OFFICIAL: Theatrical Trailer Thread

[Agent 194]

Yeah, Buscema drew muscular but he drew long muscles which this version seems to have. Buscema's anatomy was so good it was like viewing a text book. I must admit I disagree with the choice to show the nipples. I always thought of the silver exterior as almost an extra coat around the body that hid everything. Hence the no pupils and no genitalia either.

And I will say again, I'd love to see that glassy eyed, vapid, eyeball-less Surfer from the comics. Eerie, spooky, otherworldly. That's the look I believe it should be. I don't suppose anyone can photoshop that and at least see what it'd look like.


Very interesting comparisons, Dark Phantom, on the improvements on the Surfer. Kirby, then later John Buscema's Surfer had the typical muscular superhero physique and it looks like he was bulked up more. Doug's a good performer but he's a couple dozen sirloin steaks away from having the Surfer's build. Actually, in the cast Julian's physique comes closer, at 6 foot 3 with the 34 inch waist and broad shoulders, plus he was an avid surfer in his youth in Australia. ( *geez, it's getting warm in here) Doug does have the graceful movements that one would imagine. As for the silver nipples, it gets pretty chilly in outer space.

Dragon it seems he's trying to get on Kel's good side... Heh... I must have taken some of the starch out of him to soften him up. :woot: Ya don't want to mess with us armored types.

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[thegameq]

hmmmm....ok, interesting trailer. But execution, execution, execution....Tim's execution for such an epic undertaking has got to be spot on--no short changing or half assing.

Doom is still being hidden, why I don't know, it's not a mystery who he is--it's his look that's a mystery, and I have a bad feeling Tim and co decided to not use traditional Doom again. I suspect the Doom we want is to dark and serious for the type of "fun" film Fox wants.

Galactus...frankly, I'm already lowering my expectations and bracing for the letdown. I just can't see them really doing the character justice. If they can't get Doom right--who isn't the most complicated character in the world, how can I honestly expect them to do Galactus right?

Also, I think the thing many people feel missing from the previous and possibly this film is a sense of comicbook style or dynamic. Raimi's and Donner's films have that sense of comicbook flair and style. I don't feel that from FF. That sense of style and flair like the Incredibles had. This may have more to do with the vision and talent of the director than anything else.

Oh well....................we'll see. Color me very cautiously optimistic.

[maxgremlin]

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[maxgremlin]

Hey, guys. Though I usually just skulk on these boards, occasinally I do post.:cwink: The reason Im posting is that some of you guys dont think that Lawrence Fishburne is a good choice for the voice of Silver Surfer. It is your right to feel that way and I would never argue that.

But I do feel I should tell why I think he is a great choice for this. Not long ago I visited the Smithsonian Air and Space Museuem in Washington DC. There I decided to catch the show at the planetarium. :whatever: It was called Infinity Express.

First thing is, forget everything that you know about planetariums. This is the Smithsonian. This planetarium dosent have the usual downsides of other ones i.e. being boring, stupid or something that you usually sleep through. :o

The dome was made up of what had to be over 150 screens that could be used individually, clumped together to make a larger images or used all at once for just one image. :wow: It was more IMAX than just projecting dots on a background. The show used a combination of cgi and hi rez images from the Hubble telescope. The jist of it was how astronomers are mapping our galaxy and what they are finding. It was awesome to say the least.:yay:http://media.nasm.si.edu/webimages/640/WEB10071-2003_640.jpg

Anyway, the point of this is that the guy who did the recorded voice over for the show was, you guessed it, Lawrence Fishburne. At first I didn't recognize his voice at all although it did sound familiar to me.:huh: I didn't realize it was him until I saw his name in the credits. Trust me guys, the man is capable of a lot more, vocally speaking, than just Morpheus. He spoke with such eloquence, authority and gravitas about all things celestial. :woot: In fact, i wouldnt be surpised if it was because of his work on this that he got the job for SS in the first place.

I love the ff and ss, so trust me, i wouldnt tell you he is great addition to this film if i didnt think so. He will rock on this.

[Malus]

Well I think Tim Story will deliver. And some one (not from these boards) made a remark about Tim Story being a mediocre director. Sheesh this guy was the toast of the town with Barbershop as a breakout guy. Then he mistepped with another comedy, taxi and was dropped into a project that had a decade of history and preproduction and you want to nixon his whole career, we will be better able to judge his abilities after this follow up.

:up:
You could put Emeril in the kitchen of a McDonald's, but without the proper ingredients (and freedom) at his disposal, the best he could serve up would be an aesthetically pleasing Big Mac.

Barbershop was a critically-acclaimed and financially successful film, enough to warrant a sequel (which Story did not helm.) Having seen only Barbershop, and not Taxi (I don't know what happened there) I was happy when I heard that Story had been picked to direct Fantastic Four.
I'll be honest, I thought specifically of Cedric the Entertainer's politically incorrect rant in Barbershop, and I thought, "Now here's a guy that could really bring something to the Johnny/Ben feuds and banter." Because that is the Fantastic Four to me.
Of course, you gotta get the other stuff right too, and that did not happen in FF1, in my opinion. Not by a long shot. And as a fan of 37 years, I was saddened by it. Saddened and angered.

But knowing that Tim Story had talent, I didn't automatically blame only him. Tim himself is a lifelong FF fan, so that made me even less inclined to blame only him.
Not letting Tim off completely, but I mainly blame the suits at Fox and the decade of development hell the FF project had been in prior to Tim's hiring.
And maybe I blame Peyton Reed (the original director) just a little for bailing out in pre-production...That gave less time for Tim to settle in and take the helm, maybe even less clout because of the circumstances... I don't know... I just know the guy can do good and I'm fairly optimistic we're going to see a quantum leap overall on June 15th.

[TheShadowCat]

Hey, guys. Though I usually just skulk on these boards, occasinally I do post.:cwink: The reason Im posting is that some of you guys dont think that Lawrence Fishburne is a good choice for the voice of Silver Surfer. It is your right to feel that way and I would never argue that.

But I do feel I should tell why I think he is a great choice for this. Not long ago I visited the Smithsonian Air and Space Museuem in Washington DC. There I decided to catch the show at the planetarium. :whatever: It was called Infinity Express.

First thing is, forget everything that you know about planetariums. This is the Smithsonian. This planetarium dosent have the usual downsides of other ones i.e. being boring, stupid or something that you usually sleep through. :o

The dome was made up of what had to be over 150 screens that could be used individually, clumped together to make a larger images or used all at once for just one image. :wow: It was more IMAX than just projecting dots on a background. The show used a combination of cgi and hi rez images from the Hubble telescope. The jist of it was how astronomers are mapping our galaxy and what they are finding. It was awesome to say the least.:yay:http://media.nasm.si.edu/webimages/640/WEB10071-2003_640.jpg

Anyway, the point of this is that the guy who did the recorded voice over for the show was, you guessed it, Lawrence Fishburne. At first I didn't recognize his voice at all although it did sound familiar to me.:huh: I didn't realize it was him until I saw his name in the credits. Trust me guys, the man is capable of a lot more, vocally speaking, than just Morpheus. He spoke with such eloquence, authority and gravitas about all things celestial. :woot: In fact, i wouldnt be surpised if it was because of his work on this that he got the job for SS in the first place.

I love the ff and ss, so trust me, i wouldnt tell you he is great addition to this film if i didnt think so. He will rock on this.
My main objection to Fishburne doing the voice is that the only reason Fox is doing this is because they want to make more money, not because the character needed his voice. To top it off, Fox is barely acknowledging Doug Jones' involvement in this movie which really has got my fur rubbed the wrong way. I'm sure Fishburne will do a fine job, I just think that Fox could have been better about how they handled this whole thing.

