CSPAN: Democratic Presidential Candidates Forum

[Venom'sDad]

For those that watched it, what was your thoughts and opinions on what you saw and heard from the candidates and whether you think a particular candidates will win the nomination or not, who actually impressed you the most, was the most informed on the issues outside of Iraq, and presented their the best?

I know that's a lot on the plate, but interested to here your opinions on one, multiple, or all the questions I just put forth and anything else you want to add, as far as the CSPAN Forum is concern.

[blind_fury]

Whats a c span?

*goes back to watching I Love NY*

[Mee]

Venom'sDad, you're one of the greatest, what, ever? :huh:

[Immortalfire]

Someone watches C-Span?


:oldrazz:

[Mee]

Hey I just noticed your location Fire, that's dedication. :woot: :up:

[Darth Elektra]

I didnt know it was coming on, Is their a re-run.

[Venom'sDad]

Yes... it is starting right now as we speak. I suggest many of you tune in, some of you may become better informed. :dry:

[PhotoJones]

did you know that c-span was so wildly popular, there's also a c-span 2?

[blind_fury]

Yes... it is starting right now as we speak. I suggest many of you tune in, some of you may become better informed. :dry:

Better informed about what? How doomed the human race is?

[Darth Elektra]

Yes... it is starting right now as we speak. I suggest many of you tune in, some of you may become better informed. :dry:

Cool, Im watching it.

[Spiderine]

Hell, this is probably the best thing on TV right now. Thousands of channels and nothings ever on.

[Venom'sDad]

I recommend that many of you view CSPAN broadcast of Rudy Giuliani speech he gave at CPAC. The next broadcast is at 12:33am et/ 11:33pm ct, if many of you have the time..... I understand it's friday night. :D

[Darth Elektra]

Cool, Im going to Tivo it.

Rudy is a great guy, and he would make a good president.

[Venom'sDad]

I know many of you don’t really watch or even follow the CSPAN Networks; although, many of you have huge political opinions based off Fox, MSNBC, CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, LA Times, ABC, CBS, Air America, and Clear Channel(Rush & Hannity), etc. What I like most about the CSPAN Networks is its raw feeds. Very little of it is edited, spliced into sound bites, or influenced by either perspective…. be it Democratic, Republican, Independent, Green Party, Libertarian Party, Labor, Liberal, Conservative, Moderate, Radical Left or Christian Right. CSPAN present raw feeds as they are, which to me, give a much better understanding of what the political atmosphere is, politician & candidates true views on issues, the spin they front on the major networks, news media, and printed press, and the scene, before & after the broadcast behind the scenes things that is really never meant to be seen on public television. It’s good that we have YouTube as well.

With that said, I saw on CSPAN “Road to the White house 2008” series, the “Lincoln Day Dinner Iowa Republican Party” where some of the Republican Party Candidates had a chance to speak to the Iowa voters…. Mostly Republican voters. However, I was fascinated about Rudy G little speech. They will broadcast the whole event, and I suggest many of you tune in. I don’t know if the Democrats would have the same thing, but it’s Iowa, so I would assume they will fairly soon. I have to say, IMO, Rudy is smooth. Much smoother IMO than Bill Clinton, and that says a lot. Some of you may not be able to understand exactly what he is saying, because he disguise it very well. He says all the right things, that really I cannot argue against; but, if one listen carefully, there is an understanding there, that maybe only those in the know can discern.

G.W. Bush was able to convince the people that he is a Conservative Republican. I have for seven years argued with people in various formats that Bush is a Liberal Republican…. So is McCain, Rudy, and even Arnold. IMO there are no real Candidate for the people, so America is doomed to vote in someone who will continue the march to Socialism and a member state into the New World Order that Eisenhower and Reagan warned the American people about. I have to admit, Rudy gave a great speech… he truly did; however, there is an under-toned meaning behind it, and you all need to see it yourself. I think he will be the Republican nominee. The bottom-line, we are going to get Rudy vs Hillary, and regardless of who America chooses, it is going to be SCARY for a huge percentage of Americans....maybe not near the level of Hitler and the Jews, but very similar in context.

I urge you all to start viewing CSPAN sometimes.

[Calvin]

I don't have a tv, is there a good place to download these things?

[Darth Elektra]

Im a big fan of MSNBC.

[Darth Elektra]

Im a big fan of MSNBC.

[Venom'sDad]

Well the Democrat had their first debate forum yesterday on MSNBC. It simply was a forum to re-establish Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee…. and it was successful. Although it’s April 2007 and most people won’t remember the events that have taken place yesterday by February 2008; it’s the moving of money towards the Clinton Campaign and away from the other major Democratic Candidates, that will solidify Hillary as the Democratic Nominee and one more step closer to the White House, for those contributors that have been on the fence or on the Barak Bandwagon. I have stated on several occasions that this is an obvious set up for a Rudy vs. Hillary Election. There are no true candidates here; just the perception that the American people has a choice and a vote.

If there ever was any candidates to get behind that I felt would in some cases resist the forward movement in removing American Sovereignty and ferocious drive toward a softer version of Socialism, but Socialism neither-the-less.; it would have been Obama and Newt. Well, Obama has just proved he’s just a crock… he is done, imo. Newt is part of the Washington Establishment and given his profound understanding of history & trends and strong sense of American sovereignty & innovation, I don’t have much faith in him either. He is yet to declare a bid and much like Obama, would not win anyway; because again, it is a set up for a Rudy vs. Hillary Election…. if you want to call it an election.

