The Official MOS Misc. Villians Thread

[Spike_x1]

superman go wolverine superman go wolverine superman go wolverine :oldrazz:

but seriously, how powerfull is the comic version of darkseid?
i only know the animated version..
essentialy a big angry phucker made of rock, much more powerfull than supes,
[until supermans near the sun, then they'd be more equal in strength]Linky (http://www.comicboards.com/newgods/view.php?trd=040620012237). And you can read Jimmy-san's debate with Godfart at the bottom of the page, further explaining how Superman and Doomsday survived being hit with Omega Beams (upon reading the book, I for one, thought it was obvious that 'Seid never intended to wipe DD from existence (he even goes so far as to specifically say that he wants DD's remains to be buried forever), but it's utterly astounding how many people insist that DD survived the full-on Omega Effect when it was obviously just heat beams that Darkseid was using).

Also of note is that Darkseid and the New Gods were not affected by the Crisis, so if Darkseid was that much more powerful than a pre-crisis Superman, why is it that some writers (Loeb anyone?) show a significantly weaker post-crisis Superman winning out? Even if they're fighting on the surface of the sun, Darkseid should still be able to swat him like a fly, or even simply erase the sun's radiation from Superman's body and then sneeze on him to kill him. I do admit that credit must go out to other writers who've done their best to try to correct these mistakes later on by saying that those defeats were merely avatars of Darkseid, only possessing a small fraction of 'Seid's true power, but that's just trying to cover up for the crappy writers who came before them.

[Lobo]

I'm hoping that Countdown restores Darkseid to prominence

[NotFadeAway]

Fun fact, Lex Luthor never uses the word 'real estate' in Superman Returns.

He doesn't need to!

[Steelsheen]

Fun fact, Lex Luthor never uses the word 'real estate' in Superman Returns.

he used the word "Land" ;)

[BH/HHH]

I like that idea.

thanks :woot:

[Rorschach2012]

Hugo Weaving IS Braniac idk how anyone could think differently

[NotFadeAway]

Hey, I know this is off topic, but go to the Misc. Superman forum if you get a chance and vote yes or no on Eradicator as a possible origin villian one day!

[Showtime]

The Eradicator?

Sweet. I want him in the sequel.

[project13]

You want the villain(s) in the sequel, now show your dream cast.

Personally, I want these:

Milton Fine/Brainiac-Adrian Pasdar


http://z.about.com/d/tvdramas/1/0/S/D/hero-adrpas.jpg


John Corben/Metallo-Vin Diesel


http://www.gabbyattic3.com/truepix/vin%20diesel.jpg


Bizarro-Brian Krause


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1646/brianbabe5sa.jpg

He almost looks like Jim Lee's Superman whereas Routh does not, therefore he's Routh's opposite.


Darkseid-Michael Jai White

http://www.fightingmaster.com/films/tips/jai.jpg

If he can voice Doomsday in JLU, imagine a good job of what he would do as Darkseid.

[KOLLUS]

Linky (http://www.comicboards.com/newgods/view.php?trd=040620012237). And you can read Jimmy-san's debate with Godfart at the bottom of the page, further explaining how Superman and Doomsday survived being hit with Omega Beams (upon reading the book, I for one, thought it was obvious that 'Seid never intended to wipe DD from existence (he even goes so far as to specifically say that he wants DD's remains to be buried forever), but it's utterly astounding how many people insist that DD survived the full-on Omega Effect when it was obviously just heat beams that Darkseid was using).

Also of note is that Darkseid and the New Gods were not affected by the Crisis, so if Darkseid was that much more powerful than a pre-crisis Superman, why is it that some writers (Loeb anyone?) show a significantly weaker post-crisis Superman winning out? Even if they're fighting on the surface of the sun, Darkseid should still be able to swat him like a fly, or even simply erase the sun's radiation from Superman's body and then sneeze on him to kill him. I do admit that credit must go out to other writers who've done their best to try to correct these mistakes later on by saying that those defeats were merely avatars of Darkseid, only possessing a small fraction of 'Seid's true power, but that's just trying to cover up for the crappy writers who came before them.

thanks man.

[Spike_x1]

No problemo. :up:

[NotFadeAway]

The Eradicator?

Sweet. I want him in the sequel.


I'll tell ya a little secret of mine. I've always preferred Eradicator over Braniac as a nemesis for Superman.

[project13]

Aliright, you guys choose the villains, now you can cast them. I just started a thread "Cast SR2 Villains" so, why don't you guys check it out.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I'll tell ya a little secret of mine. I've always preferred Eradicator over Braniac as a nemesis for Superman.



so much for you're secret.:woot:

[terry78]

I think a Metallo would work fine, so long as they make him a little less designed like the Terminator so to differentiate.

[Showtime]

I'll tell ya a little secret of mine. I've always preferred Eradicator over Braniac as a nemesis for Superman.

I'm with you there man.

[DieSmiling]

Darkseid -- Michael Ironside

Braniac -- Hugo Weaving

[TheComicbookKid]

Brainiac- CGI(voiced by Gosling)

Brianiac Drone-Ryan Gosling

[Lobo]

For SR2

Brainiac-Liev Shrieber
Metallo-Kevin Bacon

For SR3

Mongul-Michael Clarke Duncan

[Sebastos]

Hugo Weaving would be a great Brainiac.

[NotFadeAway]

Jason Isaacs in a villian role would be nice!

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Bah I say. Eradicator/Darkseid for a 3rd film.

The 2nd needs Brainiac and Metallo. Ohhh baby a superfight against Metallo, with maybe even his synthetic flesh ripping off his face :D

[BareKnucklez]

My Villains wish list! heh

1. Darkseid / Micheal Clark Duncan http://www.ucmovie.com/images/cast/duncan-cast.jpg=http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/8051/darkseid.gif

2. Brainiac / Jeremy Irons = http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/jeremy_irons_eragon_10.jpg http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/7/7b/Brainiac%28STAS%29.jpg

heh I love how these guys act... :woot:

[dark_b]

i would make brainiac like SS. a organic metalic alien that transformed into a human when he came to earth.

voice mr smith.

[terry78]

Jason Issacs as Metallo would work. I could see that.

http://www.nndb.com/people/235/000051082/jason-isaacs.jpg

[darwinwins]

let's start with the basics and recast the main villain -- bryan singer.

[Spike_x1]

The Parasite - Adam Baldwin

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9105/derparasite8pi.jpg
http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/3497/bam1ph.jpg
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6046/uhohcombo4kd.jpg

http://www.browncoats.com/userimages/403800780b004/serenitybanner1.jpg
http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/57/25/0000035725_20061113110737.jpg?

Sorry about the size of the pics

[Kabuki_Jo]

let's start with the basics and recast the main villain -- bryan singer.


lol:D
agreed.

[Timstuff]

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/x2-singer.jpg

Continuity man! :eek:

[BH/HHH]

Darkseid -- Michael Ironside

Braniac -- Hugo Weaving

Agree 100%, if Ironside wasn't up for darkseid Id get Ron perlman

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Metallo- Jason Statham

Brainiac- voiced by Keifer Sutherland

[dark_b]

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/x2-singer.jpg

Continuity man! :eek:
power: to confuse you :woot:

[Showtime]

His powers include to the ability to wipe out history as we know it and create a vague history.

[BareKnucklez]

let's start with the basics and recast the main villain -- bryan singer.
haha agreed 100% :up::p

His powers include to the ability to wipe out history as we know it and create a vague history.

hahaha good one! :woot:

[NotFadeAway]

Ive actually alwyas liked Jason Isaacs for Lex Luthor, with an American accent of course!

[DieSmiling]

...been so underutilized on film?

Compare it with Batman: over the course of five films we've gotten various interpretations of 10 members of the rouge's gallery (The Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, The Riddler, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane, Ra's Al Ghul, and Scarecrow).

The Spider-Man Series has featured five over three films (Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Green Goblin II, Sandman, and Venom).

But what have we gotten from Superman? Zod, Nuclear Man, and a comupter hacker? Lex Luthor ten thousand times?

How, over the course of five films, have they never used Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, Darkseid, Mongul, Eradicator, or Doomsday?

[Immortalfire]

His powers include to the ability to wipe out history as we know it and create a vague history.

:up:

[terry78]

His villains aren't just as known as Batman's, who are all pretty much pop culture icons. Only a handful of people would know most of Supes' enemies aside from Luthor, but nowadays Parasite, Bizzaro, Darkseid and Metallo are pretty much the most popular aside from Lex.

[Showtime]

Under-utilized? Non, Ursa, Nuclearman? Come on!

