The Official Mighty Avengers Thread

[TheCorpulent1]

This issue sucked. Bendis has no idea how to write Doom. "Shut your cow-mouth?" What?
Hahahaha, that sounds hilarious. Scans, anyone?

Did anyone really expect Bendis to write Doom well in the first place?

[CorpusBlack]

Did anyone really expect Bendis to write Doom well in the first place?

No but it doesn't prevent wishful thinking.

[TheCorpulent1]

Serves you right for being an optimist.

[Anubis]

Way to talk gangsta on a comic board. I'm sure it ups your street cred. :up:





Gangsta? I didn't wanna say anything, but obviously you feel kinda self conscious about your opinion. I say what I think and I don't much care what anybody else thinks about it. You on the other hand obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't wine about "veterans" opinions being justified. (whatever the hell that means.) And then the tried and true "I have a life" bulls**t. So do I. So does everybody. Most of us just have jobs or classes that doesn't exactly require us to do much besides sit around making dick jokes on message boards. Not our fault you don't have nothing interesting to say what with all the time you've been here and all. So you know, whatever dude.

I think Doom got his ass kicked pretty much like he always does in the end. He gave them a run for their money despite the fact that they caught him unawares just after getting some. Not even a mystic super genius is immune to that I guess. He captured the entire team and damn near killed Stark. { I thought that Cow stuff was funny, he really hurt her feelings. Ms. Marvel should totally develop an eating disorder.}

[TheCorpulent1]

My job is prime dick-joke time. :up:

[CorpusBlack]

{ I thought that Cow stuff was funny, he really hurt her feelings. Ms. Marvel should totally develop an eating disorder.}

I thought the cow thing was funny too. But IMO it ended anticlimactically and Doom came off as too weak. What he did to Iron Man was nothing special.

[Anubis]

My job is prime dick-joke time.

Mine is too after the initial morning rush of people with crotch rot.

[Docker2.0]

Gangsta? I didn't wanna say anything, but obviously you feel kinda self conscious about your opinion. I say what I think and I don't much care what anybody else thinks about it. You on the other hand obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't wine about "veterans" opinions being justified. (whatever the hell that means.) And then the tried and true "I have a life" bulls**t. So do I. So does everybody. Most of us just have jobs or classes that doesn't exactly require us to do much besides sit around making dick jokes on message boards. Not our fault you don't have nothing interesting to say what with all the time you've been here and all. So you know, whatever dude.

Let me explain myself, why I'm doing this I don't know. The reason I stated I have a life is cuase some people(not necessarily you but since you insist on cussing and whatever)tend to say unnecessary things when someone has a different point of view. You haven't seen me post anything with profanity but yet in all your post you have, though I tend to ignore it. I don't snap at people on the street nor will I do it online just cuase I don't agree with someone. But I know you got a image to uphold so you'll probably say ignorant but its cool. As I stated I have a life and it's just comics. :up: tarry on!

[The Mad Titan]

what the f**k are you talking about?
:)

I curse a lot. Go back and look at my posts. It's just words, I think that the general public doesn't curse enough, and by cursing often enough on this small, insignificant message board, I hope to promote my philosophy. If I can reach just one person, then I will have done my job.

s**t.

{Why do I feel like I'm repeating myself....?}

Oh yeah, Mad Titan is Anubis.

[CorpusBlack]

**** **** **** cock ******* ******** mother****er!

[CorpusBlack]

Well, cock slipped thru. ;)

[The Mad Titan]

You make me proud.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't get the ridiculous stigma that cursing has. I've been cursing like crazy since middle school. I cursed in elementary school too, but I had been brainwashed into thinking it was bad so I tried to stop myself back then. By middle school, though, **** it, I was like a goddamn sailor. They're just words. **** 'em.

[Sloth7d]

I find that cursing hinders your vocabulary. Plus my sis used to always shut me up by challenging how articulate I am when I always flipped out and fussed her out.

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess if cursing is all you ever do, that might be true. But a healthy dose of curse words throughout my life hasn't hindered my vocabulary in any way that I'm aware of. I know lots of words.

[Sloth7d]

Yeah, but it's when you're most angry that the big words count, and I always hated how she shut me up with her damn big words. Not that I didn't know them, I just don't know them when I'm angry.:o

[Anubis]

I find it best to use big words, and small difficult words and then add an exclamation point to them with an f-bomb. Like "That is one Exuberant motha f**ka". Yes, you can have your cake and eat it too.....then s**t it out.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nubsy's got it right. I've called people "****ing curmudgeons" before. :)

[Xofenroht]

I just curse to show changes in emotion, like when I say "sh-t and god dammit", sh-t is for when you drop something and god dammit is for after you realize that something is spilling out of it.

[Anubis]

But what about if you have to poop, do you use s**t instead because poop is something kids and wussies say? Or the positive connotations of god dammit like "god dammit that's a good frosty beverage!" I site Bernie Mac's lecture on the different connotations for the phrase mother f**ker.

[TheCorpulent1]

When I'm cursing because something's pissed me off, I don't really follow any rhyme or reason. I just tend to throw a bunch of curse words together.

[CorpusBlack]

I tend to combine curse words into one doubly intense word to knock the point home.

[Kitsune]

Nubsy's got it right. I've called people "****ing curmudgeons" before. :)

Scary thing is, thanks to Viagra those curmudgeons might actually be ****ing again.

[Varient]

Yeah, watching Doom fall so easily was disapointing, and this arc seemed pointless. Hopefully Bendis will bring Dooms capture up for a later arc. Though that doesn't seem so promising for me, since I'm on the verge of dropping this and NA.

Yah - I really expected an issue or two back in time with Tony meeting his younger self and he and Doom trashing manhattan.

Instead next issue opens with Doom Back and whooping the rest of the team using "magic" then for the first time in my memory going to personal sexual insults to someone he's not bedding while wasting time trying to convince Ares to call his dad to come get him?

Am I the only one who found it strange that Ares would fear calling his dad into this or Doom believing if "Dad" showed up he wouldn't rescue his son's "friends"?

[Varient]

I guess if cursing is all you ever do, that might be true. But a healthy dose of curse words throughout my life hasn't hindered my vocabulary in any way that I'm aware of. I know lots of words.

too bad we can't start a thread listing curse words.
Mostly because all we would all see would be:

****
****
************
*****
****
*****

etc,...

[Egotastic]

Insightful. :up:

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, watching Doom fall so easily was disapointing, and this arc seemed pointless. Hopefully Bendis will bring Dooms capture up for a later arc. Though that doesn't seem so promising for me, since I'm on the verge of dropping this and NA.

I think Millar will tackle Doom's arrest in his Fantastic Four run.

[The Mad Titan]

Yah - I really expected an issue or two back in time with Tony meeting his younger self and he and Doom trashing manhattan.

Instead next issue opens with Doom Back and whooping the rest of the team using "magic" then for the first time in my memory going to personal sexual insults to someone he's not bedding while wasting time trying to convince Ares to call his dad to come get him?

Am I the only one who found it strange that Ares would fear calling his dad into this or Doom believing if "Dad" showed up he wouldn't rescue his son's "friends"?

Well, he might not. Zues is a bit of an A-hole.

[Vanguard07]

He's also dead. So calling him to come get Ares would have been impressive.... Non Bendis Doom could have pulled it off though.

Then we would have got an arc of Zombie-Zeus vs the Avengers who may or may not have been teamed up with Doom....

.... man that would have been awesome.

[Colossal Spoons]

Doom's capture seemed legit to me :o

[TheCorpulent1]

He's also dead. So calling him to come get Ares would have been impressive.... Non Bendis Doom could have pulled it off though.

Then we would have got an arc of Zombie-Zeus vs the Avengers who may or may not have been teamed up with Doom....

.... man that would have been awesome.
I doubt it's that hard to resurrect an Olympian. They're actually meant to be immortal, unlike the Asgardians, and look at how easy it's been to bring the Asgardians back.

[Egotastic]

According to Van Lente and Pak, Zeus being dead is what they're basing their God Squad story on. They're reference Oeming's Ares mini pretty heavily, which makes me like the both of them even more.

[Ahura Mazda]

When did Zeus die?

[TheCorpulent1]

Oeming's Ares mini. Mikaboshi killed him.

[Egotastic]

Who'll be running with Herc in a few weeks. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, weird. Looking forward to the reason behind that.

I figure this takes place before Thor's resurrection, if Zeus' demise is what motivates this coalition of gods. There's no way it would make any sense for them to gather together without at least asking Thor if he were already back, given that he's beyond even Zeus in power now.

[Egotastic]

Yeah, weird. Looking forward to the reason behind that.

Total destruction of Earth makes for strange bedfellows. :)

I figure this takes place before Thor's resurrection, if Zeus' demise is what motivates this coalition of gods. There's no way it would make any sense for them to gather together without at least asking Thor if he were already back, given that he's beyond even Zeus in power now.

Who said Zeus' demise motivates them? The Skrulls taking over ****ing Earth is what's motivating them.

[TheCorpulent1]

According to Van Lente and Pak, Zeus being dead is what they're basing their God Squad story on.
I interpreted that to mean Zeus' death was a motivator. Anyway, the point still stands. Thor would be approached for any coalition of gods, especially if the cause is to fight other gods. That tells me this takes place before Thor's return.

[Egotastic]

No, just that Pak and Van Lente are banking on the notion that Zeus is dead at the hands of the Japanese gods. I'm sure that'll be brought up when we see Mikaboshi again.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, yeah, totally. I'm betting Herc tries to take Mikaboshi's head off on sight.

[Egotastic]

I imagine he's not going to be happy to see him. I'm curious as to what Cho's role in all of this will be.

[Red]

Yeah, weird. Looking forward to the reason behind that.

I figure this takes place before Thor's resurrection, if Zeus' demise is what motivates this coalition of gods. There's no way it would make any sense for them to gather together without at least asking Thor if he were already back, given that he's beyond even Zeus in power now.

Unless Thor's a Skrull.

[Egotastic]

Unless Thor's a Skrull.

That would make Baby Jesus cry.

[Red]

That would make Corp cry.

[Egotastic]

Pfft. He's always crying. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

I imagine he's not going to be happy to see him. I'm curious as to what Cho's role in all of this will be.
I kind of get the feeling Herc'll leave Cho at Athena's house. This seems like one of those situations where a god would pull one of those "the gods' affairs are not meant for mortals" bits.

[Egotastic]

Yeah, that sounds likely. It'll be good to see Herc sans Cho.

[xisaacx]

That would make Baby Jesus cry.

How does jesus eat skittles with holes in his hands?

[i'm Spider-Man]

with great, GREAT difficulty. Or a spoon.

[Darthphere]

How does jesus eat skittles with holes in his hands?

Um, he's Jesus.:huh:

[prince_dylan]

Jesus uses His fingers to eat them individually. He savors the flavor.

[Xofenroht]

I wouldn't mind Thor being a Skrull if they executed it properly. Of course, whoever this Thrull guy is better stand up before they get SMACKED!

[TheCorpulent1]

No, Thor can't be a Skrull. I don't care what ****ing new technologies the Skrulls have gotten their hands on: there's no goddamn way a ****ing goddamn Skrull went through Oeming's Ragnarok and is holding the Odinpower right now. I will break something if that is the case, and there's a good chance it'll be a baby if I can find one. So Thor can't be a Skrull because that would make Marvel an indirect baby killer. Do you want that? Do you want your favorite comic book publisher to be known as a killer of babies? DO YOU? :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[Xofenroht]

No, but really man. The Skrulls have their own religion, which means they probably have their own gods, which also means that one of those gods could have found a way to replace Thor. We don't know at which point this could have occurred, but as for now, you better settle with the idea that maybe the Thor we thought we knew is a Skrull.

I'm hoping he's not.

[TheCorpulent1]

We don't know that the Skrull gods can even shapeshift. Also, the idea that religion somehow equates to magic is bollocks in the first place. We know they have their own gods because Hercules is set to fight them in his comic's next arc.

[DoomJester]

Well, Mr Anonymous' spoilers say something about the people on that ship. Like how all the people on the crash landed ship are skrull impostors except for one, Jewel I think...

