Am I the only one who liked DAD? [Archive] - The Superhero Hype! Boards

Furious Styles

04-28-2007, 09:30 PM

I absolutely LOVED the first 20 minutes of Die Another Day. The PTS was exciting, elaborate and breathtaking. I'm almost positive (as are many others) that someone else directed that entire sequence.

Great action sequence, exotic locale, tense dialogue, semi-interesting villains (Moon and Zao) and Bond gets captured at the end. No gadget to save him, no one-liner to spare him; just pain and torture.

Of course, it all goes to hell in a handbasket pretty quickly, but oh well, what is one to do?

Kevin Roegele

04-29-2007, 09:54 AM

Don't get me wrong, Casino Royale was way better then Die Another Day, but I actually really like DAD as well. I know it went a bit over the top with the invisible car, but I felt the movie was still really cool. Am I the only one who felt this way? Or are there other DAD fans out there.

You know how you felt after leaving the cinema in 1997 having watched Batman & Robin? That's how I felt about Die Another Day.

Since Casino Royale has taken the 007 back to where it should be, I don't hate DAD as much as I did - it's amusing enough as an overblown, cartoon-ish runaround. But it remains, by far, the very worst James Bond film.

The puns in the final scene of Bond and Jinx in bed must have been written by an eight year old. "Shall I take it out now?" "No, leave it in a bit longer." Seriously?! You think that's good enough for a professional motion picture?!

http://www.pixelsurgeon.com/admin/shared/images/die_another_day_big.jpg1056285411

Madonna's cameo - awful. Terrible dialogue, terrible performance. If you got someone off the street outside the studio, they could come up with better lines ("I don't like cock fights.") and perform the very simple role of a fencing instructor who simply introduces two people better.

http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/aplus/007/600/bond1-l.jpg

I liked Miranda Frost a lot more than Jinx. Although the script was awful, Rosamund Pike managed to be somewhat restrained in the overt sexiness department - whereas Halle was almost like Uma Thurman's Poison Ivy in that she virtually looked at the camera and said, "Hello boys."

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2002_Die_Another_Day/2002_die_another_day_010.jpg

All in all, a shame that Brosnan's last outing was so weak....but credit to the man he was still a great 007 to the end.

http://www.independentcritics.com/images/die%20another%20day%20SPLASH.jpg

The Chairman

04-29-2007, 03:31 PM

I'll admit it. I saw DAD with a couple of friends for my 12th birthday, and we had a blast. I was still at an age when the most impressive moments in a film for me where big action scenes and loud explosions, so I didn't care back then about the ill conceived plot or the incredibly daft lapses in logic.

Looking back on it, I do realize that DAD is complete garbage past the first 20 minutes. The one saving grace is Brosnan, who remains pitch perfect in his role right through the end, even if his age is settling in

Bruce_Wayne29

04-30-2007, 12:16 PM

I really liked the movie and even though I don't think it's Pierce's best I don't agree that is the worst 007 movie.

Everyman

05-03-2007, 10:29 AM

You know how you felt after leaving the cinema in 1997 having watched Batman & Robin? That's how I felt about Die Another Day.

Yes, that's exactly how I felt and exactly how I am stillf eeling about it.

BobJM

06-28-2007, 05:05 PM

I liked it. I actually liked all of Brosnan's films, but maybe that's because I'm stubborn.

*ANTHONY*

06-29-2007, 11:48 AM

I thought Die Another Day was still good. It was cartoonish and too fake at some points. But it did something that no Bond movie ever did before. Capture Bond. Let him get tortured. If they can get the writers from classic Bond films and today's special effects companies... they can make the perfect Bond film. Personally I feel Poerce is a really good Bond. Don't blame him.. blame the writers. This is my ranking of Pierce Brosnan films.

1-Tomorrow Never Dies
2-The World is not enough
3-Die Another Day
4-Goldeneye

Agentsands77

06-29-2007, 01:54 PM

But it did something that no Bond movie ever did before. Capture Bond. Let him get tortured.
Sure it did. But it did it in a really tame, unsure way, and after the opening 15 minutes of the film, it was back to the same old, same old. That idea was great in concept, but entirely wasted in the film.

