Superboy

[dark_sentinel]

Before the bashing begins, just hear me out. I've liked the character of the modern age Superboy for two reasons: a) He's more conflicted than Superman and b) Superboy's a bit of a smart-mouth when it comes to his "superhero" work.

For a while now I've been thinking about how Superboy (not Jason White!) would work in the SR continuity. Well, if you remember from SR when Superman lifts his hand after unknowingly touching the kryptonite ore in Lex's landmass his fingers are bleeding. Now this would involve a bit more retconning but le's theorize that Lex was able to obtain a bit of Superman's blood (or hair or whatever, some piece of Superman's genetic material) and after being foiled in SR came up with another plan: using Superman's DNA and the money he swindled from Gertrude, he begins Project Cadmus with the help of Dr. Paul Westfield.

Now i'm more than aware that Superboy was created by Project Cadmus after Superman's death, so Superboy's origin would change somewhat to conform to the SR continuity. Instead of being created with the purpose of replacing Superman after his death, Superboy would be created as a weapon to destroy Superman. So the movie would follow Superboy's journey from Superman's intended assassin to Superman's ally, eventually leading to him being christened Kon-El at the end and possibly allowing for a spinoff movie series (if this isn't one already lol)

If anyone's interested I'd be more than happy to post more details, as this is only a very rough sketch of the background and plot.

[Eros]

They already have Jason, for the "super boy" department. Anything else is uneccassary and redundant.

[Showtime]

Before the bashing begins, just hear me out. I've liked the character of the modern age Superboy for two reasons: a) He's more conflicted than Superman and b) Superboy's a bit of a smart-mouth when it comes to his "superhero" work.

For a while now I've been thinking about how Superboy (not Jason White!) would work in the SR continuity. Well, if you remember from SR when Superman lifts his hand after unknowingly touching the kryptonite ore in Lex's landmass his fingers are bleeding. Now this would involve a bit more retconning but le's theorize that Lex was able to obtain a bit of Superman's blood (or hair or whatever, some piece of Superman's genetic material) and after being foiled in SR came up with another plan: using Superman's DNA and the money he swindled from Gertrude, he begins Project Cadmus with the help of Dr. Paul Westfield.

Now i'm more than aware that Superboy was created by Project Cadmus after Superman's death, so Superboy's origin would change somewhat to conform to the SR continuity. Instead of being created with the purpose of replacing Superman after his death, Superboy would be created as a weapon to destroy Superman. So the movie would follow Superboy's journey from Superman's intended assassin to Superman's ally, eventually leading to him being christened Kon-El at the end and possibly allowing for a spinoff movie series (if this isn't one already lol)

If anyone's interested I'd be more than happy to post more details, as this is only a very rough sketch of the background and plot.

Your idea is solid in its own right, but wouldn't work in the realm of Returns. The DNA would most likely be used to create Bizzaro.

[dark_sentinel]

you're quite right showtime, but Superman's DNA was used to create Superboy as well. Bizzaro is a degenerate clone of Superman while Superboy is a partial clone. this could be explained easily: the DNA that Lex obtained was highly contaminated by the kryptonite shard that Lex used to stab Superman with, thereby creating Bizzaro (i know thats not how it happened in the comics but i'm just thinking in terms of the film universe for now) but Kryptonian DNA is similar enough to human DNA that human DNA could be grafted onto it in order to stabilize it and neutralize its degenerative nature, thereby creating Superboy.

the above situation would actually function as a separate Superboy spinoff movie now that i think about it (albeit the plot will have to be more developed but it could work). one of Superboy's "titles" in the comics was Project 13, so i guess Bizzaro could be the failed Project 12. i'm really just freewriting at this point lol but i'll stop now

[Showtime]

you're quite right showtime, but Superman's DNA was used to create Superboy as well. Bizzaro is a degenerate clone of Superman while Superboy is a partial clone. this could be explained easily: the DNA that Lex obtained was highly contaminated by the kryptonite shard that Lex used to stab Superman with, thereby creating Bizzaro (i know thats not how it happened in the comics but i'm just thinking in terms of the film universe for now) but Kryptonian DNA is similar enough to human DNA that human DNA could be grafted onto it in order to stabilize it and neutralize its degenerative nature, thereby creating Superboy.

the above situation would actually function as a separate Superboy spinoff movie now that i think about it (albeit the plot will have to be more developed but it could work). one of Superboy's "titles" in the comics was Project 13, so i guess Bizzaro could be the failed Project 12. i'm really just freewriting at this point lol but i'll stop now

You know your stuff, and it certainly could work. Do I think they will do something like that? Probably not, but it' has merit.

