enhanced?urn=nfl,52696)

It's very easy to say that when you can do it through anonymity.

Like I can tell the Miami Herald that "I don't know if you know this, but the Dolphins are 0-8 because the ownership watched Major League too much and want to sell the team" Hey, but keep my name secret.

[bored]

Okay, that link is the only place I've seen as saying LJ is out for the season. He's unlikely for this Sunday, but no certainty beyond that.

[Advanced Dark]

NFL.com and ESPN say his season is in doubt.

[Excel]

preist

[BlackLantern]

I picked up Justin Fargas because I needed a throwaway RB for my FF...and now hes the starter and got me like 20 points last week....

[Memphis Slim]

:whatever: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3095903 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3095903)

NFL says Patriots claim of extra crowd noise unsubstantiated

Cheaters feel everyone is cheating, and then cheaters don't want other folks to cheat....Kraft is a dillhole


Bingo. Just because you do it, you think everybody else is too.

[Excel]

It says their proof; the clip on the air; is CBS.

It doesnt explain why Brady cant hear.

Hell, remember during the game the broadcasters said it; something along thes elines.

"this crowd can go from being so loud to so quiet like THAT; when the play is on their loud and when its over their like this (their quiet).

even THEY noticed it; so CBS's explanation doesnt cover that.

[Showtime]

Apparently Colts security was harrasing a cameraman for Patriots All Access during the game. He was forced to wear a bright orange vest, and was followed by security the entire game.

[KALEL114]

I have a question. Was it made clear which 1st round draft pick the Pats would have to give up?

[Cmill216]

I have a question. Was it made clear which 1st round draft pick the Pats would have to give up?

Their's.

[KALEL114]

They get San Frans pick also, so they keep that one?

[Kaleb]

Yip they keep the san fran pick,which looks like a top 5.

[KALEL114]

Thanks.

[BlackLantern]

They should take away Tom Bradys' supermodel dating priveliges....make him date a fatty for a year....

[Immortalfire]

They should take away Tom Bradys' supermodel dating priveliges....make him date a fatty for a year....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/lold.jpg

[Excel]

C-Jac is back!

http://gatorzone.com/football/images/action2003/jackson_chad.jpg

Pats activated speedy 2nd year reciver Chad Jackson today. Jackson, the 36th pick overall last year, was a stand out wide reciever at Florida. Despite being hamped by injury, he did score touchdowns on 3 of his 13 catches last season. With an Terrel Owens like body and Moss type speed, this is just yet another reciever weapon the Patriots have to work with.

come on C-jac aka Big Play; lets get yuor **** together!

[Bond]

Excel, your avvy is confusing.

How are we supposed to know who #81 is?

[Excel]

Excel, your avvy is confusing.

How are we supposed to know who #81 is?

I can se ehow its confusing; I mean every reciever makes one handed catches all the time :dry:

[enterthemadness]

Panthers LB ( or is it MLB?) Dan Morgan is on IR. ...Talented player, but a bust due to injuries (mostly concussions). Wonder if he will comeback next year.

http://www.panthers.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=27022

[Jerry!]

I only label players as busts if they are healthy and cannot perform. Like Cedric Benson.

[Advanced Dark]

Excel, your avvy is confusing.

How are we supposed to know who #81 is?

Probably by the endzone colors. LOL

[bullets]

They should take away Tom Bradys' supermodel dating priveliges....make him date a fatty for a year....



They should of done that when he did this.

http://news.bostonherald.com/galleries/images/55729_frontpage.jpg

[Immortalfire]

C-Jac is back!

http://gatorzone.com/football/images/action2003/jackson_chad.jpg

Pats activated speedy 2nd year reciver Chad Jackson today. Jackson, the 36th pick overall last year, was a stand out wide reciever at Florida. Despite being hamped by injury, he did score touchdowns on 3 of his 13 catches last season. With an Terrel Owens like body and Moss type speed, this is just yet another reciever weapon the Patriots have to work with.

come on C-jac aka Big Play; lets get yuor **** together!