All I saw last night was an open interview process for the VP Candidate for the Hillary 2008 Campaign. Basically six candidates positioning themselves for Hillary VP choice and one candidate(Obama who still believe the hype) who think he has a shot at the Democratic Nomination. The Republican Forum will be much the same; just substitute the candidates(Rudy for Hillary, McCain for Obama, Romney for Edwards, and then there’s everyone else) and you mostly have the same set-up…. I mean format.

Anyway, I hope most of you, had the chance to see the show. I’m sure CSPAN will re-run or re-broadcast the event this weekend and next weekend. I’m going to go and get ready to watch the NFL draft this weekend….. at least the first 15 minutes just to see how much Al Davis continue to destroy my Oakland Raiders! :cmad:

[TheDeparted]

is it me, or is the most reliable source for news now, Comedy Central?

[Venom'sDad]

LOL.... that is not so far-fetched.

[Spider-Bite]

I think Edwards would have the best chance in a general election, but it's probably going to be Hillary/Obama.

[Mr. Credible]

Cool, Im going to Tivo it.

Rudy is a great guy, and he would make a good president.

i was reading in the paper earlier this week a quote from him, saying (something to the effect of) "if the democrats took over, we would quickly see another 9/11."

that made me so mad i could harldy see straight, considering it was the republicans in charge of the country, and him in charge of NY when "the first" 9/11 happened. that was just a stupid thing to say on his part, and not very well thought out.

[Spider-Bite]

don't forget about the whole "Thank God Bush is President" statement Rudy made on the day of the attacks.

[dpm07]

I liked both Hilary and Obama. Unfortunately, I don't think either can carry the south, and they're going to have to do that in order to win.

I'd vote for Edwards, but I think the US is a bit too conservative for him to win at this time.

[Chris B]

I think Edwards would have the best chance in a general election, but it's probably going to be Hillary/Obama.

I don't see a Hillary/Obama ticket happening. If either one wins the nomination, they'll pick a white guy to be their running mate to balance out the ticket.

[Darth Elektra]

i was reading in the paper earlier this week a quote from him, saying (something to the effect of) "if the democrats took over, we would quickly see another 9/11."

that made me so mad i could harldy see straight, considering it was the republicans in charge of the country, and him in charge of NY when "the first" 9/11 happened. that was just a stupid thing to say on his part, and not very well thought out.

Agreed.

I liked both Hilary and Obama. Unfortunately, I don't think either can carry the south, and they're going to have to do that in order to win.

I'd vote for Edwards, but I think the US is a bit too conservative for him to win at this time.

I like Edwards, and Obama.

I think the democratic candidate will have to carry either Florida or Ohio. New York if Rudy wins the republican nomination.

[Chris B]

Well the Democrat had their first debate forum yesterday on MSNBC. It simply was a forum to re-establish Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee…. and it was successful. Although it’s April 2007 and most people won’t remember the events that have taken place yesterday by February 2008; it’s the moving of money towards the Clinton Campaign and away from the other major Democratic Candidates, that will solidify Hillary as the Democratic Nominee and one more step closer to the White House, for those contributors that have been on the fence or on the Barak Bandwagon. I have stated on several occasions that this is an obvious set up for a Rudy vs. Hillary Election. There are no true candidates here; just the perception that the American people has a choice and a vote.

If there ever was any candidates to get behind that I felt would in some cases resist the forward movement in removing American Sovereignty and ferocious drive toward a softer version of Socialism, but Socialism neither-the-less.; it would have been Obama and Newt. Well, Obama has just proved he’s just a crock… he is done, imo. Newt is part of the Washington Establishment and given his profound understanding of history & trends and strong sense of American sovereignty & innovation, I don’t have much faith in him either. He is yet to declare a bid and much like Obama, would not win anyway; because again, it is a set up for a Rudy vs. Hillary Election…. if you want to call it an election.

All I saw last night was an open interview process for the VP Candidate for the Hillary 2008 Campaign. Basically six candidates positioning themselves for Hillary VP choice and one candidate(Obama who still believe the hype) who think he has a shot at the Democratic Nomination. The Republican Forum will be much the same; just substitute the candidates(Rudy for Hillary, McCain for Obama, Romney for Edwards, and then there’s everyone else) and you mostly have the same set-up…. I mean format.

Anyway, I hope most of you, had the chance to see the show. I’m sure CSPAN will re-run or re-broadcast the event this weekend and next weekend. I’m going to go and get ready to watch the NFL draft this weekend….. at least the first 15 minutes just to see how much Al Davis continue to destroy my Oakland Raiders! :cmad:


I have a hard time seeing either winning their respective nomination. If he decides to run, Fred Thompson will win the Republican nomination. And I still think that either Obama or Edwards will defeat Hillary in the Democratic primaries.

[XpunkRocker]

they all suck imo. i am not sure on obama, he is too new to really be able judge.

i would have prefered mark warner except he decided not to run. i prefer a governor in the white house too. They know more about how to be an executor rather than a senator who is a legeslator

[Venom'sDad]

Hillary easily won the first round of debates amongst the Democratic Candidates, with soft-ball questions address to her, to re-establish her as the Democratic Nominee.

The same will happen tonight, for Rudy, in the first round of debates with the Republican Candidates. Although I think the question will be equally difficult amongst him and Senator McCain.... simply because Rudy can handle it, where as Hillary comes off as testy, shrill, and uncomfortable; it still however, will re-establish him as the front-runner, since McCain has been picking up mometum. A set-up for a Rudy vs Hillary Campaign. If you miss it... I'm pretty sure CSPAN will air a re-run this weekend.




