The Official Mighty Avengers Thread

[usagicassidy]

I wish there was no mohawk and even more I wish there was no Ares.

[Artistsean]

I like Ares. He is an alright character.

You're thinking inertia. Gravity just "pulls". Though Einstein believes that things actually "fell", and Quantum Physics believes that gravitons "pull".

Yes, I did mean inertia. I am an artist, not a scientist. But I am an animator. Anyway, inertia would keep the ship moving.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[Varient]

I like Ares. He is an alright character.



*GASP*
I think he needs a primary weapon of mystical origion.


We'll just have to wait and see.
U r not alone in the pref that Superheroics at least give "The nod" toward physics in general,....

[TheCorpulent1]

They should give Ares the Bloodaxe. Its curse probably wouldn't make a difference to him anyway, and it can cut through practically anything.

[Varient]

They should give Ares the Bloodaxe. Its curse probably wouldn't make a difference to him anyway, and it can cut through practically anything.

I thought thunderstrike destroyed it?

[Mogwai]

I liked the giant 'Final Fantasy' sword he had in Cho's early designs (in Wizard).

[PhotoJones]

here's a preview for issue 2:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=106299

[arachnid-guy]

Looks quite good.

Though this Ultron malarkey really is quite confusing and annoying.

I didn't really warm to this 'twist'.

:csad:

[Red]

So Mighty Avengers is like a bio-monthly

[Harlekin]

How did you come to that conclusion?

[Red]

Issue #1 was released on the 3rd of March and according to the link above #2 is out on April 18th.

[Harlekin]

That's still monthly.

[Darthphere]

Red X forgot his months.

[Red Mask]

FYI: For a release of twice a month you say 'semi-monthly'. You can also say 'bi-weekly' for every two weeks. 'Bi-monthly' refers to every two months.

[Mogwai]

That looks great, can't wait.. I'm lost when it comes to what happened to Iron Man in #1.

[pifpaf]

i think iron man need a lesson of humility for call captain america ''rogers''
i head is so big now he dont need a helmet for is armor he need a container for is head i really hate him now

[Mogwai]

i think iron man need a lesson of humility for call captain america ''rogers''
i head is so big now he dont need a helmet for is armor he need a container for is head i really hate him now

Yeah, I agree. You want to like him but you can't. He'll have to do something really great to get some people's respect back.

[Sebastos]

I still haven't tracked down #1. My LCS ran out so far. So I guess I'll just have to start reading this series with #2.

[Mogwai]

you're in luck, marvel's releasing a second printing which should be in stores on april 4th.

[Red]

I still haven't tracked down #1. My LCS ran out so far. So I guess I'll just have to start reading this series with #2.

You realise Iron Fist is not in Mighty Avengers.

[Sebastos]

You realise Iron Fist is not in Mighty Avengers.

I told you to stop with the stupid jokes.

you're in luck, marvel's releasing a second printing which should be in stores on april 4th.

Sweet! Thanks. :)

[Vanguard07]

So far I'm somewhat torn on this title.
I hate Iron Man, I strongly dislike Wasp and Black Widow.
I'm conflicted about Ares cause I really dont see how he has any right to be there.
I find the Sentry kind of interesting but he's still yet to do anything for me to really like him.
I only like Wonderman when he's working with Thor, Hercules or Beast.

Ms Marvel's okay.

[Blaktin America]

Its like a squad of A-holes. Maybe as a whole I will grow to like them.

[PhotoJones]

Its like a squad of A-holes. Maybe as a whole I will grow to like them.

maybe. but they're well drawn a-holes. :woot:

[Vanguard07]

Meh, either way i figure i'll give it to the end of it's first arc and decide after that.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Its like a squad of A-holes.


You see this describes the Ultimates to me.

[Red Mask]

So far I'm somewhat torn on this title.
I hate Iron Man, I strongly dislike Wasp and Black Widow.
I'm conflicted about Ares cause I really dont see how he has any right to be there.
I find the Sentry kind of interesting but he's still yet to do anything for me to really like him.
I only like Wonderman when he's working with Thor, Hercules or Beast.

Ms Marvel's okay.

Hey now, except for Iron Man let's see where this team is heading. They'll be facing some big threats. When that happens you might be grateful they're around to fight them. It's like that line in a "A Few Good Men".

"You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall". :dry:

[Mogwai]

Now that you bring it up, I guess they are *******s.. But I mean, likeable ones.

[bkhedr]

For the record

Ultron = Woman = Uber lame

So uber lame I dont care how he tries to explain it because I know it will be lame.

someone should tell Bendis that we already have a female Ultron. Her name is Alkhema

[Kevin]

Who...?

[bkhedr]

Alkhema

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Alkhema

[LouFerignoDemon]

I like sexy Ultron woman. What's not to like about a sexy metal woman who's a cold calculations expert with nothing to do but plan?

[bkhedr]

I just dont see a reason to make Ultron into a woman

I mean why?

except that Bendis might have recently watched T3 and assumed that none of his readers did.

[Crosis]

It's sad because it plays into the stereotype that comic book geeks just drool over scantily-clad cartoon women all day.

[bkhedr]

Besides, Ultron is badass. He doesnt need a redesign, and he certainly wouldnt want to look MORE human

[Varient]

Besides, Ultron is badass. He doesnt need a redesign, and he certainly wouldnt want to look MORE human

Yes.
I'm waiting for the reason why "Ultron" would decide on a female body.
My thoughts / reason:

Jocasta,.. who has worked with Stark for years as part of a worldspanning OS,.. had an unactivated Ultron worm/subroutine who's conditions were met.

The worm activated,.. took on a life of it's own, downloaded itself to the Ironman armor.

Because it went thru Jocasta to get to the Ironman Armor,... It warped into a female representation of "Ultron".

[bkhedr]

Hmmm

Not bad

But I doubt Bendis will be that clever

[Varient]

I like sexy Ultron woman. What's not to like about a sexy metal woman who's a cold calculations expert with nothing to do but plan?

The one perk with brainy cold calculating women is that they are very clinical about their man's satisfaction.

They will chart and plot what reduces the man to an over used puddle of spastic flesh and then set up a schedule to make it so regularly enough to keep him in thrall.

(smirk)

There are worse ways to be whipped.

[Mr Sparkle]

Tony Stark needs to be knocked down a peg or 10,000
and Ares isn't cool. he looks like one of the village people.
the Sentry is cool and all, but the whole "I'm all superpowerful" is kind fo a bore sometimes, I hope we don't go to dragon ball z territory with him.
black widow? well I don't know much about her other than her ass was drawn with exact detail.
did I mention that post-extremis Tony Stark is becoming kind of an *******?
and the wasp?
well I've never liked her.
I kind of always understood she needed a good slapping once in a while.
a nice pimpslaping,

[LouFerignoDemon]

The one perk with brainy cold calculating women is that they are very clinical about their man's satisfaction.

They will chart and plot what reduces the man to an over used puddle of spastic flesh and then set up a schedule to make it so regularly enough to keep him in thrall.

(smirk)

There are worse ways to be whipped.

I'm sure that's true, but I always go with the "How can I make him bend to my will, and do what it is I wish?" sort of plotting. You know, evil. And then date his sister. O.o Unless she doesn't swing that way, then I'm just evil standard. Not super evil.

[Mogwai]

I just dont see a reason to make Ultron into a woman

I mean why?

except that Bendis might have recently watched T3 and assumed that none of his readers did.

I was just thinking that. Ultron is now a T-X rip-off..

[Darthphere]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/MightyAvengers/MIGHTAVN005_COLv2.jpg

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=107221

[Specter313]

Newsarama note: Yeah, you got us - that's not Mighty Avengers #7. That's the previously unseen cover to July's #5. So why are we showing it with a Mark Bagley story? Hey - it's Frank Cho drawing Ant-Man. Come on.

And the fact that Ms. Marvel's Frank Cho drawn booty is oh so noticeable on that cover as well had nothing to do with them wanting to show it, I'm sure. It's all about the Ant-Man. :p

[Darthphere]

Which Ant-Man is that?

[CaptainCanada]

Maybe Henry Pym putting the suit on again? Or Bendis has resurrected Scott Lang in order to further pacify the Disassembled haters.:woot:

Frank Cho is appealingly brazen in his gratuitousness.