[Thespiralgoeson]

...been so underutilized on film?

Compare it with Batman: over the course of five films we've gotten various interpretations of 10 members of the rouge's gallery (The Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, The Riddler, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane, Ra's Al Ghul, and Scarecrow).

The Spider-Man Series has featured five over three films (Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Green Goblin II, Sandman, and Venom).

But what have we gotten from Superman? Zod, Nuclear Man, and a comupter hacker? Lex Luthor ten thousand times?

How, over the course of five films, have they never used Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, Darkseid, Mongul, Eradicator, or Doomsday?

Luthor and Zod were sufficient for the first two films. Superman III and IV were obviously disasters, and the less said about them the better. As for SR, yeah it would've been great to see a villain like Brainiac. But frankly I don't think Singer has it in him to try to give us a villain like Doomsday or Darkseid. I'm not complaining about that, however, because honestly I've always thought Doomsday was a lousy villain anyway, and Darkseid really isn't a Superman villain at all, but a DCU villain. Personally, I'd love to see Brainiac in the next film, and then Hank Henshaw in the third.

[Dope Nose]

the word is "rogue".

[Steelsheen]

Why has Superman's rouge's gallery been so underutilized on film?

because the writers cant see beyond Donner's films :o

[Fried Gold]

the word is "rogue".

Why has Superman's rouge's gallery been so underutilized on film?http://secretunicornsforum.com/forum/images/smiles/kidsthesedays.jpg

[Steelsheen]

hey i just copy pasted the thread title. you know what i mean.

[superbaby]

you have forgotten...

"KYRPTONITEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

and that was being used zillion times...

[The Overlord]

It is also a matter of special effects, in the 80s, it would have been very hard to to certain villains like Metallo, Brainiac, Parasite, etc appear on the silver screen. other villains like Toyman could have been done, but wouldn't have been able to carry a whole movie. Lex and Zod were the best villains that could be used at the time. However I thin it was a shame they didn't use Bizzaro in a sequel, who could have easily replaced Nuclear man.

As for modern times, why we didn't see parasite or Metallo in SR, just seems like laziness.

[FlawlessVictory]

Hasn't Donner mentioned before that had he stayed on the franchise he would have used Brainiac for Superman 3? Regardless, I would love to see a new villain in the sequel to SR, I'm so tired of Lex and his goofy real estate plans. SR should have just had Superman returning to a world where Lex was the head of LexCorp and in the process we could have gotten Metallo. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if we just got Lex and Zod again for the sequel to SR. :csad:

[Lobo]

The more I think about it, i really want to see Henshaw on film, I've alwys liked him much more than brainiac

http://captain.custard.org/geo_old/pictures/cyborg2-1.jpg

[Brian Braddock]

It is also a matter of special effects, in the 80s, it would have been very hard to to certain villains like Metallo, Brainiac, Parasite, etc appear on the silver screen. other villains like Toyman could have been done, but wouldn't have been able to carry a whole movie. Lex and Zod were the best villains that could be used at the time. However I thin it was a shame they didn't use Bizzaro in a sequel, who could have easily replaced Nuclear man.

As for modern times, why we didn't see parasite or Metallo in SR, just seems like laziness.


If Cameron was able to give us a convincing stop-motion Terminator endo-skeleton in 1984 on a paltry budget of just $6.5 million, I'm pretty sure that they had the means to do Brainiac or Metallo - certainly for SIII or IV at least.

The funny thing about what you said about Nuclear Man being replaced by Bizarro (not sure if you're aware of this) is that there was originally a differnent Nuclear Man, who was very similiar to Bizarro in both looks (facially - not costume wise) and personality but after a disastous test-screening, they changed him in favour of Mark Pillow a.k.a. Nuclear Man v.2.

And as for the 'just seems like laziness' thing - I disagree - they have the resources to put any villain up their on-screen, they just didnt want to.

There's a difference between not including a character in a film because he doesnt appeal to you, and straight up laziness............

[terry78]

Comes back to the Raimi/Venom thing. If Singer is only going to give us a new villain because we ask and he doesn't really want to, what's to stop him from half assing it like Raimi?

[The Overlord]

If Cameron was able to give us a convincing stop-motion Terminator endo-skeleton in 1984 on a paltry budget of just $6.5 million, I'm pretty sure that they had the means to do Brainiac or Metallo - certainly for SIII or IV at least.

The funny thing about what you said about Nuclear Man being replaced by Bizarro (not sure if you're aware of this) is that there was originally a differnent Nuclear Man, who was very similiar to Bizarro in both looks (facially - not costume wise) and personality but after a disastous test-screening, they changed him in favour of Mark Pillow a.k.a. Nuclear Man v.2.

And as for the 'just seems like laziness' thing - I disagree - they have the resources to put any villain up their on-screen, they just didnt want to.

There's a difference between not including a character in a film because he doesnt appeal to you, and straight up laziness............


The Terminator robot was only in the flim for the last few minutes and did nothing besides chasing Sara around, it engage in a full fight with someone. plus it wasn't very impressive, in the end. There is no way you make a Brainiac or a Metallo with 80s special affects that could engage in specutalar battles with Supes. It is likely better that they didn't use those 2 in the 80s, they can be done way better now.

However not using Bizzaro was a sin, they should have ditched nuclear Man or the Evil Superman in part III and just went with Bizzaro. A few minor changes and Bizzaro could have been a very tragic and terrifying character, far more insteresting than the Bizzarro knock offs we got in III and IV

Also when i refer to laziness, I refer to fact Singer just rehashed SM-I with SR and added nothing of his own.

[matthooper]

The funny thing about what you said about Nuclear Man being replaced by Bizarro (not sure if you're aware of this) is that there was originally a differnent Nuclear Man, who was very similiar to Bizarro in both looks (facially - not costume wise) and personality but after a disastous test-screening, they changed him in favour of Mark Pillow a.k.a. Nuclear Man v.2.



Actually the nuclear man you are talking about was Lex's first flawed attempt at Nuclear Man. A bad attempt at humor. The scene is on YouTube. That was just a cut scene and never the real Nuclear Man.

[Matt]

[El Payaso] Why do you want to sacrifice quality? Do you like crap? Thats great. Your taste sucks. Bryan Singer pwnz. Die[/El Payaso] :cwink: I kid! I kid!

[Matt]

Hasn't Donner mentioned before that had he stayed on the franchise he would have used Brainiac for Superman 3? Regardless, I would love to see a new villain in the sequel to SR, I'm so tired of Lex and his goofy real estate plans. SR should have just had Superman returning to a world where Lex was the head of LexCorp and in the process we could have gotten Metallo. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if we just got Lex and Zod again for the sequel to SR. :csad:

Oh geez, Pre-Crisis Brainiac on film would've sucked beyond belief.

[Steelsheen]

well, that computer behemoth in Superman 3 was Brainiac-like, in the crudest sense of course.

[WormyT]

The more I think about it, i really want to see Henshaw on film, I've alwys liked him much more than brainiac

http://captain.custard.org/geo_old/pictures/cyborg2-1.jpg

I can't see Cyborg Superman in the movies. Hes a cool character and I can't wait for the Sinestro Wars (this July) but to the general public that would be 2 cyborg villains. One with exoskeleton and kryptonite heart, the other with kryptonian flesh and robotics. Sure Henshaw can control machines but you can bet when they have Metallo on screen he'll also have that abillity.
of course their origins are different but they seem too similar to have each in thier own movie.

[Dope Nose]

not to mention that Henshaw's origin is essentially the same as that of the Fantastic Four.

[darkseid26]

brainiac-Hugo Weaving

darkseid-micheal clark duncan

[Showtime]

Alot of the casting is pretty similar, Hugo Weaving for Brainiac seems to be the standard. Is that the top choice for most.

Anybody else out there?

[WormyT]

not to mention that Henshaw's origin is essentially the same as that of the Fantastic Four.

Is it?
if memory serves me well he WAS in space like them..however he put his consciousness into a computer before he died as a result of what Superman did accidentally.
I couldn't be arsed going through my collection to check.
:p

[Lighthouse]

...been so underutilized on film?

Compare it with Batman: over the course of five films we've gotten various interpretations of 10 members of the rouge's gallery (The Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, The Riddler, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane, Ra's Al Ghul, and Scarecrow).

The Spider-Man Series has featured five over three films (Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Green Goblin II, Sandman, and Venom).

But what have we gotten from Superman? Zod, Nuclear Man, and a comupter hacker? Lex Luthor ten thousand times?

How, over the course of five films, have they never used Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, Darkseid, Mongul, Eradicator, or Doomsday?


To be honest, Superman's villians kinda suck. The two heroes you compared him to, Spider-Man and Batman, have the best rogues galleries in comics. Mainly because they not only fight their heroes on a physical level, but a psychological level as well. Most of Superman's villians are just fought on a physical level, except for Luthor, Brainiac, and Zod(You could also count Darkseid I guess, but his backstory is really complicated). I think Brainiac would be the next logical choice.

[TheComicbookKid]

I like the Kiefer Sutherland voice idea. His voice in Phone Booth was great.


My concern with Brainiac is the look. None of them are that good to me.

[The Overlord]

I like the Kiefer Sutherland voice idea. His voice in Phone Booth was great.


My concern with Brainiac is the look. None of them are that good to me.

I say just use robotics and CGI to bring Brainiac on screen and have someone like Kiefer Sutherland give Brainiac his voice. Taking a well known actor, shaving his head and giving him green makeup would look silly, IMO.

[TheComicbookKid]

I mean the character's actual look.

The T2 version is too wimpy looking.
The Animated Series version needs more "cowbells" (it was a simple design for animation purposes)
The green-skinned scientist looks like a Lex Luthor rip. (Supes hates baldness:yay: )

They may need to come up with a whole new design. The animated series is good starting point though.

The ship can stay the same imo.

[The Overlord]

I mean the character's actual look.

The T2 version is too wimpy looking.
The Animated Series version needs more "cowbells" (it was a simple design for animation purposes)
The green-skinned scientist looks like a Lex Luthor rip. (Supes hates baldness:yay: )

They may need to come up with a whole new design. The animated series is good starting point though.

The ship can stay the same imo.

What about the B-13 look?

[superbaby]

To be honest, Superman's villians kinda suck. The two heroes you compared him to, Spider-Man and Batman, have the best rogues galleries in comics. Mainly because they not only fight their heroes on a physical level, but a psychological level as well. Most of Superman's villians are just fought on a physical level, except for Luthor, Brainiac, and Zod(You could also count Darkseid I guess, but his backstory is really complicated). I think Brainiac would be the next logical choice.
it depends the creativity of the director and the script writter to make them work. i think batman & spiderman's villains are just as suck as superman's.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Once people tuned into TAS they saw Superman has worthy villains.

Metallo and Brainiac were done correctly and fans ate it up. Also Darkseid and Parasite were done quite well. It's not the villains, it's the execution and if there is a lack of modernizing what's been done... It will fail.

[The Kid]

Who wants to see citywide battles when you can see the villain toss his wig at kids?

pfft.

[Qwerty©]

Why has Superman's rouge's gallery been so underutilized on film?

because the writers cant see beyond Donner's films :oYou have no evidence to make that claim. You don't know the writers, or what they have planned.

[The Kid]

[El Payaso] Why do you want to sacrifice quality? Do you like crap? Thats great. Your taste sucks. Bryan Singer pwnz. Die[/El Payaso] :cwink: I kid! I kid!

can I play matty?

Oh showtime I love you. Mmmmm let me kiss your buttox cheeks. Yes, I must bear the burden of bashing everything in returns as if it were catwoman. Showtime, my love we're the only ones who really add anything to this board. Marry me!

[superbaby]

Who wants to see citywide battles when you can see the villain toss his wig at kids?

pfft.
lol.

[Steelsheen]

You have no evidence to make that claim. You don't know the writers, or what they have planned.

i've seen the last thing they've done, that's what i'm basing my opinion on.

whatever they have planned for the sequel, i want them-- no i'm BEGGING them-- to prove me wrong.

[Showtime]

It seems that Dougherty and Harris are looking to pull major villian(s) from the Rogues gallery this time. They said something lik, "Superman is only as good as his villians.."

[FlawlessVictory]

It seems that Dougherty and Harris are looking to pull major villian(s) from the Rogues gallery this time. They said something lik, "Superman is only as good as his villians.."

I'm still nervous that we will end up just getting Lex and Zod for this one. I can't forget at San Diego ComicCon last year when Singer was there and he was asked who would appear as the villain in the next film. Of course, he was elusive and didn't really answer, but then he asked the crowd, "Who wants to see Zod?" and there was cheering and clapping. If that's anything to go by, then prepare for more, "Kneel before Zod". :csad:

[C. Lee]

Who wants to see citywide battles when you can see the villain toss his wig at kids?
I'd rather see him toss his wig than his cookies.

[Showtime]

I'm still nervous that we will end up just getting Lex and Zod for this one. I can't forget at San Diego ComicCon last year when Singer was there and he was asked who would appear as the villain in the next film. Of course, he was elusive and didn't really answer, but then he asked the crowd, "Who wants to see Zod?" and there was cheering and clapping. If that's anything to go by, then prepare for more, "Kneel before Zod". :csad:

These guys have a very teasing sense of humor. I think that they like to mess with the fans. Sometimes we take things so seriously, and they know that, being fans themselves.

[FlawlessVictory]

These guys have a very teasing sense of humor. I think that they like to mess with the fans. Sometimes we take things so seriously, and they know that, being fans themselves.

Oh yea, you're right. Normally, I wouldn't pay too much attention or I could see that it was just teasing. The difference here is that wasn't Singer really trying to get Zod in SR? He seemed to really like the character. Plus throw in the fact that SR was the homage/rehash of S:TM and who knows, we might just get SR2 as an homage/rehash of Superman 2! :wow::woot:

[TheComicbookKid]

But Zod kind of made sense as a SR villain in a creepy way. In Donner's Cut he was put back in the Phantom Zone so he could just have escaped again. And in the regular version, didn't he just fall beneath the Fortress? The movie was basically Superman 2.5 anyway.

[Showtime]

Actually I think if they put Zod in Superman Returns it could have worked out great. Returning from the depths of the Fotress to confront Lex or later Superman. That would have been fine.

[FlawlessVictory]

Would have been fine if Singer and Co. were going for a direct sequel to Superman 2 but they weren't. That would have just caused even more confusion. As it stands, only some events from Superman 2 are part of the history in SR. And its not even really events but more like ideas such as the idea of Superman sleeping with Lois but not necessarily what we saw in Superman 2. And the idea that Lex visited the FOS but once again, not necessarily like we saw in S2.

[TheComicbookKid]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1618/401pxsupesy2kcm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Part of the problem for me with the B-13 look is that he looks evil. Brainiac should look non threatening before he reveals his plot. His size in comparison to Routh should be taken into account. He shouldn't look like a bald man in make-up, but not a behemoth either. He needs to be bigger than him to be a challenge. I sound crazy I know!lol:yay:

I know that's an exaggeration of their size relationship in the pic.

[Showtime]

Would have been fine if Singer and Co. were going for a direct sequel to Superman 2 but they weren't. That would have just caused even more confusion. As it stands, only some events from Superman 2 are part of the history in SR. And its not even really events but more like ideas such as the idea of Superman sleeping with Lois but not necessarily what we saw in Superman 2. And the idea that Lex visited the FOS but once again, not necessarily like we saw in S2.

Well if Zod were to be included it would be more of a direct sequel, and this is the direction they must have been originally going since Zod was on the radar. If they were to go with Zod it would be an entirely different movie or sequel anyway with the vague being less vague.

If you want to be a peacemaker, you've gotta learn to kick ass.

[Superfreak]

Bizarro-Brian Krause


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1646/brianbabe5sa.jpg

He almost looks like Jim Lee's Superman whereas Routh does not, therefore he's Routh's opposite.





It never fails. However many time I tell you P13, you will never understand. BIZARRO IS A CLONE OF SUPERMAN: THAT MEANS, ONLY THE PERSON WHO IS PLAYING SUPERMAN, CAN PLAY BIZARRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if the actor playing bizarro is not that which is playing superman.... then you just end up with nuclear man, AGAIN!!!!.

We are all superman fans here, but it just seems like some of you don't know who some of the characters actually are.

[terry78]

Routh in some Rick Baker makeup made to look like a deformed version of himself would be great. So long as he can play the part.

[TheComicbookKid]

Exactly. It was aluded to that Lex went to Fortress before. All they needed to do was explain how Zod survived the drop into the Fortress.

But Whatever. No Zod. New Villain. Man of Steel. Go.:woot:

[Darth Elektra]

I'm glad to hear Bryan say "villianS".

[Spike_x1]

I know that's an exaggeration of their size relationship in the pic.Not really. ;)

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9771/brainiac81ob9.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1921/brainiac72zg1.jpg

[Lobo]

More I think about it,the more I want this look for Brainiac

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b5/250px-SupermanCv219.jpg

[The Overlord]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1618/401pxsupesy2kcm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Part of the problem for me with the B-13 look is that he looks evil. Brainiac should look non threatening before he reveals his plot. His size in comparison to Routh should be taken into account. He shouldn't look like a bald man in make-up, but not a behemoth either. He needs to be bigger than him to be a challenge. I sound crazy I know!lol:yay:

I know that's an exaggeration of their size relationship in the pic.

Jeeze you are hard to please, Brainiac has at least 4 different looks, I'm sure they could combine and play around with those concepts to create something awesome on screen.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'm glad to hear Bryan say "villianS".

Yea, Lex and Zod. :ninja:

[terry78]

As long as Brainiac doesnt' end up looking like a Borg, I'm good. They need to do what they did with Davy Jones and have someone don a mo cap suit and CGI his ass.

[Showtime]

I would be shocked to all ends if Zod was put in a Returns sequel.

[Steelsheen]

I would be shocked to all ends if Zod was put in a Returns sequel.

you gotta brace yourself for the possibility that it MIGHT happen.

remember last year's comic con? you heard the recording Justin uploaded in BTN, hearing how people supposedly cheered when someone yelled out "ZOD!"? all i'm saying is we'd better brace ourselves for that possibility in the event that the writers takes that as a mistakened approval from the fans and writes Zod into the sequel.

[FlawlessVictory]

you gotta brace yourself for the possibility that it MIGHT happen.

remember last year's comic con? you heard the recording Justin uploaded in BTN, hearing how people supposedly cheered when someone yelled out "ZOD!"? all i'm saying is we'd better brace ourselves for that possibility in the event that the writers takes that as a mistakened approval from the fans and writes Zod into the sequel.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[C. Lee]

you gotta brace yourself for the possibility that it MIGHT happen.

remember last year's comic con? you heard the recording Justin uploaded in BTN, hearing how people supposedly cheered when someone yelled out "ZOD!"? all i'm saying is we'd better brace ourselves for that possibility in the event that the writers takes that as a mistakened approval from the fans and writes Zod into the sequel.

I'm afraid that you're right. As much as I want to see something new brought to the playground....be prepared for a rerun.

[Showtime]

you gotta brace yourself for the possibility that it MIGHT happen.

remember last year's comic con? you heard the recording Justin uploaded in BTN, hearing how people supposedly cheered when someone yelled out "ZOD!"? all i'm saying is we'd better brace ourselves for that possibility in the event that the writers takes that as a mistakened approval from the fans and writes Zod into the sequel.

All I am hearing is Braniac, Braniac, Braniac. I don't see how Zod plays into it, but stranger things of happened.

[Kevin Roegele]

The Superman franchise has had some great villains....

http://www.supermaniii.com/siiiweb/siiifight2.jpg

http://www.supermanii.com/siiweb/siizzm108.jpg

http://www.supermanii.com/siiweb/siitree2.jpg

http://www.moviecitynews.com/arrays/images/2005/superman/lex.jpg

http://www.supermaniii.com/siiiweb/siiiz33.jpg

[Showtime]

I can't see the 1st and the last Kev.

[Sebastos]

More I think about it,the more I want this look for Brainiac

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b5/250px-SupermanCv219.jpg

That's a good look for him and I loved that cover. :up:

[The Overlord]

The Superman franchise has had some great villains....

http://www.supermaniii.com/siiiweb/siiifight2.jpg

http://www.supermanii.com/siiweb/siizzm108.jpg

http://www.supermanii.com/siiweb/siitree2.jpg

http://www.moviecitynews.com/arrays/images/2005/superman/lex.jpg

http://www.supermaniii.com/siiiweb/siiiz33.jpg


The movies had two good villains, Lex and Zod, the rest were rubbish. Evil Superman is a bad Bizzaro knock off and the less said about Nuclear Man the better. Zod was good, 78 Lex was good for his time, but was tired and outdated in 06. Ross weber was a Lex knock off and the "Ultimate Computer" was a Brainiac knock off. This film series needs new villains from the comics: stat, rather just recyling the same villains over and over again or using poor knock offs of comic book villains.

[merced]

The movies had two good villains, Lex and Zod the rest were rubbish. evil Superman is a bad Bizzaro knock off and trhe less said about Nuclear Maan the better. Zod was good, 78 Lex was good for his time, but was tired and outdated in 06. Ross weber was a Lex knock off and the "Ultimate Computer" was a Brainiac knock off. This film series needs new villains from the comics stat, rather just recyling the same villains over and over again or using poor knock offs of comic book villains.

Agree. I did not find Spacey quite right as Lex. I wish he'd done his own interpretation instead of copying Hackman.

[superbaby]

i find spacey didn't do good in SR. kinda fake and on the surface only.

[Steelsheen]

well Spacey did say that if there was a chance to do an over the top performance this would be it.

Spacey did ok with what material he was given. we all know that the man can deliver the goods. he just needs better material. we all need a better written Lex.

[Chelsea]

Superman's rogue's gallery is lame.

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

Superman's rogue's gallery is lame.

No that's not the problem.

The problem is $$$$$. All of Superman's villians except for Lex are not human. So it will take alot of CGI & be very expensive to put them on the screen properly. God forbid another disaster like the one with nuclear man! I'd rather watch Superman catch falling objects all day than have a poor adaptation of a super villian.

Lets all hope they do Brianiac & Metallo & get them right.

[mjbull23]

That is part of the problem to be sure. It's one thing to have an arch nemesis who tasks you and challenges you on an emotional level ..harken back to Spiderman 1..The Goblin playing MInd Games with Parker...and then at the end the great physical confrontation. Same thing with Batman and his nemesis'..Joker,,,Penguin...etc.. But from my limited understanding of Supes' villains.. it appears to be primarily a question of physical might... Cyborgs, Robots... Artificial Intelligiences... these all make for powerful adversaries to be sure...but there's not much substance to the characters other than impressive physical prowess.

This is why Zod remains my favorite of Supe's rogues gallery. He seems to fight Superman on all levels, emotionally and physically (most importantly ,there is an onscreen history between the two of them, that no other villain aside from Luthor can claim), this remains Zod's advantage over other members of the Supes Rogues gallery. You wouldn't have to spend as much time building up conflict between the characters because it's already embedded from the previous film. Besides, I want to see some closure (having Zod fall into the caverns below the FOS is a weak way to close out such a great villain)..

[Spike_x1]

Personally, I enjoy the psychology of many of the villains who want to be king of the mountain (Lex, the Parasite, Metallo, and Neutron are good examples), but there's also the ones who are genuinely disturbed (the Toyman, Bloodsport, Atomic Skull, and the Master Jailer) for those who enjoy the more psychological ones. And of course there're conquerers (Mongul, Brainiac, and Zod). So there is a good variety of baddies to choose from; plus the film makers can easily add some spice to the chosen villain's motivation and history, ala Sandman (SM3) or the Joker (B89).

I'm just hoping that it won't be Zod in the sequel, with his "kill the son of our jailer and rule the world" motif. That gets old kind of fast.

[dark_b]

No that's not the problem.

The problem is $$$$$. All of Superman's villians except for Lex are not human. So it will take alot of CGI & be very expensive to put them on the screen properly. God forbid another disaster like the one with nuclear man! I'd rather watch Superman catch falling objects all day than have a poor adaptation of a super villian.

Lets all hope they do Brianiac & Metallo & get them right.FF2 budget was enough for SS.

its not so expensive anymore.

[Showtime]

No that's not the problem.

The problem is $$$$$. All of Superman's villians except for Lex are not human. So it will take alot of CGI & be very expensive to put them on the screen properly. God forbid another disaster like the one with nuclear man! I'd rather watch Superman catch falling objects all day than have a poor adaptation of a super villian.

Lets all hope they do Brianiac & Metallo & get them right.

Well if Spiderman 3 can pull off Sandman, Venom, Green Goblin 2 along with Spiderman and CGI effects I think a Returns movie can pull of the CGI for Superman and a villian or two without the budget exploding like Krypton.

[superbaby]

Superman's rogue's gallery is lame.
it's the execution. spidey's & batman's are just as lame.

[GreenKToo]

I wouldnt really mind a cameo by zod. Get Terence Stamp to play him as an old, powerless Zod in prison.
As for as who I want as the MAIN villains, I would love to have Brainiac as the main one, and with Metallo as a secondary one. Lex is there as well, but this time he is in the background.

[Qwerty©]

Agree. I did not find Spacey quite right as Lex. I wish he'd done his own interpretation instead of copying Hackman.
Spacey said himself that he wasn't going to copy Hackman. So basically what you said doesn't make any sense.

If he had copied Hackman, I honestly believe we would've got a better performance, I loved Hackman's Lex.

[Metropolis_Man]

Well if Zod were to be included it would be more of a direct sequel, and this is the direction they must have been originally going since Zod was on the radar. If they were to go with Zod it would be an entirely different movie or sequel anyway with the vague being less vague.





Hey man, its "Dwyane, you gotta learn to kickass if you wanna be a peace maker." Please get right next time if you don't mind, Showoff.

[WhatsHisFace]

Darkseid: Nathan Jones.
http://www.ecwperth.com/rumours/images/wwa2002/wwa2002011.jpg

Brainiac: Robocop.
http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/robocop23.jpg

Bizarro: Brandon Routh on drugs. (Please never have Bizarro in a film)
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/owl4ever/VF_004.jpg

Doomsday: Michael J. Fox.
http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/fox-2.jpg

[mjbull23]

Well remember now, if we are continuing along the Singer Timeline of supposed events, whereby the events that took place in Superman 2 happened 5 years prior to his return to earth, then by that logic,

Zod would still be relatively young as opposed to some decripid old man rotting away in Jail. Let's just hypothetically assume he was ( 45?) in the events of Superman 2..so he could be perhaps 51 or 52 in this next film.

[Brian Braddock]

But, would I be right in thinking that the general audience (obviously I dont include us fanboys in that mix - we know better :cwink: ) probably dont know that Zod survived Superman II.

They wont have seen the restored international cut or know what Donner shot (i.e, the arrest) - as far as they're aware, he lost his powers and was thrown into the depths of the FOS, seemingly to his death.

Without seeing his arrest, they might find it hard to believe that without powers, he, Non and Ursa could survive in the antarctic for 5 years.

[Showtime]

Hey man, its "Dwyane, you gotta learn to kickass if you wanna be a peace maker." Please get right next time if you don't mind, Showoff.

Heh Heh.

Sorry Double M, I didn't mean to bungle such great dialogue. I will work on it.

[Metropolis_Man]

Heh Heh.

Sorry Double M, I didn't mean to bungle such great dialogue. I will work on it.

We all have room to learn.


What about Conduit guys? He could be thrown in the mix somehow. I would rather reserve the spot for a Parasite or Bizarro or Braniac though. Henshaw is one of my favorite villains but I can't see him working out in the film really. And as I've noticed Showtime mentioning before, ERADICATOR! He could work well in trying to destroy Jason, keeping the Kryptonian bloodline pure. Those were some of your words Mr. S29, no?

[Showtime]

I am a big champion of using The Eradicator in a sequel, I want to see this badly, but I wouldnt mind Conduit.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/ConduitKB.jpg/456px-ConduitKB.jpg

[mjbull23]

SuperBenitez -- Correct, but there is always a way to bring the audience up to speed and explain away the SMII "loose ending". We can still tie in the Lester ending, given it's at the expense of Donner's alternate ending, but since Lester's version was the Widely Released Verion, we will go down that route.

Ok, for argument's sake lets suppose we throw in a brief 10 minute intro sequence that begins with the camera panning around the cavernous depths of the FOS... and there we have it. Frozen in a cryogenic state we discover the petrified body of Zod, unconscious, coma-like, yet, seemingly intact and encased in Ice.

Something as quick and simple as that, and the audience could very quickly make the connection. OK, Zod somehow survived the fall.

[Spike_x1]

The horrible writing from Conduit's days make my cry. :csad:

However, if they can use Kenny Braverman/Conduit's name and origin, but portray him more or less like the Kryptonite Man, instead, then thing's would be a lot better than actually taking his character and personality straight from the page.

He has a great and interesting look to him (much, much better than the Kryptonite Man), admittedly, but his whole "Hunt down Clark Kent's loved ones" shtick was stupid.

[Showtime]

I agree. Let's see it.

[FlawlessVictory]

I am a big champion of using The Eradicator in a sequel, I want to see this badly, but I wouldnt mind Conduit.



I would love to see the Eradicator. He is the one reason why I would be forgiving of having the character of Jason in this series. Having the Eradicator act on Jason's Kryptonian impurity would make for a great story, IMO.

[storyteller]

Why supermans rouges have hardley found their way to the big screen?

Reeves movies are based of pre crisis. Most people enjoy the post crisis version of the villians. Singer chose not to modernize. Batmans rogues were popularized in the early 90's. Stas is the late 90's era. These kids wont have control over movies till 2020.

[Showtime]

I would love to see the Eradicator. He is the one reason why I would be forgiving of having the character of Jason in this series. Having the Eradicator act on Jason's Kryptonian impurity would make for a great story, IMO.

Exactly man.

In the distant past, a dying alien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life) race created a number of devices to preserve their culture and sent them into space where they would encounter other civilizations and link their colonies. When a small group of these aliens arrived on the planet Krypton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypton_%28comics%29), a militaristic faction, led by Kem-L, killed them and corrupted one of their devices to preserve his ideal of Kryptonian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypton_%28comics%29) culture; this device would eradicate alien influences, and hence Kem-L called it the "Eradicator."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/EradicatorSSF.jpg

[VenomsMom]

How about the the ever dangerous and threatening Toyman and Prankster. Superman would have his hands full.

[VenomsMom]

Nevermind. Prankster directed Superman returns.

[C. Lee]

Exactly man.

In the distant past, a dying alien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life) race created a number of devices to preserve their culture and sent them into space where they would encounter other civilizations and link their colonies. When a small group of these aliens arrived on the planet Krypton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypton_%28comics%29), a militaristic faction, led by Kem-L, killed them and corrupted one of their devices to preserve his ideal of Kryptonian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypton_%28comics%29) culture; this device would eradicate alien influences, and hence Kem-L called it the "Eradicator."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/EradicatorSSF.jpg

That does sound interesting....can't say I'm loving the suit though.

[Showtime]

That is the newest version of the suit.

[C. Lee]

I want to see a newer version.

[Showtime]

http://www.supermansupersite.com/eradicator1.jpg

[Showtime]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Eradicator1.jpg

[C. Lee]

Nah....that's just Supes in cool shades.

[Showtime]

http://captain.custard.org/geo_old/pictures/eradicator-1.jpg

[Showtime]

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/8/88/Theeradicator.jpg

[Steelsheen]

i hate mullet Superman.

[C. Lee]

i hate mullet Superman.
But......one of the best posters painted was of Mullet Supes flying in to save Lois from a hail of bullets......with his hair flowing along behind him like his cape.:csad:

[Steelsheen]

can you post that? i'd like to see it.

everything i've seen of mullet Superman i hated. even the one done by Alex Ross (and i'm a HUGE Ross fan).

[C. Lee]

Afraid not....my kid liked it and took it to his mom's house.

[mjbull23]

Wow. It's been quite some time since I've seen a pic of Mullet Supes. Apparently not long enough though. :cwink:

[Lighthouse]

*pictures Routh with a mullet and shakes head in shame*

[Showtime]

Focus people. I was trying to post pictures of the Eradicator. Not the damn mullett.

[Grinder]

Well, looks like Routh is going for the mullet look already:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns12/MakingMagicHappen01.jpghttp://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns12/MakingMagicHappen06.jpghttp://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns12/MakingMagicHappen07.jpg

LMAO!

[Showtime]

He looks like he put hair extensions on the back of his head.

[Showtime]

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20070612_will_kitty_kowalski_be_back_fo.html

Will Kitty Kowalski be back for Superman sequel?
Date : June 12, 2007 Posted By : Clint Morris

Parker Posey tells Moviehole that she hopes she gets to reprise her role as the ditzy Kitty Kowalski for the “Superman Returns” sequel.

“Oh I hope I’m in it”, Posey said in an interview for her new film “Broken English”. “Yeah, we’ll see if I’m in it. I don’t know if I am. I just talked to one of the writers last night and I meant to ask him.”

Rumours have it that “Superman: The Man of Steel”, due for release in 2009, will feature General Zod, Doomsday or Braniac in the scoundrel position. No word on Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) yet.

[DieSmiling]

i hate mullet Superman.

So do I.

[CLARKY]

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/8/88/Theeradicator.jpg
I think he would be a good choice. I'm in for the Eradicator. I like this suit a lot ; a mix between Superman and a kryptonian suit. And I think the philosophy of the eradicator would suit fine in the B.Singer's vision of things.
:up:

[ObakeTora]

I have a confession to make you guys. I have never seen this film, not once. I have seen only snippets, and that was when I walked out of the theaters. My main gripe was who they got to play Luthor, the compulsive self pleasureizer from American beauty! Why in the Hell of all peoples did you choose him to play the ****!!!? It makes no sense why they want to ruin such a great character with crappy villain sub plots and tired overweight easily beatable flabby actors like Spacy. You know why Superman's rogues go underused? Because of the conspiracy at WB. Remember those old Scooby Doo episodes where the plot usually consisted of a string of bank robberies where the property value would diminish so the ugly villain could buy it up for cheap yo finance his underground sweatshops? Yea, thats why Superman Returns got the lackluster villain support it deserved, so that way WB would tank and the evil landlord could buy all of the rights to DC for a song and a pack of chewing gum. Anyway, I'm tired of it all, Ive sat upright for too long and broccoli still tastes like broccoli!.

[Weadazoid]

I don't like the Eradicator if you are going to go with grand villains who are gonnar have a huge Physical throw down with Superman and are ALIEN in nature go with Brainiack or Darksied


If you go realism go with Parasite....cause for what ever reason the general public is OK with mutation in thease movies,but Parasite should have been used in Returns as Lex's henchman not the whacky land plot




Mettalo really bothers me cause our technology just ins't there yet and Superman is supposed to be based in this kinda reality.... hell the Terminator would get crushed by Superman even the T 1000 would get owned cause all SUperman would have to do is Freaze the guy with his breath then toss him into space.


and don't bing up Krypto...we saw it in the returns leave it out even if it is in Metallos chest place if we have to see Superman whither cause of the funky green glow....people may just walk out because of the bad taste left after returns

[Darth Elektra]

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20070612_will_kitty_kowalski_be_back_fo.html

Will Kitty Kowalski be back for Superman sequel?
Date : June 12, 2007 Posted By : Clint Morris

Parker Posey tells Moviehole that she hopes she gets to reprise her role as the ditzy Kitty Kowalski for the “Superman Returns” sequel.

“Oh I hope I’m in it”, Posey said in an interview for her new film “Broken English”. “Yeah, we’ll see if I’m in it. I don’t know if I am. I just talked to one of the writers last night and I meant to ask him.”

Rumours have it that “Superman: The Man of Steel”, due for release in 2009, will feature General Zod, Doomsday or Braniac in the scoundrel position. No word on Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) yet.

Sweet.

[mjbull23]

Well, looks like Routh is going for the mullet look already:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns12/MakingMagicHappen01.jpghttp://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns12/MakingMagicHappen06.jpghttp://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns12/MakingMagicHappen07.jpg


LMAO!


He's just prepping himself. Attempting to assimiliate himself to Canadian culture. Think outdoorsy woodsman...now he just needs some chipped teeth and moosehead beer.

[mjbull23]

ZOD!!! yesss!!!! :hyper: oh i do hope this is accurate.

[Darth Elektra]

Check out this fake trailer...
*Darkseid and Zod look pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NIFvrV4VP4

[Darth Elektra]

Brainiac:

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/103/superman20vs20brainiac2xu2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainiac_%28comics%29



Darkseid:

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2819/darkseidmd5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6660/250pxdarkseidpp3.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkseid

[Darth Elektra]

Metallo

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/3955/metallo2iu7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallo



Bizarro

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8783/bizarrohy0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro

[Darth Elektra]

Parasite

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/124/parasitedw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasite_(comics)


Eradicator

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7523/200pxeradicatorssfkv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradicator_(comics)

[Darth Elektra]

DARKSEID!!!!!!!!
http://www.sequart.com/superman/supermanVSdarkseid.jpg


The Eradicator

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/84/200px-EradicatorSSF.jpg



Brainiac

http://www.scifryguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/BrainiacRobotic.jpg



Parasite

http://www.stevekaufmanart.com/images/super_heroes/superman/sak_superman_vs_parasite.jpg



Metallo

http://members.aol.com/whoclix/metallo.gif

Great pics!

[dark_b]

brainiac that looks like liquid metal.
like silver surfer.

[Steelsheen]

Well, looks like Routh is going for the mullet look already:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns12/MakingMagicHappen01.jpghttp://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns12/MakingMagicHappen06.jpghttp://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns12/MakingMagicHappen07.jpg

Superfeatherdusterman.


http://www.moviehole.net/news/20070612_will_kitty_kowalski_be_back_fo.html

Will Kitty Kowalski be back for Superman sequel?
Date : June 12, 2007 Posted By : Clint Morris

Parker Posey tells Moviehole that she hopes she gets to reprise her role as the ditzy Kitty Kowalski for the “Superman Returns” sequel.

“Oh I hope I’m in it”, Posey said in an interview for her new film “Broken English”. “Yeah, we’ll see if I’m in it. I don’t know if I am. I just talked to one of the writers last night and I meant to ask him.”

Rumours have it that “Superman: The Man of Steel”, due for release in 2009, will feature General Zod, Doomsday or Braniac in the scoundrel position. No word on Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) yet.

hmm, movie hole.... not exactly the most accurate sources.also wasnt it said that among the villains only Spacey was sure to be onboard for the sequel?

[Showtime]

Yeah Spacey is the only one under contract, Moviehole is just reporting rumors at this point.

[DieSmiling]

I mean, it says right in the article that it's a rumor.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

All the mention so far has been about Supes' classic villains making it into the sequel, but i have found some of the modern ones very interesting.

Gog, Preus or Ruin would all make good villains in a movie IMO, the only problem with each of these characters is that they each have complicated back stories, and things like time travel, Kandor, and Emil Hamilton would have to be introduced into the movies also. But i liked all 3 of these villains, and wouldnt be opposed to them being used in this sequel or the 3rd movie.

What do you guys think?

[Showtime]

I wouldn't mind Emil Hamilton being introduced, because that would mean that Star Labs would be featured, possibly along with Project Cadmus.

[CLARKY]

I think Gog is pretty bad. I think he is empty.
I agree with Showtime029.Now, I think you are right Preus or Ruin would be excellent. I iked Preus a lot the first time he appeared, and I think Ruin is excellent. But, as you said they have complicated or simply long story behind them. In order to make Ruin, they should introduce E.Hamilton and in few film it is hardly possible. (Even if I think making Pete Ross -> Ruin suits me fine because I thought he WAS Ruin the first time I read the issues.) In both cases, it is needed to present each character before. It would suit more easily into a serie.
And personnaly, making Bizarro ala Preus would suit me fine. I like the idea of Bizarro, but I'm not a fan of the big dummy Bizarro. A mix between the 2 would be fine for me (but surely not for hardcore fans). I liked Preus and I loved Ruin.
Anyway, good idea to open the thread.

[Damien Rage]

please oh please anybody but Lex!

[AsianHulk]

maybe its Darkseid

[Super Kal]

brainiac
http://smallville.cinecin.com/brainiac.jpg

Bizarro
http://superman.ugo.com/images/galleries/superman_enemies_comics/bizarro_1_180.jpg

and Lex Luthor in the middle

[Showtime]

If there was a Bizzaro that is the version I would want. I wouldn't want a goofy version of Bizzaro but a very dark and distrubed character. That spoke not in goofy backwards forms, but a terrifying voice. His skin so tight that you can almost see his skull.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I don't actually want Bizzaro anywhere near a superman movie.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

brainiac that looks like liquid metal.
like silver surfer.

Agreed.

I reallllllllllly don't want to see a skeleton like Brainiac design. I mean, Metallo should have at some point the terminator like robot skeletal look. NOT Brainiac though :-/

[\S/JcDc\S/]

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7651/supesvssilversurfer2jj3.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5280/spacego22li6.jpg

[BH/HHH]

brainiac
http://smallville.cinecin.com/brainiac.jpg

Bizarro
http://superman.ugo.com/images/galleries/superman_enemies_comics/bizarro_1_180.jpg

and Lex Luthor in the middle

This is what i think we will get, they should start making Lex more the business man Lex then work president Lex into the 3rd movie.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think Gog is pretty bad. I think he is empty.
I agree with Showtime029.Now, I think you are right Preus or Ruin would be excellent. I iked Preus a lot the first time he appeared, and I think Ruin is excellent. But, as you said they have complicated or simply long story behind them. In order to make Ruin, they should introduce E.Hamilton and in few film it is hardly possible. (Even if I think making Pete Ross -> Ruin suits me fine because I thought he WAS Ruin the first time I read the issues.) In both cases, it is needed to present each character before. It would suit more easily into a serie.
And personnaly, making Bizarro ala Preus would suit me fine. I like the idea of Bizarro, but I'm not a fan of the big dummy Bizarro. A mix between the 2 would be fine for me (but surely not for hardcore fans). I liked Preus and I loved Ruin.
Anyway, good idea to open the thread.

I REALLY like Preus and Ruin as well, both interesting characters IMO. Ruin would be easier to do though, i mean you have him attacking Superman without finding out who he is in the 2nd movie, just introduce Hamilton towards the end of the 2nd movie, and then reveal him to be Ruin at the middle of the 3rd movie. It could be done IMO, but a lot of back story would have to be left out. Gog probably has the most simplistic backstory out of all of them, so he would be the easiest to do IMO. But, like you i find Preus and Ruin much more interesting.

[Justice Bringer]

Maybe for the third film. They really need Brainiac for this.

[Showtime]

I think without a doubt it is going to Brainiac, but I wouldn't mind seeing Emil Hamilton introduced in the film.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Maybe for the third film. They really need Brainiac for this.

It doesnt just have to be Brainiac though does it?

[Showtime]

No it certainly doesn't, at least for me, I would rather have the Eradicator in some capacity. Also, I wouldn't put it past Singer to use an unexpected villian, the problem is I think WB wants to do what the fans are asking for, and so does Singer.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No it certainly doesn't, at least for me, I would rather have the Eradicator in some capacity. Also, I wouldn't put it past Singer to use an unexpected villian, the problem is I think WB wants to do what the fans are asking for, and so does Singer.

I would like to see the Eradicator as well, though i was a bit dissapointed in him getting knocked out by an OMAC from just one punch in Sacrifice.

[Qwerty©]

I came up with a great plot that managed to fit Bizarro, Lex, Metallo and Braniac into a SR sequel, with Braniac being more developed in a third movie along with Parasite, and then Lexiac at the end.

The only problem is neither plots have a place for Jason. Which is why i'm rooting for the Eradicator based on Showtime's plot idea.

[Justice Bringer]

The only issue with Eradicator is the Bryne stuff isnt received well by fans as far as I know. DC has tried to reverse and retcon most of it.

Theyd most likely go with a composite character of Brainiac AND Eradicator; like in Superman TAS (a Brainiac with Eradicator's powers from Krypton).

[TaintedBlood]

i like the braniac/metallo for 2 and darkseid/eradicator for 3... i'm just worried Singer's "wrath of Khan" talk implies Zod... in which case I pray for Zod teaming up with somebody from the Phantom Zone or something... perhaps Bizarro. Come to think of it, that's the most logical step from SR. You have to involve Luther for one more film at the least and with his connection to Zod, it works. If that ends up being the case, I wouldn't be surprised if Luther dies at the end.

One thing is for sure: I want to see Supes and Seid fighting on the sun. No other movie superhero character has the potential for such an awesome and climatic showdown. Wow...

[terry78]

^Hell, I'd take Superman fighting someone in space. Just both of them levitating and having to fight while in flight.

[Darth Elektra]

i like the braniac/metallo for 2 and darkseid/eradicator for 3...

One thing is for sure: I want to see Supes and Seid fighting on the sun. No other movie superhero character has the potential for such an awesome and climatic showdown. Wow...

I hope we get Metallo in the sequel.

The fight on the sun, would be awsome!

[BH/HHH]

i like the braniac/metallo for 2 and darkseid/eradicator for 3... i'm just worried Singer's "wrath of Khan" talk implies Zod... in which case I pray for Zod teaming up with somebody from the Phantom Zone or something... perhaps Bizarro. Come to think of it, that's the most logical step from SR. You have to involve Luther for one more film at the least and with his connection to Zod, it works. If that ends up being the case, I wouldn't be surprised if Luther dies at the end.

One thing is for sure: I want to see Supes and Seid fighting on the sun. No other movie superhero character has the potential for such an awesome and climatic showdown. Wow...

I'm pretty sure they aren't gonna do Zod, didn't they say they weren't anyway?

And agreed on Supes vs Darkseid.

[BH/HHH]

I think Gog is pretty bad. I think he is empty.
I agree with Showtime029.Now, I think you are right Preus or Ruin would be excellent. I iked Preus a lot the first time he appeared, and I think Ruin is excellent. But, as you said they have complicated or simply long story behind them. In order to make Ruin, they should introduce E.Hamilton and in few film it is hardly possible. (Even if I think making Pete Ross -> Ruin suits me fine because I thought he WAS Ruin the first time I read the issues.) In both cases, it is needed to present each character before. It would suit more easily into a serie.
And personnaly, making Bizarro ala Preus would suit me fine. I like the idea of Bizarro, but I'm not a fan of the big dummy Bizarro. A mix between the 2 would be fine for me (but surely not for hardcore fans). I liked Preus and I loved Ruin.
Anyway, good idea to open the thread.

Agree with you on Gog that whole storyline was s**t.

[Sebastos]

Maybe for the third film. They really need Brainiac for this.

Yeah I think Brainiac needs to be the villain for the sequel. Him, Lex and then maybe another Superman villain.

[AsianHulk]

The Leader,Glazier and Rhino in Hulk 3.

[Qwerty©]

I'm pretty sure they aren't gonna do Zod, didn't they say they weren't anyway?
Yes they did.

Most fans ignore this however, because they think they know the writers better than they do themselves.

[S_H_F_4839]

if they are going to go with parasite in a movie, I would like to see him turn the civilians against superman, I was looking through one of my dads old comic book piles and saw a superman issue, I am at work and can't remember the number but it is outside at a fair or circus and a guy is beat up laying on the ground and people are making comments telling superman to get lost calling him a bum and other stuff of that nature and he has this confused look on his face. that I would like to see in a movie.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

The Leader,Glazier and Rhino in Hulk 3.



Sorry, you realise this is the Superman Forum right?

not Hulk?:dry:

[Steelsheen]

LOL! i think someone got confused :D

[GreenKToo]

I know this is just wishful thinking, but with all the talk of a J.L. film being made, I would love to see it setup in the S.R. sequel.

Have Darkseid come to earth because of N.K. He is too powerful for superman to handle alone but supes faces him anyway. The first fight is a draw, but superman gets defeated in the second confrontation after a long struggle.

Other heroes around the world see the fight on the news and see a victorious Darkseid holding superman up by his cape, gloating that mankind is under his rule now.

Some of the heroes are reluctant to interfere. If superman was defeated what chance do they have they think. They need someone to guide them, a leader.

It would end with a shot of Bruce Wayne alone in the Batcave watching the news and seeing a defeated superman there in. Bruce looks down at his desk through a pile of photographs and info on other heroes. ( the flash, green lantern, W.W.).

EDIT: and have that same end shot of Bruce in the S.R. sequel at the end of T.D.K. as well. ( I know, again wishful thinking.)

[TheComicbookKid]

^ That sounds like a geeks wet dream:woot:

And I love Robocop's avatar. Very funny. Wish I knew how to do that.

[GreenKToo]

Lol, yeah it is. The batfans would prolly be against it though.^ That sounds like a geeks wet dream:woot:

And I love Robocop's avatar. Very funny. Wish I knew how to do that.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

thanks chaps..

all down to the greatest avatar maker..

Hunter Rider :cool:

[VenomsMom]

Well for one thing we havent seen his classic villains adapted yet. Why dont we get them first.

[VenomsMom]

Prankster....his practical jokes can drive Superman insane. Joker style.

[Justice Bringer]

Yeah I think Brainiac needs to be the villain for the sequel. Him, Lex and then maybe another Superman villain.

I'm hoping its Brainiac and Lex; with hints of a third villian to come in a future film.

[VenomsMom]

After seeing Silver Surfer and Venom be done or attempted anyway, we should finally get an alien being portrayed on the screen for Supes. He is long over due.

[Justice Bringer]

They did confirm it would be an alien villian

[BH/HHH]

Oh and no ro Ruin that was another s****y Superman storyline.

I think it should be Brainiac and Mettallo with Luthor becoming more business man like.

[Spiderine]

They did confirm it would be an alien villian
Yeah....but I hope they are not referring to Zod or another kryptonian criminal.

[WhatsHisFace]

Yeah....but I hope they are not referring to Zod or another kryptonian criminal.
I'm all for Brainiac though.

Zod just sucks.

[darkseid26]

fight Darkseid introduce the source wall.

[Qwerty©]

Alright guys, so we go from Lex Luthor in SR to Darkseid in SR2.

Then what?

Parasite in SR3? Metallo in SR3? Prankster?

They couldn't possibly outdo Darkseid. Plus going from Lex Luthor to Darkseid would be a MASSIVE change in tone.

[Showtime]

WB is looking for a massive change in tone, they want to amp up the action and create a movie that plays more like Spiderman.

[Qwerty©]

WB is looking for a massive change in tone, they want to amp up the action and create a movie that plays more like Spiderman.Yeah but.. Lex Luthor to.. Darkseid?

For one thing it would require Superman to leave Earth, which would be stupid to do considering the subject matter of SR.

Braniac or Eradicator are much more sensible choices.

[Showtime]

I would rather have Brainiac or Eradicator, and we won't see Darkseid, but they can always make it work.

[Qwerty©]

I would rather have Brainiac or Eradicator, and we won't see Darkseid, but they can always make it work.A watered-down Darkseid can work in a Superman sequel, such as a 4th or 5th in a series. But the character is simply more of a villain worthy of the Justice League or, if we consider ourselves so lucky, as a main character in a Fourth World franchise.

But we shouldn't have to water down Darkseid when Superman already has his own Darkseid-Lite, with Mongul.

[Showtime]

I think Darkseid and Doomsday type characters are off the table, especially as long as Singer is at the helm.

[Qwerty©]

I think Darkseid and Doomsday type characters are off the table, especially as long as Singer is at the helm.
Darkseid definitely, but I bet he would make Doomsday work.

[BH/HHH]

I'm all for Brainiac though.

Zod just sucks.

Zod doesn't suck he's just been donw time for something else, Brainiac I am on board with 100%.

[Showtime]

I think they are similar villians, not in the way they look or their purpose, but the way they would have to be handled cinematically.

[Showtime]

After seeing Silver Surfer and Venom be done or attempted anyway, we should finally get an alien being portrayed on the screen for Supes. He is long over due.

I didn't see Venom in Spiderman 3, I saw Bizzaro Spiderman.

[Qwerty©]

I think they are similar villians, not in the way they look or their purpose, but the way they would have to be handled cinematically.
Doomsday is a brute, a Frankenstein's monster and is basically an excuse for a fight scene. That's all there is to his character. You can adapt him for any situation. You can have Lex create him, Braniac make him, have him crash land from space, and he would be the same.

Darkseid is a villain where the universe surrounding him has to be established, he has a set purpose and an actual character to develop.

I don't see how they are comparable?

[Showtime]

Again, they are comparable cinematically, meaning how they would be portrayed in regards to CGI. That is how they are comparable as I already said.

[TheComicbookKid]

The third movie will have to have multiple villains of a Metallo like quality. Under Luthor's control like Infinity Inc.(in 52)

Singer could create some new ones.

Edit- Or Intergang could show up as a rising power in Metropolis through the second movie leading to the third move. Lex vs Intergang vs. Superman.

[GreenKToo]

I would prefer Brainiac with a secondary villain in the second, and Darkseid for the 3rd.
Maybe throw intergang and lexcorp in the mix as well.

[darkseid26]

Mongrul! Brainiac! ummmmm.... Metallo

[Deaths Head II]

I don't think that matters much with the films, though. Superman III and IV both used completely original characters. Using unknown villains that only comic fans would know wouldn't be that much different for the new movies (in terms of general audience reaction, hopefully not quality). And I doubt that many people knew Zod before Superman II anyway, so if anything the villain appearing in a film would make them become more well known.

[Qwerty©]

Again, they are comparable cinematically, meaning how they would be portrayed in regards to CGI. That is how they are comparable as I already said.I thought you meant in terms of story, sorry.

Still, I believe Darkseid should be live-action with make up and prosthetics. A big actor like Micheal Clarke Duncan as the body, and someone with a chilling, deep voice to provide the vocals. Like Darth Vader. I believe this because Darkseid needs more emotional connection than a CGI monster like Doomsday.

[Qwerty©]

I didn't see Venom in Spiderman 3, I saw Bizzaro Spiderman.Venom was spot on for me.

[Showtime]

I still think you are looking at alot of CGI in regards to either villian, I am not a huge fan of Darkseid or Doomsday in a live action movie, and I don't see Singer using either of these characters.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm all for Brainiac though.

Zod just sucks.

Have you read 'For Tomorrow?' He was awesome in that.

[VenomsMom]

I didn't see Venom in Spiderman 3, I saw Bizzaro Spiderman.
Thats all Venom is anyways...A bizarro ass Spidrman.

[VenomsMom]

I still think you are looking at alot of CGI in regards to either villian, I am not a huge fan of Darkseid or Doomsday in a live action movie, and I don't see Singer using either of these characters.
I am a huge fan of it eventually, but I dont want and I mean certainly don't want Singer to accept the challenge. Let the guy do Lex and brainiac and end this series.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Lex and Brainiac won't be enough. You need a more physical threat a long with them ... METALLO. All 3 would work perfectly.

[nintendo nerd]

I'm sorry but you people are wrong, this is gonna be the new Superman villian, and it will kick Superman's ass!!!

http://www.counterfeitchic.com/Images/Superman.jpg

[Lobo]

Screw it Skeletor should be the villain :D

[Sucram]

Have to go with brainiac on this one....

Although Darkseid would be cool..

[SFII]

Bizarro.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Not really, PP and Eddie are very disimilar IMO.

[Showtime]

Thats all Venom is anyways...A bizarro ass Spidrman.

Of course, but that wasn't even Venom in Spiderman 3, it was a shell of what Venom should and could be.

[ThreeActRomance]

Superman should actually. yknow.

fight a super villian in the movie for once.

Batman can get away with only fighting the screwed up power less people. Superman cant-what with being a "God Among Men" and all.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Of course, but that wasn't even Venom in Spiderman 3, it was a shell of what Venom should and could be.

TOTALLY agree Showtime, Venom's portrayal was a major dissapointment in Spidey 3.

[Eros]

^Not really, PP and Eddie are very disimilar IMO.


hence why he is considered a Bizzaro spider-man, because he is the exact opposite of spider-man. :huh:

[Showtime]

hence why he is considered a Bizzaro spider-man, because he is the exact opposite of spider-man. :huh:

To make it easy for you, Venom was horribly developed, horribly written, and horribly potrayed in Spiderman 3.

[Eros]

To make it easy for you, Venom was horribly developed, horribly written, and horribly potrayed in Spiderman 3.

I don't disagree, but Venom isn't exactly a great character in the comics to.

[WhatsHisFace]

At least he was cool in the comics, not some super-lame sub-villain.

[DieSmiling]

Since I haven't heard of any of those, I'd have to say I hope they don't go in that direction.

[Showtime]

I don't disagree, but Venom isn't exactly a great character in the comics to.

I can agree with that.

[VenomsMom]

To make it easy for you, Venom was horribly developed, horribly written, and horribly potrayed in Spiderman 3.
Agreed. I never liked his inclusion in SM3 anyway. It wasnt the right time for him.

[VenomsMom]

I'm sorry but you people are wrong, this is gonna be the new Superman villian, and it will kick Superman's ass!!!

http://www.counterfeitchic.com/Images/Superman.jpg
OMG. Intimidating.Powerful.Dangerous.And looks good. Singer if you are watching....We have found your villain...THE RACKETEER. Just to think I wanted Prankster.:whatever:

[nintendo nerd]

OMG. Intimidating.Powerful.Dangerous.And looks good. Singer if you are watching....We have found your villain...THE RACKETEER. Just to think I wanted Prankster.:whatever:

Prankster!!!??? That guy has nothing compared to "THE RACKETEER".

[VenomsMom]

Prankster!!!??? That guy has nothing compared to "THE RACKETEER".
Shall we take this to the poll.:woot:

[nintendo nerd]

Shall we take this to the poll.:woot:

BRING IT ON!!!!! :cmad: :woot:

[VenomsMom]

BRING IT ON!!!!! :cmad: :woot:
I have seen much treachery and manipulation from the Prankster. Hiding kryptonite in a creme filled pie and stuffing it in Superman's mug. now thats ingenuity. Schemes that could drive Darkseid insane. :woot: :up: :rolleyes:

[The Techno Bat]

I want to see Metallo & Brainiac in the second film and in the third film I would love to see Bizarro, a Returning Lex Luthor, & Parasite

[Showtime]

I don't personally think Spacey would return for a 3rd film, I believe that he has a two picture deal. The question is, is it a two picture deal meaning two movies in the series, or Superman Returns and then the subsequent sequel? Interesting to think about.

[manofsteel4life]

I don't actually want Bizzaro anywhere near a superman movie.
your right i dont either