The Official Mighty Avengers Thread

[Mr. Green]

Yeah, he definitely set the bar pretty high but we'll just have to wait and see. I think Bendis is good for the darker kind of stuff. I look forward to it though.

[MightyAvenge]

When does Dark Avengers come out?

[kguillou]

It comes out this week the same day as Mighty Avengers. I gotta admit, even though i kinda need a break from Bendis, i just cannot resist Deadato's artwork, it looks sinister! lol I'll give the first issue a shot and see how it is, but i'm psyched about Slott's MA.

[MightyAvenge]

Fu_k yea!!!

[The_Vision]

He claimed he wanted her to call him that when he proclaimed his love for Stature in YOUNG AVENGERS PRESENTS #4.

Ahh right thanks :up:

[MightyAvenge]

So what do you guys think Wanda is up too, after looking at the preview pages? Also will Quiksilver show up at some point? With his daughter and half-sister in space and his sister in MA, Quiksilver should be making an appearance somewhere in the next couple months or atleast sometime this year.

[cerealkiller182]

Quicksilver is on the March solicit

[TheCorpulent1]

"Jonas" is the new Vision's "Victor Shade." I wonder if Kang's real name is Jonas or something similar, or if the name just came out of a vacuum.

[Colossal Spoons]

I thought it was a random pick

[RockSP]

He's a big fan of those Brothers.

[TheCorpulent1]

That was my first thought as well. I bet he picked it because Cassie :heart:'s them.

[CaptainCanada]

"Jonas" is the new Vision's "Victor Shade." I wonder if Kang's real name is Jonas or something similar, or if the name just came out of a vacuum.
Kang's real name is Nathaniel Richards.

[chamber-music]

So what do you guys think Wanda is up too, after looking at the preview pages? Also will Quiksilver show up at some point? With his daughter and half-sister in space and his sister in MA, Quiksilver should be making an appearance somewhere in the next couple months or atleast sometime this year.

Quicksilver needs to go to space and kill the Vulcan, none of the Summers family seem to be able to do it and it would win his some favour with Crystal.

[TheCorpulent1]

Kang's real name is Nathaniel Richards.
Hasn't it been retconned so he's some unknown future descendant of both the Richards and Von Doom lines?

[Colossal Spoons]

That was my first thought as well. I bet he picked it because Cassie :heart:'s them.

I really hope Slott kills her off :o

[Franklin Richards]

Hasn't it been retconned so he's some unknown future descendant of both the Richards and Von Doom lines?

It's still a mystery.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[TheCorpulent1]

That's what I thought. Kang could be Jonas Franklin Von Doomchards, for all we know.

[Colossal Spoons]

Great 1st issue of the "new" book. I'm not yet sold on Hank leading a team but we'll see :up:

[Spider-Jay420]

Neither am I, especially with his insecurities. But what about US Agent? Would he not lead just as well as Cap?

and I'm glad Wanda is back. If anyone can fix her, it's Slott. She appears to be a force of good, so far.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahahaha, no, US Agent isn't quite the leader Cap is. He's actually a pretty crappy leader, at least by Avengers standards.

[Spider-Jay420]

Is that why he got shipped off to Canada?

[TheCorpulent1]

Probably part of it. He's a good soldier, just not a great leader.

[Colossal Spoons]

He's kind of a douche too,

All the insecurities Hank has about leading, Herc has x12 b/c he has led men into battle and lost tons of friends/soldiers.

[bryanss3]

I'm a little confused by the ending can anyone explain this
I'm not familiar really with Modred or Chthon, but I know Quicksilver is alive so what exactly is happening on the last page of this comic?

[Mr. Green]

He's kind of a douche too,

All the insecurities Hank has about leading, Herc has x12 b/c he has led men into battle and lost tons of friends/soldiers.
Doesn't that just mean he's a million times better at leading than Hank?

[Colossal Spoons]

Idk, when Herc led men into battle, it was assumed that not everybody would be coming home. 2009 comic book battles usually result in the heroes winning and returning home w/ a few scratches. Maybe a broken arm.

[Galact-Gal]

I'm a little confused by the ending can anyone explain this
I'm not familiar really with Modred or Chthon, but I know Quicksilver is alive so what exactly is happening on the last page of this comic?


It appears that Quicksilver has been posessed by Chthon, who is an Elder God and a spirit of Chaos.

Interestingly, there was a storyline in AVENGERS, back in the 80s, where Pietro & Wanda went back to Transia trying to find out about their real parents. (I believe that's when Bova was first introduced.) During the course of the story Wanda was temporarily posessed by Chthon. It was revealed that when she was born (on Mount Wundagore), he embued her with chaos magic so that she would become a suitable vessel in which he could manifest himself on Earth again. Of course, we know now that there's no such thing as chaos magic; so--gee--I wonder what he did to her instead?

I'm actually kind of surprised that Bova is still alive. I mean, she seemed to be an adult when the twins were born, but she doesn't exactly seem decrepit in this appearance. I wonder what the natural lifespan of a cow-woman is? :yay:

[bryanss3]

thank you Galact-Gal

[Dread]

It appears that Quicksilver has been posessed by Chthon, who is an Elder God and a spirit of Chaos.

Interestingly, there was a storyline in AVENGERS, back in the 80s, where Pietro & Wanda went back to Transia trying to find out about their real parents. (I believe that's when Bova was first introduced.) During the course of the story Wanda was temporarily posessed by Chthon. It was revealed that when she was born (on Mount Wundagore), he embued her with chaos magic so that she would become a suitable vessel in which he could manifest himself on Earth again. Of course, we know now that there's no such thing as chaos magic; so--gee--I wonder what he did to her instead?

I'm actually kind of surprised that Bova is still alive. I mean, she seemed to be an adult when the twins were born, but she doesn't exactly seem decrepit in this appearance. I wonder what the natural lifespan of a cow-woman is? :yay:

To add to this, Modred has served Chthon since the 6th century. He was a mage who sought to be Merlin's apprentice and successor. When Chthon threatened the life of his love, Janice, he sold his soul to the demon to save her. He ended up placed into suspended animation until present day. He was freed after a chance encounter with some strangers and after trying to set his own path, fell under the sway of Chthon once more, in the Avengers tale you mentioned. Modred was reduced to the mental state of a child and Bova cared for him for quite some time. I was surprised at Slott's knowledge.

Also, in the adventure you noted, Modred tricked Wanda into arriving at Mount Wundagore, and noted that her birth there made her connected enough to the demon that he could use her body. Obviously, that means Quicksilver would share that connection. The Avengers managed to banish him and save Wanda. It was also the adventure where Wanda's adopted father died.

Modred tried to reclaim his lost soul and rebel against Chthon a few times, most notably in the 90's alongside the Darkhold Redeemers (the Darkhold is a book of evil magic whose original tome Chthon created; it has also been copied a few times into other tomes), but his behavior was always erratic and Cthon always reclaims his influence at the end. Dr. Strange seemingly depowered Modred some time ago, but apparently he's gotten his groove back.

As for Chaos Magic, so many stories have referred to it existing that I think any smart editor would reject that detail as some fluke or Wanda reality warp effect on Strange's brain. Much as Greg Pak had to try to clear up the stuff about Hulk killing people.

[Colossal Spoons]

Props to Slott for assembling a team and establishing a villain in the very first issue

[bryanss3]

yeah the way the covers were I thought it would take 3 whole issues. when do you guys think Stark is gonna show up probably next issue and Pym won't know what to do.

[cerealkiller182]

I hate when people hate on Bendis, only because they act like they are the only one hating Bendis and they need to save everyone from him.

But Slott has literally accomplished more in one issue than Bendis had in 20

[Colossal Spoons]

I really don't wanna feel bad for Tony but I do. Poor guy even lost his Extremis tech :(

[samurai black]

I really don't wanna feel bad for Tony but I do. Poor guy even lost his Extremis tech :(

The road to redemption is a bumpy one. The extremis made him a demi-god, now he's been dragged down a few notches. Should be even keel with Pym now, making it easier for Pym to lead.

[Colossal Spoons]

It's def gonna humble the crap outta him, which is good :up:

[Anubis]

Hope he's not all overly mopey though. He should bang Wanda. Nothing gets ya mind right like some psycho strange.

[samurai black]

hope he's not all overly mopey though. He should bang wanda. Nothing gets ya mind right like some psycho strange.

ha!!!!

[samurai black]

Props to Slott for assembling a team and establishing a villain in the very first issue

Props for the assembly, loved the emergence of Pym as a leader (the Cho quote was hilarious)but too many unanswered questions. why is there a Dark Reign tag on this book? I thought this team was going to be assembled bc of Osborn or the Dark Avengers. Instead we get some hellish demon not even associated with either. I like the team, although I seriously doubt you can have Hulk, Herc and Cho on the same team for long (I see Herc and Cho bowing out 1st). Also, is it publicly known that Wanda almost exterminated the mutant race? And I know I'm not the only one asking for this, CAN WE PLEASE GET WWHulk back? We've been spoiled by an intelligent Hulk for almost a year now. BRING HIM BACK!!

[Anubis]

You're not getting an intelligent Hulk for the foreseeable future. That's just the way it goes. Maybe in another two or three years. And I suspect that with this Cathon guy showing up, Slott may just blame the whole thing on that douche bag, so you know, wasn't really her fault. She was the gun, not the finger on the trigger. Thereby fixing Bendis' original f**k up. This may be a nice new dynamic for the Avengers. Bendis messes it up, Slott fixes it. Brilliant!

[samurai black]

And I suspect that with this Cathon guy showing up, Slott may just blame the whole thing on that douche bag, so you know, wasn't really her fault. She was the gun, not the finger on the trigger. Thereby fixing Bendis' original f**k up.

..... I didn't even see that coming, buuuut it makes so much sense it's scary. and voila, we have a redeemed Scarlet Witch, fit for active duty. And still one of the most powerful beings on the planet.

[Vanguard07]

I just wonder whether it's going to address the state of the other teams that they showed in that issue. They kinda left things in a pretty bad state for the NA and Omega Flight.

BTW: Way to go Slott for being aware of Omega Flight's existence. Ya gotta love a writer who actually reads the comics of not just his own title's past but also even the semi obscure random other titles out there.