Mr Jide

06-30-2007, 01:48 PM

1-Tomorrow Never Dies
2-The World is not enough
3-Die Another Day
4-Goldeneye

:wow: :wow: Shocking. Positively shocking.:o :cwink: :word:

*ANTHONY*

07-03-2007, 03:03 PM

I thought GoldenEye was kinda boring. Same old Russian villains. Tomorrow Never Dies was awesome. Great action! Car chases!! This was also the movie that got me into the Bond films. The World is Not Enough was pretty good. Weird and different but I liked it. The last film the feature "Q", the first to have "R". Die Another Day... you know, was okay. Halle Berry was a terrible Bond girl. Once again Bond sleeps with every girl he sees. It was cheezy with the invisible car. Fake action and all.

Kevin Roegele

07-03-2007, 06:13 PM

1-Tomorrow Never Dies
2-The World is not enough
3-Die Another Day
4-Goldeneye

I concur with your placement, except I'd reverse 3 and 4. As some people know, I'm vocally not a fan of GoldenEye, but I'd rank it high above DAD. I'd rank Never Say Never Again high above DAD-!

Everyman

07-04-2007, 09:51 AM

Sure it did. But it did it in a really tame, unsure way, and after the opening 15 minutes of the film, it was back to the same old, same old. That idea was great in concept, but entirely wasted in the film.

It is funny, people who like DAD always mention that Bond was capture, as if it never happened in the past. The worst thing was that in DAD, it was so inconsequential. Not only is he back with the same old, same old, but that Bond's capture is so devoid of consequences for 007 makes the event unbelievable and the whole movie more cartoonish. In DAD, not only does Bond fight RonoGraves and drives an invisible car, he also manages to gain weight after a year being torture in a Korean prison. And forget about it after a few days.

Furious Styles

07-04-2007, 09:21 PM

It is funny, people who like DAD always mention that Bond was capture, as if it never happened in the past. The worst thing was that in DAD, it was so inconsequential. Not only is he back with the same old, same old, but that Bond's capture is so devoid of consequences for 007 makes the event unbelievable and the whole movie more cartoonish. In DAD, not only does Bond fight RonoGraves and drives an invisible car, he also manages to gain weight after a year being torture in a Korean prison. And forget about it after a few days.

One of the most famous scenes in movie history, let alone in the Bond franchise, is Goldfinger interrogating Bond with the laser. So I don't think it neccesarily has to do with the novelty of Bond being captured, because he's captured in almost every film.

What makes the DAD scenario different is that Brosnan's Bond always had an out. Whether it was some ridiculous gadget (see DAD's final act) or some over the top scenario (see the final act of DAD again) Bond was always able to escape the clutches of death. However, this time, some witty one-liner doesn't help. He is captured, interrogated and tortured. He is left behind, abandoned and betrayed. In other Bond films, it's a convinient plot point to help move things along; in DAD, it's the catalyst that would drive the film. However, the first 20 minutes is the setup for a film we never get to see. All of the momentum that is built is lost and the film spirals into a mess of self-parody.

Then again, most scenarios that Bond is put in are unbelievable. The last thing Bond would have been able to to scream was "to the left!" after Le Chiffre began tortruing him. He probably would have gasped for air, thrown up and passed out within 15 seconds.

Agentsands77

07-04-2007, 09:31 PM

However, the first 20 minutes is the setup for a film we never get to see. All of the momentum that is built is lost and the film spirals into a mess of self-parody.
Well, it also doesn't help that the capture is done with a certain level of Roger Moore-ishness, too. Before he's captured, the pre-title sequence is remarkably over the top, with some bad puns ("Saved by the bell"), and immediately following his capture it goes into IN LIKE FLINT mode where Bond can apparently stop his heart.

There was a great, risky Bond film somewhere inside of DIE ANOTHER DAY... a gritty film about Bond being captured, disavowed, and then following a smuggling ring of African conflict diamonds. But it was lost among all the rubbish.

Kevin Roegele

07-05-2007, 07:04 PM

Well, it also doesn't help that the capture is done with a certain level of Roger Moore-ishness, too. Before he's captured, the pre-title sequence is remarkably over the top, with some bad puns ("Saved by the bell"), and immediately following his capture it goes into IN LIKE FLINT mode where Bond can apparently stop his heart.

Roger Moore-ishness is the wrong made up word to use. Bond movies were remarkably over the top and had bad puns long before (and after) Roger Moore.