Geesh, enough with these stupid first letter-half last name nicknames :whatever:

[Advanced Dark]

Geesh, enough with these stupid first letter-half last name nicknames :whatever:

I know it's stupid I-Mof huh?

A-Dark

[Immortalfire]

They might as well do it for all the more prolific players..

P-Man
T-Bra
B-Far
L-Tom
S-Al
B-Roth

And on and on

[Alex The Great]

here's alittle discussion: IF THE PATS were to win the superbowl this year, would they suck the next year? this year's bin great...but will it lead on to next year?

[bullets]

here's alittle discussion: IF THE PATS were to win the superbowl this year, would they suck the next year? this year's bin great...but will it lead on to next year?



The Pats have been a good team and will continue to be next year , there isnt any doubt about that . The other teams will figure out a way to beat them so i wouldnt expect a perfect season next year but they will remain contenders for the superbowl and will be the team to beat.

[Alex The Great]

The Pats have been a good team and will continue to be next year , there isnt any doubt about that . The other teams will figure out a way to beat them so i wouldnt expect a perfect season next year but they will remain contenders for the superbowl and will be the team to beat.
yup....wonder if there gonna have a nother great OFFSEASON.

[Jerry!]

They've gone back to back before, and they have always been a contender in the years since that.

[Mee]

Heh, Troy Polamolu would be T-Pol.



...Only Trekkies will appreciate that. :(

[Alex The Great]

They've gone back to back before, and they have always been a contender in the years since that.
indeed...back to back FTW!!!

[The Game]

here's alittle discussion: IF THE PATS were to win the superbowl this year, would they suck the next year? this year's bin great...but will it lead on to next year?

I Don't think they will be trash next year, may it be as good? who knows, but they will still be a force. Right now, i'm not really bothered about next year, I just want to see history get made, thus meaning the only thing keeping the 72 Dolphins alive will be ripped away.....................old people suck.

[BlackLantern]

Heh, Troy Polamolu would be T-Pol.



...Only Trekkies will appreciate that. :(

and who cares what Trekkies think.....?

[Alex The Great]

I Don't think they will be trash next year, may it be as good? who knows, but they will still be a force. Right now, i'm not really bothered about next year, I just want to see history get made, thus meaning the only thing keeping the 72 Dolphins alive will be ripped away.....................old people suck.
lol.....isnt' it weird that the phins loom like there gong 0-16..when there 35 year old recors might be shattered :o:up:

[The Game]

lol.....isnt' it weird that the phins loom like there gong 0-16..when there 35 year old recors might be shattered :o:up:

LMAO, I love the irony

[Alex The Great]

LMAO, I love the irony
lol
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r185/psychofish77/Irony.jpg

[Alex The Great]

looks like vic is confident htat the PATS will go all the way..coule more goodies here aswell

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=B3E54715255439D00838FB99910BA804? id=09000d5d803f9a2e&template=with-video&confirm=true

[Fran]

Question:

Can you type correctly? Or are you on a caffeine diet?

[Matt]

So the Patriots traded for San Fran's number 1 draft pick? Gotta give it to them for spitting in the face of their punishment.

[Cmill216]

The Pats got San Francisco's pick on draft day when San Fran moved up to get back into the 1st Round.

But now with the Niners tanking, the Patriots could end up with a top 5 pick.

[Matt]

Ah, I see. Haha, that is pretty damn funny to me.

[Excel]

No doubt; imagine if they had first 2 rounders...

brandon meriwether is a beats in the making; he wrecks people. cant wait to see him get some solid playing time. cjac is back; and maroneys been in.

[FaT_tONle]

Patriots can't keep this run up even if SF is a top ten pick... If I were them I'd trade it... they will soon need to replace the linebackers and replenish the rest of their front seven. Plus they have to resign Asante but knowing them... they will probably let him walk... same with Moss when he wants an extension... best receiver in football and he is making what? 2 million? I think they overspent on Stallworth too... plus I have no idea what the contract situations are for their D and O lines but it will be pricey to keep the major components... there is no way they will have the cap to fit everyone in. They should trade the pick or draft a shut down corner.

[Jerry!]

Maybe someone will take a pay cut. Didn't someone do that before with the Patriots?

[BlackLantern]

Maybe someone will take a pay cut. Didn't someone do that before with the Patriots?

brady did back a couple years ago so they could resign some free agents.....then he got a big fat contract the next year....

[Dark Donnie]

I read that Stallworth probably won't be back....Harrison will probably be gone on the defensive side to

[Ben Urich]

I'm sorry, I thought I was in the NFL thread. My mistake. :huh:

[Alex The Great]

Question:

Can you type correctly? Or are you on a caffeine diet?
i'm a fast typer....typos are normal for me lol.

[SurfDUI]

:csad: Your 1 loss World Champs visit sunny California-
San Di-ego, SUPA-CHA-GERS

Great NFC East matchup

Dallas @ the New York Gigantes - Game o tha week

[FaT_tONle]

brady did back a couple years ago so they could resign some free agents.....then he got a big fat contract the next year....

Then how the **** does Romo get an even bigger contract?

[Kaleb]

can you imagine if the pats picked up Brandon Meriweathers miami partner , Safety Kenny Phillips

Kenny Phillips came to Miami with the expectations of being the next study safety from the U. Early on he showed that those lofty expectations were valid. He was on everyone’s Freshman All American lists after finishing the year with 88 tackles, three for loss and an interception. As a sophomore, he stepped his game up even more, finishing with 71 tackles, six for loss, and four interceptions despite missing the final three games with a broken thumb.

Phillips has it all. From a physical standpoint, he has everything you want. He has excellent size and can match up with just about anyone in coverage. He also possesses the athleticism, quickness, and speed to fly around the field making plays. He is aggressive, active, and willing to do whatever it takes to get to the football. Phillips is a complete safety as he can attack the line of scrimmage in run support and make plays on the football in coverage. He has also earned All ACC honors for his success in the classroom, so he is getting it done off the field as well.

There is not much to dislike about Phillips’ game. He is a rare safety that can do it all and is a legit Top 10 pick. If you want to pick things apart, he can go for the big hit a little too often instead of making the safe play.

If Phillips declares this season, he is in all likelihood a Top 10 pick. He is a playmaker in the secondary, and has all the skills to develop into a perennial pro bowler.



The guy is a hybrid of Sean Taylor and Ed Reed

[FaT_tONle]

can you imagine if the pats picked up Brandon Meriweathers miami partner , Safety Kenny Phillips



The guy is a hybrid of Sean Taylor and Ed Reed

I think you may want to be changing the avy btw...

[BlackLantern]

why am i suddenly hearing all this McNabb possibly leaving Philly talk??

[Immortalfire]

Dallas @ the New York Gigantes - Game o tha week

Let me guess, MNF's game? :whatever:

[BlackLantern]

Giants have the 4 oclock game on sunday against Dallas

[Silver Knight]

Question. Which team do you think will get a full make over?

[The Evolutionist]

why am i suddenly hearing all this McNabb possibly leaving Philly talk??

Because he's in Philly. When you win in Philly, you're God. When you lose, we run you out of town.

[Matt]

Question. Which team do you think will get a full make over?

At the beginning of the season, I'd have said Cleveland. But I doubt it now. Same with Washington. They seemed like a good choice earlier in the year, but now, not so much (though in all fairness, they don't seem like they can compete with major teams...still, just one big player and all of that can change, so a full makeover is unlikely)

Miami or San Fran seem like good choices. Though I imagine San Fran's will simply be on the coaching end since they have decent talent. A different QB is likely too. St. Lous is another good choice.