[32CAGE]

Maybe Henry Pym putting the suit on again? Or Bendis has resurrected Scott Lang in order to further pacify the Disassembled haters.:woot:

Frank Cho is appealingly brazen in his gratuitousness.

If Scott Lang is being resurrected, i am sure our old friend Muze will be happy.

[Eros]

If Scott Lang is being resurrected, i am sure our old friend Muze will be happy.


Its just Hank Pym in his ant-man attire.

[Sebastos]

That's a cool cover, and it's great that Bagley will provide the art!

[Mogwai]

First off, I hope that's not an April Fool's joke. Secondly, I'm glad Bagley is drawing an arc that has to do with symbiotes because his design of Venom is my favorite.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm not too keen on the Mighty Avengers vs. symbiotes idea. We've had so much symbiote junk lately with Venorpion appearing in New Thunderbolts, Carnage dying, and Toxic getting a series, not to mention the fact that Venom's gonna be in Spider-Man 3. I wish they'd just lay off the symbiotes for a while.

[Red Mask]

I'm still waiting for a story where the Red Skull gets the Carnage symbiote. ;)

[Kitsune]

I kind of always understood she needed a good slapping once in a while.
a nice pimpslaping,

Shouldn't that be Pympslaping? That would explain why she keeps getting back with Hank.

[Darthphere]

I'm not too keen on the Mighty Avengers vs. symbiotes idea. We've had so much symbiote junk lately with Venorpion appearing in New Thunderbolts, Carnage dying, and Toxic getting a series, not to mention the fact that Venom's gonna be in Spider-Man 3. I wish they'd just lay off the symbiotes for a while.

I don't know, the sound of a Symbiote Army attacking Earth and having some huge battle where predictably speaking one or more of the Mighty Avengers will be infected sounds cool to me.....

If this was 1993 and Todd McFarlane was on art.:o

[TheCorpulent1]

A symbiote should bond with Ares just so I can get the satisfaction of seeing what it would do with his mohawk. :up:

[Darthphere]

A symbiote should bond with Ares just so I can get the satisfaction of seeing what it would do with his mohawk. :up:

Mo Venom?:huh:

[PhotoJones]

Mo Venom?:huh:

the mo venom you got, the mo problems you see.

[Darthphere]

the mo venom you got, the mo problems you see.

I miss Mase.:huh:


Vote Colossal! (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269744)

[PhotoJones]

I miss Mase.:huh:

mase misses us, too.

[Mogwai]

I don't know, the sound of a Symbiote Army attacking Earth and having some huge battle where predictably speaking one or more of the Mighty Avengers will be infected sounds cool to me.....

If this was 1993 and Todd McFarlane was on art.:o

I'm curious to see how the story plays out. From what I read, I think Dr. Doom is supposed to be part of that arc too.

[Varient]

I'm curious to see how the story plays out. From what I read, I think Dr. Doom is supposed to be part of that arc too.

Didn't "Attack of the symbiont's" already happen about a decade ago?

[Sloth7d]

How the hell would the symbiotes give the mighty avengers a challenge? :huh:
They're Spiderman level opponents.
The only thing I can see happening is mass bonding to Avengers, and that would be lame. Seeing as Ironman knows the symbiotes weakness and would never let it get that far.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm not too keen on the Mighty Avengers vs. symbiotes idea. We've had so much symbiote junk lately with Venorpion appearing in New Thunderbolts, Carnage dying, and Toxic getting a series, not to mention the fact that Venom's gonna be in Spider-Man 3. I wish they'd just lay off the symbiotes for a while.


Kind of how I feel about Galactus at the moment. x.x

[lowly marvelite]

Mighty Avengers rooolzzz!!!(even though Tony jumped about 50 points on my major a*^hole meter) Absolutely loved it! Ms. Marvel is going to be a great leader (correction: is a great leader). And, oh yeah, she's very easy on the eyes...Ares is a bada*^! And wasp is a major tramp!! Love'er! I'm not so sure about Tony' assesment of the Sentry... despite his incalculable power, he is a basket case... too fragile mentally. And what if he comes up against someone with tremendous telepathic powers. He could be more of a liabilty than an asset...neverthess, issue one was incredible, I hope it continues...:yay:

[Sloth7d]

Sentry has great mental resistence. He did mindwipe the entire MU.
Even Emma Frost couldn't enter his mind until he let her.

[Kevin]

Sentry vs Phoenix. I would pay to see that... well, I actually wouldn't pay, but whatever.

[Sloth7d]

They should make that a match in the Marvel vs thread.
Only problem is they depower and repower both characters so much, its hard to tell whos stronger.
Though I say Pkoenix since she b**** Galactus before and while Sentry is stated to have gone toe to toe with him too, the details aren't clear.

[deemar325]

I'm just hyped for Mark Bagley plain and simple.

[Sloth7d]

BTW, is #2 out yet. Haven't been to the comic shop recently.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Mighty Avengers rooolzzz!!!(even though Tony jumped about 50 points on my major a*^hole meter) Absolutely loved it! Ms. Marvel is going to be a great leader (correction: is a great leader). And, oh yeah, she's very easy on the eyes...Ares is a bada*^! And wasp is a major tramp!! Love'er! I'm not so sure about Tony' assesment of the Sentry... despite his incalculable power, he is a basket case... too fragile mentally. And what if he comes up against someone with tremendous telepathic powers. He could be more of a liabilty than an asset...neverthess, issue one was incredible, I hope it continues...:yay:

Sentry is actually very stable for the majority of the time. It's just a few appearances in New Avengers that generally have people doubting this, or his power level.

They should make that a match in the Marvel vs thread.
Only problem is they depower and repower both characters so much, its hard to tell whos stronger.
Though I say Pkoenix since she b**** Galactus before and while Sentry is stated to have gone toe to toe with him too, the details aren't clear.

Well, the Phoenix only punked out a Galactus who was low on energy about to feed. And Galactus' upper limits are stated by Eternity himself to be at Eternity's level, and Phoenix is most likely not at Eternity's level (seeing how Eternity is probably just under the Living Tribunal power wise).

BTW, is #2 out yet. Haven't been to the comic shop recently.

And no.

[Mogwai]

BTW, is #2 out yet. Haven't been to the comic shop recently.

April 18th.

[Anubis]

Sentry has great mental resistence. He did mindwipe the entire MU.
Even Emma Frost couldn't enter his mind until he let her.


Not really. After all, freak'n Mastermind is the one that messed him up, and he's not exactly the top mind f**ker in the MU.

Plus, he and Reed built a machine to mindwipe the MU. He didn't do it on his own. That's why his so called psi powers are still kinda iffy.

[DoomJester]

I'm not particularly excited about Bagely, especially because I don't think he is as good an artist as Cho, not only do I not consider him as clean in his layouts, I don't like his aesthetics that much either. I do like that Bagely being on the book means it will probably be out on time. I don't usually like to review a book before it comes out but I am a little worried at all action books, I love an action issue but all action books get me a little worried and I think MA is going to be a power house team that is all action, and NA will be more dramatic. Just me though!

[LouFerignoDemon]

Not really. After all, freak'n Mastermind is the one that messed him up, and he's not exactly the top mind f**ker in the MU.

Plus, he and Reed built a machine to mindwipe the MU. He didn't do it on his own. That's why his so called psi powers are still kinda iffy.

Two different cover stories you've touched upon, both of which needs a reassessment.

The Mastermind's powers work better the more powerful the telepath is.

And the machine was actually more of a recomposition of an old Tempoloran device powered by his own serum. But since they did away with the serum, this idea is probably nonexistant any longer. But if it DID work, it was using two doses of a serum that powers the Sentry, who uses only one dose. So in that case, it's twice as powerful as the Sentry anyway, so no matter how powerful the Sentry is, it's only half as powerful as the device.

[Sloth7d]

Mistress beat me to it.

[Mogwai]

just read issue #2.. good stuff, but i'm sort of confused about what's going on.

[PhotoJones]

just read issue #2.. good stuff, but i'm sort of confused about what's going on.

shortly after the mighty avengers are formed, the mole man attacks new york. in the middle of the battle, iron man's systems are overridden, and his armor transforms into a naked robot woman. jan notices that the robot looks just like her, and after a small chat with it, quickly deduces that it's ultron.

