The Official MOS Misc. Villians Thread

[Immortalfire]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Brainiac(STAS).jpg

[Cyrusbales]

darksied :)

[SFII]

Toyman.

[dude love]

Lex Luthor real estate scam! j/k

Braniac, with build up to Darkseid.

[Spike_x1]

Aside from Lex (and hopefully LexCorp) as a behind the scenes manipulator, my three choices are Mongul, Metallo, or Brainiac. Not all in the same movie, of course.

Mongul, because he'd fill the role of the intergalactic conqueror, which Darkseid also plays. Mongul also wouldn't need to be watered down (both story-wise and power-wise) the way Darkseid would, because Mongul was created specifically to be Darkseid-lite so that Superman could conceivably pound on a Space Warlord. Save Darkseid for a New Gods/Fourth World movie(s) where he rightfully belongs, and leave Mongul for the Superman franchise where he rightfully belongs.

And Metallo and Brainiac because of the classic Superman villain niche that they both fill. Perhaps Brainiac supplies Lex with the means to create the robot body, and Lex uses one of his thugs as a test subject. Murder and mayhem ensues. After defeating Metallo, Superman confronts Brainiac, blahblah-plot-blah-climactic finish-blahblah, all results in a fun time at the cinema.

At the end, maybe as Brainiac is destroyed, he signals a distress call that a dying Warworld picks up far away, and Mongul travels to Earth in the third movie to make it into his new Warworld.

[GreenKToo]

check out these manips of the Eradicator and Brainiac...the dude got talent.

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=21927

[Spike_x1]

That's an amazing Brainiac IMO. :wow:

[GreenKToo]

yup, I would love to see that on screen...EDIT: someone mentioned that the face needs to have a green tint, and I agree..:yay: That's an amazing Brainiac IMO. :wow:

[solidsnake86]

I think either brainiac or the eradicator should be used.....also depending on the route they go, if they have three villains, one will most likely be lex and the other should be under the control of lex which could either be bizarro, metallo, or parasite. In terms of Darkseid, first he's technically not a superman villain. Second, I think people will be upset no matter what they do with him because his story will have to be watered down or not explained as thoroughly. If Zod was used I think he would be best for the third movie with the set up coming in the second, but they should take some pointers from the current Action Comics run (depending on how it turns out).

[I am a Guthrie]

I think they should just bring back Terence Stamp WOOOOOOOOOOOO old wrinkly zod! Wait no i've got it...now get ready for this because its the best idea for a sequel villain...Nuclear Man!

[Chris B]

I still think that Brainiac and Bizarro should be introduced as the new villains in the sequel.

[Lightning54SC]

brainiac and the eradicator....

[Zen Ith]

You've restored my faith in the Superman Movie Forums :up:Because there is no hope for people that disagree with you... :whatever:

[Spike_x1]

Because there is no hope for people that disagree with you... :whatever:See, idiots putting words in my mouth is actually what took my faith away in the first place. :rolleyes:

[NewYorkSpider]

brainiac and the eradicator....

Agreed.

[Zen Ith]

See, idiots putting words in my mouth is actually what took my faith away in the first place. :rolleyes:Who would that idiot be?

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Spike_x1, Zen Ith - settle down, please.

If you guys start something, I will finish it.

Have a nice day.

[The Caped Knight]

BRAINIAC DAMNIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ForeverKnight]

Parasite... only because I believe they can not do Brainiac properly in the movies. Parasite can be done with more ease and would be interesting to see.

[zanos]

Why isn't Otis and Mrs. Tessmacher on this list?

[phoenixflight]

Why isn't Otis and Mrs. Tessmacher on this list?

If we were making a comedy...sure I would include them. However I would hope the franchise would want to get somewhat serious and respectful of the comics. Also, they are henchmen, not main villains.

[FanboyX_Returns]

:up: :woot:
TOM Welling is Kal'EL, the TRUE LAST SON OF KRYPTON for this generation!



U Speak the truth my good man! :woot:

[project13]

:wow: Tom as the Cyborg may be a little scary(depends how the robot half of his face looks). I think Welling is perfect for another villian: SUPERBOY-PRIME!!!!!!

[Penguin]

I'd say Darkseid

[Brainiac 2009]

lol good call.

[FVD]

i say the next two movies should be BACK2BACK with Brainiac being across the two flicks. As follows:

SR2: Man of Steel--Metallo is main villian, with Lex Luthor in the background, and Brainiac even behind him
SR3: Last Son of Kryton--Brainiac is the main villian, with Lex luthor in the background

Basically, Brainiac comes into SR2. Lex knows who Braniac is, asks for help, and so brainiac offers Lex krytonian metal/technology. lex finds some low-level thug who is about to die (somehow connected to superman) an opportunity to live again...resulting in metallo. Braniac and lex watch as metallo and superman duke it out. After metallo being defeated, Brainiac comes into battle and kicks the already beaten-up weakened superman's ass. While standing on top of him, Brainiac tells him about himself, who he is, (maybe how he worked for Zod or something), and how he wants to destroy earth. But as he is leaving, he looks back, and says "Kal-El, i thought you were the last of your kind. Clearly I was mistaken" (indicating he knows about jason's secret.) Since he like collecting rare items, extinct species, he has his eyes on jason.

Third movie (haven't thought it out as much with the plot points), huge confrontation between superman and brainiac, maybe have richard somehow sacrifice his life to save superman or jason, with his dying words somehow involving him saying that he knew jason was his son. After everything resolves and brainiac is defeated, the three of them live happily ever after, with clark and lois getting married. The fate of lex can go either way:1. have him go back to jail 2. somehow, in an odd twist of event, becomes the president over the course of the two movies leaving the ended trilogy with a open ending.

I think that's a great idea. Why do I get the impression that the creation of Metallo reminds me of Cain from Robocop 2? :cwink:

[Hunter Rider]

I once discussed an idea for The Eradicator with Showtime that would have made for a Terminator style sequel that i think could work with Eradicator hunting Jason as he isn't a true blood Kryptonian which i think could work.

However Brainiac seems the one that fits best with Singer and will gel well with SR and i recall Solidsnakemgs coming up with a great outline for a Brainiac storyline that would really lead to some great drama and action


BTW the Eradicator design in here looks like Magneto

[Billy Batson]

:wow: Tom as the Cyborg may be a little scary(depends how the robot half of his face looks). I think Welling is perfect for another villian: SUPERBOY-PRIME!!!!!!

I think you're on to something.
Tom Welling as SUPERBOY-PRIME is an AWESOME ideal! :woot: :up:
Tom supes would have to destroy Routh supes and his son, to restore the balance in all parallel dimensions. :woot:

U Speak the truth my good man! :woot: :cwink: thanks X.

[Brainiac 2009]

Routh's Superman would beat Tom's Superboy to a pulp and then give that little speech from IC about true power.

His Superman is probably the most powerful version of Superman to date. He pushed a damn kryptonite continent into space..and still survived.

Not that Superboy Prime was a match for the true Man of Steel anyway.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I think you're on to something.
Tom Welling as SUPERBOY-PRIME is an AWESOME ideal! :woot: :up:
Tom supes would have to destroy Routh supes and his son, to restore the balance in all parallel dimensions. :woot:

:cwink: thanks X.

Hahahahaha, brilliant !

[dark_b]

can we please end this thread. tom welling smallville routh superman.
welling will be a good superman in the last episode. if i dont get welling as superman in the last episode then i will kick someones ass.

[blksuperman2]

can we please end this thread. tom welling smallville routh superman.
welling will be a good superman in the last episode. if i dont get welling as superman in the last episode then i will kick someones ass.

I concur.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Routh's Superman would beat Tom's Superboy to a pulp and then give that little speech from IC about true power.

His Superman is probably the most powerful version of Superman to date. He pushed a damn kryptonite continent into space..and still survived.
.


that wasn't power, that was bad writing

[Immortalfire]

Oh no, not another Welling for Supes! thread :csad:

[Showtime]

Did I go back in time? Is it 2004-2005? Where's the Abrams script?

[Brainiac 2009]

that wasn't power, that was bad writing

The way kryptonite is used as a lame plot device on Smallville is bad writing.

This was showing the most extreme extent of what Superman's powers can do and this obviously isnt the Bryne depowered version.

[Brainiac 2009]

Did I go back in time? Is it 2004-2005? Where's the Abrams script?

Oh no, not another Welling for Supes! thread

Thankfully I missed that crap. ;)

[Showtime]

I did to actually, well most of it.

[larryfilmmaker]

tom welling should end his assossiation with superman after smallville if he's ever gonna have a successful career outside the franchise

He's not going to have a successful career. The dude flat out can't act.

[larryfilmmaker]

that wasn't power, that was bad writing

It's BRILLIANT writing. Superman represents the power of selfless good and how it can overcome any obstacle, even your greatest weakness. It was amazingly done and at the perfect moment, saving the world he loves. If you want hard facts and unchallengable statistics, be a baseball fan... not a movie fan.

[Groho]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=39552

Next Superman Has More Baddies?

Michael Dougherty, co-writer of last year's Superman Returns, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming sequel will feature at least one villain drawn from the DC Comics franchise. Or more than one? "Maybe," Dougherty said coyly in an interview on the set of his upcoming supernatural horror film Trick 'r Treat in Vancouver, Canada, on Jan. 15. "It's [Mr.] Myxyzptlk," he added, with tongue in cheek.

Dougherty said that it's likely he and his Superman Returns writing partner Dan Harris will again work with Singer on the sequel. "We're talking," Dougherty said. "We're bouncing ideas around with Bryan. Big ideas. Action-packed ideas."

Singer has said the next installment will be along the lines of the second Star Trek film, and Dougherty said the comparison is apt. "I think it's going to be a more action-oriented film," he said. "Again, the easy comparison to make was [X-Men] to X2, or Star Trek [The Motion Picture] to Star Trek II. I mean, I know that Bryan has said he's going to Wrath of Khan it, and by that he means, 'Let's take what we've already established—we've gotten that out of the way—and let's just make it shorter, tighter and more action-packed." —Patrick Lee, News Editor (scifiwire@scifi.com) http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/images/spacer.gif

[batman44]

We must have posted our threads at the same time. MODs will you delete mine please.

[Motown Marvel]

sounds good to me....im assuming by shorter they mean keeping it to 2 hrs.

[thedarks0ldier]

I hope all the villians are from the comics, and truthful to them as well.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm happy with everything said in that interview except about the movie being shorter than SR. I personally prefer longer movies and would prefer the sequel to retain SR's length. I also hope more action doesnt mean they abandon the character scene's.

[dark_b]

the problem IMO is that SR is not a long movie. but it is very long and boring at teh end. and when i say boring i dont mean that what happens is boring. it is to slow. so slow that people think it was long. whats this called....pacing?
if there would be an action scene like the plane sequance belive me noone would say that it was long at the end. like i said .... for me lifting NK,falling down and teh hospital scenes are very slow. so slow that they give the feel that the movie is very long. but 2:30 is not long for a movie.

so i am that insted of making it faster at teh end they will make it shorter.

[Kebab gud]

just incase the other thread is deleted

i think there going to do my movie

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...d.php?t=258324

[El Payaso]

"It's [Mr.] Myxyzptlk,"

Cripes. tyhey can't say that, not even as a joke.

[bsquad]

My big fear is that he's going to sacrifice heart and soul for more action in the sequel. I just hope he can find a good balance between the emotions and the actions.

Anyways think of it this way guys: all the complaints for SR has pretty much gauranteed us a Superman film where the **** hit the fan x10

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

the problem IMO is that SR is not a long movie. but it is very long and boring at teh end. and when i say boring i dont mean that what happens is boring. it is to slow. so slow that people think it was long. whats this called....pacing?
if there would be an action scene like the plane sequance belive me noone would say that it was long at the end. like i said .... for me lifting NK,falling down and teh hospital scenes are very slow. so slow that they give the feel that the movie is very long. but 2:30 is not long for a movie.

so i am that insted of making it faster at teh end they will make it shorter.

Well they are now my favourite parts of the movie, so i wouldnt mind a sequnce like that in the sequel either. I dont see how its slow when we go from Superman doing various things in Metropolis, to him saving Lois, etc from the yacht, to his beating, rescue and the lifting of NK and falling all in quick succession.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

My big fear is that he's going to sacrifice heart and soul for more action in the sequel. I just hope he can find a good balance between the emotions and the actions.
Anyways think of it this way guys: all the complaints for SR has pretty much gauranteed us a Superman film where the **** hit the fan x10

Yeah thats my biggest fear as well, but Singer managed it with X2 so i dont see how he cant do it with MOS.

[Showtime]

I am curious as to Mike D. comments, I am wondering if they are thinking of using Lex and a possible two additional villians...

[THE MR. TERRIFIC]

I was expecting maybe Brainiac or Doomsday. I would love to see Darkside. Maybe next time.

[Maze]

am curious as to Mike D. comments, I am wondering if they are thinking of using Lex and a possible two additional villians...


Possible yep .

didn't Spacey signed for two movies?

As for the others My bet are on Brainac (what a surprise :D ) AND the eradicator :hyper:

ps: Showtime is it me or you eyes are glowing more and more? :o :woot:

[Maze]

Yeah thats my biggest fear as well, but Singer managed it with X2 so i dont see how he cant do it with MOS.

Yup, and It is a Singer trademark in general (forgetting public access and Apt pupil) , he will do it Ave :cwink:

[Showtime]

Possible yep .

didn't Spacey signed for two movies?

As for the others My bet are on Brainac (what a surprise :D ) AND the eradicator :hyper:

ps: Showtime is it me or you eyes are glowing more and more? :o :woot:

"My son...you have great power. :wow:

[Maze]

"My son...you have great power. :wow:
lol! it was more like a "why question" :cwink:

[Showtime]

lol! it was more like a "why question" :cwink:


I know, yeah "Fruity" amped up my avatar for me. The eyebrows move up and the eyes glow. I love it.

[X Knight]

yah...but showtime....it is kind of scary looking.....I mean, Halloween isn't here for another 9 months or so...........lol.

btw.....how do you get an avatar?????

[Showtime]

yah...but showtime....it is kind of scary looking.....I mean, Halloween isn't here for another 9 months or so...........lol.

btw.....how do you get an avatar?????

It's Halloween every day of the year for me, I love it.

That is actually Henry Clay, one of the greatest Senators in U.S. history.

He's watching you.

[He-Man]

I am curious as to Mike D. comments, I am wondering if they are thinking of using Lex and a possible two additional villians...


I think Lex will be one of the villians with 1 additonal one.....

[GreenKToo]

IMHO, yes. Everyone knows lex will be in it, thats a gimme. I think he means two additional villians besides Lex. wouldnt that be something.I am curious as to Mike D. comments, I am wondering if they are thinking of using Lex and a possible two additional villians...

[X Knight]

well.....lex could always create metallo ( or maybe bizarro ).....and braniac could be the external alien threat.

[toddly6666]

The villain in the sequel will be Parker Posey, with Lex playing the side kick to her. She is pissed off at him for getting stuck on an island at the end of the first movie, so Lex gives all the powers to her to please her. It's going to be great and packed with action-packed dialogue, more action-packed drama, and more action-packed boredom.

[ultimatefan]

I think shorter is the way to go, to make a movie that feels huge and exciting without costing the same as SR.

I wouldn´t normally like more than one villain, but Batman Begins showed it can work.

[FlawlessVictory]

This is really exciting, I can't wait to find out who the villains are. As long as one of them is not Zod then I'll be happy. I wouldn't worry about the comment about the film being shorter either. Even if it's 20 min shorter, you still have a movie that's over 2 hours long. I thought the end of SR dragged so I like the sound of making the film tighter. And now, with more action being sprinkled in, it's all sounding good to me. :up:

[bud7486]

I guess im in the minority but i like this idea, and no I don't think Welling would be a better Superman than Routh.

[Showtime]

IMHO, yes. Everyone knows lex will be in it, thats a gimme. I think he means two additional villians besides Lex. wouldnt that be something.

I look at is as Lex and a Supervillian with a set up for a 3rd one featuring another Supervillian.

[TheComicbookKid]

I don't expect any updated for awhile considering DK is going into productions. Hopefully, the villains will be announced around May.

If the title is MAN OF STEEL you've got to have action. And shorter hopefully means 2h 15 like X2.

[Ita-KalEl]

It's a good news. It seems that they are doing the right things to do a great sequel.

[bosef982]

I'm thinking Luthor in a role similar to Magneto's in X2 -- in terms of, Superman and Lois having to go to Luthor for some reason.

In terms of villians, while naturally I'd think Brainiac and/or The Eradicator, for some reason when Doughtery says, "Big Ideas" I do think of Darkseid, with some heavy revamping. I mean, if you look at X2, there are quite a few villians in there. I don't know.

And for some reason, I think we're going to get an original character villian, similar to Ty-Zor in the Abrams version.

[Super Kal]

that would be nice to see 2 villains... I kinda wanna see Eradicator at first be a villain, and then near the end, Brainiac and Superman are fighting, and the Eradicator sacrifices his life for Superman.

[bosef982]

that would be nice to see 2 villains... I kinda wanna see Eradicator at first be a villain, and then near the end, Brainiac and Superman are fighting, and the Eradicator sacrifices his life for Superman.

If the Eradicator sacrifices his life, it'll probably bef or Jason and Superman, to continue on the Kryptonian bloodline. However, I think the Eradicator -- who was designed to keep Krypton pure -- would have a bit of problem at first with Jason's "dirty" blood.

[Super Kal]

that actually makes a lot of sense...


maybe something good will come out with the kid being there...

[bosef982]

that actually makes a lot of sense...


maybe something good will come out with the kid being there...

See, that's why I felt the introduced the kid...one, it was a twist on Lois/Superman's relationship. Two, not that Jason will be flying around, helping daddy, but that Jason could become the trigger for a whole series of cluster****s depending on how you look at it....The Eradicator will hate him, Brainiac could want the child so as to rear his own Superman, as could Darkseid if they bring him in.

Due to Jason's fluctuating powers in SR, I don't see him as flying around, etc. And if he does, well...I just don't feel that Singer does such things in corniness. Look at how corny the piano scene could've been in SR, however the execution of the scene is just very grounded -- the throw off screen -- so that it doesn't come off as cheesy.

Trust me, I think Singer will make good on his word here and please those fans who felt left out of SR due to action, comic faithfulness, etc.

Just keep in mind that I do think we'll get a new character, totally original; Superman has always had the least impressive villians as compared to toher heroes. I mena, asking anyone to name Spider-Man or Batman (probably the most well known) villians and they can get two or three at least...

Superman? Lex Luthor is where most people stop.

[Showtime]

I have been championing the idea of the Eradicator hunting down Jason to eliminate him because he is not a "pure blood" Kryptonian. This would be in addition to a Brainiac-Lex storyline. In order to save Jason Superman would have to de-power him in the chamber from Superman 2. It all fits.

*Chamber was DogOfKrypton's idea.

[Super Kal]

this sounds REALLY good... IF they choose that kind of path, and I hope they do... but the whole "Eradicator hunting down Jason" sounds a little Terminator-ish... don't you think?

[FlawlessVictory]

However, I think the Eradicator -- who was designed to keep Krypton pure -- would have a bit of problem at first with Jason's "dirty" blood.

I would be really impressed if they went this direction. In fact, now that you've mentioned it, I really wanna see it! Thanks a lot, now you got my hopes up and it's probably not gonna happen :cmad: :csad:

maybe something good will come out with the kid being there...

Yup

[FlawlessVictory]

I have been championing the idea of the Eradicator hunting down Jason to eliminate him because he is not a "pure blood" Kryptonian. This would be in addition to a Brainiac-Lex storyline. In order to save Jason Superman would have to de-power him in the chamber from Superman 2. It all fits.

*Chamber was DogOfKrypton's idea.

Having the Eradicator hunting down Jason is a great idea, whoever thought of it first, props!

[X Knight]

hmmmm.....that is interesting...........maybe Richard will die trying to protect jason, too.........

or....maybe Singer will take a page from Donner's Action Comics run and make Jason really Zod's son..........

or Jason is really Mr. Mxy......or......or.....or.....

hmmm..................

[bosef982]

I have been championing the idea of the Eradicator hunting down Jason to eliminate him because he is not a "pure blood" Kryptonian. This would be in addition to a Brainiac-Lex storyline. In order to save Jason Superman would have to de-power him in the chamber from Superman 2. It all fits.

*Chamber was DogOfKrypton's idea.

The growth is pretty simpel -- it's the execution.

The crystals left on New Krypton create the Eradicator. I think I wrote about this before, having the Eradicator gestate in some sort of dark, crystla cacoon buried deep inside new Krypton. He's activated due to the bastardization of the crystals via Lex Luthor's using them and now comes to Earth, appalled by how Superman has failed to uphold the Kryptonian legacy and way of civilized life here --- "how could you let a human handle those crystals?" Brainiac could fit in much like Dark Cerebro did, some sort of doomsday device that could destroy the Earth, and could actually grow beyond the Eradicator's control.

Think that the Eradicator comes down to Earth and to the defunct Fortress of Solitude. He inserts a lime crystal which re-activates the Fortress and uploads Brainiac, which begins rearranging the Fortress into some sort of solar tower which will scorch the planet away (I'm thinking this up fast) due to its appalling nature of Krypton.

Luthor is the highest variable, because he has no scientific background and really has no cards to play, I can't see how he can slide in other then possibly recruiting a group of scientists to go back to the Fortress as Brainiac is taking it over, alerting The Eradicator and Brainiac to Jason's existence.

Meanwhile, you could have a throwaway villian like Metallo being handled for the first act of the movie by Superman -- subsequently killed by The Eradicator, who could be mistaken as Superman and thus the public turns against Superman if you wanted to add that cluster****.

Also keep in mind that The Eradicator is known for "bonding" with people and we do have a ripe, able "super-man" in Richard White for him to bond with, which I don't think is totally out of the question. Richard bonding with The Eradicator to grant him some humanity and also to use The Eradicator to sacricie itself for Jason/Superman/Lois.

Just some ideas.

[bosef982]

Having the Eradicator hunting down Jason is a great idea, whoever thought of it first, props!

I know I thought of it during SR. I know a lot of others thought of it post-SR too. Don't think its ONE person's idea, it's just one of those seamless ideas that seemed to flow from what happened in SR.

Put Jason at risk, how best to do that? The Eradicator wants a pure Kryptonian heritage and bloodline, and how much more important now that the planet is destroyed.

[FlawlessVictory]

Just some ideas.

You need to get on the phone with Singer, right now!!

[X Knight]

yes....please bosef..........get your ideas to Singer....NOW!!! we can't run the risk of letting these ideas go to waste....

your idea of Eradicator coming to Earth to "punish" Superman for the "mistakes" he made in SR ( tarnishing the purity of the Kryptonian bloodline/heritage ), might be a good way of "proving" Superman's ultimate loyalty to Earth, and the people he cares for the most.

so......even though he messed up and wasn't there for Jason for 5+ years.....he'll still do everything in his power to protect Jason ( and Richard and Lois ) and Earth.....even if that means fighting off something that is Kryptonian by nature..........

oh....the possibilities....

[Showtime]

this sounds REALLY good... IF they choose that kind of path, and I hope they do... but the whole "Eradicator hunting down Jason" sounds a little Terminator-ish... don't you think?

I can see that, but I think it will be more subtle, maybe Superman using the Eradicator as a Jorel type figure at the beginning asking for advise about his kid, and then turning on him with the advice.

[Showtime]

The growth is pretty simpel -- it's the execution.

The crystals left on New Krypton create the Eradicator. I think I wrote about this before, having the Eradicator gestate in some sort of dark, crystla cacoon buried deep inside new Krypton. He's activated due to the bastardization of the crystals via Lex Luthor's using them and now comes to Earth, appalled by how Superman has failed to uphold the Kryptonian legacy and way of civilized life here --- "how could you let a human handle those crystals?" Brainiac could fit in much like Dark Cerebro did, some sort of doomsday device that could destroy the Earth, and could actually grow beyond the Eradicator's control.

Think that the Eradicator comes down to Earth and to the defunct Fortress of Solitude. He inserts a lime crystal which re-activates the Fortress and uploads Brainiac, which begins rearranging the Fortress into some sort of solar tower which will scorch the planet away (I'm thinking this up fast) due to its appalling nature of Krypton.

Luthor is the highest variable, because he has no scientific background and really has no cards to play, I can't see how he can slide in other then possibly recruiting a group of scientists to go back to the Fortress as Brainiac is taking it over, alerting The Eradicator and Brainiac to Jason's existence.

Meanwhile, you could have a throwaway villian like Metallo being handled for the first act of the movie by Superman -- subsequently killed by The Eradicator, who could be mistaken as Superman and thus the public turns against Superman if you wanted to add that cluster****.

Also keep in mind that The Eradicator is known for "bonding" with people and we do have a ripe, able "super-man" in Richard White for him to bond with, which I don't think is totally out of the question. Richard bonding with The Eradicator to grant him some humanity and also to use The Eradicator to sacricie itself for Jason/Superman/Lois.

Just some ideas.

I think it should be more subtle and the Eradicator bonds with Superman, Superman using him as a father figure, and then the Eradicator turns on him when finding out about Jason. I think that Richard could sacrifice himself saving Jason from The Eradicator, and then Superman has to make a choice to rid Jason of his powers in order to allow Jason to be safe from the Eradicator and possibly Brainiac.

[El Payaso]

Rad-ioactive Super-poodles.

[X Knight]

and Superman can grow to be over 100 feet tall as he gets angrier.

so tall that the Power Rangers must call on their zords ( or whatever the hell they call them now ) to stop giant-Superman from destroying the city.

yes, folks, it's the Superman story you've all been waiting for.....Superman vs. every single Power Ranger in existence!

Can the Power Rangers' collective....umm.....power.......be enough to defeat giant-Superman? Or, will Superman pwn all their a**.

find out in 2009!! Superman Returns ( Again ).....a Joel Schumacher film.

[Super Kal]

and Superman can grow to be over 100 feet tall as he gets angrier.

so tall that the Power Rangers must call on their zords ( or whatever the hell they call them now ) to stop giant-Superman from destroying the city.

yes, folks, it's the Superman story you've all been waiting for.....Superman vs. every single Power Ranger in existence!

Can the Power Rangers' collective....umm.....power.......be enough to defeat giant-Superman? Or, will Superman pwn all their a**.

find out in 2009!! Superman Returns ( Again ).....a Joel Schumacher film.
lmao, hey that'd be pretty cool...

[WormyT]

It's going to seem weird having superman fly around fighting and acting tough when he got his A$$ whipped by a bunch of human clowns in SR. Hes going to be so out of character.
Heres hoping WB get cold feet at the last minute and take a 5 year break before handing the reigns to a new visionary director who has screenwriters that know their Superman history.

[Maze]

It's going to seem weird having superman fly around fighting and acting tough when he got his A$$ whipped by a bunch of human clowns in SR. Hes going to be so out of character.
it's a debate for another place imo ;)

i like what i'm reading people .:)

very Singerish ideas Bosef :)

[X Knight]

yah....actually it would be kind of cool to see Superman beating the crap out of the Power Rangers......complete with cheesy wire-fu and effects....:woot:

i can't believe that show is still on!!!! it's like every year they change incarnations........guess it's just to sell more toys.......

however, Tommy did rule as the Green/White Ranger! And, Kimberly was hot as the Pink Ranger!

ahhh....seems so long ago......

lol.....i'm getting old, aren't I?

[Maze]

and Superman can grow to be over 100 feet tall as he gets angrier.

so tall that the Power Rangers must call on their zords ( or whatever the hell they call them now ) to stop giant-Superman from destroying the city.

yes, folks, it's the Superman story you've all been waiting for.....Superman vs. every single Power Ranger in existence!

Can the Power Rangers' collective....umm.....power.......be enough to defeat giant-Superman? Or, will Superman pwn all their a**.

find out in 2009!! Superman Returns ( Again ).....a Joel Schumacher film.
lol!i was not talking about that superbats!:o :woot: :yay:

[Super Kal]

yah....actually it would be kind of cool to see Superman beating the crap out of the Power Rangers......complete with cheesy wire-fu and effects....:woot:

i can't believe that show it still on!!!! it's like every year they change incarnations........guess it's just to sell more toys.......
you can blame Japan for that.... and it's not as corny as the US makes Power Rangers.

[Showtime]

It's going to seem weird having superman fly around fighting and acting tough when he got his A$$ whipped by a bunch of human clowns in SR. Hes going to be so out of character.
Heres hoping WB get cold feet at the last minute and take a 5 year break before handing the reigns to a new visionary director who has screenwriters that know their Superman history.

Was it hard for you when Lex simply placed a necklace around Superman and guided him to a pool and then in Superman 2 he was duking it out with Zod and Co? It wasn't for me.

[X Knight]

wouldn't that be the ultimate irony if WB got rid of Singer.......and hired Schumacher to do the sequel!!!???

Superman: "The Super-card, never leave the FOS without it!!"

be careful with what you wish for.....as they say.....lol

no....seriously....there are some good ideas floating around here.......

[Maze]

wouldn't that be the ultimate irony if WB got rid of Singer.......and hired Schumacher to do the sequel!!!???

Superman: "The Super-card, never leave the FOS without it!!"

be careful with what you wish for.....as they say.....lol

no....seriously....there are some good ideas floating around here.......


Lol that's what i think sometimes when i read some of those threads ;)

Showtime : well put :cwink:

[X Knight]

lol...i think that is ONE thing that would unite fans and detractors together........JUST SAY NO TO SCHUMACHER!!!!!

hopefully, Singer can really up-the-ante with the sequel.....not just in action but in character development as well.

i want the sequel to really confront Superman and show him realizing he has made A VERY BIG MISTAKE in terms of being a father to Jason. now....superman MUST handle the situation responsibly and do the best he can to protect Jason.

if they just gloss over that issue, as if nothing is wrong, then I will lose all faith in the franchise.

IOW, i feel Singer has an even tougher job with the sequel, as he now has to convince those of us who were dissappointed with SR to stick around for the sequel.

[Showtime]

Are you drunk? Hey...my avatar smiles too...that is eerie.

[X Knight]

why would I be drunk? I've never touched a bottle in my life!! and I never will!! lol

it seems lately we've all had some pretty heated debates here.......so i'm just trying to lighten things up a bit.......and, i'm in a good mood today ( for now, at least ).

see....i told you about your avatar.........

[Showtime]

why would I be drunk?

it seems lately we've all had some pretty heated debates here.......so i'm just trying to lighten things up a bit.......and, i'm in a good mood today ( for now, at least ).

see....i told you about your avatar.........

I was joking...

...and I didn't realize it smiled, I knew his eyes moved, but that smile is freakin me out. :dry:

[FlawlessVictory]

i want the sequel to really confront Superman and show him realizing he has made A VERY BIG MISTAKE in terms of being a father to Jason.

But Superman doesn't see Jason as a mistake. Unless you mean not being around the first 5 years of his life is a mistake, but even then, he didn't know Lois was pregnant. Jason is his connection to someone else being like him. He truly is not alone anymore as there is another like him(at least partially). His journey is now complete, from when he left to go to Krypton to see if there were others like him, to finding one like him who has been on Earth all along. Superman is content now, the story will just move forward from there.

[X Knight]

that's ok.........showtime....

i didn't realize it smiled either, until you pointed it out......lol so focused on the glowing eyes......

btw......how does one get an avatar?

[Maze]

why would I be drunk? I've never touched a bottle in my life!! and I never will!! lol..

Well said Superbats:) You don't need that to "look" drunk lol!:woot: :yay: :cwink:

[X Knight]

well, I made a vow when I was very young that I would never drink, smoke, or do drugs. i saw all those activities as pointless, not to mention harmful to my body. and, of course, my parents cautioned me against them, too.

so far, I have kept that vow, and I intend to keep on keeping it............

i, however, do like to lighten things up here by coming up with nonsensical posts and plots and such...........trying to focus less on the negatives and look for the positives.....

if that comes across as drunk....so be it.......if I can bring a smile to just one poster's face......then I have done my duty........

[Showtime]

that's ok.........showtime....

i didn't realize it smiled either, until you pointed it out......lol so focused on the glowing eyes......

btw......how does one get an avatar?

You have to have a certain number of posts. If you go to the SHH Community Forum - Technical Support than all the info is there.

[X Knight]

oh...ok....thanks showtime!

[batman44]

I'm happy with everything said in that interview except about the movie being shorter than SR. I personally prefer longer movies and would prefer the sequel to retain SR's length. I also hope more action doesnt mean they abandon the character scene's.

Same here.

[Maze]

i, however, do like to lighten things up here by coming up with nonsensical posts and plots and such...........trying to focus less on the negatives and look for the positives.....

if that comes across as drunk....so be it.......if I can bring a smile to just one poster's face......then I have done my duty........
I was joking :yay: i agree with that kind of philosophy.

life is short , there are really more important topic in life , no need for me to "go at it" on a forum :cwink:

[Maze]

oh...ok....thanks showtime!
what showtime said.

but thinking about that, you can have one at 600 posts? (or is it 300? I forgot lol! )

[X Knight]

very true, maze. very true.

after all, it's just a movie. if it's not to your liking, then it's not the end of the world. There are still plenty of other mediums you can enjoy Superman in, be it the animated series, Lois and Clark, Smallville, comics, graphic novels, etc.

happy posting! ;)

[Sub-Zero]

i for one would want mxyzptlk as a villain. A villain not the villain. he could be there to tell superman that everything that happened in superman returns never actually happened and he created all of it to mess with him. that would be about 10-15 minutes then they could restart everything: make luthor a tycoon, lois isn't with anyone and doesn't have a kid. kitty never existed. then bring on brainiac or zod(which is who i think the main villain will be because they are so unoriginal with their story ideas for superman)

[bgshw44]

the problem IMO is that SR is not a long movie. but it is very long and boring at teh end. and when i say boring i dont mean that what happens is boring. it is to slow. so slow that people think it was long. whats this called....pacing?
if there would be an action scene like the plane sequance belive me noone would say that it was long at the end. like i said .... for me lifting NK,falling down and teh hospital scenes are very slow. so slow that they give the feel that the movie is very long. but 2:30 is not long for a movie.

so i am that insted of making it faster at teh end they will make it shorter.


exactly, its all about pacing and solid editing

[Zorex]

Shorter, tighter, more action packed.

All good things. Seeing how much things improved from X-Men to X2, I could definitely believe it.

[bosef982]

Here's another idea to throw out at you. A bit more radical:

CADMUS PROJECT. I think they could solve a great many issues in MOS. First and foremost, have htem to the creators of Metallo. Have John Corbin be a man who was deformed and basically died in a train wreck with his family, losing them all -- while Superman was away. Thus, this gives Metallo some good functioning as a villian since he'll represent that period where Superman left the earth. Also have the Cadmus Project be in Switzerland, where Luthor is hiding. Luthor can go to them an offer them the Fortress of Solitude, open up to the world even. This would require a sort of "Stryker-like" character from the mythos to be used...this would get Luthor back in the game and give him the resources to push into the Fortress of Solitude, where Brainiac and The Eradicator are waiting.

Basically you could have this sort of virulent humanity aspect (embodied by Luthor, Cadmus, and Metallo) brewing up against old Krypton (Brainiac and The Eradicator), both happening at the same time, and both forcing Superman to make a choice. This way, with Luthor with Cadmus, which he can eventually take over, you can have the beginnings of Bizarro and also, you could have Superman come to Luthor and ask him to take away Jason's powers...even, Cadmus could have asorr of Superman project, designed to recreate a Superman after he left, a substitute for Superman leaving Earth. Pulling Dabney Donnovan from the old mythos could not only be fun, but functions just as appropriately as William Stryker coming out of the woodwork for X2.

I have a feeling we'll see Metallo in the opening scene here. This could work. In eed to chew on this.

[Brainiac 2009]

I like this idea of Eradicator hunting down Jason.

However, they said they were planning to cast big for the new villian (and Eradicator would need to be played by Brandon Routh).

Brainiac seems more likely.

Maybe theyll make Brainiac into a composite character like they did for STAS and have Eradicator's Kryptonian traits.

[batman44]

Here's another idea to throw out at you. A bit more radical:

CADMUS PROJECT. I think they could solve a great many issues in MOS. First and foremost, have htem to the creators of Metallo. Have John Corbin be a man who was deformed and basically died in a train wreck with his family, losing them all -- while Superman was away. Thus, this gives Metallo some good functioning as a villian since he'll represent that period where Superman left the earth. Also have the Cadmus Project be in Switzerland, where Luthor is hiding. Luthor can go to them an offer them the Fortress of Solitude, open up to the world even. This would require a sort of "Stryker-like" character from the mythos to be used...this would get Luthor back in the game and give him the resources to push into the Fortress of Solitude, where Brainiac and The Eradicator are waiting.

Basically you could have this sort of virulent humanity aspect (embodied by Luthor, Cadmus, and Metallo) brewing up against old Krypton (Brainiac and The Eradicator), both happening at the same time, and both forcing Superman to make a choice. This way, with Luthor with Cadmus, which he can eventually take over, you can have the beginnings of Bizarro and also, you could have Superman come to Luthor and ask him to take away Jason's powers...even, Cadmus could have asorr of Superman project, designed to recreate a Superman after he left, a substitute for Superman leaving Earth. Pulling Dabney Donnovan from the old mythos could not only be fun, but functions just as appropriately as William Stryker coming out of the woodwork for X2.

I have a feeling we'll see Metallo in the opening scene here. This could work. In eed to chew on this.

:up: It's very similar to something I had in mind, I love it.

[Showtime]

I like this idea of Eradicator hunting down Jason.

However, they said they were planning to cast big for the new villian (and Eradicator would need to be played by Brandon Routh).

Brainiac seems more likely.

Maybe theyll make Brainiac into a composite character like they did for STAS and have Eradicator's Kryptonian traits.

Why would the Eradicator need to be played by Brandon? :huh:

[I7eIVIoNBoY]

who's mr. mxy? is he that lil fairy from the superman game?

[Super Kal]

yes, but he's not a "fairy"...he's an imp from the 5th dimension.

[dark_b]

yes, but he's not a "fairy"...he's an imp from the 5th dimension.is this the little green guy from S:TAS?

[Showtime]

Yes Yes And Yes

[X Knight]

and no, no, no to mxy.............

[dark_b]

Yes Yes And Yesand there is a cahnce of him being in the sequel? there is a bigger chance to get no homages in the sequel then having a little green guy.

[Showtime]

and no, no, no to mxy.............

We're watching you.


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[Showtime]

and there is a cahnce of him being in the sequel? there is a bigger chance to get no homages in the sequel then having a little green guy.

He is NOT...I repeat NOT...going to be in the sequel. Mike D. just likes to joke about him, he did it in other interviews as well.

You are right, there is no chance, none.

[GoldGoblin]

Lex should be a villain with his battle suit.

[Showtime]

I hope no battle suit.

[GoldGoblin]

I hope no battle suit.

^Why not,it would give Lex something to do in the sequel as a villain.

[Showtime]

^Why not,it would give Lex something to do in the sequel as a villain.

I don't know man, I am not feeling it.

I guess I would have to see the design for it, an update from previous versions.

[Super Kal]

^
that's disappointing... barely anything ST...

and no general Zod... He's been done already, and there's no need to rehash yet another Donner movie.

[FlawlessVictory]

is this the little green guy from S:TAS?

Not green, here he is:

http://www.batman-superman.com/superman/img/Mxyzptlk.gif

[Showtime]

Zod could have worked in Returns actually...but now...please no.

[X Knight]

i would rather have Lex create Metallo or Bizarro, than don a battle suit.

also, I really want to see Supes unleash his heat vision.....as an OFFENSIVE weapon.

y'know......those moments in the comics.....where Superman is being crushed by an enemy........then his eyes start glowing red ( much like showtime's avatar...lol ).....and he just unleashes a massive blast of heat vision......

yah....i would like to see that.....

[GreenKToo]

I like that idea..that would satisfy alot of the fans who are leary of the kid flying and what not..I have been championing the idea of the Eradicator hunting down Jason to eliminate him because he is not a "pure blood" Kryptonian. This would be in addition to a Brainiac-Lex storyline. In order to save Jason Superman would have to de-power him in the chamber from Superman 2. It all fits.

*Chamber was DogOfKrypton's idea.

[whiteAngelus]

Superman has some of the best villians going no doubt about it but unfortunately and as much as i like lex we have had the equilivant of 4 films with lex as villian - 1, 2 half- 3 was a lex style villian just not as well played- 4 was lex creating nuclear man(which after resently watch 4 again if you where to reuse but greatly expand the character could deffo be i think fantastic in the future) Zod was good in 2 deffo but now is not rite to have zod again so the other villians-
Brainiac- hell yes at some point we have to have him he can detail kryptonian history making all other alien villians much more believe able in this realistic world movies create it is the ultimate story tool and he can create endless challenges i cant see it being any other way than in at least 2 or 3 i think both as a heavy hitter but not the old never really gone just that he escapes after kickin sup a bit

metallo- i love this villian think he is great but i honestly cant see giant robots workin for singer- didnt have sentenials(spelling) in X-men aint havin anythin robot related but cyborg yeah he could deffo live with that but i just dont wanna see another omg kryptonite bollocks im all weak now kick the stuff out of me- if lex and his thugs could beat the snot out of him metallo would kill him end of but he has to be in the saga just cause well its about bloody time i and i like him

Doomsday- Why is lex never make a spectacular villian- simple lex as a spectical cannot and will never physically challenge sups short of a robot and i spacey was born for the part but i dont see him in a robot suit some how- the superman films need now more than ever one things- superman to square off with a villian and quiet literally smash metropolis to bits powers glory even super breath like on the super returns game cars FLYING down the streets exploding and villians soarin into the air- SR had less powers than smallville twice heat vision if i recall- superbreath once i think- just flying and not a single super punch thrown wot kind of superman film they makin- doomsday has to come and just for about 30 minute fight should just do it i think and kick the crap into each other- sups cant die because audiences wont believe it he never died in returns was just unconscious and nackered but doomsday winning first then the super rematch in 3 for about 45 minute fight that time i think thats a plan i would love him to be in it-brainiac is a brilliant way to make him real coming from the fact sups went to krypton and i already no regardless of proof SOMAT FOLLOWED HIM BACK otherwise singer wont be savin the return to krypton scenes- £10 million dollars doesnt just dissappear on concept art even by singer standards

Darkseid- hell yeah another good smash darkseid and doomsday rematch and darkseid fleet in number 3 with mongol coming to help invade with darkseid just to get revenge on superman for their fight on supermans return to krypton which they will show us in 2 in flash backs lol nah i like mongol and can dream but simple rules he was used in the game neither brainiac darkseid or doomsday where so we can expect at least of on them- but back to darkseid yeah deffo best villian goin really he can deffo invade and duke it out with sup but no omega beam in the sense of sent to oblivion or woteva just causes f*** off explosion and sups flys through a building or two but i would personally wot like and expect to be fair by 3

Bizzaro- no clones, robots or cyborgs in the sense of copyin superman but as long as they dont sell paralell dimensions and bizzaro world to hollywood singer is in no imediate danger but bizzaro being more of a better creation like nuclear man could work thats why i didnt rule the idea out even brainiac's twisted superman i.e bizzaro could work i actually think the best bit of superman 3 was the evil superman good clark fight and i think if bizzaro was gonna be done that could be a good way- again he was heavy in the game i cant see singer going with it this early into the francise again

-mr mx or how ever the fudge u spell it- although in one continuation eventually considered his biggest threat- aint gonna happen not a gnome in a hat from any dimension- no dimension jumpin plus in the game with his surgin cat population-

eradicator im not that familiar with to be honest but from wot i have found out i think he could deffo work

zod- well im a fan of the general but not whilst superman 1 and 2 still to prominent and as well as smallville using the whole zod things and the phantoms

if there any major villians i should get a slap for not mentioning just say and ill edit it to include them

[Billy Batson]

can we please end this thread. tom welling smallville routh superman.
welling will be a good superman in the last episode. if i dont get welling as superman in the last episode then i will kick someones ass.

Than imagine the DvD sales 300 million units! :cwink:

[Hunter Rider]

I notice the word "Action" is emphasised in that interview a lot by Dougherty lol:woot:

He says "At least one villain from the comics" well Lex is from the comics

It's gonna be interesting to see where this goes especially with Showtime taking credit for my Eradicator ideas:mad::;)

[Showtime]

I didn't take credit you bum. Look back. I said "Championing", doesn't that just mean being a mouth piece? I have record right in my inbox that you PMed me about it first, actually Bosef might have taken credit for it.

Don't step to the plate without a bat next time Hunter...:oldrazz:

[Hunter Rider]

I didn't take credit you bum. Look back. I said "Championing", doesn't that just mean being a mouth piece? I have record right in my inbox that you PMed me about it first, actually Bosef might have taken credit for it.

Don't step to the plate without a bat next time Hunter...:oldrazz:

Those records can......disapear:ninja:Yes Bosef is moving in as well on my "Make SR2 like the Terminator" idea:cmad::woot:

Hopefully this interview puts and end to the "the sequel isn't definite" stuff

[Showtime]

Those records can......disapear:ninja:Yes Bosef is moving in as well on my "Make SR2 like the Terminator" idea:cmad::woot:

Hopefully this interview puts and end to the "the sequel isn't definite" stuff

I forgot, you're one of THEM now. :o

Whose been saying the sequel isn't definate? :yay:

So whats the deal, we can put photos in our Sig now? What did you do?

[Hunter Rider]

I forgot, you're one of THEM now. :o

Whose been saying the sequel isn't definate? :yay:

So whats the deal, we can put photos in our Sig now? What did you do?

But im a nice one of THEM:csad:

Oh Lexlives about 6 million time:dry:

Not that i know of unless there was a change of heart

[Showtime]

But im a nice one of THEM:csad:

Oh Lexlives about 6 million time:dry:

Not that i know of unless there was a change of heart

This is true, there are alot of nice ones in the red.

Whose Lexlives? :dry:

Check above about 6 posts for the change of heart.

[Hunter Rider]

This is true, there are alot of nice ones in the red.

Whose Lexlives? :dry:

Check above about 6 posts for the change of heart.

LOL:D

That's not a sig he's just posting that image with all his posts

[Super Kal]

LexLives...

once a member of The Planet until Justin banned him from the site after continuously making negative threads about the movie.

[Super Kal]

I forgot, you're one of THEM now. :o

Whose been saying the sequel isn't definate? :yay:

So whats the deal, we can put photos in our Sig now? What did you do?
lol, there's nothing wrong with HR being a mod...

and what's this I hear about pics in sigs? :)

[Showtime]

LOL:D

That's not a sig he's just posting that image with all his posts

Oops...I am so easily tricked sometimes. Leave it you buddy.

[Showtime]

LexLives...

once a member of The Planet until Justin banned him from the site after continuously making negative threads about the movie.

I was being slick. :word:

[lexlives]

There is nothing new here folks. Well, not quite true but I will get to that.

More action, short film, multiple villains - that was known as the only givens of a potential sequel.

The one new item, only one, is that D&H are not confirmed as writers. Dougherty talks about the possibility - not certainty. Dare I get my hopes up a potential sequel will not be written by these two?

But it is really just all talk to calm the fans down and tamper the negative buzz IMO. More like X or X2? Successful films in a way SR was not. What else are they going to say? We are giving the kid more screentime - oops, Singer did say that.

More action and 2 villains - a minimum given the new bar Spiderman 3 is setting - will not do it.

This is not enough. Singer would have a much harder row to hoe in a sequel. He has to win over non-believers and the ho-hum to SR crowd.

If these are the only changes, a potential sequel will not cut it or make it.

When they start talking bringing in at least a co-writer for D&H, lightening the palette, less dark - as in more day shots - and more appropriate lighting. Half the time you could hardly make out Supes in SR - like what is the point then. When they talk a new FX company and maybe some cast changes..

I could go but a potential sequel needs lots of changes and many of us will not give it a second look unless we see evidence of real change.

This interview was mostly a PR stunt to try to creat some positivity around SR. Nothing wrong with that - it is what production teams do. But ever the cynic - as they say, talk is cheap.

[Showtime]

lol, there's nothing wrong with HR being a mod...

and what's this I hear about pics in sigs? :)

Hey I've been nominating him for about a year. I was on the bandwagon before it was made. :cwink:

No pics...I was being foolish.

[Super Kal]

I was being slick. :word:
oh... lol, well leave it to me to never get the joke :D

[Showtime]

There is nothing new here folks. Well, not quite true but I will get to that.

More action, short film, multiple villains - that was known as the only givens of a potential sequel.

The one new item, only one, is that D&H are not confirmed as writers. Dougherty talks about the possibility - not certainty. Dare i ger my hope a potentil sequel will not be written by these two?

But it is really just all talk to calm thefans down. More like X or X2. Successful films in a way SR was not. What else are they going to say? We are giving the kid more screentime - oops, Singer did say that.

More action will not do it and 2 villains - a minimum given the new bar Spiderman 3 is setting.

This is not enough. Singer would have a much harder row to hoe in a sequel. He has to win over non-believers and the ho-hum to SR crowd.

If these are the only changes, a potential sequel will not cut it or make it.

When they start talking bringing in a least a co-writer for D&H, lightening the pallette, less dark - as in night shots - and more appropriate lighting. Half the time you could hardly make out Supes in SR. Like what is the point then. When they talk a new FX company and maybe some cast changes..

I could go but a potential sequel needs lots of changes and many of us will not give it a second look unless we see evidence of reral change.

This interview was mostly a PR stunt to try to creat some positivity around SR. Nothing wrong with that - it is what production teams do. But ever the cynic - as they say, talk is cheap.

Actually, it was an interview about Trick R Treat wasn't it? I believe LexLives, that Singer and Dan Harris have also been on set since they are producers, and they are already hashing out the sequel.

The problem with your arguments is that all media outlets have pointed to Singer being on board with Mike and Dan, but you keep reaching and grabbing air.

Singer never was quoted as saying anything about the kid getting more screen time in an interview, it was supposedly said during a dinner.

Spin on. :whatever:

[lexlives]

Actually, it was an interview about Trick R Treat wasn't it? I believe LexLives, that Singer and Dan Harris have also been on set since they are producers, and they are already hashing out the sequel.

The problem with your arguments is that all media outlets have pointed to Singer being on board with Mike and Dan, but you keep reaching and grabbing air.

Singer never was quoted as saying anything about the kid getting more screen time in an interview, it was supposedly said during a dinner.

Spin on. :whatever:

It was said during the DVD launch party as I understand.

I just assumed D&H had been signed but the comments make it sound like not yet. I get a very slim glimmer of hope as I found their writing for SR below average. Lifting sets of lines from another effort is not what they taught me in creative writing.

Let's be real, the writing left much to be desired in SR - any sequel has to greatly improve on that to succeed. Can D&H do that. IMO that is a fair question.

[Hunter Rider]

.

When they start talking bringing in at least a co-writer for D&H, lightening the palette, less dark - as in more day shots - and more appropriate lighting. Half the time you could hardly make out Supes in SR - like what is the point then. When they talk a new FX company and maybe some cast changes..



Casting and FX changes ?:huh:

[Showtime]

It was said during the DVD launch party as I understand.

I just assumed D&H had been signed but the comments make it sound like not yet. I get a very slim glimmer of hope as I found their writing for SR below average. Lifting sets of lines from another effort is not what they taught me in creative writing.

Let's be real, the writing left much to be desired in SR - any sequel has to greatly improve on that to succeed. Can D&H do that. IMO that is a fair question.

Research it...it was supposedly overheard in a private conversation...

You obvisiously didn't take Creative Writing 2 where they discussed tributes.

Did you even read the script, it's remarkably different than the film itself and flows much better.

[lexlives]

Casting and FX changes ?:huh:

I know - a radical proposal and no one - yeah right - has suggested that till now.

[lexlives]

Research it...it was supposedly overheard in a private conversation...

You obvisiously didn't take Creative Writing 2 where they discussed tributes.

Did you even read the script, it's remarkably different than the film itself and flows much better.


That gets to the failed to execute part. Whether it was Singer or whomever the production was a disaster. Bosworth said something like, at one point, we did not know what we were doing.

Singer may be a good director but he can't, seemingly. delegate or when he does he puts too much on one person. The editing was poor = Ottman was doing too much.

[Freddy_Krueger]

It was said during the DVD launch party as I understand.



And it goes to show you can't believe everything you read. Supposedly, in the same conversation, Singer said the film would be 127 minutes long. Kinda hard to figure out how long a movie's gonna be without a script isn't it?

[Showtime]

That gets to the failed to execute part. Whether it was Singer or whomever the production was a disaster. Bosworth said something like, at one point, we did not know what we were doing.

Singer may be a good director but he can't, seemingly. delegate or when he does he puts too much on one person. The editing was poor = Ottman was doing too much.

The editing fell almost squarely on the shoulders of Singer, and my biggest problem was Singer's editing.

I don't know where you are getting the project was a disaster and where did Bosworth say that?

[Showtime]

And it goes to show you can't believe everything you read. Supposedly, in the same conversation, Singer said the film would be 127 minutes long. Kinda hard to figure out how long a movie's gonna be without a script isn't it?

Now that is some real noteworthy news.

[Hunter Rider]

I know - a radical proposal and no one - yeah right - has suggested that till now.

Why would they need a new FX house ? no one ive heard complain about the movie has complained about SR's effects and casting changes aren't gonna happen on a sequel,surely not suggesting recasting Superman,Lois or Lex

[lexlives]

The editing fell almost squarely on the shoulders of Singer, and my biggest problem was Singer's editing.

I don't know where you are getting the project was a disaster and where did Bosworth say that?

Bosworth said "Every day it was like, what the hell are we doing??

She is referring to the water/climax scenes there.

She says too she "was already for the break".

EW 06/23/06.

The Time magazine critic also said the production was chaos or words to that effect. It is the 2nd or 3rd issue from last April of Time. Their summer movie preview issue.

Seeing the final result, the choppy editing , the erroneous cutting of scenes, the yawn the last third of the film was how can anyone argue that, if WB gives a greenlight, they need someone onset, competent of course, to oversee things and call Singer to the carpet when he is wrong. He simply doen not have the skill to pull it off on his own IMO.

[VENOM26101]

for the second one have brainiac. good well rounded villian that deserves some screen time. have lex in the background, but keep him there. then for the ending have it appear the world is all safe again. then have one of those classic at the very end of the credits extra scenes that goes like such...

serene countryside. deer are grazing in an open field with birds chirping in the trees nearby. suddenly the ground rumbles slightly and the deer become spooked. then silence. the rumbling occurs again with a loud cracking sound and the deer flee and the birds take flight in fear. an ominous ha ha ha can be heard coming from under the ground.

that would be a perfect set up for doomsday for the thrid one, imo.

[FanboyX_Returns]

Originally Posted by dark_b
can we please end this thread. tom welling smallville routh superman.
welling will be a good superman in the last episode. if i dont get welling as superman in the last episode then i will kick someones ass.

Than imagine the DvD sales 300 million units! :cwink:


heh thats cause Smallville actually makes the WB money, and doesn't lose money like SR.
I agree they show him in the suit a few times or in the last episode alone, and the dvd sales on that season will be amazing!
it's clear who's this generations Superman... :word:

[FanboyX_Returns]

http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/0606/22/KLICK-23s12jacko_438.jpg
How about Michael Jackson for The Toyman!

I could really see that! lol :woot:

[Sawyer]

I had two problems with SR. One, it was really drawn out by the end. It was unnecessary. Two, it wasn't terribly fun. It was a great movie, but I didnt really come out of the theatre having a fun time. X-Men trilogy, Spider-Man 2, Batman Begins. Those all had great drama AND they were fun. SR 2 should be fun.

[Crooklyn]

Why would they need a new FX house ? no one ive heard complain about the movie has complained about SR's effects x
No, not necessarily complaints...but I admit it could've been better. It took a second viewing, but I can pretty much tell when a cgi Supes is being used as opposed to Routh. That shouldn't be the case less than a year after a film is out.

Take POTC2 for example. I bet you there are still people out there that believe Davey Jones was 80% prosthetics. ILM and WETA are much more suited for this type of work, especially if we're to assume the sequel will feature more action. Sony Imageworks is pretty good....but they're not the best.

[Showtime]

Bosworth said "Every day it was like, what the hell are we doing??

She is referring to the water/climax scenes there.

She says too she "was already for the break".

EW 06/23/06.

The Time magazine critic also said the production was chaos or words to that effect. It is the 2nd or 3rd issue from last April of Time. Their summer movie preview issue.

Seeing the final result, the choppy editing , the erroneous cutting of scenes, the yawn the last third of the film was how can anyone argue that, if WB gives a greenlight, they need someone onset, competent of course, to oversee things and call Singer to the carpet when he is wrong. He simply doen not have the skill to pull it off on his own IMO.

Ummm...she was refering to the hard work during the water scene, its alluded to on the DVD.

I am sure the production was chaotic, most productions are though. The chaotic editing is another story.

[bosef982]

Those records can......disapear:ninja:Yes Bosef is moving in as well on my "Make SR2 like the Terminator" idea:cmad::woot:

Hopefully this interview puts and end to the "the sequel isn't definite" stuff

Dude, I saw the movie before you did and was saying my ideas about The Eradicator back then. No offense but I'm not going to fight people over things like this. You have no way of proving this anymore than I can....

From the get go though, I've been about pining the villian after Jason, most likely the Eradicator and his pure Kryptonian bloodline. Aligning Luthor with a goverment organization like the Cadmus Project that is working on a Superman project...and now becuase of his disappearance for five years. A more organic New Krypton gestating The Eradicator, which I wrote a brief script intro for. Brainiac not being a person but a construction that reconstructs the Fortress of Solitude and takes it over. Richard dying and perhaps bonding with the Eradicator....

Since the movie was released on June 30th, I was talking about these ideas with Seen and The Guard.

I hate when people start trying to take credit for ****. It's impossible on the internet.

[lexlives]

I had two problems with SR. One, it was really drawn out by the end. It was unnecessary. Two, it wasn't terribly fun. It was a great movie, but I didnt really come out of the theatre having a fun time. X-Men trilogy, Spider-Man 2, Batman Begins. Those all had great drama AND they were fun. SR 2 should be fun.

That is it. SR should have lifted us up, made us feel good. In a fun way. But it was too much a downer and that is why it turned audiences off.

[lexlives]

Ummm...she was refering to the hard work during the water scene, its alluded to on the DVD.

I am sure the production was chaotic, most productions are though. The chaotic editing is another story.


Actually, I say the chaotic editing was part of the story. No way you can seperate it.

[lexlives]

Why would they need a new FX house ? no one ive heard complain about the movie has complained about SR's effects and casting changes aren't gonna happen on a sequel,surely not suggesting recasting Superman,Lois or Lex


No one has complained about the FX? Yeah right, even at BT which complain about virtually nothing, till recently, that is a big issue. Check it out.

[Showtime]

Actually, I say the chaotic editing was part of the story. No way you can seperate it.


You can seperate the film from the screenplay, no doubt about it. The pacing of the screenplay is much different from the film, so in essence you can seperate the editing of the film from the pacing of the script. It's apples and oranges. Read the script.

[lexlives]

You can seperate the film from the screenplay, no doubt about it. The pacing of the screenplay is much different from the film, so in essence you can seperate the editing of the film from the pacing of the script. It's apples and oranges. Read the script.

So what then went so wrong?

[DorkyFresh]

But it was too much a downer and that is why it turned audiences off.

which audiences are you referring to? cuz...most of the people i talked to OFF the boards that saw the movie ended up liking it. 3 or 4 said it was 'okay'...none of them said it was BAD.

[The Incredible Hulk]

The way kryptonite is used as a lame plot device on Smallville is bad writing.


Nice argument there. What the hell does the writing on Smallville have to do with the topic at hand?

This was showing the most extreme extent of what Superman's powers can do and this obviously isnt the Bryne depowered version.

Superman's powers cant ignore kryptonite, never have never will. Even the ridiculously over-powered Supes would succomb to it. And of course it's not Byrne's Superman, Byrne came after Superman the movie, so it doesnt exist in Singer's mind.


It's BRILLIANT writing. Superman represents the power of selfless good and how it can overcome any obstacle, even your greatest weakness. It was amazingly done and at the perfect moment, saving the world he loves. If you want hard facts and unchallengable statistics, be a baseball fan... not a movie fan.


if by "brilliant" you mean horribly inconsistent, then yes it was "brilliant".

When you have Superman almost unable to stand from the kryptonite on the island in one scene therefor establishing it's effect on him in the universe the movie created, and then later on he can pick up that very same island (after a shiv of it was wedged into his back) and toss it into space, it seems a bit ridiculous and pulls you completely out of the story. Superman can't "will himself" to not be effected by Kryptonite. Superman doesnt beat Kryptonite by being selfless or a really good guy.

[lexlives]

[/I]




heh thats cause Smallville actually makes the WB money, and doesn't lose money like SR.
I agree they show him in the suit a few times or in the last episode alone, and the dvd sales on that season will be amazing!
it's clear who's this generations Superman... :word:

It is - but its not Welling - its that SV, with all its faults, created far more interesting characters. Especialy Lex.

Why WB allowed Singer to do this Lex caricature is beyond me.

I am sure SV has made far more money that SR for WB.

Smart move IMO - kill a potentila SR sequel and try to launch a Metropolis TV series. New actors to be sure - they want to move on.

That said, Welling - whom I have criticized no end, has far more presence and acting skills than Routh.

The Teen Awards a while back said it all - there is not there there with Routh.

[mego joe]

which audiences are you referring to? cuz...most of the people i talked to OFF the boards that saw the movie ended up liking it. 3 or 4 said it was 'okay'...none of them said it was BAD.

Just the opposite, for me, I only know of one person that said they liked it, the other people I've spoken to thought it was awful or heard as much and didn't go see it.

[bosef982]

Just the opposite, for me, I only know of one person that said they liked it, the other people I've spoken to thought it was awful or heard as much and didn't go see it.

This really isn't the place to continue these discussions. This is about the sequel, not Superman Returns. Go there if you wish to discuss that movie. If not, you are in the wrong forum.

[Hunter Rider]

Dude, I saw the movie before you did and was saying my ideas about The Eradicator back then. No offense but I'm not going to fight people over things like this. You have no way of proving this anymore than I can....

From the get go though, I've been about pining the villian after Jason, most likely the Eradicator and his pure Kryptonian bloodline. Aligning Luthor with a goverment organization like the Cadmus Project that is working on a Superman project...and now becuase of his disappearance for five years. A more organic New Krypton gestating The Eradicator, which I wrote a brief script intro for. Brainiac not being a person but a construction that reconstructs the Fortress of Solitude and takes it over. Richard dying and perhaps bonding with the Eradicator....

Since the movie was released on June 30th, I was talking about these ideas with Seen and The Guard.

I hate when people start trying to take credit for ****. It's impossible on the internet.

Ok Bo this is a joke right ? i mean surely you got with all the smilies and subsequent posts that me and Showy were just messing around

No one has complained about the FX? Yeah right, even at BT which complain about virtually nothing, till recently, that is a big issue. Check it out.

Other than the post below me here from Crooklyn ive never seen anyone complain about the FX

No, not necessarily complaints...but I admit it could've been better. It took a second viewing, but I can pretty much tell when a cgi Supes is being used as opposed to Routh. That shouldn't be the case less than a year after a film is out.

Take POTC2 for example. I bet you there are still people out there that believe Davey Jones was 80% prosthetics. ILM and WETA are much more suited for this type of work, especially if we're to assume the sequel will feature more action. Sony Imageworks is pretty good....but they're not the best.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I really cant wait for this sequel, being a huge fan of SR i can see things only getting better, though i do wish the sequel is as long as SR.

And people complaining about the effects in SR are crazy!

[Showtime]

Dude, I saw the movie before you did and was saying my ideas about The Eradicator back then. No offense but I'm not going to fight people over things like this. You have no way of proving this anymore than I can....

From the get go though, I've been about pining the villian after Jason, most likely the Eradicator and his pure Kryptonian bloodline. Aligning Luthor with a goverment organization like the Cadmus Project that is working on a Superman project...and now becuase of his disappearance for five years. A more organic New Krypton gestating The Eradicator, which I wrote a brief script intro for. Brainiac not being a person but a construction that reconstructs the Fortress of Solitude and takes it over. Richard dying and perhaps bonding with the Eradicator....

Since the movie was released on June 30th, I was talking about these ideas with Seen and The Guard.

I hate when people start trying to take credit for ****. It's impossible on the internet.

Bosef...take it down a notch, it was a joke between Hunter and I.

For the record it doesn't matter if it was your idea or not, if they went forward with this, it would be their idea.

[bosef982]

Bosef...take it down a notch, it was a joke between Hunter and I.

For the record it doesn't matter if it was your idea or not, if they went forward with this, it would be their idea.

True. But how do you know that...I'm not one of them????

[Showtime]

True. But how do you know that...I'm not one of them????

Well I know you're not Mike D, and which one would you be?

I already sent the Eradicator idea to Mike months ago, not sure if he read it or not. He's a busy man.

[bosef982]

Well I know you're not Mike D, and which one would you be?

I already sent the Eradicator idea to Mike months ago, not sure if he read it or not. He's a busy man.

I've talked to Dan a few times and there is an idea, a caveat, not to listen to any fan ideas because of intellectual copyright issues. It's a tricky balance for them.

But like I said, no one here can claim how/what/when with these ideas. I think I'm going to write up a treatment of my ideas and place it out there and that'll be my contribution to these entire fanfare. If you read my posts carefully, you'd see where I'd go.

[Showtime]

I've talked to Dan a few times and there is an idea, a caveat, not to listen to any fan ideas because of intellectual copyright issues. It's a tricky balance for them.

But like I said, no one here can claim how/what/when with these ideas. I think I'm going to write up a treatment of my ideas and place it out there and that'll be my contribution to these entire fanfare. If you read my posts carefully, you'd see where I'd go.

I know of the so called "caveat", but they actually do listen to fans, lifting an idea wouldn't happen though. They wouldn't go with that Eradicator story anyway, although I do quite like it.

Don't forget they actually used a fan poster visual for a shot in the teaser and a similar shot in the movie.

Any ideas that are posted on a public board are fair game. I never post any ideas, writing samples, or artwork associated with any of my projects on the boards. It's all public domain.

[bosef982]

I know of the so called "caveat", but they actually do listen to fans, lifting an idea wouldn't happen though. They wouldn't go with that Eradicator story anyway, although I do quite like it.

Don't forget they actually used a fan poster visual for a shot in the teaser and a similar shot in the movie.

Any ideas that are posted on a public board are fair game. I never post any ideas, writing samples, or artwork associated with any of my projects on the boards. It's all public domain.

Same here. I'll post a fan-script or a treatment to a otheriwse owned property (i.e. Superman, tomb raider) because I don't own the work in the end anyways...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Showtime, Bosef, are you guys saying you know Mike Dougherty and Dan Harris?

If so who is the god damn sequel Villain? Please. :yay:

[dark_b]

are you guys really fighting ir is this a big joke?

[Showtime]

Heh Heh...We're not fighting at all.

[Showtime]

Same here. I'll post a fan-script or a treatment to a otheriwse owned property (i.e. Superman, tomb raider) because I don't own the work in the end anyways...

I'm with ya. :yay:

[GreenKToo]

Well, Lex is a gimme, so I dont think he was referring to him as being one of the two villains. The other two are trickier, most are thinking Brainiac and I agree with that. As for the second villain, lots of possibilities there. Doomsday(created by Brainiac to be his muscle against superman), or Darkseid (alerted by N.K.,he comes to earth), or Bizzaro(created by Lex from the Blood on the "K" shard), or Metallo(created by Brainiac and Lex.)

[TripXyDE]

All this anticipation for a new villain that would kick a$$ like Eradicator, Parasite, or Brainiac... even Doomsday

now Mike Dougherty reveals "It's [Mr.] Myxyzptlk" ???????

I'm not quite pleased.... what do u think???

[bosef982]

I like it! Especially since Jason is really Mr. Myxzpltk!

[double A-ron]

All this anticipation for a new villain that would kick a$$ like Eradicator, Parasite, or Brainiac... even Doomsday

now Mike Dougherty reveals "It's [Mr.] Myxyzptlk" ???????

I'm not quite pleased.... what do u think???

I think you need to learn what "tongue in cheek" means.

[Maze]

Ditto.

[Showtime]

Am I drunk?

[Maze]

Don't know but your eyes sure are red man :o :woot:
edit (more like orange actually lol:D )

[El Payaso]

When I first saw the interview I had this predictive headache.

[Maze]

When I first saw the interview I had this predictive headache.
lol it's there that i wan't Singer and his team to never EVER say jokingly " The twist ending? Superman die , and Jason become Super Jason" :o :woot:

[Showtime]

Don't know but your eyes sure are red man :o :woot:
edit (more like orange actually lol:D )

"Even though I was raised as a human being, I am still not one of them.":wow:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

"Even though I was raised as a human being, I am still not one of them.":wow:


"But they can be a great people if they wish to be."

[Showtime]

"But they can be a great people if they wish to be."

I am approaching your post count...I don't know if this is good or bad? :dry:

[green]

Id crack up if it really did turn out to be Mxy.
I actually think he could work.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I am approaching your post count...I don't know if this is good or bad? :dry:

i only visit now..

the posters of the hype have a new avanger to protect them..

i'm not really needed anymore.

[Showtime]

i only visit now..

the posters of the hype have a new avanger to protect them..

i'm not really needed anymore.

Who is this new avenger, bring him to me...:dry:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

his name..

Is HUNTER RIDER.

[Showtime]

his name..

Is HUNTER RIDER.

Hunter...the son of our jailor, bring him to me.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

he will never bow to you..never.

[Showtime]

This is true, I'm happy that Hunter and Mezheb have become MODS.

Maybe you are next Robo...

[echostation]

TripxYde... I am really really trying my hardest not to knock you... but do you not actually READ what people write? Have you not heard of tongue in cheek before? Or funny sarcastic humor... see this was the type of humor employed by Dougherty... try reading it again... this time, very verrrrrryy slowly so you get it? ok?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

This is true, I'm happy that Hunter and Mezheb have become MODS.

Maybe you are next Robo...

actually my friend..perhaps you are.

:up:

[Infinity9999x]

actually my friend..perhaps you are.

:up:

Perhaps both of you are:wow:

[The Punisher]

It's obivous Dougherty was joking no?

[Showtime]

Definately Punisher. He's joked about it before.

[The Punisher]

If it were Myxyzptlk, i'd fear for the sequel. :csad:

[DavidTyler]

Yeah... It's Myxy and the whole 'Returns' film was one of his practical jokes. With that in mind, if we get him to say his name backwards, do we get a 'do-again' with Returns?

[The Punisher]

I liked Superman Returns.

[Nokio]

As much as I prefer Welling to Routh, this idea doesn't work at all. If Singer didn't do what he did to Superman in Returns, with the kid and all, replace Routh wouldn't really be that big of a deal. Welling will just have to be on TV or wait until the opportunity to be Superman comes back after the Singer trilogy. I just don't see Welling being Superman on the big screen anytime soon, but he should have been Superman. You can compare Routh to Welling all you want and call Welling a robot, but Routh wasn't talented enough to land any kind of leading role on any successful show and Welling landed a huge WB pilot as his first acting gig and managed to carry a show 6 seasons so far, and a seventh is probably coming. Welling is also unquestionably a better physical example of how Superman should look, you know...not skinny.

I see Welling and his face is just weird to me. He looks to feminine and elf like. I guess his features are to pointy. I like Routh as Superman better, maybe but both of them need to hit the gym to be in the suit. Routh is terriably thin now, and the suit in the film was padded. You really couldn't get a bead on routh's muscularness because he remained clothed in the whole film pretty much except during the hospital scene were you say his chest breifly and it didn't look like the chest of Superman, but a regular joe. Although one has to question how the doctors could cut the suit, but the bullets did no damage??

Welling (dear god we're sitting here discussing a man's body) has the better body i guess, but the problem with Routh's body can be fixed with a personel trainer, and he certainly has the time before the sequel starts shooting to pack on a good amount of muscle, but I doubt Singer will have him do it. He's probably turned off by a to masculine Superman.

[larryfilmmaker]

When you have Superman almost unable to stand from the kryptonite on the island in one scene therefor establishing it's effect on him in the universe the movie created, and then later on he can pick up that very same island (after a shiv of it was wedged into his back) and toss it into space, it seems a bit ridiculous and pulls you completely out of the story. Superman can't "will himself" to not be effected by Kryptonite. Superman doesnt beat Kryptonite by being selfless or a really good guy.

Superman is a FAITH-based character. Like it or don't, that's up to you... you can hate him for it or get angry or not care or get mad at ME or whatever but that's just what he is. Based on all kinds of religious icons and pop icons (Jesus, Moses, Samson, Hercules), Superman's powers can't be measured and shouldn't be. Yes, he CAN "will" it because he's Superman, an "unstoppable force of good" (as Batman puts it). If it pulled you out of the moment when Superman saved the world from an island made of his greatest weakness then you either didn't catch the symbolism, sacrifice, or themes involved. No, it doesn't make physical sense... but neither does a 58 year old man lasting 10 rounds against the world heavy weight boxing champion (Rocky). It's about unbreakable will!


http://superman.ws/tales4/sand/1/-1.gif


(this is where you call me a fanboy)

[AgentPat]

(this is where you call me a fanboy):confused:

Aren't we all? Posting thousands of messages on a board called "Superhero Hype" kinda defines one as such, don't you think?

A fanboy defends something that's absolute **** just because he's a fanboy.

[Brainiac 8]

Superman lifting a island consisting of Kryptonite made about as much sense as him spinning the world backwards to reverse time.

He was kicked around by an old man and couldn't fight back because of the effects of the kryptonite island, yet two minutes later he can lift it, slowly I might add, all the way to space without ill affects? It was hack writing.

Kryptonite basically boils Superman's blood, it's not something he can overcome just by willing it; just like we can't will ourselves to not be affected if we swallowed rat poison. It's poison to him, and kills him...it's not just an inconvenience to him.:o :whatever:

[Brainiac 2009]

We don't know the extent of what this Superman can do using the most extreme level of his power (to the point where he would have killed himself). If Reeve's Superman was powerful enough to turn back time, this Superman (fully charged) may have been able to resist the effects of the substance for a short time (at the expense of his life of course). I don't think he intended to just let go of it above Earth, but his body just shut down. I guess that displayed the most extreme limit of this Superman's power.

If it wasnt for the sun exposure afterwards, he would have likely died.

It's definately not the Bryne Superman, but its somewhat consistant with the godlike power levels of the silver/bronze age Superman Donner based his stuff off of.

[blksuperman2]

Superman lifting a island consisting of Kryptonite made about as much sense as him spinning the world backwards to reverse time.

He was kicked around by an old man and couldn't fight back because of the effects of the kryptonite island, yet two minutes later he can lift it, slowly I might add, all the way to space without ill affects? It was hack writing.

Kryptonite basically boils Superman's blood, it's not something he can overcome just by willing it; just like we can't will ourselves to not be affected if we swallowed rat poison. It's poison to him, and kills him...it's not just an inconvenience to him.:o :whatever:

IMO the scene would have worked if he'd gone into the sun a la Our World's at War. There was no real transition between getting pummeled by ordinary dudes and then near death and lifting a huge kryptonite continent. I don't believe that the second he spent rechargeing was a good enough sell to the audience.:huh:

[Rorschach2012]

AH HELL NA (will smiths voice)

[Brainiac 2009]

IMO the scene would have worked if he'd gone into the sun a la Our World's at War. There was no real transition between getting pummeled by ordinary dudes and then near death and lifting a huge kryptonite continent. I don't believe that the second he spent rechargeing was a good enough sell to the audience.:huh:

You may have a point there, on the DVD they used Donner's "versimiltude" method to explain all this stuff scientifically....but I'd love to hear how they explain this.

[redcaped]

The only cyborg that should be in the new saga is Metallo.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Superman is a FAITH-based character. Like it or don't, that's up to you... you can hate him for it or get angry or not care or get mad at ME or whatever but that's just what he is. Based on all kinds of religious icons and pop icons (Jesus, Moses, Samson, Hercules),

That's great logic. Superman is like that, because you say he's like that. :confused: I see.....


Superman's powers can't be measured and shouldn't be. Yes, he CAN "will" it because he's Superman, an "unstoppable force of good" (as Batman puts it).

He cant will himself to not be affected by K "just because." Kryptonite and certain kinds of magic can due him in, and have for decades. They affect him physically, and cause his blood to boil. It's not some mental block that he has or some mistaken belief in.


If it pulled you out of the moment when Superman saved the world from an island made of his greatest weakness then you either didn't catch the symbolism, sacrifice, or themes involved. No, it doesn't make physical sense... but neither does a 58 year old man lasting 10 rounds against the world heavy weight boxing champion (Rocky). It's about unbreakable will!


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(this is where you call me a fanboy)

so your justification for it is Rocky Balboa? :confused: Congratulations, you've completely dumbfounded me and if I remember correctly in that comic Superman was given a cure for Kryptonite exposure he didnt just not want to be affected anymore....

I got the symbolism the writers were trying to convey but it was completely hollow based on their prior actions. They went out of their way in a previous scene to show us it's debilitating effects on him, and then without anything different occuring like him absorbing an insane amount of solar energy or something, he pretty much just ignores it and tosses a continent full of it into outer space. I guess Superman must have not had an unbreakable will in that scene where Lex and his goons were kicking him around like garbage. He sure looked like a stoppable force then. But I'm sure you'll tell me they were playing right into his hands or something?

[project13]

I've recently watched the JLU episode "Divided We Fall" and I was amazed at "Brainthor", a combination of Brainiac's intellect and Lex's hatred of Superman. I thought hey, if Brainiac's in the sequel, he would merge his body with Lex Luthor and destroy Superman.

[gdw]

You mean juts like the highky panned Lexiac in the 'Burton' scripts?

Granted, I didn't really get why that was so hated when it's been in the books so often, hell even in WHTtMoT

[Motown Marvel]

the whole idea of them merging came from the comic book "whatever happened to the man of tomorrow" by alan moore....one of the all time best superman stories.

[Zen Ith]

I've recently watched the JLU episode "Divided We Fall" and I was amazed at "Brainthor", a combination of Brainiac's intellect and Lex's hatred of Superman. I thought hey, if Brainiac's in the sequel, he would merge his body with Lex Luthor and destroy Superman.
Lexiac, not Brainthor. And I think that would be great.

[Kebab gud]

its Luthiac not Lexiac.. lexiac was something the fans made up because it sounds better...

[redcaped]

I've never seen a good story in comics, I think because their goal was to prolong everything no matter what. They are the basic idea and concept of how things work, that is why we need the movies. If you can think of a better way altering the characters and course of story won't be a problem. I like that idea of Brainiac taking Lex Luthor's body and probably the end of both. I have another suggeston, Darkseid should be Doomsday later on..both grey, tall, with rough skin.

[project13]

Darkseid/Doomsday hybrid. Not bad for a newbie.:woot:

[Superfreak]

Lexiac, not Brainthor. And I think that would be great.

I prefer Luniac myself

[Superfreak]

I've never seen a good story in comics, I think because their goal was to prolong everything no matter what. They are the basic idea and concept of how things work, that is why we need the movies. If you can think of a better way altering the characters and course of story won't be a problem. I like that idea of Brainiac taking Lex Luthor's body and probably the end of both. I have another suggeston, Darkseid should be Doomsday later on..both grey, tall, with rough skin.

no, doomsday should be what he was when they started with him. A beast that crawls out of some hole, and just wants to wrestle.

[redcaped]

Darkseid/Doomsday would bring more dramatic results and save unnecessary introduction of characters.

[Steelsheen]

well if there any wind to what JC is saying in another thread there could be a posibility of a "merger" between the two characters, since it seems they would both be featured in the sequel.

[theknightreturn]

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[mjbull23]

I'd be fine with just two villains in this next film, and maybe even hopefully, neither of them being Luthor. Quite frankly, I've grown tired of having Luthor make an appearance in every single cinematic superman release. I am suffering from Luthor overload... STM, Superman II, Superman IV, and now with Returns, not to mention his weekly appearances on Smallville. It's just too much.

Give Lex a rest, and them bring him back for the 3rd installment.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I think 3 could work. For those that haven't been here long I'll tell why (for the 1000th time lol)

You have Lex manipulating John Corben creating Metallo... Then you have Brainiac behind the scenes manipulating Lex.

[The Punisher]

^ Agreed. Those are the three villains I want to see as well. Especially Brainiac.

[Mr. Socko]

Singer will probably use Zod and Lex :|

[The Punisher]

I think Zod was already said NOT to be in the sequel.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Singer will probably use Zod and Lex :|


One thing is for sure, if for some crazy reason they only have Lex as a villain again... I will not be seeing the sequel.

Zod is not my first choice but if done right and updated it could be interesting. Kryptonian vs Kryptonian could make for great action.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

I'd like a set up for Darkseid...forgive me for my lack of comics knowledge, but I do remember on old Justice League episodes his hellish planet and Supes being stuck there...a nice way to end Singer's run, long as there's setup.

[storyteller]

No more of this superman vs evil superman crap. We saw it with 2 and 4. I wanna see them use real super villians with different powers(hell require some weird makeup). I dont wanna see superman match a guy power for power.

[dpm07]

Bizarro is a ridiculous villain that I could see Singer using. I'd like to see Brainiac. Metallo or Parasite as perhaps working for Luthor would be cool. It's possible that we'll see Bizarro though, based on Singer's liking of that character.

Ideally, a great idea would be a setup for Darkseid in a third film along with an introduction of Kara, but I don't think Singer has the talent or interest to pull it off.

[VenomsMom]

I think 3 could work. For those that haven't been here long I'll tell why (for the 1000th time lol)

You have Lex manipulating John Corben creating Metallo... Then you have Brainiac behind the scenes manipulating Lex.
Trust me....I have been paying attention. They should have did this in the first movie instead of continuing to make Lex a con artist hell bent on acquiring real estate, they need to make him more of a serious threat and well respected powerful figure in metropolis. He should have used the old ladie's money and started Lexcorp or already in the process of establishing that while supes was gone. Missed opportunity. He could have been working on technical weapons for defense contracts , ala Metallo, an army of cyborg robotics. Metallo would have been the first prototype and went rogue upon Supes return. This would have been exciting to see. Lex using Metallo to rid supes once and for all. All the qualities of Lex represented, sinister,intelligence, and greed.