How Would You Feel If...

[Machx72]

You found you wanted to date a girl in a wheelchair?

For some reason, this spurs Jeff Foxworthy's joke about guys not being able to go into Victoria's Secret without feeling like a child molestor.

I have zero problem dating a wheelchair-bound girl other than the fact that it would just feel like rape to me.

[Erzengel]

Is it the fact that I'm not from the South or is it that Foxworthy isn't funny that I don't get that joke?

:huh:

[Machx72]

Is it the fact that I'm not from the South or is it that Foxworthy isn't funny that I don't get that joke?

:huh:

I don't mean it as a joke.

There's a girl at my college that I've been thinking about asking out who's wheelchair bound... I was just making a comparison of the way that makes me feel to the statement Foxworthy made about men going into Victoria's Secret.

[jaguarr]

Is it the fact that I'm not from the South or is it that Foxworthy isn't funny that I don't get that joke?

:huh:

Might be both of those things because I don't get it, either.

jag

[jaguarr]

If you like a girl, ask her out. Pretty well simple as that. You'll have to have some open dialogue at some point about her situation and how it could/might impact your relationship if things progress and it could mean some different challenges than what most couples face, but it's certainly not a bad thing. One of my best friends in college married a girl in a wheelchair and they have two beautiful kids and a wonderful life together.

jag

[Erzengel]

I don't mean it as a joke.

There's a girl at my college that I've been thinking about asking out who's wheelchair bound... I was just making a comparison of the way that makes me feel to the statement Foxworthy made about men going into Victoria's Secret.
A) If you like a girl just ask her out. Unless you have some sort of stigma against it.

B) So Foxworthy feels like a child molestor when he goes into Vickys? Because children shop there? I don't get it still. :huh:

[DV8]

don't let society tell you who to date dude . . . (or Jeff Foxworthy) simple as that

[Noir]

Ask her already.

[Sun_Down]

How the hell do you "find out you want to date someone"? Are you under some kind of mind control?

[Fran]

Are you going to let the host of "Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader?" push you around? :cmad:

[Noir]

I think he is worried about how he is going to get some Pussah!

[Machx72]

Lmao, guys, I'm not saying Jeff Foxworthy has control over my thoughts, I'm simply making a comparison.

I'm just saying I feel like I'd be taking advantage of the girl, because she's physically handicapped. I know I wouldn't actually be doing it, but I just wondered if anyone else would feel that way should they have decided to date a physically handicapped person. It's not that I'm bothered by what others would think of me... Hell, that was the last thing on my mind.

It was what I would think of me.

[Duende Verde]

Don't do it, Machx72!:wow:
Think about you're going to have to do all the work and she'll just be laying there...:dry:

If you know what I mean.:huh:



:csad:

[Noir]

I only date Mentally Handicapped people.

[jaguarr]

I bet she'd really HATE to hear that attitude, too, man. Most people in wheelchairs just want to be treated like anyone else and be given a chance to show that they're capable of doing pretty much anything that anyone else can. Handicapped people do like to f**k too, same as anyone else, you know. ;)

jag

[Erzengel]

Lmao, guys, I'm not saying Jeff Foxworthy has control over my thoughts, I'm simply making a comparison.

I'm just saying I feel like I'd be taking advantage of the girl, because she's physically handicapped. I know I wouldn't actually be doing it, but I just wondered if anyone else would feel that way should they have decided to date a physically handicapped person. It's not that I'm bothered by what others would think of me... Hell, that was the last thing on my mind.

It was what I would think of me.
Physically handicapped doesn't mean she's an idiot.

She's just in a wheelchair.

There is no difference than that. :huh:

[DV8]

^I think that in a lot of ways, we're predisposed to opinions of things such as this based on the status quo . . . . even though physically handicapped people are just as able in most ways as regular folk, there is this mental barrier which makes us feel that they are more vulnerable in some way . . . . just do what makes you happy dude . . . once you've come to terms with this yourself, that is . . .

[Fran]

Physically handicapped people need love too, Machx72.

[Cmill216]

I honestly don't know what the Foxworthy joke has to do with your dilemma, but if you have feelings for this girl and you want to pursue them, then I don't see why you would even hesitate. You obviously like the girl despite the wheelchair, so what's the point now?

And if I found myself truly desiring a woman in a wheelchair, then why would I stop and think "But, wait, she's in a wheelchair." I obviously like her anyway, so what's wrong with dating her?

So how would I feel about dating a girl I liked? I'd feel...great. :confused:

[Fran]

It's not like physically handicapped people are mentally challenged, Machx.

[Noir]

When i doubt, qoute Rednecks.

[Machx72]

Don't do it, Machx72!:wow:
Think about you're going to have to do all the work and she'll just be laying there...:dry:

If you know what I mean.:huh:



:csad:

Lmao... Verde's got the point :up:.

Not really. But yeah, it's not like I'm thinking this way purposefully. I'd treat her as if she weren't wheelchair bound, obviously [except for offering to push her around:word: ], and the fact that she's disabled wouldn't have any hinderance on my feelings...

It's just like I said, an odd nagging feeling that kinda sits there in the back of my mind, against my will. DV8 kinda nailed what I meant... That "nagging feeling" is just like someone telling me I'm a bigger, stronger person taking advantage of the weaker- although I know she's not weak for simply being wheelchair bound.

[Erzengel]

I think that nagging feeling is just you trying to rationalize your prejudice.

[Machx72]

Lmao... I'm not prejudice.

It's not like I'm saying, "I can never date her! She's crippled! That's gross!"

I'm just saying that I'd have this nagging feeling as if I'd be taking advantage of her, like I was saying. Not that I seriously feel this way, but the notion of that thought sticking in the back of my mind is what draws question for me.

[Fran]

She won't feel that way if she's into it as well, Machx.

Unless you have duct tape over her mouth or something. :huh:

[Cmill216]

YOU AREN'T TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HER. So get over that "feeling". It's ill-placed.

[Erzengel]

Lmao... I'm not prejudice.



It's not like I'm saying, "I can never date her! She's crippled! That's gross!"



I'm just saying that I'd have this nagging feeling as if I'd be taking advantage of her, like I was saying. Not that I seriously feel this way, but the notion of that thought sticking in the back of my mind is what draws question for me.
Lmao!!!

:dry:

Prejudice doesn't just mean you treat someone different or think a certain way because of a handicap, religion or ethnicity.

Prejudice also means an opinion formed beforehand without knowledge or facts.

You think that just because a girl is handicapped she's "weaker" or disadvantaged in some way. When the only difference is that she doesn't have full use of her legs.

[Noir]

She can't feel down there! Talk about sad!

"Are you in?"
"I've been in."
"Oh"
"well, are you done yet?"

[Machx72]

YOU AREN'T TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HER. So get over that "feeling". It's ill-placed.



Dude, all I was asking is if other people had the same notions, and if it was normal for me to have them.

Half the guys here are the ones blowing it out of proportion, which is leading me to try to explain it further. It's not like I'm prejudiced against the girl, I just asked if it was normal for me to have that "guilty conscience".

[Tangled Web]

Why would you need to feel guilty? She's not mentally handicaped.

[Cmill216]

Dude, all I was asking is if other people had the same notions, and if it was normal for me to have them.

Half the guys here are the ones blowing it out of proportion, which is leading me to try to explain it further. It's not like I'm prejudiced against the girl, I just asked if it was normal for me to have that "guilty conscience".

No. It's not normal. The fact that you think you'd be "taking advantage" of this girl simply because she happens to be in a wheelchair is a tad bit off the average train of thought.

Obviously, the relationship (or specifically the sexual relationship) may not be completely normal, but if she's a fully functional woman in every other regard (mentally and emotionally), then there's nothing really to "take advantage of".

[Duende Verde]

No. It's not normal. The fact that you think you'd be "taking advantage" of this girl simply because she happens to be in a wheelchair is a tad bit off the average train of thought.

Obviously, the relationship (or specifically the sexual relationship) may not be completely normal, but if she's a fully functional woman in every other regard (mentally and emotionally), then there's nothing really to "take advantage of".


And if things work out, he can get her a pair of these:

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j144/duende_verde/exoskeleton.jpg

:up:

[Machx72]

Lmao!!!

:dry:

Prejudice doesn't just mean you treat someone different or think a certain way because of a handicap, religion or ethnicity.

Prejudice also means an opinion formed beforehand without knowledge or facts.

You think that just because a girl is handicapped she's "weaker" or disadvantaged in some way. When the only difference is that she doesn't have full use of her legs.

Quit blowing **** out of proportion, I not once stated that I fully believe she's weaker than me. I'm not prejudiced against her, and I don't think less of her simply because she can't use her legs- it's got nothing to do with HER.

We just recently discussed this in my college class, that as humans, we naturally make models of something in our minds, and we refuse to let it go.

Naturally, as children, we're more likely to percieve physically disabled- ranging from something as temporary as a fracture to something lifelong, like congenital conditions- as weaker. I know fully well that this isn't true, as there's a wrestler I knew who in high school who was one of the top wrestlers in the state, and he had no legs. The kid was as strong as a horse.

I'm simply speaking about a guilty conscience that sits in the back of my mind, it's not like I'm trying to say, "She's weak, that's wrong of me to like her."

Get your facts straight.

[Machx72]

No. It's not normal. The fact that you think you'd be "taking advantage" of this girl simply because she happens to be in a wheelchair is a tad bit off the average train of thought.

Obviously, the relationship (or specifically the sexual relationship) may not be completely normal, but if she's a fully functional woman in every other regard (mentally and emotionally), then there's nothing really to "take advantage of".

I completely understand what you're saying... Honestly, I am a little worried that I would have that odd feeling, and I know [like I stated before] that she's apparently fully capable in every other aspect of herself. I'm more than sure I could get over this should something between her and I happen, it's just a thought that kind of came to me while discussing the matter with someone.

[Cmill216]

And if things work out, he can get her a pair of these...

Well, those things are probably expensive, so Mach would probably need a nice raise at his j.o.b. to nab something like that for his girl.

But it brings up the question: what if Mach's boss was in a wheelchair? Would he feel like he was taking advantage of him by taking the raise? :hyper:

[Erzengel]

Quit blowing **** out of proportion, I not once stated that I fully believe she's weaker than me. I'm not prejudiced against her, and I don't think less of her simply because she can't use her legs- it's got nothing to do with HER.

We just recently discussed this in my college class, that as humans, we naturally make models of something in our minds, and we refuse to let it go.

Naturally, as children, we're more likely to percieve physically disabled- ranging from something as temporary as a fracture to something lifelong, like congenital conditions- as weaker. I know fully well that this isn't true, as there's a wrestler I knew who in high school who was one of the top wrestlers in the state, and he had no legs. The kid was as strong as a horse.

I'm simply speaking about a guilty conscience that sits in the back of my mind, it's not like I'm trying to say, "She's weak, that's wrong of me to like her."

Get your facts straight.

Hey I'm not the one who has to create a thread to justify my feelings.

[Cmill216]

I completely understand what you're saying... Honestly, I am a little worried that I would have that odd feeling, and I know [like I stated before] that she's apparently fully capable in every other aspect of herself. I'm more than sure I could get over this should something between her and I happen, it's just a thought that kind of came to me while discussing the matter with someone.

If you feel like you can't get rid of whatever this feeling is, and that it might hinder any possible relationship with this girl, then you should honestly consider not even pursing that relationship in the first place. Might save you a lot of pain in the long run.

[Cmill216]

EDIT: WTF is wrong with the Hype today?

[Machx72]

Erzengel: Learn how to ****in' read.

Cmill: Yeah, I think I can get over it, honestly. My main worry is that I won't be able to, but it's something I definitely think I can do.

Thanks for the help on those who offered with it.

[Erzengel]

You are adorable when you get all frazzled.

[Cmill216]

Cmill: Yeah, I think I can get over it, honestly. My main worry is that I won't be able to, but it's something I definitely think I can do.

Is she hot? :oldrazz:

[Machx72]

Is she hot? :oldrazz:

Lmao, very.

[Fran]

Pics plz. :o

[Machx72]

Lmao. If something sparks, I'll be sure to post some.

[Cmill216]

Lmao, very.

Damn. I just got a mental image of Dina Meyer circa Birds of Prey. :wow:

[Machx72]

Lmao... Pray for me. If it works out, I'll post pics up a.s.a.p.

[Master Chief]

This is a very stupid question. I'd obviously feel like dating the girl. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/LilBrother/Smilies/trout.gif

Dunno how I'd feel about it. Probably just. It'd be awkward at first probably but whatever. If I like the person, wicked. Plus I'd get to use the wheelchair once in a while, right? Start up some extreme wheelchair off a flight of stairs sports.

[Duende Verde]

This is a very stupid question. I'd obviously feel like dating the girl. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/LilBrother/Smilies/trout.gif

Dunno how I'd feel about it. Probably just. It'd be awkward at first probably but whatever. If I like the person, wicked. Plus I'd get to use the wheelchair once in a while, right? Start up some extreme wheelchair off a flight of stairs sports.

Plus, great parking spaces and you get to go to front of the line at amusement parks.:up:

[Noir]

ever seen Freddy got Fingered? There is your answer!

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

If I really liked the girl I would be down for her if she was in a wheel chair, plus I mean come on, she has to be into some kinky **** ;) :up:

[GoldenAgeHero]

question for ya guys,handicapped women, who are paralyzed from the waste down can still have feeling in her vagina as well right?

[Machx72]

Lmfao... I hope so:huh: .

[Kritish]

It isn't like your nailing a retarded person, they're just as intelligent as everyone else. If you feel wierd about banging a wheel chair girl I'd shudder to think how you'd react to a blind chick. I've been in a relationship with one, it isn't that strange.

[Machx72]

I think I've went over that a couple times throughout this thread.

[Abaddon]

it'd be awkward.

[ScottyBBadd]

Is it the fact that I'm not from the South or is it that Foxworthy isn't funny that I don't get that joke?

:huh:

Me neither.

[Immortalfire]

I don't understand this :huh:

[Abaddon]

He says he'd feel awkward being with a girl in a wheelchair because he has a much greater physical advantage over her, and she'd be "vulnerable" in a way.

The Foxworthy joke is about the clothes in Victoria's Secret being so small that he feels like he's shopping for a little girl, I guess.:huh:

[Machx72]

Just ignore the joke, it was a comparison.

And if you don't get it, don't worry about it. Problem's solved.

[Kyalesyin]

I think I'd feel uncomfortable. That slight discomfort is natural. Fist time my wife and I had sex it was the same thing- I was a vrigin, she wasn't. I was comfortable with my sexuality, she wasn't. I felt like I was taking advantage. Sure, I learned at a later date that she felt the same since I'm three years younger, but I think that says a lot about that sort of situation.

Saying that, by three months in, there was no more discomfort. It isn't a deliberate thing, but you can control it.

[Machx72]

Yeah I mean, I honestly don't think that her disability would cause any rockiness in the relationship... At least I hope not. It doesn't mean anything to me other than we'd have to go about certain things different ways.

My wonder now is, should something happen... How does [I]she go about dating? And, is her disability something that she feels she must discuss with others?

[Canadian Rider]

every once and a while I stumble into a thread and start reading it because I can't believe that the subject is REALLY what the subject appears to be ... and then it is.

Mach.

Dude. If you like her, ask her out. She will tell you or talk to you about any issues she has.

Don't make it a big deal ... she is a woman who has "alternate means of transportation."

The question is do you like her for who she is, or something about her personality? Or was it the fact she was in a chair that caught your eye ?

Man. *shaking head*

[Erzengel]

My wonder now is, should something happen... How does she go about dating?
Probably just like everybody else. :huh:


And, is her disability something that she feels she must discuss with others?
I think it depends on the person but I wouldn't come off and ask her. I'd wait for her to bring it up or wait til there was some comfortableness before asking.

[ang_hulk]

heres my take-get to know her,do all the fun tihngs,dinner,movies playing at toys r us.Forget the chair,I know its got its ups and downs but trust me,its not that big a deal.I can say with full honesty there alot more capable then you think.I wouldent bat at eye if my gf was in a wheel chair,id want her to have a clear one though so i could still stare at her ass.go for it,youll be abetter person for it,a hint on decideing where the date is,let her pick,chances are itll be somwhere where shes been and feels comfortable,stay away from roudy bars and stuff EXCEPT for dave and busters,its GREAT for wheel chair access,rumor has it one of them had a friend in a wheel chair and thats why its so open for that.Clean out your car(not saying its dirty) so she doesnt feel bad about finding room for the chair and dont question things,just flow with it and again,youll be a better guy for it.

[Machx72]

every once and a while I stumble into a thread and start reading it because I can't believe that the subject is REALLY what the subject appears to be ... and then it is.

Mach.

Dude. If you like her, ask her out. She will tell you or talk to you about any issues she has.

Don't make it a big deal ... she is a woman who has "alternate means of transportation."

The question is do you like her for who she is, or something about her personality? Or was it the fact she was in a chair that caught your eye ?

Man. *shaking head*

Dude, I'm aware of this... It's already been said, and I was just relating to what Kyal said. I'm not, "in despair," over the situation, I'm just curious as to what the differences would be.

I'm not making a, "huge deal," of this... Yes, I realize it's there, but I also realize I can't make any change in my approach due to that.

Erz: Yeah, I'm definitely not gonna bring it up to her... I don't see any hinderance due to it other than my, "conscience talking," like I mentioned earlier, but also like I said... I can get over that.

Eh, besides- I shouldn't even worry about her bringing it up... We're not even dating.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Why would you want to wheel your girlfriend around? :huh:
There are plenty of great girls out there who can walk.
Enjoy helping her onto the toilet when you accidentally eat at a restaurant without those bars on the stall walls.
And wrapping her legs around you? You can forget about that too.

[ang_hulk]

........for **** sake...........they dont need those bars as much as you tihnk they do and just for facts if they dont have those bars then its on them and not only will your dinner be free you may get some nice cash out of it and whats wrong with pushing her wheel chair you dirt bag??? god dammit obviously shes capable enough to get around campus.I really hope your being saracastic.my ****in god.

[Canadian Rider]

Ah Wil ... always able to take it to the lowest common denominator ...

[Machx72]

Lmfao... He's a nice touch of society's real thoughts.

*Shakes head in shame*.

[ang_hulk]

bull****...

[Erzengel]

Um...new to these forums aren't you?

[ang_hulk]

no just putting in what i think of that comment.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

........for **** sake...........they dont need those bars as much as you tihnk they do and just for facts if they dont have those bars then its on them and not only will your dinner be free you may get some nice cash out of it and whats wrong with pushing her wheel chair you dirt bag??? god dammit obviously shes capable enough to get around campus.I really hope your being saracastic.my ****in god.

My brother has cerebral palsy and is in a wheelchair.:up:

[ang_hulk]

still not nice things to say but Im semi releaved you were joking.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

still not nice things to say but Im semi releaved you were joking.

1) If those things sounded absurd I'd like to think the threadmaker might realize how absUrd it is to feel as if he's raping/taking advantage of a person just because their dumb legs don't function like most people's.

2) I'm not here to say nice things. Neither are you. :huh:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Like this:
..............i hate her....not only is she a terrible cook(shes no chef) shes ugly...dammit.
Rachael Ray is a human being too. :(
Why do you have to focus on her looks and attack her livelihood?