Life after Nolan: What comes next...

[DieSmiling]

So let's make a few assumptions here before I get to my point...

1) Christopher Nolan does three movies. Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and the third movie. Then he moves on -- he's done his take on Batman.

2) Christian Bale and the rest of the cast are done after three, have no desire to do another Batman without Nolan.

3) WB has every intention of making more Batman movies after the third Nolan film (duh)

To me, the direction of future Batman movies after these ones is clear in light of the success of 300 -- green screen CGI based movies that are direct adaptations of the most important and iconic Batman graphic novels.

Allow me to say, first of all, that I enjoy all five of the Batman live action movies (yes, even the crappy B&R). I love the original Batman, but I'm not a wild BM '89 fanboy who hates on everything that isn't Keaton... I'm a defender of Schumaker (I still like Forever) but I recognize the obvious cheese and flaws of his movies... And obviously I love Nolan as a director, love BB and am incredibly excited for TDK...

But I think there's something missing with all three directors.

With Burton's take, the movie is too Burton. It's dark and gothic to the extent of being weird. Every character has that sunken black look, it's overdone (this is especially true in Returns, obviously).

With Schumaker he tried to go for a more lavish and exciting Batman, and clearly went way too far and we got neon lights, horrific puns, bat-nipples, cringe inducing one-liners, and giant naked statues.

With Nolan, there is an emphasis on realism as well as the best storytelling and acting ever in a superhero movie, but it doesn't have that sensational superhero mystique and action that other movies seem to have captured...

To me the solution for the next era of the franchise is clear -- forget a given director's "vision" or "take." Go back to the source material. Look at the recent success of Sin City or 300, and imagine what "Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns" could look like... And there is so much great material to work with...

Plus it has its benefits... You don't need to keep together the same cast, every graphic novel has its own significance and take in and of itself...

Frank Miller's Batman: Year One
The Man Who Laughs
The Long Halloween
Dark Victory
The Killing Joke
No Man's Land
Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns

And that just scratches the surface.

[FaT_tONle]

All very great points... we just need to accept that every movie or set of movies have their flaws... you can't satisfy everyone... Nolan is what he is... sort of like Singer with the Xmen movies... the action and the superhero mystique will always be lacking... but it is what it is... its still an accurate depiction and I like it better than Burton's ultra dark tone... we aren't going to see that Gothic edge to Gotham... we aren't going to see Batman do these amazing stunts... etc etc... it is what it is.

All the more reason WB WILL go in another direction... I think it will be a crossover first moving into a JLS... I think WB will try to get Bale and Routhe and SPacey to reprise their roles for a World's finest flick if the budget is within reason... if they can't make it happen... they should sit on both franchises a while and maybe make sequels with a new cast and director to do some other stories about the less realistic villains to capture that superhero edge. And as you mentioned, there is no shortage in the source material

[Paste Pot Pete]

Honestly, I'll take anything over "green screen" movies like Sin City or 300. Both fine movies for what they are, but I found them to be pretty hollow and artificial. Such a "comic book come to life" is a fine idea but both came off very mechanical to me. A fun ride and a great experiment in film, but ultimately I'm looking for something with more substance than style.

[CConn]

Honestly, I'll take anything over "green screen" movies like Sin City or 300. Both fine movies for what they are, but I found them to be pretty hollow and artificial. Such a "comic book come to life" is a fine idea but both came off very mechanical to me. A fun ride and a great experiment in film, but ultimately I'm looking for something with more substance than style.
Of course, that my just be due to the fact both Sin City and 300 are about style rather than substance.

[DieSmiling]

Of course, that my just be due to the fact both Sin City and 300 are about style rather than substance.

Exactly. They wouldn't have to hollow if you were telling a good story.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Of course, that my just be due to the fact both Sin City and 300 are about style rather than substance.

I did consider this, so I suppose I'll have to reserve my judgment until I see a movie done in that style that feels like more to me than a human cartoon.

[Ceb-Man]

I think possibly after Bale and Nolan finish their Batman films, WB will do the JLA movie, then I see Batman coming back with a new cast and director. We may then see more elaborate or not as " realistic" villians.
I'd love to see villians like Mr. Freeze, Man-Bat, Killer Croc, and Clayface on the screen.

[Katsuro]

I actually had the idea of continuing the stories in a tv series. Keep the tone and style of Nolan's films, and do a weekly 1-hour tv series. It would have a new cast, but it would keep in continuity with the movies, taking place right after the third film

Think about it. Think how many great characters and storylines will never see the light of day if they stick to movies, because they just aren't big enough. You can only fit in so many characters when you have one 2.5 hr movie every 3 years. An hour a week though gives you so much time to explore all kinds of things. Joker would be a recurring villain, so you could really get into the depth of their relationship.

It would basically be a live-action, more adult-oriented B:TAS. Best show ever, in my opinion. And give it to NBC, they could handle it. Look at Heroes, afterall.

[Castlewood]

If Nolan, Bale, and everyone else leaves after 3... I think it'll be a LONG time before we see another Batman movie... maybe more than 10 years.

Look at Spider-Man... Raimi and Maguire are done after 3, so is there really much hope for that franchise in the NEAR future?? I don't think so.

We won't see a Bat-film after 3 until we're all in our 40's and 50's, I reckon.

[CConn]

I did consider this, so I suppose I'll have to reserve my judgment until I see a movie done in that style that feels like more to me than a human cartoon.
Another thing to consider is there was A LOT of CGI in Sin City and 300, making it seem even more unreal. If they shot a direct adaptation of a Batman film that actually used sets and real places, it would probably remove a lot of the cartoony feel.

[CConn]

If Nolan, Bale, and everyone else leaves after 3... I think it'll be a LONG time before we see another Batman movie... maybe more than 10 years.

Look at Spider-Man... Raimi and Maguire are done after 3, so is there really much hope for that franchise in the NEAR future?? I don't think so.

We won't see a Bat-film after 3 until we're all in our 40's and 50's, I reckon.
Dude, the head of Sony has said they're making 6 Spider-Man films.

It's a simple fact, movie studios will continue making movies as long as they're successful. If Nolan's third movie does well, I can guarantee you WB will be looking to make another Batman movie - Nolan directed or not.

[DieSmiling]

If Nolan, Bale, and everyone else leaves after 3... I think it'll be a LONG time before we see another Batman movie... maybe more than 10 years.

Look at Spider-Man... Raimi and Maguire are done after 3, so is there really much hope for that franchise in the NEAR future?? I don't think so.

We won't see a Bat-film after 3 until we're all in our 40's and 50's, I reckon.

Wrong. The determining factor in how quickly they're brought back is how much money they make. If there's money to be made, you'll see the movies.

[fabman]

No, I don't want a Batman movie a la '300.' I want a real movie, something that both Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan pulled off perfectly! After Nolan I want another great filmmaker to deliver his take on the myth.

[The Only Woj]

when Batman Forever came out in 1995 (or was it 1996?) were any of us thinking of Chris Nolan and David Goyer being the big guns in reviving Batman? Or Bale being the ultimate incarnation of Bruce/Batman? Hell, even Raimi and Tobey came out of nowhere. Whatever happens when Nolan/Bale decide to part ways with the character, we may end up with a filmmaker/actor combo that today aren't even in the industry.

[Ceb-Man]

I actually had the idea of continuing the stories in a tv series. Keep the tone and style of Nolan's films, and do a weekly 1-hour tv series. It would have a new cast, but it would keep in continuity with the movies, taking place right after the third film

Think about it. Think how many great characters and storylines will never see the light of day if they stick to movies, because they just aren't big enough. You can only fit in so many characters when you have one 2.5 hr movie every 3 years. An hour a week though gives you so much time to explore all kinds of things. Joker would be a recurring villain, so you could really get into the depth of their relationship.

It would basically be a live-action, more adult-oriented B:TAS. Best show ever, in my opinion. And give it to NBC, they could handle it. Look at Heroes, afterall.
I would love to see that!

[Ceb-Man]

As long as Batman movies make money, there will be more Batman films.

[fabman]

After Nolan: Bring Sam Raimi on board!

[nolan's roll'n]

After Nolan: Bring Sam Raimi on board!

Agreed, Raimi would be great. I think David Fincher would be a good choice as well.

[Robin]

I don't care who we get - as long as it isn't Joel Shumacher!

[El Payaso]

Honestly, I'll take anything over "green screen" movies like Sin City or 300. Both fine movies for what they are, but I found them to be pretty hollow and artificial. Such a "comic book come to life" is a fine idea but both came off very mechanical to me. A fun ride and a great experiment in film, but ultimately I'm looking for something with more substance than style.

Couldn't have said it any better.

[Robin]

After Nolan: Bring Sam Raimi on board!

Raimi did actually offer to direct Batman Forever - but WB wanted a bigger name :csad:.

[Darth Nata]

While I'm not the biggest fan of the Spiderman films (although 3 does look a lot better than the other two) I think Sam Raimi doing Batman would be awesome. I wonder what Batman Forever would have been like if he had of directed it?

[The Spider-Bat]

I actually had the idea of continuing the stories in a tv series. Keep the tone and style of Nolan's films, and do a weekly 1-hour tv series. It would have a new cast, but it would keep in continuity with the movies, taking place right after the third film

Think about it. Think how many great characters and storylines will never see the light of day if they stick to movies, because they just aren't big enough. You can only fit in so many characters when you have one 2.5 hr movie every 3 years. An hour a week though gives you so much time to explore all kinds of things. Joker would be a recurring villain, so you could really get into the depth of their relationship.

It would basically be a live-action, more adult-oriented B:TAS. Best show ever, in my opinion. And give it to NBC, they could handle it. Look at Heroes, afterall.

I agree with that idea, I think a live action TAS style Batman would be amazing.

I hope WB doesn't make the same mistakes they did with Forever and Batman & Robin.

[Robin]

I wonder what Batman Forever would have been like if he had of directed it?

Well, there wouldn't be any nipples or butt-shots.

~Robin

[doc9_holiday]

A 3 year hiatus for Batman after Nolan would be good then continue with the Batman movies again. I think Sam Raimi deserves a long break too but if he wants to direct Batman then why not? Being able to direct Spidey and Bats that is cool in one'e resume. If WB can redeem Batman from its mess then how about making a Robin franchise. Its time to dust off the insults and gay jokes.

[Robin]

A 3 year hiatus for Batman after Nolan would be good then continue with the Batman movies again. I think Sam Raimi deserves a long break too but if he wants to direct Batman then why not? Being able to direct Spidey and Bats that is cool in one'e resume. If WB can redeem Batman from its mess then how about making a Robin franchise. Its time to dust off the insults and gay jokes.

A Robin franchise... now that's a good idea :yay:.

[javi1024]

I actually had the idea of continuing the stories in a tv series. Keep the tone and style of Nolan's films, and do a weekly 1-hour tv series. It would have a new cast, but it would keep in continuity with the movies, taking place right after the third film

Think about it. Think how many great characters and storylines will never see the light of day if they stick to movies, because they just aren't big enough. You can only fit in so many characters when you have one 2.5 hr movie every 3 years. An hour a week though gives you so much time to explore all kinds of things. Joker would be a recurring villain, so you could really get into the depth of their relationship.

It would basically be a live-action, more adult-oriented B:TAS. Best show ever, in my opinion. And give it to NBC, they could handle it. Look at Heroes, afterall.
that could probably work. my only concern is when we get the larger-than-life villains like Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Man-Bat, etc. theyll come off as cheasy effects-wise. how would they do Man-Bat for a possible re-curring character or pull off clayfaces powers without it looking fake. true Heroes and Smallville are pulling off nice work, but they still have to limit how many times Clark uses his heat vision and how many time Claire rebuilds her ribcage. also i highly doubt WB will ever give batman to NBC

but with all that said, if batman moves to the small screen, ill be planted on front of the tv.

[raybia]

Frank Miller's Batman: Year One
The Man Who Laughs
The Long Halloween
Dark Victory
The Killing Joke
No Man's Land
Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns

And that just scratches the surface.

I would go the 300 route and all of these novel except Year One and The Long Halloween since it would be redundant after Nolan's films.

I personally would do The Killing Joke, Dark Victory, and then the coup de grace, TDKR in all its glory with a R rating.

I also would do everything possible to bring back both Bale, Oldman, and Caine because of the chemistry they have with one another.

[Cain]

Paul Dini and Bruce Timm geat a crack at a live action trilogy of their own. One can only hope.

[blind_fury]

Let Paul Dini, Bruce Timm and Frank Miller write the story/screenplay.

and let David Fincher direct.

[Sun_Down]

Let Paul Dini, Bruce Timm and Frank Miller write the story/screenplay.

and let David Fincher direct.

Wasn't Miller behind that awful script that had Bruce being homeless, the Batmobile being a Towncar and Alfred being a black mechanic called Big Al?

[Nepenthes]

I think it's very likely they'll make a Robin based trilogy. It would continue from Nolans movies while allowing Batman to go back to his more fantastic roots, and more importantly focusing on Robin helps re-align the target audience for a younger demographic demographic again. You have to keep getting the new generations, the audience for this trilogy will be the toddlers today. All this stuff about R rated Batman is geek fantasy.

[Two-Face]

Wasn't Miller behind that awful script that had Bruce being homeless, the Batmobile being a Towncar and Alfred being a black mechanic called Big Al?

Yeah he was, Miller was smoking something when he wrote that.

[Closerframe]

Make A Long Halloween and Dark Victory into a feature films.

[ThatDamnNinja]

I did consider this, so I suppose I'll have to reserve my judgment until I see a movie done in that style that feels like more to me than a human cartoon.

Well, hopefully, that's what we'll get with Watchmen.

[ThatDamnNinja]

I would go the 300 route and all of these novel except Year One and The Long Halloween since it would be redundant after Nolan's films.

I personally would do The Killing Joke, Dark Victory, and then the coup de grace, TDKR in all its glory with a R rating.

I also would do everything possible to bring back both Bale, Oldman, and Caine because of the chemistry they have with one another.

It wouldn't make too much sense to do Dark Victory without Long Halloween. But I would love to see The Killing Joke and The Dark Knight Returns. I don't know if they'd do The Killing Joke, seeing as how it's not terribly epic, it's a small cast, and it's kind of short, but I suppose if you have a smart exec, they know that TKJ can be done on a very small budget and, though you would get a smaller gross, you'd still make a profit.

It'd be like a superhero arthouse film. The Dark Knight Returns, though... that'd be sick. Makes me wish Charlton Heston wasn't senile.

[dude love]

Bring back Burton :ninja:

[Rezzo]

After Nolan finishes with his trilogy it will be time to give the Batman franchise a few years off like 3-5 years and then perhaps make a new Batman movie in the style of 300 and Sin City so that Batman can stay more true to the comics and not be restricted by the ¨realism¨ of Nolan´s vision

[batdude]

Give it to Paul Dini or Joss Whedon. It's about time they got to do a live action Batman.

[jorel]

hi I think CGI in the style of the 300 or the Sin City is great idea! Today CGI technology is very developed so I think we can easily see great CGI villains. we could see with CGI help a real villains rule the Gotham scene like in comics; so even the Mr Nolan don't want to do this in his sequel, maybe possible after Nolan to get the great version of villains. But please, no Penguin:woot:

[dude love]

Give it to Paul Dini or Joss Whedon. It's about time they got to do a live action Batman.

No way in hell! Writer of Alien: Ressurection and Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Uh- uh!

[fabman]

After Christopher Nolan?

Sam Raimi DAMMIT!

[Rezzo]

After Christopher Nolan?

Sam Raimi DAMMIT!

*VOMITS

[Two-Face]

After Christopher Nolan?

Sam Raimi DAMMIT!


Not after he did to Spider-Man 3, David Fincher is my choice Se7en and Zodiac are my favourite films.

[jorel]

what you think for Michael Thau to direct Batman films after the Nolan era?

[Rezzo]

Not after he did to Spider-Man 3, David Fincher is my choice Se7en and Zodiac are my favourite films.

Would be interesting to see Fincher´s take on Batman

[Closerframe]

Darren Aronofsky or Zack Snyder or Frank Miller and make it rated R. Make it gory, cussing, violence, and sex the way Gotham is suppose to be...

[Cain]

^ Nevah!!!

what you think for Michael Thau to direct Batman films after the Nolan era?

For some reason Iam beginning to think that you are Michael Thau lol

[jsf]

I would love, love, LOVE to see a green screen batman that is filmed somewhere between sin city, 300, and a burton flick

[Rezzo]

I would love, love, LOVE to see a green screen batman that is filmed somewhere between sin city, 300, and a burton flick

No to this part

[jsf]

Darren Aronofsky or Zack Snyder or Frank Miller and make it rated R. Make it gory, cussing, violence, and sex the way Gotham is suppose to be...

OH GOD YES! That would be a very badass bat film

[raybia]

Would be interesting to see Fincher´s take on Batman

For the love of God yes.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Im thinking that it could be a potentially bad move to make Batman films without Nolan,unless it done VERY well.

[dude love]

Well, I consider David Fincher and Ridley Scott to be better directors than Christopher Nolan. I'd love to see their take on Batman.

BTW, to whoever said a greenscreen Burton style Batman movie, that's a superb idea!

[Rezzo]

Im thinking that it could be a potentially bad move to make Batman films without Nolan,unless it done VERY well.

It´s bound to happen at some point

[RemixSprites]

I actually had the idea of continuing the stories in a tv series. Keep the tone and style of Nolan's films, and do a weekly 1-hour tv series. It would have a new cast, but it would keep in continuity with the movies, taking place right after the third film

Think about it. Think how many great characters and storylines will never see the light of day if they stick to movies, because they just aren't big enough. You can only fit in so many characters when you have one 2.5 hr movie every 3 years. An hour a week though gives you so much time to explore all kinds of things. Joker would be a recurring villain, so you could really get into the depth of their relationship.

It would basically be a live-action, more adult-oriented B:TAS. Best show ever, in my opinion. And give it to NBC, they could handle it. Look at Heroes, afterall.

"That is what have been saying!"

[FaT_tONle]

Batman and live action would be a total disaster

[ThreeActRomance]

how about liscensing Batman to like..HBO for an animated series. Have the stories written by Paul Dini-but based on top graphic novels.

it'd be pointless to have an origin of Batman season (ie: Year One) so..start off with some early year Batman stories.

Batman: Legends of The Dark Knight, Saturdays on HBO
Episode Run Time: 50 minutes
Writer: Paul Dini (based on existing stories.)
Producer: Bruce Timm
Art Director: Todd McFarlane (he's already tight with HBO, and I'd like to see Batman done in the dark style of Spawn: TAS, or the new series debuting soon)
Episode Director: Varies


2 Hour Pilot "Movie" - The Killing Joke

Season One: The Long Halloween
do each comic as an episode-giving us a 13 episode Season

Season Two: Dark Victory
same deal. each comic in the story arc as an episode-giving us I believe a 12 or 13 episode Season

2 hour "TV Movie" Arkham Asylum

Season Three: Hush

Season Four: Knightfall (this would have to be condensed for a season...or the season would have to be elongated)

you get the idea.

Paul Dini / Bruce Timm / Todd McFarlane would be one helluva combination.

[ThaMuzicAddict]

I think they should focus on smaller projects for a while... like animated projects. Then when enough time has passed, they can start a new trilogy, and yes, introduce Dick Grayson. He needs his own trilogy to be developed properly.

All this stuff about an R-rated Batman is just bull**** though. It is neither necessary nor plausible. Batman is one of the biggest names in comic books, WB would not cut the demographic in half just so you can get off to your blood and cussing. As long as the writing and acting are good, it doesn't matter if it's PG-13. Only kids really care if what they're watching is considered 'mature' or 'adult'.

[ThaMuzicAddict]

Batman and live action would be a total disaster
There aren't many live action comic book shows that succeed, and the ones that do are at the expense of the characters' integrity. (yes, I'm talking about Smallville)

A Bruce Wayne prequel could be cool, but it wouldn't be marketable.

The best idea I've heard for a Batman TV show so far would be an animation called "Batman: Elseworlds". ...kind of a cross between the Animatrix and Twilight Zone. Each episode exists in its own world and has its own unique style (different writer/artist for each show). They could either be original stories or derivitive of novels like Arkham Asylum and Gotham by Gaslight. Even if it was only one season it would be worth it. That's like 17 episodes. I'd definitely be picking that up on DVD.

[FCEEVIPER]

Life after Nolan: What comes next....
Clayface, Manbat, Bane, Azrael, and Mr.freeze. ;)

[Gotham22]

If WB does makes more Batman films, I hope is more like the comics. None of this realistic stuff that Nolan is doing.

[Rezzo]

If WB does makes more Batman films, I hope is more like the comics. None of this realistic stuff that Nolan is doing.

You mean like Batman & Robin???

[Gotham22]

You mean like Batman & Robin???

not campy thats for sure. I mean dark and Gotham City being bizzare and the batwing. I dont think Nolan will ever have the Batwing in his bat films
Not having Batman living in Chicago like Nolan is doing. this isnt Spiderman living in a realistic city.

[Rezzo]

not campy thats for sure. I mean dark and Gotham City being bizzare and the batwing. I dont think Nolan will ever have the Batwing in his bat films
Not having Batman living in Chicago like Nolan is doing. this isnt Spiderman living in a realistic city.

Nolan = Best Batman Director (So Far)

[In2Minds]

Agreed, Raimi would be great. I think David Fincher would be a good choice as well.

sorry but i disagree, look at what rami did to Venom and the Symbiote arc in 3, Rami would butcher a character we all love because he himself doesn't like it.

Granted 1 was a great movie 2 was good but 3 IMO felt slightly B&R ish.

Fincher would definately be a great director look at Fight club, i think he would excel adapting stories like Face the face or the long Halloween.

[strikezone89]

lets not think of life after nolan
and love life with nolan

[Two-Face]

If WB does makes more Batman films, I hope is more like the comics. None of this realistic stuff that Nolan is doing.

Nolan does borrow from comics, I mean did you notice anything that was from the comics?

[batdude]

It seemed like he borrowed the Joker mention in Begins from Frank Miller's Batman: Year One.

[ThaMuzicAddict]

Yeah establishing Batman's origin in a realistic setting was never done in the comics.

http://rmhs.dist214.k12.il.us/library/images/GN/GNbatman.jpg
Tard.

[Doc Samson]

IMO, I hope they treat future Batman movies similar to how they do James Bond films. Just keep introducing characters and storylines from the comics with different directors and actors, but NOT rehashing the origin again. I don't feel they can do this any better than BB did it, and it isn't really necessary as long as all the future films have some form of connection to BB. Besides that, the movie Batman and James Bond have so many similarities anyway, that doing the films in that same fashion makes sense to me. They can do 20 some odd movies, then maybe re-do the origin like Casino Royale took Bond back to a beginnning of sorts. But please, let's not have another origin storyline for awhile...

[the_monk]

No to Whedon and Raimi. I still don't see why people think Spiderman 1 and 2 were great. They're okay for one or two viewings, then they get really lame. 3 was just plain awful.

Yes to Fincher or Aronofsky, although I think a lot of people would be really turned off by Aronofsky. He'd make it too artistic and, you know, GOOD.

No to a CG Batman, a la 300. That movie was hollow and empty. Sin City was okay, but still too shallow.

[FaT_tONle]

Before WB ****s it up with their JLA... I want to see a World's Finest once Singer and Nolan put the finishing touches on their two/three. We don't need solo Bat flicks for a while.

[darknight7]

I said something along the same lines as what the thread starter said...

My friend and I have always talked about it, saying the coolest thing to do would be to make Batman graphic novels into movies.

But not just the story.

The style, the suit, the characters...EVERYTHING. Like Sin City style or 300 style.

You could do all the best novels...

Arkham Asylum
The Dark Knight Returns
The Killing Joke
Hush
The Long Halloween
Dark Victory


Kind of like this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CUD3762UWnA

That would be SOOOO AMAZING!!!

(too bad it isn't in English)

--dk7

--dk7

[chiefchirpa]

Open the Fantasy bottle.

Nolan's Batman is grounded on realism, the next series should be not. Maybe not as campy as Schmuck-macker, but it's time to see Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy and Killer Croc back in action.

[CaptainClown]

That would greatly confused the masses, specificly people who are not batman fans and do not read about the movies and so on. People are still confused about Batman Begins and it is completely different then batman 89. Another drastic series change would be aggravating and people will be sick of all the different types of Batman films. You could also do all those characters just don't go over board with them. Clayface is like just like sandman, sandman was not well received. Also I agree with The_monk on director choices

[Rorschach2012]

I hope they just get a capable director to either continue on or reboot the Nolan Series

[ThreeActRomance]

i said this in the other thread.

Alex frikkin' Proyas.

Enough said.

[Changeling]

David Frikkin' Fincher

Enough Said.

[Mr. Socko]

I'd love a 'LAS' Live Action Series tehehe. But about 10 years from now.

After Nolan's done, they'll definitely do more films. But does everyone think it should be set in a different continuity? Thing is, I don't want another reboot with an origin that soon. A distant sequel- or distant trilogy after Nolan's trilogy would work though.

[CConn]

I'd love a 'LAS' Live Action Series tehehe. But about 10 years from now.

After Nolan's done, they'll definitely do more films. But does everyone think it should be set in a different continuity? Thing is, I don't want another reboot with an origin that soon. A distant sequel- or distant trilogy after Nolan's trilogy would work though.
Personally, I'd opt for a sequel series that could be connected to the Nolan movies, but, at the same time, isn't a continuation.

It kinda gives you the best of both worlds, I think; if you're into it, then it's a continuation, if you think it sucks, then it's something totally separate from Nolan's movies.

[Cain]

Screw semantics I don't think it's fair for a filmmaker to be handicapped by another film maker's continuity. Not with a character so broad and bigger than life like Batman. I don't think it's necessary even if the past movies are used as a "vague history". Just because you're not following Nolan's continuity doesn't mean you'd have to retell the origin yet again. I believe some of you really underestimate the general audiences, they all know whay Batman becomes Batman. All that is necessary is telling a fresh good & entertaining story using the mythos as inspiration.

I think if the series continues after Nolan as one long series of films in one continuity then it will become redundant. It needs to keep getting reinvented from filmmaker to filmmaker to remain fresh.

[Seen]

Paul Greengrass.

[Laderlappen]

Why should they continue it? I don't think any great director have the balls to continue what Nolan & Co have done to this series. They would know that they would always be no2(or 3).

[GoogleMe94]

i dont care what the masses think, a new batman film is a new batman film. whether its a sequel, a prequel or a restart, its a batman film and as long ppl know that, they will go see it. after nolan does his films, which i hope hes done after 3, then i hope we see a new version of batman, hoefully one that is a little more comic booky and sureal so that its different from nolans world and is fresh and different. of course, theres only so many ways you can do the same character, but im open for anything new with batman, but i do wish they would go back to basics and start doing a "comic book film" instead oa a male soap opera.

[David Rice]

David Frikkin' Fincher

Enough Said.

Ummmm, no. I thought of him too, but he couldn't direct an action film to save his life now.

[David Rice]

Darren Aronofsky or Zack Snyder or Frank Miller and make it rated R. Make it gory, cussing, violence, and sex the way Gotham is suppose to be...

Ummmm, no.

[Nepenthes]

add Robin, new trilogy from his perspective.

[Laderlappen]

Robin Begins?

[Cain]

add Robin, new trilogy from his perspective.

There's something that could work.

[CaptainClown]

I think a lot of fans don't care for Robin for that series to be a strong one.
But I love the idea, I love new ways to tell the same story

[Two-Face]

After Nolan get David Fincher direct fourth movie.

[mrsparkle]

Quentin Tarintino :o

[EagleVision]

So let's make a few assumptions here before I get to my point...

1) Christopher Nolan does three movies. Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and the third movie. Then he moves on -- he's done his take on Batman.

2) Christian Bale and the rest of the cast are done after three, have no desire to do another Batman without Nolan.

3) WB has every intention of making more Batman movies after the third Nolan film (duh)

^THAT'S CORRECT IN MY BOOK :)

To me, the direction of future Batman movies after these ones is clear in light of the success of 300 -- green screen CGI based movies that are direct adaptations of the most important and iconic Batman graphic novels.

^ AGREED- CGI IS DEFINITELY NEEDED. AND GET SOME GRAPPLE HOOK SWINGING IN THERE FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING TOO WITH A LIL' MORE FINESSE THAN SPIDEY- SINCE HE IS STILL HUMAN. BATS WAS THE FIRST DO IT AFTER ALL. :)

Allow me to say, first of all, that I enjoy all five of the Batman live action movies (yes, even the crappy B&R). I love the original Batman, but I'm not a wild BM '89 fanboy who hates on everything that isn't Keaton... I'm a defender of Schumaker (I still like Forever) but I recognize the obvious cheese and flaws of his movies... And obviously I love Nolan as a director, love BB and am incredibly excited for TDK...

^ RIGHT ON! :)

But I think there's something missing with all three directors.

With Burton's take, the movie is too Burton. It's dark and gothic to the extent of being weird. Every character has that sunken black look, it's overdone (this is especially true in Returns, obviously).

^ TRU STATEMENT :)

With Schumaker he tried to go for a more lavish and exciting Batman, and clearly went way too far and we got neon lights, horrific puns, bat-nipples, cringe inducing one-liners, and giant naked statues.

^ TRU AGAIN :)

With Nolan, there is an emphasis on realism as well as the best storytelling and acting ever in a superhero movie, but it doesn't have that sensational superhero mystique and action that other movies seem to have captured...

^ ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! :)

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To me the solution for the next era of the franchise is clear -- forget a given director's "vision" or "take." Go back to the source material.

^ FANTASTIC! U JUST SAID THE KEY WORDS MY FRIEND. GO BACK TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL. THAT HAS BEEN IN MY SIGNATURE FOR A LONG TIME. YOU'VE GOTTA HONOR THE SOURCE MATERIAL. IT IS SO REFRESHING TO HEAR SOMEONE ELSE SAY THAT AND EXAMINE ALL THE ANGLES. :)

Look at the recent success of Sin City or 300, and imagine what "Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns" could look like... And there is so much great material to work with...


Plus it has its benefits... You don't need to keep together the same cast, every graphic novel has its own significance and take in and of itself...

Frank Miller's Batman: Year One
The Man Who Laughs
The Long Halloween
Dark Victory
The Killing Joke
No Man's Land
Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns

^ I DO AGREE THAT SOME COMICS CAN BE DIRECTLY BROUGHT TO THEATER BUT SOME STORIES ARE BETTER FORMED AS LONG AS THEY HAVE CHARACTERS THAT DON'T STRAY FROM THEIR ORIGINS.

And that just scratches the surface.


I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA BE ANOTHER POINTLESS BUT YOU CAME WITH THE QUICKNESS AND LAID OUT THE KEY POINTS WITH EACH DIRECTOR. CGI IS THE FUTURE OF BATS, AND THE BEST POINT MADE IS NO PRE-FORMED VISION OF A DIRECTOR, BUT HONOR THE SOURCE MATERIAL. AS LONG AS BATMAN ISN'T AS OVERSTYLIZED AS 300 OR ANYTHING, I BASICALLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING U SAID. WELL DONE.

[CaptainClown]

Quentin Tarintino :o

no please no

we don't need Batman using the N word cussing and unnecessary amounts of gore and long conversations about not tipping.

[Two-Face]

Batman franchise needs David Fincher.

[Laderlappen]

I doubt anybody in David Fincher's league would want to touch the Batman franshise that Nolan have made so perfectly.

[Two-Face]

I doubt anybody in David Fincher's league would want to touch the Batman franshise that Nolan have made so perfectly.

I said after Nolan.

[CaptainClown]

I would want the guy who did Children of Men

[Mr. Socko]

no please no

we don't need Batman using the N word cussing and unnecessary amounts of gore and long conversations about not tipping.


LOL! That bit made me really laugh:oldrazz:

I would want the guy who did Children of Men

Alfonso Cuaron? I think he would be an excellent choice. His Harry Potter film is still the one that stands out as the probably the most well done IMO. I loved Children of Men as well, dare I say it, he's better than Del Toro.

[CaptainClown]

Ya, I think Del Toro makes great fantasy things come to life. He would be ideal for something like Martian Man hunter or even Green Lantern mainly because he takes these unbelievable things and brings em to reality and uses wonderful make up and designs.. Oh well

and yes Socko Alfonso Cuaron, he definitly has the right atmosphere for the Gotham Nolan has set, that is if he sticks with it.

[Cain]

I would want the guy who did Children of Men

I've been saying that for months, Cuaron is the only really logical choice. I like Fincher and Proyas too and want to see a Bat film by them but I want something by Cuaron more than anything. The closest thing to that is that Arkham Asylum fan film. Del Toro, Aronofsky and even Steven Soderbergh could bring a unique style and vision to a Batman film as well IMO.

[CaptainClown]

I think Aronofsky, though a great director,(and I mean great) really would have to change his style to fit Batman. It would be like watering his work down for a comic book movie. He would also have to compromise for the sake of staying somewhat true to the comics which I heard in his script or draft he really wasn't.

and ya, so far I am still stuck with Alfonso Cuaron

[Two-Face]

What about Martin Campbell? He can direct action aka Casino Royale.

[Laderlappen]

I said after Nolan.Uh, yeah??? It's not like he can travel back in time and make one before Nolan.

[Cyrusbales]

Alfonso Cuaron? Are people on crack?

[CaptainClown]

just a little bit, you know what they say crack goes a long way

[Cyrusbales]

Y Tu Mama Tambien to Batman? WTF?

[Swordmaster]

Technically, Y Tu Mama Tambien to Harry Potter to Batman

[Cyrusbales]

Exactly, getting worse, and showing style VERY different to Batman's requirement....

[CaptainClown]

so we are purposly skipping Children of Men? I didn't like Y tu or Harry Potter but he definitly brought that dark into Potter

[Swordmaster]

so we are purposly skipping Children of Men? I didn't like Y tu or Harry Potter but he definitly brought that dark into Potter
I forgot about Children of Men until just now, I was just about to edit it, but you beat me.

Curse you CaptainClown!

[Cyrusbales]

Prisoner of Azkaban? The talentless ****e fest? I spent the whole time thinking "Why am I here", a bad film, slightly above average for a kids film, but poor in terms of general cinema.

Children of men is a terribly over-rated film, excellent production design though.

[CaptainClown]

It still shows he could move from genre to genre. I coudn't stand any of the Harry Potter movies but the tone is what did it

[Cyrusbales]

The tone of stereotype and childlike construction?

[CaptainClown]

ya, just arguing this out would reach nowhere. Who would you want? Didn't you not like the tone of BB anyway?

[CaptainClown]

I forgot about Children of Men until just now, I was just about to edit it, but you beat me.

Curse you CaptainClown!

gotcha:woot:

[Cain]

I think Aronofsky, though a great director,(and I mean great) really would have to change his style to fit Batman. It would be like watering his work down for a comic book movie. He would also have to compromise for the sake of staying somewhat true to the comics which I heard in his script or draft he really wasn't.

and ya, so far I am still stuck with Alfonso Cuaron

Well he and Miller were hired to "reinvent" the franchise so the context of the goal also comes a long way. I didn't agree with the changes though I was open minded to them but I'll tell you one thing he captured the tone of Gotham City and the character of the Batman himself very damn well. I actually prefer the Batman in that script to the Batman seen in BB. I think given a chance with a more established Batman and seeing how important with fans it is to keep core things symmetrical with the comics like Nolan did he'd come up with something really good if ever given another chance with the character.

[CaptainClown]

Well he and Miller were hired to "reinvent" the franchise so the context of the goal also comes a long way. I didn't agree with the changes though I was open minded to them but I'll tell you one thing he captured the tone of Gotham City and the character of the Batman himself very damn well. I actually prefer the Batman in that script to the Batman seen in BB. I think given a chance with a more established Batman and seeing how important with fans it is to keep core things symmetrical with the comics like Nolan did he'd come up with something really good if ever given another chance with the character.
how much was it different. I think those two would be a deadly combo

[Mr. Socko]

ya, just arguing this out would reach nowhere. Who would you want? Didn't you not like the tone of BB anyway?


Yeah, you better not argue with the all knowing film deity. He'll put us all in place. :whatever:

[CaptainClown]

I know, I was losing at Halo. THE FILM DIETY HAS CURSED ME!

[Cain]

how much was it different. I think those two would be a deadly combo

He came across as more driven to me actually the letters to his father made him a more sympathetic character to me. The way Gotham was depicted I could totally buy why he would truly care to save it that never happened with BB.

He was more resourceful (this guy wouldn't need a Q type character like Lucius was used in BB at all) when he spoke he was straight to business, he was also much more brutal not just as Batman but as Bruce Wayne yet wasn't a killer. Also the way he interacted with other characters felt more "Batman" to me than what I saw in BB especially Selina & Gordon.

[CaptainClown]

He came across as more driven to me actually the letters to his father made him a more sympathetic character to me. The way Gotham was depicted I could totally buy why he would truly care to save it that never happened with BB.

He was more resourceful (this guy wouldn't need a Q type character like Lucius was used in BB at all) when he spoke he was straight to business, he was also much more brutal not just as Batman but as Bruce Wayne yet wasn't a killer. Also the way he interacted with other characters felt more "Batman" to me than what I saw in BB especially Selina & Gordon.
where did you read it, it sounds really interesting

[MAKIEVELLI]

where did you read it, it sounds really interesting

Try SimplyScripts.com. The script was quiet good, just not Batman.

[CaptainClown]

I heard it was a very vigilante type story not particularly batman

[Cain]

Try SimplyScripts.com. The script was quiet good, just not Batman.

Very false statement. The script had plenty of "Batman" moments in it. That's like saying Gotham By Gaslight isn't Batman just because there were glaring changes that did not follow the conventional canon.

[Mr. Socko]

Batman 3 will be released in 2011. After that, another probably wouldn't come out until 2014 which really seems like a long way from now.

[Lando]

If Nolan left - David Fincher should come on board.
Sam Worthington for Wayne.
Tim Roth for Gordon.
Clive Revill for Alfred.

[Mladen]

Michael Bay should direct
Ben Affleck should play Batman

[CaptainClown]

Shia La buff for robin
Megan Fox for Catwoman
anthony Anderson for stock black character
bruce willis for joker

[Mr. Socko]

Let's have Martin Scorsese direct so people can learn what a real realistic gritty take on Batman would be.

[CaptainClown]

lets have george lucas direct it, he would cg the whole movie

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Chan Wook Park.
Old boy is one of the best movies I have seen.


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Along with one of my fav fight scenes ever.

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[Mladen]

lets have george lucas direct it, he would cg the whole movie

and he'd throw in some offensive ethnic stereotypes too! Everybody wins!

[luca_frontino]

... I would like to see Frank Miller writing and directing his Batman.

[Damiean Dark]

Nolan is a great director but i really dont think he put his "stamp" on batman i didnt see anything to see that he was the director so if he left we wouldnt see the shake up we got when Burton finished his movies and shumacher took the directing chair.

[Bat-Mite]

Nolan is a great director but i really dont think he put his "stamp" on batman i didnt see anything to see that he was the director so if he left we wouldnt see the shake up we got when Burton finished his movies and shumacher took the directing chair.And the broken record plays on...

[Armored Avenger]

... I would like to see Frank Miller writing and directing his Batman.

Maybe writing, but i wouldnt want him directing as well.

[gdw]

... I would like to see Frank Miller writing and directing his Batman.

I'm guessing you missed the whole Year One script, eh?

[Hannibal Harm]

I think after these films, WB are goin' to give the franchise a rest and start reaping the benefits from DVD sales and merchandise.

At this point, I can't see anyone else even wanting to take Batman over after looking at what Nolan is doing.

[DACrowe]

After Nolan is done, Batman as a solo film character should probably take a rest for a few decades until people actually want to see him but after 7-8 films in 20 years, we're doing pretty well.

As for a replacement in Miller? Please no. The guy has lost his touch in the comic medium and the idea of a Sin City-styled Batman movie fills me with apathy.

[Nightwing1977]

... I would like to see Frank Miller writing and directing his Batman.

You're kidding, right? He isn't the same great writer he once was. Not to mention he wrote the awful Year One script. Trust me, Year One would be as bad as Batman & Robin with making Bruce live in a car garage & Alfred is a big black man name Big Al. He also supposely speak jive words. Thank god WB didn't greenlit it.

[David Rice]

... I would like to see Frank Miller writing and directing his Batman.

You can really say that after All Star? :whatever:

Frank Miller has no business even going near Batman. Stick to what you know Miller!

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Even if it would be a shame if WB pissed Nolan so much that he would quit before his third, but if the saga continues, I suggest the Wachowski Bros. Matrix and V for Vendetta give them credit :)

[EagleVision]

I know David Goyer has wanted to a Batman movie for a long time and he's a decent director. I like most of his work. Plus he knows the comics well and he could continue the films the way it should be. Maybe David Goyer for directing and Frank Miller for writing....hmmm, that doesn't sound half bad.

But hopefully Nolan will stick around and tell WB off.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

I know David Goyer has wanted to a Batman movie for a long time and he's a decent director. I can't argue on the line saying "I like most of his work" because it is opinion, and you have right to it. But Goyer having directed Blade Trinity and next big directorial project being that Magneto spin-off, I wouldn't put any confidence in him as a batdirector. Let him write for Bats and that's it, please. He did a good job in Begins, so let it that way, even if Jonah Nolan will perhaps upstage him.

[GL1]

Nolan is a great director but i really dont think he put his "stamp" on batman i didnt see anything to see that he was the director so if he left we wouldnt see the shake up we got when Burton finished his movies and shumacher took the directing chair.

Thank you, that was helpful. That darn kitten was annoying the heck out of me and this statement has killed it. :up:

But yeah, Robert Rodriguez could be fun. Maybe bring a bit of the Sky Captain surrealism to the Nolanverse, which, imho, would be just fine. Chances are that we'd get closer to the comics Batman in attitude, which would be more than just fine by me.

Goyer? Meh. Let's see if Magneto is anything first.

[Van Petrol]

At the moment if Nolan left, I'd probably go with Fincher aswell.

[Killing Joke926]

Nolan Will Never Leave!!!

[UltimateJustin]

Or someone good like Singer.

[BubbaGump]

... I would like to see Frank Miller writing and directing his Batman.

:dry:

[JackBauer24]

Shoot me down if you will for creating this thread - I'm sure there's something like it in the Batman Begins Sequels forum. But I just thought I'd bring it to attention that in the Empire article it mentions several times that Nolan had 'no intention' of doing a sequel to Batman Begins once he'd finished it. And that it was only halfway through 'The Prestige' that he decided to do it.

I don't know about anybody else - but this comes as a shock to me. I thought the general consensus was, at least amongst these boards, of which I have been a member since BB's release, was that a Nolan-directed sequel was all but a given. And in fact that Nolan plans to film a trilogy. I certainly remember reading David Goyer talking about this long before The Prestige even went into production. So what's the real deal? Did Nolan originally not want to do a sequel? And if so, what does this mean for the next instalment in the Batman franchise? And perhaps more importantly - what does it mean for Two-Face's portrayal in TDK? If Nolan fully intends to leave after TDK, will he try to rush Two-Face's story into the last 30 mins of TDK a la venom?

How has nobody else picked up on this?

[turtlefocker]

I hope he sticks around for numero three

[D.P.]

Don't jinx it.

Geez.

[Bishop]

i don't know if he will leave, but if he does it's the end of this saga as far as i'm concerned. unless they get aronofsky or the coens to do it, and i don't think they would.

[JackBauer24]

this might have to be in the non-spoiler forum bauer.
i think u should move it

Yeah, trouble is that if I put it there nobody will discuss it.

[wikum]

after all this justice league bull****....i have no doubt that the answer is yes, which is a shame. the only person i think could talk him into doing the third film is christian bale...who happens to be contracted for that film.

[Sccmj23]

I think a lot of us have picked up on it but it hasnt really been discussed because its still too early to tell. Regardless of whether Nolan ever planned to do a sequel or not, its happening and we should all be happy about that. Of course we all hope that Nolan will stick around for more Bat-films but I guess we will just have to wait and see.

I personally think that as long as TDK is successful (which im sure it will be) that Nolan will stick around for at least one more film.

[Luchastyle]

of course we all want him to do it. but who knows if he will.

[JackBauer24]

after all this justice league bull****....i have no doubt that the answer is yes, which is a shame. the only person i think could talk him into doing the third film is christian bale...who happens to be contracted for that film.

Doesn't that make you worry for this film? And Two-Face's arc?

[gwynplaine]

Trilogy is an appealing word for a filmmaker. I think he'll leave after pt 3 (and of course stick a movie "the prisoner" ? In between a la prestige).

[Solidus]

Yea this is not really the place to discuss this.

And he wrote this as a 3 parter, well Goyer did. And Bale has to stay on for all 3. So I think he will. No matter what people think JLA will do to it. Nolan is a good man, and caring to the fans. I bet a lot he will. Cuz it sounds like TDK ends with some leads into the next. Even Bale said that. So I think he will stick with his actors and do the last one.

I just don't think this is a relevant thing to ask right now.

[JackBauer24]

Yea this is not really the place to discuss this.

And he wrote this as a 3 parter, well Goyer did. And Bale has to stay on for all 3. So I think he will. No matter what people think JLA will do to it. Nolan is a good man, and caring to the fans. I bet a lot he will. Cuz it sounds like TDK ends with some leads into the next. Even Bale said that. So I think he will stick with his actors and do the last one.

I just don't think this is a relevant thing to ask right now.

I think it is because if they are planning this to be the end of Nolan's run, that affects TDK directly.

[Bishop]

after all this justice league bull****....i have no doubt that the answer is yes, which is a shame. the only person i think could talk him into doing the third film is christian bale...who happens to be contracted for that film.


QFT

[Solidus]

after all this justice league bull****....i have no doubt that the answer is yes, which is a shame. the only person i think could talk him into doing the third film is christian bale...who happens to be contracted for that film.


JLA will have no effect, no where have we heard personaly Nolan get mad about that. Thats just fan speculation.

I believe it will continue reguardless. Its a seperate story, Nolan's universe is far from what JLA will do.

[DV8]

that's the same discrepancy I arrived at after reading the article . . . but I have a gut feeling (which have failed me on many occasions) that Nolan will be back :cool: :up:

plus, don't forget . . . this film WILL BE HUGE . . . I gaurantee it . . . that whole "Nolan didn't really want to do this sequel anyway" is a way of saying "Nolan might not do the follow up to one of the most iconic representations of Joker if you don't pay him more $$"

[Stotch]

Trilogy is an appealing word for a filmmaker. I think he'll leave after pt 3 (and of course stick a movie "the prisoner" ? In between a la prestige).

I'm gonna agree with that. Besides, didn't they say they already started writing the script for pt. 3?

[JackBauer24]

that's the same discrepancy I arrived at after reading the article . . . but I have a gut feeling (which have failed me on many occasions) that Nolan will be back :cool: :up:

plus, don't forget . . . this film WILL BE HUGE . . . I gaurantee it . . . that whole "Nolan didn't really want to do this sequel anyway" is a way of saying "Nolan might not do the follow up to one of the most iconic representations of Joker if you don't pay him more $$"

Clever. Didn't think of it that way. Personally I'm not that bothered if there isn't a BB3 as long as TDK is the f***ing sh** (to use a phrase). I just worry they're going to rush a story that may have been planned for two movies and try and cram it into one.

[Solidus]

Yea Jonathan did start the script for Shadow of the Bat or what ever. So I'm sure the bro's are sticking together.

That and money talks. Haggis did not want to do Bond 22, while working on In the Valley of Ellah he was like no way. Then he ended up doing it. Money does talk in hollywood ;)

[Keyser Soze]

I certainly hope Christopher Nolan sticks around for a third film. If anyone can break the "Part Three Curse" of the superhero film, it's him.

[wikum]

JLA will have no effect, no where have we heard personaly Nolan get mad about that. Thats just fan speculation.

I believe it will continue reguardless. Its a seperate story, Nolan's universe is far from what JLA will do.

of course it will. nolan is an artist...he's been working tirelessly to make batman...to quote christian bale "a badass" again.what do wb do? decide to go and make some cheesy ****ty teenybopper jla film with some crappy z list actor playing batman! why not just leave batman out of the picture altogether? he has a successful franchise going for him...unlike superman.

jla is going to be like power rangers with a budget like transformers.

nolan is going to want out....i have no doubt about it. i'm not saying he won't be talked back into it...but trust me...us brits are stubborn. if i was nolan, i know i'd be pissed about it. what's there to like about it?



Doesn't that make you worry for this film? And Two-Face's arc?

it doesn't make me worry for this film at all...because nolan is always going to want to make the best film he possibly can. i'm sure this film is going to live up to all expectations and then some.

as for two face...this film is merely setting up his character... but i worry what will happen to two face if another director picks up the bat.

[wikum]

And the broken record plays on...

and on

[The Guard]

Wait...people actually believe he never planned to make a sequel if BATMAN BEGINS was a success?

[hegele]

I don't think Nolan will ever openly commit to another Batman until at least he finishes The Prisoner.

[Castlewood]

Darren Aronofsky. Period.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

I certainly hope Christopher Nolan sticks around for a third film. If anyone can break the "Part Three Curse" of the superhero film, it's him.Nice thought, and a right one for sure. Especially if TDK is a bridge between BB and the third.

I find it wise to separate each bat-filmmaking with another project (The Prestige in 2006, The Prisoner after TDK), it gives him a break to target back to Batman after instead of being too much focused on the same project and blindly take bad decisions (e.g. SM3) that makes the film look random and weaker. I have faith that Nolan & Co. will finish their trilogy, thus giving us a nice final note with the batman character on screen.

BALE/NOLAN DAMNIT!!!!

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Nice thought, and a right one for sure. Especially if TDK is a bridge between BB and the third.

I find it wise to separate each bat-filmmaking with another project (The Prestige in 2006, The Prisoner after TDK), it gives him a break to target back to Batman after instead of being too much focused on the same project and blindly take bad decisions (e.g. SM3) that makes the film look random and weaker. I have faith that Nolan & Co. will finish their trilogy, thus giving us a nice final note with the batman character on screen.

BALE/NOLAN DAMNIT!!!!

It would be nice if Nolan finished this franchise, or so called triolgy - especially for the bat-fans who had to go through so much inconsistencies with the previous franchise (Both story and design wise - each movie felt different).


These guys have storys to tell and if WB aren't too pushy and respect Nolan's wishes... then we should be fine. Same for Bale.

Talented people like Nolan and Bale who are working hard to restore the legend of Batman - Which WB royally f***ked up - shouldn't be taking any crap!!!

[Nightwing1977]

Darren Aronofsky. Period.

Him?!? No thanks. He try to greenlight the awful Year One adaption that sound nothing like Batman. Pass.

[BatJeff7786]

Here's to Nolan becoming the definitive Bat-director. Screw a trilogy. As long as he still gets to make a non-Bat film in between, I don't see why he couldn't continue doing them (a la the first James Bond directors who stood for 3-5 films each). Unless he feels he creatively can't do anymore. I would understand that. I just don't want the Batman films to become squandered in continuity problems and tone change like the 90's films did. Batman can be a James Bond franchise if it wants to be. He's been around for even longer than Bond anyways.

[Skullseeker]

Nolan is a great director but i really dont think he put his "stamp" on batman i didnt see anything to see that he was the director so if he left we wouldnt see the shake up we got when Burton finished his movies and shumacher took the directing chair.


You have gotta be kidding, right ? Nolan has given us the most realistic and gritty Batman ever ! His portrayal of the story and characters is far better than Schumakers comedic pantomimes and far superior to even Burton's versions, yes I would agree that both of these directors have left there "stamp" on their versions but lets examine their versions a bit further.

Burton's films were overly gothic and dark, but then again ain't all of his films like that........think edward scissorhands and then there is the character direction, a step up from the 1960's Batman but nowhere near the same realism as Nolan. Casting issues aswell, I mean lets be honest Keaton (who was and is a very close friend of Burton) as Batman and Nicholson as the Joker (well he played the part better than Romero) was just a chance for Jack to 'Showboat' his own type of comedy rascal.

Schumaker's films were pathetic and lame, squeeze as many villians in as possible and then cut back on storylines and just hope for the best....yeah he left his "Stamp" on it - he killed the franchise off in two films and managed to alienate Batman fans all over the world, wow what a guy !

The thing about directing is to always be the invisible hand, not leaving your mark on a film is the sign of a great film maker, just dealing with the story and then getting the actors to give their best performances is the important part. Afterall, we can all tell a Burton film from a Schumaker film, but could you tell a Nolan film from any other good quality well made film ? I doubt it, well I could not anyway. If you have any further doubts I suggest you watch 'The Prestige' by Nolan and see for yourself what a good director can do with a fantastically difficult story.
At the end of the day a Director is rather like a story teller or a puppeteer, they control the story, the characters and everything in between and a good puppeteer should have an invisible touch......thats part of the magic of cinema.

There are many directors that have a certain style that is popular, but like everything that is popular - they end up going out of fashion after a time. This is true of Burton, Tarrantino, Guy Richie etc who are all good directors in their own right but it has to be said that they have there own style and as a result are only suited to a certain genre of film, a shame - but true.

[samsnee]

Who should do it? And don't say they should end it, because if the studio wants a third picture, they'll bring in someone who will direct it. Hopefully it won't turn into an X3 situation where the potential for a great story at the end of the second movie is made a B-plot in the third.

Maybe Alex Proyas?

[Conebone69]

NO ONE! Seriously I dont wanna see another director come in and screw things up if nolan had joker planned to be in the third film. I only want nolan, and if he doesnt want to stay then I say, just stop. But if worse comes to worse then I'd like peter jackson to direct it

[DoctorJones]

Keep it as a duology than, like The Godfather.

Oh wait...

[Kelly]

Merging Nolan threads....

[p.marlowe]

One of the many reasons that Chris Nolan's film works so well is his Director of Photography, Wally Pfister. They shot Batman Begins as they would any other thriller. It just happened to have Batman in it.

If they have to find a new director, they would do well to find someone who wants to take a different approach than Shumacher did. That is, instead of trying to re-invent the wheel, build a wheel with a whole different crew, same cast, and try to match the new film seemlessly with the previous two. If I were a director, I would be open to the challenge.

[ND Irish]

After Nolan is done, Batman as a solo film character should probably take a rest for a few decades until people actually want to see him but after 7-8 films in 20 years, we're doing pretty well.

As for a replacement in Miller? Please no. The guy has lost his touch in the comic medium and the idea of a Sin City-styled Batman movie fills me with apathy.

Agree 100%. I dont like the idea of a Batman on steroids going after criminals because of Roid Rage. And Sin City sucked balls I dont care what people say about how different or unique it was.

[ND Irish]

Honestly after a 3rd film I was hoping the Bat franchise would take a break. Sounds crazy but after the Two-Face storyline, there isnt a many other characters that die-hard fans wanna see in this Nolanverse of realism. Riddler among others would be a stretch, but anything is possible

[SPIDERMAN117]

If nolan were to leave after his third film I think this would be perfect timing to do THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS just after nolans franchise is complete wait a couple of years and release this film

[p.marlowe]

If nolan were to leave after his third film I think this would be perfect timing to do THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS just after nolans franchise is complete wait a couple of years and release this film

you're right! It would! Just for fun, who do you think would make a good "older than snot" Batman?

[SPIDERMAN117]

you're right! It would! Just for fun, who do you think would make a good "older than snot" Batman?
me personally I would love Clint eastwood as Batman but then again idk its a gamble for me

[p.marlowe]

What about George Clooney? He's a better actor now than he was ten years ago. Or Brian Dennehy?

[SPIDERMAN117]

What about George Clooney? He's a better actor now than he was ten years ago. Or Brian Dennehy?
In a way i could see clooney back in the role but then everyone would be like ZONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh noe Clooney!!!!!!!!! More Nipples!!!!!!!!!!!
then that would be annoying brian wouldnt be that bad either or maybe
have adam west come back to reprise his role as the dark knight?

[p.marlowe]

Adam West as the Dark Knight?

Don't you mean Dork Knight?:woot:

I'm just trying to be funny... thanks!

[SPIDERMAN117]

Adam West as the Dark Knight?

Don't you mean Dork Knight?:woot:

I'm just trying to be funny... thanks!
Ha i get you but idk whoever they find as the dark knight should be interesting now as the joker theres two people on my mind Willam Dafoe or David Bowie either two would be great

[Kaizer]

if Nolan leaves, put David Fincher on the job. And if they need to recast the joker, how about Josh Hartnett, or maybe even Brad Pitt? Radical choices, perhaps, but they kind of embody the same kind of character that Heath Ledger had.

[regwec]

David Fincher or Ridley Scott, written by Paul Dini.

[Cyrusbales]

Rob Bowman :)

Whilst his films have been rather poor, he made a name for himself on TV series, namely The X-files, in which he showed great innovation with a small budget, and when not influenced by an oppressive studio, and with a great script in hand, he directed some amazing pieces of film.

[FlawlessVictory]

Yea this is not really the place to discuss this.

And he wrote this as a 3 parter, well Goyer did. And Bale has to stay on for all 3. So I think he will. No matter what people think JLA will do to it. Nolan is a good man, and caring to the fans. I bet a lot he will. Cuz it sounds like TDK ends with some leads into the next. Even Bale said that. So I think he will stick with his actors and do the last one.

I just don't think this is a relevant thing to ask right now.

And keep in mind that WB has treated Nolan well. They trusted him with one of their biggest assets and gave him a great budget to work with. They did not compromise his vision (WB could have told Nolan to water down the Joker because it may be too scary for the kiddies but they didn't). WB clearly wants him for a third as they are extremely happy with what they have seen of TDK (Anne Thompson of Variety mentioned this in her blog a couple of weeks ago).

While Nolan doesn't owe WB anything, I bet he will return the favor for them trusting him with the franchise by finishing out his trilogy. Plus, he would want to maintain a good working relationship with the studio so I doubt he would just flat out say no when they ask him to return. Also, you have Bale who has enjoyed playing Batman and is under contract for 3, so you know he will be doing as much as possible to get him to return as they have a good working relationship as well.

[That'ssuper!]

Get James Cameron back into the action film genre. He knows how to use a dark attitude which we need in Batman.

[ThreeActRomance]

if Nolan finishes his "Year One" trilogy (for lack of a better moniker)..maybe they could jump ahead to a future series. ie: Batman Beyond with Alex Proyas directing.

It could be a Dystopian cyberpunk style Batman movie in the vein of the The Matrix or Strange Days. Or possibly even like V For Vendetta.

It could work rather well.

[Ibn]

Crosses fingers for Guillermo Del Toro

[joey la douche]

I hope he sticks around

[FlawlessVictory]

if Nolan finishes his "Year One" trilogy (for lack of a better moniker)..maybe they could jump ahead to a future series. ie: Batman Beyond with Alex Proyas directing.

It could be a Dystopian cyberpunk style Batman movie in the vein of the The Matrix or Strange Days. Or possibly even like V For Vendetta.

It could work rather well.

That would be interesting.

Crosses fingers for Guillermo Del Toro

Looks like he is going to be busy with The Hobbit.

[rory_bat]

If Nolan leaves......


... I will cry for a very long time.

[NoirMan82]

If Nolan and crew leave?


Director: David Fincher

Bruce/Batman: Jonathan Rhys Meyers

Alfred: John Cleese

Gordon: J.K. Simmons

Go from there.

[Laderlappen]

Fincher wouldn't do Batman.

[Ratcrawler]

I know I'll get a few groans but Bryan Singer. He depowered the X-Men and made Superman more emotional than necessary but I think his sense of groundedness would work for a batflick. Besides, the man gave us House for God's sake!

[ThreeActRomance]

"Batman Beyond"

Terry McGuiness / Batman II - Will Friedle (Jason David Frank in the suit for fight scenes)

Bruce Wayne - Micheal Keaton

Ras Al Ghul - Liam Neeson

Derek Powers - ???

Mr. Fixx - Micheal Clarke Duncan

Directed by Alex Proyas
Written by Paul Dini

my main story takes a few bits from the "Rebirth" episodes...with a new twist. basically..here's my idea...

WaynePowers is found making nerve gas for the rival, Lazarus Corporation. Fronted by Amanda Waller (of Cadmus fame)..but secretly backed by Ras Al Ghul. As associate of Warren McGuiness' gives Warren the info on it.

The whole Terry / Bruce meeting would basically be like in the cartoon. He'd run off. Chase some Jokerz / random gang members to Wayne Manor, etc etc etc.

The gang would kill Warren, and Terry would find the data on the nerve gas. Take it to Wayne, and deliver a nice line to make Bruce help him.

"Your company is making nerve gas for Lazarus...*no answer*..Yeah, I thought you wouldn't care. If you were half the Batman you should be-the name of the owner of Lazarus would ring a bell..*no answer*..Ras Al Ghul...*door opens*

The rest would write itself. Ras would end up turning on Powers-giving him Radiation poisoning. Instead of becoming Blight-i'd retcon it a bit, and use the Superman villian Conduit for Derek Powers instead.

Ends with a small Terry / Ras battle...where we get the famous "You're pretty good, for some punk who thinks he's Batman..." "I AM BATMAN" conversation...

[sarg2k]

If they decide to use characters like Clayface/Croc I would like to see Guillermo Del Toro to direct

[Super_Ludacris]

After Nolan is done, Batman as a solo film character should probably take a rest for a few decades until people actually want to see him but after 7-8 films in 20 years, we're doing pretty well.

As for a replacement in Miller? Please no. The guy has lost his touch in the comic medium and the idea of a Sin City-styled Batman movie fills me with apathy.

Basically...

[FatmanReturns]

I would like an action director to take over

I like Gore Verbinski for Batman

[Mr.E.Nigma]

i would honestly like to see a bay guy that hasn't been done yet like the mad-hatter or man-bat or even killa-croc

but if i have to be totally honest i would love to see nolan do the same thing to the riddler as he did to the joker

imagine a dark riddler just like out of the old school way dark batman comics instead of the glorified riddler as we know today thanks to Frank Gorshin and Jim Carrey

plus it would be a great viral to have just hours of fun with riddle after riddle :woot:

but i don't think it would work without nolan directing it

[Cagefighterkip]

Fincher wouldn't do Batman.

prolly right---but he'd be great for it

[spideyman101]

Is it possible for Nolan's films to end up the beginning of the end for the Batman series? The way Burton's films were?

Think about it. Burton does two films: Batman and Batman Returns, both are successful.

Nolan does two films: Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, both are successful (so far with TDK, but undoubtedly yes for the release). TDK is much darker than BB. Where I live you'd be surprised all the negative comments I've heard towards TDK. Many people say that just because of Ledger's performance as the Joker that they won't see it. Yes, his performance is incredible, but there's a lot of people who are crying "it's too dark". Same way all the
"mommy's" were crying for Batman Returns.

Do you think WB will make the same mistake and try to make Batman 3 lighter just like they tried to do with Batman Forever?

If Nolan pulls out, you can pretty much call this the end of the series.

All I know is I don't want another Schumacher scenario!

Why or why not do you think this'll happen? Discuss...

[dolfan55aj]

This will not happen because WB has probably learned from their mistakes, I mean people are smart, they'll figure it out...i hope

[Joker]

Yeah...they learned from there mistakes...that's why we got that campfest Catwoman...guess they didnt learn after all.

[lujho]

IF TDK turns out to be a little too much for audiences, hopefully there would be a rectifying "gentle nudge" in a lighter direction (i.e. back towards the tone of Begins) rather than a radical new approach.

Even if the 3rd film is directed by someone else, hopefully it would be better integrated (hopefully with the same cast) with the previous films than Batman Forever was with Burton's films. No radical redesigns or shifts in tone.

[-Crusher-]

WB took a big risk in allowing BB to happen, i highly doubt they'll let it get to the lows of B&R.

[spideyman101]

I dunno... Spider-Man 3 sunk some low even though Batman, Superman and X-Men all sunk low after the 2nd film... one main reason being too many storylines and villains and not enough time to explain! (not the case for Supes 3.. for that it was just nerdy :P )

[-Crusher-]

but with spiderman they didnt have before hand experience like WB did with batman.

[Y_sO_SeRiOuS?]

I feel Batman should remain just as dark as TDK will be. If they "lighten" it up for 3, the movie is gonna suck BIG TIME.

[-Crusher-]

they wont lighten him up. WB has to have learned from past mistakes.

[Rac]

I've been worrying about this for a quite long time. But it isn't even certain yet will Nolan return for a third film. He wasn't even gonna make the second!

[ron bond 007]

I just hope Robin will join Batman in a fourth film after Nolan's films. Since Nolan won't do Batman and Robin together another director will. I've always liked Batman when Robin was with him. I mentioned that a fourth Batman film(if it happens)should come out around 2014(Batman's 75th anniversary). And I also hope Batgirl appears too and we see the Batplane as well as Batman's other villians ie.Mr.Freeze,the Riddler,Killer Croc etc.

I think it would be fun if Dark Victory would be the basis for the fourth Batman film where Batman battles multiple villians and takes on Dick Grayson(Robin).

:brucebat::bh:

[regwec]

I would really like to see a sensitive and effective use of Robin in a movie; Batgirl, though, might be a bit too much baggage.

[ron bond 007]

Here's a release schedule of the recent Batman films and maybe even the fourth:

Batman Begins(2005)

The Dark Knight(2008)

Batman 3 (2011)

The Dynamic Duo (2014)

:brucebat::bh:

[Keymaker]

This reminds me of that Arkham Asylum fan trailer done in the 300/Sin city style...I wouldn't mind seeing something like that. However, a Year One or The Long Halloween adaptations wouldn't work because Nolan has already used a lot of elements from them.

[anrrd_2]

Here's a release schedule of the recent Batman films and maybe even the fourth:

Batman Begins(2005)

The Dark Knight(2008)

Batman 3 (2011)

The Dynamic Duo (2014)

:brucebat::bh:

meh...its too "silver age" sounding for my taste...theres something better out there. although i do like the iea of including dick greyson (and maybe even barbara) into the story

[Callahan]

Let Miguel Mesas make a full version of his trailer. It's like Guillermo Del Batman. hahaha

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x-7W3be8XtQ

[mikey09]

After Nolan, stop making the films for a while. The problem with superhero films and franchises and that they keep going and don't know when to stop.

I say let Nolan complete his trilogy and from there we leave Batman for a bit. In the future who knows, but there is no need to keep making Batman movies just for the fun of it. If we do, we're going to get another Batman & Robin.

[regwec]

What is the current 'need' to make Batman films, other than 'for the fun of it'?

[Keymaker]

Let Miguel Mesas make a full version of his trailer. It's like Guillermo Del Batman. hahaha

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x-7W3be8XtQ
Yes, this is what I was talking about. I'd like to see a film done like this.

[mikey09]

What is the current 'need' to make Batman films, other than 'for the fun of it'?
There is no need for anything but from how the majority of people are reacting, Nolan is on pace to create a trilogy that is very respectable not only for comic book movies but for film in general.

I just think that the character becomes tarnished if films are constantly being made. It would have been nice is Burton had his three films and then Nolan had his three films. The problem will have 6 continous films (like Spider-Man is hoping to do) leads to stale development because in the end, the studio is going to put out a product that just makes the most money rather then having any integrity behind it.

[regwec]

I see what you mean. I think it is really a matter of waiting until a great script emerges, and not greenlighting anything without one. That may lead to a Batmovie every three years or every ten, but they would all have merit.

[mikey09]

I see what you mean. I think it is really a matter of waiting until a great script emerges, and not greenlighting anything without one. That may lead to a Batmovie every three years or every ten, but they would all have merit.
Well, hopefully WB has learned from there mistake, although they have a marketing dynamo, they have to use it correctly. I just think when series go too long, they ultimately make the movie for the wrong reason. Look at the Superman series where 1 (good film) 2 (ok film) and then we got Richard Pryor and the Quest for Peace. Batman already had a similar run with BF & B&R, and think Spider-Man is about to feel the same fate.

Hopefully the good scripts come in, and after the trilogy they think about other adaptions that aren't linked to Nolan. A Dark Knight Returns type or just something different. The only problem is with the general public. They aren't as 'religious' as we are with Batman. We will read the synoposis and so on. Look at the Dark Knight for example, most people I talk to think that the Joker has re-emerged from the dead :whatever:

[DarkKnight245]

It's scary to think what WB will do after Nolan leaves. But I think it's a good idea to let the franchise rest.

[Asteroid-Man]

If Nolan, Bale, and everyone else leaves after 3... I think it'll be a LONG time before we see another Batman movie... maybe more than 10 years.

Look at Spider-Man... Raimi and Maguire are done after 3, so is there really much hope for that franchise in the NEAR future?? I don't think so.

We won't see a Bat-film after 3 until we're all in our 40's and 50's, I reckon.
1. Spider-Man 4 and 5 are being filmed and 6 is in pre-development
2. 10 Years? Get real.
3. A lot of the hypesters are already in their 40's and 50's.

[Closerframe]

Take the green screen route that many comic book films are taking these days (Watchmen, The Spirit) . It would be less expensive, and it would be something we've never seen in a Batman film.

[Laderlappen]

10 years is a soon prediction. If we are 'lucky', we will get one in 20 years.

[anrrd_2]

Take the green screen route that many comic book films are taking these days (Watchmen, The Spirit) . It would be less expensive, and it would be something we've never seen in a Batman film.

i would love to see a batman film made like this...imagine a live action batman styled after batman:tas. with the huge over exagerated shadows and the big white eyes. it could be EPIC!:brucebat:

[Evil Twin]

I put the over/under for the next Batman film after Nolan at 4 years.

There's half a dozen directors in Hollywood that are every bit as talented as Nolan and who could bring something new to the table. Del Toro, Cuaron, Fincher, Aronofsky, Greengrass, Snyder (ok, not as talented as Nolan pending WATCHMEN), the Wachowskis, Raimi, and probably a score more that would jump at the chance to direct a Batman movie.

There's going to be over 70 years of source material available for mining when Nolan is done. There's no evidence that Nolan will touch The Riddler, The Penguin, Talia, The Mad Hatter, Hugo Strange, Man-Bat, Boss Thorne, The Mad Monk, Deadshot, The Wrath, Clayface, Black Mask, Bane, or any of a number of villains that can support a wide variety of tones, "realistic" vs. fantastic, psychological vs. action packed. I could very easily see adaptations of Matt Wagner's Dark Moon Rising. Or any number of early arcs from Legends of the Dark Knight.

Nolan's a fine director, but I swear he's on an unrealistic pedestal that's not shared by the general public.

[Ammo]

I don't know about directors, but as far as writers go, I would LOVE to see Paul Dini get a shot at writing the next trilogy. I don't think there's been a writer in the past 20 years whose had as good of a pulse on Batman as Dini has.

I'd love to see him with a live action, PG-13 canvas to work with. The scripts for a kids show were brilliant.

[lujho]

I would love to see Batman move to live action TV after these films. I honestly think that's the best canvas to tell his story right, because you don't have to leave so much out.

Imagine a Batman show of the quality of a HBO show or Battlestar Galactica.

[Keymaker]

I would love to see Batman move to live action TV after these films. I honestly think that's the best canvas to tell his story right, because you don't have to leave so much out.

Imagine a Batman show of the quality of a HBO show or Battlestar Galactica.
I imagine Adam West :csad:

[Nepenthes]

I would love to see Batman move to live action TV after these films. I honestly think that's the best canvas to tell his story right, because you don't have to leave so much out.

Imagine a Batman show of the quality of a HBO show or Battlestar Galactica.

A Gotham Central would be cheaper and easier to produce than a straight up Batman show. You could interweave so many Bat-family and villains without it becoming too unwieldy or "superhero-ish", which is okay for us of course but kinda limits the scope of a show in general. Get The Sheild and The Wire crowd in along with the Heroes set. It would also be closest to what Nolans already established, a somewhat real world setting, which means you can have the occasional moments of balls-out weirdness that will really stand out.

[CaptainClown]

A Gotham Central would be cheaper and easier to produce than a straight up Batman show. You could interweave so many Bat-family and villains without it becoming too unwieldy or "superhero-ish", which is okay for us of course but kinda limits the scope of a show in general. Get The Sheild and The Wire crowd in along with the Heroes set. It would also be closest to what Nolans already established, a somewhat real world setting, which means you can have the occasional moments of balls-out weirdness that will really stand out.
Yup more or less that would be a good series, but like Gotham Central it would lose many of its fans because they don't like stuff like that.

[nolan's roll'n]

After Nolan is done with his trilogy let Micheal Mann or David Fincher take over for a trilogy.

[Sawyer]

After Nolan is done with his trilogy let Micheal Mann or David Fincher take over for a trilogy.

Or let Frank Miller do The Dark Knight Returns.

Either of which I'd be fine with.

[christpunchers]

What is there left to tell in the 3rd movie? I mean there has to be something REALLY worthwhile for a 3rd film if Nolan is to return, otherwise, put BB3 on the backburner.

[Riven]

I see what you mean. I think it is really a matter of waiting until a great script emerges, and not greenlighting anything without one. That may lead to a Batmovie every three years or every ten, but they would all have merit.
Exactly. And it's quite baffling that something as logical as that, should be a rarity in the movie biz...

Today it's "greenlight first, think later". And then they're surprised that some movies have already spent $100 million in pre-production without having even delivered a viable script. :whatever:

Take the green screen route that many comic book films are taking these days (Watchmen, The Spirit) . It would be less expensive, and it would be something we've never seen in a Batman film.
No way. I'm not one of those hardcore "Nolan realism" fans, but going from one extreme (doing everything as practically and "real" as possible) to the polar opposite (CGI'ing everything) would be a very bad idea.

Besides, we've never seen a "green screen" movie yet that portrayed events in a large-scale setting that didn't look either incredibly fake and soulless or at least strangely otherworldly.


There's half a dozen directors in Hollywood that are every bit as talented as Nolan and who could bring something new to the table. Del Toro, Cuaron, Fincher, Aronofsky, Greengrass, Snyder (ok, not as talented as Nolan pending WATCHMEN), the Wachowskis, Raimi, and probably a score more that would jump at the chance to direct a Batman movie.
There's no evidence any of those would jump at a chance to do a Batman film and even if they did, I'd still want to see a solid script first and so would they. I have my little "dream director" list for future Batman movies too (Fincher, Mann, Del Toro), but that doesn't mean they should just hand another story arc of Bat-movies to any of them for the heck of it and hope they do something interesting with it...

Nolan's a fine director, but I swear he's on an unrealistic pedestal that's not shared by the general public.
The general public? The general public doesn't know any directors besides Steven Spielberg and "that Indian dude who directed The Sixth Sense"... I think it's safe to say that among film fans (i.e. not just comicbook movie fans), Nolan has a lot of credibility, as much as any of those other directors you mentioned or more.

:o