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[yenaled]

[url=http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Flash/NewFlash.htm]Interview with Didio over at Newsarama[url].

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Flash/FlashSketch01.jpg

So, DCU Executive Editor Dan Didio wasn’t joking with those Crisis Counseling teases about DC’s Crises not being safe for Flashes after all.

Just so we get this out of the way….spoilers ahead for Infinite Crisis #4.

With Infinite Crisis #4, Wally West, who’s been the Flash in the costume at DC for the past 19 years, exited stage left, doing…something with the Speed Force (absorbed by it, bounced off of it to some other place and time, who can say?). Kid Flash Bart Allen was also absorbed into it, and Jay Garrick, the Golden Age Flash, was left on Earth saying that the Speed Force was gone.

It was the payoff to Didio’s hints that Flash fans didn’t want to come true.

“That was the fun part,” Didio said referring to his teases. “We said a lot of things in jest, and some things were misdirection, and some were true, and the best thing was to mix them all up together so nobody was sure which was which.”

Didio said that, while his joking manner about the Flash’s fate in Infinite Crisis may have left some with the impression that his reverence toward the character was…less than what an Executive Editor’s should be, the Flash’s “death” in Infinite Crisis happened for a very clear reason.

“I’ve always felt that the Flash have marked significant turns and changes in DCU history – the start of the Silver Age is marked by Barry Allen’s first appearance,” DiDio said. “It was the Flashes who brought out the whole Earth-1/Earth-2 concepts for DC. Wally West’s assumption of the mantle as the Flash kicked off the DCU after the original Crisis, with a new approach was taken with the character that was new and fresh. In looking at the magnitude and scope of what we were doing here, I felt that it was important to identify that this was an important turn in DC’s history as well. I look at the changes in Flashes as something that signifies that.

“Likewise, something else that I felt very strongly about, especially following Geoff’s run on the book was the need to move the Flash to a new and exciting direction.”

And driving that final nail in the coffin lid, the latest issue of Flash, #230, which came out last week, was the final issue of the series.

It’s over, Flash fans.

Well, okay – as “over” as things get in comics, where a popular character’s series ending can only mean one thing – a new #1.

But – as those who listen to Didio’s words as closely as Wall Street listens(ed) to Alan Greenspan will remember one thing he said about new series – if DC is going to start a new series, then it has to be a clean break from the past, something different and fresh from what came before.

With Danny Bilson, Paul De Meo and Ken Lashley as the team of The Flash, Didio’s pretty sure he’s got the “different and fresh” angle covered.

Breaking down the team, Bilson and De Meo are the writers, and not wholly inexperienced when it comes to the Flash. Together, the two were part of the production and writing team of The Flash television series that ran for a season in 1990. As for how they made the jump from one medium to the other…

“It was serendipity,” Didio said. “I was in [VP – Business Development, Wildstorm] John Nee’s office and we were talking about a different matter, coordinating some DC and Wildstorm stuff. Meanwhile, we’d been at loggerheads over who would take over Flash and who would take him and push him in a new direction. John was explaining to me how he was working with Paul and Danny on a new creator-owned series from Wildstorm. He started talking about them, and it was a light bulb moment. Here we were struggling to see where we were going with the Flash, and here were two people already working with DC who’d had a chance to really examine the strengths, examine the powers, the depth and interests of the character himself, and also figure out how to make him work.

I thought they’d done a wonderful job on the television series, and after meeting with them in Los Angeles, we all came to the same goals rather quickly. We both have the same interests in the characters, and we’re all on the same page, and it made the decision very easy. Here were guys with a level of pedigree with the character, and had the same intentions and goals that we were setting for the character here at DC.”

Though very tight-lipped about the premise of the new series, let alone who will be under the mask, Didio said that they did approach the writers with a few broad stroke directions they were looking to include in the new series. “We had an attitude, and a personality, and we had some key ideas on what we needed to implement in the series,” Didio said. “They were completely on board with everything we had suggested, because when they were considering writing the series, these were the things that they wanted to do as well, so we’re all on the same page from the very start.”

And rounding out that creative team?

“Ken has a dynamic art style that we felt really convey the motion and the energy, and a new vitality for the series,” Didio said. “For…decades, really, the Flash has been defined not only be who wears the suit, but also by who’s drawing him, and who’s writing him. It was important for us to make sure we had all the right pieces in place. We were out there looking for someone who we thought would be able to capture this level of energy, and we were thrilled to find out he was available.”

The book’s former editor brought Lashley in to DC and began working with him, Didio explained, and when he saw the samples that Lashley and the editor had put together, the deal was done, as far as Didio was concerned.

“The weird part for me is that I wasn’t even familiar with Ken’s earlier work at Marvel and other places. He came in, to me, at least, as an unknown, and just sold me on his interpretation of the character.”

Okay – and finally, we did push Didio for some teases about the new series, as well as the hero’s identity, and got two bits for the new series – which Didio characteristically twisted. First off, expect legacy to play a major role.

“The series is built on the concept of ‘legacy.’ It is the recurring theme of Flash, it is the strength and the weakness of the character,” Didio said.

And number two? Perhaps we were premature in wondering who the person under the mask might be. That is, wrong in the sense that we wondered about a “person” in the singular.

“The costume will be very familiar,” Didio said with a chuckle, “Although you may not want to get too attached to the first Flash you see…”

Granted it isn't much detail but none of the hints even make me interested or well, I'm left feeling a sense of; aww crap.

[deemar325]

The Twins..Wally's newborns are gonna be the Flash(Flashes?) either way I'm intrigued but just for the first few issues, after that I'm done.

[Ceb-Man]

Danny Bilson and Paul DeMeo of the 90's Flash tv series writing... yeah. I loved that series. Art looks good.
What I like is even further in the article.... Paul Dini on Detective Comics!!!
That rocks!

[MaskedManJRK]

Danny Bilson and Paul DeMeo of the 90's Flash tv series writing... yeah. I loved that series. Art looks good.
What I like is even further in the article.... Paul Dini on Detective Comics!!!
That rocks!

Tell me where you saw that, I DEMAND IT.

[boywondernerdDC]

yeah i thought that the kids eyes lighting up like lightening hinted at future events too but i'm still rooting for wally to come back

[Johnny DC]

The Twins..Wally's newborns are gonna be the Flash(Flashes?) either way I'm intrigued but just for the first few issues, after that I'm done.
Interesting.

Not to be stereotypical, but the Flash in the concept art does look like he has thinner eyes. Maybe he is the son of Wally and Linda. It would bring more diversity to the main DC heroes.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Tell me where you saw that, I DEMAND IT.
on the same Newsarama page they say that Paul Dini and Rags Morales will be on Detective Comics and Busiek and Pacheco on Superman.

[Ceb-Man]

Tell me where you saw that, I DEMAND IT.

Your wish is answered....

www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Flash/NewFlash.htm

at the very bottom!

[Anubis]

....Interesting....I'll with hold judgement until I find out more.


But Dini and Rags on Detective!!! :up: :up: :up: :up:

[jaydawg]

One of ign's latest articles was about the new flash and I think their theory of the twins coming back as adults just might be right... Too bad... I was kinda hoping Jesse Quick would take up the mantle.

[Anubis]

Maybe when the Speed Force returns she'll get her powers back.

[ShadowBoxing]

The Twins..Wally's newborns are gonna be the Flash(Flashes?) either way I'm intrigued but just for the first few issues, after that I'm done.reaaaalllllyyyyy...interesting:eek:

[GoldenAgeHero]

k so what happened to bart?

[CConn]

The Twins..Wally's newborns are gonna be the Flash(Flashes?) either way I'm intrigued but just for the first few issues, after that I'm done.That's...quite stupid, IMO. :o
on the same Newsarama page they say that Paul Dini and Rags Morales will be on Detective Comics and Busiek and Pacheco on Superman.That's effing awesome. :up:

[Anubis]

k so what happened to bart?


Good question. Maybe he's dead. :) Or maybe he's Flash.