But it is true that just because Skrull's are shape-shifters doesn't mean that the gods themselves are also shape-shifters. But what would they be? They are most likely not incorporeal, but if they take on the form of skrulls then they are almost definitely shape-shifters...

And I'm interested in knowing why you separate magic from religion. I don't mean magic tricks (like rabbits from hats and coins and cards) but I mean magic as in supernatural manipulations. If magic is "supernatural 'stuff'" can't you say that religion is institutionalized and/or systematized beliefs about "magic" and its functioning?

[TheCorpulent1]

Not necessarily. Religion can spring up around magic, but it's not a one-to-one ratio, as Xof implied. The existence of a Skrull religion doesn't necessarily mean its gods exist. Christianity exists in the Marvel universe, but I can't recall seeing Jesus in a Marvel comic.

[DoomJester]

I see what you are saying. I guess that's true. You can believe in whatever you want but it doesn't make it true.

I think the difficulty here is that we know the skrulls do have real gods (in comic world of course). We are being told they do. I was more speaking from that sense-- can you really formally separate the two (beliefs about magic and religion) in a situation like with SI where you know the beliefs adhere to real entities. It is kinda like when someone says "well, how can you believe in one religion and not another."

[Xofenroht]

Yeah, but why can our gods be real and their gods not? And besides, we constructed our gods in our images, with the ability to do all that we can do AND MORE. Why not believe that the gods of the skrulls are the same way?

And I'm sorry, but where there is "Religion" there is "Magick". Magick is a faith based system, which includes prayer, meditation, etc. Every religion has a holy man, which is just another name for a shaman, which means...

...their leaders practice magick.

[DoomJester]

In some ways I agree with you, though I feel like "magick" connotes earth based/wiccan beliefs (I just always see them spell it that way...), in that sense I'd prefer to just say supernatural. I think we are talking about different things though.

I think corp is arguing that you can believe in religion without necessarily that being true-- you could be wrong in your belief (my guess is he rejects the ontological arguments!)

I think you are saying what I was asking-- is the belief in magic (the supernatural, not tricks like you'd see at a show) the same as religion? And I think you are saying they are the same. This is probably largely true I'd say. I mean, we are talking simply here, not in-depth, but I'd say they are the same in that sense that to believe in magic or tow work it you invariably have some other beliefs about it, in which case you have (loosely speaking) a religion... That's not to denigrate religious beliefs or to say they are lower forms of thinking but religion and magic are similar beliefs we just change the name and connotations.

[Xofenroht]

I'm only saying that because that's what I learned throughout every Religious Studies class and text I've ever had/read during my last 4 years of school here.
The Wiccans spell it that way thanks to some innovations by Aleister Crowley and that's the way most people in the occult circles spell it. This spelling has even made its way into more popular culture, I've seen it spelled that way in comics.
"Magick" is "Supernatural". There are things that are Natural (like us, our computers, more tangible things) and then there are things that are Super Natural or beyond mundane nature (like spirits, ghosts, ley lines and such.)

I mean, I'm not asking for anyone to agree with me. I'm just asking that people make more of an effort to understand what's going on and consider more about where the ideas for these concepts in comics might come from.

[DoomJester]

What you say is interesting... I'm just a little hesitant to fully accept the skrull pantheon, I'm not bothered that they have them, but the way marvel comics handles it's deities it kinda erodes their impact... can anyone in the MU even be said to be an atheist?

[Xofenroht]

Of course it's interesting. You think I'd spend my money on them (those 5 classes) if they weren't? I mean, there's a reason why there aren't too many DC titles in my pull ;)

Hyuck Hyuck Hyuck!

And yeah, there are some who could be atheists. But really, what's it matter when scientific and esoteric knowledge exist side by side? We're talking about a Universe where a little boy can do whatever he pleases with reality.

[DoomJester]

Are/Were you like a religious studies major/minor? I know in DC Mr. Fantastic is supposed to be an atheist but it doesn't make sense... he could reject that a particular god doesn't exist, but he can't say that he doesn't believe Athena or someone doesn't exist... I mean, I'm sure at some point in time he could've fought side by side with them. Perhaps they are incredibly powerful, long-lived people who suffer from cognitive delusions, but well, I think the burden of proof has shifted to him now. I think the same thing can be said for Marvel but I don't know the Marvel character's beliefs.

[Red]

Preview of Mighty Avengers #12 and Nick Fury's return (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=5369099&posted=1#post5369099)

Bendis again forgets his own continuity, Spider-Woman wasn't involved in Secret War.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Poor Bendis. :(

How is he expected to remember what he wrote! :cmad: Just isn't fair, I tell ya!

[DoomJester]

I saw that and I was really confused... is there something we are missing? Can this be resolved when we read the script? I mean, Fury did make it so that no one remembered Secret War right?

I'm confused. I don't think Bendis would make a mistake that big... neither would the editors... right? There was that one time when Ms Marvel told Spider-Woman that Cap was still alive but...

[Egotastic]

Keep in mind that THERE'S NO TEXT. I mean, Jesus Christ, guys. Before we go all, "Bendis forgets his own continuity!", let's wait to see the context of the images.

[Xofenroht]

Thank you AND it's only a preview.

[Xofenroht]

Are/Were you like a religious studies major/minor?

Naa, my major is English Studies. I just took Anthropology and also Religious Studies as my cognates. Cognates are like mini-minors, you have to have 12 credits under that subject in order for it to be considered one of your cognates.

[xisaacx]

Preview of Mighty Avengers #12 and Nick Fury's return (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=5369099&posted=1#post5369099)

Bendis again forgets his own continuity, Spider-Woman wasn't involved in Secret War.

um theres no dialogue, how do you know thats from secret war? Or how do you know thats not a simulation? dont make comments like that if you dont. We all havent read the comic and dont know what context everything was in so for you to say he forgets his own continuity is pretty assinine

[CaptainStacy]

Yeah, but why can our gods be real and their gods not?

Because WE are righteous beings, not slimy, disgusting aliens like THEM. :word: :cwink:

[Blader5489]

I saw that and I was really confused... is there something we are missing? Can this be resolved when we read the script? I mean, Fury did make it so that no one remembered Secret War right?

I'm confused. I don't think Bendis would make a mistake that big... neither would the editors... right? There was that one time when Ms Marvel told Spider-Woman that Cap was still alive but...

Which was a lie to trap the New Avengers, not a continuity mistake.

[DoomJester]

Perhaps... I'm not speaking about the New Avengers issue where they saw Cap's body that Tony left there. I'm talking about the Silvestri special. There isn't any "trap the NA" context in that scene but that's been a long time ago.

[Red]

Keep in mind that THERE'S NO TEXT. I mean, Jesus Christ, guys. Before we go all, "Bendis forgets his own continuity!", let's wait to see the context of the images.

um theres no dialogue, how do you know thats from secret war? Or how do you know thats not a simulation? dont make comments like that if you dont. We all havent read the comic and dont know what context everything was in so for you to say he forgets his own continuity is pretty assinine
Look at the preview again would you, the panels are clearly from Secret War.

[TheCorpulent1]

Spider-Woman's presence implies one of three things: 1) Bendis forgot his own continuity, 2) Bendis intended for her to be there for some reason that's not clear to us, or 3) they're not even flashbacks to Secret War in the first place. No matter how you look at it, automatically assuming Bendis ****ed up because Spider-Woman wasn't in Secret War is a pretty big jump to an unfounded conclusion.

[Red]

He ****s up his own continuity all the time. Quesada's forever reminding him that Luke Cage is black.

[Xofenroht]

Luke Cage is black?

[TheCorpulent1]

More of a chocolate brown...

[DoomJester]

He ****s up his own continuity all the time. Quesada's forever reminding him that Luke Cage is black.

What do you mean?

[xisaacx]

He ****s up his own continuity all the time. Quesada's forever reminding him that Luke Cage is black.

So since hes black he has to act a certain way?

[xisaacx]

Spider-Woman's presence implies one of three things: 1) Bendis forgot his own continuity, 2) Bendis intended for her to be there for some reason that's not clear to us, or 3) they're not even flashbacks to Secret War in the first place. No matter how you look at it, automatically assuming Bendis ****ed up because Spider-Woman wasn't in Secret War is a pretty big jump to an unfounded conclusion.

Considering the ISSUE isnt out and the dialogue isnt there, how can you say that? Do you know what context its in? Do you know if its how things should have happened? If its a dream sequence? um ok YOU know nothing about it since THE ISSUE ISNT OUT YET. So until it is, dont say he messed up anything.

[SouLeSS]

So since hes black he has to act a certain way?


Yes .

[xisaacx]

Yes .

Ok so how should a "black" superhero or person act? Since they all act alike apparently.

[CaptainStacy]

Im starting to get real uncomfortable. :yay:

[Xofenroht]

Ok so how should a "black" superhero or person act? Since they all act alike apparently.

Well, they've absolutely GOT to be able to smooth talk the fliest honeys on the block. They have to be cool too, laid back type of mutha****a. On top of that, they have to act like they've grown up treated in a condescending matter by other races all their life and then pretend like they don't give a **** and still carry on with their lives.

[CaptainStacy]

Yup. DEFINITELY uncomfortable. :yay:

[Xofenroht]

Aww dammit, here I was trying to be funny. Sorry Cap.

[CaptainStacy]

So yeah; Mighty Avengers, takin' down the Doomster. I wonder if the FF are jealous? :woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

Considering the ISSUE isnt out and the dialogue isnt there, how can you say that? Do you know what context its in? Do you know if its how things should have happened? If its a dream sequence? um ok YOU know nothing about it since THE ISSUE ISNT OUT YET. So until it is, dont say he messed up anything.
Wow. You actually try to be reasonable, and even the people you're agreeing with jump down your throat. Gotta love the intarwebs.

[spectre]

hey did anybody else notice maleev drew fury a lot like dominic purcell of prison break fame? especially when he was bald.

[kguillou]

Originally posted by Xofenroht

Well, they've absolutely GOT to be able to smooth talk the fliest honeys on the block. They have to be cool too, laid back type of mutha****a. On top of that, they have to act like they've grown up treated in a condescending matter by other races all their life and then pretend like they don't give a **** and still carry on with their lives.



HAHAHAHAHA, that post made my day and i'm african american. Be careful where u post stuff like that though.:yay: lol.

[Upset Spideyfan]

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=192

[TheCorpulent1]

hey did anybody else notice maleev drew fury a lot like dominic purcell of prison break fame? especially when he was bald.
I didn't notice that, but now that you mention it, maybe that's why I didn't like Maleev's Nick Fury too much.

[Xofenroht]

HAHAHAHAHA, that post made my day and i'm african american. Be careful where u post stuff like that though.:yay: lol.

Umm...I'm "african american" too. Well, ok, cherokee-blackfoot-irish-french-african american, but hey, who needs to be politically correct these days ;)

*Watches as the original joke takes on a different meaning all together*

[spectre]

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Hmmm. Would be okay except for the fact that Bendis felt the need to recap Secret War in the first few pages, plus I've never been a huge fan of Daisy Johnson. BTW nice disguise Fury. So this Caterpillar program, sounds pretty much like an exact copy of the Young Avengers program the Vision had. Nice Bendis, real nice. Although this could explain why Fury's leading the Young Avengers on that one Secret Invasion cover. As for the final scene, is that supposed to be Ares and his son Alexander? I wasn't aware the kid had any powers.

[Anubis]

Of course he has powers, he's a demigod. Damn near killed his pops in the original mini.

[spectre]

Of course he has powers, he's a demigod. Damn near killed his pops in the original mini.

I heard about that. I just didn't know he had some weird psychic fear power.

[Xofenroht]

Seriously, what the hell have you been reading spectre?

By the way, thanks for the preview.

[Anubis]

I heard about that. I just didn't know he had some weird psychic fear power.

Not so much a psychic fear power as he oozes badassitude.

[TheCorpulent1]

He may be able to mess with their fight/flight instinct, since he's got ties to war as an abstract concept and all. Marvel seems to be all about expanding their gods' powers lately.

