2007 NFL Thread

[StorminNorman]

Sadly, another NFL Season is gone (who counts the Pro Bowl?).

The good news is even the Cardinals are tied first place at this very second.

The other good news is that my favorite time of the NFL Calender is about to begin: The Draft and Free Agency.

So lets join hands and talk about how gay your team is for not drafting your favorite player with their first pick, or how Peyton Manning still can't win the big game, or why Vince Young should become a Green Lantern. We only have 8 more months until kickoff 2007.

To start off the thread, here is my first Mock Draft for this year:

1: Raiders – Jamarcus Russell QB LSU
2: Lions – Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
3: Browns – Alan Branch DT Michigan
4: Bucs – Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
5: Cardinals – LaRon Landry S LSU
6: Redskins – Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
7: Vikings – Gaines Adams DE Clemson
8: Texans – Adrien Peterson RB Oklahoma
9: Dolphins – Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
10: Falcons – Reggie Jackson S Florida
11: 49ers – Dwayne Jarrett WR USC
12: Bills – Leon Hall CB Michigan
13: Rams – Quinton Moses DE Georgia
14: Panthers – Paul Posluszny OLB Penn St.
15: Steelers – Levi Brown OT Penn State
16: Packers – Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
17: Jaguars – Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State
18: Bengals – Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
19: Titans – Dwayne Bowe WR LSU
20: Giants – Marshawn Lynch RB Cal
21: Broncos – Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburg
22: Cowboys – Michael Griffin S Texas
23: Chiefs – Joe Staley OT C Michigan
24: Patriots –. Sydney Rice WR USCar
25: Jets – DeMarcus Tyler DT NC State
26: Eagles – Lawrence Timmons OLB FSU
27: Saints – Patrick Willis ILB Ole Miss
28: Patriots (Seattle) – Marcus McCauley CB Fresno St
29: Ravens – Ben Grubbs OG Auburn
30: Chargers – Jon Beason OLB Miami
31: Bears – Greg Olsen TE Miami
32: Colts – Charles Johnson DE Georgia

[Fran]

Where do you think Stanton will go?

[StorminNorman]

Carolina - 2nd Round.

[Fran]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11122533&postcount=910

I'm just TiVo'ing this, sorta... StorminNorman won the pool, therefore, HE creates the thread. :up:

Here are the non-finals standings as well.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11122565&postcount=925

[rdh007]

I'm hoping the Vikings take Leon Hall or that kid from Florida. Their D-backfield needs help.

[Addendum]

I'm just waiting for the regular season kickoff

[StorminNorman]

I'm hoping the Vikings take Leon Hall or that kid from Florida. Their D-backfield needs help.

A good pass rush can solve a lot of defensive backfield woes.

[ScottyBBadd]

Sadly, another NFL Season is gone (who counts the Pro Bowl?).

The good news is even the Cardinals are tied first place at this very second.

The other good news is that my favorite time of the NFL Calender is about to begin: The Draft and Free Agency.

So lets join hands and talk about how gay your team is for not drafting your favorite player with their first pick, or how Peyton Manning still can't win the big game, or why Vince Young should become a Green Lantern. We only have 8 more months until kickoff 2007.

To start off the thread, here is my first Mock Draft for this year:

1: Raiders – Jamarcus Russell QB LSU
2: Lions – Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
3: Browns – Alan Branch DT Michigan
4: Bucs – Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
5: Cardinals – LaRon Landry S LSU
6: Redskins – Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
7: Vikings – Gaines Adams DE Clemson
8: Texans – Adrien Peterson RB Oklahoma
9: Dolphins – Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
10: Falcons – Reggie Jackson S Florida
11: 49ers – Dwayne Jarrett WR USC
12: Bills – Leon Hall CB Michigan
13: Rams – Quinton Moses DE Georgia
14: Panthers – Paul Posluszny OLB Penn St.
15: Steelers – Levi Brown OT Penn State
16: Packers – Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
17: Jaguars – Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State
18: Bengals – Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
19: Titans – Dwayne Bowe WR LSU
20: Giants – Marshawn Lynch RB Cal
21: Broncos – Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburg
22: Cowboys – Michael Griffin S Texas
23: Chiefs – Joe Staley OT C Michigan
24: Patriots –. Sydney Rice WR USCar
25: Jets – DeMarcus Tyler DT NC State
26: Eagles – Lawrence Timmons OLB FSU
27: Saints – Patrick Willis ILB Ole Miss
28: Patriots (Seattle) – Marcus McCauley CB Fresno St
29: Ravens – Ben Grubbs OG Auburn
30: Chargers – Jon Beason OLB Miami
31: Bears – Greg Olsen TE Miami
32: Colts – Charles Johnson DE Georgia


I am not sure. DeMarcus Tyler out of NC State makes as much sense for the Cowboys. But The Boyz will go defense in the 1st round.

[ComicChick]

Sadly, another NFL Season is gone (who counts the Pro Bowl?).

To start off the thread, here is my first Mock Draft for this year:

15: Steelers – Levi Brown OT Penn State


he's went to our rival high school. i've seen him when he played on their basketball team.

[StorminNorman]

I am not sure. DeMarcus Tyler out of NC State makes as much sense for the Cowboys. But The Boyz will go defense in the 1st round.

The Cowboys need a safety that can play along side Roy Williams, preferably a cover safety.

Jason Ferguson has already stationed himself as a starter - and while they need depth, that can be dealt with later in the draft. You draft a starter in the first round.

Plus Griffin is a hometown pick.

[Fran]

Drew Stanton will be drafted by....























































The St. Louis Rams! :)

Here's hoping :csad::up:

[Byrd Man]

Go Raiders. :csad:

[StorminNorman]

My Thread Title Got Changed :cmad:

Now I am going to go write an album of nothing but angry jewish-pop music crying about conformity :(

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f39/StorminNormanTho/SNRing.jpg

[Cmill216]

Calvin mutha****in' Johnson.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2112/georgiatechcalvinjohnsozn8.jpg

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2010/tampabaylogoaw6.gif

[StorminNorman]

Calvin mutha****in' Johnson.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2112/georgiatechcalvinjohnsozn8.jpg

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2010/tampabaylogoaw6.gif

Just be glad Tampa doesnt have Georgia on their schedule. Calvin wasn't so Super against us. :woot:

[DarthRekal]

i just want LA to get a team:csad:

[ComicChick]

i want the panthers to have a playoff run this year.

[Cmill216]

i want the panthers to have a playoff run this year.

Neva!

[StorminNorman]

The Falcons will own both the Bucs and the Cats this year :cmad:

[Cmill216]

The Falcons will own both the Bucs and the Cats this year :cmad:

If your crazy Normany definition of "own" is "to be swept by", then yes. The Falcons will own both the Bucs and the Cats this year. But moreso the Bucs.

[thehippie]

Sadly, another NFL Season is gone (who counts the Pro Bowl?).

The good news is even the Cardinals are tied first place at this very second.

The other good news is that my favorite time of the NFL Calender is about to begin: The Draft and Free Agency.

So lets join hands and talk about how gay your team is for not drafting your favorite player with their first pick, or how Peyton Manning still can't win the big game, or why Vince Young should become a Green Lantern. We only have 8 more months until kickoff 2007.

To start off the thread, here is my first Mock Draft for this year:

1: Raiders – Jamarcus Russell QB LSU
2: Lions – Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
3: Browns – Alan Branch DT Michigan
4: Bucs – Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
5: Cardinals – LaRon Landry S LSU
6: Redskins – Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
7: Vikings – Gaines Adams DE Clemson
8: Texans – Adrien Peterson RB Oklahoma
9: Dolphins – Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
10: Falcons – Reggie Jackson S Florida
11: 49ers – Dwayne Jarrett WR USC
12: Bills – Leon Hall CB Michigan
13: Rams – Quinton Moses DE Georgia
14: Panthers – Paul Posluszny OLB Penn St.
15: Steelers – Levi Brown OT Penn State
16: Packers – Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
17: Jaguars – Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State
18: Bengals – Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
19: Titans – Dwayne Bowe WR LSU
20: Giants – Marshawn Lynch RB Cal
21: Broncos – Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburg
22: Cowboys – Michael Griffin S Texas
23: Chiefs – Joe Staley OT C Michigan
24: Patriots –. Sydney Rice WR USCar
25: Jets – DeMarcus Tyler DT NC State
26: Eagles – Lawrence Timmons OLB FSU
27: Saints – Patrick Willis ILB Ole Miss
28: Patriots (Seattle) – Marcus McCauley CB Fresno St
29: Ravens – Ben Grubbs OG Auburn
30: Chargers – Jon Beason OLB Miami
31: Bears – Greg Olsen TE Miami
32: Colts – Charles Johnson DE Georgia

The vikings won't take a DE with the 7th pick, it'll be a wide reciever, hopefully Ted Ginn jr.
also branch and landry won't go that high...and Amobi Okoye will go higher then that

[Eddie Brock]

my prediction - Garcia in a Bears jersey
Grossman in a McDonald's drive-thru

[Cmill216]

my prediction - Garcia in a Bucs jersey

:up:

Grossman in a Wendy's drive-thru

Edited for accuracy. :hyper:

[Eddie Brock]

:up:



Edited for accuracy. :hyper:
oh yeah

even McDonald's wouldn't stoop to THAT level

[ScottyBBadd]

The Cowboys need a safety that can play along side Roy Williams, preferably a cover safety.

Jason Ferguson has already stationed himself as a starter - and while they need depth, that can be dealt with later in the draft. You draft a starter in the first round.

Plus Griffin is a hometown pick.

I have checked several early mock drafts, and the name that comes up the most often is Justin Blalock OT/OG UT, but several recievers are mentioned @ 22. I have seen 2 mock drafts that have Ted Ginn Jr. WR OSU avalable @ 22.(One can hope.)

[dr venture]

my prediction - Garcia in a Bears jersey
Grossman in a McDonald's drive-thru

:woot:Lol

[ScottyBBadd]

Drew Stanton will be drafted by....The St. Louis Rams! :)

Here's hoping :csad::up:

Only if he lasts to them in the 2nd round. He is a major reach @ 13. The highest I have seen Drew Stanton go in the early mock drafts is 31. to Chicago. Granted it is early, but the posturing has already started.

[Mee]

WooOOOo 2007!


...I wish Jerry Jones would just hire somebody already. :down

And not Norv Turner.:o

[PWN3R]

2007. The Year of the Minnesota Vikings. That's right. The Vikings.

[ScottyBBadd]

WooOOOo 2007!


...I wish Jerry Jones would just hire somebody already. :down

And not Norv Turner.:o

I think JJ is leaning toward Ron Rivera.

[Mee]

I think JJ is leaning toward Ron Rivera.
Yeah, I think it's down to him and Wade Phillips. And maybe Singletary.

I'd rather have Rivera, I think.

[thehippie]

2007. The Year of the Minnesota Vikings. That's right. The Vikings.

yeah...the vikings are going to get there ass kicked...either bollinger or jackson as qb...not looking good for us vikings fans :(

though hopefully we get ted ginn, that way while there sucking it up, we'll have something fun and exciting to watch

[ComicChick]

steve smith and keyshawn johnson should combine for at least 1200 yards this year

[Kaleb]

Patriots off season needs
Our team-by-team look at the offseason continues with the AFC East champion Patriots, whose legions of fans are presumably still alive and kicking despite the fact their heroes went belly-up in the AFC title game… at the hands of none other than Peyton Manning.

Areas of Need: The Best Quarterback to Ever Roam the Earth doesn't require a top notch set of wide receivers to do his thing, but 2006 proved even Tom Brady can't make chicken soup out of chicken, um, poo. After losing David Givens and Deion Branch, the team turned to free agent acquisition Reche Caldwell and a cast of thousands that included, at one point or another, Doug Gabriel, rookie Chad Jackson, Troy Brown, and Jabar Gaffney. While Caldwell and Gaffney had their moments, a season-long battle with inconsistency (not to mention Reche's two inconceivable drops in the AFC Championship game) proved this team could use a serious kick in the pants out wide.

Tight end Daniel Graham is an unrestricted free agent and, while the team would like to keep him, they also prepared for his absence by selecting two tight ends within the first four rounds of last year's draft. Ben Watson and Dave Thomas played well in 2006, but Graham will be a priority if he can be kept at a decent price.

Considering he spent the entire year lugging a Steinway & Sons on his back, Corey Dillon handed in a remarkable season. After scoring at least a dozen touchdowns for the third straight season in New England, however, it's unclear if the aging veteran will be back with the Patriots next year. Dillon would cost the Pats $4.4 million against the 2007 salary cap unless they renegotiate, which seems like the only way Corey would return given the presence of Laurence Maroney in the same backfield. The Patriots play hardball with their salary cap and have never been shy about letting veteran players walk, rather than paying exorbitant dollars to keep them around. Fantasy owners should keep a close eye on this situation, as it will have huge ramifications on Maroney, and in turn within the top 10 of the 2007 running back rankings.

The Patriots will almost certainly devote most of their offseason attention to the defense, particularly the linebacker position and the defensive secondary. At this point, it's unclear if Tedy Bruschi will return for another season. Ditto for Junior Seau, who is too old and fragile to be counted on even if he does come back. Tully Banta-Cain came from out of nowhere to post a solid season that will likely earn him multi-millions somewhere else this offseason, which leaves only Mike Vrabel and Rosevelt Colvin as locks to return in the middle. At safety, Rodney Harrison is expected back, but is old and injury-prone (sensing a pattern here?), while cornerback Asante Samuel could be the most sought-after free agent on the open market after his breakout 2006 season. The Pats are unlikely to pay for his services, unless they opt to slap the franchise tag on him, which would carry with it a $7.79 million price tag, according to NFLPA figures.

Help is on the Way? According to a report in the St. Petersburg Times, the Patriots will be $30.4 million under the salary cap going into the offseason, which is good enough to rank them among the 10 teams with the most space with which to maneuver.

Gaffney and Caldwell showed enough in 2006 that they'll probably be back. Jackson could provide a huge boost if he can stay healthy and start delivering on the promise that made him a second-round draft pick a year ago. A weak free agent receiver class that includes the likes of Drew Bennett, Patrick Crayton, and D.J. Hackett is far from attractive, which means the Pats could use one of their two first-round draft picks (they own the Nos. 24 and 28 picks) on a receiver like LSU's Dwayne Bowe.

Don't be surprised, however, if both first-rounders are spent to address the significant areas of need on defense.

Given the glaring holes in the middle, some early mock drafts have predicted the Patriots to take linebackers with both first-rounders. Players like Jarvis Moss of Florida, Patrick Willis of Ole Miss, and Paul Posluszny of Penn State would make a lot of sense. As it relates to free agency, some have suggested Bears linebacker Lance Briggs might be a target, but his skillset doesn't fit well with the Patriots 3-4 defensive scheme and there is growing sentiment that the Bears might hit Briggs with the franchise tag. Other free agent options include Adalius Thomas and Na'il Diggs.

Losing Samuel would hurt, but Belichick has proven a master of piecing his secondary together with street free agents, late-round draft picks, and even veteran wide receivers. In 2006, the team once again fought through a rash of injuries and still wound up leading the NFL with a league-low 10 passing touchdowns allowed. The Pats believe 2005 third-rounder Ellis Hobbs can continue to develop into an elite corner on one side, and they were happy with the play of second-year man James Sanders at safety when Harrison missed a handful of games last season. Still, it wouldn't be a surprise if they pursue a free agent like Eagles' safety Michael Lewis. Other options would be Ken Hamlin and Deion Grant, and the Pats will almost certainly stock up on young defensive backs in the draft as well. fanball.com

[Kaleb]

Seahawks offseason needs
We continue our team-by-team look at offseason needs with the Seahawks, who suffered through a parade of injuries to key players last year. Everyone is expected to be healthy entering 2007, but that doesn't mean they won't be busy making several moves, many of which could alter players' fantasy value.

Areas of Need: Not long ago the Seahawks boasted one of, if not the, best offensive line in the NFL, but that unit was a big disappointment last season. It started with the offseason departure of Pro Bowl guard Steve Hutchinson to the Vikings, which forced Porkchop Womack to start at left guard and he struggled to be close to the dominant force Hutch was. All-Pro tackle Walter Jones dealt with injuries for part of the season and turned in a sub-par performance. Center Robbie Tobeck missed a good chunk of time with an injury, opening the door for Chris Spencer to come in and take his job. All this shuffling on the line has created more uncertainly than we're accustomed to seeing in Seattle. The team is going to have to take a long look at Womack and determine if he is the answer at guard. Tobeck will have to examine if he wants to return as member of the second string; if not, the Seahawks will be searching for a backup center this offseason. They will also be looking to re-sign veteran free agent guard Chris Gray before he hits the open market.

Tight end Jerramy Stevens is an unrestricted free agent and may have played his last game in the Seahawks uniform, much to the delight of the home crowd which made a habit out of booing him after every dropped pass—which necessitated quite a bit of booing. However, if Butterfingers is allowed to leave and drop catchable passes in another city, the Seahawks would be left with Will Heller and Ben "Another Injury Is Coming Soon" Joppru as the only tight ends on the roster since Itula Mili was cut during the playoffs. Getting a playmaker at tight end would be welcome news for both Matt Hasselbeck and fantasy owners.

On defense, the Seahawks need to address their issues in the secondary. There isn't a lot of depth at cornerback and strong safety is a question mark after Michael Boulware was benched in favor of Jordan Babineaux during the season. Plus, the team probably wants to back up Ken Hamlin with someone better than Oliver Celestin. At least we hope so.

Help is on the Way? The Seahawks are roughly $22 million under the cap entering the offseason, according to the St. Petersburg Times, so they have the flexibility to go after some free agents. Some of that money may go to Stevens if Seattle chooses to re-sign him. If they opt to go another direction, they may target an available tight end such as the oft-injured Eric Johnson, veteran Kyle Brady, or Daniel Graham.

The Hawks' quest to shore up their offensive line will probably lead them to the draft, where they can add some quality depth despite not having a pick in the first round. Players like Doug Datish, Samson Satele, and Andy Alleman all grade out as mid-round prospects, providing the Seahawks with short-term depth in the middle of the line and could develop into a start down the road.

The draft could also provide secondary help, although the lack of a first-round selection means they likely won't land anyone who will start as a rookie. Even so, adding Brandon Meriweather or Eric Weddle would be a boost to the safety position and getting Aaron Ross or Marcus McCauley, who has plenty of talent but is seeing his stock take a big hit after the Senior Bowl, could provide a similar upgrade to the depth of the cornerback corps. Free agency also could hold some answers for the team's secondary, especially with quality options like Randall Gay and Michael Lewis available for the highest bidder.
fanball.com

[Kaleb]

Ravens offseason needs

We continue our team-by-team look at offseason needs with the Ravens, who added Steve McNair last offseason and rolled to a 13-3 regular season mark, only to be held without a touchdown in their playoff loss to the Colts. The defense is still solid, but key personnel on both sides of the ball are seeing their window of opportunity close rapidly. Ozzie Newsome knows what he's doing, but this offseason he'll have to serve the twin masters of getting younger across the board while filling key holes for another postseason run.

Areas of Need: You'd think a team fresh off a 13-win season with 19 of their 22 starters under contract for 2007 would be in pretty good shape. However, this offseason is actually shaping up as one of the more challenging the Ravens have faced in some time.

Despite the team's inability to reach the end zone in their playoff loss to the Colts, expect Steve McNair to return at quarterback, with Kyle Boller as his capable backup. McNair was exactly the solution the Ravens expected during the regular season, but he, like the rest of the offense, was severely lacking in the postseason. Boller isn't necessarily the solution, either, but with other areas requiring more immediate attention Brian Billick will stick with McNair for another season.

The same is not likely for Jamal Lewis, who is due a $5 million roster bonus in March. Lewis compiled another pedestrian season, and recently revealed that bone spurs in his ankle were the culprit. However, he hasn't been the same since his monster 2003 season, and the Ravens seem ready to let him walk and pursue other alternatives at running back. Given that Billick loves to run the ball, this move has tremendous fantasy ramifications; whomever winds up as Baltimore's primary ball carrier will have significant fantasy value.

The Ravens are relatively set at receiver, assuming veteran wideout Derrick Mason stops grumbling about his role and plays nice. Up-and-comer Mark Clayton is emerging as a fantasy factor—at least as much as a receiver on such a run-heavy team can be—and Todd Heap remains one of the most talented, albeit oft-injured, tight ends in the league. Demetrius Williams is slated to be the third receiver, if only because the next three guys on the depth chart—Clarence Moore, Devard Darling, and Alex Bannister—can all test free agency.

The Ravens may have a gaping hole to fill at left tackle if Jonathan Ogden retires, but odds are he returns for one more season. More pressing is the need to re-sign right tackle Tony Pashos. Jason Brown will likely push for one of the starting guard gigs, and the Ravens have spent their last two second-round picks on linemen they're grooming for the day when Ogden—or guard Edwin Mulitalo or center Mike Flynn—really do hang it up. However, you can never have too much depth on the offensive line, so expect Baltimore to address this position yet again, most likely via a mid-round draft pick.

Defensively, the key for Baltimore will be retaining the services of linebacker Adalius Thomas. That may require the franchise tag, though the Ravens will likely pursue a longer-term deal to spread the cap hit over a longer period since they're roughly $6 million under the cap at the moment. Even if Thomas returns the Ravens will probably check out this year's crop of linebackers, as Ray Lewis can't play forever. The secondary could use some depth, especially with the plan to move Samari Rolle to nickel back. Baltimore is also thin at safety, where fifth-round pick Dawan Landry started and free-agent-to-be Gerome Sapp backed him up.

Help is on the Way? Newsome and Billick have several decisions to make regarding their current roster before they start filling needs. Will Jamal be brought back? Can they retain Thomas? Does Ogden have another year left in the tank?

For fantasy purposes, the major decisions here involve Lewis and, to a lesser extent, Ogden. If Jamal departs, the Ravens could just hand the ball to Mike Anderson, signed last offseason. Backup Musa Smith is also a free agent, so running back depth could become a concern as well. If the plan is to have Anderson be that depth, the Ravens could pursue San Diego's Michael Turner via a trade—though the offer would have to be pretty good for one AFC contender to provide a rival with such a key component. The draft contains several big backs in the mold Billick likes them, including Cal's Marshawn Lynch (who will probably be gone before the Ravens get a chance to pick him), Louisville's Michael Bush, and Penn State's Tony Hunt.

If Ogden does call it quits, the need for a lineman becomes a priority. It's unlikely Penn State's Levi Jones would fall to Baltimore, but they could make it three seasons in a row taking a lineman in round two by pursuing Tennessee's Arron Sears or Arkansas' Tony Ugoh.

The departure of Thomas, combined with Father Time catching up to Lewis, might force the Ravens to consider a linebacker as early as round one; their relatively miniscule cap room will likely preclude them from pursuing any of the marquee free agents, and if they were to spend that money it would likely be to retain Thomas anyway. Mississippi's Patrick Willis would be a great fit, but he may not be on the board when the Ravens go on the clock. Undersized Buster Davis from Florida State could be an alternative, as could Michigan's David Harris.

The Ravens won't have the luxury of resting on their laurels coming off a 13-win season. And they'll have to get their roster in order before looking outside to see what help is available. But few handle such tasks as well as Newsome, so we trust the Ravens will be able to take care of business.

fanball.com

[Kaleb]

ESPN's Chris Mortensen is reporting that Chargers defensive coordinator Wade Phillips will be named Dallas' head coach.

Contract terms haven't been worked out, but an announcement is expected to come Thursday. Phillips was a head coach previously in Denver and Buffalo, compiling a 48-39 record. He's being picked over 49ers offensive coordinator Norv Turner and Bears defensive coordinator Ron Rivera for the Dallas job.

[Kaleb]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/kaleb007/Nowak.jpg

[ComicChick]

i hope this thread has more pics than the last one

[Assassin]

lets go lions!

[ComicChick]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l27/batdak/mannings_l.jpg

[Mister J]

steve smith and keyshawn johnson should combine for at least 1200 yards this year
If he's healthy, Smith pretty much gets that by himself.

[Immortalfire]

Faallllllccccoonssss

[Fran]

Rams! :cmad::up:

[Immortalfire]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/norwood.jpg
Titan: "Hey come back Norwood! I have to prove the Hype wrong!"

[Showtime]

Yeah, I think it's down to him and Wade Phillips. And maybe Singletary.

I'd rather have Rivera, I think.

I heard confirmation on Boston's WEEI radio that it is in fact Wade Phillips as the next Cowboys coach.

[Showtime]

fanball.com

Nice. Thanks man.

[Mee]

I heard confirmation on Boston's WEEI radio that it is in fact Wade Phillips as the next Cowboys coach.
Yep, saw it on ESPN.

I'm not sold on him. He's a good coordinator, but his head coaching hasn't been too successful.

So we'll see.

[Ben Urich]

9: Dolphins – Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame

Never! :cmad:

http://www.phins.com/graphics/Dolphin_Daunte_Culpepper_02.jpg
Daunte 4 lyfe, yo. :o

[Fran]

^ :o :o :o :o :o :o :dry:

[Erzengel]

C'mon Giants. Let's make it to the 2nd round of the Playoffs this time eh? :csad:

[Fran]

Without Tiki, your best bet is to hope they even make the playoffs. :o

[BRUTAL]

burn...

[StorminNorman]

The vikings won't take a DE with the 7th pick, it'll be a wide reciever, hopefully Ted Ginn jr.
also branch and landry won't go that high...and Amobi Okoye will go higher then that

There is not a WR out there worth a 7th round pick.

As far as Branch and Landry go - while they may not be the players at the time, they fill the greatest need for the team.

I am not very high on Okoye.

[StorminNorman]

my prediction - Garcia in a Bears jersey
Grossman in a McDonald's drive-thru

Good job mate - you just proved you have no credible knowledge of the game :up: :heart:

Garcia is a West Coast Offense QB. He is also 37.

Grossman is a good, though currently not consistent, young QB perfect for the Bears offense.

[StorminNorman]

I have checked several early mock drafts, and the name that comes up the most often is Justin Blalock OT/OG UT, but several recievers are mentioned @ 22. I have seen 2 mock drafts that have Ted Ginn Jr. WR OSU avalable @ 22.(One can hope.)

I have Griffin ranked as a higher prospect than Blalock. I think the cowboys also have a great need for a safety.

[Mee]

Grossman takes alot of crap. At least give him one more season, this was his first full year, remember? And he did have some great games. If he's still doing a 4 td game then two 4 int games and so on next year, then look for another option.

[StorminNorman]

Never! :cmad:

http://www.phins.com/graphics/Dolphin_Daunte_Culpepper_02.jpg
Daunte 4 lyfe, yo. :o

Joey Harrington :up:

[StorminNorman]

Grossman takes alot of crap. At least give him one more season, this was his first full year, remember? And he did have some great games. If he's still doing a 4 td game then two 4 int games and so on next year, then look for another option.

The funny thing is- he played better than Big Ben did in the Super Bowl, with less game experience.

The difference is that the Steelers Defense didn't give up and played a weaker opponent - thus bailing out Roethlisberger.

Grossman didn't have that help.

[Kaleb]

There is not a WR out there worth a 7th round pick.

As far as Branch and Landry go - while they may not be the players at the time, they fill the greatest need for the team.

I am not very high on Okoye.from KFFL:

Vikings | Looking to acquire Cardinals' Fitzgerald?
Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:08:58 -0800

Citing the St. Paul Pioneer Press, SI.com reports there is speculation the Minnesota Vikings might attempt to trade their No. 7 overall draft choice this year plus additional compensation to acquire Arizona Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald this offseason.


i think the cap hit would be massive for the cards, but this is an interesting rumor nonetheless......

[Kaleb]

Grossman takes alot of crap. At least give him one more season, this was his first full year, remember? And he did have some great games. If he's still doing a 4 td game then two 4 int games and so on next year, then look for another option.

exactly you should know how a qb developes within his third yr (breakout yr)

[Kaleb]

Nice. Thanks man.
no problem , I have it bookmarked along with rotoworld.com and kffl.com and many more

[Matt]

The steelers won't draft an OT. They need to add to their recieving squad. Right now Ward is the only consistent one out there.

[StorminNorman]

from KFFL:

Vikings | Looking to acquire Cardinals' Fitzgerald?
Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:08:58 -0800

Citing the St. Paul Pioneer Press, SI.com reports there is speculation the Minnesota Vikings might attempt to trade their No. 7 overall draft choice this year plus additional compensation to acquire Arizona Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald this offseason.


i think the cap hit would be massive for the cards, but this is an interesting rumor nonetheless......

Arizona wont trade Larry Fitz. There isn't a player in this draft as good as Larry Fitzgerald right now. Plus Fitzgerald is the face of the franchise right now - you don't trade away that. Add that to the major cap hit and it would simply be an idiotic deal for Arizona.

[StorminNorman]

The steelers won't draft an OT. They need to add to their recieving squad. Right now Ward is the only consistent one out there.

I think there is higher value taking an OT in their position.

This WR core does not have the incredible talent some past ones have had, a WR open in the second round will not be that great a drop off from one in the first - the same can not be said for OL in this draft.

I have the Steelers (right now) taking Anthony Gonzales WR OSU second round.

[Eddie Brock]

Grossman is a good, though currently not consistent, young QB perfect for the Bears offense.
did you watch the Superbowl? or were you hidden under a rock?
a GOOD QB would not throw 2 interceptions in the second half when you are only down 5 points

[Kaleb]

Arizona wont trade Larry Fitz. There isn't a player in this draft as good as Larry Fitzgerald right now. Plus Fitzgerald is the face of the franchise right now - you don't trade away that. Add that to the major cap hit and it would simply be an idiotic deal for Arizona. Calvin Johnson , and im fairly certain that the face of the franchise is Matt Lienart.

[StorminNorman]

did you watch the Superbowl? or were you hidden under a rock?
a GOOD QB would not throw 2 interceptions in the second half when you are only down 5 points

Yea, why was he put in that situation? Because the defense gave up the lead and allowed the Colts to run for 150 yards.

Jeff Garcia does not fit in the Bears offense.

[StorminNorman]

Calvin Johnson , and im fairly certain that the face of the franchise is Matt Lienart.

Calvin Johnson is not as good as Larry Fitzgerald.

Matt Lienart has to do something to become the face. Fitzgerald is the star on the team right now.

[Eddie Brock]

Jeff Garcia does not fit in the Bears offense.
and Grossman doesn't fit in the NFL
so it's a good trade-off

[StorminNorman]

and Grossman doesn't fit in the NFL
so it's a good trade-off

Grossman is better than Ben Roethlisberger. He is also better than Jeff Garcia.

[Eddie Brock]

Grossman is better than Ben Roethlisberger. He is also better than Jeff Garcia.
in what sport?
because obviously not football

[Kaleb]

Calvin Johnson is not as good as Larry Fitzgerald.

Georgia Tech WR Calvin Johnson declared his intentions for the NFL Monday.

He's considered the best can't-miss wideout since Larry Fitzgerald, and his athleticism is probably superior. It would be very surprising if he made it past the top 3-4 picks. Oakland and Tampa (either third or fourth pick) make logical fits. scouts.com

[Memphis Slim]

Without Tiki, your best bet is to hope they even make the playoffs. :o

They said that about Edgerrin and the Colts and look what happened.

[Memphis Slim]

Grossman is better than Ben Roethlisberger. He is also better than Jeff Garcia.



Is this a joke or something??? :huh:

[Cmill216]

Grossman is better than Ben Roethlisberger. He is also better than Jeff Garcia.

Calvin Johnson is not as good as Larry Fitzgerald.


Damn, what happened? Did you go diving in on pool draining day? :hyper:

[StorminNorman]

in what sport?
because obviously not football

Grossman out performed Big Ben on the same stage against a better defense.

Garcia is a system QB - a system Chicago doesn't run. Simple as that.

[StorminNorman]

. scouts.com

I am not doubting that Calvin Johnson is as good a pick as Larry Fitzgerald WAS.

However right now Larry Fitzgerald is the better NFL player. The reason is obvious, but none the less truthful.

PLUS Calvin Johnson wont fall lower than 4.

[StorminNorman]

Damn, what happened? Did you go diving in on pool draining day? :hyper:

I stand by both comments.

The fact is that Grossman, on a good day, can sling the ball with the best of them. Big Ben, on a good day, can sling the ball with Grossman on a bad day.

I am by no means a Grossman fan. I hated him at Florida and I am not a Bears fan. But I have to calls'em like I see'em.

Is Grossman a top 20 QB? Not right now. Can Grossman play like a top 20 QB? Yes, he did so this year - at times. Can Grossman become a top 20 QB? Absolutely, all he has to do is play more consistently.

[Cmill216]

The fact is that Grossman, on a good day, can sling the ball with the best of them. Big Ben, on a good day, can sling the ball with Grossman on a bad day.

So if you were a general manager and had to pick up a quarterback for your team, and it was between Ben and Rex, you'd take Rex?

[StorminNorman]

So if you were a general manager and had to pick up a quarterback for your team, and it was between Ben and Rex, you'd take Rex?

Sure. Rex has greater potential that Ben does. Right now Ben manages the game better - but he does not have near the raw potential of Rex.

If I was a coach on my last year - I would choose Ben.

If I was a GM - I would take Rex.

[Cmill216]

Sure. Rex has greater potential that Ben does. Right now Ben manages the game better - but he does not have near the raw potential of Rex.

And for me, as of right now, I'll take that over a gunslinger anyday.

Ben played his best ball during that Super Bowl run. And I recall him picking apart that Denver defense at Denver in the AFC Championship.

[StorminNorman]

And for me, as of right now, I'll take that over a gunslinger anyday.

Ben played his best ball during that Super Bowl run. And I recall him picking apart that Denver defense at Denver in the AFC Championship.

As I edited my post above to say - if I was a coach concerned with nothing more then next year. Ben would be my guy.

Rex can read a defense, he is simply right now a bit impatient and he just now has the experience of reading defenses in full speed. Give him 2 years and Grossman will be the best QB in the NFC North.

[Iceman]

Am I allowed in here? Don't want to drag things down with my lack of knowledge (being from the UK) :O

I know next to nothing about football but the Superbowl was the first match I've watched and it looked very interesting.

[StorminNorman]

Am I allowed in here? Don't want to drag things down with my lack of knowledge (being from the UK) :O

I know next to nothing about football but the Superbowl was the first game I've watched and it looked very interesting.

Fixed :up:

There is an NFL game being played on your side of the pond next year :up:

[Cmill216]

Give him 2 years and Grossman will be the best QB in the NFC North.

That's not saying much. :O

[StorminNorman]

That's not saying much. :O

I chose my words carefully :)

[StorminNorman]

My second round of my mock draft will be up shortly.

[Iceman]

Fixed :up:I tried not to give away too much ignorance in the 1st post but looks like my cover's blown. ;)

There is an NFL game being played on your side of the pond next year :up:Yeah I heard about that. I think it's an in-season (ie important rather than exhibition) game and I want to go and see it but I may have trouble finding anyone to watch it with. It's not impossible that one of my mates would be up for it but I don't think I've ever talked about American football with any of them. :csad:

[Kaleb]

Fixed :up:

There is an NFL game being played on your side of the pond next year :up:

yip and aparently NFL.com reports the Oct. 28 game between the New York Giants and Miami Dolphins at Wembley Stadium in London received over 500,000 ticket requests from about 160,000 fans in the three days following the Feb. 2 official announcement, according to the National Football League. The game is expected to have a crowd of between 85,000-90,000.

[Byrd Man]

My second round of my mock draft will be up shortly.


Can't wait. There's just something about the Draft, I say every year I won't watch it or I'll just watch the first round and every damn year I watch the whole first day.

[Iceman]

yip and aparently NFL.com reports the Oct. 28 game between the New York Giants and Miami Dolphins at Wembley Stadium in London received over 500,000 ticket requests from about 160,000 fans in the three days following the Feb. 2 official announcement, according to the National Football League. The game is expected to have a crowd of between 85,000-90,000.Damn, looks like I could be too late. I had a feeling it would be very popular.

[Kaleb]

alot of my friends live in london, and they all going to watch the game ( 4 of them play for one of the british american football clubs)

[Cmill216]

If Tampa can nab Calvin in the first round, and deepen both lines in the 2nd (with two picks) and 3rd, we'll be straighty straight.

[Kaleb]

alot of fans in london are mostly dolphins fans

[Byrd Man]

If Tampa can nab Calvin in the first round, and deepen both lines in the 2nd (with two picks) and 3rd, we'll be straighty straight.

Johnson is a damn fine reciver (as if you didn't know that) I'm curious to see where Sidney Rice will end up. He's the third best reciver in the draft and probably a late 1st rounder.

[Iceman]

alot of my friends live in london, and they all going to watch the game ( 4 of them play for one of the british american football clubs)I'd like to try playing football.

alot of fans in london are mostly dolphins fansI'll have to do a bit of research before committing to a team.

[Kaleb]

I have the recievers ranked like this


1.Calvin johnson
2.Dwayne Jarrett
3.Tedd Ginn
4.Robert Meechem

[Kaleb]

[QUOTE=Iceman/Psylocke;11151208]I'd like to try playing football.

QUOTE] www.nfluk.com they have advice where you can go to try and play if you like

[Iceman]

I'd like to try playing football.

QUOTE] www.nfluk.com (http://www.nfluk.com) they have advice where you can go to try and play if you likeThanks :up:

I'll look into it.

[Memphis Slim]

As I edited my post above to say - if I was a coach concerned with nothing more then next year. Ben would be my guy.

Rex can read a defense, he is simply right now a bit impatient and he just now has the experience of reading defenses in full speed. Give him 2 years and Grossman will be the best QB in the NFC North.



If Rex doesn't start doing what it takes to learn what an NFL QB needs to do, he will continue his slide. He does not prepare nearly enough. Physically, he's behind most. He's short and even has baby fat. So he better get on the stick. Natural talent can only get you so far. He got to prepare.....and then prepare some more.

That's how Manning does it. Hours of film........hours of snaps.....hours of drills.......asking advice of other great QB's......foot work training.........wet football drills.........sounds crazy?? Maybe. But Rex needs it.

Let's face it. He had some sparks here and there. But his "team" got him to the big dance. He couldn't carry the team on his back. But if he keeps working like he should, he'll be there.

[Ben Urich]

Joey Harrington :up:

Over Daunte? Are you kidding me? :huh:

[Mister J]

Dolphins FTW! :cmad:

[Fran]

DA RAMS, b****es!

:cmad::heart::cmad:

[Immortalfire]

Fran needs to consider making a season long pick 'em pool :up:



FALCONS :cmad:

[Byrd Man]

Hell yeah


Um...do I have to list my team?

[Fran]

Fran needs to consider making a season long pick 'em pool :up:



FALCONS :cmad:

Damnit, good idea!

Anyone have thoughts?

Possibly submit me records, season MVP, ROYs, etc.

[Cmill216]

Damnit, good idea!

Anyone have thoughts?

Possibly submit me records, season MVP, ROYs, etc.

Jesus, no.

I loved the postseason pool, but once you start making picks and predictions for every little detail, it gets really friggin' tiresome.

But a Super Bowl pick'em just before the season starts? That'd be fun. :up:

[Fran]

But a Super Bowl pick'em just before the season starts? That'd be fun. :up:

True, but just doing this:
1) Favorite team's record
2) Standing in division
3) Playoffs or not
4) Regular season MVP
5) O/D Rookies of Year

Ain't so bad. And it would last from September to January.

[Showtime]

I want in on all of it...sounds like fun.

[Fran]

It could be a points system as well.

[Cmill216]

True, but just doing this:
1) Favorite team's record
2) Standing in division
3) Playoffs or not
4) Regular season MVP
5) O/D Rookies of Year

Ain't so bad. And it would last from September to January.

Oh, alright....

But we should wait until September....which is a really long friggin' wait. :hyper:

[Showtime]

Damn, it is a long wait.

[Fran]

Oh, alright....

But we should wait until September....which is a really long friggin' wait. :hyper:

Yeah, probably right after pre-season, I'll get it going.

[Immortalfire]

I thought more like a weekly pool. I've done it on Yahoo the past couple of years, and it's pretty cool. We've had a pick 'em thread, but it's not really a contest. This new one could be :hyper:

[Fran]

I don't know about that... seventeen regular season weeks, all games picked?

PLUS the playoffs?

[Immortalfire]

You got it :yay:

[Cmill216]

I don't know about that... seventeen regular season weeks, all games picked?

PLUS the playoffs?

Heh. Farmerfran's like "**** that." :woot:

[Fran]

True, but just doing this:
1) Favorite team's record
2) Standing in division
3) Playoffs or not
4) Regular season MVP
5) O/D Rookies of Year

Ain't so bad. And it would last from September to January.

THIS is the best idea.
1) Won't take long to update/calculate weekly
2) Isn't a hassle as much as around 22 weeks would be.

[Fran]

Heh. Farmerfran's like "**** that." :woot:

'Fire had a good idea, but nah.

:hyper:

[Mister J]

True, but just doing this:
1) Favorite team's record
2) Standing in division
3) Playoffs or not
4) Regular season MVP
5) O/D Rookies of Year

Ain't so bad. And it would last from September to January.
I like it. Just some general regular season predictions. Towards late December, we can have our own versions of those "Get Your Story Straight" commercials the NFL runs, highlighting pre-season predictions that look ridiculous in the wake of what actually transpired throughout the season. :up:

That is, of course, unless my predictions are totally inaccurate. In which case, the whole experiment shall not be mentioned.

Btw, thanx for doing the Playoffs Pool. It was a lot of fun. :up:

[Cmill216]

I like it. Just some general regular season predictions. Towards late December, we can have our own versions of those "Get Your Story Straight" commercials the NFL runs, highlighting pre-season predictions that look ridiculous in the wake of what actually transpired throughout the season. :up:

"The Titans...they ain't gonna prove anybody wrong."

[Byrd Man]

"Raiders....this is our year baby! JaMarcus Russelll will lead the team to an undefeated season."

^
Maybe will all look back at this and laugh. Or maybe you'll **** you pants when you see I was right.

[Immortalfire]

"The Titans...they ain't gonna prove anybody wrong." Shu....



Nah, I won't. :word:

[Mister J]

I don't know about that... seventeen regular season weeks, all games picked?

PLUS the playoffs?
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[Equinox]

DA RAMS, b****es!

:cmad::heart::cmad:

The "DA" word is only reserved for DA BEARS *****es :cmad: :heart: :word:

[Fran]

Okay, my bad.

THE RAMS, b****es!

:heart::cmad::heart:

[Equinox]

Okay, my bad.

THE RAMS, b****es!