[kiuju2k]

Well wait the speed force will have to come back or it won't be wally and lindas twins. They need the speed force to be fast. I wonder what is going to happen to bart. I mean if thats bart then ya know he can exist w/out the speed force. I doubt it is him though we all saw his kids eyes light up.

[KingOfDreams]

I reeeeaaaalllly want to know who's in the costume.

[Anubis]

Hey, didn't this dude do the art for that Ultimate DC stuff in Wizard a couple of years back?

[Marvin]

love the art, love the gloves

that symbol should be on the left side of his chest

[stillanerd]

Let's say if it was Wally and Linda's twins who became the Flash. How would some of you feel if, say, they were like Ma's Y Menos from the Teen Titans cartoon (only without sounding like Speedy Gonzales) who only had super speed as long as they remained in physical contact?

[BrianWilly]

Okay it may just be a preliminary sketch or a trick of the light or pencilling scribbles or something, but am I the only one who sees two different versions of the Flash costume in that pic? The Flash on the very left's circular chest symbol is raised, whereas the others' aren't. And the Flash second from the left seems to be wearing some sort of goggles or something; the line from his eye-holes definitely stretch all the way across the ridge of his nose. I'm probably just going insane or something.

[kiuju2k]

or it could actually just be a bunch of concepts.... I remember that dc ultimate thing wizard did a few years back. I didn't like his flash but, i liked his GL and superman. Lets just hope there isn't a speed force so bart can continue the legacy.

[yenaled]

Brian; that's why it is developmental art. He's just trying to see what looks best.

I just hope Wally isn't going really. I don't want to get to know another Flash and he has plenty of stoires left in him.

[Elijya]

excuse me, but....


WTF is wrong with the Flash of the left's head? he looks like a chud baby

[kiuju2k]

I don't even know why they're bothering tinkering with the outfit in the first place. Just change the body type wait nevermind its a comic book they never stick to types.

Also Is it me or is Michael turners flash's arms as big as his legs? Totally looks unproportional who gave him a job? I've seen guys trying to come up do better and get criticised for that type of mistake.

http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/148/Flash_Tpb_M_Turner_Signed__01a_.jpg

Or any character he does for that matter

http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/148/3637_400x600.jpg

[deemar325]

That's...quite stupid, IMO. :o
That's effing awesome. :up:


Stupid huh? how about the whole time travel part of the Flash mythology, is Bart stupid? being the grandson of Barry Allen afterall, or Superboy being the clone of Clark/Lex? Jason Todd resurrection? Cable? Marvelgirl(Rachel Grey)? Bishop? Kang the Conquer? is that stupid? tell me.

Get tha F--K out of here! CC-nt! :mad:

[Assassin]

look at the face, look at the eyes..look at the way he smiles or his head position, no flash poses like that but bart. thats bart.

[deemar325]

look at the face, look at the eyes..look at the way he smiles or his head position, no flash poses like that but bart. thats bart.

You could be right, but that ass CConn leaves out the possibilty of time travel like a idiot when that is part an partial to the flash mythology.

[CConn]

Stupid huh? how about the whole time travel part of the Flash mythology, is Bart stupid? being the grandson of Barry Allen afterall, or Superboy being the clone of Clark/Lex? Jason Todd resurrection? Cable? Marvelgirl(Rachel Grey)? Bishop? Kang the Conquer? is that stupid? tell me.

Get tha F--K out of here! CC-nt! :mad:Oh, grow up. I don't think the idea's that great, it's not like I raped your favorite farm animal.

Yes, I know of Cable and Marvelgirl, and whatever; just because it was done before does not make it a good idea in this situation. If it happens, I'll accept it fine enough, but I'd never...endorse it as a particularly good idea.

I mean, yeah, Time Travel is no big thing in comics, and i don't have much of a problem with it, but to fill the shoes of one of the most legendary characters out there with two people we know as infants, when you have Bart waiting in line, plus several other possibilities equally or more sensible, yes that is not the best idea in the world. How idiotic of me to think such a thing.

[Ceb-Man]

I think that Bart Allen will be the Flash.

[GLfan]

Good question. Maybe he's dead. :) Or maybe he's Flash.
Isn't this going to screw up The Teen Titans?

[LivingInClip]

It's Bart, I almost gurantee it, which sucks, I prefer Wally.
:D

[joke]

DiDio said not to get attached to the first Flash you see.. So if this isn't another false hint, I think the twins will come back but only one will be Flash and be killed shortly to leave the stage open for the other twin to take over the mantle.

[Keyser Soze]

Here's a suggestion that's way out of left-field, but how about Hunter Zolomon?

On one hand, I dislike the idea. Zoom is a great villain. However, it may make sense. Remember, he doesn't see himself as a villain, but rather his one goal was to make Wally West a better hero. With Wally West gone - and the Speed Force with him - perhaps a repentant Zolomon takes his place?

Think about it - theoretically, it could work. The Speed Force may be "gone", but Zolomon's powers are not based around the Speed Force. Plus, linking in to the rumours of not getting attached to the new Flash, perhaps when the Speed Force inevitably returns, Zolomon feels the need to restore balance, and reassumes the mantle of Zoom, letting Wally West/Bart Allen/whoever take over as The Flash.

As I said, I'm not saying I want Hunter Zolomon to be The Flash, but I just figured it could be another name to throw in the hat.

[LivingInClip]

Or......It could be.......
Kal-el!!

Think about it. We all know that the trinity splits apart and we are led to believe the big 'S' dissappears for a year. What if, during this time Kal-El dons the outfit as Flash?? He doesn't need no stinkin' speed-force!

;)

[GyLocke]

Wasn't there some cryptic hinting about two new characters, like Mas y menos, - or what the hell is the name of the speedster twins from the Teen Titans cartoon - coming to the Teen Titans comic.

With some retooling, those could be the West twins joining the Titans with Bart taking over the mantle of the flash for a while.

[ShadowBoxing]

Its the twins..I mean there are two separate Flash designs there. However I wonder if it will be more that they are one flash who can split into two

[jaydawg]

Mas y Menos would be a bigger waste of space than anything Liefeld has ever done.

[CAPT. MARVEL]

Or......It could be.......
Kal-el!!

Think about it. We all know that the trinity splits apart and we are led to believe the big 'S' dissappears for a year. What if, during this time Kal-El dons the outfit as Flash?? He doesn't need no stinkin' speed-force!

;)

Nah, its Napoleon Dynamite!

Jimmy Fallon: NO WAY, NAPOLEON DYNAMITE!? You're the Flash!?
Napoleon: Who did you think was The Flash? Superman?
JF: No, why would it be Superman, that's stupid.
ND: You're stupid

Anyways, I'm not totally hot on the idea of rapidly aged twins replacing Wally, but like anything it all depends on how good of a story it is.

[ShadowBoxing]

Mas y Menos would be a bigger waste of space than anything Liefeld has ever done.probably right

[droogiedroogie2]

OK, it's gonna be dumb if the twins are Flashes OYL. It's One Year Later, not Indeterminate Amount of Time Later! Besides, he said "don't get too attached to the first Flash you see." That doesn't mean there will be two Flashes. It means that the first Flash you see is going to be Wally, in some type of flashback, or an opening kickoff to the series, and then after that it will be Bart, who quite honestly can go choke on a choad. Wally is the Flash. Or at least Barry. Screw Bart.

[Assassin]

i still dont get how you guys see 2 diffrent designs

[Lone Wolf]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Flash/FlashSketch01.jpg

Its got to be Bart.

Love the costume,and the addition of the gloves.Also the art looks great.

[joke]

It's not the same suit. They are all different. Most have flat symbols but the left figure has an embossed symbol plus all the ear-pieces are different.

[droogiedroogie2]

i still dont get how you guys see 2 diffrent designsThey don't, they're imagining things because for some strange reason they want the twins to be Flashes. Probably the same people who can't get over the "DOOD DOO Dick's gonna be Batman!!1!!11OMGROFLMFFAO" kick. You know, change is not something that HAS to happen.