[Red]

The short version is, nothing happened.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it was kind of a weak cliffhanger. I figured out that Ultron looked like Jan immediately after she appeared, just because it makes perfect sense for her to, given that she thinks of Jan as her "mother." Not exactly the strongest thing to end the issue on. Next issue should be good now that they actually know it's Ultron, though.

[Sloth7d]

The sort version is, nothing happened.

Really? I'm still gonna keep hope strong for MA though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Things happened. Just not a lot of things happened in the present. MA #2 was basically like a season of Lost condensed into one issue. There were brief flashes of the present-day stuff, but those basically just served to couch the flashbacks to Ms. Marvel and Iron Man recruiting each of the team's members.

Something I'm curious about: what are the actual names of the Avengers teams now? The way I understand it, the "team" in Avengers: The Initiative is simply the Initiative, following the trainees at Camp Hammond; the team in Mighty Avengers is officially just "the Avengers," since Iron Man has authorized them as the sole Avengers team to act as the example for all the other Intiative teams; and the New Avengers team doesn't really have a name, they're just "those registration-dodging bastards" or, possibly, they're continuing the Secret Avengers tradition from the Civil War. Is that what everyone else got, too?

[PhotoJones]

Things happened. Just not a lot of things happened in the present. MA #2 was basically like a season of Lost condensed into one issue. There were brief flashes of the present-day stuff, but those basically just served to couch the flashbacks to Ms. Marvel and Iron Man recruiting each of the team's members.

Something I'm curious about: what are the actual names of the Avengers teams now? The way I understand it, the "team" in Avengers: The Initiative is simply the Initiative, following the trainees at Camp Hammond; the team in Mighty Avengers is officially just "the Avengers," since Iron Man has authorized them as the sole Avengers team to act as the example for all the other Intiative teams; and the New Avengers team doesn't really have a name, they're just "those registration-dodging bastards" or, possibly, they're continuing the Secret Avengers tradition from the Civil War. Is that what everyone else got, too?

for the most part.

it never really caught on that much to call the new avengers "new" anyway, you know? it always seemed that was in title only; a way to sell books.

as for this new team, i think it's been mentioned that a newspaper gave them the "mighty" moniker, but i don't think it's the "official" team name. i think they're just plain old "avengers". as for the "new" new avengers, i think they still consider themselves to be avengers, even if the "real" team AND the general public might say otherwise.

the initiative team isn't an avengers team at all. that's also on the cover to sell books.

[Sloth7d]

Things happened. Just not a lot of things happened in the present. MA #2 was basically like a season of Lost condensed into one issue. There were brief flashes of the present-day stuff, but those basically just served to couch the flashbacks to Ms. Marvel and Iron Man recruiting each of the team's members.

Something I'm curious about: what are the actual names of the Avengers teams now? The way I understand it, the "team" in Avengers: The Initiative is simply the Initiative, following the trainees at Camp Hammond; the team in Mighty Avengers is officially just "the Avengers," since Iron Man has authorized them as the sole Avengers team to act as the example for all the other Intiative teams; and the New Avengers team doesn't really have a name, they're just "those registration-dodging bastards" or, possibly, they're continuing the Secret Avengers tradition from the Civil War. Is that what everyone else got, too?
They refer to themselves as Avengers. Thats what Luke Cages calls them. Thats what DoctorStrange calls them.

[TheCorpulent1]

All right, I got it. The Mighty Avengers are officially "the Avengers," but the New Avengers consider themselves the "true" Avengers because they never sold out.

[PhotoJones]

All right, I got it. The Mighty Avengers are officially "the Avengers," but the New Avengers consider themselves the "true" Avengers because they never sold out.

that's how i took it.

[LouFerignoDemon]

All right, I got it. The Mighty Avengers are officially "the Avengers," but the New Avengers consider themselves the "true" Avengers because they never sold out.


They didn't sell out. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

I wasn't a fan of this latest issue. The thought bubbles interfered with actual speach and the formula was basically repeats of:

*Ultron-ho says things*
*Ares gets mad and has to be restrained*
*Ms Marvel tries to come up with a plan*

rinse and repeat

[LouFerignoDemon]

Agreed. I mean, I kind of liked the idea, but this issue was...pointless to me. Nothing that could've have been summed out in a quick, "Why'd you join?" amongst each other.

My question is, if Ultron is occupying Iron Man's armor, is s/he using Iron Man's tech?

[Colossal Spoons]

Good question

[PhotoJones]

Agreed. I mean, I kind of liked the idea, but this issue was...pointless to me. Nothing that could've have been summed out in a quick, "Why'd you join?" amongst each other.

My question is, if Ultron is occupying Iron Man's armor, is s/he using Iron Man's tech?

from the looks of it, it appears that any "tech" ultron is using is far superior to that of iron man's.

[Sloth7d]

I wasn't a fan of this latest issue. The thought bubbles interfered with actual speach and the formula was basically repeats of:

*Ultron-ho says things*
*Ares gets mad and has to be restrained*
*Ms Marvel tries to come up with a plan*

rinse and repeat

I wonder why Bendis slowed things down all of a sudden. He started things so fast paced.

[TheCorpulent1]

They didn't sell out. :o
That's open to interpretation, and we already know how each of us interprets it, so it's kind of pointless to belabor the point.

[Red]

My question is, if Ultron is occupying Iron Man's armor, is s/he using Iron Man's tech?

Yes :cwink:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5050/mightavn004colv3jn4.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

On the one hand, that issue looks cool because it's got a bunch of Iron Man's old armors all trying to kill the Mighty Avengers (:)), but on the other hand, they're drawn by Cho (:(). Plus, the whole scene looks like a retread of Ultron Unlimited, only with Iron Men instead of Ultrons. I'm ambivalent. :dry:

[PhotoJones]

On the one hand, that issue looks cool because it's got a bunch of Iron Man's old armors all trying to kill the Mighty Avengers (:)), but on the other hand, they're drawn by Cho (:(). Plus, the whole scene looks like a retread of Ultron Unlimited, only with Iron Men instead of Ultrons. I'm ambivalent. :dry:

you've got to explain this dislike you've got frank cho. i understand the butt shots are cheesy, but i find them tongue in cheek...so to speak...

his style is so crisp and clean. i like it. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I just don't like his style. He supposedly draws some of the hottest women in comics, but I mostly think his women are grotesque and out of proportion. Ms. Marvel's head was way too tiny for her body on the first page of MA #1, and on one of the covers to her own comic, Cho drew her with a thigh the size of a full-grown cow's. It was freaky. I do think he's a decent storyteller and he does render things very crisply and neatly (though there's something to be said for rough lines in the right contexts, too), but I just can't enjoy his work because everything looks so plasticy and out of whack to me.

[PhotoJones]

I just don't like his style. He supposedly draws some of the hottest women in comics, but I mostly think his women are grotesque and out of proportion. Ms. Marvel's head was way too tiny for her body on the first page of MA #1, and on one of the covers to her own comic, Cho drew her with a thigh the size of a full-grown cow's. It was freaky. I do think he's a decent storyteller and he does render things very crisply and neatly (though there's something to be said for rough lines in the right contexts, too), but I just can't enjoy his work because everything looks so plasticy and out of whack to me.

fair enough.

[Red]

I'd like Cho more if he wasn't making the Avengers into a soft porn comic.

[PhotoJones]

I'd like Cho more if he wasn't making the Avengers into a soft porn comic.

you're such a prude. :cwink:

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, he is kind of right. Has there ever been a more transparent ploy to play to the horny adolescents of the fandom than Bendis' Ultron-as-Cho-drawn-chick plot? I think there was even a mention of Ultron being especially enticing because she would be drawn by Cho in one of the solicits.

[Sloth7d]

I'd like Cho more if he wasn't making the Avengers into a soft porn comic.
Ironic because I'd like him more if he did.

[PhotoJones]

Well, he is kind of right. Has there ever been a more transparent ploy to play to the horny adolescents of the fandom than Bendis' Ultron-as-Cho-drawn-chick plot? I think there was even a mention of Ultron being especially enticing because she would be drawn by Cho in one of the solicits.

oh, i know. it just doesn't bother me. i just see it as a wink and a nod to cho's career drawing scantily clad cavewomen. i take it as tongue in cheek. besides, i think the book is meant to be more of a big, fun, silly comic book rather than a serious one.