[Colossal Spoons]

You're not getting an intelligent Hulk for the foreseeable future. That's just the way it goes. Maybe in another two or three years. And I suspect that with this Cathon guy showing up, Slott may just blame the whole thing on that douche bag, so you know, wasn't really her fault. She was the gun, not the finger on the trigger. Thereby fixing Bendis' original f**k up. This may be a nice new dynamic for the Avengers. Bendis messes it up, Slott fixes it. Brilliant!

Screw that! She knew what she was doing and deserves to pay :cmad:

[chris moore]

Slott really does have a talent for explaining past events with incredible believeability and bringing old matters into the present without retconning them.

Hanks fundamental reason for never believing in himself and developing an inferiority complex that resulted in the creation of Ultron, his alternate personas etc was genius. So simple and yet it could fit into the written continuity without any events needing to be rethought or ignored.

And the whole premise of the villain works too - it furthers the explanations of M-Day and disassembled and makes them fit nicely with what's gone before. Wanda was shown to be in Transia after M-Day when Clint found her and Beast came looking but didnt tell her who she really was. Slott has spun events here to maybe suggest that when she unleashed such a massive amount of cosmic energy to alter mutantkind across multiple universes, it could well have weakened the dimensional barrier behind which Chthon has been hiding from Atum on and off (as was his original reason for leaving the Earthly plane) enough for his influence to seep back through and nudge Wanda (a focal point or channel for his energy on Earth) to return to Transia and to reempower Modred so that his most faithful servant can bind all Chthon wrote to a human form (originally intended to be Wanda, but genetically Pietro will do just fine).

And Hank's new gadgets? Freakin brilliant!

[Colossal Spoons]

I still think any Wanda/M-Day explanation should have happened in an X-book. She may have killed a handful of Avengers at first, but she killed way more mutants by the end.

[Anubis]

Screw that! She knew what she was doing and deserves to pay :cmad:

Man you need to leave those roids alone. This misplaced anger is unbecoming. :o

[ShadowBoxing]

I wonder if they will downplay the Hulk's strength in this book, considering he can pretty much beat everyone else on the team blindfolded....with one arm tied behind his back...


........HULK TURN OFF LIGHT!!!

[Colossal Spoons]

Man you need to leave those roids alone. This misplaced anger is unbecoming. :o

Ha, Wanda has to be the one character I dislike the most in comics. Nothing short of somebody completely possessing her mind would get her off the hook w/ me.

[Colossal Spoons]

I wonder if they will downplay the Hulk's strength in this book, considering he can pretty much beat everyone else on the team blindfolded....with one arm tied behind his back...


........HULK TURN OFF LIGHT!!!

No respect for the Prince of Powah!?

[ShadowBoxing]

Ha, Wanda has to be the one character I dislike the most in comics. Nothing short of somebody completely possessing her mind would get her off the hook w/ me.
She has completely ill-thought out powers. I remember back in the sixties she basically caused "bad luck", so she'd do stuff like make Beast think his legs were silly putty and cause Cyclops to hit something he did not want to. Now it's like "unmake all reality!!!!" then she'll have energy projection whatchamacallits and weird "hex powers" and none of it makes any f---in' sense:huh: Choose a god damn power woman!

[bryanss3]

Jeez you guys seem to hate Wanda:(

she doesn't just use a mutant power she also uses magic

[Colossal Spoons]

She has completely ill-thought out powers. I remember back in the sixties she basically caused "bad luck", so she'd do stuff like make Beast think his legs were silly putty and cause Cyclops to hit something he did not want to. Now it's like "unmake all reality!!!!" then she'll have energy projection whatchamacallits and weird "hex powers" and none of it makes any f---in' sense:huh: Choose a god damn power woman!

Even though the solicits made it sound like The Hood was next in line to be Sorcerer Supreme, I could see her getting that title. Why not? She can do everything else :o

[chris moore]

I can buy that her mutant powers were to consciously manipulate 'bad luck' (as opposed to Longshot and Domino who subconsciously affect their own luck) by focussing on a particular thing. But then the events with Chthon altered them in order to prepare her to be the vessel for the master of chaos and black magic such that they became the ability to manipulate anything to effect the outcome she desired - in essence an extension of her localised ability to affect single outcomes in an unpredictable way. Psychological trauma caused her to lose control over those abilities, resulting in the full manifestation of the chaos force

[bryanss3]

double post

[bryanss3]

I think it'll either be Wanda or Magik for Sorcerer Supreme depending how X-Infernus Ends. I think the Hood is just on the cover cause thats who Strange will be fighting in that issue. I honestly don't see then making a sorcerer supreme who carries 2 pistols where ever he goes. He's at least upgrade to 2 AKs or something before he can get that title.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Hood doesn't technically have to do anything to be Sorcerer Supreme. Dormammu can do all the heavy lifting.
Even though the solicits made it sound like The Hood was next in line to be Sorcerer Supreme, I could see her getting that title. Why not? She can do everything else :o
Nah, it's the Hood. He's on the cover of the one-shot that covers it, after all.

[bryanss3]

what one shot he's on the cover of New Avengers 52

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, maybe it was that. I don't know, I just saw it in the solicitations and glossed over it because it was Bendis.

[Galact-Gal]

Y'know, when Tony said, "I hate magic!", it gave me a nice warm flashback to Busiek/Perez Avengers. :yay:


And can somebody tell me why Jocasta is hanging around with Hank Pym? (If it was explained in an Avengers comic--well, I haven't been reading Avengers comics for the past few years. :woot:)

[MightyAvenge]

Hank is basically the reason Jocasta was ever created.

[bryanss3]

Its to make it kinda creepy that Pym hangs out with a robotic version of his dead ex-wife.

[Galact-Gal]

Well, does Jocasta feel sorry for Hank? Or is there a part of Jan's personality in her saying 'somebody has to look after Hank when he's all wrapped up in his science projects'? I mean, she was created to be Ultron's 'wife'; but surely she doesn't feel the need to go traipsing around after that killer robot. :)

[cerealkiller182]

I dont think they have been the specific. But i mean, Hanks lonely and Jocasta is one of his creations and she empathizes

[Colossal Spoons]

The Hood doesn't technically have to do anything to be Sorcerer Supreme. Dormammu can do all the heavy lifting.

Nah, it's the Hood. He's on the cover of the one-shot that covers it, after all.

Here's hoping that cover is like most....misleading.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hank is basically the reason Jocasta was ever created.

You'd think Hank would be hesitant to spend time around any robots after Ultron :whatever:

[TheCorpulent1]

He never had a problem hanging around the Vision, and it's not like Jocasta just magically appeared. She's been around for years and proven herself to be a hero. Hank's got enough neuroses as it is; let's not add robot-phobia to his list.
Well, does Jocasta feel sorry for Hank? Or is there a part of Jan's personality in her saying 'somebody has to look after Hank when he's all wrapped up in his science projects'? I mean, she was created to be Ultron's 'wife'; but surely she doesn't feel the need to go traipsing around after that killer robot. :)
It certainly seems to be implied that Jocasta feels a connection to Hank and doesn't want him to suffer alone. It hasn't been explained in detail, but I personally think Hank sought Jocasta out after learning Jan had died, we get that whole spiel in Avengers: The Initiative where Jocasta literally impersonates Jan to give Hank one last conversation with her, and then Jocasta just sort of stays with him out of sympathy and the aforementioned connection she feels because of Jan's brain engrams floating around in her head.

[CaptainCanada]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19662

Interview with Dan Slott, and including a couple of penciled pages for the next issue (looks like things are off to a good start for the team).

[TheCorpulent1]

It looks like something happens to make Hercules and the Hulk go bats*** insane. That really sucks, given that those two are basically the only ones strong enough to keep each other in line.

[cerealkiller182]

It looks like something happens to make Hercules and the Hulk go bats*** insane. That really sucks, given that those two are basically the only ones strong enough to keep each other in line.

Looks like its Hanks Avengers vs. Wanda Avengers. Cant have a team without some kind of violence to bring them all together:oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't get what you mean. Who are Wanda's Avengers and who are Hank's Avengers? :huh:

[cerealkiller182]

I don't get what you mean. Who are Wanda's Avengers and who are Hank's Avengers? :huh:

There are the people Wanda uprooted and then theres the people who willingly showed up with Hank. That seems to be the divide. USAgent was takling Herc and Hulk looked like he was going after Jocasta. (What is the origin of her name?)

I assumed you were talking about the unfinished pages in the interview link.

Although at second glance, it just looks like the Hulk is pissed as usual and for whatever reason USAgent goes after Herc instead of the Hulk. Bad blood between them?

[RockSP]

He never had a problem hanging around the Vision,

Vision is not a robot!!!!!!!!!:cmad::cmad::cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

"Synthezoid" is just another word for "robot." :oldrazz:
There are the people Wanda uprooted and then theres the people who willingly showed up with Hank. That seems to be the divide. USAgent was takling Herc and Hulk looked like he was going after Jocasta. (What is the origin of her name?)

I assumed you were talking about the unfinished pages in the interview link.
It looked like all of them were trying to subdue the Hulk and Hercules to me. And technically Wanda uprooted Hank, Herc, Jarvis, Jocasta, and Cho as well. I don't know, I could be wrong but it looked more like Herc and the Hulk were somehow turned against the others to me. Not much information to go on either way, though.

[RockSP]

I'm not really feeling the art. Since Cap Brit is canceled maybe whatsisname can take over.

[TheCorpulent1]

Kirk? He'd be cool. I think Pham's interior art has ironically been much better than his work on the covers, though.

[K.B.]

I'm dropping Mighty after this first arc, it was pretty bad imo.

[Dread]

Link to my review:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16318316&postcount=58

Honestly, I loved it. It was more in tune with what I envision the Avengers being than Bendis usually delivers.

As for the sneak peak pencils of issue #22, does anyone really seem surprised that Hulk and Hercules seem more brash? The Hulk is always smashing things for one reason or another, and never liked the Avengers (even if Hank is the only one of the founders here right now, as Iron Man has not arrived yet). And Hercules has been quick to throw punches plenty of times, even in his own series. He just is easier to resolve things with than Hulk.

Besides, it looks as if Herc is fighting U.S. Agent, and for all we know he may be angry at John Walker for either registering to the SHRA and/or somehow "sullying" the name of the dead Steve Rogers by wearing a similar costume (heck, U.S. Agent's default costume is basically the same costume Steve wore as "The Captain"). John has tried to take Steve's place and as recently as NEW INVADERS wanted people to call him "Captain America" even when Rogers was still in the boots. As Clor can attest, Hercules sometimes get riled when jerks wear the costumes of his staunch allies, especially ones that are dead.