The only varient among those Flash images is the headsidepiece thingies. There's actually five different designs for the headsidepiece thingies. Does that mean there will be five Flashes? Say it all together, class: "No, Mr. Droogiedroogie2, it doesn't. It just means that the artist is kicking around some ideas for how he's going to draw the Flash, and he hadn't decided on one when these images were sketched."

[Assassin]

The one on the left looks like bart, so does the one smiling. The one running, there's a pic of impulse running the exact same way

[GoldenAgeHero]

the gloves should be a bit longer.

[droogiedroogie2]

The one running and the one on the left do look like Bart, but the smiling one and the standing-stoicly-with-clenched-fists one both look like Wally. And the one looking off to his right just looks like this douchebag I knew in high school. God I hated that guy. Man, HE better not be the new Flash.

[kiuju2k]

Stupid huh? how about the whole time travel part of the Flash mythology, is Bart stupid(sometimes)? being the grandson of Barry Allen afterall(Not stupid), or Superboy being the clone of Clark/Lex(stupid)? Jason Todd resurrection(very stupid)? Cable(becoming stupid)? Rachel Grey (getting better)? Bishop(nobody cares)? Kang the Conquer?(Not stupid) is that stupid? tell me. I just did :)

Get tha F--K out of here! CC-nt! That wasn't very nice
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[deemar325]

Oh, grow up. I don't think the idea's that great, it's not like I raped your favorite farm animal.

Yes, I know of Cable and Marvelgirl, and whatever; just because it was done before does not make it a good idea in this situation. If it happens, I'll accept it fine enough, but I'd never...endorse it as a particularly good idea.

I mean, yeah, Time Travel is no big thing in comics, and i don't have much of a problem with it, but to fill the shoes of one of the most legendary characters out there with two people we know as infants, when you have Bart waiting in line, plus several other possibilities equally or more sensible, yes that is not the best idea in the world. How idiotic of me to think such a thing.


I'm over it. :up:

[kiuju2k]

So i'm alone in the whole michael turner thing huh? Nobody thinks his characters arms and legs are the same length? I'm alone on this? Look at his flash.

[Octoberist]

Dude, I like Michael Turner. Look at Rags Morles (Spelling) of Identiy Crisis. His characters were whacked out in some panels and yet, people don't give him crap.

[TheCorpulent1]

Where were Morales' characters "whacked out"? :confused: I can't stand Turner's art, myself. His men all look like grotesquely disproportioned pillow-people and his women all look identical. Come to think of it, Lashley kind of makes me think of what Turner might be like if Turner were actually good...

As for who the Flash is, I can't shake this feeling that it'll be Jay Garrick, somehow de-aged even further so that he's back in his prime. The gloves look kind of like throwbacks to the Golden Age to me, and the ear wings on the top left pic are identical to the wings on Jay's hat. I'm fairly sure Barry's wings only had two prongs or whatever you want to call them. Plus, Jay was supposed to be the Flash in the movie that Goyer was writing, and it seems like DC would want to match the characters up for that. Everything I just said is based on total speculation, however, so I could be wrong.

[kiuju2k]

I'm not alone. alright.

So the story goyer is writing will be based on jay? How weird will he have his original look? It would make sense i guess since barry(flashseries),bart(smallville) and wally(JLU) have been used. Your idea doesn't seem that far fetched at all. Even though i'm really not comfortable with jay being the new flash and all. We'll see.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't mind Jay being the "new" Flash, actually. It'd be fun to see people misjudge him as some rookie, when he's really been around for about half a century.

I don't know anything about the Goyer movie beyond some rumors that he was writing Jay as the main character. I haven't been following news on it. I don't think there's really been much development on the movie at all, come to think of it.

[Assassin]

I think wesly ship (allan) should pass the torch to his nephew wally in the movie.

[kiuju2k]

Yeah it would work out for a few books him rediscovering his new abilities and what not and getting reaquainted with friends. After that what is there to the character jay garrick then what has already happened already. Interesting idea. Now that i see your perspective it wouldn't bother me that much if he was flash for a few books.

[goldmill]

I wouldn't mind Jay being the "new" Flash, actually. It'd be fun to see people misjudge him as some rookie, when he's really been around for about half a century.

I don't know anything about the Goyer movie beyond some rumors that he was writing Jay as the main character. I haven't been following news on it. I don't think there's really been much development on the movie at all, come to think of it.

Actually, the last I heard was he wanted to have Barry and Wally in the movie. I know he wants Ryan Reynolds as the Flash. His personality would fit Wally easily. So, I'm assuming he would want Barry in a flashback or something. BUt I never heard him mention Jay.

[Lone Wolf]

Theres a new update about this Flash,with Danny Bilson and Paul De Meo who will be writing the series.

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=57277

“It won't be the old TV show,” De Meo said. “It will be a new Flash. Fasten your seatbelts...we intend to surprise.”

[Phoney Bone]

Yeah, I am seriously seriously upset about Wally and Bart being practically in limbo. The first DC "death" since I began reading comics to do that to me. Maybe because Flash was my first series I collected regulary. And it was Wally. I just immediatly liked him. I'm still holding out hope for him and Bart.

Now I sorta feel bad at making fun of all the "BRING BACK BARRY" fans. I can relate now.:(

I really don't like the twin idea. I'd rather it be Jay or Jesse if anyone.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Yeah, I am seriously seriously upset about Wally and Bart being practically in limbo. The first DC "death" since I began reading comics to do that to me. Maybe because Flash was my first series I collected regulary. And it was Wally. I just immediatly liked him. I'm still holding out hope for him and Bart.

Now I sorta feel bad at making fun of all the "BRING BACK BARRY" fans. I can relate now.:(

I really don't like the twin idea. I'd rather it be Jay or Jesse if anyone.


screw them, bring back bart and im happy.

[Keyser Soze]

I think this post must have got lost in the midst of that fight that broke out earlier in the thread. Interested to hear your thoughts on this idea.

Here's a suggestion that's way out of left-field, but how about Hunter Zolomon?

On one hand, I dislike the idea. Zoom is a great villain. However, it may make sense. Remember, he doesn't see himself as a villain, but rather his one goal was to make Wally West a better hero. With Wally West gone - and the Speed Force with him - perhaps a repentant Zolomon takes his place?

Think about it - theoretically, it could work. The Speed Force may be "gone", but Zolomon's powers are not based around the Speed Force. Plus, linking in to the rumours of not getting attached to the new Flash, perhaps when the Speed Force inevitably returns, Zolomon feels the need to restore balance, and reassumes the mantle of Zoom, letting Wally West/Bart Allen/whoever take over as The Flash.

As I said, I'm not saying I want Hunter Zolomon to be The Flash, but I just figured it could be another name to throw in the hat.

[TheCorpulent1]

Zolomon as the Flash could work if Zolomon somehow recovers from his temporally induced mental problems, and the JLA and the other speedsters both somehow accept him in the position. Both of those seem unlikely right now, given how he tore the speedsters apart, killed Wally's children, and worked with the Society, but a lot can change in a year, I suppose.

[Anubis]

thats not a very good idea.

[LivingInClip]

Not sure forgivin' someone for killing Wally's kid is possible in one years time.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Wally himself forgives Zoom. Not entirely unlikely given that he now has his kids and everything's hunky-dory. Although that has some major Knightfall overtones...

[Spike_x1]

[cries like an infant]I want my Wally back![/cries like an infant]

[imago]

Ryan Reynolds will be playing Wesley Gibson in WANTED. Guaranteed.

[Anubis]

Nah, it'll be Eminem

[Spike_x1]

Here's a suggestion that's way out of left-field, but how about Hunter Zolomon?

On one hand, I dislike the idea. Zoom is a great villain. However, it may make sense. Remember, he doesn't see himself as a villain, but rather his one goal was to make Wally West a better hero. With Wally West gone - and the Speed Force with him - perhaps a repentant Zolomon takes his place?