[TheCorpulent1]

The level of exploitation bugs me. Even with someone like Adam Hughes, who I know is a great artist in general, not just on women, I keep thinking about how their art just validates the perception that comic fans are just pimply-faced horndogs looking at chicks with big boobs. If I wanted an overload of sexual imagery, I'd just watch porn.

[PWN3R]

I'd like Cho more if he wasn't making the Avengers into a soft porn comic.

QFT

Seriously, having to explain this cover to friends who see this and ask me what exactly it is that I'm reading should be fun.

Oh yeah:

http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/004323/MIGHTAVN002_intlo14.jpg

[Sloth7d]

The level of exploitation bugs me. Even with someone like Adam Hughes, who I know is a great artist in general, not just on women, I keep thinking about how their art just validates the perception that comic fans are just pimply-faced horndogs looking at chicks with big boobs. If I wanted an overload of sexual imagery, I'd just watch porn.
BUT CARTOON PORN IS BETTER!

[TheCorpulent1]

To each his own.

perv

[LouFerignoDemon]

from the looks of it, it appears that any "tech" ultron is using is far superior to that of iron man's.

Well, the curiosity, is did it reconfigure his armor to do the things it did? If so, then Ultron is going to be, how you say, nearly impossible to beat when s/he decides to basically rebuild an army of Ultrons in that power level.

That's open to interpretation, and we already know how each of us interprets it, so it's kind of pointless to belabor the point.

A sell out is when someone does something just to be PART of something.

Like if Wonder Man only joined the registration because they flat out told him he's going to be an Avenger, when in truth, he only joined because Carol was there. Or Natasha because she was bored, or Carol because Tony forced her to, or Sentry probably because Tony asked him to, or Ares because he was faced with deportation, or Janet because she was bored as well, or Tony because he felt it was best he was on the premier team.

Sell out reasons, they are not.

JUSTICE was a sellout. He ditched the New Warriors just to become an Avenger, because he liked being an Avenger.

The level of exploitation bugs me. Even with someone like Adam Hughes, who I know is a great artist in general, not just on women, I keep thinking about how their art just validates the perception that comic fans are just pimply-faced horndogs looking at chicks with big boobs. If I wanted an overload of sexual imagery, I'd just watch porn.

Agreed. I see Cho's art so much it basically is like a porn. That, and I see his art so f'ing much that I'm BORED of it.

[Darthphere]

The level of exploitation bugs me. Even with someone like Adam Hughes, who I know is a great artist in general, not just on women, I keep thinking about how their art just validates the perception that comic fans are just pimply-faced horndogs looking at chicks with big boobs. If I wanted an overload of sexual imagery, I'd just watch porn.

Yeah, its sad that they pretty much sold the comic on "Cho draws hot women!" Because the comic is actually pretty good. :csad:

[BrianWilly]

Oh, I like Cho. He's kind of plastic, but he could be plastic-er. I guess there's just...much worse out there.

[Artistsean]

I love his art, but I had to NOT buy this issue. Which bugged me because I want to fallow the story.
But I didn't like how it was an entire comic of a naked woman standing there while the team stared at her.
I mean she barely even moved an inch while she destroyed things around her.

I can't wait till the Mighty Avengers travel back in time to the 70s.

So, since I didn't buy it, did they explain why Ultron turned into a naked woman?

[Mogwai]

So, since I didn't buy it, did they explain why Ultron turned into a naked woman?

Sort of..

[Artistsean]

what was the reason?

[Red Mask]

The cover could have been on Heavy Metal magazine. This comic should have been in Heavy Metal magazine. I miss Adam Hughes's run in Penthouse Comix.

[Mogwai]

ultron is female because it's trying to imitate its 'mother,' jan/wasp.

[TheCorpulent1]

Where did they say that? It looks like Jan, but it's a big jump from Ultron choosing a familiar female form to assuming the reason for its gender switch is to imitate Jan.
Oh, I like Cho. He's kind of plastic, but he could be plastic-er. I guess there's just...much worse out there.
I guess, but I don't exactly use the Liefelds and Turners of the world as my measuring stick.

[Red]

When Ares thinks "This one I could have my way with" is his thought directed at Ms Marvel or Wasp?

[BrianWilly]

Probably Wasp. He doesn't seem to like Carol much.

[chris moore]

The porn references are all a little unnecessary - I mean, you can't see any more nipple or downstairs than any other comicbook female wrapped in spandex. Its just because anything that's not silvery is skintone, and therefore seen only that the silvery metal is just a way of covering the naughtier bits of gratuitous nudity.

Not sure I'm a fan of this yet. I mean, I still can't stand Iron Man. And some of the reasons for members being there are questionable.

Sentry is mentally questionable, so having him on the flagship team of the initiative is a bit of a "waiting for the other shoe to drop right into the nuthouse".

Ares wanted his son to have a normal upbringing, so he became a construction worker; IronMan tells him join up or get out of the states; so instead of raising his kid normal by moving to Europe or the UK, he chooses to be constantly doing what he used to do as God of War?

Wasp and Hank are getting along fine, they're reconciling and for a time moved to Oxford to start afresh, and were side by side during civil war both on and off the field; and all of a sudden she's half bad mouthing him, having nothing to do with the initiative with him, and doesnt even know where he is and refers to him as her ex-husband?

[TheCorpulent1]

Ares just wanted to keep his son away from Zeus and the Olympians' influence. He says as much in the issue he's recruited in. Apparently he thinks being a superhero won't interfere with raising his son, which I can understand. It's not like he might die or anything. He's immortal.

[Red]

No one is truely immortal.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ares is arrogant enough to think he is.

[Harlekin]

I was also quite taken off-guard by the Pym-hatred in this, but then again, Bendis didn't write Pym with much respect before this, in that Chaykin drawn NA. Besides that, this was just a filler issue, which is the more typical Bendis kind of pacing. I was also turned off by the Black Widow characterization. The Black Widow I know is less... cold.

Oh, and Justice didn't sell out at all. When he joined the Avengers the New Warriors were disbanded.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the Black Widow seemed like more of a ***** than I remember her being. Apparently she found out her past was all a sham in that mini-series she had recently (the one with Sienkiewicz covers), so maybe that's why she's colder.

[Red]

You know what the sad thing is, so far the books saving grace is Ares.

[Sloth7d]

Because Ares is like wolverine and Thor mixed in one.
Ironman/Bendis voice:You need a Wolverine. He'll do what the rest of us won't.Eeeeven though that goes against the whole point of registration.

[TheCorpulent1]

How so? The point of registration, as I understand it, is to collect data on superhumans, ensure they have proper training, and then deploy them to most effectively protect the country. In short, the point of registration was to build an army, and armies do have their black ops units.
You know what the sad thing is, so far the books saving grace is Ares.
It would definitely be a lot less enjoyable without Ares. I don't consider that a sad thing, though. Ares is a fun character, and for the last few years I've been pretty jealous of how much more interesting DC made their version by actually using him while Marvel's Ares just collected dust after being a whipping boy for Thor and Hercules. Oeming's mini reinvigorated the character in a way I wouldn't have thought possible. :up:

[Red]

And now because Bendis says so, Ares has Thor/Herc level strength.

[TheCorpulent1]

How have you come to that conclusion? We've only seen Ares manhandle the Mole Man's creatures so far, and even the Thing can do that with ease. All we know is that he's really strong, which he's always been, just not quite up there with Herc or Thor, which was still the rule of thumb as of Oeming's mini.

[Sloth7d]

How so? The point of registration, as I understand it, is to collect data on superhumans, ensure they have proper training, and then deploy them to most effectively protect the country. In short, the point of registration was to build an army, and armies do have their black ops units.


It was to keep the public safe. Thats the whole reason it was started.
Recruiting someonebecause they're like Wolverine, not safe. Neither is making GG a thunderbolts leader. I will never understand some of these hypocritical choices.

[TheCorpulent1]

Recruiting someone like Wolverine is pretty safe, actually. Wolverine's willing to kill, but he directs that lethal force at enemies with the goal of protecting others. Ares is the same, provided he agrees with whoever's telling him to protect people.

I agree 100% on the new Thunderbolts, though. Not the smartest move, making a bunch of villains and psychopaths the only line of defense for some poor state. :o

[PhotoJones]

Recruiting someone like Wolverine is pretty safe, actually. Wolverine's willing to kill, but he directs that lethal force at enemies with the goal of protecting others. Ares is the same, provided he agrees with whoever's telling him to protect people.

I agree 100% on the new Thunderbolts, though. Not the smartest move, making a bunch of villains and psychopaths the only line of defense for some poor state. :o

that's a really good point about wolverine. logan's the type that has no problem with murder, but it's always directed towards those who pose a threat to the well being of everyone else. i would trust my (unborn and nonexistent) child in his care, and not bat an eye. he's crazy for sure, but he's one of the most loyal characters in the marvel universe....come to think of it, he might be THE most loyal character.

[LouFerignoDemon]

How so? The point of registration, as I understand it, is to collect data on superhumans, ensure they have proper training, and then deploy them to most effectively protect the country. In short, the point of registration was to build an army, and armies do have their black ops units.

It would definitely be a lot less enjoyable without Ares. I don't consider that a sad thing, though. Ares is a fun character, and for the last few years I've been pretty jealous of how much more interesting DC made their version by actually using him while Marvel's Ares just collected dust after being a whipping boy for Thor and Hercules. Oeming's mini reinvigorated the character in a way I wouldn't have thought possible. :up:

They DO Have a black ops team, under Carol. And you know Tony will assemble and dissassemble groups.

It was to keep the public safe. Thats the whole reason it was started.
Recruiting someonebecause they're like Wolverine, not safe. Neither is making GG a thunderbolts leader. I will never understand some of these hypocritical choices.

Read it again? That's all I can suggest.

[Sloth7d]

Read it again? That's all I can suggest.
Why? That won't change putting the lives of civillians in the hands of known villains. I don't care if they have been chipped. Thats just out right hypocracy. Think of it in real world standards. I would never want some 400 lb man named Mike to become a police officer after he has shown a history of violence, armed robbery, and terorism even if a C.O. is with him 24 hours a day. No way.


Recruiting Ares because he's like wolverine choice also still bothers me. Though he is a goodguy, another point of SHRA is to make heroes look like heroes to the public again. If they're recruiting Ares because he will most likely try to kill every badguy he faces, how will that accomplish this? Hypocracy.

[Eros]

Recruiting someone like Wolverine is pretty safe, actually. Wolverine's willing to kill, but he directs that lethal force at enemies with the goal of protecting others. Ares is the same, provided he agrees with whoever's telling him to protect people.

I agree 100% on the new Thunderbolts, though. Not the smartest move, making a bunch of villains and psychopaths the only line of defense for some poor state. :o

We are talking about Ares former god of war, who got his kicks[for thousands of years] seeing[and always makeing] countries kill each other in needless wars?:huh: So ruthless, his own vengefull mother and adulterer father hated him, so ruthless Hades lord of the underworld thought he was alittle to violent?:huh: Ares may have settled down now, him haveing a kid and all, but hes still a nut job whos whacks off to people killing each other and bloody fights. wolverine was goverment super agent, who had his memory messed with, but he never loved to see needless death, and ofcourse Thor was a hero long before he became an avenger.

[Artistsean]

Did they ever mention who they are getting away with putting known villians like Venom, Bullseye, and Norman Osborne (known by the public as the Green Goblin) in the Thunderbolts and passing them off as heroes (without changing their names and costumes)?

Aslo I think it is mentioned that Stark didn't exactly want Ares on the team. He just needed a Thor (powerful god) type, and a Wolverine (someone to do the killing stuff that had to be done and wouldn't hesitate, probably so Stark and others could stay clean too). But Thor was unavailable. And Ares was a Wolverine and a Thor. So that sort of makes sence, plus the public doesn't know for sure if Ares is the actual factual god of war. Not for sure. Plus Stark doesn't know him really. He may eventually regret taking Ares onto the team.


I can't wait to see what the story line for the time travel to the 70s is. I was thinking what if Stark deperately tries to stop Stamford and the Civil War from happening by warning the past Avengers (including Captain America and his past Iron Man self, of coarse without revealing the details like the deaths.)

[Varient]

I'd like Cho more if he wasn't making the Avengers into a soft porn comic.

"Soft Porn?"

I admit he draws alotta rear shots of the women in the avengers,....

And he always has Ms Marvels wedgie one flex from happening,....

But he hasn't done any gratuitous(sp) bend over or "spread" shots and I've yet to see anybody on her back,....''


eah yeah,.. I know "TMI V,.. TMI,.... but this is more a "picturebook" than a story.

[BrianWilly]

Why? That won't change putting the lives of civillians in the hands of known villains. I don't care if they have been chipped. Thats just out right hypocracy. Think of it in real world standards. I would never want some 400 lb man named Mike to become a police officer after he has shown a history of violence, armed robbery, and terorism even if a C.O. is with him 24 hours a day. No way.Exactly.

In the real world, no one is going to be okay with convicted felons blowing sht up in their cities. They're not rehabilitated, they're not repentant, most of them are diagnosed with mental illnesses that we barely have names for...and everyone is just okay with them walking in broad daylight with their children? And they're giving slews of liberties and leeway; all that Swordman had to do to get a bit of privacy with a captured target was to ask for it! You throw in, "No it's okay, they're controlled by government nanites!" and it would only make the fear and outrage even worse.

[Artistsean]

I'm just waiting for the whole Thunderbolts thing to blow up in the face of Tony Stark and those controlling them.
I can see the team suddenly out of Tony's control because the ninites either just stopped working or because Norman found a way around them.

So then you got this ultra powerful team of villians running around as a team and out of the governments control.

I think thats what is eventually going to happen.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Why? That won't change putting the lives of civillians in the hands of known villains. I don't care if they have been chipped. Thats just out right hypocracy. Think of it in real world standards. I would never want some 400 lb man named Mike to become a police officer after he has shown a history of violence, armed robbery, and terorism even if a C.O. is with him 24 hours a day. No way.


Recruiting Ares because he's like wolverine choice also still bothers me. Though he is a goodguy, another point of SHRA is to make heroes look like heroes to the public again. If they're recruiting Ares because he will most likely try to kill every badguy he faces, how will that accomplish this? Hypocracy.
(I swear, by the end of next week, I will be forced to go to my father and say, "You're right. I admit defeat.")


Why? Because you forgot the EXTREMELY important part of how the Thunderbolts can function. The whole thing that keeps them working on the side of angels. The nanites actually work.


It's not hypocrisy. It would be hypocritical if they set the Thunderbolts loose to do whatever they want. Or better yet, hypocritical if after they got licenses, EVERYBODY got to go do what they want, damn the consequences, with no reprocussions for them.

Utilizing people who are controlled to save human lives is not a hypocritical act in the SHRA. The SHRA's only job is to make sure that unregistered superhumans are either captured, or registered through superhuman force if necessary. That's it. I don't know where people are getting all this stuff where apparently it says, "And no villan shall every work for the Initiative"

And I like how you pushed the view of Ares, I wondered when someone was.

Here's the deal. We haven't seen much of Ares on a team. We see him TRYING to kill, and we see his team continually keeping him in place, until he breaks free, and Ms. Marvel threatens to bench him, which is a form of control.

I just have this feeling Ares will WANT to kill, but will kind of be forced NOT to kill.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Exactly.

In the real world, no one is going to be okay with convicted felons blowing sht up in their cities. They're not rehabilitated, they're not repentant, most of them are diagnosed with mental illnesses that we barely have names for...and everyone is just okay with them walking in broad daylight with their children? And they're giving slews of liberties and leeway; all that Swordman had to do to get a bit of privacy with a captured target was to ask for it! You throw in, "No it's okay, they're controlled by government nanites!" and it would only make the fear and outrage even worse.


I like how you say slews of leeway, when their in chains most of the time. And Swordsman STILL couldn't kill the guy due to the nanites.

I like people's fundamental lack of understanding situations.

[BrianWilly]

Did you read the issue at all? He asked the guards to go out of the room and then further tortured the already-permanently crippled and helpless captive. It is exactly the sort of leeway that they shouldn't have!

I don't remember the last time in this series that they were in chains.

[Sloth7d]

(I swear, by the end of next week, I will be forced to go to my father and say, "You're right. I admit defeat.")


Why? Because you forgot the EXTREMELY important part of how the Thunderbolts can function. The whole thing that keeps them working on the side of angels. The nanites actually work.


It's not hypocrisy. It would be hypocritical if they set the Thunderbolts loose to do whatever they want. Or better yet, hypocritical if after they got licenses, EVERYBODY got to go do what they want, damn the consequences, with no reprocussions for them.

Utilizing people who are controlled to save human lives is not a hypocritical act in the SHRA. The SHRA's only job is to make sure that unregistered superhumans are either captured, or registered through superhuman force if necessary. That's it. I don't know where people are getting all this stuff where apparently it says, "And no villan shall every work for the Initiative"

Its not the thunderbolts. Its a group of villains forced to be thunderbolts who could snap at any minute. We've already seen there is someway around those nanites already and with villains like Tracer and Ultron hybernating out their these nanites can easily be compromised.
And again the whole building blocks of SHRA was because public outcry demanded they feel safer and have government trained heroes with a lower risk of collamity. How does having several convicted assassins and murderers save the public against their will seem safe? Ridiculous.

As I said I would never want an convicted terrorist to become an officer of the law no matter how well guarded he is. Even that one lady who's child died(whats her face) is shady about the whole villains angle.

I mean if Tony even could learn from past events he should clearly see how dumb this is. The conversation for this idea must have gone like this-

Tony Stark: Hey y'know what'd be a good idea. Recruiting ex-cons against their will to save people.

Reed Richards: Yes becausewe've seen in the past that forcing someone against their will to do something always works out. Like how they collared the mutants to do things against their will. Its not like that plan backfired on the people who did that to them.

Tony: Yeah, lolz. Or like the time Hank made Ultron. Its not like Ultron overcame its failsafe and became a badguy.

Reed: Yep. And Eddie Brock/Venom surely didn't find a way around the failsafe the government put in him to make him work for them. Its not like he did and Spiderman had to come save their asses in Venom:Finale#3. Nope that never happened.

Tony: Yep, not like Spiderman overrode the failsafe I put in his ironspider costume. I'm pretty sure it worked and I captured him. He's definately not on the New avengers roster. Nope. Nu-uh. Noway.

Reed: Yep. History assures us that this will not backfire. Its the safest thing for the public, 100%.

Seriously though, history has shown this plan will 100% fail further down the line.

And I like how you pushed the view of Ares, I wondered when someone was.

Here's the deal. We haven't seen much of Ares on a team. We see him TRYING to kill, and we see his team continually keeping him in place, until he breaks free, and Ms. Marvel threatens to bench him, which is a form of control.

I just have this feeling Ares will WANT to kill, but will kind of be forced NOT to kill.

But whats the point of having a guy who lut for murder so on the Avengers if you support SHRA so much? Wouldn't you want someone powerful yet moral. And if you have to recruit Ares wouldn't it make more sense to have him train new recruits in the initiative? He IS the god of freakin war. He can do a much better job than any earthling. He's been around doing the war thing for some 1000 years. This way keep him away from the public and use him asefficiently as possible.

[Locs]

All mighty, is this another all whitey team? I'll pass.

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Rascist

[PhotoJones]

Apparently I missed this, but the Sentry's wife is kicking the bucket at the hands of Ultron in Mighty Avengers #5.

Here's a link for anyone that hasn't read the solicits or somehow missed it anyhow:

http://www.pulpsecret.com/episode/pulpsecret_21

[Upset Spideyfan]

Was I the only one that caught Ares' 300-esque lines?


Any way, good issue, would have liked a bit more to have happened, but can't complain that there wasn't any action. I thought Bendis' got a bit of a better handle on the characters this time around. They weren't as needlessly chatty as they were in #1.

Rascist


Pretty much. Doesn't get much more blatant than that.

[Upset Spideyfan]

whoops. Ignore.

[Varient]

Rascist

racist

r - a - c - i - s - t.


one "s" not two.

Other than that,.. no comment.

[Colossal Spoons]

Apparently I missed this, but the Sentry's wife is kicking the bucket at the hands of Ultron in Mighty Avengers #5.

Here's a link for anyone that hasn't read the solicits or somehow missed it anyhow:

http://www.pulpsecret.com/episode/pulpsecret_21

Maaan, there goes Bob's short-lived mental stability.

[Blaktin America]

his wife is probably the void anyway

[KingOfDreams]

I almost decided to pass on this series because Bendis' storytelling can be overly wordy and convulated within a single issue but I gave it another shot and this book is good beyond Cho's art.

[Colossal Spoons]

everybody hatin on Cho :(

[Upset Spideyfan]

I like Cho. He's got his weak points (some of his T & A stuff is a bit too obvious) but his art is almost always consistently good.

[PhotoJones]

everybody hatin on Cho :(

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I can't help but wonder if Cho is the new Bendis on these boards.

[Artistsean]

I like Cho, just wish he did more stuff that was less T&A and more like issue #1 of Mighty Avengers. Maybe even a little less T&A than that.
Because his style is great, his linework and his facial expressions and anatomy.

[Anubis]

I don't think he does enough T&A myself. Well, He needs to do more A, but keep the same output of T.

[bkhedr]

Will keep reading and was pretty excited after #1 but #2 was a waste of my time.

Someone said it before and I have to agree, this is more a picture book than a story.

Bendis succeeds in not advancing the story at all in a whole issue. His forte it would seem.

I had hoped we'd get some explanation for why Ultron decided he wanted to be a naked Janet Van Dyne (besides the obvious naked woman + cho art = sales angle) but we got nothing.

"Because I love you"

Come on

Bendis' Ultron is all wrong.

I will keep reading, for the same reason that I kept reading NA. I am waiting for the good part that I hope is just around the corner

[Anubis]

That's a stupid reason to keep wasting your money.

[PhotoJones]

Will keep reading and was pretty excited after #1 but #2 was a waste of my time.

Someone said it before and I have to agree, this is more a picture book than a story.

Bendis succeeds in not advancing the story at all in a whole issue. His forte it would seem.

I had hoped we'd get some explanation for why Ultron decided he wanted to be a naked Janet Van Dyne (besides the obvious naked woman + cho art = sales angle) but we got nothing.

"Because I love you"

Come on

Bendis' Ultron is all wrong.

I will keep reading, for the same reason that I kept reading NA. I am waiting for the good part that I hope is just around the corner

It's not Bendis' characterization of Ultron that's off. Remember, Ultron's got Hank Pym's personality. I actually liked that line. It's fitting.

[bkhedr]

That's a stupid reason to keep wasting your money.

I know :csad:

[bkhedr]

It's not Bendis' characterization of Ultron that's off. Remember, Ultron's got Hank Pym's personality. I actually liked that line. It's fitting.

I don't know. Nothing about this newest Ultron feels right so far. Maybe its the appearance that's throwing me off.

[TheCorpulent1]

Um, Ultron's got Hank Pym's brain engrams, and he developed his own personality based on those in the same way the Vision developed his own personality based on the engrams of Wonder Man and Alex Lipton. Just trying to be clear so the "Hank Pym is the Scourge of All Humanity" camp doesn't take Ultron's relation to Hank as more ammo. :o

[bkhedr]

Quite right

Why didn't I say that? :huh:

I knew that!

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't think he does enough T&A myself. Well, He needs to do more A, but keep the same output of T.

Co-signed!

[Red]

Preview for issue 3

http://www.popcultureshock.com/mighty-avengers-3-preview/41584/

[Darthphere]

Sentry, doing something? Wha?!

[PhotoJones]

For some reason, that website's blocked here at work. Can someone post the preview here? Pretty please?

[Red]

DRAGONZORD!

http://apesandbabes.com/frankchoforum/viewtopic.php?t=2090

[Harlekin]

Based on the MA #3 preview, I really do have to agree. Bendis doesn't know how to write Ultron.

[Darthphere]

But this is Ultron, with boobs. This Ultron can't drive and its place is in the kitchen.

[PhotoJones]

But this is Ultron, with boobs. This Ultron can't drive and its place is in the kitchen.

Not only is it's place in kitchen; but it's place is in the kitchen making me a sandwich.

[Darthphere]

What do you tell an Ultron with two black eyes?

:csad:

[PhotoJones]

Nothin', you done told it twice! :woot:

[BrianWilly]

For some reason, I'd always pictured Jan with more...smallish boobs. Perky, but smallish, like one of those envogue supermodels. See nakedUltronJan with those ginormous swinging melons is a bit...well, unJanlike.