Glad to see Ares went back to the mohawk, by the way. He just didn't look like Ares without it. Get him his 'stache-less sailor's beard back and we're good to go. :)

[spectre]

i honestly couldn't tell who it was at first. my first thought was that it was D-Man, but that made no sense whatsoever.

[TheCorpulent1]

You need to read more with Ares. The mohawk is his signature thing.

So, about this caterpillar thing... I wonder if the Young Avengers were in Fury's caterpillar files and Iron Lad just got to them first...

[spectre]

So, about this caterpillar thing... I wonder if the Young Avengers were in Fury's caterpillar files and Iron Lad just got to them first...

Not exactly. Iron Lad found the Young Avengers Protocol in the remains of the Vision's CPU. It was basically a program that would activate if the Avengers were ever killed in action or disbanded, as they were in Disassembled. It's how he found Wiccan and Hulkling and how the Young Avengers found Speed. Stature, Hawkeye II and Patriot were not in the protocols because they had no known abilities. Bendis basically copied Heinberg's idea.

The only reason Iron Lad found Patriot was because he was looking for his uncle and Josiah X... oooh I wonder if he'll make his big return in Secret Invasion?!

[Anubis]

One can only hope.

[spectre]

It would kinda make sense for Fury to recruit him because he's very much an underground hero who few people are aware even exists. The Skrulls would have no intel on him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Not exactly. Iron Lad found the Young Avengers Protocol in the remains of the Vision's CPU. It was basically a program that would activate if the Avengers were ever killed in action or disbanded, as they were in Disassembled. It's how he found Wiccan and Hulkling and how the Young Avengers found Speed. Stature, Hawkeye II and Patriot were not in the protocols because they had no known abilities. Bendis basically copied Heinberg's idea.

The only reason Iron Lad found Patriot was because he was looking for his uncle and Josiah X... oooh I wonder if he'll make his big return in Secret Invasion?!
I know all of that. I'm saying maybe there was some overlap. If the Vision could find out about the YA kids, I'm sure Nick could too, now that we know he kept files on the children of superhumans who could potentially be used as assets.

[spectre]

i just feel like bendis is really lame for copying heinberg's idea

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, come on, it's not like it's a new idea. It's an idea that just makes too much sense not to use. Nick Fury is known to work extensively with superhumans, both as SHIELD personnel and as special agents contracted for one-time assignments, and he's also known to actively oppose other superhumans with all the resources SHIELD can bring to bear. He'd be a rather crappy spy if he didn't keep his eye on potential future superhumans, both as prospective recruits and potential threats, and Nick Fury is anything but a crappy spy.

[spectre]

I know. everything you're saying make sense. i still can't help feeling crappy about it.

[spectre]

I know. everything you're saying make sense. i still can't help feeling crappy about it.

[Anubis]

Try Vodka. That usually helps.

[Vanguard07]

God I hate the ultimate Nick Fury disguise. I hate every nod they make to it in 616. When Nick was bald I was already pissed. Now he's wandering around outright done up like his UM counterpart....

Keep the Ultimate marvel universe seperate dammit!

However:


I do concede that I was happy about Samuel L Jackson being Nick Fury in the Iron Man movie.... it was a cool cameo at the end there.

[Anubis]

I think they were making fun of it more than homaging it, in the issue I mean.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it seemed to be more of an in-joke. Daisy even pokes fun at it in there.

[Anubis]

They shoulda had somebody run up to him and be like: "Oh my God! It's Sam Jackson!! Can I get your autograph?"

[Vanguard07]

Yeah I get that they're not seriously considering changing him or anything. Still though. I'd rather forget the Ultimate Marvel Universe ever existed altogether. It and everything in it. Little in-jokes like that make it difficult.

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I was a little miffed upon seeing him at first, but it's not too bad. Daisy's little joke at the end gave me a chuckle.

[chris moore]

Latest issue: For such a nuances and clues and hints and cleverly crafted story based on continuity kinda guy, Bendis can miss a thing or two.

Dr Druid had magic potential and learned some stuff, but I havent read anything that suggests he had any kind of monster involvement that would scrmable his DNA or affect his offspring.
Phantom Rider was just a guy on a horse in a fluorescent suit that an Indian gave him - no powers, nothing mystical. Nothing to pass on a kinetic charging ability.

[Anubis]

The beauty of the Retcon lies in the ability to make s**t up as you go by referencing events that didn't happen. Like Druid's son being cursed due to something the Doc did during his time with the living. Or.....screw it....the same thing happening to the Phantom Rider (Though I'm more inclined to believe he's got him confused with that GR from Trail of Tears.)

[TheCorpulent1]

Or the powers could just not be related to the heritage. There are plenty of guys with flame powers who aren't related to Carter, Johnny, Dan, or any other Ghost Rider.

[Anubis]

Yup, this is true.

[CorpusBlack]

They shoulda had somebody run up to him and be like: "Oh my God! It's Sam Jackson!! Can I get your autograph?"

:lmao:

[chris moore]

Or the powers could just not be related to the heritage. There are plenty of guys with flame powers who aren't related to Carter, Johnny, Dan, or any other Ghost Rider.

Cept the thing about these recruits is that they arent supposed to be mutants - they're supposed to have parents who were powered by accidental means, which messed up their genes. Like the kid of Griffin (superspeed kid from a winged, lion faced dad) and Daisy (who happens to have very similar powers to her father but is stated to not be a mutant)

[Anubis]

She doesn't have similar powers to her father. She's got Earthquake powers, Hyde's just strong.

[chris moore]

Sorry - mistake. I forgot her Dad was Hyde, thought he was Moses Magnum for a minute

[TheCorpulent1]

Cept the thing about these recruits is that they arent supposed to be mutants - they're supposed to have parents who were powered by accidental means, which messed up their genes. Like the kid of Griffin (superspeed kid from a winged, lion faced dad) and Daisy (who happens to have very similar powers to her father but is stated to not be a mutant)
Yeah, whatever; "a mutant by any other name..." :o

[Upset Spideyfan]

****ing Hyde :cmad:

[Xofenroht]

I don't see how that makes these kids any different from Namor, who's classified as a mutant.

[BrianWilly]

Well...Bendis.

*shrug*

This is the guy who also had the Skrulls refer to Namor as the first mutant, which is just not accurate. He's Marvel's first mutant in publication only.

If Franklin Richards is classified as a mutant -- and he is -- then these guys are mutants as well.

[Colossal Spoons]

****ing Hyde :cmad:

****ing Donna!

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't see how that makes these kids any different from Namor, who's classified as a mutant.
The fact that Marvel editorial has a mandate in place to limit the number of new mutants.

I know, it sounds like a *****y way to take a jab at Joe Q, but that really is the only difference between these guys and mutants. Before, hereditary powers were the result of the kids' being mutants like 99% of the time, if not 100%. Hell, Mayday Parker has the exact same powers as her father, but they're chalked up to her being a mutant--she's called a mutant several times too, so it's not like I'm fanwanking the label in there.

[Colossal Spoons]

People have been complaining about Sentry sucking more than usual lately. Well the recent issue of MA just put the icing on the cake. A bunch of Skrulls stood around and talked about how crazy and easily manipulated Bob is. Bendis is trying to ruin the character beyond repair.

I hope The Void steals Lindy, ****s her, and they live happily ever after. Sentry can stay out in space for all I care :down:

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, without his mental problems, Sentry's not much of a character. He's literally just the Superman of Marvel, with nothing at all to distinguish him.

Granted, this could all be solved if they'd just use one of the many other equivalent powerhouses who aren't blatant riffs on the Superman concept that they've got sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

[Colossal Spoons]

I prefered it when Sentry stayed in his watchtower and stopped global disasters when Cloc tells him about them. He could be used for cosmic threats to Earth only. Other than that, we'd never see him but he'd be hard at work.

[moraldeficiency]

You know, they had a real chance with the sentry if they played up the fact that in reality he isn't a hero but just a low rent and rather stupid drug addict, but instead he's the one "good" example of why it's important for kids to swallow any chemicals they find laying around. I look at him and then I look at freak and basically it's the same origin story.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, if they ever sane him up, he should definitely go back to being a solo hero. The dynamic with Cloc essentially deciding who to save for him is nice.

[Colossal Spoons]

Or if he's really too much for Earth to handle, there's a ton of stuff going on in space that could use his attention.

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I like the idea of his constantly averting disasters and stuff on Earth. It's more than enough to occupy even his considerable powers, and the Marvel universe could have a few less gigantinormous catastrophes.

Granted, that's basically just shifting his status quo from "crazy Superman" to "tech-assisted Majestic."

[Colossal Spoons]

Reminds me of Atlas' job in Trials of Shazam

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't read past the first issue of that trash.

[moraldeficiency]

Good call, it's been a long wait for someone to write a good Shazam story (Monster Society of Evil I had such hopes for and what a horrible let down).

[TheCorpulent1]

I gave up on him when every writer seemed determined to pigeonhole him as simply "the magic Superman."

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah what a waste of a amazing origin story with so much ground that could be covered. I mean you've got a homeless orphan with the powers of a god, but still vunerable, you got this incredible rogues gallery and no one can get by the idea of just using basic superman stories for the guy. The last good story I read with him (other than Justice) was the Superman/Shazam limited which is kinda funny to say but really showed just how different the two really are and why Captian is essential to the DCU.

[Colossal Spoons]

I liked it. I'm not sold on Freddy yet but we'll see.

[TheCorpulent1]

Preview of #16 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=670&disp=table)

I'm totally not buying this because, quite frankly, f*** Elektra.

[Red]

So Electra caused the breakout....Wait...No, I don't care.

[kguillou]

It really isnt that shocking given the fact that it was a skrull elektra, if it was the real electra then that would be something but since it was a skrull it really doesnt matter who it was impersonating.

[moraldeficiency]

Thought it was time to bump this up. Recent Slott interview:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18245

It was a rainy early afternoon when Marvel kicked off their presence at the "Baltimore Comic-Con with the “Cup of B” panel. A line of fans waited outside the door for the “DC Universe” panel to end. The first Marvel panel of the weekend was full before the previous panel-goers finished filing out. The panel featured writers Brian Michael Bendis, Dan Slott and C.B. Cebulski, along with editor Tom Brevoort. Bendis immediately approached the microphone and welcomed the audience to the first ever “Cup of B” panel. “The B is for ********,” he explained to laughs.

Bendis then had a confession. “I wasn’t aware this panel existed until about forty five minutes before it happened,” he said. “Are we announcing anything?” The Marvel gurus seemed to confer, then re-iterated the recent news that Bendis is leaving “Mighty Avengers” with Issue #20. “It’s a pretty dramatic issue for the book.” The panel then had a new announcement — the writer replacing Bendis on the book would be none other than Dan Slott.

“There’s a lot of people on my message boards who are going to be very happy about that,” Bendis said. Slott also announced that he would be leaving “Avengers: The Initiative.” He assured the audience that the book would be just as good, however, with Christos Gage taking over as solo writer. “All your favorite characters are still there,” Slott said. “There’s going to be a lot of Taskmaster.”

Bendis then announced that his long promised “Spider-Woman” series with Alex Maleev is finally scheduled. The book will be called “Spider-Woman: Agent of S.W.O.R.D.” and will debut in March of 2009. “There’s a lot of bells and whistles in the new Spider-Woman series that we can’t tell you about yet, but we’re very excited about,” Brevoort promised.

“It’s all ads,” Bendis joked.

Cebulski then mentioned the new X-event, “X-Infernus,” a follow-up to the Infernus event from twenty years ago, this time with a focus on the X-Men. “It’s going to focus on a lot of the New Mutants and you’re definitely going to see the return of magic with a ‘c’ and magik with a ‘k’ to the Marvel Univserse,” Cebulski hinted.

Slott then spoke briefly about “New Ways To Die” and the Spidey Brain Trust’s future plans for “Amazing Spider-Man.” The new issue of “New Ways To Die” will be out on time with a back-up story written by Mark Waid and featuring Steven Colbert. Macros Martin will be returning for another arc. Slott also announced that it will soon be explained why Harry Osborne isn’t dead. “I’m going to give you my totally logical, non-magical explanation as to why Harry is still alive,” Slott promised. Whatever the explanation, Slott explained that the Molten Man will be targeting Harry during the story-line.