[dark_sentinel]

You know your stuff, and it certainly could work. Do I think they will do something like that? Probably not, but it' has merit.

thats actually surprising to hear, since i havent read one Superboy comic. i just know everything from reading up on it. i think Conner (as Superboy) is a much more interesting character than Clark (as Superman)personally; he's able to be more relaxed and a little cocky at times as opposed to Superman's almost over-exaggerated nobility.

and yeah, it most likely wouldnt happen, but it'd be a fun movie to see IMO. i should start on the screenplay :woot:

[IzzyJG99]

That whole Jason White thing ruined the entire movie any any future movies, really.

[daywalker2007]

great ideas but unfortunately singer and his hack team of idiot morons called "dougherty and harris" do not have the mental capacity to think of such stories or use these

expect a sequel with 1 single villian, and some crappy scenes

dont expect any action with fight scenes etc

singer and his team dont have the balls or courage to make a good film

i mean, coming from a background of "urban legend", dougherty and harris have as much writing talent as 2 dollar hookers

[daywalker2007]

unfortunately WB or singer or his team dont have any courage or balls like true film makers like James Cameron or Steven Spielberg.

Even Albert Pyun is a better director than Bryan Singer and his Captain America movie is better than Superman Returns,

might as well hire him to do a sequel and cause some "Max havoc" , lol

[Billy Batson]

First SR ruined my Superman movie dream, now you guys all taking Superboy aka
(SV) from me. :cwink:

dark_sentinel, your idea is very imaginative :up:

I would love to see little Jason become Bizzaro.
The Human part of Jason's DNA is causing an chromosome abnormality within his Kryptonian DNA, resulting in a genetic disorder.
As Jason age, his DNA mutation transform him into Bizzaro. :woot:

[Venom'sDad]

you're quite right showtime, but Superman's DNA was used to create Superboy as well. Bizzaro is a degenerate clone of Superman while Superboy is a partial clone. this could be explained easily: the DNA that Lex obtained was highly contaminated by the kryptonite shard that Lex used to stab Superman with, thereby creating Bizzaro (i know thats not how it happened in the comics but i'm just thinking in terms of the film universe for now) but Kryptonian DNA is similar enough to human DNA that human DNA could be grafted onto it in order to stabilize it and neutralize its degenerative nature, thereby creating Superboy.

the above situation would actually function as a separate Superboy spinoff movie now that i think about it (albeit the plot will have to be more developed but it could work). one of Superboy's "titles" in the comics was Project 13, so i guess Bizzaro could be the failed Project 12. i'm really just freewriting at this point lol but i'll stop now

I agree.

Like Showtime, the DNA will most likely be used to create Bizarro, like someone else said ia another thread.

[dark_sentinel]

First SR ruined my Superman movie dream, now you guys all taking Superboy aka
(SV) from me. :cwink:

dark_sentinel, your idea is very imaginative :up:

I would love to see little Jason become Bizzaro.
The Human part of Jason's DNA is causing an chromosome abnormality within his Kryptonian DNA, resulting in a genetic disorder.
As Jason age, his DNA mutation transform him into Bizzaro. :woot:

actually thats a pretty interesting idea that could work...maybe Lois was smoking while she was pregnant with him? :oldrazz:

[TheBat812]

Superboy sucks. Leave him out of Sr and it's sequels.

[VenomsMom]

I agree.

Like Showtime, the DNA will most likely be used to create Bizarro, like someone else said ia another thread.
Just great, thats all we need is Lex Luther and Superman's retarded clone for villains. You all are trying to bury this francise.

