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Morg
02-10-2007, 05:00 PM
LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251296,00.html)

Couple Charged With Having Intercourse In Front of 9-Year-Old Daughter to Teach Her About Sex

Saturday, February 10, 2007

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PROVIDENCE, R.I. — A Woonsocket mother and her boyfriend are headed to trial on charges they had intercourse in front of the woman's 9-year-old daughter as a way to teach the girl about sex.

Rebecca Arnold, of Woonsocket, and her boyfriend, David Prata, have pleaded not guilty to felony child-neglect charges. A pre-trial conference is scheduled for next month.

When questioned by an investigator from the state Department of Children, Youth and Families, Prata, 33, said he and Arnold, 36, had sex "all the time" in front of the child and that "we don't believe in hiding anything."

He said the girl would often be on the bed watching as the couple had sex. Though they did not ask her to leave, they also did not force her to remain on the bed, Prata said.

Asked why he thought a child that age should know about sexual acts, Prata replied, "We wanted to prepare her so she would know how," according to a report from the investigator, Vanessa E. Cisela.

The girl, who is now 11, went to live with her biological father in North Adams, Mass., after spending the summer with her mother in Woonsocket.

Her teacher called the Child Abuse Hotline in December 2004 to report that the girl said her mother and her boyfriend had sex in front of her.

The child told a Massachusetts social services investigator that her mother and Prata never touched her or tried to include her in the sex.

Woonsocket police arrested Prata and Arnold in February 2005. The couple is accused of "providing an environment that is lewd and depraved in a manner that makes their home unfit for the child to live in," according to court records.

Prata and Arnold are free on bail pending a March 19 pretrial conference in Family Court. They each face one to three years in prison or a maximum $1,000 fine, or both.

Their lawyers did not return phone calls from The Providence Journal.

Ok, there really should be a liscense for people having kids

Fran
02-10-2007, 05:02 PM
LOL. :down

Kaleb
02-10-2007, 05:02 PM
I totally agree, that was really wrong and stupid.

Catman
02-10-2007, 05:04 PM
Morg, why are you so fascinated with these types of stories?

PWN3R
02-10-2007, 05:05 PM
^^Yeah it's kind of creepy.

Fran
02-10-2007, 05:06 PM
Morg, why are you so fascinated with these types of stories?

You sure you wanna know?

Tangled Web
02-10-2007, 05:08 PM
That's kind of disturbing.

Catman
02-10-2007, 05:08 PM
You sure you wanna know?

um...now I don't wanna know! :ninja:

Dope Nose
02-10-2007, 05:10 PM
I learned to belittle my father that way.

Spider-Man Luvr28
02-10-2007, 05:11 PM
:dry: Creepy.:o

Lord Doom
02-10-2007, 05:14 PM
LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251296,00.html)



Ok, there really should be a liscense for people having kids
I think the Ramsey's still have one left.
I wonder why they didn't get a comment from the little girl?

Morg
02-10-2007, 05:17 PM
Morg, why are you so fascinated with these types of stories?



Fascinated? Not really, I recall the topic about parents needing liscense and this really proves some people do need it

and sex sells :ninja:

mightiest_mortal
02-10-2007, 05:27 PM
I can't believe theyre making such a big deal about it. Some people are just more open to these things as others are. I have sex in front of people all that time, its not exactly a major taboo. They didnt include the child at all, they didn't care if the child was there or not, the child probably had no idea what they were doing anyway. I think they were just very open about their sexual activities and didn't realise it matterd so much. If people are naturists does that mean theyre automatically peadophiles/perverts for walking round naked in front of their children?

tzarinna
02-10-2007, 05:29 PM
Really ****ed up.

Lord Doom
02-10-2007, 05:31 PM
I can't believe theyre making such a big deal about it. Some people are just more open to these things as others are. I have sex in front of people all that time, its not exactly a major taboo. They didnt include the child at all, they didn't care if the child was there or not, the child probably had no idea what they were doing anyway. I think they were just very open about their sexual activities and didn't realise it matterd so much. If people are naturists does that mean theyre automatically peadophiles/perverts for walking round naked in front of their children?
I love walking around nude. Just not in front of people other than my girl-friend.

Morg
02-10-2007, 05:37 PM
I can't believe theyre making such a big deal about it. Some people are just more open to these things as others are. I have sex in front of people all that time, its not exactly a major taboo. They didnt include the child at all, they didn't care if the child was there or not, the child probably had no idea what they were doing anyway. I think they were just very open about their sexual activities and didn't realise it matterd so much. If people are naturists does that mean theyre automatically peadophiles/perverts for walking round naked in front of their children?

It is a taboo, a 9 yr old shouldn't be around while the parents are having sex, they should had keep the kid away and the kid most likely had a ideal what was going on consider they were telling her it's sex. I bet that girl going be screwed up as she gets older and it's illegal in most states and countries doing it in front of your kids.

As for naturalist, some are pervs. It's one thing to walk around naked while the kid is young but to continue doing it while he or she is in teens or older seems a bit off to me. I would never walk around naked in front of my daughter nude, I'm not a prude but think it's just wrong exposing yourself in front of kids.

ultimatefan
02-10-2007, 06:23 PM
Donīt most kids catch their parents having sex at some point anyway? Should they all be arrested for not locking the door?

Cobblepot
02-10-2007, 06:33 PM
9 is a bit young to watch.
11 shoudn't be a problem though, I remeber my little brother sneeking up on me and my ex...offcourse I send him away. Just to find out his friend was watching too. :cmad:

Cyrusbales
02-10-2007, 06:36 PM
Don't you learn about stuff like that at 9?

Unfair also, how come they get a free show....

The Amazing Lee
02-10-2007, 06:44 PM
I remember pressing play on the video machine...and it was a sex video. How embarassing.

Thankfully never saw any "Live" action when I was younger.

Addendum
02-10-2007, 07:44 PM
Is the mom hot?

Ghostvirus
02-10-2007, 07:54 PM
I can't believe theyre making such a big deal about it. Some people are just more open to these things as others are. I have sex in front of people all that time, its not exactly a major taboo. They didnt include the child at all, they didn't care if the child was there or not, the child probably had no idea what they were doing anyway. I think they were just very open about their sexual activities and didn't realise it matterd so much. If people are naturists does that mean theyre automatically peadophiles/perverts for walking round naked in front of their children?

Agreed. I think people on here forget just how premiscious they were at 9. The fact that so many things are hidden from kids these is something that will bite us all in the a**. Someday. This is the age of the internet. Kids know a lot more than you think. They also grow up a lot faster than some of you might want to believe.

The Amazing Lee
02-10-2007, 07:55 PM
Is the mom hot?

Is that really a question you should be asking the child of the mother. :o

Abaddon
02-10-2007, 08:01 PM
I think people on here forget just how premiscious they were at 9.

:dry:

Crooklyn
02-10-2007, 08:14 PM
:dry:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Laughing/005.gif

Seriously. I can understand Junior High, but at 4th Grade? I was more preoccupied with missing my favorite cartoon show after school. :o

Gonking
02-10-2007, 08:15 PM
well done :up:

Ghostvirus
02-10-2007, 08:16 PM
:dry:

:dry: Right back at you.

I am not saying that 9 year olds are out having wild sex with anyone, & everyone. I am saying that, that isn't exactly the worst age that a girl could start learning about it.

I know everybody would like to think they were innocent little birds as a youngin, but truly think back. You weren't that innocent, & if you were. I feel sorry for you.

Crooklyn
02-10-2007, 08:23 PM
:dry: Right back at you.

I am not saying that 9 year olds are out having wild sex with anyone, & everyone. I am saying that, that isn't exactly the worst age that a girl could start learning about it.

I know everybody would like to think they were innocent little birds as a youngin, but truly think back. You weren't that innocent, & if you were. I feel sorry for you.
There might have been some "talk" about it, but none on par with watching live sex. Hell, I don't even think most of us watched full-on porn until at least 6th grade.

Addendum
02-10-2007, 08:23 PM
Is that really a question you should be asking the child of the mother. :o

If I had a hot mom, I wouldn't mind watching

mightiest_mortal
02-10-2007, 08:24 PM
pfft.. in England people are raising children and living off benefits when theyre that age.

Ghostvirus
02-10-2007, 08:28 PM
There might have been some "talk" about it, but none on par with watching live sex. Hell, I don't even think most of us watched full-on porn until at least 6th grade.

No probably not, but if this woman was doing it casually with some one that she loved. Then it would have been more of a positive sexual experience than he stumbling on to porn.

Crooklyn
02-10-2007, 08:30 PM
No probably not, but if this woman was doing it casually with some one that she loved. Then it would have been more of a positive sexual experience than he stumbling on to porn.
Making love with someone you love is all find for the mom...but that has nothing to do with the daughter. I'm sorry, but that's just sick. There's a time and place for everything, but f**king in front of a child that doesn't ask/expect it is crossing the line.

SoulManX
02-10-2007, 08:35 PM
Morg where do u find this stuff:dry:

Addendum
02-10-2007, 08:39 PM
Morg where do u find this stuff:dry:

http://images.overstock.com/f/102/3117/8h/www.overstock.com/images/products/muze/books/0446613096.jpg

or maybe some of the other collections

Arkady Rossovich
02-10-2007, 08:49 PM
Nothing makes sence anymore.

Morg
02-10-2007, 08:55 PM
Morg where do u find this stuff:dry:

same place where some of us are members :oldrazz: over at F**K.com

They get weird and bizarre news from all over the world and free porn :ninja:

Addendum
02-10-2007, 08:57 PM
The website is

There's nothing to censor.

***Yes there is consider the porn it has there, don't do that again

Telekinetic
02-10-2007, 09:02 PM
gross

Dorian Gray
02-10-2007, 09:07 PM
......................they were her parents, incest much?
I'm someone who would normally rant about my Pro-Child Protection stance but I'll refrain for now and just say.


Gross :dry:

Morg
02-10-2007, 09:13 PM
......................they were her parents, incest much?
I'm someone who would normally rant about my Pro-Child Protection stance but I'll refrain for now and just say.


Gross :dry:

Read it again, the guy wasn't her father. It was the mom's boyfriend

Dorian Gray
02-10-2007, 09:22 PM
Read it again, the guy wasn't her father. It was the mom's boyfriend

yea I know, now I re-read it after I posted. I just skimmed it before.

Kritish
02-10-2007, 10:38 PM
Some people deserved to get raped in prison, this is one of them. :down:

ang_hulk
02-10-2007, 11:33 PM
nope.now she might have odd ideas.I know i do

ShadowBoxing
02-10-2007, 11:35 PM
Well it was probably the best unintentional teen abstinence program the mother could have sent her kid to.

heypapajinx
02-11-2007, 04:42 AM
i saw my dad have sex with my step mom when i was younger.
i felt so dirty. and the fact that they were having it on the living room sofa where everone could see did feel wrong... if only i had known that i could sue.
i might have a little nest egg saved up for all the abuse that i had witnessed.:dry:

Hack and Slash
02-11-2007, 05:14 AM
I like sick people :up:

Jerry
02-11-2007, 05:47 AM
I doubt that something like that is going to screw her up or cause any problems as she gets older. Doesn't make it right or wrong, but she won't have any mental problems or crap like that. Thats the part that is being made a big deal of.

FEAR THE BAT
02-11-2007, 05:53 AM
Well, whenever we find out she a 16 yr old junkie hooker with two kids you'll have your proof.

Kyalesyin
02-11-2007, 08:15 AM
I doubt that something like that is going to screw her up or cause any problems as she gets older. Doesn't make it right or wrong, but she won't have any mental problems or crap like that. Thats the part that is being made a big deal of.

Give me some evidence to back up this assbackwards veiw and I might not laugh at you.

Mr Jide
02-11-2007, 08:23 AM
Is that really a question you should be asking the child of the mother. :o

Tell that to the boy who raped his mother.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/409192893/m/8440083590001?r=3750055590001

Kyalesyin
02-11-2007, 08:25 AM
Tell that to the boy who raped his mother.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/409192893/m/8440083590001?r=3750055590001

Remind me never to have a son

Mayor_McCheese
02-11-2007, 08:31 AM
Did anyone in either of these two situations get any anal?

Kyalesyin
02-11-2007, 08:33 AM
Does that change anything?

Mr Jide
02-11-2007, 08:36 AM
Did anyone in either of these two situations get any anal?

:huh:

Your a sick freak aren't you? :o

fu manchu
02-11-2007, 10:45 AM
I wonder what would be the next lesson in her sex education? I wonder if there was a quiz or a final exam?








LOL. I know that was wrong to ask. :woot:

SoulManX
02-11-2007, 11:22 AM
Tell that to the boy who raped his mother.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/409192893/m/8440083590001?r=3750055590001


:dry:

Darthphere
02-11-2007, 11:56 AM
Shazam and Abra Kadabra!

chamber-music
02-11-2007, 12:44 PM
Tell that to the boy who raped his mother.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/409192893/m/8440083590001?r=3750055590001

it did say they live in a Trailer Park

Milkman95
02-11-2007, 01:47 PM
Trailer trash, that explains a lot.

Also, you have to be mentally unstable to have sex in front of your 9 year old daughter. That couple should be forced to watch a pair of 90 year olds locked in a room having sex with a bottle of Viagra and a tube of KY....

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 02:34 PM
Trailer trash, that explains a lot.

Also, you have to be mentally unstable to have sex in front of your 9 year old daughter. That couple should be forced to watch a pair of 90 year olds locked in a room having sex with a bottle of Viagra and a tube of KY....
Why the hell do I have to be there?!?!?!

Shuley
02-11-2007, 04:10 PM
Typical Woonsocket,RI. Woonsocket is your typical low class/middle class "I dropped-out-of-high-school" kinda place,so a story like this doesn't surprise me from there.

Maxwell Smart
02-11-2007, 04:18 PM
Trailer trash, that explains a lot.

Yes anyone who lives in a mobile home does things like that. :rolleyes:

Prejudiced much?

Milkman95
02-11-2007, 04:21 PM
Yes anyone who lives in a mobile home does things like that. :rolleyes:

Prejudiced much?

Actually, rapes, murder, as well as other ridiculous things happen more in trailer parks, or lower income housing. It's a fact, get over it.........

Cyrusbales
02-11-2007, 04:25 PM
anyone from UK here that just watched Top Gear? They were in alabama, and had rocks thrown at them and chased because they had 'country and western sucks' painted on a car, among other things.

Yeah, trailer folks are nice....

Spidey-Bat
02-11-2007, 04:25 PM
If my parents did that to me at that age, I'd still be vomiting to this day.

Maxwell Smart
02-11-2007, 04:26 PM
Actually, rapes, murder, as well as other ridiculous things happen more in trailer parks, or lower income housing. It's a fact, get over it.........