He also had one more promise about his upcoming work on “Amazing Spider-Man.” “The Marvel Universe will never be the same again!” he said in a booming voice, drawing coughs and grumbles from his fellow panelists. “I know. I just like saying that. Spider-Man’s universe will never be the same again.”

Bendis also announced that an upcoming issue of “Mighty Avengers” featuring likely either Luke Cage or Jessica Jones is only half drawn by Billy Tan. “We were able to get Michael Gaydos for the flashbacks,” Bendis said about the other half. This feat was apparently not easy and Bendis was sure to thank the editor of “Manhunter” for finding time in Gaydos’ schedule.

Bendis also discussed the most recent release of Powers, issue #30, which was recently revealed to be the last issue of Vol. 2 of the series. “It’s Oeming’s best issue yet,” Bendis said, further explaining that he was grateful for the support of those who stuck with the book during its’ difficult schedule. The new volume of “Powers” will be released during the tenth anniversary of the series, with the intent that it will tie in to an announcement about the “Powers” TV show. “We’re going to get four or five issues in the can,” Bendis said. “We never wanted the schedule to go so out of control like that, but it did because of problems, both personal and professional.”

C.B. Cebulski noted that Damon Lindelof has turned in all the scripts for “Ultimate Hulk Vs. Wolverine” and that the Leinil Francis Yu will begin drawing it as soon as he’s finished “Secret Invasion.”

At this point the panel opened up the floor to questions. One fan asked, in response to the announcement that Harry’s presence in “Amazing Spider-Man” would be explained, whether the writers plan to eventually explain all the changes. “Yes,” Slott said. “We’re going to explain everything.”

“But not all at once,” Brevoort chimed in.

Another fan stood up and asked if Bendis has seen the picture online of a fan who’d made a coat out of his “Secret Invasion” tie-ins and what he thought about it if so? Bendis said he hadn’t seen the picture, however, he thought it was cool if true. “Listen, I love him. You can buy it, roll it up, shove it up your ass. I don’t care. That’s not even in the top ten of crazy **** I’ve had to deal with online.”

It turns out the man who made the coat was actually in the audience. Bendis asked him why he didn’t bring the jacket with him. The fan shrugged.“‘Secret Invasion’ really didn’t work for you at all as a story or a piece of porno?” Bendis asked. The fan laughed and said it didn’t. Bendis shrugged and moved on.

The next fan asked if there would be a new Man-Thing series soon. “Not a new Man-Thing series, but there is a Man-Thing appearance in a Spider-Man comic,” Brevoort said.

Bendis took the moment to announce that Morbius, another character the fan asked about, would be in “Ultimate Spider-Man” post-“Ultimatum.”

One fan asked if Bendis could please put Luke Cage back in his old costume and give him back his old moniker of “Power-Man.” Bendis laughed and explained that he loves Luke Cage and is frequently teased for his “man-crush” on the character, but he would never bring those relics of the character back. “I think those took away from some of the more noble aspects of the character.”

Bendis also announced that there’s a flashback upcoming in an issue of Avengers that deals with Cage and his father. The group made a few more Luke Cage jokes. “This goes on at every Marvel retreat. Just pummeling me with Luke Cage jokes,” Bendis complained.

A fan asked when Steve Rogers would be coming back. “Secret Invasion #8,” Bendis joked. Bendis then confessed that he was about to say something that would earn him unending ire on the internet. “I actually think Bucky is more fascinating than Steve Rogers,” he said. “It’s all interesting, it’s new and yet it’s all really immersed in Cap’s history.”

Bendis admitted, after prompting from a fan, that his story structure for “Secret Invasion” was influenced by Soderbergh’s films, such as “Traffic.” “Anyone can re-arrange scenes and re-arrange chapters, but the question is can you do it in the most dramatic way possible?” Bendis explained. “Then when you look at it, it’ll be a different thing. Or you could make a jacket out of it.”

Bendis explained the structure for “Secret Invasion” had a lot more potential for dramatic thrills than if the story had just been told chronologically. “Even just this week when the ‘House of M’ issue came out, my board was full of people who went rushing back to their trades to re-read it,” Bendis said. “That’s exactly what I wanted out of it.”

One fan asked for more information about “Dark Reign,” the new status quo for the Marvel Universe following “Secret Invasion.” While “Dark Reign” was announced a month ago, Bendis still had to remain mum on the details. “It’s what comes on the last page of ‘Secret Invasion’ #8,” he said. He re-iterated that when he originally pitched “Secret Invasion,” it was “Dark Reign” that sold the concept to Quesada, a fact Bendis has mentioned before.

Is that it? Could Bendis say anything more about it? “S.H.I.E.L.D. is a mess, Stark-Tech is a mess and all these things are gone and something has to take their place,” he explained. “When ‘Secret Invasion’ #8 comes out, you’ll be pummeled with information from team line-ups to everything.” He also clarified that “Dark Reign” is not another event but rather the fall-out from “Secret Invasion” that will become the new status quo, much as “The Initiative” was the new status quo following “Civil War.”

A fan asked if we will see Peter Parker and Mary Jane married again. “No. You will not,” Brevoort answered unequivocally.

“It’s gonna be hard because Peter and Flash start dating,” Bendis said, drawing big laughs from the crowd.

“That is every Spider-Man summit I’ve ever been to,” Slott joked.

Another fan asked if “Ultimatum” is truly the end of the Ultimate Universe. “It’s the end of my relationship with Jeph Loeb,” Bendis joked in response.

Slott announced there will be a new “Skrull Kill Krew” mini, featuring the newest addition to the group — 3-D Man, as featured in “Avengers: The Intiative.”

A fan asked what network the new Powers TV show deal is for. “I’ll put it this way,” Bendis said after much prodding. “It is a shame ‘The Shield’ is coming to an end.” “The Shield” airs on the FX cable channel.

A fan asked about the new status quo for Doctor Strange. Bendis answered that in Stephen’s mind, he’s failed at being Sorcerer Supreme, leading to his surrendering the role. “So the question is — if he’s not Sorcerer Supreme, who is?”

One fan broke out the old perennial convention question — how much time has passed since Ultimate Spider-Man #1? “Three weeks,” Bendis joked. “Three really ****ty weeks.” He then confessed that in his head it’s been about nine months. “My original plan if I made it to a hundred issues was to do Peter’s sixteenth birthday as Issue #100 but I couldn’t do that because I was deep in the clone saga.”

He also explained that Spider-Woman would soon be returning to “Ultimate Spider-Man.” “There’s a story coming up that I’m very excited about,” he said. “One of Peter’s friends has the hots for her, doesn’t know she’s Peter’s clone, it’s a whole ‘Seinfeld’ thing going on. I’m very proud of it.”

A fan wondered about the man with the suit and tie in the evil Illuminati preview image and even speculated on who it might be, but Bendis was having none of it.

“No. That’s Tie-Man,” he explained. “He’s new.”





So looks like I'll be reading two avengers titles soon. AtI and mighty. I'm curious who the cast will be, but jocosta is a step in the right direction.

[Colossal Spoons]

Bring on the magic in the MU. Maybe Strange will be relevant again :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Hopefully they won't neglect the gods this time, like they did with Mystic Arcana. Thor and Herc are magic too, damn it! :cmad:

[RockSP]

Yuck. I'll read Mighty for Slott but damn I was not feeling Koi Pham on Hercules and I doubt he's gotten any better. They need to get a new artist to go with the new writer...

[Dread]

I can't wait for Slott on Mighty Avengers. The guy's movin' on up, and that can only mean good things.

Anyone getting the sinking feeling that SECRET INVASION is going to give us our 4th non-ending in a row?

(Although, to be fair, WORLD WAR HULK came the closest to an ending, and I didn't count the ANNIHILATION stuff, which was usually stronger even at it's weakest).

[JustABill]

I overheard him saying to a guy at Baltimore Comic Con, that he intends it to be the ''most avengery avenger book" out there. Watch out Bendis. :o

[Franklin Richards]

I'm thinking Tigra, Jocasta, Monica Marvel, Yellowjacket, Wasp, Hawkeye, Vision and Scarlett Witch, and Beast and Wonderman.

Maybe some Masters of Evil stuff. West Coast villains would be fun. Graviton, Master Pandemonium.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Colossal Spoons]

Vision from YA?

And Wanda better not show her face in public or else every mutant and ex-mutant is going to try to kill her. I know I would :o

[Franklin Richards]

She's Mutant Zero.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Colossal Spoons]

That *****!

[RockSP]

She's Mutant Zero.

So she's wearing a wig...

[Franklin Richards]

Hello???

Magic.


:D


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[THANOSRULES]

I'm thinking Tigra, Jocasta, Monica Marvel, Yellowjacket, Wasp, Hawkeye, Vision and Scarlett Witch, and Beast and Wonderman.

Maybe some Masters of Evil stuff. West Coast villains would be fun. Graviton, Master Pandemonium.


:thing: :doom: :thing:


I was thinkin Graviton also maybe Immortus.

Both those guys are in need of a good showin these days.

[THANOSRULES]

Hello???

Magic.


:D


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Hair dye can be pretty magical.

[moraldeficiency]

I'm thinking Tigra, Jocasta, Monica Marvel, Yellowjacket, Wasp, Hawkeye, Vision and Scarlett Witch, and Beast and Wonderman.

Maybe some Masters of Evil stuff. West Coast villains would be fun. Graviton, Master Pandemonium.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Slott mentioned in the interview about wonder-man and beast guest staring so I'd say they're out.

[Dread]

I overheard him saying to a guy at Baltimore Comic Con, that he intends it to be the ''most avengery avenger book" out there. Watch out Bendis. :o

Indeed. It sounds good. Anyone who reads AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE knows that he's a fan of continuity and some lessor known characters, as well as classic villains.

Plus, he likely will remain in contact with Gage on A:TI when he takes over the full writing duties, and the books may share characters and cross over more. That would be cool.

She's Mutant Zero.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

That would be...interesting...

[hippie_hunter]

I'm thinking Tigra, Jocasta, Monica Marvel, Yellowjacket, Wasp, Hawkeye, Vision and Scarlett Witch, and Beast and Wonderman.

Maybe some Masters of Evil stuff. West Coast villains would be fun. Graviton, Master Pandemonium.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

I think Slott confirmed that Beast and Wonder Man are not in the roster. Hawkeye will still be in Bendis' New Avengers post-SI.

I'm thinking Yellowjacket and Jocasta, will be the members that move from Avengers: The Initiative to Mighty Avengers. With Camp Hammond Pym being a Skrull it would make no sense for the real Pym to take his place in Camp Hammond since he wasn't even around for Civil War and took no part in building up the 50 State Initiative.

You can't have Yellowjacket without Wasp though. I think she'll be in unless Secret Invasion does something big to her like they're hinting.

I think that there will be one major character on the team like Thor or Iron Man. Captain America is going to be on New Avengers so he's out. And frankly I feel that some major things will be happening to Iron Man post-SI so he might be out for a short while. I'm guessing Thor.

And with the line of people that Jarvis loves, I'm thinking that Tigra will not be in the line-up since he recently expressed his dislike of her. But maybe Silverclaw. However with that logic that would also include Iron Man.

[Anubis]

Assuming he's still alive of course.

[RockSP]

Captain America is going to be on New Avengers

:csad::csad::csad:

[yenaled]

I hope to God if Slott is using Hank Pym (if he is alive) he doesn't use Yellowjacket.

[Dread]

I think Slott confirmed that Beast and Wonder Man are not in the roster. Hawkeye will still be in Bendis' New Avengers post-SI.

I'm thinking Yellowjacket and Jocasta, will be the members that move from Avengers: The Initiative to Mighty Avengers. With Camp Hammond Pym being a Skrull it would make no sense for the real Pym to take his place in Camp Hammond since he wasn't even around for Civil War and took no part in building up the 50 State Initiative.

You can't have Yellowjacket without Wasp though. I think she'll be in unless Secret Invasion does something big to her like they're hinting.

I think that there will be one major character on the team like Thor or Iron Man. Captain America is going to be on New Avengers so he's out. And frankly I feel that some major things will be happening to Iron Man post-SI so he might be out for a short while. I'm guessing Thor.

And with the line of people that Jarvis loves, I'm thinking that Tigra will not be in the line-up since he recently expressed his dislike of her. But maybe Silverclaw. However with that logic that would also include Iron Man.

That's likely. Frankly I always kind of liked Jocasta so I wouldn't mind her return.

Of course, Slott may be under editorial expectations to stick with the core cast of Mighty Avengers. Of course, Wonder Man was part of that cast and he's being written out (it seems), so who knows.

If anything, this is the title to do a "Search for Hank Pym" story in. Slott likely cares more about him than Bendis does and if the door isn't completely closed by the reveal of a corse in SI #8 or so, then I could imagine Slott getting on the ball on this. Since I highly doubt Bendis would dare kill off Jessica Drew, that leaves hope that he could leave another writer, like Slott on MA, the chance to revive Pym, too. As as Wasp was already part of MA anyway, it's a no-brainer.

Iron Man likely will stay on the book because, frankly, he's the A-List team member; much as most incarnations of the JLA by default have to have Batman, Superman, and/or Wonder Woman. Ms. Marvel, Ares, and Sentry may also stick around, unless Bendis wants any of 'em for DARK AVENGERS or NEW AVENGERS (Both Sentry and Ms. Marvel were former New Avengers). Frankly, I don't know why Wonder Man and Beast AREN'T on this book. Considering Slott's past works, I'd imagine he'd have a ball with 'em.

I do wonder if he'll take Eric O'Grady from A:TI and stick him on MIGHTY eventually. It might be fun to have both him and the real Pym around to try to redeem Hank. Eric's the jerk everyone assumes Hank is. Hank is plagued by "the worst mistake of his life" (or at least he has been since ULTIMATES got hot) but Eric does those almost nightly. It might be fun to watch them play off each other.

Granted, this is Slott the Marvel Handbook Browser. For all we know, Starfox could be on the roster. :p

I hope to God if Slott is using Hank Pym (if he is alive) he doesn't use Yellowjacket.

I agree; I preferred the "Doctor Pym" power level of the 90's when he used his particles to their full effects with shrinking and growing both himself and others, rather than just sticking mindlessly to only one.

[TheCorpulent1]

Pym would be great if he's still alive.

[CaptainCanada]

You can't have Yellowjacket without Wasp though.
Disagree; both characters work better these days when they're kept apart. It keeps the toxic snare of their relationship at bay.

I think that there will be one major character on the team like Thor or Iron Man. Captain America is going to be on New Avengers so he's out. And frankly I feel that some major things will be happening to Iron Man post-SI so he might be out for a short while. I'm guessing Thor.
Slott said one founding member, I believe, so if Yellowjacket is there then Thor wouldn't be; but then, Thor is guest-starring in Bendis' final issue, so maybe that's setup.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, if this is meant to be a new beginning for MA and the team'll include one founder, Thor may be likelier than he first appears. Thor's literally the only founder besides the Hulk who hasn't been an Avenger since the Disassembled/New Avengers overhaul, and I doubt the Hulk would be joining anytime soon.

[Dread]

Well, if this is meant to be a new beginning for MA and the team'll include one founder, Thor may be likelier than he first appears. Thor's literally the only founder besides the Hulk who hasn't been an Avenger since the Disassembled/New Avengers overhaul, and I doubt the Hulk would be joining anytime soon.

Unless they count Rick Jones. :p

Yeah, Thor would be good, too.

Slott's the best hope for a REAL Avengers book out of MA so far, IMO.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd be interested to see how Slott handles Thor. He's pretty good at finding characters' voices.

[Dread]

I'd be interested to see how Slott handles Thor. He's pretty good at finding characters' voices.

In a way, the fact that Thor isn't speaking Sheakespearian may help. Not everyone can "work" with that sort of lingo.

It may also give hope for Tarene not being a Skrull. Imagine both in one team book? :wow:

[TheCorpulent1]

I like writing Thor's "ye olde" speech. It's really not that hard to get the syntax right, and if you can combine that with a lofty, arrogant noble-type inflection, you've got Thor's dialogue.

Thor and Tarene on the same team would be a bit odd. I think I'd prefer to just see them make cameos in each other's titles. Maybe at least have Thor deign to acknowledge Tarene's existence, given that he once cared enough about her to entrust protection of the entire planet to her.

[Dread]

I like writing Thor's "ye olde" speech. It's really not that hard to get the syntax right, and if you can combine that with a lofty, arrogant noble-type inflection, you've got Thor's dialogue.

Thor and Tarene on the same team would be a bit odd. I think I'd prefer to just see them make cameos in each other's titles. Maybe at least have Thor deign to acknowledge Tarene's existence, given that he once cared enough about her to entrust protection of the entire planet to her.

I haven't missed the "ye olde" speech too much. It is easily mocked. Still, it is a shame that the infamous, "Ultron, we would have words with thee" line was first immortalized on the small screen by Thor's semi-original daughter from NEXT AVENGERS. :p

Frankly, the chances of Tarene visiting JMS' slowpoke THOR range from nil to impossible (they needed Fraction, an event and a tie-in to even have Thor meet Bill again), so I figured MIGHTY would be the best shot, if Thor will indeed be a member.

[TheCorpulent1]

I haven't missed the "ye olde" speech too much. It is easily mocked. Still, it is a shame that the infamous, "Ultron, we would have words with thee" line was first immortalized on the small screen by Thor's semi-original daughter from NEXT AVENGERS. :p
Ew, really? :(

[Dread]

Ew, really? :(

Yeah. Thor's daughter Torrun says it to Ultron for the final battle (before the Kid Avengers basically just fight robot versions of their parents and leave Ultron to Hulk). Some called it an "homage". I considered it insulting and a rub in the eye to everyone who wants a decent Avengers cartoon, but won't get them because all the powers-that-be want to animate are Ultimates Lite or Tweenie Avengers.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thankfully, I wasn't planning to watch that anyway.

[Dread]

Thankfully, I wasn't planning to watch that anyway.

It isn't as bad as INVINCIBLE IRON MAN was. That said, the best moments in the flick have little to do with the kids themselves. There was far more room to be creative with them, but the writers played things too predictable and straight for their target audience, assuming that young children can't handle anything quirky or complicated (because anime and manga apparently aren't :rolleyes: ) At the very least, it provided a great adaptation of Ultron, but did a tweak to his origin that was pointless.

In NEXT AVENGERS, Ultron was built by Tony Stark, not Hank Pym.

What kills me is that Marvel/Lion's Gate obviously considers Iron Man and Hulk to be "money characters"; those two have literally appeared in 4 out of 5 DTV's. A closer adaptation of the Avengers could have both easily because both are founders. But, instead we got NEXT AVENGERS. It wasn't the train-wreck I expected, but was too stock in many ways. I typed a longer review I can link you to, but that's the gist.

[THANOSRULES]

How about the New Ant Man on the Mighty Avengers.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd love that. Eric O'Grady is awesome. He gets a good amount of "panel time" in A:TI now fortunately :up:

[kguillou]

The Mighty avengers may be needing an "ant" character soon, cause i have a feeling Janet's going bye bye and who knows where hank pym is.

[Anubis]

Somewhere being anal probed.

[hippie_hunter]

Of course, Slott may be under editorial expectations to stick with the core cast of Mighty Avengers. Of course, Wonder Man was part of that cast and he's being written out (it seems), so who knows.
I dunno, from what he's been saying, it sounds like the entire cast is getting changed around. Spider-Woman is obviously out of the team. Wonder Man is gone.

If anything, this is the title to do a "Search for Hank Pym" story in. Slott likely cares more about him than Bendis does and if the door isn't completely closed by the reveal of a corse in SI #8 or so, then I could imagine Slott getting on the ball on this. Since I highly doubt Bendis would dare kill off Jessica Drew, that leaves hope that he could leave another writer, like Slott on MA, the chance to revive Pym, too. As as Wasp was already part of MA anyway, it's a no-brainer.
Search for Hank Pym would be awesome.

Iron Man likely will stay on the book because, frankly, he's the A-List team member; much as most incarnations of the JLA by default have to have Batman, Superman, and/or Wonder Woman. Ms. Marvel, Ares, and Sentry may also stick around, unless Bendis wants any of 'em for DARK AVENGERS or NEW AVENGERS (Both Sentry and Ms. Marvel were former New Avengers). Frankly, I don't know why Wonder Man and Beast AREN'T on this book. Considering Slott's past works, I'd imagine he'd have a ball with 'em.
Slott is saying that he really doesn't want to focus on Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, etc. too much because they have their own books. And because they have their own books, he can't do anything major with them.

Personally I think that Iron Man will be off the team for just a short time to deal with the post-SI status quo in his own book and rejoin later on. I'm thinking Thor will be the A-lister founding member on Slott's roster.

I do wonder if he'll take Eric O'Grady from A:TI and stick him on MIGHTY eventually. It might be fun to have both him and the real Pym around to try to redeem Hank. Eric's the jerk everyone assumes Hank is. Hank is plagued by "the worst mistake of his life" (or at least he has been since ULTIMATES got hot) but Eric does those almost nightly. It might be fun to watch them play off each other.
I'd rather see O'Grady stick with Avengers: The Initiative for the time being.

[Dread]

How about the New Ant Man on the Mighty Avengers.

Yeah, I stated how it might be possible in a previous post.

I'd love that. Eric O'Grady is awesome. He gets a good amount of "panel time" in A:TI now fortunately :up:

It's certainly possible.

The Mighty avengers may be needing an "ant" character soon, cause i have a feeling Janet's going bye bye and who knows where hank pym is.

Considering Bendis has helped kill Pym's character, he may as well off his ex wife :rolleyes: Anyway, I hope that isn't the case. Marvel has few longtime heroines, especially after Bendis rendered Wanda worthless.

I dunno, from what he's been saying, it sounds like the entire cast is getting changed around. Spider-Woman is obviously out of the team. Wonder Man is gone.

Yeah.

Search for Hank Pym would be awesome.

It would be. Slott would be a great writer to do it, and MIGHTY AVENGERS an appropriate book.

Slott is saying that he really doesn't want to focus on Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, etc. too much because they have their own books. And because they have their own books, he can't do anything major with them.

I don't think having one of them on a team interacting with characters is "major". By that logic, nothing "major" can happen to Wolverine in the X-books because he's part of New Avengers.

Personally I think that Iron Man will be off the team for just a short time to deal with the post-SI status quo in his own book and rejoin later on. I'm thinking Thor will be the A-lister founding member on Slott's roster.

That is possible.

I'd rather see O'Grady stick with Avengers: The Initiative for the time being.

I wouldn't mind that, either. I was just wondering if a roster shift for him was possible. Slott may bring some characters from A:TI to MA, and why not? Other writers have done similar things. Play with your strengths.

Hey, could that mean She-Hulk returning to the roster? I mean, if Marvel and PAD were willing to rent her out for LAST DEFENDERS...

[hippie_hunter]

I don't think having one of them on a team interacting with characters is "major". By that logic, nothing "major" can happen to Wolverine in the X-books because he's part of New Avengers.
Slott does have a point though. Does anything major really happen with Wolverine in New Avengers asides from just well...being there.

I wouldn't mind that, either. I was just wondering if a roster shift for him was possible. Slott may bring some characters from A:TI to MA, and why not? Other writers have done similar things. Play with your strengths.

Hey, could that mean She-Hulk returning to the roster? I mean, if Marvel and PAD were willing to rent her out for LAST DEFENDERS...
Hmmm...hear me out on this:

Yellowjacket
Thor
She-Hulk
Jocasta
the Thing
Silverclaw

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't think having one of them on a team interacting with characters is "major". By that logic, nothing "major" can happen to Wolverine in the X-books because he's part of New Avengers.

I should hope something serious/permanent happening to Wolverine would happen in an X-book as opposed to NA. That'd just be ridiculous and disrespectful :cmad:

[Dread]

Slott does have a point though. Does anything major really happen with Wolverine in New Avengers asides from just well...being there.

Has anything in the X-books lately?


Hmmm...hear me out on this:

Yellowjacket
Thor
She-Hulk
Jocasta
the Thing
Silverclaw

I'm not seeing Silverclaw or Thing on an Avengers roster.

I should hope something serious/permanent happening to Wolverine would happen in an X-book as opposed to NA. That'd just be ridiculous and disrespectful :cmad:

Bendis? Ridiculous and disrespectful? In a story? You jest!

[Franklin Richards]

Ever since Avengers turned into an All-Star Squadron like the JLA, I've always thought that the FF should be represented. Reed has been making lots of appearances via the Illuminati but seeing one of the boys or Sue on the real team would be great.

If Wolverine and Spider-man can be on 8 books, why can't Ben be an Avenger too?


:thing: :thing: :thing:

[THANOSRULES]

I'd rather have some cool fringe Avengers on their with a mix of classic.

My picks....

New Ant Man-Old Avenger persona
Justice-Old Avenger (plus Slott said a character would be making the leap from the pages of A:TI)
Thor-Classic Avenger
Jocasta-Just cause she's confirmed..never cared for the Jocasta much.
Vision-Classic Avenger

..and the team needs a "mystical" person, but with Strange in NA not sure who would be viable..Sersi?

[Colossal Spoons]

^Brother Voodoo lol

[supermarvelman]

Why Jocasta? And why the Hell is WonderMan off, somebody better be using him. I've loved Slott in everything he's done, but WonderMan is one of my favorites, and I'm kinda pissed cause Slott could do a lot with WonderMan continuity.

[Colossal Spoons]

Slott must like Jocosta

[Dread]

Ever since Avengers turned into an All-Star Squadron like the JLA, I've always thought that the FF should be represented. Reed has been making lots of appearances via the Illuminati but seeing one of the boys or Sue on the real team would be great.

If Wolverine and Spider-man can be on 8 books, why can't Ben be an Avenger too?


:thing: :thing: :thing:

It just seems a little off. Besides, he, Reed, and Sue were Avengers once, and it stunk.

I'd rather have some cool fringe Avengers on their with a mix of classic.

My picks....

New Ant Man-Old Avenger persona
Justice-Old Avenger (plus Slott said a character would be making the leap from the pages of A:TI)
Thor-Classic Avenger
Jocasta-Just cause she's confirmed..never cared for the Jocasta much.
Vision-Classic Avenger

..and the team needs a "mystical" person, but with Strange in NA not sure who would be viable..Sersi?

Justice would be interesting, but he still may be doing his "Counter-Force" thing. Vision is still attached to the Young Avengers, and is in a way a chunk of Iron Lad/Young Kang anyway. He's almost a new character in that way. I see him as Vision 2.0. The original Vision was still torn apart by She-Hulk in DISASSEMBLED.

She-Hulk would play a little to Slott's heart if she was on the book. True, she is supposed to be with the Last Defenders in Jersey, but they're a non-SHRA team. Besides, it sold poorly and I don't expect it to stay in continuity long.

Why Jocasta? And why the Hell is WonderMan off, somebody better be using him. I've loved Slott in everything he's done, but WonderMan is one of my favorites, and I'm kinda pissed cause Slott could do a lot with WonderMan continuity.

I do agree that I am a little disappointed that Slott doesn't want to revive the Wonder-Man & Beast dynamic. A lot of fans have been missing it and one would think Slott would be a master at it. The road not traveled, I guess.

Frankly, aside for being Ms. Marvel's boyfriend, Bendis hasn't done a lot with him, either. The only story I've read of him where he almost seemed like a character was that WHO DO YOU TRUST? tale from Brian Reed. ;)

[CaptainCanada]

I do agree that I am a little disappointed that Slott doesn't want to revive the Wonder-Man & Beast dynamic. A lot of fans have been missing it and one would think Slott would be a master at it. The road not traveled, I guess.
He said in the interview that he wants to use both of them if he gets them as guest stars; bottom line, Beast isn't leaving the X-Men (and, Wolverine aside, Marvel's not big on team-sharing).

[Dread]

He said in the interview that he wants to use both of them if he gets them as guest stars; bottom line, Beast isn't leaving the X-Men (and, Wolverine aside, Marvel's not big on team-sharing).

That makes no sense. Storm was able to hop around BLACK PANTHER and FANTASTIC FOUR for a while, and is back with the X-Men to some degree. Spider-Man and Wolverine are of course the poster children for popping all over. Iron Man shows up in about 2-20 books a week. Marvel was willing to rent out Colossus to THE LAST DEFENDERS and heavily promote him as a permanent member in Newsarama interviews and solicts (he only stayed for 2 issues). She-Hulk has skipped across a few books. Hank Pym and Mr. Fantastic would appear in any book that needs a token brain for a scene, too.

You would think that Marvel would learn that trying to seperate everyone doesn't work as well as keeping things organic. The Marvel Universe is a fluid interchanging and interacting one.

You can't have Wolverine, Spidey, and Iron Man appear in a dozen books a week and then draw the lines on other characters. It appears hypocritical.

Of course Slott's MIGHTY AVENGERS run is coming after SECRET INVASION and all that and Bendis will likely take some characters with him and some may be off stage after the event and all that. But a comic universe's strengths are in the character interactions and bonds, and needlessly segregating characters (and not others) puts up unneeded road blocks.

Beast's been a humorless bore for years now; it'd have been cool to have him kick back with the Avengers again. He always made more sense than Wolverine. You can't use "suspension of disbelief" to explain why Iron Man or Wolverine are in many places in a month but go, "Ooh, but Beast is supposed to be in San Fran now, uh-uh-UHHH!" without looking a bit unfair.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I am saying the Marvel "no team sharing" policy is illogical and can be a barrier to some good writing, especially since, frankly, their A-List writers can just pen in anyone they want anyway. You think if Bendis wanted Beast and Wonder Man in NEW AVENGERS, he would be told no and given a team sharing lecture? Pfft.

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd be cool if they could get a really unexpected X-character on an Avengers team. Like Iceman. But Carey's begun using Iceman where he can, and he's developing him pretty well. I wouldn't want them to steal Bobby away from him.

[Dread]

It'd be cool if they could get a really unexpected X-character on an Avengers team. Like Iceman. But Carey's begun using Iceman where he can, and he's developing him pretty well. I wouldn't want them to steal Bobby away from him.

To the surprise of no one, I'd pick Colossus. He's been drowning in the X-Men for a while, even since his resurrection. Whedon just made him "Kitty's boyfriend". Without her, he's stuck in the background or doing token Russian stories that, after the fall of the Soviet Union, seem more outdated than ever. The broader problem is that writers have not known what to do with him FOR YEARS; perhaps over a decade. That was why he was sacrificed to end the Legacy Virus story and why it took a good 3-4 years for his return. Even afterwards, Whedon admitted in interviews to having "difficulty" writing him. The idea of a noble, artistic Russian hero was more original during the Soviet era than now, where it comes off as stock. I'd say, write Colossus like Superman, only with less powers and naturally isn't as dominating a presence. He got family values from farm living and can be creative and gentle, but threaten his family and friends and the tanker comes out. He's also a tragic figure; he's lost his sister and a few family members. His girlfriend just died. He was tortured for years. The X-Men are always in a state of upheaval. The guy needs some stability and another option.

The guy needs to face legitimate threats and portray at least as much strength as The Thing. If you're looking for things to seperate him from simply being "another Class 80 tanker", well:

- Unlike some "tankers", Colossus doesn't need to breathe or eat in his steel form, and thus is immune to knock-out gas (and could travel underwater). He's also immune to stuff like electricity and immunse heat & cold, but so are many tankers and writers often forget that.
- Colossus has proven to have resistance to black magic. During INFERNO, he was immune to the demonic powers effecting New York. There are other stories where he proved immune or highly resistant to magic, either due to his metal form, his "pure spirit", or both.
- His "steel form" may still have weird areas to explore. He leaks "bio-energy" when wounded sometimes, and he has at times been immune to Rogue's power-absorbing abilities. Granted, some of this was writing issues, but something to play with, at least so long as they don't make him the ever-exploding Capt. Atom.
- If fistcuffs bore a writer, technically Colossus knows how to use a sword, having been trained by Nightcrawler in that area. He has another option besides slugging. Not that I would really want to see a broadsword or something become part of the arsenal, but it is something.

Plus, while Wolverine & Gambit are the "playah" X-Men, Colossus has had a slew of girlfriends, too.

THE LAST DEFENDERS teased with another option for him, but Colossus was a non-factor and was overshadowed by She-Hulk (who eventually proved to be "destined" to be a Last Defender).

Basically, if I had the choice of him continuing to be a B-Lister in the X-Men doing the same noise he has been doing with no variation, or a risk elsewhere, I might take the risk. Iceman could work, too. Of course these are moot conversations; if Slott can barely get Beast for a guest shot, who genuinely was an Avenger for long stretches of time simply due to wanting to keep team people seperated (aside for Wolverine, Spider-Man, and Iron Man), then anyone else may be asking a bit.

[Franklin Richards]

It just seems a little off. Besides, he, Reed, and Sue were Avengers once, and it stunk.

Reed and Sue were stuck in a bad run on the Avengers. I won't blame them for that, but Reed and Sue aren't exactly the ones who would fit in an All-Star Avengers. As for Ben.... he got a tease in the West Coast Avengers and for the 4 or so issues he was there, he was fun.

If any of the characters can survive outside of the FF, it's Ben. He's got solo power after his two in one and solo mags. I would love to see him regularly in Avengers.

Johnny might fit too if they keep Spider-man. Could be real fun reading "I'm with Stupid" type scenes with Slott on the mag.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[moraldeficiency]

Johnny might fit too if they keep Spider-man. Could be real fun reading "I'm with Stupid" type scenes with Slott on the mag.


I would freaking love that. Unfortunately Bendis just has to have Spider-Man on New Avengers so he can continue to make everyone hate him, well hate him more.

[hippie_hunter]

Why Jocasta? And why the Hell is WonderMan off, somebody better be using him. I've loved Slott in everything he's done, but WonderMan is one of my favorites, and I'm kinda pissed cause Slott could do a lot with WonderMan continuity.

I agree that it's rather dumb that they're getting rid of Wonder Man.

Slott goes off saying how he'd rather not focus the team on characters like Spider-Man, Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk because they have their own books thus limiting what he can do to them such as marrying them, killing them, giving them a major problem, giving them a kid, etc. because those type of things will occur in their own books.

But here we have Wonder Man, someone who doesn't have his own book giving Slott all the free reign he wants. He's Avengers caliber. He's already on the damn team. And he's taking him off for some reason. That makes little sense.

[Blader5489]

I agree that it's rather dumb that they're getting rid of Wonder Man.

Slott goes off saying how he'd rather not focus the team on characters like Spider-Man, Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk because they have their own books thus limiting what he can do to them such as marrying them, killing them, giving them a major problem, giving them a kid, etc. because those type of things will occur in their own books.

But here we have Wonder Man, someone who doesn't have his own book giving Slott all the free reign he wants. He's Avengers caliber. He's already on the damn team. And he's taking him off for some reason. That makes little sense.

Is it still possible that Wonder Man is a Skrull? I know he was a big candidate before SI started. And we never really saw what happened to the 70s Wonder Man in the Savage Land, there was just a single panel of the two of them fighting.

So, crazy theory: the Wonder Man on the ship was a real hero, the only real one in the bunch, and he was knocked out/killed by the Wonder Man Skrull (who's on the MA team) in the Savage Land. Hence why Wonder Man would be "off" the team after SI.

Though that's probably wrong.

[supermarvelman]

Im hoping that if he's not on Mighty Avengers than he might be moving over to The Initiative.

[supermarvelman]

Is it still possible that Wonder Man is a Skrull? I know he was a big candidate before SI started. And we never really saw what happened to the 70s Wonder Man in the Savage Land, there was just a single panel of the two of them fighting.

So, crazy theory: the Wonder Man on the ship was a real hero, the only real one in the bunch, and he was knocked out/killed by the Wonder Man Skrull (who's on the MA team) in the Savage Land. Hence why Wonder Man would be "off" the team after SI.

Though that's probably wrong.

Im pretty sure when Reed blasted everybody with the Skrull-Gun, I saw 70's WonderMans skin turn green. The current WonderMan was in the "Who do you trust" One-Shot with Skrull-Beast and he got seperated from everybody else.

I think Wasp is a sleeper-skrull, she doesn't even know she's a skrull.

[Dread]

Reed and Sue were stuck in a bad run on the Avengers. I won't blame them for that, but Reed and Sue aren't exactly the ones who would fit in an All-Star Avengers. As for Ben.... he got a tease in the West Coast Avengers and for the 4 or so issues he was there, he was fun.

If any of the characters can survive outside of the FF, it's Ben. He's got solo power after his two in one and solo mags. I would love to see him regularly in Avengers.

Johnny might fit too if they keep Spider-man. Could be real fun reading "I'm with Stupid" type scenes with Slott on the mag.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

Thing's arguably one of the most fleshed characters in the Marvel Universe. He's survived on his own a few times. That said, I don't know, him as an Avenger feels weird. Given the choice, I'd rather Colossus. He needs it more.

A Human Torch/Spidey dynamic on a team would be good, but Spidey is likely staying on NEW AVENGERS. Granted, I always thought if Spidey was going to join any team, it would have been the Fantastic Four, since he consistently interacted with them for most of his history and through many crises, but whatever, Joe Q wanted him on Avengers to boost it, and boost it he did (even if he has done very little as an Avenger).

I agree that it's rather dumb that they're getting rid of Wonder Man.

Slott goes off saying how he'd rather not focus the team on characters like Spider-Man, Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk because they have their own books thus limiting what he can do to them such as marrying them, killing them, giving them a major problem, giving them a kid, etc. because those type of things will occur in their own books.

But here we have Wonder Man, someone who doesn't have his own book giving Slott all the free reign he wants. He's Avengers caliber. He's already on the damn team. And he's taking him off for some reason. That makes little sense.

It does seem a bit strange; I wonder if that means there are editorial plans for Wonder Man in another book, or he could possibly bite it during SECRET INVASION?

[CaptainCanada]

Beast's been a humorless bore for years now; it'd have been cool to have him kick back with the Avengers again.
He's written with a sense of humour in the X-books, just an appropriate one; dry, not the buffoon the Avengers books always make him.

[Dread]

He's written with a sense of humour in the X-books, just an appropriate one; dry, not the buffoon the Avengers books always make him.

The dry humor's been a bit recent. Certainly there's a middle-ground between that and buffoon.

[JewishHobbit]

I actually don't mind Wonder-Man's leaving, as I don't give a lick about the character, then again, I know nothing about Jacosta, so she's not exactly an exciting replacement for me. Also, couldn't Wonder-Man just bein Ms. Marvel's book after SI? He seems better there anyhow.

And I love the idea of Thing or Colossus being in the book. I think I'm 50/50 on which one I'd prefer, though if Colossus does join, I'd rather him be off the X-Books, but that's just my opinion. The same with Beast if he were to join. However, since it's going to be a very Avengery book... I don't see people with such little Avenger ties joining, so I'm guessing no goes here. Beast would fit, but Slott's already dubbed him as a guest start, not a cast member.

And everyone's guessing Hank Pym is the avenger in the Initiative moving over, but didn't Slott say that it's not who you think? Pym's the obvious choice, so shouldn't that then tell us that he ISN'T moving over? I don't recall exactly what Slott said about if it was an original Avenger or not, but Eric O'Grady as the new Ant-Man could be interesting, as I love the character. And if it isn't an original then Justice would be great. I guess Triathalon was an Avengers and could move over, but i think i heard something about him being elsewhere.

[Dread]

I actually don't mind Wonder-Man's leaving, as I don't give a lick about the character, then again, I know nothing about Jacosta, so she's not exactly an exciting replacement for me. Also, couldn't Wonder-Man just bein Ms. Marvel's book after SI? He seems better there anyhow.

MS. MARVEL was dead in the water before SI boosted sales and who knows how long it will last without it?

Jocasta is basically a female robot that Ultron made, with Wasp's brain patterns. In a way, she would have fit in better with Bendis' MA arc instead of "Lady Ultrona", but that would have required Bendis reading a story he didn't write to keep things straight, so he balked. I always thought she got a bit of a bum rap (the Avengers never made her a full member for long no matter what she did for them) and her original design isn't bad.

And I love the idea of Thing or Colossus being in the book. I think I'm 50/50 on which one I'd prefer, though if Colossus does join, I'd rather him be off the X-Books, but that's just my opinion. The same with Beast if he were to join. However, since it's going to be a very Avengery book... I don't see people with such little Avenger ties joining, so I'm guessing no goes here. Beast would fit, but Slott's already dubbed him as a guest start, not a cast member.

Oh, I was just wish-listing with Colossus. He has exactly 1 out of a billion odds of landing anywhere outside the X-Universe for very long. I just thought if any tanker needed exposure in a new team book that they aren't known for being in, it's Piotr. No one knows what to do with him at the X-Men, and no one has known for a good long time.

I can't wait to see his roster. :)

And everyone's guessing Hank Pym is the avenger in the Initiative moving over, but didn't Slott say that it's not who you think? Pym's the obvious choice, so shouldn't that then tell us that he ISN'T moving over? I don't recall exactly what Slott said about if it was an original Avenger or not, but Eric O'Grady as the new Ant-Man could be interesting, as I love the character. And if it isn't an original then Justice would be great. I guess Triathalon was an Avengers and could move over, but i think i heard something about him being elsewhere.

Slott seems to be the only one who seems to care about Pym and could be in a position to return him to form. The guy is a founding Avenger, after all.

Eric could be fun. Triathlon is 3-D Man now but he may stay with the Skrull Kill Krew a bit. Justice may or may not be staying with Counter-Force, although I wouldn't mind him as an Avenger again.

[AndThePickles]

MS. MARVEL was dead in the water before SI boosted sales and who knows how long it will last without it?


Which is very saddening, because I love that book :csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

You know what you can pick up if Ms. Marvel tanks?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/76374-147532-spider-woman_large.jpg

[AndThePickles]

You know what you can pick up if Ms. Marvel tanks?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/76374-147532-spider-woman_large.jpg

I'm gonna kill you :cmad:

[hippie_hunter]

You know what you can pick up if Ms. Marvel tanks?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/76374-147532-spider-woman_large.jpg

Pass. Bendis may be a good writer, but I find Spider-Woman to be such an uninteresting character. And the possibility of Abagail Brand being Spider-Woman is stupid as hell.

[AndThePickles]

Spider Woman is one of my least favorite characters of all time. Snore-city.

[hippie_hunter]

Is it just me or is anyone sick of Marvel shoving stupid characters like Spider-Woman and the Sentry for no apparent reason down our throats?

[Colossal Spoons]

In her defense, she's been a Skrull for as long as she's been boring/annoying/whatever so a solo book about the real spider-woman might be good.

I'm just playing devil's advocate though, I'm not a fan of hers but I'm just sayin :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Pass. Bendis may be a good writer, but I find Spider-Woman to be such an uninteresting character. And the possibility of Abagail Brand being Spider-Woman is stupid as hell.

Wait, what?

[AndThePickles]

In her defense, she's been a Skrull for as long as she's been boring/annoying/whatever so a solo book about the real spider-woman might be good.

I'm just playing devil's advocate though, I'm not a fan of hers but I'm just sayin :o

All she's good for is an annoying storyline and a fat booty :o I hate her so much :cmad:

[Colossal Spoons]

All she's good for is an annoying storyline and a fat booty :o I hate her so much :cmad:

Spider-Woman is to butt cheeks what Ms. Marvel is to boobs :o

[AndThePickles]

Spider-Woman is to butt cheeks what Ms. Marvel is to boobs :o

Nope, 'cause they make Spider Woman's boobs huge as well. Maybe one day they'll kill her off by just having her snap in half like she would in real life :o

[hippie_hunter]

Wait, what?

The solo Spider-Woman book is called Spider-Woman: Agent of S.W.O.R.D. which has led some people to assume that Abigail Brand will be Spider-Woman post-SI.

The mere possibility of it, sounds incredibly stupid.

[Colossal Spoons]

Um yeah, that's d-u-m-b.

[hippie_hunter]

Um yeah, that's d-u-m-b.
Even worse is that since it will be dealing with S.W.O.R.D. that means that Bendis will continue writing stuff that is not his specialty, writing street level characters like Spider-Man, Luke Cage, and Daredevil.

Seriously, Bendis' talents would be put to much better use and are much better deserving on a book like a Luke Cage ongoing or the Punisher. Not Spider-Woman fighting aliens. Traditional superhero comics are not Bendis' strongest forte..

[Colossal Spoons]

You know what, Bendis on Punisher War Journal would be awesome. I still read that book and hate myself a little bit afterwards,

[supermarvelman]

3-D besides is part of the Kill Crew, but he is officially assigned to the Hawaii Point Men as the team leader. If the initiative stays in tact than I don't see why he would be on mighty avengers.

[random_havoc]

I'm dropping both MA and NA. I have every issue of each and every incentive variant they put out of NA, but I'm sick of the fact that NA hasn't had its own storyline for I don't know how long. It's only being used to setup, backup or as filler for whatever 'event' marvel wants to get people reading.
I'm generally a completionist but I give up at this point.

[supermarvelman]

dude if you have hung in this long, you should hang around a little longer. I'm not sure if you read the initiative but Slott really knows how to right team books with a variety of characters. I promise that you won't be disappointed.

[Vanguard07]

... wait is Dan Slot taking over on MA or something?

[supermarvelman]

Yea.

[THANOSRULES]

I'm dropping both MA and NA. I have every issue of each and every incentive variant they put out of NA, but I'm sick of the fact that NA hasn't had its own storyline for I don't know how long. It's only being used to setup, backup or as filler for whatever 'event' marvel wants to get people reading.
I'm generally a completionist but I give up at this point.


If you stop buying MA ..I'll track you down and burn all your back issues of Power Pack....

[JewishHobbit]

Burn all his back issues of Power Pack anyway. And especially if he has any of the new ones. Yuck!

[RockSP]

It'd be cool if they could get a really unexpected X-character on an Avengers team. Like Iceman.

Well Iceman, Angel and Beast are the X-men who don't seem to have a problem leaving the nest. Defenders, Champions, Avengers...

[Dread]

Pass. Bendis may be a good writer, but I find Spider-Woman to be such an uninteresting character. And the possibility of Abagail Brand being Spider-Woman is stupid as hell.

I have to admit I have a sort spot for Julia Carpenter, and I did like the original Spider-Woman. But Bendis has both revived her and made her a bit of a garbled mess.

I do agree that making Brand a new one would be stupid. Why her? If anything, she and SWORD should be popping up in space books.

Is it just me or is anyone sick of Marvel shoving stupid characters like Spider-Woman and the Sentry for no apparent reason down our throats?

Marvel or Bendis?

It isn't bad when a character is introduced in an organic and interesting way, and not oversold like a Mary Sue.

In her defense, she's been a Skrull for as long as she's been boring/annoying/whatever so a solo book about the real spider-woman might be good.

I'm just playing devil's advocate though, I'm not a fan of hers but I'm just sayin :o

No, she's been a Skrull since about 2006 or whenever it was that Bendis got the idea in his head. There's no way he planned it back in 2004. Then he just backpedaled and scrapped whatever conspiracy angle he was doing and filled the holes with aliens.

There's an art to writing a story where you can alter things on the fly and then say you always had it planned. I know. I run RPG's and that sort of thing is par for the course to stay ahead of players. But I don't deny what I am doing.

Even worse is that since it will be dealing with S.W.O.R.D. that means that Bendis will continue writing stuff that is not his specialty, writing street level characters like Spider-Man, Luke Cage, and Daredevil.

Seriously, Bendis' talents would be put to much better use and are much better deserving on a book like a Luke Cage ongoing or the Punisher. Not Spider-Woman fighting aliens. Traditional superhero comics are not Bendis' strongest forte..