*ANTHONY*

07-05-2007, 10:03 PM

I thought Tomorrow Never Dies was like so awesome. In fact, that was the Bond film that got me into Bond movies. It was most fun to watch, and pretty creative.

Agentsands77

07-06-2007, 10:28 AM

Roger Moore-ishness is the wrong made up word to use. Bond movies were remarkably over the top and had bad puns long before (and after) Roger Moore.
Granted, but when you use a word like Roger Moore-ishness, everybody knows what you're talking about. :cwink:

Brian Braddock

07-07-2007, 09:34 AM

The only even-remotely good thing about DAD was Xao.

And they killed him off...................go figure.

SelinaAndBruce

07-09-2007, 12:33 AM

I quite enjoyed Die Another Day. It was a little too much but it was still an enjoyable outing for me.

Everyman

07-09-2007, 11:30 AM

The only even-remotely good thing about DAD was Xao.

And they killed him off...................go figure.

He was more a potentially good character that ended up walking around looking mean. His demise was utterly anticlimatic.

Everyman

07-09-2007, 11:30 AM

I quite enjoyed Die Another Day. It was a little too much but it was still an enjoyable outing for me.

...It nearly murdered the franchise for good.

Riven

08-05-2007, 07:49 PM

Josh Bond

08-06-2007, 03:04 AM

Die Another Day, while much inferior to Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies, was a vast improvement on The World Is Not Enough, which I rank as probably the worst Bond movie ever (rivaled only by For Your Eyes Only).

I actually loved World is not enough as well as tomorrow never dies. Goldeneye was ok, but it was definayl Pierce's worst as far as I'm concerned.

Kevin Roegele

08-06-2007, 03:02 PM

...It nearly murdered the franchise for good.

Quite the opposite, Die Another Day is one of the most successful Bond movies ever. It made $431,971,116 worldwide, second only to Die Another Day in the unajusted box office stakes.

Kevin Roegele

08-06-2007, 03:02 PM

Die Another Day, while much inferior to Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies, was a vast improvement on The World Is Not Enough, which I rank as probably the worst Bond movie ever (rivaled only by For Your Eyes Only).

Why do you say this to me, when you know I will kill you for it?

Josh Bond

08-06-2007, 04:11 PM

Why do you say this to me, when you know I will kill you for it?

It's probabaly because you don't know his name, where he lives, or how to kill a half dead bug.....

Everyman

08-07-2007, 10:33 AM

Quite the opposite, Die Another Day is one of the most successful Bond movies ever. It made $431,971,116 worldwide, second only to Die Another Day in the unajusted box office stakes.

BO wise, maybe, but creatively wise, it nearly sunked the franchise. And let's not forget that Bond became a joke after that. I remember the audience in the theater loving it...as something big, loud and dumb.

Kevin Roegele

08-07-2007, 02:57 PM

BO wise, maybe, but creatively wise, it nearly sunked the franchise.

'Sunked'?

Sure it was a creative low point, but the series was always going to continue...

And let's not forget that Bond became a joke after that. I remember the audience in the theater loving it...as something big, loud and dumb.

I agree that's a shame. Bond should be big, loud and smarter than your average blockbuster.

Everyman

08-07-2007, 03:05 PM

'Sunked'?

Sure it was a creative low point, but the series was always going to continue...

I agree that's a shame. Bond should be big, loud and smarter than your average blockbuster.

Well, I think even Purvis and Wade (correct me if I'm wrong) said after DAD that they were running out of ideas. The series was sure ridiculed by many, and even appreciated for it's pure stupidity by average viewers. It was in a creativity and credibility void that could have destroyed it.

Kevin Roegele

08-07-2007, 07:14 PM

Well, I think even Purvis and Wade (correct me if I'm wrong) said after DAD that they were running out of ideas. The series was sure ridiculed by many, and even appreciated for it's pure stupidity by average viewers. It was in a creativity and credibility void that could have destroyed it.

Destroyed it how exactly? You mean if there was another movie (or two) in the same manner as DAD, they would have eventually flopped?

Golgo-13

08-07-2007, 08:42 PM

The first 15 minutes up until Bonds release was great. I felt, once Berry was introduced the movie fell into typical hollywood shmuck. There's no way a person who had been repeatedly tortured for a year plus, would 1) have gained or maintained the same weight and 2) not been psychologically traumatized by it. 'M' touched on it by saying she was sending Bond to the Falkland Islands for re-evaulation because ppl that have been through that are typically mentally/physically ****ed up, but that storyline fell apart. DAD had great petential.