You're a bigoted jerk. :dry:

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 04:49 PM
Actually, rapes, murder, as well as other ridiculous things happen more in trailer parks, or lower income housing. It's a fact, get over it.........

wow.

on top of making yourself out to be an asshat, your statement is also incorrect.

Honey Vibe
02-11-2007, 04:53 PM
She's probably an inadequate mother in a lot of ways :down

Milkman95
02-11-2007, 04:54 PM
wow.

on top of making yourself out to be an asshat, your statement is also incorrect.

Well, I don't know where you're from circus clown, but it's a fact that more crime happens in lower income situations. Look it up.

Maxwell Smart
02-11-2007, 05:04 PM
^Do us all a favor and shutup, ignoramous.

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 05:06 PM
^Do us all a favor and shutup, ignoramous.

word.

also, most rapes happen on college campuses. look that up, *****.

Milkman95
02-11-2007, 05:17 PM
word.

also, most rapes happen on college campuses. look that up, *****.

Wow, I take it college dorms are high income situations?

Milkman95
02-11-2007, 05:18 PM
^Do us all a favor and shutup, ignoramous.

Man, grow a thicker skin or simply move on...

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 05:20 PM
Wow, I take it college dorms are high income situations?

well, i know that the "rape capital" as far as colleges goes is miami of ohio. it's about a $40,000 a year school.

so yeah, high income.

Won '08
02-11-2007, 05:26 PM
They got arrested for this? Are you kidding? The Laws in this country are ridiculous. Even the little girl herself said she was never forced to watched. She chose to do so. That should have ended it right there. Some people and some families have different ways about things. As long as it's not physically or mentally detrimental to the child then who the heck cares?

Jeez.

Won '08
02-11-2007, 05:29 PM
You're a bigoted jerk. :dry: Nah, he's speaking fact.

"Low Income situations" and "Low income communities" are different though.

A low income area, here in Brooklyn, such as say....Bedford-Stuyvesant...

has a higher rate of active criminal activity than a high income area in Brooklyn, such as Crown Heights.

It's an honest to goodness truth.

Won '08
02-11-2007, 05:32 PM
well, i know that the "rape capital" as far as colleges goes is miami of ohio. it's about a $40,000 a year school.

so yeah, high income.

College is a totally different setting than an open community

Jerry
02-11-2007, 05:55 PM
Give me some evidence to back up this assbackwards view and I might not laugh at you.

Its the equivalent of walking in your parents basically, without them knowing about it. People think kids are so freaking fragile, that if they see ANYTHING graphic, oh thats it they're ****ed for life. Saw your mom having sex, well sorry kid that automatically turns you into a drug junkie. You are telling me there is more logic in that thinking? Worse things have happened to people I know and they aren't twisted up in that ****. You can't just write off this kids life because she saw that.

Crooklyn
02-11-2007, 05:57 PM
Its the equivalent of walking in your parents basically, without them knowing about it.
Yeah, I guess it's equivalent, if you just ignore the fact that in this case the child saw the whole session(s) and the couple DID know about it.

:huh:

Jerry
02-11-2007, 06:00 PM
It doesn't really matter when it comes down to it. The real things that should be investigated is how the rest of her home life has been.

Crooklyn
02-11-2007, 06:02 PM
Lol, I wonder if you'd keep the same cool had it been your 9 yr. old daughter. :o

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 06:05 PM
you all are crazy.

it's not okay for a 9 year old girl to watch her mom and her mom's dude to ****. it's just not.

Won '08
02-11-2007, 06:09 PM
you all are crazy.

it's not okay for a 9 year old girl to watch her mom and her mom's dude to ****. it's just not. Why not? Because your government says so?

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 06:11 PM
Why not? Because your government says so?

yes, that's exactly why. :up:

Won '08
02-11-2007, 06:13 PM
yes, that's exactly why. :up: Well then...as much as I don't hate to say this.

You're a tool.

Need an extension cord , there, Mr. Out of the Toolbox, Tooly Tool? :oldrazz:

Crooklyn
02-11-2007, 06:14 PM
Why not? Because your government says so?
Are you implying that it IS alright?

Jerry
02-11-2007, 06:14 PM
Goddamn, people just learn reading comprehension. I am not saying its right, I am just saying , sans any kind of abuse or anything else that wasn't reported or hasn't been reported yet, that this alone isn't going to screw her up in the head or anything. She isn't destined for the street corner or being a junkie because of this. People don't give kids enough credit.

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 06:16 PM
Well then...as much as I don't hate to say this.

You're a tool.

Need an extension cord , there, Mr. Out of the Toolbox, Tooly Tool? :oldrazz:

i guess sarcasm doesn't translate as well as i'd hoped.

it's not okay because that kid is probably going to have a ****ed up sense of what sex is.

besides, the innocence of a child is one of the most beautiful things ever. it's sad to see that taken away.

Won '08
02-11-2007, 06:18 PM
Are you implying that it IS alright? Implying?

I straight up said it's their business. As long as the child is not harmed or physically forced to do anything.

Crooklyn
02-11-2007, 06:19 PM
Goddamn, people just learn reading comprehension. I am not saying its right, I am just saying , sans any kind of abuse or anything else that wasn't reported or hasn't been reported yet, that this alone isn't going to screw her up in the head or anything. She isn't destined for the street corner or being a junkie because of this. People don't give kids enough credit.
I've read most of the thread, and not everyone's saying that. I think most of us can agree that this act was pretty f**ked up though. What kind of effect it has on the child is up to debate.

Won '08
02-11-2007, 06:19 PM
i guess sarcasm doesn't translate as well as i'd hoped.

it's not okay because that kid is probably going to have a ****ed up sense of what sex is.

besides, the innocence of a child is one of the most beautiful things ever. it's sad to see that taken away.

Why? Because they taught her about it in a very graphic way?

and what is innocence to you? Ignorance? AKA- Lack Of Knowledge?

If you call that beautiful than I'd rather be grotesque.

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 06:21 PM
Why? Because they taught her about it in a very graphic way?

and what is innocence to you? Ignorance? AKA- Lack Of Knowledge?

If you call that beautiful than I'd rather be grotesque.

dude, you're ****ed. :up:

Crooklyn
02-11-2007, 06:24 PM
and what is innocence to you? Ignorance? AKA- Lack Of Knowledge?
Dawg....she's f**kin' 9. Sex isn't exactly on the top of the priority list.

You seem like the type of guy at the mall during Christmas-time yelling at the kids, "Santa isn't real you little ****s! Why are you even here, he's not going to give you presents! It's just an old bum in a suit and fake beard!! It's FAKE! Goddammit you're so ignorant. AAARRGGHHH!!"


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Laughing/004.gif

AndThePickles
02-11-2007, 06:29 PM
LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251296,00.html)



Ok, there really should be a liscense for people having kids

I think it's pretty disgusting. There are other ways to teach the kid about sex.....and it sounds like they weren't TEACHING her, just ****ing in front of her.

Won '08
02-11-2007, 06:32 PM
dude, you're ****ed. :up: Mostly by a christian's standards but otherwise I am to be considered a "realist". :woot:

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 06:33 PM
I agree with Photojones, I mean, if you're worried about wether or not your NINE-YEAR-OLD daughter knows how to build the beast with two backs, then you're not raising a little GIRL; you're raising a little ****.

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 06:34 PM
Mostly by a christian's standards but otherwise I am to be considered a "realist". :woot:

there ain't nothing real about you. you're as fake as they come...myspace shower boy...

Won '08
02-11-2007, 06:35 PM
Dawg....she's f**kin' 9. Sex isn't exactly on the top of the priority list.

You seem like the type of guy at the mall during Christmas-time yelling at the kids, "Santa isn't real you little ****s! Why are you even here, he's not going to give you presents! It's just an old bum in a suit and fake beard!! It's FAKE! Goddammit you're so ignorant. AAARRGGHHH!!"


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Laughing/004.gif It's not on the top of -your- list. Maybe it's theirs?

and I could care less about others beliefs. If someone asked me what I thought, I'll tell them straight up.

I'm not the type to intrude on anyone else's beliefs, but if i am asked my opinion...my opinion will be stated.

and here, my opinion is, it's their life-style. Their business. They didn't harm, nor force the child. They chose not to shoo her away. No problemo.

Would -I- do such a thing? Probably not. But that is me. Not them.

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 06:36 PM
I agree with Photojones, I mean, if you're worried about wether or not your NINE-YEAR-OLD daughter knows how to build the beast with two backs, then you're not raising a little GIRL; you're raising a little ****.

pretty much. at nine years old shouldn't the parents be explaining why their daughter can't have a pony, instead of showing her how to have sex?

Won '08
02-11-2007, 06:36 PM
there ain't nothing real about you. you're as fake as they come...myspace shower boy...
I'm as fake as they come because my old Shower Pictures from High School are on myspace?

Wow. Seems like someone is a bit envious of what a girl's fancy looks like. :whatever:

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 06:38 PM
Mostly by a christian's standards but otherwise I am to be considered a "realist". :woot:
I think you're f#%ked, and I'M not a christian.
Then again, there's nothing wrong with being f#%ked.

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 06:40 PM
While form the sound of it, the woman wasn't trying to do anythign wrong, but I still don't agree with her. Like most, I think the girl is a little young. And while I understand that hands-on learning can be the best sometimtes, it isn't always the case. I wouldn't teach my kid that murdering is wrong by going out and killing someone in front of them. And I don't think this girl will go up emotionanlly scared or anything, I just don't agreee with the parenting.

Crooklyn
02-11-2007, 06:41 PM
It's not on the top of -your- list. Maybe it's theirs?
I'm talking about the girl. That's not something she has to be worried about for a while.

And even if we're talking about the parents, what possible reason could they have for introducing full-on intercourse to this child at such a young age? Their "excuse" of educating her is such bull****, they just wanted to f**k and didn't care who was around.

and here, my opinion is, it's their life-style. Their business. They didn't harm, nor force the child. They chose not to shoo her away. No problemo.
Can you honestly say that'd be your exact reaction if the girl was your daughter, or someone you were close with?

Won '08
02-11-2007, 06:43 PM
While form the sound of it, the woman wasn't trying to do anythign wrong, but I still don't agree with her. Like most, I think the girl is a little young. And while I understand that hands-on learning can be the best sometimtes, it isn't always the case. I wouldn't teach my kid that murdering is wrong by going out and killing someone in front of them. And I don't think this girl will go up emotionanlly scared or anything, I just don't agreee with the parenting.

Bingo. I don't Agree with it. But I don't agree with them being punished for it either.

It's their business. Though I wouldn't do it my self, I wouldn't condemn these people for it.

AndThePickles
02-11-2007, 06:44 PM
And even if we're talking about the parents, what possible reason could they have for introducing full-on intercourse to this child at such a young age? Their "excuse" of educating her is such bull****, they just wanted to f**k and didn't care who was around.



I agree. And I think that watching her mother screw around with her boyfriend is much too graphic for a young girl.

Won '08
02-11-2007, 06:45 PM
I'm talking about the girl. That's not something she has to be worried about for a while.

And even if we're talking about the parents, what possible reason could they have for introducing full-on intercourse to this child at such a young age? Their "excuse" of educating her is such bull****, they just wanted to f**k and didn't care who was around.


Can you honestly say that'd be your exact reaction if the girl was your daughter, or someone you were close with?


Can I honestly say it'd be my exact reaction?

No. I already said I wouldn't do the same.

If it were -my- child. I wouldn't have done it. Thats just not how I was raised.

If it were someone I was close to, I'd be like "wow thats pretty interesting" and keep it moving.

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 06:53 PM
Can I honestly say it'd be my exact reaction?

No. I already said I wouldn't do the same.

If it were -my- child. I wouldn't have done it. Thats just not how I was raised.

If it were someone I was close to, I'd be like "wow thats pretty interesting" and keep it moving.

dude, i'm a pretty liberal guy, but the one thing i do agree with most people on is protecting kids.

i have NO qualms with that mother and her boyfriend rotting in jail. protecting kids is THE most important thing we as a society have to do.

Won '08
02-11-2007, 06:59 PM
dude, i'm a pretty liberal guy, but the one thing i do agree with most people on is protecting kids.

i have NO qualms with that mother and her boyfriend rotting in jail. protecting kids is THE most important thing we as a society have to do.
So theres a lack of protection going on in the crib cus she saw mommy and her man-friend go at it?

Sigh. Im going to go roll up and blow down some trees. I need to be high for this discussion.

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 07:01 PM
While form the sound of it, the woman wasn't trying to do anythign wrong, but I still don't agree with her. Like most, I think the girl is a little young. And while I understand that hands-on learning can be the best sometimtes, it isn't always the case. I wouldn't teach my kid that murdering is wrong by going out and killing someone in front of them. And I don't think this girl will go up emotionanlly scared or anything, I just don't agreee with the parenting.
That's pretty much how I feel. Only thing is, IT WAS ILLEGAL. They're going to jail either way. They should've known what the consequences of their actions would be. I'm not saying I agree with what they did, I'm just saying, "Why do it in the first place?" I understand that they wanted to "educate" their little whore, they just should've thought it through. You don't go around having sex in front of children without thinking about what's gonna happen in the future.

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 07:02 PM
So theres a lack of protection going on in the crib cus she saw mommy and her man-friend go at it?

Sigh. Im going to go roll up and blow down some trees. I need to be high for this discussion.

she didn't just see it man...her parents SHOWED her. there's a HUGE difference.

and yeah that's a lack of protection.

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 07:03 PM
That's pretty much how I feel. Only thing is, IT WAS ILLEGAL. They're going to jail either way. They should've known what the consequences of their actions would be. I'm not saying I agree with what they did, I'm just saying, "Why do it in the first place?" I understand that they wanted to "educate" their little whore, they just should've thought it through. You don't go around having sex in front of children without thinking about what's gonna happen in the future.
I actually agreed with most of what you were saying, until you randomly called the little girl "whore"....

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 07:05 PM
dude, i'm a pretty liberal guy, but the one thing i do agree with most people on is protecting kids.

i have NO qualms with that mother and her boyfriend rotting in jail. protecting kids is THE most important thing we as a society have to do.
If it can actually be proven that weren't in any way trying to harm the girl, then I don't think they should really be put in jail. I do think that the child would need to be in the custody of her father instead though.

PhotoJones
02-11-2007, 07:16 PM
If it can actually be proven that weren't in any way trying to harm the girl, then I don't think they should really be put in jail. I do think that the child would need to be in the custody of her father instead though.

it doesn't matter if the child was harmed or not. the laws are in place to protect those kids that ARE harmed.

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 07:21 PM
I actually agreed with most of what you were saying, until you randomly called the little girl "whore"....
That's obviously what her parents are raising her to be. Teaching her how to have sex at 9 years old?! And doing it in front of her?! What do they expect her to be when she gets older?
The girl's probably thinking, "Wow. If sex is so important to my mommy, maybe I should have it as much as possible..."

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 07:30 PM
That's obviously what her parents are raising her to be. Teaching her how to have sex at 9 years old?! And doing it in front of her?! What do they expect her to be when she gets older?
The girl's probably thinking, "Wow. If sex is so important to my mommy, maybe I should have it as much as possible..."
Or, they were trying to show her that sex is a normal part of life and were trying ot take the mystery and allure out of it so she wouldn't just go trying it herself just out of curiosity.

It's the same as letting a younger kid have a very small glass of wine at dinner. Not only do they feel more like a grown-up and act more mature, but it shows them that there is no huge wonderful mystery about alcohol so they are less tempted to try it randomly with there friends after school.

I highly doubt they were thinking 'lety's raise our daughter to be a whore", they were actualyl trying to help teh kid understand something. Unfortunately, they did it a a very wrong way IMO.

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 07:43 PM
Or, they were trying to show her that sex is a normal part of life and were trying ot take the mystery and allure out of it so she wouldn't just go trying it herself just out of curiosity.

It's the same as letting a younger kid have a very small glass of wine at dinner. Not only do they feel more like a grown-up and act more mature, but it shows them that there is no huge wonderful mystery about alcohol so they are less tempted to try it randomly with there friends after school.

I highly doubt they were thinking 'lety's raise our daughter to be a whore", they were actualyl trying to help teh kid understand something. Unfortunately, they did it a a very wrong way IMO.
You're right. They probably didn't THINK they were raising their daughter to be a ****, but that's probably what's gonna happen. Let me ask you, are you a guy or a girl?

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 07:46 PM
guy

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 07:48 PM
guy
Have you ever seen a pornographic film before?

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 07:48 PM
yes

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 07:53 PM
yes
When you watched your FIRST pornographic movie, what was going through your mind?

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 07:56 PM
When you watched your FIRST pornographic movie, what was going through your mind?
I honestly don't remember. i didn't see one until I knew all about sex.

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 08:15 PM
I honestly don't remember. i didn't see one until I knew all about sex.
I was thinking "Wow. I really want to do that." And I'm guessing that you were thinking something along those lines. Now, if a little girl sees her mommy (whom she probably idolizes) in the middle of an act that appears to be VERY pleasurable to her mom, wouldn't she be thinking, "Mommy seems to enjoy it. She does it a lot. Maybe I should do it to."
It's a kind of peer presure, which children at that age are HIGHLY susseptible to, only the presure is more of a suggestion (maybe I worded that wrong) and the peer happens to be someone the girl adores and probably tries to be like. Now, if the mother had told her daughter, "You should never do this until you find someone you love," or "You should wait until AFTER you're married before you try this," then that would be fine. But she probably didn't (or maybe she DID, hell I don't know) and the little girl is gonna grow up thinking that sex is some wonderful and inconsequencial act that she should do whenever she gets the chance.
The point is, the mother wasn't teaching her daughter about the safeties of sex or even the beauty of it. She was teaching her how to HAVE it.

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 08:28 PM
I was thinking "Wow. I really want to do that." And I'm guessing that you were thinking something along those lines. Now, if a little girl sees her mommy (whom she probably idolizes) in the middle of an act that appears to be VERY pleasurable to her mom, wouldn't she be thinking, "Mommy seems to enjoy it. She does it a lot. Maybe I should do it to."
It's a kind of peer presure, which children at that age are HIGHLY susseptible to, only the presure is more of a suggestion (maybe I worded that wrong) and the peer happens to be someone the girl adores and probably tries to be like. Now, if the mother had told her daughter, "You should never do this until you find someone you love," or "You should wait until AFTER you're married before you try this," then that would be fine. But she probably didn't (or maybe she DID, hell I don't know) and the little girl is gonna grow up thinking that sex is some wonderful and inconsequencial act that she should do whenever she gets the chance.
The point is, the mother wasn't teaching her daughter about the safeties of sex or even the beauty of it. She was teaching her how to HAVE it.
But we don't know that. I see what you're saying, but the mother could have just as easily been telling her daughter things like "only do this with someone you love". Like you said, we simply don't know.

As for the porn, you're right that I probably was thinking "I want to do that", but I was much older, knew actually knew all about sex, and had gone through puberty and actualyl had a libido, somethign the girl in all likelihood is missing.

Once again, I don't agree with the mom in how she was teachign the girl about sex, but like you said, children are very susceptible to suggestion, and if the mom did actualyl talk to her about sex and how it was special and only for married people to do it, then there is just as good of a chance that the girl won't grow up a total ****.

I also think some people here aren't giving children enough credit. Children are actualyl much better at handling mentally difficult situations than most people think. If she actually didn't like seeing the sex (which is a possibility) there is still an extremely good chance that it will not mentally scar her for life like some are thinking it would, which I hope is the case and the child turns out fine. In fact, a lot of what we consider mentally traumatizing events for children don't hurt them nearly as much as the aftermath when they see their friends and family have changed because of them.

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 08:43 PM
But we don't know that. I see what you're saying, but the mother could have just as easily been telling her daughter things like "only do this with someone you love". Like you said, we simply don't know.

As for the porn, you're right that I probably was thinking "I want to do that", but I was much older, knew actually knew all about sex, and had gone through puberty and actualyl had a libido, somethign the girl in all likelihood is missing.

Once again, I don't agree with the mom in how she was teachign the girl about sex, but like you said, children are very susceptible to suggestion, and if the mom did actualyl talk to her about sex and how it was special and only for married people to do it, then there is just as good of a chance that the girl won't grow up a total ****.

I also think some people here aren't giving children enough credit. Children are actualyl much better at handling mentally difficult situations than most people think. If she actually didn't like seeing the sex (which is a possibility) there is still an extremely good chance that it will not mentally scar her for life like some are thinking it would, which I hope is the case and the child turns out fine. In fact, a lot of what we consider mentally traumatizing events for children don't hurt them nearly as much as the aftermath when they see their friends and family have changed because of them.
Indeed.
BTW, I was kidding around when I called the girl a "whore" which is why I put whore in quotation marks. Otherwise I agree with you completely.

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 08:50 PM
Indeed.
BTW, I was kidding around when I called the girl a "whore" which is why I put whore in quotation marks. Otherwise I agree with you completely.
Yeah, I just think that this is one of those cases where the mom was actually trying to be a good parent, and just screwed up royally. At least the girl is with her father now, and hopefully he isn't having sex in front of her.

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 08:52 PM
Yeah, I just think that this is one of those cases where the mom was actually trying to be a good parent, and just screwed up royally. At least the girl is with her father now, and hopefully he isn't having sex in front of her.
Don't be too sure........:oldrazz:

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 08:59 PM
Don't be too sure........:oldrazz:
haha...well you know now she's 11 so it's totally fine :woot:

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 09:01 PM
haha...well you know now she's 11 so it's totally fine :woot:
That's when I had my first one-night-stand.:woot:

kytrigger
02-11-2007, 09:05 PM
the boogy-man doesn't count as a one-night stand...

Lord Doom
02-11-2007, 09:10 PM
the boogy-man doesn't count as a one-night stand...
Damn!

Fanticon
02-11-2007, 11:12 PM
That poor girl...this goes way beyond accidentally walking in on your parents having sex. She'll be scarred for life.
They wanted to teach her?! She was friggin' 9 yrs old...try helping her with her homework. Those have to be some of the most brainless parents I've ever read about.

Kritish
02-12-2007, 12:13 AM
The daughter wasn't molested, she wasn't raped. The mother does not deserve to go to jail, should a mother be arrested for letting her child watch a film with a sex scene? The mother exercised poor judgement but it shouldn't be considered illegal.

Won '08
02-12-2007, 09:05 AM
The daughter wasn't molested, she wasn't raped. The mother does not deserve to go to jail, should a mother be arrested for letting her child watch a film with a sex scene? The mother exercised poor judgement but it shouldn't be considered illegal.
I'm surprised no one brought up that comparison in the first place.

Colossal Spoons
02-12-2007, 10:23 AM
The daughter wasn't molested, she wasn't raped. The mother does not deserve to go to jail, should a mother be arrested for letting her child watch a film with a sex scene? The mother exercised poor judgement but it shouldn't be considered illegal.

I agree that jail is a bit harsh, but I also don't think it was a good idea on the mother's part. Movie sex and real life sex are a little bit different. Only amateur porn comes close to capturing what real sex is like.

kane9321
02-12-2007, 10:30 AM
jail is harsh...while its disgusting and vile..mom didnt really didnt committ a crime.

Darthphere
02-12-2007, 10:31 AM
jail is harsh...while its disgusting and vile..mom didnt really didnt committ a crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_Obscenity_Test

kane9321
02-12-2007, 10:32 AM
damnit darth..thats too much to read.lol

Darthphere
02-12-2007, 10:37 AM
damnit darth..thats too much to read.lol

Pretty much, this is all you have to read here:

The Miller test was developed in the 1973 case Miller v. California. It has three parts:

* Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
* Whether the work depicts/describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions [1] specifically defined by applicable state law,
* Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.


This Miller Test really applies to Speech and Expression, but I'll assume it could be applied here.

Wilhelm-Scream
02-12-2007, 10:56 AM
That's kind of disturbing.
If Tangled Web says it's "disturbing...it's "disturbing". :up:

Arkady Rossovich
02-12-2007, 08:19 PM
The daughter wasn't molested, she wasn't raped. The mother does not deserve to go to jail, should a mother be arrested for letting her child watch a film with a sex scene? The mother exercised poor judgement but it shouldn't be considered illegal.

True,but i can imagine why so many people replied to this thread..is because they are fascinated with this.I bet some are thinking.. "Why wasn`t i the kid watching?" or "I wonder if i could do the same thing with my child..." dark,odd.But i know some are thinking this...if not..this topic would be already dead.

kytrigger
02-12-2007, 08:21 PM
^ And since you bumped it after over 12 hours of death, you must be one of the ones thinking that way...