[redcaped]

Jason will never wear the same costume unless his father dies permanently but still won't fit because there are things meant for only one person and he's not suppose to be like Bat-Man or Flash.

[Billy Batson]

Just great, thats all we need is Lex Luther and Superman's retarded clone for villains. You all are trying to bury this francise.

That has already been accomplished.

[C. Lee]

The Superboy from the new comics could be introduced by cloning as dark sentinel proposed.......Jason is sticky point....but he can be worked around.

[wellsy]

Technically, isn't Jason pretty much already equivalent to Conner?

Albeit with Lois' DNA.

But you see my point... I hope.

Aside from that though, I don't think its all that bad a concept - very clever of you.

[I_Hate_U_All]

ready for another trip through the Superman movie twilight zone on the hype, Mr. Lee? :cwink:

Not me. The Suit wars, cast wars, comic vs film wars, attack of the killer piano, etc... I'm not getting involved with that again...

I predict there'll be a "The Kid War" once the hype starts rolling on superman again.

Me, I consider the kid to be the new gus gorman. While watching superman III, it confuses me why Richard Pryor's in it so much, but ah well... At least there's some good parts with reeve to watch.

Now supposedly if Jason doesn't become Superboy, then maybe he can become supergirl through a sex change... yes, kidding.

I must say though, that wouldn't this whole plot be a rehash of superman IV in some aspects?

[R_Hythlodeus]

unfortunately WB or singer or his team dont have any courage or balls like true film makers like James Cameron or Steven Spielberg.

Even Albert Pyun is a better director than Bryan Singer and his Captain America movie is better than Superman Returns,

might as well hire him to do a sequel and cause some "Max havoc" , lol

http://faeren.fa.funpic.de/Board/images/smiles/icon_bruhaha.gif

[dark_sentinel]

here's an idea (and one that might save my project): if Doomsday is in the sequel, what if one of Superman's motiviating factors (besides his commitment to protecting the world) is that Doomsday kills the kid during one of his rampages?

think about it:

a. It'd make the fight more personal (and therefore exciting)
b. Singer would (partially) redeem himself and keep the series open for more stories

plus that allows for me to write a really kick-*** Superboy script!:woot:

EDIT: yes, my Superboy script would be based on the Modern Age Superboy

P.S. VenomsMom: Bizzaro is Superman's degenerative clone, not retarted...ah who am I kidding?:oldrazz:

[dark_sentinel]

Technically, isn't Jason pretty much already equivalent to Conner?

Albeit with Lois' DNA.

But you see my point... I hope.

Aside from that though, I don't think its all that bad a concept - very clever of you.

actually no. i might not be a hardcore fan of Superboy's but i know enough of his backstory to know that the human part of Conner's DNA is actually thanks to a generous donation from Lex Luthor. Originally Conner's DNA was claimed to have been given to him by Paul Westfield (the head of Project Cadmus) but this got retconned i think either last year or in '05

[Venom'sDad]

Just great, thats all we need is Lex Luther and Superman's retarded clone for villains. You all are trying to bury this francise.

No... if anything, Singer is burying the franchise, unless he come out of this Donner induced coma.

I really think h doesn't have a clue of the essence of Superman, that's why he's coping from Donner.... he really don't know the character.

[VenomsMom]

These movies should solely focus on the story that is Superman. Why on earth are we trying to set up Superboy? Superman has just been reintroduced to the big screen after almost a 20 year absence and we are talking about Superboy. They are taking the attention away from Superman with this kid. His inception is still an enigma to me. Get back to basics and establish Supes as he should be and give us some entertaining villains.

[VenomsMom]

No... if anything, Singer is burying the franchise, unless he come out of this Donner induced coma.

I really think h doesn't have a clue of the essence of Superman, that's why he's coping from Donner.... he really don't know the character.
This francise was already buried, it was Singer's job to dig it up and revive it to its glory. Instead he dug a deeper hole.

[Billy Batson]

This francise was already buried, it was Singer's job to dig it up and revive it to its glory. Instead he dug a deeper hole.

