Anticipation For Man of Steel

[Hunter Rider]

I know i do:hyper:

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[El Payaso]

Oh God... no.

[GreenKToo]

I wouldnt have minded it in S.R.,but not for the sequel..I want a new villian,and luthor in that suit would put the focus on him..

[I Am The Knight]

LOL, no, I don't want that and I don't see it happening.

[Brainiac 2009]

Nah. Thats a bit too cartoony for the real world approach that both Singer took in SR and Nolan took in BB.

[Mr. Thing]

Nay-****ing-way.

[Jimmy, GL]

No... just no... I don't want to see Lex again unless he's making a cameo, and could honestly see Kevin Spacey flying around in that thing. No way.

[Spade]

I mean no offense, but I've never taken him seriously in that suit. I always felt it was unbefitting of him. Lex is a man of plans and behind-the-scenes mischief. The suit would just make this yet another Lex film with the added element of a Fighting Lex Luthor. If the crystal plot was derided (for good reason) this would be too.

[Kabuki_Jo]

No more Luthor.

[matthooper]

No Luthor...never again!

[KaptainKrypton]

I wouldn't mind it in a sequel down the line. They would have to do one smart thing and put a protective helmet on Luthor. I mean, who gives a damn if the rest of his body is protected when his head is exposed and Supes' could easily tear it off the second he became remotely perturbed with Lex.

[Spider-Fan]

Couldn't be any worse than the last movie.

[lordofthenerds]

Kevin Spacey in that suit...lol.

[Canadian Rider]

No ... please no. Say it isn't so Joe!

[Kid_Kaos]

Hell No!

You might as well just make Metallo. Gives at least some new story to show in a movie. It also looks too much like an Iron Man ripoff. The I M movie comes out in 2008 and people would compare Lex in 2009 to that movie.

[Caliber]

Lex has sucked major in the Supes film. Unless Lexcorp suddenly appeared it won't work. Keep Lex out of the Supes films. And Zod too. Just restart it.

[Hunter Rider]

This thread has been an interesting read,i was thinking that the suit would be modernized from the original form but i see most just don't want Lex in a sequel at all:csad:

[Zen Ith]

This thread has been an interesting read,i was thinking that the suit would be modernized from the original form but i see most just don't want Lex in a sequel at all:csad:Which I think is stupid. Lex is a staple of the Superman universe. He has to be there in some shape or form, he's more than just a villain, he's a supporting character.

[Kabuki_Jo]

E-mail Singer and let him know of your original ideas to use Lex and Zod in a sequel, Zen.

I'm sure he'll be very pleased to implement them into the next movie.

And please, while you're at it, tell him to kill the kid.

heh.

[ultimatefan]

As much as I love Spacey, I say enough Luthor for now. Superman´s rogue´s gallery has barely been used in the movies, time to show some villains we haven´t seen in movies, yet, such as Brainiac, Doomsday, Bizarro, etc.

[GreenKToo]

Lex well no doubt be in it...thats kinda like ham and eggs,but I think most fans hunger for a supervillian thats torn from the comics.One we have not yet seen on the big screen.Their are way to many good villians to choose from,to not use one....This thread has been an interesting read,i was thinking that the suit would be modernized from the original form but i see most just don't want Lex in a sequel at all:csad:

[green]

My intitial gut reaction was no, but it actually could work if done right. I bet Spacey would have a hell of a time with it too.
So I voted no but now Im kinda reconsidering.

[GreenKToo]

It would kinda be kool if Lex built it not to kill superman,but to somehow help him against whoever the villian is.maybe the villian double crosses Lex(you know lex will be involved)and he has to make a choice.A enemy of my enemy kinda thing.a situation like that I could accept

[Captain Villa]

No.

Out of 5 films, we have had 4 with Luthor. Time for another villain.

[Brainiac 2009]

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[dark_b]

This thread has been an interesting read,i was thinking that the suit would be modernized from the original form but i see most just don't want Lex in a sequel at all:csad:thats because in SR lex wanted the same as in S:TM. i dont blame them.

i want brainiac with lex behind him.
they are doing this for a living. make a complex badass story with tons of action. dont forget about the love story between lois and superman and show us what happens with richard and lois.

they can make it interesting and fresh at the same time.

[Lightning54SC]

thats because in SR lex wanted the same as in S:TM. i dont blame them.

i want brainiac with lex behind him.
they are doing this for a living. make a complex badass story with tons of action. dont forget about the love story between lois and superman and show us what happens with richard and lois.

they can make it interesting and fresh at the same time.

x2:hyper:

[DrMylesOBoogie]

I voted no but only because Spacey is playing "Hackman" Lex. I'd like to see the battlesuit on someone like Billy Zane, Michael Rosenbaum or Clancy Brown though.

[Mr. Socko]

No, it won't happen because it'd be to comical looking for Bryan Singer. And Lex is the only huge Superman villian he knows, so he'll be back for the sequel, guarantee it.

[dark_b]

is it true that singer once asked what is lexcorp?

[Zen Ith]

is it true that singer once asked what is lexcorp?No, that was made up by someone who conveniently 'forgot' to say he made it up.

[Hunter Rider]

I thought it was just something Octoberist put in his Sig and he notes that it's not a real quote

[Zen Ith]

E-mail Singer and let him know of your original ideas to use Lex and Zod in a sequel, Zen.

I'm sure he'll be very pleased to implement them into the next movie.

And please, while you're at it, tell him to kill the kid.

heh.I don't want Zod. I want Braniac. Just because I want Lex to return doesn't mean I want rehash, it means I don't want a good character like Lex to be eradicated just so Superman can fight someone, which a lot of people here want to see.

[Zen Ith]

I thought it was just something Octoberist put in his Sig and he notes that it's not a real quoteSomeone else made it before him, I think it was The Game or something like that. I was only lurking when I saw it, so it's not that fresh in my mind.

[Katsuro]

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns11/sr-mos-kplex-af.jpg

That looks like Kevin Spacey... Is that some kind of SR lisenced toy?

[Mr. Socko]

I thought it was just something Octoberist put in his Sig and he notes that it's not a real quote

Who'd be surprised if it were true?

[FlawlessVictory]

is it true that singer once asked what is lexcorp?

No, but he did ask what's a comic book? j/k :woot:

[Kabuki_Jo]

I don't want Zod. I want Braniac. Just because I want Lex to return doesn't mean I want rehash, it means I don't want a good character like Lex to be eradicated just so Superman can fight someone, which a lot of people here want to see.

Has Lex been portrayed well on the big screen?

[mego joe]

Please select the choice which most closely resembles your feeling of anticipation for the sequel to SR.

[I Am The Knight]

I see nuthin'.

EDIT. Ok, never mind....

[superbaby]

are we getting a sequel???

[I_Hate_U_All]

For Batman: The Dark Knight? 100%

For Superboy United? 0%

[redcaped]

His suit differs from others under normal conditions, tight for speed, blue as the sky, red as their sun, and the yellow behind the S is our sun (source of powers). I anticipate respect for the costume, thank you.

[blind_fury]

This poll sucks.

A better question would be, "How much do you anticipate the sequel?"

A) as much as possible - more than any other movie
B) a great deal - more than most movies
C) a good deal - I will see it opening weekend
D) somewhat - I will see it whenever I get around to it
E) not much - I might watch it on dvd, SR was weak
F) not at all - I hated SR and won't watch the sequel

[wellsy]

^^ would have been better.

I voted for "will see it" - but that doesn't mean I have to like it when I do (I shall reserve judgement).

But I hope its good.

[Rated-X]

This poll sucks.

A better question would be, "How much do you anticipate the sequel?"

A) as much as possible - more than any other movie
B) a great deal - more than most movies
C) a good deal - I will see it opening weekend
D) somewhat - I will see it whenever I get around to it
E) not much - I might watch it on dvd, SR was weak
F) not at all - I hated SR and won't watch the sequel

Can someone change the poll to these questions?

[Spiderine]

I am going to see this movie. They should finally put some other villains on the big screen that we want to see. Also we need to see how Singer is going to respond to what he has established. A lot of questions remain to be answered. And yes, change this poll please.

[fabman]

I want a f'ing bad*ss villain for the sequel. I wanna see Superman kick some a*s.

[lexlives]

And this is why any sequel is a non-starter. So much negative baggage that it could well become the flop that SR was not quite.

[GreenKToo]

While I cant give you a link saying that the sequel is 100% assured, can you give me one saying its not?? If not, i'll believe W.B. till they say otherwise.

[wellsy]

^^ I'm with you Green.

LL, give us evidence, or give us silence. Take your pick.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

LL will give us nothing but his own opinions stated as fact.

I will be going to see SR2 in '09 in a heartbeat, its my most anticipated movie at the moment.

[GreenKToo]

Dont get me wrong, if the sequel were gonna look something like B&R (which I doubt) I wouldnt see it, so I voted for wait and see before deciding. Its much to early in the game to committ yourself without knowing anything about the story/villain(s) yet..

[Billy Batson]

Anticipation for sequel straight to DvD :cwink:

There is not, going to be a sequel!
There will be a Reboot in 7 - 10 years

[GreenKToo]

Care to wager??, i'm confident enough with what i've heard to bet on it.:D

[Freddy_Krueger]

Anticipation for sequel straight to DvD :cwink:

There is not, going to be a sequel!
There will be a Reboot in 7 - 10 years

Keep dreaming.

[Sun_Down]

Anticipation for sequel straight to DvD :cwink:

There is not, going to be a sequel!
There will be a Reboot in 7 - 10 years

You use, commas and bold text
when it's not necessary!

[VenomsMom]

Anticipation for sequel straight to DvD :cwink:

There is not, going to be a sequel!
There will be a Reboot in 7 - 10 years
Why are people denying this sequel?

[El Payaso]

Why are people denying this sequel?

Incapacity to accept reality.

[lexlives]

Anticipation for sequel straight to DvD :cwink:

There is not, going to be a sequel!
There will be a Reboot in 7 - 10 years

I agree about no sequel - ain't happening.

But I never felt a reboot, which is what I want and the only way to save the franchise now, would come in 7 or even 10 years. Ain't happening IMHO.

Its going to be 15 years at least. I am not as confident now that it will even be 15 years - with the JLA series coming and if it is a success I would not be shocked to see WB put the Superman film franchise on virtually indefinite hold - as in 20 or more years before they try a reboot. Fouc instead on Batman - they are already in preliminary plans for Batman 3 and Flash, WW, GL and others. GL will be more successful by far than even a good Superman film IMO.

The JLA and all the potentially lucrative characters it may spawn casts a shadow over Superman and could hinder a future reboot.