:heart::cmad::heart:

That's cool :up:

[StorminNorman]

Second Round

1. Raiders – Jason Blaylock OT Texas
2. Lions – Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame
3. Bucs – Justin Harrel DT Tennessee
4. Browns – Ryan Kalil C USC
5. Cardinals -- Arron Sears OT Tennessee
6. Jets (From WAS) Chris Houston CB Arkansas
7. Vikings -- Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio St.
8. Texans -- Brandon Meriweather S Miami (FL)
9. Dolphins -- Jarvis Moss DE Florida
10. Falcons – Ray McDonald DE Florida
11. Niners -- Quinn Pitcock DT Ohio St.
12. Bills -- Zach Miller TE Arizona St.
13. Rams -- Anthony Spencer DE Purdue
14. Panthers -- Drew Stanton QB Michigan St.
15. Packers -- Michael Bush RB Louisville
16. Steelers -- Buster Davis ILB Florida St.
17. jag -- Eric Weddle S Utah
18. Bengals -- LaMarr Woodley DE Michigan
19. Titans -- Daymeion Hughes CB California
20. Giants -- Tony Ugoh OT Arkansas
21. Broncos -- Ryan McBean DT Oklahoma St.
22. Cowboys -- Josh Beekman OG Boston College
23. Chiefs -- Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
24. Seahawks -- Marshall Yanda OG Iowa
25. Jets – Kenny Irons RB Auburn
26. Saints – Mason Crosby K Colorado
27. Eagles – Troy Smith QB OSU
28. Patriots – David Harris MLB Michigan
29. Ravens -- Tim Crowder DE Texas
30. Chargers -- Earl Everett OLB Florida
31. Bears – Scott Chandler TE Iowa
32. Bucs – David Irons CB Auburn

[Fran]

One above the Rams! :cmad:

[bored]

Man, KC needs some more line-men, not another wide-out. What they should do with that area is let Dante Hall finally be a starter (return duties be damned), so when Kennison retires (I give him another two years or so), he'll be able to take over full time, and Webb will have the experience needed to be a starter. They need to give up on Samie Parker. The guy has no hands.

Then again, Herm Edwards thinks offense means running up the middle every play, so it probably doesn't matter.

[thehippie]

Quinn Pitcock DT Ohio St.=first round pick not second round

and as to your previous statement both ginn and jarret would be good picks for the vikings at 7, though i would prefer them not get jarret...damn usc...

either way if ginn or jarret are there the vikings would pick them, though i like the gonzalez pick in the second round...you may be able to tell me favorite college team...though i would prefer if the vikes would pick ginn in the first and then pittman in the second...that would be awesome...

[ScottyBBadd]

I have Griffin ranked as a higher prospect than Blalock. I think the cowboys also have a great need for a safety.

Just mentioning what I have seen so far, and Griffin is the 2nd most mentioned. With Wade Phillips just bieng named coach defense makes more sense. Besides since Jerry Jones has owned the Cowboys he has never drafted an O-Limeman in the 1st round.

[ScottyBBadd]

Good job mate - you just proved you have no credible knowledge of the game :up: :heart:

Garcia is a West Coast Offense QB. He is also 37.

Grossman is a good, though currently not consistent, young QB perfect for the Bears offense.

How much of a reach would Drew Stanton going 31 to Da Bears? I have seen it in one mock draft.

[StorminNorman]

Quinn Pitcock DT Ohio St.=first round pick not second round

and as to your previous statement both ginn and jarret would be good picks for the vikings at 7, though i would prefer them not get jarret...damn usc...

either way if ginn or jarret are there the vikings would pick them, though i like the gonzalez pick in the second round...you may be able to tell me favorite college team...though i would prefer if the vikes would pick ginn in the first and then pittman in the second...that would be awesome...

Quinn could be a late first - early second pick.

Ginn would be another Troy Williamson and many question Jarret's speed. People like to compare him to Mike Williams. I see both of them mid-late first round picks.

The Vikings have much bigger holes than RB.

[StorminNorman]

How much of a reach would Drew Stanton going 31 to Da Bears? I have seen it in one mock draft.

I see the Bears trying to pick up Kurt Warner.

The Bears problem is Grossman is immature as a QB. It would not make sense for them to burn a first day pick on a QB.

[C-$]

Second Round

1. Raiders – Jason Blaylock OT Texas
2. Lions – Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame
3. Bucs – Justin Harrel DT Tennessee
4. Browns – Ryan Kalil C USC
5. Cardinals -- Arron Sears OT Tennessee
6. Jets (From WAS) Chris Houston CB Arkansas
7. Vikings -- Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio St.
8. Texans -- Brandon Meriweather S Miami (FL)
9. Dolphins -- Jarvis Moss DE Florida
10. Falcons – Ray McDonald DE Florida
11. Niners -- Quinn Pitcock DT Ohio St.
12. Bills -- Zach Miller TE Arizona St.
13. Rams -- Anthony Spencer DE Purdue
14. Panthers -- Drew Stanton QB Michigan St.
15. Packers -- Michael Bush RB Louisville
16. Steelers -- Buster Davis ILB Florida St.
17. jag -- Eric Weddle S Utah
18. Bengals -- LaMarr Woodley DE Michigan
19. Titans -- Daymeion Hughes CB California
20. Giants -- Tony Ugoh OT Arkansas
21. Broncos -- Ryan McBean DT Oklahoma St.
22. Cowboys -- Josh Beekman OG Boston College
23. Chiefs -- Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
24. Seahawks -- Marshall Yanda OG Iowa
25. Jets – Kenny Irons RB Auburn
26. Saints – Mason Crosby K Colorado
27. Eagles – Troy Smith QB OSU
28. Patriots – David Harris MLB Michigan
29. Ravens -- Tim Crowder DE Texas
30. Chargers -- Earl Everett OLB Florida
31. Bears – Scott Chandler TE Iowa
32. Bucs – David Irons CB Auburn

There's no way The Panthers are going to draft a QB in the second round.

[Cmill216]

There's no way The Panthers are going to draft a QB in the second round.

Considering they aren't completely satisfied with Jake, getting a Drew Stanton in the 2nd would be a great move.

[StorminNorman]

There's no way The Panthers are going to draft a QB in the second round.

Why not? They need to start looking at the future. Their biggest need is at LB - I have them addressing that in the first round. They could use a TE, but I think a good young QB like Stanton at that pick would be too hard to pass up.

[Fran]

Stanton is going to the Rams. Quote it.

[StorminNorman]

They have Ryan Fitzpatrick already :)

[Fran]

That Stanford QB... nah.

Stanton. :up:

Oh, and I can't get on AIM, to bash you repeatedly about this, because I'm about to go to work.

[Cmill216]

Stanton is going to the Rams. Quote it.

Quoted. ;)

But Marc Bulger ain't goin' anywhere, and they certainly have other needs to address.

[thehippie]

Quinn could be a late first - early second pick.

Ginn would be another Troy Williamson and many question Jarret's speed. People like to compare him to Mike Williams. I see both of them mid-late first round picks.

The Vikings have much bigger holes than RB.

ginn isn't going to be like troy williamson, ginn will be an amazing player, plus he can return kicks unlike williamson.
ginn would be an awesome pick for the vikes, unlike the DE you think they'll take, and that's doubtful seeing as how they've drafted two DEs the past two years in the first round, udeze and james.
and i know they have bigger holes then rb's but they could use a backup so yar

[Ben Urich]

ginn isn't going to be like troy williamson, ginn will be an amazing player, plus he can return kicks unlike williamson.
ginn would be an awesome pick for the vikes, unlike the DE you think they'll take, and that's doubtful seeing as how they've drafted two DEs the past two years in the first round, udeze and james.
and i know they have bigger holes then rb's but they could use a backup so yar

A yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum to ye, lad. :o

[Kaleb]

Ravens are overloaded at Defensive end.And there is no way they letting blalock get passed them .

[Immortalfire]

Ravens are overloaded at Defensive end.And there is no way they letting blalock get passed them . :whatever: :oldrazz:

[Kaleb]

You no what i men.

[StorminNorman]

That Stanford QB... nah.

Stanton. :up:

Oh, and I can't get on AIM, to bash you repeatedly about this, because I'm about to go to work.


He is from Harvard :up:

[StorminNorman]

ginn isn't going to be like troy williamson, ginn will be an amazing player, plus he can return kicks unlike williamson.
ginn would be an awesome pick for the vikes, unlike the DE you think they'll take, and that's doubtful seeing as how they've drafted two DEs the past two years in the first round, udeze and james.
and i know they have bigger holes then rb's but they could use a backup so yar

If I asked a South Carolina fan what they thought of Williamson - they would of said the same thing.

You don't draft backups on first day (outside of QBs), you draft people you see as instant impact players and probably starters.

Udeze is a bust - he got how many sacks last year? Thats right - zero. How many games did he start? Try 16. That is quite impressive.

The Vikings DO have bigger needs - WR and OL being one of them. If they can trade down - great. But to take Ginn or an OL at that pick would be a big reach. You can get better value with Adams.

[Byrd Man]

If I asked a South Carolina fan what they thought of Williamson - they would of said the same thing.

You don't draft backups on first day (outside of QBs), you draft people you see as instant impact players and probably starters.

Udeze is a bust - he got how many sacks last year? Thats right - zero. How many games did he start? Try 16. That is quite impressive.

The Vikings DO have bigger needs - WR and OL being one of them. If they can trade down - great. But to take Ginn or an OL at that pick would be a big reach. You can get better value with Adams.

Hell yeah. Try was a exsplosive player who could break a big play.....in college.

[Cmill216]

Really nice team-by-team breakdown from John Clayton. I'll post the ones most relavent to our regular NFL posters:

SOURCE: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2758756


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Cap room: $3.8 million

New head coach Bobby Petrino's biggest mission is getting the most out of QB Michael Vick. He plans to add audibles to the playbook. He wants to give Vick more options. This is an important year for Vick because the Falcons have to figure out if he is going to get them back to the playoffs.

It will be interesting to see what Petrino does with the offensive line. Center Todd McClure, guard Kynan Forney and tackle Todd Weiner are better suited for a light, athletic Alex Gibbs-type offensive line. Gibbs is gone and the Falcons concede size. Petrino has only eight free agents and one of those is defensive end Patrick Kerney, whose contract was voided.

Age is becoming a concern on defense. Lawyer Milloy will be 33. Keith Brooking just turned 30. Kerney, John Abraham, Rod Coleman and Grady Jackson are also getting older. Petrino also has tough decisions to make at wide receiver. Ashley Lelie probably won't be back. He's a free agent. Michael Jenkins and Roddy White haven't lit it up either. Edgerton Hartwell, the middle linebacker, could be a cap casualty after two injury-plagued seasons. Another concern is that is Warrick Dunn is going to be 32, a dangerous age for a running back.


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Cap room: $13.1 million

Nick Saban's biggest problem was that he was indecisive. He'd waffle on decisions for the longest time, even though he'd put pressure on his staff to help him with those decisions. Consequently, he let the Dolphins' defense get old and he wasted a year figuring out the quarterback situation. Saban is gone and the Dolphins organization is rejoicing. New coach Cam Cameron comes in with a nice persona and an all-star staff.

First he has to figure out the quarterback position. Daunte Culpepper should be the starter as long as his knee finally heals properly with rest and rehab. Joey Harrington may be a cap casualty, and Cleo Lemon is a restricted free agent who may or may not be back. The Dolphins will try to get more speed at the wide receiver position. They were slow afoot and lacked big plays.

They have 15 free agents, including defensive tackle Vonnie Holliday, tackle Damion McIntosh, running back Sammy Morris and safety Travares Tillman. They could cut wide receiver Marty Booker, defensive tackle Dan Wilkinson and offensive lineman Seth McKinney. This team figures to have 20 or more changes on the roster. Culpepper could be the key, though. If he can become a good quarterback again, the Dolphins could be a contender. They will stay in a 3-4 defense after keeping Dom Capers as the defensive coordinator.



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Cap room: $22.9 million

The Rams came out of 2006 with a respectable 8-8 record under first-year coach Scott Linehan. The Rams still have a dangerous offense. Marc Bulger is one of the top quarterbacks in the NFC. Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce are aging a little but they are a dangerous one-two punch at receiver. Steven Jackson is one of the league's most dangerous running backs. Those are the positives keeping the team afloat. The problems are many. The offensive line remains a concern. It struggled again last season.

The defense improved through free agency and the draft but it needs more athletes. What makes things worse is that the 49ers and Cardinals could be ready to pass the Rams in the NFC West, and St. Louis hasn't caught up to the Seahawks. The Rams could suffer a big loss if Kevin Curtis leaves. He's a dangerous receiver who is entering his prime. The Rams' 13 other free agents are mostly backups and key role players. The Rams have plenty of room to upgrade their roster. They may cut guard Adam Timmerman and linebacker Dexter Coakley, but there aren't any cap issues.



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Cap room: $15 million

The pressure is building on Jon Gruden. Ownership values his coaching, but the pressure is back on the Bucs to return to their winning ways. Age finally caught up to the defense last season. The Bucs plan to keep defensive end Simeon Rice, but they could release defensive linemen Ellis Wyms and Greg Spires if they don't restructure their contracts. They need to re-sign defensive end Dewayne White, who is a free agent. The most important decision will come at quarterback. The Bucs re-signed Chris Simms, but they may go after Jeff Garcia as insurance. The Bucs could cut right tackle Kenyatta Walker, but they also have to decide if they want Mike Alstott back.



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Cap room: $16.8 million

This should be the third year of a four-season run for the Bears atop of the NFC North. They have only eight free agents and the cap room to franchise linebacker Lance Briggs and prevent him from leaving.

They want to re-sign guard Ruben Brown. Defensive tackle Ian Scott might be the toughest to re-sign. Expect no cap cuts either. The Bears play in the easiest division, so their chances of going back to the Super Bowl are good. They have issues with the coaching staff, however. Lovie Smith is entering the final year of his contract and the team is nowhere close to getting a contract extension.

The Bears got a break when the Cowboys hired Wade Phillips, allowing them the chance to keep Ron Rivera as defensive coordinator. Rivera would have been Norv Turner's defensive coordinator had Turner been offered the Cowboys' job. Expect little change with this team.



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Cap room: $18.2 million
Jerry Jones invested so much money in the 3-4 defense, he wanted to hire a defensive coach who knew the 3-4. Wade Phillips was his choice because he is one of the best 3-4 coaches in football. Phillips takes over a talented playoff team. We'll see how his good nature works with Terrell Owens, who drove Bill Parcells into retirement.

There don't need to be a lot of changes on the team. The Cowboys have only seven free agents, but they should re-sign center Andre Gurode after he went to the Pro Bowl. Phillips' biggest challenge is figuring out the offensive line. Marco Rivera and Flozell Adams are aging. Right tackle Marc Colombo is a free agent. So is backup center Al Johnson. The Cowboys might make a move for Leonard Davis of the Cardinals to add some bulk to the offensive line.

Jason Garrett takes over as offensive coordinator and will try to get the most of out QB Tony Romo, who will have his first full season as the starting quarterback. Phillips will make a point of getting the defense to perform better on first and second downs. The Cowboys gave up the league's most yardage on first down. They rarely got pressure on quarterbacks on first and second downs. Phillips was hired to improve that.



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Cap room: $200,000
The Colts won't have room to be a player in free agency, but they should do enough to keep this team together. They can restructure Peyton Manning's contract and save about $8 million in cap room. They can cut wide receiver Brandon Stokley and defensive tackle Corey Simon.

Defensive end Dwight Freeney will either be franchised or get a new contract. The big decision involves linebacker Cato June. The Colts lost linebackers Marcus Washington, Mike Peterson and David Thornton over the past few years and the defense suffered with their departures. June may not be as good as those three players, but he is a playmaker the Colts would like to keep.

Expect the Colts to look for larger defensive line backups who will allow them to put some bigger packages together against power running teams. The Colts have a chance to repeat. It's not out of the question for them to be able to re-sign halfback Dominic Rhodes. They will lose safety Mike Doss, but that is intentional. Manning vows to get better as a quarterback and that is scary for the rest of the league.

[Cmill216]

And more:


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Cap room: $26.9 million

The Patriots are gambling with their roster. They didn't want to pay big money for Deion Branch, so they lost him for lesser receivers. Yet, they went to the AFC title game without him. Now, they are contemplating not re-signing Asante Samuel, who will compete against Nate Clements for the big cornerback money in free agency. The Patriots also could lose tight end Daniel Graham and linebacker Tully Banta-Cain in free agency. Clearly, the window hasn't closed on the Patriots' Super Bowl runs, but their roster is getting thinner and thinner each year.

It's going to be hard for them to stay at the 12-win level next season because they have the toughest schedule in the AFC (.535 against). Last year, they had a .496-against schedule, which helped their record. Still, the Patriots should win 10 or 11 games without too much trouble. Tom Brady is still the quarterback. Coach Bill Belichick has reached the Hall of Fame level, but at some point he needs a new contract. There is some thought this could be the final year of his deal. As everyone knows, Belichick keeps everything a mystery.



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Cap room: $3.3 million

The move to go to QB Steve McNair put the Ravens in the divisional playoffs last season and makes them a solid playoff candidate for this year. Changes on this team probably will be minimal. The Ravens have 10 free agents. The biggest name is linebacker Adalius Thomas. If they don't franchise him, he could leave for the 49ers and reunite with Mike Nolan, the former Ravens defensive coordinator.

The Ravens could cut halfback Jamal Lewis instead of giving him a $5 million roster bonus in March. If that happens, they would use a first- or second-round choice on a good, young running back. Ray Lewis should be able to talk left tackle Jonathan Ogden out of retiring. If Ogden doesn't return, the Ravens will drop another game or two. The line performed well but was shaky. Losing Ogden would be a major blow, but he should be back. Mike Flynn is expected to restructure his contract and be a backup center.

The Ravens have been drafting good, young receivers to go with Derrick Mason, who wasn't happy about the offense at the end of the season. Another key free agent is right tackle Tony Pashos, who played well toward the end of the season and could get a big payday.



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Cap room: $3.6 million
The Eagles took the NFC East's best shot -- the division brought in Tom Coughlin, Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs to stop them -- but Philly got the last laugh and is back on top. The Eagles, who went to four straight NFC title games, dropped down to six wins in 2005 but rebounded in style, winning the division in 2006. Andy Reid has rebuilt the offensive and defensive lines and Donovan McNabb will be back at quarterback.

Jeff Garcia figures to leave in free agency for more money and a different opportunity (Chicago and Tampa Bay are just two of the teams being mentioned), but A.J. Feeley can take over as the backup. The Eagles have only 10 free agents. Safety Michael Lewis is expected to leave. They would like to re-sign Donte' Stallworth, but that could be competitive.

The Eagles will be looking for help at wide receiver, cornerback, linebacker and could use a safety as well. Still, the Eagles are back in control of the NFC East.

[StorminNorman]

Ravens are overloaded at Defensive end.And there is no way they letting blalock get passed them .

I have Grubbs rated higher than Blalock at the same position. I have the Ravens takin Grubbs first round.

As far as the Ravens being overloaded at DE - I think that is being a little considerate, though I would agree they do not have a real pressing issue there. My concern is Pryces age. Though I have to admit I am not as happy with my pick for the Ravens second round pick as I am most of mine.

Other people I could see the Ravens taking are:
Antonio Pittman RB OSU
Stewart Bradley OLB Nebraska
Brandon Siler ILB Florida

[thehippie]

Ginn is #8 on Kipers big board and almost every mock draft i've seen has ginn going within the top 10.
he would be an excellent pick for the vikings, not only a kick returner but someone who would be an instant starter since the vikes wr's are quite horrible...the only way they don't take a wr with the 7th pick is if they get moss or another wr via trade or free agency.
i think there DE needs would be better suited to be filled by a free agent then a draft pick.
even if ginn doesn't go to the vikes i can promise one thing, he won't be a bust like troy williamson was/is.

and i know Udeze is a bust, just pointing out that the vikes have taken a DE in the first round twice in the last three years...

[StorminNorman]

Ginn is #8 on Kipers big board and almost every mock draft i've seen has ginn going within the top 10.
he would be an excellent pick for the vikings, not only a kick returner but someone who would be an instant starter since the vikes wr's are quite horrible...the only way they don't take a wr with the 7th pick is if they get moss or another wr via trade or free agency.
i think there DE needs would be better suited to be filled by a free agent then a draft pick.
even if ginn doesn't go to the vikes i can promise one thing, he won't be a bust like troy williamson was/is.

NFL Draft Countdown, which has been by far one of the most accurate mock draft sites the past few years, have Ginn ranked as the 20th best prospect in the Draft. I have him ranked similarly - they are very good at what they do.

Do the Vikings have a piss poor WR core? Yes. Ginn is not the answer. Dwayne Jarret would be a better pick, but I still feel that both Ginn and Jarret do not qualify a top 10 draft pick. Gonzales in the 2nd round provides bigger bang for the buck.

You can't promise anything, many people considered Ryan Leaf to be the best QB in the draft - how did that fair?

[thehippie]

didn't some people know already that leaf had mental troubles before the draft?...
anyways ginn won't be like williamson, he'll excell in the nfl...hopefully the vikings get him...
but anywho here's a mock i just made since i'm bored .....yes i don't have the vikings taking a wr....btw the browns would trade down to get ginn...i just don't know how to use the trade down feature on that site while making a mock..

http://www.mymockdraft.com/MyDraft/TheHippie05.aspx

[The_Mystery]

I think if I were the Pats, I would Franchise Asante Samuels. The man had like 11 or 12 interceptions, he's worth it. He's good for a touchdown per game. The Pats also need another really good WR. If Bruschi retires then we're definitely in trouble.

[Mister J]

I think if I were the Pats, I would Franchise Asante Samuels. The man had like 11 or 12 interceptions, he's worth it. He's good for a touchdown per game. The Pats also need another really good WR. If Bruschi retires then we're definitely in trouble.

Another? Who's the first one. :huh:

I do agree about keeping Samuel (don't know if I'd franchise him though). New England needs to open up the wallet a bit and bring in some more talent.

[Fran]

The Rams seem to be in pretty good shape, cap-wise.

I think we need to strengthen the O-line as much as possible, strengthen the D, and keep Curtis.

[StorminNorman]

didn't some people know already that leaf had mental troubles before the draft?...
anyways ginn won't be like williamson, he'll excell in the nfl...hopefully the vikings get him...
but anywho here's a mock i just made since i'm bored .....yes i don't have the vikings taking a wr....btw the browns would trade down to get ginn...i just don't know how to use the trade down feature on that site while making a mock..

http://www.mymockdraft.com/MyDraft/TheHippie05.aspx

And you were criticizing me for having the Vikings pick a DE? :cmad:

[StorminNorman]

I think if I were the Pats, I would Franchise Asante Samuels. The man had like 11 or 12 interceptions, he's worth it. He's good for a touchdown per game. The Pats also need another really good WR. If Bruschi retires then we're definitely in trouble.

I am starting to lose all respect I have for the Patriots.

Pay the players that put out for you :down

[C-$]

Why not? They need to start looking at the future. Their biggest need is at LB - I have them addressing that in the first round. They could use a TE, but I think a good young QB like Stanton at that pick would be too hard to pass up.

Why do they need to start looking at the future? Delhomme has about another 3 to 4 yrs left in him. Their biggest need is Safety, then libacker and Defensive End. They'll draft the safety from LSU or Reggie Nelson in the first round. Even if Morgan gets hurt again, Chris Draft is going to replace him. The Panthers want to win "now" and drafting Stanton in the second round would mean you're thinking about the future more than winning "right now".

[StorminNorman]

Why do they need to start looking at the future? Delhomme has about another 3 to 4 yrs left in him. Their biggest need is Safety, then libacker and Defensive End. They'll draft the safety from LSU or Reggie Nelson in the first round. Even if Morgan gets hurt again, Chris Draft is going to replace him. The Panthers want to win "now" and drafting Stanton in the second round would mean you're thinking about the future more than winning "right now".

Delhomme took a step back last year. Does he have another 3 to 4 years left to play? Yes. To play consistently? I dont know.

The Broncos are a team that needs to win now - yet they took Cutler first round.

You can't ignore the future in the hopes of improving today.

[Kaleb]

Delhomme took a step back last year. Does he have another 3 to 4 years left to play? Yes. To play consistently? I dont know.

The Broncos are a team that needs to win now - yet they took Cutler first round.

You can't ignore the future in the hopes of improving today.There are reports that the Panthers are really serously looking into giving up their 3rd round for Ravens backup Qb kyle Boller ( personally I hope this doesnt happend as Mcnair isnt the most healthiest Qb around, and Kyle is one of the better backups arounds)

here is the little snippet The Charlotte Observer's Pat Yasinkas says he's heard rumors the Panthers "really like" Ravens backup quarterback Kyle Boller.

Those around the Ravens think the team has given up on Boller as its quarterback of the future. Boller is a cheap and useful backup for oft-injured Steve McNair, however, so Carolina may have to wait until his rookie contract expires in 2008 to make a run at acquiring him.

[C-$]

Delhomme took a step back last year. Does he have another 3 to 4 years left to play? Yes. To play consistently? I dont know.

The Broncos are a team that needs to win now - yet they took Cutler first round.

You can't ignore the future in the hopes of improving today.

The Broncos drafted Cutler because they knew that Jake Plummer was never going to lead them to a Super Bowl. That team was pretty much set, offensively and defensively. I just get tired of the "Delhomme struggled last year" argument because they guy had no running game to take some of the pressure of him & his offensive line was average. I'm not saying that Delhomme didn't make any stupid decisions when passing the ball but I think he just gets too much flack especially after Chris Mortenson started talking about how he might get replaced.

[Mister J]

PRO BOWL TODAY, BABY!!!!

:dry:

[StorminNorman]

The Broncos drafted Cutler because they knew that Jake Plummer was never going to lead them to a Super Bowl. That team was pretty much set, offensively and defensively. I just get tired of the "Delhomme struggled last year" argument because they guy had no running game to take some of the pressure of him & his offensive line was average. I'm not saying that Delhomme didn't make any stupid decisions when passing the ball but I think he just gets too much flack especially after Chris Mortenson started talking about how he might get replaced.

But Plummer played great ball in 2005...?

If Mortenson is reporting it, then there has to be some validity to it - he is quite good at his job.

[Fran]

:dry:I can't wait. It is always so much fun to watch.:dry:

[C-$]

But Plummer played great ball in 2005...?

If Mortenson is reporting it, then there has to be some validity to it - he is quite good at his job.

Your right, he did play good ball in '05 but soon he screwed up in the AFC championship game people started saying how Jake reverted back to his old ways.

[StorminNorman]

Your right, he did play good ball in '05 but soon he screwed up in the AFC championship game people started saying how Jake reverted back to his old ways.

You think a team was looking at replacing him quickly JUST because of one bad game? No. They knew that Jake was aging and that they would need a new team leader soon - that is they chose Cutler.

[Cmill216]

Good god, Dick Enberg is a retard.

[Kaleb]

explain ?

[Cmill216]

explain ?

It's a nitpicky thing, but...

The Patriots coordinator called in a play to Peyton Manning: "Hey Peyton, 85. 85." And Enberg's like, "Well 85 must be a running play to the 5 hole." And of course, it isn't, because Manning's clearly looking at a play chart on his wrist which has the plays on it, and 85 obviously meant to go with the play numbered 85. The play ended up being a pass."




....Yes, I'm anal. But Enberg's still a retard. :o

[Cmill216]

Oh, and what the hell is wrong with Terrell Suggs. He already shoved Brees down hard earlier in the game, then he just went rather low on Drew, who's now going to the locker room.

[Kaleb]

my old roomate is at the game now.

[Mister J]

When did Dan Dierdorf start this hunger strike?

[Mee]

Tony Romo won the QB skills competition, take that Darthphere. :o :cmad:

[Erzengel]

With a name like Romo, I would think he would have changed the second "o" in his name to I don't know...anything?

[Cmill216]

Breaking News:

Romo still sucks ass.

[Equinox]

Breaking News:

Romo still sucks ass.

Agreed.

[thehippie]

And you were criticizing me for having the Vikings pick a DE? :cmad:

yeah...i kinda shuckled about that one myself when i was making it... :)

[Cmill216]

Hehe. Was doing some surfing and came across this mock draft from back in 2001. I wonder how different the league would be if this went down (those in bold actually went to the predicted teams)...

1. Chargers: Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech. There is no other choice.

2. Cardinals: Gerard Warren, DT, Florida. They could trade down.

3. Browns: LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, Texas Christian. This is Tim Couch insurance.

4. Bengals: Richard Seymour, DT, Georgia. Assuming Corey Dillon stays.

5. Falcons: David Terrell, WR, Michigan. Big plays are the order here."

6. Patriots: Leonard Davis, OT, Texas. A WR or DL also is possible.

7. Seahawks: Justin Smith, DE, Missouri. Defense, defense, defense.

8. Bears: Jamal Reynolds, DE, Florida State. Some help for Brian Urlacher.

9. 49ers: Dan Morgan, LB, Miami (Fla.). The defense is under construction.

10. Seahawks: Koren Robinson, WR, North Carolina State. More defense also is possible.

11. Panthers: Kenyatta Walker, OT, Florida. Another possibility: RB.

12. Chiefs: Michael Bennett, RB, Wisconsin. Finally, the Chiefs get a runner.

13. Jaguars: Andre Carter, DE, California. Jags also need OL help.

14. Bills: Marcus Stroud, DT, Georgia. Reinforcement for the defense.

15. Redskins: Santana Moss, WR, Miami (Fla.). Jeff George can throw to Mosses.

16. Steelers: Steve Hutchinson, G, Michigan. A new anchor for the OL.

17. Packers: Chris Chambers, WR, Wisconsin. Keeping the pick in-state.

18. Lions: Todd Heap, TE, Arizona State. He'd look good in the West Coast.

19. Jets: Chad Johnson, WR, Oregon State. Keyshawn's cousin takes his place.

20. Rams: Shaun Rogers, DT, Texas. They need a big body inside.

21. Bucs: Fred Smoot, CB, Mississippi State. They could go for an OT.

22. Colts: Damione Lewis, DT, Miami. Defensive help is the priority.

23. Saints: Nato Clements, CB, Ohio State. They also could go for a WR.

24. Broncos: Will Allen, CB, Syracuse. This defense needs help.

25. Eagles: Freddie Mitchell, WR, UCLA. WR is the crying need.

26. Dolphins: Drew Brees, QB, Purdue. Can he slip this far?

27. Vikings: Deuce McAllister, RB, Mississippi. Again: Can he slip this far?

28. Raiders: Casey Hampton, DT, Texas. Also need WR help.

29. Titans: Reggie Wayne, WR, Miami (Fla.). As usual, WR is a big need.

30. Giants: Jeff Backus, OT, Michigan. They like big men.

31. Ravens: Derrick Gibson, S, Florida State. The league's best defense gets better.

[Mister J]

Brees dislocated his elbow? :csad:
Great. It'll be flag football next year. :up:

[StorminNorman]

I remember when Robert Edwards, Rookie Running Back for the Patriots (1000+ yards rookie year) and Georgia Bulldog great got hurt in a flag football rookie pro bowl game.

Blew out his knee, out for 2 years and never got back to full health. Now plays in Canada.

He could of been great :(

[ScottyBBadd]

Ravens are overloaded at Defensive end.And there is no way they letting blalock get passed them .

Most mock drafts have Justin Blalock going 22 to Dallas.

[Mee]

Brees dislocated his elbow? :csad:
Great. It'll be flag football next year. :up:
Just his left one. So not his throwing arm and it won't need surgery.

[Kaleb]

Most mock drafts have Justin Blalock going 22 to Dallas.

personally if I were the ravens Id trade down anyway and gain more picks as , the offensive line aint getting any younger .

[Kaleb]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ApMxGVBRzme7avDnlPFVK.tDubYF?slug=jm-mockdraft020807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[bored]

Hehe. Was doing some surfing and came across this mock draft from back in 2001. I wonder how different the league would be if this went down (those in bold actually went to the predicted teams)...


12. Chiefs: Michael Bennett, RB, Wisconsin. Finally, the Chiefs get a runner.


This is funny for two reasons:

1. Since this was written, running back has been a position that the Chiefs have been just fine in.

2. Bennett is a back-up for the Chiefs now.

[C-$]

You think a team was looking at replacing him quickly JUST because of one bad game? No. They knew that Jake was aging and that they would need a new team leader soon - that is they chose Cutler.

I'm not saying that one game is why they replaced him. The problem with Plummer was that they had to dumb down the offense for he wouldn't lose the game for The Broncos. He was always seen as the QB who was going to throw the bad pick that cost his team the game. He was constantly feeling pressure for the media becuase his stupid int's and mistakes from the past. They(broncos) realized that they couldn't go any further with Jake in the playoffs after they lost the Pittsburg in the AFC champioonship game in '06. Just becuase a QB is 32 yr old means you have to replace becuase he's aging. As long as he makes good decisons and has a good arm then he's age is irrelevant.


Trust me, The Panthers aren't drafting a QB in the second round.

[ScottyBBadd]

Trust me, The Panthers aren't drafting a QB in the second round.

You're right. Rumors have them trading up to 8 and taking Brady Quinn.

[bored]

Now THAT is far-fetched.

[ScottyBBadd]

Now THAT is far-fetched.

Not really.

[bored]

Even if he wasn't as good as last year, it just seems unlikely that the Panthers are suddenly so desperate for a new QB that they'd go as far as to trade for the marquee passer of this year's draft. It's too much of a commitment to the new guy.

[Fran]

Here's hoping the Rams draft him :up:

[Cmill216]

Here's hoping the Rams draft him :up:

Who? Quinn? :huh:

Bulger >>>>>>>>>> Quinn

[Kaleb]

there is no ways the rams are drafting a Qb within the first 2 rounds, Bulger is one of the best qbs in the nfc, and much better than alot of ppl give him credit for.

[Fran]

Who? Quinn? :huh:

Bulger >>>>>>>>>> Quinn

Hell no. I was talking about Drew Stanton.

We should draft him just-in-case.

[StorminNorman]

there is no ways the rams are drafting a Qb within the first 2 rounds, Bulger is one of the best qbs in the nfc, and much better than alot of ppl give him credit for.

Now, I would argue, THAT is a stretch.

[Cmill216]

Now, I would argue, THAT is a stretch.

That Bulger is one of the best in the NFC? He is.

Brees, Hasselback, Bulger.

[Ben Urich]

Now, I would argue, THAT is a stretch.

:huh: :huh: :huh:
He has a career completion percentage of 64 and a career rating of 91.
So, again...:huh: :huh: :huh:

[Kaleb]

Hell no. I was talking about Drew Stanton.

We should draft him just-in-case. Drew Stanton is good, he is my fav qb in the draft, but he wouldnt make it to you guys even with your 2nd pick, and its not really worth drafting him , when you have other needs like a safety and your O line as well as a linebacker
.

[Kaleb]

That Bulger is one of the best in the NFC? He is.

Brees, Hasselback, Bulger. Id have Brees, Mcnabb (when healthy) bulger then Hasselback

[bored]

Now, I would argue, THAT is a stretch.

Bulger's a passing machine. And he only has a few rivals for that title in the NFC (Brees, Hasselback).

[Kaleb]

what the hell the giants have aparently cut Lavar Arrington :confused:

[Fran]

Now, I would argue, THAT is a stretch.

:huh::huh::huh: Are you being serious? :huh: I hope you're joking. :huh::huh::huh:

[StorminNorman]

Bulger's a passing machine. And he only has a few rivals for that title in the NFC (Brees, Hasselback).

You must understand, I am incredibly biased against Bulger. He could crap gold and I would still hate him.

YoungUpInComerKurtWarnerSpotStealingJerk....asshat ...:cmad:

[Fran]

You must understand, I am incredibly biased against Bulger. He could crap gold and I would still hate him.

YoungUpInComerKurtWarnerSpotStealingJerk....asshat ...:cmad:

As a diehard Rams fan, I disagree.

Warner had his chances, got hurt, etc. and Bulger just stepped in and did his thing.

Warner stepped in when Green was hurt...

[Kaleb]

lol Kurt Warner getting concussed was the best thing that ever happend to Marc Bulger.

[Fran]

Norman, you have failed me :csad:

[StorminNorman]

As a diehard Rams fan, I disagree.

Warner had his chances, got hurt, etc. and Bulger just stepped in and did his thing.

Warner stepped in when Green was hurt...

But...but...but...I love Kurt Warner :(

http://www.eastbaysports.com/reviews/010430/cover.jpg

[Cmill216]

Kurt was a beast. And yet, it didn't hurt that he had the greatest supporting cast in the history of ever.

[Fran]

The Greatest Show On Turf. :up:

[StorminNorman]

I want Kurt to enter politics. Give up football, every time I see you step on the field and play less than Kurt Warner like, I weep on the inside :(

[Fran]

You still failed me, Norman. :csad:

[Cmill216]

I want Kurt to enter politics. Give up football, every time I see you step on the field and play less than Kurt Warner like, I weep on the inside :(

But his wife.....:csad:

[StorminNorman]

You still failed me, Norman. :csad:


I could always be worse...

http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/173/4/0/ID_by_Crazy_Ass_Crab.jpg

[StorminNorman]

But his wife.....:csad:

At least they will get the lesbian vote....

Actually, I always liked Brenda, I never understood the uber-hate.

[Fran]

I could always be worse...

:dry::csad::dry:

[bored]

You must understand, I am incredibly biased against Bulger. He could crap gold and I would still hate him.

YoungUpInComerKurtWarnerSpotStealingJerk....asshat ...:cmad:


So then, what are your thoughts on Eli Manning and Matt Leinart?

[StorminNorman]

So then, what are your thoughts on Eli Manning and Matt Leinart?

I, for some strange reason, have sparred Eli Manning of my hate.

Though Matt Leinart is on my blacklist :cmad:

[bored]

This makes me think of a trip I was on last month. This one guy in another tour group that went to the same places as us always wore Rams stuff. He had a jacket he wore every day, and frequently had jerseys of Stephen Jackson, Marshall Faulk, or Tory Holt on. One day, I noticed his Kurt Warner jersey, which was faded, and had clearly been worn many, many times, and I actually kind of felt bad. Kurt was, for a few seasons, considered as good as Peyton Manning is now, but his sloppy play since then, especially without Mike Martz and the GSOT, has ruined all that. Can people still look at him and think of the guy who was, six or seven years ago, a Super Bowl and league MVP?

Plus, him rocking out in St. Louis during Vermeil's last season is why Trent Green ended up in KC. *sigh* Now there's a whole other matter all together :(.

[StorminNorman]

This makes me think of a trip I was on last month. This one guy in another tour group that went to the same places as us always wore Rams stuff. He had a jacket he wore every day, and frequently had jerseys of Stephen Jackson, Marshall Faulk, or Tory Holt on. One day, I noticed his Kurt Warner jersey, which was faded, and had clearly been worn many, many times, and I actually kind of felt bad. Kurt was, for a few seasons, considered as good as Peyton Manning is now, but his sloppy play since then, especially without Mike Martz and the GSOT, has ruined all that. Can people still look at him and think of the guy who was, six or seven years ago, a Super Bowl and league MVP?

Plus, him rocking out in St. Louis during Vermeil's last season is why Trent Green ended up in KC. *sigh* Now there's a whole other matter all together :(.

Not only can I still look at him and think of the guy he was, I vividly remember things he did that never happened.

Who took down Godzilla when he tried to destroy New York?

Kurt Warner

When Iven Ooze took control of America's people with his hypnotic super sperm, who saved the day?

Kurt Warner

When Matt thought about letting Teddy host a round in Survivor, who helplessly fought and fought for him to reconsider?

Kurt Warner

[Cmill216]

When Iven Ooze took control of America's people with his hypnotic super sperm, who saved the day?

Kurt Warner


Bull****

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6614/19ut5.jpg

[Fran]

Not only can I still look at him and think of the guy he was, I vividly remember things he did that never happened.

Who took down Godzilla when he tried to destroy New York?

Kurt Warner

When Iven Ooze took control of America's people with his hypnotic super sperm, who saved the day?

Kurt Warner

When Matt thought about letting Teddy host a round in Survivor, who helplessly fought and fought for him to reconsider?

Kurt Warner

QFT.

[Ben Urich]

Bull****

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6614/19ut5.jpg

Haha, Billy looks like he's 42.

[StorminNorman]

Bull****

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6614/19ut5.jpg

Pfff...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f39/StorminNormanTho/PRRAms.jpg

[bored]

Bull****

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6614/19ut5.jpg

Yeah, the Power Rangers were bigger Elway fans.

[bored]

Pfff...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f39/StorminNormanTho/PRRAms.jpg


Wtf is Vermeil in the back?!:cmad:

[Cmill216]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f39/StorminNormanTho/PRRAms.jpg

Torry Holt's not the Pink Ranger. Everybody knows Mike Martz looks like Mrs. Doubtfire. :whatever:

[StorminNorman]

Torry Holt's not the Pink Ranger. Everybody knows Mike Martz looks like Mrs. Doubtfire. :whatever:

Mike Martz reminded me of Billy. I figured Torry Holt was the hottest of the Rams shown - so he got Kimberly's spot :o

[StorminNorman]

Wtf is Vermeil in the back?!:cmad:

I tried to take him out of the picture, but then he cried. :csad:

[Fran]

Pfff...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f39/StorminNormanTho/PRRAms.jpg

:up::up::up:

[bored]

I tried to take him out of the picture, but then he cried. :csad:


Dammit, Vermeil may be the manliest man of all time, but he's still delicate!:cmad:

[Cmill216]

So ESPN is doing their "Field Pass" thing for each team's offseason.

The Raiders were pretty much given no hope, and they were predicted to be last place in the division, again. The Lions were predicted to go 6-10. But Tampa was predicted as a "possible playoff contender".

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/8660/koolaidmanuy2.jpg

[StorminNorman]

Dammit, Vermeil may be the manliest man of all time, but he's still delicate!:cmad:

Amen, brother :up:

[Byrd Man]

So ESPN is doing their "Field Pass" thing for each team's offseason.

The Raiders were pretty much given no hope, and they were predicted to be last place in the division, again.


****! Somebody needs to whack Al Davis. Any takers?

[StorminNorman]

I want to see Hugh Hefner v. Al Davis in a cage match.

[Byrd Man]

I want to see Hugh Hefner v. Al Davis in a cage match.

Damn, that could work. ****, I'd watch it.

[Ben Urich]

I tried to take him out of the picture, but then he cried. :csad:

You are en fuego today, my friend. :up:

[Cmill216]

Marty got the axe! Check ESPN.com. :wow:

[Fran]

BREAKING NEWS from ESPN.com

Chargers Fire Marty Schottenheimer

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763552

[Fran]

Here's the story so far:

Sources close to Marty Schottenheimer and the San Diego Chargers said the coach was fired by the team Monday, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported.

Schottenheimer and Chargers general manager A.J. Smith have been having disagreements over staffing after losing a number of assistants. Dean Spanos, the team president, told Schottenheimer on Monday that it wasn't going to work between him and Smith.

Three days after the Chargers melted down in a stunning 24-21 playoff loss to New England, Spanos decided that bringing Schottenheimer back for the final year of his contract gave San Diego its best chance to win.

Schottenheimer, though, declined the team's offer of a one-year extension for 2008 worth $4.5 million, with a $1 million buyout.

"Right now, I wasn't comfortable accepting it," Schottenheimer told the Associated Press shortly after the season. He would have earned more than $3 million in 2007.

With a regular-season record of 200-126-1 with Cleveland, Kansas City, Washington and San Diego, Schottenheimer is the most successful coach never to have reached the Super Bowl.

[Cmill216]

So now the question is: where's he going to go (with no head jobs open), and who's going to replace him?

That's an incredible job opportunity for anyone.

[Mister J]

BREAKING NEWS from ESPN.com

Chargers Fire Marty Schottenheimer

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763552
A few weeks after the fact, but better late than never. :D

Death to MartyBall ...and underachieving playoff teams. :cmad: :up:

[Fran]

Are there any open head coaching positions still :huh:

[Cmill216]

Are there any open head coaching positions still :huh:

Nope.

[Ben Urich]

I like Marty. :csad:

[Fran]

You KNOW some team is gonna fire their coach within the next few days to get Marty.