Nah! The francise was just on the shelf, a little tv show revived the man of steel and a movie based on that show "would've/should've/could've" brought old BIG BLUE back to glory.

On the bright side, in SR II Doomsday will deep sick superman and little "J" will hold down the fork, until Kara, Kara Zor'EL, Linda or Cir'EL restore the Mighty :super:
Hey! is to late for Jason to have a sister? "Cir'EL"
or maybe Smallville's Clark & Lois can have a baby in the very last episode of the show.

[Justice Bringer]

Theres a better chance of them using this DNA cloning mishap for a character like Bizarro instead of Kon-El.

Makes me wonder if ten years from now if we will get to see Jason White, Dick Grayson, Barbera Gordon (who was a child in Batman Begins) etc as teenagers. The character would be around 16.

I prefer the idea of the character being the teenage son of Superman and Lois instead of a weird clone of Superman and Lex.

[redcaped]

This Bizarro idea is been used many times in comics, movies and animated series mostly as an imposter.

[C. Lee]

ready for another trip through the Superman movie twilight zone on the hype, Mr. Lee? :cwink:
I think the real question is.....are these guys ready for me?

Not me. The Suit wars, cast wars, comic vs film wars, attack of the killer piano, etc... I'm not getting involved with that again...
I don't want that lunacy again either....so this time, fewer warnings, more probations.

I predict there'll be a "The Kid War" once the hype starts rolling on superman again.
I thought there was already a "Kid War".....but we'll definately have an escalation of hostilities.

Me, I consider the kid to be the new gus gorman. While watching superman III, it confuses me why Richard Pryor's in it so much, but ah well... At least there's some good parts with reeve to watch.
Pryor is in it so much becasue....he was one of the biggest names in show business at that time, and said he wanted to do a Superman movie.....so there is no comparison between his character and the kid.

Now supposedly if Jason doesn't become Superboy, then maybe he can become supergirl through a sex change... yes, kidding.
But your kidding generaly has a ring of truth to it.....are you working with Singer on the sequel?

I must say though, that wouldn't this whole plot be a rehash of superman IV in some aspects?
All plots of all stories are a rehash of what has gone before in some aspects....:hyper:

[Spiderine]

I think certain aspects of Bizarro can be done, actually I think they are setting Bizarro up.

[I_Hate_U_All]

I think the real question is.....are these guys ready for me?

In my humble opinion. No. I've gone toe to toe with you under a different name and still have the scars from it to this very day. :dry: :cwink:


I don't want that lunacy again either....so this time, fewer warnings, more probations.

:word: Good plan. Though I have to admit the drama outside the film itself was more entertaining than all of what I paid to see last year in the cinemas.

I thought there was already a "Kid War".....but we'll definately have an escalation of hostilities.

Ah, you speak of that reaction to the initial kid revelation... Yes that was but a scuffle compared to what I can foresee. The way I'm thinking is if the superman curl can spark heated debate, something as drastic as adding superboy will bring down nuclear warfare upon us.


Pryor is in it so much becasue....he was one of the biggest names in show business at that time, and said he wanted to do a Superman movie.....so there is no comparison between his character and the kid.

True. I only compare them because I think at this point I'll generally despise the kid's pressence as much as I do Pryor's if or when this sequel is released and includes super Jason.

But your kidding generaly has a ring of truth to it.....are you working with Singer on the sequel?

Ha ha ha, no but I don't doubt they'd benefit from my input. :cwink:


All plots of all stories are a rehash of what has gone before in some aspects....:hyper:

:hyper: Never thought about it like that...

[Nokio]

Before the bashing begins, just hear me out. I've liked the character of the modern age Superboy for two reasons: a) He's more conflicted than Superman and b) Superboy's a bit of a smart-mouth when it comes to his "superhero" work.

For a while now I've been thinking about how Superboy (not Jason White!) would work in the SR continuity. Well, if you remember from SR when Superman lifts his hand after unknowingly touching the kryptonite ore in Lex's landmass his fingers are bleeding. Now this would involve a bit more retconning but le's theorize that Lex was able to obtain a bit of Superman's blood (or hair or whatever, some piece of Superman's genetic material) and after being foiled in SR came up with another plan: using Superman's DNA and the money he swindled from Gertrude, he begins Project Cadmus with the help of Dr. Paul Westfield.

Now i'm more than aware that Superboy was created by Project Cadmus after Superman's death, so Superboy's origin would change somewhat to conform to the SR continuity. Instead of being created with the purpose of replacing Superman after his death, Superboy would be created as a weapon to destroy Superman. So the movie would follow Superboy's journey from Superman's intended assassin to Superman's ally, eventually leading to him being christened Kon-El at the end and possibly allowing for a spinoff movie series (if this isn't one already lol)

If anyone's interested I'd be more than happy to post more details, as this is only a very rough sketch of the background and plot.

For a Superboy (if one is ever done)movie i say leave Jason White. All that Cadmus/Clone mess is to convoluted. I've always liked the cloned Superboy from Cadmus, but theirs no reason why Jason White can't grow to a teen and have that same attitide. He won't be living is Smallville Kansas, but a huge metropolitian city where teens are more hip and exposed to much more then kids in rural town America. He's also half human so having slighty different powers from his dad wouldn't be far fetched.

[wellsy]

actually no. i might not be a hardcore fan of Superboy's but i know enough of his backstory to know that the human part of Conner's DNA is actually thanks to a generous donation from Lex Luthor. Originally Conner's DNA was claimed to have been given to him by Paul Westfield (the head of Project Cadmus) but this got retconned i think either last year or in '05
What I meant was that the basic idea of a human-Kryptonian DNA mix was the same.

The people can be different, but if the same kind of thing happened (only, in SR it was natural, whereas in the comics it was artificial), then doesn't that constitute a similarity? Even an outright parallel?

[Billy Batson]

Jason White as Bizarro

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/157/407734816_a574412958_b.jpg
Cast a Routh lookalike,to play Jason all grown up.

[VenomsMom]

No superboy please. More Superman.

[dark_sentinel]

What I meant was that the basic idea of a human-Kryptonian DNA mix was the same.

The people can be different, but if the same kind of thing happened (only, in SR it was natural, whereas in the comics it was artificial), then doesn't that constitute a similarity? Even an outright parallel?

maybe the basic idea of cloning Superman, but I always thought that Bizzaro had "pure" Kryptonian DNA. like i said before (in the words of Christopher Nolan :woot:) i've always been a big fan of the character, but i am by no means any kind of comic book expert, so i could be wrong

[FlawlessVictory]

I thought there was already a "Kid War".....but we'll definately have an escalation of hostilities.

Escalation?

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/gordon_batman_signal1.jpg


:woot:

[Venom'sDad]

Jason White as Bizarro

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/157/407734816_a574412958_b.jpg
Cast a Routh lookalike,to play Jason all grown up.

That's a nice drawing

[VenomsMom]

Singer will probably play it safe and go with Bizarro and Lex. Perhaps a Brainiac appearance.

[Nokio]

That's a nice drawing

well he's certainly more muscular and ripped then his dad, LOL.

[dark_sentinel]

i havent read Death of Superman yet but can anyone tell me if there was a single motivating incident that prompted Superman and the JL to confront Doomsday? i know it sounds like a dumb ? but i'm just thinking that maybe (in the film version) it'll be Jason's death (most likely incidental) that spurs Superman into action. would it work?

[dark_sentinel]

alright i know i'm flogging a dead horse here but i'm going to go ahead and write Superboy: Experiment 13 anyway as a fanscript. so for fun i also made a "teaser poster" for it as well. its a crappy poster, i made it in MS Paint but anyway here you go

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i401751_poster.JPG (http://www.imagehosting.com)

[daywalker2007]

singer doesnt have the courage to think of such ideas

his mental state is equivalent to a 5 year old

he needs help

[El Payaso]

You need money.

[dark_sentinel]

yeah cash would help haha

[dark_sentinel]

Alright so here's a scene i've written for my fanscript of Superboy: Experiment 13... actually i'm thinking of renaming it Superboy: Red Hour but i'm not so sure. Anyway, here you go.


Int. FIRST NATIONAL BANK


Two BURGLARS drop down from an air vent into an empty bank. They wear black sweaters and cargo pants, the getup finished off with black skullcaps and boots, as well as a pair of gloves each. As they creep through, silvery moonlight washes through the high windows, creating long narrow shadows along the floor. At the opposite end of their point of entry is the door of a large steel safe. Burglar 2 pulls out a hotgun and begins to break the heavy lock on the safe. Suddenly, a WHOOSH breaks the silence. BURGLAR 1 turns and looks hesitantly around the bank.


BURGLAR 2
What is it?


BURGLAR 1
(nervous)
I-I dunno...must be an open window or somethin'.


BURGLAR 2
Well then lets move it, huh?


Burglar 2 looks at the glowing face of a digital watch. He returns to his work but he feels Burglar 1 tapping his shoulder fervently. Burglar 2 looks, and standing behind them is CONNER, arms crossed, dressed in a black T-shirt with the RED SUPERMAN SYMBOL outlined on it. A pair of jeans and black and red sneakers complete his ensemble. He smirks confidently and raises one eyebrow. Burglar 2 starts laughing.


BURGLAR 2
(laughing)
What's this? Some kinda joke, right? Alright then, Superboy, you've had your fun, so beat it and let us finish our--


Conner moves with BLINDING SPEED, and is now standing directly in front of Burglar 2. Using his superhuman strength, he lifts Burglar 2 off his feet. Conner's eyebrows are furrowed, and his grin has become a scowl. Burglar 1 backs up, a frightened expression splayed across his face.


CONNER
(annoyed)
Dont ever call me Superboy--


With the slightest push, Burglar 2 is hurled back into Burglar 1. Their momentum causes them to fly back and slam against the safe's door. They slump to the floor in an unconscious heap.


CONNER (Cont'd)
Got it?

[project13]

Alright so here's a scene i've written for my fanscript of Superboy: Experiment 13... actually i'm thinking of renaming it Superboy: Red Hour but i'm not so sure. Anyway, here you go.


Int. FIRST NATIONAL BANK


Two BURGLARS drop down from an air vent into an empty bank. They wear black sweaters and cargo pants, the getup finished off with black skullcaps and boots, as well as a pair of gloves each. As they creep through, silvery moonlight washes through the high windows, creating long narrow shadows along the floor. At the opposite end of their point of entry is the door of a large steel safe. Burglar 2 pulls out a hotgun and begins to break the heavy lock on the safe. Suddenly, a WHOOSH breaks the silence. BURGLAR 1 turns and looks hesitantly around the bank.


BURGLAR 2
What is it?


BURGLAR 1
(nervous)
I-I dunno...must be an open window or somethin'.


BURGLAR 2
Well then lets move it, huh?


Burglar 2 looks at the glowing face of a digital watch. He returns to his work but he feels Burglar 1 tapping his shoulder fervently. Burglar 2 looks, and standing behind them is CONNER, arms crossed, dressed in a black T-shirt with the RED SUPERMAN SYMBOL outlined on it. A pair of jeans and black and red sneakers complete his ensemble. He smirks confidently and raises one eyebrow. Burglar 2 starts laughing.


BURGLAR 2
(laughing)
What's this? Some kinda joke, right? Alright then, Superboy, you've had your fun, so beat it and let us finish our--


Conner moves with BLINDING SPEED, and is now standing directly in front of Burglar 2. Using his superhuman strength, he lifts Burglar 2 off his feet. Conner's eyebrows are furrowed, and his grin has become a scowl. Burglar 1 backs up, a frightened expression splayed across his face.


CONNER
(annoyed)
Dont ever call me Superboy--


With the slightest push, Burglar 2 is hurled back into Burglar 1. Their momentum causes them to fly back and slam against the safe's door. They slump to the floor in an unconscious heap.


CONNER (Cont'd)
Got it?

Whoa, this scene would make a great teaser. Where can I your fanscript?