The Official MOS Misc. Villians Thread

[darthlaney]

Vote on who you want to see Superman come up against in SR2.

[darthlaney]

My personal choice would be for Brainiac, however I can see an opportunity to end the movie with Doomsday coming to earth.

The trip back to Krypton at the beginning of SR could be the catalyst, with the Kryptonian engineered Doomsday following \S/ back to earth. Doomsday has been in a form of hibernation since the destruction of Krypton, which he survived.The ultimate battle could take place across SR3 and 4.

The trip back would also activate the Eradicator, who seeks out the last Kryptonian. The Eradiactor was created to protect Kryptonian heritage and comes to earth to kill off Jason, as he is a watering down of the traces of pure Kryptonian DNA.

Superman is mortally wounded at the end of SR3 and the Eradicator heals him during SR4, in time for the re-match of the millenium.

[November Rain]

brainiac and a lobo combo would be decent...

i like the concept of the original tas episode that lobo aired in and how a collector wanted him as a specimen.

saying this, brainiac could easily hire lobo to find kal-el and then his whole angle can be revealed.

[Lobo]

of the above choices, Cyborg and for the third film Mongul

[Hobgoblin-demon]

I would like to see a braniac SR movie, followed by another Luthor and some other villain.

[Gotendbz-2]

I'm tired of Lex Luthor! Its about time we see Brainiac or Bizzaro in a movie! I think they should do the Doomsday story in SR3, because Superman just died in SR.

[The Kid]

i WANT DOOMSDAY.

[BobJM]

SR2: Metallo and Lex Luthor w/ Project Cadmus

SR3: Brainiac w/ Lex Luthor (small role)

Brainiac is a big villain and deserves to be saved for a climatic finish of the series.

[gimmen64]

I think they should introduce lots of characters like they did in SM and the X-men films. They named them but a lot of them didn't show, they should have small parts oe mentioned like The Cyborg, The Eradicator and so fourth. I hope the main vilian is Brainiac and pretends to good at first then change, he should tell the history of Krypton with how it started with the Eradicator as the first able to slow Doomsday and ship him off Krypton. If he was able to take 5 mins to tell that story or somethin similar it could open lots of doors.

[Super Kal]

Brainiac all the way.

[Andy C.]

Brainiac, with Luthor and Bizarro as side villains.

[Immortalfire]

Brainiac.

No votes for Zod. Praise Jesus. :up:

[Super Kal]

I'd love to see a story where Brainiac pretends to side with Luthor for a while until Brainiac turns on Luthor, and then Luthor goes to Superman for help to put down Brainiac while Luthor works on his own plan to get rid of both Superman AND Brainiac...

[GreenKToo]

Brainiac for the 2nd,and Darkseid for the 3rd.

[TKing]

Braniac releases Doomsday to distract Superman, while he devises his master plan.

[dark_b]

say no to zod.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

I want Brainiac, Doomsday and the Eradicator all introduced.

[Super Kal]

Braniac releases Doomsday to distract Superman, while he devises his master plan.
that was the Superman Lives storyline...

[lordofthenerds]

Braniac is a must. I wouldn't mind Lex being in there too.

[FVD]

Who was the poor soul who voted Zod? Shame on you.

[bud7486]

I vote for Darkseid, i think that would be an awesome battle. Brainiac could be in there but nothing major. I want to see a huge fight, like Superman had with doomsday in the comics. Save Doomsday for when/if they decide to do death and return superman movies.

[The Question]

The thing is, if they're actually doing Darkseid right, Superman VS Darkseid = a very dead Superman.

[IronMan_2005]

I voted Darkseid, just because he's my favorite DC villain. But it'd be just as cool if they have Brainiac.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Fans want Brainiac and Metallo. Don't need a poll to tell you that.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I'd love to see a story where Brainiac pretends to side with Luthor for a while until Brainiac turns on Luthor, and then Luthor goes to Superman for help to put down Brainiac while Luthor works on his own plan to get rid of both Superman AND Brainiac...

Hmm who else posted that before ? :oldrazz:

[Super Kal]

no I didn't... Stop playing with my mind!...

[Superman4ever!]

haha Go suck it you Moron singer No one wants you back, and Brainac has 53 percent against zod who has 1.72 LOL thats A freaking Slaughter!!! suck it Singer harris and Dougherty!! NO ONE GIVESTWO **** ABOUT TEDIOUSLy BORING DULL REPETITIVE ZOD!!!

[Morgoth]

I say have Brainiac as he was in TAS, and have Doomsday be summoned by him, tieing the Kryptonian thing together, have Brainiac be the one who made him on Krypton and sent him to Earth.

Doomsday could be his muscle. That's my thought. DD was just a big brute force anyway at first, it's not like you'd be messing him up by having him as the henchman, not like Bane in B&R, but still get alot out of him.

[Dark Knight]

Braniac as more of a manipulator in this one....then in the 3rd film he should be the heavy. I want to Supes fight Metallo in the sequel and have Lex be a part of creating Metallo.

[BobJM]

If Brainiac is going to be in the sequel, he should appear similiar to his S:TAS version or perhaps along the lines of Danger from Astonishing X-Men.

[M.O.Steel]

how about film superman 2 and 3 together, with brainiac and to some extent lexas the main villian more or less in both, but metallo as the main villian in the second one, calling in Man of Steel. And the last have Brainiac physically involved as the main villian with lex in the background, and call it the last son of Krypton.

[Top_Hatter]

Let's say we're having a trilogy of films for the moment, I'd want Brainiac for the main villain in SR2; he gives technology to Lex Luthor that Lex uses to rebuild Metropolis and launch his political campaign but Brainiac then uses the technology to sap the energy from Metropolis and eventually all the world. At the end Luthor would be seen winning the Presidential election and the third would have him as President in a minor role, though he is the shadow leader behind various attacks by Metallo, Bizarro, Cyborg, and Toyman. That could then have an after the credits shot of Darkseid's fleet converging on Earth leaving it open for a continuation.

[OzzMosiz]

Would be good to have Luthor, but used in the same way as the gang mob in BB.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would want Brainiac in the 2nd movie and Darkseid in the 3rd. By the way, why does everyone say that Darkseid is so much more powerful than Superman?

[The Revengers]

^ same Lobo played by Vin Diesel in the 4th. Then Doomsday in the 5th.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I knew him from the movie "Human Stain" but there are now people finally learning of Miller from the fox tv show "Prison Break"

Miller has publicly stated more than once that he wants the role of Zod. A role that Singer has been rumored to be holding onto for Jude Law who's a little reluctant to do films originating from comic book characters.

I say if Jude Law does not take the role and they indeed decide to go with a Zod story line, Wentworth is a lock.

If Jude does take it, I'd still like Wentworth involved. Maybe he could play John Corben? :o

[\S/JcDc\S/]

When asked what character from literature he would like to play: " Well, if we can expand the definition of literature to include comic books, I'd definitely love a crack at General Zod from 'Superman'. So I'm hoping that Bryan Singer makes a sequel to the 'Superman' that's coming out and casts me." (TV Guide, April 10-16,2006)

[SatEL]

^ same Lobo played by Vin Diesel in the 4th. Then Doomsday in the 5th.

:whatever: The way this franchise has started will be lucky to get a third.

[LexCorp]

I vote Brainiac

[The Kid]

F Brainiac.

Metallo Dammit!

[LexCorp]

F Brainiac.

Metallo Dammit!

Remember how Supes got the better of Metallo in the New Adventures???

He flew above him (far enough away from K) and melted his legs withs heat vision too easy!! :o

[Steelsheen]

yeah i could definitely see Miller as Corben. very good fit.


although personally i'd hold out for Miller for another role: King Thranduil in The Hobbit movie. :up:

[That-Guy]

I think Miller should play the Eradicator. I don't want to see Zod in a sequel again.

[dark_b]

this is actually very bad news. now imagine tha for example 10 actors want to play zod. can you imagien that singer would because of that think that people want to see zod? can you imagine that because of that people we would get zod?

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Sun_Down]

Am I the only one who thinks this guy is a terrible actor? He's the stiffest, least interesting actor I've ever seen.

[ultimatefan]

Am I the only one who thinks this guy is a terrible actor? He's the stiffest, least interesting actor I've ever seen.
No way, check the PB episode where he fakes a psychotic breakdown, dude can act pretty damn good.

[Sarcasm]

For those wanting a Braniac movie..........why? What is it about Braniac that's so desirable. I enjoyed his role in the War of the Worlds series in the comics several years back, but that's about it.

[The Game]

No way should Michael Schofield be Zod, its totally wrong

[BobJM]

I would prefer an unknown rather than Miller. Nothing against the actor, I just think that the media would focus more on him than the film. Kinda like what Insider and Access Hollywood did when news of Heath Ledger being Joker broke.

[matrix_ghost]

Not to be the bringer of bad news , but don't actors who are in fact actively lobbying for a part in blockbusters usually not get picked ?

I mean so far the big comic book movies have either had actors that just had to do audition with no fans knowing who they were ( for example Brandon Routh...most people were wanting that Tom Welling ,Henry Cavill etc shóuld've been Supes) , actors still had to audition but had a vocal fan support ( christian bale , Micahel Chiklis) and just actors who were chosen by either the studio ( Jessica Alba) or co-actors/director ( Kevin Spacey choosing Kate Bosworth ) .

[The Kid]

Superman's new franchise is huffing and puffing out of the gate and is surely to drop dead if Zod is brought in. Just don't, Singer.

[matrix_ghost]

I agree with lots of people here that bringing in Zod is a really really bad idea .

However , suppose this did happen.
And , aside from the donner crap , how do you think Zod might work within the movie ?
Heck we should make a thread about it , if the arrival of Zod is inevitable :oldrazz:

[PSU442]

any pics of this guy?

[Top_Hatter]

I see Brainiac as sort of a databank of knowledge with physical prowess and ingenuity to match. He has an articulate way of speaking (as a computer would) and is one of Superman's most dangerous foes. I could see him as having massive potential in this new franchise, we could get some damn good stuff from him and give Superman a threat near equal to him. We speak of reinvigorating the franchise well I think Brainiac would be a step in the right direction :up:

That's my opinion anyway

[CConn]

Brainiac.

I would sorta like to see Metallo in a secondary villain capacity as well.

[matrix_ghost]

any pics of this guy?

Is googling really that difficult :oldrazz: LOL

j/k :cwink:

http://img.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/gallery/sexyfalltvguys/wmiller.jpg

http://www.kingsviewacademy.com/HOME/News/Publications/images/Wentworth_Miller.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/31/prisonbreak_narrowweb__300x507,0.jpg

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, he's not exactly a superstar. And I think he'd be a good villian. Prison Break is a great show.

[poutine-man]

I really like Wentworth Miller in 'Prison Break' but I just don't see him in the Supes sequel unless he's playing a thug or some other non-central character. Just my 2 cents, eh.


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I'm Poutine-Man!

[NotFadeAway]

Jason Isaacs....for any villian role.

[That-Guy]

However , suppose this did happen.
And , aside from the donner crap , how do you think Zod might work within the movie ?
Heck we should make a thread about it , if the arrival of Zod is inevitable

Well, I think Zod could show up (eventually...like in part 3 or 4) as long as they strive to do something really different with him. If they borrowed some elements from Brian Azzarello's "For Tomorrow" storyline, I think Zod could come off fresh and interesting. If he does ever show up, I'd like to see him either work alone or have an army of evil banished Kryptonians to try and take out Superman, instead of two cohorts who aren't really worth a damn. He should also LOOK like a physical match for Superman. Nothing against Terrance Stamp, but Chris Reeve physically looked like he could have pummelled his ass in a heartbeat.

However, Zod should also, I think, look a bit older than Superman, because he's a general, and it would most likely take you quite a good many years to achieve that status, no matter where you are from. Thus Wentworth Miller wouldn't work, simply because the guy simply doesn't look old enough. Maybe if it was Corporal Zod or something, but General? Forget it.

However, if Zod shows up in SR2, rest assured we're going to get a remake of Superman 2... it will most likely be based off of Richard Donner's Superman 2, but it will be Superman 2, nonetheless. I think Singer is a very gifted director, but he missed the mark with Superman Returns by just giving us a rehash of Superman '78 with some added soap opera plot devices (i.e. the kid) and I have a feeling that's what he'll continue to do if he uses Zod in a sequel.

[matrix_ghost]

You're right with Zod being someone who should be much much older. Technically 5 years older post -Superman 2 if we are to follow the contuinity of the movies.
I might have to check out Brian Azzarello's run of Superman . I've been a big fan of his take on HellBlazer . Are there of his superman stories in grapgic novel form :huh: . I'm more of a graphic novel guy ( you get the whole story arc as opposed to buying countless of comics).

Anyway going back to Zod , they can expand his character Kryptonian history. My memory is abit hazy , but the opening scenes of Superman 2 were just Jor El sentencing Zod and his posse to the phantom zone immediatly after the trial. Nothing else is told. So they can have a origin story there , showing just what kind of person he was on krypton. Plus it would be introduction to Krypton too.
Zod being saved by some of his criminal friends who had escaped Krypton following his arrest ( or soldiers if he were to be a general).
But it would more or less be the same as Superman 2, Kryptonians attacking earth with Zod at the helm.

[Kid_Kaos]

If there ever is a "Superman Begins" I would like if they'd go with ZOD as first villain. Would be easy to connect him to Jor-El or as a henchman for Darkside.

Miller is a good actor and will get some good roles in the future, but ZOD? No, please.
I would prefer someone well known with charisma.

My Choice would be Jason Isaacs:

http://kluby.quick.cz/s/iz/id15009.jpg

He's got the intriguing, arrogant looks and is physically build enough to clash of with Supes. But considering the amount of time going by till that happens it'll probably be a newcomer.

[matrix_ghost]

GREAT CHOICE !

Isaacs rocks big time .I love how he steals all his scenes in Harry Potter. Plus he looks older then SUperman which is a big plus for playing Zod.

But i was thinking.
What about Hugh Laurie. Singer wanted him for the role of Perry White , but he had to drop out due to his commitement to House.M.D.
However Singer is very impressed with Hugh and i wouldn't be suprised if he was cast as a villain.
He lacks the villaineous presence of Zod IMO , but i think he does rather resemble Brainiac

[Matt]

Anyone else notice Wentworth Miller popping up in a lot of comic book rumors. He is the new Vin Diesel and Freddie Prinze Jr :eek:

[Lone]

I think Miller should play the Eradicator. I don't want to see Zod in a sequel again.

Good call. He looks like an evil version of Routh.:woot:

[Lightning54SC]

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4205/zodno0.png

Rufus Sewell as ZOD..... sorry guys this guy screams KNEEL BEFORE ZOD

[Lightning54SC]

Good call. He looks like an evil version of Routh.:woot:

i like this idea as well

[GreenKToo]

I cant speak on miller since I havent seen Prision break,but IMHO,I think the villian needs to be a Big star.Not sure who,but definetly someone with a big name...

[antmanx68]

Rufus Sewell can do no wrong. I can see him being just as stuck up and evil as Terrance Stamp was, damn... the thought of Sewell as Zod kind of makes me not wish that they dont do Zod (confuses myself).

[Eddie Dean]

If this was a "Superman Begins" type project I could see him as Luthor.

[BooST eD]

Rufus Sewell can do no wrong. I can see him being just as stuck up and evil as Terrance Stamp was, damn... the thought of Sewell as Zod kind of makes me not wish that they dont do Zod (confuses myself).

if hes just as evil and would play the part perfect, why wouldnt you want him then? personally i think he'd also be a great choice :woot:

[Eddie Dean]

This picture screams Lex Luthor.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9390/lexluthorsv6.jpg

[Spike_x1]

I feel like being different: Neutron, Master Jailer, Barrage, Silver Banshee, Skyhook, Anomaly, Blackrock, Hi-Tech, Bloodsport, Maxima, the Atomic Skull, Terra-Man, and Riot all team together and beat the piss out of Superman.

Screw plot and story. There's your sequel right there. :up:

[Thespiralgoeson]

By the way, why does everyone say that Darkseid is so much more powerful than Superman?

Because he is. His Omega Beams can simply wipe Superman out of existence. Of course, this varies from one interpretation to the other, but in the vast majority of his incarnations, Darkseid is powerful enough to send Superman into oblivion.

[taku]

I'd like Metallo in SR2, and Darkseid for SR3.

[The Question]

I feel like being different: Neutron, Master Jailer, Barrage, Silver Banshee, Skyhook, Anomaly, Blackrock, Hi-Tech, Bloodsport, Maxima, the Atomic Skull, Terra-Man, and Riot all team together and beat the piss out of Superman.

Screw plot and story. There's your sequel right there. :up:

But, none of those characters have related motives besides a dislike of Superman.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Because he is. His Omega Beams can simply wipe Superman out of existence. Of course, this varies from one interpretation to the other, but in the vast majority of his incarnations, Darkseid is powerful enough to send Superman into oblivion.

Yes i know he could, but he never does, so you have to take that out of the equation. In a fist fight, as far as i have seen Darksied tends to lose.

[Spike_x1]

But, none of those characters have related motives besides a dislike of Superman.You do realize my post was a joke, right?

[The Question]

You do realize my post was a joke, right?


Now I do. :csad:




Anyway, I still say Brainiac with maybe Metallo and Parasite as footsoldiers.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Rufus Sewell was rumored for Ty-zor long ago :o

[batlovescatDC]

Brainiac and Darkseid

[Spike_x1]

Now I do. :csad:




Anyway, I still say Brainiac with maybe Metallo and Parasite as footsoldiers.I thought the "screw plot and story" remark would've given it away. :huh::woot:

[The Punisher]

Now I do. :csad:




Anyway, I still say Brainiac with maybe Metallo and Parasite as footsoldiers.

Same here, Brainiac is a most. I think there should be Brainiac, Lex, and maybe (i've always thought) have Superman fight villain at the start of the film.

[Upper_Krust]

Hey all! :)

I have been wondering which Superman villains are visually arresting/different, or have visually interesting powers? For the purpose of seeing them up on the big screen.

I think Metallo looks great in the video game - so he certainly counts.

Brainiac has a lot of visual potential.

Darkseids Omega Effect would look great zig-zagging all over the shop.

But I am struggling to think which others are awe-inspiring.

Any thoughts? Is Superman's rogues gallery devoid of spectacular 'looking' foes?

Zod (in the Red Armour) had a sort of Vader-coolness about him I suppose.

It might be interesting shock value to see a Cyborg Superman.

[DavidTyler]

Lobo as a quasi-villain
Mongul
Silver Banshee
Bloodsport
Parasite

[The Sage]

Preus
Ruin
Brainiac
Bizarro

[Thespiralgoeson]

It might be interesting shock value to see a Cyborg Superman.

Hank Henshaw has always been one of my favorite characters from the comics. I'd love to see him on screen.

[storyteller]

I think a lot of supes villians would look visually interesting if the look was pushed more.

[DavidTyler]

I think there are a lot of good antagonists in the Superman universe. Trouble is that Singer is sorely lacking in imagination when it comes to this and will probably do a 'Zod' film because he's seen it done before. As far as the comix, go, however - he hasn't a clue.

Timm and Dini did wonderful things with the comix villains. He could take a look at what they've done instead of trying to 'ape' Donner a second time.

[Venom71]

Brainiac
Bizarro
Metallo

[Upper_Krust]

Hi David! :)

Lobo as a quasi-villain

...would'nt KISS sue them. :oldrazz:

Mongul

I don't see it - how is Mongul visually interesting. Hes just a big alien dude.

Silver Banshee
Bloodsport
Parasite

Parasite - indeed, that could be interesting.

[batman44]

Metallo
Parasite
Mongul
Bizarro
Imperiex
Darksied, Kalibak, Granny Goodness and her female furies
Sliver Banshee

[M.O.Steel]

i say the next two movies should be BACK2BACK with Brainiac being across the two flicks. As follows:

SR2: Man of Steel--Metallo is main villian, with Lex Luthor in the background, and Brainiac even behind him
SR3: Last Son of Kryton--Brainiac is the main villian, with Lex luthor in the background

Basically, Brainiac comes into SR2. Lex knows who Braniac is, asks for help, and so brainiac offers Lex krytonian metal/technology. lex finds some low-level thug who is about to die (somehow connected to superman) an opportunity to live again...resulting in metallo. Braniac and lex watch as metallo and superman duke it out. After metallo being defeated, Brainiac comes into battle and kicks the already beaten-up weakened superman's ass. While standing on top of him, Brainiac tells him about himself, who he is, (maybe how he worked for Zod or something), and how he wants to destroy earth. But as he is leaving, he looks back, and says "Kal-El, i thought you were the last of your kind. Clearly I was mistaken" (indicating he knows about jason's secret.) Since he like collecting rare items, extinct species, he has his eyes on jason.

Third movie (haven't thought it out as much with the plot points), huge confrontation between superman and brainiac, maybe have richard somehow sacrifice his life to save superman or jason, with his dying words somehow involving him saying that he knew jason was his son. After everything resolves and brainiac is defeated, the three of them live happily ever after, with clark and lois getting married. The fate of lex can go either way:1. have him go back to jail 2. somehow, in an odd twist of event, becomes the president over the course of the two movies leaving the ended trilogy with a open ending.

[Spike_x1]

I don't see it - how is Mongul visually interesting. Hes just a big alien dude.How wouldn't that be interesting? :confused:

When you phrase it like that, you can make any villain's appearance sound lame.

Anyway, in response to the thread title's question, the only Superman villains that I can think of who are NOT consistently visually interesting are the Toyman and the Prankster. Although the Toyman's changed his look a few times over the years (I'm actually pretty fond of his 'dark' look with the glasses and cape that Jurgans gave him during the period when he killed Cat Grant's son), his traditional appearance has usually been flamboyant dress suits, which aren't all that spectacular.

And the only cool thing about the way the Prankster looks is that badass moustache he's been rocking ever since he gained his slim new body. :up:

On another note, a villain who I think would look really great on the big screen would be Neutron. (http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2596/banner11wz9.jpg) His costume is simple enough to easily get it right for live action, but the fact that he'd have the shimmering energy of golden lights and shadows playing around him constantly would add so much more visual excitement, IMHO. Plus, I think it would be just plain cool to get a look at his "face" (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9938/banner10cb3.jpg) through his helmet :up:.

[The Question]

I kind of like it when Toyman dressess like a 50s sit com character. You know, 'cause he's crazy and all.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Sounds good.

[TripXyDE]

DARKSEID - u have to introduce a vast world of characters, races & planets, although i also wud want to see the world & the wars of apokolips, i dont think itz realistic & practical for the studios to venture on this aspect of the Superman mythos

TOYMAN - he's a cool villain, but the resemblance of his overall "aura" with Joker would make him be ruled out as a Superman villain

BRAINIAC - if they did him the Way Timm, Dini & d rest of the DC animation hav introduced him to be. BRAINIAC wud be SO awesome!

METALLO - wud be a great villain! ok...almost ALL of d good villains were well utilized by d Timm/Dini team...

PARASITE - wud be a challenging villain...one dat wud boggle superman how to fight

BIZARRO - ive always imagined the Bizarro storyline to utilize the cloning technology which is now realistic....funny, but iv been imagining Bizarro to be portrayed by Johnny Knoxville

Superman vs Bryan Singer - Singer has godlike powers...every time Superman tries to throw a punch, Singer can make his punch stop & just make a very gay smile instead. hehehe

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Spike! :)

How wouldn't that be interesting? :confused:

When you phrase it like that, you can make any villain's appearance sound lame.

Anyway, in response to the thread title's question, the only Superman villains that I can think of who are NOT consistently visually interesting are the Toyman and the Prankster.

Q: How is Mongul different from any other alien?

A: Hes not. Therefore he is not visually interesting. He also has no visually interesting powers. So hes 0/2.

If you contrast Mongul with either the 'Alien' (from the Alien movies), the Predator or even the 'Thing' (from the movie 'The Thing') they all have interesting and original visual quirks and/or abilities.

Mongul has none of that. Theres nothing iconic about him. Unlike say, Doomsday who does have a cool. original look.

Likewise anyone who is simply an alternate Superman is not really visually arresting. Ultraman = Superman with a sneer, Bizarro = Pale Superman, Zod = Superman in black clothes*.

*Unless its armoured Zod.

[That-Guy]

Darkseid would look really awesome onscreen (if done well) but I can't help but think that people would laugh at him, considering his name is actually DARKSEID and he lives on a planet called APOKOLIPS. Seriously, this is one thing I've never understood. Was DC trying to make a statement than people who can't spell are evil?

Anyway... I think Brainiac could look cool on screen; especially if they gave him the classic Brainiac brain/skull spaceship. Zod could look cool if they made him armored Zod, but since this is Bryan Singer we're talking about here, we'd most likely get an updated version of the shiny black suit Terrance Stamp wore. Bizarro could be cool if they made him look the way Alex Ross paints him. Metallo could be super-badass if they pretty much just made him the way he looks in the SR videogame. Hell, if they would have had something like that in the SR movie, it probably would have done better at the box office.

[Superfreak]

lets not forget the eradicator. A glowing energy being, hell bent on turning earth into a new version of krypton, and the concept would complement both SR and Smallville

[Spike_x1]

Hey Spike! :)



Q: How is Mongul different from any other alien?

A: Hes not. Therefore he is not visually interesting. He also has no visually interesting powers. So hes 0/2.

If you contrast Mongul with either the 'Alien' (from the Alien movies), the Predator or even the 'Thing' (from the movie 'The Thing') they all have interesting and original visual quirks and/or abilities.

Mongul has none of that. Theres nothing iconic about him. Unlike say, Doomsday who does have a cool. original look.

Likewise anyone who is simply an alternate Superman is not really visually arresting. Ultraman = Superman with a sneer, Bizarro = Pale Superman, Zod = Superman in black clothes*.

*Unless its armoured Zod.I still fail to see what's not visually intriguing about an ENORMOUS (http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8376/mongul002nm3.jpg), yellow, muscled barbarian, with glowing red eyes, a wicked energy cannon mounted on his chest, can teleport at will, and has a planet-sized galactic weapon under his control.

How aren't those "interesting and original visual quirks and/or abilities"? :confused:.

[That-Guy]

lets not forget the eradicator. A glowing energy being, hell bent on turning earth into a new version of krypton, and the concept would complement both SR and Smallville


LOL, how the hell did I, of all people, forget about the Eradicator. Yeah, no matter which design they base the movie version off of (my personal favorite is the one in my avatar, but can understand if they didn't use that), the Eradicator is awesome and would make either a great villain or anti-hero in a Superman movie.

[Upper_Krust]

Hi spike! :)

I still fail to see what's not visually intriguing about an ENORMOUS (http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8376/mongul002nm3.jpg), yellow, muscled barbarian, with glowing red eyes,

I'm not saying Mongul is rubbish, I'm just saying there is nothing really iconic about him.

a wicked energy cannon mounted on his chest,

...Iron Man

can teleport at will,

...Star Trek

and has a planet-sized galactic weapon under his control.

...Death Star

How aren't those "interesting and original visual quirks and/or abilities"? :confused:.

Probably because we have seen them all elsewhere and done better.

[Spike_x1]

But we have never seen all of those elements combined before, which is what Mongul would bring. :confused:

With that line of thinking, I really don't see how you can enjoy any possible supervillain.


We've seen alien artificial intelligences trying to take over the universe (the Borg), so that eliminates Brainiac as a possibility.


We've seen both Lex and Zod too many times, so they're obviously obsolete.


We had a crazy plant person with Poison Ivy in Batman & Robin, so no Terra-man.


I think I speak for everyone when I say that Jigsaw gave us enough prison-like deathtraps in the Saw films, so we can forget about the Master Jailer.


We've seen Multiple Man in X-Men 3, so that removes Riot from the running.


We've seen the Joker using toys and gags as weapons, so we can't have either the Toyman or the Prankster.


As you said, teleporting has already been done in Star Trek, so we can't have any incarnation of Bloodsport, and the guns were done in The Punisher and a zillion other action movies too.


Having a metal frame was done in the Terminator movies, so we can't have Metallo or the Cyborg.


Being a huge, mindless brute was the Hulk's schtick. Bye-bye Doomsday.


Q had omnipotence covered in Star Trek, so Mxyzptlk and Darkseid are lame choices.


Blasting energy from a person's own body was done in The Fantastic Four, Star Wars, and countless other movies, so we can't have Neutron, Livewire, Blackrock, the Atomic Skull (that, and we don't want to copy Ghost Rider, do we?), or Arclight.


Telepathy and telekinesis are so yesterday, whatwith Jean Grey and all that. Guess we won't be seeing Manchester Black anytime soon, and without Black, you can kiss the rest of the Elite goodbye.


Being turned into a giant bug was done in The Fly, so we can't have Hellgrammite.


Having a cannon for an arm was shown in Fortress, so Barrage is a no-go.


Screaming really loud was done in X2, so no Silver Banshee.


Draining energy has already been done by Rogue, so the Parasite would obviously be a bad idea.

Hell, superspeed and flight were done in the Matrix, superstrength was done in the Hulk, freezing stuff was done in Batman & Robin, blasting crap with the eyes was done in X-Men. I guess that means that we can't even have Superman at all, either. :(:downProbably because we have seen them all elsewhere and done better.I'm sorry, this caught me off guard, but perhaps I missed something; how could you possibly compare them, considering that Mongul's abilities have never been put to film in live action before? :confused:

[Upper_Krust]

Hey spike! :)

But we have never seen all of those elements combined before, which is what Mongul would bring. :confused:

Well maybe visually interesting and iconic means something different to me, than it does to you...?

With that line of thinking, I really don't see how you can enjoy any possible supervillain.

We've seen alien artificial intelligences trying to take over the universe (the Borg), so that eliminates Brainiac as a possibility.

I disagree, I think one interesting facet of Brainiac would be (as seen in OWAW) to have him create duplicates of himself by infilitrating technology. I think that would be cool.

We've seen both Lex and Zod too many times, so they're obviously obsolete.

Neither is obsolete, but no one is describing Lex as 'visually interesting'. Same thing for Zod, unless hes in the red armour which was kind of cool in a Vader-homage type way.

We had a crazy plant person with Poison Ivy in Batman & Robin, so no Terra-man.

Not unless there is some overt reason for why we would include him.

I think I speak for everyone when I say that Jigsaw gave us enough prison-like deathtraps in the Saw films, so we can forget about the Master Jailer.

What a pity - everyones been clamouring to see him on the big screen :whatever:

We've seen Multiple Man in X-Men 3, so that removes Riot from the running.

Well we never really get a look at Madrox using his power in a physical capacity, so that might be intereting if we were to use Riot.

We've seen the Joker using toys and gags as weapons, so we can't have either the Toyman or the Prankster.

Totally agree with you on that front. Joker IS an iconic villain. Any others of a similar mould would be seen as 'copies'.

As you said, teleporting has already been done in Star Trek, so we can't have any incarnation of Bloodsport, and the guns were done in The Punisher and a zillion other action movies too.

Well no one is asking a 'gun' to be the main villain in the new Superman movie. Then again, don't give Singer any ideas. :woot:

Having a metal frame was done in the Terminator movies, so we can't have Metallo or the Cyborg.

Well if you have seen the Superman Returns videogame, Metallo is 60 stories tall robot shooting missiles and stuff. Now that IS visually interesting. I'd like to see how Superman takes on something that size.

With regards Cyborg, I think the fact that he is Terminator-like works to his favour.

Being a huge, mindless brute was the Hulk's schtick. Bye-bye Doomsday.

I think Doomsday has an iconic look about him, with the bones on the outside.

Q had omnipotence covered in Star Trek, so Mxyzptlk and Darkseid are lame choices.

Is omnipotence a visual effect or an iconic look now?

Oh, and Darkseid ain't omnipotent last time I saw him being abused by the DC writers, by punking him out to Supes.

As for Mxyzptlk, he looks like an idiot. Hes about as much of a chance of showing up as Bat-mite in the Dark Knight movie.

Blasting energy from a person's own body was done in The Fantastic Four, Star Wars, and countless other movies, so we can't have Neutron, Livewire, Blackrock, the Atomic Skull (that, and we don't want to copy Ghost Rider, do we?), or Arclight.

Well no one is really wanting to see those third rate villains on the big screen.

Certainly not before the more iconic villains are given a chance. There is a reason why some villains are more popular than others. Cooler-looking and cooler power set are two such reasons. Originality is another.

Telepathy and telekinesis are so yesterday, whatwith Jean Grey and all that. Guess we won't be seeing Manchester Black anytime soon, and without Black, you can kiss the rest of the Elite goodbye.

I dunno. Manchester Black is quite a cool character (for a human looking villain). Chemo is pretty cool, as is Shrapnel.

Being turned into a giant bug was done in The Fly, so we can't have Hellgrammite.

No we can't have him.

Having a cannon for an arm was shown in Fortress, so Barrage is a no-go.

Waste of time.

Screaming really loud was done in X2, so no Silver Banshee.

I agree.

Draining energy has already been done by Rogue, so the Parasite would obviously be a bad idea.

I'm undecided about Parasite. Showing him taking on characteristics of those he drains would be cool in a sort of 'The Thing' way.

Hell, superspeed and flight were done in the Matrix,

Heck they even had fights between 'super-beings' in the Matrix Revolutions, maybe thats why Singer didn't use any.

superstrength was done in the Hulk, freezing stuff was done in Batman & Robin, blasting crap with the eyes was done in X-Men.

I guess that means that we can't even have Superman at all, either.

Well he pretty much doesn't do any of that in Superman Returns as it is.

I'm sorry,

No need to apologise dude.

this caught me off guard, but perhaps I missed something;

Yes, you missed the gist of the thread.

how could you possibly compare them, considering that Mongul's abilities have never been put to film in live action before? :confused:

Very simple.

1) Mongul is not an iconic villain.
2) Mongul has no unique (or at least unique to when he was created) abilities.
3) Hes not especially visually interesting. He doesn't really have a 'gimmick' as such.

Although, as I said in an earlier post, that doesn't make him rubbish or worthless. But likewise it doesn't make him especially noteworthy of being included on the big screen.

[The Question]

Well if you have seen the Superman Returns videogame, Metallo is 60 stories tall robot shooting missiles and stuff. Now that IS visually interesting. I'd like to see how Superman takes on something that size.

But Metallo is nothing like that.

1) Mongul is not an iconic villain.

That's because DC's been misusing Darkseid as Superman's cosmic dictator rival, when Mongul should be filling that capacity.

2) Mongul has no unique (or at least unique to when he was created) abilities.

So?No powers are unique anymore.

3) Hes not especially visually interesting.

Actually, I think he is. I mean, he's an 18 foot tall slab of pure muscle. That VS. Superman would make a cool fight.

[Spike_x1]

1) Mongul is not an iconic villain.
2) Mongul has no unique (or at least unique to when he was created) abilities.
3) Hes not especially visually interesting. He doesn't really have a 'gimmick' as such.How exactly is that an explanation as to how you compared Mongul's powers to those elements that you mentioned, which are from entirely different mediums? I mean, you didn't even attempt to explain how you made your comparisons. All you did was repeat the opinion that you posted earlier, which is not remotely what I asked. I'm asking how you managed to make your assessment between certain elements that were in live action and other elements that have never been seen in live action before, but have always been limited to drawings on paper. I can understand seeing similarities, but there's a large difference between seeing something in common with something else and making unwavering comparisons based on those commonalities, considering that the differences in their respective mediums doesn't even allow you to make a side-by-side assessment of which one is better.

For example, I can understand how you can see the similarities between Warworld and the Death Star, but it is completely unfair and unfounded to automatically disregard the very notion of Warworld based on those similarities. For all you know, Warworld in live action may put the Death Star to shame and be a hundred times more visually impressive. You have absolutely no way of knowing.

The same principle applies to all of the characters I've brought up in this discussion.

But no. That's obviously not the way things work :rolleyes:. Hell, you're not even consistent; you dismiss some characters based on the fact that their abilities and gimmicks have already been showcased in other movies, but for some odd reason, you don't dismiss others who fall under the same category. You can't have it both ways.

Based on that same line of thinking which you're using for Mongul, I've already explained why not even Superman himself can appear in his own movies, and yet we know that Superman will of course be showing up in future films. Taking that into consideration, we know for a fact that that train of thought is quite obviously not the same one used by the executives at WB.

[Upper_Krust]

Hello there! :)

But Metallo is nothing like that.

He can change like that though.

That's because DC's been misusing Darkseid as Superman's cosmic dictator rival, when Mongul should be filling that capacity.

Probably because Darkseid is cooler looking, with cooler powers, hes the more iconic villain.

So? No powers are unique anymore.

True to an extent, but Superman is still iconic because he was the original to have those powers and look.

Actually, I think he is. I mean, he's an 18 foot tall slab of pure muscle. That VS. Superman would make a cool fight.

I don't rerember him ever looking 18 feet tall. :huh:

[The Question]

He can change like that though.

I'm pretty sure he can't.

Probably because Darkseid is cooler looking, with cooler powers, hes the more iconic villain.

Yet Darkseid is horribly misplaced as being solely a Superman villain. And, how is he cooler looking?

True to an extent, but Superman is still iconic because he was the original to have those powers and look.

Not really. Superman drew inspiration from several differtent novels and myths. And in any event, no other character is origional, so using that arguement against Mongul is rather moot.

I don't rerember him ever looking 18 feet tall. :huh:

I'm pretty sure he is. He's a good bit more than twice as tall as Batman, and Batman is about six feet tall.

[Spike_x1]

Mongul's size varies from artist to artist, but the general consensus is that he's a HUGE mountain of muscle, towering over the other characters that he's shown with in his stories.

As for Metallo, he's gone giant a couple times before in the comics (the most well known occurance being his upgrade in Y2K). But, assuming that he does become a giant at some point during a movie, I'd save it for the climactic fight scene at the end, and have him be of regular size up until that point.

[The Overlord]

I still fail to see what's not visually intriguing about an ENORMOUS (http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8376/mongul002nm3.jpg), yellow, muscled barbarian, with glowing red eyes, a wicked energy cannon mounted on his chest, can teleport at will, and has a planet-sized galactic weapon under his control.

How aren't those "interesting and original visual quirks and/or abilities"? :confused:.

Mongul is far more feasible than Darksied, he has far less of a back story and convoluted history than Darkseid. Granted he is not as interesting as Darkseid, but he is easier to bring to the silver screen. Plus a lot of people think that darkseid is out of Superman's league, so Superman beating Moongul would create less of a negative fan reaction, than Superman beating Darkseid on screen.

However I would change a few things about his look, I think purple spandex would look silly for someone who is supposed to be a fearsome tyrant, change the colour scheme on his outfit and I think he would be good to go.

[The Question]

I wouldn't change the color scheme. Just make it look more like armor.

[The Overlord]

I wouldn't change the color scheme. Just make it look more like armor.

I don't think purple would work on screen, I know its the colour of royality, but a lot of people don't know that and would believe it would look silly on someone who is supposed to be a fearsome tyrant. Plus the colour purple is kinda foppish, I know black and grey uniforms are a bit cliche, but they are effective in making somone look fearsome, rather than foppish.

[The Question]

What's wrong with purple? Purple looks fine. Especially a darker purple.

[The Overlord]

What's wrong with purple? Purple looks fine. Especially a darker purple.

Like I said it looks kinda foppish. Black and grey are more threatening colours, when is the last time you saw villain wear purple in a film?

[Spike_x1]

I'd be okay with changing some of the look to his armor to adapt it to the big screen, but it would have to have at least some purple elements to it, just for tradition's sake.

Perhaps either darken or redden the purple from Ed McGuinness' rendering of Mongul II, and it might be better suited:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1356/mongulxt3.jpg

Or turn the blue parts of Phil Jimenez's version of Mongul's armor into black or gray, instead of blue, and it could work:

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/639/mongul005wr1.jpg

[The Question]

Like I said it looks kinda foppish. Black and grey are more threatening colours, when is the last time you saw villain wear purple in a film?

The Joker and Mr. Glass are two I can think of. Mr. Glass didn't look foppish.

[The Overlord]

[QUOTE=Spike_x1]I'd be okay with changing some of the look to his armor to adapt it to the big screen, but it would have to have at least some purple elements to it, just for tradition's sake.

Perhaps either darken or redden the purple from Ed McGuinness' rendering of Mongul II, and it might be better suited:

[QUOTE]

Mongul's costume is not iconic, so I don't see why it should be exactly the same in comics and on films. Wolverine's costume is far more recongizible and it wasn't used because pople thought it wouldn't work on screen. What works inthe comics doesn't always work on screen. Plus I think the laser canon sticking out of his chest is bit stupid as well, I like Mongul I who relied on his fists instead of gadgets, the fight between Mongul and superman in JLU was really brutal, without Mongul relying on gadgets, its more brutal and personal without them.

[The Overlord]

The Joker and Mr. Glass are two I can think of. Mr. Glass didn't look foppish.

That's like two villains out of the thousands seen on film. Plus Joker has a theatrical personality so purple works on him, purple really doesn't reflect Mongul's personality.

[The Question]

That's like two villains out of the thousands seen on film. Plus Joker has a theatrical personality so purple works on him, purple really doesn't reflect Mongul's personality.

Purple's purple, dude. There's nothing wrong with it. A dark purple on Mongul doesn't look "foppish."

[The Overlord]

Purple's purple, dude. There's nothing wrong with it. A dark purple on Mongul doesn't look "foppish."

I think purple only works on certain characters and I'm not sure purple will work Mongul on screen. Its not big deal mind you, perhaps purple can be pulled off well on screen and I am not going to be upset if he wears purple and it doesn't look silly, but its more risky to use purple than balck or grey, there is a greater likelyhood that a purple uniform would look silly.

[Spike_x1]

Mongul's costume is not iconic, so I don't see why it should be exactly the same in comics and on films. Wolverine's costume is far more recongizible and it wasn't used because pople thought it wouldn't work on screen. What works inthe comics doesn't always work on screen. Plus I think the laser canon sticking out of his chest is bit stupid as well, I like Mongul I who relied on his fists instead of gadgets, the fight between Mongul and superman in JLU was really brutal, without Mongul relying on gadgets, its more brutal and personal without them.I didn't say it should be exactly the same :huh:. In fact, I even said the opposite: that I'd be fine with changing it, as long as it maintains at least some purple in the color scheme, the same way that Wolverine's movie costume retained the same "slash" marks along the shoulders as his comic book uniform, which worked perfectly well on the silver screen. It was a traditional element in Wolverine's costume design, much the same way as the color purple is a traditional element in Mongul's costume design. Even if it's just a purple trim throughout Mongul's otherwise black and gray armor, or if it simply had a purple sheen to it when seen in the right light, I'd be fine with that in a movie.

Those pictures that I posted were merely suggestions off the top of my head, plus the fact that I even described some changes that I would make to them means that I wouldn't want them appearing exactly as shown. :huh:

As for the cannon/amulet on his chest, he barely ever uses it. And since you brought up his fight with Superman in JLU, I might as well point out that the comic book fight which inspired that entire episode was much more brutal, and Mongul used his fists quite a bit, but also fired the cannon once in the issue. It's a staple in his design which has been there since his first appearance, so they might as well put it to good use.

I mean, if Superman can have such a random power as shooting fire from his eyes, of all places, then Mongul should be allowed the same courtesy to fire energy blasts from random parts of his body.

[The Question]

I think purple only works on certain characters and I'm not sure purple will work Mongul on screen. Its not big deal mind you, perhaps purple can be pulled off well on screen and I am not going to be upset if he wears purple and it doesn't look silly, but its more risky to use purple than balck or grey, there is a greater likelyhood that a purple uniform would look silly.

Puprle wouldn't look silly. Purple would look purple. It's not a silly color.

[The Overlord]

Puprle wouldn't look silly. Purple would look purple. It's not a silly color.

Then how come most film villains dont wear purple, if its such a threatening colour?

[The Question]

Then how come most film villains dont wear purple, if its such a threatening colour?

I didn't say it was threatening. It's not really anything. It's just purple. It simply is.

[superhey]

If Superman franchise want's a success, the movie should have SUPER VILAINS: Like Brainiac or Dark side but I prefer Brainiac.

The Spiderman franchise and The Batman franchise knows that!!!

SUPER VILAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!1

[The Overlord]

I didn't say it was threatening. It's not really anything. It's just purple. It simply is.

Threatening colours work better on villains than none threatening colours, which is why most film villains don't wear purple. Maybe in the trim in his unifrom should be purple, but don't see a purple uniform is better than a black or grey one.

[The Question]

Threatening colours work better on villains than none threatening colours, which is why most film villains don't wear purple. Maybe in the trim in his unifrom should be purple, but don't see a purple uniform is better than a black or grey one.

Purple just works better on Mongul than black or grey. It's what he's always worn, and black or grey would just look stupid on him. There's nothing inherently wrong with purple. It's not especially threatening in of itself, but it's not especially non threatening. It simply is. Purple doesn't make him look silly, so it would work fine.

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Spike! :)

apologies for the slow reply.

How exactly is that an explanation as to how you compared Mongul's powers to those elements that you mentioned, which are from entirely different mediums? I mean, you didn't even attempt to explain how you made your comparisons.


Well, thats the problem with one of us replying point by point (ie. me) and the other not.

All you did was repeat the opinion that you posted earlier, which is not remotely what I asked. I'm asking how you managed to make your assessment between certain elements that were in live action and other elements that have never been seen in live action before, but have always been limited to drawings on paper.


Such elements were in the minority, if in fact there were any such elements at all.

I can understand seeing similarities, but there's a large difference between seeing something in common with something else and making unwavering comparisons based on those commonalities, considering that the differences in their respective mediums doesn't even allow you to make a side-by-side assessment of which one is better.

Obviously I can make a side by side assessment, although part of that will no doubt be subjective.

However a casual glance to ANY poll on these forums as to which villain they want to see in a future movie and Darkseid trumps Mongul EVERY time...and thats if they even remember to include Mongul on such polls.

For example, I can understand how you can see the similarities between Warworld and the Death Star, but it is completely unfair and unfounded to automatically disregard the very notion of Warworld based on those similarities. For all you know, Warworld in live action may put the Death Star to shame and be a hundred times more visually impressive. You have absolutely no way of knowing.


Possibly, but thats, in part at least, irrelevant. Since you know as well as I do that is the first thing the majority of the audience will think upon seeing it.

But no. That's obviously not the way things work :rolleyes:. Hell, you're not even consistent; you dismiss some characters based on the fact that their abilities and gimmicks have already been showcased in other movies, but for some odd reason, you don't dismiss others who fall under the same category. You can't have it both ways.


When I have offered such an opinion its always because the character has some other feature, or just a look that is potentially visually interesting.

Based on that same line of thinking which you're using for Mongul, I've already explained why not even Superman himself can appear in his own movies, and yet we know that Superman will of course be showing up in future films. Taking that into consideration, we know for a fact that that train of thought is quite obviously not the same one used by the executives at WB.

Nonsense, but the fact of the matter is that your criteria for what is, and what is not visually interesting seems to need defining. Since you pretty much list every villain plus the kitchen sink* as visually interesting. So clearly the problem lies with how you interpret the phrase, rather than my critique of Mongul or any other villains.

*Or should that be 'guns'.

I want to see something iconic/original (if possible), 'over the top' spectacular (as Superman should be), exciting and different.

You on the other hand (like so may other fans who settle for the mediocrity of Superman Returns) will seemingly settle for anything you are shovelled.

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there! :)

I'm pretty sure he can't.


Yes he can. Even Spike backed this up (which saves me hunting the web for scans). :)

Yet Darkseid is horribly misplaced as being solely a Superman villain.


I agree, but its a fact that most people now regard him as such.

And, how is he cooler looking?


Well thats just me being subjective. Although the Omega Effect in action is more original-looking and visually interesting that Monguls chest blasts.

Not really. Superman drew inspiration from several differtent novels and myths.


Never said he didn't, but the fact of the matter remains he is regarded as the first superhero. In that respect he is iconic.

And in any event, no other character is origional, so using that arguement against Mongul is rather moot.


But its especially relevant to Mongul who is a copy of Thanos who is himself a copy of Darkseid.


I'm pretty sure he is. He's a good bit more than twice as tall as Batman, and Batman is about six feet tall.

Well I'll go along with it, I knew he was big, I just didn't think he was that big. :D

[The Question]

Yes he can. Even Spike backed this up (which saves me hunting the web for scans). :)

Yeah, I forgot about that. 'Course, I was pretty sure it was only a one time deal. And in any event, I prefer Metallo to be human sized.



I agree, but its a fact that most people now regard him as such.

And it's a fact that most people are idiots.



Well thats just me being subjective. Although the Omega Effect in action is more original-looking and visually interesting that Monguls chest blasts.

Well, that doesn't make Darkseid cooler looking. That makes the Omega Effect cooler looking. Which it is. But Darkseid shouldn't be in the film. It would be disrespectful towards the character.


Never said he didn't, but the fact of the matter remains he is regarded as the first superhero. In that respect he is iconic.

I suppose so. But you still can't argue that Mongul's powers aren't origional when no super powers are origional.


But its especially relevant to Mongul who is a copy of Thanos who is himself a copy of Darkseid.

Mongul is nothing like Thanos. Mongul was made to be a Darkseid equivalent for Superman to be able to fight, though.

[The Overlord]

Purple just works better on Mongul than black or grey. It's what he's always worn, and black or grey would just look stupid on him. There's nothing inherently wrong with purple. It's not especially threatening in of itself, but it's not especially non threatening. It simply is. Purple doesn't make him look silly, so it would work fine.

Are saying that is the case on screen, I have my doubts. Besides why would you say mongul would look better on screen in purple rather than black or grey? Saying that's what he wore in the comics really isn't a good reason, Wolverine wore brown and yellow in the comics and he didn't wear that in the movies.

[The Overlord]

However a casual glance to ANY poll on these forums as to which villain they want to see in a future movie and Darkseid trumps Mongul EVERY time...and thats if they even remember to include Mongul on such polls.

.

But the thing is Mongul would be much easier to adapt to a Superman film than Darkseid. Mongul is far more feasible than Darksied, he has far less of a back story and convoluted history than Darkseid. Granted he is not as interesting as Darkseid, but he is easier to bring to the silver screen. Plus a lot of people think that darkseid is out of Superman's league, so Superman beating Mongul would create less of a negative fan reaction, than Superman beating Darkseid on screen.

[The Question]

Are saying that is the case on screen, I have my doubts. Besides why would you say mongul would look better on screen in purple rather than bnalck or grey?

Because I think he would.

Saying that's what he wore in the comics really isn't a good reason, Wolverine wore brown and yellow in the comics and he didn't wear that in the movies.

I actually would have liked it if they incorperated the more traditional colo scheme into his uniform for the second film. You know, as a form of customization.

[The Overlord]

Because I think he would.



I actually would have liked it if they incorperated the more traditional colo scheme into his uniform for the second film. You know, as a form of customization.

Well what you would have liked is irreelevant compared to what is feasible and what the flim makers think worked on screen. Wolverine in yellow would have been silly (he's wearing yellow and he's trying to use sleath?!) on screen. Again I don't see why you are making such a big deal out of this, if the film makers decided to have Mongul stay in purple and it looked awesome on screen, i would be happy, I just have some doubts about that. Likewsie would you be upset if Mongul was wearing black or grey (or black with a purple trim) on screen and looked awesome?

[The Question]

Well what you would have liked is irreelevant compared to what is feasible and what the flim makers think worked on screen. Wolverine in yellow would have been silly (he's wearing yellow and he's trying to use sleath?!) on screen. Again I don't see why you are making such a big deal out of this, if the film makers decided to have Mongul stay in purple and it looked awesome on screen, i would be happy, I just have some doubts about that. Likewsie would you be upset if Mongul was wearing black or grey (or black with a purple trim) on screen and looked awesome?

I'm not making a big deal out of it. I'm just saying that purple would look fine on screen and I would personally prefer it.

[The Overlord]

I'm not making a big deal out of it. I'm just saying that purple would look fine on screen and I would personally prefer it.

Alright, fair enough.

[Spike_x1]

Upper_Krust, you didn't even try to focus on my arguments, instead dismissing them as "nonsense" rather than attempting any sort of rebuttal. What little of your last post was worth a response was already addressed to by The Question. You need to be less narrow-minded and actually consider the idea that a filmmaker can bring something new and visually interesting to a character, instead of quickly closing the door to any possibilities without a second thought.

For example, yes, the plant and earth modus operandi was done with Poison Ivy in Batman & Robin, but it is not impossible for the filmmakers to come up with some new ideas using the same gimmick if they were to adapt Terra-Man to the silver screen.

The same principle applies to the possibility of Warworld surpassing the Death Star in terms of visual awe, for a final example.

Of course there are going to be some close-minded and unfair comparisons, as you've plainly demonstrated, but the objective of the filmmakers should be to surpass what came before, and make the naysayers eat their words.You on the other hand (like so may other fans who settle for the mediocrity of Superman Returns) will seemingly settle for anything you are shovelled.For the record, I hated Superman Returns, and I will not simply "settle for anything I am shovelled," as you so ignorantly phrased it. What I will settle for is an intriguing villain who brings visual interest, screen presence, and a somewhat accurate character adaptation from page to screen, in a movie. I happen to believe that many of Superman's villains are capable of that if they're handled correctly by the director and screen writers. But you, on the other hand, cannot seem to get over your constantly blind bias towards other movies and comics which have featured similar elements to these characters. The thought doesn't even seem to cross your narrow mind that one of Superman's villains brought to live action could possibly improve upon and surpass what you’re biased towards (Mongul, Warworld, etc, being the main topics of discussion in this case).

Now, I would ask you exactly what gave the impression that I enjoyed SR in the least, but I know that you would simply reply with more close-minded Bizarro logic, so the question will go unasked.

[Lobo]

If like me you'd rather see Darkseid in a New Gods film, but still want to see Supes fight a super powered alien badass why not Mongul? He's basically Darkseid lite and anything you want to do with Darkseid in a movie could be done with Mongul instead And who would you cast? Also would it be so far stretched to turn NK into Warworld?

http://www.gpdesenhos.com.br/imagens/dccomics/mongul2.jpg

[Jasomius]

I don't want to see Mongul in this sequel. But for another I would like to see him.

Who was the guy who played Stryker in X2? I wouldn't mind him in the role.

[matthooper]

I don't want to see Mongul in this sequel. But for another I would like to see him.

Who was the guy who played Stryker in X2? I wouldn't mind him in the role.


That was Brian Cox and he's in his 60's.

That's almost as bad as Ian McKellen playing one of the most powerful mutants at age 70.....oh wait, that did happen.

[Superman \S/]

How about Vin Desiel?

[BrollySupersj]

Micheal Clark Duncan?

[Superman \S/]

I think Ducan would make a better Darkseid.

[Lobo]

Yeah I see Duncan more as Darkseid than as Mongul though I wouldnt be upset were he cast if Mongul were to ever appear. I like Diesel more when he has a supporting role a la Knockaround Guys, I just dont like him as aleading actor. What about Ving Rhames as Mongul?

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7821/vingjk3.jpg

[Superman \S/]

Red x, but either way, I don't see Ving imo.

[Lobo]

Thats cool. Hmm a little outside the box, what about James Avery as the voice? Fixed the red x btw

[Superman \S/]

Wow, not that the red x is fixed Rhames looks ok for the part. :up: Never really heard this Avery guy, what's he done?

[Lobo]

he wa Uncle Phil on Fresh Prince I was jjust thinking of actors with deep voices :O

[Superman \S/]

LOL, damn now I know who you mean. For a deep voice, I guess he would do. But, my personal choice would be Micheal Ironside, for a deep voice.

[M.O.Steel]

i think they should have the brainiac character and darkseid characters combine

[Mr. Socko]

MC Duncan all the way all day

[Jasomius]

That was Brian Cox and he's in his 60's.So? Withn CGI it doesn't matter.

That's almost as bad as Ian McKellen playing one of the most powerful mutants at age 70.....oh wait, that did happen.Magneto's a holocaust survivor, you want a 20 year old playing that?

[matthooper]

Magneto's a holocaust survivor, you want a 20 year old playing that?


X-Men is not our reality. it might take a general approach in our world, but it isn't. The comic and character is from the 60's. Magneto was much younger and comic characters don't age. Magneto was never a frail 70 year old in any comic or X-men tale until the film. He is one of the most powerful mutants on earth.

If Magneto is supposed to be 70 years old in the film, Jean and Scott (original X-Men) would be in their 50's.

[Jasomius]

X-Men is not our reality. it might take a general approach in our world, but it isn't. The comic and character is from the 60's. Magneto was much younger and comic characters don't age. Magneto was never a frail 70 year old in any comic or X-men tale until the film. He is one of the most powerful mutants on earth.

If Magneto is supposed to be 70 years old in the film, Jean and Scott (original X-Men) would be in their 50's.That is a terrible, terrible excuse.

The film does not have to follow the comic timeline or logic, and certain aspects can be changed to tell the story. Singer knew Magneto as a holocaust survivor was an interesting part of the character and changed his appearance as a result. I for one didn't think Magneto showing his age affected the character at all in the X-Men films.

[Lobo]

Guys thats a discussion for another trread ;). Lets get back to casting who we'd like to see as Mongul should he appear :)

[Sebastos]

.......Anyone have pics of Mongul?

[matthooper]

That is a terrible, terrible excuse.

The film does not have to follow the comic timeline or logic, and certain aspects can be changed to tell the story. Singer knew Magneto as a holocaust survivor was an interesting part of the character and changed his appearance as a result. I for one didn't think Magneto showing his age affected the character at all in the X-Men films.

After casting McKellen (who he had worked with in Apt Pupil), Singer changed the character and all of physical action Magneto was supposed to be envolved in.

In X-2, he was so tired during the shoot, they had alter many scenes so he could simply sit, especially the campfire scene. His age changed the character of Magneto, one of the most powerful mutants.

By the way, my vote for Mongul goes to Rosie O'Donnell.

[The Question]

ThThat's almost as bad as Ian McKellen playing one of the most powerful mutants at age 70.....oh wait, that did happen.

But Magneto is in his 70s. He's just a health nut who's quasi-addicted to preformance enhancers.

X-Men is not our reality. it might take a general approach in our world, but it isn't. The comic and character is from the 60's.

But the comics don't take place in the 60s.

Magneto was much younger and comic characters don't age.

Yes, they do. They age slowly, but they age. And characters like the JSA or Magneto, who are locked in a real world time line, age normally.

Magneto was never a frail 70 year old in any comic or X-men tale until the film. He is one of the most powerful mutants on earth.

But Magneto is 70 years old in the comics. And that doesn't change the fact that he's one of the most powerful mutants on Earth. His powers have nothing to do with his physical proiwess. Also, Ian McKellan is hardly frail.

If Magneto is supposed to be 70 years old in the film, Jean and Scott (original X-Men) would be in their 50's.

No, they wouldn't. Magneto is still a holocaust survivor. Jean and Scott are no longer counted as children of the 50s.

After casting McKellen (who he had worked with in Apt Pupil), Singer changed the character and all of physical action Magneto was supposed to be envolved in.

He didn't change the character at all. Magneto was the exact same character he always was.

In X-2, he was so tired during the shoot, they had alter many scenes so he could simply sit, especially the campfire scene.

Where are you getting this from?

His age changed the character of Magneto, one of the most powerful mutants.

But Magneto in the comics is the same age. And his age has nothing to do with how powerful he is.

[Lobo]

.......Anyone have pics of Mongul?
I posted a pic in my first post of this thread but here's a few more.

http://www.glcorps.org/mongul.gif
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/artman/uploads/justicemongul.jpg
The Infinite Crisis figure which i plan on getting
http://www.alteregocomics.com/store/files/images/large/d_2438.jpg
http://www.gpdesenhos.com.br/imagens/dccomics/mongul3.jpg
http://spider-bob.com/villains/dc/images/Mongul01.jpg

[The Question]

Here's the deal about Mongul: He's a yellow, 18 feet tall alien warlord with a chest mounted blaster cannon and enough strength to pimp smack Superman around. He's like Darkseid, but much less powerful and more of a prick. While Darkseid is simply cold towards everyone and willing to do whatever it takes to acomplish his goals, Mongul is an arrogant royal douchebag who loves the sound of his own voice and turns everything into a big show. He keeps his people in line by holding gladitorial battles which he always wins in the end. He hates Superman for being the first person to ever defeat him (as Superman destroyed the mechenisms that Mongul used to cheat when he was faced with an oponent equal to him).

[C. Lee]

You can always have one guy for the body and someone else for the voice. But you guys have made some good choices.

[BrollySupersj]

The DCSH figure of Mongul looks very good.

[Sebastos]

I posted a pic in my first post of this thread but here's a few more.

http://www.glcorps.org/mongul.gif
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/artman/uploads/justicemongul.jpg
The Infinite Crisis figure which i plan on getting
http://www.alteregocomics.com/store/files/images/large/d_2438.jpg
http://www.gpdesenhos.com.br/imagens/dccomics/mongul3.jpg
http://spider-bob.com/villains/dc/images/Mongul01.jpg

Thanks for the pics. When I look at him, no one really comes to mind. :ninja:

[Lobo]

I'm still liking my Ving Rhames idea. Can someone do a manip of this pic please?

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/superman/superman8.jpghttp://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7821/vingjk3.jpg

[Jasomius]

After casting McKellen (who he had worked with in Apt Pupil), Singer changed the character and all of physical action Magneto was supposed to be envolved in.I don't see how. He still hated humans and could control metal.

In X-2, he was so tired during the shoot, they had alter many scenes so he could simply sit, especially the campfire scene.The campfire scene didn't require Magneto to be creating huge tornadoes of twisted metal. His age changed the character of Magneto, one of the most powerful mutants.But it didn't. It actually helped keep the holocaust survivor part of his backstory look credible, strengthening the pathos of his hatred towards humans.

[DavidTyler]

With Darksied, you get all of his supporting cast. Darksied's son Kalibak would foot the bill for a one-on-one battle w/Supes.

I still like Mongul for the same kind of thing, though. It's just more believable if the antagonist has an agenda other than getting into a fist fight w/big blue.

As to casting him, there are a lot of big guys floating around Hollywood. a character like Mongul doesn't require a great actor. He doesn't have the same kind of depth as Darksied.

[BrollySupersj]

IF mongul does end up being the villian, I would prefer the production crew to make him look like this.

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/?mode=view&album=2006_SDCC%2FMattel%2F6_Inch_DC_Superheroes&pic=IMG_1593.jpg&dispsize=800&start=0

[GreenKToo]

good choice.:yay: I'm still liking my Ving Rhames idea. Can someone do a manip of this pic please?

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/superman/superman8.jpghttp://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7821/vingjk3.jpg

[Jasomius]

IF mongul does end up being the villian, I would prefer the production crew to make him look like this.

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/?mode=view&album=2006_SDCC%2FMattel%2F6_Inch_DC_Superheroes&pic=IMG_1593.jpg&dispsize=800&start=0Needs to look less like the Hulk in proportion.

[The Question]

Needs to look less like the Hulk in proportion.

Mongul is an 18 feet tall slab of muscle. His build is quite Hulk like.

[Lobo]

if he ever appears in amovie I dont want him 18 fet tall. 8 feet would be good for film IMO

[Weadazoid]

We have all been discussing this at great lenght and none of us are in agreement and when it comes to brainiack we can't even agree on which verzion of him should be snet out.

Some say Supermans Rouges gallory is either to complicated or to simple to work in a big film.

Doomsday is really just a plot device that was used to bring about the death of Superman he was big he was strong, but not very interesting.

Darksiede is a very real threat to Superman and really the earth in general but his backstory is just oh so invovled and given Singer never wanted to step close to the otherworldlies in X men guys with god like power in Apocalypse why would go for Darksiede in Superman?


Brainiack, Humaniod, or compleatly robot or some combination of the two...or some combination of the comics and TAS...is he from Krypton or is he from Colu....what is he? Too much for SInger to consider.

Zod, Simple Kryptonian Criminal so...he has al of Supermans same powers but he is evil..perfect only problem he has been done before

Metallo...sure it's Superman vs the Terminator but last time I checked in terms of power ...Superman destorys the Terminator.


All of this being said is it time for something new? and even if it isn't another question what do you prefer more.

A villain who is physicaly bigger then Superman brstling with muscles that rival Supermans... The Darkside/Doomsday theory.

a Villain that apears to be Supermans physical Equal...the Zod theory/


Or a guy who seem to be smaller then Superman yet at the same time more powerful The Humanoid Brainaick theory. Or something new..



Something new as in the theroy that really worked for Terminator 2... they did enough to show the audience that the T 100 was in fact a better killing machine then Arnold and even though Patrick was physicaly smaller it created a very interesting visual in terms of fight sequences.

[Super Kal]

i honestly dont think it needs to... he has enough already to choose from, so why create another?

[Weadazoid]

If I was going about it with only older villains I would have to go with Brainiack.


But what I would most like to see is the villain be presented as a kind of hero at first...doing some increadible deed that actulay rivaled something Superman did or seemed like something Superman should have done.


Perhaps it is all planned out that way sort of like how the Penguin was revealed to the public in Batman Returns.


I odn't know just trying to think of something new to talk about I suppose

[M.O.Steel]

combine the brainiac character and the darkseid character. Have brainiac come from krypton, but has every intention of invading earth. I think 2-3 should be filmed together, brainaic leading both but becoming the real villian in the 3rd one with a huge WOTW ID4 type invasion.

[batlovescatDC]

Oh... you mean let 'em create villain like... I don't know... Nuclear Man that we got in The Quest For Peace... no thanks... I would rather see Brainiac, Darkseid, Metallo, or Doomsday.

NO GENERAL ZOD!!! It's been done... don't keep repeating yourselves, WB!

[Weadazoid]

too big or singer

If we get Brainaick I could actualy see Singer making him a human creation, not a alien in any way..sort of a combination of Metallo and Brainaick.

The military testing a new CPU to human interface...an accident happens and Brainaick is created. Or knowing Singer he puts a twist on it..terrorists try to steal the tefch a battle ensues and while stopping the terrorists Superman acutaly causes the accident and creation of Brainiack

actualy creates a nice little Wrath of Kahn revenge twist ... but it isn't really brainiack or Metallo...

it could actualy kind of work if explained properly

[Weadazoid]

Oh... you mean let 'em create villain like... I don't know... Nuclear Man that we got in The Quest For Peace... no thanks... I would rather see Brainiac, Darkseid, Metallo, or Doomsday.

NO GENERAL ZOD!!! It's been done... don't keep repeating yourselves, WB!



no not like Nuclear MAn..he was terrible really, and really all he was was a terrible take on Bizzaro IMO...and I would give SInger some creative credit in thinking he would give us a much more promising villain then Nuclear man

[markaudette]

I would so very, very dearly love to see Darkseid as the next movie's main villain.

Darkseid, the prison planet Apokolips, Orion, Barta - they ALL can be done.

If a live-action Transformers movie can be filmed...

If Galactus and the Silver Surfer can star in the next Fantastic Four movie...

Then Darkseid can easily appear in the next Superman movie.

[Weadazoid]

Ture but you have to realize this will be a SInger...real movie not a fantasty driven dreamscape with sureal immagery and alien wars.

I would love to see it as well, but it would require Singer to really step out of his envelope and I just don't see that happen.


Think about it Singer gives the X world Wolverien and is pretty tru to the character, much as he did with Superman, but insteand of making Lady Deathstike, a cybernetic reaver style villain he makes her essentialy a weapon X reject.


as I said watch if he gives us Brainiack he totlay rewrites the character and possibly even makes him a human creation.

I just can't see alien ships in a Singer Superman movie, even though Superman is himself a Alien I think Singer doesn't really think of him in that way.

[Super Kal]

yoou CAN do Brainiac and still keep it within the real world...

[igotatromboner]

Do you honestly think Singer and co. could create a rich enough character to stand toe-to-toe with Superman? They couldn't even handle the established characters correctly.

[BrollySupersj]

Creating a new villian would be a good approach. I wouldn't mind seeing what the writers could come up with.

[Weadazoid]

yoou CAN do Brainiac and still keep it within the real world...


how by going with my sugestion having him be a entirely human creation..some military experiment gone wrong..or by having to probe Idea..alien technology ect ect.. and finding it's way int a human host.

Either way Singer will piss off the legions of fans in suppot of the entirely robotic Brainiack.

[Octoberist]

Let's say that we go with a brand new villain. From scratch.

Again, there will be a group of people who will bash Singer even more so than before by doing that, citing that he doesn't follow the comics.

I'll be dissapointed as well.

Now, if the character is well written, then that will be okay, I guess. But come on, WB would never allow this to happen b/c they know well enough that it will create a backlash.

[dark_b]

brainiac is 100% possible.

[Jasomius]

Mongul is an 18 feet tall slab of muscle. His build is quite Hulk like.Doesn't mean it would come across well on film. I think he needs more human proportions (Something like Micheal Clarke Duncan) to pull off a convincing powerhouse but still retain a look of intelligence. Enemies as big as the Hulk in films generally come across as brutish and dumb.

[TripXyDE]

I would so very, very dearly love to see Darkseid as the next movie's main villain.

Darkseid, the prison planet Apokolips, Orion, Barta - they ALL can be done.

If a live-action Transformers movie can be filmed...

If Galactus and the Silver Surfer can star in the next Fantastic Four movie...

Then Darkseid can easily appear in the next Superman movie.

i'm an obese fan of the Darkseid storylines

but Bryan Singer would say: "No, i don't think so... putting all that violent action in there??? it just wouldn't satisfy my pathetic fetish for the Donner Superman... i wanna do the whole 'Superman faces his enemy--not with his fists---but by a metrosexual smile' routine"

[toddly6666]

wasn't the old woman villainess from Superman 3 a combination of Brainiac and Metallo when she merges and gets power from the super computer?

[Showtime]

I think it was, they should have just went forward and did Metallo and Brainiac. I think the supercomputer was supposed to be Brainiac while the woman was a take off on Metallo. Then they had Superman fighting himself, which was a take off on Bizzaro. They should have just went forward with Brainiac, Metallo, and Bizzaro and that Superman might have been the best Superman movie made.

[Weadazoid]

wasn't the old woman villainess from Superman 3 a combination of Brainiac and Metallo when she merges and gets power from the super computer?

If she was she really did not last long in terms of a fight

[Rewstar]

I would prefer an existing villiain from the comics. If they do create a new villain go with an entirely new concept rather than one which might be viewed as a tampered version of recognisable character.

[GreenKToo]

Superman has waaaay to many villians in his rogue to think about making up a new one....If singer cant/wont use the exisiting supervillians,then the sequel's B.O. will be the same or worse than S.R.'s..,and that could end the superman films for a long while..

[Jasomius]

Singer doesn't need to create a new villain, Superman already has many ready to use that haven't been put on the big screen yet.

[hulkamania]

We can't trust singer to create a new villian. we couldn't even trust him to reinvent Superman properly for the 21st century. Superman Returns could have been the greatest comic book movie of all times if the balance between action and drama was done correctly with a totally new rebirth of Superman. Besides, we have:
Darkseid
Braniac
Metallo
Parasite
Bizzaro
(I left out Zod, because, I don't want Zod again)


What the heck do we need an new villian for when the ones previously mentioned haven't been given a good chance?

[WormyT]

There BETTER NOT be anymore god awful garbage that doesn't already exist in the 60+ years of source material already in existance. I'm already 50/50 about seeing the sequel but I will certainly avoid it like cancer if he uses Zod or makes up so god awful baloney that doesn't already exist.

[The Overlord]

Creating a new villian would be a good approach. I wouldn't mind seeing what the writers could come up with.

You mean like how creating Ross Weber or Nuclear Man was a good approach fo Superman III and IV?

[saint sinner x]

I say they should just make Metallo as the next villain I mean seriously singer wants to keep the film's premesis on a semi-reality based world I can see Metallo working very well in the next film. Metallo would be a very bad ass villain for Superman to go head to head and we haven't seen a live version of Metallo anyways so it will be interesting and Please singer NO LEX LUTHOR which I'm sure they will explain what happened to him in Superman Returns...

[Jasomius]

I say they should just make Metallo as the next villain I mean seriously singer wants to keep the film's premesis on a semi-reality based world I can see Metallo working very well in the next film. Metallo would be a very bad ass villain for Superman to go head to head and we haven't seen a live version of Metallo anyways so it will be interesting and Please singer NO LEX LUTHOR which I'm sure they will explain what happened to him in Superman Returns...You have to have Lex Luthor, he is a central character, not just a throwaway villain.

[saint sinner x]

Having lex luthor is like having the joker in three Batman films it's going to get repulsive.

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

Lets just hope Superman is more focused on problems of the world, then just pining over lois and looking like he is about to cry. Which i got the immpression a couple of times in SR






P.s.

Please no more chick flick mmmmk Mr Singer

[Jasomius]

Having lex luthor is like having the joker in three Batman films it's going to get repulsive.Except it's not like that at all. Luthor is more than a villain, he's a main character. I'm not saying he should be Superman's foe in every movie, but he should have a role.

[M.O.Steel]

Having lex luthor is like having the joker in three Batman films it's going to get repulsive.

No, having lex is like having Magneto in all three films. Like the person above me said, he isn't just the villian of the week, he is central to the superman mythos.

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

Thats why I dont understand, the writers could of at least incorporated some of modern day lex into the movies, he just came off as one dimensional standard old villian with not much going for him besides the next big real-estate scam

[GreenKToo]

check it out.Superman Vs. Batman is apparently still on W.B.'s mind...."IF" u believe movie hole.

http://www.moviehole.net/clint/20061029_caffeinated_clint_291006.html

[C. Lee]

No, having lex is like having Magneto in all three films. Like the person above me said, he isn't just the villian of the week, he is central to the superman mythos.
I agree....Lex can be in all the movies...but he doesn't have to be the main bad guy in them. Just as Magneto and Professor X had to band together to take out Stryker...Supes and Lex can be in the same movie without constantly trying to kill each other.

[Jasomius]

Thats why I dont understand, the writers could of at least incorporated some of modern day lex into the movies, he just came off as one dimensional standard old villian with not much going for him besides the next big real-estate scamWhat was so one dimensional about him?

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

His plot made little to no sense, how could any one live on that cold lifeless rock

[C. Lee]

It wasn't finished transforming yet.

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

It wasn't finished transforming yet.


All it would of done was put earth in jeopardy, not much of a money making plan if you ask me

[BrollySupersj]

Parasite would be cool, or would he be more of a secondary type villian?

[C. Lee]

All it would of done was put earth in jeopardy, not much of a money making plan if you ask me
It was transforming Earth organics into a Krypton/Earth hybrid. If it hadn't been thrown into space...it would have eventually transformed into a lush garden of Eden like landmass.

Lex told the image of Jor-El to "Tell me everything".....and after this, he had the plan to grow NK, kill billions of people, and force the survivors to pay handsomely for the chance to live there.

If Jor-El had told him - "Take the crystal, throw it into the ocean.....and it will grow a giant barren wasteland that will kill billions of people uselessly." I don't think that even crazy Lex would have gone through with it.

But....if Jor-El had said - "If the crystal is thrown into the ocean...it will recreate a part of the most lush and fruitful section of Krypton...at the cost of billions of Earthmen's lives.".Then....yes, then....Lex would say...."I have a plan."

[Super Kal]

we'll never know...

[Jasomius]

It was transforming Earth organics into a Krypton/Earth hybrid. If it hadn't been thrown into space...it would have eventually transformed into a lush garden of Eden like landmass.

Lex told the image of Jor-El to "Tell me everything".....and after this, he had the plan to grow NK, kill billions of people, and force the survivors to pay handsomely for the chance to live there.

If Jor-El had told him - "Take the crystal, throw it into the ocean.....and it will grow a giant barren wasteland that will kill billions of people uselessly." I don't think that even crazy Lex would have gone through with it.

But....if Jor-El had said - "If the crystal is thrown into the ocean...it will recreate a part of the most lush and fruitful section of Krypton...at the cost of billions of Earthmen's lives.".Then....yes, then....Lex would say...."I have a plan."I wish they would've expanded on Lex's plan and his motivations, that was one of the movie's weak points IMO.

[The Overlord]

It was transforming Earth organics into a Krypton/Earth hybrid. If it hadn't been thrown into space...it would have eventually transformed into a lush garden of Eden like landmass.

Lex told the image of Jor-El to "Tell me everything".....and after this, he had the plan to grow NK, kill billions of people, and force the survivors to pay handsomely for the chance to live there.

If Jor-El had told him - "Take the crystal, throw it into the ocean.....and it will grow a giant barren wasteland that will kill billions of people uselessly." I don't think that even crazy Lex would have gone through with it.

But....if Jor-El had said - "If the crystal is thrown into the ocean...it will recreate a part of the most lush and fruitful section of Krypton...at the cost of billions of Earthmen's lives.".Then....yes, then....Lex would say...."I have a plan."

We don't know what Jor-El said. Seriously the only defence of Lex's plan is based on speculation on things we didn't see in the flim, a good evil plot would showed the technology Lex would uses to terra form NK and repel the military, we didn't see that. There is a million better things Lex could have done with that technology, instead we got dumbest plan possible.

[Jasomius]

there is only one option,

its to continue what bryan has started, let the homages continue and the vague history continue,

heres the teaserS for the sequel, exclusive stuff, not to be sniffed at,

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2074/questforop0.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5414/9246f64ff9copyjx4.jpgThe fact somebody would take the time to make that despite not liking SR is depressing.

[C. Lee]

We don't know what Jor-El said. Seriously the only defence of Lex's plan is based on speculation on things we didn't see in the flim, a good evil plot would showed the technology Lex would uses to terra form NK and repel the military, we didn't see that. There is a million better things Lex could have done with that technology, instead we got dumbest plan possible.
I didn't say this "IS" what Jor-El said...I stated that "IF" Jor-El had said this....

I just gave one reasonable deduction of a probability.

[WormyT]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1434/s2qu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Pythenis]

I would much rather see Darkseid,....here's an easy link back to Superman Returns:

Darkseid has had spies watching the remains of Krypton waiting for the 1 vessel that escaped to return, Clark returned to Krpton in Superman Returns and when he left his ship was traced back to Earth.

We could go with a little flash back to when Clark was looking over the remains of Krypton and he was un aware he was being watched. Then you could cut to Darksied getting the news a Kryptonia has returned to Krypton.

This would trigger the:

"I finally can get my revenge on the house of El/Kryptononians"

" this guy could lead me to Brainiac"

or

"Finally the Kryptonian I need to hatch some plan", that turns into hey I like this planet earth i think I need to destroy it?


There could even be a tie to Zod with a back story where Darksied had a deal with Zod, Zod gets Krypton DArksied gets Brainiac. Neither happend and Darksied wants his pay off?


It wouldn't be to hard to tie in and no matter what way Darksied would be cool..

[Hugebear]

Metallo...sure it's Superman vs the Terminator but last time I checked in terms of power ...Superman destorys the Terminator.


Something new as in the theroy that really worked for Terminator 2... they did enough to show the audience that the T 100 was in fact a better killing machine then Arnold and even though Patrick was physicaly smaller it created a very interesting visual in terms of fight sequences.

But the terminator Metallo would look so cool on the big screen and is so much more powerful than the terminator that he does not need guns. His fight with Superman is what many want to see. No shooting lasers or beams from the eyes, just pure mano a mano combat and destruction. :up:

A mindless killing cyborg created like the terminator by Lex with the advance alien technology.

[fletch1076]

Not at all. They should sick to the villians we all know. Comic books movies that make new villians never work. Let's be honest, this movies are all about the villians. That is what makes them.

That being said, I think we need to be patient with the villians in superman. Too many people want Darksied of Doomsday for the next movie. That would kill this franchise. Studios are her to make money and it's all about the sequals.

Think about it Doomsday in the second movie, then who in the 3rd. Who is ever going to equal up to the test superman would face againts doomsday.

That is way you have to start of slow. First Lex, than a metellio, or brainiac, then you start moving into the Big Boys.

This is were F4 is making their mistake, ok after the sequal with Galactus, who do they fight in the 3rd movie? Mole man-please.

[X-Maniac]

It was transforming Earth organics into a Krypton/Earth hybrid. If it hadn't been thrown into space...it would have eventually transformed into a lush garden of Eden like landmass.

Lex told the image of Jor-El to "Tell me everything".....and after this, he had the plan to grow NK, kill billions of people, and force the survivors to pay handsomely for the chance to live there.

If Jor-El had told him - "Take the crystal, throw it into the ocean.....and it will grow a giant barren wasteland that will kill billions of people uselessly." I don't think that even crazy Lex would have gone through with it.

But....if Jor-El had said - "If the crystal is thrown into the ocean...it will recreate a part of the most lush and fruitful section of Krypton...at the cost of billions of Earthmen's lives.".Then....yes, then....Lex would say...."I have a plan."

That's a big stretch...

Nowhere in the movie does it indicate that the landmass would have become a lush 'Garden of Eden'...

Also, you assume that Jor-El was a consciousness who spoke to Lex specifically - but Lex indicates in the movie that Jor-El cannot see or hear them but is a 'pre-recorded' vision that cannot interact with the viewer. I doubt the possibility of throwing the control panel crystals into the Atlantic was part of the tutorial!

Since so many people have commented on the black rock as an apparent illogicality (dramatic though it might have looked), then it can't have been a perfect part of the story.

A piece of dialogue would so easily have sorted this out:
Kitty (on nasty black rock): 'You call THIS real estate?'
Lex: 'Wait until you see what the other crystals can do'

For me, the black rock was just another example of the lack of colour and sparkle in the film. Even the FOS lacked any crystalline sparkle. Not to mention all the secrets of a dead alien civilisation were protected by a mild snowstorm....

It's all the more surprising given the neurotic attention to detail that Singer is known for, and which produced much more flowing, dynamic efforts in his X-movies.

[C. Lee]

That's a big stretch...
Well....I'm a big guy.

Nowhere in the movie does it indicate that the landmass would have become a lush 'Garden of Eden'...And....where did I say it did? I gave a - POSSIBILITY SCENERIO - my possibility scenerio goes on the theory that Lex is intelligent, uses information gathered from Jor-El, and has vision to look to the future....your possibility scenerio is apparently that Lex is possibly a moron...I'd rather run with mine.

Also, you assume that Jor-El was a consciousness who spoke to Lex specifically - but Lex indicates in the movie that Jor-El cannot see or hear them but is a 'pre-recorded' vision that cannot interact with the viewer. I doubt the possibility of throwing the control panel crystals into the Atlantic was part of the tutorial!Lex says that in Superman II not in Superman Returns....thanks to vague history we can throw that out the window and go with the thought that the Jor-El projection was an interactive artificial intelligence program that tells him everything.

Since so many people have commented on the black rock as an apparent illogicality (dramatic though it might have looked), then it can't have been a perfect part of the story.
I never said it was illogical....it grew from the murky mucky bottom of the ocean...not the pristine ice of the arctic...so it wasn't as pretty as the FOS.

A piece of dialogue would so easily have sorted this out:
Kitty (on nasty black rock): 'You call THIS real estate?'
Lex: 'Wait until you see what the other crystals can do'Let me get this straight...it's ok for you to come up with explainatory scenes but not ok for me to do it.:csad:

For me, the black rock was just another example of the lack of colour and sparkle in the film. Even the FOS lacked any crystalline sparkle. Not to mention all the secrets of a dead alien civilisation were protected by a mild snowstorm....Yeah...all those spring break revellers use it to party every year and they never clean it up.

[explode7]

Seeing as how non creative BS and his crew are if he created a villain it would probably be a rip off of Genral Zod.

[The Overlord]

Well....I'm a big guy.

And....where did I say it did? I gave a - POSSIBILITY SCENERIO - my possibility scenerio goes on the theory that Lex is intelligent, uses information gathered from Jor-El, and has vision to look to the future....your possibility scenerio is apparently that Lex is possibly a moron...I'd rather run with mine.


Lex says that in Superman II not in Superman Returns....thanks to vague history we can throw that out the window and go with the thought that the Jor-El projection was an interactive artificial intelligence program that tells him everything.


I never said it was illogical....it grew from the murky mucky bottom of the ocean...not the pristine ice of the arctic...so it wasn't as pretty as the FOS.

Let me get this straight...it's ok for you to come up with explainatory scenes but not ok for me to do it.:csad:

Yeah...all those spring break revellers use it to party every year and they never clean it up.

Still the idea that Lex had the tech to turn NK into a garden of eden is just speculation and nothing more. Seriously you speculation to fill the holes in Lex's plan, that should be a sign that his plan wasn't very good in the first place.

[C. Lee]

Still the idea that Lex had the tech to turn NK into a garden of eden is just speculation and nothing more. Seriously you speculation to fill the holes in Lex's plan, that should be a sign that his plan wasn't very good in the first place.
No one ever notices....I never said I thought it was a great, good, or mediocre plan......people ask why something is done....and I give them a plausable explanation. You can like it or not, no skin off of my nose.....I only don't like that some people will not even try and see something else as a possibility....I am only giving you guys something to think about......to use your imaginations.....like people who read sci-fi and comics should do.

[Jasomius]

No one ever notices....I never said I thought it was a great, good, or mediocre plan......people ask why something is done....and I give them a plausable explanation. You can like it or not, no skin off of my nose.....I only don't like that some people will not even try and see something else as a possibility....I am only giving you guys something to think about......to use your imaginations.....like people who read sci-fi and comics should do.It's because thse naysayers have to turn everything around so they can complain. They're not here for discussion, but just to whine about not getting what they want.

There are some things I don't like about SR, but you don't see me whining.

[X-Maniac]

Lex says that in Superman II not in Superman Returns....thanks to vague history we can throw that out the window and go with the thought that the Jor-El projection was an interactive artificial intelligence program that tells him everything.

In SR, Kitty asks Lex if the Jor-El vision can see or hear them, and he says 'no' as it keeps on speaking so it's fair to presume it's not an interactive artificial intelligence program, it's just an audio/video projection... it's activated by the crystals and its makers assume only Kal-E would be listening to it.

This has to occur in the movie to drive the story. Lex has to be able to easily get into the FOS and has to be able to easily access the information. Which doesn't exactly make sense.

I never said it was illogical....it grew from the murky mucky bottom of the ocean...not the pristine ice of the arctic...so it wasn't as pretty as the FOS.

I wouldn't call the FOS pretty, it was just white rather than black, but it had no sparkle to it. That landmass would also have had far more kryptonite in it, given the amount in the cylinder of it surrounding the much smaller crystal, but the demands of the story meant that the kryptonite veins couldn't be too visible or Superman would never have landed on it. The 'needs' of the story affected the logic of what was shown (as happens in other sci-fi) but somehow one expects Bryan's perfectionism to create a stronger illusion of reality than this....

Let me get this straight...it's ok for you to come up with explainatory scenes but not ok for me to do it.:csad:

You didn't come up with an explanatory scene! You made a huge leap that Lex was creating a Garden of Eden, when nothing in the movie indicated it. For all we know, Lex had no idea that his island would look exactly like that.

Yeah...all those spring break revellers use it to party every year and they never clean it up.

Heh... but still, there are Arctic explorers and Inuit communities and research scientists who might accidentally discover the Fortress, and wild animals who might find it and cause damage. Better security than a mild snowstorm might be a good idea! No one's asking for the giant key once shown in the comics, but at least the comics depicted security...

[J.Howlett]

Actually, Lex's plan is more about revenge than making billions off of land.

And the reason I say this is because, why lace his new landmass with Kryptonite? He already had all the crystals he needed to create as many landmasses as he wanted to make his billions. Why lace it with Kryptonite?

Once Lex finds out about the return of Superman, his plan is about revenge.

Kitty: "Lex?"
Lex: (nonchalant) "Uh huh?"
Kitty: "Are billions of people really going to die?"
Lex: (cold) "Yes."

Lex doesn't care. He got what he wanted. The plan may have started out one way but it transformed into a revenge plan. Plain and simple. The film was very clear on this.

As for villian, I have no idea. I mean, Superman doesn't have the greatest of villians outside of Lex. I do forsee Lex trying to turn the public opinion on Superman around for his own purposes. As for a villian standing toe to toe with him, I hope they create something new but it'll be Zod.

And if it is, Singer and his team will get killed by everyone for using Zod. At the same time, I just don't see anyone equal to Superman other than Zod.

I do hope they create a new one. Along with Lex, that's the only way to really good....since the "fanbase" wants more originality in the franchise.

The real question is can fans by the fact that technically Superman II (no matter which version) doesn't count in the Superman Returns mythos. It's only Superman The Movie that really counts.

[J.Howlett]

The other thing Singer could do is having a second surviving of Krypton....but it's not Zod. An entirely new character.

[Jasomius]

The other thing Singer could do is having a second surviving of Krypton....but it's not Zod. An entirely new character.I don't see the need to create one.

[The Overlord]

Actually, Lex's plan is more about revenge than making billions off of land.

And the reason I say this is because, why lace his new landmass with Kryptonite? He already had all the crystals he needed to create as many landmasses as he wanted to make his billions. Why lace it with Kryptonite?

Once Lex finds out about the return of Superman, his plan is about revenge.

Kitty: "Lex?"
Lex: (nonchalant) "Uh huh?"
Kitty: "Are billions of people really going to die?"
Lex: (cold) "Yes."

Lex doesn't care. He got what he wanted. The plan may have started out one way but it transformed into a revenge plan. Plain and simple. The film was very clear on this.

As for villian, I have no idea. I mean, Superman doesn't have the greatest of villians outside of Lex. I do forsee Lex trying to turn the public opinion on Superman around for his own purposes. As for a villian standing toe to toe with him, I hope they create something new but it'll be Zod.

And if it is, Singer and his team will get killed by everyone for using Zod. At the same time, I just don't see anyone equal to Superman other than Zod.

I do hope they create a new one. Along with Lex, that's the only way to really good....since the "fanbase" wants more originality in the franchise.

The real question is can fans by the fact that technically Superman II (no matter which version) doesn't count in the Superman Returns mythos. It's only Superman The Movie that really counts.

Villains like Brainiac, Doomsday, Mongul, Darkseid, Metallo, Bizzaro and Parasite can give Superman a fist fight.

If Movie Lex was a true genius he would have developed a plan to get revenge on Superman without pissing off the rest of world and ensuring they kill him in the near future.

[The Overlord]

Actually, Lex's plan is more about revenge than making billions off of land.

And the reason I say this is because, why lace his new landmass with Kryptonite? He already had all the crystals he needed to create as many landmasses as he wanted to make his billions. Why lace it with Kryptonite?

Once Lex finds out about the return of Superman, his plan is about revenge.

Kitty: "Lex?"
Lex: (nonchalant) "Uh huh?"
Kitty: "Are billions of people really going to die?"
Lex: (cold) "Yes."

Lex doesn't care. He got what he wanted. The plan may have started out one way but it transformed into a revenge plan. Plain and simple. The film was very clear on this.

As for villian, I have no idea. I mean, Superman doesn't have the greatest of villians outside of Lex. I do forsee Lex trying to turn the public opinion on Superman around for his own purposes. As for a villian standing toe to toe with him, I hope they create something new but it'll be Zod.

And if it is, Singer and his team will get killed by everyone for using Zod. At the same time, I just don't see anyone equal to Superman other than Zod.

I do hope they create a new one. Along with Lex, that's the only way to really good....since the "fanbase" wants more originality in the franchise.

The real question is can fans by the fact that technically Superman II (no matter which version) doesn't count in the Superman Returns mythos. It's only Superman The Movie that really counts.

Villains like Brainiac, Doomsday, Mongul, Darkseid, Metallo, Bizzaro and Parasite can give Superman a fist fight.

If Movie Lex was a true genius he would have developed a plan to get revenge on Superman without pissing off the rest of world and ensuring they kill him in the near future.

[Jasomius]

If Movie Lex was a true genius he would have developed a plan to get revenge on Superman without pissing off the rest of world and ensuring they kill him in the near future.You don't understand Lex's character. He is so full of himself he'd annoy the rest of the world just to kill Superman.

[J.Howlett]

It's not the question of whether those villians can give Superman a real challenge.

The issue is PLAUSIBILITY(within the reality Singer set up) and PRACTICALLY (considering that the budget will be lower than Superman Returns).

It is in those parameters that you'll be find the villian to challenge Superman in the sequel, besides Lex.

Who best fits that description?

[Jasomius]

It's not the question of whether those villians can give Superman a real challenge.

The issue is PLAUSIBILITY(within the reality Singer set up) and PRACTICALLY (considering that the budget will be lower than Superman Returns).

It is in those parameters that you'll be find the villian to challenge Superman in the sequel, besides Lex.

Who best fits that description?Braniac.

[J.Howlett]

Why Braniac? Does he have the physicality to go toe to toe with Superman, because that's what people (fanbase, I guess) want to see....

[J.Howlett]

Nevermind. I just looked Braniac up and he could work. The most obvious thing that would have to be changed, in some form, is his origin. Other than that, he could work.

He seems like a perfect fit to have some form of alliance with Luthor.

[The Overlord]

You don't understand Lex's character. He is so full of himself he'd annoy the rest of the world just to kill Superman.

Mass murder goes far beyond annoying the rest of the world. Lex is supposed to be a genius, not a fool, comic book Lex and STAS Lex have developed schemes to kill Superman and not be killed in the process, why couldn't Movie Lex do the same.

[Jasomius]

Mass murder goes far beyond annoying the rest of the world. Lex is supposed to be a genius, not a fool, comic book Lex and STAS Lex have developed schemes to kill Superman and not be killed in the process, why couldn't Movie Lex do the same.Because movie Lex is not comic book Lex or STAS Lex.

It was established in S:tM that Lex is willing to kill many people just so he could have power, what with destroying California and all. In Superman II, he sides with Zod who plans to completely eradicate civilisation as he knows it, all for the leadership of Australia. And even in Superman IV, Lex condones nuclear weapons for the sake of profit and power, the fact nukes are so destructive doesn't register with him (Of course Superman IV is not in continuity)

Do I think Lex should have elaborated on his plan a bit more in SR? Yes. But will I whine about it? No. I just hope Singer will do better in the sequel.

[The Overlord]

Because movie Lex is not comic book Lex or STAS Lex.

It was established in S:tM that Lex is willing to kill many people just so he could have power, what with destroying California and all. In Superman II, he sides with Zod who plans to completely eradicate civilisation as he knows it, all for the leadership of Australia. And even in Superman IV, Lex condones nuclear weapons for the sake of profit and power, the fact nukes are so destructive doesn't register with him (Of course Superman IV is not in continuity)

Do I think Lex should have elaborated on his plan a bit more in SR? Yes. But will I whine about it? No. I just hope Singer will do better in the sequel.

So movie Lex is dumb as Hell, how is that a good thing? Seriously a 5 year old could have pointed out the flaws in his plan, when he is sitting around in that cave, what's to stop the Military from launching an air strike on him, what's to stop someone from buying land on NK, then killing Lex in his sleep in revenge for all the people he killed. Seriously anyone who has read Machiavelli knows pissing people off is good way to ensure they kill you later. So Lex's plan will ensure he will be killed a month, max. Is Movie Lex stupid or does he just have a death wish?

I wouldn't be complaining about the plan, if it wasn't incredibly stupid and so jarring it will took me right out of the movie. Good movies need good villains and Lex is supposed to be intelligent, the fool we got instead doesn't warrant an appearance in a sequel.

[GreenKToo]

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[M.O.Steel]

I agree....Lex can be in all the movies...but he doesn't have to be the main bad guy in them. Just as Magneto and Professor X had to band together to take out Stryker...Supes and Lex can be in the same movie without constantly trying to kill each other.

exactly.

[Lobo]

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[GreenKToo]

we have something similar to that in our fire dept. we use them to lift crashed cars...AIR BAGS...:hyper: http://aap.dyndns.org/angrypope/sa-macros/BUMP.gif

[WhatsHisFace]

Ving Rhames is really short. Here's a good Mogul...

http://images.comicbookresources.com/reel/punisher/punisher_pic2_sm.jpg

[The Overlord]

Mongul is an 18 feet tall slab of muscle. His build is quite Hulk like.

Well then he would have to be CGI, because no human being is built like that.

[The Question]

Well then he would have to be CGI, because no human being is built like that.

Or they could just use camera angles and the such to make him look bigger. CGI isn't the answer to everything.

[GreenKToo]

The green mile is a good example.They made MCD look way taller than he really is..Or they could just use camera angles and the such to make him look bigger. CGI isn't the answer to everything.