Maybe that's the Jan that Hank wished Jan could be.

[The_Mystery]

Y'know, I like Bendis. I really do. I collect both Avengers titles and, before my pull list grew too big, I used to collect Ultimate Spider-Man, but I swear that dude doesn't know how to forgive to save his life. He still is holding on to this "Henry Pym is a d**K for hitting a woman" mentality. Yes, I know it's horrible to strike a woman, especially your wife, but damn that was during the 70's and he had a major mental breakdown. Let it go dude, he's grown alot since then.

[TheCorpulent1]

For some reason, I'd always pictured Jan with more...smallish boobs. Perky, but smallish, like one of those envogue supermodels. See nakedUltronJan with those ginormous swinging melons is a bit...well, unJanlike.

Maybe that's the Jan that Hank wished Jan could be.
Not to mention clothedActualJan with her comparably ginormous swinging melons. It's just a symptom of Cho's cheesecake art: every woman is Power Girl. A tiresome, overused symptom.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually, funpart was, Jan had smaller boobs than Jantron.

[Eros]

Hank Pym better lock that down again.

[Red Mask]

Preview for issue 3

http://www.popcultureshock.com/mighty-avengers-3-preview/41584/

:heart: the nod to Steranko.

[Mogwai]

looks great :)

[Prognosticator]

I think I'm going to skip reading Mighty Avengers, but instead read this thread....so please, post more pics from the comic!!!

[Blaktin America]

Wow prognosticator either you trust us or you are super cheap.

[Anubis]

Nah, that bastards just cheap.

[bkhedr]

Based on the MA #3 preview, I really do have to agree. Bendis doesn't know how to write Ultron.

Bendis doesnt know how to write alot of people.

I also have doubts about his Ares.

[Red]

His Ares lacks all the nobility that Oeming gave him.

[bkhedr]

Yeah

instead of being the GOD of war he's just an angry goon

I'm acctually glad Bendis doesnt like Thor. That way I dont have to suffer when everytime the Odinson is on panel we get a thought balloon that says "damn"

really insightful that is.

[PhotoJones]

I actually like his Ares. The only character that seems "off" to me is Janet. Issue #2 was a little better than #1 in terms of her characterization, but I still think he doesn't know what to do with her.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Black Widow seems all kinds of off to me. Granted, her attitude may have changed in her last mini-series, which I didn't read, but she seems very far removed from the leader of the post-Operation: Galactic Storm Avengers.

[PhotoJones]

The Black Widow seems all kinds of off to me. Granted, her attitude may have changed in her last mini-series, which I didn't read, but she seems very far removed from the leader of the post-Operation: Galactic Storm Avengers.

Yeah, you're right. I had completely forgotten she's on the team.

[Upset Spideyfan]

I know Ultron's characterization is off right now, but (and I may be giving Bendis way too much credit here) I'm wondering if something's gone wrong with his programming or something to set him off like this.

[Blaktin America]

The God of War not in a leadership position should be a foolhardy goon. He can't pull strings, so why not make him the immortal version of Scrappy Cornelius Doo? "Lemme at 'em!"

[Mogwai]

I've liked Jan is the series thus far. She's supposed to be getting some kind of a power upgrade in this arc (according to Bendis).

[LouFerignoDemon]

His Ares lacks all the nobility that Oeming gave him.

What pisses me off, is that Ares is being treated on the Avengers much like how Thor was. Both were good thinking calculating experts, but when you throw them on the Avengers, they're just mindless blood thirsty idiots.

The Black Widow seems all kinds of off to me. Granted, her attitude may have changed in her last mini-series, which I didn't read, but she seems very far removed from the leader of the post-Operation: Galactic Storm Avengers.

She is. But she did change.
I know Ultron's characterization is off right now, but (and I may be giving Bendis way too much credit here) I'm wondering if something's gone wrong with his programming or something to set him off like this.

This actually wouldn't be the first time Ultron just made a complete change. So I'm not as suprised as most others. We really haven't seen hir intentions het.

[TheCorpulent1]

The God of War not in a leadership position should be a foolhardy goon. He can't pull strings, so why not make him the immortal version of Scrappy Cornelius Doo? "Lemme at 'em!"
Because that... sucks? :confused:

[Blaktin America]

I can't complain. My favorite character has a brilliant science mind that never gets used and he gets goaded into revealing his face on national tv. I am numb to true characterization.

[Valechan]

Just read the first two issues and I must say I did like them, except for Black Widow who seems to have forgotten her past history and character before joining the team. Ares being on Earth isn't totally unplausible, since Olimpians have more than once defied Dad Zeus' wishes and stayed on Earth for varied periods of time, heck Zeus used to stay with the mortals so often half his children are of mortal descent...

Anyway, what truly annoys me a lot is that they keep calling the villain "ultron" when it is painfully obvious it's Jocasta... I mean, Ultron programming, looks like Janet, can access Tony's armor... it's Jocasta all the way!!!!

[Kitsune]

Just read the first two issues and I must say I did like them, except for Black Widow who seems to have forgotten her past history and character before joining the team. Ares being on Earth isn't totally unplausible, since Olimpians have more than once defied Dad Zeus' wishes and stayed on Earth for varied periods of time, heck Zeus used to stay with the mortals so often half his children are of mortal descent...

Anyway, what truly annoys me a lot is that they keep calling the villain "ultron" when it is painfully obvious it's Jocasta... I mean, Ultron programming, looks like Janet, can access Tony's armor... it's Jocasta all the way!!!!

Since when has Jocasta been in love with Wasp?

[TheCorpulent1]

While I think it's pretty clear that it's meant to be Ultron and not Jocasta, why the Mighty Avengers don't consider that it might be Jocasta confuses me, too. Several members of the MA have run across Jocasta on several occasions, and this metallic Jan clearly fits all of the requirements. Seems odd that they'd act like they're totally in the dark when the being they're confronted with is far from unprecedented.

[PhotoJones]

To be fair, I can't remember the last Ultron OR Jocasta morphed/melted out of Iron Man. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's never happened.

[TheCorpulent1]

True, but I can remember a few times where Ultron hacked into technology and used it against the Avengers. It just seemed like the Mighty Avengers were a little too clueless in this arc, although I guess you could chalk it up to shock from the weird situation. You'd think a team solely comprising very experienced combat/superhero veterans would be past the too-shocked-to-think-logically thing, though.

[PhotoJones]

True, but I can remember a few times where Ultron hacked into technology and used it against the Avengers. It just seemed like the Mighty Avengers were a little too clueless in this arc, although I guess you could chalk it up to shock from the weird situation. You'd think a team solely comprising very experienced combat/superhero veterans would be past the too-shocked-to-think-logically thing, though.

It didn't bother me. No matter who you are, you'd be a little flustered if you were facing something that withstood the Sentry.

[bkhedr]

One word

Korvac

[Kitsune]

Personally I think it would have been Cooler if Clor got taken over by Ultron.

[TheCorpulent1]

That would've been cooler. Or, better yet, if Clor had been turned into a weapon for Ultron. That way you retain the classic villainy of Ultron and you add a new wrinkle to said villainy in the form of a "son" who'll finally do what Ultron wants him to.

[PhotoJones]

That would've been cooler. Or, better yet, if Clor had been turned into a weapon for Ultron. That way you retain the classic villainy of Ultron and you add a new wrinkle to said villainy in the form of a "son" who'll finally do what Ultron wants him to.

That's a good idea. Anyone miss Busiek's Ultron?

"We would have words with Thee."

[Kitsune]

That would've been cooler. Or, better yet, if Clor had been turned into a weapon for Ultron. That way you retain the classic villainy of Ultron and you add a new wrinkle to said villainy in the form of a "son" who'll finally do what Ultron wants him to.
That would be rather cool... and they could still do that. I want to see Clor battle the real deal.

[Valechan]

Why can't Jocasta be in love with herself now? She is Janet so by saying to her "I took your form because I love you" it could be interpreted as "I love myself a lot". Jocasta used to "work" for Tony Stark in the old Iron Man vol 3 series, she had complete access to any and all Stark technology. Ultron did take over the "conscient" around that time too. What I'm saying is, if this isn't Jocasta and it truly is Ultron, then what's the point of re-creating the story of Jocasta with a new twist?? It'd be pretty pathethic if it truly was Ultron.