I have a hard time seeing either winning their respective nomination. If he decides to run, Fred Thompson will win the Republican nomination. And I still think that either Obama or Edwards will defeat Hillary in the Democratic primaries. Neither of those candidates you mention will win anything; they are not...how can I say this.... favoured by the true powers that be. Rudy & Hillary appear to offer the country competing approach, but they both are a figure-head controlled by the same string, to continue leading this country to European style socialism. Reagan was this country last true President, for the people, by the people.... and he loss effective power in 1986 to VP Bush.

Thompson and Obama are good people with a good heart that does not line up with the powers that be agenda. Edwards is despirately trying to gain favour with powers to be.... he has long sold-out and blatantly obvious which is why he will be a non-factor. And really, if you pay close enough attention, you can see Mitt Romney following that same path, in order to reach his own ambitions.

There is really no real election... it's a hoax, "wage the dog" style in order to convince those that does not know what time it is, think they have a choice or "say so" to their future.

[hippie_hunter]

http://www.current.tv/pods/supernews/PD06121

[Abaddon]

I think an Obama/Hilary ticket would be interesting. Might not be good, but definitely chin-rub worthy:o

[hippie_hunter]

i was reading in the paper earlier this week a quote from him, saying (something to the effect of) "if the democrats took over, we would quickly see another 9/11."

that made me so mad i could harldy see straight, considering it was the republicans in charge of the country, and him in charge of NY when "the first" 9/11 happened. that was just a stupid thing to say on his part, and not very well thought out.

Agreed.
We shouldn't lie blame on 9/11 on either party. It was al-Qaeda's fault.

They're the ones who did it. And they would have done it no matter who's in charge. I bet that if Al Gore was President, 9/11 would have still happened. I bet that another terrorist attack will occur someday in the future when a Democrat is President. Same said for a Republican President.

Shame on those who use 9/11 as a tactic for campaigning against the other party (mostly Republicans).

[Erzengel]

It is a shame that the Democratic Party are essentially giving the Republicans another 4 year stint in the White House imo.

Hillary and Obama, are novelty candidates. Hillary is in her what 2nd term of Senate, her only real political seat ever. Obama is still a Jr. Senator, regardless of his 7 years in the Illinois Senate.

Obama is charismatic while Hillary, I still think her downfall would be based on two things, her unlikability and we can fool ourselves all we want, while we maybe more "liberal" in the city, a lot of the country is still sexist.

Maybe Obama would be better suited next election.

[Venom'sDad]

Once again, the fix is in. CNN, who controlled the Democrat Debate yesterday and will control the Republican Debate tomorrow, did so with the intent to influence public opinion as to who they deem should be the Democrat Nominee. If one didn’t know better and did not view the debate, than one would be influenced and told by CNN colorful analysts, that Hillary dominated the debate with no threat from the other candidates. If one is just a casual viewer and did tune in and watched the debate, than one was influenced and told by CNN colorful analysts, that Hillary dominated the debate with no threat from the other candidates. If one is a fan or part of the Hillary camp, than you are bathing in the hype of the Clinton Media Machine(CMM).

This exactly what CNN wanted to accomplish, in hosting the debate… to sway public influence for Hillary, not only as the front-runner, but yet again, as the smartest person on the face of the Earth. JFC!!! Give me a break. If one is anything but the above mention, than one saw glaring and painfully obvious intent, in this case, by the Media, to fix and influence the public psyche that Hillary is the best candidate for President of the United States. One will hear from all the networks and print media, “Hillary stayed above the fray”. She was typical Hillary and in her defense had a solid grasp of the issues and well informed, but gave broad answers, to play to the center and had her Socialist views.

What actually happened was Edwards was surprisingly good and for a brief moment, looked Presidential. Being statistically a third place candidate, the media is right with their assessment, that he had to make run and attack Hillary and Obama perceived weakness, in order to not only close the widen gap, but to ensure support from donors pass September’s Labor Day Benchmark. Edwards was shockingly effective and without a doubt, his best performance to date. Neither-the-less, he is still a non-factor and really should not be considered one of the top three for the DP Nomination. It is my belief the media is hyping him as such to take attention away from the candidate that truly has the gravitas, experience, and pose a real threat to Hillary’s presidential campaign, Joseph Biden. He really should be considered as one of the top three. Edwards is just a pretty face, and really has no chance or experience in politics, period….. reasons why he loss his Senate seat before on full term.

Joseph Biden was purposely muted. Wolf Blitzer went to him purposely less and less frequent as time rolled on, cementing his campaign as a second tier candidate. It is blatantly obvious what is going on here, that even the casual view should be able to see. However, because of Americans are apathetic towards Washington D.C., the Presidential Campaign, and politics in general, the Media Networks(CNN, Fox, and MSNBC in particular) and Print Media know they can get away with their blatant attempts at guiding and influencing American politics. When Joe Biden actually did get a chance to speak, he spoke with knowledge and authority on the issue at hand and explained essentially well how the top tier candidates are blowing smoke up arse of the American people.

One example: All the top tier candidates, in particular Hillary, have said when they become President, they will immediately bring the troops home. Biden intelligently explain that none of these candidates can do that because they would not have the votes in the Senate to pass a bill that will allow the troops to come home. One need a two/thirds(2/3), 67 votes majority to pass that bill. The Senate is divide 50 Democrat, 49 Republican, and 1 Independent(Lieberman). It’s not going to happen. Regardless of what side of the fence one is on, both sides want to maintain a military foothold in that region. They act like they are divided on the issue, but it is a “Wag the Dog” scenario.