The Madonna song put the final nail in the coffin for me. Even Tamahori says in the commentary that he didn't like the song, yet he uses it. :huh:

Kevin Roegele

08-07-2007, 09:27 PM

The Madonna song put the final nail in the coffin for me. Even Tamahori says in the commentary that he didn't like the song, yet he uses it. :huh:

I don't think Tamahori had any choice. Maybe the deal was done with Madonna before he even came aboard. Even if not, it's Madonna.

Josh Bond

08-08-2007, 03:15 AM

The first 15 minutes up until Bonds release was great. I felt, once Berry was introduced the movie fell into typical hollywood shmuck. There's no way a person who had been repeatedly tortured for a year plus, would 1) have gained or maintained the same weight and 2) not been psychologically traumatized by it. 'M' touched on it by saying she was sending Bond to the Falkland Islands for re-evaulation because ppl that have been through that are typically mentally/physically ****ed up, but that storyline fell apart. DAD had great petential.

I agree that it certainly had plot holes, but IMO it was still an enjoyable film.

Bond

08-08-2007, 03:20 AM

I enjoy every Bond movie in theaters.

It's when I get it on DVD when I start realizing if it sucks or not.

And DAD was garbage.

Everyman

08-08-2007, 09:05 AM

Destroyed it how exactly? You mean if there was another movie (or two) in the same manner as DAD, they would have eventually flopped?

I don't think the franchise could have survived another DAD. Yes, another like it could have flopped (DAD was financially successful because it was a Bond movie, not because of the movie tiself). It is sure that the franchise was in a creative void. They were talking about a spin off series with jinx for god's sake! Probably the most hated Bond girl!

Anyway, one has to wonder where could they go following the DAD route? Or, if DAD's profits were so promessing for the franchise, why did they decide to change the diametrically opposed approach with CR?

Everyman

08-08-2007, 09:06 AM

I agree that it certainly had plot holes, but IMO it was still an enjoyable film.

I sure didn't enjoy it.
DAD was an insult to james Bond and his fans.

Riven

08-08-2007, 05:06 PM

Why do you say this to me, when you know I will kill you for it?
I have a deathwish and you have a license to kill? :huh:

I can't help it... FYEO puts me to sleep every. damn. time.

Bond

08-08-2007, 05:07 PM

GE puts me to sleep.

:(

Kevin Roegele

08-08-2007, 08:00 PM

DAD was financially successful because it was a Bond movie, not because of the movie tiself

So why is it the second most succesful Bond movie ever? Why did it make much more than some of the other Bond entries that are much better movies (The Living Daylights, for example)?

Kevin Roegele

08-08-2007, 08:01 PM

GE puts me to sleep.

:(

You Only Live Twice for me.

Josh Bond

08-09-2007, 02:32 AM

GE puts me to sleep.

:(

Same! So does For your eyes only and AVTAK

Everyman

08-09-2007, 06:53 AM

So why is it the second most succesful Bond movie ever? Why did it make much more than some of the other Bond entries that are much better movies (The Living Daylights, for example)?

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you take into account inflation, isn't Thunderball the most successful movie of the franchise, and there are others more successful than DAD, including CR? That it was financially successful, I cannot deny it. But I doubt it was for its own qualities, but more due to circumstantial reasons, and to its belonging to the franchise. And I will stand by my point: it was puting the franchise at very serious risk. Why would they take the very opposite route with CR if DAD was promessing so well? Why was it derided by critics and fans? There is success, and there is enduring success.

Kevin Roegele

08-09-2007, 01:34 PM

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you take into account inflation, isn't Thunderball the most successful movie of the franchise, and there are others more successful than DAD, including CR?

Yeah, even adjusted for inflation DAD is still the sixth most succesful ever (before it are CR, Thunderball, Goldfinger, YOLT and FRWL).

That it was financially successful, I cannot deny it. But I doubt it was for its own qualities, but more due to circumstantial reasons, and to its belonging to the franchise. And I will stand by my point: it was puting the franchise at very serious risk. Why would they take the very opposite route with CR if DAD was promessing so well? Why was it derided by critics and fans? There is success, and there is enduring success.