And Busiek's Ultron was THE Ultron. Avengers vol3 19-22 were just glorious... If only he had been put to rest right then and there like originally planned he would've passed to history as one badass villain. This constant resurrections annoy everyone.

[Darthphere]

Um people, its about ****ing sales. What sells more books?

"The Mighty Avengers fight Ultron!"

or

"The Mighty Avengers fight Jocasta!"

No more needs to be said.

[bkhedr]

That's a good idea. Anyone miss Busiek's Ultron?

"We would have words with Thee."

Best

Line

Ever

and Busiek's Ultron rocked.

Also that's a great idea Corp. Too good for Bendis to come up with

[TheCorpulent1]

That would be rather cool... and they could still do that. I want to see Clor battle the real deal.
We will. JMS or Joe Q or one of them has said that Clor will be coming back in Thor's comic, and I can't see him coming back in anything other than an antagonistic role. I wonder what his actual name will be...

[Red]

Steve.

[PhotoJones]

Clor's real name should be Gary. Or G.A.R.Y. with some witty acronym that I'm too lazy to think up right now.

[Red]

Oh I got it, how about Barney.

[PhotoJones]

Oh I got it, how about Barney.

Nah, Gary's better.

[Red]

Think about it...

Thor: And what does thou impostor call himself?

Clor: Barney.

[Blaktin America]

Barney gets my vote

[Sebastos]

Page for #4 :yay:

http://marvel.com//i/content/st/728new_storyimage7706462_full.jpg

[Nasty-B]

Wonderman can fly and breathe in space?

[Sebastos]

I guess so...

[Kevin]

I really like the Red Jacket look.

[PhotoJones]

So can Simon only fly...sometimes?

[Vanguard07]

It's been part of his standard set of abilities for a while now. He can fly, he's got instantaneous reflexes, he's nearly as strong as thor, he's invulnerable, he doesnt need to eat drink or breathe (but he does cause he likes da taste)
he's got some mediocre acting ability, he comes back to life regularly.

I never really saw any indication that he was depowered. I mean he was batted away by one of the monsters in #1 but in that same issue it showed him flying back and flying through that same monster moments later.

I just think that unlike most flyers he actually keeps his feet on the ground most of the time instead of always being in the air because he can.

[Mogwai]

I can't get enough of Cho's art.

[Sebastos]

Yeah I like Cho's art too.

[Darthphere]

So can Simon only fly...sometimes?

He could always fly. He flew in the first issue. Which is why Carol was carrying him is so perplexing.

[Sebastos]

He could always fly. He flew in the first issue. Which is why Carol was carrying him is so perplexing.

I didn't read #1, cause my LCS was sold out of it. But wasn't it said that he lost his powers temporarily and that's the reason she was carrying him?

[Darthphere]

Nope.

[Sebastos]

Oh, ok. I wasn't sure about it.

[chris moore]

Hell, he doesnt even go Ionic anymore when he powers up - so I guess any aspect of his powers is up for changing with this new team

[Anubis]

The only reason he doesn't is because Cho doesn't like drawing the ionic form, but he likes the safari jacket. If it wasn't for the ample asses he draws, i'd call him an idiot.

[PhotoJones]

He could always fly. He flew in the first issue. Which is why Carol was carrying him is so perplexing.

I know that Simon could always fly, but like you said, he's shown being carried in #1. So...what's the deal on that? Does the little guy get tuckered out quickly, or something? I'm assuming this another "Bendis power error" and it's going to take the better part of a year for this to be explained.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't mind Simon's costume change. I wish we'd gotten some explanation for it, since the ionic look seemed to be an inherent part of his powers ever since his resurrection, but maybe that'll come in time. Or maybe not. I honestly don't really care about Wonder Man at all anymore. Somewhere along the line he became incredibly boring to me.

[Darthphere]

I know that Simon could always fly, but like you said, he's shown being carried in #1. So...what's the deal on that? Does the little guy get tuckered out quickly, or something? I'm assuming this another "Bendis power error" and it's going to take the better part of a year for this to be explained.

I don't think there is anything to explain. Cho probably thought it would be funny.:huh:

[Red]

Cho said over at his site that Simon would appear in his ionic form.

[Anubis]

Well, problem solved.

[Kevin]

Problem added. Ionic is ugly.:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Who cares? From a storytelling standpoint, it's a bigger problem for Simon's powers to inexplicably change than for his appearance to be unsightly to you.

[Kevin]

Well I care. I'm not gonna read about a purple looking whatever. Yeah, I do base my reading off of how character's looks. I don't want to see it, I won't want to read it. Simple, really. And I'm sorry te power thing bother's you, but something like that has never, and will never, matter to me. As long as I'm into the story, they could be as weak or strong as they want to be. The story, and the character's are what matter to me.

[PhotoJones]

Who cares? From a storytelling standpoint, it's a bigger problem for Simon's powers to inexplicably change than for his appearance to be unsightly to you.

Exactly. One second he can fly and the next he has to be carried. That's not right.

[Anubis]

Well I care. I'm not gonna read about a purple looking whatever. Yeah, I do base my reading off of how character's looks. I don't want to see it, I won't want to read it. Simple, really.


So the rest of us should suffer because you have crappy taste? I don't think so CB.

[Kevin]

So the rest of us should suffer because you have crappy taste? I don't think so CB.
Who the hell said Anyone should suffer? Am I the one writing or drawing the book? No, so my preference does not matter. I like a character to look one way, just like others like a character to look. People don't like the red jacket, just like I don't like the ionic look.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well I care. I'm not gonna read about a purple looking whatever. Yeah, I do base my reading off of how character's looks. I don't want to see it, I won't want to read it. Simple, really. And I'm sorry te power thing bother's you, but something like that has never, and will never, matter to me. As long as I'm into the story, they could be as weak or strong as they want to be. The story, and the character's are what matter to me.
To each his own. Not reading a book because you don't like a character's design seems dumb to me, but if it matters to you, great. I've never understood how people can happily accept serialized stories with no internal consistency whatsoever, but I've moved past that since it's inevitable in any unending serial with lots of different creators. Different creators have different views on characters' powers and write them as such. Sometimes they go the extra mile and explain why their version has different powers from other creators' versions, sometimes they don't; clearly, the people in charge of Marvel believe it's the creators' prerogative to portray the characters however they like rather than making them beholden to a set model for power levels.

[Anubis]

Who the hell said Anyone should suffer? Am I the one writing or drawing the book? No, so my preference does not matter. I like a character to look one way, just like others like a character to look. People don't like the red jacket, just like I don't like the ionic look.

Sorry, but Cho isn't here, so you are offical resposible for this because you share his opinion. :o

[Blaktin America]

so is he "Choboy" now?

[Kevin]

so is he "Choboy" now?
Well, It's better than comicboy.:cwink:

[Kevin]

To each his own. Not reading a book because you don't like a character's design seems dumb to me, but if it matters to you, great. I've never understood how people can happily accept serialized stories with no internal consistency whatsoever, but I've moved past that since it's inevitable in any unending serial with lots of different creators. Different creators have different views on characters' powers and write them as such. Sometimes they go the extra mile and explain why their version has different powers from other creators' versions, sometimes they don't; clearly, the people in charge of Marvel believe it's the creators' prerogative to portray the characters however they like rather than making them beholden to a set model for power levels.
I'm not saying that I'd completely not read a book if I hate how they look, I'm saying it makes me like it more if I like what they're wearing. All I really, truly, care about is if the writing is good, and if the art goes well with it.

[Mogwai]

What did everyone think of #3? Does anyone have any clue as to what's going on with Tony Stark?

[Sloth7d]

We already know he's not dead thats for sure.
And I'm tired of Bendis Bull$#!+ writing. The Sentry struggling to lift the shield craft?!!!!! Boooooooooo!!!!!!!!
On a different note I never knew Tigra and Pym wre involved. Never knew Pym was into beastality. I guess the reason he smacks his wife is because her wings aren't real.

[Mogwai]

what?! they're fake?

[Sloth7d]

I dunno, but I felt like saying that to support my lame joke.

[TheCorpulent1]

"They're real, and they're spectacular."