Think about it - theoretically, it could work. The Speed Force may be "gone", but Zolomon's powers are not based around the Speed Force. Plus, linking in to the rumours of not getting attached to the new Flash, perhaps when the Speed Force inevitably returns, Zolomon feels the need to restore balance, and reassumes the mantle of Zoom, letting Wally West/Bart Allen/whoever take over as The Flash.

As I said, I'm not saying I want Hunter Zolomon to be The Flash, but I just figured it could be another name to throw in the hat.That might not be such a bad idea. Afterall, Eobard Thawne ran around as the Flash at one point. Zolomon might think it to be a tradition :D

[Anubis]

As long as Wally comes back and kicks his @$$ like he did in the return of Barry Allen.

[Charlesx]

I want Wally and Bart back. Don't want no stinkin' substitute Flashes. But that's just me, I guess. Geez, we had to lose both of my favorite Flashes in the same crisis. What a bummer.

[Spike_x1]

As long as Wally comes back and kicks his @$$ like he did in the return of Barry Allen.Of course :cool:

[LanternFan]

That might not be such a bad idea. Afterall, Eobard Thawne ran around as the Flash at one point. Zolomon might think it to be a tradition :D

No, I think it IS a bad idea. Zolomon is much better as a villain. I think they should just keep him around as Zoom to harass whoever (or whomever) next wears the suit.

Zoom II is the best Flash villain ever. He's potentially faster than ANY speedster due to the nature of his particular speed power, and plus he's completely friggin nuts! Whoever (or whomever) the new Flash is/are they will need Hunter Zolomon at some point, to keep the story interesting if nothing else.

IMO of course.

[Polux]

Goyer will have both Barry and Wally in the movie (with Ryan Reynolds most probably being Wally)....and I want no other Flash than Wally :( !!!


Polux

[LanternFan]

I just wish there were some real news about the project.

I've been watching the old Flash TV series on DVD & I'm quite geeked for a Flash movie.

[LanternFan]

Aww, crap!

Double post.

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I think it IS a bad idea. Zolomon is much better as a villain. I think they should just keep him around as Zoom to harass whoever (or whomever) next wears the suit.

Zoom II is the best Flash villain ever. He's potentially faster than ANY speedster due to the nature of his particular speed power, and plus he's completely friggin nuts! Whoever (or whomever) the new Flash is/are they will need Hunter Zolomon at some point, to keep the story interesting if nothing else.
I don't see what the problem is with Zoom becoming Flash. He's never really been an outright evil character, so I could see his motivations shifting if his mental condition improved. Plus, as you noted, his power is different in nature, which could open up interesting story possibilities. So long as it's temporary I could live with it. My personal best case scenario would be Walter West returning and setting up a new life for himself and Angela on the main DC Earth now that Wally's off... "somewhere else."

Also, it's "whoever" on both uses. This has been your daily English geek reminder. :)

[XwolverineX]

If Wally has to be replaced, I would like Walter to return. He was cool!

[Hellstormer]

I'm a bit late to the party but.The Twins..Wally's newborns are gonna be the Flash(Flashes?) either way I'm intrigued but just for the first few issues, after that I'm done.They wouldn't happe to speak spanish would they?

[TheCorpulent1]

Hopefully Mas y Menos will never grace the pages of a canon comic book.

[Silicon Surfer]

Just to throw a wildcard into the discussion, they could conceivably bring back the pre crisis Barry Allen. In the crisis he did not truly die, he crashed through dimensional barriers into unknown areas of existence. They could have him circumnavigate totality and return unaffected by and unaware of events in the meantime, adding whole new storyline possibilities as he brings with him all the pre crisis knowledge.

[Hellstormer]

I recall a Flash a little bit ago that had a crimson and silver costume who was this guy?

[TheCorpulent1]

That was Walter West, another version of Wally from a different timeline and possibly the most powerful Flash who ever lived.
Just to throw a wildcard into the discussion, they could conceivably bring back the pre crisis Barry Allen. In the crisis he did not truly die, he crashed through dimensional barriers into unknown areas of existence. They could have him circumnavigate totality and return unaffected by and unaware of events in the meantime, adding whole new storyline possibilities as he brings with him all the pre crisis knowledge.
I really wouldn't want to see Barry come back. The Flash legacy has always been great with keeping its forward momentum up (which makes a nice pun, too). Jay gave way to Barry and people accepted him. Barry gave way to Wally and people accepted him. Unlike the GL legacy, which has been plagued with problems over Kyle (even though I love Kyle myself), the Flash legacy has always been fluid and receptive to change. Going back to Barry now would be a huge misstep, in my opinion.

[Silicon Surfer]

I'm not saying that they should or would but Barry's knowledge of what went before would tell about the changes that so many have gone through. People finding out about the changes in their history such as Power Girl would create a huge number of storylines as people contemplate the consquences of what has happened.

[TheCorpulent1]

I suspect something like that'll happen over the course of Infinite Crisis anyway.

[Silicon Surfer]

Yeah, I don't see how someone could obliterate a million universes and get it swept under the rug. Eventually it has to get out

[LanternFan]

Personally, I think it should be Barry & Iris West. (Not necessarily in their "Kingdom" personae) You'll notice that in IC#4 when Wally appears to Linda, the twins' eyes both light up with speed energy just before the whole family zaps away to wherever. I'm hoping that it'll be the West Twins who show up (aged to their late teens maybe) in ish #6 to save the DCUs bacon, or at least to play a pivotal role in it.

[LanternFan]

He's never really been an outright evil character, so I could see his motivations shifting if his mental condition improved.

But it's the moral ambiguity that makes him a great villain. Like real-world villains he believes he's doing the right thing, but he's going about it the wrong way.

And if it turns out to be the West Twins, then Zoom can try to "mentor" them :D

It'll be awesome.

[Spike_x1]

No, I think it IS a bad idea. Zolomon is much better as a villain. I think they should just keep him around as Zoom to harass whoever (or whomever) next wears the suit.

Zoom II is the best Flash villain ever. He's potentially faster than ANY speedster due to the nature of his particular speed power, and plus he's completely friggin nuts! Whoever (or whomever) the new Flash is/are they will need Hunter Zolomon at some point, to keep the story interesting if nothing else.Zoom isn't the end-all-be-all character that you're making him out to be. Yes, he kicks ass, but the way you're coming off, it's as if you don't think the Flash comics could survive without him.

[LanternFan]

Zoom isn't the end-all-be-all character that you're making him out to be. Yes, he kicks ass, but the way you're coming off, it's as if you don't think the Flash comics could survive without him.

Well, I never said that.

Zoom II is my favorite Flash villain, and I think he'd make a great opponent and "mentor" to a couple of rookie Flash Twins.

[XwolverineX]

So where is Walter West? He was very cool.

[Spike_x1]

Well, I never said that....Whoever (or whomever) the new Flash is/are they will need Hunter Zolomon at some point, to keep the story interesting if nothing else.They don't need Zoom at all. He's just a cool addition.

[Hellstormer]

Is Zoom, Professor Zoom, and the Reverse-Flash the same person?

[TheCorpulent1]

Professor Zoom and the Reverse Flash are the same person: Eobard Thawne. Zoom is Hunter Zolomon, an ex-profiler for the cops.
So where is Walter West? He was very cool.
Walter had to get the hell out of Dodge. His and Wally's co-existing in one dimension threatened to unravel Hypertime's integrity or something, so he ran off and broke the dimensional barrier. Presumably he's either made it back to his native dimension or he's still running through dimensions searching for it.

[Hellstormer]

Walter had to get the hell out of Dodge. His and Wally's co-existing in one dimension threatened to unravel Hypertime's integrity or something, so he ran off and broke the dimensional barrier. Presumably he's either made it back to his native dimension or he's still running through dimensions searching for it.Wouldn't it be a kick if he came back to our time and saved everyone from Alexander.

[TheCorpulent1]

It would be a badass kick. Walter's my favorite Flash.

[LanternFan]

I never read the issues with him in it, but I love the idea of ANY Flash saving the day at the end of IC.




Incidently, is there a TPB with his story in it? If not, then which issues?

[LanternFan]

...They don't need Zoom at all. He's just a cool addition.