Which, of course, makes a showdown with the Dark Avengers in INCREDIBLE HERCULES more interesting. ;)

Anyway, this new team has JUST been assembled, so there is bound to be a few pages of strife. Frankly, the only team leader who managed to get Hulk to work for long on a team was Dr. Strange, even if everyone dismisses the Defenders as a "non-team". For all we know, Pym shrinks everyone down and asks them to behave in later pages. :p

"If you're going to act like children, I'll make you child size!"

[Kevin]

I'm not really feeling the art. Since Cap Brit is canceled maybe whatsisname can take over.
Captain Britain isn't cancelled

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/010923-Captain-Britain.html

[Red Mask]

Hmm. That team is pretty mighty. But what happens to the Young Avengers?

[Upset Spideyfan]

If the team's having problems already, things are going to get really tense when they bump into Tony.

[RockSP]

But what happens to the Young Avengers?

Ask Heinberg.

[Dread]

Hmm. That team is pretty mighty. But what happens to the Young Avengers?

Either the rest wait in Limbo, Heinberg makes an unlikely return to monthly writing or co-writing, or Marvel's editorial department finally moves forward on them while they still have some fanbase left.

[Gamma Goliath]

looks like hulk is an anvenger again, for now at least.
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Mighty avengers 1-3 (21) :
It all starts here! A new roster! One of the team's most powerful foes! And one of the most popular and requested Avengers returns to the fold! When darkness reigns and chaos falls, there's no room for compromise, no time to run and hide. The world needs Earth's Mightiest Heroes! But after the events of Secret Invasion, is Hank Pym ready to rejoin their ranks? And what is the secret that haunts him, a secret dating back to the earliest days of the original team?

Mighty avengers 2-3 (22) : Avengers Assemble! Scarlet Witch! Hank Pym! Hercules! The Vision! Stature! Hulk! Jocasta! U.S. Agent! Iron Man! On the last patch of Earth, they're the only heroes left standing. And the enemy they must defeat... was once one of their own. It's Avenger versus Avenger! And at stake is nothing less than the fabric of reality itself!

Mighty avengers 3-3 (23) : How can the Mighty Avengers save all of reality from one of their greatest foes... when they can't even stop fighting each other? To survive their first trial by fire, lines will be crossed, ideals will be compromised, and not every hero will make the cut. You better read this issue of DARK REIGN, guys. Why? Because this one's going to change the Marvel landscape! Literally!

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Mighty avengers#24 : The SCARLET WITCH is back and her brother wants answers! Join QUICKSILVER as he races around the globe, hunting down the MIGHTY AVENGERS! Plus, what's HANK PYM'S problem with MR. FANTASTIC? And what does NORMAN OSBORN have in store for Earth's Mightiest Heroes? Guest starring QUICKSILVER, and featuring appearances by the YOUNG AVENGERS and the FANTASTIC FOUR.

[JewishHobbit]

You know, I really wasn't much on this issue, but I can see how it could grow on me. I'll like it more if Cho sticks around with Herc, but I'm still iffy on Hulk and Wanda being in it. I don't care a lick about US Agent or Jacosta, and I've never been a big fan of the old Avengers. Honestly, I think I enjoy a typical issue of New Avengers more than I did this. It isn't bad, just wasn't anything spectacular. I figure I'll give the first arc a shot and decide if I'll drop it or not after that.

[Gamma Goliath]

i want hulk to stay a part of the team.
im tired of hulk not being a mainstream hero.

[Dread]

You know, I really wasn't much on this issue, but I can see how it could grow on me. I'll like it more if Cho sticks around with Herc, but I'm still iffy on Hulk and Wanda being in it. I don't care a lick about US Agent or Jacosta, and I've never been a big fan of the old Avengers. Honestly, I think I enjoy a typical issue of New Avengers more than I did this. It isn't bad, just wasn't anything spectacular. I figure I'll give the first arc a shot and decide if I'll drop it or not after that.

Whatever floats your boat. I prefer this kind of thing to NA, and U.S. Agent can be a decent jerkwad hero depending on how the writer handles him. As for Wanda, she is due some major attempts to redeem her character, moreso in some ways than Hank. Like Tigra and Wasp, she was a longtime heroine who had to be reduced to a plot point in the means of a story. Jocasta is growing on me. I always kind of felt she got a bad rap in the older stories; the Avengers seemed more tolerant of Vision than her.

I do agree that Slott totally nailed Cho and I hope he sticks around. Hercules without his smart mouth sidekick isn't as fun. Plus, I could imagine Hank and Cho batting ideas around.

If someone from editorial says that they can't be in two books at once, we can keep saying, "Wolverine" every time they try to speak.

"They're already in--"
"Wolverine."
"No, their own ongoing, you can't--"
"Wolverine."
"He has a perfect good reason for being everywhere. Now, Cho, on the other hand--"
"Wolverine."
"Sigh."
"He has two more ongoings, I could go on."

i want hulk to stay a part of the team.
im tired of hulk not being a mainstream hero.

Hulk was always more of an anti-hero or misunderstood hero than a mainstream hero.

I would normally say that there was no way the public could embrace the Hulk considering he tried to flatten Manhattan in a fit of rage. But if DARK REIGN proves anything, it is that shooting a terrorist on live TV makes you a media god. Plus, Hulk's had that moral gray area that he may fit that logic of, "Marvel citizens hate all true heroes, and embrace blindly any villain who cons them". So I could imagine Hulk saving the White House from HYDRA and then being elected President. :p

Anyway, the problem with Hulk is his unstability, which is usually why he doesn't work on teams.

[JewishHobbit]

Whatever floats your boat. I prefer this kind of thing to NA, and U.S. Agent can be a decent jerkwad hero depending on how the writer handles him. As for Wanda, she is due some major attempts to redeem her character, moreso in some ways than Hank. Like Tigra and Wasp, she was a longtime heroine who had to be reduced to a plot point in the means of a story. Jocasta is growing on me. I always kind of felt she got a bad rap in the older stories; the Avengers seemed more tolerant of Vision than her.

I do agree that Slott totally nailed Cho and I hope he sticks around. Hercules without his smart mouth sidekick isn't as fun. Plus, I could imagine Hank and Cho batting ideas around.


I understand the reasons for Wanda needed redeemed and I'm willing to start the ride to see what comes of it. And I'm a fan of Quicksilver, so hopefully something will come of his being in the book. And I've just never read anything I liked with U.S.Agent, so chances are I'm not giving him a fair shot. We'll see if I change my mind by the end of this first arc. But yeah, chances are that as long as Herc and Cho are present, I'll be around. Plus, I love the Young Avengers and Stature being on the team definately helps with that. And I really want to see her and Wanda deal with Scott's death.

How many issues is the first arc anyway?

[Franklin Richards]

Childlike Hulk worked great with the Defenders. I agree that he's tricky, but to discount his success with the Defenders would be inaccurate.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Dread]

I understand the reasons for Wanda needed redeemed and I'm willing to start the ride to see what comes of it. And I'm a fan of Quicksilver, so hopefully something will come of his being in the book. And I've just never read anything I liked with U.S.Agent, so chances are I'm not giving him a fair shot. We'll see if I change my mind by the end of this first arc. But yeah, chances are that as long as Herc and Cho are present, I'll be around. Plus, I love the Young Avengers and Stature being on the team definately helps with that. And I really want to see her and Wanda deal with Scott's death.

How many issues is the first arc anyway?

This first arc will be three issues. Of course, this issue had 36 pages, so they may have more pages for all I know. At least more story pages helps justify the extra buck in price.

I'm not sure if Quicksilver is staying. But, who knows until the end of the story, right? Slott has been capable of juggling large casts well for some time now. SHE-HULK had a slew of characters besides just Jen.

[Dread]

Childlike Hulk worked great with the Defenders. I agree that he's tricky, but to discount his success with the Defenders would be inaccurate.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Agreed, which is why I give Dr. Strange props for keeping that group together for a good, long while. Nighthawk usually failed in his attempts to hold them together not exactly because he was inept, but because he was unable to imitate Strange's authority.

Plus, it depends on what personality Hulk is when he gets up, although he usually is "default Hulk".

[Mr. Green]

i want hulk to stay a part of the team.
im tired of hulk not being a mainstream hero.
Hulk is just as mainstream as Spidey, it's just that writers like Bendis never want to use him in any of the main events even though it would make a whole lot more sense to do so.

I mean, Hulk wouldn't be incredibly useful to fight against the Skrulls with?

But he is still one of the most well known heroes in all of Marvel. Much more so than Hercules, Ares, Sentry, Deadpool and even Iron Man before they made a movie of him.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm dropping Mighty after this first arc, it was pretty bad imo.

You're dropping it whether you like the rest of the arc or not?

[Colossal Spoons]

I understand the reasons for Wanda needed redeemed and I'm willing to start the ride to see what comes of it. And I'm a fan of Quicksilver, so hopefully something will come of his being in the book. And I've just never read anything I liked with U.S.Agent, so chances are I'm not giving him a fair shot. We'll see if I change my mind by the end of this first arc. But yeah, chances are that as long as Herc and Cho are present, I'll be around. Plus, I love the Young Avengers and Stature being on the team definately helps with that. And I really want to see her and Wanda deal with Scott's death.

How many issues is the first arc anyway?

Omega Flight? :(

[CaptainStacy]

It appears that Quicksilver has been posessed by Chthon, who is an Elder God and a spirit of Chaos.

Interestingly, there was a storyline in AVENGERS, back in the 80s, where Pietro & Wanda went back to Transia trying to find out about their real parents. (I believe that's when Bova was first introduced.)


No, a few years before that. Giant Size Avengers #1, iirc.

[CaptainStacy]

You're not getting an intelligent Hulk for the foreseeable future. That's just the way it goes. Maybe in another two or three years. And I suspect that with this Cathon guy showing up, Slott may just blame the whole thing on that douche bag, so you know, wasn't really her fault. She was the gun, not the finger on the trigger. Thereby fixing Bendis' original f**k up. Brilliant!

My thoughts as well.

[CaptainStacy]

She has completely ill-thought out powers. I remember back in the sixties she basically caused "bad luck", so she'd do stuff like make Beast think his legs were silly putty and cause Cyclops to hit something he did not want to. Now it's like "unmake all reality!!!!" then she'll have energy projection whatchamacallits and weird "hex powers" and none of it makes any f---in' sense:huh: Choose a god damn power woman!