Biden hit hard and truthfully, but ever so brief because he kept getting muted, on other issues such as funding the troops, Darfur immigration, tax reform, and Universal Health Care, while Obama, Hillary and Edwards had all the time in the world, to get their points across . If Biden ever got the media attention he deserves, he would be a major threat to Hillary’s campaign…. a lot more than Obama is. Yet, no one really know that Biden is running. Richardson buried himself and the remaining candidates, minus Obama, are dead although they may have made one or two great points. They where just as well muted like Biden, but no one wanted to hear from them anyway. Biden has been successfully outed by the media. Biden when he had a chance to speak was very informative in the ways of Washington, politics, procedural steps taken, and what can be done and what couldn't.

Obama, IMHO, won the debate hands down. The media will not report this. They will spin it as Hillary “dominated” or “stayed above the fray“, “is the front-runner“. Obama looked more Presidential then anyone, very engaging and easily connected with the people, much like Bill Clinton dare I say, very commanding, very informative and possess unique grasp of the issues, and by far his best performance yet. However as great as he was, Obama will never be able to pass and defeat the Clinton Machine(CMM). He want even get Vice-President. Obama, Fred Thompson(should he get in), and maybe Newt(should he get in) are the best candidates for president imo; yet, neither one has a chance to come close to winning. I hate to say this and don’t mean to insult any African Americans, but if Obama was not considered predominately African American and Hillary was not running, he would win in a landslide much like Bill Clinton in 96, because he is so Clinton-est. This is my honest opinion and wish not to offend anyone, just speaking to climate of American politics. Although many of you probably have no problem with who Obama is, the fact of the matter is, many American do…. much like their prejudices against Romney’s Mormon background. I could care less either way.

Obama is the best chance of anyone defeating Hillary for the Democrat Nomination and Rudy G. is the best chance at beating her in the General election…. and that’s not saying much. Although Rudy is great with security issues and crime, to accomplish his goals means, more loss of out inherit freedoms… which means, again, a Socialist Agenda, which is what most Americans want. This why I have said time and time again, this election is being set-up between two Socialist Candidates, Rudy vs. Hillary. Either way, we will get the Socialist Agenda. It is my belief that CNN, Tuesday will play the Republican like second tier candidates like MSNBC did, because of their more Liberal stance. Fox played the Republicans debates like they where the best qualified and if Fox ever host a Democrat debate, they will play the much like what MSNBC did to the Republicans and possibly how CNN will do to them tomorrow. It’s all spin, it’s all “Wag the Dog”.

[Spider-Bite]

Someone watches C-Span?


:oldrazz:

I used to watch it all the time :csad: Okay I'm a dork. But aren't we all? Isn't the shh a place for dorks to unite and come together in our common dorkiness?

[Spider-Bite]

We shouldn't lie blame on 9/11 on either party. It was al-Qaeda's fault.

They're the ones who did it. And they would have done it no matter who's in charge. I bet that if Al Gore was President, 9/11 would have still happened. I bet that another terrorist attack will occur someday in the future when a Democrat is President. Same said for a Republican President.

Shame on those who use 9/11 as a tactic for campaigning against the other party (mostly Republicans).

Your post is very true and accurate. It wouldn't have mattered who was president.

[Calvin]

don't forget about the whole "Thank God Bush is President" statement Rudy made on the day of the attacks.

Just ran across a pretty decent article related to that yesterday: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/14952564/giuliani_worse_than_bush

[hippie_hunter]

I used to watch it all the time :csad: Okay I'm a dork. But aren't we all? Isn't the shh a place for dorks to unite and come together in our common dorkiness?

But isn't it for comic book movie dorkiness not political dorkiness :dry:

[Venom'sDad]

Just ran across a pretty decent article related to that yesterday: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/14952564/giuliani_worse_than_bush

Thank you for posting that article Calvin, it supports what I've been saying for the longest about Rudy G. and the fact that we are going to get an election between two Socialist, Rudy vs Hillary. People love Rudy just as much as those that love Hillary. The majority of Americans want a Socialist society... and that's exactly what America is going to get. In 2004, it really didn't matter who won the election because both Bush & Kerry are not only Shulls n Bones, but they are Socialist as well. Both have policies to retract and suspend parts of the U.S. Constitution while implementing Internation Law above U.S. Sovereignty. 2000 Bush/Gore was the same, as well as 1992 Bush Sr./Clinton. Sorry to say, but Ronald Reagan was the last true American President, for the people, by the people... and he loss power in 1986 when VP Bush Sr. took over as Reagan just simply finish out his term.So it has been a trend the last few elections, that the American people really don't have a vote. We're being force to decide between to evils.

[Spider-Nerd]

Agreed.

I think the democratic candidate will have to carry either Florida or Ohio. New York if Rudy wins the republican nomination.

Just like the last election, it will come down to PA, Ohio, and FL. Whichever candidate is able to carry two of those three states will win the election.

[Venom'sDad]

I have a hard time seeing either winning their respective nomination. If he decides to run, Fred Thompson will win the Republican nomination. And I still think that either Obama or Edwards will defeat Hillary in the Democratic primaries.

I like your optimism that either Obama or Edwards could defeat Hillary, but that just not going to happen. The Clinton Media Machine(CMM) is huge and powerful.... they will not allow anyone to challenge her until the General Election. She can not win a General Election because most of the country population are conservative, and they hate and fear her with a passion. They will elect another Socialist like Rudy G. before allowinf Hillary to win. Which is why both parties are pandering to the Hispanic vote, because they alone can tilt the balance. That is also another reason why the CMM is manufacturing hype about Fred Thompson.... they are trying to use him to split the Republican Party. Much like how Ross Perot split the Republican Party in 1992.... otherwise Bush Sr. would have won in a landslide. Clinton Beat Bush Sr. by 1%. Perot got 20% of the vote, which in turn, more than 75% of those that voted for Perot, would have solidly been in the Bush Sr. camp. They are using the same tricks to sneek Hillary into office. Fred Thompson could never win a General Election... that's BS if anyone believe he could. It's sad to say but The Republican is going to get another 8 years in office under Rudy G. I like Thompson, but he can't win, it's a farce/sham.