Ok, fine. I went back & edited my post. Happy now? I thought it was obvious I was stating an opinion, but hey...whatever.



ZOOM RULES YOU ALL!!!

[GOODT!MES]

It'd be sweet if Bart came back at the end of IC as the new flash. His "Future is Now" costume ruled.

[TheCorpulent1]

I never read the issues with him in it, but I love the idea of ANY Flash saving the day at the end of IC.




Incidently, is there a TPB with his story in it? If not, then which issues?
No TPB unfortunately. His story took place mostly in the #150s of Flash's comic, but he had some appearances in JLA and Titans as well.

[GoldenAgeHero]

can you post a pic of the future is now costume?

[Hellstormer]

can you post a pic of the future is now costume?http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/images/bart-future-titans-temp.jpg

[supermarvelman]

Its just his style

[TheCorpulent1]

can you post a pic of the future is now costume?
Oh, "Future Is Now" is the title of the TPB with the "Titans Tomorrow" arc in it. This is what the costume looked like:
http://www.marvelfamily.com/images/comics/DCComics/TeenTitansV3/TeenTitansV3019.jpg

I don't really see anything too impressive about it, myself. It's just his Kid Flash costume (which I'm not all that fond of) with a skullcap instead of his open hair at the top.

[Anubis]

Walter West

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC/flash_2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/other%20stuff/FLASH_SECRET_FILES_2.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

I love that second pic. Great parallel to the first Secret Files cover:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/32585223014.1.GIF

I love Walter's costume in general. The colors work well together.

[Anubis]

I know, the Dark Crimson and Silver. Surprised more heros don't have that color scheme.

[Silicon Surfer]

Wallys' name wasn't Walter it was Wallace. Somebody screwed up.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wallys' name wasn't Walter it was Wallace. Somebody screwed up.
It's an alternate reality version of Wally. There are supposed to be minor differences. His eyes were blue instead of green like Wally's, too. It was Waid who created him so I'm sure he knew Wally's full name. He knows everything about Wally because he wrote like half of it.

[Hellstormer]

Walter's costume looks awesome and Anubis is right more heroes should have color sheme's like that. Gotta get me some'o those ish's

[TheCorpulent1]

If you're gonna go hunting down Flash back-issues, you should check for Flash #136-138 while you're at it. That's an arc called "The Human Race" by none other than Mark Millar and Grant Morrison. It's one of my favorites, and it introduces this Wally's childhood imaginary friend Krakkl:
http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/images/krakkl.gif

:D

[Hellstormer]

I can't see it :(

[TheCorpulent1]

It's from http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/krakkl.html. Try not to read anything if you're actually gonna get the issues, though. It's spoilerrific.

[Hellstormer]

He reminds me of Killowatt I'm gonna go try and hunt these issues down.

[Orko Is King]

Does anyone know when this new ongoing is supposed to come out?:confused:

[newmexneon]

Mid summer.

[Phatman]

Really digging the dark flash pics. I kinda wish they'd bring back the closed "no pupil" eyepieces on whatever costume they put him in after OYL. I always loved that look on flash, as well as the darker red. Kind of made Flash stand out.

[Hellstormer]

I think they should use the current flash costuem but with dark flash's colors (Red=Crimson, Yellow=Silver)

[LanternFan]

Yeah, I never really liked the yello much. It was much cooler in the TV series where it actually looked like gold. But silver is always cooler.

[TheCorpulent1]

I could never stand the TV series costume. What business does a runner have looking like he benchpresses half a ton? It was one of those cases where what works in the comics doesn't work on the screen for me.

[surfingbaku]

I remember in the Teen Titans/ Legion special a while back, Meloni Thawne talked to Bart for a bit, and as he ran off, she said, "I won't forget you. No one could forget the Flash."
It would be a shame if Bart never got to hold the title, considering that's been building up for years now.

[bond 007]

As a life long flash fan I'm sorry to see wally go, guess I'll have to get I.C 4 to see how he bows out. I think bart should realy take over, after the way the character has grown it would be a waste not to use him. just not sure about the twins though.

[GoldenAgeHero]

the twins would suck balls. i wan bart!!!!

[slipalong]

I always preferred Impulse's costume to Kid Flash's...

But the dark flash's colours look much better... Anyone fancy photoshopping a current costume up in those colours??

[Kal-El 8]

I can't believe Wally's gone, He was by far The Best Flash ever . How could DC comics kill him off ?

[Anubis]

He's not dead.

[boywondernerdDC]

uhhh they didnt for sure but maybe who knows

[Anubis]

No, Johns said he is not dead.

[Kal-El 8]

No, they Johns said, he is not dead.


HE not, :eek: You mean Wally, Linda, Barry and Iris West (twin Children) could return right ?

[Anubis]

Yeah, but Wally wont be Flash OYL. But as long as he's alive, theres always a chance.

[Kal-El 8]

Here is The preview art for Flash OYL.

http://journal.henkei.com/scans_daily/FlashSketch01.jpg

[Kal-El 8]

Yeah, but Wally wont be Flash OYL. But as long as he's alive, theres always a chance.

Then Who's going to be The next Flash ? I know Bart was suppose to become The Next Flash, But he disappeared too with Wally,his family & the other speedster .

[The Flash!]

Here is The preview art for Flash OYL.

http://journal.henkei.com/scans_daily/FlashSketch01.jpg

LOOKS TO KICKASS! :eek:

Can't wait fot the new series to begin.

[The Flash!]

New interview with Joan Hilty, alot about Flash OYL.

*Possible spoilers*



NRAMA: Let’s start talking about your titles with the one we still have to wait a few months for…

So much of the future of The Flash seems shrouded in secrecy in regards to who will be picking up the Flash mantle in the DCU Universe - will Barry or Wally return? Will Bart return and "graduate", giving it some symmetry with the original Crisis? Will Wally's twins "return" grown-up and assume the mantle?

JH: See, that’s what I love about this book. Nobody says, “Aw hell, everything’s been done, I got nothing, let’s pack it up.” The Flash history is so rich, and it’s stayed in such good hands, that there are infinite possibilities as to where it goes next.

NRAMA: So what can you tell readers today about the new summer-debuting Flash series and its star.. or stars?

JH: There’s just one star. Just one. This run is going to reveal more about him than you ever knew before, and he’s probably carrying the heaviest weight of any Flash ever.

NRAMA: Both Dan Didio and the new writing team have previously told us that the Flash legacy will still be an important element of this series and the Flash mythos. Anything you can add to that a little closer to publication?

JH: The legacy is what makes this book. There’s only one Batman, there’s only one Superman. Any time you try to put someone else in their boots, it’s temporary. And yet the mantle of the Flash isn’t just something that moves from host to host like the Spectre. Everyone who takes it on redefines it.

NRAMA: Dan also said something to the effect of "Don't become too attached to the first Flash you see"... any idea what he meant and thoughts you can share with us?

JH: You’re going to see a hero giving 150% to carry the Flash mantle against pretty bad odds. After that, Danny Bilson and Paul deMeo are going to turn the story completely on its head.

NRAMA: Any thoughts on the future - or lack thereof - of the Speed Force in the DCU? The Speed Force added a layer to the Flash "legacy" that wasn't just ‘accidents that made someone run really quick’… it added texture and elements of destiny to the family of people tuned into it. Is it a concept that has (and pardon the pun) run its course?

JH: Definitely not. The Speed Force as you knew it is gone, and now it’s going to be more important than ever.

Make of that what you will.

NRAMA: More generally speaking, whereas the origins of Batman and Superman essentially define the character and thereby their titles, does "moving really fast" define who and what a Flash is in the DCU? Or is there more to what makes Flash unique other than his or her metahuman ability?

JH: What I’ve always loved about the Flash is that he’s a regular guy who takes himself to the next level. He doesn’t have an alien heritage or trust fund — he can only work with what he’s got. There’s an element of chance to being the Flash — it’s all about where you’re standing when the lightning strikes — but after that, you have to step up to it.