Hardly. He's good for gritty urban noir (virtually all his pre-USM work) or stories about emasculated whiney men (USM, which once wasn't bad). His strength is solo stories with single characters, not teams, space, aliens, or superheroes. Unfortunately, Marvel buys into the fallacy that any writer can write any genre or sub genre, and they're wrong. DC does the same thing too, and so does Hollywood.

Well Iceman, Angel and Beast are the X-men who don't seem to have a problem leaving the nest. Defenders, Champions, Avengers...

Not to mention that Professor X was an ally to the Defenders, Havok & Polaris were "Defenders for a Day" and Colossus briefly was on the "Last Defenders". Storm was a member of the Fantastic Four for about a year as well (alongside "husband by destiny" Black Panther).

[deemar325]

I see Dread is still going strong

Dan Slott on Mighty yes

[Dread]

I see Dread is still going strong

Dan Slott on Mighty yes

Indeed I am. It's been a while, deemar325.

And I agree, Dan Slott on MIGHTY AVENGERS is a good move, even if it means him off AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE (which he launched and co-wrote for, gosh, almost 2 years before he leaves). But, Christos Gage has been co-writing for a while now (especially if you count the first annual), and that book should be fine with Gage. He's impressed me since that Cap/Iron Man CW one-shot that actually had story references and clear arguments. It even got me to eventually buy his UNION JACK trade from a few years back, which was excellent.

But, yeah, we're all reacting well to Slott on MA and wondering what his roster on that book will be. He's promised it will be "Avengery", but it will likely see a roster shift after SECRET INVASION and due to DARK AVENGERS from Bendis next up. Iron Man may be out, Wonder Man is definitely out, and Thor may be in. Slott likes mixing in big names with lessor names in his books, so some transfers from A:TI may make sense. Considering he used to write She-Hulk and Thing, some of us are wondering if either may join the team; She-Hulk has been an Avenger for long stretches of time, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch. True, she is supposed to be in Kyle Hammond's Defenders in New Jersey, but LAST DEFENDERS sold very, very poorly and I doubt Marvel's editors would allow that to pigeon hole her for long. I mean, Darkhawk was supposed to be in CA in THE LONERS from '07, yet here he is in NOVA in Upstate NY as part of PROJECT PEGASUS.

[random_havoc]

I agree slott did some excellent work on the initiative, but the problem is it doesn't matter how good the writer is when all of the avengers storylines are just segways into the next big 'event'.
I'm tired of that crap and I don't see marvel letting him do an uninterrupted storyline for more than a couple months.
Thoughts?

[Anubis]

Well then you're gonna be regulated to very few comics if you're trying to avoid events. That's the status quo these days. The good thing is, the best books usually don't have much to do with the events anyway.

[kguillou]

I agree that traditional superhero stories aren't Bendis' forte, however he does pull it off very well on occasion: New Avengers: Illuminati, the Civil War Confession one shot, actually pretty much anything with Alex Maleev, him and Maleev are like the new age Loeb and Sale.

[moraldeficiency]

I agree slott did some excellent work on the initiative, but the problem is it doesn't matter how good the writer is when all of the avengers storylines are just segways into the next big 'event'.
I'm tired of that crap and I don't see marvel letting him do an uninterrupted storyline for more than a couple months.
Thoughts?

I don't know about that. Since AtI started they've had WWH and SI and so far Slott's used both events to actually further his characters and team. I think the right writer can use almost any "event" to their benefit.

[Dread]

I agree slott did some excellent work on the initiative, but the problem is it doesn't matter how good the writer is when all of the avengers storylines are just segways into the next big 'event'.
I'm tired of that crap and I don't see marvel letting him do an uninterrupted storyline for more than a couple months.
Thoughts?

Frankly, NEW AVENGERS is more of a segway into an event and so may be DARK AVENGERS, or any 616 title that Bendis writes for that matter. He is the writer to watch for lead-ups to events.

On the other hand, if this means that Dan Slott could eventually get a hand in co-writing or outright writing & planning an event, and decides to use MIGHTY AVENGERS for that, that would interest me. I would be curious to see how he does in that domain. He likes outright heroes & villains and respects character histories, interactions, and shared pasts. It may of course still be possible that Slott could botch an event story, but I would like to see him given the chance. If MA is the step to that, why not? He's on ASM, which is still considered an A-List book. He is attending the "creator summits" that are held annually and if anything already has a voice heard in event creating sessions.

Remember, Greg Pak was able to amp INCREDIBLE HULK, although it was hardly a Top 5 book, during PLANET HULK, which interested the editors enough to allow him to write an event despite the fact that he once was writing drivel like MARVEL NEMESIS: THE IMPERFECTS (and while WWH was itself imperfect, and had characters job to Hulk, it wasn't a completely terrible story and at least had something of a clear ending, and classic John Romita Jr. art). Again, if Slott is now on a similar track, I say let's see what he delivers and judge that.

While admittedly I haven't touched his ASM due to OMD/BND, the worst thing I've ever read from Slott was his JLA CLASSIFIED arc, and that wasn't bad, just a bit generic. And even that was a perfectly readable JLA one shot tale. It just wasn't anything that stuck with me like SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH, GLA, or THE THING.

AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE has been a good window, I think, of Slott on a mainstream team book that has to tow the company line while still giving him freedom with rosters and even new characters (which Slott creates constantly, even in SHE-HULK or one or two "random" villains in THE THING). While A:TI has admittedly had Slott writing in "grim" story elements and stuff that he himself mocked in GLA as themselves cliche and predictable, I've enjoyed it. It may not always have the same ernest heart as some of his prior stories and feels more like a "franchise" product, but I feel Slott still does that better and more imaginatively than other writers who do that. Even in the midst of a grim alien invasion story with betrayals and murders, A:TI has time every issue for at least something fun or genuine. Not every book can claim that. If Slott brings that to MIGHTY AVENGERS and that segues into an event, I'd be interested in seeing that. I'm not saying Slott can't fail, but I would like to see him step up to the plate here.

The last few events have been Bendis, Millar, Pak, Bendis. We're due another writer before Bendis for a third time (it is inevitable that Bendis will write a third event).

From the first time I read some of Slott's Marvel works, I always griped about wanting him to get a shot at bigger league books and bigger stories. Now he is, and I want to see how far he can go, and how well he does when he gets there. Hell, if Marvel was willing to roll the dice with the PHEONIX: WARSONG dude, they at least can set up the guy behind I'M WITH STUPID (seriously, that Spidey/Torch story is full of heart. It's out in digest but it's worth hunting in back issue bins for full size, you'll thank me later). ;)

[moraldeficiency]

Frankly, NEW AVENGERS is more of a segway into an event and so may be DARK AVENGERS, or any 616 title that Bendis writes for that matter. He is the writer to watch for lead-ups to events.

On the other hand, if this means that Dan Slott could eventually get a hand in co-writing or outright writing & planning an event, and decides to use MIGHTY AVENGERS for that, that would interest me. I would be curious to see how he does in that domain. He likes outright heroes & villains and respects character histories, interactions, and shared pasts. It may of course still be possible that Slott could botch an event story, but I would like to see him given the chance. If MA is the step to that, why not? He's on ASM, which is still considered an A-List book. He is attending the "creator summits" that are held annually and if anything already has a voice heard in event creating sessions.

Remember, Greg Pak was able to amp INCREDIBLE HULK, although it was hardly a Top 5 book, during PLANET HULK, which interested the editors enough to allow him to write an event despite the fact that he once was writing drivel like MARVEL NEMESIS: THE IMPERFECTS (and while WWH was itself imperfect, and had characters job to Hulk, it wasn't a completely terrible story and at least had something of a clear ending, and classic John Romita Jr. art). Again, if Slott is now on a similar track, I say let's see what he delivers and judge that.

While admittedly I haven't touched his ASM due to OMD/BND, the worst thing I've ever read from Slott was his JLA CLASSIFIED arc, and that wasn't bad, just a bit generic. And even that was a perfectly readable JLA one shot tale. It just wasn't anything that stuck with me like SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH, GLA, or THE THING.

AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE has been a good window, I think, of Slott on a mainstream team book that has to tow the company line while still giving him freedom with rosters and even new characters (which Slott creates constantly, even in SHE-HULK or one or two "random" villains in THE THING). While A:TI has admittedly had Slott writing in "grim" story elements and stuff that he himself mocked in GLA as themselves cliche and predictable, I've enjoyed it. It may not always have the same ernest heart as some of his prior stories and feels more like a "franchise" product, but I feel Slott still does that better and more imaginatively than other writers who do that. Even in the midst of a grim alien invasion story with betrayals and murders, A:TI has time every issue for at least something fun or genuine. Not every book can claim that. If Slott brings that to MIGHTY AVENGERS and that segues into an event, I'd be interested in seeing that. I'm not saying Slott can't fail, but I would like to see him step up to the plate here.

The last few events have been Bendis, Millar, Pak, Bendis. We're due another writer before Bendis for a third time (it is inevitable that Bendis will write a third event).

From the first time I read some of Slott's Marvel works, I always griped about wanting him to get a shot at bigger league books and bigger stories. Now he is, and I want to see how far he can go, and how well he does when he gets there. Hell, if Marvel was willing to roll the dice with the PHEONIX: WARSONG dude, they at least can set up the guy behind I'M WITH STUPID (seriously, that Spidey/Torch story is full of heart. It's out in digest but it's worth hunting in back issue bins for full size, you'll thank me later). ;)


Arkham Asylum: Living Hell was also amazing. I think that was his best DC work by far.

[Dread]

Arkham Asylum: Living Hell was also amazing. I think that was his best DC work by far.

I should track that down sometime.

[moraldeficiency]

I should track that down sometime.

You haven't read that? Damn I wouldn't have expected that from you. It's worth tracking down. A really well crafted storyline, plus some of it's plot points and characters are going to be in that kick ass batman video game coming out soon.

[Anubis]

Yeah, it was pretty good.

[Varient]

... wait is Dan Slot taking over on MA or something?

Yea.Yea and Verily!


I see Dread is still going strong

Dan Slott on Mighty yes

Indeed I am. It's been a while, deemar325.

And I agree, Dan Slott on MIGHTY AVENGERS is a good move, even if it means him off AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE (which he launched and co-wrote for, gosh, almost 2 years before he leaves). But, Christos Gage has been co-writing for a while now (especially if you count the first annual), and that book should be fine with Gage. He's impressed me since that Cap/Iron Man CW one-shot that actually had story references and clear arguments. It even got me to eventually buy his UNION JACK trade from a few years back, which was excellent.

But, yeah, we're all reacting well to Slott on MA and wondering what his roster on that book will be. He's promised it will be "Avengery", but it will likely see a roster shift after SECRET INVASION and due to DARK AVENGERS from Bendis next up. Iron Man may be out, Wonder Man is definitely out, and Thor may be in. Slott likes mixing in big names with lessor names in his books, so some transfers from A:TI may make sense. Considering he used to write She-Hulk and Thing, some of us are wondering if either may join the team; She-Hulk has been an Avenger for long stretches of time, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch. True, she is supposed to be in Kyle Hammond's Defenders in New Jersey, but LAST DEFENDERS sold very, very poorly and I doubt Marvel's editors would allow that to pigeon hole her for long. I mean, Darkhawk was supposed to be in CA in THE LONERS from '07, yet here he is in NOVA in Upstate NY as part of PROJECT PEGASUS.
*Comment*
It is a good thing that you can point out NO ONE having an issue with Slott writing for individuals and groups,... And no matter what book they put him on,... nobody complains - or based on his previous work, People are willing to wait and see.


I am curious as to what he will be allowed to do with Mighty Avengers,...
(key word - "Allowed")

Having been blindsided with the realization that writers can have their ideas trashed or deconstructed by the plans of the senior who has a view of how he wants things to be, (Do I really have to list examples?) , I'm hoping that Dan is being put into place to reintergrate the three Avengers teams into one,..





And hopefully do a few GLA one shots when he gets bored.

V.

[JewishHobbit]

Yeah, I'll need to read Arkham Asylum too sometime now that I'm reading more DC again.

[Franklin Richards]

I just want this setup.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/waspBig3.jpg

Memories. Like the corners of my mind. Misty water colored memories.


Of the way we were.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Anubis]

Gang bang!!!!!!