Yeah, but she later became the protoge of Agatha Harkness, who trained Wanda in actual magic...

[CaptainStacy]

[QUOTE=Dread;16323515]Whatever floats your boat. I prefer this kind of thing to NA, and U.S. Agent can be a decent jerkwad hero depending on how the writer handles him. As for Wanda, she is due some major attempts to redeem her character, moreso in some ways than Hank. Like Tigra and Wasp, she was a longtime heroine who had to be reduced to a plot point in the means of a story. Jocasta is growing on me. I always kind of felt she got a bad rap in the older stories; the Avengers seemed more tolerant of Vision than her.

I do agree that Slott totally nailed Cho and I hope he sticks around. Hercules without his smart mouth sidekick isn't as fun. Plus, I could imagine Hank and Cho batting ideas around.

If someone from editorial says that they can't be in two books at once, we can keep saying, "Wolverine" every time they try to speak.

"They're already in--"
"Wolverine."
"No, their own ongoing, you can't--"
"Wolverine."
"He has a perfect good reason for being everywhere. Now, Cho, on the other hand--"
"Wolverine."
"Sigh."
"He has two more ongoings, I could go on."
QUOTE]

Heh. :woot:

Agreed. Having Amadeus there strikes me as a bit of an homage to Rick Jones back in the beginning when he was hanging around with the team.

[TheCorpulent1]

I chuckled when Hank came right out and asked, "Who's your Rick Jones there?" Hopefully we can keep the Teen Brigade out of it, though. ;) Although, now that I think about it, a new Teen Brigade with Blackberries and iPhones could be kind of cool.

Cho should definitely stay on the team. Besides being great fodder for comedy with more characters to play off of than just Herc, it could be interesting to see him interact with people more his age like Cassie and Vision, Jr.

US Agent I view as a consummate soldier. He's basically the Jack Bauer of comics. Granted, he's not as effective as Jack, but he's a patriot who can be led astray but generally tries to do the right thing. He's certainly not the paragon of virtue that Cap is or even the fallen hero working toward redemption that Bucky is (since John's not even trying to be the goody two-shoes that Cap is), but he's a guy who stands for the right things and who'll do what it takes to get results. Frankly, he's a far more compelling anti-hero to me than the more popular ones like Wolverine or the Punisher.

[JewishHobbit]

Omega Flight? :(

You know, I only skimmed it. Never read it. I considered going back and giving it a shot because I was interested in Michael Pointer as Guardian and Beta Ray Bill, but once I heard nothing was going to come of the book I figured 'why bother?'. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, isn't their story in Civil War: Initiative and the beginning of Omega Flight contradictary? Something having to do with Bill being on the team already in Initiative and not in Omega Flight? Things like that annoy me. My comic funds are limited so I'd rather spend it on stuff that's still relevant and things may still come of.

[TheCorpulent1]

If you want a good US Agent story, I would actually recommend the Weapon Omega story in Marvel Comics Presents. It's short but US Agent features more prominently in that than he did in the Omega Flight mini-series. Plus, he's mostly helping out Pointer, whom you apparently like.

[spider_man_2]

So I could imagine Hulk saving the White House from HYDRA and then being elected President. :p

Just wait and watch that become the 2010 Summer event: President Hulk.

[JewishHobbit]

If you want a good US Agent story, I would actually recommend the Weapon Omega story in Marvel Comics Presents. It's short but US Agent features more prominently in that than he did in the Omega Flight mini-series. Plus, he's mostly helping out Pointer, whom you apparently like.

I have been curious about that, but I'm not sure I really want to spend the money on, what, 12 issues or so for maybe 3 issues worth of story.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that is the drawback. It's collected in its own trade (http://www.amazon.com/Weapon-Omega-TPB-Rich-Koslowski/dp/0785134158/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232827626&sr=8-1), though:

[JewishHobbit]

oh no way! I might try that out then. I always think of binding projects (as my eventual plan is to have my entire collection bound into hardback volumes) and I don't really want to buy comics I can't bind with something else later. I wouldn't mind using that as filler if needed in my Avengers run (being that he debuted in New Avengers). I'm looking into adding a bit more right after Civil War so I can include Thunderbolts in that area. This may be a good option to help with that. (Between 25 to 30 issues in a volume).

[Galact-Gal]

No, a few years before that. Giant Size Avengers #1, iirc.


Do you mean the story Roy Thomas wrote, that ended up saying Wanda and Pietro were the children of The Whizzer and Miss America? Bova was introduced in that one? Dang! She is old!

[Dread]

I agree with the consensus that Cho should remain alongside Hercules on the Mighty Avengers. He serves the role that Rick Jones did, only better because he is a legit genius and tactician in his own right; least so long as junk food is kept in supply. Plus, if the intention is to REALLY try to keep the Hulk on the team for long, then Cho may help keep him on the same page. The Hulk didn't care for Cho when he was interfering with his whole World War thing, but didn't genuinely hate him and in fact avoided killing Cho even when Cho was intentionally goading him (to prove the "Hulk math" theory that keeps Hulk from killing innocent civilians when he doesn't want to). Now that Hulk's not out for revenge against Manhattan anymore, having Cho around may help at least aim the lug in the right direction in fights. A lot of team up's with Hulk usually involve aiming him at the bad guys more than actually getting his assistance.

Or they could just try to, y'know, be his friend. Hey, it happens.

I could do without the Teen Brigade, though.

I read the WEAPON OMEGA story from MCP and I agree that it had more U.S. Agent in it than the OMEGA FLIGHT mini had. Technically, he agreed to be stationed in Canada partly to get revenge on Purple Man, who had fled there, but that plot went nowhere. Purple Man was sighted as back in the states in MODOK'S 11, so it seemed pointless. John Walker is a bit of an anti-hero, but I agree that he usually doesn't go as far with it as Wolverine or Punisher do. He's not one my favorite characters, but he's one I can tolerate in the right story. He isn't a great leader but he usually does alright as an efficient soldier. Hopefully Slott remembers the guy can lift 10 tons, like Spider-Man, instead of one.

[GNR]

I read #21 in my shop today,it's been a while since I've hit the shop since I started my new job.

Slott's always been hit or miss for me,most of this has to do with his dialog and the way his characters interact.The scene where Hank is speaking with most of the team and we have a summary of what's happened over the past 2-3 years just felt soooo forcefed and obligatory.

I may eventually pick up the trade,but I think I'm going to wait this one out.Pham surprised me this issue though,that was an amazing looking double page spread.

[Texas]

I read #21 in my shop today,it's been a while since I've hit the shop since I started my new job.

Slott's always been hit or miss for me,most of this has to do with his dialog and the way his characters interact.The scene where Hank is speaking with most of the team and we have a summary of what's happened over the past 2-3 years just felt soooo forcefed and obligatory.

I may eventually pick up the trade,but I think I'm going to wait this one out.Pham surprised me this issue though,that was an amazing looking double page spread.

So, I assume that you then bought the issue at the shop, right ?:huh:

[Gamma Goliath]

I agree with the consensus that Cho should remain alongside Hercules on the Mighty Avengers. He serves the role that Rick Jones did, only better because he is a legit genius and tactician in his own right; least so long as junk food is kept in supply. Plus, if the intention is to REALLY try to keep the Hulk on the team for long, then Cho may help keep him on the same page. The Hulk didn't care for Cho when he was interfering with his whole World War thing, but didn't genuinely hate him and in fact avoided killing Cho even when Cho was intentionally goading him (to prove the "Hulk math" theory that keeps Hulk from killing innocent civilians when he doesn't want to). Now that Hulk's not out for revenge against Manhattan anymore, having Cho around may help at least aim the lug in the right direction in fights. A lot of team up's with Hulk usually involve aiming him at the bad guys more than actually getting his assistance.


i think if they wrote an intelligent hulk, like he was in WWH i think he'd be a great team member but they keep going back to ol' childish version which i think is kind of lazy. imagine the power of this team:

Wasp (hank)

Hulk

Vision

Scarlett witch

hercules

U.S agent

i know this is a bit of a fantacy but imagine RULK (red hulk) on the dark avengers team.

[Mr. Green]

#21 was just kinda alright to me. Just not as good as Dark Avengers at this point, IMO.

[Vanguard07]

i think if they wrote an intelligent hulk, like he was in WWH i think he'd be a great team member but they keep going back to ol' childish version which i think is kind of lazy. imagine the power of this team:

Wasp (hank)

Hulk

Vision

Scarlett witch

hercules

U.S agent

i know this is a bit of a fantacy but imagine RULK (red hulk) on the dark avengers team.

He's busy being on the OFFENDERS

[Gamma Goliath]

yeah i know.

[Spider-Jay420]

I don't read HULK, but did anyone explain anywhere, how Hulk went from WWH intelligence to what we saw in MA 21?

[MightyAvenge]

Well if Hulk is available, then Rulk should also be available. I don't think Rulk should be on the DA though, the DA are already SUPER powerful.

Sentry
Captain Marvel
Moonstone
Iron Partriot
Ares
Venom
Daken
Bullseye

[MightyAvenge]

I don't read HULK, but did anyone explain anywhere, how Hulk went from WWH intelligence to what we saw in MA 21?

He has always randomly changed versions of the Hulk, this is not new. Anyway in Hulk the comic, he even changed into Joe Fixit.

[samurai black]

I don't read HULK, but did anyone explain anywhere, how Hulk went from WWH intelligence to what we saw in MA 21?

Jeph Loeb

[CaptainStacy]

Do you mean the story Roy Thomas wrote, that ended up saying Wanda and Pietro were the children of The Whizzer and Miss America? Bova was introduced in that one? Dang! She is old!

Yeah, that's a GREAT issue! :up:

[GNR]

So, I assume that you then bought the issue at the shop, right ?:huh:

I didn't,I was actually in the shop for a good hour reading thru alot of the newer books and some trades since it's been a while since I've been there.I'm good friends with the owners and clerks so they don't mind at all,plus I never leave empty handed.

[Havok83]

Im not really feelin the lineup on this book. I think New Avengers has the better cast. I also dont like how Scarlet Witch just showed up. After the major things that have happened with her the past few years, I feel she needed a bigger return than this. Seemed a bit anticlimatic

[Red Mask]

But Cthon is back! Cthon! That surely means the **** has hit the fan!

[yenaled]

Ohh read it today.