To me The Flash also has to be the most visually breathless book we publish. It’s got to come right off the page at you, which is why it’s great we’ve got Ken Lashley on art

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/editors/Hilty/interview.html

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but Wally wont be Flash OYL. But as long as he's alive, theres always a chance.
Wally could still be the Flash post-OYL. Maybe he's the one we're not supposed to get attached to. He could pop back in, do his best to balance his family life and his superhero life, fail miserably, and decide his family's too important.

[Kal-El 8]

The upcoming Issue #1 covers for the relaunch of Flash : One Year Later
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/294/flscv18og.jpg

It Looks like Wally . :up: :up:

[Compi716]

^Man, that's cool!

[Kal-El 8]

Yeah it's a really cool badass cover .

[Hellstormer]

Another series to add to me pull:rolleyes:

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think it necessarily looks like Wally. That could be a picture of anyone. It's a cool cover, though. Kind of loud, but still pretty good.

[batnkevlar]

It's not a black guy, as previously mentioned... i think the suit has a mouth cover too, like a full piece mask...

[yenaled]

You know unless it is Wally, I really don't care about this book.

Just nothing that has come out about this series has got me at all interested or excited yet.

[Hellstormer]

It's not a black guy, as previously mentioned... i think the suit has a mouth cover too, like a full piece mask...
No I see lips and teeth and he might still be black you can't really tell with all those colors.

[Tamanon]

Hrm...the face actually looks like Zoom.....odd

[batnkevlar]

No I see lips and teeth and he might still be black you can't really tell with all those colors.

What I'm saying is, if his costume is liquid speed or whatever, then it forms around him, turning his skin red...

[TheCorpulent1]

The Speed Force is allegedly staying gone, according to Joan Hilty, and Wally's speed costume was made of Speed Force energy. Of course, she also said the Speed Force would be more important than ever, as well...

[Emerald Knight]

Here is The preview art for Flash OYL.

http://journal.henkei.com/scans_daily/FlashSketch01.jpg


the text makes me think of a blend of Waid's run and Johns's run

[The Flash!]

The upcoming Issue #1 covers for the relaunch of Flash : One Year Later
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/294/flscv18og.jpg

It Looks like Wally . :up: :up:

:eek: :eek: :up:

Thats a kickass cover right there, I'm so hoping it's Wally. :(

Can't wait for this!

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm hoping it's not Wally, myself. Remember, the first Flash we see will not be the Flash for long, according to the editor of the comic.

[The Flash!]

I'm hoping it's not Wally, myself. Remember, the first Flash we see will not be the Flash for long, according to the editor of the comic.

I read it in the thread for the NYCC. :(

If it's not Wally then who could it be? Bart? Someone new?

As said here.

"Only one," Hilty said when asked how many Flashes there will be “One Year Later”. "There is just one, ultimately," she added. "I get the idea that people are going to be taking turns being the Flash, that's not the case."

Didio reminded Hilty that the first Flash you see won't be the same Flash at the end of the new Flash #1.


The full title of the new Flash series is The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive.

[The Flash!]

Is the series coming out this summer btw?

[BrianWilly]

Based on the fact that Bart's Flash costume in the future was primarily orange and not red, I don't think that it will be Bart.

[GoldenAgeHero]

this is just a sketch.


http://kenlashley.comicbloc.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/rough%20sketch-%20for%20blog%20v11.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Is the series coming out this summer btw?
That's what they say. They haven't given it an official date or month or anything yet, though.

[Fantastic Fan22]

The Speed Force is allegedly staying gone, according to Joan Hilty, and Wally's speed costume was made of Speed Force energy. Of course, she also said the Speed Force would be more important than ever, as well...

She said the speed force AS WE KNOW IT will be gone

[slipalong]

Oooooh!

[GoldenAgeHero]

She said the speed force AS WE KNOW IT will be gone


no she said an interveiw at newsarama that the speed force will be as imporant as ever.

[Fantastic Fan22]

no she said an interveiw at newsarama that the speed force will be as imporant as ever.

she said that too but she also said that the speed force as we know it will be gone, it was in the same interview.

[slipalong]

who knows then? But from the JSA preview Jay still has his speed so...

[TheCorpulent1]

I just hope the speedsters are still capable of all the badass crap they can do now. However they explain it, stealing and lending speed, bumping up their metabolisms to heal wounds faster, and skirting along the light-speed barrier to punch with infinite mass are ****ing awesome.

[The Flash!]

this is just a sketch.


http://kenlashley.comicbloc.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/rough%20sketch-%20for%20blog%20v11.jpg

Where did you get this? :eek: :confused:

That's what they say. They haven't given it an official date or month or anything yet, though.

I heard it was in the summer, so who knows. Maybe we'll see in the new solicts next month, or a new update.

[CConn]

I thought I saw June somewhere, but that may have just been for Wonder Woman. :confused: It can't be too far off.this is just a sketch.


http://kenlashley.comicbloc.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/rough%20sketch-%20for%20blog%20v11.jpgIt's a shame. So far I'm loving these pencils, then hating the inking/colorations. :(

[Xan-El]

The Twins..Wally's newborns are gonna be the Flash(Flashes?) either way I'm intrigued but just for the first few issues, after that I'm done.

That sounds like a smart conclusion...I would bet money on it. I thought Kid Flash would take over the reigns for Wally but It doesn't seem possible...

[Orko Is King]

The upcoming Issue #1 covers for the relaunch of Flash : One Year Later
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/294/flscv18og.jpg

It Looks like Wally . :up: :up:

I'm soooo buying this! Did they get rid of his yellow boots (like the live action show)?

[TheCorpulent1]

We haven't seen any clear pics of anything below the knee yet, so it's possible.

[slipalong]

That pic of the front cover isn't showing up for me... is it hosted on a website anywhere?

[TheCorpulent1]

http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/DC/DCU/report.htm, near the bottom.

[slipalong]

many thanks corp!

Dunno how I missed that one!

[TheCorpulent1]

No problemo.

[Lone Wolf]

That current pic doesn't look like he's wearing yellow boots. There probably red like his arms are, with the yellow lighting rods embraced around them. Or just plain red....

[TheCorpulent1]

His entire leg from the knee down is shrouded in shadows. :confused:

[Lone Wolf]

His entire leg from the knee down is shrouded in shadows. :confused:

Not his left one. You can clearly see the red embedded all over it, straight down to his foot.

Even it isn't, I don't think yellow boots would fit well with that costume....

[TheCorpulent1]

Shadows aren't always colored black in comics. The left foot is a silhouette; maroon-looking, yes, but a silhouette nonetheless, just like his face is supposed to be partially silhouetted, which is why it's colored that dark, maroon color too. All you can see that's clearly colored red on it is a little piece of his calf, which his boots might not come up to anyway.

I don't see how yellow boots wouldn't fit with that costume, either. It's the same damn costume as the current one except for the gloves. :confused:

[Lone Wolf]

Shadows aren't always colored black in comics. The left foot is a silhouette; maroon-looking, yes, but a silhouette nonetheless, just like his face is supposed to be partially silhouetted, which is why it's colored that dark, maroon color too. All you can see that's clearly colored red on it is a little piece of his calf, which his boots might not come up to anyway.

I don't see how yellow boots wouldn't fit with that costume, either. It's the same damn costume as the current one except for the gloves. :confused:

Only because this costume looks entirly different from the costume we saw in the first preview about it. Which is why some say he might be black other then white. There was a discussion pages back on whether or not his mask was a full piece mask or not, that this costume covered his entire body including his face. Remember, its said that the first Flash we see in this seires won't be the same one by the end of the first issue. So maybe he gets a new costume, and this is it? I understand what you mean about the silhouette and I could be wrong, I just think there won't be any yellow boots on this one.

Take a look at the sketch GAH posted. It might not be the exact interior Flash may have, but possibly something close to that. On that sketch, he's not wearing any boots, instead his whole leg is covered all the way down...

[slipalong]

http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/DC/DCU/FLSCv1.jpg

I didn't notice any difference in the gloves???