[wellsy]

Dude, you say JLA is happening, and MoS isn't. Seems that you can accept one set of facts, then conveniently ignore another.

Such as this:

Prior to the debut of Superman Returns in the United Kingdom, Brandon Routh hinted at the possibility of the sequel at a press conference, saying "At the end of this film we see that there is so much more to explore." Newsarama reported from the 2006 San Diego Comic-Con that director Bryan Singer had been in talks to direct a sequel for 2009.[37] According to the article, Singer said that while Superman Returns allowed him to introduce the cast, the sequel would allow him to 'go Wrath of Khan on it.' He added that there would be an alien villain. In another interview on Superherohype.com, Singer indicated a possible return of the New Krypton island.[38]

On August 18, 2006, the Los Angeles Times reported that Warner president Alan Horn thought that Superman Returns "was a very successful movie" and that he was planning on a sequel for 2009.[citation needed] It had been thought that a Superman Returns sequel hinged on the film's domestic box office performance, with some media outlets suggesting that Warner Bros. wanted it to take in at least $200 million in the United States for a sequel to get the green light. The film officially passed the $200 million domestic mark on October 22, 2006.[2] On October 25, 2006, IESB.net reported that a deal between director Bryan Singer and Warner Bros. had been finalized for a sequel. The budget will reportedly be reduced; however, the existing sets would contribute to lower costs across the board for the upcoming movie. In addition any sunk costs for the abortive sequels in the 1990s would not be included in the budget. The sequel is expected to be more action focused than its predecessor.[39]

The working title for the sequel has been reported, and neither confirmed nor denied, as Superman: The Man of Steel.[40] The focus will be on a tighter story with more villains and bigger action sequences.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_Returns#Sequel

Compare that, three paragraphs in wikipedia, with this for Justice League:

On February 22, 2007 Variety announced that Warner Brothers had hired Kiernan and Michele Mulroney to write a treatment for a potential Justice League movie. No announcement was made on the characters, actors, or crew involved.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League#In_other_media

Seems to me like SR has plenty more info on a sequel, and is thus probably more likely (see the bold text) than a JLA movie.

Now if you can present your own evidence, then please, enlighten me.

Like I said, give us evidence, or give us silence.

[lexlives]

Dude, you say JLA is happening, and MoS isn't. Seems that you can accept one set of facts, then conveniently ignore another.

Such as this:



From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_Returns#Sequel

Compare that, three paragraphs in wikipedia, with this for Justice League:



From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League#In_other_media

Seems to me like SR has plenty more info on a sequel, and is thus probably more likely (see the bold text) than a JLA movie.

Now if you can present your own evidence, then please, enlighten me.

Like I said, give us evidence, or give us silence.

JLA is not a definite go but WB is high on it and I'd say the odds favor it more than an SR sequel.

Do a google search on JLA Movie and then do a news search. Far more articles than you will find doing the same for a SR sequel.

Plus Robinov himself is very hot on JLA if you read some of those articles which quote him.

Now contrast that to an SR sequel - Robinov and Horn have said nothing since October.

Methinks WB knows where the money lies and the franchise future too.

They will fast track it though being ready for 2009 - the first JLA film - will be a tough row to hoe. 2010 looks more likley as some of those articles say.

[Showtime]

What is the reason they can't have both a Superman Sequel and a JLA movie, I don't understand why one cancels out the other.

[VenomsMom]

This JLA project will be in limbo for years. They wont ever be able to come together on how to do massive movie. WB is having trouble with individual projects let alone a JLA movie.

[VenomsMom]

It would probably be cheesy as hell anyway.

[lexlives]

What is the reason they can't have both a Superman Sequel and a JLA movie, I don't understand why one cancels out the other.

Its all about money and getting Legendary to cough up close to 100 million. Now tell me, a JLA film or an SR sequel. What do you think Legendary will go for? WB needs them either way. JLA in 2010 or 2009 pretty much kills MOS IMO.

[Showtime]

Its all about money and getting Legendary to cough up close to 100 million. Now tell me, a JLA film or an SR sequel. What do you think Legendary will go for? WB needs them either way. JLA in 2010 or 2009 pretty much kills MOS IMO.

Legendary signed a deal for 25 movies, but they are not the only co-financier that WB has signed with. Don't forget Village Roadshow or Participant Prods.

Also as part of the 25 movie deal Legendary will also be doing their own movies. The contract is for 5 to 6 movies a year so JLA might not even be included, and the deal might be up.

Legendary is irrelevant either way.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Legendary is irrelevant either way.

Exactly. WB doesn't need Legendary Pictures in order to produce a Superman movie. Although even that is pointless, considering Legendary said they'd be up for a Superman sequel after--or it may have even been before--the film reached the $200 million mark.

[lexlives]

Legendary signed a deal for 25 movies, but they are not the only co-financier that WB has signed with. Don't forget Village Roadshow or Participant Prods.

Also as part of the 25 movie deal Legendary will also be doing their own movies. The contract is for 5 to 6 movies a year so JLA might not even be included, and the deal might be up.

Legendary is irrelevant either way.

I disagree - WB will not cough up the full 175 million or so for an SR sequel if Legendary walks. Legendary has plenty of better "best" than a Singer sequel. JLA for one.

[Freddy_Krueger]

I disagree - WB will not cough up the full 175 million or so for an SR sequel if Legendary walks. Legendary has plenty of better "best" than a Singer sequel. JLA for one.

You missed the point, LL. There are several other production companies WB could go to if they so desired.

[Showtime]

I disagree - WB will not cough up the full 175 million or so for an SR sequel if Legendary walks. Legendary has plenty of better "best" than a Singer sequel. JLA for one.

Did you read my post? Lengendary is irrelevant, but WB has other co-financiers already, and will have more again. It doesn't have to be Legendary.

[lexlives]

Did you read my post? Lengendary is irrelevant, but WB has other co-financiers already, and will have more again. It doesn't have to be Legendary.

If Legendary balks why would you expect other companies to jump in? The financials are the financials and they simply are not there for an SR sequel. You may love Superman, I may too, but these co-financiers have to answer to their shareholders. Love of Superman or nostolgia for the character will carry little weight when push comes to shove in the next couple of months.

[LL2K2]

LL, I didn't know you were such a Brandon fan - you're constantly living in Denial. ;)







For those who don't get it, Denial is the short film (which is now available on iTunes) that Brandon made just before SR.

[Showtime]

If Legendary balks why would you expect other companies to jump in? The financials are the financials and they simply are not there for an SR sequel. You may love Superman, I may too, but these co-financiers have to answer to their shareholders. Love of Superman or nostolgia for the character will carry little weight when push comes to shove in the next couple of months.

I am not saying Legendary is going to walk, you invented that theory. Legendary is not relying on monetary gain from one movie, they have signed a 25 movie deal. Heck they backed Beerfest. They also backed Lady in the Water.

Do you think WB lives and dies by Legendary Pictures?

They are currently contributing to Mike Dougherty's Trick R Treat, draw your own connections from that.

[lexlives]

I am not saying Legendary is going to walk, you invented that theory. Legendary is not relying on monetary gain from one movie, they have signed a 25 movie deal. Heck they backed Beerfest. They also backed Lady in the Water.

Do you think WB lives and dies by Legendary Pictures?

They are currently contributing to Mike Dougherty's Trick R Treat, draw your own connections from that.


You are a bright guy no doubt and a true fan. Legendary aside,I can't fathom why you, as an obvious die-hard Superman fan, settle for the crap Singer gave us. At a time when Spidey and FF2 are getting the Cadillac treatment.

As I told someone else, for the life of me I can't figure some of you guys at times.

This is Superman - there should be no second rate writers, actors, FX or editing. We were had by Singer's wack pack and that an ever smaller group, thankfully it is shrinking, still tries to defend this mediocrity is beyond me.

[Freddy_Krueger]

You are a bright guy no doubt and a true fan. Legendary aside,I can't fathom why you, as an obvious die-hard Superman fan, settle for the crap Singer gave us. At a time when Spidey and FF2 are getting the Cadillac treatment.

As I told someone else, for the life of me I can't figure some of you guys at times.

This is Superman - there should be no second rate writers, actors, FX or editing. We were had by Singer's wack pack and that an ever smaller group, thnkfully it is shrinking, still tries to defend this mediocrity is beyond me.

lexlives, it's not that we're "settling." Settling makes it sound like we didn't care for the movie but accept it just to keep a franchise going. Those of us who liked the film liked it because we truly enjoyed the film and felt that it did a good job of bringing Superman back.

It's just a matter of perspective. The character is almost 70 years old and has gone through many different incarnations and interpretations. Thusly, everyone has a different idea as to who the character is. It just so happens that there is a split: about half feel that SR was a true representation of the character and about half feel that it wasn't (or it was, but simply wasn't fun enough).

[VenomsMom]

Superman has been around longer than anybody. 70 years worth of comics and 4 movies already under his belt. Numerous cartoon series. Its 2007 and they could not figure away to inject some excitement into the most iconic Superhero of all time. No excuse. He deserves more respect than Spidey and Batman.

[lexlives]

lexlives, it's not that we're "settling." Settling makes it sound like we didn't care for the movie but accept it just to keep a franchise going. Those of us who liked the film liked it because we truly enjoyed the film and felt that it did a good job of bringing Superman back.

It's just a matter of perspective. The character is almost 70 years old and has gone through many different incarnations and interpretations. Thusly, everyone has a different idea as to who the character is. It just so happens that there is a split: about half feel that SR was a true representation of the character and about half feel that it wasn't (or it was, but simply wasn't fun enough).


Ah, but therein lies the rub. There is no 50/50 split with the new Batman franchise or with Spideramn. That alone tells you there is something inherently flawed with the Singer vision. Does it need to be 100% positive - of course not. But 50/50 tells you it is flawed in a way BB and Spiderman are not. This is a huge, huge problem for any Singer sequel. It could well end up killing the franchise. Its why I am so adamant that WB needs to call it off, step back, look again and reboot down the road.

If a Singer sequel fails you and I will likley not see see another Superman film in our lifetimes. That is, as they say, a fact jack.

[Sun_Down]

Ah, but therein lies the rub. There is no 50/50 split with the new Batman franchise or with Spideramn. That alone tells you there is something inherently flawed with the Singer vision. Does it need to be 100% positive - of course not. But 50/50 tells you it is flawed in a way BB and Spiderman are not. This is a huge, huge problem for any Singer sequel. It could well end up killing the franchise. Its why I am so adamant that WB needs to call it off, step back, look again and reboot down the road.

If a Singer sequel fails you and I will likley not see see another Superman film in our lifetimes. That is, as they say, a fact jack.

First off, there are plenty of people who dislike Spider-Man (*raises hand*) and Batman Begins. Granted, there does seem to be more SR-haters, but that "50/50" doesn't mean that there is an inherent flaw in SR. It might mean that. It also might mean that there is something in inherently wrong with the fans. Maybe they'll never be pleased. Especially in this environment where the fans seem to think that the studio "owes" them something. It also might mean that the character is just too big to every truly be captured on screen. Who really knows?

You make a good point, but your "if-then" logic isn't really convincing me.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

You are a bright guy no doubt and a true fan. Legendary aside,I can't fathom why you, as an obvious die-hard Superman fan, settle for the crap Singer gave us. At a time when Spidey and FF2 are getting the Cadillac treatment.

As I told someone else, for the life of me I can't figure some of you guys at times.

This is Superman - there should be no second rate writers, actors, FX or editing. We were had by Singer's wack pack and that an ever smaller group, thankfully it is shrinking, still tries to defend this mediocrity is beyond me.

Once I saw that FF2 made it into "Cadillac" treatment for you. I think this post was lost on me :(

[LL2K2]

You are a bright guy no doubt and a true fan. Legendary aside,I can't fathom why you, as an obvious die-hard Superman fan, settle for the crap Singer gave us.

I can't fathom why you, as someone who claimed to enjoy the film, continue to focus only on the things you didn't like.

This is why I have the phrase "there is no such thing as a 'true fan'" in my signature. Because everyone has their own vision of what Superman (or any other hero, for that matter) is supposed to look/be/act like. And the fact that there are fans who are able to either take what's presented in front of them and roll with it, or not.

I happen to be an example of the former. Growing up, Chris Reeve was my Superman. When Lois & Clark premiered during my freshman year of high school, Dean Cain filled that role. When Smallville premiered in 2001, Tom Welling was the - emphasis on - Clark Kent (not yet Superman). And yes, for a short while I wanted Tom to be Superman. But as SV progressed, that idea became impossible. So, here we are in early 2007. We have a film out that did all right critically and at the BO, and a pretty darn good person in Brandon Routh to fill the blue tights. As I've said on other threads, SR wasn't perfect, but there is room for improvement for all involved. They really have nowhere to go but up.

[Ita-KalEl]

LexLives I really hope for an official word from Horn about the sequel at the ShoWest...so you will disappear forever.
Nevertheless there will be an official announcement about the SR sequel in the next mounths (May-July), and I'm 100% sure that the sequel is happening. While you are writing a ton of BS, the WB execs are reading the script.

[Ita-KalEl]

LexLives I really hope for an official word from Horn about the sequel at the ShoWest...so you will disappear forever.
Nevertheless there will be an official announcement about the SR sequel in the next mounths (May-July), and I'm 100% sure that the sequel is happening. While you are writing a ton of BS, the WB execs are reading the script.

[dark_b]

LexLives I really hope for an official word from Horn about the sequel at the ShoWest...so you will disappear forever.
Nevertheless there will be an official announcement about the SR sequel in the next mounths (May-July), and I'm 100% sure that the sequel is happening. While you are writing a ton of BS, the WB execs are reading the script.he will not go.he will still do the same thing.

they already said that there will be a sequel but he still says thta it is not true :cwink:

[Ita-KalEl]

If he is a man, he has to cancel his account in this forum and disappear forever. :)
But you are right, he has not dignity. Every mounth he invents another reason to troll and to write that the sequel will not happen. The DVD sales ( good, excecially wordlwide), then the Ghost Rider box office (which is ridiculous compared to the SR box office), and now the JLA movie. LOL
Really pathetic :)

But, I repeat, I really can't wait for the ShoWest. If Horn says something about the Superman sequel, LexLives will be the doom3d :D

[I_Hate_U_All]

I may be in the minority around here (heh heh) but IIiiiiiii don't think it's tooooo far fetched to believe this lexlives genuinely is dissapointed to see that all that good stuff in the comic was virtually ignored in favor of re-using stm's script for the new flick...

maybe it's just me

[Showtime]

You are a bright guy no doubt and a true fan. Legendary aside,I can't fathom why you, as an obvious die-hard Superman fan, settle for the crap Singer gave us. At a time when Spidey and FF2 are getting the Cadillac treatment.

As I told someone else, for the life of me I can't figure some of you guys at times.

This is Superman - there should be no second rate writers, actors, FX or editing. We were had by Singer's wack pack and that an ever smaller group, thankfully it is shrinking, still tries to defend this mediocrity is beyond me.

Legendary is aside because you have no argument, now you are trying to paint yourself as the "true fan" while I have settled. That is fine that you don't like Singer, Mike and Dan, or the movie. I don't want to change your mind, it's your opinion, and you should stick by it.

Where you go wrong is claiming your opinion is superior to others by patronizing posters and masking your opinion as fact while speaking for a so called majority. We were discussing Legendary's involvement in the sequel process and you turned it around into the overused, "true fan" bit, because your argument ran dry.

When you understand the difference between opinion and fact we might be able to have a sophisticated debate again, until then, do your thing. :cwink:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Legendary stated WELL before SR made $200 million domestic that they are on board for the sequel. THAT WAS REPORTED ON THIS VERY SITE LEXLIVES.

[Showtime]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=4852

Variety has confirmed that Bryan Singer has signed a deal with Warner Bros. Pictures to direct and produce a sequel to Superman Returns, with Legendary Pictures expected to co-finance.

The film is tentatively intended for release in summer 2009, although the studio stressed that there's not even a script or budget yet.

The sequel is apparently at the very beginning of the development process and, as with any other project, there are any number of factors that must be addressed before it is greenlit.

While Superman Returns wasn't the performer the studio had hoped for, it has earned more than $390 million worldwide and WB and Legendary say they will still turn a profit from the film.

The two companies are sure to insist that the sequel's production budget comes in under $200 million, adds the trade.

In terms of casting, Warner Bros. has an option on Superman Returns star Brandon Routh

[Superman Prime]

The dust has settled since then, though. It is very possible for Legendary to revoke that.

[Showtime]

The dust has settled since then, though. It is very possible for Legendary to revoke that.

I don't know why they would, they have stated that they turned a profit from the film. So it was profitable for them. Wouldn't make sense not to back it. Of rouse they could revoke it, but I still don't understand why?

[Superman Prime]

Well, I'm just saying. We can't rely too much on what an article said from five solid months ago. Something more recent might be convincing; how pleased was Warner Bros. with the SR DVD sales? That makes a difference.

[Showtime]

Well, I'm just saying. We can't rely too much on what an article said from five solid months ago. Something more recent might be convincing; how pleased was Warner Bros. with the SR DVD sales? That makes a difference.

I believe Legendary is irrelevant considering they have other partners and can reach a deal with another 3rd party. Legendary will not prevent the movie from happening.

If Legendary made a profit then, why would it change now? I am not following.

[Superman Prime]

Of course they made a profit by pitching in for Superman Returns. Recently in a letter to someone, I explained how the profit made from SR could've simply been because of the Superman icon itself. So many years without this famous hero, and suddenly he makes a return to the big-screen.

That head-start bonus won't happen with the sequel. Fans will be comparing the sequel (obviously), to SR. And many were disappointed. How does Warner Bros. or Legendary expect to make the same profit?

Maybe Legendary's cooperation is indeed irrelevant. I didn't come to disagree... just state a possibility.

[Showtime]

Of course they made a profit by pitching in for Superman Returns. Recently in a letter to someone, I explained how the profit made from SR could've simply been because of the Superman icon itself. So many years without this famous hero, and suddenly he makes a return to the big-screen.

That head-start bonus won't happen with the sequel. Fans will be comparing the sequel (obviously), to SR. And many were disappointed. How does Warner Bros. or Legendary expect to make the same profit?

Maybe Legendary's cooperation is indeed irrelevant. I didn't come to disagree... just state a possibility.

It could have been due to the \S/ itself sure, it could have been a combination, or not at all. I thought we were discussing Legendary here, and if the budget is lowered and possible sequel includes more action and a supervillian, how could Legendary not make money?

Many were disappointed? Define many?

This is all speculation anyway. It will all be revealed soon enough and we can talk facts rather than speculation.

[Billy Batson]

So with a smaller budget, what kind of film will you (SR) fans get?

[Superman Prime]

It could have been due to the \S/ itself sure, it could have been a combination, or not at all. I thought we were discussing Legendary here, and if the budget is lowered and possible sequel includes more action and a supervillian, how could Legendary not make money?

The B.O. results, and the DVD sales have everything to do with it. It's not unheard of for big money-makers to get cold feet and shove off the deal. Maybe the villains and action will attract more fans. All I can say, is it had better be a damned good trailer to enforce the promise and intoxicate the crowds.

Many were disappointed? Define many?

People love throwing this site around, so I'll give it a try.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/

76% .... Let's compare that to two other classic characters.

Batman Begins: 84% (+8)
Spider-Man 2: 93% (+17)

For a Superman movie, it didn't meet the mark. That might be subjective, but we have to stop and ask ourselves: "Why wasn't it received better?"

This is all speculation anyway. It will all be revealed soon enough and we can talk facts rather than speculation.

True.

[El Payaso]

People love throwing this site around, so I'll give it a try.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/

76% .... Let's compare that to two other classic characters.

Batman Begins: 84% (+8)
Spider-Man 2: 93% (+17)

For a Superman movie, it didn't meet the mark. That might be subjective, but we have to stop and ask ourselves: "Why wasn't it received better?"

Many many time in cinema history, audiences have demonstrated tjemselves by to rewarding mediocre movies and ignoring masterpieces. I mean, we all know that. Therefore, BO results for me has no real weight at the moment of assessing a movie.

[Superman Prime]

Even if, it might take decades for it to be accepted as a masterpiece. Do you think Superman Returns was a masterpiece, El Payaso?

[El Payaso]

Even if, it might take decades for it to be accepted as a masterpiece. Do you think Superman Returns was a masterpiece, El Payaso?

No, but honestly as a Superman movie it was ****ing good.

[Showtime]

The B.O. results, and the DVD sales have everything to do with it. It's not unheard of for big money-makers to get cold feet and shove off the deal. Maybe the villains and action will attract more fans. All I can say, is it had better be a damned good trailer to enforce the promise and intoxicate the crowds.



People love throwing this site around, so I'll give it a try.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/

76% .... Let's compare that to two other classic characters.

Batman Begins: 84% (+8)
Spider-Man 2: 93% (+17)

For a Superman movie, it didn't meet the mark. That might be subjective, but we have to stop and ask ourselves: "Why wasn't it received better?"



True.

I am still not following you, the box office results were already in by the end of October and Legendary Pictures already had confirmed they were in. After DVD sales come in and the movie makes more money, why would they back out? I still don't understand your theory.

Many turn to Rotten Tomatoes for reference, but luckily I am not one of them. I can't really take stock in 236 movie reviewers, although 180 out of that number thought it was "fresh". That is what they call, a small sampling of the population. We won't really know who is the minority or majority ever, it's speculation.

Sure anything can happen, nothing is guaranteed, especially in Hollywood. You or I don't really have to question why it wasn't received better, that question is for WB to work out on the sequel.

If there is a sequel Singer and company, or whomever is running the show, needs to brighten it up and add some action. Simple formula.

[lexlives]

It could have been due to the \S/ itself sure, it could have been a combination, or not at all. I thought we were discussing Legendary here, and if the budget is lowered and possible sequel includes more action and a supervillian, how could Legendary not make money?

Many were disappointed? Define many?

This is all speculation anyway. It will all be revealed soon enough and we can talk facts rather than speculation.
As Legendary goes so would the other potential co-financiers WB deals with. If Legendary bails I doubt WB will be able to line up another investor production company. The numbers Legendary bases its decision on will be the same numbers the other companies see and if fronting up to 100 million for a SR sequel does not make financial sense to Legendary, its likely won't to the others either.

IMO the reason a sequel is financially not viable is because its almost impossible for a sequel to make more than SR's 200 million.

In part as the sequel will not have the advantage SR did of being the first Superman film in years. That alone turned out some for SR but a sequel won't have that draw.

More action could make up for this somewhat but that means kic* a** trailers and I doubt Singer and company can do that kind of trailer. Using the poor trailers for SR as a guide of what to expect.

But even if the action is good the baggage reamains. Routh and Bosworth failed to engage audiences with their performances and basically that means there is no ongoing emotional buy in to the characters. Its why WOM was awful and why no one seems interested in seeing Superman return for a sequel. Not to mention poor writing, poor editing, the kid. The perception is that SR was perhaps the biggest disappointment of 2006. That is what audiences will remember and that will keep them away and threaten a sequel with a smaller BO even that SR.

Yes the budget will be cut around 50 million - which begs th question how can they do the absolutely needed 4 or 5 major action scenes on a much smaller budget - and that makes a defacto profit that SR did not have. But that is not a significant sum given the investment. The worry is too that the budget cut could hamper the action and actually lead to an even lesser BO for the sequel than for SR.

The financials simply don't warrant a sequel. The parallel to Hulk is striking. Lee said for almost a year after the Hulk release there would be a sequel, but the studio finally stepped in and said no.

The fact we have heard absolutely nothing from WB for 5 months, despite what Spacey or Harris may have said in passing, is the key here and an indication IMO that the studio is not at all happy with the franchise or solid on a sequel.

Its almost been a year for SR as it was for the Hulk so hopefully it won't be long now before WB puts this horse out to pasture. Only then can Superman start to get out from under the cloud SR and Singer have cast over the franchise. We will also be able to start the countdown - granted a long 15 or 20 year countdown - to the eventual reboot/relaunch of the franchise.

[Showtime]

As Legendary goes so would the other potential co-financiers WB deals with. If Legendary bails I doubt WB will be able to line up another investor production company. The numbers Legendary bases its decision on will be the same numbers the other companies see and if fronting up to 100 million for a SR sequel does not make financial sense to Legendary, its likely won't to the others either.

IMO the reason a sequel is financially not viable is because its almost impossible for a sequel to make more than SR's 200 million.

In part as the sequel will not have the advantage SR did of being the first Superman film in years. That alone turned out some for SR but a sequel won't have that draw.

More action could make up for this somewhat but that means kic* a** trailers and I doubt Singer and company can do that kind of trailer. Using the poor trailers for SR as a guide of what to expect.

But even if the action is good the baggage reamains. Routh and Bosworth failed to engage audiences with their performances and basically that means there is no ongoing emotional buy in to the characters. Its why WOM was awful and why no one seems interested in seeing Superman return for a sequel. Not to mention poor writing, poor editing, the kid. The perception is that SR was perhaps the biggest disappointment of 2006. That is what audiences will remember and that will keep them away and threaten a sequel with a smaller BO even that SR.

Yes the budget will be cut around 50 million - which begs th question how can they do the absolutely needed 4 or 5 major action scenes on a much smaller budget - and that makes a defacto profit that SR did not have. But that is not a significant sum given the investment. The worry is too that the budget cut could hamper the action and actually lead to an even lesser BO for the sequel than for SR.

The financials simply don't warrant a sequel. The parallel to Hulk is striking. Lee said for almost a year after the Hulk release there would be a sequel, but the studio finally stepped in and said no.

The fact we have heard absolutely nothing from WB for 5 months, despite what Spacey or Harris may have said in passing, is the key here and an indication IMO that the studio is not at all happy with the franchise or solid on a sequel.

Its almost been a year for SR as it was for the Hulk so hopefully it won't be long now before WB puts this horse out to pasture. Only then can Superman start to get out from under the cloud SR and Singer have cast over the franchise. We will also be able to start the countdown - granted a long 15 or 20 year countdown - to the eventual reboot/relaunch of the franchise.

Opinion does not equal fact.

[VenomsMom]

Smaller budgets, its looking like Superman3 all over again.

[Showtime]

Smaller budgets, its looking like Superman3 all over again.

Let me guess...with Gus Gorman played by Chris Tucker...:whatever:

[wellsy]

So with a smaller budget, what kind of film will you (SR) fans get?
If all goes well, we'll get a Wrath of Khan (MoS) to our Star Trek: The Motion Picture (SR).

Remember that WoK was made for a third of TMP, but still had phasers firing, ships exploding, the Mutara Nebula, and competition with Star Wars, and did extremely well.

If Singer can do that, then will you all please debate fact rather than opinion. PLEASE?!

[VenomsMom]

Let me guess...with Gus Gorman played by Chris Tucker...:whatever:
Your just too quick.:wow:

[Showtime]

Your just too quick.:wow:

I didn't want to feed into your GG obsession...but...

http://www.comicgate.de/cmdb/gfx/superman3_02.jpg

[VenomsMom]

I didn't want to feed into your GG obsession...but...

http://www.comicgate.de/cmdb/gfx/superman3_02.jpgGus Gorman, one of the greatest villains ever.:woot:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

The financials simply don't warrant a sequel. The parallel to Hulk is striking. Lee said for almost a year after the Hulk release there would be a sequel, but the studio finally stepped in and said no.


Hmmm... That comment is flawed.

The Hulk B.O.
Domestic: $132,177,234 53.9%+ Foreign: $113,107,931 46.1%= Worldwide: $245,285,165


Now let's see SR in comparison:
Domestic: $200,081,192 51.2%+ Foreign: $191,000,000 48.8%= Worldwide: $391,081,192

Also SR has an oscar nomination. Critically it was much better received than the Hulk.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hulk/

[VenomsMom]

Superman and Hulk. Apples and Oranges.

[Ita-KalEl]

The style of LexLives is "speculations versus facts". :whatever:
By now we have only confirmations (from the WB, from Variety, from Legendary and from the writers), and I'm sure that Horn will say something about the sequel at the ShoWest.

LexLives if you think to be a smart person with your theories, you are drunk.
According to your crappy logic, at SONY they are only a group of idiots because they greenlited the sequel of Hellboy:

Budget: $66 million
Domestic: $59,623,958 60.0%
+ Foreign: $39,695,029 40.0%

And believe me, Helboy sold 1/10 of the SR merchandise and dvds.
Dear LexLives, prepare your bags, because you'll leave soon this forum :D

[Freddy_Krueger]

Superman and Hulk. Apples and Oranges.

Then why the hell was it brought up as a comparison to begin with?

[VenomsMom]

Then why the hell was it brought up as a comparison to begin with?
Why dont you ask them, I didnt bring it up.:huh:

[Showtime]

Then why the hell was it brought up as a comparison to begin with?

Guess. Who would bring it up and why would they? :cwink:

[Freddy_Krueger]

Haha, you're right Showtime. Sorry Venom, for some reason I thought it was you who had brought it up initially.

Ah lexlives, the one person on Earth who has nothing better to do than spend days on in just complaining about a movie he didn't like.

[Freddy_Krueger]

*double post*

[Mentok]

Well, its been a few months since I have been here. I see that LEXLIVES still thinks he can have an effect on the next film by complaining about SR to anybody that will listen.

[what_19]

most of the time the sequels end of being the best of the series...spiderman 2 was better than the 1st...um...superman 2 was pretty damn good...the original star wars 2 was sweet...rocky 2 was sweet...saw 2 (looked good..havent actually seen it but saw 1 was good)...american pie 2 was good...so superman returns 2 will be awesome..how can it fail?

[lexlives]

most of the time the sequels end of being the best of the series...spiderman 2 was better than the 1st...um...superman 2 was pretty damn good...the original star wars 2 was sweet...rocky 2 was sweet...saw 2 (looked good..havent actually seen it but saw 1 was good)...american pie 2 was good...so superman returns 2 will be awesome..how can it fail?

For all the reasons that have been argued to death. Generally, this team from Singer to D&H to Routh, Bosworth, the FX team and Ottman failed to deliver a good product. How do you expect that the exact same team with a smaller budget can do better. it doesn't add up.

[El Payaso]

For all the reasons that have been argued to death. Generally, this team from Singer to D&H to Routh, Bosworth, the FX team and Ottman failed to deliver a good product. How do you expect that the exact same team with a smaller budget can do better. it doesn't add up.

Naturally, the more money the better movie, anyone knows.

[lexlives]

Hmmm... That comment is flawed.

The Hulk B.O.
Domestic: $132,177,234 53.9%+ Foreign: $113,107,931 46.1%= Worldwide: $245,285,165


Now let's see SR in comparison:
Domestic: $200,081,192 51.2%+ Foreign: $191,000,000 48.8%= Worldwide: $391,081,192

Also SR has an oscar nomination. Critically it was much better received than the Hulk.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hulk/

You miss the point. It is what the films cost to produce versus their BO.

Hulk actuially made a little more than it cost to produce from the domestic BO alone. SR did not.

The parallels are striking - down to Lee and some of his team insisting a sequel would happen for up to a year after the releases while the studio was basically silent. Prior to the Hulk DVD launh the studio sort of hinted there could be a Hulksequel but in hindsight I am pretty sure they were trying to boost DVD sales and not really serious.

But even if the Hulk studio was serious in that early indication there could be a sequel they fell silent for a long while and ended up changing their mind.

Again, the Huilk has everything to do with SR. WB will be watching the Hulk relaunch next year and if it does well that may encourage them to try Superman again down the road but as in a reboot/relaunch.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Again, the Huilk has everything to do with SR. WB will be watching the Hulk relaunch next year and if it does well that may encourage them to try Superman again down the road but as in a reboot/relaunch.

Always reaching for another event, eh Lex? "If they don't announce the film at ShoWest, the sequel is DOA."

"If FF2 does well, WB'll be watching and will consider a reboot."

"If the Hulk reboot does well, WB will be watching and will attempt another reboot in about 1.5 billion years."

Pick a theory and go with it. And while you're at it, JUST MOVE ON FOR GOD'S SAKE. Your constant looking for reasons to complain about SR and its impending sequel is just sad at this point. You would think that the coming of a sequel would signal the end of the universe as we know it with the way you're acting.

[Maze]

Lex,

a movie is greenlighted when a script finished and approved:you know for budgetary reason etc ..

Dark knight has been greenlighted in July of last year . One year after the release of begins.

does that mean that one could say that Dark knight was dead in the water for one year?

Another thing ,note that unlike Singer lee has never signed an agreement to write and direct a sequel. expressing interest for a year ? maybe . but not to my knowledge..link?

anyways the studio didn't seem to want him back unlike Singer.

you continue to not make any sense Lex .

[lexlives]

Lex,

a movie is greenlighted when a script finished and approved:you know for budgetary reason etc ..

Dark knight has been greenlighted in July of last year . One year after the release of begins.

does that mean that one could say that Dark knight was dead in the water for one year?

Another thing ,note that unlike Singer lee has never signed an agreement to write and direct a sequel. expressing interest for a year ? maybe . but not to my knowledge..link?

anyways the studio didn't seem to want him back unlike Singer.

you continue to not make any sense Lex .


But the key difference is that WB was able to announce TDK as their tentpole 2008 film at ShoWest - even though they did not have a finalized script or budget agreement on that script. That came in July as you say.

But WB was obviously 100% confident and committed back in March of that year and so announced. That won't happen with SR and that makes a world of difference..

[Venom'sDad]

Hmmm... That comment is flawed.

The Hulk B.O.
Domestic: $132,177,234 53.9%+ Foreign: $113,107,931 46.1%= Worldwide: $245,285,165


Now let's see SR in comparison:
Domestic: $200,081,192 51.2%+ Foreign: $191,000,000 48.8%= Worldwide: $391,081,192

Also SR has an oscar nomination. Critically it was much better received than the Hulk.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hulk/

You are misleading with those figures.... I have to agree with lexlives. The Hulk made slightly more than three time its budget. That warrant a sequel. They can easily fund a sequel and even increase the budget for that sequel and still have money in the bank. Superman cannot do that. It final budget ended around $250 mil. Leaving the franchise with $141 mil profit. Which means that the franchise would hvae to use money it made from merchandising to help fund a sequel.... a la the propose rumored decrease budget for the sequel.

Soo comparing Hulk to Supes is really like comparing apples to grapes.... Hulk was a smaller budget film that made tons of money.... but they both was BAD films.

[lexlives]

You are misleading with those figures.... I have to agree with lexlives. The Hulk made slightly more than three time its budget. That warrant a sequel. They can easily fund a sequel and even increase the budget for that sequel and still have money in the bank. Superman cannot do that. It final budget ended around $250 mil. Leaving the franchise with $141 mil profit. Which means that the franchise would hvae to use money it made from merchandising to help fund a sequel.... a la the propose rumored decrease budget for the sequel.

Soo comparing Hulk to Supes is really like comparing apples to grapes.... Hulk was a smaller budget film that made tons of money.... but they both was BAD films.


This is true - based on its budget Hulk was a moderate financial success and really outperformed SR.

SR really stands at the bottom of the list of recent superhero films in terms of being a finacial success based on its cost to make/market. Its in the cxellar along with Catwoman.

There is no financial sense in continuing.

[AssMan]

UST MOVE ON FOR GOD'S SAKE

I do not think he has any idea on what these words mean.

[GreenKToo]

LexLives is correct in saying that the studio was silent about a Hulk sequel, while Lee was insisting a sequel was forthcoming. The difference between The Hulk and S.R. is, not only singer, but W.B. have been saying a sequel is happening. So Lex going by your logic, a superman sequel by singer must be happening, since W.B. says it is, or are they lying??

[Maze]

double post.

[Maze]

But the key difference is that WB was able to announce TDK as their tentpole 2008 film at ShoWest - even though they did not have a finalized script or budget agreement on that script. That came in July as you say.

But WB was obviously 100% confident and committed back in March of that year and so announced. That won't happen with SR and that makes a world of difference..

Ok you're talking about showest?did i miss something?Has showest happened this year ? :o :cwink:

you make statement without backing with anything ( as proven with your poor Hulk comparaison) that make one hell of a difference.

facts , Lex , facts.

[Maze]

This is true - based on its budget Hulk was a moderate financial success and really outperformed SR.

SR really stands at the bottom of the list of recent superhero films in terms of being a finacial success based on its cost to make/market. Its in the cxellar along with Catwoman.

There is no financial sense in continuing.
No it is not true:

Hulk Budget "official" budget :$137 million /box office 245,285,165 (approximatively) 108 millions at the box office

Superman Returns "official "budget $270 million/box office :391,081,192 (approximatively )121 millions at the box office.

[lexlives]

No it is not true:

Hulk Budget "official" budget :$137 million /box office 245,285,165 (approximatively) 108 millions at the box office

Superman Returns "official "budget $270 million/box office :391,081,192 (approximatively )121 millions at the box office.

No, using your figures Hulk did 1.78 times it budget nd SR just 1.44 times. You can't spin this. Hulk was "more successful". Though neither was really. But Hulk's toys did better because of the Hulk hand which was huge. SR has no grabber toy like that.

[lexlives]

No it is not true:

Hulk Budget "official" budget :$137 million /box office 245,285,165 (approximatively) 108 millions at the box office

Superman Returns "official "budget $270 million/box office :391,081,192 (approximatively )121 millions at the box office.

No, using your figures Hulk did 1.78 times it budget and SR just 1.44 times. You can't spin this. Hulk was "more successful". Though neither was really. But Hulk's toys did better because of the Hulk hand which was huge. SR has no grabber toy like that.

[Maze]

No, using your figures Hulk did 1.78 times it budget and SR just 1.44 times. You can't spin this. Hulk was "more successful". Though neither was really. But Hulk's toys did better because of the Hulk hand which was huge. SR has no grabber toy like that.
No ,

either you don't know how to count either i dunno? lol

anyways , please continue you even managed to turn some "anti" Singer against you .:o

you are not helping your cause at all lex..

ps: as for your hulk toys sales come back with real back up to yours statements for once ( and please , please count well :D ;) )

[lexlives]

no , either you don't know how to count either i dunno? lol

anyways , please continue you even managed to turn some "anti" Singer against you .:o

you are not helping your cause at all lex..

ps: as for your hulk toys sales come back with real back up to yours statements for once ( and please , please count well :D ;) )

Counting - let me see. And using your figure.

Hulk - 137 to make with a WW box of 245. Let me thing here 245 divided by 137?! Did I get that right. Methinks so. That comes out to the Hulk making 1.78 at the WW box of what it cost to produce - excluding makreketing which makes the numbers even worse for SR but I won't go there.

Now SR - again your numbers. 250 million to make and a 391 WW box. Let's see, doing the division that comes to 1.56.

Which is the greater multiplier? The film with the greater multiplier did better. Anyway that is how I learned it in school.

[Maze]

The problem Lex is that we are not talking at all about the same thing :o

starting from the start . you have approven this quote The Hulk made slightly more than three time its budget
That is simply not true .

And based on money, on viewers , not the percentage based on budget , Superman did better than Hulk.

we'll call it a day eh? :o :woot: :cwink:

Ps : the budget for the two movies were with marketing costs ( source box office mojo)

[Venom'sDad]

Maze... I made the statement "The Hulk made slightly more than three time its budget" , because I remember some Posters on the Hulk boards saying that the budget for the Hulk was $80 million. Being they were so-called die hard Hulk fans, I took their word for it. I was wrong in that figure and should have done my own homework... which you are correct. The budget was $137 million (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=hulk.htm). I apologize to lexlives for mis-informed information.

[wellsy]

Would somebody please give lexlives the boot from this forum.

He manages to hijack just about every topic that has been opened, and I, for one, am sick of it.

He argues that his opinion is fact, uses faulty logic (attempting to apply theorems to an industry where the rules are constantly in flux), and simply trolls to the detriment of constructive discourse on this forum.

PLEASE, SEND HIM AWAY!

Who else is for this?

[VenomsMom]

Would somebody please give lexlives the boot from this forum.

He manages to hijack just about every topic that has been opened, and I, for one, am sick of it.

He argues that his opinion is fact, uses faulty logic (attempting to apply theorems to an industry where the rules are constantly in flux), and simply trolls to the detriment of constructive discourse on this forum.

PLEASE, SEND HIM AWAY!

Who else is for this?
Whether you agree or disagree with his opinions or distorted facts he has as much right to be here as much as me, you or anyone else for that matter. You can always choose to ignore him. You have that option.

[Freddy_Krueger]

It's hard to ignore someone when they hijack a topic and just repeat the same argument and distorted facts over and over again. He doesn't like the film, that's fine. But the fact of the matter is that he trolls and will turn the simplest thread into a "Sequel won't happen" thread. It's continuous and is the very definition of trolling.

[VenomsMom]

It's hard to ignore someone when they hijack a topic and just repeat the same argument and distorted facts over and over again. He doesn't like the film, that's fine. But the fact of the matter is that he trolls and will turn the simplest thread into a "Sequel won't happen" thread. It's continuous and is the very definition of trolling.
Yes, but for some reason or another he honestly believes what he is saying. I cant answer why but it just doesnt bother me one bit as I believe what I believe. We're here to discuss the possibilities of a sequel that apparently he thinks wont happen. Oh well.

[redcaped]

Are there more loyal fans than anyone else? You know, people that are willing to pay a few more bucks to keep their favorite hero on the screen.

[Pickle-El]

I'd but out entire theaters if I was rich......just to make SR's sequel have a good opening weekend. :o

(I"ll bet that's what the WB will do in 09', right lex?)

[VenomsMom]

Are there more loyal fans than anyone else? You know, people that are willing to pay a few bucks more to keep their favorite hero on the screen.
Are we getting desperate? Is that really necessary?

[redcaped]

Yes it is. In the past you only get to see a movie once in your lifetime. At present we get the chance to own them on blu-ray or whatever, I think is only fair to offer our contribution to those of our interest.

[GreenKToo]

and miss his reaction when the sequel is *OFFICIALLY* officially :cwink: announced???, NEVAH.:woot: Would somebody please give lexlives the boot from this forum.

He manages to hijack just about every topic that has been opened, and I, for one, am sick of it.

He argues that his opinion is fact, uses faulty logic (attempting to apply theorems to an industry where the rules are constantly in flux), and simply trolls to the detriment of constructive discourse on this forum.

PLEASE, SEND HIM AWAY!

Who else is for this?

[Maze]

Well , his reaction will just be "nahh , the movie is not going to be shot"

after all that is the guy who said weeks before Sr started shooting that it will never see the light of day ..:woot:

ps : and don't forget his prediction about smalville ending what two years ago? :woot:

[Cyrusbales]

I didn't like SR much first time round, but second time round I loved it, the second half is still weak, and Jason needs to die, lol. But I think SR is one of the better comic book movies of the last 17 years or so

[Rated-X]

:whatever: You have got to be kidding? One of the best in nearly two decades??? :huh: L.M.A.O. Literally. :woot:

[Cyrusbales]

:whatever: You have got to be kidding? One of the best in nearly two decades??? :huh: L.M.A.O. Literally. :woot:

I put it in the top half, below B89 and BR, blade, Hellboy, X2, SM obviously, but above Hulk, DD, punisher, elektra, dick tracey, x3, think about it, there's a lot of crappy CB films, so being one of the better ones isn't that difficult to be fair!

[Rated-X]

I put it in the top half, below B89 and BR, blade, Hellboy, X2, SM obviously, but above Hulk, DD, punisher, elektra, dick tracey, x3, think about it, there's a lot of crappy CB films, so being one of the better ones isn't that difficult to be fair!

Looking at your list, I would definitely put it over Dick Tracey, Hulk, DD, but Punisher? NO WAY!

[Cyrusbales]

Looking at your list, I would definitely put it over Dick Tracey, Hulk, DD, but Punisher? NO WAY!

Punisher felt like it was building to something that never came, the badass punisher from the comics wasn't really there for me. The supporting 'freinds' made for anyoying watching, and I felt little or no emotional impact.

[redcaped]

The badass punisher from the comics wasn't really there for me.
You cannot have this character in any Spider-Man sequel just to be like comics. As for Superman, give him more freedom to exist.

[El Payaso]

Looking at your list, I would definitely put it over Dick Tracey, Hulk, DD, but Punisher? NO WAY!

Hoho. Why not? Punisher was a lousy sleeping pill.

[I_Hate_U_All]

Punisher felt like it was building to something that never came, the badass punisher from the comics wasn't really there for me. The supporting 'freinds' made for anyoying watching, and I felt little or no emotional impact.

All you have to say is that it Sucked. No explanation needed. Everyone already knows it sucked. Those who don't... well... some of us are koo koo.

I do look forward to a sequel though since Thom Jane is perfect for the role.

[Showtime]

Would somebody please give lexlives the boot from this forum.

He manages to hijack just about every topic that has been opened, and I, for one, am sick of it.

He argues that his opinion is fact, uses faulty logic (attempting to apply theorems to an industry where the rules are constantly in flux), and simply trolls to the detriment of constructive discourse on this forum.

PLEASE, SEND HIM AWAY!

Who else is for this?

No matter how much you dislike a poster's opinion, everybody has the right to post. Although I agree he argues his opinion as fact in nearly every thread, until he breaks a forum rule, he has every right to be here as any of us.

It is what it is. :dry:

[redcaped]

a poster's opinion
I didn't know posters can talk, but I understand words can be felt like images once in a while.

[Spiderine]

Will Lois and Superman rekindle their relationship?

[wellsy]

Well, I had to get it off my chest.

And I really am sick and tired of him doing this.

[GreenKToo]

Wellsy: its kool. we'll hopefully find out from showest this week about the sequel (for those that need it that is ;) )

[Showtime]

Well, I had to get it off my chest.

And I really am sick and tired of him doing this.

I understand. Just try not to take it so seriously and have fun. Could possibly be some news from Showest concerning the sequel.

[Venom'sDad]

I would think that if they are announcing a reduction in the budget for the sequel...... that pretty much confirm there will be a sequel. Why get up in arms about it. It's going to happen..... hell just hope it's good..... or at least better.

[Spiderine]

A lot of questions remain to be answered and should be addressed in the sequel.

[superbaby]

A lot of questions remain to be answered and should be addressed in the sequel.
don't try to resolve the unresolve-able. small mess would be a big mess then.

[redcaped]

I want more from Krypton, more background story is needed.

[M.O.Steel]

Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling they just don't seem interested in making this sequel...it kinda sucks

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy M.O.Steel! :)

Perhaps thats their plan. To let the bad smell that is Superman Returns fade away (by giving Singer some 'legitimate'* excuses) and then restart the franchise.

*...because we all know some gay rights movie is a bigger entity for Warner Bros. than the Superman franchise and thus MUST take precedence. :whatever:

[M.O.Steel]

how disappointing...

[deathshead2]

Wb has no idea what they want anymore. They can't decided if they want to keep using Singer hoping he can pull a X-2, or should they try and rehire Brett ratner or someone like him to pull a X-3 thats just a action picture. WB just can't understand why there movies aren't pulling Marvel movie numbers.

[mjbull23]

The longer WB wait to release an official announcement, the more I am inclined to believe the rumor floating around about their interest in gauging Hulk 08's numbers and using that data as a barometer in determining whether they release MOS.

[buggs0268]

I think they are more interested at the moment in a JLA movie.

[Super Kal]

it does feel generally pessimistic

[Showtime]

I think you guys are reaching here. You think that they are going to be still wearing Superman T-Shirts under their suits or drinking Superman Tropicana OJ a year after the release? There are other movies that WB is prepping and preparing for, for instance, the DK. Last year was the year of Superman, this year it's business as usual at WB. I find the lack of news frustrating and aggrevating but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't interested. Sure we all have our own theories:

"Singer is out, they are unhappy with him!"
"They want to do JLA because they have a 1st draft already!"
"Singer has delayed the sequel because he is working on other projects!"

The theories and speculation are rampant, but for the most part, that is all they are.

[dark_b]

WB is obviously not the right studio for superman. to bad because they really have knooooooooooooow idea what they want with this franchise.

[M.O.Steel]

I think you guys are reaching here. You think that they are going to be still wearing Superman T-Shirts under their suits or drinking Superman Tropicana OJ a year after the release? There are other movies that WB is prepping and preparing for, for instance, the DK. Last year was the year of Superman, this year it's business as usual at WB. I find the lack of news frustrating and aggrevating but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't interested. Sure we all have our own theories:

"Singer is out, they are unhappy with him!"
"They want to do JLA because they have a 1st draft already!"
"Singer has delayed the sequel because he is working on other projects!"

The theories and speculation are rampant, but for the most part, that is all they are.

While i wouldn't go as far as wearing the tshirts and drinking the OJ, but people were talking about sequel of transformers before this even came out, and spiderman 3 had a release date before spiderman 2 even came out. Batman was in the news more or less the entire time post Bbegins.

[Showtime]

I am not sure that is really the case DB, they might be exploring all options or might be busy on other projects. We don't know what the studio's mindset is right now. Them being happy with a 1st draft of a JLA film really doesn't mean much, even if Singer ends up doing MILK, JLA might never see the light of day. This is how Hollywood has always worked, nothing has changed, things are not written in stone.

[Dr. Fate]

While i wouldn't go as far as wearing the tshirts and drinking the OJ, but people were talking about sequel of transformers before this even came out, and spiderman 3 had a release date before spiderman 2 even came out. Batman was in the news more or less the entire time post Bbegins.
SR didn't seem to make much of an impression on the public, did it? Even with $200 million domestically (which they had to leave the film in theaters a few extra months for just to reach mind you).

BTW M.O.Steel, I like your use of the Homer Simpson quote in your signature.

[Showtime]

While i wouldn't go as far as wearing the tshirts and drinking the OJ, but people were talking about sequel of transformers before this even came out, and spiderman 3 had a release date before spiderman 2 even came out. Batman was in the news more or less the entire time post Bbegins.

Right but not all movies work like that, I in turn can point to many sequels which didn't work like that. You are doing what anybody should in a debate, using examples that fit your argument, which is fine but doesn't encompass the big picture.

That being said, if Superman Returns had done 500million WW then what you are describing would have had a better chance of happening with Returns.

[Super Kal]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see

[M.O.Steel]

SR didn't seem to make much of an impression on the public, did it? Even with $200 million domestically (which they had to leave the film in theaters a few extra months for just to reach mind you).

BTW M.O.Steel, I like your use of the Homer Simpson quote in your signature.

HAha, thanks. I was laughing tears the first time i heard him say it.

And yeah i agree, it didn't make as big of an impact as everyone thought it would have. but i figured since they had a goal, once they reached it (no matter how it got there), i would think they would drastic measures to change it. i guess we;ll just have to wait and see. I really wouldn't mind the "hulk" approach, and it kinda makes sense that they would want to see how well that sits with the audience.

[Showtime]

Do you have an auto message KAK, you've been saying that in every thread Heh Heh.

[Super Kal]

lol, sorry... just making up for lost time i guess

but what i said is true... I hate it that we have to wait too, because nothing would make me happier to hear Singer and Mingenbach off the project, but, ya know... I have to wait...


which sucks.

[Showtime]

Ha Ha. I think you mean Mingebach and Singer. Order of hate first.

[Super Kal]

lol, well, not really... Singer was the one who approved of it, so he could of chose something different, so I put most of the blame on him

[El Payaso]

Where's the interest? In all of us.

[M.O.Steel]

Where's the interest? In all of us.

if only we had the power to do something about it...IT just seems to me that the people who have it, aren't...

[El Payaso]

if only we had the power to do something about it...IT just seems to me that the people who have it, aren't...

That people are interested in the money not Superman at all. If we had the power to do a movie we'd be facing the same problems as any director, trying to satisfy billions of different tastes and therefore, forced to follow a formula.

[GreenKToo]

It seems to me that the guy that was giving you some inside info before may have been on to something.Right but not all movies work like that, I in turn can point to many sequels which didn't work like that. You are doing what anybody should in a debate, using examples that fit your argument, which is fine but doesn't encompass the big picture.

That being said, if Superman Returns had done 500million WW then what you are describing would have had a better chance of happening with Returns.

[nolan's roll'n]

Yeah especially since the sequel will be delayed because of other films that Singer will be directing before it.

[odiin]

The longer WB wait to release an official announcement, the more I am inclined to believe the rumor floating around about their interest in gauging Hulk 08's numbers and using that data as a barometer in determining whether they release MOS.

I never understood this rumour. What does the Hulk have to do with the next Superman movie? Why would it have more of an effect on TMOS than Iron Man or (more logically) The Dark Knight, or any other big blockbuster film?

[M.O.Steel]

I never understood this rumour. What does the Hulk have to do with the next Superman movie? Why would it have more of an effect on TMOS than Iron Man or (more logically) The Dark Knight, or any other big blockbuster film?


I think the idea behind is to see if changing everything (cast, story, director) will have an impact on the movie. If it still generates a lot of money, or even more, then they can just clean house and start over (semi-following SR). IF it ends up being a bomb where no one really likes the idea ofeverything changing so much, then they would prolly still stick with singer.

[dark_b]

I think the idea behind is to see if changing everything (cast, story, director) will have an impact on the movie. If it still generates a lot of money, or even more, then they can just clean house and start over (semi-following SR). IF it ends up being a bomb where no one really likes the idea ofeverything changing so much, then they would prolly still stick with singer.
WB thinking: if hulk will make tons of moeny then we also should change everything.
after 5 years Wb has bomb and thinks: where did we do wrong.

when will those guys start to think?

[odiin]

I think the idea behind is to see if changing everything (cast, story, director) will have an impact on the movie. If it still generates a lot of money, or even more, then they can just clean house and start over (semi-following SR). IF it ends up being a bomb where no one really likes the idea ofeverything changing so much, then they would prolly still stick with singer.

Sounds like a BS rumour to me. Even if a lot of people were underwhelmed by it, Superman Returns was still well recieved, noticeably moreso than Hulk was, at least.

IMDB Rating:
SR: 6.9 - Hulk: 5.9

Rotten Tomatoes Rating:
SR: 76 - Hulk: 61

Metacritic Rating:
SR: 72 - Hulk: 54

Now, granted those aren't GREAT marks, but they are at good. I doubt they would want to go through the effort of completely red-doing everything again. If anything, the next movie will probably have very a different tone to it, but I can't see them completely re-doing everything.

[buggs0268]

Go read the user reviews for Superman Returns at IMDB. It tells a different story. Most people call it boring, or that they hated it.

[M.O.Steel]

Sounds like a BS rumour to me. Even if a lot of people were underwhelmed by it, Superman Returns was still well recieved, noticeably moreso than Hulk was, at least.

IMDB Rating:
SR: 6.9 - Hulk: 5.9

Rotten Tomatoes Rating:
SR: 76 - Hulk: 61

Metacritic Rating:
SR: 72 - Hulk: 54

Now, granted those aren't GREAT marks, but they are at good. I doubt they would want to go through the effort of completely red-doing everything again. If anything, the next movie will probably have very a different tone to it, but I can't see them completely re-doing everything.

Actually, i never read that rumor. Someone here just brought it up, and i was trying to figure out why. and you're right, it's not likely that they going to redo everything. The thing is hulk porlly cost about half as much as SR. So the marginal profit prolly was higher for the hulk.

[odiin]

Actually, i never read that rumor. Someone here just brought it up, and i was trying to figure out why. and you're right, it's not likely that they going to redo everything. The thing is hulk porlly cost about half as much as SR. So the marginal profit prolly was higher for the hulk.

Yeah, the Hulk made I think about $25 million more profit domestically than SR did, but the remedy to that would be to simply take the next one in a direction that would get more people excited to see it (More action, villain(s) comparable in strength to Superman, etc...) A re-do doesn't really make sense at this point when the problems Superman Returns had can be remedied as is. Plus pretty much everyone involved seems to be pretty much ready to go. I don't think the actors (or director) of Hulk were even signed on to multiple ones, were they?

[M.O.Steel]

Yeah, the Hulk made I think about $25 million more profit domestically than SR did, but the remedy to that would be to simply take the next one in a direction that would get more people excited to see it (More action, villain(s) comparable in strength to Superman, etc...) A re-do doesn't really make sense at this point when the problems Superman Returns had can be remedied as is. Plus pretty much everyone involved seems to be pretty much ready to go. I don't think the actors (or director) of Hulk were even signed on to multiple ones, were they?

I was one of the few that liked hulk. I really liked bana as banner and was sad to see him go. I wouldn't have taken the approach with teh hulk that they are taking, but that's what they feel, and alot of the folks seem to like the way it's heading.

I didn't like SR (although i like brandon routh), and would love to be proven wrong with teh sequel with the same crew.

[odiin]

I was one of the few that liked hulk. I really liked bana as banner and was sad to see him go. I wouldn't have taken the approach with teh hulk that they are taking, but that's what they feel, and alot of the folks seem to like the way it's heading.

I didn't like SR (although i like brandon routh), and would love to be proven wrong with teh sequel with the same crew.

Honestly, I think the complete change in the Hulk has little to do with the Studio wanting to "start over" and more to do with the fact that the cast and crew of the first film didn't really have much of a desire to keep going at this. Everyone involved has sort of moved on at this point. Whereas the people involved with SR are already ready to do another one. If Bryan Singer wasn't interested, and Brandon didn't really care about doing it anymore. I'm sure then they probably would re-do it, but that's not the case.

[M.O.Steel]

Honestly, I think the complete change in the Hulk has little to do with the Studio wanting to "start over" and more to do with the fact that the cast and crew of the first film didn't really have much of a desire to keep going at this. Everyone involved has sort of moved on at this point. Whereas the people involved with SR are already ready to do another one. If Bryan Singer wasn't interested, and Brandon didn't really care about doing it anymore. I'm sure then they probably would re-do it, but that's not the case.

Interesting, i didn't know that. To tell you the truth, i have no idea under what circumstances the new hulk is forming.

The thing is, i started this thread when i heard that the production of SR2 is delayed because singer was directing other project. It just seemed to me that singer keeps pusing it off to do other projects. Tahts what sparked me into thinking he lost interest in the movie. I mean, the only thing i've heard about it is what brandon said and that it was listed under legendary pictures slate. Other than that, it seems no one is talking about. And it's not that they are saying ambigious generalizations like explore character, develop story, it just seems comepletely out of mind.

[superbaby]

Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling they just don't seem interested in making this sequel...it kinda sucks
btw, any indication in the public/ general movie goer looking for the sequel of SR?

damn, WB should really start making good buzz...

[Showtime]

You know what is hilarious, people are criticizing Brandon for not having enough work between Returns and a proposed sequel, and because Singer is working on more movies it means the sequel is delayed or canceled.

[deathshead2]

I have an interest in superman. I just plotted out 3 movies to myself. Now its time to write a screenplay. Sadly no one will ever read it if I ever get it done. But the man of steel fights Mettlo(spelling) in it and Lex has Lexcorp now, and it all fits with superman returns. I still have a problem with the super-kid though. But the movie takes place during the summer so its one line of Lois saying he is at camp. Problem solved at least for the first screenplay. Im sure no one will ever read it. But I thought it was cool. It even ends with a setup for Cadmus.:(

[superbaby]

I have an interest in superman. I just plotted out 3 movies to myself. Now its time to write a screenplay. Sadly no one will ever read it if I ever get it done. But the man of steel fights Mettlo(spelling) in it and Lex has Lexcorp now, and it all fits with superman returns. I still have a problem with the super-kid though. But the movie takes place during the summer so its one line of Lois saying he is at camp. Problem solved at least for the first screenplay. Im sure no one will ever read it. But I thought it was cool. It even ends with a setup for Cadmus.:(
cheer up! :oldrazz:
i thought you should be happy if you manage to write and finish a story. though nobody read it.

[deathshead2]

cheer up! :oldrazz:
i thought you should be happy if you manage to write and finish a story. though nobody read it.
At least its practice. Besides its away for me to keep busy. Before I jump on co-writing my friends ninja vs pirates movie.

[Pickle-El]

You know what is hilarious, people are criticizing Brandon for not having enough work between Returns and a proposed sequel, and because Singer is working on more movies it means the sequel is delayed or canceled.

Singer's such a horrible director, various studios can't stop asking him to helm their respective projects......

[Excel]

Well directing does take a lot longer than producing...but singer a nice director; if i see his name on a film thats interest for me :up:

[Qwerty©]

*...because we all know some gay rights movie is a bigger entity for Warner Bros. than the Superman franchise and thus MUST take precedence. :whatever:HAHAHAHA

Do you realise what you just said here?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you bigot.

[Daredevil_2003]

:dry:

[Upper_Krust]

HAHAHAHA

Do you realise what you just said here?

Yes, a totally harmless statement. But I wouldn't put it past some SR apologist to come along and twist it into a personal attack.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you bigot.

ZING!

No. Try reading the words again.

Is a movie about gay rights as big a box office vehicle as the Superman franchise. No, clearly it isn't.

Nothing bigoted about the comment at all.

But it does paint an interesting picture of your character that you are so desperate to mud sling, simply because I've wrecked you in the other thread. Pathetic.

Quite frankly, you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Qwerty©]

Yes, a totally harmless statement. But I wouldn't put it past some SR apologist to come along and twist it into a personal attack.Totally harmless? You just said that a movie about a flying man in tights is more important than a movie promoting gay rights.

ZING!

No. Try reading the words again.

Is a movie about gay rights as big a box office vehicle as the Superman franchise. No, clearly it isn't.That's not what you said, though.

Nothing bigoted about the comment at all.

But it does paint an interesting picture of your character that you are so desperate to mud sling, simply because I've wrecked you in the other thread. Pathetic.I wasn't aware you wrecked me. The truth is what you just said struck a nerve. I saw bigotry in your statement.

Quite frankly, you should be ashamed of yourself.I believe it's more the other way around.

[Daredevil_2003]

You just said that a movie about a flying man in tights is more important than a movie promoting gay rights.That's because it is. Both from a business standpoint for WB, and from my own standpoint in that I go to the movies to be entertained. I'm usually more entertained by films like SR than some art piece with an agenda to present/advance. So therefore Superman is more important.

[sithgoblin]

Singer's such a horrible director, various studios can't stop asking him to helm their respective projects......

He's not a horrible director, but he was miscast in Superman.

As for me, I can't say I'm looking forward to any sequel in the Singerverse.

[griffolyon12]

I personally feel some sort of announcement is coming soon,about whether or not a sequel is happening.As for a redo like the Hulk,I don't like that idea.It's like WB saying we made a mistake and we want to know how to fix it.I think if an SR sequel is a no go they should just put Superman away for about ten years or so,and then boom bring him back with a reboot,starting from scratch.

My only fears with a redo like the Hulk is that in an attempt to make it different than SR they'll hire a filmmaker who is in no way suited to do Superman,just to get more action into the film.We could possibly end up with another Batman & Robin,or Quest for Peace.The only way I'd want another Superman film anytime soon is if it's a direct sequel to SR,if not do as I said and wait ten or so years and then bring back Superman bigger and better than ever,all it needs is the right talent.

[Upper_Krust]

Totally harmless? You just said that a movie about a flying man in tights is more important than a movie promoting gay rights.

A Superman movie is a bigger entity for Warner Bros. A point of fact it is their biggest franchise (or should be if Singer hadn't dropped the ball).

That's not what you said, though.

Yes it is, and everyone reading this discussion can see my exact words so you are a bare faced liar.

I wasn't aware you wrecked me.

Only in every reply...so I can see how you'd miss it wearing those azure tinted spectacles.

The truth is what you just said struck a nerve. I saw bigotry in your statement.

No, the truth of the matter is that you saw what you wanted to see, an opportunity to take a cheap shot. In fact you only joined in this thread to sling mud.

Of course everyone else herein had read my comments and taken them at face value without any problems.

You were the only one who saw fit to twist the meaning for your own purposes. But sadly its backfired.

I believe it's more the other way around.

Your a disgrace and everyone here can see it.

[El Payaso]

*Houston, we're losing objectibity*

[C. Lee]

Children......this is a site to DISCUSS movies....not a site for practicing your insults.

Start discussing........

[BruceBanner]

Hey Cal, what time is it in Kentucky now?

[Mr. Socko]

I would like to know where the franchise is headed but it's quite difficult to be very interested in glee up to your eyeballs when you have absolutely no information on the film.

[C. Lee]

Hey Cal, what time is it in Kentucky now?

10:10pm....and storming.

[BruceBanner]

That sucks. Haven't really had any storms here in Dublin, but it hasn't stopped pissing down all bloody summer.

[Hunter Rider]

I think the main lack of fan interest now is simply down to no confirmation from WB on what is happening

The longer WB wait to release an official announcement, the more I am inclined to believe the rumor floating around about their interest in gauging Hulk 08's numbers and using that data as a barometer in determining whether they release MOS.

This seems like a possibility,if WB are weighing up whether to do a sequel or quasi reboot then TIH will be a good gauge on how well a reboot so soon goes down with the audience

[Showtime]

I don't believe that WB is waiting for HULK, but if the sequel is delayed past that point I am sure they will keep their eyes peeled and their ears to the ground.

[BruceBanner]

quasi reboot

Oh Good God, spare us from a "quasi" reboot, whatever the **** that means.

[M.O.Steel]

guys, take it easy...no need for arguements...unless its involving the movie/sequel.

Singer is NOT a bad director. The movie just sucked. He wasn't even miscast for the movie, because with his track record of x-men and usual suspect, i thought he would bring forth an amazing movie.

[Showtime]

Can we keep this thread on track, there is no need for long diatribes with multi-quotes attacking one another for page after page. It's making me dizzy to say the least and is completely uncalled for. EVERYBODY.

[Hunter Rider]

QWERTY©-C Lee already told you guys to knock it off and you still continued,ive removed your post,if you want to argue on with Upper Krust take it to PM's

[Matt]

Can we keep this thread on track,

No.

there is no need for long diatribes with multi-quotes attacking one another for page after page.

Yes there is.


It's making me dizzy to say the least

Its not our fault you are sick.


and is completely uncalled for.

Nuh uh


EVERYBODY.

You too then. :cwink: :woot:

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Showtime029! :)

You know what is hilarious, people are criticizing Brandon for not having enough work between Returns and a proposed sequel, and because Singer is working on more movies it means the sequel is delayed or canceled.

The difference of course is that direction takes up much more time than acting. Since it also spans pre-production and post production/editing etc.

The fact that Brandon isn't getting any work is indicative of the fact that he didn't impress in the role and seemed a bit wooden. Now whether that was due to script, direction or simply that hes not a good actor I can't say until I see him in other things.

When you contrast Brandon to Chris Reeve, the latter was a theatre trained actor, and while that in itself could be seen as a appeal to authority; what theatre/stage actors have is presence because they have to project themselves to a greater degree. That 'projection' really works well for the character of Superman that has to seem larger than life.

[Excel]

Anybody who thinks routh is not getting offers isnt thinking straight. he was very well recieved by critics n is a great looking kid; most directors who are in charge of casting could care less if superman dissappointed.

fact is, the roles hes probably gotten offered are probably very supermanish; while if he ever wants to succeed in hollywood outside of superman hell have act well in other roles; which is why getting roles as a male pimp n a crackhead are actually smart career decisions.

[manofsteel4life]

I think you guys are reaching here. You think that they are going to be still wearing Superman T-Shirts under their suits or drinking Superman Tropicana OJ a year after the release? There are other movies that WB is prepping and preparing for, for instance, the DK. Last year was the year of Superman, this year it's business as usual at WB. I find the lack of news frustrating and aggrevating but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't interested. Sure we all have our own theories:

"Singer is out, they are unhappy with him!"
"They want to do JLA because they have a 1st draft already!"
"Singer has delayed the sequel because he is working on other projects!"

The theories and speculation are rampant, but for the most part, that is all they are.
thank you showtime

[BatFitz]

I actually don't have much interest in another Singer Superman film. But that's just me.

[Showtime]

No. Yes there is. Its not our fault you are sick. Nuh uh. You too then.

You are the first on the "To Be Banned List". :cwink:

[Showtime]

The difference of course is that direction takes up much more time than acting. Since it also spans pre-production and post production/editing etc.

Very true. Although Singer does alot of the pre-production on the set of his other movies and is known for having teams in place already working that department before he even arrives. Alot of directors do this.

The fact that Brandon isn't getting any work is indicative of the fact that he didn't impress in the role and seemed a bit wooden. Now whether that was due to script, direction or simply that hes not a good actor I can't say until I see him in other things.

You took the wooden remark straight from a review, you should know better than plagerizing! :cwink: I think his acting ability came out most during the Clark scenes, but he is still untested.

When you contrast Brandon to Chris Reeve, the latter was a theatre trained actor, and while that in itself could be seen as a appeal to authority; what theatre/stage actors have is presence because they have to project themselves to a greater degree. That 'projection' really works well for the character of Superman that has to seem larger than life.[/

With all due respect to Reeve his career in film was quite lackluster and whether he was trained or not I never thought of him as a great actor, but he was Superman to me. Routh is not even Reeve as an actor yet, but I wouldn't say he was horrible.

[Billy Batson]

http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com/

For those of you who've been wondering what the status was of the Superman franchise, after Singer got done screwing it's corpse, the outlook doesn't look too rosey. It appears that if they do choose to do another Singerman film for some ungodly reason, it won't be for a good long while.

According to Rotten Tomatoes, Singer's producers, Neil Meron and Craid Zadan, are moving forward with Singer directing their pet project, a biopic of slain gay right activist Harvey Milk called The Mayor of Castro Street, as soon as Singer finishes with his current film -- the WWII story Valkyrie.

[Showtime]

You're two steps behind the bouncing ball.

[buggs0268]

I believe the interest is in a JLA movie and not in an SR sequel.

[Hunter Rider]

What a creative blog title......

[buggs0268]

Anybody who thinks routh is not getting offers isnt thinking straight. he was very well recieved by critics n is a great looking kid; most directors who are in charge of casting could care less if superman dissappointed.

fact is, the roles hes probably gotten offered are probably very supermanish; while if he ever wants to succeed in hollywood outside of superman hell have act well in other roles; which is why getting roles as a male pimp n a crackhead are actually smart career decisions.
Not to argue but I don't think so. I don't see him attached to anything. and the thins he was attached to are now gone. Honestly I think his next step is TV.

[buggs0268]

What a creative blog title......
It's been around since SR came out. It is aptly titled for those who thought the movie sucked and want the WB to desperately scrap a sequel to it.

[Showtime]

That blog is completely ridiculous whether you hate Superman Returns or what Singer did with it.

[Hunter Rider]

It's been around since SR came out. It is aptly titled for those who thought the movie sucked and want the WB to desperately scrap a sequel to it.

Seems childish to me but then again i find most blogging of that nature to be

[buggs0268]

Seems childish to me but then again i find most blogging of that nature to be
It is just another way to vent frustrations. And it seems to be working. I think the WB looks at every post he makes in his blog. I honestly think it is working. Hey look at what that one 8 year old kid did to make the WB change their designs for buggs bunny for that bastardization of a show loonatics. It got coverage WW and it changed the designs of those characters.

[Showtime]

It is just another way to vent frustrations. And it seems to be working. I think the WB looks at every post he makes in his blog. I honestly think it is working. Hey look at what that one 8 year old kid did to make the WB change their designs for buggs bunny for that bastardization of a show loonatics. It got coverage WW and it changed the designs of those characters.

What makes you think WB looks at every post?

[buggs0268]

What makes you think WB looks at every post?
Because they do. They have people look at any blog on the net, and they will put plants to disuade bad word getting out on what they are doing if the audience really doesn't like it. Chris Nolan is a member here and looks at the Dark Knight boards. All studios do this. Directors will look sometimes. Trust me they have people here. When they released the possible plan to make a Green Lantern movie with Jack Black, AICN confirmed from their WB sources that they did actively look at all the boards to see what response was and that is what killed that the project. Hell, the review of the first JJ Abrams script on AICN got all over the net and they had WB plants in the baords trying to counter it. The big tale tell sign they say is "come one guys. Lets give (whoever) a chance and see if it works."

[BruceBanner]

I actually don't have much interest in another Singer Superman film. But that's just me.

No, it's not just you.

[BruceBanner]

Chris Nolan is a member here and looks at the Dark Knight boards.

How do you know? What name does he use?

[buggs0268]

I belive it si Christopher nolan and I think it is held for him. only he can have it. someone confirmed it.

[Steelsheen]

arent you pushing it a bit there Buggs? ;)

although i agree with you that WB keeps an eye on this place. the TDK scoops were proof alone that they were aware of how much info was getting out. alas they sure did something about it very quickly :(

[buggs0268]

arent you pushing it a bit there Buggs? ;)

although i agree with you that WB keeps an eye on this place. the TDK scoops were proof alone that they were aware of how much info was getting out. alas they sure did something about it very quickly :(
Nolan said that he purposely leaked things out into the public on Batman Begins, and this site was one of the sites they leaked stuff out too. To see the audiences reaction to it. He has said it in an inteview. He leaked things to the web. That is also what Bay did too with Transformers. It seems that people are starting to care what the fans think before they spend a lot of money and make mistakes..