[Venom'sDad]

OMG hillary is a f***ing idiot... and many of you really seriously believe she's qualified! OMG! Did anyone see the MSNBC Democrats Debate. OMG... she is a joke. I for one hate to give Rudy credit, but she is not qualified to do anything, yet alone, be President of the United States. She never ran anything and obviously have not a clue how to manage fiscal or economic policy; yet alone, have in principles to stand on... but says she is best qualified because she lived 8 years in the White House with Rev. Bill who likes to lay-hands on his congregation...uh huh, I mean... constituents.

She wants to give Illegals DRIVERS LICENSE.... OMG if she not inviting terrorist to board another aircraft... Illegals are already breaking U.S. Immigration Law, and she as a President, wants to reward them by giving them DL at no consequence. OMFG! She have the nerve to say Obama is naieve. And how in the F*** can she say anything negative or critical about Bush, when as Edwards so elequintly pointed out, recently supported a bill that give Bush/Channey everything they want in the march forward, on the War on Terror... including invading Iran, which everyone know is coming and what I have been saying since late 2005.

This is the very reason why Democrat will lose the General Election, because the only reason she is the front-runner has NOTHING to do with substance, but everything with the Clinton NAME.

Can you say President Rudy? :(

Democrats better pick someone truely qualified, because you are not going to win the White House with hillary. Her name alone divides the country. Dodd was right on. :up:

[hippie_hunter]

I'd rather have President Ron Paul, but I'd be very pleased if we get President Rudy Giuliani over President Hillary Clinton. Frankly, I'd rather have anyone over Clinton.

John Edwards describes her perfectly, she's in this for personal ambition. She used her husband's last name and ran for Senate in a state where a Democrat can win with a lot of ease to build up her Presidential campaign. She's abused New York State for her ambition. She abused the state in 2006 during the Senate campaign by basically using it as a Presidential fundraiser. And she's really done nothing important at all in the Senate IMO.

And for all the polls that state that Clinton is popular in New York State (particularly among Republicans and Upstate) I'm rather skeptical because I have never even MET a person who thinks of her fondly.

[Sandman138]

I think the democratic candidate will have to carry either Florida or Ohio. New York if Rudy wins the republican nomination.

There are a lot of people in New York that hate Rudy.

[Sandman138]

I'd rather have President Ron Paul, but I'd be very pleased if we get President Rudy Giuliani over President Hillary Clinton. Frankly, I'd rather have anyone over Clinton.

I'm so scared of a race between Rudy and Hillary. Rudy is a real fascist. People always talk about 9/11, but I'll always remember Abner Louima and all the other **** Rudy let the cops get away with under his watch. The way he talks about homeland security scares the **** out of me. I'd hate to have to vote for Hillary, I really would. It's got nothing to do with her being opportunistic, it's got everything to do with not liking the idea of the last four presidents in office being from the same two families. I seriously doubt that we would see any real change in the direction of this country. Listening to her speak, all I hear is the familiar sound of triangulation and the common wisdom of a buncha old white men that has blundered in Iran, Afganistan, and the rest of the Middle East for the better part of the past century. God, 2008 is gonna suck.:csad:

I do wish we had a mayor of New York running for president, I just wish it was Bloomberg, but I don't see him running anytime soon.

[Venom'sDad]

I'm so scared of a race between Rudy and Hillary. Rudy is a real fascist.

....and you think hillary is not? Open your eyes. She is more a fasist socialist, than any of all the candidates. That's why she will not become President, because Rudy is better at disguising it. America is following the European model.... and most of America desire that model. That's why most don't care that this election will come down to Rudy/hillary... two members of the Socialist Elite.

Think about it.... America have not had a true American President, of the people and by the people, since Ronald Wilson Reagan.

[rdh007]

I'm so scared of a race between Rudy and Hillary. Rudy is a real fascist. People always talk about 9/11, but I'll always remember Abner Louima and all the other **** Rudy let the cops get away with under his watch. The way he talks about homeland security scares the **** out of me. I'd hate to have to vote for Hillary, I really would. It's got nothing to do with her being opportunistic, it's got everything to do with not liking the idea of the last four presidents in office being from the same two families. I seriously doubt that we would see any real change in the direction of this country. Listening to her speak, all I hear is the familiar sound of triangulation and the common wisdom of a buncha old white men that has blundered in Iran, Afganistan, and the rest of the Middle East for the better part of the past century. God, 2008 is gonna suck.:csad:

I do wish we had a mayor of New York running for president, I just wish it was Bloomberg, but I don't see him running anytime soon.
^Beware, there be truth above

[SuperMonkey]

....and you think hillary is not? Open your eyes. She is more a fasist socialist, than any of all the candidates. That's why she will not become President, because Rudy is better at disguising it. America is following the European model.... and most of America desire that model. That's why most don't care that this election will come down to Rudy/hillary... two members of the Socialist Elite.

Think about it.... America have not had a true American President, of the people and by the people, since Ronald Wilson Reagan.
Oh,... oh, you scare me. :csad:

[SuperMonkey]

lmao at the look on her face when the other candidates exposed the countless contradictions and lies. :)

[Excel]

The most qualified person cannot even run for office.

Arnold.

[Sandman138]

....and you think hillary is not? Open your eyes. She is more a fasist socialist, than any of all the candidates. That's why she will not become President, because Rudy is better at disguising it. America is following the European model.... and most of America desire that model. That's why most don't care that this election will come down to Rudy/hillary... two members of the Socialist Elite.

Where did I say that I was gung-ho for Hillary? Where? I said I hate both of them, and am deathly afraid that I'm going to have to vote for one or the other, instead of someone who can actually fix the mess we've gotten ourselves into. If it comes down to it Hillary vs. Rudy, I'll vote for Hillary, but I won't sleep well that night.

Think about it.... America have not had a true American President, of the people and by the people, since Ronald Wilson Reagan.

:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:

oh... you were serious?

:whatever:

Reagan put us in monumental debt to fund a lot of reckless defense spending that never panned out, SMD is still not practical and we're still wasting money on it. His contributions to the War on Drugs have helped to make it the growing failure and economic burden that is overfilling our prisons with non-violent offenders as we speak. He gave speeches about how "government is not the solution, government is the problem" while routinely increasing spending and government size and power. Oh, and let us not forget Iran-Contra and the training and support his administration gave to those nice mujahideen fighters in Afganistan. To quote the man himself: "To watch the courageous Afghan freedom fighters battle modern arsenals with simple hand-held weapons is an inspiration to those who love freedom. Their courage teaches us a great lesson—that there are things in this world worth defending. To the Afghan people, I say on behalf of all Americans that we admire your heroism, your devotion to freedom, and your relentless struggle against your oppressors"... we all know how that panned out. Reagan was a terrible republican, and a terrible president, but he had could charm you till you saw nothing but roses, and people loved him for it. This is, of course why both Bush presidencies have tried to emulate him, but without his acting ability, you can see through them and realize that the policies suck, just like they sucked when Reagan was in office.

[cookiva]

Kucinich, then Edwards, then Richardson.

Granted, I know that Kuchinich is a pipe dream. Edwards, though, is the best CANDIDATE.

[hippie_hunter]

South Carolina Democrats are a bunch of pricks IMO. Not only have they rejected Colbert, they also rejected actual serious candidates like Kucinich and Gravel.

[Sandman138]

lame

[cookiva]

Where do you guys get your political news from? Im trying to watch the news, but local is horrific (Dallas, Texas). CNN is rarely good for a decent report. MSNBC at night (the only time I really watch TV) only has Predator and Inmates. First to say Fox News is banned.

[hippie_hunter]

Colbert not running on the ballot because the Democrats won't let him was downright confirmed on the Colbert Report. Personally, I think that Colbert had the potential to actually influence the outcome of South Carolina's primaries and that's the major reason why they turned him down.

As for the rest of my political news, I like to read CNN's Political Ticker, that's how I found out that South Carolina's Democrats decided not to run Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

[Sandman138]

Where do you guys get your political news from? Im trying to watch the news, but local is horrific (Dallas, Texas). CNN is rarely good for a decent report. MSNBC at night (the only time I really watch TV) only has Predator and Inmates. First to say Fox News is banned.

CSPAN, The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, the blogoshpere.

[cookiva]

But in one of the blog posts, it says that Gravel and Kucinich are still running in SC.

[cookiva]

God, watching Hardball, I realize how much I honestly cant stand Hillary. I'm honestly more worried about her for president than many of the republicans.

[Matt]

Wait, what is the reasoning the Democrats are giving for Colbert not being allowed to run? Simply because they don't want him? If he fulfilled the requirements, then doesn't that sort of undermind the entire democracy aspect?

Colbert should go on a hard core write in campaign. He should double the advertisment of any other candidate and just raise hell and run a real campaign simply to piss people off.

[Mr Sparkle]

Im a big fan of MSNBC.

Im a big fan of MSNBC.

wow he really is.

[Mister Sinister]

Wait, what is the reasoning the Democrats are giving for Colbert not being allowed to run?

Apparently he wasn't taking it seriously enough.

[cookiva]

Now I am going to write in Colbert, just to piss everyone off.

[Venom'sDad]

With all the BS that hillary have been spewing, I'm shocked that no one here on the Hype is discussing her flip-flopping lack of principle. :wow: Wow! If it had been Obama, Edwards, or Romney, there would have been two or three threads on it with a poll, and about 200 replys on each thread by now. I smell alot of closet supporters of the hillary express trying to keep silent her blatant inexperience; better yet, qualification for being President of the United States. She is such a fod...... just blow with the wind. :dry:

[Excel]

there has been; her lead in the polls nosedived like 6 points in about a week.

[SoulManX]

Ron Paul supporter:word:

[Venom'sDad]

there has been; her lead in the polls nosedived like 6 points in about a week.
Talking about on the Hype Excel.... the community on the Hype has conveniently been mums, on her flip-flopping, lack of principle, lack of experience and knowledge of situations, attempts to play both sides of an issue, avoidance to answer questions until she has ample amount time to poll and and prepare an answer.... etc.

If it had been any other candidate I mention previously.... well we know how the closet supporters of the hillary express, here on the Hype, would be ridiculing those other particular candidates. Many here would point out eagerly, very miniscule items about these other candidates; but are very reluctant to discuss revalent issues about hillary.

[ShadowBoxing]

Wait, what is the reasoning the Democrats are giving for Colbert not being allowed to run? Simply because they don't want him? If he fulfilled the requirements, then doesn't that sort of undermind the entire democracy aspect?

Quite simply, he didn't. He was running as a goof, not actually trying to become President. You actually have to be running for the office of President to get on the ballot, he isn't. He is running in one state, and by his own admission, not actively seeking the office.