[Doomed_hero]

I think it would be cool if it was a Flash like the one from Kingdom Come who is a merger of all the Flash personas. But I am really hoping for Wally and Bart's returns.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd hate a merged Flash. A very big part of the Flash's appeal to me is Wally's personality.
I didn't notice any difference in the gloves???
They just have a yellow strip instead of the lightning design.

[slipalong]

I really liked the lightning design... :(

I hope they go back to white lenses like Wally originally adopted (Up until the return of Barry Allen storyline). They really seemed to go well with the suit.

[Kal-El 8]

I'd hate a merged Flash. A very big part of the Flash's appeal to me is Wally's personality.



That's Why Wally is My favorite THE FLASH out all the other's even bart .

[Hellstormer]

I really liked the lightning design... :(

I hope they go back to white lenses like Wally originally adopted (Up until the return of Barry Allen storyline). They really seemed to go well with the suit.So that's why they started actually drawing the eyes. Hmmm could this Flash possibly be Walter (Dark Flash) returning from the whereever he was?

[TheCorpulent1]

If it is, I'd wet my pants with glee. :up:

[CloakandDagger]

That's Why Wally is My favorite THE FLASH out all the other's even bart .

:( Bart is cool too you know.He remembers every thing that he reads.Can Wally do that? NO!!

[Kal-El 8]

:( Bart is cool too you know.He remembers every thing that he reads.Can Wally do that? NO!!

Bart's cool, but he's no Wally.

http://www.readyfyght.com/andrespad/Random/comicbooks/ic_superboyprime_01.jpg
{Is that Wally ?}
http://www.readyfyght.com/andrespad/Random/comicbooks/ic_superboyprime_02.jpg
^^^ HOLY **** :eek:

[TheCorpulent1]

That's Barry. You can tell by the belt and the little wing thingies on his boots. Wally's got a belt with lightning bolts that meet at a point in front and his boots have no wing thingies.

[Tamanon]

Man, Barry is apparently turning into Continuity's Messenger boy these days. He only ever shows up to warn people of something. Oh man I can't wait to see the throwdown next issue.:)

Maybe that explains who the first flash in the new series will be and then another one will "escape" from wherever Barry came from to replace him....

[Kal-El 8]

That's Barry. You can tell by the belt and the little wing thingies on his boots. Wally's got a belt with lightning bolts that meet at a point in front and his boots have no wing thingies.

thanks for letting me know,

DAMN, I WANT WALLY BACK !!!!

[Compi716]

:eek:
It is Barry Allen!

[TheCorpulent1]

Man, Barry is apparently turning into Continuity's Messenger boy these days. He only ever shows up to warn people of something. Oh man I can't wait to see the throwdown next issue.:)
Barry Allen: The New Pariah! All he needs to do now is dye his hair purple and break down like a little girl every time he shows up. :D

[yenaled]

It's odd, he seems to change from Barry to Wally then Barry again. Looking at his belt anyway.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I chalked that up to artist error, but it could be deliberate. Maybe "Barry" is really a merger of all the speedsters with Barry's personality up front at the moment. That would set up an interesting take on Joan Hilty's comment that the first Flash of the OYL series won't be staying: he might not be staying because Barry's personality will get sucked back in and the merged Flash will become more like the Kingdom Come version.

Or I could be way off the mark and it'll just be Wally. Personally, I'm hoping Wally's the Flash who sticks around OYL.

[yenaled]

You know... it could be Bart in Barrys costume.

It would require him to be grown up and everything but if he took over the Flash mantle it would make sense for him to take his Grandfathers costume.

But, I'm still hoping for Barry. Only because I know for a fact Barry will never be permanment and I don't want him to be fully back but I love him being around even if it is for a little bit.

[TheCorpulent1]

I really don't want Bart to be the Flash.

[Hellstormer]

First the wings on the boots are there then they aren't then the belt thing is one way then another I think the artist is freaking with us.

[TheCorpulent1]

The boot wings are there on every Flash in the progression.

[yenaled]

I really don't want Bart to be the Flash.

Me neither really. The reason I read Flash is to read Wally West. I probably wouldn't pick it up if it wasn't him.

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd kind of suck for Teen Titans, too. Bart's been great as Kid Flash in that.

[kiuju2k]

Now that all this drama has surrounded the speed force I kind of want it to be somebody else. Bringing back Wally, and bart would be... anti-climatic. Or would it?

[GoldenAgeHero]

some concept art



http://kenlashley.comicbloc.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/flash%20sketch%20for%20article(RESIZED).jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Nice. Is Jesse Quick coming back? I hope so...

[yenaled]

My God if that is Johnny Quick I'll have a little bit of a wank.

Though I suppose it just happens to look like his costume, kind of looks like Barts I suppose too.

[Hellstormer]

some concept art



http://kenlashley.comicbloc.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/flash%20sketch%20for%20article(RESIZED).jpg
Wow some of those look cool I like the ninja type one on the left, I hope Bart isn't Flash because I like him with the Teen Titans and I wanna see something happen iwth Ravager, but then that could lead to Titans Tomorrow and he would become Flash.

[Doc Destruction]

My God if that is Johnny Quick I'll have a little bit of a wank.

Though I suppose it just happens to look like his costume, kind of looks like Barts I suppose too.

I'm with you. I'll do a little dance if that's Johnny.

[Hellstormer]

SO how many Flashes are we gonna have or will it be like team F.L.A.S.H.?

[TheCorpulent1]

Joan Hilty said there'd be one Flash after OYL, although that makes it seem like it'll be Jay Garrick.

[Tamanon]

Joan Hilty said there'd be one Flash after OYL, although that makes it seem like it'll be Jay Garrick.

Urgh....I don't like the sound of that. I like Jay and all, but Flash needs to be someone younger, who's actually able to develop a life and family. That's part of what makes the Flash comics great, watching each Flash grow:)

[Hellstormer]

Urgh....I don't like the sound of that. I like Jay and all, but Flash needs to be someone younger, who's actually able to develop a life and family. That's part of what makes the Flash comics great, watching each Flash grow:)
Is it just me or is The Flash the only DC character who actualy grows I mean Batman and Supes kinda grow but they always seem the same age and it's always been them under the mask. Aquaman has grown a lot too since his seahorse riding days

[Orko Is King]

some concept art



http://kenlashley.comicbloc.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/flash%20sketch%20for%20article(RESIZED).jpg

Is that Stan Lee's Flash to the left?

[Lone Wolf]

Is that Stan Lee's Flash to the left?

No. Lee's version of Flash was named Mary Maxwell, and looked like this.

http://www.comicfanpage.de/rezensionsarchiv/dcd/justimagine_flash_gr.jpg

[Hellstormer]

I loved the Just Imagine Books I wish he would've donw Blue Devil or Animal Man or maybe Firestorm, Hawkman would've been cool.

[Lone Wolf]

I loved the Just Imagine Books I wish he would've donw Blue Devil or Animal Man or maybe Firestorm, Hawkman would've been cool.

The only one I'm missing is his Aquaman. Other that that, I think Hawkman would have been great to see also, especially how he would design his own verison of the character.

Anyway, back on topic. If that is in fact Jessie Quick on the far right, I'd be looking forward to as to why she's returned.

[Anubis]

Well if the speed force is somehow back and different than it was, she could have simply regained her connection. I dont think it should be all that complicated. She lost her powers, and now she has them back.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't mind if she just regained her speed. It's been implied that the Speed Force chooses its wielders, and it chose her once before. I always liked Jesse. She could even join the JSA and help Jay out in his old age. :)

[GoldenAgeHero]

is bart connected to the speed force? is he less faster then the flash?

[TheCorpulent1]

All speedsters except Zoom are connected to the Speed Force whether they know it or not. I don't think Bart's any slower than Wally, just less experienced and kind of a screw-up right now. He'll probably grow out of that and be just as good as Wally was or better, though.

[GoldenAgeHero]

yeah bart has laot of potential and i would love for him to be the next flash when he's ready. i just hope to gawd he comes back.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think he will. Johns was doing good work with him in Teen Titans, so I doubt he'd want to give him up. Plus, Robin, Superboy, Kid Flash, and Wonder Girl are the core of the Titans, just like they were for Young Justice.