>^^<

[Caliber]

So why does Johnny get Things power and vice versa?

[Iron Maiden]

I was thinking recently that the FF foe Julian is best suited for would be Sub-Mariner, although i had no idea what his physique was like.

Then I guess you've never watched Nip/Tuck...:woot: a couple of million views know exactly what his physique is like

Ah.. jealousy? I dig it.. But let's not turn this website into a soap opera. Pro or con, I've always thought Kel was the Bee's knees.. Not that you're any slouch either... :word:

Bah! The Mistress of Iron cares not for such maudlin sentimentality (I've been in Latveria toooo long)

And now for something completely different. I saw Letterman last night and they showed a longer clip of the scene they show in the Spider-Man 3 trailer of Gwen being rescued from some building and I have to say..... it looked crummy. Spider-Man looked more like an animated Toy Biz action figure, and the texture or whatever you want to call it of his costume (the red and blue)looked plastic. And I have a HD TV. The FF trailer looks much more crisp by comparison on my PC. And I am not trying to trash Spidey's films in order to boost the FF but did anyone else see that? Does it look any better in the theater? They pulled a funny little stunt on Letterman with Topher Grace coming out on stage when they gave Tobey's intro by the way.

I mention this because in the Sun Times review today, Richard Roeper (an aging yuppy who frequently annoys me on the TV show) also alludes to a "cartoonish" Spider Man in action Check out the review... he ain't too kind.



May 2, 2007

Spidey spins shaky web
MOVIE REVIEW | Big-bucks third installment is too long, lacks imposing villains, and that girlfriend ...

By Richard Roeper

If you walked out of the exhilarating triumph that was “Spider-Man 2” and immediately started counting the days until the release of Spidey Trois, there’s probably nothing I can say that will dissuade you from racing to the multiplex for the eagerly anticipated third installment — but I gotta try, anyway, so here goes.
Kirsten Dunst sings in this movie, more than once.


At one point Peter Parker undergoes a personality and style makeover that makes him look and act like he’s the unknown third brother from “A Night at the Roxbury.”
The spaghetti-armed nice guy Topher Grace from “That ’70s Show” is supposed to inspire fear and loathing. What, Mila Kunis wasn’t available?
We are introduced to two new villains, and they are arguably the silliest and least menacing archenemies in comic book movies since Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze.
The climactic rescue sequence, with Mary Jane dangling from on high, echoes the big finale in the first “Spider-Man.”
One major character actually gets amnesia — convenient, “All My Children”-style, short-term amnesia — caused by a blow to the head.
Spidey/Peter gets a new love interest of sorts — and she’s just as boring and bland as his self-pitying girlfriend.

Running 139 minutes, it’s at least 20 minutes too long.

Did I mention the part about Kirsten Dunst singing?

It’s not as if I wasn’t rooting for “Spider-Man 3.” I enjoyed the spirit and the energy and the colorful look of the first “Spider-Man,” and I thought “Spider-Man 2” was the best superhero sequel ever made — which is why I was so disappointed by the meandering storylines, sub-par performances and lackluster bad guys of “Spider-Man 3.” It’s as if director Sam Raimi felt he had to give us more of everything, and in the process lost sight of what made the first two films so enjoyable — likable characters facing off against truly menacing and evil villains, a half-dozen great action scenes and just the right dose of madcap humor. Not Mary Jane Watson singing, and Peter Parker behaving like Borat. (More on that in a moment.)

Of course, the action scenes are eye-popping (if at times a bit cartoonish) and great fun. “Spider-Man 3” is one of the most expensive movies ever made, and Raimi put his battalions of special-effects crews and stunt performers to good use. Spidey bounces and flies around Manhattan with such grace and speed, and the CGI and stunt folks do such a brilliant job of creating monsters and smashing buildings and crashing cars that we almost take it for granted"

for the rest of the review....
Source: http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/365719,05010spider.article

Most of the time, I really don't pay that much to his reviews anyway but I was surprised that the review seemed to come down a bit hard on it. Won't stop be from going to see the movie in any case. Although Kirsten Dunst and Tobey McGuire.... singing????

[Carp Man]

So why does Johnny get Things power and vice versa?

Reed states at 1:05 of the trailer that Johnny's encounter with the surfer altered his DNA, where he could temp. switch powers, which led to the rest of the scene.

[breyfogle_rules]

My favorite parts of the trailer!

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7453/ffpu7.jpg

[Caliber]

Reed states at 1:05 of the trailer that Johnny's encounter with the surfer altered his DNA, where he could temp. switch powers, which led to the rest of the scene.

Ok I've only seen the trailer without sound so that helps.

[TheShadowCat]

Reed states at 1:05 of the trailer that Johnny's encounter with the surfer altered his DNA, where he could temp. switch powers, which led to the rest of the scene.
"Your encounter with the Surfer has altered your molecules, it cause you to temporarily switch powers" is the exact line. I'm not a molecular scientist, but there is a difference between molecules and DNA. If they're using them interchangably, then that's just bad science. But hey, what do you want from people who hang an x-ray upside down?:cwink::woot:

>^^<

[RagingTempest]

One thing I'm not getting it the whole Galactus is a cloud thing, It's just dark clouds, I don't see Galactus in any shape or form, or am I missing something?:huh:

[TheShadowCat]

One thing I'm not getting it the whole Galactus is a cloud thing, It's just dark clouds, I don't see Galactus in any shape or form, or am I missing something?:huh:
I don't think Galactus is in this trailer at all. The clouds we see at the beginning is the Surfer entering Earth's atmosphere.

>^^<

[highguard]

:up:
You could put Emeril in the kitchen of a McDonald's, but without the proper ingredients (and freedom) at his disposal, the best he could serve up would be an aesthetically pleasing Big Mac.

..... I just know the guy can do good and I'm fairly optimistic we're going to see a quantum leap overall on June 15th.

That part about Emeril that is a keeper..

And yes Tim must bear some blame for the poor dialogue at times (marco polo...uhhhh) but I suspect that he was a little overwhelmed by the magnitude of it all and a lot of detail stuff got neglected.

All the actors have been making the point of how comfortable he seems now.

After this production though he will have no excuses, and as Willie said in another thread and as I concur, he is not going to make Galactus into a cloud.

If he did that he would be dead on the hype and I would not be able to defend him any more. The trailer and movie looks great though and I think that it is going to be huge at the boxoffice.

[darkseid26]

My favorite parts of the trailer!

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7453/ffpu7.jpg



lol love the first one!!!:woot: :trans:

[Retroman]

The full trailer is out

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/fantasticfourriseofthesilversurfer/

*shakes head*
I think i must be dreaming. That really can't be what the Fantastic Four movie is going to look like?:confused: :eek:
In the morning when i wake up i'll know for sure if this is real or if i just had a nice dream.

[The Apatow Crew]

*shakes head*
I think i must be dreaming. That really can't be what the Fantastic Four movie is going to look like?:confused: :eek:
In the morning when i wake up i'll know for sure if this is real or if i just had a nice dream.No its a not a dream its for real.

[Noir]

..Hmm. Albafan hasn't said something about your avvy?

[The Apatow Crew]

..Hmm. Albafan hasn't said something about your avvy?Cause shes not on. give it time.:woot:

[Hunter Rider]

That's so creepy

[The Apatow Crew]

That's so creepyThats the whole point. But i think it has ran its course. I didn't do this someone dared me to use it as a avvy and i did. So don't go call the police or anything.

[superherofan777]

khjkhjkjjkk

[Carp Man]

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http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Fantastic-Four-2-Trailer-Shows-Galactus-5074.html

[Carp Man]

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[superherofan777]

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http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Fantastic-Four-2-Trailer-Shows-Galactus-5074.html


Watch this trailer in HD is AMAZEING! The way doom looks when hit by that blast is AWESOME!

[Spider - Man]

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Anyone in the know feel like something's missing from that 3rd pic?

[TheShadowCat]

Anyone in the know feel like something's missing from that 3rd pic?
Well, considering Johnny can fly, he doesn't really need to fly in the Fantasticar, now does he? However, it's nice to have a seat there for him in case he gets hurt.

>^^<

[Malus]

Anyone in the know feel like something's missing from that 3rd pic?

Sue looks like she might be searching for an air sickness bag...

[Bishop2]

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/5074/_1178001597.jpg

Sue makes a crappy linebacker.

[Dragon]

Then I guess you've never watched Nip/Tuck...:woot: a couple of million views know exactly what his physique is like

So you're saying he's got the goods?

Bah! The Mistress of Iron cares not for such maudlin sentimentality (I've been in Latveria toooo long)

Then I take it that when you're embraced there's a metallic CLANG. Too bad.

And now for something completely different. I saw Letterman last night and they showed a longer clip of the scene they show in the Spider-Man 3 trailer of Gwen being rescued from some building and I have to say..... it looked crummy. Spider-Man looked more like an animated Toy Biz action figure, and the texture or whatever you want to call it of his costume (the red and blue)looked plastic. And I have a HD TV. The FF trailer looks much more crisp by comparison on my PC. And I am not trying to trash Spidey's films in order to boost the FF but did anyone else see that? Does it look any better in the theater? They pulled a funny little stunt on Letterman with Topher Grace coming out on stage when they gave Tobey's intro by the way.

I mention this because in the Sun Times review today, Richard Roeper (an aging yuppy who frequently annoys me on the TV show) also alludes to a "cartoonish" Spider Man in action Check out the review... he ain't too kind.



Most of the time, I really don't pay that much to his reviews anyway but I was surprised that the review seemed to come down a bit hard on it. Won't stop be from going to see the movie in any case. Although Kirsten Dunst and Tobey McGuire.... singing????

Well... In regards to the crane sequence in Spidey- I think it looks great. Yes, of course Spidey looks CG. CG simply isn't seamless. And by comparison to FF- first, FF makes no bones about its being CG. The Surfer is clearly All CG, so they have no real human to compare him to as with Spidey. And moreover- there are no complex movements in FF2 as with Spidey. The surfer just glides along. His biggest movment is in swatting the missile, and it looks just a springy as Spidey does.

But my thing is that the crane sequence, CGish or not is simply more creative than anything shown in FF. For example, the missile dodging is extremely straight-forward. That's what I meant when I said there were no wows in the trailer. All the action is just what you'd expect with nothing special thrown in. But in the crane scene, one of the simpler action scenes in Spidey 3 you have so much going on. Spidey dodging, bouncing off of and even using debris to get to Gwen. If Tim story directed it, he'd just swing in and grab Gwen, and that'd be about it.

[LostSon88]

Sue makes a crappy linebacker.

Doesn't matter...she can tackle me any time. :cwink: :woot:

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Anyone in the know feel like something's missing from that 3rd pic?
Well, acording to the novelization, yes, there's actually something missing in that picture.

[Iron Maiden]

So you're saying he's got the goods?

Well, I won't get too graphic here but most of his sex scenes as the libidinous Dr Troy leave very little to the imaginaton.

Then I take it that when you're embraced there's a metallic CLANG. Too bad.

That and you can never find a can opener when you need one...

Well... In regards to the crane sequence in Spidey- I think it looks great. Yes, of course Spidey looks CG. CG simply isn't seamless. And by comparison to FF- first, FF makes no bones about its being CG. The Surfer is clearly All CG, so they have no real human to compare him to as with Spidey. And moreover- there are no complex movements in FF2 as with Spidey. The surfer just glides along. His biggest movment is in swatting the missile, and it looks just a springy as Spidey does.

But my thing is that the crane sequence, CGish or not is simply more creative than anything shown in FF. For example, the missile dodging is extremely straight-forward. That's what I meant when I said there were no wows in the trailer. All the action is just what you'd expect with nothing special thrown in. But in the crane scene, one of the simpler action scenes in Spidey 3 you have so much going on. Spidey dodging, bouncing off of and even using debris to get to Gwen. If Tim story directed it, he'd just swing in and grab Gwen, and that'd be about it.

Okay, but you say you are in the industry and this always confuses me. Just how much direction can be done if the SFX company is now doing all the work? It's storyboarded out I presume but don't they do all the visualization and don't they act as sort of a second filming unit under another's direction, not Tim Story? I have no clue about this kind of stuff. To tell the truth, Spidey in action always looked a bit "bouncy" to me from the first but, I dunno, it looked even more so in that sequence.

[gambitfire]

Well... In regards to the crane sequence in Spidey- I think it looks great. Yes, of course Spidey looks CG. CG simply isn't seamless. And by comparison to FF- first, FF makes no bones about its being CG. The Surfer is clearly All CG, so they have no real human to compare him to as with Spidey. And moreover- there are no complex movements in FF2 as with Spidey. The surfer just glides along. His biggest movment is in swatting the missile, and it looks just a springy as Spidey does.

How can you compare the 2 when one is hardcore animation and the others is complete mo-cap. That's like saying Doug Jones doesn't move realistically... :dry:


But my thing is that the crane sequence, CGish or not is simply more creative than anything shown in FF. For example, the missile dodging is extremely straight-forward. That's what I meant when I said there were no wows in the trailer. All the action is just what you'd expect with nothing special thrown in. But in the crane scene, one of the simpler action scenes in Spidey 3 you have so much going on. Spidey dodging, bouncing off of and even using debris to get to Gwen. If Tim story directed it, he'd just swing in and grab Gwen, and that'd be about it.

That's because he's Spider-man When has SS been known for his acrobatic skills? The only character who could of done the things you describe would of been Mr. Fantastic and considering this is a movie about 4 superpowered charactesr (More SFX demanding) Someone got the short end.

[Dragon]

Okay, but you say you are in the industry and this always confuses me. Just how much direction can be done if the SFX company is now doing all the work? It's storyboarded out I presume but don't they do all the visualization and don't they act as sort of a second filming unit under another's direction, not Tim Story? I have no clue about this kind of stuff. To tell the truth, Spidey in action always looked a bit "bouncy" to me from the first but, I dunno, it looked even more so in that sequence.

Ideally- The director has final say on all creative decisions. On films as big as Ff and Spidey have numerous departments- Costume design, set design, special FX, CG effects. Departments that criss-cross, such a storyboarding, FX and CG, but in the end, they all are under the guide of the director.

For example, Second units have their own director, but ultimately they still answer to the director, in this case Tim Story. He approves their shot list. They relay rushes to him so that he can decide if more shooting is needed.

In the case of the CG, the director reviews the animation and signs off when he feels it's complete, after which it goes to the compositors and editing, finally to be printed on film.

What it appears is that studio execs are shadowing Story every step of the way, making final decisions instead of trusting him.

As for Spidey's bounciness- like I said, that's just the nature of CG animation it happens in pretty much every film where there's a character that is at least in some shots 1001% CG. Sometimes you can score perfect photorealism, sometimes you just can't. The other option is to simply not have the shot in the film.

[Dragon]

How can you compare the 2 when one is hardcore animation and the others is complete mo-cap. That's like saying Doug Jones doesn't move realistically... :dry:

I'm comparing the two in saying that the Surfer's movement is alot simpler and easier to perform than Spidey's



That's because he's Spider-man When has SS been known for his acrobatic skills? The only character who could of done the things you describe would of been Mr. Fantastic and considering this is a movie about 4 superpowered charactesr (More SFX demanding) Someone got the short end.

The Surfer is always talking about gliding through meteor storms and what not. But anyway, I'm not talking merely about character movement. I'm talking about creativity in choreographing an action scene.

[Spider - Man]

Well, acording to the novelization, yes, there's actually something missing in that picture.

Bingo. That's what I was getting at. Makes me wonder if the film scene will be different or the shot is unfinished.

[Compi716]

That shot of Doom getting hit by the Surfer's blast: would someone mind explaining to me what exactly is going on there?

[Willie Lumpkin]

Bingo. That's what I was getting at. Makes me wonder if the film scene will be different or the shot is unfinished.

I think they must have intentionally shot one without him for the trailer just to keep from ruining it. The trailer presents Surfer as enemy, so a scene like that would have really caused a problem and given away too much of the plot to a generla audience. At least that's my guess.

That shot of Doom getting hit by the Surfer's blast: would someone mind explaining to me what exactly is going on there?

Doom meets up with Surfer to try to talk him into joining up with him. Surfer (of course) isn't interested. Doom tries to attack Surfer, and Surfer responds by scattering Doom's atoms and then re-assembling them. I guess he didn't want to kill him . . . just show him who was boss.

[The Apatow Crew]

Doesn't matter...she can tackle me any time. :cwink: :woot:lol i know what you mean.:o

[superherofan777]

I can`t wait to see this trailer with sm3 tommorrow!!!

[Onlooker]

SM3 itself seems to be getting a bit of pasting from people who've seen it. The general consensus, even from those who liked it, is that its the weakest of the three.

[50yroldfffan]

That shot of Doom getting hit by the Surfer's blast: would someone mind explaining to me what exactly is going on there?
well I think what is happening is doom said something about the surfers mom, and then the surfer got mad and tossed a cosmic snowball at him (but it was one of those snowballs that have ice in the center) blasting doom to atoms, thats what cosmic snowballs with ice at the center can do ;-)

[LEX]

I just saw the trailer today with which I needn't point out and WOW, it was epic all around. Much better than watching it on my minuscule computer. A particular hair-raising moment for me was when it showed all four of them doing what they do best, using their powers. Thing lifting the car, Invisible Woman stopping the helicopter, and so on, so forth. By the by, I noticed some changes in the trailer, and these I checked with the one on my computer only to learn that I was right, like that new footage of the Surfer rising from that humongous hole before Doom, the shot of the team standing in a forest moved to a later part of the trailer and a new, uninteresting split-second shot of one of the signs falling onto a car. Interesting that our trailer is slightly different than yours, though not unheard of.

If they get this right, I wouldn't be surprised to see people comparing it to a certain superhero flick that's just come out not a day ago. As it's been noted, the latter flick isn't getting the best responses.

[TheShadowCat]

Sue makes a crappy linebacker.
I'd like to see you tackle someone in a wedding dress and high heels. As someone who's actually worn these items, I was happy that I didn't step on the dress or twist my ankle.

>^^<

[Iron Maiden]

Ideally- The director has final say on all creative decisions. On films as big as Ff and Spidey have numerous departments- Costume design, set design, special FX, CG effects. Departments that criss-cross, such a storyboarding, FX and CG, but in the end, they all are under the guide of the director.

For example, Second units have their own director, but ultimately they still answer to the director, in this case Tim Story. He approves their shot list. They relay rushes to him so that he can decide if more shooting is needed.

In the case of the CG, the director reviews the animation and signs off when he feels it's complete, after which it goes to the compositors and editing, finally to be printed on film.

What it appears is that studio execs are shadowing Story every step of the way, making final decisions instead of trusting him.

As for Spidey's bounciness- like I said, that's just the nature of CG animation it happens in pretty much every film where there's a character that is at least in some shots 1001% CG. Sometimes you can score perfect photorealism, sometimes you just can't. The other option is to simply not have the shot in the film.

Thanks for the explanation. I am reading rumored budgets for S-3 at around 300 million dollars. Not sure what the FF movie is slotted for but I think it was around half of that. And that's what a producer whats to do....keep an eye on that bottom line. If you spend 10 million dollars on your film, for example, and box office is 10 million, you haven't really even broken even. You have to make almost twice that. I think if I were in charge of the pursestrings, I would be looking over the director's shoulder too, so that you don't have one of those infamous runaway productions.

Truthfully, I wished they spent that kind of money on the story. For example.... glance down at my sig.... that's the way Doom in the comics speaks. A more highly evolved version of what Stan used (or some say Jack did it :woot: ) I would rather a writer with a firm sci fi background have been assigned. Heck, sometimes there are some pretty far out concepts in the comics that I have to look up to understand, like Mark Waid's use of the moebus(sp?) dimensional prison.

[gambitfire]

I'm comparing the two in saying that the Surfer's movement is alot simpler and easier to perform than Spidey's


Sorry i misunderstood since you said SS's gliding looked Springy. I though you ment it in a negative way.



The Surfer is always talking about gliding through meteor storms and what not. But anyway, I'm not talking merely about character movement. I'm talking about creativity in choreographing an action scene.

But there isn't much complex choreography (atleast not anything out of this world *no pun intended*) to gliding. Besides it's only the trailer.

Edit- I guess it all depends on what you're gliding through. On Earth there isn't much that could really harm SS. Actually that goes for the universe as well.

[SeverianB]

LS, I'm going to start a "Put Sue in sexy nerd glasses for the whole of FF3" club.
Would you like to be a charter member?

Man, she looks great in that scene. Yeah, yeah, the Silver Surfer meeting Doom on the lip of a giant chasm of his creation and then blowing him away with the Power Cosmic is O.K. I guess.... but Jessica Alba as a hot scientist, that's FANTASTIC.

[Spider - Man]

Truthfully, I wished they spent that kind of money on the story. For example.... glance down at my sig.... that's the way Doom in the comics speaks. A more highly evolved version of what Stan used (or some say Jack did it :woot: ) I would rather a writer with a firm sci fi background have been assigned.

I gotta say, it wouldn't have mattered who wrote the dialogue for Doom, as long as JMc is speaking them (regardless of how good you think he looks!) they would just be delivered in that same un-commanding, no-trace-of-a-foreign-accent, "marco polo" voice he had in the first film.
Hear him saying some of his better lines from the first film:
"Marco...polo" (as already mentioned)
"I'm sorry, (forget guy's name),...but I'm not going anywhere."
"This...is gonna be FUN."
Now imagine that voice saying classic Doom dialogue from the comics. It's laughable! Even if they had Julian doing the physical acting for Doom, they shoulda pulled a Darth Vader and had someone like John Rhys Davis do the voice.

[Lightning Strykez!]

LS, I'm going to start a "Put Sue in sexy nerd glasses for the whole of FF3" club.
Would you like to be a charter member?



"I'm not only a client, I'm also the President."

:woot:

[Doctor of Doom]

I gotta say, it wouldn't have mattered who wrote the dialogue for Doom, as long as JMc is speaking them (regardless of how good you think he looks!) they would just be delivered in that same un-commanding, no-trace-of-a-foreign-accent, "marco polo" voice he had in the first film.
Hear him saying some of his better lines from the first film:
"Marco...polo" (as already mentioned)
"I'm sorry, (forget guy's name),...but I'm not going anywhere."
"This...is gonna be FUN."
Now imagine that voice saying classic Doom dialogue from the comics. It's laughable! Even if they had Julian doing the physical acting for Doom, they shoulda pulled a Darth Vader and had someone like John Rhys Davis do the voice.

I mostly agree but to be fair, the FF2 book references his voice changing a lot near the end so fingers crossed...

[Kelly]

well I think what is happening is doom said something about the surfers mom, and then the surfer got mad and tossed a cosmic snowball at him (but it was one of those snowballs that have ice in the center) blasting doom to atoms, thats what cosmic snowballs with ice at the center can do ;-)


HEEEEEEEY, use spoiler tags, you are giving away toooooooo much from the novel.......:cwink:

[50yroldfffan]

HEEEEEEEY, use spoiler tags, you are giving away toooooooo much from the novel.......:cwink:
sorry I'll try to do better ha ha :-)

[The Apatow Crew]

LS, I'm going to start a "Put Sue in sexy nerd glasses for the whole of FF3" club.
Would you like to be a charter member?

Man, she looks great in that scene. Yeah, yeah, the Silver Surfer meeting Doom on the lip of a giant chasm of his creation and then blowing him away with the Power Cosmic is O.K. I guess.... but Jessica Alba as a hot scientist, that's FANTASTIC.I'm all for that. I'll jon. Jessica is :o :heart:

[invisibeav]

Just got back from the midnight Spidey showing. I'm so glad that my first exposure to the trailer is on the big screen. I really enjoyed what we've been shown. To me, it went over a little too quick, but part of the reason might be the fact that I was suppressing my fangirl squeal throughout the whole thing. I thought the action scenes look intense and the SFX a lot more promising than the first film (which I liked).

[Iron Maiden]

I gotta say, it wouldn't have mattered who wrote the dialogue for Doom, as long as JMc is speaking them (regardless of how good you think he looks!) they would just be delivered in that same un-commanding, no-trace-of-a-foreign-accent, "marco polo" voice he had in the first film.
Hear him saying some of his better lines from the first film:
"Marco...polo" (as already mentioned)
"I'm sorry, (forget guy's name),...but I'm not going anywhere."
"This...is gonna be FUN."
Now imagine that voice saying classic Doom dialogue from the comics. It's laughable! Even if they had Julian doing the physical acting for Doom, they shoulda pulled a Darth Vader and had someone like John Rhys Davis do the voice.

I have to disagree... I think it was the dialogue and not the voice that was the problem. I don't think even James Earl Jones could have make much of a "This is going to be FUN." I have to go back to Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lector. He didn't need a deep voice like Jones' to come across as a frighteningly intelligent, sociopathic killer. Having read the book, one thing that has me concerned is that Doom really doesn't have that much dialogue, unless they've kept some stuff out.

[Malus]

So who else caught the trailer at a midnight showing? What kind of response did it get?

Over on the Spidey 3 spoilers board, the fan reviews (of Spidey 3) are shockingly mixed; leaning towards the negative, actually.
And Rotten Tomatoes has it at 64%. Sheesh!

[Carp Man]

Over on the Spidey 3 spoilers board, the fan reviews (of Spidey 3) are shockingly mixed; leaning towards the negative, actually.
And Rotten Tomatoes has it at 64%. Sheesh!


Spidey still swings in Spider-Man 3, but man, does the story dangle.
Our wall-crawling urban warrior doesn’t know which direction to spin.
If he’s not fighting icky alien gunk that turns him funky, he’s wrestling with a grieving goblin, a fanged photog and a real son of a beach. Even with a leisurely running time of 2 hours and 20 minutes, this first blockbuster of summer ’07 has at least two bad guys too many.
And what’s with all the crying? Both heroes and villains shed tears so readily, you almost want to stand up mid-screening and ask director Sam Raimi to stop the projector so everybody can have a group hug. Did someone forget that Spider-Man is supposed to have funny moments, too?
Meanwhile, girlfriend Mary Jane (Kirsten Dunst) has become both bore and trollop. Unable to fully connect with either Spider-Man or his nerdy alter-ego Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire times two), and miffed that her stage musical career is bombing (with good reason), she turns as faithful as a fruit fly.
Not that Peter is much better, since he falls under the spell of blond hussy Gwen (Bryce Dallas Howard), the daughter of the police captain (James Cromwell).
The dew is definitely off the web in this third instalment of the Spider-Man cinema saga, five years after it first wowed weary eyes. Battle fatigue has set in, as so often happens when franchises hit a triple. The writing, credited to Raimi, his brother Ivan and Spider-Man 2 co-scripter Alvin Sargent, seems drained of ideas, relying on recycled subplots from original Marvel Comics episodes.
In the realm of movie thrill makers, Sam Raimi always seemed like the smartest guy in the room. Now he just seems like the guy with the biggest budget - a near-record $250 million (U.S.) There are times when you wonder what he spent the money on.
Yet for all that, Spider-Man remains the best of the comic book movie adaptations. Enough energy and spirit remain to warrant a recommendation, although it’s one larded with reservations. The action scenes still thrill, but there aren’t enough of them.
The hook with this latest instalment is that Spidey turns bad, switching to a jet-black suit that is definitely a sartorial upgrade, even if it messes with his mind.
He’s the victim of alien slime that literally falls out of the sky and which acts like a fashion consultant with a bad attitude. It turns our hero turn into a pimp-strutting and *****-slapping rouser who comes perilously close to a Ron Burgundy parody. When he’s not in his snazzy Spider duds, Parker dons a black suit matched with a shaggy hairdo that makes him look like a member of Spandau Ballet or an Emo kid, depending on your age and perspective.
It takes a full hour for Spidey to turn to the proverbial dark side, and it’s just one of many strands in this very tangled web.
“I’ve come a long way from the boy who was bitten by a spider,” Parker brags to himself. “Now people really like me.”
His therapist may buy that, but who’s zooming who? Support for Spidey in his New York domain remains shaky at best. Especially since Daily Bugle editor J. Jonah Jameson (J.K. Simmons) is still bent on portraying him as a thug in tights, a mission also taken up by photo hotshot Eddie Brock (Topher Grace), who wants a Bugle job badly enough to blow taps for Spidey.
Brock cuts in on the Spidey-snapping turf previously owned by meek Bugle boy Peter Parker, who requires a backbone transplant more than ever. And while Parker is sorting things out at home and at work, all hell is breaking loose in the concrete canyons.
His erstwhile buddy Harry Osborn (James Franco), still his romantic rival for Mary Jane, has gone as nutso as the late Osborn Sr. He’s morphed into a reborn Green Goblin, more dangerous than ever. An early aerial confrontation between the New Goblin (or Goblin Jr., as Bad Spidey mocks) is one of the highlights of Spider-Man 3.
Then there’s small-time con Flint Marko (Thomas Haden Church), who has a big connection to Parker that is revealed in an eyebrow-rolling flashback. On the lam from the cops, he falls into a vat of souped-up sand that turns him into a genuine dirt bag, and a maudlin one at that. He’s now the shape-shifting Sandman, but he’s all busted up over his nasty habit of firing guns at the people he’s robbing.
“I’m not a bad person,” he wails. “I just had bad luck.”
Tell it to the judge, bub. Or maybe wail to Aunt May (Rosemary Harris), who has become a tedious scold. Like a distaff Yoda, she warns about the dangers of giving into feelings of anger and revenge, hard things to suppress when psycho mutants are chasing you.
Ambulance chaser Eddie Brock turns into fanged foe Venom, who is looking to get even with Spider-Man because - get this - he blames the web-slinger for an act of plagiarism that cost him his job.
It’s not exactly the kind of motivation of which gripping drama is made, but Spidey’s other adversaries aren’t much better. Goblin Jr. wants to avenge his dead pa, Sandman wants to prove he’s not bad by killing people and the black alien gunk seems to want a job dressing Goth supermodels.
Nobody expects great acting in movie like this, but the franchise has previously been a cut above its comic origins. The same can’t be said of Spider-Man 3, which manages to make both Maguire and Dunst seem wooden, wimpy and whiny. What snuffed the spark between these two?
The film’s many complications make you nostalgic for the villains of Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2, the original Green Goblin and Doc Octopus, who had much simpler yet grander plans. Whatever happened to wanting to take over the world, or at least New York City?
None of the super creeps here can even muster a truly evil laugh, although Topher gives it a go, God bless him.
But there I go looking for trouble, when all anybody really wants is a nice big hug.


http://www.thestar.com/artsentertainment/article/209884

Note : I have heard basicly the same thing over and over again.

[Kelly]

I've heard that it is the weakest of the 3, BUT I'm going to see it tomorrow, so I'll see for myself. I'm hearing from alot of my kids that went to the midnight showing lastnight that the trailer was SPECTACULAR....so thats good to hear.....and again, as you said.....mixed reviews....but most of the kids were happy to see a 3rd spidey and looking forward to a 4th.

[Kelly]

Spidey still swings in Spider-Man 3, but man, does the story dangle.
Our wall-crawling urban warrior doesn’t know which direction to spin.
If he’s not fighting icky alien gunk that turns him funky, he’s wrestling with a grieving goblin, a fanged photog and a real son of a beach. Even with a leisurely running time of 2 hours and 20 minutes, this first blockbuster of summer ’07 has at least two bad guys too many.
And what’s with all the crying? Both heroes and villains shed tears so readily, you almost want to stand up mid-screening and ask director Sam Raimi to stop the projector so everybody can have a group hug. Did someone forget that Spider-Man is supposed to have funny moments, too?
Meanwhile, girlfriend Mary Jane (Kirsten Dunst) has become both bore and trollop. Unable to fully connect with either Spider-Man or his nerdy alter-ego Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire times two), and miffed that her stage musical career is bombing (with good reason), she turns as faithful as a fruit fly.
Not that Peter is much better, since he falls under the spell of blond hussy Gwen (Bryce Dallas Howard), the daughter of the police captain (James Cromwell).
The dew is definitely off the web in this third instalment of the Spider-Man cinema saga, five years after it first wowed weary eyes. Battle fatigue has set in, as so often happens when franchises hit a triple. The writing, credited to Raimi, his brother Ivan and Spider-Man 2 co-scripter Alvin Sargent, seems drained of ideas, relying on recycled subplots from original Marvel Comics episodes.
In the realm of movie thrill makers, Sam Raimi always seemed like the smartest guy in the room. Now he just seems like the guy with the biggest budget - a near-record $250 million (U.S.) There are times when you wonder what he spent the money on.
Yet for all that, Spider-Man remains the best of the comic book movie adaptations. Enough energy and spirit remain to warrant a recommendation, although it’s one larded with reservations. The action scenes still thrill, but there aren’t enough of them.
The hook with this latest instalment is that Spidey turns bad, switching to a jet-black suit that is definitely a sartorial upgrade, even if it messes with his mind.
He’s the victim of alien slime that literally falls out of the sky and which acts like a fashion consultant with a bad attitude. It turns our hero turn into a pimp-strutting and *****-slapping rouser who comes perilously close to a Ron Burgundy parody. When he’s not in his snazzy Spider duds, Parker dons a black suit matched with a shaggy hairdo that makes him look like a member of Spandau Ballet or an Emo kid, depending on your age and perspective.
It takes a full hour for Spidey to turn to the proverbial dark side, and it’s just one of many strands in this very tangled web.
“I’ve come a long way from the boy who was bitten by a spider,” Parker brags to himself. “Now people really like me.”
His therapist may buy that, but who’s zooming who? Support for Spidey in his New York domain remains shaky at best. Especially since Daily Bugle editor J. Jonah Jameson (J.K. Simmons) is still bent on portraying him as a thug in tights, a mission also taken up by photo hotshot Eddie Brock (Topher Grace), who wants a Bugle job badly enough to blow taps for Spidey.
Brock cuts in on the Spidey-snapping turf previously owned by meek Bugle boy Peter Parker, who requires a backbone transplant more than ever. And while Parker is sorting things out at home and at work, all hell is breaking loose in the concrete canyons.
His erstwhile buddy Harry Osborn (James Franco), still his romantic rival for Mary Jane, has gone as nutso as the late Osborn Sr. He’s morphed into a reborn Green Goblin, more dangerous than ever. An early aerial confrontation between the New Goblin (or Goblin Jr., as Bad Spidey mocks) is one of the highlights of Spider-Man 3.
Then there’s small-time con Flint Marko (Thomas Haden Church), who has a big connection to Parker that is revealed in an eyebrow-rolling flashback. On the lam from the cops, he falls into a vat of souped-up sand that turns him into a genuine dirt bag, and a maudlin one at that. He’s now the shape-shifting Sandman, but he’s all busted up over his nasty habit of firing guns at the people he’s robbing.
“I’m not a bad person,” he wails. “I just had bad luck.”
Tell it to the judge, bub. Or maybe wail to Aunt May (Rosemary Harris), who has become a tedious scold. Like a distaff Yoda, she warns about the dangers of giving into feelings of anger and revenge, hard things to suppress when psycho mutants are chasing you.
Ambulance chaser Eddie Brock turns into fanged foe Venom, who is looking to get even with Spider-Man because - get this - he blames the web-slinger for an act of plagiarism that cost him his job.
It’s not exactly the kind of motivation of which gripping drama is made, but Spidey’s other adversaries aren’t much better. Goblin Jr. wants to avenge his dead pa, Sandman wants to prove he’s not bad by killing people and the black alien gunk seems to want a job dressing Goth supermodels.
Nobody expects great acting in movie like this, but the franchise has previously been a cut above its comic origins. The same can’t be said of Spider-Man 3, which manages to make both Maguire and Dunst seem wooden, wimpy and whiny. What snuffed the spark between these two?
The film’s many complications make you nostalgic for the villains of Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2, the original Green Goblin and Doc Octopus, who had much simpler yet grander plans. Whatever happened to wanting to take over the world, or at least New York City?
None of the super creeps here can even muster a truly evil laugh, although Topher gives it a go, God bless him.
But there I go looking for trouble, when all anybody really wants is a nice big hug.


http://www.thestar.com/artsentertainment/article/209884

Note : I have heard basicly the same thing over and over again.

Can we please keep the reviews of the Spiderman 3 movie, to the Spiderman 3 forums?.....

thank you:yay:

[Kelly]

This is the thread for the Fantastic Four 2 Theatrical Trailer, I know that many have seen the Spiderman 3 and want to get a review out there, but it is more appropriate to give your review in the Spiderman 3 Forum, not this one. Let's keep the discussion to the Trailer please, and keep the long reviews to the Spiderman 3 forum......if you liked or disliked the movie, stating that is no big deal....but keep the discussion to a minimum....



Thanks......


Kel:yay:

[Spider - Man]

I have to disagree... I think it was the dialogue and not the voice that was the problem. I don't think even James Earl Jones could have make much of a "This is going to be FUN." I have to go back to Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lector. He didn't need a deep voice like Jones' to come across as a frighteningly intelligent, sociopathic killer. Having read the book, one thing that has me concerned is that Doom really doesn't have that much dialogue, unless they've kept some stuff out.

The dialogue was definiitely a problem, but not the ONLY problem. I'm saying that even if they DID get a great writer of dialogue in on this thing, Julian STILL doesn't have Doom's voice. Yes, Lecter has a soft, menacing voice (I don't even think Jmac's voice was menacing in the first one) but this is DOOM we're talking about. I don't imagine Doom uttering lines like "At last, I have attained power unlimited and soon that dolt Richards and the rest of those witless fools will bow before me and acknowledge that DOOM is their master!" in a soft, menacing voice. Maybe I'm wrong but I hear it as a booming, arrogant challenge to anyone that would dare think him less than rightful ruler of the world! And I certainly hear it in a foreign accent (and not Australian!).

And speaking of the book, I don't think the character displays very Doom-like behavior in some areas like when he follows the General out of the tent or wherever they were. Maybe I read it wrong but it just hit me like he was acting like the General's little toady, like he was afraid to stay in the place with the FF when the General left. Anyway, I am hoping for a good movie and it seems from what I've already seen that this one will be better than the first. But will it really be the FF movie we've all wanted to see? I just don't know...

[Joe Rockhead]

The dialogue was definiitely a problem, but not the ONLY problem. I'm saying that even if they DID get a great writer of dialogue in on this thing, Julian STILL doesn't have Doom's voice. Yes, Lecter has a soft, menacing voice (I don't even think Jmac's voice was menacing in the first one) but this is DOOM we're talking about. I don't imagine Doom uttering lines like "At last, I have attained power unlimited and soon that dolt Richards and the rest of those witless fools will bow before me and acknowledge that DOOM is their master!" in a soft, menacing voice. Maybe I'm wrong but I hear it as a booming, arrogant challenge to anyone that would dare think him less than rightful ruler of the world! And I certainly hear it in a foreign accent (and not Australian!).


Well that's not necessarily true. Doom's had several incarnations in animation - each with a different voice. The Doom from the comics has no voice - just what we imagine it to be.

I think Julian's voice was fine as Victor, but the moment he put the mask on, they should have altered his voice somehow. Add a little more bass to it, maybe some echo as if he's talking from within a metallic chamber. Give his voice some body.

[Spider - Man]

Well that's not necessarily true. Doom's had several incarnations in animation - each with a different voice. The Doom from the comics has no voice - just what we imagine it to be.

I think Julian's voice was fine as Victor, but the moment he put the mask on, they should have altered his voice somehow. Add a little more bass to it, maybe some echo as if he's talking from within a metallic chamber. Give his voice some body.

Well, you're right of course. Comic Doom has no "voice". I merely use logic to imagine what his voice would sound like to me. He is from an eastern European nation so I would assume he'd speak in an accent that reflected that. Second, he is one of the great minds of the world, he has nearly unlimited wealth, he commands staggering power...AND he wants the world to know it! In my mind, he doesn't try to get this message across in a soft, menacing voice.

Before this turns into a debate for Albafan to move into her new sticky thread, just let me say that you are right. And Iron Maiden. No one knows what a comic character's voice really sounds like. As I said, I just used my own logic to imagine what Doom's voice should sound like for me. And Macmahon's voice comes nowhere near what I imagine it to be. Of course, using the same kind of logic, if Peter Parker had the ability to shoot organic webs, they'd come outta his butt, so what do I know?!:wow:

[Willie Lumpkin]

The dialogue was definiitely a problem, but not the ONLY problem. I'm saying that even if they DID get a great writer of dialogue in on this thing, Julian STILL doesn't have Doom's voice. Yes, Lecter has a soft, menacing voice (I don't even think Jmac's voice was menacing in the first one) but this is DOOM we're talking about. I don't imagine Doom uttering lines like "At last, I have attained power unlimited and soon that dolt Richards and the rest of those witless fools will bow before me and acknowledge that DOOM is their master!" in a soft, menacing voice. Maybe I'm wrong but I hear it as a booming, arrogant challenge to anyone that would dare think him less than rightful ruler of the world! And I certainly hear it in a foreign accent (and not Australian!).

And speaking of the book, I don't think the character displays very Doom-like behavior in some areas like when he follows the General out of the tent or wherever they were. Maybe I read it wrong but it just hit me like he was acting like the General's little toady, like he was afraid to stay in the place with the FF when the General left. Anyway, I am hoping for a good movie and it seems from what I've already seen that this one will be better than the first. But will it really be the FF movie we've all wanted to see? I just don't know...


That particular moment didn't bother me. I just figured the conversation was over. No reason for him to hang around.

. . . but I did have a problem with the generally sarcastic (rather than pompous) tone of many of his lines.

[Kelly]

And speaking of the book, I don't think the character displays very Doom-like behavior in some areas like when he follows the General out of the tent or wherever they were. Maybe I read it wrong but it just hit me like he was acting like the General's little toady, like he was afraid to stay in the place with the FF when the General left. Anyway, I am hoping for a good movie and it seems from what I've already seen that this one will be better than the first. But will it really be the FF movie we've all wanted to see? I just don't know...

I didn't read it that way AT ALL.....I saw that portion of the novel as Doom seeing his chance to get the Surfer's power now that the FF were pretty much out of the picture for the moment....he was simply finishing what he truly went there to do.....and good god what he does to the general after that.......nothing little toady after that......AT ALL!

[Spider - Man]

I didn't read it that way AT ALL.....I saw that portion of the novel as Doom seeing his chance to get the Surfer's power now that the FF were pretty much out of the picture for the moment....he was simply finishing what he truly went there to do.....and good god what he does to the general after that.......nothing little toady after that......AT ALL!

Well, as I said, I may have read it wrong. It just didn't strike me as Doom to play the "underling" to anyone, even to get what he wants. But as I stated about his voice, that may also be me placing my own expectations of his behavior onto him.

[Fanticon]

I was surprised...I've seen the trailer a bunch of times already, and told all my friends that we were definitely gonna see it shown at midnite with SM3. It did and they loved it! However...my packed midnite crowd...dead silence and a few 'pffts'...they did cheer for HarryPotter and Shrek3rd. Usually when a marvel sign shows up on a trailer...before knowing what it is...the crowd shuts up or cheers...but this time...I seriously felt like there was no love for the FF2 trailer...which struck me as odd.

[Bastila]

I saw the trailer with Spidey 3 was like wow, supriesed they had this one yet.

[TheShadowCat]

Ok, just got back from seeing Spiderman 3 (it's not as bad as some people make it out to be, a lot better than Ghost Rider) and I've got to say seeing the F4: RotSS trailer on the big screen was drool worthy. The guy sitting next to me said that it looked like fun.

I still think Doug is getting a raw deal, but I'll probably see it after it comes out, but not for full price. Fox doesn't deserve that much of my money after what they've done.

>^^<

[Inhuman63]

The trailer looked really good on the big screen. Had a chance to see a tv spot and the trailer in the theater. I think the film is really going to be something special.

[TheShadowCat]

The trailer looked really good on the big screen. Had a chance to see a tv spot and the trailer in the theater. I think the film is really going to be something special.
They had something that looked like it was a combination of the trailer and one of the TV ads on before the trailers came on. It was a little weird, but when I started seeing shots from the tv spots, I knew we hadn't seen the actually trailer yet. Which was good since the house lights were still up and people were talking all around us. It's late and I'm starting to ramble. Say goodnight, Gracie.

>^^<

[Inhuman63]

They had something that looked like it was a combination of the trailer and one of the TV ads on before the trailers came on.

>^^<
That's the one I'm talking about. It was during a First Look segment that was showing some stuff from TNT and a Peguin movie and a new Adam Sandler movie. It was surprising to see it stuck in there and I was unsure if this was what was attached to the movie or if we were gonna get the whole trailer. I am glad that the whole trailer was attached to the movie I was in. My only qualm is that it was the very first trailer as I would have preferred it being the last one just before Spidey came on.

[The Ones]

I got a slightly new trailer with my showing of Spidey 3. You may have heard this but When the choir hits start before the "We have to destroy this thing" We usualy see a shot of the 4 in a forrest, instead there was a shot of a helicopter over a massive crater in the ice (the one Doom is at the edge of, only no one there). And when we see the birds eye shot of Surfer twsiting and looking down at his crater by the London Eye, we see the shot of the 4 in the woods. And the shot of the Surfer phasing through the board is extended at the beginging slightly. We see him put his legs back and together before he fades. These changes surprised me. Only minor but new.

[Kelly]

FYI, the movie is up 277% on the moviemeter on IMDB. Not bad.....

[psylockolussus]

I like the trailer, the actions are really good but the story seems ordinary

[Artistsean]

Based on what I saw in the trailer here is some things I think will happen in the movie:

Put in spoilers because it could be possible and I don't want to be the one to spoil things.
There was a photo of Dr. Doom from the sequal without his metal skin. I noticed in the trailer that Surfer blasts a hooded figure. And it is said that Surfer can change peoples powers and other things like that (power cosmic).
So here is what I think.
Surfer turns Dr. Doom from a metal skinned power having guy into a normal human. And because he doesn't want to be normal Dr. Doom puts on a suit of armor and becomes the Dr. Doom from the comics.

If this has already been posted then thats OK, and if everyone has already figured it out thats OK too.

[Tony Stark]

Based on what I saw in the trailer here is some things I think will happen in the movie:

Put in spoilers because it could be possible and I don't want to be the one to spoil things.
There was a photo of Dr. Doom from the sequal without his metal skin. I noticed in the trailer that Surfer blasts a hooded figure. And it is said that Surfer can change peoples powers and other things like that (power cosmic).
So here is what I think.
Surfer turns Dr. Doom from a metal skinned power having guy into a normal human. And because he doesn't want to be normal Dr. Doom puts on a suit of armor and becomes the Dr. Doom from the comics.

If this has already been posted then thats OK, and if everyone has already figured it out thats OK too.

That sounds very possible. I'd much rather see that, than a bunch of Doom bots.

[StylishHokie21]

The trailer was alright. It didn't really do much for me. I will say it looks better than the first movie.

[LadyVader]

The trailer was not revolutionary or anything, but it made me anxious about the movie.
And then I saw Spiderman 3.

And I got REALLY anxious to see the movie and hopefully have some fun instead of scratching my head all the time going WTF!?

[GoblinScrier]

That sounds very possible. I'd much rather see that, than a bunch of Doom bots.

Blasphemy!!! :) LOL...how could you not want to see an army of Doombots at Doom's command attacking the F4? They are a HUGE part of Doom's history....

[Iron Maiden]

True enough but I will be happy if they just show a robotic army, like the killer army he was building back in the last of the Lee/Kirby Doom arcs. Even if you destroyed it, the pieces would act independantly.

[Tony Stark]

Blasphemy!!! :) LOL...how could you not want to see an army of Doombots at Doom's command attacking the F4? They are a HUGE part of Doom's history....

I meant it in the context of, I don't want normal skinned Victor to be a Doom Bot. The explanation given above is much more plausable.

If there are Doom bots, they should be sort of a military remote weapon.

I just don't want this to be I Robot.

[Mercurius]

I like the trailer, the actions are really good but the story seems ordinary

I can't phrase it better. Spot on.:ninja:

[Kelly]

So what story have ya'll come up with from the trailer? Because the story from the novelization is quite good...IMO.

[Jinnobi]

Trailer actually spiked my interest in the movie, but please don't let it be as bad as the 1st one.

[movies4life]

That looked very cool. On june 15th is my birthday so it will be double the fun than what it would have been.

All thanks to Fantastic four 2.

[Mercurius]

So what story have ya'll come up with from the trailer? Because the story from the novelization is quite good...IMO.

Even with the cloud (poor Galactus) and the corny switch of powers and the Thing as a minor sidekick? I'm afraid the only good part, if they can get it right, will be the Surfer connection to Invisible Woman.

And: from the trailer I got the impression that at least one of Doom's outfits will be Palpatine-like. That's too messed up, IMO. :huh:

[Kelly]

Even with the cloud (poor Galactus) and the corny switch of powers and the Thing as a minor sidekick? I'm afraid the only good part, if they can get it right, will be the Surfer connection to Invisible Woman.

And: from the trailer I got the impression that at least one of Doom's outfits will be Palpatine-like. That's too messed up, IMO. :huh:


Well you certainly have a right to your opinion....but I think the main stream audience will eat up the "switching power" thing, and in the whole scheme of things, its pretty cool IMO, as far as the novel goes...if they can get that to screen, it should be pretty cool....

As far as the cloud, again, who from Fox has confirmed a cloud? Thats one thing you can't take from the novel, because Galactus was finalized yet....:yay:

I couldn't tell anything about Doom from the trailer, didn't really see him. But I do know he does some pretty grusome stuff, and may just be a viable villain this time around.

As far as the Sue/Surfer thing....lmao, you like the one thing that most fans were upset about since they are pulling very far away from the comics with this part.....:word:

So we will have to agree to disagree....:cwink:

But hey, I'm not saying the movie will rock either.......I'll wait until 12:01 a.m. June 15th, watch the movie, and let ya know later that day.....

[Retroman]

I must say that this trailer rocked and in the spirit of comparison, let's see how the visuals have improved over the course of a few months.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/MusicalPhantom/silversurfer.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/MusicalPhantom/silversurfer2.jpg

I must say while the teaser had near perfect SFX, the final trailer has definiately improved on all aspects. I'm glad SS doesn't have those hollow eyes and white pupils. Plus the texture seems alot smoother and glistens more with reflection. thank god Weta is doing the visuals.
Nice observation Dark Phantom. :up:
My favorite parts of the trailer!

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7453/ffpu7.jpg
LMAO:woot:

Just based on what i've seen in the trailer the FF's molecules becoming unstable because of their encounter with the SS is a good idea.Some cool visuals (Torch with Reed's powers) and a chance for the actors to have a little fun (Johnny and Ben)

One of the other things i like is that this shows us that the 4 won't be stuck in New York. There will be lots of globetrotting which often happens in the comics (even to other planets and galaxies) - London, Egypt, China, Washington, Thailand, Hong Kong (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070109/NEWS13/701090329/1007) and i'm sure other countries will feat. in FF2.

I also love how Doom is teased. Hopefully they won't show too much of him or the rest of the movie from here on.:doom::up:

[Retroman]

In this screencap (courtesy of swifty) theres a shot of Sue using her powers. I'm wondering if this is just unfinished effects or have they changed the look of her forcefields?

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6924/screenshot016nf6nq3.jpg

[MoPlaYa]

June 15th is my grandma`s birthday and she liked the first movie...So im going to take her to see it

[ssj wolverine]

I gotta say the trailer looks better than the entire Spiderman 3 movie period.

[ant3ros]

I'm glad they showed more of Sue and her powers since she's the most powerful member of FF.

[Storm22]

In this screencap (courtesy of swifty) theres a shot of Sue using her powers. I'm wondering if this is just unfinished effects or have they changed the look of her forcefields?

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6924/screenshot016nf6nq3.jpg

I was wondering the same thing. I'd say it's unfinished fx. The bit where she stops the helicopter doesn't have her forcefield fx either.