2007 NFL Thread

[BlackLantern]

the Pats are not in a big market.....People that live in Mass probably couldnt find Foxboro on a map, but they also have a great owner in Bob Kraft

[Dark Donnie]

People have been using that excuse for a long time....it use to be against the Cowboys, now its the Pats......New Team, Same Excuse.....

:huh: What excuse is that? Some Owners are inept and bad at making decisions, some are in it to just generate money. That is my point, again I stated nothing about the Patriots not deserving to win.

[Spider-Fan]

the Pats are not in a big market.....People that live in Mass probably couldnt find Foxboro on a map

But they have spent the money and draw the people...they have become a bigger team due to that. The originally were not.

The Bills and 49ers could do the same, but the Pats are smarter and do what is neccessary. I give them props for that.

[Dark Donnie]

I agree they are scary and can ruin some seasons. I just hope they don't do it to us. We get that at home, so we should have a major advantage (though the offense scares me since our defense sucks).



Want to be a bigger market team? Spend more money to draw people in. If you are not willing to do it, then don't whine about other people who will. Buffalo could be a bigger market team, they just are not willing to do what is neccessary to do so. That is their problem, not Bob Kraft's.

Buffalo will never be a big market....you can just create a big market. NY, Philly, LA....those are big markets. Until Buffalo gets a new stadium they can't generate more revenue so they can go out and sign FA and resign current ones. DO you think they really wanted to let Willis, Clements, Spikes, etc. go? They don't have the money to resign these guys so they have to rebuild there team through the draft each season.

Again enough with Bob Kraft I never stated anything against him nor the Patriots.

[Spider-Fan]

Buffalo will never be a big market....you can just create a big market. NY, Philly, LA....those are big markets. Until Buffalo gets a new stadium they can't generate more revenue so they can go out and sign FA and resign current ones. DO you think they really wanted to let Willis, Clements, Spikes, etc. go? They don't have the money to resign these guys so they have to rebuild there team through the draft each season.

Again enough with Bob Kraft I never stated anything against him nor the Patriots.

The Bills cap situation sucks, but they can become a better team. There is nothing wrong with being good from the draft. The Steelers have been a good team almost every year, and they bring in hardly any big names...in fact, I can't name 1 player they brought in outside of the draft and trades.

The Bills just are not as smart with their $$$ as the Steelers or other teams that use similar methods. If they were smarter, they would be better. I apply the same logic to my Browns. We could be at the Steelers level, but we were not as smart as them during the Butch Davis years. Only now are we being smart.

[kane9321]

Memphis........I REFUSE to believe that you are dumb enough to believe what you are spouting off in here.......

believe it...he has some kind of problems

49ers get rid of nolan, hostler..and that piece of crap receiver darrell jackson he ..sucks hard

[BlackLantern]

My point about New England is that they became successful...and by virtue of that success, increased their revenue stream dramatically....thus having the money to spend to bring in free agents, build the new stadium and all that good stuff....

[Showtime]

He has figured it out. They will dink and dunk and run more. But they will also get some looks down field on occasion. Meanwhile....our DEFENSE is holding us up. Manning doesn't have to take the whole thing on his shoulders anymore.

That doesn't make sense, he had to take the whole thing on his shoulders when he had better receivers but now that he doesn't have said receivers, he can lay back and let the TEAM as a whole do it for him? If anything he has even MORE PRESSURE now then he did previously. He has to carry the team along with ADDAI.

If you don't want me or others to act like Cauldwell and Gafney are practice team players, then don't act like they were Hall of Famers. Gafney was released by the Texans last year, and as I said, Cauldwell can barely make an NFL roster. Brady made them better, if you don't even watch football you can figure that out.

You make too many excuses, when I team or player is struggling they are struggling. Brady has struggled in the past. It's ok to admit your team is struggling or a player on the team you follow is struggling? You guys throw #4 under the bus because he is a former Patriot. What about #18? Nope, instead blame injuries.

[Spider-Fan]

^to BL's post

Plus, everyone wants to play for the team that has a chance to win a SB every year.

[Showtime]

the Pats are not in a big market.....People that live in Mass probably couldnt find Foxboro on a map, but they also have a great owner in Bob Kraft

?

The Patriots are now without a doubt a BIG MARKET team. In the past, no.

[BlackLantern]

Certainly now they are.....I've been to Foxboro back when I was in HS ....I won Pats tickets off a radio station contest, this was back when they had Bledsoe and were playing in Foxboro stadium....

[Mr. Socko]

Just about everyone in my family loves all this football, but I've never seen more than 3 minutes of a game.

[Showtime]

Certainly now they are.....I've been to Foxboro back when I was in HS ....I won Pats tickets off a radio station contest, this was back when they had Bledsoe and were playing in Foxboro stadium....

There were actually bleacher seats in the stadium man, I used to go every weekend. Tickets were so easy to come by.

[BlackLantern]

There were actually bleacher seats in the stadium man, I used to go every weekend. Tickets were so easy to come by.

This was back when you could walk up to the gate and get tickets....those times the stadium was 3 quarters full at best....Bleacher seats are inhumane....

[Showtime]

This was back when you could walk up to the gate and get tickets....those times the stadium was 3 quarters full at best....Bleacher seats are inhumane....

The best was when the games weren't even on television because there were not enough tickets sold.

[Dark Donnie]

The Bills cap situation sucks, but they can become a better team. There is nothing wrong with being good from the draft. The Steelers have been a good team almost every year, and they bring in hardly any big names...in fact, I can't name 1 player they brought in outside of the draft and trades..
But the difference is The Steelers usually draft the right players and resign there other current players.


The Bills just are not as smart with their $$$ as the Steelers or other teams that use similar methods. If they were smarter, they would be better. I apply the same logic to my Browns. We could be at the Steelers level, but we were not as smart as them during the Butch Davis years. Only now are we being smart.

That was kinda my point in the beginning. The Patriots have a great owner who spends money on important things like scouting and such, whereas there are other teams that are just looking to generate revenue, or have owners that simply can't make smart football decisions. That was what I was talking about in the beginning. Football to a degree has some watered down teams.

As for the Browns....Derek Anderson is saving my FF season. I hope to good they keep him and keep Quinn on the bench.

[Dark Donnie]

People better watch the Jags, and the Texans......they love screwing good teams at the end of the season........and they are notorious for it.

Texans defense is pretty damn good.

[Memphis Slim]

Texans defense is pretty damn good.


The AFC South is a mine field! :dry: I been telling you guys this all season.

[Kelly]

In my eyes, Montana is the best QB ever, but I must say, Brady is coming close to overtaking him. That man is amazing. And, he is still a young guy, with 3 rings already with a great chance at another this year. Simply amazing.

I totally agree with you, but I also believe that Brady will overtake Montana.....and will set records that will not be broken for another 3 decades....

[Dark Donnie]

Imagine if Brady had more weapons before this season....they may have won 5 Rings

[Kelly]

Imagine if Brady had more weapons before this season....they may have won 5 Rings


He's going to pretty much have this team for a few more years.....

[Memphis Slim]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/325201/0_61_vick_michael_07.jpg (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312207,00.html#)


Former Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick turned himself in to U.S. Marshals Monday to begin serving time on his sentence to be handed out in December for a dogfighting conspiracy charge.
Vick was transported from the U.S. Courthouse in downtown Richmond (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312207,00.html#), Va., to a regional facility.
Vick and his associates pleaded guilty over the summer to a federal dogfighting conspiracy charge. The pro-football player was suspended by the NFL (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312207,00.html#) and scheduled to be sentenced Dec. 10. He faces up to five years in prison.
Click here to read the report in The Virginian-Pilot. (http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2007-11-19-0239.html)
Vick's rural house that was a focus of the dogfighting case was recently sold by the fallen NFL player to a developer.
The developer planned to hold an open house of the Surrey County, Va., property before auctioning it off, according to The Virginian-Pilot, citing realtor Kyle Hause Jr., who has been involved in the deal.

[BlackLantern]

I wonder what his sentence will be.....this being a federal case and all

[Kelly]

I wonder what his sentence will be.....this being a federal case and all

The judge said he would probably give 12 to 18 months....

[BlackLantern]

so why are Dallas fans discounting the upcoming game with Green Bay??.....the Packers have a pretty decent QB, if you guys haven't heard.....some guy named Favre....

[Cmill216]

the Packers have a pretty decent QB, if you guys haven't heard.....some guy named Favre....

Who? :huh:

[Kelly]

so why are Dallas fans discounting the upcoming game with Green Bay??.....the Packers have a pretty decent QB, if you guys haven't heard.....some guy named Favre....


Please show me where I have done that....

I don't discount ANY GAME.......you have not read anything from saying they are in the SB this year.......I have no idea....

[BlackLantern]

Please show me where I have done that....

I don't discount ANY GAME.......you have not read anything from saying they are in the SB this year.......I have no idea....

I'm sorry Kel...I didnt mean you at all....I have 2 Dallas fans here in my office and various other people I've spoken too....most Dallas fans don't seem to notice that the Packers are waiting in the wings.....

[Kelly]

I'm sorry Kel...I didnt mean you at all....I have 2 Dallas fans here in my office and various other people I've spoken too....most Dallas fans don't seem to notice that the Packers are waiting in the wings.....


I'm not discounting them at all......Dallas is notorious for trying to skip through the last part of the season......especially if they are solidly in the lead in the NFC East.......I HATE THAT....about them.......and I especially hate the Thanksgiving Day Game.....even though its actually alot of fun for me because I love watching football with my family....but man they normally suck in the Thanksgiving games, and add that to the fact that they are playing the cheeseheads, makes me very uneasy. This game is ALL ABOUT homefield advantage....

[Dark Donnie]

Shawne Merriman

2005
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/MerrimanBeforeAfter.jpg
2007

[Fran]

I see no difference at all.

[cyborg ninja 14]

[QUOTE=Dark Donnie;13284589]Shawne Merriman

2005
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/MerrimanBeforeAfter.jpg
2007[/QUOTE

Is that first pic authentic? If so, goddamn.

[FaT_tONle]

As for the Browns....Derek Anderson is saving my FF season. I hope to good they keep him and keep Quinn on the bench.

Teams are never gonna give up the guy they drafted high without playing him first... they can trade back into the 1st round with a guy like Anderson... if he gets you to the playoffs keep him for another year... if not... trade him and continue the rebuilding process.

[FaT_tONle]

I'm not discounting them at all......Dallas is notorious for trying to skip through the last part of the season......especially if they are solidly in the lead in the NFC East.......I HATE THAT....about them.......and I especially hate the Thanksgiving Day Game.....even though its actually alot of fun for me because I love watching football with my family....but man they normally suck in the Thanksgiving games, and add that to the fact that they are playing the cheeseheads, makes me very uneasy. This game is ALL ABOUT homefield advantage....

Cowboys usually play well on Thanksgiving... they just ran into better football teams the days they have lost... Denver most notably... I know they lost to the Dolphins one year as well and at the time the Dolphins were a playoff caliber team... those are the only teams they have lost to on Thanksgiving in recent years. But they beat up on bad teams... They'll start off slow as usual against the Jets... but don't expect a tight game.

The December swoon is a concern... but they finish up on the road the last couple of weeks... and T.O will have that team up for Philly especially if they are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. Don't expect this team to fall to distractions even if they beat the Pack in a little over a week. The key is to avoid injuries on the O-line and secondary. Gotto have homefield though. Pack should be favored if they are at home.

[Dark Donnie]

[QUOTE=Dark Donnie;13284589]Shawne Merriman

2005
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/MerrimanBeforeAfter.jpg
2007[/QUOTE

Is that first pic authentic? If so, goddamn.

Yes....it was posted on Profootball talk.

[Fran]

He was suspended last year after they beat the Rams.

[BlackLantern]

so Fran was it a decent football weekend for you?

[dr venture]

He needs to take those steroids again cause Maurice-Jones Drew leveled him

[Fran]

Terrific weekend in general.

Choked up on Saturday night after the MSU win.

[BlackLantern]

UConn just went Division 1 a couple years ago so its good to see them getting better....they have West Virginia coming up....

[Fran]

MSU's win meant so much to me. It was a huge sigh of relief.

[BlackLantern]

now do they wait for a bowl invitation or how does it work in their conference??

[Kelly]

Cowboys usually play well on Thanksgiving... they just ran into better football teams the days they have lost... Denver most notably... I know they lost to the Dolphins one year as well and at the time the Dolphins were a playoff caliber team... those are the only teams they have lost to on Thanksgiving in recent years. But they beat up on bad teams... They'll start off slow as usual against the Jets... but don't expect a tight game.

The December swoon is a concern... but they finish up on the road the last couple of weeks... and T.O will have that team up for Philly especially if they are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. Don't expect this team to fall to distractions even if they beat the Pack in a little over a week. The key is to avoid injuries on the O-line and secondary. Gotto have homefield though. Pack should be favored if they are at home.

They have won more than they have lost....but they never really play well....it seems they usually have other things on their minds, and they are a fairly young team.......so distractions are a problem.....as far as the 2 Bronco games, those were what 2 point games....one being OT I believe so I would say they were even.....

I THINK the last time they played the Packers on a Thanksgiving Day game they won.....so hopefully history repeats itself.....:hyper: which would give us homefield advantage, and would make me very happy.....

[BlackLantern]

Dallas has the Jets on Thanksgiving and Green Bay plays the Lions....Dallas/Green Bay is the following Thursday night

[Kelly]

Dallas has the Jets on Thanksgiving and Green Bay plays the Lions....Dallas/Green Bay is the following Thursday night


Oh thats right...duh.........I'm doing several things here.....and I suck at multi-tasking.....WELL.....the Jets will definitely be an easier game.....but that sometimes ends being a downfall because you go in thinking easy win. WELL, THEN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LIONS.....lol:woot: I can't tell ya who won the last Thanksgiving Day game between the Lions and Packers...lol

Edit: Lioins won the last Thanksgiving Game with Green Bay in 2003

[Fran]

now do they wait for a bowl invitation or how does it work in their conference??

They are waiting for a phone to ring to be invited to a bowl.

No more games left to play besides that one.

[Kelly]

They are waiting for a phone to ring to be invited to a bowl.

No more games left to play besides that one.

They'll get one......bowls love great fans, and they have solid fans....

[Kaleb]

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -- NFL officials are investigating whether Green Bay Packers players offered payments to teammates for achieving specific defensive goals.

League rules prohibit teams and players "from offering or accepting bonuses to a player for his or his team's performance against a particular team, a particular opposing player or players, or a particular group of an opposing team."

League spokesman Greg Aiello confirmed the investigation Monday.

ESPN reported that Packers defensive backs offered to pay the team's defensive linemen $500 each if there were able to hold Minnesota running back Adrian Peterson under 100 yards rushing two weeks ago, and another $500 for holding Carolina to under 60 yards rushing as a team on Sunday.

Peterson was held to 45 yards rushing before he left the Vikings' Nov. 11 loss to the Packers with an injury. But the Panthers rushed for 131 yards in Sunday's loss to Green Bay.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Monday morning he was not aware of the situation, but had not yet spoken to general manager Ted Thompson.

"I have no knowledge of that," McCarthy said. "I have not been made aware of that. I haven't talked to Ted today, so if it's something that happened this morning, we have not spoken."

Packers players were not available to the media on Monday after their 31-17 victory over Carolina.

[Fran]

They'll get one......bowls love great fans, and they have solid fans....

Thanks Kel. Really appreciated :yay:

Yeah, most MSU fans are great, level-headed, unlike our neighbors in Ann Arbor.

Plus, MSU has fans all over the country, and every ABC game this year got great ratings, plus the games were competitive too.

I can't wait for a bowl game.

[Advanced Dark]

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -- NFL officials are investigating whether Green Bay Packers players offered payments to teammates for achieving specific defensive goals.

League rules prohibit teams and players "from offering or accepting bonuses to a player for his or his team's performance against a particular team, a particular opposing player or players, or a particular group of an opposing team."

League spokesman Greg Aiello confirmed the investigation Monday.

ESPN reported that Packers defensive backs offered to pay the team's defensive linemen $500 each if there were able to hold Minnesota running back Adrian Peterson under 100 yards rushing two weeks ago, and another $500 for holding Carolina to under 60 yards rushing as a team on Sunday.

Peterson was held to 45 yards rushing before he left the Vikings' Nov. 11 loss to the Packers with an injury. But the Panthers rushed for 131 yards in Sunday's loss to Green Bay.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Monday morning he was not aware of the situation, but had not yet spoken to general manager Ted Thompson.

"I have no knowledge of that," McCarthy said. "I have not been made aware of that. I haven't talked to Ted today, so if it's something that happened this morning, we have not spoken."

Packers players were not available to the media on Monday after
their 31-17 victory over Carolina.

It's not like it's gambling. Why is that not allowed?

[BlackLantern]

It's not like it's gambling. Why is that not allowed?

Its considered headhunting and the NFL frowns upon that sort of thing....I think if the players do something among themselves like that its fine...but the coaches shouldnt be involved...

[Advanced Dark]

Posted: 11/18/2007
Young has edge in matchup of sophomore quarterbacks

http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/kirwansmall.jpg By Pat Kirwan | NFL.com



Titans-Broncos is the matchup of two young first-round quarterbacks from the class of 2006. Vince Young (http://www.nfl.com/players/vinceyoung/profile?id=YOU617196) has four come-from-behind wins in his short career and Jay Cutler (http://www.nfl.com/players/jaycutler/profile?id=CUT288111) has three. Cutler has a big strong arm and Young can beat you with his legs. The Titans like to remind Young not to forget his legs in critical situations and the Broncos like to remind Cutler to be smart about taking risks.
Both teams want to run the ball, but Tennessee is doing it more often than the Broncos. The Titans will call between 35 and 40 run plays in a game like this and keep the passing down around 20-25 plays. Denver used to be known as a great running team but injuries to Travis Henry (http://www.nfl.com/players/travishenry/profile?id=HEN669935) and game circumstances have changed their run-pass ratio. Mike Shanahan will go to the pass 33-35 times and run it 24-26 times. What makes it tough for his team is the fact that the Titans are a top 10 team in every critical defensive category except sacks, so I expect more pass than run.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/v_young_071014_IA.jpgAl Messerschmidt / Getty ImagesTitans QB Vince Young thrives under the spotlight of prime-time games.
Both teams are on the negative side in turnovers (Tennessee is minus-1; Denver minus-5), which is typical with young quarterbacks. Neither team is in the top half of the NFL in red-zone efficiency, which is also understandable. The strength of the Broncos is supposed to be the corners, Champ Bailey (http://www.nfl.com/players/champbailey/profile?id=BAI582194) and Dre Bly, but the receivers are not the strength of the Titans. They have relied upon a very physical defense, a power running game and a big play or two from Young to get to a 6-3 record. The Broncos are still searching for a defense and finally won their first game of the year last week without Jason Elam (http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonelam/profile?id=ELA548409) having to kick the winning field goal.
If you like the Titans, these points are for you

1. Vince Young is 6-3 as a starter on the road in his career.
2. Tennessee has won its last two Monday night road games.
3. The Tennessee defense has only allowed one 100-yard rusher this season.
4. Tennessee is the No. 2 defense in the NFL.
5. Tennessee is the fourth-ranked rushing team and Denver is 31st against the run.
6. Denver has already lost at home to San Diego, Jacksonville, Green Bay scoring a combined 30 points in those games.
If you like the Broncos, these points are for you

1. Shanahan is 10-4 at home on Monday night.
2. Denver is fifth in the NFL in third-down offense.
3. Cutler is a top 5 QB in clutch pass situations (converting third downs into first downs or TDs).
4. Young has only thrown 1 TD pass in his last five games.
5. Selvin Young (http://www.nfl.com/players/selvinyoung/profile?id=YOU577758) filled in well at RB last week with 109 yds on the ground.
Key matchups

1. Tennessee LT Michael Roos (http://www.nfl.com/players/michaelroos/profile?id=ROO644042) vs. Denver RE Elvis Dumervil (http://www.nfl.com/players/elvisdumervil/profile?id=DUM179959): Roos is a big, powerful tackle who does well against power rushers. This week, however, he faces the 5-foot-11 Dumervil, who features excellent speed and quickness. Dumervil leads the team with 8 sacks and has an excellent "get-off." The noise level in Denver could slow Roos' get-off, which would help Dumervil. Look for the Titans to run the ball at the undersized speed rusher to wear him out.
2. Tennessee DE Kyle Vanden Bosch (http://www.nfl.com/players/kylevandenbosch/profile?id=VAN378810) vs. Denver LT Matt Lepsis (http://www.nfl.com/players/mattlepsis/profile?id=LEP528552): Vanden Bosch is the heart and soul of the Titans front four. If Albert Haynesworth (http://www.nfl.com/players/alberthaynesworth/profile?id=HAY746506) can play on his injured hamstring next to Vanden Bosch, than Lepsis is all alone on the DE. Vanden Bosch leads the NFL in knocking the QB down and makes the stunt calls for the defensive line. He can be very hard to block on the twist stunt and his motor runs hot for 60 minutes.
3. Titans LDEs Antwan Odom (http://www.nfl.com/players/antwanodom/profile?id=ODO051141)/Travis LaBoy (http://www.nfl.com/players/travislaboy/profile?id=LAB705651) vs. Denver RT Eric Pears: Pears needs help against this tandem of defensive ends. They have 9 sacks between them and play a very physical style of defense. Pears will hope for the bootleg pass to his side to slow the aggressiveness down, but it may not be enough.
4. Tennessee CB Cortland Finnegan (http://www.nfl.com/players/cortlandfinnegan/profile?id=FIN524193) vs. Denver WR Brandon Marshall (http://www.nfl.com/players/brandonmarshall/profile?id=MAR370922): With the injuries to Javon Walker (http://www.nfl.com/players/javonwalker/profile?id=WAL209632) and Rod Smith, Marshall is the go-to guy for Cutler. Marshall will line up in a number of spots but the 6-foot-4 receiver has a height advantage against either corner. Finnegan is an underrated player and this is his opportunity to shine. He needs an effective pass rush up front to rattle Cutler or Marshall will add to his 51 receptions.
5. Tennessee RB LenDale White (http://www.nfl.com/players/lendalewhite/profile?id=WHI329850) vs. Denver WLB Ian Gold (http://www.nfl.com/players/iangold/profile?id=GOL024253): White returns home to Denver and wants to have a big game against one of the worst run defenses in the NFL. Last week the big back had his streak of 100-yard games broken at three. Gold is a very quick linebacker who will be free to get over the top and chase down White on all the strong-side running plays. Denver gives up 4.8 yards per rush and if Gold and the rest of the front seven don't slow down White, it will be a long night for Denver.
Week 11: (http://www.nfl.com/scores?season=2007&week=Week+11)
Sunday, Nov. 18
» Tampa Bay 31, Atlanta 7 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29339&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» Cleveland 33, Baltimore 30 (OT) (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29340&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» N.Y. Giants 16, Detroit 10 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29351&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» Philadelphia 17, Miami 7 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29350&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» Minnesota 29, Oakland 22 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29348&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» Jacksonville 24, San Diego 17 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29347&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» Arizona 35, Cincinnati 27 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29342&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» Green Bay 31, Carolina 17 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29344&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» Houston 23, New Orleans 10 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29345&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» Indianapolis 13, Kansas City 10 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29346&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» N.Y. Jets 19, Pittsburgh 16 (OT) (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29349&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» Seattle 30, Chicago 23 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29353&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» St. Louis 13, San Francisco 9 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29352&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» Dallas 28, Washington 23 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29343&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
» New England 56, Buffalo 10 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29341&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11)
Monday, Nov. 19
» Tennessee at Denver (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29354&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11), 8:30 p.m. (ESPN)

When Denver has the ball

Denver can be a Jekyll-and-Hyde offense. The Broncos scored 31 points against a fine Steelers defense the week after they generate 3 points at home against the Chargers. They have scored 21 or more three times but 14 or less five times. They need to get back to Broncos football and run for 150 yards. They average more than 4 yards on first down, among the top 10 in the league in that category, but they are not really a very good big-play team -- especially if Henry can't go. Where they can hurt you is on the strong arm of Cutler with the 20-yard out routes and curls. The guy might have the strongest arm in the league. He better know where Titans linebacker Keith Bulluck (http://www.nfl.com/players/keithbulluck/profile?id=BUL690063) is at all times because he leads his team in interceptions and has a great feel for reading the QB and jumping routes.
The Titans defense needs Haynesworth as much as the Denver offense needs Henry. Haynesworth could be the best inside defender in the NFL right now. When you watch him on videotape he almost looks unblockable, and Cutler will struggle if he is on the field. The most impressive two things about the Tennessee defense are that they can get after the QB without blitzing and they are great after their offense turns the ball over. They will rarely get beat in a sudden change situation.
When Tennessee has the ball

Young had his best day throwing the ball as a pro last week with 257 yards, but scoring points off the passing game is another story. He only throws a touchdown pass once every 48 attempts. I don't think he's going to put it up 48 times against the Broncos corners so his efficiency is going to have to improve. There's no way the Titans can watch the Broncos defense and not be excited about pounding the run game right at them all night long. Teams play the Broncos and average 151 yards on the ground. White gets his 20 carries and a healthy Chris Brown gets his 15.
Head coach Jeff Fisher will be very happy to play the field position game all night long and take field goals if he has to. Tennessee leads the NFL in drives that end in field goals and if his punter can keep putting the Broncos on a long field, it will work as a winning formula.
Denver safety John Lynch returns to the lineup but it's hard to imagine him being able to spy on Young and when I went back and looked at Young on the road during his short career, it's clear he will take off and run when he has to. Young averages 5 yard a carry in his nine road games and his come-from-behind wins are usually with his feet. If the Broncos corners turn and run with the receivers in man coverage like they like to do, then it doesn't leave many great athletes to handle Young. I expect a classic big play late in the game from the Titans QB.
Conclusion

I talk with a number of Tennessee players who realize the Titans don't get to many shots on the national stage of a Monday night game. Bulluck will have the defense all fired up, White has his homecoming party and I will never forget Young in the national championship game in college. The Titans are in the playoffs if the season ended today and the Broncos are desperate to climb back into the race. I think the Titans squeeze out a low-scoring win by a field goal and send Denver's playoff dreams in the wrong direction.



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I don't think this will be a low scoring game. I think this game will finally show the Titans offense break out. Everyone's looking at White to have a big game but I think Chris Brown (if healthy) will have a HUGE game and they'll keep him in and let White in on the short yardage plays. Titans could have 200 yards rushing or more tonight.

[Ironhide]

Well, another disappointing season for me in the NFL because our QB seems (or is a bust) & the coach does not have any clue on how to run the team. On top of everything the owner is a cheapo. 49ERS:csad:

[BlackLantern]

I have this weird feeling about Vince Young.....like a Culpepper vibe is coming off of him or something.....

[Advanced Dark]

^ No way. Vince is being controlled by Chow and Fisher and they tighened the reigns around him too tight. They need to loosen up and let him do his thing and win games on offense too. If they'd give him some room they'd be winning more games and by larger margins. Losing Haynesworth killed them last week. Yeah he's only one player but he is The Hulk.

[BlackLantern]

having seen a couple interviews with Vince Young, I'm just not believing that he is the future.....he comes off as a dumb hick who, if he wasnt playing football, would be coaching Pee Wee football and working at Wal-Mart or something

[Kelly]

Actually I have a couple of friends that went to school with him......he's actually a very intelligent young man from their description....

[Excel]

Who si better Moss or T.O.?

[BlackLantern]

Who's to know....his career is just getting started

[Advanced Dark]

having seen a couple interviews with Vince Young, I'm just not believing that he is the future.....he comes off as a dumb hick who, if he wasnt playing football, would be coaching Pee Wee football and working at Wal-Mart or something

It must suck knowing that a dumb hick has made more money by the age of 24 than you'll see in your entire life. LOL This is in reality his first full year as a starter and he's got a pretty good winning %.

[Memphis Slim]

Shawne Merriman

2005
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/MerrimanBeforeAfter.jpg
2007

Man....:dry: He didn't get to Peyton one time. Those hormones.....:csad: Wow.....

[Fran]

Who si better Moss or T.O.?

I like T.O. better.

But that's a trap question: If I answer T.O., you'll say, "Why did the Ptriots beat tem in dallas then?"

[Advanced Dark]

Who si better Moss or T.O.?

That's a tough one. I guess just look at the stats but to me their both on the same level. Moss has a better QB and team behind him. What'd he do for Oakland? TO has performed everywhere he's been. Remember when he was with San Fran in that one game against Dallas and after he scored he ran out to the Dallas Star at mid-field. I'd love to see that video again. I think I'd rather have TO on most teams, but Moss is a great fit in NE.

[Advanced Dark]

I like T.O. better.

But that's a trap question: If I answer T.O., you'll say, "Why did the Ptriots beat tem in dallas then?"

Because the Pats are a better team with a better QB. As a reciever though I'm with you.

[Memphis Slim]

That argument is so full of ****. This isn't college football where you have a game like Ohio State vs Akron. There is no such thing as a "scrub" team in the NFL. All of them are highly trained professionals. The best in the world. Miami can beat New England any day of the week. St. Louis can beat Indianapolis any day of the week. And as New York proved last night, a 1-8 team can beat Pittsburgh, the second ranked AFC team (before last night) any day of the week. The fact is, New England has been playing amazing football and as much as you'd like to trivialize it, its not like they are playing CFL teams.

Pros or not....there are doormats in every sport at every level. The Pats seem to have three in the AFC East. :yay:

[FaT_tONle]

I just looked at the schedule and am clueless as to how the Pats get two Sunday Night's in a row... seriously who the hell schedules this crap... Pats Bills was a waste... and I don't know if this Eagle game could have been protected by FOX/CBS or whether is was on NBC to begin with but two Sunday Night's in a row is inexcusable... I know they can't get Pitt, N.E... I would have taken N.E NYJ if I was NBC for week 15... that would have been a kick ass prime time matchup. I have some eerie feeling the Jets will be competetive... maybe too competetive... I am thinking 31-17 ish N.E if they played right now. That Jets are always written off as the worst team in the NFL with teams among similar records when they have 4-12 years like this... and they are penciled in as Superbowl favorites when they have an 11-5 year or better... just a weird franchise.

[Jerry!]

Pros or not....there are doormats in every sport at every level. The Pats seem to have threel in the AFC East. :yay:[/quote]

Which is why all of Pittsburgh's losses have been to teams they should have crushed this year right? Just stop right now before it gets any worse.

[omid17]

God i love the Patriots

[BlackLantern]

I just looked at the schedule and am clueless as to how the Pats get two Sunday Night's in a row... seriously who the hell schedules this crap... Pats Bills was a waste... and I don't know if this Eagle game could have been protected by FOX/CBS or whether is was on NBC to begin with but two Sunday Night's in a row is inexcusable... I know they can't get Pitt, N.E... I would have taken N.E NYJ if I was NBC for week 15... that would have been a kick ass prime time matchup. I have some eerie feeling the Jets will be competetive... maybe too competetive... I am thinking 31-17 ish N.E if they played right now. That Jets are always written off as the worst team in the NFL with teams among similar records when they have 4-12 years like this... and they are penciled in as Superbowl favorites when they have an 11-5 year or better... just a weird franchise.

like I said last night...Pats = Ratings regardless of their opponents....New England is part of the NY TV market....NBC wants people to watch....no one is going to watch Detroit v. Jacksonville

[Showtime]

Man....:dry: He didn't get to Peyton one time. Those hormones.....:csad: Wow.....

I know right? That is an incredible difference.

[Memphis Slim]

Pros or not....there are doormats in every sport at every level. The Pats seem to have threel in the AFC East. :yay:

Which is why all of Pittsburgh's losses have been to teams they should have crushed this year right? Just stop right now before it gets any worse.[/QUOTE]

Good greif!!

What I said doesn't negate the "any given Sunday" rule! Geez..it's feast or famine with you guys!

There are teams in every sport that are perrenial doormats........or have been......The Clippers, The Arizona Cards, the Cubs, the Royals.... The Bengals, the Browns.


But, any good team can come in over-confident, unprepared.......any scrub can come in so tired of hearing the media and the public saying they have no chance.......

But some teams have been snake bit for long stretches. some year after year.....some have success and drop off and come back. Some keep a winning formula.

Is anything I'm saying not true or do you just want to argue? :dry:

[BlackLantern]

Look at the years of futlility with the Pats before Belichick....Parcells got the Pats some success but they were long suffering.....

[Jerry!]

What the **** are you saying then? Because I can never tell. The Colts aren't better than the Patriots, I'm sorry but there is no more arguing that.

[Memphis Slim]

Look at the years of futlility with the Pats before Belichick....Parcells got the Pats some success but they were long suffering.....


Look how long it took the Colts!

[BlackLantern]

I think the point is that yes some teams have always sucked, but it doesnt mean they cant beat a powerhouse....Look at the Golden State Warriors last year...or look at the Steelers Super Bowl season 2 years ago...no one had picked the Steelers to go to the SB....

[FaT_tONle]

like I said last night...Pats = Ratings regardless of their opponents....New England is part of the NY TV market....NBC wants people to watch....no one is going to watch Detroit v. Jacksonville

Just why two weeks in a row is beyond me... Buff is not exactly the greatest market. Seattle Chicago should have been the game they picked. Chicago is a decent market... and no way in hell Fox protected that. If NBC had any forsight they would have picked Pats/Jets... that was THE story from day one in the season with the whole Spygate... and who was responsible for all of it... Mangini... NBC could have easily opted out of that if the Pats fell to Pitt... but I am really looking forward to that matchup... its probably on my top five games remaining. Say yeah but it would have been 76 -10 instead of 56-10... but I will disagree... Jets could keep that competitive like they did againt Pitt.

[Memphis Slim]

What the **** are you saying then? Because I can never tell. The Colts aren't better than the Patriots, I'm sorry but there is no more arguing that.
Why not?

Peyton had only 4 bullets......

Brady had all 6 of his......

Even James Brown on CBS said that he wished the teams had faced at full strentgh. But even with that we had them down 2 scores. If Gonzales was harrison, no dropped TD and 3 scores down. A whole different thing.

We will see in Foxboro come January. :dry: :yay:

[Showtime]

Look how long it took the Colts!

I still embraced the Harbaugh era!

[Fran]

Celldog = Cloverfield.

[Memphis Slim]

I think the point is that yes some teams have always sucked, but it doesnt mean they cant beat a powerhouse....Look at the Golden State Warriors last year...or look at the Steelers Super Bowl season 2 years ago...no one had picked the Steelers to go to the SB....


That's all I'm saying. :yay:

[omid17]

i heard vick is serving 10 months in jail

[Memphis Slim]

I still embraced the Harbaugh era!


Me too!! That's when things started turning around!

[BlackLantern]

If someone had told you, at the beginning of the 2001 NFL season, that the New England Patriots would be going to the Super Bowl with, at the time, a no name quarterback, replacing regular starter Drew Bledsoe....you would have called them retarded

[Memphis Slim]

If someone had told you, at the beginning of the 2001 NFL season, that the New England Patriots would be going to the Super Bowl with, at the time, a no name quarterback, replacing regular starter Drew Bledsoe....you would have called them retarded

Bingo!

But it happened.....

[Fran]

Especially saying that the QB was from U-M :o

And especially saying that they would beat the Rams :csad:

[Showtime]

Me too!! That's when things started turning around!

No doubt. They were one pass away from beating Pittsburgh man. That game was awesome. :csad:

[Showtime]

If someone had told you, at the beginning of the 2001 NFL season, that the New England Patriots would be going to the Super Bowl with, at the time, a no name quarterback, replacing regular starter Drew Bledsoe....you would have called them retarded

Agreed man. Drew was a GOD around here.

[BlackLantern]

Especially saying that the QB was from U-M :o

And especially saying that they would beat the Rams :csad:

I thought at the time that, yea this Brady kid is good, but they won't beat The Greatest Show on Turf.....

Fran I'm sorry....that must have been extremely painful...your team beaten by a Wolverine

[Jerry!]

Why not?

Peyton had only 4 bullets......

Brady had all 6 of his......

Even James Brown on CBS said that he wished the teams had faced at full strentgh. But even with that we had them down 2 scores. If Gonzales was harrison, no dropped TD and 3 scores down. A whole different thing.

We will see in Foxboro come January. :dry: :yay:

We can play the scenario game all day long if you to start with all the "what if" bull****. What you are doing with the Colts, the same thing could be done with the Patriots in that game. They played about a quarter and a half of the way they usually play and came out with the win. The bottom line is Peyton has trouble winning without his star players. Whatever it is, he just doesn't seem to be able to make players around him better. He has trouble when everything isn't perfect.

[Showtime]

I think the Pats vs Rams & Rams vs Titans were two of the most entertaining Super Bowls.

[BlackLantern]

Agreed man. Drew was a GOD around here.

That he was....the Pats fans in CT loved him during his years there, they were so happy to finally have a decent QB...especially their games against Marino and the Dolphins

[Fran]

I thought at the time that, yea this Brady kid is good, but they won't beat The Greatest Show on Turf.....

Fran I'm sorry....that must have been extremely painful...your team beaten by a Wolverine

It hurt on many more than one level.

:csad::csad::csad::csad::csad::csad::csad:

[Memphis Slim]

No doubt. They were one pass away from beating Pittsburgh man. That game was awesome. :csad:


They show that on NFL Films sometimes!

Greg Lloyd was awesome!

Jimmy was so gutsy in that game!! Indy still loves the guy.

[Showtime]

. The bottom line is Peyton has trouble winning without his star players. Whatever it is, he just doesn't seem to be able to make players around him better. He has trouble when everything isn't perfect.

That is my point as well. I want Manning to step it up and stop sulking on the sidelines.

[BlackLantern]

I think the Pats vs Rams & Rams vs Titans were two of the most entertaining Super Bowls.

I watched Rams v Titans with my Dad and as football fans we were both ecstatic with watching a competitve Super Bowl for the first time in years...

[Showtime]

I watched Rams v Titans with my Dad and as football fans we were both ecstatic with watching a competitve Super Bowl for the first time in years...

I think those two Superbowls made things exciting again. I was routing for the Rams over the Titans, I loved it.

[Spiderine]

Why not?

Peyton had only 4 bullets......

Brady had all 6 of his......

Even James Brown on CBS said that he wished the teams had faced at full strentgh. But even with that we had them down 2 scores. If Gonzales was harrison, no dropped TD and 3 scores down. A whole different thing.

We will see in Foxboro come January. :dry: :yay:
One could probably say the same thing for the Patriots in the AFC championship last year. Dropped passes in the endzone probably hurt them from winning. Things could have turned out different as well. There will always be "What ifs". What if this guy played, What if he didn't miss that field goal, What if he hadn't dropped this pass, What if the ref hadn't made that bad call. No one ever knows what the outcome could have been despite the better chances of having one player or another. Interceptions and fumbles can change the game in a heartbeat. We have seen it time and time again.

[Spiderine]

I watched Rams v Titans with my Dad and as football fans we were both ecstatic with watching a competitve Super Bowl for the first time in years...
Yes and it broke my heart.:csad:

[BlackLantern]

Yes and it broke my heart.:csad:

1 more yard...huh?

[TheRunningMan]

heymemphis slim remember when the steelers beat the colts in the playoffs 2 years ago? and the only reason the colts were still in the game was because of the officiating? and when joey porter kicked manning's ass?

[Spiderine]

1 more yard...huh?
Yes, Dyson is still stretching.

[Memphis Slim]

That is my point as well. I want Manning to step it up and stop sulking on the sidelines.


Never seen Brady sulk when they've lost or are losing?? I know this Galactic season has given you guys amnesia. But I remember seeing him sulk at Denver 2 years ago. Last year in Miami......The RCA dome this past February.

Champions want to win. They frown when not winning. Now some may look cooler doing it than others......:whatever: :oldrazz:
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2006/12/10/topper-patriots.jpg
http://patriotsfanblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/tom.jpg
Peyton does look goofy......I'll give you that.
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/nfl/2005/1103/photo/u_manning_195.jpg

[Spiderine]

I watched Rams v Titans with my Dad and as football fans we were both ecstatic with watching a competitve Super Bowl for the first time in years...
I thought the second half of the Pats and Panthers was pretty good.

[Jerry!]

Never seen Brady sulk when they've lost or are losing?? I know this Galactic season has given you guys amnesia. But I remember seeing him sulk at Denver 2 years ago. Last year in Miami......The RCA dome this past February.

Champions want to win. They frown when no winning. Now some may look cooler doing it than others......:whatever: :oldrazz:


Peyton does look goofy......I'll give you that.

No its not that. Its that Peyton has trouble winning when everything isn't perfect for him on offense, Brady doesn't.

[Spiderine]

Dammit. No Haynesworth tonight.

[Advanced Dark]

No Haynesworth? It's not critical yet so they're probably being ultra careful as they don't want to lose him for the season. They won't need him if they keep the offense on the field for long drives.

[Spiderine]

No Haynesworth? It's not critical yet so they're probably being ultra careful as they don't want to lose him for the season. They won't need him if they keep the offense on the field for long drives.
They will probably be able to survive without him against the hapless Broncos. But yeah, they will definitely need him down the stretch. We are competing against Cleveland and Jville for a spot.

[BlackLantern]

Am I the only one that thinks Jay Cutler is a lot better than people think?

[Spiderine]

Am I the only one that thinks Jay Cutler is a lot better than people think?
I actually do. The Broncos are just a banged up squad like many teams in the league right now.

[Showtime]

Never seen Brady sulk when they've lost or are losing?? I know this Galactic season has given you guys amnesia. But I remember seeing him sulk at Denver 2 years ago. Last year in Miami......The RCA dome this past February.

Champions want to win. They frown when not winning. Now some may look cooler doing it than others......:whatever: :oldrazz:


Peyton does look goofy......I'll give you that.


You're missing the point, Manning needs to stop throwing towels and hanging his head and start playing like Peyton Manning. I remember Brady doing the same thing, especially when he sucked it up in Denver, I had the same things to say to him. Peyton had that same look when the Patriots went through the Colts twice...to get to the Superbowl. :cwink:

Just wipe the crybaby look off your face and play football.

[Alex The Great]

10 down.....6 to go :hyper::up:

[omid17]

10 down.....6 to go :hyper::up::yay:

[TheRunningMan]

take this memphis slim

http://www.post-gazette.com/images3/20060116pd_manning_hit_fbnPJ_230.jpghttp://www.oiskas.com/uploads/joey-proter-tackling-payton-manning_th.jpg
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[NewYorkSpider]

I think the Pats vs Rams & Rams vs Titans were two of the most entertaining Super Bowls.

Panthers vs Patriots. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Showtime]

Panthers vs Patriots. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Another fantastic game.

[Matt]

No its not that. Its that Peyton has trouble winning when everything isn't perfect for him on offense, Brady doesn't.

Bingo!

[Matt]

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/nfl/2005/1103/photo/u_manning_195.jpg

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[Memphis Slim]

I actually do. The Broncos are just a banged up squad like many teams in the league right now.


You're not allowed to say that on this board. :yay:

[Memphis Slim]

You're missing the point, Manning needs to stop throwing towels and hanging his head and start playing like Peyton Manning. I remember Brady doing the same thing, especially when he sucked it up in Denver, I had the same things to say to him. Peyton had that same look when the Patriots went through the Colts twice...to get to the Superbowl. :cwink:

Just wipe the crybaby look off your face and play football.


Like this? :cwink:

http://patriotsfanblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/tom.jpg

[Memphis Slim]

Another fantastic game.
http://www.clipartguide.com/_small/0060-0510-2416-4537.jpg

By the end of the 1st quarter.

[Memphis Slim]

take this memphis slim

http://www.post-gazette.com/images3/20060116pd_manning_hit_fbnPJ_230.jpghttp://www.oiskas.com/uploads/joey-proter-tackling-payton-manning_th.jpg

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It always takes that...........
TO GET TO THIS!! :woot:
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[Showtime]

Like this? :cwink:

http://patriotsfanblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/tom.jpg

Yeah...but that's probably because he threw 4 TDs instead of 5. :dry:

[Showtime]

http://www.clipartguide.com/_small/0060-0510-2416-4537.jpg

By the end of the 1st quarter.

That's me after an order of buffalo wings.

[Kelly]

I don't see crybaby's in either of those pics.....I see two top quality professionals that are mad at themselves, and thinking about the next time they touch the football.

[Showtime]

You're not allowed to say that on this board. :yay:

He didn't get the memo.

[Spiderine]

Which team will Brady throw his record breaking touchdown on?

[Showtime]

I don't see crybaby's in either of those pics.....I see two top quality professionals that are mad at themselves, and thinking about the next time they touch the football.

Stop trying to be rational!

:yay:

[Showtime]

Which team will Brady throw his record breaking touchdown on?

I am not even thinking of that right now, nor am I thinking undefeated.

[Spiderine]

I don't see crybaby's in either of those pics.....I see two top quality professionals that are mad at themselves, and thinking about the next time they touch the football.
:up:

[Memphis Slim]

I don't see crybaby's in either of those pics.....I see two top quality professionals that are mad at themselves, and thinking about the next time they touch the football.


That's what I see too.....I'm just goofin' around with Showtime.

[NewYorkSpider]

The refs just made a horrible call.

[FaT_tONle]

The refs just made a horrible call.

Titans got the 3 on Shannahan's idiocity.... icing Boronas on a 56 yarder... it evens out the horrible call that the replay guys upstairs flat out missed...

[Showtime]

That's what I see too.....I'm just goofin' around with Showtime.

We can do that. :up:

[Immortalfire]

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[FaT_tONle]

We can play the scenario game all day long if you to start with all the "what if" bull****. What you are doing with the Colts, the same thing could be done with the Patriots in that game. They played about a quarter and a half of the way they usually play and came out with the win. The bottom line is Peyton has trouble winning without his star players. Whatever it is, he just doesn't seem to be able to make players around him better. He has trouble when everything isn't perfect.

Bottom line is... Colts win that game with Harrison and Clark that's all there is too it. Give the guy a break... he is the one setting up his protection... he doesn't exactly have pro bowlers on his O-line. He is the one calling the audibles... he puts his players in position to make plays... and they make them... so now Manning gets no credit because he looks like a bum under pressure? Yeah who doesn't... Brady's protection has been unbelievable year in and year out... I think the O-line was the most instrumental thing to the success of the Pat team in 03 along with that defense. 2004 Brady really took a step into all time greatness... but then again so did Manning in 2006. I think it was even going into this year. But now with these unbelievable weapons Brady has, he is slowly separating himself... but the Colts at full strength right now and we could be talking about them going undefeated.

[SurfDUI]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f85/30643/SINFL2007_Colts4crop.jpg


HEY NOW:hyper: :up:

[The Game]

you could have a competitive game between cleveland and houston and no one in a large metropolitan tv market is going to give a ****...its like back in the late nineties when dallas was all over MNF and the sunday night game...People like to watch winners

Basically

[NewYorkSpider]

So a New England win and a Buffalo loss clinches them the divison I'm guessing?

[Kelly]

So a New England win and a Buffalo loss clinches them the divison I'm guessing?


Yes, and pretty much home field as well.....so they get it all....

[Showtime]

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Best batch yet. :wow:

[The Game]

Wow Vince Young really wants to be like Vick, he even has trash WR's to boot

[SurfDUI]

Yea, I'm going to need Vince to lose-
Titans haven't come far along enough to get ahead of Jax
AFC South is way to tight.

[Excel]

That's a tough one. I guess just look at the stats but to me their both on the same level. Moss has a better QB and team behind him. What'd he do for Oakland? TO has performed everywhere he's been. Remember when he was with San Fran in that one game against Dallas and after he scored he ran out to the Dallas Star at mid-field. I'd love to see that video again. I think I'd rather have TO on most teams, but Moss is a great fit in NE.

Dallas is just as good of a fit for T.O. as N.E. is for Moss. How did T.O. do with Drew Bledsoe?

In all honesty I would go with Moss. Owens without a doubt is better after the catch; speed is too close to call; but Moss has much better hands and body ability. I.E. Those touchydown where Brady just throws jumps balls T.O. couldn't do. At the same time; Moss isn't as physical.

Who would I rather if I had a young qb and needed a reciever to help him out?

Moss; because recievers are there to CATCH; which Moss does greast while T.O led the nfl in drops. Throw the ball anywhere in Moss's zipcode and he'll catch it; Owens doesnt have that ability.

Baically; Moss can just about all the plays Owens can; but Owens cannot make nearly as many as Moss; he just doesnt have the hands. Dont get me wrong; T.O. has great hands; bnut Moss's are like a huge net; a vaccuum that sucks in the ball.

[Excel]

Btw Lendale White is such a bus; Young, Cutler and Marshall all appear to be future fantasy stars.

[BlackLantern]

Cutler is on my FF team and has been fantastic all year....except the one game where he went out.......but he's tearing ass tonight

[Ghostrider87]

I'll hand it to the Broncos they prevented the Titans from coming through when it mattered the most and then again the no catches like the Williams one before the half and any others add in the turnovers and not scoring all tds continue to be what prevents the Titans from winning. Hannesworth is suppose to be back the next game so at least I don't have to wait another game for Big Albert to start giving the opponents problems again

[Advanced Dark]

Why can't the Titans "D" do anything without Hayneworth. The Titans offense was doing just fine except for those 2 critical dropped balls. However their Defense did NOTHING until the 4th quarter. Did it take 7 quarters to finally gel without Haynesworth? Jesus. I thought Young did great and last INT was a desperation throw so whatever. Oh well we're 6-4 and playing Cincy next. Haynesworth will be back for sure next week. Whew!

[Showtime]

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[Bond]

God I hope GB loses to the Lions on Thursday.

There's no way in hell it'll happen though.

[SurfDUI]

Favre's destine this season:o . You can't stop that.
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[Memphis Slim]

you cant stop destine???


I know Destine........Destine Johnson. Went to highschool with her back in the day. :yay: :woot:

[Jerry!]

Bottom line is... Colts win that game with Harrison and Clark that's all there is too it. Give the guy a break... he is the one setting up his protection... he doesn't exactly have pro bowlers on his O-line. He is the one calling the audibles... he puts his players in position to make plays... and they make them... so now Manning gets no credit because he looks like a bum under pressure? Yeah who doesn't... Brady's protection has been unbelievable year in and year out... I think the O-line was the most instrumental thing to the success of the Pat team in 03 along with that defense. 2004 Brady really took a step into all time greatness... but then again so did Manning in 2006. I think it was even going into this year. But now with these unbelievable weapons Brady has, he is slowly separating himself... but the Colts at full strength right now and we could be talking about them going undefeated.

I'm not saying he isn't a great QB, he is. One of the best. But in that game he just couldn't get it done when it mattered and Brady did. We've seen Manning's best year ever when he had his weapons and he set the all time TD record. Now we are seeing Brady's best year and he is on pace to blow out Peyton's. Peyton turned the ball over on the decisive possession against the Patriots, he couldn't get it done when the game was on the line, thats the bottom line. When things aren't perfect for Manning, if somebody is hurt or whatever, he has trouble, Brady does not.

[FaT_tONle]

I know Destine........Destine Johnson. Went to highschool with her back in the day. :yay: :woot:

Was she hot???

On my point... Titans are in deep *****z.... they still got SD, @ KC, @ Indy although Indy could be locked into the two spot at that point which would help. Clevland's toughest game is @ Arizona... so you get my point. What is the first tie breaker for teams tied for a wildcard in separate divisions? I believe its conference games or is it common games... which include the Jets/Texans/Bengals/Raiders... so obviously huge games coming up.

[FaT_tONle]

I'm not saying he isn't a great QB, he is. One of the best. But in that game he just couldn't get it done when it mattered and Brady did. We've seen Manning's best year ever when he had his weapons and he set the all time TD record. Now we are seeing Brady's best year and he is on pace to blow out Peyton's. Peyton turned the ball over on the decisive possession against the Patriots, he couldn't get it done when the game was on the line, thats the bottom line. When things aren't perfect for Manning, if somebody is hurt or whatever, he has trouble, Brady does not.

2007's Moss/Welker/Stallworth >>> 2004's Harrison/Wayne/Stokely

Plus you are basing Manning's career off that performance... "he never get's it done when it matters or he never gets it done when everything isn't perfect"... he obviously has been getting it done with half his team out.

[Jerry!]

I'm not saying he can't, I'm saying he has trouble. Brady led his team and won 3 Superbowls with receivers that maybe besides Branch, you would never know about otherwise. I mean honestly, and I don't want to take anything away from the guy but I pretty much am, before coming to the Patriots, who the **** is Wes Welker?

[Memphis Slim]

Timetable on Harrison's Return for Colts Remains Uncertain
Polian says receiver's knee is stable, healing, but inflammation keeps him sidelined


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Indianapolis Colts (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/SPORTS03/711200413#) president Bill Polian said Monday that Pro Bowl wide receiver Marvin Harrison's injured left knee is sound, stable and mechanically functional, describing it as a "minor sprain" along with a "pretty big blow" to the bursa sac.
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But until the inflammation recedes there is one thing to do: wait.
"It's healing," Polian said. "Mother nature heals at her own rate."
Coupled with injuries on the offensive line, Harrison's absence has been increasingly glaring of late, including in Sunday's 13-10 win over Kansas City. The Colts had a season-low 163 passing yards, part of a downward trend since Harrison was injured in Week 4 vs. Denver.
Polian could offer no timetable for the 12th-year veteran's return. Nor could coach Tony Dungy (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/SPORTS03/711200413#).
"We're hoping for this week," Dungy said. "Realistically, maybe Jacksonville (on Dec. 2), but we'll see."
Polian did offer the most detailed explanation yet on the injury, which occurred when Harrison's knee was hit from behind while he was blocking for running back Joseph Addai (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/SPORTS03/711200413#).
Polian said the bursa sac "burst and it got fluid all over the knee. That's it, simple as that. The ligaments are fine. The bursa is healed up. The inflammation hasn't gone down."
The bursa is a fluid-filled sac that functions to reduce friction at points where muscles and tendons glide over bone.
Polian said Harrison's injury is different from the knee injury that sidelined safety Bob Sanders for 12 weeks last season, but the effect is not. In the case of both players, Polian said, the trauma of the injury caused the knee capsule, a complex of fibrous material, tendons and ligaments that surround the inner joint, to become irritated and inflamed.
That debilitating irritation and inflammation can linger long after the injury has healed.
"For a player who makes his living with his legs, i.e. Bob and (Harrison), and he more than Bob to a certain degree, if you don't have your wheels, you're not there," Polian said.
"It's coming. He told me today it's the best it's felt in a while. So we're all hopeful and he certainly has not had any setbacks. The arrow is up. But in terms of can I tell you when it's going to be? No, I can't. He can't. No one can."
Polian resolutely refuted a report of a couple weeks ago that characterized Harrison's knee injury as chronic and even career threatening.
Harrison was not available for comment. He has missed five of the six games since his injury, playing about half the offensive snaps in the Colts' sixth game at Jacksonville, where he caught three passes for 16 yards.
His absence has been exacerbated by injuries to wide receivers Anthony Gonzalez (hand) and Aaron Moorehead (back) and tight ends Dallas Clark (concussion) and Bryan Fletcher (calf).
In the six games since Harrison was injured, Reggie Wayne, the Colts' other Pro Bowl wide receiver, has caught 42 passes for 638 yards and three touchdowns. The other six wide receivers and tight ends combined have caught 60 passes for 567 yards.
Harrison normally occupied a cornerback and at least some of a safety's attention. Teams played their safeties deep to prevent the over-the-top pass to Harrison.
More recently, a safety has been cheating up to help out on the Colts' running game. The Colts have rushed for 75 and 72 yards the past two weeks against San Diego and Kansas City. Those are season lows.
"We did get a lot more single safety and a lot more of them coming down into the box," Dungy said of the Colts' victory over Kansas City.
"If that's the case, then it's always been that we've got to throw and force people to double-cover our outside guys."
That would be a lot easier if Harrison were one of the outside guys.

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Yep.....injuries don't matter......:whatever:

[FaT_tONle]

I'm not saying he can't, I'm saying he has trouble. Brady led his team and won 3 Superbowls with receivers that maybe besides Branch, you would never know about otherwise. I mean honestly, and I don't want to take anything away from the guy but I pretty much am, before coming to the Patriots, who the **** is Wes Welker?

The second coming of Wayne Cherbet except even quicker and niftier... I knew this after seeing him catching balls from Cleopatra over in Miami.

And it sort of takes a team to win a Superbowl... if Manning had a defense some of those years the outcome may have been different... now the defense if finally coming along and they pulled even with the Pats up until now... its just a shame the the injuries are going to derail them this year... I don't see how you can argue that if the Colts were close to 100% they'd most likely be undefeated. You can't diminish the impact a Harrison/Clark combo would have had in the N.E/S.D games.

[Jerry!]

What are we to say that Harrison would have had an impact? What other games that he has played has he had a great impact on this season? Theres no way he could have had a bad game, its for sure he would have been game changing? I don't buy those excuses.

[FaT_tONle]

What are we to say that Harrison would have had an impact? What other games that he has played has he had a great impact on this season? Theres no way he could have had a bad game, its for sure he would have been game changing? I don't buy those excuses.

There are no excuses for blowing a ten point lead like that... Colts didn't get it done that's all there is too it. But the idea that the Pats are just so far and ahead away of the Colts in almost every facet of the game is nonsense... I don't buy Brady being so far and ahead above a Manning... not yet. Moss is bailing Brady out with some of these throws. All I am saying is that if Manning had a Harrison/Wayne/Gonzalez AND a left tackle the Colts would be having almost as much success as the Pats have had this season.

[BlackLantern]

Jay Cutler baby.....Im so happy I grabbed him in Fantasy football

[kane9321]

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OHHH MY:wow:

[Jerry!]

There are no excuses for blowing a ten point lead like that... Colts didn't get it done that's all there is too it. But the idea that the Pats are just so far and ahead away of the Colts in almost every facet of the game is nonsense... I don't buy Brady being so far and ahead above a Manning... not yet. Moss is bailing Brady out with some of these throws. All I am saying is that if Manning had a Harrison/Wayne/Gonzalez AND a left tackle the Colts would be having almost as much success as the Pats have had this season.

He's led the Patriots to 3 Superbowl wins with half the offense that Peyton has. Now that he has good weapons on offense, we are seeing what he can really do. What other way can you say it, he is on pace to blow by Manning's record. What more will it take? If the Patriots finish the season like it looks like they will, Brady goes down as the best QB to play the game already and he still have a while left to go in his career. We are watching history in the making. Theres only a few times that something like this comes along where you know you are watching something incredible in sports. Brady and the Patriots are one of them.

[El ASESINO]

Why all this talk about who is going to win the Super Bowl? We all know that the Cowboys are going to win it all.





GO COWBOYS!

[Showtime]

Timetable on Harrison's Return for Colts Remains Uncertain
Polian says receiver's knee is stable, healing, but inflammation keeps him sidelined


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Indianapolis Colts (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/SPORTS03/711200413#) president Bill Polian said Monday that Pro Bowl wide receiver Marvin Harrison's injured left knee is sound, stable and mechanically functional, describing it as a "minor sprain" along with a "pretty big blow" to the bursa sac.
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But until the inflammation recedes there is one thing to do: wait.
"It's healing," Polian said. "Mother nature heals at her own rate."
Coupled with injuries on the offensive line, Harrison's absence has been increasingly glaring of late, including in Sunday's 13-10 win over Kansas City. The Colts had a season-low 163 passing yards, part of a downward trend since Harrison was injured in Week 4 vs. Denver.
Polian could offer no timetable for the 12th-year veteran's return. Nor could coach Tony Dungy (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/SPORTS03/711200413#).
"We're hoping for this week," Dungy said. "Realistically, maybe Jacksonville (on Dec. 2), but we'll see."
Polian did offer the most detailed explanation yet on the injury, which occurred when Harrison's knee was hit from behind while he was blocking for running back Joseph Addai (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/SPORTS03/711200413#).
Polian said the bursa sac "burst and it got fluid all over the knee. That's it, simple as that. The ligaments are fine. The bursa is healed up. The inflammation hasn't gone down."
The bursa is a fluid-filled sac that functions to reduce friction at points where muscles and tendons glide over bone.
Polian said Harrison's injury is different from the knee injury that sidelined safety Bob Sanders for 12 weeks last season, but the effect is not. In the case of both players, Polian said, the trauma of the injury caused the knee capsule, a complex of fibrous material, tendons and ligaments that surround the inner joint, to become irritated and inflamed.
That debilitating irritation and inflammation can linger long after the injury has healed.
"For a player who makes his living with his legs, i.e. Bob and (Harrison), and he more than Bob to a certain degree, if you don't have your wheels, you're not there," Polian said.
"It's coming. He told me today it's the best it's felt in a while. So we're all hopeful and he certainly has not had any setbacks. The arrow is up. But in terms of can I tell you when it's going to be? No, I can't. He can't. No one can."
Polian resolutely refuted a report of a couple weeks ago that characterized Harrison's knee injury as chronic and even career threatening.
Harrison was not available for comment. He has missed five of the six games since his injury, playing about half the offensive snaps in the Colts' sixth game at Jacksonville, where he caught three passes for 16 yards.
His absence has been exacerbated by injuries to wide receivers Anthony Gonzalez (hand) and Aaron Moorehead (back) and tight ends Dallas Clark (concussion) and Bryan Fletcher (calf).
In the six games since Harrison was injured, Reggie Wayne, the Colts' other Pro Bowl wide receiver, has caught 42 passes for 638 yards and three touchdowns. The other six wide receivers and tight ends combined have caught 60 passes for 567 yards.
Harrison normally occupied a cornerback and at least some of a safety's attention. Teams played their safeties deep to prevent the over-the-top pass to Harrison.
More recently, a safety has been cheating up to help out on the Colts' running game. The Colts have rushed for 75 and 72 yards the past two weeks against San Diego and Kansas City. Those are season lows.
"We did get a lot more single safety and a lot more of them coming down into the box," Dungy said of the Colts' victory over Kansas City.
"If that's the case, then it's always been that we've got to throw and force people to double-cover our outside guys."
That would be a lot easier if Harrison were one of the outside guys.

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Yep.....injuries don't matter......:whatever:

He needs to get back in there...:csad:

[Memphis Slim]

Truer words were never spoken.

[Spider-Fan]

He's led the Patriots to 3 Superbowl wins with half the offense that Peyton has. Now that he has good weapons on offense, we are seeing what he can really do. What other way can you say it, he is on pace to blow by Manning's record. What more will it take? If the Patriots finish the season like it looks like they will, Brady goes down as the best QB to play the game already and he still have a while left to go in his career. We are watching history in the making. Theres only a few times that something like this comes along where you know you are watching something incredible in sports. Brady and the Patriots are one of them.

Agreed. People can say what they want about the Pats, but what they have done is amazing and this level of play is something I really appreciate watching. I have had more trouble scoring in video games than this team does in real life. That is rediculous.

[Memphis Slim]

Agreed. People can say what they want about the Pats, but what they have done is amazing and this level of play is something I really appreciate watching. I have had more trouble scoring in video games than this team does in real life. That is rediculous.
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[Mee]

(their schedule)
I don't get why you keep going back to that.:huh: They beat the Colts and the Cowboys, two of the best teams in the league. What, do they have to beat the Packers too before you accept that they're a great team? :huh:

[Showtime]

I don't get why you keep going back to that.:huh: They beat the Colts and the Cowboys, two of the best teams in the league. What, do they have to beat the Packers too before you accept that they're a great team? :huh:

Mee FTW.

[Cmill216]

I won't respect the Patriots until they play every divsion leader in the league.......on the road.......twice.

[cyborg ninja 14]

God bless ESPN, a segment on "what will prison be like for Michael Vick?" I mean do they really need to go out of their way to tell us that it'll be prison beatings and rape?

[Dark Donnie]

Pac Man at it again?

Report: Pacman, Haynesworth in altercation

Titans coach Jeff Fisher confirmed that the team is looking into an apparent weekend altercation between suspended CB Pacman Jones and injured DT Albert Haynesworth

The incident allegedly took place in Nashville prior the Titans departing for Denver, though a police spokesman said no altercation was reported, but they would look into the matter. Haynesworth made the trip, but was ultimately ruled inactive, while Jones continues to serve his one-year suspension. This won't help Jones' chances of returning to the team. Nov. 20 - 12:21 pm et
Source: Nashville Tennessean

[Matt]

I don't see why people make such a big deal out of Harrison's injury. Is he a great reciever? Undoubtedly. Should the Colts really be struggling so much because of one reciever? Hell no.

Hell, they shouldn't be struggling that much because of five or six injuries. They are the Superbowl champions for godsakes. If they are really so dependent on those injured players then the organization has a whole different level of problems than losing a couple of games.

[Memphis Slim]

I won't respect the Patriots until they play every divsion leader in the league.......on the road.......twice.


And they have not played any division leaders except the Cowboys and Colts.

[Matt]

And they have not played any division leaders except the Cowboys and Colts.

Cmill was being sarcastic.

[Mee]

And they have not played any division leaders except the Cowboys and Colts.
Who are the best. (and the Packers) :huh:

Do you really think they have to beat the Bucs or Chargers to prove themselves? The Seahawks?

God bless you Memphis. :heart:

[cyborg ninja 14]

Am I the only one that thinks Jay Cutler is a lot better than people think?

I'm with you on that. If you've seen Mallrats, he is Victorious Jay
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[Jerry!]

And they have not played any division leaders except the Cowboys and Colts.

Ah, the tears of a clown.

[Matt]

Also, I'd like to re-post this point by Jerry, because it is absolutely excellent and sums up Peyton Manning perfectly.

No its not that. Its that Peyton has trouble winning when everything isn't perfect for him on offense, Brady doesn't.

[Memphis Slim]

I don't see why people make such a big deal out of Harrison's injury. Is he a great reciever? Undoubtedly. Should the Colts really be struggling so much because of one reciever? Hell no.

Hell, they shouldn't be struggling that much because of five or six injuries. They are the Superbowl champions for godsakes. If they are really so dependent on those injured players then the organization has a whole different level of problems than losing a couple of games.



Okay Matt.....maybe Tony Dungy needs to explain it to you again.......


Harrison normally occupied a cornerback and at least some of a safety's attention. Teams played their safeties deep to prevent the over-the-top pass to Harrison. (got that Matt?) :yay:
More recently, a safety has been cheating up to help out on the Colts' running game. (understand that Matt?) The Colts have rushed for 75 and 72 yards the past two weeks against San Diego and Kansas City. Those are season lows.
"We did get a lot more single safety and a lot more of them coming down into the box," Dungy said of the Colts' victory over Kansas City.
"If that's the case, then it's always been that we've got to throw and force people to double-cover our outside guys."
That would be a lot easier if Harrison were one of the outside guys.

[Shoemeister]

Cowboys, baby. Cowboys. :up:

[Dark Donnie]

I don't see why people make such a big deal out of Harrison's injury. Is he a great reciever? Undoubtedly. Should the Colts really be struggling so much because of one reciever? Hell no.

Hell, they shouldn't be struggling that much because of five or six injuries. They are the Superbowl champions for godsakes. If they are really so dependent on those injured players then the organization has a whole different level of problems than losing a couple of games.

Any team would struggle if you were missing your best D Lineman, arguabley your #1 WR, TE, and starting LT....plus other injuries I haven't mentioned. You can't draft stud backups at every position to step right in.

[Matt]

Harrison normally occupied a cornerback and at least some of a safety's attention. Teams played their safeties deep to prevent the over-the-top pass to Harrison. (got that Matt?) :yay:
More recently, a safety has been cheating up to help out on the Colts' running game. (understand that Matt?) The Colts have rushed for 75 and 72 yards the past two weeks against San Diego and Kansas City. Those are season lows.
"We did get a lot more single safety and a lot more of them coming down into the box," Dungy said of the Colts' victory over Kansas City.
"If that's the case, then it's always been that we've got to throw and force people to double-cover our outside guys."
That would be a lot easier if Harrison were one of the outside guys.

Sure, it would be easier, whats your point? It shouldn't be making or breaking a football team. The absence of one player should not give you a near loss to one of the worst teams in the NFL (Or as you would call them a "Scrub" team. Hell, at least New England CAN run up points on "Scrub teams"). I'd hate to think of what would've became of the Colts if Larry Johnson were playing.

[Matt]

Any team would struggle if you were missing your best D Lineman, arguabley your #1 WR, TE, and starting LT....plus other injuries I haven't mentioned. You can't draft stud backups at every position to step right in.

Perhaps, but they should still have enough depth to make up for the loss of one reciever and two linemen.

Injuries are not an excuse to lose. It is why teams have 2nd string and 3rd string. Are they preferrable, no. Can they win games? Well, when the rest of your team is a super bowl contender they sure as hell should.

[Memphis Slim]

Sure, it would be easier, whats your point? It shouldn't be making or breaking a football team. The absence of one player should not give you a near loss to one of the worst teams in the NFL (Or as you would call them a "Scrub" team. Hell, at least New England CAN run up points on "Scrub teams"). I'd hate to think of what would've became of the Colts if Larry Johnson were playing.



The Point (that you don't want to see) is how important one man can be!! Especially if he is a World Class receiver that defenses have to respect. Marvin is out! Defenses can now be more aggressive. That changes everything.

As I said before. None of what Brady is doing now happens without Moss. Let him go down and see what happens.

[Matt]

The Point (that you don't want to see) is how important one man can be!! Especially if he is a World Class receiver that defenses have to respect. Marvin is out! Defenses can now be more aggressive. That changes everything.

SURE! IT CHANGES A LOT! I GET THAT! They as a professional football team however, should be able to adapt and not have their entire offense fall apart over one injury. It is just like Jerry said, Manning cannot win when his conditions are not perfect.


As I said before. None of what Brady is doing now happens without Moss. Let him go down and see what happens.

Brady has shown what has happened when he does not have good recievers. He makes the AFC championship and wins Superbowls. :oldrazz: (How could you not have seen that coming? :cwink:)

[Jerry!]

The Point (that you don't want to see) is how important one man can be!! Especially if he is a World Class receiver that defenses have to respect. Marvin is out! Defenses can now be more aggressive. That changes everything.

As I said before. None of what Brady is doing now happens without Moss. Let him go down and see what happens.

He's won Superbowls without the likes of Moss, Stallworth, Marvin Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, Dallas Clark. He has led the way to 3 championships without any players of the caliber of talent on offense that I listed. You're absolutely right, a great QB needs great receivers to set passing records, like Manning did when he set it a few years back. Now that Brady has that talent, he is going to blow past that record, which pretty much is the only thing Manning has on him.

The main difference between Manning and Brady is Manning NEEDS that caliber of talent in order to be successful, Brady does not.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I think part of Manning's problems relate to a weaker offensive line than the Patriots have. Also if you notice how the Pats and Colts run their offense, it seems that the Pats are better coached, and the coordinators are superior when it comes to formations, routes, ect.

Another factor that comes in to play would be the amount of Audibles that Manning calls every game. Is it possible that occasionally doing that too many times might cause a bit of confusion as far as getting on the same page with the offense? I'd be interested if there's a way to determine Manning's success when calling plays out of the air like that.

Brady appears prepared like a mother****er for every game. Now unless you discount the cameragate controversy, Brady definently has more awareness of his surroundings than Manning, cause his checkdowns are lighting fast, and he and Moss as well as the other recievers are almost always on the same page.

So injuries have definently limited the Colts' offensive partly because of Harrison, because he and Manning have that awareness similar to how Brady and Moss run these days. What I wonder however is that why Manning only seems to have this with Harrison and not the other recievers? Perhaps Wayne isn't as savvy as Marvin when it comes to running routes. But it appears that Harrison, (and Stoakley for that matter) were the guys that Manning always seems to know where he is on the field.

So in a weird roundabout way, Brady is a better QB than Manning because of the way he and the rest of the offense are seemingly in exact symmetry every down of every play. While Manning himself is a great QB as well, I find a bit of constant overanalysis all the time from him, hence the constant audibles, which might not be the most effective way to run an offense with the lack of talent level he has this year. Case Closed. Let's all get to back to Cowboy/Favre bashing people

[Cmill216]

I'm going to use the following reply to defend Slim's quarterback. *shock*

Here goes....

I think part of Manning's problems relate to a weaker offensive line than the Patriots have.

I have to call BS on that one.

The Colts offensive line is just as good as New England's, and quite honestly, they've been better than New England's since the Colts/Pats run of the past few years.

I saw that line against a good Bucs defense open up huge holes for friggin' Kenton Keith and give Manning all day to throw to cats like Anthony Gonzalez.

Also if you notice how the Pats and Colts run their offense, it seems that the Pats are better coached, and the coordinators are superior when it comes to formations, routes, ect.

The Patriots offense utilizes more formations and personnel groups than the Colts, but that doesn't make them better coached or their coordinators any more superior. The Colts offense isn't overly complex in design, but Manning and Moore's 3 Play Check-With-Me scheme is friggin' brilliantly orchestrated. There aren't many people who can pull off a scheme like theirs.

Another factor that comes in to play would be the amount of Audibles that Manning calls every game.

Those aren't necessarily audibles that Manning calls. Again, as I stated earlier, the Colts use a scheme in which they come to the line in a base formation with multiple plays called in by Tom Moore.

Dice Right Slant Blunt Check With Me Alert Base 80 Basic

Manning reads the defense and checks into the best play available. All of that 'nonsense' he does at the LOS is by design, not just him going crazy with audibles.

Is it possible that occasionally doing that too many times might cause a bit of confusion as far as getting on the same page with the offense?

Confusion? Just because they've struggled a bit this season due to injuries doesn't cloud everything they've accomplished as an offense over the past few years. The scheme works.

I'd be interested if there's a way to determine Manning's success when calling plays out of the air like that.

He does it nearly every play. So yeah, he's had success doing it.

Brady appears prepared like a mother****er for every game.

So is Manning.

Brady definently has more awareness of his surroundings than Manning, cause his checkdowns are lighting fast, and he and Moss as well as the other recievers are almost always on the same page.

I think Brady is the better quarterback. But all of the things you just listed, Manning does just as well, IMO. His timing with Harrison and Wayne over the past five or so years is the stuff of legends.

So injuries have definently limited the Colts' offensive partly because of Harrison, because he and Manning have that awareness similar to how Brady and Moss run these days. What I wonder however is that why Manning only seems to have this with Harrison and not the other recievers? Perhaps Wayne isn't as savvy as Marvin when it comes to running routes. But it appears that Harrison, (and Stoakley for that matter) were the guys that Manning always seems to know where he is on the field.

:huh:

Wayne has been just as important and effective to the Colts as anyone on that offense since his arrival. Manning has a terrific relationship with him, as well.

So in a weird roundabout way, Brady is a better QB than Manning because of the way he and the rest of the offense are seemingly in exact symmetry every down of every play.

Before this season, and before injuries tore apart his offense, Manning and the Colts receivers were the epitome of symmetry. I think people's memories are shot right now. :huh:

Case Closed

Natta.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Just preaching to the choir, that's all:o I could care less about the "Brady vs. Manning" argument. They're both great and play on excellent teams.

Yes, I know I had faulty arguments. Thank you for explicitly pointing that out.

[FaT_tONle]

Why all this talk about who is going to win the Super Bowl? We all know that the Cowboys are going to win it all.





GO COWBOYS!

Lets worry about clinching the division and securing homefield first.

[Matt]

I'm gonna make a crazy prediction.

Detroit upsets Dallas this Thursday.

[FaT_tONle]

Also, I'd like to re-post this point by Jerry, because it is absolutely excellent and sums up Peyton Manning perfectly.

Manning haters still can't get over it... If I can get over it... you people can too...

[Matt]

Manning haters still can't get over it... If I can get over it... you people can too...

Well it was a very good point that Jerry made.

[Erzengel]

I'm gonna make a crazy prediction.

Detroit upsets Dallas this Thursday.

You mean Green Bay? :huh:

[FaT_tONle]

Well it was a very good point that Jerry made.

To you... that was a ridiculous comment to me. You guys talk like Brady is under fire every game... that is obviously not the case.

[Matt]

You mean Green Bay? :huh:

Opps. yep.

Another crazy prediction:

NEW YORK WILL UPSET DALLAS!

[cyborg ninja 14]

I'm gonna make a crazy prediction.

Detroit upsets Dallas this Thursday.

Detroit definently has a legimate chance...against the Packers.

[Matt]

To you... that was a ridiculous comment to me. You guys talk like Brady is under fire every game... that is obviously not the case.

No, he is not, but he has the best comeback percentage in the NFL. He has proven to be amazing when down in the 4th quarter...and he has won 3 super bowls with 3 average offenses.

[cyborg ninja 14]

No, he is not, but he has the best comeback percentage in the NFL. He has proven to be amazing when down in the 4th quarter...and he has won 3 super bowls with 3 average offenses.

Is there such a stat as "comeback percentage"?

[Erzengel]

Opps. yep.

Another crazy prediction:

NEW YORK WILL UPSET DALLAS!
I can't trust your predictions when you can't even get the teams straight.

:csad:

[Matt]

Is there such a stat as "comeback percentage"?

Actually, yes. Brady has the highest percentage of comebacks when down in the 4th quarter or something to that extent. I heard it during one of the broadcasts last season.

[FaT_tONle]

I saw that line against a good Bucs defense open up huge holes for friggin' Kenton Keith and give Manning all day to throw to cats like Anthony Gonzalez.

Wait... so now we are using the Bucs defensive line as the barometer? Did Sapp and Rice come back to the Bucs or something? I'll give you the Colts O-line came together last year... but they have had just too many injuries this year and it isn't fair to compare it to the Pats o-line at this moment.

[Erzengel]

After the Colts game this Thursday, they will have 10 days for some of their players to get off the DL coming into what seems like an easy last 5 games.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Actually, yes. Brady has the highest percentage of comebacks when down in the 4th quarter or something to that extent. I heard it during one of the broadcasts last season.

Sounds an awful lot like "clutch" or something like it.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I'm going to use the following reply to defend Slim's quarterback. *shock*

Here goes....



I have to call BS on that one.

The Colts offensive line is just as good as New England's, and quite honestly, they've been better than New England's since the Colts/Pats run of the past few years.

I saw that line against a good Bucs defense open up huge holes for friggin' Kenton Keith and give Manning all day to throw to cats like Anthony Gonzalez.



The Patriots offense utilizes more formations and personnel groups than the Colts, but that doesn't make them better coached or their coordinators any more superior. The Colts offense isn't overly complex in design, but Manning and Moore's 3 Play Check-With-Me scheme is friggin' brilliantly orchestrated. There aren't many people who can pull off a scheme like theirs.



Those aren't necessarily audibles that Manning calls. Again, as I stated earlier, the Colts use a scheme in which they come to the line in a base formation with multiple plays called in by Tom Moore.



Manning reads the defense and checks into the best play available. All of that 'nonsense' he does at the LOS is by design, not just him going crazy with audibles.



Confusion? Just because they've struggled a bit this season due to injuries doesn't cloud everything they've accomplished as an offense over the past few years. The scheme works.



He does it nearly every play. So yeah, he's had success doing it.



So is Manning.



I think Brady is the better quarterback. But all of the things you just listed, Manning does just as well, IMO. His timing with Harrison and Wayne over the past five or so years is the stuff of legends.



:huh:

Wayne has been just as important and effective to the Colts as anyone on that offense since his arrival. Manning has a terrific relationship with him, as well.



Before this season, and before injuries tore apart his offense, Manning and the Colts receivers were the epitome of symmetry. I think people's memories are shot right now. :huh:



Natta.

Guess you didn't take well to my best Bill Simmons impersonation.

[Cmill216]

Wait... so now we are using the Bucs defensive line as the barometer? Did Sapp and Rice come back to the Bucs or something? I'll give you the Colts O-line came together last year... but they have had just too many injuries this year and it isn't fair to compare it to the Pats o-line at this moment.

No, I wasn't using them as a barometer.

But the Bucs defense is in the top ten in nearly every statistical category in the league, and yet I watched the Colts offensive line pick up every blitz, stunt, and pressure package Tampa threw at them. You take away the injuries they've had this year, and the Colts line is just as good as New England's offensive line, which was the point of the original argument.

[FaT_tONle]

No, he is not, but he has the best comeback percentage in the NFL. He has proven to be amazing when down in the 4th quarter...and he has won 3 super bowls with 3 average offenses.

Lemme guess... a John Madden stat? Tell me you are joking when you heard that stat... or at least tell me the broadcaster who came up with that one.

[Cmill216]

Guess you didn't take well to my best Bill Simmons impersonation.

:dry:

[FaT_tONle]

No, I wasn't using them as a barometer.

But the Bucs defense is in the top ten in nearly every statistical category in the league, and yet I watched the Colts offensive line pick up every blitz, stunt, and pressure package Tampa threw at them. You take away the injuries they've had this year, and the Colts line is just as good as New England's offensive line, which was the point of the original argument.

I am not totally disagreeing but I don't put any credence at all into those stats... the Bucs schedule has been a joke.

And people say the Pats have played tough games... I don't think Dallas in week 6 is a huge barometer... everyone knows the Cowboy defense is a bend but don't break defense at best. And again they barely beat the Colts... what has their next toughest game been? The 6-4 Clevland Browns? Who could easily be 4-6 at this point... lets see them put 40 points up on Jacksonville, Pitt, S.D, K.C, Denver on the road... too bad we won't find out.

[Memphis Slim]

He's won Superbowls without the likes of Moss, Stallworth, Marvin Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, Dallas Clark. He has led the way to 3 championships without any players of the caliber of talent on offense that I listed. You're absolutely right, a great QB needs great receivers to set passing records, like Manning did when he set it a few years back. Now that Brady has that talent, he is going to blow past that record, which pretty much is the only thing Manning has on him.

The main difference between Manning and Brady is Manning NEEDS that caliber of talent in order to be successful, Brady does not.


But he had the lights out Defense that Manning never had until now!!

[Memphis Slim]

Matt: Brady has shown what has happened when he does not have good recievers. He makes the AFC championship and wins Superbowls. :oldrazz: (How could you not have seen that coming? :cwink:)


I meant that without Moss, there would not be thesely unearthly numbers and stats we've seen this year! Yes...they would still win games. But not like they've been doing.

[Cmill216]

I am not totally disagreeing but I don't put any credence at all into those stats... the Bucs schedule has been a joke.

I wouldn't call it a joke. 6 of their 10 games have been against teams that are currently .500 or better. Not to mention their bye week not coming til friggin' Week 10.

And in the games against their apparently weaker division opponents (two on the road) they completely dominated like a good team should.

[Memphis Slim]

I think part of Manning's problems relate to a weaker offensive line than the Patriots have. Also if you notice how the Pats and Colts run their offense, it seems that the Pats are better coached, and the coordinators are superior when it comes to formations, routes, ect.

Easy to say that when all of your pieces are there, isn't it?


Another factor that comes in to play would be the amount of Audibles that Manning calls every game. Is it possible that occasionally doing that too many times might cause a bit of confusion as far as getting on the same page with the offense? I'd be interested if there's a way to determine Manning's success when calling plays out of the air like that.

His audibles show just how prepared he is.

Brady appears prepared like a mother****er for every game. Now unless you discount the cameragate controversy, Brady definently has more awareness of his surroundings than Manning, cause his checkdowns are lighting fast, and he and Moss as well as the other recievers are almost always on the same page.

He didn't look so sure against Indy when he got sacked on the opening play. It does all start up front. And when you have enuff time to do your taxes, like he does, you're going to look "prepared" even if you aren't. As you stated, even the Colts O-Line is banged up.


So injuries have definently limited the Colts' offensive partly because of Harrison, because he and Manning have that awareness similar to how Brady and Moss run these days. What I wonder however is that why Manning only seems to have this with Harrison and not the other recievers? Perhaps Wayne isn't as savvy as Marvin when it comes to running routes. But it appears that Harrison, (and Stokley for that matter) were the guys that Manning always seems to know where he is on the field.

Perhaps you don't watch enuff Colts games.

So in a weird roundabout way, Brady is a better QB than Manning because of the way he and the rest of the offense are seemingly in exact symmetry every down of every play.[/COLOR] While Manning himself is a great QB as well, I find a bit of constant overanalysis all the time from him, hence the constant audibles, which might not be the most effective way to run an offense with the lack of talent level he has this year. Case Closed. Let's all get to back to Cowboy/Favre bashing people


Because everybody is healthy. I just don't get how you dismiss the missing pieces of the machine.

[Jerry!]

I meant that without Moss, there would not be thesely unearthly numbers and stats we've seen this year! Yes...they would still win games. But not like they've been doing.

You're right but you are missing the main point. If Manning didn't have Harrison and Wayne he wouldn't have set the TD record. But the difference is that Brady doesn't need those guys to win championships, Manning does. Its not really a knock on Manning as much as it sounds like it is, Brady is just going to end up as the best QB that ever played. Thats basically why that argument exists. To separate the two.

[BlackLantern]

I think if it was any other team besides the Pats that were dominating this much. Memphis wouldnt be constantly running them down. Not to mention that the record set by Peyton is probably going to be broken by Brady within the next month or so......so its extra salt in the wound for Memphis Slim...

and you can all go on and on about schedule all you want, but this is the NFL not college so I dont consider it a valid argument

[Excel]

My Pats lovefest here is over for the next 12 days as I'm getting married and will be no honeymoon; so peace out yall! Ill be back to gloat bout being 12-0 soon enough :up: :up: :up:

[omid17]

My Pats lovefest here is over for the next 12 days as I'm getting married and will be no honeymoon; so peace out yall! Ill be back to gloat bout being 12-0 soon enough :up: :up: :up::up:Congrats

[The Game]

My Pats lovefest here is over for the next 12 days as I'm getting married and will be no honeymoon; so peace out yall! Ill be back to gloat bout being 12-0 soon enough :up: :up: :up:

Congrats

[Memphis Slim]

I think if it was any other team besides the Pats that were dominating this much. Memphis wouldnt be constantly running them down. Not to mention that the record set by Peyton is probably going to be broken by Brady within the next month or so......so its extra salt in the wound for Memphis Slim...

and you can all go on and on about schedule all you want, but this is the NFL not college so I dont consider it a valid argument


But even the NFL has scrub teams..........whether you consider it valid or not. Doesn't change the fact that they are beating up on under .500 teams every week then struggled to beat a more equal opponent.

[Jerry!]

They beat the Colts playing badly and they soundly beat the Cowboys. You think the Packers stand much of a chance? The Titans?

[BlackLantern]

But even the NFL has scrub teams..........whether you consider it valid or not. Doesn't change the fact that they are beating up on under .500 teams every week then struggled to beat a more equal opponent.

Dallas is not a sub 500 team, granted they arent the colts, but they are still a good team.....

[BlackLantern]

and also the NFL schedule is written months before the season starts......lots of things happen with teams prior to training camp starting....who knew that Byron Leftwich would get released, or that Larry Johnson would suck hard, or that Harrison would get hurt......you can harp on about schedule all you want but as far as this season is concerned, yes the Colts are still defending champs.....but if the Pats run the table and go to the show......things will be different..........do you expect Belichick to go to the NFL league office and demand their schedule be changed from week to week/??...your complaining about something that the teams have no control over. the Pats are in a weak division.....lots of people expected for the Jets and the dolphins to be a lot better than they are

[TheRunningMan]

the pats will be undefeated until the big upset against pittsburgh

[dr venture]

Pats-Eagles point spread largest ever not involving expansion team

By Sal Paolantonio
ESPN.com


PHILADELPHIA -- Just three seasons after being separated by just three points in Super Bowl XXXIX, the gap between the Patriots and Eagles has widened to historic proportions: Philly is a 23½-point underdog.

That is the largest point spread for an NFL game that does not involve an expansion team, according to odds-making experts in Las Vegas.

On Dec. 5, 1976, the expansion Tampa Bay Buccaneers were 24-point underdogs to the defending Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers covered easily, winning 42-0.

"Nowadays, you don't see too many spreads over 16 or 17 points," said Sean Van Patten, an oddsmaker at Sports Consultants in Las Vegas. "That's because most teams take their starters out in the fourth quarter of a lopsided game. The Patriots don't. I call this phenomenon The [Bill] Belichick Factor."

By continuing to pour it on the fourth quarter, Belichick is throwing Vegas out of whack. And making bookies run for cover.

It all started Sunday night after Belichick walked across the field at Ralph Wilson Stadium to shake hands with Buffalo Bills head coach Dick Jauron, an awkward moment captured on national TV after the Patriots annihilated the Bills 56-10.

"The line for the Patriots-Eagles game was immediately set at 17 points -- and the big bettors, the sports syndicate guys, jumped on it, bet it hard," said Brandon Lang, whose life was depicted by Matthew McConaughey in the movie "Two for the Money" and is regarded as the nation's leading sports handicapper.

According to bookies and oddsmakers, all the big money took the Patriots and gave the points. Why? Because Belichick has been running up the score.

"So the spread jumped all the way to 22 in a matter of minutes," said Lang.

"You add the fact that Donovan McNabb is injured and you have the perfect storm," said a bookie in South Philadelphia who asked not to be identified.

McNabb has a swollen thumb on his right (throwing) hand and a sprained ankle. He did not finish the game on Sunday, when the Eagles beat the Miami Dolphins in Philadelphia. On Monday, head coach Andy Reid said his franchise quarterback is day-to-day.

"McNabb is worth four more points, in my opinion," said Van Patten. "Which means if he doesn't play Sunday, the spread in this game could set the record."

If the record is not set in this game, Van Patten said, don't be surprised if it is threatened in two of the Patriots' upcoming games -- against the New York Jets on Dec. 16 or the Dolphins on Dec. 23.

"The Jets game is the one to watch," said Van Patten. "The perception, at least, is that Belichick is running up the score because he's angry over Spygate. And he was caught by the Jets back in the first week of the season. It's gonna be payback time."

Sal Paolantonio covers the NFL for ESPN.

Damn......

[The Game]

the pats will be undefeated until the big upset against pittsburgh

I don't see it, I have always said the Burgh' match looks tough on paper but on the field, im not sure they are a lock to beat the Pats, even though the majority thinks so

[LegendaryCaleb]

I Have Pats Losing to Pitt in the upcoming game as well

[Mee]

Yeah, the Steelers that have lost to Denver, Arizona, and the Jets, are going to beat the Pats.

They'd have to get really lucky.

[Jerry!]

I think the Steelers have the right combination of being a good enough team being able to maybe catch the Patriots if they play a bad enough game. But I don't see it happening.

[Memphis Slim]

Dallas is not a sub 500 team, granted they arent the colts, but they are still a good team.....


True....but were beat by 21??? Still an NFC team.

Colts by 4

[Memphis Slim]

and also the NFL schedule is written months before the season starts......lots of things happen with teams prior to training camp starting....who knew that Byron Leftwich would get released, or that Larry Johnson would suck hard, or that Harrison would get hurt......you can harp on about schedule all you want but as far as this season is concerned, yes the Colts are still defending champs.....but if the Pats run the table and go to the show......things will be different..........do you expect Belichick to go to the NFL league office and demand their schedule be changed from week to week/??...your complaining about something that the teams have no control over. the Pats are in a weak division.....lots of people expected for the Jets and the dolphins to be a lot better than they are


It's like a poker hand. You get dealt a strong hand and sometimes a weak one. You play the one you have. But you can't deny that it's weak.

That's all I've been hearing....that they don't have a weak hand this year. They do.

[BlackLantern]

It's like a poker hand. You get dealt a strong hand and sometimes a weak one. You play the one you have. But you can't deny that it's weak.

That's all I've been hearing....that the don't have a weak hand this year. They do.

Ive never said the hand wasnt weak, but it doesnt matter...the Pats dont get a half win for beating on Buffalo...and a whole win for beating the Colts....a W is a W...this isnt college....I understand you won't see it differently untill the Pats smash the Colts by doube digits, maybe it happens maybe it doesnt...

[Memphis Slim]

Ive never said the hand wasnt weak, but it doesnt matter...the Pats dont get a half win for beating on Buffalo...and a whole win for beating the Colts....a W is a W...this isnt college....I understand you won't see it differently untill the Pats smash the Colts by doube digits, maybe it happens maybe it doesnt...


Since you live in Connecticut, I'll let you slide. :yay:

[BlackLantern]

you could apply the schedule argument to justify any teams record.....the Dolphins fans could say the reason for their record is because all the teams they have played are that much better.......I'm surprised that the Giants are 7-3 right now....I can hope they finish the season above .500

[omid17]

I Have Pats Losing to Pitt in the upcoming game as well
not going to happen:woot:

[Memphis Slim]

you could apply the schedule argument to justify any teams record.....the Dolphins fans could say the reason for their record is because all the teams they have played are that much better.......I'm surprised that the Giants are 7-3 right now....I can hope they finish the season above .500



All you have to do is look at the records. All of the AFC Esat is horrible except the Pats.

[El ASESINO]

The only team that will beat the Pats are the Cowboys in the Super Bowl.





I Hope

GO COWBOYS!

[omid17]

The only team that will beat the Pats are the Cowboys in the Super Bowl.





I Hope

GO COWBOYS!
no team can:woot:

[Spider-Fan]

The Steelers will not beat the Pats. You know why? Because they are the popular pick to do so. Bill will make sure to crush them in every way possible.

The team (if any) that beats the Patriots I think is more likely to be one of those teams no one thinks can even compete with them (like Miami), but ends up catching them off guard.

Am I saying Miami will beat NE? No, but I am saying I see a lesser team being more likely to take them down than someone like the Steelers.

[Dark Donnie]

Priest Holmes is retiring

[Silver Knight]

^^About time.

[Memphis Slim]

Priest Holmes is retiring


Are you serious?

That Colt D did smack him around pretty bad on Sunday. :csad:

[Silver Knight]

He should have retired 2 years ago.

[Jerry!]

Priest Holmes...HE GONE!!! YES! He'll grab some bench!

[Memphis Slim]

This "Girls Gone Wild"...Jerry Springer society has lost it's mind....

Can't take your kids anywhere these days.:dry:


NFL, Giants Stadium in Hot Water for Breast-Baring Ritual Among Fans

Tuesday, November 20, 2007
By Catherine Donaldson-Evans
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Giants Stadium management, the National Football League and the New York Jets are in the hot seat over a practice that has become a halftime ritual at Jets games: lewd, drunken male fans shouting at women to expose their breasts.
The men whoop, whistle, chant and stomp for female fans to lift up their shirts and bras, often shouting obscenities in the process. Some women comply with the jeering requests.
When the male spectators don't get their wish, they frequently grow nasty — booing, spitting and throwing beer bottles at the women they're targeting.
The story, which was first reported Tuesday by The New York Times, has caused a public outcry and led the New York Jets to issue a statement about the behavior.
"This type of conduct on one of the stadium spirals is outrageous and unacceptable," said Jets senior vice president of business operations Matt Higgins. "We have spoken with NJSEA [New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority] officials and demanded that they take steps immediately to ensure that it does not happen again."
The NJSEA, which runs operations at Giants Stadium and The Meadowlands complex where it's located, acknowledged that the bawdy ritual has been a problem and said security staff and New Jersey State Police are doing what they can to stop it.
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"This is not something new to us in terms of dealing with rowdy fan behavior," NJSEA President and CEO George Zoffinger told FOXNews.com. "Anybody who uses vulgar language or is intoxicated or acting in an improper manner is either ejected or arrested."
Zoffinger said that for the 2007 football season, eight women were tossed out of Giants Stadium for indecent exposure, seven of them from Jets games and one from a Giants game. So far, he said, a total of 148 people have been thrown out of Jets games and 35 have been arrested for bad behavior, compared to 174 ejections and 44 arrests at Giants games.
But punishing the males for their derogatory cat-calling isn't easy, he contended, partly because of the large number of raucous fans at games and partly because cheering doesn't necessarily warrant disciplinary action if it isn't accompanied by indecent language, object-throwing or other behavior that is against the law.
"In a crowd of people chanting, it is extremely difficult to single out a person you would eject or arrest," said Zoffinger. "We crack down as much as we can. If a crowd of 100 is chanting, 'Take off your top!', we try to convince them it's not a good idea. We often get ridiculed for trying to do that. But as abhorrent as it is, I'm not sure it's a crime. ... We can only do so much."
One thing they can do, he said, is nab the women who bare their breasts and the men who pressure them by using obscenities.
"We arrest the women because that's a crime," Zoffinger said. "If [the men] say, 'Show me your f— t—, we can arrest them. If there is bad, vulgar language involved, yes, we do eject them, every single time. ... Boorish behavior will not be tolerated."
The breast-baring problem isn't at the top of the list of security concerns at The Meadowlands, which handles 2 million visitors a year — the most of any sports arenas in the United States, according to Zoffinger.
"We run one of the safest stadiums in the country," he said. "As abhorrent as this behavior is, it does not pose a safety and security issue. I don't think the security staff looks the other way. If we see anybody, we immediately take them into custody."
Zoffinger said he's looking into beefing up security at the stadium during Jets games in an effort to control the incidents.
The NFL didn't return calls from FOXNews.com seeking comment. New Jersey State Police, who patrol the Giants Stadium games with the Meadowlands staff, didn't directly address the Jets games ritual, but said troopers deal with legal infractions when they occur.
"We enforce the laws, and that's our responsibility," state police spokeswoman Jeanne Hengemuhle told FOXNews.com. "If we see the law being broken, we act accordingly."
Amateur videos of men haranguing women in the Gate D section of the stadium during Jets games and women responding by exposing their breasts initially appeared on YouTube, but by Tuesday afternoon they'd been removed from the site.
Feminist writer Naomi Wolf lambasted the "Girls Gone Wild" types of stadium shenanigans as "barbaric" and "reprehensible," and said the practice could lead to sexual violence.
"This is the sign of the degradation of public morality in America," the "Beauty Myth" author fumed during a FOX News Channel panel discussion. "I don’t want my daughter to be exposed to this."
The practice is apparently mostly limited to Jets home games at Giants Stadium. Insiders say they aren't aware of it happening at Giants games.
"The NJSEA has assured us that they will address this conduct at all Meadowlands events," said the Jets' Higgins. "We will not allow a small minority of people to ruin the experience for our fans and will be monitoring the situation."
The NFL is no stranger to the problem of public breast-baring, thanks to the very famous and very costly halftime show "wardrobe malfunction" number by Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake during the 2004 Super Bowl on CBS.
"Football is about one thing — it’s about testosterone," Steve Mason of 710 ESPN Radio told FOX News. "This isn't especially shocking. I don’t think you want to bring the kids to Gate D any time soon."

[Jerry!]

Boo hoo.

[Cmill216]

Man, that's so sad.........

Why can't that happen in Raymond James?! :mad:

[rdh007]

This "Girls Gone Wild"...Jerry Springer society has lost it's mind....

Can't take your kids anywhere these days.:dry:


NFL, Giants Stadium in Hot Water for Breast-Baring Ritual Among Fans

Tuesday, November 20, 2007
By Catherine Donaldson-Evans

Giants Stadium management, the National Football League and the New York Jets are in the hot seat over a practice that has become a halftime ritual at Jets games: lewd, drunken male fans shouting at women to expose their breasts.
I'd never take a kid under 15 to an NFL game anyway. I've been to two of them, and they were both like going to a dive bar on the wrong side of the tracks. The NFL is infintely better on tv.

As for baring breasts, I suppose there are worse things one could see at an NFL game:
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[Jerry!]

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[FaT_tONle]

The only team that will beat the Pats are the Cowboys in the Super Bowl.





I Hope

GO COWBOYS!

Here are some ways I could see the Pats getting beat that I have envisioned in my head... from least to most likely to happen

5) Jets play a competitive game till late in the third... down 30-13ish... Jets add a field goal late to cut it to 14 early in the fourth. Some riduculous things happen... the Jets get a few breaks... and the Pats turn it over trying to run up the score. Jets force OT on a couple of miracle touchdown throws from Clemens... Nugent nails a 54 yarder to land the upset of the millenium. Mangini and Belicheck get into a brawl at midfield at the end of the game... the Pats go out in the first or second round.

4) I think the Steelers have an outside chance... they could keep it within a score late in the third... if they make some plays down the stretch... it could be a 27-24 ish game for the Black and Gold.

3) San Diego... thats right... the stinking Chargers... they slip into the playoffs at 8-8... they finally decide to turn on the "time to play" switch... after getting by the Jags 31-17 suprisingly with ease, they come into Foxboro with nothing to lose... they hand the Pats a 34-31 defeat.

2) N.E quickly jumps out to a 10-0 lead over Dallas in the Superbowl. In a stunning turn of events... N.E is completely dominated by the Cowboys for the rest of that half as it is 31-10 Dallas... Romo has 4 TD tosses in the first half and the Pats offense looks lost... but Brady and the offense find their groove in the second half making it 31-24 late in the third. THe Pats take the lead 38-34 with under two minutes in the fourth... Randall Gay gets flagged for interference inside the fifteen... 00:7 seconds left... no timeouts... fourth and goal at the 8... Romo scrambles for it... gets hit... laterals it back to Crayton who takes it to the pylon. 40-38 the final.

1) AFC Championship: Colts 35 Pats 34

So obviously you guys can see there is about a 95 % chance the Pats go 19-0.