The Lightning Saga, JLA/JSA Crossover

[Kebab gud]

With the big JLA/JSA/LOSH Crossover coming in just 2 weeks time i thought I'd make a thread where we could talk about it..

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[Harlekin]

The only reason I'm buying this is for the JSA.

[sethcohen]

same here... im so not happy with the JLA roster... id be a much happier man if they had put MM on the team...

[GoldenAgeHero]

same here... im so not happy with the JLA roster... id be a much happier man if they had put MM on the team...


even if it had MM it'll still suck. black lighting,geo-force,hawkgirl and vixen are too crappy that even the likes of MM can't outweigh that.

[Tropico]

Yay! Another Kebab pointless thread just so he can make a thread!!!!:D:up:

[Kebab gud]

Yay! Another Kebab pointless thread just so he can make a thread!!!!:D:up:

whats pointless about this? ... its a big crossover..

[SouLeSS]

How can a series be epic with only 5 issues?

[Steelsheen]

its Meltzer and Johns. how can you go wrong? :D

The only reason I'm buying this is for the JSA.

i'm getting it for the JLA.

[Kebab gud]

im getting this because i bet it has Black Canary and Power Girl in a catfight...


yes yes i know... but one can dream!

[SouLeSS]

Mmmm, real world women, it's so good.

[hippie_hunter]

Ugh. Just f**king ugh! They are putting f**king Geo-Force on the Justice League. Put him on the Outsiders where he belongs, not the f**king Justice League. Same goes for Black Lightning. Replace Red Arrow with Green Arrow. Just simply get rid of Hawkgirl and Vixen!

It's understandable why Aquaman is not on the team, but how about putting some Martian Manhunter, Zatanna, Firestorm, and Flash on that team also.

[Not Jake]

I like how dumb the name is.


THE LIGHTNING SAGA

cue flash of lighting and booming thunder

[Jono87]

Ugh. Just f**king ugh! They are putting f**king Geo-Force on the Justice League. Put him on the Outsiders where he belongs, not the f**king Justice League. Same goes for Black Lightning. Replace Red Arrow with Green Arrow. Just simply get rid of Hawkgirl and Vixen!

It's understandable why Aquaman is not on the team, but how about putting some Martian Manhunter, Zatanna, Firestorm, and Flash on that team also.

I'm perturbed by the presence of the little fishes as well, and by the absence of a speedster as well.

Without touching on the others, (because I really dont have an clue) Zatanna probably doesnt have a place for the same reason as Dr. light. That reason being purely symbolic. You cant claim to be a new league, while keeping the member who is primarily responsible for the actions that directly contributed to the destruction of its previous iteration. It was Zatanna's mindwipes that really threw the ****e to the fan Pre-IC. If they had brought her back, the public, and overall meta community probably wouldn't have taken it well. Though it wouldnt be the intention, some would take it as them conveying a sense of "business as usual," and possibly "mindwipes are here to stay." By keeping her out, they are essentially saying that they are back to holding the high ground, and being a league that the entire world can embrace and cheer again. Though it is one hell of a power loss, the overall gain is important enough to merit the decision.

[BrianWilly]

They did ask her to join, but she herself declined.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm perturbed by the presence of the little fishes as well, and by the absence of a speedster as well.

Without touching on the others, (because I really dont have an clue) Zatanna probably doesnt have a place for the same reason as Dr. light. That reason being purely symbolic. You cant claim to be a new league, while keeping the member who is primarily responsible for the actions that directly contributed to the destruction of its previous iteration. It was Zatanna's mindwipes that really threw the ****e to the fan Pre-IC. If they had brought her back, the public, and overall meta community probably wouldn't have taken it well. Though it wouldnt be the intention, some would take it as them conveying a sense of "business as usual," and possibly "mindwipes are here to stay." By keeping her out, they are essentially saying that they are back to holding the high ground, and being a league that the entire world can embrace and cheer again. Though it is one hell of a power loss, the overall gain is important enough to merit the decision.

I haven't read issue 7 yet, but I think they invited her to join, but she turned them down.

[Jono87]

They did ask her to join, but she herself declined.
When was this?

[BrianWilly]

First page of issue #7.

[CConn]

Who gives a damn who's on JLA as long as Meltzer's writing keeps sucking. :o

[Darthphere]

Geo Force is awesome. Fact.

[The Batman]

Man, is Geo force lame

the only thing that'll save this crossover are the jsa issues....because the jla issues will probably have little to no action in it...

[Darthphere]

Geo Force rocks the house son, you'll all regret your words.

In other news, damn Jimenez sucks ass. Holy ****.

[jaydawg]

I'm perturbed by the presence of the little fishes as well, and by the absence of a speedster as well.

Without touching on the others, (because I really dont have an clue) Zatanna probably doesnt have a place for the same reason as Dr. light. That reason being purely symbolic. You cant claim to be a new league, while keeping the member who is primarily responsible for the actions that directly contributed to the destruction of its previous iteration. It was Zatanna's mindwipes that really threw the ****e to the fan Pre-IC. If they had brought her back, the public, and overall meta community probably wouldn't have taken it well. Though it wouldnt be the intention, some would take it as them conveying a sense of "business as usual," and possibly "mindwipes are here to stay." By keeping her out, they are essentially saying that they are back to holding the high ground, and being a league that the entire world can embrace and cheer again. Though it is one hell of a power loss, the overall gain is important enough to merit the decision.
See that arguement would make sense if Hal "remake the whole ****ing universe" Jordan wasnt on the team.

[Anubis]

Whiny b***hes the lot of you. :mad:

JLA rocks!

Black Lightening ROCKS!

Geo Force ROCKS!

Vixen Rocks!

My proof of this? GAH agrees with you. Therefore, your opinion is wrong. :o

[Tropico]

whats pointless about this? ... its a big crossover..

Which will inevitably be discussed in their own threads. You just did this thread because...

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[Darthphere]

Whiny b***hes the lot of you. :mad:

JLA rocks!

Black Lightening ROCKS!

Geo Force ROCKS!

Vixen Rocks!

My proof of this? GAH agrees with you. Therefore, your opinion is wrong. :o

This makes sense to me, a lot.

[Anubis]

Nice ass Kebab.

[Kevin]

I'm down for the crossover. I like both books very much. (One better than the other, but both are liked.)

[hippie_hunter]

Whiny b***hes the lot of you. :mad:

JLA rocks!

Black Lightening ROCKS!

Geo Force ROCKS!
They're cool characters but they are not worthy of the Justice League.

When I read Justice League I want the big names: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Hawkman, and Black Canary. The Martian Manhunter and Red Tornado are musts. Seeing characters like Zatanna, Firestorm, the Atom, and Plastic Man are cool too.

As I said, Black Lightning and Geo-Force rock, but they are not Justice Leaguers. Put them where they belong: on the Outsiders.

Vixen Rocks!
Vixen was always a lame character.

My proof of this? GAH agrees with you. Therefore, your opinion is wrong. :o
You have a point there :o

[BrianWilly]

Characters like Zatanna, Firestorm, the Atom, and Plastic Man were hardly "worthy" enough names for the Justice League until they actually were on the Justice League. As it is today, they barely have a presence outside of the League anyway. What makes them so fitting for the League where Geo-Force and Black Lightning aren't?

[GNR]

Whiny b***hes the lot of you. :mad:

JLA rocks!

Black Lightening ROCKS!

Geo Force ROCKS!

Vixen Rocks!

My proof of this? GAH agrees with you. Therefore, your opinion is wrong. :o

Anubis knows.I love the JLA lineup.Good looking team.

I don't have a clue who all these Legion people who are supposed to be dead and from the future are,but I've been enjoying the output of both writers and I think both JLA and JSA have been different yet entertaining books.

[GNR]

They're cool characters but they are not worthy of the Justice League.

When I read Justice League I want the big names: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Hawkman, and Black Canary. The Martian Manhunter and Red Tornado are musts. Seeing characters like Zatanna, Firestorm, the Atom, and Plastic Man are cool too.

As I said, Black Lightning and Geo-Force rock, but they are not Justice Leaguers. Put them where they belong: on the Outsiders.


Vixen was always a lame character.


You have a point there :o

So read Grant's stuff.

[hippie_hunter]

Characters like Zatanna, Firestorm, the Atom, and Plastic Man were hardly "worthy" enough names for the Justice League until they actually were on the Justice League. As it is today, they barely have a presence outside of the League anyway. What makes them so fitting for the League where Geo-Force and Black Lightning aren't?

I like them because those characters, especially Zatanna and Firestorm added a lot of power to the team. Also they were somewhat established on their own.

Black Lightning and Geo-Force became established because of the Outsiders. And they really aren't that powerful.

The only reason why I'm not calling this incarnation of the League weaker than the Detroit incarnation, is because at least this incarnation has Superman and Wonder Woman.

I also admit that I am rather partial to the Satelite Era of the roster.

[hippie_hunter]

So read Grant's stuff.

The League was created to showcase the big names reuniting. This concept has been around since it was created.

[Assassin]

This makes sense to me, a lot.

indeed :heart:

[Harlekin]

Black Lightning and Geo-Force became established because of the Outsiders. And they really aren't that powerful.

Then you've obviously never read what Geo-Force and Black Lightning can do. Geo-Force is up there (although I don't know how that works with his crappy new powers) in strength alongside Superman and Wonder Woman. His control of lava and the earth is also incredibly versatile and useful. Black Lightning's got some amazing control over his powers and is an overall badass. They should just give him his hair back and ditch the goggles though.

[BrianWilly]

I still don't understand what the problem is. You don't think they're popular enough or you don't think they're powerful enough or what? Firestorm isn't that popular, and Zatanna hasn't appeared in a book for months. Black Canary and Red Arrow aren't very powerful at all and aren't very mainstream characters. Geo-Force and Vixen and Black Lightning are certainly more powerful than Hawkgirl, and I haven't heard a single complaint about her. There just doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason behind these claims.

[Kebab gud]

Nice ass Kebab.
thanks .. i work out

Tropico: i made this thread so that we dont end up disscussing the same fu**ing points in both threds..

[Kebab gud]

Black Canary and Red Arrow aren't very powerful at all and aren't very mainstream characters.
Black Canary can take down WonderWoman ... and Red Arrow is a myth! (yes im in denial)

never underestimate the Canary Cry

[Assassin]

If it comes out in 2 weeks, make the thread in 2 weeks, why now when we dont know any information?

[Kevin]

thanks .. i work out

Tropico: i made this thread so that we dont end up disscussing the same fu**ing points in both threds..
Dude, don't stress it. Thank you for making the thread because, yes, it does make sense.

[BrianWilly]

I don't remember Black Canary ever taking down Wonder Woman. Unless you're talking about the sparring match when both of them knew Diana wasn't using even a tenth of full strength and how she was intentionally holding back so that Dinah would have an punching bag to vent about Ollie on.

[Kebab gud]

I don't remember Black Canary ever taking down Wonder Woman. Unless you're talking about the sparring match when both of them knew Diana wasn't using even a tenth of full strength and how she was intentionally holding back so that Dinah would have an punching bag to vent about Ollie on.
yes.. and dinah says that she can do Diana some serius damage if she uses the full blast of the canary cry..
but! thats the only way she can take down any really powerfull meta
and diana would soooo se it coming and just zip zop punch dinah to pluto

[TheCorpulent1]

I still don't understand what the problem is. You don't think they're popular enough or you don't think they're powerful enough or what? Firestorm isn't that popular, and Zatanna hasn't appeared in a book for months. Black Canary and Red Arrow aren't very powerful at all and aren't very mainstream characters. Geo-Force and Vixen and Black Lightning are certainly more powerful than Hawkgirl, and I haven't heard a single complaint about her. There just doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason behind these claims.
If I were still reading Justice League, I'd be complaining about her. God, I hate Hawkgirl. What a useless waste of space. I'm sure they're gonna shoehorn in some obligatory angst between her and Carter in this crossover, too, because Lord knows we haven't seen nearly enough angst between those two in all of the last seven minutes. :o

I just read the Meltzer interview on Newsarama (here (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=107787), if you don't know what I'm talking about), and pretty much the only thing I liked out of everything he said was Black Canary as leader. It'd be a lot more fitting if Black Canary were still a founder of the team instead of Wonder Woman, but the fact that Black Canary is the leader is still good. The dual bases idea was nice on JLU, given that the team had about a thousand members on there, but I don't see how it's supposed to make sense here. What, are they gonna have five members on the satellite and five in the Hall of Justice? Also, the doors are a clear rip-off of the Authority. Anyway, I'm glad they at least went with the JLU design for the satellite rather than a return to that floating ball design.

Also, "Red Arrow" is now and always will be incontrovertibly, utterly retarded. Way to crawl right back under Ollie's shadow, Roy. It'd really suck if you'd worked the last ten years to eke out your own name for yourself, huh? Oh, wait... :o

[Steelsheen]

and diana would soooo se it coming and just zip zop punch dinah to pluto

LOL! now that would be something to see ;)

[Harlekin]

I just read the Meltzer interview on Newsarama (here (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=107787), if you don't know what I'm talking about), and pretty much the only thing I liked out of everything he said was Black Canary as leader. It'd be a lot more fitting if Black Canary were still a founder of the team instead of Wonder Woman, but the fact that Black Canary is the leader is still good.
Same here. Y'know what I would've found even more fitting? Black Canary not leaving the Birds of Prey. I really hope they've got a good excuse as to why she up and formed the new JLA even though she went into semi-retirement there.

[Darthphere]

They're cool characters but they are not worthy of the Justice League.

When I read Justice League I want the big names: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Hawkman, and Black Canary. The Martian Manhunter and Red Tornado are musts. Seeing characters like Zatanna, Firestorm, the Atom, and Plastic Man are cool too.

As I said, Black Lightning and Geo-Force rock, but they are not Justice Leaguers. Put them where they belong: on the Outsiders.

So pretty much you want the same League we've had for the last 50 years in some shape or form. Boooring.

[Kebab gud]

Same here. Y'know what I would've found even more fitting? Black Canary not leaving the Birds of Prey. I really hope they've got a good excuse as to why she up and formed the new JLA even though she went into semi-retirement there.

if you red BOP #104 you see Babs talking about that .. she belived dinah just needed a change of scenery

[Harlekin]

if you red BOP #104 you see Babs talking about that .. she belived dinah just needed a change of scenery
Which just makes Dinah a ***** for leaving the BoP as she did, and I don't really want to think that of her.

[Darthphere]

Which just makes Dinah a ***** for leaving the BoP as she did, and I don't really want to think that of her.

I think its better explained that she wanted to go out and be a superhero again and not be some covert ops women's super team.:huh:

[Anubis]

Which translates to change of scenery.

[BrianWilly]

I thought she wanted to have more time for, uh, Sin or something.

[Darthphere]

I'm sure Simone was told to leave her departure pretty vague in the reasoning department.

[Kebab gud]

I thought she wanted to have more time for, uh, Sin or something.

Sin is going to be Ollie's problem from now on :P

[Darthphere]

I really wish your hands would be cut off.

[HandOfFate]

Characters like Zatanna, Firestorm, the Atom, and Plastic Man were hardly "worthy" enough names for the Justice League until they actually were on the Justice League. As it is today, they barely have a presence outside of the League anyway. What makes them so fitting for the League where Geo-Force and Black Lightning aren't?


True.

I'm sure Zatanna, Firestorm, the Atom and Plastic Man all got a lot of negative comments before they became fan favorite.

I like the team, so I say wait and see.:yay:

[Purple Man]

I can't wait for someone to start a can't wait list so I'm going to start now.

I can't wait to see each teams respective Green Lantern together in the same room.

Red Arrow and Hawkman with Hawkgirl in the middle, you know that's going to be a hell of a scene.

How the other team reacts to each teams chairperson (Canary and Power Girl)

Cyclones geekgasm at seeing both teams together.

Starman!

[The Leaguer]

So pretty much you want the same League we've had for the last 50 years in some shape or form. Boooring.

Only a retard would think that's boring.

Anyway, that the concept alone of that League is five million times more interesting than first seven issues of the current book.

[hippie_hunter]

So pretty much you want the same League we've had for the last 50 years in some shape or form. Boooring.

Damn right I do :cmad: and as Leaguer said, only a retard would find a team of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, the Flash, Aquaman, and the Martian Manhunter to be boring.

Only a retard would think that's boring.

Anyway, that the concept alone of that League is five million times more interesting than first seven issues of the current book.

Actually issue 7 kicked ass. The rest though, left me disappointed.

[The Batman]

Yup...Issue 7 is pretty much the only issue thusfar that didnt disappoint me in any way, shape or form....

But it still had Geo Force in it....so i guess it disappointed me a little...

[The Leaguer]

7 was very disappointing.

[The Batman]

7 was very disappointing.

How so?

[Darthphere]

Only a retard would think that's boring.

Anyway, that the concept alone of that League is five million times more interesting than first seven issues of the current book.

Not really, I like things to change. Without change we wouldnt have JLI, so no, only a retard cant accept change.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Not really, I like things to change. Without change we wouldnt have JLI, so no, only a retard cant accept change.


guess you like the new punisher.

[Darthphere]

guess you like the new punisher.

Never speak of that again!:cmad:

My eyes are bleeding, no!!!

Anyway, look for Doc's sig, that explains the rational perfectly.

[SouLeSS]

WTF your avatar made me want to go out and buy BB13, which I did, yesterday. Along with Ion11 which I was, for some reason, missing.

Gotta tell you, I'm glad I picked it up cause it restored my faith in the book.

But ok, why do the writers keep mentioning LSH with this crossover? Or uh, whatever it's called. I keep seeing "JLA/JSA/LSH crossover". They gonna start putting out a LSH book that I gotta pick up for this thing or no?

[Darthphere]

WTF your avatar made me want to go out and buy BB13, which I did, yesterday. Along with Ion11 which I was, for some reason, missing.

Gotta tell you, I'm glad I picked it up cause it restored my faith in the book.

But ok, why do the writers keep mentioning LSH with this crossover? Or uh, whatever it's called. I keep seeing "JLA/JSA/LSH crossover". They gonna start putting out a LSH book that I gotta pick up for this thing or no?

The Legion of Superheroes is a big part of the crossover, but you dont have to buy the book or anything.

And awesome dude, glad you bought Blue Beetle.

[The Leaguer]

How so?

Black Canary as leader, Geo-Force's presence, the unimpressive headquarters and, most of all, R-R-R-Red Arrow.

Not really, I like things to change. Without change we wouldnt have JLI, so no, only a retard cant accept change.

JLI is hardly impressive. Change is fine, s***ty change is not. Case in point, what we have now. They cancelled the Morrison/Waid/Kelly series for this garbage. Only a retard likes change like that.

[Darthphere]

Black Canary as leader, Geo-Force's presence, the unimpressive headquarters and, most of all, R-R-R-Red Arrow.



JLI is hardly impressive. Change is fine, s***ty change is not. Case in point, what we have now. They cancelled the Morrison/Waid/Kelly series for this garbage. Only a retard likes change like that.

The slap me around and call me a retard, because I like the new JLA book, its not as good as Morrison's run, but what really is?

[The Leaguer]

Nothing, but that doesn't mean you should like s***.

[Darthphere]

Nothing, but that doesn't mean you should like s***.

In my humblest of opinion, I dont think the new JLA is ****. There are definite rooms for improvement but its not ****.

Meltzer really should stick to writing a Roy solo title or something.

[GoldenAgeHero]

no its crap. you can't possibly like this more then JSA

[Darthphere]

no its crap. you can't possibly like this more then JSA

I never said I did.:huh:

JSA is easily a 10/10 while JLA is a 6-7/10.

[The Leaguer]

In my humblest of opinion, I dont think the new JLA is ****. There are definite rooms for improvement but its not ****.

Meltzer really should stick to writing a Roy solo title or something.

No, Meltzer should stay far away from Roy. As the fantastic Newsarama review pointed out, what Meltzer did with Roy makes no sense. The entire point of the story was Roy coming into his own and separating himself from Ollie's shadow, and Meltzer accomplishes that by making him a carbon-copy of Ollie?

Everything about the series needs improvement, except some of the characterizations, particularly Red Tornado's, even though I don't want him there in the first place. The line-up is terrible. I got sick of Black Canary in Birds of Prey, seeing her leading the JLA is not pleasing. Geo-Force, Vixen and Hawkgirl range from boring to out-right crappy. Hal Jordan? Please. Black Lightning is pretty interesting, I'll give Meltzer that, but beyond him and the Big 3, none of them should be there.

The plot was incredibly slow. Red Tornado's story didn't even go anywhere. As a character study in general it was pretty good, but for 6 issues? That's insane. Johns' rogue profiles were only one issue. It took seven issues for everything to come together and for the team to be formed and the Big 3 spent half of that in the Batcave.

And where the hell is Martian Manhunter?

[Darthphere]

No, Meltzer should stay far away from Roy. As the fantastic Newsarama review pointed out, what Meltzer did with Roy makes no sense. The entire point of the story was Roy coming into his own and separating himself from Ollie's shadow, and Meltzer accomplishes that by making him a carbon-copy of Ollie?

Thats over simplifying the whole thing but I'll just let you vent.

And where the hell is Martian Manhunter?

Casualty of OYL. It wouldn't make sense to have him on the League considering all the I hate the world I'm emo **** they did to him.

[Kebab gud]

J'onn has a new friend.. so they are going to start a Emo band..
"Martian Emo"

[The Leaguer]

It's not oversimplyfing at all. It's exactly what happened. He's now a carbon copy of Ollie. He was a womanizer and "renegade" before, now he looks exactly like Ollie and has taken his place. He's even using Ollie's catch-phrases. All that's left is to make him a bleeding heart.

I know what literally happened to Manhunter, but this was an ideal time to bring him back around to his normal optimistic state. Meltzer could have replaced this circular, go-nowhere Red Tornado story with a Manhunter arc and all would have been better.

[Darthphere]

It's not oversimplyfing at all. It's exactly what happened. He's now a carbon copy of Ollie. He was a womanizer and "renegade" before, now he looks exactly like Ollie and has taken his place. He's even using Ollie's catch-phrases. All that's left is to make him a bleeding heart.

I know what literally happened to Manhunter, but this was an ideal time to bring him back around to his normal optimistic state. Meltzer could have replaced this circular, go-nowhere Red Tornado story with a Manhunter arc and all would have been better.

But he didn't, mostly, because I'm pretty sure it was said somewhere they had plans for him somewhere else.

Meh about the Roy thing, you can keep talking.

[The Leaguer]

I'll keep being right. Those plans should have been to put him on the League.

[Kebab gud]

It's not oversimplyfing at all. It's exactly what happened. He's now a carbon copy of Ollie. He was a womanizer and "renegade" before, now he looks exactly like Ollie and has taken his place. He's even using Ollie's catch-phrases. All that's left is to make him a bleeding heart.


ohh there are alot more things they have in common!
Connor Hawke is 1/4 Asian, 1/4 African and 1/2 white!
Lian Harper is! 1/4 Asian, 1/4 French and 1/2 Irish

HA! (i belive Cheshire is still 1/2 french)

[Darthphere]

I'll keep being right. Those plans should have been to put him on the League.

Perhaps, but other than that you have the fact that Meltzer said he can't write MM, I don't understand the logic behind his statement, but he said it.

Look on the bright side, he only has 5 issues left.:dry:

[The Leaguer]

Actually, I think Meltzer said he just didn't think Manhunter was a JLA requirement, but maybe he said he couldn't write him, either, in which case, that seems like it would be a pretty severe weakness as a writer.

I was as excited as anyone when it was announced that Meltzer would be writing JLA, but that excitement died off more and more details were revealed about the run. It's a shame that his run was so disappointing.

[Darthphere]

Meltzer got lost in his own fanboy world, and were just living in it.

[The Leaguer]

Normally, getting lost in their own world isn't necessarily a bad thing. Morrison does it all the time with good-to-great results. The problem is when that world sucks, which is where Meltzer went wrong with JLA and Johns went wrong around Infinite Crisis.

[TheCorpulent1]

Meh about the Roy thing, you can keep talking.
Leaguer, Newsarama, and I have all already decried the fact that Meltzer neatly tucked Roy right back into Ollie's shadow. You're screwing up the ASSHAT motto of being right about everything all the time. :cmad:

[Darthphere]

Leaguer, Newsarama, and I have all already decried the fact that Meltzer neatly tucked Roy right back into Ollie's shadow. You're screwing up the ASSHAT motto of being right about everything all the time. :cmad:

And Black Canary is about to become Ollie's ***** again, welcome to the new DCU where everything old is new again.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm not too happy about that, either. Apparently strong women aren't really allowed to leave their relationships for good because that would ruin the fairy tale romance where he sleeps with everything that moves behind her back and she keeps coming back for more. :o

[Kebab gud]

And Black Canary is about to become Ollie's ***** again, welcome to the new DCU where everything old is new again.
ohh no.. if anything Ollie is becoming Dinah's ***** :P if not then the writer of their series is going to get a bullit in the head from Gail :P

[Darthphere]

Yeah, I'm not too happy about that, either. Apparently strong women aren't really allowed to leave their relationships for good because that would ruin the fairy tale romance where he sleeps with everything that moves behind her back and she keeps coming back for more. :o

You know how it is. Get used to it.

ohh no.. if anything Ollie is becoming Dinah's ***** :P if not then the writer of their series is going to get a bullit in the head from Gail :P

Keep believing that.

[TheCorpulent1]

They'll be equals, natch, because Dinah will forgive Ollie for his past infidelities and Ollie will forgive Dinah for... um... rolling over and taking them like a good little abused girlfriend.

[hippie_hunter]

No, Meltzer should stay far away from Roy. As the fantastic Newsarama review pointed out, what Meltzer did with Roy makes no sense. The entire point of the story was Roy coming into his own and separating himself from Ollie's shadow, and Meltzer accomplishes that by making him a carbon-copy of Ollie?
I can accept the Red Arrow thing, but there is no way in hell that I want him on the Justice League. If they make Roy his own man again, the Red Arrow motiff can be cool. But Green Arrow on the Justice League dammit!

Everything about the series needs improvement, except some of the characterizations, particularly Red Tornado's, even though I don't want him there in the first place. The line-up is terrible. I got sick of Black Canary in Birds of Prey, seeing her leading the JLA is not pleasing. Geo-Force, Vixen and Hawkgirl range from boring to out-right crappy. Hal Jordan? Please. Black Lightning is pretty interesting, I'll give Meltzer that, but beyond him and the Big 3, none of them should be there.
Black Canary on the Justice League rocks, her being the chairperson doesn't. That should automatically go to Superman. The most well known and most powerful of the bunch.

You mention Hal Jordan because you have a complete blind hatred of him.

But yeah, Vixen and Hawkgirl are pretty crappy characters. Replace Hawkgirl with Hawkman! And if you want another female character, replace Vixen with an awesome female character: Zatanna!

The plot was incredibly slow. Red Tornado's story didn't even go anywhere. As a character study in general it was pretty good, but for 6 issues? That's insane. Johns' rogue profiles were only one issue. It took seven issues for everything to come together and for the team to be formed and the Big 3 spent half of that in the Batcave.
Agreed.

I found it to be a good story, but the horrible line-up and slow pacing just crapped it up.

Although, issue 7 kicked so much ass.

And where the hell is Martian Manhunter?
That's what I want to know, and I read the entire Martian Manhunter mini :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I like Vixen and I like the idea of Black Canary leading. Most powerful doesn't always equate to most capable leader for me. See: the Avengers in their heyday.

Outside of granting losers like Hawkgirl, Hal, and Red Tornado membership, Roy's crapification, and the snail's pacing of the series, Meltzer definitely dropped the ball by not even mentioning the Martian Manhunter. Whatever Meltzer's feelings on J'onn are and regardless of whether he knows how to write him or not, J'onn is absolutely, indisputably a major part of the League's history. The other main Justice Leaguers have all alluded to J'onn being the heart and soul of the League at some point, too. I can understand his not being on the team; Meltzer has the Red Tornado filling his traditional spot right now for his own personal preferences, and that's fine (except for the fact that the Red Tornado's lame, but that's another thing). But to write a massive arc about the recreation of the Justice League without even a mention of one of the most central characters to the League's legacy is a pretty egregious oversight. What, did he not have enough time in the last eight issues to include one mention of J'onn and why the characters don't consider him for the team?

[Darthphere]

I like Vixen and I like the idea of Black Canary leading. Most powerful doesn't always equate to most capable leader for me. See: the Avengers in their heyday.

Bingo bongo.

[The Leaguer]

You mention Hal Jordan because you have a complete blind hatred of him.

Well aren't you Sigmund god-damn Freud.

[hippie_hunter]

Think of it this way, having Hal on the Justice League is better than no Green Lantern at all. Especially since this team is already lacking the Martian Manhunter and a Flash.

[GoldenAgeHero]

not sure i agree with that. although i would kill to see kilowog on the league. but he never will.

[Eros]

Think of it this way, having Hal on the Justice League is better than no Green Lantern at all. Especially since this team is already lacking the Martian Manhunter and a Flash.


Flash and MM were both always an unnecassary Luxury on the JLA.

[jaydawg]

Then I guess Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman are too.

[Eros]

Then I guess Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman are too.


MM and Flash only become a luxury when superman,Batman, and Wonder woman are already in the League.

[hippie_hunter]

The Justice League needs the Big 7. No debate in that. Period.

[The Leaguer]

Think of it this way, having Hal on the Justice League is better than no Green Lantern at all. Especially since this team is already lacking the Martian Manhunter and a Flash.

No, ANYTHING is better than having Hal on the League.

[hippie_hunter]

No, ANYTHING is better than having Hal on the League.
Even having Vixen on the team is better than having Hal on the League? :dry:

At least Hal is a Green Lantern and was a founding member of the Leauge.

[SouLeSS]

not sure i agree with that. although i would kill to see kilowog on the league. but he never will.

He was such a badass in Ion 11, when the doctor comes in and he just stands in front of him and goes "We're friends...from far away..." then kicks him out. Tell you the truth he's one of the only reasons I still pick up GLC.

[TheCorpulent1]

Even having Vixen on the team is better than having Hal on the League? :dry:

At least Hal is a Green Lantern and was a founding member of the Leauge.
What's so wrong with Vixen? She's not as boring as Hal, at least. That's statistically impossible.

[hippie_hunter]

What's so wrong with Vixen? She's not as boring as Hal, at least. That's statistically impossible.

If you actually read the main Green Lantern title, you would see that Hal is not boring at all.

[The Leaguer]

Even having Vixen on the team is better than having Hal on the League? :dry:

At least Hal is a Green Lantern and was a founding member of the Leauge.

What the f*** kind of question is that? Of course Vixen is better than Hal. What part of "anything" don't you understand?

If you actually read the main Green Lantern title, you would see that Hal is not boring at all.

Hahaha, good joke, no one could ever actually read the Green Lantern title, because it's so boring it would kill you.

[Varient]

scary.
Just scary.

[Varient]

True.

I'm sure Zatanna, Firestorm, the Atom and Plastic Man all got a lot of negative comments before they became fan favorite.

I like the team, so I say wait and see.:yay:
Yup.

The original Firestorm got heat and whining on Joining the JLA,.. Plastic Man? The Elongated man fans whined about that for a bit,..

I really wish folk would try the 8 to 10 issue test before whining.

Geoforce once whooped Superman, Vixen was very good in Birds of Prey,... And Black Lightning was great in his last limited series,...

(trip):dry:

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't have any problems with the roster beyond Hal's being there at all and Red Tornado's effectively replacing the Martian Manhunter. The pacing and style of the book are just not what I'm looking for from the JLA. JSA is what I want from my team books. I can understand a short arc to set up the JLA's return, but 8 issues? I miss the balls-to-the-wall craziness of the previous JLA series.

[SouLeSS]

He should probably go back and read the first arc of Morrisons run. First issue was like "BAM ACTION" and basically gave you the main cast of the JLA without any real introduction. Pretty good opening arc if you ask me. I re-read the opening Tornado Arc of v4 and it's just kinda meh. Theres a LOT of dead space and panels in it.

[CaptainCanada]

The Justice League needs the Big 7. No debate in that. Period.
No, it doesn't. Certainly not all at once (Aquaman especially). Varying lineups keep things fresh, although Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman should be kept on to ensure the League is always #1.

[The Leaguer]

You can have varying line-ups while keeping the big 7. Morrison's line-up hovered around 14 for nearly the entire run.

[CaptainCanada]

I personally prefer teams to have 5-7 members (also, if a writer has no stories for a particular character, it's silly to compel them to keep said character around).

[Purple Man]

If you actually read the main Green Lantern title, you would see that Hal is not boring at all.

Seriously. Johns made him cool. Though I've never been a huge GL fan, I was always a Kyle boy myself. My first memory of a Green Lantern was a crazy Hal with all those rings on his fingers. Then a couple months later, it's Kyle Rayner.

Kinda scary to think that my first exposures to comics was during the nineties with things like Knightfall and the death of Superman.

[jaydawg]

The sad truth is John is more interesting than Hal. Fact.

[hippie_hunter]

I personally prefer teams to have 5-7 members (also, if a writer has no stories for a particular character, it's silly to compel them to keep said character around).

I like having big teams. As big as Meltzers team.

[Kevin]

Having Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman always on the team kinda bores me. Not completely, as I like Wonder Woman and batman, but i've always had a problem with mainstays.

[trustyside-kick]

The only real problem I have is Roy being Red Arrow. If DC wants to so badly hint in clues to Kingdom Come actually being the future for the DCU peeps...then they should have stories that slowly show how that happens. With Roy this happened all so suddenly...it makes no sense.

I haven't read anything with Vixen in it, but JLU and the Timmverse made me like her so I wouldn't mind seeing how she develops to be a valuable member of the team.

Hawkgirl? I can't really complain too much. While I didn't enjoy her being on JL and JLU in the Timmverse, the comics is a different story almost. But I also don't see the need for her.

Only reason seeing Hal bothers me is because I would rather see either a different Green Lantern or just a different member of the team. Never was a Green Lantern fan but at the same time this isn't a personal issue.

I'm cool with Black Lightning being on the team. It would be nice to see hwo he develops to be a valuable member as I said for Vixen.

I don't know anything about Geo Force to really say anything about him.

Black Canary on the team? Fine. But leading it? I'm not saying that only Superman can lead or something, but...Dinah? Why?

[hippie_hunter]

Having Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman always on the team kinda bores me. Not completely, as I like Wonder Woman and batman, but i've always had a problem with mainstays.

Dude having Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, the Flash, and Aquaman all in one book is like buying six comic books...for the price of one :wow:

[freemadison]

Black Canary on the team? Fine. But leading it? I'm not saying that only Superman can lead or something, but...Dinah? Why?

Well Ms. Marvel is leading the Mighty Avengers in an equally "who/what the **** cares" kind of moment...maybe it's a trend.

[trustyside-kick]

Edit.

[The Leaguer]

Seriously. Johns made him cool.

Hahaha, that make me laugh every time.

[Darthphere]

Dude having Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, the Flash, and Aquaman all in one book is like buying six comic books...for the price of one :wow:

No its not. Maybe back in the 70's, that was cool and all "Oh ****, this book has 20 characters, wow!" but its not true today.

[Miss Webb]

Batman's ears are too short and Alan Scott still looks silly in that outfit. Powergirl as a character is good but her depiction gets more and more annoying with each 'angle boob up close' shot. Cripes, we get it...she has a big chest. So what. Show a tight shot of Superman's crotch or something, at least change up.

Other than that the art looks great (altho I don't know if that's just for the cover or not).

[Fledermaus]

At both his MySpace page and blog Brad Meltzer has posted the fully revealed version of Michael Turner's full cover to Justice League of America #8 which kicks off the JLA/JSA/Legion of Super-Heroes crossover (the guy with the high collar is Karate Kid - no, not Ralph Macchio - he still works as an editor at Marvel(*)).

Meltzer wrote:

"Seven days until JLA/JSA kicks off, so here's a peek at Michael Turner's actual cover. Also, just got the new covers for all the novel covers (publisher is redoing them all (from Tenth Justice to Zero Game) for when The Book of Fate comes out in paperback in 2 weeks). As I get the final images, I'll post them here next week as well.

Plus, wait till you see who's doing the intro for the JLA hardcover collecting The Tornado's Path..."

But back to that Karate Kid thing - while Karate Kid is a long-time member of the Legion of Super-Heroes in all its iterations over the years, this outfit is...retro. That is, the outfit isn't what the Karate Kid has been most recently seen wearing in Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes, but rather what he used to wear a reboot or two back. Circa the '70s, when he was drawn by Mike Grell or Dave Cockrum.

And someone who seemed to be Dream Girl was in Justice Society of America #4. Oh, and Starman over in JSA seems to be from the Legion's timeline as well, but...older...

Yeah, yeah - color us confused too.

The solicitation for the issue reads:

Written by Brad Meltzer; Art by Ed Benes and Sandra Hope; Cover by Michael Turner; Variant cover by Phil Jimenez

Beginning the long awaited, epic crossover between the new Justice League and the new Justice Society, uniting the combined writing talents of best-selling author Brad Meltzer and comics mega-star Geoff Johns for the ultimate team-up! "The Lightning Saga" 5-parter begins with the mystery of who Trident is, and how his identity crisis will change everything!

DC Universe | 32pg. | Color | $ 2.99 US

On Sale April 18, 2007
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/JusticeLeague/JLA8cvrTurner.jpg

Batman: I remember when Dick had a collar like that. sigh Those were the good old days.

[Darthphere]

Miyagi?

[CConn]

He looks like a gay Bruce Lee.

[Prognosticator]

The only reason I'm buying this is for the JSA.

The only reason I'm buying this is because I'm addicted to DC Comics :o

same here... im so not happy with the JLA roster... id be a much happier man if they had put MM on the team...

MM sucks the more I think about him. And now that he's not "alone", I don't feel sorry for him.

even if it had MM it'll still suck. black lighting,geo-force,hawkgirl and vixen are too crappy that even the likes of MM can't outweigh that.

Please send Zatanna to mindwipe any memories I have of 'Vixen's" existence!!!

Ugh. Just f**king ugh! They are putting f**king Geo-Force on the Justice League. Put him on the Outsiders where he belongs, not the f**king Justice League. Same goes for Black Lightning. Replace Red Arrow with Green Arrow. Just simply get rid of Hawkgirl and Vixen!

It's understandable why Aquaman is not on the team, but how about putting some Martian Manhunter, Zatanna, Firestorm, and Flash on that team also.

YES! ALL but MM :up:

See that arguement would make sense if Hal "remake the whole ****ing universe" Jordan wasnt on the team.

"DC pwned on that statement!" [:o] -Geoff Johns [/:o]

[TheCorpulent1]

Just saw the cover for #8. On top of Michael Turner sucking so much it makes me physically ill, we now get the Silver Age Karate Kid? Really? Who the **** wants that other than Meltzer? Bringing the Legion in is one thing. I'm fine with that. But they have to go back to the goddamn Silver Age versions too? And if the sheer lameness of the Silver Age versions weren't enough, those are also the versions of the characters who were up there at pre-CoIE Superman's level, which means Karate Kid will either be watered down to just another martial artist or he'll be so unstoppable that he'll become a deus ex machina. DC seems to be tripping over itself in its rush to **** everything up these days.

[Kebab gud]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/7p7/JLA-jsa.jpg

would be better if they HAD THE SAME BACKROUND! :P

[Prognosticator]

G*&D(#n Power Girl's tits are out of control!!?! :wow: :wow:




Is that a manip or is Turner losing his cheesecaking mind!?

[Kebab gud]

the rumor is that DC asked him to make them smaller,.... and he did ..
so thats the reviced version with SMALLER tits..

yes.. he is crazy

[TheCorpulent1]

No, Turner just sucks that much.
would be better if they HAD THE SAME BACKROUND! :P
I'm pretty sure the latter two are incomplete. I have a feeling each of the covers is going to have a Silver Age Legionnaire on it alongside a JLA'er and a JSA'er with that yellow, cloudy background. Which is beyond lame, but whatever.

[Darthphere]

Just saw the cover for #8. On top of Michael Turner sucking so much it makes me physically ill, we now get the Silver Age Karate Kid? Really? Who the **** wants that other than Meltzer? Bringing the Legion in is one thing. I'm fine with that. But they have to go back to the goddamn Silver Age versions too? And if the sheer lameness of the Silver Age versions weren't enough, those are also the versions of the characters who were up there at pre-CoIE Superman's level, which means Karate Kid will either be watered down to just another martial artist or he'll be so unstoppable that he'll become a deus ex machina. DC seems to be tripping over itself in its rush to **** everything up these days.

Multiverse dude.

[Kebab gud]

about PG's boobs... SOMEONE FOUND RAY PALMER!

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4936/powergirlrayut8.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Multiverse dude.
Lame, dude.

[Darthphere]

Lame, dude.

Truly, dude.

[Kebab gud]

Whooo, dude!

[Darthphere]

Kebab is so close to being the first person on my ignore list.

[Kebab gud]

i love you too...
but you make a point.. why am i posting .. this is WAY off topic..

[Prognosticator]

about PG's boobs... SOMEONE FOUND RAY PALMER!

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4936/powergirlrayut8.jpg

Now that's just Facking Funny!

[yenaled]

Doesn't anyone at DC support Mark Waid's Legion reboot?

[Prognosticator]

I think Didio does, but only if every Speedster can die in the process.....oh, and Nightwing. :dry:

[sethcohen]

He looks like a gay Bruce Lee.
maybe bruce lee looks like a straight karate kid?

[Fledermaus]

I hate to be late on the titty wagon, but why are Powergirl's breasts on her stomach?

[Darthphere]

God, I hope DC has some decency and makes him draw that **** over.

[sethcohen]

i hope DC has some decency and never hires him to draw again

[Kevin]

He looks like a gay Bruce Lee.
...yum...

[Kevin]

about PG's boobs... SOMEONE FOUND RAY PALMER!

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4936/powergirlrayut8.jpg
I f***ing can't stop smiling. :up:

[jaydawg]

I seriously can not understand why anyone hires Michael Turner. He's the Liefeld of today.

[Kevin]

Difference, I like Liefeld. Seriously, Turner's Women are too skinny and have those weird ass eyes. Plus, his men are always pretty. Not kool.

[Kebab gud]

I seriously can not understand why anyone hires Michael Turner. He's the Liefeld of today.
are you compairing PG's tits to Captain america's tits?

[Fledermaus]

At least Captain America's tits were in the right place.

[The Leaguer]

Someone please explain to me how Karate Kid's neck interacts with his head.

[jaydawg]

are you compairing PG's tits to Captain america's tits?

I'm comparing crappy art of the 90s to the crappy art of today.

[Kebab gud]

COME ONE!!
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/7b/180px-Liefeld_captain_america.jpg

imagien how he looks like from above! :P

[Fledermaus]

Christ on a cross that's the most god-awful thing I've seen today.

[yenaled]

That's ... the first time you've seen it? :dry:

[BrianWilly]

Everyone remembers their first time. Forever.

[Darthphere]

It was the summer of 69, and I had just bought my very first six string, from the five and dime.

[sethcohen]

It was the summer of 69, and I had just bought my very first six string, from the five and dime.
bet you played it 'til your fingers bled...

[Fledermaus]

That's ... the first time you've seen it? :dry:

No, but every time I see Captain America's voluptuous bossoms, my eyes bleed like it's the first time. Oh and, was the summer of 69

[yenaled]

I just saw the preview pages for this.

Someone tell me that one hit Batman does to Karate Kid is one lucky shot. Because if Batman beats up Karate Kid I just don't think I could ever forgive Meltzer.

Even a "just getting out of a mind-controlled coma and completely lost and confused" Karate Kid should be able to hand Batman his ass with no problem.

[Binker]

JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #8

Writer by Brad Meltzer
Art by Ed Benes and Sandra Hope
Cover A by Michael Turner
Cover B by Phil Jimenez
Edited by Eddie Berganza

PLOT:
Beginning the long awaited, epic crossover between the new Justice League and the new Justice Society, uniting the combined writing talents of best-selling author Brad Meltzer and comics mega-star Geoff Johns for the ultimate team-up! "The Lightning Saga" 5-parter begins with the mystery of who Trident is, and how his identity crisis will change everything!

REVIEW:
If there is one thing about the top two DCU teams of the Justice League of America and the Justice Society of America is their well known team ups. Granted, one was on one earth and one was on another with both having a Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, but the stories were really cool. Then when the universes merged into one following Crisis on Infinite Earths, the team-ups changed into the current team with the old team. So a while, the JLA/JSA team ups halted and many fans wanted to see those two again. Now witht he first arcs of both JLA & JSA done, the team up was promised and we got it.

With this issue, the second part of the JLA series and in turn the JSA series begins. Its pretty obivious that both titles of this team up will be collected in one trade paperback. As a second part to both, we are treated with scenes that are directly from the first arcs of both teams. And we're revealed to two, lets say three, continuity tweeks to our post-IC DCU. Now, I read this issue after I read an article about the changes in continuity by Kurt Busiek. Something I figured out on my own, but others didn't. For one thing, Stargirl meets Wonder Woman for the first time, which would mean either she is retcon from the JLA/JSA: Vice and Virtue or that storyline nevered happened now. Secondly, Superman knows about the Legion of Superheroes (who become players with the JLA/JSA team up as five of them are in this arc) which would mean his team up(s) with them happened when he was a teen or sometime after he started his Superman carear. And third, is that most of the JLA never knew about the Legion. Now I don't know if that was actually the case anyways, but I'll list that.

At first this was going to be a small review, but another thing that was seen in this issue was a somewhat connection between Starman and future Legion of Superheroes. The Starman in JSA, from alex Ross' well known Kingdom Come, is a character of mystery but we did get something here. Starman is revealed to be a grown up version of the Legion's Star Boy. The version of Star Boy that appeared in 1961 and lasted under the 2004 Legion of Superheroes reboot. Since he is from the, or a, Kingdom Come universe, the mystery of wheather he is connected to the new Star Boy or if he is proof of a new multiverse remains to be seen.

Overall, this was still a good issue. We got a start up for the team up here, so nothing beyond the teams meeting or, again, the setup. Black Canary and Power Girl are chairwomen of their teams, somethign I missed and not included in my reviews, was a great idea as it gave Power Girl an enlarged (no pun intended) role and Black Canary a connection to her monther in the JSA. There was some jokes like Wildcat, Red Arrow and Geo-Force (who is now part of the JLA, officially or not) trying to get the flag and not get caught by Hawkgirl. I can't wait to see part 2 as even the scene where the two teams are joined gave me joy.

RATING: 3.5/5

NOTE: Starting with comics/issues that are new arcs, my rating has and will change from a 10 scale to a 5 scale. Making it easy for me. But it applies to arcs that are beginning now. Already exisiting arcs will stay with the 10 scale until they are done.

Next Issue: Part 2 occurs in JSA #5, where the teams SPLIT into teams and goes to both Arkham Asylum and the Fortress of Solitude.

[MaskedManJRK]

I liked the beginning of this arc--espicially how Batman defeated Karate Kid. Even in the 31st. Century, a kick to the nards can bring a man down. :woot:

[Fledermaus]

I really liked the splash page meeting. Batman talking rare books with Powergirl while sipping tea? Awesome.

[Fledermaus]

I really liked the splash page meeting. Batman talking rare books with Powergirl while sipping tea? Awesome. SO f#cking awesome I posted it twice.

[Binker]

So awesome for me to post the image?

http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla82021wf9.jpg

[Assassin]

Great first issue :up:

[twylight]

I just saw the preview pages for this.

Someone tell me that one hit Batman does to Karate Kid is one lucky shot. Because if Batman beats up Karate Kid I just don't think I could ever forgive Meltzer.

Even a "just getting out of a mind-controlled coma and completely lost and confused" Karate Kid should be able to hand Batman his ass with no problem.

Okay, two things of goodness in this issue...Dinah beat Hal, Dinah and Hal are stupid for not noticing Mr. T's 'trick'. *Stupid Meltzer, GAWSH!*
And Dinah and Karen tellin' ya'll what it's all about!

Yen, I do agree, as a LOSH fan it was unforgivable what Meltzer did to Val. UN-FOR-GIV-ABLE! This is the dude that could mop the floor with a Legionnaire comparable to Superman. And let's not forget his lesson of 'control' in the newest incarnation *by far the best 'own' ever done in a comic books*

FLOWER YOU MELTZER! FLOWER YOU!

[Kebab gud]

First off.. Batman did NOT beat Val, Black Lightning did!
Secound, Val was dazed and disoriented after beeing a starro slave, jimmy olsen could have snuck up on him and taking him out.

Third: why was Stargirl all starstruck talking to WonderWoman? i know they have met before, that whould have been PERFECT place for Cyclone :P
Fourth: Looks like the good doctor didnt get the message the first time, it was just a fling! nothing more!

Fifth! i like numbers!




ok good issue, thou for beeing people who often work together they seemed kinda, strangers :P

[Binker]

Anyone check the splash page I posted?

[Eros]

Post it again.

[trustyside-kick]

If I do not collect the JLA issues, will I be completely lost reading only the JSA ones? Is it like "Part 1, JLA issue, Part 2 JSA issue, etc."?

[Kebab gud]

If I do not collect the JLA issues, will I be completely lost reading only the JSA ones? Is it like "Part 1, JLA issue, Part 2 JSA issue, etc."?

yes.. this is part1, part2 is in JSA #5, Part3 is in JLA #9 and so on..

[sethcohen]

i didnt even realize that the artist wasnt benes until my second read through...

[Kebab gud]

i didnt even realize that the artist wasnt benes until my second read through...

that odd, as it says shane davis on the cover and laste page..

[Motown Marvel]

the art in this was pretty bad....not so much the style, as much as the sequential storytelling which was HORRID!

[Binker]

Post it again.

http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla82021wf9.jpg

[sethcohen]

that odd, as it says shane davis on the cover and laste page..
its not that odd when you consider the fact that im a lazy bastard and didnt bother to read those until the second go... :woot:

[GoldenAgeHero]

what a crappy issue, written so amature-ish. and i agree with motown the sequential story telling was ****.

5/10

[Darthphere]

You don't even know what that is. :rolleyes:

[hippie_hunter]

what a crappy issue, written so amature-ish. and i agree with motown the sequential story telling was ****.

5/10

I can't wait to get a hold of it this weekend then :up:

[Darthphere]

The GAH seal of approval never fails.

[GoldenAgeHero]

nah, you and hippie just have gahtitis.

[Erzengel]

This has probably been discussed, but I noticed the lettering on Bruce's computer and translated what Starman said and what was at the end of the comic. :o

Lightning Lad

[Colossal Spoons]

I really liked the last issue of JLA. Starman is a ****in nutjob and I love it :D

[Darthphere]

This has probably been discussed, but I noticed the lettering on Bruce's computer and translated what Starman said and what was at the end of the comic. :o

Lightning Lad

One of us, one of us...

[Erzengel]

I was bored last night. :o

[HandOfFate]

I don't know if this is spoiler or not but just incase...


Was it Geo-Force or Vixen who stop Red Arrow from hitting the tree? The panel has both Geo-Force and Vixen responding in the exact same way and with the sudden change in Brion’s abilities it’s got me to wondering if he actually did stop Roy.

If you look at the following pictures, it looks like Geo-Force wasn’t sure himself.

With Vixen growing abilities it's got me to wonder if she subconsciously tapped into Brion waning gravity abilities, giving the illusion that Geo-Force stopped Roy.

Or I could be reading way too much into this.:)

[sethcohen]

I don't know if this is spoiler or not but just incase...


Was it Geo-Force or Vixen who stop Red Arrow from hitting the tree? The panel has both Geo-Force and Vixen responding in the exact same way and with the sudden change in Brion’s abilities it’s got me to wondering if he actually did stop Roy.

If you look at the following pictures, it looks like Geo-Force wasn’t sure himself.

With Vixen growing abilities it's got me to wonder if she subconsciously tapped into Brion waning gravity abilities, giving the illusion that Geo-Force stopped Roy.

Or I could be reading way too much into this.:)

i thought it was geo-force... so hes a member now? because i thought he declined membership, but now hes there? wtf???

[HandOfFate]

i thought it was geo-force... so hes a member now? because i thought he declined membership, but now hes there? wtf???

Apparently anybody can walk in and instantly become a member of the JLA.:woot:

[Memphis Slim]

I really liked the splash page meeting. Batman talking rare books with Powergirl while sipping tea? Awesome.


...while trying desperately not to keep staring at that hole in her shirt! :woot:

[sethcohen]

Apparently anybody can walk in and instantly become a member of the JLA.:woot:
wendy and marvin? :whatever:

[Varient]

Okay,...

Batman "survives" Karate Kid,.....

This was not really believable based on feats.

Roy Almost killed in the JLA version of the Danger Room,....

I thought the JLA had more on the ball.

Canary and PowerWoman doing the Cheesecake pose on the last page?


Best part of the book.

I'm sooooo shallow,... I require the story to be sequential in the telling,.. the characters to stay within canon and the action to warrant the teams being together in one spot.


That didn't happen here,.. or am I just getting too cynical?


I can take it,.... What am I missing here?
:word:

[Varient]

Whoa,... I agreed with GAH,...

What is up with that?

[TheCorpulent1]

Meltzer has invigorated DC’s heart—and he’s put a little updated cool in their step. Can anyone say they dislike Roy’s arrival and maturation in his role as the newly christened “Red Arrow”?

I lol'ed. :D

[The Leaguer]

Newsarama is a joke. They also liked Mighty Avengers.

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked Mighty Avengers. It's like a summer action movie--dumb but fun.

[The Leaguer]

You're f***ing retarded. Mighty Avengers sucked. They spent the last issue standing around watching Ultron be naked. And before anyone tries to be a smart ass and says that's what they'd do, too, shut the f*** up. It's Tony dressed like a woman, you freak.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that was a weak part of the issue, along with the odd characterizations of the Black Widow and the Sentry and Ms. Marvel's presence. But Ares was fun, Iron Man was absent, and the Lost-esque recruitment flashbacks were good for the most part (except the aforementioned Black Widow's). The annoyingly useless thought bubbles were toned down a little in this issue, too.

[The Leaguer]

The flashbacks are irritating. Why the hell is it popular now to drag out recruitment for more than one issue, even after all the characters have not only all already showed up, but are already working as a team?

Nothing in comics is as irritating as those thought bubbles.

[TheCorpulent1]

Given the crap that Bendis pulled with the previous team's formation in New Avengers, 2 issues covering the recruitment of this team was a blessing, as far as I'm concerned.

[The Leaguer]

A blessing if all you read is Bendis, maybe, but for someone who has read comics that DON'T suck, it was still just as unbearable.

[TheCorpulent1]

Also a blessing if you're a big Avengers fan and have been lacking in anything remotely resembling the classic Avengers for years now. If this is as close as it gets before Avengers Classic starts coming out, I'll take what I can get.

[Darthphere]

I enjoy New Avengers but can someone please tell Yu to calm the **** down and get an inker.

[yenaled]

I hated this issue. Yes Dream Girl is in Arkham. Yawn. For some reason we have to have the Silver Age Legion be around because supporting the modern version of the Legion (and thus trying to make that sell more) and having grown-up versions of those characters lost in time would just be stupid!

And God Hawkgirl is ****.

Is Geoforce now on the team? I dunno, maybe we need a 8 issue arc to answer that question.

I can't stand how Val was jobbed to Batman. "Clark thinks the boys better, I love proving him wrong" **** off Batman.

At least Sand had some lines.

[Darthphere]

Eh, I never cared for the Legion in any of its forms. So, I really liked the issue personally.

[TheCorpulent1]

I was annoyed with the Batman/Val fight, too. It's yet another reason why the current Legion would've been better for this story. The current Karate Kid is pretty much useless. He sucks. I could buy Batman kicking his ass, even though he's still supposed to know like a billion martial arts from all across the universe. But the Silver Age Val Armorr? The guy who had techniques that allowed him to dodge speedsters and lay Daxamites out with nothing but human strength? For such a Silver Age buttmonkey, I can't help wondering in light of this issue if Meltzer ever even read anything involving the Silver Age Karate Kid. I guess I'll just chalk it up to the fact that Val was really, really, really disoriented thanks to his ordeal, and the dominant Trident personality was still holding back the full force of his fighting skills. Hopefully Meltzer'll make up for it by having Val deck Superman or something before this is over.

[SouLeSS]

That's the last thing I want to see. Because then people are just gonna proxy it and go

Batman > Karate Kid (VAL) > Superman ergo Batman > Superman.

I'd rather he just punch the ego out of bats.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Batman fanboys who are dumb enough to draw that Batman > Val > Superman conclusion are more than dumb enough to come up with plenty of other stupid, senseless reasons for Batman to be the greatest character in the history of the imagination anyway.

[GoldenAgeHero]

where the **** was dale eaglesham on JSA?

[Darthphere]

Taking a break kid.

[GoldenAgeHero]

after 4 issues?

[Darthphere]

Why not? I'm sure his caliber of art is something he can't produce monthly, so this crossover seems like the perfect opportunity to get caught up on future issues.

[SpideyInATree]

I've been enjoying the crossover so far. Nothing really super spectacular but it could be hella worse. The only thing that I'm a little upset about is the fact that I have to buy Justice League of America to get this entire story. I have NO INTEREST in the Justice League of America, damnit.

I do hope that Starman sticks around because he's the most hilarious character in this damn book, hell...in the entire DCU. Crazy Starman = more readers

[batnkevlar]

Did you just say "hella" worse? Aww man, you from norcal?

[SpideyInATree]

Did you just say "hella" worse? Aww man, you from norcal?

You're not the sharpest tool in the tool shed are you? If by living in Pittsburgh, PA means that I live in norcal then I guess I do? :huh:

Yeah.

[TheCorpulent1]

Crazy Starman irritates me. He's such an easy character. Of course he's going to be hilarious--he's crazy. Crazy = hilarity. Beyond the crazy, there's absolutely nothing to the character, though. It feels like Johns inserted him into the series for cheap, easy laughs.

Anyway, Sand rocked in this week's JSA. I really wish we could see more of him. He's easily the most interesting character on the JSA at this point, but Johns seems determined to keep him out of the spotlight as much as possible. I don't understand it. Why do I have to read about stupid Cyclone and Wildcat's douchebag kid and angsty, emo, "oh my once-purty face is so ugly and scarred now so I hate the world" Damage and still more about ****ing goddamned Stargirl, whom Johns has to devote at least a page to in every mother****ing issue, while Sandman goes to waste in the background? I wish they'd just pare the JSA down to Alan, Jay, Wildcat, Sand, Mr. Terrific, Dr. Mid-Nite, Hourman, Liberty Belle, Cyclone, and Power Girl, get Manhunter on the team, and go from there.

[SpideyInATree]

Crazy Starman irritates me. He's such an easy character. Of course he's going to be hilarious--he's crazy. Crazy = hilarity. Beyond the crazy, there's absolutely nothing to the character, though. It feels like Johns inserted him into the series for cheap, easy laughs.

Well, he's part of the Legion of Superheroes and that's what this crossover is about. So, he's there for more than just the cheap laugh. And so what if he is there for the cheap laugh. Makes me laugh. I get more entertainment out of a crazy fictional character than I do a real life human being doing horrible stand up comedy.

You're just being overly cynical.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm being overly cynical by demanding more of one of the industry's top writers than a character who's funny for saying random, utter nonsense? Jesus, the fact that you're serious just depresses me. :dry:

[SpideyInATree]

I'm being overly cynical by demanding more of one of the industry's top writers than a character who's funny for saying random, utter nonsense? Jesus, the fact that you're serious just depresses me. :dry:

I actually depress you? Good. Now go kill yourself and do the world a favor.

[TheCorpulent1]

No thanks. If I offed myself, your life would be far, far too easy and you might start thinking you had good opinions or something. That'd be a terrible shame.

[SpideyInATree]

No thanks. If I offed myself, your life would be far, far too easy and you might start thinking you had good opinions or something. That'd be a terrible shame.

What a pussy. And my opinions are good. They are good enough to make you depressed and that's all that I need.

[Kitsune]

Hey folks calm down, breath, and remember, there are no stupid opinions, just stupid people with opinions.

[TheCorpulent1]

What a pussy. And my opinions are good. They are good enough to make you depressed and that's all that I need.
Now you're making me angry. And you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

'Cause I ***** about comics even more. Sometimes I'll even ***** about good comics just so people don't think I'm going soft. Your life will be overrun by my overwhelming negativity and overly critical overbearingness.

Over.

[Darthphere]

Asshat Domination!

[The Leaguer]

SIAT just got ruined.

[Eros]

Now you're making me angry. And you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

'Cause I ***** about comics even more. Sometimes I'll even ***** about good comics just so people don't think I'm going soft. Your life will be overrun by my overwhelming negativity and overly critical overbearingness.

Over.

whats with the new avatar?

[TheCorpulent1]

What's with it? Thor's with it. So get with it.

Wurrrrd. :cool:

[yenaled]

When is full-mask Thor from? Never seen that before.

[Harlekin]

Isn't that from the Ellis/Deodato nineties?

[The Leaguer]

Isn't that the Destroyer armor?

[Harlekin]

Ah, we're talking about that one. Mixed it up with the half-mask picture.

[The Leaguer]

He said full-mask.

[TheCorpulent1]

The costumes in my avatar are as follows:

Original Thor costume from Journey Into Mystery #83
Simonson armor from Thor v1 #382
Destroyer Thor from Thor v1 #381
Godpack Thor from Thor v1 #479
Bare-chested Thor from #... something in the late-400s or early-500s, I don't remember
S&M Thor from Thor v1 #502
King Thor from Thor v2 #79
Old King Thor from Thor v2 #something; again, don't remember
Rune Thor from Thor v2 #85
New Thor from Coipel's preview art

[Darthphere]

We didn't care that much.

[SpideyInATree]

SIAT just got ruined.

I did?

[The Leaguer]

Yes.

[SpideyInATree]

Nope.

[The Leaguer]

Your severe owning says otherwise.

[yenaled]

The costumes in my avatar are as follows:

Original Thor costume from Journey Into Mystery #83
Simonson armor from Thor v1 #382
Destroyer Thor from Thor v1 #381
Godpack Thor from Thor v1 #479
Bare-chested Thor from #... something in the late-400s or early-500s, I don't remember
S&M Thor from Thor v1 #502
King Thor from Thor v2 #79
Old King Thor from Thor v2 #something; again, don't remember
Rune Thor from Thor v2 #85
New Thor from Coipel's preview art

Thanks. I've got me some reading to do before the new series.

[freemadison]

Did you just say "hella" worse? Aww man, you from norcal?

:whatever:

hella sick slang

p.s.
get hyphy and dumb

[SpideyInATree]

Your severe owning says otherwise.

Didn't get owned.

[TheCorpulent1]

We didn't care that much.
You know what I don't care that much about? Your FACE. :cmad:

[The Leaguer]

Didn't get owned.

You're right, I didn't get owned.

[SpideyInATree]

And neither did I.

[The Leaguer]

It was quite severe, in fact.

[SpideyInATree]

No, it wasn't.

[The Leaguer]

Mind-blowingly harsh.

[SpideyInATree]

Not even close.