I don't believe EON ever intended to make two films in a row in the style of DAD. All the last seven Bond movies have been different in style to their predecessor (sp?) largely because of different directors. Tamohori was only signed on for DAD, and as it was the 40th anniversary of Bond, it was intended as an over-the-top celebration of the series. It was just the style for that particular movie.

Golgo-13

08-09-2007, 07:10 PM

I don't think the franchise could have survived another DAD. Yes, another like it could have flopped (DAD was financially successful because it was a Bond movie, not because of the movie tiself). It is sure that the franchise was in a creative void. They were talking about a spin off series with jinx for god's sake! Probably the most hated Bond girl!

One of DAD biggest flaws was that they tried to tamper with the formula too much. They tried to make Berry Bonds equal; give Bond a run for his money,etc. They did an awesome job (imo) balancing the 'Bond's equal' aspect with Michelle Yeoh in TND, but with DAD they just went overboard. We didn't pay money to see a Bond flick, where Bonds gets shown up by his co-star. Blade:Trinity made the same mistake. They tried to give Biel a spin off Nightstalkers movie by trying to make her Blade's equal, and that like DAD, back-fired on them. Spin-offs are fine and dandy, but don't **** over the main-star of the movie while doing it.

Kevin Roegele

08-09-2007, 07:51 PM

One of DAD biggest flaws was that they tried to tamper with the formula too much. They tried to make Berry Bonds equal; give Bond a run for his money,etc. They did an awesome job (imo) balancing the 'Bond's equal' aspect with Michelle Yeoh in TND, but with DAD they just went overboard. We didn't pay money to see a Bond flick, where Bonds gets shown up by his co-star. Blade:Trinity made the same mistake. They tried to give Biel a spin off Nightstalkers movie by trying to make her Blade's equal, and that like DAD, back-fired on them. Spin-offs are fine and dandy, but don't **** over the main-star of the movie while doing it.

Absolutely. Plus, by the time we had Harry Berry come along pretending she could kick ass, we'd already seen Michelle Yeoh, who really can kick it. Just made Jinx even more unconvincing.

Everyman

08-10-2007, 06:30 AM

One of DAD biggest flaws was that they tried to tamper with the formula too much. They tried to make Berry Bonds equal; give Bond a run for his money,etc. They did an awesome job (imo) balancing the 'Bond's equal' aspect with Michelle Yeoh in TND, but with DAD they just went overboard. We didn't pay money to see a Bond flick, where Bonds gets shown up by his co-star. Blade:Trinity made the same mistake. They tried to give Biel a spin off Nightstalkers movie by trying to make her Blade's equal, and that like DAD, back-fired on them. Spin-offs are fine and dandy, but don't **** over the main-star of the movie while doing it.

I was never a big fan of Way Lin, but at least Michelle Yeoh was a convincing tough chick. Halle Berry looked out of place for two hours. A spin off can work only if the character is different enough from the one of the original series. If he isn't, why bother?

Brian Braddock

08-10-2007, 08:22 AM

Tamohori was probably too busy pondering over which dress he was going to wear for a heavy night on the town after each days shooting, to be concerned over DAD's quality.

:D

Kevin Roegele

08-10-2007, 01:31 PM

Tamohori was probably too busy pondering over which dress he was going to wear for a heavy night on the town after each days shooting, to be concerned over DAD's quality.

:D

And let the Tamahori jokes......commence. :woot:

Die Another Day is the only Bond movie where the director himself auditioned to be the Bond girl.

Brian Braddock

08-11-2007, 05:12 AM

And let the Tamahori jokes......commence. :woot:

Die Another Day is the only Bond movie where the director himself auditioned to be the Bond girl.

Lolz.

Lee Tamahori cross-dressing simulator:-

http://defamer.com/hollywood/lee-tamahori/lets-go-cruising-with-lee-tamahori-153939.php

Kevin Roegele

08-11-2007, 03:53 PM

This just in; Tamahori's next movie will be an adaption of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Set in contemporary LA, the dwarfs will all be undercover police officers trailing Snow White, who is played by Patrick Stewart.

http://stng.36el.com/st-tng/cast/images/stewart.jpg

Everyman

08-12-2007, 09:18 AM

Golgo-13

08-15-2007, 06:53 PM