Frankly, though, I think Colbert realized how much a committment legally and financially it was and decided to back out himself...albeit in a quiet fashion.

[Venom'sDad]

Distracting from the issue. :whatever: LOL...

[Matt]

Quite simply, he didn't. He was running as a goof, not actually trying to become President. You actually have to be running for the office of President to get on the ballot, he isn't. He is running in one state, and by his own admission, not actively seeking the office.

Frankly, though, I think Colbert realized how much a committment legally and financially it was and decided to back out himself...albeit in a quiet fashion.

Thats ridiculous. Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul both know they have no chance of winning the presidency. They are hoping to get enough delegates to change policy. No where on the requirements does it say you have to run in multilple states. No where does it say you have to intend to win.

[hippie_hunter]

Wait, what is the reasoning the Democrats are giving for Colbert not being allowed to run? Simply because they don't want him? If he fulfilled the requirements, then doesn't that sort of undermind the entire democracy aspect?

Colbert should go on a hard core write in campaign. He should double the advertisment of any other candidate and just raise hell and run a real campaign simply to piss people off.

There are reports that major Obama supporters pressured the Democrats to not run Colbert, fearing that he would be the one most affected.

[ShadowBoxing]

Thats ridiculous. Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul both know they have no chance of winning the presidency. They are hoping to get enough delegates to change policy. No where on the requirements does it say you have to run in multilple states. No where does it say you have to intend to win.
So what? That's not the requirement. The requirement is that you be "actively seeking the Office of the President". Colbert, by his own admission, isn't. You can say Ron Paul, and Kucinich doubt their own chances but they have never publically stated "I am not running to become President" (which Colbert did).

[SoulManX]

So what? That's not the requirement. The requirement is that you be "actively seeking the Office of the President". Colbert, by his own admission, isn't. You can say Ron Paul, and Kucinich doubt their own chances but they have never publically stated "I am not running to become President" (which Colbert did).

:up:

[Matt]

So what? That's not the requirement. The requirement is that you be "actively seeking the Office of the President". Colbert, by his own admission, isn't. You can say Ron Paul, and Kucinich doubt their own chances but they have never publically stated "I am not running to become President" (which Colbert did).

No, it doesn't say you have to actively be seeking the office. Also, he is running for president in one state. That is, actively seeking. Its not up to the Democratic or Republican committee to decide who can and cannot run.

[ShadowBoxing]

No, it doesn't say you have to actively be seeking the office.

To be placed on the South Carolina ballot a candidate must demonstrate national viability as well as campaign in the state...
"He does not appear to be campaigning to win if he is only running in one state," she said.

Also, he is running for president in one state. That is, actively seeking.
No it isn't. He said so himself.
"Now I want to make this perfectly clear to everyone. I DO NOT want to be president. I just want to run. I don't want the actual job."

Its not up to the Democratic or Republican committee to decide who can and cannot run.
Yes, actually, it is. You wouldn't have to pay to get on the ballot and go through committee if it wasn't. Why should I let him run? To goof on everyone? So he can make my state look like it thinks the Presidency is a stand up comedy routine? Or maybe so he can take votes away from...ya know...the serious candidates who actually WANT THE JOB?

[Venom'sDad]

With all the BS that hillary have been spewing, I'm shocked that no one here on the Hype is discussing her flip-flopping lack of principle. :wow: Wow! If it had been Obama, Edwards, or Romney, there would have been two or three threads on it with a poll, and about 200 replys on each thread by now. I smell alot of closet supporters of the hillary express trying to keep silent her blatant inexperience; better yet, qualification for being President of the United States. She is such a fod...... just blow with the wind. :dry:

Talking about on the Hype Excel.... the community on the Hype has conveniently been mums, on her flip-flopping, lack of principle, lack of experience and knowledge of situations, attempts to play both sides of an issue, avoidance to answer questions until she has ample amount time to poll and and prepare an answer.... etc.

If it had been any other candidate I mention previously.... well we know how the closet supporters of the hillary express, here on the Hype, would be ridiculing those other particular candidates. Many here would point out eagerly, very miniscule items about these other candidates; but are very reluctant to discuss revalent issues about hillary.

....and watch how she will skirt the issues tomorrow night...... at least try to.

[Matt]

Or maybe because it is his right as an American-born citizen over the age of 35 like the constitution guarantees.

[ShadowBoxing]

Hillary, actually, is probably the most experiences. No other candidate can run for President on the basis of actually having proven White House experience except for her.

[ShadowBoxing]

Or maybe because it is his right as an American-born citizen over the age of 35 like the constitution guarantees.
Primaries are organized by the states and parties involved, and it's perfectly within their rights to determine who is on the ballot.

[Matt]

Hillary, actually, is probably the most experiences. No other candidate can run for President on the basis of actually having proven White House experience except for her.

I'd argue Richardson is more experienced. Aside from serving in Bill Clinton's cabinet, he also has gubernatorial experience.

[Matt]

Primaries are organized by the states, and it's perfectly within their rights to determine who is on the ballot.

You're right there, but it also shows how tainted the entire party system is.

[Venom'sDad]

Yeah.....LOL :whatever: Shadow. :dry:

[ShadowBoxing]

You're right there, but it also shows how tainted the entire party system is.
Not really. This was absolutely a good call on their part.

[Venom'sDad]

Let us all count on our fingers & toes, how many softball questions hillary recieves, since now she has informed, or should I say warned, Wolf Blitzer to watch his line of questioning her. "Don't pull a Russert, I'm a girl in the mist of the Good Ole Boys Club!" She is the most unqualified of the candidates.

Oh wait.... I forgot, she lived in the White House as 1st Lady. :dry:

[Excel]

who is joe biden and why was he so accurate???

btw check hilarys demonic laugh...

[Mr Sparkle]

Bill Richardson won't win. :(
and Obama is not ready yet, the sad thing is that he wanted to just focus on issues and he was not afforded the luxury by the environment.

[Excel]

obama is owning this crowd though; little early. his view on china such a no brainer that it made everybody else look stupid.

[ShadowBoxing]

Presidents should be both idealistic and Machiavellian, Obama lacks the latter in spades.

[Venom'sDad]

Trying to look at the Chargers/Titans Game; but I was just informed by a good friend of mine that the replay of both the ABC News Demos & Repubs NH Debates will be played on CNN right now, for those interested or missed it in your areas. Also, the New NH Repubs Debates at 8pm ET/7pm CT on FoxNews.

[Venom'sDad]

Jesus Christ!!! PLEASE yank Bill Richardson out of these debates, he is a useless sack of slush and is far from being viable in these debates. :(

[Venom'sDad]

Just found out that the Repubs are debating as I speak in South Carolina on FoxNews. Suggest many to check it out. ;)

[hippie_hunter]

I'm watching it and god damn I f**king can't stand Romney. What a douche.

[Venom'sDad]

For those interested, not that it really matters at this point, given I'm pretty sure most have made up their minds..... the Nevada Demo's debate will be on MSNBC 2nite @ 9et/8ct/7mt/6pt.

:dry:

[cookiva]

God, more and more I hear Edwards I want him in the White House.

He really wants America to be better. Others dont seem as if they love America as much as he does.

[Venom'sDad]

Sorry guys, just realize that the Republican Debate is on, as I speak, MSNBC(Russert & Williams)

[Venom'sDad]

The CNN Republican Debate is !!!BUNK!!! They(Anderson Cooper) has completely, effectively, and purposely disregard and ignore Huckabee and Paul from these debates. It is very disappointing, watching how in this particular debate, CNN is influencing the voting populus, this is a race between two candidates. They should have nevered invited Huckabee and Paul, given that they never really participated tonight.

This is the very reason why a Third party will never seriously, take root in American politics... the Media will not allow it and we give the American Media way to much credence and allow them to have way to much influence because of our own apathy.

:(

[hippie_hunter]

The CNN Republican Debate is !!!BUNK!!! They(Anderson Cooper) has completely, effectively, and purposely disregard and ignore Huckabee and Paul from these debates. It is very disappointing, watching how in this particular debate, CNN is influencing the voting populus, this is a race between two candidates. They should have nevered invited Huckabee and Paul, given that they never really participated tonight.
I agree that it's not fair, but we have to be realistic now. Huckabee's done now since he lost South Carolina and Paul never fully took off to begin with. They were simply there because they're names are on the ballots pretty much everywhere.

It's a two-man race and it should be treated as such now.

This is the very reason why a Third party will never seriously, take root in American politics... the Media will not allow it and we give the American Media way to much credence and allow them to have way to much influence because of our own apathy.

:(
A third party can be taken seriously if the people took more serious action and if the third party had the cash (i.e. Bloomberg).

[Venom'sDad]

WOW! In the first round of this debate between Obama & hillary, I've already counted 3 flip-flops by hillary... I guess following the polls and finger is in the air to test the wind.

2 flip-flops on Universal Health Care and 1 on Immigration.

On UHC, for the first time she is repeating Obama's plan... I guess to score points. She is now saying she will allow those up to age 25 to be under their parents plan, because, as Obama said earlier, the young adult generally don't want it because they feel they are healthy and don't need it. That is new, from her, she being saying up to 21 and only if they are being carried on their parents tax, for example, college students.

Second on how she are going to pay for it. She is now adopting Obama's plan to use some of the money that will be saved for savings account on preventive care and money saved from the cost of the war.

On Immigration She was for States Drivers Licenses... she was for it, than against it. Once the heat died down, she said in Nevada, she was for it, now she is against it again in California. Obama has been stead fast on supporting it, which take guts. He gave the reason why, dealing with IDing, locating, and safety issues, which he says if he can get his Immigration bill pass, there won't be a need for it. They both said secure the border first and penalize those already here... I don't believe either Party on securing the border. By law, according to the NAFTA & CAFTA agreements(treaties), America can not close the border. No Country can under that agreement. That's why Immigration and the border has been ignored and nothing done about it. America can't. You can thank Clinton(Nafta) & Bush(Cafta)

They only enforce border control on those people from countries that are not part of the agreement... such as Middle Eastern countries, Asian countries, African & European Nations and some Caribbean countries.

[The Senator]

Drivers Licenses for Illegals

When Obama was presented with the same question two weeks later at a debate, he couldn't come up with an answer. First he said "Yes, I support the idea," then said "No, I don't think I like it," drawing immense laughter from the audience considering he slammed Hillary for a week over the issue.

Universal Health Care

Hillary and Obama's health care plans are the same, with one exception: Hillary's plan would cover everyone. The reason why it sounded like she was supporting Obama's plan was because her plan is 95% identical to his, with that notable exception.

In terms of payment... she never issued a statement clearly stating how she would pay for it. In a stump speech I witnessed here in October, she mentioned taking funds which went to the war effort to cover her plan. Later, she mentioned taxing the wealthy and using those taxes to pay for it. She has been in favor of both methods.

[Venom'sDad]

The Texas CNN Democrat Debate is on right now, for those interested, tune in.

[Venom'sDad]

For those that may be interested.... The ABC Democrat Debate with Obama/billary is tonight at 8pm et / 7pm ct and so on.
















Yes, they're still debating after the Nth time. :rolleyes: