Gi Joe

[Still A ThorFan]

I just read at IESB that Mark Whalberg is going to play Duke in the GI Joe movie, good news. Now they have to get Vin Diesel to play Destro and Angelina Joelie to play the Baroness!

[jrpstarwars]

I just read at IESB that Mark Whalberg is going to play Duke in the GI Joe movie, good news. Now they have to get Vin Diesel to play Destro and Angelina Joelie to play the Baroness!

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!:c mad:

[jrpstarwars]

Here is my choice for Snake Eyes

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/13/phoenix_narrowweb__200x275.jpg

He is one of the few actors in Hollywood who could pull off a silent role well.

[Hunter Rider]

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/770/770208p1.html

G.I. Joe Gearing Up For Deployment
And who does the producer want to play Duke?
by Stax (ff_mail@ign.com)

US, March 5, 2007 - Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura revealed during this past weekend's press junket for his new film Shooter that the long-in-development, live-action movie version of G.I. Joe will be his next project after Transformers.

Di Bonaventura also informed IESB.net of the star he has in mind for the lead role of Duke, the Joes' second-in-command and leader in the field: none other than Shooter star Mark Wahlberg.

Wahlberg and di Bonaventura also teamed up for Four Brothers. The screenwriters of that film -- David Elliot and Paul Lovett -- have also penned a draft of the Joe script.

IESB later asked Wahlberg if he'd be willing to star in G.I. Joe and the Oscar nominee expressed interest.

"You know what, I'll do whatever Lorenzo wants me to do; it really depends on the script, obviously, but it's a cool idea. He says it's going to be kick ass, so yeah," Wahlberg said. "But he's already putting that out there, so who knows. He knows how to get me to say 'yes.'"

The site also claims that the film's plot will follow the rise of Cobra Commander before the formation of Cobra Command.

[Still A ThorFan]

Steve Austin could play Gung-Ho. I don't think this movie should be too hard to cast. But of course they'll do it wrong.

[Timstuff]

Here is my choice for Snake Eyes

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/13/phoenix_narrowweb__200x275.jpg

He is one of the few actors in Hollywood who could pull off a silent role well.

No way, Tony Jaa FTW!

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/10/20/Ong_051020042559526_wideweb__300x375.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

Here is my choice for Snake Eyes

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/13/phoenix_narrowweb__200x275.jpg

He is one of the few actors in Hollywood who could pull off a silent role well.
Except this isn't just a silent role, it's a faceless role; meaning you don't pay actors of his caliber (thus wasting your money) to have him play that part. Furthermore, while I like Joaquine Phoenix, he is neither a martial artist nor a stunt man which is far more important to the role than his ability to act. Ray Park (Darth Maul) has already proved himself quiet capable of a silent role and is a stunt man. You don't need to look much further than that.

[co2]

Yeah, Ray Park as Snake Eyes is pretty much a given. That guy would be a geek god. Hell, he already has Star Wars and X-fans, now if he added G.I. Joe to the list?! He'd be the most popular guy on the convention floor.
I never pictured Whalberg as Duke but he's not a bad choice I guess. I just don't know if he comes off as authoratative enough to be a commander.

[The Shredder]

I never pictured Whalberg as Duke but he's not a bad choice I guess. I just don't know if he comes off as authoratative enough to be a commander.

If he plays Duke akin to his role in The Departed, then I can see it. Obviously it would be a much different Duke than the one seen in the 80's cartoon and the Marvel comics, but I don't think he would be a particular bad choice.

Ray Park as Snake Eyes? :up:

[X-Ray]

Steve Austin could play Gung-Ho. I don't think this movie should be too hard to cast. But of course they'll do it wrong.

Hahaha ... that one might actually work.

[jrpstarwars]

So here is what we have/want so far:

DUKE: Mark Wahlberg (NAY)
I agree with co2. I was having trouble picturing him as Duke but didn't know why. He hit the nail on the head, I can't picture him in an authoritive role either. I'd have know problem with him in the movie, it would kind of work, just not as Duke. Plus he is only 5'7", I always pictured Duke as closer to 6'0"

SNAKE EYES: JOAQUIN PHOENIX/RAY PARK(NAY/NAY)
ShadowBoxing is right, if Snake Eyes remains under the mask Joaquin is a stupid choice. I kind of felt he would be unmasked in a live movie. Don't be surprised if he does go maskless. True Joaquin is not a martial arts guy but how into martial arts was Keanu Reeves before 'The Matrix' or Wesley Snipes before 'Blade?'

Ray Park is a viable option but I would explore some others first. Plus, he may feel if he does this he is going to be permanently type cast in comic book type movies. No actor wants that.

GUNG HO: STEVE AUSTIN(YAY)
Uh... that one right on the money. Gung Ho was the one character I coudn't cast in my personal casting choices. The best I could come up with was a buffed up Will Farrell. The problem is that I think he may have a contract with WWE Films.

[Still A ThorFan]

DESTRO=Vin Diesel!!

[jrpstarwars]

DESTRO=Vin Diesel!!

DESTRO:Vin Diesel(NAY)
If they can't get anyone else of quality then go ahead. But I happen to think Powers Boothe is the perfect choice.
http://www.kingmovie.de/darsteller/b/pics/powers_boothe.jpg

[Timstuff]

I'm telling ya, Tony Jaa should play Snake Eyes! I don't think he speaks much english but that's okay, since Snake Eyes is mute anyway. He kicked so much @$$ in The Protector, imagine him doing all that with a Ninja sword!

Ray Park wouldn't be bad either.

[3dman27]

lady jaye jenifer garner[one "lady j" portraying another]

[ShadowBoxing]

SNAKE EYES: JOAQUIN PHOENIX/RAY PARK(NAY/NAY)
ShadowBoxing is right, if Snake Eyes remains under the mask Joaquin is a stupid choice. I kind of felt he would be unmasked in a live movie. Don't be surprised if he does go maskless. True Joaquin is not a martial arts guy but how into martial arts was Keanu Reeves before 'The Matrix' or Wesley Snipes before 'Blade?'

Hugely. Both were about third degree black belts in martial arts, Snipes, for example, had been taking Kung Fu since he was like 8 or 9.

[The Question]

Except this isn't just a silent role, it's a faceless role; meaning you don't pay actors of his caliber (thus wasting your money) to have him play that part. Furthermore, while I like Joaquine Phoenix, he is neither a martial artist nor a stunt man which is far more important to the role than his ability to act. Ray Park (Darth Maul) has already proved himself quiet capable of a silent role and is a stunt man. You don't need to look much further than that.

It wouldn't be wasting your money to get a talanted actor. You need a talanted actor to pull Snake-Eyes off. It takes a truely supurb actor to play a part without speaking and without showing your face well.

[ShadowBoxing]

It wouldn't be wasting your money to get a talanted actor. You need a talanted actor to pull Snake-Eyes off. It takes a truely supurb actor to play a part without speaking and without showing your face well.
No you wouldn't. You may think it's incredibly important and necessary but it isn't. All he has to do is stand there and act stoic, be bada$$ when the script calls for it...not a meaty role.

[Ironfan72]

Gary Oldman for Cobra Commander!

[Prognosticator]

I just read at IESB that Mark Whalberg is going to play Duke in the GI Joe movie, good news. Now they have to get Vin Diesel to play Destro and Angelina Joelie to play the Baroness!

this is a joke, right? why would anyone want Vin Diesel to play anything in any movie???

[ghosthorse]

They a new GI Joe move.

I did know that was a move.

[jrpstarwars]

It wouldn't be wasting your money to get a talanted actor. You need a talanted actor to pull Snake-Eyes off. It takes a truely supurb actor to play a part without speaking and without showing your face well.


EXACTLY. Which is why I say Joaquin Phoenix. Further, we all know there is going to be 'alteration' to GI Joe in a movie. Why not have Snake Eyes without his mask in non action/combt scenes? That is honestly how it should be. You really think a guy(SNake Eyes) who is in the most elite special forces unit in the world is shy about showing his face to his comrades??? And uh... he can't wear the mask 24/7.:ninja:

[Timstuff]

Joaquine Phoenix has no martial arts training to my knowledge. That's the main reason why an actor like Tony Jaa or Ray Park would be vastly preferable to me. Also, I don't think Joaquine Phoenix has the kind of look I'd want for Snake Eyes.

[the_ultimate_evil]

Hugely. Both were about third degree black belts in martial arts, Snipes, for example, had been taking Kung Fu since he was like 8 or 9.

hmm i knew snipes was, but i didnt know reeves, i remember him saying in interviews after the matrix was released that he couldnt remember any of the stuff the master who was training them had taught him

[jrpstarwars]

hmm i knew snipes was, but i didnt know reeves, i remember him saying in interviews after the matrix was released that he couldnt remember any of the stuff the master who was training them had taught him

How about KEANU REEVES as Snake Eyes. He was one of my choices prior to Phoenix.

[The Question]

No you wouldn't. You may think it's incredibly important and necessary but it isn't. All he has to do is stand there and act stoic, be bada$$ when the script calls for it...not a meaty role.

I disagree very strongly.

[Timstuff]

How about KEANU REEVES as Snake Eyes. He was one of my choices prior to Phoenix.

LOL, are you kidding me? :o

Wait, then again, this could be the role Keanu Reeves was born to play... ONE WHERE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO TALK! :D

Seriously though, get someone who already knows how to kick some @$$, like Park or Jaa.

[jrpstarwars]

I just read at IESB that Mark Whalberg is going to play Duke in the GI Joe movie, good news. Now they have to get Vin Diesel to play Destro and Angelina Joelie to play the Baroness!

GI Joe and the Funky Bunch?:dry:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Vin Diesel as Destro? The hell?

Just can't see the guy pulling that very specific type of charisma...

[livrule]

Vin Diesel as Destro? The hell?

Just can't see the guy pulling that very specific type of charisma...

For some reason I also think Vin would be a perfect Destro.

Going by the cartoon he has the voice and in both the comic and cartoon Joe universe Destro is a big guy, very powerful.

It goes without saying that you would have to give a little on the acting front but nobody is perfect.

We will not have time to REALLY explore Destro in a 2 hour movie so for me Diesel would be spot-on!

[jrpstarwars]

For some reason I also think Vin would be a perfect Destro.

Going by the cartoon he has the voice and in both the comic and cartoon Joe universe Destro is a big guy, very powerful.

It goes without saying that you would have to give a little on the acting front but nobody is perfect.

We will not have time to REALLY explore Destro in a 2 hour movie so for me Diesel would be spot-on!

I'm sorry but I really think Destro should be older. Stacy Keach or Powers Boothe would be best, Sean Connery might be okay too.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm sorry but I really think Destro should be older. Stacy Keach or Powers Boothe would be best, Sean Connery might be okay too.

Power Boothes would own. Good call on that one.

[jrpstarwars]

Power Boothes would own. Good call on that one.


Wasn't my idea but thanks.:woot:

[livrule]

I'm sorry but I really think Destro should be older. Stacy Keach or Powers Boothe would be best, Sean Connery might be okay too.

Thats cool ... All three are great actors, I'm just wondering why you feel Destro would be that old?

[jrpstarwars]

Thats cool ... All three are great actors, I'm just wondering why you feel Destro would be that old?

I don't know b. I guess I always just pictured him in my head like that.

[Chaos Bringer]

this is a joke, right? why would anyone want Vin Diesel to play anything in any movie???

disagree with you strongly Amigo.
surprised Vin isn't used more often and he'd make a dynamite Destro.

[jrpstarwars]

Vin Diesel in this would suck it up all the more. No Vin. He's too crappy and to ****ty. We do not need Vin in this.

[livrule]

disagree with you strongly Amigo.
surprised Vin isn't used more often and he'd make a dynamite Destro.

I think so too ....

Don't get me wrong, I do understand why Diesel would not be a welcome choice for many people but when I see Destro in the classic cartoon and comics it just seems like a perfect choice for the part.

Pitch Black proved that when he really gets into a role he can produce some good work.

[jrpstarwars]

Yo Joe?:csad:

[TheDemon'sHead]

Of course none of these would happen but this is how I've pictured a G.I. Joe movie if the characters were at all like the cartoon.

Cobra Commander: Steve Buscemi
Destro: Jeremy Irons
The Baroness: Famke Jennsen
Major Blood: Gary Oldman
General Hawk: Harrison Ford
Flint: Ed Norton
Storm Shadow: Jet Li or actually get a Japanese actor.
Quick Kick: Tony Jaa
Stalker: Wesley Snipes
Snake-Eyes: He's in a mask, it wouldn't matter
and yes, Stone Cold as Gung-Ho would be perfect.

A G.I. Joe movie could be interesting if done well.

[jrpstarwars]

In conjunction with my 'Inglorious Bastards' post I nominate Quentin
Tarantino as writer/director for this project. The project would be produced by Steven Spielberg and Co. and the writer/director team would be none other than Oliver Stone and Tarantino. I would accept Tarantino alone without Stone if 'Inglorious Bastards' is at all succesful, but I would still prefer having Stone involved.

[jrpstarwars]

Of course none of these would happen but this is how I've pictured a G.I. Joe movie if the characters were at all like the cartoon.

Cobra Commander: Steve Buscemi
Destro: Jeremy Irons
The Baroness: Famke Jennsen
Major Blood: Gary Oldman
General Hawk: Harrison Ford
Flint: Ed Norton
Storm Shadow: Jet Li or actually get a Japanese actor.
Quick Kick: Tony Jaa
Stalker: Wesley Snipes
Snake-Eyes: He's in a mask, it wouldn't matter
and yes, Stone Cold as Gung-Ho would be perfect.

A G.I. Joe movie could be interesting if done well.

Buscemi? Intresting.

Ford as Hawk? I agree 100%

Ed Norton as Flint? No but Norton could be good as... DUKE!!! Yes, Norton as Duke!!!

Uh... isn't Storm Shadow blonde?

Quick Kick? I hope he doesn't have a major role.

Wes Snipes as Stalker? I suppose but only because I can't think of anyone else other than a far too old Laurence Fishburne.

Stone Cold as Gung Ho? Perfect, I don't know anyone else who could do it, except maybe Goldberg or a buffed up, bald Will Ferrel.

Now for Snake Eyes... He will not be masked for the entire movie, he can't be. Honestly, who wears a mask 24/7? He's not going to be masked but he will have little dialogue and you will need a strong screen presence for this role. JOAQUIN PHOENIX.:ninja: :word:

[CyrusGrissom]

Samuel L. Jackson as Destro would be good in my opinion.

[jrpstarwars]

Samuel L. Jackson as Destro would be good in my opinion.

Only problem... Destro is British. Snake Eyes is going to have to be altered enough, I don't want any other characters changed.

[jrpstarwars]

Someone suggested Edward Norton as Flint but does anyone else think this guy would kill as Duke?

http://edward.j.norton.free.fr/Norton_images/fight%20club/fightclub25.jpg

He could easily upgrade GI Joe to more than an action/adventure film. Not to mention he could possibly make getting Brad Pitt as Cobra Commander easier, if their relationship is in good standing.

[jrpstarwars]

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This is the shortest, yet best, possible cast for 'GI Joe:The Movie.' If you want to write a screenplay these are the characters to incorporate.

[Chaos Bringer]

In conjunction with my 'Inglorious Bastards' post I nominate Quentin
Tarantino as writer/director for this project. The project would be produced by Steven Spielberg and Co. and the writer/director team would be none other than Oliver Stone and Tarantino. I would accept Tarantino alone without Stone if 'Inglorious Bastards' is at all succesful, but I would still prefer having Stone involved.


dude, i need what you're smoking

[TheDemon'sHead]

Uh... isn't Storm Shadow blonde?

Wes Snipes as Stalker? I suppose but only because I can't think of anyone else other than a far too old Laurence Fishburne.

Now for Snake Eyes... He will not be masked for the entire movie, he can't be. Honestly, who wears a mask 24/7? He's not going to be masked but he will have little dialogue and you will need a strong screen presence for this role. JOAQUIN PHOENIX

Storm Shadow is of Japanese descent.
Will Smith would actually be a good Stalker. If he wasn't Will Smith.
I don't know about Snake-Eyes. I'd leave it a mystery and not show him maskless. He'd be like Boba Fett before George Lucas made him into a joke.

And oh yeah, John Leguizamo as Tunnel Rat. Cause it was the part he was born to play.

Also Destro was Scottish.

[jrpstarwars]

Storm Shadow is of Japanese descent.
Will Smith would actually be a good Stalker. If he wasn't Will Smith.
I don't know about Snake-Eyes. I'd leave it a mystery and not show him maskless. He'd be like Boba Fett before George Lucas made him into a joke.

And oh yeah, John Leguizamo as Tunnel Rat. Cause it was the part he was born to play.

Also Destro was Scottish.


I could have sworn that I read Storm Shadow was blonde.

Agreed on Will Smith being good for Stalker, if he wasn't Will Smith.

Boba Fett was a character with little screen time so there was little problem with him wearing a mask. Snake-Eyes is going to have a major role in all the movies and may even star in a solo film. You CANNOT have that major of a character be faceless and voiceless. One has to go and I say the mask.

Leguizamo is too old to be Tunnel Rat. Tunnel Rat is meant to be one of the younger characters and Leguizamo at 43 is far too old. My choice is
Justin Long.
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/columbia_pictures/the_sweetest_thing/justin_long/sweetpre2.jpg

[jrpstarwars]

Am I the only one who thinks this film would be better if they used the characters real names primarily as opposed to the codenames? It just seems foolish to call the characters by codenames. X-men did a good job of not overusing the codenames and I think the Joes should too.

[jrpstarwars]

Here are a couple of the pics I can best use to convey the direction I want the GI Joe movie to go in.
http://www.newsarama.com/devilsdue_new/GIJoeElite/gijoeelite1.jpg

http://www.ybfree.com/13GIJOE.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/devilsdue_new/GIJoeElite/gijoeelite4.jpghttp://www.newsarama.com/devilsdue_new/GIJoeElite/gijoeelite3.jpghttp://www.newsarama.com/devilsdue_new/GIJoeElite/gijoeelite5.jpghttp://www.newsarama.com/Devils_Due/Ladies_of_GIJoe_Poster.jpghttp://www.newsarama.com/Devils_Due/GIJOE_25_10_CMYK.jpg

[jrpstarwars]

and of course...
http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/300W/images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/10/5/f/Cobra_Commander_colors.jpg


http://www.mediacomsc.com.br/imagens/3d/cobra_commander/JI_joe_Cobra_Commander_final.jpg

and the man...
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[Punch]

Wahlberg would be much better as Flint.

[TheDemon'sHead]

I'd keep Snake-Eyes as a man of mystery. Not a whole lot of screen time but used to his fullest extent when he is on screen. Expand his role in the inevitable sequel. Then give him a solo movie or something.

Here's Storm Shadow's wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Shadow_%28G.I._Joe%29

Snake-Eyes is blonde though. Did I mention that in my earlier thread?

Yeah, Leguizamo is too old but when I was younger I always pictured him as Tunnel Rat.

[jrpstarwars]

Wahlberg would be much better as Flint.

No, he wouldn't work as Flint either. I'm thinking that Dirk Diggler, I mean Mark Wahlberg, would be best as... Falcon.

http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/death-overdue/falcon.jpghttp://re3.mm-a4.yimg.com/image/2833501866 (http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dmark%2Bwahlberg%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dush-sport%26b%3D21&w=228&h=280&imgurl=www.poster.net%2Fwahlberg-mark%2Fwahlberg-mark-photo-mark-wahlberg-6202452.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.celinecommunity.com%2Findex. php%3Fshowtopic%3D18444&size=27.0kB&name=wahlberg-mark-photo-mark-wahlberg-6202452.jpg&p=mark+wahlberg&type=jpeg&no=27&tt=27,334&oid=90999def9ecbeca8&ei=UTF-8)

[jrpstarwars]

This thread needs some new life. It appears the major stumbling block for this potential franchise is 'Snake Eyes.' He is to be one of the top 2 or 3 characters in the series and it is extremely difficult to have this important of a character portrayed as a faceless mute.

I propose the idea of opening the GI Joe series with a Snake Eyes solo-film. This film could basically get the mask off and get him talking a little bit.

Or how about this? Don't have Snake Eyes as a main character. Have him be a faceless mute and that will be the end of it.

[TheDemon'sHead]

The idea of starting it off with Snake-Eyes would work but it would be more of a Snake-Eyes/Storm Shadow movie with some Stalker thrown in there. Unless of course you wouldn't want to go the route of the comic origin stories.

But then again, I think a G.I. Joe movie can stand on it's on if you have Snake-Eyes as the cool, quiet character.

Oh and for some reason I just thought that Clive Owen would make an awesome Major Blood even though I can't stand the Major Blood character. He could probably give the character some justice.

[jrpstarwars]

The idea of starting it off with Snake-Eyes would work but it would be more of a Snake-Eyes/Storm Shadow movie with some Stalker thrown in there. Unless of course you wouldn't want to go the route of the comic origin stories.

But then again, I think a G.I. Joe movie can stand on it's on if you have Snake-Eyes as the cool, quiet character.

Oh and for some reason I just thought that Clive Owen would make an awesome Major Blood even though I can't stand the Major Blood character. He could probably give the character some justice.

If you want an epic saga Snake Eyes can't be that way.

My choice for major Bludd:

http://handson.provocateuse.com/images/photos/hugh_jackman_08.jpg (http://handson.provocateuse.com/show/hugh_jackman/08)

Hugh Jackman

[jrpstarwars]

Wouldn't Vinnie Jones be perfect for the Snake Eyes role?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/785000/images/_789177_lock_stock_300.jpg
http://www.zelluloid.de/images/szenen/39b06ea6e9a5f.jpghttp://www.sandstormmedia.co.uk/clients/oew/gallery/vinniemounte.jpg

[CobraCommander]

I've been away for quite some time. But I recently peeked back in to see what was up, and lo-and-behold, a GI Joe thread.

Needless to say, Hollywood is going to butcher this film. Horribly. And it seems many of you in this thread have no idea what GI Joe is really all about. If you think Snake-Eyes got to be the iconic character he is by showing his face and talking, you are sorely mistaken. His silence and facelessness are essential to his character. He managed to convey character and emotion on a static page, I'm sure a talented actor could do the same in motion, if not better.

I see you've all gotten into casting ideas, without discussing the hack job that is being passed around as a script for this movie. It's not even GI Joe. It's not even Action Force. It's something else, but they're going to call it GI Joe anyway.

And as far as my namesake is concerned, one of the most legendary, iconic, and down-right evil villains in comics history... please. They have no idea how to handle Cobra Commander. Once again, his facelessness is his identity. If you show his face in this film, you have neutered the character. Period.

As far as all of the characters we know and love, such as Destro, Baroness, Storm Shadow, Hawk, Duke, Flint, Zartan... forget it. Because I promise you won't recognize them if this movie progresses in its current form. Most won't be present, and those that are will not have the relationships we know and love, that are essential to their character to begin with.

So long as Lorenzo DiBonaventura is producing this film, it will be wretched. No good casting decision or choice of director can change that. It will not be GI Joe. It will be something far inferior, being passed off on us as GI Joe. And shame on us if we bite.

I may be back. I may not. But I had to post this. Don't say I didn't warn you.

[Timstuff]

Don't worry, that script is long dead. If GI Joe pops up as a movie again, it will be because Transformers made a $%&#load of money, so they'll probably give GI Joe to someone who will do it well.

Anyway, my biggest fear with GI Joe is that Hollywood would want to make a "politically correct" version of it. I know that some people might bite me for saying this, but Hollywood is a pretty liberal town, and no matter how you slice it, GI Joe is fairly conservative in it's overall theme.

I'm not saying that Hollywood is incapable of doing GI Joe right, because there have been some very well done movies recently that are pro-military, so it's not like there's no-one in Hollywood who'd be willing to do GI Joe without re-shaping it. However, when I read stuff like this...

In conjunction with my 'Inglorious Bastards' post I nominate Quentin
Tarantino as writer/director for this project. The project would be produced by Steven Spielberg and Co. and the writer/director team would be none other than Oliver Stone and Tarantino. I would accept Tarantino alone without Stone if 'Inglorious Bastards' is at all succesful, but I would still prefer having Stone involved.

It makes me want to barf. Either this poster doesn't know squat about GI Joe, or he doesn't know squat about Oliver Stone as a person. Oliver Stone's GI Joe would probably have the Joes killing civilians and then making fake video tapes of Cobra soldiers doing it. If you want that kind of movie, then fine, that's your own business. But for the love of the 80's, don't try to call it GI Joe.

Anyway, as for Snake Eyes, since he's such a popular topic (and was my favorite Joe growing up), I think I'll add my own two cents in. I did like the old script's idea where Scarlett is always trying to get SE to talk, but it sounded completely retarded as to why he doesn't talk, and the way Scarlett tries to "fix it" seems like it'd be played for laughs more than anything else. I think that SE should have damage to his vocal chords caused by gas from a "Ninja bomb" thrown by Storm Shadow when he and SE became enemies. Scarlett would believe that Snake Eyes has the ability to recover his speaking ability, but doesn't really try because he's ashamed of being beaten by Storm Shadow. It'd make for some good drama, and people would be waiting to see if he speaks again, which he probably would eventually (I imagine him groaning "Scarlett..." in a weak voice when he sees her in trouble, and that would be all until a future sequel). Also, I add that while SE was originally portrayed as being blond, I am not at all opposed to the possibility of giving him dark hair or even making him be of Japanese decent.

[3dman27]

I've been away for quite some time. But I recently peeked back in to see what was up, and lo-and-behold, a GI Joe thread.

Needless to say, Hollywood is going to butcher this film. Horribly. And it seems many of you in this thread have no idea what GI Joe is really all about. If you think Snake-Eyes got to be the iconic character he is by showing his face and talking, you are sorely mistaken. His silence and facelessness are essential to his character. He managed to convey character and emotion on a static page, I'm sure a talented actor could do the same in motion, if not better.

I see you've all gotten into casting ideas, without discussing the hack job that is being passed around as a script for this movie. It's not even GI Joe. It's not even Action Force. It's something else, but they're going to call it GI Joe anyway.

And as far as my namesake is concerned, one of the most legendary, iconic, and down-right evil villains in comics history... please. They have no idea how to handle Cobra Commander. Once again, his facelessness is his identity. If you show his face in this film, you have neutered the character. Period.

As far as all of the characters we know and love, such as Destro, Baroness, Storm Shadow, Hawk, Duke, Flint, Zartan... forget it. Because I promise you won't recognize them if this movie progresses in its current form. Most won't be present, and those that are will not have the relationships we know and love, that are essential to their character to begin with.

So long as Lorenzo DiBonaventura is producing this film, it will be wretched. No good casting decision or choice of director can change that. It will not be GI Joe. It will be something far inferior, being passed off on us as GI Joe. And shame on us if we bite.

I may be back. I may not. But I had to post this. Don't say I didn't warn you.
greetings cobra commander nice to see you back i was wondering what you thought about this movie treatment as well as the pc monstrosity called sigma 6:ninja:

[blind_fury]

J-Lo for Lady Jay

Jason Lee for Shipwreck

and no Micheal Bay

[CobraCommander]

If GI Joe pops up as a movie again, it will be because Transformers made a $%&#load of money, so they'll probably give GI Joe to someone who will do it well.

If GI Joe is handled the way Transformers is being handled, I won't be in attendance when it opens. Not to get into a big Transformers debate, as I'm not the biggest fan in the world, but what I've seen from that movie IS NOT Transformers.

But I digress.

Read the comics. Read the Marvel series. Read the Image/DDP series. The movie's content is already there. It can be tightened up for the sake of the film (or films), and perhaps some of the weaker elements can be updated and tweaked, but overall, the foundation is already laid.

This is yet another example of Hollywood thinking they know better than the material that made the franchise popular to begin with. It happens with every comic book film, even after the success of Spider-Man, which stayed true to the original works by Stan Lee, if not directly in content than in spirit. Even after the success of Sin City and 300, which are the most true to the work comics films yet, Hollywood still insists on thinking they know better.

It's hard being a fan of comics at times like this. Movies are seen by a much wider audience. When those movies are bad, the comics on which they are based are thrown under the bus by most people along with the bad movie. Case in point, I'm a HUGE Daredevil fan. It's probably the best monthly comic going for the last 5 years or so (in my opinion). But what's the first thing people who don't read comics say when I tell them my favorite comic? "Oh, that movie kinda sucked." Or something to that effect.

I don't want GI Joe to become a joke because of a weak movie.

[TheDemon'sHead]

Originally Posted by CobraCommander http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=11726926#post11726926)
If you think Snake-Eyes got to be the iconic character he is by showing his face and talking, you are sorely mistaken. His silence and facelessness are essential to his character. He managed to convey character and emotion on a static page, I'm sure a talented actor could do the same in motion, if not better.

Thank you CC!

[Hunter Rider]

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/793/793859p1.html

G.I. Joe Re-Enlists
Paramount, producer renew pact for movie adaptation.
by IGN Staff (http://uk.movies.ign.com/email.html)



US, June 4, 2007 - Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura has long eyed turning the toy and comic book franchise G.I. Joe into a feature film for Paramount Pictures. He's even talked about casting his Shooter star Mark Wahlberg as Joe team leader Duke (http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/770/770208p1.html). Today brings the news that Paramount's pact with Joe toy maker Hasbro recently expired.

However, Variety reports that Hasbro's reps at the William Morris Agency renewed a deal between the toy manufacturer and Paramount to bring G.I. Joe to the silver screen.

Di Bonaventura will still produce the movie, but there was no word on whether the project will still use Skip Woods' screenplay or not.

That particular take on G.I. Joe, which reportedly had Duke teaming up with the Action Man character (http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/771/771046p1.html), has met with a mixed-to-negative response from many fans, according to reader feedback and message board postings.

[KenK]

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/793/793859p1.html

G.I. Joe Re-Enlists
Paramount, producer renew pact for movie adaptation.
by IGN Staff (http://uk.movies.ign.com/email.html)



US, June 4, 2007 - Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura has long eyed turning the toy and comic book franchise G.I. Joe into a feature film for Paramount Pictures. He's even talked about casting his Shooter star Mark Wahlberg as Joe team leader Duke (http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/770/770208p1.html). Today brings the news that Paramount's pact with Joe toy maker Hasbro recently expired.

However, Variety reports that Hasbro's reps at the William Morris Agency renewed a deal between the toy manufacturer and Paramount to bring G.I. Joe to the silver screen.

Di Bonaventura will still produce the movie, but there was no word on whether the project will still use Skip Woods' screenplay or not.

That particular take on G.I. Joe, which reportedly had Duke teaming up with the Action Man character (http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/771/771046p1.html), has met with a mixed-to-negative response from many fans, according to reader feedback and message board postings.

Hopefully Paramount is taking the negative response to Woods' screenplay into consideration, because it sounds profoundly stupid, even for GI Joe.

[CobraCommander]

Di Bonaventura will still produce the movie

So long as he is involved, this movie doesn't have a chance. He doesn't get it. He never has, and never will. He is the GI Joe equivalent to Jon Peters, except, MAYBE he can read, but even that is open to speculation.

[jrpstarwars]

Don't worry, that script is long dead. If GI Joe pops up as a movie again, it will be because Transformers made a $%&#load of money, so they'll probably give GI Joe to someone who will do it well.

Anyway, my biggest fear with GI Joe is that Hollywood would want to make a "politically correct" version of it. I know that some people might bite me for saying this, but Hollywood is a pretty liberal town, and no matter how you slice it, GI Joe is fairly conservative in it's overall theme.

I'm not saying that Hollywood is incapable of doing GI Joe right, because there have been some very well done movies recently that are pro-military, so it's not like there's no-one in Hollywood who'd be willing to do GI Joe without re-shaping it. However, when I read stuff like this...



It makes me want to barf. Either this poster doesn't know squat about GI Joe, or he doesn't know squat about Oliver Stone as a person. Oliver Stone's GI Joe would probably have the Joes killing civilians and then making fake video tapes of Cobra soldiers doing it. If you want that kind of movie, then fine, that's your own business. But for the love of the 80's, don't try to call it GI Joe.

Anyway, as for Snake Eyes, since he's such a popular topic (and was my favorite Joe growing up), I think I'll add my own two cents in. I did like the old script's idea where Scarlett is always trying to get SE to talk, but it sounded completely retarded as to why he doesn't talk, and the way Scarlett tries to "fix it" seems like it'd be played for laughs more than anything else. I think that SE should have damage to his vocal chords caused by gas from a "Ninja bomb" thrown by Storm Shadow when he and SE became enemies. Scarlett would believe that Snake Eyes has the ability to recover his speaking ability, but doesn't really try because he's ashamed of being beaten by Storm Shadow. It'd make for some good drama, and people would be waiting to see if he speaks again, which he probably would eventually (I imagine him groaning "Scarlett..." in a weak voice when he sees her in trouble, and that would be all until a future sequel). Also, I add that while SE was originally portrayed as being blond, I am not at all opposed to the possibility of giving him dark hair or even making him be of Japanese decent.


You are exaggerating on Oliver Stone.

[Timstuff]

In what way? Am I exaggerating on what his GI Joe would be, or exaggerating that he is the wrong kind of guy to associate with GI Joe? My point is that someone who has a very openly negative opinion of the US government and military is the completely wrong type of person to produce a GI Joe movie. At least someone like Michael Bay is on good enough terms with the military that he can get real military personnel to be in his films. That is far closer to the kind of person that should be involved with GI Joe, regardless of whether you think Stone is a better director than Bay.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear the project is back on track. Hopefully TF makes a big splash at the BO so we get to see it happen!

[jrpstarwars]

My point is that someone who has a very openly negative opinion of the US government and military is the completely wrong type of person to produce a GI Joe movie.

Uh... most REAL vets don't have a positive opinion of the U.S. government and military. Sure, most agree boot camp is a good idea but you'll have to look long and hard to find any vets who say 'the U.S. government is great and I love the military.'

Actually, since G.I. Joe IS a non traditional military organization I think the writer/director team of Tarantino and Stone would be perfect.

From the tacky codenames to the clownish uniforms to the strange humor, G.I. Joe is anything but a military film. It's not Platoon, Apocalypse Now, or Saving Private Ryan. If anything I see it being alot like 'Independence Day' with Cobra taking the place of the aliens.

[papagrande]

If this guy could act he would be the perfect Duke

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/WESHOL%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpghttp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/story_image/long_bust072900.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.jsp%3Frelease_id%3D751&h=400&w=283&sz=66&tbnid=Ac0VAObZ7R8cCM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhowie%2Blong%26um%3D1&start=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=1

[papagrande]

sorry wrong link


http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.jsp?release_id=751

[TheDemon'sHead]

Originally Posted by jrpstarwars
From the tacky codenames to the clownish uniforms to the strange humor, G.I. Joe is anything but a military film. It's not Platoon, Apocalypse Now, or Saving Private Ryan. If anything I see it being alot like 'Independence Day' with Cobra taking the place of the aliens.

And with that I would not want to see it.

[Timstuff]

Agreed. GI Joe needs to be something akin to an Arnold Schwarzenegger action movie, offering big, loud, manly fun. I always imagined the action being like the shootout from Predator, only carried throughout and entire 2 hour film.

And jrpstarwars, if you knew about Oliver Stone's current project, you'd know that his opinion of government and military affairs goes FAR beyond criticism of the current descisions being made. I do not want to open up a can of worms here, so I'll let you do the research yourself. The point is that a director's views are reflected in their work, and in Stone's case, I do not think his views would resemble those presented in the show.

As for Tarantino... Ugh. He's an overrated crazy man who made a couple of stupid but entertaining movies. And we'll leave it at that.

[Hunter Rider]

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/796/796434p1.html
Exclusive: G.I. Joe Update
Producer on the tale of two scripts.
by Scott Collura (http://uk.movies.ign.com/email.html)



US, June 14, 2007 - G.I. Joe won't be the first '80s toy line/cartoon that producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura has adapted to the big screen: His live-action Transformers movie hits theaters next month, of course. But G.I. Joe, which like Transformers originated in plasticine form, has actually been on di Bonaventura's plate even longer than those robots in disguise have been. So why the long wait in seeing a finished G.I. Joe movie?

After what has seemed like an interminable development process, it was recently reported (http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/793/793859p1.html) that Hasbro has renewed its deal with Paramount to bring the long-simmering would-be film franchise to the silver screen.

"Actually, there were two incarnations of [the G.I. Joe script] and we're proceeding down both roads," di Bonaventura recently explained to IGN. "You know, there's a lot of misinformation about this and I'm glad you asked this question. We had pursued originally a take on the project written by David Elliot and Paul Lovett, which was put aside for a period of time. And then a second avenue was taken that included Action Man, and that was being written by Skip Woods."

Action Man is a British toy line based on the original 12-inch (pre 1980s) version of the G.I. Joe line. The Woods script reportedly combined Action Man and G.I. Joe into a single adventure, though this plan was met with a less than happy response by the online fan community.

"Skip Woods' draft came and somehow leaked, which is always unfortunate," says the producer. "I find it really unfortunate on the part of the writer, the artist, because Skip had literally, from the day he finished his contract to the day that draft came in, seven weeks [to complete it] because of the timeline that was being required by the overall deal. So, it has been judged in some circles, I think, harshly, and I think unfortunately like all creative processes it was just the very beginning of it. And I know that Skip is working hard on his next draft and is going to nail it."

Di Bonaventura compares the criticism of the leaked script to the nitpicking that some of the early Transformers designs were victim to when they first hit the Internet during that film's preproduction stage.

"I have a very clear vision on G.I. Joe which is the same that I have on every property that I do that people care about," he says. "You must find a way to be true to it, and you must find a way to evolve it forward. And I think one of the hardest things as a filmmaker… if you go back to Transformers [for example], the designs of Optimus and everything were being very harshly criticized early on. And what you want to have as a creative process is you want a sense of germination, then a sense of evolution, and then a sense of conclusion. It was being judged in the germination stage. It's such a rudimentary place where it was being judged, and we kept saying, 'You know what, guys? No one has seen it. We haven't even seen it. Until ILM gets involved, we won't even know.' And what is rewarding in that case is that by and large people are really loving what was done to the actual physicality of Transformers. And that's what we have to do with G.I. Joe. It's very simple. Snake-Eyes and Scarlett, Nemesis and Destro and Cobra and Duke and Heavy Duty: These guys have to be rendered as characters that the fan base recognizes and loves, and in a way that the movie can deliver a cool experience that you want to relate to. And that's an evolutionary process. I'd like to think I get it more right than wrong, so I'm hoping we're going to get it right this time."

Stay tuned to IGN for more G.I. Joe news as it breaks -- no matter which script they wind up going with!

[TheDemon'sHead]

It's very simple. Snake-Eyes and Scarlett, Nemesis and Destro and Cobra and Duke and Heavy Duty

Uh... Nemesis? I really hope he doesn't mean Nemesis Enforcer from the G.I. Joe cartoon movie.

[CobraCommander]

This man has no idea what he's talking about. Like my thread says, get him as far away from GI Joe as possible.

Who the hell is Nemesis? I didn't even see Cobra Commander's name mentioned there.

And here we go with the Transformers comparisons. If GI Joe suffers the same style revision as Transformers, then you can count me out. Those fans have every right to judge the crap that they're being served in the guise of Transformers.

And believe me, if I see GI Joe given such a drastic makeover, and the story and characters butchered, then I'll be judging just as hard if not harder.

[Joker's Lackey]

How I would cast GI-Joe


Hawk - Paul Newman/Harrison Ford
Duke - Matt Damon
Flint - Josh Hartnett
Lady Jaye - Maggie Gyllenhaal
Snake-eyes - Thomas Jane(snake-eyes should show his face)
Scarlett - Jessica Beil
Tunnel Rat - Shia LaBeouf/Justin Long

Cobra Commander- Ed Harris
Serpenter - Viggo Mortensen
Destro - Gerald Butler
the Baroness - Elisabeth Rohm/Katherine Heigl
Dr. Mindbender - Dylan Baker
Storm Shadow - Donnie Yen
Fire Fly - Ray Park

[CobraCommander]

We're a long way from casting. Let's get a quality producer, director, and writer on board first. It could be a cast of complete unknowns for all I care so long as the guys in charge know what they're doing, and care about the source material.

Currently, they do not. So I'll continue to have a sinking feeling until something positive comes out of DiBonaventura's mouth.

[DRUMM3RBOY]

Here is my choice for Snake Eyes

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/13/phoenix_narrowweb__200x275.jpg

He is one of the few actors in Hollywood who could pull off a silent role well. i dont think it really matters who the heck is in the suit because he is a mute anyways but they do need some one in the suit who is really good at jumping around and doing stunts fighting ect

[Timstuff]

That's why I say Tony Jaa! I don't even know if he speaks English, but that wouldn't be a problem since the most we'd probably even hear him say is "Scarlett..." in a raspy groan, if anything at all. But if they really must have him played by a Caucasian, then would want Ray Park. He's an amazing martial artist and is used to having his face covered, lol.

Anyway, I hope this movie gets underway soon so that GI Joe can have it's own forum here!

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=2376

G.I. Joe Exclusive Update with Hasbro COO
Date: July 12, 2007

By: El Mayimbe
Source: El Mayimbe (http://www.latinoreview.com/)

Cue G.I. Joe music...

He never gives up...
He stays till the fight won...
El Mayimbe will dare...

Now that TRANSFORMERS (http://www.latinoreview.com/filmpreview.php?id=254) is making serious Drug Kinpin Dollars quicker than Amaury "Fig" Nolasco can curse in Spanish in the movie (http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=2376#), what's going on with G.I. JOE (http://www.latinoreview.com/filmpreview.php?id=255)?

I have been wanting to put this up for a while but never got around to it until now because the madness (http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=2376#) has to stop. Apparantly, my last G.I. JOE (http://www.latinoreview.com/filmpreview.php?id=255) (Skip Woods draft) script review made a lot of noise.

Brian Goldner, the COO of Hasbro, exec producer of Transformers and the upcoming G.I, JOE (http://www.latinoreview.com/filmpreview.php?id=255) personally emailed me after my that script review to assure the fans that there will be a contemporary G.I. JOE vs COBRA storyline in the G.I. JOE movie.

Here is what Mr. Goldner had to say...

Dear Mr. Mayimbe:

Thanks for your note. We are working to develop a movie script that delivers a contemporary GI JOE vs. COBRA story, inspired by the comic books. We do not yet have one. Hopefully soon….

Regards bg

So there ya have it folks, there will be Cobra bad guys in the movie and it makes perfect sense because Hasbro has to sell toys - they can't just sell G.I. Joes!

On that note, this goes to all the crazy G.I. JOE (http://www.latinoreview.com/filmpreview.php?id=255) fanatics out there - PLEASE stop emailing me G.I. JOE (http://www.latinoreview.com/filmpreview.php?id=255) treatments, scripts written in MS Word and the like because so far they have been far much worse than anything else I have read concerning G.I. JOE (http://www.latinoreview.com/filmpreview.php?id=255)! Leave it to the screenwriting professionals!

Speaking of Amaury Nolasco, ain't it just cool that he brought a couple of my favorite spanish curse words into mainstream popular culture! Now kids across the globe can watch TRANSFORMERS and come out of the theater not uttering who their favorite Transformer is, but the words "culo" "jodiendo" and "mierda!"

Hasta el proximo capitulo...as Mr. Goldner would say...

...YO SOY MR. MAYIMBE!

[Prognosticator]

YESSSSSSSS! :up: :up:

[Prognosticator]

I think it's the PERFECT time to push this movie through!

Hot on the tails of TF, they should focus on a quality story (again), and we could easily see a G.I. Joe movie come out a year or so before we get the TF sequel, which would help to curve the anxiety of waiting! :) :(

[Eros]

To bad a G.I. joe movie will probably flop.

[Chaos Bringer]

Ray Park 4 Snake Eyes

[CobraCommander]

Honestly, this is the best news I've heard on this project yet. The scripts that have been out there have all been terrible, and Lorenzo DiBonaventura's insistence on including the original 12" GI Joe "character" (seriously, did he have a character?) borders on sheer stupidity and blatant disrespect for what most people consider to be GI Joe. That being "A Real American Hero." GI Joe Vs. Cobra.

So hopefully Hasbro's statement means that they are not happy with what has been happening, and they're insisting that it be done right.

Without Cobra, GI Joe is just another army toy.

[Chaos Bringer]

after seeing transformers i think Lorenzo is poop anywho

[BobJM]

Here's my cast proposal. I've chosen these actors based on ability and their similiarities to characters. Some may seem like odd choices, but I feel that the character would have an easier transition to screen with a different interpretation.

G.I. JOE

- Hawk: Sam Elliot or Tom Skerritt
- Duke: Cole Hauser
- Snake Eyes: Ray Park
- Scarlett: Jessica Biel
- Tunnel Rat: Justin Bartha

I'll post more later

[Whiskey Tango]

I really hope they get this one right. I remember reading a year or two ago where the plan was to make Cobra Commander a Serpentor-like clone or something. I would have cried.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/blackestofblueskies/cobrareborn.jpg

[Vile]

If they screw up this film it could only be intentional.

GI Joe is HARDLY a complicated sell.

Anti-Terrorist organization against a terrorist organization - It's that freaking simple. Considering the day and age we live in, they'd be stupid to screw up this film as it could very well be the 'Captain America punching Hitler in the face' of our time.

Anti Terrorist HEROES....taking on Terrorist VILLAINS. One on one! Battles! Explosions! America wins, terrorism loses YAAaAaAaaAaAAY!

They just need to take it somewhat seriously

- Covert paramilitary group codenamed 'GI Joe' created to specifically take on terrorists around the planet. They have codenames because dammit, we don't want the terrorists knocking on their families doors.

- A new (or is it? dum dum DAAAA) terror organization is making itself known. They are more intricate than anything known to so far - Cobra, led by the mysterious Cobra Commander, M.A.R.S. led by a James Destro and the Dreaknoks lead by a man named Zartan. 3 branches of a terrorist organization that have ties to everything - from Al Qaeda to Iran, to North Korea. Hell, much like Le Chiffre in Casino Royale making a boatload of money off 9/11, perhaps it was Cobra operatives that got those terrorists on the planes.

As far as appearances go...there are, really, only one or two that need drastic changings - lets face it...Destro's 80's plunging neckline has to go, but as long as he has the damn metal mask we're good to go. Cobra Commander doesnt have to change at all!

If done right, this movie could seriously rock...but only if the film makers can look past odd-sounding codenames and old-style costumes and such.

Just my two cents.

[3dman27]

i just hope they rmember cobra commander looks better in the cowl that the helmet

[CobraCommander]

Vile, you hit the nail on the head. :up:

[TheVileOne]

Ok now let me say this.

Was Lorenzo DiBonaventura not the one who recently publically stated that they wanted to basically make the GI JOE movie a movie featuring the Joes teaming up with ACTION MAN's Alex Mann?

And they couldn't really be "real American Heroes" since then the movie would lose commercial viability and marketability overseas because they couldn't sell a movie that was overtly patriotic and about a military theme.

OK now, one other thing CONSTANTINE starring Keanu Reeves.

Is it possible they changed the direction after the negative fan reaction toward the Action Man thing?

Also, you guys need to get it out of your heads that Snake Eyes is Asian. Because he's not. Believe it or not, he's a blonde white guy. He's an American. In the comics he was a Vietnam veteran. Maybe you get a Tony Jaa to do stunts or something, but he doesn't play Snake Eyes.

I also can't believe that Latino Review read a script that they did not like. That's pretty earth shattering.

[CobraCommander]

Was Lorenzo DiBonaventura not the one who recently publically stated that they wanted to basically make the GI JOE movie a movie featuring the Joes teaming up with ACTION MAN's Alex Mann?


Yes. He did say this. You can also exchange Action Man for "the original 12" GI Joe" because he feels he needs to appeal to the fans of the original, as if they're the ones who are going to see this movie. The original 12" figure didn't even have a story or character. He was an army doll with a kung-fu grip.


And they couldn't really be "real American Heroes" since then the movie would lose commercial viability and marketability overseas because they couldn't sell a movie that was overtly patriotic and about a military theme.


So long as Cobra is shown as a true threat to the world, and they keep the jingoistic tendencies to a minimum, I don't see why it would really be a problem. Good guys Vs. bad guys is pretty universal.


OK now, one other thing CONSTANTINE starring Keanu Reeves.


And we all saw how well that turned out.


Is it possible they changed the direction after the negative fan reaction toward the Action Man thing?


I tell myself Hasbro put their foot down recently because of all the statements DiBonaventura's made lately.


Also, you guys need to get it out of your heads that Snake Eyes is Asian. Because he's not. Believe it or not, he's a blonde white guy. He's an American. In the comics he was a Vietnam veteran. Maybe you get a Tony Jaa to do stunts or something, but he doesn't play Snake Eyes.


It won't matter who plays him if he's behind the mask and visor the whole movie. But yes, he is an American.


I also can't believe that Latino Review read a script that they did not like. That's pretty earth shattering.

I've seen them dish out some bad reviews. But GI Joe definitely deserved it. It was total garbage.

[Vile]

i just hope they rmember cobra commander looks better in the cowl that the helmet


I'm hoping they use both - He usually wears the cowl when bumming around base and the helmet when going into combat, so both work.

[TheVileOne]

Yes. He did say this. You can also exchange Action Man for "the original 12" GI Joe" because he feels he needs to appeal to the fans of the original, as if they're the ones who are going to see this movie. The original 12" figure didn't even have a story or character. He was an army doll with a kung-fu grip.

Either way, I don't see how shoe-horning Action Man in makes it a more lucrative property.

The other point I was making is that DiBonaventura was talking about how terrible it was that the script was leaked and seemed to be negative toward that script's direction and how it wasn't final or whatever.

When he himself in an earlier report said they were going to add Alex Mann in and that was the direction they were going in.

So long as Cobra is shown as a true threat to the world, and they keep the jingoistic tendencies to a minimum, I don't see why it would really be a problem. Good guys Vs. bad guys is pretty universal.

I disagree. To me the parts they don't like are crucial parts of the source material.

And we all saw how well that turned out.

Once again, I'm pointing out some serious mis-casting and how badly it turned out.

I tell myself Hasbro put their foot down recently because of all the statements DiBonaventura's made lately.

That's good that Hasbro seems to care, which I hope they do. But after Transformers I think they care more about a movie just getting made of their property so they can make as much money as possible. And as bad as I might find Transformers, it did become a very popular hit.

It won't matter who plays him if he's behind the mask and visor the whole movie. But yes, he is an American.

That's fine. I'm simply saying, you can't have Snake-Eyes be Tony Jaa or Jet Li beneath his costume.

I've seen them dish out some bad reviews. But GI Joe definitely deserved it. It was total garbage.

Did you read it?

[Eros]

This movie could make a great comedy.

[The Shredder]

I like the idea of a G.I. Joe film. As I was actually more of a fan of the series, than I was even Transformers. No doubt, the film has potential to be something very memorable. And hopefully, we'll be seeing it sooner rather than much later. Definately keeping an eye for developments with this one.

[OptimusCannabis]

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/793/793859p1.html

G.I. Joe Re-Enlists
Paramount, producer renew pact for movie adaptation.
by IGN Staff (http://uk.movies.ign.com/email.html)



US, June 4, 2007 - Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura has long eyed turning the toy and comic book franchise G.I. Joe into a feature film for Paramount Pictures. He's even talked about casting his Shooter star Mark Wahlberg as Joe team leader Duke (http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/770/770208p1.html). Today brings the news that Paramount's pact with Joe toy maker Hasbro recently expired.

However, Variety reports that Hasbro's reps at the William Morris Agency renewed a deal between the toy manufacturer and Paramount to bring G.I. Joe to the silver screen.

Di Bonaventura will still produce the movie, but there was no word on whether the project will still use Skip Woods' screenplay or not.

That particular take on G.I. Joe, which reportedly had Duke teaming up with the Action Man character (http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/771/771046p1.html), has met with a mixed-to-negative response from many fans, according to reader feedback and message board postings.

Perhaps this contract with Hasbro was the major stumbling block for years. Now, whoever makes this film will have more control.

[Kable24]

Here's what I posted on Comingsoons message board about the movie and how to do it justice...

I think you can do a serious PG-13 G.I. Joe movie and not have it be cheesy. Go with a core team of Joes. Gen. Hawk, Duke, Flint, Snake-Eyes, Stalker, Road Block, Scarlett, Lady-Jaye and a few others. Have guys like Doc, Grunt and others make small cameos. Have the vehicles that we know and love like the Vamps, Dragonfly, Mauler Tank. Keep it grounded in a real world military feel with just a touch of futuristic. As for Cobra same thing goes. Cobra Commander, Destro, Baroness, Major Bludd, Storm Shadow and tons of Cobra Officers. Work the story that Cobra has been a myth for years. They are an urban legend, but the Military knows that they are real, but hasn't done anything because up until now Cobra hasn't been a threat. Secretly though they have been organizing a Spec. Ops team code named G.I. Joe and have been building new attack vehicles for the new team. We learn about how Hawk and Duke become team members and how they decide who gets picked to become the core team. We learn about Snake-Eyes being this major Black Ops commando and keep him all mysterious and not talking. There are hints throughout the movie about the connection between him and Storm Shadow. The world then finds out that Cobra is real and they try to take over the US and rule it in a dictatorship. Like I stated before Cobra does some major terrorist attack on the US and then the G.I. Joe team is activated. They make mention on why they have code names. They have them because they have family and there true names have to be kept classified to protect the families.
If this movie is to be taken seriously they have to go this route. They can have their actual costumes like they did in comics and put a real world military spin on them.

Things to avoid:
Lasers
BAT Troopers
Cobra-LA
Battle Force 2000
Cobra Commander being a whiny *****
The more far fetched characters and vehicles


I would love to be involved in the story development, but I have no experience writing anything of this magnitude, but I have read, watched and played with the G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero since 1983, so I feel I know a good bit about the characters and how they should be done. Sadly in the end it will probably be nothing like the G.I. Joe I know and love.

[TheVileOne]

Thing is it would be hard to do any of that, especially Cobra without being a LITTLE cheesy.

But that's part of why I like Cobra Commander.

In the comics I do like that Cobra Commander is a lot more focused, vicious, and dangerous. For example, he doesn't ever try to execute any campy doomsday plots or try to carve his face into the moon with a laser.

[Timstuff]

Maybe one of Cobra Commander's underlings could be giving him too much lip, so he whips out his pistol and caps him right on the spot. That would certainly make people take him seriously.

[Timstuff]

BTW, Vin Diesel as Destro, PLZ.

[BobJM]

Does anyone have a plot idea? I've been thinking, but have thus far come up with nothing.

[TheVileOne]

Maybe one of Cobra Commander's underlings could be giving him too much lip, so he whips out his pistol and caps him right on the spot. That would certainly make people take him seriously.
You mean like Kim Jong Il in Team America?

Villains killing their underlings is not a new thing. They've been doing it since Bond films in the 60's. Famously in the Bond films as made fun of by Austin Powers.

[OptimusCannabis]

Does anyone have a plot idea? I've been thinking, but have thus far come up with nothing.

I don't have a specific idea because I am not sure what studios, fans, and anyone wanting to work on the film are looking for.

There are three basic routes to take. One, is the cartoon series - although I can't imagine anyone wanting to see a movie franchise based off of that. Second, are the comic books. Most G.I. Joe nuts would campaign hard to have the comic books as the sole referral for the films. The third possibility is a brand new story for G.I. Joe with only the characters being the same as the books or cartoons. My preference, although wishy-washy, would be a combination of all three. The drama and depth of the comics combined with the lightheartedness of the cartoon while being given an all new spin as a rated PG-13 movie that is borderline 'R' rated.

I definitely see this being more than one movie so before deciding on a plot it must be determined wether or not the films will be intertwined or not.

There are many questions that need to be answered before writing begins. What characters do fans most want to see? What relationships are most compelling? Do fans want it to be more action or more political drama? What settings are most desired? Jungle? Arctic? Desert? Mountains? Urban? Aerial? Sea? All these questions need to be answered BY the true fans before writing begins because the best way to make a previously successful idea translate into box office success is to get the opinions of the people who loved the original idea first and foremost.

[Artist_Chick]

If Vin Diesel is in this movie....I will flat out NOT WATCH IT.

First off...Destro is SCOTISH!!!!
Vin CAN'T ACT...

Stone Cold Steve Austin...ALSO can't act...

Why...why must they TORTURE....

When I first heard about them making a GI Joe movie a while back I was excited...and then I heard the plot....I was turned off. Thanks to the success of TF...They want to do a REAL GI movie..with all the characters...Give me a good plot line and some awesome actors and I'm happy...is that too much to ask? REALLY??!

I'm hoping to GOD they don't have extreme A-listers.

...........

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
....

George Eads as Flint... :heart:
http://imgserv.ya.com/galerias2.ya.com/img/9/9340dda6c1323f52i3.jpg

[BobJM]

I was watching "Shooter" last night, and I really do think that Mark Wahlberg would make a good Duke.

Also, I think Kate Mara would make a great Scarlett. She's sexy, redhead, and she can actually act! There's this kickass scene where she's just shootin' guys left and right with a shotgun in her underwear.

[OptimusCannabis]

If Vin Diesel is in this movie....I will flat out NOT WATCH IT.

First off...Destro is SCOTISH!!!!
Vin CAN'T ACT...

Stone Cold Steve Austin...ALSO can't act...

Why...why must they TORTURE....


Stone Cold as Destro? Absolutely not! I could however see him as
Gung-Ho.

[OptimusCannabis]

I was watching "Shooter" last night, and I really do think that Mark Wahlberg would make a good Duke.

Also, I think Kate Mara would make a great Scarlett. She's sexy, redhead, and she can actually act! There's this kickass scene where she's just shootin' guys left and right with a shotgun in her underwear.

Wahlberg is a definite possibility, however, I think they are much better candidates.

As for Scarlett, I know this will be rejected, how about Lindsay Hohan?
http://www.celebscentral.net/images/users/1961/200434/lindsay_lohan24.jpg
As much as people dislike her I really think her look fits the part.

[Artist_Chick]

.......................

Scarlett isn't supposed to look like a child.....and Lohan can't act. and she's far too young for the role.

[CobraCommander]

Like I always say, please stop worrying about casting. Worry about who's producing, because that's the problem at the moment.

[OptimusCannabis]

Like I always say, please stop worrying about casting. Worry about who's producing, because that's the problem at the moment.

I kind of like the idea of Spielberg producing it even though it's not really his genre. They will probably get Michael Bay to direct it though.

[The Shredder]

I kind of like the idea of Spielberg producing it even though it's not really his genre. They will probably get Michael Bay to direct it though.
I pretty much doubt Bay will be directing a G.I. Joe movie if they want the film out anytime soon. Since I am sure they are currently negotiating for him to return and helm TF 2.

[Speedball]

.......................

Scarlett isn't supposed to look like a child.....and Lohan can't act. and she's far too young for the role.
Lohan can act. I don't know what films you've seen, but from what I've seen she's very talented.
And I say this role is perfect for Lindsay.
Her career is beginning to go down the tubes, and a huge action picture will help it.
Plus she'll be going back to being a red head and have to put on weight for the role.

[BobJM]

Lohan isn't that bad of an actress, you're right, but that still doesn't mean she should in any way be connected to a G.I. Joe film.

I don't know why more people have not mentioned Kate Mara. She's not a huge A-lister, but she has talent worthy of that status. She looks the part, she has experience in an action film, and she's worked with Mark Wahlberg (who could possibly be the next Duke) and Lorenzo di Bonaventura.

Also, here's a few other casting choices that I've come up with:

DUKE........................... Mark Wahlberg
SCARLETT.................... Kate Mara
SNAKE-EYES................. Ray Park
TUNNEL RAT................. Paul Francis (II)

BARONESS.................... Rhona Mitra
STORM SHADOW............ Will Yun Lee

[Timstuff]

Lohan can act. I don't know what films you've seen, but from what I've seen she's very talented.
And I say this role is perfect for Lindsay.
Her career is beginning to go down the tubes, and a huge action picture will help it.
Plus she'll be going back to being a red head and have to put on weight for the role.

Her career is going down the tubes because she's a bratty drunk who parties like it's 1999 every other night. Why does she deserve to be part of GI Joe? :o

[OptimusCannabis]

I pretty much doubt Bay will be directing a G.I. Joe movie if they want the film out anytime soon. Since I am sure they are currently negotiating for him to return and helm TF 2.

With the way it is going Tranformers 2 will be done with before they even have a non-Di Bonaventure script.

[OptimusCannabis]

Lohan can act. I don't know what films you've seen, but from what I've seen she's very talented.
And I say this role is perfect for Lindsay.
Her career is beginning to go down the tubes, and a huge action picture will help it.
Plus she'll be going back to being a red head and have to put on weight for the role.

Glad someone agrees, thanks Speedball. Her acting ability(or lack there of) is not a concern for me. I imagine the problems with casting Ms. Lohan in this role would be her height(5'5") and age(21.) It's not realistic to have a 21 year old female as a key figure in an elite military organization. Of course, if she continues her wild ways she might look 32.

[Artist_Chick]

Lohan does not fit in the GI JOE realm. Unless she's an innocent bystander...who gets shot...with laser guns.

[OptimusCannabis]

Lohan isn't that bad of an actress, you're right, but that still doesn't mean she should in any way be connected to a G.I. Joe film.

I don't know why more people have not mentioned Kate Mara. She's not a huge A-lister, but she has talent worthy of that status. She looks the part, she has experience in an action film, and she's worked with Mark Wahlberg (who could possibly be the next Duke) and Lorenzo di Bonaventura.

Also, here's a few other casting choices that I've come up with:

DUKE........................... Mark Wahlberg
SCARLETT.................... Kate Mara
SNAKE-EYES................. Ray Park
TUNNEL RAT................. Paul Francis (II)

BARONESS.................... Rhona Mitra
STORM SHADOW............ Will Yun Lee

I see Mark Wahlberg as having the same problem as Lohan, too short(5'7".) Duke, in my opinion, needs to be at least 6'0".

Kate Mara is okay but still too young. Lohan is younger but I'd rather have her because she looks older and tougher than Mara.

Ray Park is a real good option for Snake Eyes but would he really be
intrested in another comic book/cartoon type of role?

Paul Francis appears too old, too tall, and too tough to be Tunnel Rat. I could however see him as Flint.

I like Rhona Mitra as Baroness except for... again, the height(5'6".)

Will Yun Lee as Sturm Shadow? Absolutely not. I lok at that guy with Storm Shadow and mind and do not see it whatsoever.

[OptimusCannabis]

Lohan does not fit in the GI JOE realm. Unless she's an innocent bystander...who gets shot...with laser guns.

I have a laser gun for her.:hyper:

[BobJM]

I see Mark Wahlberg as having the same problem as Lohan, too short(5'7".) Duke, in my opinion, needs to be at least 6'0".

Height is the least of Lohan's problems. And besides, if height is the only problem factor with Wahlberg, the right pair of boots can add an inch or more.

Kate Mara is okay but still too young. Lohan is younger but I'd rather have her because she looks older and tougher than Mara.By the time this film comes out (2010 or, more likely, later), Mara will be in her late 20s or early 30s. Give her a strict workout regime like Jessica Biel went through for Blade and she'll be perfect.

Ray Park is a real good option for Snake Eyes but would he really be intrested in another comic book/cartoon type of role?Last time I checked, Park hasn't really done too much lately. If offered the part, I'm sure he'd accept in a heartbeat.

Paul Francis appears too old, too tall, and too tough to be Tunnel Rat. I could however see him as Flint.If you see Francis in pictures from "Tears of the Sun", you'll see that he looks exactly like Tunnel Rat (not from Sigma Six, but the comics).

I like Rhona Mitra as Baroness except for... again, the height(5'6".)Is Baroness required to be tall? If she is, I'm sure the Baroness's wardrobe will require her to wear high heels.

Will Yun Lee as Sturm Shadow? Absolutely not. I lok at that guy with Storm Shadow and mind and do not see it whatsoever.Why not? He's Asian, has experience in action films (Die Another Day, Elektra...in which he wielded a sword), and he knows martial arts. You don't have to have an Oscar winning actor to portray a vengeful ninja who will probably do more fighting than talking.

[Artist_Chick]

I still want George Eads for Flint ...:( -sigh-

Radha Mitchell would be interesting to see as the baroness... dye her hair black, put on some leather and high heels and she's good.
http://img.actressarchives.com/radha/RadhaMitchel_Vespa_4336499.jpg

[Mr. Socko]

I'm a bit skeptical on all of this.

[BobJM]

Well, initially, everyone was skeptical of a Transformers movie, too. I'm sure this movie will turn out fine.

Will there be creative decisions that upset fans? Yes.
Is there always in comic adaptations? Yes.

[OptimusCannabis]

Height is the least of Lohan's problems. And besides, if height is the only problem factor with Wahlberg, the right pair of boots can add an inch or more.

Still, Wahlberg is too stocky to play Duke in my opinion. Duke is the consumate leader and regardless of what people say... size does matter, at least in this instance.

By the time this film comes out (2010 or, more likely, later), Mara will be in her late 20s or early 30s. Give her a strict workout regime like Jessica Biel went through for Blade and she'll be perfect.

I suppose, but hey... Jessica Biel wouldn't be a bad choice.
http://upx.primenova.com/2/jb/Bikini-WOW.jpg

For 21st century America sex sells and uh... yeah.

Plus, I think Scarlett should have strawberry blonde hair as oppesed to red.

If you see Francis in pictures from "Tears of the Sun", you'll see that he looks exactly like Tunnel Rat (not from Sigma Six, but the comics).

My guess is that Tunnel Rat will be used for light hearted comic relief and a happy little love story with Jinx.

Is Baroness required to be tall? If she is, I'm sure the Baroness's wardrobe will require her to wear high heels.

One problem with that is you really can't wear high heels in combat. I suggest Angelina Jolie.
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/sky_captain_and_the_world_of_tomorrow/angelina_jolie/franky2.jpg

Why not? He's Asian, has experience in action films (Die Another Day, Elektra...in which he wielded a sword), and he knows martial arts. You don't have to have an Oscar winning actor to portray a vengeful ninja who will probably do more fighting than talking.

I just think that Storm Shadow should look 'deeper' than Lee.

[OptimusCannabis]

I still want George Eads for Flint ...:( -sigh-

Radha Mitchell would be interesting to see as the baroness... dye her hair black, put on some leather and high heels and she's good.
http://img.actressarchives.com/radha/RadhaMitchel_Vespa_4336499.jpg

I have no idea who George Eads is but after seeing the pic you posted I will say this. He could definitely do it if he's not some damn soaps actor.

[Artist_Chick]

I have no idea who George Eads is but after seeing the pic you posted I will say this. He could definitely do it if he's not some damn soaps actor.


He plays Nick Stokes on CSI

[OptimusCannabis]

He plays Nick Stokes on CSI

He definitely looks the part. Who would you cast as Lady Jaye? Her and Flint(Eads) must have excellent chemistry.

[Chris B]

I've always considered myself to be more of a casual fan of GI Joe and believe that a live-action movie has potential. The problem with a lot of the recent scripts have been that they got Cobra completely wrong. Cobra Commander needs to be shown to be the leader from the begining of the movie.

I think that they shoud take a que from the first X-Men film and Transformers and try to keep the cast of characters small. The way I see it, they should limit the Joes to six members. Duke, Scarlett, Snake-Eyes, Roadblock, and Flint need to be there. I'm not sure who the sixth member could be. In regards to Cobra, I would focus on Cobra Commander, Destro, and the Baroness with guys like Dr. Mindbender, Major Bludd, and Zartan in supporting roles.

[OptimusCannabis]

I've always considered myself to be more of a casual fan of GI Joe and believe that a live-action movie has potential. The problem with a lot of the recent scripts have been that they got Cobra completely wrong. Cobra Commander needs to be shown to be the leader from the begining of the movie.

I think that they shoud take a que from the first X-Men film and Transformers and try to keep the cast of characters small. The way I see it, they should limit the Joes to six members. Duke, Scarlett, Snake-Eyes, Roadblock, and Flint need to be there. I'm not sure who the sixth member could be. In regards to Cobra, I would focus on Cobra Commander, Destro, and the Baroness with guys like Dr. Mindbender, Major Bludd, and Zartan in supporting roles.

As for the sixth member it would have to be Shipwreck. The six member Idea is good for the first film with sequels possibly adding more. Lady Jaye should be added at some point as well as Gung Ho, Stalker, Wild Bill, and possibly Falcon. Of course you would have cameos by other members as well here and there.

I also picture a JOE hierarchy behind th scenes type of story with Hawk, Gen. Flagg, Adm. Haul, the President, and G.I. Joe Colton himself.

The villains have a much shorter list to choose from so they could and, over three films, likley would be all included to some degree. I noticed you hadn't included Storm Shadow but I trust it was an honest mistake.

In addition to the villains you listed I would also like to see Firefly, Tomax & Xamot, and Serpentor to some degree above cameo.

Now that we know the characters we need a good plot(s.) Since most agree it should be at least a trilogy we will need one major plot to tie all three together and three subplots for each film. A novice and careless mistake would be to say 'Cobra is trying to take over the world and G.I. Joe is all that can stop them.' Although true on some level we would like there to be more depth to it, something outstanding.

[Artist_Chick]

He definitely looks the part. Who would you cast as Lady Jaye? Her and Flint(Eads) must have excellent chemistry.

I would cast me...because I will jump to any excuse to be in the arms of George Eads..LOL

But on a serious note...I'm not sure yet.
A few actress' pop into mind, although she's a bit overrated..Jessica Beil wouldn't be too bad. But I can see her more as CoverGirl.
Because Lady J is particularly European and Middle Eastern..she would have to look somewhat exotic. Though she's in as one of the original characters...I doubt that they would put her in.

Catherine Bell wouldn't be too shabby;)

http://gfx.download-by.net/screen/20/20617-catherine-bell-sex-e-screensaver.jpg

[Chris B]

As for the sixth member it would have to be Shipwreck. The six member Idea is good for the first film with sequels possibly adding more. Lady Jaye should be added at some point as well as Gung Ho, Stalker, Wild Bill, and possibly Falcon. Of course you would have cameos by other members as well here and there.

I also picture a JOE hierarchy behind th scenes type of story with Hawk, Gen. Flagg, Adm. Haul, the President, and G.I. Joe Colton himself.

The villains have a much shorter list to choose from so they could and, over three films, likley would be all included to some degree. I noticed you hadn't included Storm Shadow but I trust it was an honest mistake.

In addition to the villains you listed I would also like to see Firefly, Tomax & Xamot, and Serpentor to some degree above cameo.

Now that we know the characters we need a good plot(s.) Since most agree it should be at least a trilogy we will need one major plot to tie all three together and three subplots for each film. A novice and careless mistake would be to say 'Cobra is trying to take over the world and G.I. Joe is all that can stop them.' Although true on some level we would like there to be more depth to it, something outstanding.

I did forget about Storm Shadow. His rivalry with Snake-Eyes definately needs to be in the film. I agree that Shipwreck could work as the sixth Joe.

[Timstuff]

Here's an unconventional nom. for Duke that my brother suggested. Not quite sure how I feel about it.

http://www.islandconnections.com/images/rock/rock1.jpg

I mean, I know Duke should be tall and muscular, but do you think the Rock would be pushing things too far? Especially if they did as I hope they do and get Vin Diesel as Destro and Michael Clarke Duncan as Roadblock. If they've got too many big dudes in there, the set's gonna be crowded!

[Vile]

As far as Cobra goes, you really just need all the branches represented:

Cobra Commander - over everything.
Tomax and Xamot - Extensive Enterprises (Cobra's legit businesses) and the Crimson Gaurd
Destro and Baroness - M.A.R.S.
Zartan - Dreadnoks.

All other characters pretty much fall into any of those.

[3dman27]

what does the acronymM.A.R.S. stand for/the name of destro's cover buisness?

[BobJM]

This would be my cast of characters:

G.I. JOE

- Lt. Hawk
- Duke (1st in command)
- Scarlett (2nd in command)
- Snake-Eyes
- Heavy Duty
- Hi-Tech
- Wild Bill

COBRA

- Cobra Commander
- Destro
- Baroness
- Storm Shadow
- Dr. Mindbender

[OptimusCannabis]

Here's an unconventional nom. for Duke that my brother suggested. Not quite sure how I feel about it.

http://www.islandconnections.com/images/rock/rock1.jpg

I mean, I know Duke should be tall and muscular, but do you think the Rock would be pushing things too far? Especially if they did as I hope they do and get Vin Diesel as Destro and Michael Clarke Duncan as Roadblock. If they've got too many big dudes in there, the set's gonna be crowded!

The Rock as Duke? I don't think so, too many tatoos and Duke is a blonde haired white boy.

Vin Diesel as Destro just isn't right.

Ving Rhames would be better for Roadblock than Duncan.

[Vile]

what does the acronymM.A.R.S. stand for/the name of destro's cover buisness?


M.A.R.S. stands for Military Armarments Research Syndicate.

As far as a 'cover business' I dont think Destro has one - its pretty much well known that something like (If i remember correctly) 70% of the worlds arms come from him, making him somewhat untouchable unless certain countries want information to be leaked out.

[OptimusCannabis]

This would be my cast of characters:

G.I. JOE

- Lt. Hawk
- Duke (1st in command)
- Scarlett (2nd in command)
- Snake-Eyes
- Heavy Duty
- Hi-Tech
- Wild Bill

COBRA

- Cobra Commander
- Destro
- Baroness
- Storm Shadow
- Dr. Mindbender

Heavy Duty and High Tech? Why? If they are in it in a major way that almost garauntee's it will be aimed at the younger generation of JOE fans. They need to come to a comfortable median between the original JOE team and the newest one.

That is:
Duke
Snake Eyes
Scarlett
Flint
Lady Jaye
Road Block
and possibly Gung Ho, Shipwreck, Wild Bill, and maybe Falcon.

They can't go wrong with the Cobra's as long as they do at least a trilogy. One thing I didn't like about the X-Men trilogy was the lopsided number of main villains to main heroes. The X-Men had Xavier, Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Jean Grey, and Rogue. The villains were primarily Magneto and Mystique. They should have used Juggernaut and Sabertooth more, amongst others. The Cobras should at least be Cobra Commander, Destro, Baroness, Storm Shadow, and Zartan with more prominent roles. Dr. Mindbender, Major Bludd, Tomax and Xamot, and Firefly should also have pretty significant roles over a trilogy.

I am basing what G.I. Joe SHOULD be on what I didn't like in other comic book/compilation cast movies. One, is MORE VILLAINS!!! X-Men is a great example of what G.I. Joe may be so I am being more critical of it than usual. The X-Men series was lacking something I can't put my finger on yet, moreso than the lack of Villains . That unknown something could be the key to making a potential G.I. Joe franchise successfu at the box office as well as the reviews.

One possible answer to X-Men's 'problem' is the lack of depth to the villains. As I think about it now that trilogy was really bad due to how the villains were handled. Magneto and Mystique just did not 'feel' like really bad people. Their was no reason to root against them, hence no reason to root for the X-Men. I'm convinced now, this trilogy sucked. It was all bout Wolverine being a bad-ass rebel without a cause. Yeah, Hugh Jackman/Wolverine stole the show and THAT WAS THE PROBLEM!!! Wolverine was the focal point and he had no direct foe!!!

I guess that means something will have to be done different with Snake Eyes or we'll have another X-Men trilogy on our hands called G.I. Joe. They either need to feature Storm Shadow in a far greater way than Sabertooth and have him and Snake Eye's included only as a pair of sorts OR reduce Snake Eyes role significatly, maybe even both.

[tamron]

Hawk - Alec Baldwin
Duke - Mark Wahlberg
Flint - Ben Browder
Scarlett - Jessica Biel
Snake Eyes - Ray Park
Roadblock - Ving Rhames or Terry Crews
Lady Jaye - Evangeline Lilly
Shipwreck - Peter Reckell

Destro - Arnold Vosloo
Dr. Mindbender - John Malkovich
Baroness - Jill Hennessey
Zartan - Sean Bean
Tomax/Xamot - Jonathan Rhys Meyers
Storm Shadow - Donnie Yen or Jason Scott Lee

For Cobra Commander, it's gotta be someone who can pull it off without facial expressions, just voice and posture. I would say Hugo Weaving, but that seems cliche. Alan Rickman? Bruce Payne? I don't have a front-runner at present.

Larry Hama should have a cameo as Hard Master.

[OptimusCannabis]

Ya know, we could make a pretty good G.I. Joe movie if we worked together. Anything would be better than watching Hollywood fu** up another great concept.

And I bet the biggest stumbling block will be 'First Moves.' Which brings me to my next point - THE FIRST THING YOU NEED IS A TITLE!

G.I. Joe, part 1: First Moves.

[3dman27]

M.A.R.S. stands for Military Armarments Research Syndicate.

As far as a 'cover business' I dont think Destro has one - its pretty much well known that something like (If i remember correctly) 70% of the worlds arms come from him, making him somewhat untouchable unless certain countries want information to be leaked out.

thanks vile

[Timstuff]

The Rock as Duke? I don't think so, too many tatoos and Duke is a blonde haired white boy.

Vin Diesel as Destro just isn't right.

Ving Rhames would be better for Roadblock than Duncan.

I agree that The Rock isn't right for Duke (but FYI, those tatoos aren't real. They were for "The Rundown"), and I don't know why I hadn't thought of Ving Rhames as Roadblock. But c'mon, how can you say Vin Diesel isn't perfect for Destro?

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3078/destro3qt3.jpg

http://www.gabbyattic3.com/truepix/vin%20diesel.jpg

[KenK]

I agree that The Rock isn't right for Duke (but FYI, those tatoos aren't real. They were for "The Rundown"), and I don't know why I hadn't thought of Ving Rhames as Roadblock. But c'mon, how can you say Vin Diesel isn't perfect for Destro?

Yeah, but he does have some tribal tattoos covering a hefty portion of his upper body.

I'm just wondering how they could pull of Destro's mask. I suppose a good frame of reference would be the makeup for Silver Surfer's depowered look in Fantastic Four 2.

[OptimusCannabis]

I agree that The Rock isn't right for Duke (but FYI, those tatoos aren't real. They were for "The Rundown"), and I don't know why I hadn't thought of Ving Rhames as Roadblock. But c'mon, how can you say Vin Diesel isn't perfect for Destro?

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3078/destro3qt3.jpg

http://www.gabbyattic3.com/truepix/vin%20diesel.jpg

If Dwayne Johnson's tattoos(hot all are fake) could be removed or ediited out I would sa he had a 25% chance at playing Duke. I just don't want a change that dramatic.


Vin Diesel is anything BUT perfect for Destro. A.) Destro is British B.) He's an older gentleman C.) He 100% white. Sorry to be the one to tell you this but Vin Diesel is not an old, white, british dude.

[OptimusCannabis]

Yeah, but he does have some tribal tattoos covering a hefty portion of his upper body.

I'm just wondering how they could pull of Destro's mask. I suppose a good frame of reference would be the makeup for Silver Surfer's depowered look in Fantastic Four 2.

A Mask could be easily constructed by the proper metalsworker. Much like the latex/plastics type masks used in Hollywood the actual process itself is not that difficult. One, set a die of Destro's head. Two, let the cast become cool and solid. Finally, open the die and simply pull out the casting. Of course it sounds easy but that is basicasly what you have to do. I'm not sure of the exact metals you'd want to use but I am particularily fond of the gold-masked Destro. An actual die casting of a gold mask would look phenomenal if shot right and... make the movie golden, maybe?:huh:

[KenK]

Vin Diesel is anything BUT perfect for Destro. A.) Destro is British

Actually, he's of Scottish descent. But bis voice in the cartoon gave no indication of where he was from.

B.) He's an older gentleman

Diesel's 40. How old does Destro really need to be.

C.) He 100% white. Sorry to be the one to tell you this but Vin Diesel is not an old, white, british dude.

Between the fact that you can hardly assign one race to Diesel over another, and the fact that he'd be wearing a silver mask on his face the whole time, I can't see it being that major of an issue.

OT: Destro actually has a bi-racial son in the latest comic book.

[Whiskey Tango]

Sorry to be the one to tell you this but Vin Diesel is not an old, white, british dude.

Neither is Destro. He's Scottish, as Artist_Chick pointed out on the last page.

Regardless, Vin isn't the best choice, I agree with you on that.

[Vile]

thanks vile

We aim to please. =)

[Artist_Chick]

Yup...Destro(James McCullen Destro) is a Scottsman. He did have a scottish accent in the cartoon- it wasn't very thick, but he did have a very deep tone to his voice. I think he was played by two or three different voice actors in a few series'.
Vin D is a terrible choice for him...just because he's bald and muscular doesn't mean he's the right fit.

http://www.yojoe.com/filecard/01/destro6b.jpg
:)

[OptimusCannabis]

Actually, he's of Scottish descent. But bis voice in the cartoon gave no indication of where he was from.



Diesel's 40. How old does Destro really need to be.



Between the fact that you can hardly assign one race to Diesel over another, and the fact that he'd be wearing a silver mask on his face the whole time, I can't see it being that major of an issue.

OT: Destro actually has a bi-racial son in the latest comic book.

There you go then, Diesel can be Destro's son.

[Timstuff]

Here's an old pic of a maskless Destro, from a comic I think. I dunno guys, for some reason I really see Vin Diesel in there...

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/7964/destro1uf7.gif

[Whiskey Tango]

Here's an old pic of a maskless Destro, from a comic I think. I dunno guys, for some reason I really see Vin Diesel in there...

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/7964/destro1uf7.gif

Funny. He looks like Norman Osborn.

[Timstuff]

ROTFLOL!

Hmm... William Dafoe could be an interesting choice for the role, actually. But I'd still really like someone who's totally jacked, like Vin Diesel. And I'm sure that Dafoe has already had his fill of helmet-clad madmen. :p

[OptimusCannabis]

Here's an old pic of a maskless Destro, from a comic I think. I dunno guys, for some reason I really see Vin Diesel in there...

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/7964/destro1uf7.gif

If Diesel is your Destro, I would hate to see who else you would cast. Seriously, he looks like Pierce Brosnan and I don't want him as Destro.

[OptimusCannabis]

Heavy Duty and High Tech? Why? If they are in it in a major way that almost garauntee's it will be aimed at the younger generation of JOE fans. They need to come to a comfortable median between the original JOE team and the newest one.

That is:
Duke
Snake Eyes
Scarlett
Flint
Lady Jaye
Road Block
and possibly Gung Ho, Shipwreck, Wild Bill, and maybe Falcon.

They can't go wrong with the Cobra's as long as they do at least a trilogy. One thing I didn't like about the X-Men trilogy was the lopsided number of main villains to main heroes. The X-Men had Xavier, Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Jean Grey, and Rogue. The villains were primarily Magneto and Mystique. They should have used Juggernaut and Sabertooth more, amongst others. The Cobras should at least be Cobra Commander, Destro, Baroness, Storm Shadow, and Zartan with more prominent roles. Dr. Mindbender, Major Bludd, Tomax and Xamot, and Firefly should also have pretty significant roles over a trilogy.

I am basing what G.I. Joe SHOULD be on what I didn't like in other comic book/compilation cast movies. One, is MORE VILLAINS!!! X-Men is a great example of what G.I. Joe may be so I am being more critical of it than usual. The X-Men series was lacking something I can't put my finger on yet, moreso than the lack of Villains . That unknown something could be the key to making a potential G.I. Joe franchise successfu at the box office as well as the reviews.

One possible answer to X-Men's 'problem' is the lack of depth to the villains. As I think about it now that trilogy was really bad due to how the villains were handled. Magneto and Mystique just did not 'feel' like really bad people. Their was no reason to root against them, hence no reason to root for the X-Men. I'm convinced now, this trilogy sucked. It was all bout Wolverine being a bad-ass rebel without a cause. Yeah, Hugh Jackman/Wolverine stole the show and THAT WAS THE PROBLEM!!! Wolverine was the focal point and he had no direct foe!!!

I guess that means something will have to be done different with Snake Eyes or we'll have another X-Men trilogy on our hands called G.I. Joe. They either need to feature Storm Shadow in a far greater way than Sabertooth and have him and Snake Eye's included only as a pair of sorts OR reduce Snake Eyes role significatly, maybe even both.


It may be best to have tWo director teams and tWo totally seperate stories for a G.I. Joe saga. One team and story for the main G.I. Joe vs. Cobra story and another team for the Snake Eyes-STorm Shadow story. YES!!! THAT IS THE WAY TO DO IT!!!:hyper:

It would also make it much easier to film a Snake Eyes spin off. The best chance at success is to write the Snake Eyes spin off FIRST! Then connect it to the G.I. Joe movie!!! I realize it's an expensive gamble for a studio but... at worst they have two one-hundred-and-fifty million dollar movies, they will break even at minimum.

That doesn't include the very possible sequels to follow each. Minimum break even with at least a billion dollars made. These movies should be done, if for nothing else - to go through a billion dollars.

[OptimusCannabis]

Snake Eyes story is a very intresting one and could easily be a movie or two. Below is his story up until the reformation of G.I. Joe.

At the time of his enlistment, Snake Eyes closest tie in life was to his twin sister, Theresa. He carried her picture with him during his military time. His first work in a top secret mission was with Lonzo "Stalker" Wilkinson and Tommy "Storm Shadow" Arashikage in 1968 Saigon during the Tet offensive. There, Snake Eyes witnessed the murder of Baron Eugene DeCobray in his own warehouse. DeCobray’s sister, Anastasia, entered the scene moments after and believed Snake Eyes had commited the murder when in fact it was two Vietnamese. This caused Anastasia to become the one most JOE fans know as Baroness Anastasia DeCobray. She took up a fight against the military in the belief they had killed a good man in her brother. Snake Eyes was charged with the murder but eventually cleared of all charges by Scottish weapons dealer James McMullen Destro XXIII, accompanied by his son James McMullen Destro XXIV.

Six months into Snake Eyes first tour he was badly wounded. Tommy, against Lonzo’s orders, put his own life at risk to retrieve the wounded Snake Eyes. Snake Eyes returned to the United States only to be met with horrific news. An officer named Clayton "Hawk" Abernathy met him at the airport and told him his parents and sister had died just hours before in a car crash. Snake Eyes wandered the streets in a drunken rage for months, he was crushed.

Tommy finally tracked him down but was unable to get him off the streets and to his home in Japan.

What happened next is one of the most bizarre instances in the history of G.I. Joe and perhaps the key to the whole story. While on the streets Snake Eyes met a man. The man contracted him for a job, executing ‘vigilante justice’ all throughout the country. The relationship ended one night when the two broke in to a judge’s house. The judge, had ruined the man’s brother’s life by seizing all of his brothers assets for supposedly burning down his OWN 3/4 house that he opened after the war. He said that the judge had caused his brother to begin drinking heavily and then, the man revealed the truth to Snake Eyes. His brother was the drunk driver that had killed Snake Eyes family. He told Snake Eyes the judge had caused the deaths of their families and handed him a gun, telling him to kill him... Snake Eyes refused, and the man killed the judge. Snake Eyes fled and hoped to never see that man again. He went to Japan to start a new life with Tommy’s family.

During the first tour Tommy had offered a position in the ‘family business’ to Snake Eyes. That ‘business’ was that of a ninja clan. Snake Eye’s finally took him up on the offer. For years, he trained under Tommy’s uncles, the Soft Master and the Hard Master. Snake Eyes felt the sense of family again and Tommy was like his brother. Together, they stopped a rebellious take over of the clan and Tommy’s uncles began seeing him as the future leader of the clan. Tommy began having problems with that and a jealous, resentful rivalry began. Snake Eyes, on the other hand, was finding peace with himself. Then, tragedy struck again.

The man who had hired Snake Eyes years ago had found him and hired two mercenaries, Firefly and Zartan to kill him.. Zartan, infiltrated the clan and stole one of Storm Shadows arrows. He used the arrow to kill the man he believed to be Snake Eye’s, the Hard Master.
Storm Shadow immediately left to find his uncle’s killer. He eventually found the man had killed the judge, the man who had ordered the death of Snake Eyes, the man who’s brother killed Snake Eye’s family. His name was Cobra Commander.

The Arashikage clan dissintegrated and Snake Eyes was alone once again. He moved into a cabin in the High Sierra’s and lived alone with his wolf, Timber.

Then, along came G.I. Joe. Hawk and Stalker were comprising the list of potential JOES and both agreed on Snake Eyes as a team member. When they approached Snake Eyes at his cabin he accepted, but only if he could take Timber. They agreed.

While in G.I. Joe, Snake Eyes became closest to Scarlett and they began their long relationship.

On an early mission with Scarlett, Grunt, and Rock & Roll, Snake Eyes saved Scarlett from a burning helicopter. A window exploded in Snake Eyes face though, scarring him badly and damaging his vocal cords. Despite injury, he convinced Hawk to let him complete the mission.

Ironically enough, the mission was to save diplomat George Strawhacker, Theresa’s fiancé. The Cobra’s pretended they were the prisoner and only Snake Eyes recognized the imposters, only he knew what George looked like.

Due to his injuries he could no longer speak and wore a dark mask. Still, he was a vital member to the team for years and involded in many important missions. The first being the rescue of Dr. Adele Burkhart from Cobra. The most important though were the attempts and eventual success in bringing down Dr. Venom with the help of his late friend, Kwinn.

Meanwhile, Storm Shadow had infiltrated Cobra in attempt to find his Uncle’s killer and had gained enough trust to become Cobra Commanders bodyguard.

Months after the failed attack by G.I. Joe on Cobra Island both Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow received a message from the Soft Master. The Hard Masters killer was Zartan. Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow then disappeared for awhile in search of Zartan, whom they finally tracked to Cobra Island. Zartan disguised himself as Ripcord who had landed on the island and was being rescued by the JOES at the time Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow were there. It was there that Scarlett saw Snake Eyes and got his attention by saying ‘Yo, Joe!’ In their attempt to escape, Baroness shot Storm Shadow for being a traitor and he was presumed dead.

After the Battle of Springfield however, he snuck into the G.I. Joe HQ and revealed he had been revived by the same methods used to create Serpentor. Tommy told Snake Eyes he was tired of living for revenge. Snake Eye’s gave him the keys to what was left of his cabin and let him stay there to sort out his life.

In an attempt to repair his severly damaged face, Snake Eyes checked into a hospital for reconstructive surgery. The Baroness, still seeking revenge for her brother, somehow found out Snake Eyes was there and while he was under sedation - attacked the hospital. Baroness captured Snake Eyes and shot Scarlett in the head. Snake Eye’s eventually escaped and Destro revealed to Baroness that Snake Eye’s had NOT killed her brother.

Scarlett remained in a coma but Snake Eyes believed she was dead. Storm Shadow performed the "Arashikage Mind Set" on Snake Eyes , allowing him to forget the sorrow over Scarlett’s apparent death by going on a mission to Borovia(kind of like Total Recall.) Snake Eyes came out of it to find out Scarlett survived. He continued doing missions for G.I. Joe, including the Battle of Benzheen with many JOE casualties. In the battle at Destro’s castle in Trans-Carpathia he assisted Destro in breaking his ties with Cobra.
Scarlett apparently had joined Cobra there, Snake Eyes was devastated. That was, until he discovered it was a ploy to allow her to infiltrate Cobra. He helped rescue her during a battle in Millville.

Snake-Eyes and Scarlett lived in his rebuilt cabin together for awhile. Unfortunately, he was called back to duty. In 1994, on one of his last missions, the JOES attacked Destro’s castle in East Europe. Cobra Commander had taken it over and brainwashed Storm Shadow and many other former members. They had all sworn allegiance to Cobra and fought against the JOES. He attempted to free Tommy but failed. Shortly after, the Pentagon ordered the shutdown of G.I. Joe. At the final ceremonies in Utah, the JOES "retired the colors" and left the Pit an abandoned base. After the shut down, Snake Eyes went on one last mission with members of the team against Cobra. He encountered Tommy their, who remained a Cobra.

[Chris B]

Hawk - Alec Baldwin
Duke - Mark Wahlberg
Flint - Ben Browder
Scarlett - Jessica Biel
Snake Eyes - Ray Park
Roadblock - Ving Rhames or Terry Crews
Lady Jaye - Evangeline Lilly
Shipwreck - Peter Reckell

Destro - Arnold Vosloo
Dr. Mindbender - John Malkovich
Baroness - Jill Hennessey
Zartan - Sean Bean
Tomax/Xamot - Jonathan Rhys Meyers
Storm Shadow - Donnie Yen or Jason Scott Lee

For Cobra Commander, it's gotta be someone who can pull it off without facial expressions, just voice and posture. I would say Hugo Weaving, but that seems cliche. Alan Rickman? Bruce Payne? I don't have a front-runner at present.

Larry Hama should have a cameo as Hard Master.


I like the cast you outlined. Some changes I would make though are that I would prefer Viggo Mortensen as Destro and Willem DaFoe as Cobra Commander.

[OptimusCannabis]

I like the cast you outlined. Some changes I would make though are that I would prefer Viggo Mortensen as Destro and Willem DaFoe as Cobra Commander.

After re-reading the synopsis of Snake Eyes story I've come to realize one thing about G.I. JOE - Snake Eyes is the key, he always has been. You can't get by with Ray Park as Snake Eyes, sorry.
I thought he might work for the part but not now. As for who - I don't know. Obviously martial arts experience is a huge plus. I also think it's better that whoever plays Snake EYes is a natural blonde as opposed to just being dyed.

[OptimusCannabis]

I'm suggesting Steve Burton, from Steven Spielberg's "Taken," for the part of Snake Eyes. A little gay but I think he could fit the part.
http://www.hitace.com/images/steve_burton/steve_burton_ha.jpg (http://www.malecelebrities.com/RS/rsid-387891/marker-hitace/c-195-3-3995/)

[TheVileOne]

Burton's currently a soap actor on General Hospital. He was also the voice of Cloud in the Kingdom Hearts games and Final Fantasy: Advent Children.

Snake Eyes is generally silent, so you need a performer with tremendous physicality and can express a myriad of emotions not just with his face covered, but never speaking, and only with body language.

One would think someone with mime training would be best for that.

I think that's why people have suggested Ray Park since in almost all his roles he's had to create his characters physically more than anything else.

You could get someone to play Snake Eyes in uniform and someone else to play him out of uniform though.

[3dman27]

Snake Eyes story is a very intresting one and could easily be a movie or two. Below is his story up until the reformation of G.I. Joe.

At the time of his enlistment, Snake Eyes closest tie in life was to his twin sister, Theresa. He carried her picture with him during his military time. His first work in a top secret mission was with Lonzo "Stalker" Wilkinson and Tommy "Storm Shadow" Arashikage in 1968 Saigon during the Tet offensive. There, Snake Eyes witnessed the murder of Baron Eugene DeCobray in his own warehouse. DeCobray’s sister, Anastasia, entered the scene moments after and believed Snake Eyes had commited the murder when in fact it was two Vietnamese. This caused Anastasia to become the one most JOE fans know as Baroness Anastasia DeCobray. She took up a fight against the military in the belief they had killed a good man in her brother. Snake Eyes was charged with the murder but eventually cleared of all charges by Scottish weapons dealer James McMullen Destro XXIII, accompanied by his son James McMullen Destro XXIV.

Six months into Snake Eyes first tour he was badly wounded. Tommy, against Lonzo’s orders, put his own life at risk to retrieve the wounded Snake Eyes. Snake Eyes returned to the United States only to be met with horrific news. An officer named Clayton "Hawk" Abernathy met him at the airport and told him his parents and sister had died just hours before in a car crash. Snake Eyes wandered the streets in a drunken rage for months, he was crushed.

Tommy finally tracked him down but was unable to get him off the streets and to his home in Japan.

What happened next is one of the most bizarre instances in the history of G.I. Joe and perhaps the key to the whole story. While on the streets Snake Eyes met a man. The man contracted him for a job, executing ‘vigilante justice’ all throughout the country. The relationship ended one night when the two broke in to a judge’s house. The judge, had ruined the man’s brother’s life by seizing all of his brothers assets for supposedly burning down his OWN 3/4 house that he opened after the war. He said that the judge had caused his brother to begin drinking heavily and then, the man revealed the truth to Snake Eyes. His brother was the drunk driver that had killed Snake Eyes family. He told Snake Eyes the judge had caused the deaths of their families and handed him a gun, telling him to kill him... Snake Eyes refused, and the man killed the judge. Snake Eyes fled and hoped to never see that man again. He went to Japan to start a new life with Tommy’s family.

During the first tour Tommy had offered a position in the ‘family business’ to Snake Eyes. That ‘business’ was that of a ninja clan. Snake Eye’s finally took him up on the offer. For years, he trained under Tommy’s uncles, the Soft Master and the Hard Master. Snake Eyes felt the sense of family again and Tommy was like his brother. Together, they stopped a rebellious take over of the clan and Tommy’s uncles began seeing him as the future leader of the clan. Tommy began having problems with that and a jealous, resentful rivalry began. Snake Eyes, on the other hand, was finding peace with himself. Then, tragedy struck again.

The man who had hired Snake Eyes years ago had found him and hired two mercenaries, Firefly and Zartan to kill him.. Zartan, infiltrated the clan and stole one of Storm Shadows arrows. He used the arrow to kill the man he believed to be Snake Eye’s, the Hard Master.
Storm Shadow immediately left to find his uncle’s killer. He eventually found the man had killed the judge, the man who had ordered the death of Snake Eyes, the man who’s brother killed Snake Eye’s family. His name was Cobra Commander.

The Arashikage clan dissintegrated and Snake Eyes was alone once again. He moved into a cabin in the High Sierra’s and lived alone with his wolf, Timber.

Then, along came G.I. Joe. Hawk and Stalker were comprising the list of potential JOES and both agreed on Snake Eyes as a team member. When they approached Snake Eyes at his cabin he accepted, but only if he could take Timber. They agreed.

While in G.I. Joe, Snake Eyes became closest to Scarlett and they began their long relationship.

On an early mission with Scarlett, Grunt, and Rock & Roll, Snake Eyes saved Scarlett from a burning helicopter. A window exploded in Snake Eyes face though, scarring him badly and damaging his vocal cords. Despite injury, he convinced Hawk to let him complete the mission.

Ironically enough, the mission was to save diplomat George Strawhacker, Theresa’s fiancé. The Cobra’s pretended they were the prisoner and only Snake Eyes recognized the imposters, only he knew what George looked like.

Due to his injuries he could no longer speak and wore a dark mask. Still, he was a vital member to the team for years and involded in many important missions. The first being the rescue of Dr. Adele Burkhart from Cobra. The most important though were the attempts and eventual success in bringing down Dr. Venom with the help of his late friend, Kwinn.

Meanwhile, Storm Shadow had infiltrated Cobra in attempt to find his Uncle’s killer and had gained enough trust to become Cobra Commanders bodyguard.

Months after the failed attack by G.I. Joe on Cobra Island both Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow received a message from the Soft Master. The Hard Masters killer was Zartan. Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow then disappeared for awhile in search of Zartan, whom they finally tracked to Cobra Island. Zartan disguised himself as Ripcord who had landed on the island and was being rescued by the JOES at the time Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow were there. It was there that Scarlett saw Snake Eyes and got his attention by saying ‘Yo, Joe!’ In their attempt to escape, Baroness shot Storm Shadow for being a traitor and he was presumed dead.

After the Battle of Springfield however, he snuck into the G.I. Joe HQ and revealed he had been revived by the same methods used to create Serpentor. Tommy told Snake Eyes he was tired of living for revenge. Snake Eye’s gave him the keys to what was left of his cabin and let him stay there to sort out his life.

In an attempt to repair his severly damaged face, Snake Eyes checked into a hospital for reconstructive surgery. The Baroness, still seeking revenge for her brother, somehow found out Snake Eyes was there and while he was under sedation - attacked the hospital. Baroness captured Snake Eyes and shot Scarlett in the head. Snake Eye’s eventually escaped and Destro revealed to Baroness that Snake Eye’s had NOT killed her brother.

Scarlett remained in a coma but Snake Eyes believed she was dead. Storm Shadow performed the "Arashikage Mind Set" on Snake Eyes , allowing him to forget the sorrow over Scarlett’s apparent death by going on a mission to Borovia(kind of like Total Recall.) Snake Eyes came out of it to find out Scarlett survived. He continued doing missions for G.I. Joe, including the Battle of Benzheen with many JOE casualties. In the battle at Destro’s castle in Trans-Carpathia he assisted Destro in breaking his ties with Cobra.
Scarlett apparently had joined Cobra there, Snake Eyes was devastated. That was, until he discovered it was a ploy to allow her to infiltrate Cobra. He helped rescue her during a battle in Millville.

Snake-Eyes and Scarlett lived in his rebuilt cabin together for awhile. Unfortunately, he was called back to duty. In 1994, on one of his last missions, the JOES attacked Destro’s castle in East Europe. Cobra Commander had taken it over and brainwashed Storm Shadow and many other former members. They had all sworn allegiance to Cobra and fought against the JOES. He attempted to free Tommy but failed. Shortly after, the Pentagon ordered the shutdown of G.I. Joe. At the final ceremonies in Utah, the JOES "retired the colors" and left the Pit an abandoned base. After the shut down, Snake Eyes went on one last mission with members of the team against Cobra. He encountered Tommy their, who remained a Cobra.this is very impressive you should writ for comics professionally

[OptimusCannabis]

this is very impressive you should writ for comics professionally

Well I didn't exactly write it. I basically read the story at the G.I. Joe homepage and put it in my own words. Thanks anyways.

[OptimusCannabis]

Burton's currently a soap actor on General Hospital. He was also the voice of Cloud in the Kingdom Hearts games and Final Fantasy: Advent Children.

Snake Eyes is generally silent, so you need a performer with tremendous physicality and can express a myriad of emotions not just with his face covered, but never speaking, and only with body language.

One would think someone with mime training would be best for that.

I think that's why people have suggested Ray Park since in almost all his roles he's had to create his characters physically more than anything else.

You could get someone to play Snake Eyes in uniform and someone else to play him out of uniform though.

The intresting thing is that Snake Eyes doesn't lose his voice and become scarred until about 2/3 through the story. If they don't release the 'Snake Eyes' solo-title first they could actually use this story as the basis for a franchise with Snake Eyes AS the focal point. I actually now think it is critical to give the audience the speaking, unscarred Snake Eyes FIRST. This way the audience can build empathy for the character and actually care what happens to him.That was one of X-Men's big mistakes. Wolverine was the main character but the audience had no reason to empathize or care about him. There was no emotional ties to the movie. They should have done the Wolverine movie first.

I am 100% sure this is the story to use, be it for a "Snake Eyes" solo title or the G.I. Joe series itself. Make no mistakes, THIS IS THE STORY!

[Timstuff]

I think Tony Jaa could be awesome as Snake Eyes! I don't care if Snake Eyes was originally a blond white guy!

Something you have to remember is that SE is going to do very little, if any talking in GI Joe. Ray Park is used to playing silent roles and having his face covered (lol, poor guy), and it doesn't matter if Tony Jaa doesn't speak fluent english since he won't be talking much anyway.

Anyway, even though SE is my favorite Joe, I don't want to see the entire story revolving around him. He should be totally awesome, but used with restraint. Duke is still the leader and flagship character of GI Joe, and if Snake Eyes is presented as a really cool supporting character rather than the main character, that will only make him more awesome. Snake Eyes fans should leave the theater hoping for more of him in the sequels.

[tamron]

I like the cast you outlined. Some changes I would make though are that I would prefer Viggo Mortensen as Destro and Willem DaFoe as Cobra Commander.

Thanks.

Were I writing the script, Destro, and especially CC and Snake Eyes, would not unmask, at least not in the first installment. Those characters, CC and Snake Eyes in particular, started out with an aire of mystery around them, and I'd want to establish that in the film series. To get names like Viggo and DaFoe, I'd be afraid it could lead to Spider-Man type moments where they're unmasked frequently, and I'd really hate to see that.

SE's origin shouldn't even be mentioned in the first film, IMHO. He should just be a silent badass, and wait for the sequels to develop his character. Establish the Joe Universe first, then focus on him, b/c I wouldn't want it to be Snake Eyes and the Joes the way the X-Men series became Logan and the X-Men.

But if Snake Eyes origin were the focus, I'd want Brian J. White as Stalker, Jason Statham as Firefly.

[OptimusCannabis]

I think Tony Jaa could be awesome as Snake Eyes! I don't care if Snake Eyes was originally a blond white guy!

Something you have to remember is that SE is going to do very little, if any talking in GI Joe. Ray Park is used to playing silent roles and having his face covered (lol, poor guy), and it doesn't matter if Tony Jaa doesn't speak fluent english since he won't be talking much anyway.

Anyway, even though SE is my favorite Joe, I don't want to see the entire story revolving around him. He should be totally awesome, but used with restraint. Duke is still the leader and flagship character of GI Joe, and if Snake Eyes is presented as a really cool supporting character rather than the main character, that will only make him more awesome. Snake Eyes fans should leave the theater hoping for more of him in the sequels.

Actually, what should be done is write a synopsis for each of the main characters story as if each were going to get a solo film. This should probably be done for Snake Eyes(done), Duke, Scarlett, Roadblock, Flint, and Shipwreck or Lady Jaye or Gung Ho - whomever is chosen as the sixth. The same could be done for Cobra Commander, Destro, Baroness, Storm Shadow, Zartan, and maybe Firefly or Mindbender or Tomax & Xamot. Somewhere at the core of all that you will get the right story to use for a G.I. Joe movie. I assure you, it doesn't include Heavy Duty or
Hi-Tech.:dry:

On a side note, I believe it is very important to let the audience know Snake Eyes before his injuries, as well as after. They would be rooting for him all the more.

[OptimusCannabis]

Thanks.

Were I writing the script, Destro, and especially CC and Snake Eyes, would not unmask, at least not in the first installment. Those characters, CC and Snake Eyes in particular, started out with an aire of mystery around them, and I'd want to establish that in the film series. To get names like Viggo and DaFoe, I'd be afraid it could lead to Spider-Man type moments where they're unmasked frequently, and I'd really hate to see that.

SE's origin shouldn't even be mentioned in the first film, IMHO. He should just be a silent badass, and wait for the sequels to develop his character. Establish the Joe Universe first, then focus on him, b/c I wouldn't want it to be Snake Eyes and the Joes the way the X-Men series became Logan and the X-Men.

Snake Eyes has to be the focal point, no questions asked, or have limited to know screen time at first. The latter, is under the assumption that a Snake Eyes solo-film is already scripted and merely on hold for the G.I. JOE series to climax or end.

But if Snake Eyes origin were the focus, I'd want Brian J. White as Stalker, Jason Statham as Firefly.

I think having a 'badass' character who is not the main character and has no direct motive or enemy laid forth for the G.I. Joe illiterate would be a colossal mistake. You'd end up with X-Men all over again, only this time Wolverine would be Snake -Eyes.

[tamron]

I think having a 'badass' character who is not the main character and has no direct motive or enemy laid forth for the G.I. Joe illiterate would be a colossal mistake. You'd end up with X-Men all over again, only this time Wolverine would be Snake -Eyes.

Wasn't that my argument?

The X-Men movies were mostly about Wolverine. They focused on his quest to discover his past and his search for a home and a purpose. He was the lense the films were seen through; ultimately a focus that detracted from the team dynamic. He certainly had a direct motive and enemy in every X-Men film. (X1: Sabretooth/Magneto, X2: Stryker/Deathstrike X3: Phoenix) Making SE's origin serve as a GI Joe film's spine would ultimately have the same effect.

In my dream GI Joe film, Snake Eyes would have character and a motive, as his history with Storm Shadow would be alluded to. I'm just saying he shouldn't be the film's driving force. GI Joe is a team, and the film and its focus should present that. A balance can be struck.

[CobraCommander]

I'm with Tamrom.

[OptimusCannabis]

Wasn't that my argument?

The X-Men movies were mostly about Wolverine. They focused on his quest to discover his past and his quest for a home and a purpose. He was the lense for which the films were seen through, ultimately detracting from the team dynamic. He certainly had a direct motive and enemy in every X-Men film. (X1:Sabretooth/Magneto, X2: Stryker/Deathstrike X3: Phoenix) Making SE's origin serve as a GI Joe film's spine would ultimately have the same effect.

Well then it was poorly done because I had no sense of Wolverine alone being in direct conflict with anyone. You ask most people who the main hero and main villain were in X-Men and most will say Wolverine and Magneto. Yet - there was no real, personal, deep feud between them. If they wanted that to be the main battle they should have dedicated a film as to why they were feuding, personally. That's what I am saying to possibly do for G.I. JOE. If Snake Eyes and Cobra Commander are to be the two biggest opposing forces then they NEED to dedicate the first film to Snake Eyes before the injury so the audience KNOWS Cobra Commanders brother killed Snake Eyes family. This plan WILL work for G.I. JOE if taken just like it would have worked in X-Men.

Or... the Snake Eyes solo script can be written prior to the G.I. Joe script and made to intersect with it. Either way, Snake Eyes story has to be scripted first.

I hope that isn't too confusing to anyone else.

In my dream GI Joe film, Snake Eyes would have character and a motive, as his history with Storm Shadow would be alluded to. I'm just saying he shouldn't be the film's driving force. GI Joe is a team, and the film and its focus should present that. A balance can be struck.

I think making a 'team' film is partly where X-Men failed.

[Hypestyle]

... I still want Cobra to be an army.. not a person.. I really hope the filmmakers get this...

[OptimusCannabis]

... I still want Cobra to be an army.. not a person.. I really hope the filmmakers get this...

Yes, that is where G.I. JOE may have it's best chance to be something special. The opprotunity is there for battle scenes comparable to LOTR.
I'm salivating over the idea of a G.I. JOE battle on scale with the larger ones in LOTR.

[Timstuff]

On a side note, I believe it is very important to let the audience know Snake Eyes before his injuries, as well as after. They would be rooting for him all the more.

I was thinking there should be a flashback scene of when Snake Eyes was training with Storm Shadow, that ends with him getting some scars and damage to his vocal chords.

[OptimusCannabis]

I was thinking there should be a flashback scene of when Snake Eyes was training with Storm Shadow, that ends with him getting some scars and damage to his vocal chords.

I don't know if you read the official Snake Eyes backround, according to the G.I. JOE home page, I posted or if you want to try something different but according to the srticle Snake Eyes injuries were sustained while rescueing Scarlett from a burning helicopter.

[Timstuff]

Well, that'd be great if we were doing a Snake Eyes movie. However, some changes are gonna have to be made if they want to be able to give time to each Joe without making the movie 5 hours long. Believe me, I love Snake Eyes, but I don't want him to steal the show.

[Chris B]

Thanks.

Were I writing the script, Destro, and especially CC and Snake Eyes, would not unmask, at least not in the first installment. Those characters, CC and Snake Eyes in particular, started out with an aire of mystery around them, and I'd want to establish that in the film series. To get names like Viggo and DaFoe, I'd be afraid it could lead to Spider-Man type moments where they're unmasked frequently, and I'd really hate to see that.

I would imagine that that could be possible with Viggo. I don't think DaFoe would mind wearing a mask all the time. I could be wrong though.

[tamron]

If Snake Eyes and Cobra Commander are to be the two biggest opposing forces then they NEED to dedicate the first film to Snake Eyes before the injury so the audience KNOWS Cobra Commanders brother killed Snake Eyes family. This plan WILL work for G.I. JOE if taken just like it would have worked in X-Men.

The bolded part is the key to your statement. Snake Eyes shouldn't be the biggest opposing force. It's Cobra v the Joes. Snake Eyes is a cog in the Joe's machine. A big cog, mind you, but not bigger than the sum of the parts.

Or... the Snake Eyes solo script can be written prior to the G.I. Joe script and made to intersect with it. Either way, Snake Eyes story has to be scripted first.

Look, I realize Snake Eyes has enough meat on his bones to fill a trilogy on his own. but you can't develop a film banking that you'll have sequels or spin-offs to develop characters. Develop the team first. If the film's a hit, then expand Snake Eyes' role slightly and expound on his history. But never take the focus off the team. There are way too many great characters in the Joe universe to make it all about Snake Eyes.

I think making a 'team' film is partly where X-Men failed.

Are you saying the X-Men films failed because they were team films?

Or, that they failed because they presented the team improperly?

Or that they failed because they should have been even more blatantly about Wolverine?

Because, IMHO, none of the films in the X-Men series were a "team" film. Or at the very least, they were team films in the way Predator was a team film. Sure, they were a "team" going in, but you knew going in who "the guy" was. If we're to buy GI Joe as an elite team of specialists, there should be no "guy," IMHO.

IMHO, the X-Men series is the antithesis of how a Joe series should be done.

[TheVileOne]

The intresting thing is that Snake Eyes doesn't lose his voice and become scarred until about 2/3 through the story. If they don't release the 'Snake Eyes' solo-title first they could actually use this story as the basis for a franchise with Snake Eyes AS the focal point. I actually now think it is critical to give the audience the speaking, unscarred Snake Eyes FIRST. This way the audience can build empathy for the character and actually care what happens to him.That was one of X-Men's big mistakes. Wolverine was the main character but the audience had no reason to empathize or care about him. There was no emotional ties to the movie. They should have done the Wolverine movie first.

Umm you are wrong though. The first X-men movie was a big surprise sleeper hit. The following two movies were even bigger hits with AUDIENCES.

So despite what you say, audiences did sympathize with Wolverine, they did care about Wolverine.

And no, they weren't going to make a Wolverine movie first. But post X-men, Fox had been wanting to do them.

The thing is, Snake-Eyes mystique of what happened to him is a big part of his character. And to do his entire past and origin all at once in the first GI JOE movie is a bad idea.

I am 100% sure this is the story to use, be it for a "Snake Eyes" solo title or the G.I. Joe series itself. Make no mistakes, THIS IS THE STORY!

I like Snake-Eyes too, but you know, I don't think people are going to go to a GI JOE movie just for a solo Snake-Eyes story.

But at the end you are essentially saying that Snake-Eyes in a franchise of GI JOE movies is what Hugh Jackman/Wolverine was to the X-men films.

[OptimusCannabis]

The bolded part is the key to your statement. Snake Eyes shouldn't be the biggest opposing force. It's Cobra v the Joes. Snake Eyes is a cog in the Joe's machine. A big cog, mind you, but not bigger than the sum of the parts.

If G.I. Joe were a gun Snake Eyes would be the trigger.



Look, I realize Snake Eyes has enough meat on his bones to fill a trilogy on his own. but you can't develop a film banking that you'll have sequels or spin-offs to develop characters. Develop the team first. If the film's a hit, then expand Snake Eyes' role slightly and expound on his history. But never take the focus off the team. There are way too many great characters in the Joe universe to make it all about Snake Eyes.

Part of developing a good script is having in depth characters. What better way to have depth to your characters than for each to have their own 90-120 page script?


Are you saying the X-Men films failed because they were team films?

Or, that they failed because they presented the team improperly?

Or that they failed because they should have been even more blatantly about Wolverine?

They didn't fail BECAUSE they were team films, they failed because it was done wrong. Having be blatantly about Wolverine was one of the other two routes they SHOULD have went. The other would have been to cut his screen time dramatically.

Because, IMHO, none of the films in the X-Men series were a "team" film. Or at the very least, they were team films in the way Predator was a team film. Sure, they were a "team" going in, but you knew going in who "the guy" was. If we're to buy GI Joe as an elite team of specialists, there should be no "guy," IMHO.

Yes, but in Predator the enemy was more clearly defined and the heroes were united as one against one. It wasn't this one against that one and that one against that one and those two against those two. It was ONE TEAM against ONE FOE in Predator.

IMHO, the X-Men series is the antithesis of how a Joe series should be done.

I agree. It is a good barometer for what NOT to do.

[OptimusCannabis]

Umm you are wrong though. The first X-men movie was a big surprise sleeper hit. The following two movies were even bigger hits with AUDIENCES.

Because it was X-Men. Of course people went to see it. That doesn't mean they were good movies.

So despite what you say, audiences did sympathize with Wolverine, they did care about Wolverine.

I don't think so. If one had no knowledge of the comics or cartoon Wolverine would come off as real a-hole with no real depth or explaination to his a-holiness. I made the same mistake and judged Wolverine and the films with the comics and cartoons in mind. However, from a strictly film standpoint these films were horrible.


And no, they weren't going to make a Wolverine movie first. But post X-men, Fox had been wanting to do them.

I never said they were going to, I said they could have and the franchise would have been better off if they did.

The thing is, Snake-Eyes mystique of what happened to him is a big part of his character. And to do his entire past and origin all at once in the first GI JOE movie is a bad idea.

It worked in the comics in the minds of children but it will not work on the big screen where you could only fit 4-5 comics per movie.

I like Snake-Eyes too, but you know, I don't think people are going to go to a GI JOE movie just for a solo Snake-Eyes story.

You have to have the story from someones p.o.v. unless you do the entire movie from a third person p.o.v.. Who better than Snake Eyes? I will be posting Duke's story shortly. Let me know which p.o.v. would be better, Duke or Snake Eyes?

But at the end you are essentially saying that Snake-Eyes in a franchise of GI JOE movies is what Hugh Jackman/Wolverine was to the X-men films.

That's exactly what I'm saying. So why not accept it and make it from Snake Eyes p.o.v.? Snake Eye's p.o.v. until he becomes mute and disfigured, then he becomes a side character in Dukes or someonelse's story - FULLY MASKED AND SILENT AND ALMOST UNNOTICED THE REST OF THE WAY!!! BAM!!!

Until the big fight between he and Storm Shadow.:woot:

[OptimusCannabis]

Synopsis of Conrad "Duke" Hauser's story


Conrad “Duke” Hauser was born for the military. By the time he enlisted he was already fluent in English, French, and German. He attended many special schools, including a special languages school and airborne school. Duke also had extensive knowledge of Chinese and Southeast Asian dialects which contributed to his joining Special Forces. After his work with the South Vietnamese tribesmen he returned to the U.S. and became an instructor in numerous Special Forces schools.

While at Army Ranger School he met a fellow instructor named Marvin “Roadblock” Hinton. Duke, at the request of higher ranking officers, trained Eric “Short Fuse” Friestadt in a harsh p.o.w. training exercise. Lt. Col. Colton “Hawk” Abernathy was so impressed with Friestadt that he assigned to a top-secret government organization - G.I. Joe.

Duke took over the JOES upon the passing of General Flagg in 1984. He started out as a real hard ass but eventually gained the respect of the JOES. He became the field commander when Hawk took over Flagg’s old duties.

On his first assignment, Duke captured Cobra Commander following a wild car chase from the Bern Institute of Reconstructive Surgery in Switzerland where Major Bludd had taken Baroness. Cobra Commander was rescued shortly after by Storm Shadow from a secret prison in the Rocky Mountains.

Following the bust of an undercover Crimson Guardsman in a New Jersey home where Duke and Lady Jaye were both shot, the JOES discovered clues to a secret COBRA operation in the Gulf of Mexico. The JOES destroyed the underwater base unbeknownst it was on a major fault line. The whole thing was a Cobra set up and the shift in the ocean floor created COBRA island.
Despite Duke’s efforts to keep COBRA from taking the island the pentagon recognized COBRA island as a sovereign state, thanks to COBRA’s lawyers and diplomats, and the JOES were forced to leave.

Hawk returned to field commander once he made general. Duke still led his own missions though. He headed the security in the battle of Springfield and was Hawks second in command when G.I. JOE entered the COBRA island civil war on the side of Serpentor.

Duke then took a break from G.I. Joe for awhile and went back to training and testing equipment.
When he returned, he had his most difficult mission. It began as a routine raid on the Terror Dome in the desert. Disaster ensued when the team, led by Duke and his half-brother - Lt. Falcon, learned COBRA was a lot stronger in the Middle East than expected. They were overrun by COBRA forces led by Tomax & Xamot. The JOES were surrendered and the tortures began. Duke was badly beaten by Tomax & Xamot. In a case of mistaken orders four JOES were brutally killed by a SAW Viper. The remaining JOES escaped in a COBRA tank but they were followed, and the tank was blown up. All the other JOES died with the exceptions being Duke, Falcon, and Cross-Country. The mission was not a total loss though. The findings led the JOES to their biggest battle to date against COBRA at the nearby Middle East nation of Benzheen. Duke was never the same.

Duke went on to several other JOE missions including the defense of a top secret laser mission, the defense of the Pit against a COBRA attack, an invasion of COBRA island, and a joint operation with the soviet group Oktober Guard.

A short time after, the JOES were disbanded and the Pit closed.

[TheVileOne]

Because it was X-Men. Of course people went to see it. That doesn't mean they were good movies.

That's not what you are talking about. You said they didn't work because audiences didn't sympathize or understand Wolverine. Which I think is bull.

I don't think so. If one had no knowledge of the comics or cartoon Wolverine would come off as real a-hole with no real depth or explaination to his a-holiness. I made the same mistake and judged Wolverine and the films with the comics and cartoons in mind. However, from a strictly film standpoint these films were horrible.

Either way, the movies still became hits regardless of your opinion that the audience couldn't connect with Wolverine. Obviously mainstream audiences connected with him enough for the movies to do well, and Wolverine was essentially the main BO draw of the films.

I never said they were going to, I said they could have and the franchise would have been better off if they did.

And you base this on what, besides your own opinions? You can't back this up.

It worked in the comics in the minds of children but it will not work on the big screen where you could only fit 4-5 comics per movie.


You have to have the story from someones p.o.v. unless you do the entire movie from a third person p.o.v.. Who better than Snake Eyes? I will be posting Duke's story shortly. Let me know which p.o.v. would be better, Duke or Snake Eyes?

I'm not saying you can't have a story from the POV of Snake-Eyes. I simply think it's foolish to essentially make the first movie the be all end all Snake Eyes/movie story. I think what the first movie should do is establish GI JOE, establish COBRA in the movie world. Set up your core characters, then expand on them. If you want to do it from the angle that the conflict is pre-existing instead of the origin of COBRA and GI JOE getting together to fight COBRA, that's fine too.

I'm also saying, it's foolish to say you have to absolutely make the first half of the movie the set-up to the fall and rise of Snake-Eyes. Not everything has to happen at once.

That's exactly what I'm saying. So why not accept it and make it from Snake Eyes p.o.v.? Snake Eye's p.o.v. until he becomes mute and disfigured, then he becomes a side character in Dukes or someonelse's story - FULLY MASKED AND SILENT AND ALMOST UNNOTICED THE REST OF THE WAY!!! BAM!!!

But to say that doesn't mean you can start it with a Snake Eyes movie like X-men according to you should've started with a Wolverine movie.

What you are saying doesn't work either. In a story you don't set-up a character as your protagonist and main character and then suddenly half-way into it, the character is a side character, almost unnoticed. That's bad storytelling, especially for a movie.

[OptimusCannabis]

That's not what you are talking about. You said they didn't work because audiences didn't sympathize or understand Wolverine. Which I think is bull.

Honestly tell me that X-Men was a fine cinematic experience and I'll agree with that.

Either way, the movies still became hits regardless of your opinion that the audience couldn't connect with Wolverine. Obviously mainstream audiences connected with him enough for the movies to do well, and Wolverine was essentially the main BO draw of the films.

Who else would be the draw? I don't see solo titles for Cyclops, Storm, or Jean coming out anytime soon. An X-Men movie would have done just as well WITHOUT Wolverine.

And you base this on what, besides your own opinions? You can't back this up.

It's common sense. The movie(s) had problems and you can't deny that. Compare it to most other action movies of that style and you'll see that the problem was Wolverine. He needed more exposure or less exposure in the X-Men series, either way - the Wolverine movie being first would have been better. Seriously, people see movies to relax and if they make the Wolverine movie a prequel it's going to be nothing more than special effects, action packed bonanza with the Wolverine name on it.




I'm not saying you can't have a story from the POV of Snake-Eyes. I simply think it's foolish to essentially make the first movie the be all end all Snake Eyes/movie story. I think what the first movie should do is establish GI JOE, establish COBRA in the movie world. Set up your core characters, then expand on them. If you want to do it from the angle that the conflict is pre-existing instead of the origin of COBRA and GI JOE getting together to fight COBRA, that's fine too.

The Snake Eyes story I've posted will do all of that!!! PLUS... novice JOE fans would know what the hell was going on. You actually think any non-JOE fans who see the movie are going to be intrested in Snake Eyes 'mystery?' HELL NO!!! It's only a 100 minute movie and there's not alot of time to jerk moviegoers around with the Snake EYes mystery. It sounds to me like you're the one who want's this to be all about Snake Eyes and his dirty little secrets. Get all the b.s. about Snake Eyes out right away and get on with the G.I. JOE story. It's theonly way to do it.


I'm also saying, it's foolish to say you have to absolutely make the first half of the movie the set-up to the fall and rise of Snake-Eyes. Not everything has to happen at once.

Not the fall and rise, the evolution of Snake Eyes - accelerated.

What you are saying doesn't work either. In a story you don't set-up a character as your protagonist and main character and then suddenly half-way into it, the character is a side character, almost unnoticed. That's bad storytelling, especially for a movie.

It can be done. He's a freakin' masked mute! How much screen time you want him to have!?!?! It makes perfect sense to me, he gets muted and disfigured so why keep him as the focus? You start with Snake Eyes because it lays the foundation for the inevitabley climatic fight between Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow. It lets the audience know there is a connection between Cobra Commander and Snake Eyes, Baroness and Snake Eyes, Destro and Snake Eyes, Zartan and Snake Eyes, Firefly and Snake Eyes. The Snake EYes p.o.v. is the best one so it should be the first one.

[OptimusCannabis]

Scarlett is the perfect segway from Snake Eyes to Duke, since she was gettin' freekee with both of them.

Hmmmm... how would G.I. JOE loyalists feel about a Duke-Snake Eyes fight over Scarlett?

[Timstuff]

Scarlett is the perfect segway from Snake Eyes to Duke, since she was gettin' freekee with both of them.

Hmmmm... how would G.I. JOE loyalists feel about a Duke-Snake Eyes fight over Scarlett?

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[3dman27]

Synopsis of Conrad "Duke" Hauser's story


Conrad “Duke” Hauser was born for the military. By the time he enlisted he was already fluent in English, French, and German. He attended many special schools, including a special languages school and airborne school. Duke also had extensive knowledge of Chinese and Southeast Asian dialects which contributed to his joining Special Forces. After his work with the South Vietnamese tribesmen he returned to the U.S. and became an instructor in numerous Special Forces schools.

While at Army Ranger School he met a fellow instructor named Marvin “Roadblock” Hinton. Duke, at the request of higher ranking officers, trained Eric “Short Fuse” Friestadt in a harsh p.o.w. training exercise. Lt. Col. Colton “Hawk” Abernathy was so impressed with Friestadt that he assigned to a top-secret government organization - G.I. Joe.

Duke took over the JOES upon the passing of General Flagg in 1984. He started out as a real hard ass but eventually gained the respect of the JOES. He became the field commander when Hawk took over Flagg’s old duties.

On his first assignment, Duke captured Cobra Commander following a wild car chase from the Bern Institute of Reconstructive Surgery in Switzerland where Major Bludd had taken Baroness. Cobra Commander was rescued shortly after by Storm Shadow from a secret prison in the Rocky Mountains.

Following the bust of an undercover Crimson Guardsman in a New Jersey home where Duke and Lady Jaye were both shot, the JOES discovered clues to a secret COBRA operation in the Gulf of Mexico. The JOES destroyed the underwater base unbeknownst it was on a major fault line. The whole thing was a Cobra set up and the shift in the ocean floor created COBRA island.
Despite Duke’s efforts to keep COBRA from taking the island the pentagon recognized COBRA island as a sovereign state, thanks to COBRA’s lawyers and diplomats, and the JOES were forced to leave.

Hawk returned to field commander once he made general. Duke still led his own missions though. He headed the security in the battle of Springfield and was Hawks second in command when G.I. JOE entered the COBRA island civil war on the side of Serpentor.

Duke then took a break from G.I. Joe for awhile and went back to training and testing equipment.
When he returned, he had his most difficult mission. It began as a routine raid on the Terror Dome in the desert. Disaster ensued when the team, led by Duke and his half-brother - Lt. Falcon, learned COBRA was a lot stronger in the Middle East than expected. They were overrun by COBRA forces led by Tomax & Xamot. The JOES were surrendered and the tortures began. Duke was badly beaten by Tomax & Xamot. In a case of mistaken orders four JOES were brutally killed by a SAW Viper. The remaining JOES escaped in a COBRA tank but they were followed, and the tank was blown up. All the other JOES died with the exceptions being Duke, Falcon, and Cross-Country. The mission was not a total loss though. The findings led the JOES to their biggest battle to date against COBRA at the nearby Middle East nation of Benzheen. Duke was never the same.

Duke went on to several other JOE missions including the defense of a top secret laser mission, the defense of the Pit against a COBRA attack, an invasion of COBRA island, and a joint operation with the soviet group Oktober Guard.

A short time after, the JOES were disbanded and the Pit closed.again i'm impressed

[OptimusCannabis]

http://www.beyondbooks.com/ush12/images/00037845.jpg

Yeah, after sleeping on it... I agree, that would be a bad idea.

[OptimusCannabis]

Umm you are wrong though. The first X-men movie was a big surprise sleeper hit. The following two movies were even bigger hits with AUDIENCES.

So despite what you say, audiences did sympathize with Wolverine, they did care about Wolverine.

And no, they weren't going to make a Wolverine movie first. But post X-men, Fox had been wanting to do them.

The thing is, Snake-Eyes mystique of what happened to him is a big part of his character. And to do his entire past and origin all at once in the first GI JOE movie is a bad idea.

I like Snake-Eyes too, but you know, I don't think people are going to go to a GI JOE movie just for a solo Snake-Eyes story.

But at the end you are essentially saying that Snake-Eyes in a franchise of GI JOE movies is what Hugh Jackman/Wolverine was to the X-men films.

I like my idea and am going ahead with it. The first movie SHOULD open with Snake Eyes and, when he's rendered mute and disfigured, the attention should shift to Duke, Scarlett, the other JOES and their battle with COBRA. The dilemma now faced with this scheme is how exactly to portray Duke. Although I have posted his story, I have yet to come up with a 'feel' for the character. Not only do I need more of a 'feel' for Duke but it has to fit within the context of the story. Meaning - convey him as the main man in the film BUT only because Snake Eyes was badly injured. He becomes the focus kind of by default so we can't get carried away with 'a Duke power trip.' The story has to be carefully shifted otherwise it will through the audience completely off. This is where the art of screenwriting will come into effect.

It is best for Snake Eyes story to be told in the first film. Of course, this pretty much nixes a possible Snake Eyes spin off BUT it would add more depth to the overall franchise and possible allow for a couple more G.I. JOE movies following what would have to be a trilogy.

[tamron]

Not only do I need more of a 'feel' for Duke but it has to fit within the context of the story. Meaning - convey him as the main man in the film BUT only because Snake Eyes was badly injured. He becomes the focus kind of by default so we can't get carried away with 'a Duke power trip.'

LOL.

Duke is field commander because his valor and cool head under pressure commands respect. Whether Snake Eyes were injured or not, Duke is "the main man" because he's a natural born leader.

You seem ready to make Duke akin to movie Cyclops. I hate bringing up the X-Men series, I really do, but your ideas seem to repeat the same mistakes.

[Vile]

I like my idea and am going ahead with it.

When do you start filming? :woot:

[OptimusCannabis]

LOL.

Duke is field commander because his valor and cool head under pressure commands respect. Whether Snake Eyes were injured or not, Duke is "the main man" because he's a natural born leader.

You seem ready to make Duke akin to movie Cyclops. I hate bringing up the X-Men series, I really do, but your ideas seem to repeat the same mistakes.


Duke may be a 'natural born leader' but Snake Eyes is the main man unless the writer tries to make him NOT the main man.

You're so wrong in saying my idea sounds like another X-Men disaster. If anything, it would be the total opposite once Snake Eyes is injured. If Snake Eyes injuries are shown within a chronological history sometime in the first movie then there is no way to NOT reduce his role. This will allow the perfect opprotunity for Duke to seize the film. People won't be angry if Snake Eyes has a lesser role because the audience would 100% understand WHY he is not in it as much as they would like, he's been muted and scarred - enough said.

[tamron]

Snake Eyes is the weapon. To use your previous analogy, IMHO if the Joe team is a loaded gun, Snake Eyes is the bullet, Duke the trigger.

If the audience invests as much time into Snake Eyes character as you suggest, only to have him pushed aside, they will resent Duke's ascension to the film's forefront. And just because Snake Eyes has been scarred and muted doesn't mean he would have to be pushed aside. Why does he go on? How does he rise to the challenge given his disfigurement? The audience would actually want more of him during that period, rather the being "distracted" by this new character, who has had minimal build-up. Your idea, IMHO, bait and switches the audience.

Furthermore, with your idea, post-scarring is a perfect time to play up the Snake Eyes/Scarlett relationship. This guy has risked his life to save her and is drastically wounded. How does this impact her and her feelings towards him?

[OptimusCannabis]

Snake Eyes is the weapon. To use your previous analogy, IMHO if the Joe team is a loaded gun, Snake Eyes is the bullet, Duke the trigger.

G.I. JOE itself is the bullet. Snake Eyes is the trigger and Duke is the barrel.

If the audience invests as much time into Snake Eyes character as you suggest, only to have him pushed aside, they will resent Duke's ascension to the film's forefront.

They will only have 40-50 minutes invested in Snake EYes before his injuries and Dukes rise.

And just because Snake Eyes has been scarred and muted doesn't mean he would have to be pushed aside. Why does he go on? How does he rise to the challenge given his disfigurement? The audience would actually want more of him during that period, rather the being "distracted" by this new character, who has had minimal build-up. Your idea, IMHO, bait and switches the audience.

This isn't going to be a Snake Eyes movie, it's still G.I. Joe. Snake Eyes story will be but one in the forming of G.I. Joe in the first movie. His injury will mark the climax of the first film. Like I said, the forming of G.I. JOE and the rivalry with COBRA should be explained first and Snake Eyes is the largest part of that. Hencethe first movie IS primarily about him UNTIL the climax - his injuries!

Furthermore, with your idea, post-scarring is a perfect time to play up the Snake Eyes/Scarlett relationship. This guy has risked his life to save her and is drastically wounded. How does this impact her and her feelings towards him?

Right, and this is an action movie so the romance can be put on the backburner.

[OptimusCannabis]

One possible idea I have for the overall G.I. Joe story that would span the trilogy(or more) is... let's tie in the New World Order and blow the world's mind.:ninja:

Just make sure the take the blue pill before they see it.:oldrazz:

[TheVileOne]

Honestly tell me that X-Men was a fine cinematic experience and I'll agree with that.

X-men and X-men 2 were fine cinematic experiences.

Who else would be the draw? I don't see solo titles for Cyclops, Storm, or Jean coming out anytime soon. An X-Men movie would have done just as well WITHOUT Wolverine.

You are contradicting yourself. You say that Cyclops, Storm, or Jean are not draws, and hence focusing on any of them in the most in the movies wouldn't bring the audiences. Yet you say that they would have done just as well WITHOUT Wolverine.

It's common sense. The movie(s) had problems and you can't deny that. Compare it to most other action movies of that style and you'll see that the problem was Wolverine. He needed more exposure or less exposure in the X-Men series, either way - the Wolverine movie being first would have been better. Seriously, people see movies to relax and if they make the Wolverine movie a prequel it's going to be nothing more than special effects, action packed bonanza with the Wolverine name on it.

Sure they have problems, but I still like the first two.

And I still don't think making the Wolverine movie first would've worked. I think it would've been a bad way to establish the franchise.

The Snake Eyes story I've posted will do all of that!!! PLUS... novice JOE fans would know what the hell was going on. You actually think any non-JOE fans who see the movie are going to be intrested in Snake Eyes 'mystery?' HELL NO!!! It's only a 100 minute movie and there's not alot of time to jerk moviegoers around with the Snake EYes mystery. It sounds to me like you're the one who want's this to be all about Snake Eyes and his dirty little secrets. Get all the b.s. about Snake Eyes out right away and get on with the G.I. JOE story. It's theonly way to do it.

Yes. People and fans in general are generally attracted to characters like that.

Not the fall and rise, the evolution of Snake Eyes - accelerated.

Again, making the first movie all Snake Eyes and then suddenly making him insignificant for the in the second half of the first movie is bad storytelling.

It can be done. He's a freakin' masked mute! How much screen time you want him to have!?!?! It makes perfect sense to me, he gets muted and disfigured so why keep him as the focus? You start with Snake Eyes because it lays the foundation for the inevitabley climatic fight between Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow. It lets the audience know there is a connection between Cobra Commander and Snake Eyes, Baroness and Snake Eyes, Destro and Snake Eyes, Zartan and Snake Eyes, Firefly and Snake Eyes. The Snake EYes p.o.v. is the best one so it should be the first one.

That's the point. He's a masked mute. He's a really cool and badass character. You don't have to make the whole first movie about him. People will like him just because he is cool looking, badass, and expresses his thoughts in actions, not words.

You can still have the business with Storm Shadow without having to recount a whole entire origin or backstory.

[OptimusCannabis]

X-men and X-men 2 were fine cinematic experiences.

Pardon me, I meant fine cinematic ACHIEVEMENTS.



You are contradicting yourself. You say that Cyclops, Storm, or Jean are not draws, and hence focusing on any of them in the most in the movies wouldn't bring the audiences. Yet you say that they would have done just as well WITHOUT Wolverine.

True, they aren't as big of draws as Wolverine but they wouldn't have needed to be. The X-Men name alone would have been enough to draw people in.

And I still don't think making the Wolverine movie first would've worked. I think it would've been a bad way to establish the franchise.

Why? They used him to establish it anyways, why hide it? May as well go all out and shove Wolverine down everyones throat beforehand, that way they will be so sick of the guy that the other characters will be more appealing in the X-Men movies.



Yes. People and fans in general are generally attracted to characters like that.

What? Guys with bad hair and bad attitudes? Hmmm... you may be on to something.

Again, making the first movie all Snake Eyes and then suddenly making him insignificant for the in the second half of the first movie is bad storytelling.

You may very well be right on that subject but the majority of todays audiences wouldn't know a story from a rock. They want faces(which Snake Eyes will be without), snappy and witty dialougue(which, again, Snake Eyes is without), big explosions(which took Snake Eyes out), and big action(which Snake Eyes final fight with Storm Shadow will be all about.)



That's the point. He's a masked mute. He's a really cool and badass character. You don't have to make the whole first movie about him. People will like him just because he is cool looking, badass, and expresses his thoughts in actions, not words.

Let's say that Snake Eyes is never injured, do you make him the center of the film?

[TheVileOne]

I wouldn't try to make Snake Eyes the center of the film, just a significant part of it.

I would just set-up that Snake Eyes is a bit isolated, scarred, and hurt from a tragic past, the bad blood between Storm Shadow, and the romantic tension with Scarlet. Possibly a connection with Cobra Commander as well.

[OptimusCannabis]

I wouldn't try to make Snake Eyes the center of the film, just a significant part of it.

I would just set-up that Snake Eyes is a bit isolated, scarred, and hurt from a tragic past, the bad blood between Storm Shadow, and the romantic tension with Scarlet. Possibly a connection with Cobra Commander as well.

That will take a minimum of 30-40 minutes which is what I've been saying all along!:cmad:

[Chris B]

For anyone interested, here's a look at the script that David Elliot and Paul Lovett wrote, as reviewed by Latino Review:

http://www.latinoreview.com/scriptreview.php?id=7

I have to admit, parts of it don't sound that bad. Granted, I think it would need to undergo a major rewrite, but its a decent starting point.

[TheVileOne]

That will take a minimum of 30-40 minutes which is what I've been saying all along!:cmad:

I'm not sure what you are talking about really. You are saying like Snake Eyes should get his own movie first, just like Wolverine should've in X-men.

Then you are saying make Snake Eyes to GI JOE in a movie what Wolverine was to X-men in their movies, but you hate the X-men movies and what they did with Wolverine.

And then you are saying they need to do his whole entire origin in the first half than make him insignificant in the second half.

What you've been saying all along is a massive amount of contradictions and things that don't make sense.

I'm not saying make it a Snake Eyes origin movie. I'm saying just get the basic parts, nothing really in-depth and focus on him as simply a cool and badass character.

[TheVileOne]

For anyone interested, here's a look at the script that David Elliot and Paul Lovett wrote, as reviewed by Latino Review:

http://www.latinoreview.com/scriptreview.php?id=7

I have to admit, parts of it don't sound that bad. Granted, I think it would need to undergo a major rewrite, but its a decent starting point.

Snake Eyes + Scarlett going to couples therapy = :down

[OptimusCannabis]

For anyone interested, here's a look at the script that David Elliot and Paul Lovett wrote, as reviewed by Latino Review:

http://www.latinoreview.com/scriptreview.php?id=7

I have to admit, parts of it don't sound that bad. Granted, I think it would need to undergo a major rewrite, but its a decent starting point.

That's the only script anyone has seen and it leaves a lot to be desired IMHO. I don't like it basically because is aimed at younger JOE fans. G.I. JOE has been around for over 50 years. To aim it at kids would be wrong. I'm sure there are some 50 year olds out there some where with fond memories of G.I. JOE. If anything, the movie should be made more for them than a bunch of 10 year old punks. Some of these Hollywood greaseball execs really lack respect for others.

[Chris B]

That's the only script anyone has seen and it leaves a lot to be desired IMHO. I don't like it basically because is aimed at younger JOE fans. G.I. JOE has been around for over 50 years. To aim it at kids would be wrong. I'm sure there are some 50 year olds out there some where with fond memories of G.I. JOE. If anything, the movie should be made more for them than a bunch of 10 year old punks. Some of these Hollywood greaseball execs really lack respect for others.

Skip Woods also wrote draft that Latino Review took a look at:

http://www.latinoreview.com/scriptreview.php?id=62

But I agree that GI Joe should be a more mature film. Still, it is only inevitable that the film will be made accessible to kids.

If you think about it, if you are using the GI Joe vs. Cobra storyline, you're going to isolate anyone over the age of 35.

[OptimusCannabis]

Skip Woods also wrote draft that Latino Review took a look at:

http://www.latinoreview.com/scriptreview.php?id=62

But I agree that GI Joe should be a more mature film. Still, it is only inevitable that the film will be made accessible to kids.

If you think about it, if you are using the GI Joe vs. Cobra storyline, you're going to isolate anyone over the age of 35.

The best way to appeal to both audience... make it a more mature picture with actors the younger people can gravitate towards. I am guessing that nowadays most 10 year olds know most A-List actors so it wouldn't be too hard to do.Just throw in Jessica Simpson as Scarlett and Justin Timerlake as Duke and you got a box office smash. Well... maybe that's a bit extreme but you see where I'm going with this idea, don't you?

[OptimusCannabis]

I'm going to go out on a limb here... because he is 43. How about Nicholas Cage for Snake Eyes?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Nicholas_Cage_-_KirkWeaver.jpg/200px-Nicholas_Cage_-_KirkWeaver.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Cage_-_KirkWeaver.jpg)

If you go by the original story, Snake Eyes would be about 60 right now. If the film were set in 1990 it would match Cage's age.

Ironically enough, Cage starred in the 1998 film titled 'Snake Eyes.'

His first film, 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High,' was in 1982 when Snake Eyes was about 35. That is the age Cage could realistically pass for. That is also the year Hasbro released the new G.I. Joe toys. In the film 'Lord of War' 1982 is significant because the first guns Cage's character obtains to sell are from the 1982 Lebanon War.

In 1995 Cage played a hopless drunk in 'Leaving Las Vegas.' After the death of his family Snake Eyes became a drunk.

In 1997 Cage played Cameron Poe in the movie 'Con Air.' Poe was an ex-Marine wrongly inprisoned for killing a man with his bare hands in defense of his wife. Snake Eyes is the JOES hand-to-hand combat instructor.

AND... If you want to do a New World Order/Conspiracy type of angle for Snake Eyes and G.I. Joe... Cage starred in the conspiracy driven 'National Treasure' and the upcoming sequel 'National Treasure: The Book of Secrets.'

I don'y know what angle will eventually be chosen for a G.I. Joe movie but how can one not consider an angle that is centered around Snake Eyes/Nicholas Cage and a New World Order type conspiracy?

[Kakihara]

I'm going to go out on a limb here... because he is 43. How about Nicholas Cage for Snake Eyes?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Nicholas_Cage_-_KirkWeaver.jpg/200px-Nicholas_Cage_-_KirkWeaver.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Cage_-_KirkWeaver.jpg)

If you go by the original story, Snake Eyes would be about 60 right now. If the film were set in 1990 it would match Cage's age.

Ironically enough, Cage starred in the 1998 film titled 'Snake Eyes.'

His first film, 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High,' was in 1982 when Snake Eyes was about 35. That is the age Cage could realistically pass for. That is also the year Hasbro released the new G.I. Joe toys. In the film 'Lord of War' 1982 is significant because the first guns Cage's character obtains to sell are from the 1982 Lebanon War.

In 1995 Cage played a hopless drunk in 'Leaving Las Vegas.' After the death of his family Snake Eyes became a drunk.

In 1997 Cage played Cameron Poe in the movie 'Con Air.' Poe was an ex-Marine wrongly inprisoned for killing a man with his bare hands in defense of his wife. Snake Eyes is the JOES hand-to-hand combat instructor.

AND... If you want to do a New World Order/Conspiracy type of angle for Snake Eyes and G.I. Joe... Cage starred in the conspiracy driven 'National Treasure' and the upcoming sequel 'National Treasure: The Book of Secrets.'

I don'y know what angle will eventually be chosen for a G.I. Joe movie but how can one not consider an angle that is centered around Snake Eyes/Nicholas Cage and a New World Order type conspiracy?

NO!

[OptimusCannabis]

Why?

[OptimusCannabis]

It is very realistic to have Snake Eyes as the focal point since he was an original member of the JOE team. Hawk, Stalker, and Scarlett were also notable members but I doubt a movie would be made with them as the focus.

[Starscreamer]

Who on Earth can play Cobra Commander?


Wow just thought of one...

Willem Dafoe "WAS ONCE A MAN YESSSS"

[OptimusCannabis]

Who on Earth can play Cobra Commander?


Wow just thought of one...

Willem Dafoe "WAS ONCE A MAN YESSSS"

Uh... what is he now?

[OptimusCannabis]

Dafoe really would be perfect for the role but would he do another comic book villain?

One 'off-the-wall' choice that just came to mind is Crispin Glover:
http://www.blackpitchpress.com/celebrityskin/C-Glover.jpg

Just found that pic and after seeing that pic of him I have NO DOUBT he could do it.

[Timstuff]

It is very realistic to have Snake Eyes as the focal point since he was an original member of the JOE team. Hawk, Stalker, and Scarlett were also notable members but I doubt a movie would be made with them as the focus.

Because GI Joe is a TEAM. And ontop of that, while Snake Eyes is a ridiculously popular character, he's not the flagship character of GI Joe. Duke is. The movie will hopefully have a good balance between all the primary Joes, but you can count on Duke being the focal point of the story.

And William Dafoe is perfect for Cobra Commander!

BTW, has anyone seen that new 25th anniversary GI Joe action figure set that just came out? It looks pretty nice. I might just have to buy it (and maybe the Cobra one as well).

http://www.hasbro.com/common/images/products/6376532b2c45_main400.jpg

[3dman27]

sweet

[OptimusCannabis]

Because GI Joe is a TEAM. And ontop of that, while Snake Eyes is a ridiculously popular character, he's not the flagship character of GI Joe. Duke is. The movie will hopefully have a good balance between all the primary Joes, but you can count on Duke being the focal point of the story.

And William Dafoe is perfect for Cobra Commander!

BTW, has anyone seen that new 25th anniversary GI Joe action figure set that just came out? It looks pretty nice. I might just have to buy it (and maybe the Cobra one as well).


You're right, Duke will probably be the focal point. The point I am debating is that the film would be that much better with Snake Eyes at the center as opposed to Duke. There's just a lot more possibilities with Snake Eyes as opposed to Duke. Plus, if one does choose Duke as the main character then Snake Eyes will have a very reduced, silent, faceless role. What moviegoer will be intrigued by that? Not to mention. who would look forward to a solo movie for a character who has no face and doesn't speak? If you wany any 'spice' to the Snake Eyes, whatsoever, you have to include a great deal of his past and if you do that THE FRANCHISE WILL BE ABOUT HIM.

Use your heads people. Snake Eyes may not be 'the main man' in the comics but for the purpose of getting on the big-screen... you're right, he's not the flagship character, HE'S THE WHOLE F'N FRANCHISE!:ninja:

[Timstuff]

I have a better solution, but many of my fellow SE enthusiasts would probably scream bloody murder (even though it's bound to happen)... Simplify Snake Eyes' origin story. An example being that his injuries could be attributed to losing a fight to Storm Shadow, resulting in scars to his face and damage to his vocal chords. This is not going to be a 100% accurate adaptation, much like Transformers was not 100% accurate. What it can be is a FAITHFUL adaptation, and that is something related to, but still different from accuracy.

[OptimusCannabis]

I have a better solution, but many of my fellow SE enthusiasts would probably scream bloody murder (even though it's bound to happen)... Simplify Snake Eyes' origin story. An example being that his injuries could be attributed to losing a fight to Storm Shadow, resulting in scars to his face and damage to his vocal chords. This is not going to be a 100% accurate adaptation, much like Transformers was not 100% accurate. What it can be is a FAITHFUL adaptation, and that is something related to, but still different from accuracy.

NO!!!:cmad: I am far from a Snake Eyes enthusiast but what your saying is what is wrong with Hollywood and their comic book adaptations. Taking 'short cuts' is becoming all too common in Hollywood adaptations because it's 'too tough' or 'too expensive' or 'too risky' to stay true to the original. Creating ones own story from the original characters is okay but changing core facts to the original story is wrong and would render this movie anything but G.I. JOE. It would be a typical Hollywood action film with the G.I. JOE name slapped on it.

[Timstuff]

What you're saying is what's wrong with FANBOYS IMO. Change anything, and they'll be biting your head off until the day the movie comes out (and in some cases, long afterwards). If you really wanted a GI Joe movie with no shortcuts, you'd have a movie that's 10 hours long, just with the characters' origins. If this were a TV series you could get away with having Snake Eyes and every other main Joe's life story told as it is "canologically." But there's just not enough time for that in a movie, and even if you zoomed in on just one character (in this case, Snake Eyes), it would be horribly paced.

The GI Joe movie is not going to be cannon with the original story, and that's a FACT. Heck, if I were directing GI Joe as a movie, I personally wouldn't want to be held to a rigid pre-existing cannon. I have absolutely no creative freedom, and creative freedom is to a movie director what flour is to a baker. If taking shortcuts in the story means another TF scale pre-release fanboy backlash, I could care less. TF turned out great and made lots of money, and I'm sure GI Joe will do the same, even though they're going to make changes and do things that a lot of fanboys insist that they shouldn't.

[Chris B]

I have a better solution, but many of my fellow SE enthusiasts would probably scream bloody murder (even though it's bound to happen)... Simplify Snake Eyes' origin story. An example being that his injuries could be attributed to losing a fight to Storm Shadow, resulting in scars to his face and damage to his vocal chords. This is not going to be a 100% accurate adaptation, much like Transformers was not 100% accurate. What it can be is a FAITHFUL adaptation, and that is something related to, but still different from accuracy.

I wouldn't have a problem with something along those lines. Given the Vietnam connection, it is inevitable that Snake-Eyes' origin story would be updated to some extent.

As long as they keep the basic dynamic that is GI Joe vs. Cobra, I'm fine with it.

[tamron]

I have a better solution, but many of my fellow SE enthusiasts would probably scream bloody murder (even though it's bound to happen)... Simplify Snake Eyes' origin story. An example being that his injuries could be attributed to losing a fight to Storm Shadow, resulting in scars to his face and damage to his vocal chords. This is not going to be a 100% accurate adaptation, much like Transformers was not 100% accurate. What it can be is a FAITHFUL adaptation, and that is something related to, but still different from accuracy.

I'd still have Snake Eyes injured saving while Scarlett from a burning helicopter. I'd want that relationship included as to help flesh out SE's character, and his sacrifice is central to that angle.

Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow's beef should be from each thinking the other killed their loved ones. It of course, would be revealed later that CC engineered it all, with Firefly being the trigger man.

[OptimusCannabis]

I wouldn't have a problem with something along those lines. Given the Vietnam connection, it is inevitable that Snake-Eyes' origin story would be updated to some extent.

As long as they keep the basic dynamic that is GI Joe vs. Cobra, I'm fine with it.

The story is going to have to be altered since the characters would all be in their sixties now. They could set the series in the early 90's or use a different war as the backdrop. The U.S. first began notable involvement in the Middle East in 1982 during the the First Gulf War but the more publicized Second Gulf War did not begin until 1990. Since a G.I. Joe movie is not likely until at least 2010 it is very likely that the second Gulf War will be the major war included in as the Joe's backround war history. This important part has to be changed, unless the film is done as a flashback from the current day which is probably best because it is true to the original story. I have come up with the premise for a flashback type of story centered around Snake Eyes.

[OptimusCannabis]

I'd still have Snake Eyes injured saving while Scarlett from a burning helicopter. I'd want that relationship included as to help flesh out SE's character, and his sacrifice is central to that angle.

Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow's beef should be from each thinking the other killed their loved ones. It of course, would be revealed later that CC engineered it all, with Firefly being the trigger man.

Very good points. I agree 100% because it stays true to the original and you have stated why it is important. Don't mess with success, and that's what G.I. Joe is.

[Chris B]

Hmmmm... how would G.I. JOE loyalists feel about a Duke-Snake Eyes fight over Scarlett?

I don't think it would be a good idea. Still, I think there will probably be a love triangle involving those three.

[CobraCommander]

how would G.I. JOE loyalists feel about a Duke-Snake Eyes fight over Scarlett?

NO.

[OptimusCannabis]

I don't think it would be a good idea. Still, I think there will probably be a love triangle involving those three.

Sounds kinky.

[Darthkush]

this is an interesting thread. Couple of quick things i wanted to note...

-Vin Diesal shouldn't be Destro not because Diesal isn't irish or white or whatever but because he CAN'T ACT. Or, at least isn't a good enough actor to play Destro.

-Doug Jones could play Snake Eyes. Just use a stunt man for the hardcore martial arts stuff.

-In a crazy difference in opinion of most of you, I think the most interesting GI Joe film idea would be to focus on the rise of Cobra Commander and then the Joes creation as an result of the rise of Cobra. It'd never happen but that'd be my dream Joe flick.

-Why does it seem like the producers are interested in using Heavy Duty as opposed to Road Block? I don't get that at all.

[tamron]

-Why does it seem like the producers are interested in using Heavy Duty as opposed to Road Block? I don't get that at all.

It seems there is some legalese involving the rights to Road Block outside of the comics. Hasbro could use him, but they'd have to pay to do so. So Heavy Duty has simply taken his role.

[CobraCommander]

It would make no sense to show the "rise of Cobra Commander," as it would take entirely too much time. Do you have any idea how long it probably took him to go from broke used car salesman to leader of an organized global militant terrorist organization?

Also, if it involves showing his face, I have to say NO. Unequivocally NO. His face must never be shown.

[The Shredder]

It would make no sense to show the "rise of Cobra Commander," as it would take entirely too much time. Do you have any idea how long it probably took him to go from broke used car salesman to leader of an organized global militant terrorist organization?

Also, if it involves showing his face, I have to say NO. Unequivocally NO. His face must never be shown.
What if it's done in a manner similar to how his origin was revealed in the Corba Reborn issue that launched the now defunct G.I. Joe: Reloaded? Where his rise to prominence was seen via flashbacks and his face always obscured.

[CobraCommander]

Honestly, the less you know about CC in the movie the better. Who cares where he came from? Why does every movie want to explain everything these days? Remember when villains were just villains? And you hated them because they showed them doing really nasty things to the protagonists in the movie?

[OptimusCannabis]

The only part of Cobra Commanders origins that should be revealed is his connection to Snake Eyes.

Also, I noticed the 'Will Tom Cruise ever win an Oscar?' thread and can't help but think:
http://www.cheap-posters.net/posters/COBRA_COMMANDER.jpghttp://news.softpedia.com/images//news2/Tom-Cruise-Splashed-with-Water-by-a-Journalist-2.jpg

If done right(aka LOTR) it might just get him an Oscar.

[tamron]

As if Tom or the studio would allow his face to be obscured for an entire film. I can't see that happening.

[OptimusCannabis]

Why not? No one want's to see his ugly face.

[CobraCommander]

Also, I noticed the 'Will Tom Cruise ever win an Oscar?' thread and can't help but think:

For the love of all that is good and pure, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[The Shredder]

Honestly, the less you know about CC in the movie the better. Who cares where he came from? Why does every movie want to explain everything these days? Remember when villains were just villains? And you hated them because they showed them doing really nasty things to the protagonists in the movie?
I don't know. Yes, there is a certain charm in having CC and the Cobra organization as a completely villainous group, but then I have to admit that I also like the idea of giving Cobra Commander a quick backstory revealing exactly why he's started his revolution to begin with. As I believe it would ultimately add a bit more of a dramatic effect to the overall story with his backstory possibly making not only him, but his ideals more sympathetic towards the viewer, but also by having him play against that notion by showing exactly how ruthless he can be would be a great contrast as well which would possibly leave the viewer with a sense of ambivalence.

[Chris B]

It seems there is some legalese involving the rights to Road Block outside of the comics. Hasbro could use him, but they'd have to pay to do so. So Heavy Duty has simply taken his role.

I wonder if there is some way around that? I know that with Transformers, Hasbro has lost the rights to some of the names. And for the toys based on the characters who appeared in the movie that they lost the names to, they added an Autobot or Decepticon prefix. I wonder if they could get away with something like "GI Joe Roadblock?"

Then again, I would imagine that characters such as Heavy Duty and Hi-Tech were included simply to throw a bone at the younger fans.

[OptimusCannabis]

I don't know. Yes, there is a certain charm in having CC and the Cobra organization as a completely villainous group, but then I have to admit that I also like the idea of giving Cobra Commander a quick backstory revealing exactly why he's started his revolution to begin with. As I believe it would ultimately add a bit more of a dramatic effect to the overall story with his backstory possibly making not only him, but his ideals more sympathetic towards the viewer, but also by having him play against that notion by showing exactly how ruthless he can be would be a great contrast as well which would possibly leave the viewer with a sense of ambivalence.

Yes, Cobra Commanders motives should be made clear and have some depth. You can't just have him say 'I want one million dollars' because like Dr. Evil in Austin Powers, every one would laugh.

[Timstuff]

The only part of Cobra Commanders origins that should be revealed is his connection to Snake Eyes.

Also, I noticed the 'Will Tom Cruise ever win an Oscar?' thread and can't help but think:
http://www.cheap-posters.net/posters/COBRA_COMMANDER.jpghttp://news.softpedia.com/images//news2/Tom-Cruise-Splashed-with-Water-by-a-Journalist-2.jpg

If done right(aka LOTR) it might just get him an Oscar.

I knew it-- Cobra Commander is a Scientologist! :eek:

[OptimusCannabis]

I knew it-- Cobra Commander is a Scientologist! :eek:

I don't know if you were joking or not but truthfully, it kind of works. Especially if you integrate the N.W.O. as I suggested.

[The Shredder]

Yes, Cobra Commanders motives should be made clear and have some depth. You can't just have him say 'I want one million dollars' because like Dr. Evil in Austin Powers, every one would laugh.
With the way the current situation is, that's probably not too far fetched.

[mr. peasant]

I've only recently heard the rumors about the G.I. Joe movie finally getting some movement after the success of the Transformers film. Anyway, here's a short list of who I'd like to see in a Joe film, should one be made:

Scarlett: Kate Mara (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0544718/) (24, Shooter)
If the rumors of Mark Wahlberg as Duke is true, her time in Shooter would definitely help make the chemistry between her and Wahlberg more natural should the script decide to lean this way. To make it easier, Scarlett's specialty of counterintelligence/intelligence doesn't really make it necessary for her to look too comfortable with guns or in fight scenes. Additionally, it doesn't hurt that she's a pretty hot redhead who would work as potential eye candy for the role.

Snake-Eyes:Matt Mullins (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1280538/)
While Ray Park would be a nice choice, the need to wear a mask throughout the film would probably deter him from choosing it. Instead, perhaps Matt Mullins would be a more reasonable choice. Basically, any stuntman with a background in martial arts can play everybody's favorite ninja. However, I chose Mullins since he has to be fairly good to be the focus of an entire Discovery Channel documentary (XMA).

Hi-Tech:Seth Green (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001293/) (Italian Job, Robot Chicken)
Without a doubt, I think Seth Green should get the part should this character be used. Not only does he fairly resemble the character, he's a known fan of G.I. Joe action figures! This is important as it makes him more likely to take the role should it be offered to him.


As for the villains, here are my nominees:

Destro:Jason Statham (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005458/) (Transporter, Italian Job)
Sure, he's not Scottish but he's certainly bad ass enough to be a convincing Destro. Also, while the role is familiar enough to his past roles for him to be able to do it confidently, it's different enough that he might just consider it.

Storm Shadow:Michael Chaturantabut (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0154215/)
The reason for this choice is because of his connection with my choice for Snake-Eyes, Matt Mullins as they had trained together and thus would be familiar with each other's moves, thus allowing for better action sequences. Additionally, this familiarity could translate well into the movie to better accent the 'blood brother' part of the Storm Shadow/Snake Eyes relationship.

Update:
Cobra Commander: Marc Warren (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0912938/) (Hogfather)
Anyone who's watched the Hogfather will understand where I'm coming from. I don't know why but his performance as Teatime had that creepiness which I think would work well for Cobra Commander. Plus, he's got a distinctive voice and set of eyes which would make him instantly recognizable as a particular character even though you can't see the rest of his face.

That's all I can think of for now. What do you guys think?

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, no Duke/Scarlett for this movie. It's got to be Scarlett/Snake Eyes.

Scarlett/Duke is lame, cliched, and typical.

[OptimusCannabis]

Yeah, no Duke/Scarlett for this movie. It's got to be Scarlett/Snake Eyes.

Scarlett/Duke is lame, cliched, and typical.

If it's typical they will probably do it. The bottom line, according to me, is... They'll make it, it'll be completely F.U.B.A.R., but I'll see it.:csad:

[OptimusCannabis]

I've only recently heard the rumors about the G.I. Joe movie finally getting some movement after the success of the Transformers film. Anyway, here's a short list of who I'd like to see in a Joe film, should one be made:

Scarlett: Kate Mara (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0544718/) (24, Shooter)
If the rumors of Mark Wahlberg as Duke is true, her time in Shooter would definitely help make the chemistry between her and Wahlberg more natural should the script decide to lean this way. To make it easier, Scarlett's specialty of counterintelligence/intelligence doesn't really make it necessary for her to look too comfortable with guns or in fight scenes. Additionally, it doesn't hurt that she's a pretty hot redhead who would work as potential eye candy for the role.

Snake-Eyes:Matt Mullins (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1280538/)
While Ray Park would be a nice choice, the need to wear a mask throughout the film would probably deter him from choosing it. Instead, perhaps Matt Mullins would be a more reasonable choice. Basically, any stuntman with a background in martial arts can play everybody's favorite ninja. However, I chose Mullins since he has to be fairly good to be the focus of an entire Discovery Channel documentary (XMA).

Hi-Tech:Seth Green (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001293/) (Italian Job, Robot Chicken)
Without a doubt, I think Seth Green should get the part should this character be used. Not only does he fairly resemble the character, he's a known fan of G.I. Joe action figures! This is important as it makes him more likely to take the role should it be offered to him.


As for the villains, here are my nominees:

Destro:Jason Statham (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005458/) (Transporter, Italian Job)
Sure, he's not Scottish but he's certainly bad ass enough to be a convincing Destro. Also, while the role is familiar enough to his past roles for him to be able to do it confidently, it's different enough that he might just consider it.

Storm Shadow:Michael Chaturantabut (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0154215/)
The reason for this choice is because of his connection with my choice for Snake-Eyes, Matt Mullins as they had trained together and thus would be familiar with each other's moves, thus allowing for better action sequences. Additionally, this familiarity could translate well into the movie to better accent the 'blood brother' part of the Storm Shadow/Snake Eyes relationship.


That's all I can think of for now. What do you guys think?

Somebody watched the Italian Job on FX over the weekend.:whatever:

[Timstuff]

Ray Park does not have a problem with masks. Heck, the only movie I can think of where his face isn't somehow obscured is Ecks vs. Sever, and that movie was a total flop (though RP did kick major @$$ in it). Also, I'm sure that if offered a role in GI Joe, he'd take it without hesitation. It's not like he's been very busy these days, anyway...

[mr. peasant]

Ray Park does not have a problem with masks. Heck, the only movie I can think of where his face isn't somehow obscured is Ecks vs. Sever, and that movie was a total flop (though RP did kick major @$$ in it). Also, I'm sure that if offered a role in GI Joe, he'd take it without hesitation. It's not like he's been very busy these days, anyway...

The problem with Ray Park is that while he hasn't been busy lately, he's set to be busy for 2008. His starring/major roles in several films (including one of a comic book character) will probably raise his profile and pay. This wouldn't work in favor for him to appear as Snake Eyes as the character is permanently behind a mask and is a non-speaking role.