[Hellstormer]

Bart will become the next Flash because in the Titans/Legion special Bart said "Take care of yourself, Mom! And don't forget me." and he zoomed away and she said " No one will ever forget...the Flash!"

[Kal-El 8]

I don't think Bart's any slower than Wally, just less experienced and kind of a screw-up right now. He'll probably grow out of that and be just as good as Wally was or better, though.

Bart isn't slow, But he's isn't as fast as Wally, Wally is The Fastest Flash alive, Bart has grown up a lot over the past few years, And yes one day he will have matured enough to wear The mantel of The Flash. But I can't see that taking place now. onr can I see him surpassing Wally .

[TheCorpulent1]

I've never gotten the sense that Bart's slower than Wally, just that he's not as experienced and competant with his speed.
Bart will become the next Flash because in the Titans/Legion special Bart said "Take care of yourself, Mom! And don't forget me." and he zoomed away and she said " No one will ever forget...the Flash!"
Well, it's pretty obvious that Bart will eventually become the Flash. We've seen it happen in like 3 or 4 possible futures now. The question is when. I don't think it'll be after Infinite Crisis.

[Kal-El 8]

I've never gotten the sense that Bart's slower than Wally, just that he's not as experienced and competant with his speed.

Well, it's pretty obvious that Bart will eventually become the Flash. We've seen it happen in like 3 or 4 possible futures now. The question is when. I don't think it'll be after Infinite Crisis.


Wally moves like lighting compared to the other Flash's, remember he was the only flash that return from the speed force & and with that gain more speed .

Indeed, Bart will eventually become the flash. But it's not his time yet.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wally's not that much faster than the other speedsters. Jay can still push light speed himself, and part of Bart's introduction featured Wally having a hard time chasing him down. My understanding of the main speedsters, from fastest to slowest, has always been:

Wally/Walter/Barry
Bart
Jay
Max Mercury
Jesse Quick
Johnny Quick

And the difference between the top few is pretty small. The other Flashes and Max Mercury can make it to the Speed Force on their own, and all that Wally gained from returning from the Speed Force was a direct link to it, meaning that his kinetic energy can't be completely drained by guys like Savitar and the Turtle.

[Sentry2005]

i'm for some reason really hoping its bart that's the new flash.

guy who runs my comic shop gets some inside stuff from Ian Churchill (who also uses my comic shop), and he reckons it's bart. or Barry. i forget which one he said. meh, i want bart :D

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm hoping it's not Bart and praying it's not Barry. And I can't stand Ian Churchill's art.

[Sentry2005]

yeah, i'm not a big fan of the style he uses in supergirl. his secondary style, more akin to powers, is ok. personally, i think he's a bit overated. my friend wants to butt **** him because he loves supergirl so much.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's one of the few artists whose work I actually won't buy, no matter what it's on, unless it's a really, really extreme case, like he's drawing one of my absolute favorite characters and the writer he's paired with is outstanding. For example: I love Greg Rucka but I didn't even consider buying his Supergirl run until I heard that Ed Benes may be replacing Churchill as the artist.

[Sentry2005]

that sounds like me and JR jr... altho i ended up buying the sentry mini, just because i'm really interested in the character.... hate the art tho

[TheCorpulent1]

I love John Romita Jr.'s art, myself.

[Sentry2005]

yeah, a lot of people do. personally i can't stand it. the art i like at the moment is Turner and Ale Garza. Although my all time favourate has to be perez

[TheCorpulent1]

Turner makes bile spew out of my eyes. Although I have to admit, he's getting a little better lately. His figures on his Civil War promos actually look more like people instead of monstrously oversized torsos attached to pencils at the waist. He's still not what I'd consider good, but I can see him getting to that point now, as opposed to before when I'd written him off completely.

Garza's got a fun, cartoony, energetic style, but his proportions sometimes go wonky. I can't stand the way he draws faces and heads, either. There was a Batgirl cover where Batman's head was almost spherical, and I'm really not exaggerating much. I'll see if I can find it.

Here we go:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/07175277310.64.GIF

It's just sad. It looks like he tried to ape Jim Lee a little but failed miserably because he doesn't understand proportions in perspective as well as Lee.

[Sentry2005]

Turner is growing on me more and more, espeacially after that civil war promo. and Garza gets props for the way he drew superboy (my favourate character) in Titans/Young Justice; Graduation Day

and that batgirl cover is aweful. *shudder*

[batnkevlar]

What Civil War promo? Oh, the Marvel one?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the promo for Marvel's event called Civil War.

[Manwithoutpeer]

When do all the OYL comics start coming out?

[TheCorpulent1]

They started coming out last Wednesday.

[Hellstormer]

Sale is my favorite artist with a tie between Lee and Turner as a close second and Alex Ross is in a whole nother category

[Phatman]

Looking at that concept art it looks like they're going back to closed eyepeices on the Flash costume. That's great because it was Wally's definitive look.I just wish DC direct or Mattel would make this figure. Then My JLA would be complete.

Johnny Quick's goggles remind me of Yellowjacket. It's a good look for him if that's JQ.

[Tamanon]

Hrm....I was just reading the Titans Tomorrow TPB......

When Bart goes to meet his mom and tell her he misses her(awwww etc). He says "Take care of yourself, mom! And don't forget me." to which she responds after he leaves "No one will ever forget...the Flash"

Hrm...............it could also be talking about way down the line, but maybe OYL;)

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Bart was the Flash in "Titans Tomorrow." :confused:

[Orko Is King]

http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/DC/DCU/FLSCv1.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/June06/DCU/FlashFastestManAliveCv1.jpg

High-res, baby!:up:

Judging by the "new" pic, it seems as if Flash lost the yellow boots and the lightning bolt around the gloves doesn't go all the way around his forearms. I can't wait to see some preview pages of this!

[TheCorpulent1]

The muted colors look much, much better. The first color scheme was way too bright. I still think his boot status is undetermined as yet, since that left foot is obviously an unrendered silhouette from about halfway down the calf.

[Compi716]

I'm very curious about where this series is headed. Though I must admit, it does look rather cool.

[Orko Is King]

http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/DC/DCU/FLSCv1.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/June06/DCU/FlashFastestManAliveCv1.jpg

High-res, baby!:up:

Judging by the "new" pic, it seems as if Flash lost the yellow boots and the lightning bolt around the gloves doesn't go all the way around his forearms. I can't wait to see some preview pages of this!

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5438_400x600.jpg

OK, I'm confused now. I just got this pic from DC's site. I wonder what the colors will look like when it's finally printed...

[TheCorpulent1]

Hopefully more muted like the second one.

[Kal-El 8]

THE FLASH: FASTEST MAN ALIVE #1
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0603/13/flash1.jpg

Written by Paul DeMeo and Danny Bilson, art and cover by Ken Lashley, variant cover by Andy Kubert and Joe Kubert.

The Flash is back. And in this landmark issue written by Paul DeMeo & Danny Bilson -- creators of the groundbreaking TV series The Flash � and illustrated by Ken Lashley, one of the biggest questions of 2006 is answered: Who will wear the ring?

Infinite Crisis aimed a mortal blow at the legacy of the Fastest Man Alive -- but what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger! Be here for a historic chapter in the legacy of The Flash!

32 pages, $2.99, in stores on June 21.

[Hellstormer]

"Who will wear the ring"? that makes it sound like Green Lantern

[droogiedroogie2]

Funniest thing, I didn't even see that Flash ring at first. And, you know, it's right there in the middle of the picture. You'd think it would be obvious. But I just completely missed the damn thing. Huh.

[TheCorpulent1]

The coloring probably made your eyes explode. It's all right, it happens.

[yenaled]

That is officially the first time the Flash tv series has been described as "groundbreaking".

[TheCorpulent1]

The way the suit was designed, it looked like John Wesley Ship could've broken some asphalt with his gloved hands, if he wanted. :eek: