Escape from New York (Remake)

[Advanced Dark]

I just busted one when I read this! My freaking God I can't wait!!!!!!! This is going to be a popular topic! The original is one of my favorite films of all time. Top 20 for sure. The sequel blew ass but can you imagine what they could have done with this franchise? Now we'll see and with a real budget!!!

You know you're pinching yourself now.:woot:

Butler has 'Escape' plan

'300' star heads to 'New York'

By MICHAEL FLEMING (http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=bio&peopleID=1231)


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Butler

Hot off the socko bow of "300" this past weekend, star Gerard Butler is at the center of a package that CAA began shopping Monday for a remake of John Carpenter's 1981 actioner "Escape From New York."

Neal Moritz is attached to produce, with "Black Hawk Down" scribe Ken Nolan penning the screenplay.
Several studios are battling for the pic, mostly because the $70 million launch of "300" signaled the arrival of an emerging action star in Butler. A deal is expected to be made this week.
Butler would play Snake Plissken, the one-eyed convict who's charged with heading into the inescapable maximum security prison formerly known as Manhattan to liberate the U.S. president. Kurt Russell originated the role and reprised it in the 1996 sequel "Escape to L.A."


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961020.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

[Darth Elektra]

Awsome!

[Advanced Dark]

Actually this is more awesome than anything that has been awesome before. I couldn't wait for Escape from LA thinking it'd get a big budget and be a great action flick. What a screw up that was. With a hard R rated 300 film doing so well hopefully they give it a solid budget and cast and make it right.

Kurt Russell has to play The President.

[Tempest19]

Um, actually I don't know how I feel about this... I love the original and I really can't see a remake of it. Which I never thought I'd hear myself say before-

It would have to be Cronenburg good to shed the light for me.

Gerald Butler is a great action hero and actor, but I think no one can ever live up to Kurt Russel in the role. It's kind of like replacing Malcolm McDowell in Clockwork Orange... sure it could be done, probably Cilian Murphey could fit the bill... but, what I'm trying to say is that the character is ICONIC and Russel brought A LOT to the role...

I don't know about this one- hoping for a Cronenburg... (The Fly remake being amazing).

One thing that worries is me is the dirrection that they may take it, the more restrictive budget forced Carpenter into being more creative in some of the choices he made. And they might go too "Hollywood" with it-

[Advanced Dark]

Nobody can copy what Kurt did for the role but Butler could give us an all new take on the character. Let's face it Kurt is too old and the story is awesome. No doubt it could be really wild with a big enough budget and updated a bit from the late 70's early 80's mindset of the first script. Don't think of it as Butler being better than Russell but just...different.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Boooooo. Get some ****ing originality come on. Keep ****ing up classics to make a buck.

[Tempest19]

Main fear though is them doing 'wild with a big enough budget' that they will go too "hollywood" with it...

It really depends on how it's done.

[Advanced Dark]

They already tried that w/Escape from LA and totally made the film a joke. Sanitizing what is clearly R Rated franchise never pans out well for a continuing franchise. See Riddick.

[Crooklyn]

This film was before my time, I just read a synopsis...but doesn't the plot itself CALL for it to be a Hollywood blockbuster type of flick?

:huh:

[Advanced Dark]

Boooooo. Get some ****ing originality come on. Keep ****ing up classics to make a buck.

Escape from NY is a film that I think would be a great remake. Just because other remakes have been screwed up doesn't mean all remakes will be screwed up. Look at The Thing. That was a remake of a classic disguised as a sequel. Before you assume they're gonna screw it up let's see who they hire as the director and see how the cast fills up. I hate it when they screw up remakes like The Hitcher.

[Advanced Dark]

This film was before my time, I just read a synopsis...but doesn't the plot itself CALL for it to be a Hollywood blockbuster type of flick?

:huh:

Yep. That doesn't mean it has to lose the fun of the first film. They can still make a quality blockbuster film. I haven't seen 300 yet but I'm sure that's one. Spiderman film are. WHy not Snake Plisken. The studio must know this is not a one film deal that it's a potential big franchise. There are a load of directors I'd want for this. Imagine Ridley Scott.

[Tempest19]

??? How does Riddick fit in? What I'm saying is, I'm afraid that they'll go overly Hollywood with it... part of LA is they went too over the top in some instances- the location of New York also established the tone.

So to me, this is like remaking the first Terminator because they can now go "wild and crazy" with the effects- which is what scares me... I don't want a "wild and crazy" film- I want a film that is true to the original and not a "hollywood" styled version of the film.

A film true to the original source material would be a success again... with some parts updated, of course, but what if they "update" it too much?

As I said, I'll wait for further news... if it's a Cronenberg ("the fly"- one of the best remakes of all time), then I'm all for it.... if it's "Hollywood" with a music video director- agh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said, it's too early to get excited for a film like this because it can easily turn one way (awesome) or another (a disgrace to the original)...

[Advanced Dark]

Riddick was a PG-13 film that should have been an R rated franchise and actually Riddick is similar to Pliskin in many ways.

Who would I like to see in the role over Gerard Butler though would be:

Tom Jane

[RedIsNotBlue]

Escape from NY is a film that I think would be a great remake. Just because other remakes have been screwed up doesn't mean all remakes will be screwed up. Look at The Thing. That was a remake of a classic disguised as a sequel. Before you assume they're gonna screw it up let's see who they hire as the director and see how the cast fills up. I hate it when they screw up remakes like The Hitcher.

I didn't say that. But I do think a majority of remakes don't even have to be remade but are just getting the treatment to milk the franchise for all it is worth. If you give me the list of remakes I am pretty sure a good one is rare to spot. This movie doesn't need to be remade it is a classic movie. They are already adapting Metal Gear Solid to the big screen how hilarious would it be if they released them in the same month. No matter which way you try and defend it I always hate the idea of remaking movies I already love.

And for the record Riddick was doomed from the get-go.

[Tempest19]

Hell yeah, now THAT would be a better choice... just replace Plisken with the Punisher, add some Plisken personality and look to him- and then you've got a possible replacement. Even has a somewhat similar tone of voice to Plisken (going off memory)... in Punisher, Thomas Jane really pulled off the hardcore give no **** bad ass... whereas GB was more of a strong, reserved, yet pissed off general whose voice and "battle cries" can call his men into action and give them strength for battle.

In other words, who have I seen be more "bad ass"? Thomas Jane...

Though GB could definitely pull it off as well...

But, as I said- it all depends on the direction they are taking with the property.

[Advanced Dark]

If you give me the list of remakes I am pretty sure a good one is rare to spot.

I agree but that's because very few movies/franchises are worthy of being remade. Carpenter made a masterpiece but Snake Plisken should have been in more than one great film. That was a franchise that would have been embraced by everyone if they would have continued in the right direction. Pliskin deserves a second chance and I think Butler will do the role justice...just in a different way. He's not gonna act like Kurt Russell. He'll have to make the role his own or forget it.

I'm gonna remain highly optimisitc until a director is announced. This is now my #1 most anticipated film. That could change real quick with the wrong director or storyline.

[RedIsNotBlue]

But that is the thing. Russell IS Snake Pliskin. Nobody will ever outdo or live up to the character he portrayed. Just obviously Hollywood doing the old "Hmm can't think of anything...let's try and milk some more money off an old classic!"

[GoldGoblin]

This is gonna be a great movie.

[cryptic name]

it already is a great movie

[Advanced Dark]

But that is the thing. Russell IS Snake Pliskin. Nobody will ever outdo or live up to the character he portrayed. Just obviously Hollywood doing the old "Hmm can't think of anything...let's try and milk some more money off an old classic!"

He is just like Keaton was Batman and Tobey is Spidey, and Connery was Bond. Things change. This franchise deserves it. Of courese there's more F'ups than not but I think the studio that gets it realizes how great this could be. It's not just milking money off a classic though because I feel this franchise deserves more and they can't just make a sequel w/out Russell 20 years later and pretend LA didn't exist. Start it over and see if it works out. If it does...a franchise is reborn. They're going after big talent now or "hot" talent so let's see who the director is. If it's McG I'm gonna boycott this film. The premise is also not gonna be the same. It's going to be updated like I said from the thinking of today's society. Maybe it'll be 300 years on the future or something and be more sci-fi. Maybe it'll have more horror aspects to it. We don't know yet. Let's not assume the worst.

[Advanced Dark]

it already is a great movie

Yep and it could be a great franchise with the updated film tech/f-x, and advances we've made since 1981. This is over 25 years later. It's worth a shot. This always should have been at least a trilogy of quality films. I wanted to see more of Snake leading up to his arrest. Carpenter did great with almost no budget and it does show but the story and Russell were so great it was easy to overlook.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Why not assume the worst?? My hopes are down and if the slim chance that it comes out good it will be awesome for me. If I hold my hopes up high thinking that is going to be ass kickass as the original then chances are I am going to be disappointed. Hoping for the worst is actually best for me. I mean this is like remaking Hallowe....oh. :(

[Advanced Dark]

^ Halloween was 2 dimensional though great slasher/horror movie...where Escape from NY has very colorful characters. But assuming the worse can make a mediocre movie seem great. LOL Sci-Fi is my thing so I can't wait. I thought Riddick was the next Snake Pliskin franchise and sure enough they screwed that one up but not as bad as Escape from LA. I was so pissed watching "LA" that I almost walked out. It had a few cool moments but the audience that waited all those years to see it got Kurt Russell as Snake Plisken...and a crappy movie.

[zer00]

This is...just an early april fools right? I bet it is. No way humanity is this ****ing stupid and against the rights.

And in regards to anything blades(AD) is saying: He makes no points that change my mind.

[Advanced Dark]

This is...just an early april fools right? I bet it is. No way humanity is this ****ing stupid and against the rights.

And in regards to anything blades(AD) is saying: He makes no points.

How I saw you post (since you're on ignore) I don't know Zeroo but there you go again turning a thread into a forum for your personal attacks. You're famous for doing that not just to me which you've been doing for quite some time but to other's on the board here. Leave the personal comments out of your posts please and grow up. It's not just the content of the post above it's the consistentcy of the little hit and run tactics you use and the subtle personal comments that. You seem to be fixated on me.

[RedIsNotBlue]

**** it. Let's remake Jaws while we are at it. **** it all.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Not the same Red but maybe in 25 years with no more Jaws sequel it could be cool. Still not the same. Snake Plisken's continuing adventures is what I wanted to see after the original Escape from New York. What better way to restart the franchise than do the 1st one over with nothing less than a great story, solid director, and good acting talent. If it does well...we may finally get to see what else Snake Plisken has to offer. It's more of the franchise I"m looking for than the remake. And you know as well as I do they're not going to remake it like Psycho and copy every line and scene frame by frame. I do understand you're concerns and you make valid points for being pessimistic. I just loved the character and want more.

[Advanced Dark]

??? How does Riddick fit in? What I'm saying is, I'm afraid that they'll go overly Hollywood with it... part of LA is they went too over the top in some instances- the location of New York also established the tone.

So to me, this is like remaking the first Terminator because they can now go "wild and crazy" with the effects- which is what scares me... I don't want a "wild and crazy" film- I want a film that is true to the original and not a "hollywood" styled version of the film.

A film true to the original source material would be a success again... with some parts updated, of course, but what if they "update" it too much?

As I said, I'll wait for further news... if it's a Cronenberg ("the fly"- one of the best remakes of all time), then I'm all for it.... if it's "Hollywood" with a music video director- agh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said, it's too early to get excited for a film like this because it can easily turn one way (awesome) or another (a disgrace to the original)...

They did remake the 1st Terminator and it was called Terminator 2. :)

[zer00]

**** it. Let's remake Jaws while we are at it. **** it all.

Let's remake 300 while it's hot.

Let's remake Halloween even though a sequel came out a few years ago...

...oh wait


Let's remake Blade Runner

[RedIsNotBlue]

I am writing a script for a Spider-Man 3 remake right now.

[Advanced Dark]

I don't think anyone on these boards didn't want to see more Snake Pliskin stories after the first film. Kurt Russell owned Snake Plisken as Snipes owned Blade. It's hard to imagine someone else in the role but I also think the character is bigger than the actor. Is Gerard Butler the best choice...not to me but he's not a bad choice either. The director is key. I think this storyline might attract some big name directors. If not again...I'll turn negative on it. Only because this is a potential franchise do I want a remake. Remaking a film that has no franchise potential makes no sense. So comparing this to remaking Jaws is crazy. I think they did a good job with The Fly, The Thing, etc...

[Advanced Dark]

I am writing a script for a Spider-Man 3 remake right now.

Ok thanks for turning the thread into a joke and trying to derail it with Zeroo. Thanks.

[Ghostvirus]

Escape from NY is a film that I think would be a great remake. Just because other remakes have been screwed up doesn't mean all remakes will be screwed up. Look at The Thing. That was a remake of a classic disguised as a sequel. Before you assume they're gonna screw it up let's see who they hire as the director and see how the cast fills up. I hate it when they screw up remakes like The Hitcher.


This is exactly why there are so many remakes!!!!!!!:cmad:

Everytime one comes along. You go into the theatre thinking. Oh well the last fifteen weren't good, but this one will good. I swear.:whatever:

[RedIsNotBlue]

Ok thanks for turning the thread into a joke and trying to derail it with Zeroo. Thanks.

Welcome to the Hype. :cwink:

[zer00]

Welcome to the Hype. :cwink:

He also misspelled my name


"Look at The Thing. That was a remake of a classic disguised as a sequel."

It was never disguised as a sequel. And The Thing wasn't a remake, it was based on the same thing the original film was based on, a short story called "Who Goes There?"

Carpenter's version was a faithful adaption. Due to the constrictions of the times The Thing From Another World was basically a Frankenstein like creature that looked like a carrot.

[BatJeff7786]

Another remake? Why.........

[Catman]

Another remake? Why.........

My thoughts exactly.

[Hunter Rider]

I saw Escape from New York for the first time last year and while i liked the concept and Snake i found myself wishing that it was a current movie with today's tech and budget advantages.
I hope this remake retains what was good about the original while taking advantages of what is now available.
Butler hopefully will alter his accent as well and of course it all hinges on who directs.

[JustABill]

Boy, the Carpenter remakes just keep coming. Is there a John Carpenter film that HASN'T been remade yet?

[DorkyFresh]

i'm not sure what to think about this...

...i hope they handle it well. i love Escape from NY, i love Gerard Butler, i think he'll play Plisken well....but they're gonna have to change quite a bit from the original. i hope they flesh out how exactly a whole island could be turned into a prison. i'm gonna laugh my ass off if they place it back in 1997...haha!

hopefully they'll actually get an American to play the president this time...

[patrickbateman]

I'M writing a script for A REMAKE ON OMEN (2006)

[DorkyFresh]

psh...i'm writing a script for the remake of 300!!!

it's even gonna star Gerard Butler! hehe...i made a quick manip of what Gerard might look like as Plisken.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/gerardsnake.jpg

[Prognosticator]

I just busted one when I read this! My freaking God I can't wait!!!!!!! This is going to be a popular topic! The original is one of my favorite films of all time. Top 20 for sure. The sequel blew ass but can you imagine what they could have done with this franchise? Now we'll see and with a real budget!!!

You know you're pinching yourself now.:woot:

[B][SIZE=3]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961020.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

I love the support for the franchise, etc... but it's really hard to top perfection. :csad: I mean, even the flawes in EFNY are beautiful in the scope of 80s cinema!

But I'd love to see a reinterpretation I guess (No Kurt Russell = :( x100)

[DACrowe]

Gerard Butler(sp?) is a really good actor, a damn fine one. Just not for 300 which he got to chew scenery beautifully in but in smaller fair like Dear Frankie, he just had such prescence and gave a strong performance in that movie. Even with Phantom of the Opera, despite his rather limited and disappointing singing voice, his acting and performance made up for it to give a good interpretation of hte character audiences could feel.

He is a very good actor. So....

I'm disappointed he is getting pegged in another action movie badass role after 300. 300 was good (albeit, not amazing) and he was excellent in it, but I hope he can move past just action movies.

Anyway, it is another remake, so meh.

[Advanced Dark]

His movie Assault on Precinct 13 was remade a few years back and it was a solid film. The Thing is still my favorite Carpenter film. There's lots of films that don't deserve remakes that were remade like The Shining, The Hitcher, etc...I'm totally against remaking films just to show off new advances in film technology like King Kong and War of the Worlds were to me the story was sacrificed and the charcters were "mostly" 2 dimensional or hollow and at best contrived. Again I'm expecting this franchise is treated with total respect and if not...I'll be pissed not to mention a huge opportunity to continue this franchise will be missed yet again.

[KenK]

I love the Assault on Precinct 13 remake. I just like that they had the balls to kill Maria Bello's character. I didn't see that coming at all. And while it was drastically different in the specifics of the story, I think the remake made a similar commentary the abuse of authority by the police, which is what the gang in the original was fighting against.

[L0ngsh0t]

I just busted one when I read this! My freaking God I can't wait!!!!!!! This is going to be a popular topic! The original is one of my favorite films of all time. Top 20 for sure. The sequel blew ass but can you imagine what they could have done with this franchise? Now we'll see and with a real budget!!!

You know you're pinching yourself now.:woot:

[b][size=3]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961020.html?categoryid=13&cs=1


Sweet Jesus let this be true

Now alls we need is a director who can tap into the cult, and use that to make the movie popular and then it will be awesome

Esacpe From New York is one of my favorite films from the 80's this could be sweet



or really ****ty obviously

[Advanced Dark]

Except for Escape from La Carpenter made some of the best films of his time. All the Russell ones have sequels or remakes of some sort. I was pissed there was no follow up to Big Trouble in Little China because that was real damn fun. I just watched it again last night w/my kids and they loved it.

[Addendum]

Yet another remake I won't bother seeing.

And if any ******* from Hollywood decides to do a remake of Big Trouble in Little China, their days are numbered

[Ronny Shade]

I can count on one hand the movie that should never be remade. Escape from New York is one of them.

My god this is a horrible ****ing idea.

[Prognosticator]

I don't mind a remake, but I'd much prefer another over-the-top sequel with Kurt Russell in the saddle, and tons of cameos from campy actors from the 70s/80s/(90s?)...Yeah, w/Carpenter/Russell penning the script and Carpenter again pulling duty with direction and score!! :yay:

[Ronny Shade]

That's a far far far better idea, Prog.

[DorkyFresh]

another over-the-top sequel? you mean the sequel John Carpenter wanted to make called "Escape from Earth"???


no thanx...as much as Escape from NY doesn't need to be remade, i'll take a remake over "Escape from Earth".

[Hunter Rider]

psh...i'm writing a script for the remake of 300!!!

it's even gonna star Gerard Butler! hehe...i made a quick manip of what Gerard might look like as Plisken.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/gerardsnake.jpg

Nice work:up:

[L0ngsh0t]

that pic rules

[GhostPoet]

If we're doing re-makes...can we PLEASE re-make Forbidden Planet?

[Prognosticator]

Did anyone ever watch Carpenter's 'Ghosts of Mars'....is that what it was called? It sucked :( Probably a reason why Ice Cube and the chick from Species were in it.









...my point was, and this is to DorkyFresh if you know, was 'Ghost of Mars' a halfway attempt to make 'Escape from Earth'?

[Darthphere]

I just have to ask why?

[DorkyFresh]

...my point was, and this is to DorkyFresh if you know, was 'Ghost of Mars' a halfway attempt to make 'Escape from Earth'?

i dunno if it was a semi-sequel or not, but it WAS a crappy movie...haha. it's one of the movies that showed Carpenter was losing his touch. that along with Vampires.

[Prognosticator]

Yeah, I couldn't find anything on "Escape from Earth" so I'm guessing not.

He was THE cult movie guy in the 1980s, but the 90s were cruel, cruel years to that man.

[black_dust]

A remake???? OooooooHHhhhh :( I love Escape from NY "Your the duke A number one! :o" and the score is amazing :D I dont know if i would like a remake of it or not, i hope russel is in it some how.

Wish they would have done Escape from eath that would have been great


"The names pliskin....."

[DorkyFresh]

i was bored....can you tell?

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[black_dust]

Does look pretty decent tho /\/\

[Advanced Dark]

Now who to play Duke? Brain?

[Hunter Rider]

Those are fantastic Dorky,hopefully he will look that way in the film

Now who to play Duke? Brain?

Hate to sound cliche' but Sam Jackson as the Duke

[black_dust]

http://img.stopklatka.pl/filmowcy/02300/02371/0.jpg

Michael Clarke Duncan?

[Advanced Dark]

I don't mind a remake, but I'd much prefer another over-the-top sequel with Kurt Russell in the saddle, and tons of cameos from campy actors from the 70s/80s/(90s?)...Yeah, w/Carpenter/Russell penning the script and Carpenter again pulling duty with direction and score!! :yay:

Kurt Russell is done w/Snake Plisken. Maybe a cameo or perhaps he could play the President or something but I dont' want to see him do Pliskin. Too old. John Carpenter's fine movie making days are over. Probably because nobody wants to give him a decent budget after his last few films. "Over the Top" is not what made Escape from NY so great. It was just the epitomy of cool...the charcter, the concept, the whole idea of NY being a prison and how Plisken's gotta save him before the little bombs go off in his neck. It had some over the top moments but it wasn't God awful cheesey like Escape from LA. It sounds like you want another film like Escape from LA....which is not the type of film fans of the original hoped for. I hated almost everything about the second film except Snakes decision to "pinch the Earth" of all it's power. I liked that part. :)

[Advanced Dark]

Those are fantastic Dorky,hopefully he will look that way in the film



Hate to sound cliche' but Sam Jackson as the Duke

He'd be cool, as would Duncan, LL Cool J, but please not P-Diddy. LOL

As far as Brain...Hugh from "HOUSE", throw some glasses on Keifer, James Spader?

[Advanced Dark]

i was bored....can you tell?

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Can you put Gerard's manipped head on a pic of Snake from the movie. I couldn't find any big enough stills. Hair needs to be longer. Still loooks awesome.

[Mr Jide]

They should forget remaking this classic and get Butler to take on the role of solid snake in this supposed metal gear solid movie.

[Advanced Dark]

They should forget remaking this classic and get Butler to take on the role of solid snake in this supposed metal gear solid movie.

I want to see more Snake Plisken tales not another video game turned movie.

[Speedball]

I think I just soiled myself.
:woot::woot::woot:

[tzarinna]

This is so hot!

[Warhammer]

While this may be good, I truly think that Hollywood needs to STOP with all of these damn remakes. I'm getting sick and tired of them. I don't even care if they are good remakes, they just need to stop. The only remakes that should be made are very old movies that could seriously benefit from being remade today (like Clash of The Titans or Masters of the Universe).

:up:

[Warhammer]

I just have to ask why?

Yeah, I know.
Hollywood just keeps shoving remakes down our throat. :whatever:

[black_dust]

While this may be good, I truly think that Hollywood needs to STOP with all of these damn remakes. I'm getting sick and tired of them. I don't even care if they are good remakes, they just need to stop. The only remakes that should be made are very old movies that could seriously benefit from being remade today (like Clash of The Titans or Masters of the Universe).

:up:
Yeah, they should only do it if the movie was made over 50years ago haha :)

[Flexo]

I declare this a bad idea.

[Hunter Rider]

I want to see more Snake Plisken tales not another video game turned movie.

But it's not more Snake plissken tales it's the same tale with updated effects

[Mr. Socko]

They said my name in that article......

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Moviefan2k4]

OK, having read osme of the various replies and whatnot on this thread, here's a few ideas I think could be applied to the remake.

1) Set the film into the not-so-distant future, like the original version did. There was a 16-year gap (1981 to 1997). The film could presumably come out in 2009, so they could set it in 2025 or something like that.

2) Update the method by which Snake's life is threatened by the nihilistic government. Explosive capsules in the neck probably wouldn't work with today's desenitized audiences.

3) Shoot more of the film in New York this time, or at least make sure to cheat it a lot better (the original version was shot predominantly in a burned-out section of St. Louis).

4) By all means, keep the classic synthesizer music from the original's opening titles. It's become as iconic in 26 years as the film itself.

5) Don't ham it up too much in the remake, but don't let it get too dark, either. "Escape from New York" was never designed as a horro film, but rather as a statement about a possible future if mankind continues with its own selfishness.

[gazi]

I just busted one when I read this! My freaking God I can't wait!!!!!!! This is going to be a popular topic! The original is one of my favorite films of all time. Top 20 for sure. The sequel blew ass but can you imagine what they could have done with this franchise? Now we'll see and with a real budget!!!

You know you're pinching yourself now.:woot:

[B]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961020.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

[SIZE="4"]Has Original Thought Disappeared forever? Let's come up with something NEW!

[DorkyFresh]

they should make a parody called...



....Escape from a Plane!!!

[Mr. Socko]

Why when ppl will mindlessly watch cat throw up remakes that already have a name and tarnish the original?

I'm still waiting on the Blob remake.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Blob remake? That was done w/Kevin Dillon in what the early 90's or late 80's???

[Advanced Dark]

Has Original Thought Disappeared forever? Let's come up with something NEW!


So every film released from this point on must be an original storyline with characters we've never seen or heard of before. Making your font large and bold means nothing. There's room in the billion megaplexes out there for original content, indi films, hollywood blockbusters, sequels, and remakes. If you dont' want to watch them...don't. Not every product is suited for every person. People have different tastes than you and me. I enjoy all sorts of films. I want to see some of my favorite films remade with today's film technology and today's best talent. Like 300 is an original idea. LOL There's nothing wrong with taking a proven formula and loved character and trying to remake it 25 years later. Was King Kong an original idea to you? War of the Worlds? The Fly? The Thing? There's been some pretty well made remakes of the Japanese horror films too. It just depends on how they do it.

[Knives122]

Didn't this movie come out in the early 90s?

Why are they making a remake of it?

[Advanced Dark]

But it's not more Snake plissken tales it's the same tale with updated effects

How do you know? Do you honestly think it's only updated effects? C'mon hunter. They will also update the storyline to fit in with today's advances in technology. Not the film F/X but the actual mindset of this era as opposed to the late 70's when this was written. Certain aspects of the story are gonna have to change. Also the point of them doing this is not to create "ONE" film. It's to create a franchise. I've said from the beginning retelling the NY storyline is great as long as they make it fresh and new and update it like you say...however that's not what is turning me on to this project. It's the prospect of a franchise of at least a trilogy. First they need to make a great first film. It is possible with the right talent.

This is not directed at you Hunter or anyone specifically...but I've seen a lot of whining and moaning here. Instead of complaining about something that apparently "IS" gonna happen why don't some of you tell us what you'd like to see. Assuming it's gonna happen what changes would you make. I don't think anyone wants to see a frame for frame remake with a new actor. That's pointless. To me I want to see more of Plisken before he's caught and forced to save the President. I want to see the events leading up to how he gets caught. I want some more fight sequences and more gunplay. I want everything that was bad about Escape from LA thrown out. I do want something similar to the bombs in the neck. Some sort of timeline where if he doesn't make it...something bad happens. That's one of the best parts of the whole story to begin with. Always watching the clock knowing he's gonna die if he fails no matter what. He can't run away.

[Advanced Dark]

Didn't this movie come out in the early 90s?

Why are they making a remake of it?

No I believe it was 1981. Over 25 years ago. They're remaking it because demand is there even though the vocal minority will make it seem otherwise. Snake Plisken is a Icon...bigger than life. However his fuse was too short. You know what else could come good from this remake...perhaps an Escape from NY video game for the next gen systems similar to the Riddick game. That alone is worth getting this franchise off the ground.

[RedIsNotBlue]

No I believe it was 1981. Over 25 years ago. They're remaking it because demand is there even though the vocal minority will make it seem otherwise. Snake Plisken is a Icon...bigger than life. However his fuse was too short. You know what else could come good from this remake...perhaps an Escape from NY video game for the next gen systems similar to the Riddick game. That alone is worth getting this franchise off the ground.

What the **** are you babbling about???

[Addendum]

He's trying to defend the remake machine in Hollywood.

[RedIsNotBlue]

He's trying to defend the remake machine in Hollywood.

Well the last two sentences honestly made me feel dumber for having read that.

[Addendum]

The surprising thing is that the Riddick game is damn good.

But I still have no interest in seeing the movies, since Vin Diesel is a horrible actor. The only movie he was good in was The Iron Giant, and I didn't find out till last year that he was the voice of the giant

[Caliber]

I just busted one when I read this! My freaking God I can't wait!!!!!!! This is going to be a popular topic! The original is one of my favorite films of all time. Top 20 for sure. The sequel blew ass but can you imagine what they could have done with this franchise? Now we'll see and with a real budget!!!

You know you're pinching yourself now.:woot:

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http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961020.html?categoryid=13&cs=1 (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961020.html?categoryid=13&cs=1)

I like this idea alot. I loved Escape from New York and I haven't seen Escape from LA. Russell was great as Snake and its hard to imagine anyone as him. Butler is a good choice.

[Paste Pot Pete]

He is just like Keaton was Batman and Tobey is Spidey, and Connery was Bond. Things change. This franchise deserves it. Of courese there's more F'ups than not but I think the studio that gets it realizes how great this could be. It's not just milking money off a classic though because I feel this franchise deserves more and they can't just make a sequel w/out Russell 20 years later and pretend LA didn't exist. Start it over and see if it works out. If it does...a franchise is reborn. They're going after big talent now or "hot" talent so let's see who the director is. If it's McG I'm gonna boycott this film. The premise is also not gonna be the same. It's going to be updated like I said from the thinking of today's society. Maybe it'll be 300 years on the future or something and be more sci-fi. Maybe it'll have more horror aspects to it. We don't know yet. Let's not assume the worst.

Why does everything have to be a damn FRANCHISE? It was a classic movie made 25 years ago, with one failed, mostly forgotten sequel to its name. I don't call that a franchise, especially one that so desperately needs to be resurrected.

Snake is not Batman, Spider-Man or Bond. Those are characters that existed before and outside of their movies; the actors who portray them are merely custodians of the character.

Snake is Kurt. Kurt is Snake.

You know what it's more comparable to? Evil Dead. Or hell, even Jay & Silent Bob.

Ash is Bruce. Bruce is Ash.

Should someone other than Jason Mewes and Kevin Smith play Jay and Silent Bob if, for some ungodly reason, some tool decides to remake Clerks in 2067?

They are characters created by a director/actor duo that exist only in the context of that union.

Maybe some day, they'll remake ROCKY. And maybe on that day, everyone will rally behind the actor of the week to play Balboa, because he just had a hit 3 days ago (forgetting he bombed out as both the Phantom and Dracula a mere few years earlier).

Jesus Christ on a Cross, dying for our sins.:dry:

[RedIsNotBlue]

Paste Pot Pete = Better than you.

[Mr Jide]

I want to see more Snake Plisken tales not another video game turned movie.

Metal gear is more than just a video game.

[I_Hate_U_All]

Literally, it isn't, but it's idiotic to assume that since it's a videogame it's not a great story too. And MGS is a great story goddamit.

[I_Hate_U_All]

Why does everything have to be a damn FRANCHISE? It was a classic movie made 25 years ago, with one failed, mostly forgotten sequel to its name. I don't call that a franchise, especially one that so desperately needs to be resurrected.

Snake is not Batman, Spider-Man or Bond. Those are characters that existed before and outside of their movies; the actors who portray them are merely custodians of the character.

Snake is Kurt. Kurt is Snake.

You know what it's more comparable to? Evil Dead. Or hell, even Jay & Silent Bob.

Ash is Bruce. Bruce is Ash.

Should someone other than Jason Mewes and Kevin Smith play Jay and Silent Bob if, for some ungodly reason, some tool decides to remake Clerks in 2067?

They are characters created by a director/actor duo that exist only in the context of that union.

Maybe some day, they'll remake ROCKY. And maybe on that day, everyone will rally behind the actor of the week to play Balboa, because he just had a hit 3 days ago (forgetting he bombed out as both the Phantom and Dracula a mere few years earlier).

Jesus Christ on a Cross, dying for our sins.:dry:

*sigh*

I know how you feel. It just warms my heart to know that there are some out there on the internet who know what the heck they're talking about.

Only in this case I've never cared about this Escape from new york flick. Might check it out some time though...

[Hunter Rider]

How do you know? Do you honestly think it's only updated effects? C'mon hunter. They will also update the storyline to fit in with today's advances in technology. Not the film F/X but the actual mindset of this era as opposed to the late 70's when this was written. Certain aspects of the story are gonna have to change. Also the point of them doing this is not to create "ONE" film. It's to create a franchise. I've said from the beginning retelling the NY storyline is great as long as they make it fresh and new and update it like you say...however that's not what is turning me on to this project. It's the prospect of a franchise of at least a trilogy. First they need to make a great first film. It is possible with the right talent.

While the social and political backdrops will obviously alter the concept and story should be the same so i don't see it as a new tale.

This is not directed at you Hunter or anyone specifically...

Good b/c i am actually for this.

[Dr. Fate]

Do we really need a remake of "Escape From New York"? I think not. Next they're gonna want to remake "Big Trouble In Little China" and "Starman" and whatever other John Carpenter films were well liked or have been liked.

[dark_b]

Escape from NY is a film that I think would be a great remake. Just because other remakes have been screwed up doesn't mean all remakes will be screwed up. Look at The Thing. That was a remake of a classic disguised as a sequel. Before you assume they're gonna screw it up let's see who they hire as the director and see how the cast fills up. I hate it when they screw up remakes like The Hitcher.i thought that he meant that they should stop making remakes because it is not original.
you are talking about the qualitiy of the reamkes right?

[Advanced Dark]

Why does everything have to be a damn FRANCHISE? It was a classic movie made 25 years ago, with one failed, mostly forgotten sequel to its name. I don't call that a franchise, especially one that so desperately needs to be resurrected.

Snake is not Batman, Spider-Man or Bond. Those are characters that existed before and outside of their movies; the actors who portray them are merely custodians of the character.

Snake is Kurt. Kurt is Snake.

You know what it's more comparable to? Evil Dead. Or hell, even Jay & Silent Bob.

Ash is Bruce. Bruce is Ash.

Should someone other than Jason Mewes and Kevin Smith play Jay and Silent Bob if, for some ungodly reason, some tool decides to remake Clerks in 2067?

They are characters created by a director/actor duo that exist only in the context of that union.

Maybe some day, they'll remake ROCKY. And maybe on that day, everyone will rally behind the actor of the week to play Balboa, because he just had a hit 3 days ago (forgetting he bombed out as both the Phantom and Dracula a mere few years earlier).

Jesus Christ on a Cross, dying for our sins.:dry:

Who said "everything" has to be a franchise. In fact somewhere up there I said the exact opposite.

I didn't seen any of you people above whining and complaining about remakes above that were NOT drooling and slapping your monkey to Casino Royale. LOL Why remake a classic huh? WHy why why? LOL Also Phantom and Dracula did not bomb because of the actor. They bombed because interest was not there.

[nocomics]

/sigh another remake :( How many remakes of classics is this like 100trillion...Get some originality,theres tons of novels/comics/short stories that can be made into movies...
Agree,that Kurt brought alot to this role,would gerard be any better? Don't know,possibly. Would I like to see a remake? Not sure,but Im a sucker for action movies so I'd probably see it..
I'd rather Gerard go for 'GOD of WAR' movie than this.

[Advanced Dark]

Well we all have to assume this movie IS being made so why all the moaning. You can moan for the rest of your life but it is what it is.

I guarantee every single fan of the original film will be in the theaters seats the first weekend this film comes out. All of you complaining about this will buy a ticket and be there. THAT is why they're remaking it. Is that reason enough? Hell no. They have to make it good. It's going to depend on the director. Can they get a big name? Who knows maybe Zack Snyder will direct it. They're going to keep remaking classics if they feel it's worth it. If there's potential for a studio to make money off a franchise why would they ignore that? It's not like the studio can only make one film. They can still make a movie with an original script AND a remake. Some of you act like there's not enough room for both.

[Advanced Dark]

Do we really need a remake of "Escape From New York"? I think not. Next they're gonna want to remake "Big Trouble In Little China" and "Starman" and whatever other John Carpenter films were well liked or have been liked.

The difference is there's no need or interest out there in a remake of those films. Escape from NY has a bankable character that clearly had more stories to tell. Most films out there don't need remakes...EFNY could benefit greatly from one. I also thought War of the Worlds and King Kong deserved remakes but personally thought they were fluff and nothing more. Casino Royale deserved a remake and it worked out, Batman's origin story needed to be retold IMO...and it worked out. The Shining did NOT need a remake. That was just bad. There are still plenty of other remakes I'm looking forward to like clash of the Titans. The hardest thing is remaking a film where a particular character was so good in the role it's hard imagining someone else....get over it.

[Addendum]

Who said "everything" has to be a franchise. In fact somewhere up there I said the exact opposite.

I didn't seen any of you people above whining and complaining about remakes above that were NOT drooling and slapping your monkey to Casino Royale. LOL Why remake a classic huh? WHy why why?

The recent James Bond movie wasn't a remake of the film from the 60s. It was a serious movie adapation of the source material, which was the first James Bond book, done by the movie company which is responsible for every James Bond movie, except for the original Casino Royale which sucked, and Never Say Never Again which also sucked and was a remake of Thunderball.

[Addendum]

Well we all have to assume this movie IS being made so why all the moaning. You can moan for the rest of your life but it is what it is.

I guarantee every single fan of the original film will be in the theaters seats the first weekend this film comes out. All of you complaining about this will buy a ticket and be there.

Bull****. You're talking to a fan of the original who won't buy a ticket for this

[Advanced Dark]

^ LOL you're funny addendum. Of course you will...you just won't tell me about it. It's alright though. It's funny you won't buy a ticket and the only thing you know is Butler is involved. You don't know who the director is, how the story is gonna pan out, how long the film is, who the rest of the cast will be, etc...I could understand if it was gonna be directed by McG or Uwe and DJ Squalls was playing Snake Plisskin but now you're just being ridiculous.

[Addendum]

^ LOL you're funny addendum. Of course you will...you just won't tell me about it. It's alright though. It's funny you won't buy a ticket and the only thing you know is Butler is involved. You don't know who the director is, how the story is gonna pan out, how long the film is, who the rest of the cast will be, etc...I could understand if it was gonna be directed by McG or Uwe and DJ Squalls was playing Snake Plisskin but now you're just being ridiculous.

Again, bull****.

I don't give a damn who is directing it, who is playing Snake, and all that other stuff. When I saw the word Remake, my mind was already made up.

It's funny that one can't comprehend that someone doesn't throw money at every movie that comes out.

Last year was an off-year for me. I saw a whopping 4 movies- Silent Hill, Borat, World Trade Center, and Jackass 2.

Before that, the most I saw was 2 movies a year

[Advanced Dark]

The recent James Bond movie wasn't a remake of the film from the 60s. It was a serious movie adapation of the source material, which was the first James Bond book, done by the movie company which is responsible for every James Bond movie, except for the original Casino Royale which sucked, and Never Say Never Again which also sucked and was a remake of Thunderball.

And exactly how are they going to do the remake of Escape from NY? Have you seen the script yet? The fact is you dont' know anything about this remake except Butler is up for Plissken and he's going to be Escaping from NY. You dont' know why or how? Do you really think he's going to be sent in to give a casette tape of The Presidents speech and then trick us all again by switching tapes. LOL It's gonna be a updating telling based on the same premise. As far as Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again sucking...that's your opinion.

[Rac]

So there's not going to be the rumored third Escape from with Kurt and Carpenter? I'd rather have a medicore sequel than bad remake.

[Advanced Dark]

^ When was there an annoucement of a "bad" remake? I missed that one. We already had a less than mediocre sequel. I think they'd like to make another sequel but right now it makes no sense. They have a great potential franchise but it's best to retell the original storyline and update it. Then spin sequels off of that film. This is nothing but good news. Alot of you are just assuming the worst and complaining. Instead I still don't get why we're all not talking about casting, premise, what scenes from the original you want to see and how they can make them better, how Butler can portray Plissken with respect. We all know Butler isn't gonna even attempt to copy Kurt Russell's character. Just like the last James Bond film where Daniel Craig in many interviews said he was gonna make James Bond his own. He wasn't going to copy the other actors. Look what happened. He surprised alot of people. I thought the public wasn't going to accept him. I didn't see it...but I still went and watched it. With James Bond it wasn't really about remaking the story but how Craig would remake Bond himself. That's the problem Butler is gonna have with Snake. Can he remake the character and turn it into his own in a good way? I dunno but I'm not gonna be a big baby and say I'm not going to see it before I know anything about it.

[Addendum]

And exactly how are they going to do the remake of Escape from NY? Have you seen the script yet? The fact is you dont' know anything about this remake except Butler is up for Plissken and he's going to be Escaping from NY. You dont' know why or how? Do you really think he's going to be sent in to give a casette tape of The Presidents speech and then trick us all again by switching tapes.

I = the nominative singular pronoun, used by a speaker in referring to himself or herself

don't = contraction of do not

give a damn = to care; be concerned; consider as important

[DorkyFresh]

So there's not going to be the rumored third Escape from with Kurt and Carpenter? I'd rather have a medicore sequel than bad remake.

i still have mixed feelings about a remake but if they're gonna make another Snake Plisken movie i'd much rather have a reboot/remake than a sequel for 3 reasons...

1 - the FIRST sequel (Escape from LA) was BARELY mediocre.
2 - the second sequel would've been entitled "Escape from Earth"...nuff said.
3 - i don't think Kurt Russel can run, jump, and fight like he used to.

if they can flesh out the movie and make it a believable futuristic world ala Minority Report and Children of Men then i'd love to see it remade.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/gerardsnake5.jpg

[Darthphere]

I just dont think Butler should get stuck in the action hero roles. As long as he doesn't I'm fine with that.

[Spider-Fan]

The difference is there's no need or interest out there in a remake of those films. Escape from NY has a bankable character that clearly had more stories to tell. Most films out there don't need remakes...EFNY could benefit greatly from one. I also thought War of the Worlds and King Kong deserved remakes but personally thought they were fluff and nothing more. Casino Royale deserved a remake and it worked out, Batman's origin story needed to be retold IMO...and it worked out. The Shining did NOT need a remake. That was just bad. There are still plenty of other remakes I'm looking forward to like clash of the Titans. The hardest thing is remaking a film where a particular character was so good in the role it's hard imagining someone else....get over it.

King Kong = remake

Casino Royale and The Shining = NOT REMAKES (for that matter, I am not sure War of the Worlds is either).

Stop using these movies in your examples. You are naming a bunch of "remakes" that are not remakes. The other Shinning movie was another movie based on the book by Stephen King (script also written by Stephen King), not based on Kubrick's adaptation of King's novel. Same goes for Casino Royale. It was a movie based on Flemming's novel. Just because the story had been made into a movie once and they do it again doesn't mean it is a remake. Remakes are when the studio adapts a previous screenplay (King Kong and Down to Earth (remake of Heaven Can Wait) are examples). However, Casino Royale, The Shinning, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, etc are not remakes.

That said, I have always wanted to see Escape From New York, but never got around to it. I don't like the amount of remakes made, but I am not against the practice of making them. I just think Hollywood needs to limit this practice a bit.

I will wait and see on this project before passing judgement.

[Advanced Dark]

When I use the term remake I'm referring to remaking a new script from an old premise. It doesn't matter if they make it completely different it's still a reimaginging of the same premise and sometimes it can be a much better way to tell the story, or a better way to present the character. Howabout..."restart" then.

It's way to early to tell if this movie is going to be bad or good. However...we all know the storyline and the character and pretty much everything is positive about that. It's not like Eddie Murphy is going to be cast as Snake. We're in a hurry up and wait mode now.

[Hunter Rider]

Who said "everything" has to be a franchise. In fact somewhere up there I said the exact opposite.

I didn't seen any of you people above whining and complaining about remakes above that were NOT drooling and slapping your monkey to Casino Royale. LOL Why remake a classic huh? WHy why why? LOL Also Phantom and Dracula did not bomb because of the actor. They bombed because interest was not there.

Well Casino Royale was never considered a classic on any level and i keep hearing you say the snake character is an icon,i thought he was more a cult fav,he isn't Indy level popular to my knowledge

[Advanced Dark]

Well Casino Royale was never considered a classic on any level and i keep hearing you say the snake character is an icon,i thought he was more a cult fav,he isn't Indy level popular to my knowledge


Snake Plisskin is the ultimate Anti-Hero similar to Riddick which I'm sure was somewhat inspired by Plisskin. Yeah he's a cult favorite and no he's not as popular as Indy...but it's hard to imagine any movie buff or sci-fi fan who didn't like the character. Kurt Russell was awesome in that role but he's not the only thing that made the movie great. The whole premise was just cool. Why they made escape from LA which to me was more of a remake disguised as a sequel...is beyond me. They would have been better off just continuing the adventures of Snake perhaps being on the run from the law...or had him go back into NY for one reason or another. They didn't do that and now it's just too late to have Kurt Russell portray Plisskin in his prime. The character is immortal like Spider-Man, Batman, etc...No reason why the actor can't be replaced as long as he (as I've said a few times) makes the character his own. I think Gerard could do it as could a few other actors as there are very few cases of a character that just can't be replaced. Bond, Batman, Superman, Jack Ryan, and sooner or later Spider-Man and the X-Men will all be replaced by new actors. Fans will scream at first but there's no stopping it. We can only cross our fingers they do a great job.

[Assassin32]

I hope this doesn't happen.

[Advanced Dark]

Why would you a hope a movie isn't made? LOL

It's not like you have to watch it. If you don't want to watch it...don't. It doesn't effect you nor does it effect the first film. The first film will still exist.

[black_dust]

Who ever plays snake i hope they get his personality right

"The president has been kidnapped"

"President of what.....?"

I love that i dont really give a **** attitude

[Advanced Dark]

Yeah that attitude is essential. And I want more hand to hand combat and gunplay mixed in. Maybe instead of going into the boxing ring with a huge bald guy they could throw him in a cage with a Ultimate Fighting Champion turned convicted felon. They could really have fun with it by taking the best scenes from the film and upgrading them. I want to see more of the sewer dwellers this time around too and I want whatever they do to be more graphic. The World Trade center is gone so he won't be landing there. Perhaps if the studio can figure out the design of what's going there the could use that. The submarine thing from the "LA" sequel was a good idea but man did they make that corny. Could have been done much better...or just dropped him in w/a chute. I think they exit should still be on a bridge but the George Washington Bridge...or perhaps through the Holland Tunnel or something. Who the hell is gonna play Cabby if they use him or someone similar to him. Too bad Seizmore is such a freak. LOL

I can tell you right now this had better be an R rated film. PG-13 and we'll have Riddick all over again. I don't want that.

I'm gonna LMFAO when Colin Farrel signs on for a Mad Max restart. LOL Just listening to all the whining is going to be entertaining. ;)

[mastermindjcg]

Now, granted, John Carpenter may have directed a cinematic steamin' turd or deux in recent years; however, as a film enthusiast dork, I have to give the man credit for the films which he did strike gold with including The Fog, Starman, and of course, The Thing, which was a remake and an awesome one at that. So, when Carpenter remakes a film, it usually works; however, when someone tries to remake a Carpenter picture, it's crap, plain and simple and do not try to justify the "Fog" remake to me. I don't care how hot Selma Blair is.
Now, on top of a remake of Halloween, one of those pictures that should have been off limits for remaking forever, there is now preparations to redo "Escape From New York". When I first about that, I almost cut all the sleeves off my shirts, ripped my eye out, slapped a patch over it, and told everyone to start calling me "Snake" as doom rained down on city streets everywhere. If I were Carpenter, I would be screaming "bloody murder" and asking for people's heads for screwing with my brilliant film resume like this. First, the powers that be decided to f*** with George Romero's films, now this.
I can only hope that JC is in the midst of writing a screenplay for a picture that involves revenge against studio executives and development twits. He can make it cheap, like the good ol' days, and just sell it online and make millions just from that venue alone. Bottom line, I don't care what you say, but remaking "Escape" is wrong. I mean, seriously, who are they possibly gonna get to replace Adrianne Barbeau and her five star rack?

-so sayeth the mastermind(Call me Snake)-

[black_dust]

Now, granted, John Carpenter may have directed a cinematic steamin' turd or deux in recent years; however, as a film enthusiast dork, I have to give the man credit for the films which he did strike gold with including The Fog, Starman, and of course, The Thing, which was a remake and an awesome one at that. So, when Carpenter remakes a film, it usually works; however, when someone tries to remake a Carpenter picture, it's crap, plain and simple and do not try to justify the "Fog" remake to me. I don't care how hot Selma Blair is.
Now, on top of a remake of Halloween, one of those pictures that should have been off limits for remaking forever, there is now preparations to redo "Escape From New York". When I first about that, I almost cut all the sleeves off my shirts, ripped my eye out, slapped a patch over it, and told everyone to start calling me "Snake" as doom rained down on city streets everywhere. If I were Carpenter, I would be screaming "bloody murder" and asking for people's heads for screwing with my brilliant film resume like this. First, the powers that be decided to f*** with George Romero's films, now this.
I can only hope that JC is in the midst of writing a screenplay for a picture that involves revenge against studio executives and development twits. He can make it cheap, like the good ol' days, and just sell it online and make millions just from that venue alone. Bottom line, I don't care what you say, but remaking "Escape" is wrong. I mean, seriously, who are they possibly gonna get to replace Adrianne Barbeau and her five star rack?

-so sayeth the mastermind(Call me Snake)-


Wouldnt John own the rights to the Characters in Halloween and Escape from... seeing as he hasnt done a film in awhile he is running out of money and sold the rights to his characters?

[Kevin Roegele]

Now, granted, John Carpenter may have directed a cinematic steamin' turd or deux in recent years; however, as a film enthusiast dork, I have to give the man credit for the films which he did strike gold with including The Fog, Starman, and of course, The Thing, which was a remake and an awesome one at that. So, when Carpenter remakes a film, it usually works; however, when someone tries to remake a Carpenter picture, it's crap, plain and simple and do not try to justify the "Fog" remake to me. I don't care how hot Selma Blair is.
Now, on top of a remake of Halloween, one of those pictures that should have been off limits for remaking forever, there is now preparations to redo "Escape From New York". When I first about that, I almost cut all the sleeves off my shirts, ripped my eye out, slapped a patch over it, and told everyone to start calling me "Snake" as doom rained down on city streets everywhere. If I were Carpenter, I would be screaming "bloody murder" and asking for people's heads for screwing with my brilliant film resume like this. First, the powers that be decided to f*** with George Romero's films, now this.
I can only hope that JC is in the midst of writing a screenplay for a picture that involves revenge against studio executives and development twits. He can make it cheap, like the good ol' days, and just sell it online and make millions just from that venue alone. Bottom line, I don't care what you say, but remaking "Escape" is wrong. I mean, seriously, who are they possibly gonna get to replace Adrianne Barbeau and her five star rack?

-so sayeth the mastermind(Call me Snake)-

The very idea of re-doing Escape from New York defies sense, because it's the very John Carpenter-ness of the thing that makes it what it is. It's the mood, the lo-fi tension and just-dont-care badassness that makes it special.

And how anybody could suggest, nay even consider, Snake Plissken NOT played by Kurt Russell is either a lunatic or a heretic.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Why would you a hope a movie isn't made? LOL

It's not like you have to watch it. If you don't want to watch it...don't. It doesn't effect you nor does it effect the first film. The first film will still exist.

I love when people give me the "well it doesn't affect you if it gets made!". Well actually yeah it does because instead of them I don't know making something ORIGINAL and SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE they are going to put time and money into something I have no interest in.

[Hunter Rider]

Now, granted, John Carpenter may have directed a cinematic steamin' turd or deux in recent years; however, as a film enthusiast dork, I have to give the man credit for the films which he did strike gold with including The Fog, Starman, and of course, The Thing, which was a remake and an awesome one at that. So, when Carpenter remakes a film, it usually works; however, when someone tries to remake a Carpenter picture, it's crap, plain and simple and do not try to justify the "Fog" remake to me. I don't care how hot Selma Blair is.
Now, on top of a remake of Halloween, one of those pictures that should have been off limits for remaking forever, there is now preparations to redo "Escape From New York". When I first about that, I almost cut all the sleeves off my shirts, ripped my eye out, slapped a patch over it, and told everyone to start calling me "Snake" as doom rained down on city streets everywhere. If I were Carpenter, I would be screaming "bloody murder" and asking for people's heads for screwing with my brilliant film resume like this. First, the powers that be decided to f*** with George Romero's films, now this.
I can only hope that JC is in the midst of writing a screenplay for a picture that involves revenge against studio executives and development twits. He can make it cheap, like the good ol' days, and just sell it online and make millions just from that venue alone. Bottom line, I don't care what you say, but remaking "Escape" is wrong. I mean, seriously, who are they possibly gonna get to replace Adrianne Barbeau and her five star rack?

-so sayeth the mastermind(Call me Snake)-

Last interview i read with Carpenter when the Fog remake came out was that he didn't care as long as he got his cut as his version would always be there on DVD.

[Hunter Rider]

I love when people give me the "well it doesn't affect you if it gets made!". Well actually yeah it does because instead of them I don't know making something ORIGINAL and SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE they are going to put time and money into something I have no interest in.

But there are movies every day announced that don't interest me and ten others that do,so those that don't just get crossed of my list,i see no big deal there at all.

[RedIsNotBlue]

But there are movies every day announced that don't interest me and ten others that do,so those that don't just get crossed of my list,i see no big deal there at all.

That is the point. I am saying that there are probably original scripts and ideas out there that get put on the backburner all the time because studios feel it would be too risky to put the money and time into and instead opt for these remakes just milk a franchise for all it is worth.

[Hunter Rider]

That is the point. I am saying that there are probably original scripts and ideas out there that get put on the backburner all the time because studios feel it would be too risky to put the money and time into and instead opt for these remakes just milk a franchise for all it is worth.

Those scripts could be a pile of crap as well though and these days there are so many movies made every year i am sure both get made,i just don't see why ppl get so upset,if a movie is being made that doesn't interest me i just move along to one that does,i usually find plenty of films a year to enjoy without worrying about those that don't appeal to me but each to their own i guess.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Those scripts could be a pile of crap as well though and these days there are so many movies made every year i am sure both get made,i just don't see why ppl get so upset,if a movie is being made that doesn't interest me i just move along to one that does,i usually find plenty of films a year to enjoy without worrying about those that don't appeal to me but each to their own i guess.

Well I feel that a majority of these remakes are significantly worse therefore making them a complete waste of time and money. And considering the theatres are flooded with remakes, prequels, sequels, etc. that makes the good films harder to find. That is just my personal point of view. I mean I can probably count the good films I saw last year on my hands and the bad ones I would need a piece of paper and a pencil.

And of course those scripts could be bad too but take for example M. Night Shymalan's newest script that got the all around snub from studios. That was obviously because Lady in the Water didn't do so well at theatres. Latino Review came out with a script review short after confused as too why it got declined everywhere since it was in their opinion a great script.

[Hunter Rider]

Well I feel that a majority of these remakes are significantly worse therefore making them a complete waste of time and money. And considering the theatres are flooded with remakes, prequels, sequels, etc. that makes the good films harder to find. That is just my personal point of view. I mean I can probably count the good films I saw last year on my hands and the bad ones I would need a piece of paper and a pencil.

Fair enough,some of the remakes Ive found vastly superior myself but the biggest issues for me are game adaptions and i think this particular movie is ripe for a remake

And of course those scripts could be bad too but take for example M. Night Shymalan's newest script that got the all around snub from studios. That was obviously because Lady in the Water didn't do so well at theatres. Latino Review came out with a script review short after confused as too why it got declined everywhere since it was in their opinion a great script.

Well that was an odd set of circumstances but yeah,still i wasn't that impressed with concept but it may be good.

[Lord Blackbolt]

Russell isn't too old to still play Snake. He still looks badass. Look at Grindhouse

[The Dark Defender]

Last interview i read with Carpenter when the Fog remake came out was that he didn't care as long as he got his cut as his version would always be there on DVD.

That's how Carpenter has always been. He directs films he cares about, and "produces" films he couldn't care less about so long as he gets paid.
I've always respected his honesty about that.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Russell isn't too old to still play Snake. He still looks badass. Look at Grindhouse

Yeah I thought that myself. If ****ing Harrison Ford can handle Indiana Jones 4 what the hell?

[RedIsNotBlue]

Fair enough,some of the remakes Ive found vastly superior myself but the biggest issues for me are game adaptions and i think this particular movie is ripe for a remake



Well that was an odd set of circumstances but yeah,still i wasn't that impressed with concept but it may be good.

It's all good it comes down to personal opinion. But I do think it is unfair to say people have no right to be angry that certain movies are getting made while people can be excited for certain movies getting made.

[Addendum]

Well, I was really pissed off that the original Italian Job wasn't available on DVD for a long time.

Then when it was finally announced, it had to be bumped back for the dopey remake to come out.

Then it finally came out on DVD the same day as the remake, and I didn't even glance at the remake.

[jaydawg]

Meh. The original wasnt that great to begin with.

[Alexia Dark]

I have no idea what the movie is about. But more Gerry is always a good thing :up:.

[Warhammer]

The very idea of re-doing Escape from New York defies sense, because it's the very John Carpenter-ness of the thing that makes it what it is. It's the mood, the lo-fi tension and just-dont-care badassness that makes it special.

And how anybody could suggest, nay even consider, Snake Plissken NOT played by Kurt Russell is either a lunatic or a heretic.

Always right. :up:

[Warhammer]

While this may be good, I truly think that Hollywood needs to STOP with all of these damn remakes. I'm getting sick and tired of them. I don't even care if they are good remakes, they just need to stop. The only remakes that should be made are very old movies that could seriously benefit from being remade today (like Clash of The Titans or Masters of the Universe).

:up:

I feel like quoting myself. :)

[Grim Goblin]

Dammit, why does hollywood insist on crapping all over the legacy of true classics! They might as well take a stick, shove it up a big steamy turd, put an eye patch on it and call it Snake because the result is gonna be pretty close to that anyway! :mad:

And for Christ's sake, I don't want to hear about how "new generations are going to miss out on all those great films if we don't remake them!"... BULL****! You know what? if you don't want them to miss out on something, clean the print, re-release them in theaters and have a new dvd release with tons of cool extras. I may not like the guy, but George Lucas has proven it can be pulled off!!!

Also, and it's nothing personnal Advanced Dark, but what kinda ****ing argument is "but it could be a franchise"? :confused:

why does everything needs to be a franchise? They had a great movie with a precise plot. It's done, it's over. The last thing we need is more Snake escapes from *insert name*. That's exactly why the sequel sucked ass, because they tried to follow a formula that can only become ridiculous with repetitions. Now if they had made the continuing adventures of Snake on the road and being chased by the government and so forth, then we would have had a fresh "franchise" that explores characters instead of formulas...

If Hollywood is so ****ing eager to do remakes, why don't they concentrate on remaking films that had great concepts, but bad execution. That way you could at least turn crap into gold instead of the other way around!

rant over, got a smoke?

[Hunter Rider]

It's all good it comes down to personal opinion. But I do think it is unfair to say people have no right to be angry that certain movies are getting made while people can be excited for certain movies getting made.

Oh i wasn't suggesting ppl not put their side if it is negative i was just saying i personally just move on if a movie isn't to my liking,i tend to focus more on the ones i am looking forward to than complaining about the ones i am not.

Meh. The original wasnt that great to begin with.

i agree,great character and concept though.

Russell isn't too old to still play Snake. He still looks badass. Look at Grindhouse

It's probably b/c they are hoping for sequels over the next 6 or 7 years

[Advanced Dark]

Hunter I'm with you 100% on all those answers. I've been saying that all along. It's important for any actor to have a franchise. Something they can fall back on and in between do the smaller films. Many actors do this. They do the blockbusters to make the cash and make the smaller or more Oscar worthy films in between. It keeps them in the limelight and keeps their market value up. Gerard Butler even after 300 is NOT a household name. He might be to people on these forums no doubt. Just like most people don't know who the hell Doug Jones is...but here he's known by most everyone. Both for different reasons but just showing how popularity can be isolated. So for those worried about Gerard being stuck in only action movies...it doesn't have to happen. Bruce Willis has followed this pattern of going back to Die Hard or similar films for the big pay day...and in between doing lots of smaller films. It's all good.

[Advanced Dark]

Dammit, why does hollywood insist on crapping all over the legacy of true classics! They might as well take a stick, shove it up a big steamy turd, put an eye patch on it and call it Snake because the result is gonna be pretty close to that anyway! :mad:

And for Christ's sake, I don't want to hear about how "new generations are going to miss out on all those great films if we don't remake them!"... BULL****! You know what? if you don't want them to miss out on something, clean the print, re-release them in theaters and have a new dvd release with tons of cool extras. I may not like the guy, but George Lucas has proven it can be pulled off!!!

Also, and it's nothing personnal Advanced Dark, but what kinda ****ing argument is "but it could be a franchise"? :confused:

why does everything needs to be a franchise? They had a great movie with a precise plot. It's done, it's over. The last thing we need is more Snake escapes from *insert name*. That's exactly why the sequel sucked ass, because they tried to follow a formula that can only become ridiculous with repetitions. Now if they had made the continuing adventures of Snake on the road and being chased by the government and so forth, then we would have had a fresh "franchise" that explores characters instead of formulas...

If Hollywood is so ****ing eager to do remakes, why don't they concentrate on remaking films that had great concepts, but bad execution. That way you could at least turn crap into gold instead of the other way around!

rant over, got a smoke?

Oh boy. LOL

Nobody said "every" film needs to be a franchise. Snake Plisskin is a perfect franchise character. It doesn't all have to be "escape from" either. The reason the sequel sucked ass is because it strayed from the formula that made the first one so good. It was more of a remake parody of the first then a sequel. I don't want them to make a remake or restart "just because". I want them to make it because they have a great character and premise to start from that should have been further explored. I don't want sequels like Men in Black 2 or garbage like Charlies Angels. I want a good storyline. Theres not reason why Snake Plisskin can't have at least a trilogy of films as good as the best of them. The fact is we don't know what the details are yet. It might turn out that they screw it all up...if that's the case don't freaking watch it. Or it might turn out (believe it or not) that the remake is superior to the original in most every way. That doens't mean you still won't love the original...who knows. I know many people who said Sean Connery is the man. Nobody will ever beat him as Bond he's the best. Alot of them are scracthing their heads now after Daniel Craig. Not because he's a better Bond neccesarily but because he's a different Bond. He's giving us a different take on the character which is refreshing after seeing so much cheese fester in that franchise. There's not reason for any of you to throw hissy fits without knowing more information. Trust me this is one of my favorite films and Snake Plisskin is one of my favorite characters. The last thing I want is for them to screw it up. But as a fan the first thing I want is them to take it a steo further and introduce this character to a new generation of fans. If it sucks I'll be the first one here online to say it sucks...then I'll move onto some other thread.

[Addendum]

Why can't this generation grab the DVD and watch it?

[Advanced Dark]

Why can't they make it...and YOU not watch it?

[Superman]

I just busted one when I read this! My freaking God I can't wait!!!!!!! This is going to be a popular topic! The original is one of my favorite films of all time. Top 20 for sure. The sequel blew ass but can you imagine what they could have done with this franchise? Now we'll see and with a real budget!!!

You know you're pinching yourself now.:woot:

[B][SIZE=3]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961020.html?categoryid=13&cs=1This might be good.

:super:

[Kritish]

REMAKES!!!!

[Addendum]

Why can't they make it...and YOU not watch it?
Are you financially involved with this project? Because I think all your whoring on about it would've made some money by now

[Advanced Dark]

^ Nope. Not at all. Does someone have to be financially involved to enjoy a film or want a franchise to be built around one of their favorite characters. The movie is being shopped around so there is no studio yet. Perhaps if it goes to one of the studios I'm invested it I will be financially involved. :) Until then you can end the accusations. If you still think I'm whoring just get off my street corner (this thread). Bye.

[Mr Sparkle]

is it really too much to ask for these people to produce original Ideas?
seriously?

[Advanced Dark]

^ Tired lame argument. Like there's no room for remakes only original ideas. Nothing should ever be remade ever. LOL Too bad the World just doesn't turn that way for you. The demand is there. The question is can they deliver and can they make it better by making this storyline different enough from the original while keeping the core elements that made it so great for it's time.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Why can't they make it...and YOU not watch it?

I thought that is what we have been saying??? Haha. I mean god forbid people hate something your for. They are going to make it regardless of what a few posters say in some forum on a board but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to show disgust for it.

[Fanticon]

How come theres not a 'yes' 'no' or 'maybe' ? I hate polls like this. pointless.

[Advanced Dark]

Uhhh there is a yes, no and maybe in that order.

[Advanced Dark]

I thought that is what we have been saying??? Haha. I mean god forbid people hate something your for. They are going to make it regardless of what a few posters say in some forum on a board but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to show disgust for it.

The difference is I'm excited because I'm a fan of the original and would love to see it updated. Others are showing disgust based on just the thought of remaking it without knowing anything more. Pretty silly to me. None of us know anything that would make one disgusted but there's plenty of reason to be excited if you're fan of the character. There's potential here.

[Mr Sparkle]

^ Tired lame argument. Like there's no room for remakes only original ideas. Nothing should ever be remade ever. LOL Too bad the World just doesn't turn that way for you. The demand is there. The question is can they deliver and can they make it better by making this storyline different enough from the original while keeping the core elements that made it so great for it's time.

actually, the tired lame argument belongs to you.
see, if Craven hadn't made the ORIGINAL , there would be NOTHING to remake.
DUH! :o
there's no "demand" just morons that think it's "awesome", the studios are cranking out this crap and you are all eating it up.
the same brand of morons that when TV was littered with reality TV bull**** said "well if you don't like them, then don't watch them LOL"
remember how well that worked out?
so yeah, this remaking old movies thing blows, original Ideas FTW.
I'm going to guess you're too young to have seen the original in Theaters so :down

[RedIsNotBlue]

The difference is I'm excited because I'm a fan of the original and would love to see it updated. Others are showing disgust based on just the thought of remaking it without knowing anything more. Pretty silly to me. None of us know anything that would make one disgusted but there's plenty of reason to be excited if you're fan of the character. There's potential here.

Quit being so ****ing hypocritcal. Your basically saying it is fine for you to be excited about something you know nothing about other than its being remade and its silly for me to be disgusted about something thats being remade. We both know the same ****ing thing why is your gut reaction right and mine wrong after being letdown with a barrage of past failed remakes??? You act like such a tool sometimes.

[DorkyFresh]

i'm open to remakes/reboots if they're done in a way that honors the original while introducing something new. my fave remakes/reboots are...

King Kong
Dawn of the Dead
Batman Begins
Casino Royale
Manchurian Candidate
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Longest Yard
Ocean's Eleven
Italian Job
Flight of the Pheonix
The Omen
Insomnia

those are remakes that are justifed, imo. that being said...i'm open to an Escape from NY remake as long as they flesh everything out and go over the details ala Batman Begins and Casino Royale. i have no problem with another man playing Snake because he'd be playing the character of Snake Plissken, not Kurt Russell the actor. most people considered Christopher Reeve to be the definitive Superman, yet most of the those same people were able to accept Brandon Routh as Superman just fine.

if this remake happens and it sux then oh well, we won't lose anything cuz we'll still have the original. if it happens and it rocks then we'll have another good remake. if it doesn't happen that's fine too......that's the way i look at it.

[black_dust]

/\ no hills have eyes?

[DorkyFresh]

i thought it was just okay. there were several things in that movie that erked me...mainly "there's no way he could've done that" kind of stuff. it was a decent remake....just not one i would buy.

[Advanced Dark]

i'm open to remakes/reboots if they're done in a way that honors the original while introducing something new. my fave remakes/reboots are...

King Kong
Dawn of the Dead
Batman Begins
Casino Royale
Manchurian Candidate
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Longest Yard
Ocean's Eleven
Italian Job
Flight of the Pheonix
The Omen
Insomnia

those are remakes that are justifed, imo. that being said...i'm open to an Escape from NY remake as long as they flesh everything out and go over the details ala Batman Begins and Casino Royale. i have no problem with another man playing Snake because he'd be playing the character of Snake Plissken, not Kurt Russell the actor. most people considered Christopher Reeve to be the definitive Superman, yet most of the those same people were able to accept Brandon Routh as Superman just fine.

if this remake happens and it sux then oh well, we won't lose anything cuz we'll still have the original. if it happens and it rocks then we'll have another good remake. if it doesn't happen that's fine too......that's the way i look at it.

Don't forget "The Thing". I liked Dawn of the Dead and I'm curious about Day of the Dead which is supposed to come out next month.

[Hunter Rider]

If they are gonna go through with this i'd rather see this guy as Snake

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3932/psawyereq3.jpg

[Advanced Dark]

^ Does he have a personality? I'm not recognizing him for some reason. He's got that Charles Manson stare.

[Hunter Rider]

^ Does he have a personality? I'm not recognizing him for some reason. He's got that Charles Manson stare.

He's from LOST,yes he has charisma and plays a mercenary type character akin to Snake and Han Solo,he also has a good voice for Snake IMO which is my one concern over Butler.

[Advanced Dark]

He's from LOST,yes he has charisma and plays a mercenary type character akin to Snake and Han Solo,he also has a good voice for Snake IMO which is my one concern over Butler.

Tried to watch Lost just couldn't get into it so I gave up. That's why I don't recognize him but I see the pic is titled PSawyer.

[Hunter Rider]

Tried to watch Lost just couldn't get into it so I gave up. That's why I don't recognize him but I see the pic is titled PSawyer.

Yeah Sawyer is his characters name,his real name is Josh Holloway.

[Advanced Dark]

Ahh ok I've heard his name before.

[Hunter Rider]

Actually just reading a bit more it seems Butler is actually one of the main reasons the studios want the remake,he is part of the package being bid for so if it gets picked up he will be Snake.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I like how you just stop replying when someone counters your statement successfully or sets you straight, AD. But whatever no reason to drag out our differing views.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Huh? No Red you start to get kind of personal in your posts, and BTW I do have a job. You might see me logged on but I'm not sitting at my computer. Nobody has set me straight. There was NOTHING to set straight. I think if you do read through my posts you'll find the counter to anything said. The only thing is we can't change each other's opinion so please...enough.

[Advanced Dark]

Actually just reading a bit more it seems Butler is actually one of the main reasons the studios want the remake,he is part of the package being bid for so if it gets picked up he will be Snake.

Yeah that's what I took out of it too. That's why I added a poll cause I figured he's the man.

[TheVileOne]

Why does everything have to be a damn FRANCHISE? It was a classic movie made 25 years ago, with one failed, mostly forgotten sequel to its name. I don't call that a franchise, especially one that so desperately needs to be resurrected.

Snake is not Batman, Spider-Man or Bond. Those are characters that existed before and outside of their movies; the actors who portray them are merely custodians of the character.

Snake is Kurt. Kurt is Snake.

You know what it's more comparable to? Evil Dead. Or hell, even Jay & Silent Bob.

Ash is Bruce. Bruce is Ash.

Should someone other than Jason Mewes and Kevin Smith play Jay and Silent Bob if, for some ungodly reason, some tool decides to remake Clerks in 2067?

They are characters created by a director/actor duo that exist only in the context of that union.

Maybe some day, they'll remake ROCKY. And maybe on that day, everyone will rally behind the actor of the week to play Balboa, because he just had a hit 3 days ago (forgetting he bombed out as both the Phantom and Dracula a mere few years earlier).

Jesus Christ on a Cross, dying for our sins.:dry:
Co-signed.

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=19396

The Escape Will Happen at New Line
Source: Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961252.html?categoryid=13&cs=1)
March 16, 2007


New Line has won the bidding war for a remake of Escape From New York, with 300 star Gerard Butler attached and Neal Moritz producing through his Original Films (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=19396#).

Black Hawk Down screenwriter (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=19396#) Ken Nolan is attached to write the script. Executive producers include Original's Ori Marmur; Ron Halpern and Frederic Sichler of Canal Plus, which held the remake rights; and John Carpenter, who directed the 1981 original.

Butler would portray Snake Plissken, the convict and war hero who's sent into a futuristic New York City -- which has been turned into a giant maximum security (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=19396#) prison -- to rescue the president of the U.S. after his plane is knocked down by terrorists. The original was set in 1998.

Kurt Russell played Plissken in the original film (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=19396#) and again in Carpenter's 1996 sequel Escape From Los Angeles.

[Maze]

New line has won the rights to release it:


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961252.html?categoryId=1959&cs=1


i'm still not sure this is a good idea seeing the cv of the producer and Russel being just the one in my eyes , but i will wait to see who is the director..

[Maze]

lol , ok Hunter you were faster :woot: :cwink:

hi :yay:

[Hunter Rider]

Heheh:D

Hi Maze:cwink:

[DorkyFresh]

i hope Ken Nolan is a hell of a writer. Black Hawk Down was a pretty good movie but he was only screenwriter on that one.

hope they can get a good director.

[Michael Allred]

First I want to ask why some of you keep refering to "Escape from Earth" as if it was a legit idea? John Carpenter said that title AS A JOKE in an interview years ago. It was never a serious idea.

Second, for the fools who say Kurt Russell is "too old" to play Snake, go watch "Grindhouse" next month and come back here and say that again with a straight face.

Third, as others have mentioned, Kurt Russell defined the role of Snake. When people think of the character they see Kurt's face, hear his voice, etc. Mr. Butler has some HUGE shoes to fill. Let's not forget the director...talk about walking in a master's footprints.....who's gonna be brave enough to step up to it?

Finally, I'm seeing a pattern here with Carpenter remakes. They either change essential bits for the sake of change ("Assault on Precinct 13" which, by the way, did not use the famous theme music from the original) or overexplain EVERYTHING ("The Fog") or expand on themes not terribly necessary to the story ("Halloween.") Somehow I think the "Escape" remake will suffer from all three.

They should just make one more film with Kurt and Carpenter to cap it all off THEN do a remake.

BTW, where the hell is that videogame that was promised a few years ago with Kurt providing the voice?

[Michael Allred]

Don't forget "The Thing".

"The Thing" was NOT a remake.

Say it with me....

"The Thing" was NOT a remake.

[Kent]

"The Thing" was NOT a remake.

Say it with me....

"The Thing" was NOT a remake.

Yes it was.

[Advanced Dark]

"The Thing" was NOT a remake.

Say it with me....

"The Thing" was NOT a remake.

If you've read any of my prior posts I know all about The Thing from Another World. I don't care that they use the old film for a reference. It's a freaking remake disguised as a sequel. Yeah it takes place after the events of the first film but it's not a sequel. It just uses that 50's film for reference and to start the story. All of the old characters are dead. It's a restart and pretty much the same story as the first film. It's a remake.

[Advanced Dark]

Ok well it's a done deal. New Line picked it up.


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i880911115a741b41ba2e70a55f606c26


By Borys Kit

March 16, 2007
New Line Cinema has gotten the keys to the new "Escape From New York."

The remake of the cult John Carpenter movie, being produced by Neal Moritz with Gerard Butler attached to star as Snake Plissken, hit the town this week and had several studios trying to capture it. Bidding was aggressive because Butler was coming off the whopping $70 million opening for "300."

New Line had been positioning itself for warden status when it first sniffed out that the package was in the works two weeks ago.

Ken Nolan ("Black Hawk Down") will write the script, which will combine an origin story for Plissken merged with the story of the 1981 movie. The original film was set in a futuristic 1997, when Manhattan had been turned into a giant maximum-security prison. The U.S. president's plane crashed on the island, and Plissken, incarcerated for robbing a federal reserve bank, was coerced into a rescue mission.

The movie made a lasting impression on a generation of males and was followed by a sequel 16 years later, "Escape From L.A.," as well as a comic book miniseries in 2003.

Moritz and his Original Film became involved when he was working with "Escape" co-rights holder StudioCanal on another project. StudioCanal will control the European territories.

" 'Escape From New York' is iconic," StudioCanal vice chairman Frederic Sichler said. "It's a privilege to be a partner in this rebirth of Snake Plissken with John Carpenter, Neal Moritz and New Line. And to have Gerard Butler to revisit Snake is fantastic."

Said co-rights holder Carpenter, who will serve as an executive producer: "Snake is one of my fondest creations. Kurt Russell did an incredible job, and it would be fun to see someone else try."

Carpenter remains surprised that his movie holds a place in the minds of moviegoers, as does the Plissken character. "I just thought it was a futuristic action movie when I did it the first time. It was a script that I used to fulfill a contract. And Kurt was primarily known as a child actor, and I thought it might be interesting to see him in a role like that. ... There's something fun about (Plissken). I think Kurt borrowed the eye patch from Kirk Douglas in 'The Vikings' -- that's my suspicion."

Sichler and Ron Halpern, senior vp international production and remake development at Canal Plus, will be executive producers as will Original production executive Ori Marmur.

Original is in preproduction on Screen Gems' horror remake "Prom Night" and the Sony Pictures romantic comedy "Made of Honor."

Toby Emmerich, Richard Brener and Keith Goldberg are overseeing for New Line.

Butler and Nolan are repped by CAA.


So they ARE gonna combine an origin story. Very awesome. Told ya.

[Hunter Rider]

Ya got scooped on that posts ago AD:oldrazz::cwink:

[Advanced Dark]

Damn. I saw it earlier too but figured it was already here. I looked but not far enough up. Good one.

[TheVileOne]

Origin story for Snake = crap.

Every remake of Carpenter's work so far has been inferior and ridiculous crap.

The Thing was made over 25 years ago when Carpenter was a great filmmaker. Carpenter supporting or working on this project doesn't legitimize it.

[ghost_x]

Who's going to whip out there film first Escape From New York or the Metal Gear Solid movie

[Advanced Dark]

^ Like you've had a positive thing to say about anything except Spider-Man. LOL Carpenter being an executive producer of this project is a good thing. Also Assault on Precinct 13 was not crap. Very well made film. Also the origin story for Plisskin is the biggest thing missing from the 80's film. I was wanting to know more about the character prior to the events of EFNY. I wanted to see "why" everyone thought he was dead. I'm glad this project doesn't interest you. It'll save me time wading through your negativity.

On a side note we have to assume Kurt Russell will make an appearance. Should he be the President or the Police captain who sends him in. Would you like to see the police or armed forces try to go in an save Snake and fail or be called back like in Rambo. And again...how's he gonna get in and out. Is NY still gonna be a prison or some radioactive forbidden zone from a past terrorist attack that's been quarantined. That might be too sensitive of an issue if they did that.

[Gallagher]

Rant begins

NOOOOOOO!! Damnit im hearing about this now! Christ, this is terrible. I love EFNY its one of my favorite movies of all time. Ive tolerated all the Remakes from Hollywood so far, hell ive even defended them, but this has gone too far, you CANNOT remake Escape, especially without Russel. Butler is a good actor, but hes not Plissken. Nobody is, Its Carpenter and Kurt's baby. Why holly wood? are you that desperate for money? Jesus Christ they're the biggest media industry on the planet Film companies dont need to go back and ruin classics! The sad thing is... i will go and see it. I would have to on the basic principle that Its Escape, and there is that ray of hope that it may turn out half decent. This is the saddest news ive had in along time.
Oh and the origin for Snake is cool, did you see the alternate opening on the special edition DVD with the robbery? if thats what they mean by origin it was good.

Rant over.

[L0ngsh0t]

Who's directing? We gotta name yet?

Robert Rodriguez could be cool

Or they could try and overachive and let some visionary who can still make sweet action scenese do it like Alfonso Cuaron

[Michael Allred]

Yes it was.

No it wasn't, get it through yer head sonny.

[Michael Allred]

If you've read any of my prior posts I know all about The Thing from Another World. I don't care that they use the old film for a reference. It's a freaking remake disguised as a sequel. Yeah it takes place after the events of the first film but it's not a sequel. It just uses that 50's film for reference and to start the story. All of the old characters are dead. It's a restart and pretty much the same story as the first film. It's a remake.

Carpenter's film was based upon the short story NOT "The Thing from Another World." Carpenter's film exists NOT because of "Another World" but because of the short story. Where is your disconnect? If "The Thing from Another World" never existed as a film, there still could have been "The Thing" directed by John Carpenter. Using your logic then the recent "Casino Royale" is a remake of the ****ty 60s film and not a faithful adaptation of the novel.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Pave the road any way you like. I'm the one who said it's NOT a sequel. It's a retelling of the original story disguised as a seqeul. And don't think Carpenter wasn't inspired by the first film at all. My whole point was Carpenters film was NOT really a sequel at all but more of a remake of the original story. When I say remake I don't mean they're basing the film on the previous film neccessarily. It's a redo of the premise or franchise from another director with new actors. It doesn't matter if one is action and one is comedy. It's a different telling of the same premise. The 50's film wasn't exactly a faithful adaption so there's nothing wrong with calling someone elses attempt a remake based on "insert subject here".

As far as who's directing I think we can eliminate Peter Jackson. Maybe Sam Raimi. :)

His next film, The Thing (1982), is notable for its high production values, including innovative special effects by Rob Bottin, special visual effects by matte artist Albert Whitlock, a score by Ennio Morricone and a cast including rising star Kurt Russell and respected character actors such as Wilford Brimley, Richard Dysart, and Richard Masur. The Thing was made with a budget of $10,000,000,[16] Carpenter's largest up to that point, and distributed by Universal Pictures.

Although Carpenter's film was ostensibly a remake of the 1951 Howard Hawks film, The Thing from Another World, Carpenter's version is more faithful to the John W. Campbell, Jr. short story, Who Goes There?, upon which both films were based. Moreover, unlike the Hawks film, The Thing has a dark, pessimistic tone and a bleak ending, which didn't appeal to audiences in the summer of 1982, when it was released in the wake of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial. Consequently, it did not perform well commercially and was Carpenter's first financial failure. Later, the movie found new life in the home video and cable markets, and it is now widely regarded as one of the best horror films ever made.

-Wikpedia

[TheVileOne]

Giving Snake an origin is like Greedo shooting first.

Escape From New York was made at a time when not every character needed a stupid origin or a backstory. You can infer enough what Snake's backstory is. It's not important that you know every little minute detail.

We don't need to know how Snake lost his eye. The mystique of not knowing is what makes the character so great.

And this is what's happening with Halloween right now, and that's why it's going to be an absolute dog. There was a reason why Mike Myers was such a frightening character in 1978. There was a reason that Snake Plissken was an awesome anti-hero.

Hollywood just wants to strip all of that away now for a few bucks and it will fail.

These movies are called classic for a reason.

[Advanced Dark]

^ They weren't called classic when they were made. In fact if you read how John Carpenter came up with the idea he said himself he had no idea what he created. I think he also said it was Kurt Russell's idea to throw in the eye patch. It's a great character to build on and to update. I'd love to see Kurt Russell in his prime make this film now but he can't. The fans didn't even show up to Escape from LA which now is 11 years. He does not look the same and there's only so much you can hide with a camera. Also this is a franchise with several films in mind. I can't see Kurt playing Snake Plisskin at 65. There's nothing wrong with a retelling of a story and changing things to make it different and updating it to modern times. Could they F it up really bad? Maybe. I'm not just going to assume that though. New Line needs a big franchise. They don't have one really since LOTR is pretty much done. Don't you think 30+ years from now it might be cool to remake those films. I seem to remember you being a big supporter of King Kong being remade by Peter Jackson. Wasn't that the definition of classic?

[DorkyFresh]

"It's a privilege to be a partner in this rebirth of Snake Plissken with John Carpenter, Neal Moritz and New Line. And to have Gerard Butler to revisit Snake is fantastic."

Said co-rights holder Carpenter, who will serve as an executive producer: "Snake is one of my fondest creations. Kurt Russell did an incredible job, and it would be fun to see someone else try."

with Carpenter as optimistic about this project as well as serving as executive producer...it makes me wanna see this even more!

i'm gettin' tired of hearing all these people complain about how Plissken and Escape from NY are untouchable. it's not as if they're remaking Gone with the Wind or Godfather. in my opinion most of the people who don't want a remake of this are too stuck in the past. someone said they shouldn't give Snake an origin because EFNY was made in a time when the hero didn't need a past...well, now is not that time. we're in a new era of movies that are more fleshed out and feel more realistic than they were in the 80's. now-a-days, it's hard to sell a character that doesn't have a past ESPECIALLY when that character is the main focus of the film. that's one of the reasons why the previous 3 James Bond movies fell flat, because James Bond didn't feel fleshed out. he was a secret agent without a past....

that being said...if they can get a decent director i hope this film gets made. i know Kurt Russell was one of the things that made Escape in NY and LA so awesome but as i said...those films aren't untouchable. they're FAR from perfect and there's a lot of room to improve not only the story, but the action as well.

[DorkyFresh]

Who's directing? We gotta name yet?

Robert Rodriguez could be cool

Or they could try and overachive and let some visionary who can still make sweet action scenese do it like Alfonso Cuaron

i could only wish. Escape from NY with Gerard as Snake and Cuaron directing?



i would die...

[ghost_x]

Alex Proyas would make a great director

[Advanced Dark]

^ Watch Tim Burton get the job. LOL There's someone who wrecked Planet of the Apes. The old Planet of the Apes is one of the best sci-fi films ever and then Tim Burton got his hands on it and ruined it. Several of my favorite films to me were given inferior follow ups including War of the Worlds (ughhh), and King Kong. Yeah Kong was visually awesome at times meh.

[Mr. Credible]

that gerard butler guy has weird teeth... they make him look like a nerd, and at times, totally brought me out of his 'badass' persona in 300. i know that's a weird complaint, but seriously, the guy has weird teeth.

i can see from 300 that he's good at yelling most of his lines and flexing, but i don't see him as snake at all. i get that he's popular after that overhyped movie came out, but there've got to be 100 other actors out there better suited to replace kurt russell.

[ghost_x]

I can dig it



http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7305/butlerassnakeyd3.jpg

[Advanced Dark]

that gerard butler guy has weird teeth... they make him look like a nerd, and at times, totally brought me out of his 'badass' persona in 300. i know that's a weird complaint, but seriously, the guy has weird teeth.

i can see from 300 that he's good at yelling most of his lines and flexing, but i don't see him as snake at all. i get that he's popular after that overhyped movie came out, but there've got to be 100 other actors out there better suited to replace kurt russell.

Snake doesn't need to do alot of yelling. He basically whispers all of his lines...at least in the original.

[Michael Allred]

with Carpenter as optimistic about this project as well as serving as executive producer...it makes me wanna see this even more!

i'm gettin' tired of hearing all these people complain about how Plissken and Escape from NY are untouchable. it's not as if they're remaking Gone with the Wind or Godfather. in my opinion most of the people who don't want a remake of this are too stuck in the past. someone said they shouldn't give Snake an origin because EFNY was made in a time when the hero didn't need a past...well, now is not that time. we're in a new era of movies that are more fleshed out and feel more realistic than they were in the 80's. now-a-days, it's hard to sell a character that doesn't have a past ESPECIALLY when that character is the main focus of the film. that's one of the reasons why the previous 3 James Bond movies fell flat, because James Bond didn't feel fleshed out. he was a secret agent without a past....



There's a HUGE difference between "fleshing out" a character and stripping away the character's mystery. One only needs to see the what happened to Boba Fett...at one time he was a badass bounty hunter then we learned he's just a little boy who misses his clone daddy. What happens when we find out Snake lost his eye in a gardening accident? See what I mean? Some things you don't have to explain, you leave it to the audience's imagination which always, always gives a character greater appeal than the filmmakers spelling it out for you.

[Michael Allred]

double post

[Michael Allred]

I can dig it



http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7305/butlerassnakeyd3.jpg

Ah, so now we get some of Snake's backstory, he was a gay soap opera actor.

[Advanced Dark]

There's a HUGE difference between "fleshing out" a character and stripping away the character's mystery. One only needs to see the what happened to Boba Fett...at one time he was a badass bounty hunter then we learned he's just a little boy who misses his clone daddy. What happens when we find out Snake lost his eye in a gardening accident? See what I mean? Some things you don't have to explain, you leave it to the audience's imagination which always, always gives a character greater appeal than the filmmakers spelling it out for you.

At least attempt to make a legitimate argument. Yeah I'm sure New Line, Neil and Gerard are working hard developing the back story of Snake Plisskin by prepping a scene of him losing his eye in a gardening accident. Yeah that's what's gonna happen. :whatever:

[Advanced Dark]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4783/gerardbutler34653534gnbyu5.jpg

[Mr. Credible]

Snake doesn't need to do alot of yelling. He basically whispers all of his lines...at least in the original.

that was entirely not my point... at all.

[Advanced Dark]

^ I know I was just making my own point within the point of your point. I thought I might point that out so you don't think the point of my point was referencing your point otherwise it'd be pointless. ;)

[DorkyFresh]

There's a HUGE difference between "fleshing out" a character and stripping away the character's mystery.
CR managed to flesh out James Bond without stripping his mystery away. besides, who says they're going to strip his mystery away? as tempting as telling why he wears a patch is we don't know for sure they're going to do that and even if they do, that doesn't mean they'll be telling his life story ala Batman Begins. the movie is Escape from NY...not the Chronicles of Plissken. the whole movie isn't going to be about his origin...a few scenes at the most.

One only needs to see the what happened to Boba Fett...at one time he was a badass bounty hunter then we learned he's just a little boy who misses his clone daddy. What happens when we find out Snake lost his eye in a gardening accident? See what I mean?
no i don't. Boba Fett is a good example of what can happen in the hands of a man who lost his magic long before Episode 2 was written. all we know is that there'll be an origin tale involved...we don't know how old he'll be, what he'll be doing, or where he'll be doing whatever he's doing. there's no reason to think the scenes they'll be showing of his origin will be anywhere near as cheese or corny as the stuff you've described. granted...it COULD happen but as of right now, there's nothing indicating that it's going to.

Some things you don't have to explain, you leave it to the audience's imagination which always, always gives a character greater appeal than the filmmakers spelling it out for you.
always, ALWAYS? funny...cuz i thought showing how Indiana Jones got the scar on his chin was a GREAT opener for the Last Crusade.

[Advanced Dark]

All great points Dorky. I think alot of people feel threatened that one of their favorite movie icons might be treated as poorly as other remakes or restarts have been treated. I can understand not jumping up and down if one's been dissapointed before as I have been, however I'm a huge fan of the character and want to see more. I want to see more of his origin. No I don't want to see his birth or have his origin really screwed with like in Riddick. I want to see more of the events that led up to his capture. In fact I'd love to see his capture happen about 25% of the way into the film. Make it a 2hour plus film too. If they name the baddie "Duke" like the original there are a few possibilities out there. Don't laugh: Vin Diesel, Samuel Jackson, LL Cool J, Michael Clark Duncan, etc...I think Sam is probably too old to play that role/personality...we'll see. I love the MCD suggestion the most.

[DorkyFresh]

thanx AD, and i agree about it being a 2+ hour film. an action scene to start the movie off with how he got captured would be nice. as far as Duke is concerned...



...i think this dude would be perfect.
http://www.filmweb.no/bilder/multimedia/archive/00099/Terrence_Howard_som__99846m.jpg
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mo/hustleandflow250b.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060109/135358__hustle_l.jpg


in case you dunno who he is, his name is Terrence Howard.

[Michael Allred]

At least attempt to make a legitimate argument. Yeah I'm sure New Line, Neil and Gerard are working hard developing the back story of Snake Plisskin by prepping a scene of him losing his eye in a gardening accident. Yeah that's what's gonna happen. :whatever:

Holy **** I was joking. I was using a far fetched example to show the lengths producers go with remakes and the like. I'm sorry you're too dense to have understood my argument.

[Mr. Credible]

^ I know I was just making my own point within the point of your point. I thought I might point that out so you don't think the point of my point was referencing your point otherwise it'd be pointless. ;)


you game me a nose bleed :csad:

[dpm07]

Should be interesting. I'll definitely check it out.

[Advanced Dark]

Here's the deleted opening scene where Plisskin's involved in the Bank Robbery. I want to see more of stuff like this before he's capture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riy0mRFjCbA

[cryptic name]

with Carpenter as optimistic about this project as well as serving as executive producer...it makes me wanna see this even more!

i'm gettin' tired of hearing all these people complain about how Plissken and Escape from NY are untouchable. it's not as if they're remaking Gone with the Wind or Godfather. in my opinion most of the people who don't want a remake of this are too stuck in the past. someone said they shouldn't give Snake an origin because EFNY was made in a time when the hero didn't need a past...well, now is not that time. we're in a new era of movies that are more fleshed out and feel more realistic than they were in the 80's. now-a-days, it's hard to sell a character that doesn't have a past ESPECIALLY when that character is the main focus of the film. that's one of the reasons why the previous 3 James Bond movies fell flat, because James Bond didn't feel fleshed out. he was a secret agent without a past....

that being said...if they can get a decent director i hope this film gets made. i know Kurt Russell was one of the things that made Escape in NY and LA so awesome but as i said...those films aren't untouchable. they're FAR from perfect and there's a lot of room to improve not only the story, but the action as well.

i really couldn't agree less as far as giving snake plisken a clear history. the vague backstory prensented in the first escape is perfect and tells you everything you need to know. i personally don't want to know how he damaged his eye, how his first mission went or exactly how he fell out of the military's good graces, those are things better left up to the audience. i swear all theses "lets go back to the beginning" stories just show how lazy writers are becoming.

as far as there being room for improvement...has it occured to anyone else that film (and kinda music) are the only art mediums where people have the audacity to look at someone elses work and say "i'm going to do it better"? you don't see someone rewriting Catcher in the Rhy with a more level headed Holden or repainting The Mona Lisa with a hotter Mona. let artists make their own movies instead of redoing someone else's idea, i don't car what you think can or should be changed about it.

[I_Hate_U_All]

well said and I agree that hollywood needs to get off its ass and be more original.

One thing to note about the comparison between books and movies is that beyond the language evolving in whatever ways it does, not much changes about the book writing format. but yeah it'd be stupid if someone wanted to re-write Angela's ashes for example, adding proper punctuation and such. It's a memoir.

[DorkyFresh]

i really couldn't agree less as far as giving snake plisken a clear history.
i never said i wanted to see Snake's life story...where did you read that?

i personally don't want to know how he damaged his eye, how his first mission went or exactly how he fell out of the military's good graces, those are things better left up to the audience.
well you may personally not want to see any of that and i can respect that opinion, but try not to use "the audience" to justify yours.

i swear all theses "lets go back to the beginning" stories just show how lazy writers are becoming.
another opinion...but this time i can't respect it. you mean to tell me that Paul Haggis (Casino Royale) and David Goyer and Christopher Nolan (Batman Begins) are lazy writers? wanting to set the record straight or making something better doesn't equal laziness. the Japanese are known for taking things that have already been invented and making them better....are they lazy also?

as far as there being room for improvement...has it occured to anyone else that film (and kinda music) are the only art mediums where people have the audacity to look at someone elses work and say "i'm going to do it better"?
is that so? i could've sworn i remember seeing Alex Ross redo a cover for Wizard (magazine) that has Spidey in the same pose and same clothes that Todd McFarlane drew back when Wizard was first starting off. also...Konami released "Metal Gear Solid: the Twin Snakes" for the Gamecube which was a remake of the original "Metal Gear Solid" for the first Playstation. most fans welcomed it with open arms. i'm also sure that there are countless books that have been made using the same formula from previous books only to change character names or ethnicities....those are essentially remakes. hell, a lot of people would even consider Jesus's story a "remake" of Hercules's. remakes aren't only confined to film and music. video games and books have been remade as well...

you don't see someone rewriting Catcher in the Rhy with a more level headed Holden or repainting The Mona Lisa with a hotter Mona.
Mona Lisa was an actual person. her name was Lisa Gherardini and the title "Mona Lisa" actually means "Madam Lisa". as we all know, you can't "remake" an actual person. i want to see Escape from NY remade because even though i like the movie...the acting, the effects, music, sound, etc. are pretty outdated and i'd love to see a more fleshed out version of it. i've never read Catcher in the Rye but i seriously doubt it has outdated special effects or camera work. every situation is different...you can't just say "no remakes AT ALL!"

let artists make their own movies instead of redoing someone else's idea, i don't car what you think can or should be changed about it.
if the original artist is alright with the idea then what's the problem? David Bowie helped Trent Reznor remix one of his songs and Sting helped sing "I'll Be Missing You" at one of the MTV Music Awards. if an accomplished artist lets another accomplished artist redo his/her own work it's commendable in my opinion. it's more humbling. i know Casino Royale might not've had that luxury but i doubt anyone's gonna argue that it shouldn't have been remade.

i have no problem with everyone stating their opinions on remakes but please stop trying to make them out to be artistically unethical or immoral as a whole.

[Warhammer]

I'm all for seeing it in the theater, but this movie is really not necessary.

[Advanced Dark]

^ No movie is neccessary.

[Advanced Dark]

i really couldn't agree less as far as giving snake plisken a clear history. the vague backstory prensented in the first escape is perfect and tells you everything you need to know. i personally don't want to know how he damaged his eye, how his first mission went or exactly how he fell out of the military's good graces, those are things better left up to the audience. i swear all theses "lets go back to the beginning" stories just show how lazy writers are becoming.

as far as there being room for improvement...has it occured to anyone else that film (and kinda music) are the only art mediums where people have the audacity to look at someone elses work and say "i'm going to do it better"? you don't see someone rewriting Catcher in the Rhy with a more level headed Holden or repainting The Mona Lisa with a hotter Mona. let artists make their own movies instead of redoing someone else's idea, i don't car what you think can or should be changed about it.

Then don't watch the movie. End of story. See ya.

BTW John Carpenter is executive producing this film and regarding the original film...he was just writing an action movie to fulfill a contract. He didn't know what he had. If they had the budget to make the story more rich and detailed they would have.

[RedIsNotBlue]

So people are only allowed to talk about movies they like or are looking forward too?

[Advanced Dark]

^ No Red but honestly why "continue" to talk about movies you're not looking forward to in a forum where the majority are looking forward to it? Unless you're just trying to ruffle some feathers. If you're not looking forward to it how long does it take you to say that. Does someone need to keep coming back saying "this sucks" every day?

Edit: Now if this WAS a movie you WERE looking foward to and it sucked...that's what the review threads are for. A few people are complaining about this project when they don't know anything about it yet. I say before you whine about it let's see at least who's directing it.

Nobody forces anyone to go to these forums or threads. I'm only subscribed to less than 50 threads total. You won't see me going to threads about movies I don't want to watch whining about not wanting to see it.

[DorkyFresh]

Advanced Dark...you and i agree that the Escape remake should be remade but i'm gonna tell you the same thing i told you in the Ghost Rider forum...


...you really should quit telling people to go away if they don't like something. the whole reason there are forums is for people to discuss things. if everyone here agreed on everything then these forums would be worthless. you might not agree with them but everytime you tell people to go away just because they don't like a certain movie it makes you look like a child who can't have his way.

seriously...stop with that crap.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Look....there is NO point for someone to come here on a regular basis and keep saying how they're NOT looking forward to this movie. That's what I was talking about. If someone doesn't like the topic...move on. If you're in a thread about a movie that you're not looking forward to then that person should go away. Why linger around a thread to keep stating over and over how you're not looking forward to it or that it sucks.

The one exception to me is a review thread or a thread specifically about being dissapointed in it. However EFNY hasn't been made yet, there's no director, no release date, the script isn't done, no other actors attached, no plot synopsis other than what we already know from the first film and the added bit about the back history.

If someone routinely visits this thread only to complain about the topic I'm gonna to speak my mind too then. If the GR forums it was a review thread and the same people made there review and said it sucked. Then every day they kept coming back to say it sucked and really nothing much more. The people who enjoyed it talked about the parts they enjoyed in details and the parts they didn't like so much in detail. But if all you have to say is "this sucks" every damn day...then it's time to get a life.

Imagine you went to a restaurant and ate it and didn't like it at all. So you post your review and talk about how bad it was. Then every day you post a one line review in the same paper "I don't want to go there again. It sucks." Over and over and over and over and over. I think you'd be out of a job. If there was a movie I hated and I visited that thread every day just to talk about how bad it was I'd be just looking to start trouble after I've made my point.

[Flexo]

^ No Red but honestly why "continue" to talk about movies you're not looking forward to in a forum where the majority are looking forward to it? Unless you're just trying to ruffle some feathers. If you're not looking forward to it how long does it take you to say that. Does someone need to keep coming back saying "this sucks" every day?

That seems a little presumptuous. :o

[Advanced Dark]

Flexo nothing presumptuous about it at all. :o

I was speaking about this forum which has a poll attached. and the majority that have voted in the poll are positive about Butler's addition. Only one person is totally against it and he's against everything not related to Spiderman or Peter Jackson. THe rest are undecided. Majority means majority. Maybe that'll change but for now it's quite clear.

14 like it
9 unsure
1 not happy

14=majority that are discussing it here that have voted.

[Flexo]

Flexo nothing presumptuous about it at all. :o

I was speaking about this forum which has a poll attached. and the majority that have voted in the poll are positive about Butler's addition. Only one person is totally against it and he's against everything not related to Spiderman or Peter Jackson. THe rest are undecided. Majority means majority. Maybe that'll change but for now it's quite clear.

14 like it
9 unsure
1 not happy

14=majority that are discussing it here that have voted.

So, a whopping total of 14 people are for it. That must be a majority... or maybe the masses simply don't care enough to vote.

Besides that, the poll only asks if people favor Butler for the role, not the remake in general.

That's like walking into a McDonalds, asking ten people if they like hamburgers, and using that result to represent what the majority thinks of fast food.

[DorkyFresh]

^ Look....there is NO point for someone to come here on a regular basis and keep saying how they're NOT looking forward to this movie. That's what I was talking about. If someone doesn't like the topic...move on. If you're in a thread about a movie that you're not looking forward to then that person should go away. Why linger around a thread to keep stating over and over how you're not looking forward to it or that it sucks.

so you're complaining about other people complaining...like i said, all you're doing is making yourself look like the child who can't have his way.

If someone routinely visits this thread only to complain about the topic I'm gonna to speak my mind too then. If the GR forums it was a review thread and the same people made there review and said it sucked. Then every day they kept coming back to say it sucked and really nothing much more. The people who enjoyed it talked about the parts they enjoyed in details and the parts they didn't like so much in detail. But if all you have to say is "this sucks" every damn day...then it's time to get a life.
as if coming to the forums everyday and constantly talking about how AWESOME a movie was is anymore of a life than complaining about how it was. it's still the same thing...coming to a forum and DISCUSSING something. it's the same waste of time, same waste of 'life'.

you need to deal with people constantly complaining about a movie in other ways than telling them to go away. it makes you look like a spoiled kid who can't share the sand pit with the other kids who don't wanna do the same thing you're doing. didn't your momma ever teach you to share?

[L0ngsh0t]

I think AD has a point

I hate the Ghost Rider movie, I said my peace, and I won't ever visit that thread till GR2 comes out, then I will ***** about how ****ty MSJ is as a director, and move on again

I don't vist the superman thread anymore for the same reason

I guess I don't see a need to, so for that I agree with AD, why do it?


Btw I think this flick 'could' be excellent

granted it has the fatal flaw of having a lot to live up to, and for as sweet as gerry butler is, he is no Kurt Russell (who is Bruce Campbells lieutenent in the army of sweetness) But the movie has potential, give modern techonlogy, and money, it could be great

[RedIsNotBlue]

Advanced Dark...you and i agree that the Escape remake should be remade but i'm gonna tell you the same thing i told you in the Ghost Rider forum...


...you really should quit telling people to go away if they don't like something. the whole reason there are forums is for people to discuss things. if everyone here agreed on everything then these forums would be worthless. you might not agree with them but everytime you tell people to go away just because they don't like a certain movie it makes you look like a child who can't have his way.

seriously...stop with that crap.

Exactly. Thank you. AD tends to do that when people don't like something that he is for. And AD don't bother posting back about how you respect and let people have their opinion because half of the time you don't. If people want to criticize or in your words "whine" about a movie than it is their freedom.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I think AD has a point

I hate the Ghost Rider movie, I said my peace, and I won't ever visit that thread till GR2 comes out, then I will ***** about how ****ty MSJ is as a director, and move on again

I don't vist the superman thread anymore for the same reason

I guess I don't see a need to, so for that I agree with AD, why do it?


Btw I think this flick 'could' be excellent

granted it has the fatal flaw of having a lot to live up to, and for as sweet as gerry butler is, he is no Kurt Russell (who is Bruce Campbells lieutenent in the army of sweetness) But the movie has potential, give modern techonlogy, and money, it could be great


That is different. You have seen the movie and you've said your peace...their really isn't much else to do there. This is still in the early development phase so their is still plenty to talk about.

[TheVileOne]

It totally ticks me off when I'm told I only like things involving Spider-man and Peter Jackson. And I want to stop being mocked this way.

Also, remaking Escape From New York is pretty irrelevant, since it was already remade. It's called Escape From LA. Had the original actor, original writer and director, and it blew. It had a big budget, and it didn't look a fraction as good as the original shot with very little money.

There've already been several inferior and mediocre remakes of Carpenter's work. So called modern updates with bigger budgets, ultra-polished, modern FX whatever. They just don't have the mystique and rawness of old school Carpenter.

At this point, a remake of They Live must be inevitable.

I'll say this. Classics are classics for a reason. For a movie to be classic it has to stand the test of time. These so-called remakes are not classics. People aren't going to remember them or care about them in the years to come and they will still favor the originals over the other.

CR managed to flesh out James Bond without stripping his mystery away. besides, who says they're going to strip his mystery away? as tempting as telling why he wears a patch is we don't know for sure they're going to do that and even if they do, that doesn't mean they'll be telling his life story ala Batman Begins. the movie is Escape from NY...not the Chronicles of Plissken. the whole movie isn't going to be about his origin...a few scenes at the most.

Ugh whatever. It's not like all that wasn't written by Fleming before the movies anyway. Snake and James Bond aren't valid comparisons. Snake was a character written for a movie. He wasn't a pre-existing literary character with an already significant fanbase to see the movies.

We knew Bond's background, we know what he's about.

Snake, what else do we really need? I think the movie really tells us everything we need to know about Snake. We can fill in the blanks.

This is the problem with cinema today. Everything needs to TOLD TO US. Or, filmmakers and executives think we all need to be told all sorts of dumb crap. Let audiences figure things out for themselves.

To me, and this is why I think Carpenter was such a great filmmaker in the 70's and 80's he showed me exactly who Snake was without having to painstakingly reveal all the details of his past or what he had done. I feel after watching Escape From New York I know exactly who Snake is, and I can probably figure out what happened to him.

[Hunter Rider]

AD i am only gonna say this once,stop telling people who are mad about this remake to leave,while i personally never focus on threads about movies that don't interest me/piss me off The Hype is a free board and posters have the right to show their disgust if they so choose.

Also please stop insinuating Vile only likes Spidey and Jackson,i have seen him like a few other things and even if that were the case it doesn't make his arguments less valid,debate the topic not the poster and that goes for everyone,this thread is about a movie not yet in production and is already a pain in the ass.

[DorkyFresh]

I'll say this. Classics are classics for a reason. For a movie to be classic it has to stand the test of time. These so-called remakes are not classics. People aren't going to remember them or care about them in the years to come and they will still favor the originals over the other.

Escape from New York is not a regular classic...it's a cult classic much in the same vein Evil Dead and Mad Max are cult classics.

that being said...Escape from New York DEFINITELY does NOT stand the test of time. that's one of the reasons they're remaking it....because it's severely outdated. if the remake for Escape is any good then i can pretty much guarantee that future generations would rather watch the remake much like today's generation would rather watch Peter Jackson's King Kong over the original.

Ugh whatever. It's not like all that wasn't written by Fleming before the movies anyway. Snake and James Bond aren't valid comparisons. Snake was a character written for a movie. He wasn't a pre-existing literary character with an already significant fanbase to see the movies.
i don't see why they're not valid comparisons. you said yourself Bond had a significant fan base to see his movies.....so does Snake. just because they were created differently doesn't mean they're not comparable. Bond was born in a novel, Batman was born in a comic...are they not comparable?

this remake has the potential to be for Plissken what Casino Royale was to Bond and what Begins was to Batman. simple as that...it's not that complicated to understand and it's a totally valid point.

[L0ngsh0t]

AD i am only gonna say this once,stop telling people who are mad about this remake to leave,while i personally never focus on threads about movies that don't interest me/piss me off The Hype is a free board and posters have the right to show their disgust if they so choose.

Also please stop insinuating Vile only likes Spidey and Jackson,i have seen him like a few other things and even if that were the case it doesn't make his arguments less valid,debate the topic not the poster and that goes for everyone,this thread is about a movie not yet in production and is already a pain in the ass.

Lol I do find it funny the amount of post that have gone into this thread in the week since the news broke

That shows the kinda fan base this movie could potentially have, if they do it right, I think it could be a big hit for everyone involved

[DorkyFresh]

well i think the majority of the people who've posted in this thread are opposed to the idea of a remake. that being said...i'm sure more than half of those people will see the movie anyway, hehe...

...if they flesh out the story and Plissken's character (while still keeping the mystery about him) i'm sure people would come around. everybody wasn't too hot about Daniel Craig playing Bond but they made him seem more 3d than 2d (Brosnan's Bond) so now most everyone likes him. i'm hoping the same thing happens for Escape......but i've been wrong before.

[Cyrusbales]

Remakes, a clear cut piece of evidence that the hollywood film business lacks any form of creativity or talent.

[ghost_x]

or for films that had potential and could be improved using modern technology?

[L0ngsh0t]

Remakes, a clear cut piece of evidence that the hollywood film business lacks any form of creativity or talent.


I agree, though I think they are justifiable with a movie like this, Escape from New York has the infinate potential to be the premier action flick coming up, I think with movies that have potential like this, that their box office didn't match the potential, I think they are just

It won't affect the original so I am not worried

It could be sweet, I am looking forward to it good or bad

[Addendum]

or for films that had potential and could be improved using modern technology?

Because modern technology has such an impact on plot and character development :dry:

"I never knew how good the story was until the director spent $30 million on CGI. Thanks to the magic of computers, I'll never be lost in a film again"

[Advanced Dark]

AD i am only gonna say this once,stop telling people who are mad about this remake to leave,while i personally never focus on threads about movies that don't interest me/piss me off The Hype is a free board and posters have the right to show their disgust if they so choose.

Also please stop insinuating Vile only likes Spidey and Jackson,i have seen him like a few other things and even if that were the case it doesn't make his arguments less valid,debate the topic not the poster and that goes for everyone,this thread is about a movie not yet in production and is already a pain in the ass.

Hey Hunter,

I agree with you and Dorky. I just became so sick of the negativity on these boards. It's like people look to seek out anything negative. Anyways...I'll stop. Hopefully you and the other mods can pick out those trying to start a flame war. It's not my job and I'll stop. :)

Later

[Advanced Dark]

or for films that had potential and could be improved using modern technology?

Yep. Escape from NY was more than just Kurt. Kurt was awesome but that doesn't mean someone else can't do a good enough job. The original had a pretty low budget which showed at times. I wanna see more fighting, more gunplay, more of the sewer zombies, etc...

I loved the glider entrance into NY in the beginning. How quiet it was you know. THe WTC is gone so maybe a night drop from a plane and he gets hung up and loses his weapons like in Rambo 2.

[Spider-Fan]

Just saw the original last week (not the best sci-fi movie ever by any means, but quite enjoyable). Here is my view on the matter.

I don't really see where special effects will enhance the movie. The story and everything was fine enough in the original. The only reason it seems this is being done is because of money. I think that when money is the only reason something is being made, and there is no element of art involved, the production is normally doomed from the start (as far as remakes go).

Right now, I am not for this. Too many movies are being remade anymore, but I will say that my opinion could change if they get good talent involved. If Michael Bay lands the director's job, this will be officially dead to me.

[ghost_x]

Who said anything about using technology for the plot and character development :huh:

It's a sad truth and I know some people find it difficult to handle, but Escape From New York was far from perfect, it could very much be improved. With the right cast and filmmakers they could acomplish a very much enhanced 'interpretation' of the story. People are so blinded by the views of critics and their manner of shooting down the idea of a remake merely because it appears unimaginative, that they overlook the fact that many remakes have not only taken an original concept and made a respectable film but have in fact improved upon the original.

I feel a foreboding sense of fanboys dismay at such rebellious thoughts

[Spider-Fan]

Some remakes were better than the original, true. However, 99% of them are not. Like I said before, I want to see who is involved. I don't think there is too much they can really do to improve it. I think this could easily become overpowered by action sequences, and lose the movies point.

[TheVileOne]

Escape from New York is not a regular classic...it's a cult classic much in the same vein Evil Dead and Mad Max are cult classics.

To me it works all the same.

that being said...Escape from New York DEFINITELY does NOT stand the test of time. that's one of the reasons they're remaking it....because it's severely outdated. if the remake for Escape is any good then i can pretty much guarantee that future generations would rather watch the remake much like today's generation would rather watch Peter Jackson's King Kong over the original.

I recently got the newest DVD set and I think the film still works marvelously well and holds up exceptionally. Comparatively, the sequel from 1996 was on satellite, and I could barely even watch it. The film just looks BAD.

King Kong, well there's another remake that was disappointing and people weren't quite pleased with.

To me the themes of the movie still seem relevant. I think the cinematography and production design still look top notch and they were able to do a hell of a lot with what they had. Not to mention the matte paintings and special FX work by James Cameron (yes that James Cameron) look awesome. The man freaking knew what he was doing over 25 years ago.

Special FX in Escape From New York > Special FX from Escape from LA

i don't see why they're not valid comparisons. you said yourself Bond had a significant fan base to see his movies.....so does Snake. just because they were created differently doesn't mean they're not comparable. Bond was born in a novel, Batman was born in a comic...are they not comparable?

No. Because Bond's backstory and past already existed.

Batman, everyone knows his backstory. Just like everyone knows Spider-man or Superman's backstory. Their origins and backstories are part of the appeal and love for the character.

Snake, I think part of what's great about his character is that you don't know everything and that you have to just figure out some of it for yourself. Wolverine was sort of a character like this at one point. They finally told his "Origins" and his past and it honestly doesn't work. Not to mention poorly executed and muddled.

There was a time when Carpenter knew how to handle ambiguity.

this remake has the potential to be for Plissken what Casino Royale was to Bond and what Begins was to Batman. simple as that...it's not that complicated to understand and it's a totally valid point.

Or it could be what Hannibal Rising was to Silence Of The Lambs. Or what Phantom Menace was to Star Wars. Or that Excorcist prequel to The Exorcist.

Snake Plissken was never this pop-culture icon like James Bond or Batman. I think he's just a great anti-hero character in one really good movie, who I still like to watch because movies today lack quality anti-heroes like Snake, Blondie, etc.

Snake doesn't need the current Hollywood "origin/prequel/remake" movie trend. And he doesn't need a remake either.