2007 NFL Thread

[Jerry!]

Whenever you have an awesome kick returner that's so awesome you think you need give him boat loads of cash and try to find some other position he can play, remember these two words: Dante Hall

Dante Hall had that one season and disappeared. Devin Hester is not Dante Hall. Dante Hall is Devin Hester in his dreams. Even with all the attention and the huge target on Hester this season and after all the kicking away from him, he is still only one away from tying the record he set last season. Think about that for a second. Everyone knows what he can do, there aren't any more excuses after last season, and they are game planning against him in every game and he still finds a way. He leads the league in yards gained per kick off. He is two or three TDs away from the all time record, of whom had achieved that record with over 200 more games played than Hester. He is a game changer, he is the most exciting player in the game right now. Dante Hall isn't. He isn't an awesome kick returner or receiver.

The problem with the Bears is that they are really only using Hester as a decoy on offense still. Thats Ron Turner and basically thats just the Bears in general. They don't open up the offense enough, only until they really need to. They have maybe thrown a long bomb to Hester once or twice this year, and one of them he went in for a touchdown. I think they should try at least once a game to do that. Rex has got a strong arm, just let him launch it as far as he can and let Hester run out there. He is the fastest guy on the field.

[dr venture]

^ I agree

[Dark Donnie]

Washington Post-Sean Taylor Update

Posted at 6:49 PM ET, 11/26/2007

A Positive Sign

Les Carpenter, who is working the story for us in Miami, heard rumblings that Sean may have opened his eyes.

I have not been able to get that confirmed but just heard from a team offical that Sean is now responsive, which is obviously a turn for the best. I will continue working away to get more details, but this is obviously a turn for the better after Sean spent much of the day in a "non-responsive and unconscious" state.

[Dark Donnie]

Dante Hall had that one season and disappeared. Devin Hester is not Dante Hall. Dante Hall is Devin Hester in his dreams. Even with all the attention and the huge target on Hester this season and after all the kicking away from him, he is still only one away from tying the record he set last season. Think about that for a second. Everyone knows what he can do, there aren't any more excuses after last season, and they are game planning against him in every game and he still finds a way. He leads the league in yards gained per kick off. He is two or three TDs away from the all time record, of whom had achieved that record with over 200 more games played than Hester. He is a game changer, he is the most exciting player in the game right now. Dante Hall isn't. He isn't an awesome kick returner or receiver.

The problem with the Bears is that they are really only using Hester as a decoy on offense still. Thats Ron Turner and basically thats just the Bears in general. They don't open up the offense enough, only until they really need to. They have maybe thrown a long bomb to Hester once or twice this year, and one of them he went in for a touchdown. I think they should try at least once a game to do that. Rex has got a strong arm, just let him launch it as far as he can and let Hester run out there. He is the fastest guy on the field.

I think your trivializing Dante Hall.....while Hester has a ton more TD return....Hall had what 4 that one year...thats pretty damn good, plus the moves he made on those returns were outrageous

[BlackLantern]

I think your trivializing Dante Hall.....while Hester has a ton more TD return....Hall had what 4 that one year...thats pretty damn good, plus the moves he made on those returns were outrageous

Yes he did, but we live in a "What have you done for me lately??" environment

[Cowleen]

Dante Hall had that one season and disappeared. Devin Hester is not Dante Hall. Dante Hall is Devin Hester in his dreams. Even with all the attention and the huge target on Hester this season and after all the kicking away from him, he is still only one away from tying the record he set last season. Think about that for a second. Everyone knows what he can do, there aren't any more excuses after last season, and they are game planning against him in every game and he still finds a way. He leads the league in yards gained per kick off. He is two or three TDs away from the all time record, of whom had achieved that record with over 200 more games played than Hester. He is a game changer, he is the most exciting player in the game right now. Dante Hall isn't. He isn't an awesome kick returner or receiver.

The problem with the Bears is that they are really only using Hester as a decoy on offense still. Thats Ron Turner and basically thats just the Bears in general. They don't open up the offense enough, only until they really need to. They have maybe thrown a long bomb to Hester once or twice this year, and one of them he went in for a touchdown. I think they should try at least once a game to do that. Rex has got a strong arm, just let him launch it as far as he can and let Hester run out there. He is the fastest guy on the field.QFT

[dr venture]

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[Excel]

Taylor may be ight!

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/?hpid=topnews

Les Carpenter, who is working the story for us in Miami, heard rumblings that Sean may have opened his eyes.

I have not been able to get that confirmed but just heard from a team offical that Sean is now responsive, which is obviously a turn for the best. I will continue working away to get more details, but this is obviously a turn for the better after Sean spent much of the day in a "non-responsive and unconscious" state.

As the person put it: "Finally, the first good news all day." Let's hopes it's the first of more to come.

UPDATE: Vinny Cerrato is supposed to call in to us in a few minutes in the media room with an update

updated:

He was responsive to the doctor's requests to squeeze his hands and showed facial expressions. The doctors were very happy about that," Cerrato said " ... Two doctors came and told us they were excited about that."

Cerrato also confirmed my earlier reports about Sean being "non-responsive and unconscious."
Cerrato said: "We'd heard all that and what they told us was to hope foir a miracle."

Cerrato said Taylor is still in critical condition but did not have many details beyond that.

Les Carpenter reports from the hospital there that the mood has changed dramatically around there and people are suddenly in much better spirits.

Just got off the phone with Richard Sharpstein, Sean's lawyer and a family friend.

Richard said they are saying Sean is in stable but critical condition and remains under constant care in the ICU.

"This was a great ray of sunshines, but we're not out of the woods yet," Sharpstein said from the hospital. "The doctors are stil guarded about the diagnosis. Until he comes to and speaks and recognizes people, they are going to be guarded, but this was obviously a very positive sign and a recognition of a command."

[dr venture]

^ That's great news

[Cowleen]

http://i13.tinypic.com/80ugcbl.gifWhat is this and why does it look like an episode of Benny Hill?

[rdh007]

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Eli FTW

[Excel]

If it is true; thats beyond great. He appearently flatlined twice during surgery according to NFL network reporters...if he pulls through; clearly a superb effort by the doctors.

[Fran]

Excel, the Red Sox curse ended in 2004. :dry:

[Showtime]

Fran strikez again!

[Excel]

Excel, the Red Sox curse ended in 2004. :dry:

no; it was just hurt. 2007 proved 2004 was no fluke;there would be no other 86 year wait; the curse is offically dead and buried ;) :up:

[Fran]

Do you really think they'll draft McFadden? :dry::dry:

[Excel]

After hearing Belichick talk, no. Kenny Phillips :up: :up:

[dr venture]

credit goes to kingdingaling from illesty

Hester

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[Cowleen]

credit goes to kingdingaling from illesty

Hester

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/joshua_mcfoster/Gifs/devinhester.gif

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/joshua_mcfoster/Gifs/YouTube-DevinHesterpuntreturnvsDuke.gif:heart:New Favorite:heart:

[Jerry!]

You can't really tell because of the speed, but on the Duke return one it looks like one of the Miami guys blocking for Hester gets his knee blown out from another guy basically wrapping around it.

[Jerry!]

I think your trivializing Dante Hall.....while Hester has a ton more TD return....Hall had what 4 that one year...thats pretty damn good, plus the moves he made on those returns were outrageous


Didn't have staying power. Teams adjusted and he hasn't really been able to do anything since. I've never seen anything like what Hester is doing. I think his most impressive return was when he went to the Pro Bowl, he didn't take it all the way back, but he made something out of nothing, completely surrounded at one point, he started juking pro bowlers out of their cleats, Troy Pollamalu missed him twice in the return. Plus hearing Jeff Joniak call one of Hester's returns on the radio is awesome. Almost makes up for not being able to see it.

[Alex The Great]

edited for clarity :up:
Hype NFL fan list...
hehe woops :p
49ers- The Riddler, kane9321
Browns- Spider-Fan
Buccaneers- Johnny Blaze, Cmill216
Colts- SurfDUI, Memphis Slim
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Dolphins- Mister J
Falcons- Immortalfire
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Rams- Fran
Ravens- Kaleb
Seahawks- DBella
Steelers- Matt
Titans- Ghostrider87, Advanced Dark

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[DarthRekal]

it's getting DIRE for Taylor :csad:

[Alex The Great]

Gonna give some props to theEagles..they fought valiantly. nice to see there are soem other teams that can stand to the PATS besides indy. so nice job Philly. :up: i may be a PATS fan but that doesn't mean i can't give props to another team!

[Alex The Great]

ho snap...just read some of this stuff about surgery and that shooting.....danm. good luck to the guy who was shot. me hopes and prayers go to him and his family :csad:

[Fran]

Christ, can you type?

[Alex The Great]

Christ, can you type?
typos lol?



hehe does MINOR typos matter on a forum lol?

[BlackLantern]

Christ, can you type?

He is a Pats fan, so he is looking at Brady on the cover of GQ and typing with one hand:oldrazz:

[Alex The Great]

He is a Pats fan, so he is looking at Brady on the cover of GQ and typing with one hand:oldrazz:
lol.....noooo......:ninja:

[Fran]

typos lol?



hehe does MINOR typos matter on a forum lol?

I'm sorry, just horrible grammar and spelling in every post you make is just distracting.

He is a Pats fan, so he is looking at Brady on the cover of GQ and typing with one hand:oldrazz:

Possibly. He is a Patriots fan.

And a bandwagoner too

[LegendaryCaleb]

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Great Job Eli! :up:
The Coaches Reaction is Priceless!

[Alex The Great]

Great Job Eli! :up:
The Coaches Reaction is Priceless!
haha I KNOW!!! :woot::up:

[DarthRekal]

you guys we ned more concentration on Sean Taylor.. he slipped into coma after surgery... they are concerned he will have brain damage due to loss of blood and oxygen to the brain :csad:

[Kelly]

Thats what happens when you play with guns.....

[Sun_Down]

Thats what happens when you play with guns.....

The **** are you talking about?

[Fran]

The **** are you talking about?

Sean Taylor got shot at his home.

That's why you don't play with guns :huh:

[DarthRekal]

Sean Taylor got shot at his home.

That's why you don't play with guns :huh:
he didnt shoot HIMSELF :huh:

[Fran]

he didnt shoot HIMSELF :huh:

I know. Criminals shouldn't mess with guns.

[Kelly]

I'm saying, you toy around with guns, people who carry guns, whatever... this is what happens.....sorry, I don't feel sorry for the guy.....he has been in trouble before, he should have learned....I certainly don't want anyone to die in any fashion, but you reap the consequences...

But certainly for his daughter's sake, I hope he's ok...

[TheRunningMan]

I miss joey

[Dark Donnie]

I'm saying, you toy around with guns, people who carry guns, whatever... this is what happens.....sorry, I don't feel sorry for the guy.....he has been in trouble before, he should have learned....I certainly don't want anyone to die in any fashion, but you reap the consequences...

But certainly for his daughter's sake, I hope he's ok...

It was a home invasion...from the information out now, you can draw any conclusion that it was his fault in anyway, or it was a repurcussion of something he did.

[Jerry!]

I'm saying, you toy around with guns, people who carry guns, whatever... this is what happens.....sorry, I don't feel sorry for the guy.....he has been in trouble before, he should have learned....I certainly don't want anyone to die in any fashion, but you reap the consequences...

But certainly for his daughter's sake, I hope he's ok...


So whats the story with this guy then? Was he a criminal? I didn't hear anything about how this was because of something he did. Until then I don't think we have enough info to be jumping to conclusions on what happened.

[LegendaryCaleb]

I feel bad for Sean Taylor...but that doesnt mean I have to post that I feel sorry for him :o

[Bond]

http://i13.tinypic.com/80ugcbl.gif
lawlz

[Mister J]

I'm saying, you toy around with guns, people who carry guns, whatever... this is what happens.....sorry, I don't feel sorry for the guy.....he has been in trouble before, he should have learned....I certainly don't want anyone to die in any fashion, but you reap the consequences...
That's ridiculous. You make it sound like the man is Al Capone or someone. Taylor had made changes in his life ever since his daughter was born in May 2006. Most of today's articles on the matter point to that. He's been in trouble once back in 2005 for brandishing/assault with a firearm. So despite whatever efforts he's made since then, including being heavily involved in the community and keeping out of trouble, he's reaping what he's sown in the form of a targeted attack that risks his life. Sure. :whatever:

[SurfDUI]

It was a home invasion...from the information out now, you can draw any conclusion that it was his fault in anyway, or it was a repurcussion of something he did.

:csad: Gawd! Sometimes that street BS gets stale-I hope the brotha pulls through.

[Jerry!]

Now if it was Tank Johnson, then you wouldn't have to feel sorry. That guy is a thug.

[Kelly]

That's ridiculous. You make it sound like the man is Al Capone or someone. Taylor had made changes in his life ever since his daughter was born in May 2006. Most of today's articles on the matter point to that. He's been in trouble once back in 2005 for brandishing/assault with a firearm. So despite whatever efforts he's made since then, including being heavily involved in the community and keeping out of trouble, he's reaping what he's sown in the form of a targeted attack that risks his life. Sure. :whatever:

Nah, not quite that ruthless....lol


We don't know all of the circumstances, so at this point, I guess we are all talking without much information.


Nonetheless, glad his daughter was not harmed, and he'll be ok for her.

[LostSon88]

LOL!!!!!

Nice punt.

:woot:

[Bond]

God, still scoreless.

[The Evolutionist]

We deserved that game last night. Seriously. Every time they show that TD catch at the end of the first half, I get pissed. He was definitely out of bounds. Whatever though, I just hope the Pats go out early in the playoffs.

[LostSon88]

We deserved that game last night. Seriously. Every time they show that TD catch at the end of the first half, I get pissed. He was definitely out of bounds. Whatever though, I just hope the Pats go out early in the playoffs.

If you ain't a Pats fan, you're pretty much thinking the same thing.

As far as i'm concerned, all this running up the score and lack of class WILL come to bite them come January.

Karma will find its way around.

[Matt Murdock]

5-6

vs

11-0

[Bond]

Miami's gonna weee-yun.

[Mister J]

Good Gravy, Miami has to protect against the end rush. The way they've been beaten repeatedly one-on-one is pathetic.

On another note, Kornheiser is awful.

[Jerry!]

I had to explain this to the other Colt fans in the thread when that catch happened too. His other foot dragged on the turf IN BOUNDS after he caught the ball. He had possession, his one foot was clearly in, and as he was falling, his other foot hit IN BOUNDS and then after that everything else is irrelevent, it doesn't matter that his knee hit out of bounds because he already had possession of the football with both feet in bounds. Thats a touchdown. I can't believe how many people missed that. I'm not a Pats fan and I clearly saw that.

[Jerry!]

If you ain't a Pats fan, you're pretty much thinking the same thing.

As far as i'm concerned, all this running up the score and lack of class WILL come to bite them come January.

Karma will find its way around.

...Or it will better prepare them for a game EXACTLY like they played last night. Idiots abound!

[Cowleen]

Good Gravy, Miami has to protect against the end rush. The way they've been beaten repeatedly one-on-one is pathetic.

On another note, Kornheiser is awful.That's really a name?

[Fran]

Wow, what a boring game. :confused:

[NewYorkSpider]

I slept through the first 3 quarters thank god.

[LostSon88]

...Or it will better prepare them for a game EXACTLY like they played last night. Idiots abound.

Well they better, conisdering they almost blew it to a sub-par team led by a backup QB. :o

Oh and you better not be calling me an idiot...

[Matt]

*sigh* friggin Steelers :cmad:

[Jerry!]

Doesn't take a genius to figure out why they play full speed ahead no matter what.

[LostSon88]

Doesn't take a genius to figure out why they play full speed ahead no matter what.

Even when you're already up 20-30+ points by the 3rd?

Believe me, i'm all for Brady's whole, "We want to kill them," mentality whenever they step on the field, but when the competition's been dead since half-time, what purpose does it serve to keep beating an already dead horse...


:dry:

[Showtime]

I bet some of you are praying for a Patriotic blowout right about now.

[Showtime]

Even when you're already up 20-30+ points by the 3rd?

Believe me, i'm all for Brady's whole, "We want to kill them," mentality whenever they step on the field, but when the competition's been dead since half-time, what purpose does it serve to keep beating an already dead horse...


:dry:

So you can kill it again? :huh:

[Matt]

What the hell kind of reason is there to try and pass on third and goal when all you need is a field goal to win the game!?!?!? :cmad:

[Bond]

That could finish it...

[Mister J]

6 losses by 3 points or less. :dry:

****.

[JTStarkiller]

What the hell kind of reason is there to try and pass on third and goal when all you need is a field goal to win the game!?!?!? :cmad:

Yeah, I was scratching my head too. With both hands.

[Kaleb]

wow so do the steelers just take teams that are struggling for granted? I mean this is the 3rd time this season they have struggled to beat a team with a record under .500

[Badger]

What the hell kind of reason is there to try and pass on third and goal when all you need is a field goal to win the game!?!?!? :cmad:


Very piss poor game management there, for sure.

[Bond]

Oh that play worked. :rolleyes:

[Showtime]

3-0

[Immortalfire]

ESPN seriously needs to cut down on their NFL crew...seems like they've got every retired coach and player as part of their analyst team.

[Matt]

wow so do the steelers just take teams that are struggling for granted? I this is the 3rd time this season they have struggled to beat a team with a record under .500

You beat me in the fantasy league. All I needed was for Miami's defense not to score ten points. They score 16. Who'd of thunk it :csad:

Good game :up:....enjoy your last moments on the Hype...BANNED! :cwink:

[Kaleb]

and none of this crap ,that the really good teams find ways to win.

[Fran]

Wow, how :dry:-inducing.

[Kaleb]

You beat me in the fantasy league. All I needed was for Miami's defense not to score ten points. They score 16. Who'd of thunk it :csad:

Good game :up:....enjoy your last moments on the Hype...BANNED! :cwink:

cheers matt lol

[SurfDUI]

How bout we talkabout a REAL sorryassed club...The Pittsburg Steelers:whatever:
"yea, yea we #2 in the AFC" Yea. O.K.


-F it-I'm calling it.

Superbowl XLII

Your Indianapolis COLTS vs. Green Bay PACKERS

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/8275a3c9-22b0-44b7-9561-ad6868e108d3.jpg (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=1740410&gameId=271122008)

[Matt]

and none of this crap ,that the really good teams find ways to win.

I've got nothing. The Steelers have been playing like absolute **** for the past two weeks. They got lucky tonight. I don't see how they will survive against NE in a couple weeks. They are going to get bowled over.

[Fran]

Pats vs. Cowboys Super Bowl.

[Immortalfire]

Oh gees, what a thriller in the steel city...snore

[Matt]

So tempted to edit in a picture of the Steelers superbowl trophy into SurfDUI's post. :csad:

IF, can I pretty please?

[Bond]

Pats vs. Cowboys Super Bowl.
:up:

[Matt]

Pats vs. Cowboys Super Bowl.

Uh huh. Packers might pull off the Dallas upset, but Pats are winning the AFC.

[Showtime]

You wouldn't be the badliest if you didn't.

[Kaleb]

do it :)

[LostSon88]

Well...this game was a waste of time.

:dry:

[Jerry!]

Even when you're already up 20-30+ points by the 3rd?

Believe me, i'm all for Brady's whole, "We want to kill them," mentality whenever they step on the field, but when the competition's been dead since half-time, what purpose does it serve to keep beating an already dead horse...


:dry:

The defense isn't going to just quit and stop trying against Brady. The purpose is to keep playing to win in each and every quarter, basically just play almost all the time as if it is tied up game so that when you do have to start playing those kinds of games you are used to that mind set, because its been that way all season long.

[Immortalfire]

So tempted to edit in a picture of the Steelers superbowl trophy into SurfDUI's post. :csad:

IF, can I pretty please?

Negative.












You have to be on staff at least a week before doing junk like that.

[Showtime]

Well...this game was a waste of time.

:dry:

Just seeing Ricky Williams get stepped on made it worth it.

[Kaleb]

I think the steelers are the only team that the pats have to face that are above .500

[Showtime]

The defense isn't going to just quit and stop trying against Brady. The purpose is to keep playing to win in each and every quarter, basically just play almost all the time as if it is tied up game so that when you do have to start playing those kinds of games you are used to that mind set, because its been that way all season long.

They just don't get it Jerome.

[Matt]

How bout we talkabout a REAL sorryassed club...The Pittsburg Steelers:whatever:
"yea, yea we #2 in the AFC" Yea. O.K.


-F it-I'm calling it.

Superbowl XLII

Your Indianapolis COLTS vs. Green Bay PACKERS

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/8275a3c9-22b0-44b7-9561-ad6868e108d3.jpg (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=1740410&gameId=271122008)

Come off it. The Steelers will make play-offs. Last time I checked they beat the "number 1" and "number 2" teams in the AFC to win the Superbowl as a wild card team just two years ago. Don't count them off yet. Also, how was their game any different than Indy's embarrassment against KC? Teams have bad days. Is it an excuse? No. But it does happen.

[Sun_Down]

I'm saying, you toy around with guns, people who carry guns, whatever... this is what happens.....sorry, I don't feel sorry for the guy.....he has been in trouble before, he should have learned....I certainly don't want anyone to die in any fashion, but you reap the consequences...

But certainly for his daughter's sake, I hope he's ok...

He wasn't "playing with guns", he was sleeping. He woke up to some noise and got shot. I fail to see how that qualifies as his fault.

[Matt]

You wouldn't be the badliest if you didn't.

For Showtime tempting me, his signature is going to read "Go Colts, beat those Patriots!" For the next two months :cwink:

[Matt]

Negative.












You have to be on staff at least a week before doing junk like that.


Next week...We'll see who gets the last laugh SurfDUI (probably you though :csad:)

[Immortalfire]

So, the Penguins beat the Florida Panthers 3-0? Cool.....oh, that was the Steelers and Dolphins. Sorry. :o

[Showtime]

For Showtime tempting me, his signature is going to read "Go Colts, beat those Patriots!" For the next two months :cwink:

You know that one day I will have my revenge sweet prince.

That being said, you forget that I like the Colts. :huh:

[Matt]

So, the Penguins beat the Florida Panthers 3-0? Cool.....oh, that was the Steelers and Dolphins. Sorry. :o

BANNED! :cmad:....Oh wait... :csad:

[Showtime]

BANNED! :cmad:....Oh wait... :csad:

I can't tell a lie. :csad:

Oh...not me.

[Matt]

You know that one day I will have my revenge sweet prince.

That being said, you forget that I like the Colts. :huh:


How would you feel about "Go Dolphins, Beat those Patriots!"?

[Immortalfire]

Hey Matt, wanna know Showtime's real name? :wow: :ninja:

[Matt]

I can't tell a lie. :csad:

I could never ban you Showwy. (But only 'cause it would mess up Survivor to lose another player :o :cwink: )

[Jerry!]

Great now we are there is going to be an unloading of all the people and analysts crying about the field conditions and weather. Football is a dirty game, just shut up.

[Matt]

Hey Matt, wanna know Showtime's real name? :wow: :ninja:

Bob Sanders? :woot:

[Showtime]

I could never ban you Showwy. (But only 'cause it would mess up Survivor to lose another player :o :cwink: )

There is always a catch!

[SurfDUI]

Come off it. The Steelers will make play-offs. Also, how was their game any different than Indy's embarrassment against KC? Teams have bad days. Is it an excuse? No. But it does happen.


It's great how YOUR team has a bad day, but the Champs are just well, whatever the hell you rattle on about.

a-Steelers ain't beat on nobody, losses to the Chiefs, Bronco's and nearly the winless Fins...O.K. They might not even get past Cleveland.

b-Indy beat the Chiefs-They lost to the undefeated Patriots and the horrid SuperChargers-both 2x as much comp as the Steelers have had.

c-Pittsburg has had a season worth of 'bad days' - @ home even, when you consitanly...ahhhhh whatever Joey Porter almost beat you.:word:

[Immortalfire]

Bob Sanders? :woot:

Whoa man, that's it!

[Matt]

Great now we are there is going to be an unloading of all the people and analysts crying about the field conditions and weather. Football is a dirty game, just shut up.

You'll hear none of that from me. Miami might have that as an excuse being as they are from a warm climate area. Pittsburgh has none. They should expect to play in conditions like that. No excuse at all.

[Showtime]

Hey Matt, wanna know Showtime's real name? :wow: :ninja:

I don't want the paparazzi after me. :cmad:

[Matt]

It's great how YOUR team has a bad day, but the Champs are just well, whatever the hell you rattle on about.

a-Steelers ain't beat on nobody, losses to the Chiefs, Bronco's and nearly the winless Fins...O.K. They might not even get past Cleveland.

b-Indy beat the Chiefs-They lost to the undefeated Patriots and the horrid SuperChargers-both 2x as much comp as the Steelers have had.

c-Pittsburg has had a season worth of 'bad days' - @ home even, when you consitanly...ahhhhh whatever Joey Porter almost beat you.:word:

Last I checked I wasn't being the least bit apologetic for the Steelers. I have criticized their play for the past two weeks. I'm not a mindless fanboy who rattles off excuses like you.

[Cmill216]

Did I just seriously read that score right?

[Dark Donnie]

Back to the Shaun Taylor thing....they said the intruders cut his phone lines before entering....sounds like they meant business. :o

[Kaleb]

the dolphins have lost a lot of games by 3 points this year.

lost 13-16 vs Redskins

28-31 to the Jets

19-22 to the Texans

10-13 to the Giants

10-13 to the Bills

now 0-3 to the Steelers

[Kaleb]

Back to the Shaun Taylor thing....they said the intruders cut his phone lines before entering....sounds like they meant business. :o
its terrible, and from what I heard ,his Taylors house was broken into last month as well.

[Excel]

I'm saying, you toy around with guns, people who carry guns, whatever... this is what happens.....sorry, I don't feel sorry for the guy.....he has been in trouble before, he should have learned....I certainly don't want anyone to die in any fashion, but you reap the consequences...

But certainly for his daughter's sake, I hope he's ok...

Hate to say it but I gotta agree...it is now known the phone lines outside were cut. Add 2 break ins past 2 weeks on Sundays; knife hidden in a bed...they were sending a message.

This was nothing random; whoever did it knew who lived there. Cut phone lines mean only one thing. They didnt go to rob them; they went to KILL him.

Given his past and that its in Miami; its pretty obvious some low life dudes had big enough **** with him to want him dead; and somebody whose father is the chief of police should know better than to associate yourself with them because even if your the hardest hitter in the NFL;' you aint tougher than a bullet.

Gotta feel bad for his family, friends, and the fact that he is only 24; but I dont think its accurate to say its not at all his fault. Live by the gun; die by the gun; he should have asked Tupac and Biggie how it turned out when your rich and famous but still live the thug life.

That said; you gotta hope he survives. A good friend of mines mother has knownm Taylors aunt for years; and word is its simply horrible.

[Matt]

I love hearing Tomlin's post game press conferences. Never makes excuses. Always classy.

[Excel]

Back to the Shaun Taylor thing....they said the intruders cut his phone lines before entering....sounds like they meant business. :o

Yep; this was no random robbery. They went for blood. Sorry as it sounds; I am sure he was glad he was there though. Had he not been there, it could be his girlfriend and possibly kid who got shot.

[Darthphere]

the dolphins have lost a lot of games by 3 points this year.

lost 13-16 vs Redskins

28-31 to the Jets

19-22 to the Texans

10-13 to the Giants

10-13 to the Bills

now 0-3 to the Steelers

That's what makes this losing streak or quest for 0-16 so heartbreaking.

[Showtime]

I love hearing Tomlin's post game press conferences. Never makes excuses. Always classy.

Just like the Patriots.

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[vindrow]

That was the ugliest game on the NFL this year, but at least the Steelers came away with the win.

The Rooney's really need to install field turf for next year, that field was in very bad shape, just lucky there weren't any serious injuries.

[Showtime]

A win is a win and the Steelers are still one of the top teams in the AFC.

[DBella]

Yes, a win is a win but I feel like I'm watching a soccer game. I'd rather watch a soccer game, in fact. :down:

[Jerry!]

Hate to say it but I gotta agree...it is now known the phone lines outside were cut. Add 2 break ins past 2 weeks on Sundays; knife hidden in a bed...they were sending a message.

This was nothing random; whoever did it knew who lived there. Cut phone lines mean only one thing. They didnt go to rob them; they went to KILL him.

Given his past and that its in Miami; its pretty obvious some low life dudes had big enough **** with him to want him dead; and somebody whose father is the chief of police should know better than to associate yourself with them because even if your the hardest hitter in the NFL;' you aint tougher than a bullet.

Gotta feel bad for his family, friends, and the fact that he is only 24; but I dont think its accurate to say its not at all his fault. Live by the gun; die by the gun; he should have asked Tupac and Biggie how it turned out when your rich and famous but still live the thug life.

That said; you gotta hope he survives. A good friend of mines mother has knownm Taylors aunt for years; and word is its simply horrible.

And again, from everything that we know he had turned his life around and changed the way he lived after his daughter was born. He made a lifestyle change for the better and he deserves this? Whatever.

[Kaleb]

sal Paolantonio's post-game quote: "His balls had some stick to them." :dry:

[Ghostvirus]

I just can't believe the Packers/Cowboys game won't be televised to the masses, but only a select few...LAME!:down:

[The Evolutionist]

If you ain't a Pats fan, you're pretty much thinking the same thing.

As far as i'm concerned, all this running up the score and lack of class WILL come to bite them come January.

Karma will find its way around.

Oh, I don't care about the score running. The aim of the game is to score as many points, period. I just hope they go down because I want payback.

5-6

vs

11-0

Your point being? If you go by their records alone, then the game should have been a blowout. The point is, the Eagles gave them the closest game so far, and if Feeley had had another year under his belt, I bet he wouldn't have thrown those last two outside, and the game would have turned out a lot differently. It's not an excuse, but for all this talk about the Pats being the ****, they almost got taken apart by someone with half their record.

[Kaleb]

I just can't believe the Packers/Cowboys game won't be televised to the masses, but only a select few...LAME!:down:

Im in London right now and I get to watch it lol

[Dr. Evil]

This is the worst season in terms of off the field stuff in NFL history. The death of Darrent Williams, the arrests of Tank Johnson, Michael Vick, Chris Henry and Pacman Jones, Kevin Everett's situation (although it looks like that may have a happy ending), and now the shooting of Sean Taylor.

[Mee]

I've been saying it for a while, and hopefully everyone can see it now, the Steelers have been way overrated. :o

[Matt]

Just like the Cowboys and Tony Romo? :cwink:

[Kaleb]

Im telling you right now, its going to be the packers vs the pats at the superbowl

[Kaleb]

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Philadelphia Eagles were contacted before the trade deadline regarding the availability of quarterback Donovan McNabb.

And the requested price was not one, not two, but three first-round draft picks.

Whether the price remains that high after the 2007 season remains to be seen. If it is, McNabb won't be traded.

Our guess is that the Eagles are aiming high in the hopes of getting the most they can. And, as the PFTV guys discuss below, the Eagles can't afford to appear interested in moving McNabb, or they'll have no leverage.

The smartest move for the Eagles, in our view, is to auction him off in the offseason, and to take the best deal they can get.

-profootballtalk.com

[Mee]

Just like the Cowboys and Tony Romo? :cwink:
How predictable thou art, Matt. :o

Let's looke at the "overrated" Cowboys:

Lost to-

The Patriots.


How about the Steelers?

Lost to-

Broncos, Cardinals, and JETS.

And now barely beat the winless Dolphins.




Haha, go Steelers! :cyclops:

[Matt]

:csad:

BANNED! :cmad:

[Ghostvirus]

Whoa! Matt's A Mod!:wow:

[Mee]

:csad:

BANNED! :cmad:
You can ban me, but you can never ban... an IDEA! :cmad:

Mostly I'm just annoyed with Merryl Hodge's Steeler bias. He has them at #3 in his powers rankings. (with the Cowboys at #5:cmad: ) His ranking system is worse than the BCS. :huh:

[cookiva]

You can ban me, but you can never ban... an IDEA! :cmad:

Mostly I'm just annoyed with Merryl Hodge's Steeler bias. He has them at #3 in his powers rankings. (with the Cowboys at #5:cmad: ) His ranking system is worse than the BCS. :huh:

Not as bad as Mark May. USC a top 5 team my ass. I hate him.

[Jerry!]

Just found it. Jeff Joniak awesomeness.

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[SurfDUI]

I'm not a mindless fanboy who rattles off excuses like you.

I don't deal in excuses, neva have.
You just hate a winner, and hate hearin about it. Deal, you got plenty of company.

[Matt]

How would you like to Deal with a couple of days probation? :cwink:

And your theory is wrong. I have said on countless occassions how amazing it is to watch the Patriots. Like watching the Cowboys dynasty of the 90s all over. Sure, the Colts are a good team. Not great, but good. The only difference between you and I is, I just have no problem calling their fans on being ignorant, blind, sheep.

[Showtime]

As I have said before, we are witnessing a Dynasty with the New England Patriots. They are the team of the 2000's whether you like them or not.

[SurfDUI]

How would you like to Deal with a couple of days probation? :cwink:

And your theory is wrong. I have said on countless occassions how amazing it is to watch the Patriots. Like watching the Cowboys dynasty of the 90s all over. Sure, the Colts are a good team. Not great, but good. The only difference between you and I is, I just have no problem calling their fans on being ignorant, blind, sheep.


Fine then, and don't go swingin around your new power ring, mkay:cwink: :dry:

Who am I- Carl Sagan?? What theory is that?
That your NFL opinions-which your are wholly entitled too-are based largely on how you personally feel about a club or player. "They suc, he sucs", like I said, whateva.

As far as the fans, somebody in the real world must have rubbed you wrong, good luck w/ all of that-as far as the blind... well homeboy you can call me SurfRayCharlesOrbesonStevie Wonder- cause the Champs have been great for the better part of 10 years now. Any bitterness out of Surfer comes from getting slighted in Foxboro on an semi anual basis.

I'm jus sayin, blow that Steeler horn a little louder instead of the I hate so and so jive.:up:

[omid17]

As I have said before, we are witnessing a Dynasty with the New England Patriots. They are the team of the 2000's whether you like them or not.:up:

[omid17]

3 to 0 , wow

[SurfDUI]

A win is a win and the Steelers are still one of the top teams in the AFC.

I don't get you there dude,:word: maybe by NFC Standards, but the Browns are comming up, and Jax will get @ least another Wild Card. SuperChargers may find there way in, couple of scrubs are still out there. Mid pack all the way.

This is the worst season in terms of off the field stuff in NFL history. The death of Darrent Williams, the arrests of Tank Johnson, Michael Vick, Chris Henry and Pacman Jones, Kevin Everett's situation (although it looks like that may have a happy ending), and now the shooting of Sean Taylor.

Hells Yes, I hate hearing about this kind of thing, you can go back 10 years and there's D. Brooks, and Pat Tilman, and Caruth, and @ least a couple other black eyes.

[Showtime]

Unfortunately Sean Taylor did not make it, after 7 hours of surgery he never woke up and passed this morning.

[The Game]

Im in London right now and I get to watch it lol

Sky Sports FTW

[TheRunningMan]

lucky for me I have the network of the national football leauge

[Kaleb]

Unfortunately Sean Taylor did not make it, after 7 hours of surgery he never woke up and passed this morning.

I just woke up to learn this :( this is terrible, my thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

[Showtime]

I don't get you there dude,:word: maybe by NFC Standards, but the Browns are comming up, and Jax will get @ least another Wild Card. SuperChargers may find there way in, couple of scrubs are still out there. Mid pack all the way.

They are one of the top 4 teams in the AFC? I'll help you see it, go to NFL.com and look at the standings...

[Mister J]

Waking up to read the caption 'Redskins Sean Taylor Dies After Shooting' is really not what I wanted to see this morning.

[dr venture]

R.I.P. Sean Taylor

[Kaleb]

I cant cope with such sad news like this, its making everything in football seem so meaningless

[Kaleb]

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8833/seantaylorcopyul6.jpg

[The Game]

RIP ST, so young, another soul lost to senseless violence

[Silver Knight]

R.i.p St.

[Mr. Socko]

Never watch Football but I just saw this on the news. It's sad when anyone dies, especially at this age. RIP Sean Taylor.

[Albiceleste]

From a Cowboys fan. I'm sorry about the loss of Sean Taylor.

[Dark Donnie]

Really sad news......Sean Taylor was an exceptional player, and really turned his life around in the last year.

:(

[Matt]

Fine then, and don't go swingin around your new power ring, mkay:cwink: :dry:


I'm just kidding. I won't ban you for liking a different football team than me (though I will edit your signature to read "Go New England Patriots!" and give you a nice Tom Brady avatar :cwink:


Who am I- Carl Sagan?? What theory is that?
That your NFL opinions-which your are wholly entitled too-are based largely on how you personally feel about a club or player. "They suc, he sucs", like I said, whateva.

As far as the fans, somebody in the real world must have rubbed you wrong, good luck w/ all of that-as far as the blind... well homeboy you can call me SurfRayCharlesOrbesonStevie Wonder- cause the Champs have been great for the better part of 10 years now. Any bitterness out of Surfer comes from getting slighted in Foxboro on an semi anual basis.

I'm jus sayin, blow that Steeler horn a little louder instead of the I hate so and so jive.:up:

Its not a matter of blind hate. The Colts simply aren't a great team. They could be in the future, right now they aren't. Last season, they were good enough to win super bowls. That does not suddenly make them a dynasty the likes of the Patriots. If they were a great team for ten years as you claimed, they would be the ones with the 3 super bowl rings. As it is, they are not. They could be in the near future, who knows? Right now, they just aren't as great as you and Slim make them out to be.

[Matt]

RIP Sean Taylor :down:

[Erzengel]

Geez, how can the Steelers barely beat these crappy teams? :huh:

[Matt]

It was pathetic. People can blame the conditions until the cows come home, but the fact of the matter is, the Steelers just haven't shown up to play for these past couple weeks.

[Erzengel]

I turned it on 3rd Quarter and then again with like a minute 37 left still 0-0. My bro-in-law was commenting how they can beat the better teams but just seem to blow it against the under 500 ones. :huh:

[Dark Donnie]

It seems like they don't get up for bad teams....I hope and pray they have Holmes back when the play the Pats.

[Mee]

Unfortunately Sean Taylor did not make it, after 7 hours of surgery he never woke up and passed this morning.
Wow.


R.I.P. :csad:

[Kaleb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwwA6EJSdHg&eurl


geez Andrea contain yourself

[Immortalfire]

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8833/seantaylorcopyul6.jpg

Damn, how sad :csad:

[Mister J]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwwA6EJSdHg&eurl


geez Andrea contain yourself
Goodness. He's giving the usual run of cliché answers and she couldn't be more smitten. It must be good to be Tom Brady.

edit: One of the YouTube comments pointed out that Brady gives a quick look at Andrea's ass and then glances at the camera as if saying 'Hope you didn't me doing that'. Or maybe I just want to believe he did. Either way, hysterical. :up:

[Matt]

I turned it on 3rd Quarter and then again with like a minute 37 left still 0-0. My bro-in-law was commenting how they can beat the better teams but just seem to blow it against the under 500 ones. :huh:

Well, it does seem to be the case. The Steelers do seem to play better as underdogs, as odd as it sounds.

[Superman_]

I went to Redskin Park today it is a sad mood over there.

[DBella]

One of the first things I heard as I woke up this morning was of Sean Taylor's death. When I first heard news of his shooting, I prayed that he'll make it but I guess it's time for him to leave us. The way he died was so ... senseless though, and that saddens me. R.I.P Sean.

[Memphis Slim]

Multiple personalities aren't necessarily a bad thing.
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Defensive leader: Colts linebacker Gary Brackett, shown with coach Tony Dungy, is responsible for making defensive calls. - MATT KRYGER / The Star

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A rash of injuries has forced Indianapolis Colts linebackers coach Mike Murphy to mix and match seemingly on a weekly basis this season, with six different 'backers starting at least one [URL="http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071127/SPORTS03/711270414#"]game (javascript:NewWindow(760,585,'/apps/pbcs.dll/misc?url=/misc/photos_single.pbs&IDato=20071127&IKategori=SPORTS03&ID=711270414');).
One constant has been success. Often the bane of last year's team, the linebacking corps has become a boon to this one. Linebackers have helped forge a vast improvement against the run, and have accounted for seven of the defense's 15 interceptions.
Not that the constant change hasn't been a challenge.
"It's tough just because of the different guys, different personalities, different knowledge of the game,'' middle linebacker Gary Brackett said Monday as the Colts began preparation for Sunday's AFC South showdown with Jacksonville in the RCA Dome.
Brackett has been the constant, the only linebacker to start all 11 games (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071127/SPORTS03/711270414#). Not only is he the defensive captain, he's the defense's quarterback.
"Definitely,'' he said. "I have to make sure I get everything orchestrated.''
That includes dabbling in a bit of psychoanalysis as the play clock winds down. He must be aware of which linebackers flank him and understand how each is wired.
At the risk of practicing without a license, Brackett offered his diagnosis of his teammates:
Freddy Keiaho, a six-game starter at weak-side: "He's very anxious. He wants to hit somebody. Sometimes he's biting on a little play-fake because he's so aggressive and wants to tackle.''
Rocky Boiman, who's started six games at strong-side: "Rocky's a veteran, so he's more cool.''
Clint Session, who made his first career start at weak-side at San Diego: "Cut from the same mold as Freddy. A little anxious. He was like a kid in a candy store (at San Diego).''
Tyjuan Hagler, who has started three times at weak-side, once at strong-side: "He's not going to say much. And I tell him all the time, 'I'm pretty sure you know what you're doing, but I'm just echoing our alignments and our responsibilities to ease (my mind).' He's like, 'That's OK. Just keep doing it.' "
That brings us to Brackett. He's excitable but knows his must be a controlled enthusiasm. It's his responsibility to make the defensive calls and make certain the young players understand their assignments.
"I'm more of a leader,'' said Brackett, who has started 41 of 43 regular-season games since replacing Rob Morris at middle linebacker at the start of the 2005 season. "You always want to be conscious of the game situation. I always try to look at the down and distance, where we're at, see what they've been doing, see what personnel they have in, then try to help some of the younger guys if they need it.''
After getting everyone else in position to do their job, he must do his.
"He's held (the linebacker unit) together,'' coach Tony Dungy (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071127/SPORTS03/711270414#) said. "He's playing with a lot of different guys and playing his position well. With that in mind, probably his best year.''
Brackett leads the team with 113 tackles. He had 14 in the Thanksgiving night win at Atlanta, the fourth time this season he's had at least that many.
Brackett has been most pleased with his week-to-week consistency.
"I'm making plays when I have the opportunity to make them,'' he said.
The same could be said for the entire unit, which lost Morris for the season when he tore his left quadriceps tendon Sept. 30 against Denver and has had to deal with injuries to Keiaho (concussion), Hagler (neck) and Session (hamstring).
The group has tightened up its tackling after struggling mightily in that area last season. And then there are the interceptions; with two apiece, Brackett, Boiman and Session are the first Colts linebacker trio to do that since 1973 (Mike Curtis, Ted Hendricks and Stan White).
"We're playing well and under the circumstances I think we're doing an excellent job,'' Dungy said. "We're tackling well. We're playing very physical.''

[kane9321]

i liked the game lastnite..that's old school football right there..in the elements

[Fran]

R.I.P. Sean Taylor

So sad to see such a young man to go. Damn. :csad:

[Darthphere]

R.I.P. Sean Taylor

So sad to see such a young man to go. Damn. :csad:

I had the honor of watching him play when he was in UM.:csad:

[scifiwolf]

Man, I've been fuming all morning because I didn't get my student ticket to the WVU-Pitt game. Sean's never gonna play or see football again. Really puts things into perspective...

[Kaleb]

Right now I dont give damn about the pats record or the colts :(

[Fran]

Sean's death makes me not give a s*** about the Pats going undefeated, or the Colts debates.

I want the 'Skins to win the Super Bowl now. For Sean.

It's a longshot right now, but I believe in miracles.

[Cmill216]

Multiple personalities aren't necessarily a bad thing.
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Defensive leader: Colts linebacker Gary Brackett, shown with coach Tony Dungy, is responsible for making defensive calls. - MATT KRYGER / The Star

An all-pro player dies tragically today, and you're still posting meaningless articles about your team that no one is going to read?

Nice.

[Darthphere]

Sean's death makes me not give a s*** about the Pats going undefeated, or the Colts debates.

I want the 'Skins to win the Super Bowl now. For Sean.

It's a longshot right now, but I believe in miracles.

:up:

It's also what made the Colts Super Bowl win special. After everything Tony Dungy had been through.

[Fran]

An all-pro player dies tragically today, and you're still posting meaningless articles about your team that no one is going to read?

Nice.

I just ignored it, like I usually do, but yeah, that's a real surprise.

[Fran]

:up:

It's also what made the Colts Super Bowl win special. After everything Tony Dungy had been through.

This team can do two things:
1) Rally around the death of him, and win out, or just play with HUGE motivation
2) Crumble from the grief.

[Darthphere]

This team can do two things:
1) Rally around the death of him, and win out, or just play with HUGE motivation
2) Crumble from the grief.

Lets hope for #1.

[Alex The Great]

R.I.P SEAN TAYLOR :csad:


now i'mma cheering for the redskins and the pats.....win it fo Sean Washington!

[Kaleb]

please somebody make a Sean Taylor avy for me

[Alex The Great]

i would..but i suck at avvys :down:csad:


Good luck to Sean Taylors Family. Avenge him Washington! :cmad:

[Cmill216]

For anyone:

[Kaleb]

thanks

[Kaleb]

ASHBURN, Va. -- A little girl changed Sean Taylor's life.

Before the birth of his daughter Jackie, the Washington Redskins safety was nothing but trouble, on and off the football field, an extremely gifted athlete known more for his misdeeds than for any tackle or interception.



Taylor died early Tuesday morning, one day after being shot during a possible robbery at his home in the Miami suburb of Palmetto Bay, a tragic turn for a 24-year-old star who had matured immeasurably since Jackie's birth in May 2006 and, by all accounts, was having the best year of his career and his life.

"It's hard to expect a man to grow up overnight," said Redskins teammate and close friend Clinton Portis, who also played with Taylor at the University of Miami. "But ever since he had his child, it was like a new Sean, and everybody around here knew it. He was always smiling, always happy, always talking about his child."

Teammates and coaches often have portrayed Taylor as misunderstood, and that much was true. A private man with a small inner circle, Taylor became distrustful of reporters and anyone else he didn't know well. He rarely granted interviews, sometimes declining with a smile and a handshake and sometimes with a snarl that said: "Get out of my way."

But, behind the scenes, Taylor was described as personable and smart -- an emerging locker room leader.

"From the first day I met him, from then to now, it's just like night and day," Redskins receiver James Thrash said. "He's really got his head on his shoulders and has been doing really well as far as just being a man. It's been awesome to see that growth."

Taylor starred as a running back and defensive back at Gulliver Preparatory School in Miami. His father, Pedro Taylor, is the police chief of Florida City, Fla.

An All-American at the University of Miami, Taylor was drafted by the Redskins with the fifth overall selection in 2004. Coach Joe Gibbs called it "one of the most researched things" he's ever done, but the problems soon began. Taylor fired his agent, then skipped part of the NFL's mandatory rookie symposium, drawing a $25,000 fine. Driving home late from a party during the season, he was pulled over and charged with drunken driving. The case was dismissed in court, but by then it had become a months-long distraction for the team.

Taylor was also fined at least seven times for late hits, uniform violations and other infractions over his first three seasons, including a $17,000 penalty for spitting in the face of Tampa Bay running back Michael Pittman during a playoff game in January 2006.

Meanwhile, Taylor endured a yearlong legal battle after he was accused in 2005 of brandishing a gun at a man during a fight over allegedly stolen all-terrain vehicles near Taylor's home. He eventually pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to 18 months' probation.

Taylor said the end of the assault case was like "a gray cloud" being lifted. It was also around the time that Jackie was born, and teammates noticed a change.

"I even talked to Sean about it," left tackle Chris Samuels said. "I said, 'Man, I'm proud of you. You're doing a great job.' And he was like, 'Thanks, man, I'm just focused on my job and staying out of trouble and doing all the right things."'

On the field, Taylor's play was often erratic. Assistant coach Gregg Williams frequently called Taylor the best athlete he's ever coached, but nearly every big play was mitigated by a blown assignment. Taylor missed a number of tackles last seaosn, yet made the Pro Bowl because of his reputation as one of the hardest hitters in the league, one that earned him the nickname "Grim Reaper."

This year, however, Taylor was allowed to play a true free safety position, using his speed and power to chase down passes and crush would-be receivers. His five interceptions tie for the league lead in the NFC, even though he missed the last two games because of a sprained knee. Teammates said he had overhauled his diet this year to include more fruit, fish and vegetables and less red meat.

"I just take this job very seriously," Taylor said in a rare group interview during training camp. "It's almost like, you play a kid's game for a king's ransom. And if you don't take it serious enough, eventually one day you're going to say, 'Oh, I could have done this, I could have done that.'

"So I just say, 'I'm healthy right now, I'm going into my fourth year, and why not do the best that I can?' And that's whatever it is, whether it's eating right or training myself right, whether it's studying harder, whatever I can do to better myself."

His hard work was well-noted.

"He loved football. He felt like that's what he was made to do," Gibbs said. "And I think what I've noticed over the last year and a half ... is he matured. I think his baby had a huge impact on him. There was a real growing up in his life."



:(
I really cant cope with news like this.

[Erundur]

Sad day for everyone :down: I was glad to be able to see him play a few times at fedex field. :(

[Memphis Slim]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/fb_AAHP082_8x10~Sean-Taylor-Posters.jpg
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/dr_z/06/08/mailbag/p1_taylor2.jpg

R.I.P. Sean Taylor

[scifiwolf]

I hear you on not being able to cope, Kaleb. Thinking about the turnaround in his life - what a good person he really is - and his little girl...I'm trying as hard as I can not to cry in the middle of the library right now.

[The Evolutionist]

R.I.P. Sean Taylor

[dr venture]

My condolences go out to his family

R.I.P. Sean Taylor

[Soundwave]

Add me to the Cowboys list.

Add me to the Cowboys also. :woot:

[Soundwave]

My condolences go out to the family of Sean Taylor. Another young man taken away too early by senseless violence. So sad.:csad:

[cookiva]

Really did not want to wake up and hear this. RIP Sean Taylor. I followed your career closely, as you were called a better "Roy Williams". You drastically changed your life around, and while no one deserves this, good karma should have been on your side. You were a good man, and you will be missed.

[omid17]

Really did not want to wake up and hear this. RIP Sean Taylor. I followed your career closely, as you were called a better "Roy Williams". You drastically changed your life around, and while no one deserves this, good karma should have been on your side. You were a good man, and you will be missed.agreed:csad:, just woke up a few minutes ago and it was on the yahoo:csad:

[Jerry!]

Sean Taylor...He gone:csad:

[Dark Donnie]

Article from ESPN
Taylor dies after being shot at home
Associated Press

Updated: November 27, 2007, 1:54 PM ET
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MIAMI -- Pro Bowl safety Sean Taylor died Tuesday after he was shot in his home by an apparent intruder, leaving the Washington Redskins in mourning for a teammate who seemed to have reordered his life since becoming a father.

The 24-year-old player died at Jackson Memorial Hospital, where he had been airlifted after the shooting early Monday.

"It is with deep regret that a young man had to come to his end so soon," father Pedro Taylor said in a statement on behalf of the family. "Many of his fans loved him because the way he played football. Many of his opponents feared him the way he approached the game. Others misunderstood him, many appreciated him and his family loved him."

A string of mourners, including Taylor's father, visited the player's home and embraced outside. Authorities entered the home, but it was unclear what they were doing.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said the league will honor Taylor's memory at all games this weekend.

"We extend our heartfelt sympathy to Sean's family, friends, teammates, and the Redskins' organization. This is a terrible tragedy involving the loss of a young man who leaves behind many people struggling to understand it," Goodell said. "Our office is staying in close contact with the Redskins to provide all appropriate support to the club and Sean's family. We also are working to determine the facts surrounding this tragic event. We will honor the memory of Sean Taylor at all games this weekend."





Taylor's No. 21 will be painted in a grass parking area leading into Redskins Park in Ashburn, Va. In addition, No. 21 will also be painted in front of the Redskins Hall of Fame store.



Fans already began a makeshift memorial by laying flowers on a field near the front entrance to the practice facility. Several people paid respects at Taylor's parking space.




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Sean Taylor was tied for the NFC lead for interceptions with five and was known as one of the league's hardest-hitting defensive backs.


"This is the worst imaginable tragedy," Redskins owner Daniel Snyder said. "Our thoughts and prayers are with Sean's family."



Redskins teammate Clinton Portis also played with Taylor at the University of Miami. He had sensed a new maturity in his close friend.



"It's hard to expect a man to grow up overnight," Portis said. "But ever since he had his child, it was like a new Sean, and everybody around here knew it. He was always smiling, always happy, always talking about his child."



Two bouquets were left by a palm tree outside a front gate of the home. Beside the mailbox, an untouched newspaper lay with news of Taylor's shooting.



Taylor's death comes nearly a year after Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams was killed in a drive-by shooting following an argument at a Denver nightclub on Jan. 1. University of Miami defensive lineman Bryan Pata was shot to death in November 2006 several miles from Taylor's home in an unsolved killing.



Doctors had been encouraged late Monday when Taylor squeezed a nurse's hand, according to Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins' vice president of football operations. But family friend Richard Sharpstein said he was told Taylor never regained consciousness after being taken to the hospital, and he wasn't sure how he had squeezed the nurse's hand. He said Taylor's father told him the death occurred about 5:30 a.m.



"Maybe he was trying to say goodbye or something," Sharpstein said.



Taylor, the fifth overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft following an All-American season at Miami, was shot early Monday in the upper leg, damaging the key femoral artery and causing significant blood loss.



"According to a preliminary investigation, it appears that the victim was shot inside the home by an intruder," Miami-Dade County police said in a statement. "We do not have a subject description at this time."



The attack came just eight days after an intruder was reported at Taylor's home. Officers were sent to the home about 1:45 a.m. Monday after Taylor's girlfriend called 911.



Sharpstein said Taylor's girlfriend told him the couple was awakened by loud noises, and Taylor grabbed a machete he keeps in the bedroom for protection. Someone then broke through the bedroom door and fired two shots, one missing and one hitting Taylor, Sharpstein said. Taylor's 1-year-old daughter, Jackie, was also in the house, but neither she nor Taylor's girlfriend was injured.



Police found signs of forced entry, but have not determined whether they were caused Monday or during the previous burglary.



The shooting happened in the pale yellow house Taylor bought two years ago. In last week's break-in, police said someone pried open a front window, rifled through drawers and left a kitchen knife on a bed.



Taylor starred as a running back and defensive back at Gulliver Prep in Miami. His father is police chief of Florida City.



"I am devastated over the loss of Sean Taylor," Miami coach Randy Shannon said. "When he was a student at the University of Miami, I got to know him as a person and as a football player. He was passionate about everything he did and was a great friend to his teammates. My thoughts are with his family."





A private man with a small inner circle, Taylor rarely granted interviews. But, behind the scenes, Taylor was described as personable and smart.



After Taylor was drafted, problems soon began. Taylor fired his agent, then skipped part of the NFL's mandatory rookie symposium, drawing a $25,000 fine. Driving home late from a party during the season, he was pulled over and charged with drunken driving. The case was dismissed in court, but by then it had become a monthslong distraction for the Redskins.



Taylor also was fined at least seven times for late hits, uniform violations and other infractions over his first three seasons, including a $17,000 penalty for spitting in the face of an opponent during a 2006 playoff game.



Taylor endured a yearlong legal battle after he was accused in 2005 of brandishing a gun at a man during a fight over allegedly stolen all-terrain vehicles near Taylor's home. He eventually pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to 18 months' probation.



Taylor said the end of the assault case was like "a gray cloud" being lifted. It was also around the time that his daughter was born, and teammates noticed a change.



On the field, Taylor's play was often erratic. Assistant coach Gregg Williams frequently called Taylor the best athlete he'd ever coached, but nearly every big play was mitigated by a blown assignment. Taylor led the NFL in missed tackles in 2006 yet made the Pro Bowl because of his reputation as one of the hardest hitters in the league.



This year, however, Taylor was allowed to play a true free safety position, using his speed and power to chase down passes and crush would-be receivers. His five interceptions tie for the league lead in the NFC, even though he missed the last two games because of a sprained knee.



"I just take this job very seriously," Taylor said in a rare group interview during training camp. "It's almost like, you play a kid's game for a king's ransom. And if you don't take it serious enough, eventually one day you're going to say, 'Oh, I could have done this, I could have done that.'



"So I just say, 'I'm healthy right now, I'm going into my fourth year, and why not do the best that I can?' And that's whatever it is, whether it's eating right or training myself right, whether it's studying harder, whatever I can do to better myself."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3129406

[Darthphere]

I hate the media. The way they report things is horrendous. I mean, is it necessary to bring him up his past troubles with the law at this time? Really? Show some class people.

[Sun_Down]

I hate the media. The way they report things is horrendous. I mean, is it necessary to bring him up his past troubles with the law at this time? Really? Show some class people.

I understand what you're saying, but his past struggles were part of his story. And according to his teammates, he'd really turned things around in the last couple years, especially since the birth of his daughter. It really makes it all the more tragic because it seemed like as soon as he cleaned up his act, he was taken so suddenly.

RIP Sean

[Jerry!]

Which is why everyone saying "he is reaping what he sows" or "live by the gun, die by the gun" needs to just stop.

[Sun_Down]

Which is why everyone saying "he is reaping what he sows" or "live by the gun, die by the gun" needs to just stop.

Agreed 100%. I was truly disgusted by some of the things I read on this forum regarding that.

[BlackLantern]

Which is why everyone saying "he is reaping what he sows" or "live by the gun, die by the gun" needs to just stop.

I feel conflicted by the whole situation. part of me is sad that he was killed, but another part of me feels the above sentiment. granted he did turn his life around, but is that really something to be proud of??? are we living in a world of lowered expectations because someone actually started behaving in a normal, law abiding fashion.....? In any case, I feel awful for his family and his daughter who wont have her father

[cookiva]

I feel conflicted by the whole situation. part of me is sad that he was killed, but another part of me feels the above sentiment. granted he did turn his life around, but is that really something to be proud of??? are we living in a world of lowered expectations because someone actually started behaving in a normal, law abiding fashion.....? In any case, I feel awful for his family and his daughter who wont have her father

Are you serious??? So when someone does change, we still badmouth them??? Are you saying that if Tank Johnson changes and becomes a model citizen, we should still badmouth him???

[BlackLantern]

Are you serious??? So when someone does change, we still badmouth them??? Are you saying that if Tank Johnson changes and becomes a model citizen, we should still badmouth him???

not badmouth him(tank johnson), but he shouldnt be lauded as a great man because he is acting like every other citizen does

[omid17]

not badmouth him(tank johnson), but he shouldnt be lauded as a great man because he is acting like every other citizen does
he did work his ass up to the NFL

[cookiva]

not badmouth him(tank johnson), but he shouldnt be lauded as a great man because he is acting like every other citizen does

We arent giving him medals or anything. All we are saying is that sure, if it was Pac Man Jones, maybe he had it coming. But Sean Taylor has tried out of his mind to get away from that type of lifestyle, and yet he still died. He became a good man, and to say that a good man deserved to die is an insult bigger than any other one you could give.

[Addendum]

Well, what do you expect from an asshol#

[BlackLantern]

he did work his ass up to the NFL

so is that supposed to excuse his legal transgressions?

[Kaleb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69nIToQ24i4

Eric Cartman Introduces Colorado's Starting Defense

[Jerry!]

he did work his ass up to the NFL

And he is in the process of throwing it all away because of how he is.

[cookiva]

so is that supposed to excuse his legal transgressions?

No, but it shows us that he is sorry for what happened in the past. Im glad that you are not the one making the choices for who enters heaven, as you wont realize that people can change for the better.

[BlackLantern]

We arent giving him medals or anything. All we are saying is that sure, if it was Pac Man Jones, maybe he had it coming. But Sean Taylor has tried out of his mind to get away from that type of lifestyle, and yet he still died. He became a good man, and to say that a good man deserved to die is an insult bigger than any other one you could give.

I havent read back the previous pages and I would not say he deserved to die at all, but like I said, I felt conflicted because of his past. To be completely honest, when I heard yesterday about what happened, I was not surprised.

So he had to try hard to be an upstanding citizen?? I manage to pull it off every day with little effort....i only hope his family will be able to pull through this as this is something that is bigger than football

[cookiva]

So he had to try hard to be an upstanding citizen?? I manage to pull it off every day with little effort

How about we just pretend like it was Peyton Manning who was shot. Would you say that because he was a good man, he didnt deserve to die???

how is that any different???

[BlackLantern]

How about we just pretend like it was Peyton Manning who was shot. Would you say that because he was a good man, he didnt deserve to die???

how is that any different???

like you said before, Karma

it doesnt always work how you think...not once have I said he deserved to die or badmouthed him in any way, all I am saying is that it is awful what happened, but I was feeling conflicted about it

[cookiva]

So what you were saying is that it isnt the worst thing in the world that a man who was trying his heart out to save his own life died???

[Kaleb]

Well Ricky Williams comeback lasted long, he is done for the season

[Addendum]

Black Lantern wants a medal for being a "model citizen". But no one cares so he has to settle for attention by saying stuff

[Jerry!]

I havent read back the previous pages and I would not say he deserved to die at all, but like I said, I felt conflicted because of his past. To be completely honest, when I heard yesterday about what happened, I was not surprised.

So he had to try hard to be an upstanding citizen?? I manage to pull it off every day with little effort....i only hope his family will be able to pull through this as this is something that is bigger than football

He made the appropriate changes in his life, he corrected his mistakes and was a new person. Why fault him any more?

[BlackLantern]

So what you were saying is that it isnt the worst thing in the world that a man who was trying his heart out to save his own life died???

It is horrible what happened, but I wont put the man on a pedastal just because he is dead

[BlackLantern]

He made the appropriate changes in his life, he corrected his mistakes and was a new person. Why fault him any more?

I am not faulting him at all, I was just expressing my feelings about the situation

[Jerry!]

Who is doing that? Who is putting him on a pedestal?

[terry78]

I have just been pissed about this Taylor thing all day, man. We were at work hoping he would pull through, then we keep hearing his situation is getting worse. Damn it. I hate when people go young.

[BlackLantern]

Who is doing that? Who is putting him on a pedestal?

some of the media and some of the posters in here...

[cookiva]

One of the best players in the NFL dies after he has only played a few seasons. That is sad upon itself.

[cookiva]

some of the media and some of the posters in here...

I havent seen a single poster saying that he is the greatest man ever. I havent even heard anything in the news praising his life. They always talk about his troubled past, but they also dont forget to mention that he has made a big attempt to change and save his life. You have to atleast realize that its sad that a man who made a strong push to change his life for the better died so young.

[BlackLantern]

I havent seen a single poster saying that he is the greatest man ever. I havent even heard anything in the news praising his life. They always talk about his troubled past, but they also dont forget to mention that he has made a big attempt to change and save his life. You have to atleast realize that its sad that a man who made a strong push to change his life for the better died so young.

I believe I did say it was horrid that he died

[Addendum]

Black Lantern doesn't realize that. He's a perfect individual :dry:

[cookiva]

So, according to BL, you have to be a model citizen who gives all of his money to charity in order to not be mocked during death.

[BlackLantern]

So, according to BL, you have to be a model citizen who gives all of his money to charity in order to not be mocked during death.

I said nothing about giving money to charity. My point was I am not going to pat someone on the back for behaving as they should

[Showtime]

Well Ricky Williams comeback lasted long, he is done for the season

Are you serious?

[BlackLantern]

ricky did get stepped on by a 300 lb man....square on the shoulder too

[cookiva]

I said nothing about giving money to charity. My point was I am not going to pat someone on the back for behaving as they should

Thats not what we are doing. People here, at first, said he deserved it. We are now talking about what he has done to steer clear of that life. Its not like we want him to receive a medal. All we are saying is that he honestly didnt deserve this to happen to him.

[Showtime]

ricky did get stepped on by a 300 lb man....square on the shoulder too

He didn't look hurt, I am just suprised. I saw the replay and thought man, his shoulder is bungled, but the guy was smiling on the sidelines. Maybe he was high?

[Immortalfire]

He didn't look hurt, I am just suprised. I saw the replay and thought man, his shoulder is bungled, but the guy was smiling on the sidelines. Maybe he was high?

No maybes about it.

[Fran]

The thing that makes me sad more than that is his little daughter.

Daddy won't be around to see her grow up. :csad:

[Dark Donnie]

Not sure if it was posted...Simeon Rice got cut....again

[Showtime]

Not sure if it was posted...Simeon Rice got cut....again

Maybe the Patriots will pick him and get him a ring...

[Dark Donnie]

I understand what you're saying, but his past struggles were part of his story. And according to his teammates, he'd really turned things around in the last couple years, especially since the birth of his daughter. It really makes it all the more tragic because it seemed like as soon as he cleaned up his act, he was taken so suddenly.

RIP Sean

Exactly....some, not all I think were trying to stress how much he has changed since the birth of his child.

[Dark Donnie]

Maybe the Patriots will pick him and get him a ring...

I think he got one with the Bucs

[Showtime]

I think he got one with the Bucs

Two doesn't hurt?

[Kaleb]

Not sure if it was posted...Simeon Rice got cut....again
That really doesnt make any sense , I mean wasnt he bought in specifically because Dwight got a season ending inury?

[Mee]

That really doesnt make any sense , I mean wasnt he bought in specifically because Dwight got a season ending inury?
Replacing Freeney with Rice is like replacing LT with Priest Holmes. They're just not what they were. :csad:

[Advanced Dark]

Sounds to me he like he had alot of enemies including someone he brandished a gun at.