Man, that was ****ing good.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Well if Hulk is available, then Rulk should also be available. I don't think Rulk should be on the DA though, the DA are already SUPER powerful.

Sentry
Captain Marvel
Moonstone
Iron Partriot
Ares
Venom
Daken
Bullseye

I actually think the MA can more than take them. The only person that poses a real threat on that team imo is Sentry.

[CaptainStacy]

I actually think the MA can more than take them. The only person that poses a real threat on that team imo is Sentry.

Unfortunately, it looks like The NEW Avengers are going up against them first.

Sentry could probably beat all the NA by himself. :wow:

[TheCorpulent1]

I actually think the MA can more than take them. The only person that poses a real threat on that team imo is Sentry.
Wanda's sticking around with the MA. If anyone can take the Sentry, she can. Herc'll make short work of Ares, like he always does, and the rest of the MA can divvy up the rest of the DA however they like. :)

[yenaled]

Just reread the issue.

HANK PYM IS BACK!

[TheCorpulent1]

And so are the Avengers. :)

Kind of f***ed up that chaos apparently ate Oklahoma, though. Poor Thor. But, on the other hand, maybe he'll bust out at the end of the arc and join the team. Slott said that there are some big surprise guest stars coming up, and that the final MA team definitely won't be the same as the one going into this first arc.

[samurai black]

Unfortunately, it looks like The NEW Avengers are going up against them first. Sentry could probably beat all the NA by himself. :wow:

That's pretty sad but true.... They need Thor in a hurry.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor should just join every Avengers team. Even the Dark Avengers. Have him smack Ares and the Sentry around when they get out of line.

[CaptainStacy]

Wanda's sticking around with the MA. If anyone can take the Sentry, she can.

Very true. She did quite well against the souped-up Count Nefaria, and he was trying to KILL her. She should be able to take Sentry on , no problem.

[Havok83]

Its weird that there are 3 teams of Avengers and Thor, Iron Man and Captain America (the original) arent on any of them. A few years ago, I wouldnt have thought that possible

[TheCorpulent1]

It makes me sad.

[Vanguard07]

in terms of the big three it's just Thor thats really absent. I mean the NA has Cap (original or not he still counts. He IS Captain America), Iron Patriot is the Dark Avengers equivalent so he's close enough.

Thor just needs to join the Mighty Avengers and as far as i'm concerned everything's all good on the big three front.

[Havok83]

Immitations. Steve Rogers and Tony Stark helped define the Avengers. Bucky is an adequate replacement for now, but Norman Osborn is a disgrace. Im hoping Thor eventually ends up in Mighty as that seems like the best fit for him

Thor just needs to join the Mighty Avengers and as far as i'm concerned everything's all good on the big three front.
lol...Im surprised they didnt throw Thor Girl over there since they have alternate versions of the other 3 on the other teams

[TheCorpulent1]

I would probably die from the extremity of my orgasm if that happened.

[Gamma Goliath]

i think thor should join the MA. imagine 3 of the original mighty avengers together HULK, Thor, Pym.

[Vanguard07]

Immitations. Steve Rogers and Tony Stark helped define the Avengers. Bucky is an adequate replacement for now, but Norman Osborn is a disgrace. Im hoping Thor eventually ends up in Mighty as that seems like the best fit for him

lol...Im surprised they didnt throw Thor Girl over there since they have alternate versions of the other 3 on the other teams

Bucky is completely worthy of the title and would be accepted by Steve himself as such. That being the case with Steve Rogers dead, Bucky IS Captain America. He's not an immitation he's the heir.

As for Iron Patriot of course he's an immitation. Thats the whole nature of the Dark Avengers team. Every member is a cheap, evil twin type immitation of real heroes. (Even the sentry is just crazy evil superman and not a real hero by any means). They're ALL disgraces to the names they're using and thats the point.
Would you really want Tony Stark as an active member on that team?

[Havok83]

Bucky is completely worthy of the title and would be accepted by Steve himself as such. That being the case with Steve Rogers dead, Bucky IS Captain America. He's not an immitation he's the heir.I get that. Was just pointing out that the original was not around.

As for Iron Patriot of course he's an immitation. Thats the whole nature of the Dark Avengers team. Every member is a cheap, evil twin type immitation of real heroes. (Even the sentry is just crazy evil superman and not a real hero by any means). They're ALL disgraces to the names they're using and thats the point.
Would you really want Tony Stark as an active member on that team?
no Id rather have Tony Stark not be a member on any team. I hate the character. Again, I was just pointing out that its odd not seeing him or the other big 2 on an active Avengers team bc at least one of them has always been around

[samurai black]

Its weird that there are 3 teams of Avengers and Thor, Iron Man and Captain America (the original) arent on any of them. A few years ago, I wouldnt have thought that possible

Cap (Bucky) is on NA, Iron Man (Stark) is on MA, and Thor will probably assist the NA bc of his hatred for Stark and well hell..... they could REALLY use the help.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Cap (Bucky) is on NA, Iron Man (Stark) is on MA, and Thor will probably assist the NA bc of his hatred for Stark and well hell..... they could REALLY use the help.

I think if Hank asked him, regardless of whether or not Stark is on the MA he'd help.

[Vanguard07]

I doubt Thor's actually gonna join any Avengers team in the near future. If he did I would hope it would be on the MA. Herc and Thor just work too well together.

[samurai black]

I think if Hank asked him, regardless of whether or not Stark is on the MA he'd help.


With Hulk, Herc, and Wanda... Why would you need a Thor?

[Upset Spideyfan]

I'm not saying he would, just that if the situation ever arose he wouldn't say no.

[sdc10]

Im glad to see they are going with a more "classic" like line up of the team. Good foil to the dark avengers. My only concern is with the new avengers. To me they just don't feel like an avengers team.

[Xofenroht]

That's because the whole concept of The Avengers is being raped up the ass. At this point everyone in the Marvel Universe has been an Avenger.

[CaptainStacy]

I doubt Thor's actually gonna join any Avengers team in the near future. If he did I would hope it would be on the MA. Herc and Thor just work too well together.

Yeah, but a team with Herc, Thor and The Hulk alone would be unbeatable.

Nevermind Wanda, Pym, and the rest.

[random_havoc]

i don't get why they need anyone but wanda. Didn't she just re-make the entire world on a whim right down the minutae of a whole bunch of people's lives? How the heck does she need a team?!

[Havok83]

i don't get why they need anyone but wanda. Didn't she just re-make the entire world on a whim right down the minutae of a whole bunch of people's lives? How the heck does she need a team?!
well that wasnt a sane rational Wanda. She was crazy and out of control and I think there was a bit of chaos magic involved as well. What they need to do is bring her down to a reasonable level bc uber powerful characters arent all that interesting. She needs limits, especially with her abilitites

[TheCorpulent1]

With Hulk, Herc, and Wanda... Why would you need a Thor?
Needing Thor is the default. The real question is, why would you ever not need Thor? :oldrazz:

Personally, I don't think Tony or the Hulk are sticking around on the Mighty Avengers roster, so Thor would fit in perfectly if they leave.

[Franklin Richards]

I'd like to see more of Bucky and Thor's relationship. It was a nice moment for them when they were united in their disdain for Tony in SI.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[TheCorpulent1]

True, but I'd rather see that in either of their own comics rather than in New Avengers, handled by Bendis.

[MightyAvenge]

Who should take over for Bendis on New and Dark?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd take Gage on Dark and Fraction on New, myself.

[Colossal Spoons]

Personally, I don't think Tony or the Hulk are sticking around on the Mighty Avengers roster, so Thor would fit in perfectly if they leave.

Dude, I would kill for a roster that stuck for longer than a few months. These Avengers books are turning into the Teen Titans :( All this "character sticks around for 1 arc" crap is annoying.

[MightyAvenge]

Sounds great, especially with Gage, since he and Slott have work together. Fractions style would be an awesome fit for New.

[TheCorpulent1]

Dude, I would kill for a roster that stuck for longer than a few months. These Avengers books are turning into the Teen Titans :( All this "character sticks around for 1 arc" crap is annoying.
It works in the context. The team is very cobbled-together for this first arc. After the first arc, though, I think it'll stabilize. I doubt it'll be a revolving door of characters coming and going all the time.

[CaptainStacy]

I don't mind a "set roster" of five or six members, with another two or three rotating members per story arc.

That could be lots of fun.

[MightyAvenge]

I'd like to see a little bit of a revolving door. One arc is sometimes up to 6 issues long, which means it takes half a year to finish a story, maybe longer w/ delays. I just dont want certain Avengers getting stuck in limbo for to long, I've heard of no plans regarding Wonder Man, I wanna see him back on the Avengers eventually, so I kinda want a revolving door.

[Franklin Richards]

It works in the context. The team is very cobbled-together for this first arc. After the first arc, though, I think it'll stabilize. I doubt it'll be a revolving door of characters coming and going all the time.

That's 4 years from now when Slott revamps The Defenders.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Slott has mentioned that other characters may stop by from time to time, just like with the classic Avengers. You remember how Dr. Druid might show up to help Dane with the Ebony Blade and wind up getting sucked into an adventure with the Avengers--he's not technically on the roster, but he sticks with them for that one arc or a couple of arcs.

Also, Slott said that he'll be doing arcs of different sizes, determined by the story, including shorter 2- or 3-issue ones. I'm looking forward to that. A complete adventure doesn't necessarily have to take half a year's worth of issues to get through.

[Colossal Spoons]

How were Avengers books back in the day(pre-disassembled :O)? It seems like the same handful of characters were ALWAYS on the team.

[Franklin Richards]

They made a big deal of it around 215 or so. Gyrich showed up and said that there were too many Avengers and they had to cut it down. Jocasta was one of the casualties back then. Along with some of the Guardians of the Galaxy. Plus some of your more Avengery Avengers.

The Cap cut it down to 6 and that's when She Hulk and Hawkeye showed up after the Hank Debacle.

Then it got crazy with Jan being the center of a whirlwind of lineups. Then Disassembled.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[TheCorpulent1]

How were Avengers books back in the day(pre-disassembled :O)? It seems like the same handful of characters were ALWAYS on the team.
Nah, lots of different characters passed through the doors of Avengers Mansion. They did have a few characters who were commonly accepted as the "core" Avengers, depending on what time period you're talking about. Overall, it's usually the Vision, the Scarlet Witch, Captain America, the Wasp (Jan), Hawkeye, Hank Pym, and Iron Man who wind up on most Avengers rosters.

[hippie_hunter]

Needing Thor is the default. The real question is, why would you ever not need Thor? :oldrazz:

Personally, I don't think Tony or the Hulk are sticking around on the Mighty Avengers roster, so Thor would fit in perfectly if they leave.

Personally, I think Vision and Stature are more likely to leave than Tony.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't. What's pulling them away? The Young Avengers? Not like they're ever gonna get another series. They have much stronger ties to the core characters of the series--Hank and Wanda--than Tony does too.

[chris moore]

With the America's most wanted story coming up in IronMan, it seems likely that Tony will opt not to stay with the team because he doesnt want to bring down everything that after him onto a team of unregistered heroes.

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't. What's pulling them away? The Young Avengers? Not like they're ever gonna get another series. They have much stronger ties to the core characters of the series--Hank and Wanda--than Tony does too.

My heart!

[TheCorpulent1]

With the America's most wanted story coming up in IronMan, it seems likely that Tony will opt not to stay with the team because he doesnt want to bring down everything that after him onto a team of unregistered heroes.
On the other hand, a Pym Pocket would be a pretty good place for him to hide out...

[Colossal Spoons]

The Runaways should get their hands on a Pym Pocket.

[random_havoc]

Hank Pym is the most irritating Avenger there is. Jocasta is another character I have absolutely no use for.
I liked Disassembled and wish they'd have just killed Wanda off after it.

That covers half this new roster and explains why I'm not getting the series.

Also, there's the whole "magic door" thing. Advanced technology is fine, but at some point it just becomes retarded. I'd hoped I'd never see the day where the Avengers could teleport anywhere they wanted like the JLA, but alas my hopes were dashed.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, there are two other Avengers titles that are better suited to your tastes. That's the wonder of franchises. :)

[hippie_hunter]

With the America's most wanted story coming up in IronMan, it seems likely that Tony will opt not to stay with the team because he doesnt want to bring down everything that after him onto a team of unregistered heroes.

Any legitimate hero is going to be against Osborn anyways.

[TheCorpulent1]

But not all of them are going to be with Tony, given that he was in Osborn's shoes in all the ways that count to them not too long ago. I don't see Thor forgiving him just because he lost all his ill-gotten power, for one.

[hippie_hunter]

Hank hates Tony too. So does Amadeus and Hulk.

[RockSP]

Reed needs to get some of that hate. He doesn't have the "a skrull took my place" excuse.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Yeah, he did kinda get off the hook for that one. 42 was pretty much his idea.

Speaking of 42. I know it's being addressed in GotG, but you'd think they'd wanna like....go release those people now that the whole thing was a Skrull manipulation. :huh:

[Franklin Richards]

Hank Pym is the most irritating Avenger there is. Jocasta is another character I have absolutely no use for.
I liked Disassembled and wish they'd have just killed Wanda off after it.

That covers half this new roster and explains why I'm not getting the series.

Also, there's the whole "magic door" thing. Advanced technology is fine, but at some point it just becomes retarded. I'd hoped I'd never see the day where the Avengers could teleport anywhere they wanted like the JLA, but alas my hopes were dashed.

As long as Thor's been on the team they've always had the ability to teleport anywhere they wanted.



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[RockSP]

Speaking of 42. I know it's being addressed in GotG, but you'd think they'd wanna like....go release those people now that the whole thing was a Skrull manipulation. :huh:

That would make too much sense.

[Colossal Spoons]

Seriously. Now Blastaar is gonna rape all of those prisoners :(

[TheCorpulent1]

That would make too much sense.
Well, it's like Guantanamo. Even if Marvel-Obama wants to shut down 42, it doesn't happen overnight.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, well according to GotG; the guards totally abandoned the place after opening up all the cells. WTf is that?

[TheCorpulent1]

The guards abandoned the place because Blastaar attacked. All that means is that it was manned by cowardly guards.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm assuming the guards ran away and....told somebody wtf was going on though lol

[Vanguard07]

Haha nah they probably haven't mentioned it yet. If nobody knows that they're not at their post, then nobody's gonna cut off their paychecks.

[Dread]

It makes sense that the guards of the 42 would abandon their prisoners after Blastaar attacked in GOTG. It was quite obvious during some of the CIVIL WAR stuff that many of the "cape-killers" and other prison guards had contempt for superhumans in particular. It didn't matter if they were outright criminals or longtime superheroes who simply didn't want to submit to what was basically a federal draft order; they lumped them all the same. Many of those heroes were freed during the final battle in CW #8, which may be why only Jack Flag was there among some hardened criminals like Condor, G-Man of the Headmen, Skeleton Ki, and so on.

As for the Mighty Avengers, I personally would like a more stable roster. I don't mind some guest heroes showing up now and again, but the lack of a steady roster was something that always plagued NEW AVENGERS. Why should I care when that team was "disassembled" when they barely were assembled in the first place? Ronin was more of a guest member than a longtime one for some time; so was Sentry. By the time Ms. Marvel outright joins, CW happens. It was always in flux too much. What a lot of writers at Marvel & DC fail to understand is that there needs to be invested time in a roster for us to care about it breaking up. The problem is that investing time goes against the "major event once or twice a year" mantra.

Still, Dan Slott is capable of a large, regular roster on the book. At this point the only member I can't see staying long is The Hulk. He rarely has stayed on any team for long beyond the Defenders (or the Pantheon during his "Smart Hulk/The Professor" days).

Hank Pym is a lock. So is Jocasta. Marvel pretty much killed the OMEGA FLIGHT franchise in the cradle and that frees up U.S. Agent for a return. The lack of any movement on the YOUNG AVENGERS franchise beyond an obligatory mini every year frees up bits from their series, like Stature, Vision 2.0 and even Scarlet Witch herself, the seeming "mother" of Speed & Wiccan (an issue I am wondering may be resolved), as well as the return of Kang, who has been on the shelf since YA #12. Iron Man HAS to stay on the team because he is the most popular member of the Avengers right now, at least the Avengers who are not NEW AVENGERS (Spider-Man and Wolverine). Hercules & Cho are possible "wild cards" because they have an ongoing series and sometimes Marvel is hypocritical about who can appear many times a month (Wolverine and Storm can, but Beast cannot). Still, I am sure they may stay. Out of everyone, only Hulk seems variable based on past history. But who knows?

It is worth noting that it won't be long before we have an Avengers cartoon that stars Iron Man, Hank Pym, and Hulk, so it may be in Marvel's editorial interest to have a HC or two of material with them all on a team again.

I am glad a return to arcs that are under 6 issues are returning, but that has been a theme for a while. Many writers have adapted to more compressed stories since the end of 2006 or so.

[The Geek Vault]

I hope Hulk stays on an Avengers team.

[Red Mask]

Marvel pretty much killed the OMEGA FLIGHT franchise in the cradle and that frees up U.S. Agent for a return.

That's a real pity. The new Guardian could have been a wild card against Sentry.

[Dread]

I hope Hulk stays on an Avengers team.

It would be interesting if Slott could make that work. With Cho being a part of the roster, so long as Hercules stays, they could keep Hulk focused for a while.

That's a real pity. The new Guardian could have been a wild card against Sentry.

It was a case of Marvel being prudent and for once it backfired on them. Oeming & Collins teamed up to write an OMEGA FLIGHT ongoing. A few months before the first issue, Marvel switched it up to be a mini series. They likely feared yet another ongoing with smaller named talent and characters tanking and hedged their bets to make it a mini. The first six issues were clearly written as the set up for an ongoing. Furthermore, every issue sold very well; about 50-70k per issue. Had it remained an ongoing we likely would be on issue #18 by now. It wasn't flawless but it was enjoyable and actually made the Wrecking Crew a threat.

Marvel later hoped that such positive buzz on the mini would help boost MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS, which featured the new Guardian in a "sequel" story, but interest in that book died out long before issue #12.

Still, U.S. Agent should be interesting on this team, and I look forward to what Slott does with him.

[Mr. Green]

Hulk being on a team sounds kind of silly because he doesn't really work well with others and he's a "loose cannon." But he really does have some awesome moments with the Defenders.

[moraldeficiency]

maybe slott's working to redeem his past dickishness, I would like to enjoy reading about the hulk again, it's been a long time since planet hulk.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't care about redemption, I just hate the stupid, childish Hulk. His intelligent phases have always been his best for me. But instead we get the Hulk trying to punch snow in #21. :(

[moraldeficiency]

I don't mind stupid hulk as long as he's not superdick hulk. And that snow was clearly asking for it, don't be naive.

[Colossal Spoons]

I see no reason why you can't be the epitome of rage while maintaining the ability to speak intelligently and coherently. When I get angry, I don't talk like a caveman :o

[TheCorpulent1]

That's why Planet Hulk worked so well. He was at a constant cold, simmering rage but still articulate. That does make him a super-dick, but it's fun.

[Colossal Spoons]

I thought it was even scarier seeing him all calm though angry. I guess I can relate since I'm not a "scream and trash the place when angry" kind of guy. Brooding and festering FTW?

[TheCorpulent1]

Exactly. A guy throwing stuff around = a childish temper tantrum. A guy who sits in a corner before walking over very deliberately and punching you through a wall? Much more badass.

[moraldeficiency]

I think both of you need to smoke some pot and deal with that festering quiet rage in some productive way (angry sex would be my recommendation).

[TheCorpulent1]

Can't smoke pot, I have asthma. But I am buying some whiskey tonight.

For a steak marinade, damn it. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

I have no such outlet for my festering rage. I'd go to the gym, but angry lifting is a recipe for injury :(

[Franklin Richards]

Exactly. A guy throwing stuff around = a childish temper tantrum. A guy who sits in a corner before walking over very deliberately and punching you through a wall? Much more badass.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/DoomsuckerpunchesChameleon.jpg


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[TheCorpulent1]

Doom embodies all that is awesome.

[moraldeficiency]

that was a really fun issue, the SS didn't make sense in that configuration but I let that go cause it was a good read. Mysterio always comes off pretty badass in the right hands.

[Dread]

I never cared for "child Hulk" for long, either. It has been done so long that it gets tiresome and repetitive. Hence why I preferred Joe Fixit or The Professor. But, it is his default persona which means that it gets written the most and people are most familiar with it.

The "World War Hulk" won't work for a superhero team because he was angry at everyone. He wouldn't work well on a team. Even the Warbond had to acknowledge some unstability. He was more simmering rage but that doesn't work well on a team.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Professor would be ideal, but Joe Fixit has shown he can play nice with others in the New FF.

[Franklin Richards]

Why all the "hate" for Child Hulk? The Professor was always a cheat in my opinion. One of the great things about the Hulk is his Jekyl / Hyde storyline. Take that away and he's just a poor version of the Thing. And by poor I mean a weaker story. Not that Ben can take him in a fight so unpucker Hulk fans.



:thing: :thing: :thing:

[TheCorpulent1]

Jekyll/Hyde was about a guy and his darker impulses, not a guy and his retarded inner child writ large.

I don't see how the Professor is like the Thing, either. The Thing hates being the Thing. The Professor absolutely loved being the Hulk. He was arrogant to a fault because of it, in fact. It's the ultimate nerd-fantasy come true.

[Franklin Richards]

Professor was always a "Waiting for Algernon" storyline. It always ends with him starting to lose his intel and wondering if it's for the best because he can't defeat X unless he gives in to the beast.

My comparison to the Thing was just a powerhouse with brains comparison. And the fact that the Professor loves it is the reason I thought it was poor.


I like my Hulks stupid. :D



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[RockSP]

The Thing is a powerhouse with brains???

[Mr. Green]

Professor was always a "Waiting for Algernon" storyline. It always ends with him starting to lose his intel and wondering if it's for the best because he can't defeat X unless he gives in to the beast.
What? That's never been how the story would go. The whole way Professor came about is because Doc Samson helped him merge the gray Hulk, the savage green Hulk, and Bruce Banner into one personality/physical form.

It very rarely ended with him losing his intelligence and Banner never thought it was for the best because he hated (and still hates) losing control to his inner-rage.

And I will always have love for the prof because when I was growing up in the 90s, PAD was making some the best Hulk stories EVER and this was when prof Hulk was THE Hulk.

[Dread]

Well, The Professor basically asked Jean Grey to "turn Banner off" during the ONSLAUGHT saga so he could crack the maniac's armor, which brought on Savage Hulk as well as the end of that era of Hulk.

I am used to Child Hulk so if Slott maintains that and makes it work, it won't be a deal breaker. I guess I liked the other Hulk's because they each tried something different with the formula. Joe Fixit I admit one could argue was similar to The Thing, only I would argue he wasn't nearly as noble as Ben Grimm; he did work for a casino, after all. I always thought of him as Banner's attempt at acting "dark and cool" only without being evil or vengeful (at least often). Joe Fixit was even willing to work with rival Wolverine, albeit not after the occasional punch or two. The Professor was an idealized Hulk, of course; akin to the Banner-controlled Hulk, but more arrogant.

People complain about the other versions of Hulk, but I might argue the whole "misunderstood monster" angle has been overplayed since FRANKENSTEIN. Virtually everything has been done before. Child Hulk is the Hulk that everyone is most familiar with, though, so it usually is the default and stays. I don't mind it for a while in the comics, but it can ware old just like anything else.

Just so long as Hulk's not a cannibal like in Ultimate.

[Franklin Richards]

The Thing is a powerhouse with brains???

Guy has two degrees. He's a major in the Army Air Corp. He navigated Attilan from Tibet to the Blue Area. He can fly anything including extra terrestrial craft. He's smart enough.

What? That's never been how the story would go.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/ReedpissesoffHulk.jpg


Sure it would.


:thing: :thing: :thing:

[Dread]

Mr. Fantastic can be a dick sometimes. Granted, anyone who decides to call himself "MISTER FANTASTIC" has dick-potential. ;) And this isn't anywhere near a lot of Reed's "be silent, woman!" style lines to Sue from the 60's-70's.

[hippie_hunter]

Well, The Professor basically asked Jean Grey to "turn Banner off" during the ONSLAUGHT saga so he could crack the maniac's armor, which brought on Savage Hulk as well as the end of that era of Hulk.

I am used to Child Hulk so if Slott maintains that and makes it work, it won't be a deal breaker. I guess I liked the other Hulk's because they each tried something different with the formula. Joe Fixit I admit one could argue was similar to The Thing, only I would argue he wasn't nearly as noble as Ben Grimm; he did work for a casino, after all. I always thought of him as Banner's attempt at acting "dark and cool" only without being evil or vengeful (at least often). Joe Fixit was even willing to work with rival Wolverine, albeit not after the occasional punch or two. The Professor was an idealized Hulk, of course; akin to the Banner-controlled Hulk, but more arrogant.

People complain about the other versions of Hulk, but I might argue the whole "misunderstood monster" angle has been overplayed since FRANKENSTEIN. Virtually everything has been done before. Child Hulk is the Hulk that everyone is most familiar with, though, so it usually is the default and stays. I don't mind it for a while in the comics, but it can ware old just like anything else.

Just so long as Hulk's not a cannibal like in Ultimate.

Personally I think that Slott is keeping the child like Hulk simply because Loeb's in control of the Hulk character for the time being and he treats Hulk with a child like personality. I think it's smart for Slott not to portray contradicting portrayals of Hulk because he knows it's Loeb's book. Even though Loeb is completely ignoring Pak's interpretation for no reason at all given.

[Dread]

Personally I think that Slott is keeping the child like Hulk simply because Loeb's in control of the Hulk character for the time being and he treats Hulk with a child like personality. I think it's smart for Slott not to portray contradicting portrayals of Hulk because he knows it's Loeb's book. Even though Loeb is completely ignoring Pak's interpretation for no reason at all given.

That is also true; Dan Slott usually tries not to step on anyone's toes. I would also imagine that his Iron Man stuff won't effect whatever is happening with Fraction's INVINCIBLE IRON MAN, with Stark on the run from Osborn and the Dark Avengers.

Yeah, Loeb is going for Child Hulk, at least whenever Hulk actually appears in his own book as opposed to Rulk. Not that I read that drek, but occasionally I scim in the store for the artwork. Honestly, Loeb is in Liefield territory; he has been writing stories that sell amazingly well without being all that good, like Rob did in the 90's.

If Slott writes it well, I don't care what version of Hulk it is. :p

[Colossal Spoons]

Thing has 2 degrees?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Another great issue. :up:

[Mr. Green]

Guy has two degrees. He's a major in the Army Air Corp. He navigated Attilan from Tibet to the Blue Area. He can fly anything including extra terrestrial craft. He's smart enough.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/ReedpissesoffHulk.jpg


Sure it would.


:thing: :thing: :thing:
I was thinking of the Professor-Hulk as written by PAD in the 90s that was created in this issue (http://mantequillaconazucar.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/hulk.jpg). I'm fairly certain that the comic cited happened before 1991 so I'm not sure what that's all about.

[Mr. Green]

Mr. Fantastic can be a dick sometimes. Granted, anyone who decides to call himself "MISTER FANTASTIC" has dick-potential. ;) And this isn't anywhere near a lot of Reed's "be silent, woman!" style lines to Sue from the 60's-70's.
I know, right? And people say he was OOC during CW... He was less of a dick during CW than he used to be!

[hippie_hunter]

That is also true; Dan Slott usually tries not to step on anyone's toes. I would also imagine that his Iron Man stuff won't effect whatever is happening with Fraction's INVINCIBLE IRON MAN, with Stark on the run from Osborn and the Dark Avengers.

Yeah, Loeb is going for Child Hulk, at least whenever Hulk actually appears in his own book as opposed to Rulk. Not that I read that drek, but occasionally I scim in the store for the artwork. Honestly, Loeb is in Liefield territory; he has been writing stories that sell amazingly well without being all that good, like Rob did in the 90's.

If Slott writes it well, I don't care what version of Hulk it is. :p

I think that Liefield was much better in the 90's than he is today. While certainly not good to today's standards, Liefield's art wasn't cringe-worthy and I can see why he became popular. The Liefield of today is nothing but an empty shell, hell I even say a parody, of himself.

[Franklin Richards]

I was thinking of the Professor-Hulk as written by PAD in the 90s that was created in this issue (http://mantequillaconazucar.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/hulk.jpg). I'm fairly certain that the comic cited happened before 1991 so I'm not sure what that's all about.

Hulk with a Brain or Professor Hulk was one of Bruce's personalities before that issue you cited. He was forgiven and an adamantium statue was built of him. There was a Hulk Day and everything. These pics were when he went off to Secret Wars. After that he soon started to lose his intel again and ultimately was kicked to the Crossroads by Dr. Strange.

I know, right? And people say he was OOC during CW... He was less of a dick during CW than he used to be!

Reed wasn't being a dick in that pic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/ReedapoligizesHulk.jpg


He was being smart.



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[Dread]

I know, right? And people say he was OOC during CW... He was less of a dick during CW than he used to be!

Well, throwing good heroes into a gulag because math tells you to is going a bit far. :p

I think that Liefield was much better in the 90's than he is today. While certainly not good to today's standards, Liefield's art wasn't cringe-worthy and I can see why he became popular. The Liefield of today is nothing but an empty shell, hell I even say a parody, of himself.

I wouldn't go that far. :p

Hulk with a Brain or Professor Hulk was one of Bruce's personalities before that issue you cited. He was forgiven and an adamantium statue was built of him. There was a Hulk Day and everything. These pics were when he went off to Secret Wars. After that he soon started to lose his intel again and ultimately was kicked to the Crossroads by Dr. Strange.



Reed wasn't being a dick in that pic.


He was being smart.



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I know, it was just easy to harp on.

The Handbooks seems to separate "Hulk with Banner's intellect" and "The Professor" because the Professor had Banner's mind along with Fixit's cajones. ;)

[Franklin Richards]

Well forgive me. :D


Such a huge difference. I can't see why I got confused.



*coughblowjobcough*



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[Dread]

If we are looking at the Jeckel/Hyde aspect as a darker persona of a scientist, then in a way Fixit was more of that than typical Hulk, who usually reacted to whatever was angering or endangering Banner. Fixit was the one with the shady job, the big suit, even some orgies. It was a real double life.

[Red Mask]

Hulk being on a team sounds kind of silly because he doesn't really work well with others and he's a "loose cannon." But he really does have some awesome moments with the Defenders.

At least it's truly a Mighty Mighty Avengers!

[bryanss3]

this is kinda off topic from MA but since where talking about the Hulk what the **** did they do to Rick Jones? what the hell is this A-Bomb bs?

[TheCorpulent1]

Well forgive me. :D


Such a huge difference. I can't see why I got confused.



*coughblowjobcough*



:thing: :doom: :thing:
Professor Hulk also has a limit on his strength/rage, after which a psychological glitch forces him to transform into Banner's body with the retardo-Hulk's mind. It was a stupid weakness, but it made for some funny moments. :)

[Dread]

Professor Hulk also has a limit on his strength/rage, after which a psychological glitch forces him to transform into Banner's body with the retardo-Hulk's mind. It was a stupid weakness, but it made for some funny moments. :)

I remember that.

To be fair, many superhero "weaknesses" are kind of stupid if you think about it objectively, but they're a staple in comics so many of us dismiss it. ;)

DC can explain it any way they want, but a Green Lantern being unable to effect anything yellow was pretty ****ing stupid. I just haven't decided if it is as stupid as the original Green Lantern's weakness against wood.

[Mr. Green]

That's funny because Ellen Degeneres' weakness is wood also.




GET IT?!

[Gamma Goliath]

I remember that.

To be fair, many superhero "weaknesses" are kind of stupid if you think about it objectively, but they're a staple in comics so many of us dismiss it. ;)

DC can explain it any way they want, but a Green Lantern being unable to effect anything yellow was pretty ****ing stupid. I just haven't decided if it is as stupid as the original Green Lantern's weakness against wood.
:lmao::pal::lmao: man thats funny.

i like the personality they used in WWH where he had his own intelligence.
i also like that he was exteremely tactical, skilled, powerful, and stood as a leader to the warbound. i think this hulk was not only able to work with a team but lead them as well.

[TheCorpulent1]

I remember that.

To be fair, many superhero "weaknesses" are kind of stupid if you think about it objectively, but they're a staple in comics so many of us dismiss it. ;)

DC can explain it any way they want, but a Green Lantern being unable to effect anything yellow was pretty ****ing stupid. I just haven't decided if it is as stupid as the original Green Lantern's weakness against wood.
The sad thing is that Geoff Johns moved the "new" Green Lanterns beyond the yellow weakness, yet he actually reinstated Alan's wood weakness for no apparent reason. Alan gets no respect. :(

[Dread]

That's funny because Ellen Degeneres' weakness is wood also.




GET IT?!

Got it. :up:

:lmao::pal::lmao: man thats funny.

i like the personality they used in WWH where he had his own intelligence.
i also like that he was exteremely tactical, skilled, powerful, and stood as a leader to the warbound. i think this hulk was not only able to work with a team but lead them as well.

I know. The only problem about World War Hulk was that he practically remembered every sin and insult he had faced by the heroes and basically hated everyone. Even the Warbond sometimes more like redirected his rage or hoped it would be aimed in the right direction.

The sad thing is that Geoff Johns moved the "new" Green Lanterns beyond the yellow weakness, yet he actually reinstated Alan's wood weakness for no apparent reason. Alan gets no respect. :(

Yeah, that does stink.

I do know that the yellow weakness thing was removed ages ago, but considering the Green Lantern was always limited by needing to be recharged (much as Spider-Man's web-shooters had to be reloaded), which allowed a writer to make the hero weaker if the story needed it, I never got into the yellow thing.

If I was going to fight a Green Lantern, I'd grab a bunch of bats, paint them yellow and hope I covered the bases. :p

[CaptainStacy]

I hope he stays on the team awhile...

[BLACKVULCAN]

even though this deals with the New Avengers( Hell they are so many Avengers book now they are like X-men was back in the day)I will just put it here.That was a Total worthless development plot line dealing with the Abduction of Luke's baby. So all that just to show Luke lying. Huh?? i love that Luke didnt turn over like a dog to Osbourne , but all that just to have him lie to Osbourne and the jarvis skull get pulgged.Man if he was smart he should ran off without the kid then nobody would have been looking for him .Again that whole sub plot dealing with that kid was unnessary. seemed like they wanted to wrap it up cause they didnt have any idea where to go forward with it. Boo!

[RockSP]

( Hell they are so many Avengers book now they are like X-men was back in the day)

"Back in the day"? Those days are still with us.

[JustABill]

There are more X-Men Books than Avengers books.

There's 4 Avengers books.

Then you have...Astonshing, Legacy, Uncanny, Young, New Exiles, X-Factor, X-Force, Cable, Wolverine's 80 spin-offs, Deadpool and Cap Brit (if you can count those last two.)

[RockSP]

Wolverine's 80 spin-offs,

Heh.

[BLACKVULCAN]

"Back in the day"? Those days are still with us.
HAHAHAH yeah you guys are right, but "back in the day" was the last time i even read an X-men book. having all those freaking titles was what stopped me in the 1st Place. if Avengers keeps going that way too looks like i will doing the same thing.

[RockSP]

having all those freaking titles was what stopped me in the 1st Place.

You and me both.

[CaptainCanada]

There are more X-Men Books than Avengers books.

There's 4 Avengers books.

Then you have...Astonshing, Legacy, Uncanny, Young, New Exiles, X-Factor, X-Force, Cable, Wolverine's 80 spin-offs, Deadpool and Cap Brit (if you can count those last two.)
If you count all the X-books that don't have "X-Men" in the title, all the Avengers characters' solo books and such would also count, which evens things up considerably.

[Ahura Mazda]

From what I read in the excerp it does not seem so but I hope we are surprised...

[Franklin Richards]

Looks like the Mighty Avengers are about to get their asses beat.


MIGHTY AVENGERS #25
Written by DAN SLOTT
Pencils by STEPHEN SEGOVIA
Cover by KHOI PHAM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/mightavn25_cov.jpg

What would be the greatest heist of all time? Breaking into the First National Bank? The Tower of London? Fort Knox? No. It'd be knocking over the BAXTER BUILDING! But why would HANK PYM want to rip off MR. FANTASTIC? And are the other AVENGERS ready to become Earth's Mightiest Cat Burglars? Part one of the all-new MIGHTY AVENGERS/FANTASTIC FOUR throwdown starts here!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[TheCorpulent1]

Looks like the Mighty Avengers are about to get their asses beat.
Everyone except Herc and probably Vision, Jr. :up:

[Franklin Richards]

I think Herc get's a big boner when he knows he's about to fight Ben. He know's he's about to get a great scrap and Ben just won't quit.


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[Mr. Green]

Yeah, the FF are a pretty badass team but I agree with Corpy. Vision and Herc ain't going down like that.

Invisible Woman has the best powers though. She could turn your eyes invisible so you can't see, she can make force-fields that you can't get through unless you're the Hulk or something, she can fly via invisible force-fields, she can put a force-field around your head and suffocate you, she can force invisible air bubbles into your bloodstream and kill you, she basically has telekenesis via her force-fields, and she can turn INVISIBLE!

Those are some sweet f-ing powers.

[Upset Spideyfan]

I think Herc get's a big boner when he knows he's about to fight Ben. He know's he's about to get a great scrap and Ben just won't quit.


:thing: :thing: :thing:

Must... resist... urge... to make a dirty joke.

[Franklin Richards]

Reed prolly knows where Vision Jr.'s off switch is. As for Herc... Ben's just gotta play rope-a-dope.


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[Mr. Green]

Yeah, Reed could take Vision but Thing can't take Herc. No way in hell.

[moraldeficiency]

I got faith in slott to do it right.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sure they'll all realize it was a big misunderstanding halfway through the fight anyway. Superhero fights are basically meaningless right from the start.

[Vanguard07]

I wouldnt be surprised if Hank-Wasp beats Reed this time around by sheer element of surprise. I mean, everyone knows what Reed's capable of but nobody (Reed included) has any idea what the new Wasp can or will do.

Herc beats The Thing every time. Hell he could probably beat two at once.

Vision could probably take Human Torch.

The only real problem is Sue. She could concievably bring down more than half of the MA herself.
Wanda's the MA's best bet against Sue. Stature'd just get owned.

[Dread]

As some have stated at the May Solict topic, this cover at least proves which members are staying past the first 3 issue arc. Granted, there are no surprises in that regard: Pym, Vision II, Stature, and Hercules. Naturally with Pym will come Jocasta. As I said there, the only member of the Slott/Pham launch arc that I am unsure is staying long is the Hulk, because he rarely stays on Avengers rosters long. The Defenders were the only team that non-Smart Hulk stayed on for long, and often not without some cajoling or circumstance. "The Professor" of course stayed on the Pantheon for years.

Most superhero fights are usually some sort of misunderstanding or manipulation and eventually they settle their differences. Plus, not every cover is 100% accurate to interior action.

I expect it to be well written, as Slott has displayed skill with writing the Four, especially Thing and Johnny. Part of me thinks part of this story is to showcase Pym's intellect against Mr. Fantastic to try to make him seem more impressive, kind of like how anyone is a decent martial artist if they can, say, fight Batman to a draw.

In some ways, the Mighty Avengers team may be about a "redemption" team mostly. Pym of course was missing from the Marvel Universe for maybe a year in "Marvel Time" (since the end of Avengers Disassembled in real time, which was circa 2004) and has to deal with a world where his Skrull mangled his image even further. Jocasta was never officially embraced by the Avengers proper in the past, despite them accepting the original Vision. If Iron Man sticks around, he of course has his own hassles; he has alienated many allies with CW, the world blames him for the Skrull invasion (and some for the Hulk attack), and he is on the run from Osborn (a status quo that may kick in on this title in the second arc). Hercules of course has been an unregistered, wanted hero for ages now, with a rep as more of a brawler than a superhero lately. If Scarlet Witch sticks around, which I hope she does, she of course has to redeem herself after going insane and destroying the last Avengers, especially in the eyes of Cassie Lang (in fact, that may be partly why Cassie is on the team). U.S. Agent of course has had a long history as a jerk who occasionally would want people to address him as "Captain America" even when Steve was alive. And of course if the Hulk stays, his areas of redemption are obvious. He just nearly destroyed Manhattan Island in a temper tantrum, and has been a menace in the past. Even with Vision II, he is stuck being the "son" of a creation build by Ultron, with brain patterns from Kang, another villain. And with Norman Osborn mostly dismantling the Initiative, I could easily see Cassie Lang's status as legal, registered teen hero being revoked quickly.

As for fighting the Four, the Mighty Avengers have the numbers advantage. But, yeah, should be interesting. Maybe Pym's "robbery" is in fact to reclaim his own data from Reed that "Skrullowjacket" had given him when both were tag team partners during CIVIL WAR.

[Franklin Richards]

Avengers have the suprise but the FF have the homefield advantage.



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