Official Spider-Man 4 Cast & Crew Discussion

[Odametal]

Lets think of the worse.
Neither Tobey, Kirsten and Raimi sign for a sequel after Spidey 3.
Who should play Pete, MJ and who should direct the flick?

Please ideas, people, cause right now, I can't think of anyone...

[CTFFFan]

first is it just conjecture that Tobey, Kirstenand Raimi are leaving or have they stated so?

[ledfloyd92]

Raimi has already said that he'll be making a Spider-Man 4.

[Odametal]

When Raimi said he'll be making S-M 4?
I made this thread so we can store some hope.
I think that Tobey Maguire IS Peter Parker, that Kirsten IS MJ and the director should be Sam, but Tobey already stated that he'll only comeback to a 4th movie if theres a good story to be told( translating: MO MONEY); Kirsten said in a lot places that this would problably be her last Spidey flick.
If this actually happens, who should replace them?
If a 4th movie comes out and we don't have the factors the made this movies kick ass, who would be the perfect replacements, so we can still go see a Spidey movie with the thrill that is driving everyone to see the 3rd one.

[fabman]

i'd say if raimi & co. leave after the third movie make a 4th one only after 5-6 years...

[pjspider1C]

If Raimi, Tobey, and Kirsten leave and we have to replace the Director, Peter Parker, and Mary Jane... here's what I'd like to see...

Director: Steven Soderburgh.
Peter Parker: I'd prefer an unknown.
Mary Jane: If they're bringing in Gwen Stacy & Kirsten Dunst is leaving, I'd say stick with Gwen Stacy.

[PeterFan87]

I honestly don't even want to think of replacing the original cast.

I'll be heartbroken..
Oh well.. if it happens, it happens. The movies wont be the same.

[Dangerous]

Lets think of the worse.
Neither Tobey, Kirsten and Raimi sign for a sequel after Spidey 3.
Who should play Pete, MJ and who should direct the flick?

Please ideas, people, cause right now, I can't think of anyone...

Worse for you, but for me, well that is what I am hoping for.
Since that's what they have all said in the past- No more after 3.

I want a director that stays true to the source material, and insists that the characters costumes are not altered.
A Mary Jane that is actually amazingly hot like she is suppossed to be,
and finally a Peter Parker that is not wuss like Tobey Maguire.

[Dangerous]

i'd say if raimi & co. leave after the third movie make a 4th one only after 5-6 years...

That won't happen.
SM3 will make loads of money again and then the studio will be hitting them up to make SM4.
If Raimi and co say no (fingers crossed) then a new team/cast will be assembled.

They won wait till no one wants to see a Spidey film anymore.

[Odametal]

If Tobey,Kirsten and Sam say "no" to a sequel, these are the names that I believe would be good:



Director:David Fincher(the guys made Se7en, not a spidey kind a movie, but he's awesome)

Peter:I want someone that nobody knows

MJ:rachel MacAddams; or if they going for a younger girl, Evan Rachel Wood(she is pretty and she can look really hot).

[DACrowe]

Well first I think Maguire proved unknowns doesn't always have to be the case, same with Bale (even if both Reeve and Jackman were).

Anyway, Fincher interestingly enough was the other director who almost got the job to direct the first Spider-Man movie. Apparently, he wanted to skip the origin and have a five minute flashback about it and make it so Peter was in college (his favorite run, and most fans' too in the comics) and he wanted it to end apparently (as rumored) with the Death of Gwen Stacy.

Raimi pitched an origin movie and again showed his love for the era, but more from his films I'd say the Lee/Ditko than Lee or Conway/Romita era. Albeit, it seems Gwen and MJ were both supposed to be in SM2 and a set-up for the story we all know, but Arad convinced Sam that MJ has been in the comics for 20 years as his wife and Gwen has been dead for 30, so no one knows any better.

That is just the bits we've heard about the early pre-production stages. Ironically Sam was finally allowed to bring Gwen in....well too far into Pete and MJ's relationship IMO and well past what makes her character so memorable (a drop off of a bridge).

Oh well.

[DACrowe]

BTW I too hope this is the last Raimi et co. film because, quite frankly I dunno if they'll top 3 as they're all about character depth/development and upping the ante in action. Both of which seem hard to raise after 3. So whether 4 lives up or not it can be seen as a strong GOOD Spidey trilogy there. Something no other superhero franchise has yet.

[FaT_tONle]

If Tobey,Kirsten and Sam say "no" to a sequel, these are the names that I believe would be good:



Director:David Fincher(the guys made Se7en, not a spidey kind a movie, but he's awesome)

Peter:I want someone that nobody knows

MJ:rachel MacAddams; or if they going for a younger girl, Evan Rachel Wood(she is pretty and she can look really hot).

Nice pick...

[Odametal]

Thank you.

[Odametal]

I believe that they can make till a 5th movie, then would probably start to suck.
In a 4th they can make a whole Venom movie(if he's not kill on the 3rd one).
In a 5th to really finish the Osbourn arc, they can make a movie that has another villain fighting Spidey till the ende, we realized that he(or she) was working for the Green Goblin, bringing Norman back to be arrested.

[Spider-Fan83]

MJ:rachel MacAddams; or if they going for a younger girl, Evan Rachel Wood(she is pretty and she can look really hot).
Nice pick...
she actually might make a good (young) Felicia, too, if they want to bring her in, just to change up the love interest (and would lead in to a future Appearance of blackcat)
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2568/17mr1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://www.thehairstyler.com/images/celebrity/Celebrity_539.jpg

[kansas boy]

James Cameron for director
Neil Patrick Harris for Peter Parker
Rachel McAdams for MJ

Honestly, I don't know who should play MJ.

[Odametal]

James Cameron for director
Neil Patrick Harris for Peter Parker
Rachel McAdams for MJ

Honestly, I don't know who should play MJ.

When you say that, you're kidding, right?:huh:

[kansas boy]

ok, well he did voice Peter. Doesn't mean he has to play him. I was throwing names out there.

Jake G should play him.

[Odametal]

Jake would be a good spidey. But when I look at him I see Spdeed Racer more than Spider-Man.

[Spider-Fan83]

how about, Elijah Wood (Frodo himself) or Daniel Radcliffe for a younger parker (he's going to need to do something after the harry potter, how much longer can he do that, really) LOL

no, but, I still kinda like Scott Mechlowicz (he's a bit too tall, though)
same with Colin Hanks (it'd be cool, but he is around 6'1ish)

so, i don't know

just get some random unknown, I guess

[thewhitequeen]

I think after the thirds they should stop making spiderman movies in the same pregressive timeline. Maybe in like seven years it'll be time to make a new Spiderman movie with all new people and stuff, but not a fourth one now.

[Odametal]

^- that might work.
And then maybe they would not make the same mistake that Sam made by not showing Peter Parker/Spider-Man in high school. A teen Spider-man would kick ass.

[thewhitequeen]

^- that might work.
And then maybe they would not make the same mistake that Sam made by not showing Peter Parker/Spider-Man in high school. A teen Spider-man would kick ass.

Highschool spidey would be sweet

[Odametal]

In a sequel they could put Electro, Rhino,Venom, if they don't killed him off in S-M3.
But then, Joker die on Batman(89) and is coming back on the Dark Knight.
So if they make a highshool Peter on a new movie they could bring the character back, cause let's face it: if Venom dies on S-M3, there'll be a lot of fans angry if Sony.

[thewhitequeen]

In a sequel they could put Electro, Rhino,Venom, if they don't killed him off in S-M3.
But then, Joker die on Batman(89) and is coming back on the Dark Knight.
So if they make a highshool Peter on a new movie they could bring the character back, cause let's face it: if Venom dies on S-M3, there'll be a lot of fans angry if Sony.

I feel like Venom and all of his lineage is just waaaay too complicated for a movie. Like trying to put the Phoenix in X-men 2. For people who haven't actively been reading these characters, or in many cases studying these characters, concept/characters like Venom or the Phoenix just can't be acurately portrayed.

[Odametal]

Venom could work if they had a good director and a good actor to play it.
I hope Sam and Topher did it well on Spider-man 3.

[thewhitequeen]

Venom could work if they had a good director and a good actor to play it.
I hope Sam and Topher did it well on Spider-man 3.

Oh topher....

[Odametal]

You don't like Topher?

[Dangerous]

But then, Joker die on Batman(89) and is coming back on the Dark Knight.

This is because the original Batman series of films has nothing to do w/ Batman Begins. BB was a reboot.

[Odametal]

True.

[roony]

How about...Justin Long for Spidey? You know him, the Mac Guy!

Or...B.J. Novak, of the Office? Or John Krasinski, again of the Office?

Zach Braff? He can do tortured loser GREAT.

[DorkyFresh]

i think Justin Long would've been a good Spider-Man...he definitely has Peter's sarcasm, though i'm not sure if he can handle the more serious scenes. but i think he could work if they still plan on going with a mid-20's to early 30's Peter Parker.

[Odametal]

^that would be a interesting choise, maybe could work

[neobido9999]

Saw Spiderman three today and -as a big fan of 2 -was very disappointed. Considering the current spiderman team (as i said on another thread) seems to have run it's course, who would you like to see as

Director
Peter Parker
MJ

in the new trilogy (obviously assuming they're replaced)

I'd go for:

Director Alfonso Cuaron (dream choice but hey)

[SuperSpideyGirl]

Personally I want Sam, Tobey, and Kirsten(I thought her acting in the third was so much better in the 3rd compared to the other two plus it would be too weird seeing a different MJ with Tobey's Peter). I think they could do one more movie with the Lizard and a minor villian and have the Peter/MJ wedding. I just can't picture a continuation of where Peter is in his life with other cast members/ a different direction

After that I'd want Sony to wait a good amount of time and then restart the franchise with relatively unknown director and actor.

[madchild]

restart the franchise? they will turn this into the next James Bond (new acter every couple of movies) which isn't a band thing

they just cant keep killing the villains at the end of the movies

spiderman3 was balls

[UltimateJustin]

I think if they are going to replace someone as major as Parker or MJ, then they should replace everyone all at once, except the Bugle staff. Make it like as if it were a new artist taking over. I wouldnt mind if Raimi and everyone did another (amazing how one good but not great movie, especially one where his hands were tied, makes fans completely change their opinion of a director) but if not, it might be good to shake things up with a mostly all-new cast. You just have to be smart and classy about it, dont Batman out of control with thoughtless choices.

Give it to rock's boy genius, Shia.

[Kevin Roegele]

There are so many great directors who could create wonderful Spidey movies.

Alfonso Cuaron as neobodi noted.
Kurt Wimmer.
Robert Zemekis.
The master, James Cameron.

[Eddie Brock]

Director: Sam Raimi
Peter: Tobey Maguire
MJ: Take a wild guess....Mary Elizabeth Winstead (Gotcha!)

[NinjaCarm]

It's really time for James Cameron to direct a Spider-Man trilogy. 'Nuff Said.

[NinjaCarm]

It's really time for James Cameron to direct a Spider-Man trilogy. 'Nuff Said.

[Dr. Bromwell]

The current cast has run its course. I'm ready for a change...and maybe even a new director...although Raimi's passion for Spidey is going to be tough to replace.

Director - Steven Soderbergh
PP - Jake Gyllenhall
MJ - not in the movie (off to Hollywood)
Betty - same
Gwen - same
Ned Leeds - Adam Brody
Dr. Connors - David Straithairn

[Superhero 101]

Director-Sam Rami
Peter Parker/Spiderman-Jake Gylenhall
Mary Jane Watson-Mandy Moore
Dr. Connors/The Lizard-Dylan Baker
Cletus Kasady/Carnage-Ryan Reynolds or Johnny Knoxville
Aunt May-Rosemary Harris
Betty Brant-Same
Gwen Stacy-Same
DailyBugle Staff-Same

Writers-Alfred Gough Miles Millar

[UltimateJustin]

Director: M. Night Superman

Peter Parker: Shia

MJ: Some Girl

[kpjoon]

How about...

Director: Sam Raimi
Peter Parker: Tobey Maguire
Mary Jane Watson: Kirsten Dunst


sound good? good.

[Mr. Socko]

I definitely want a new director and main cast.

[XXTBWCXX]

Well, after hearing that they wanna make sequels after sequels, after a fourth one is made, that's it for me, just because after a fourth movie, they will run out of good, rich stories.

[Spider-Fan]

I want one more with the old cast, then a reboot. I have loved the three movies they have done, and after the 4th I think they will be hard pressed to shell out good new continuing sequels.

Spider-Man 4 - last of these movies.

Then in a few years

The Amazing Spider-Man - the reboot.

[SuperSpideyGirl]

I want one more with the old cast, then a reboot. I have loved the three movies they have done, and after the 4th I think they will be hard pressed to shell out good new continuing sequels.

Spider-Man 4 - last of these movies.

Then in a few years

The Amazing Spider-Man - the reboot.

In my post in this thread I said restart but reboot is a better word. I really do think they can come up with one more good movie with the current cast/director.

[GL1]

Director: Sam Raimi
Peter: Tobey McGuire
MJ: Kirsten Dunst

3 more great movies, please.

[Spider-Fan]

SuperSpideyGirl,

Great minds think a like :)

[Justice Bringer]

A reboot would be a waste and confusing to audiences. The first 2 films were solid.

I'd say Spider-man 4 should continue the story from the first trilogy with a darker, more real-world directing style as opposed to Raimi's often bright, campy look.

I'd set the film 5 years following the events of Spider-man III with Jake Gylenhaal playing a more mature Peter Parker (closer to the cartoon version) and Mandy Moore as MJ.

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/4741/jakegyllenhaal01kr5.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/chasing_liberty/mandy_moore/libertypre19.jpg

[kansas boy]

I definitely want a new director and main cast.

Just remember one thing, be careful what you wish for, it could be the best thing in the world or the worst thing next to Spider-man 3 and end the series for awhile.

Just keep that in mind.

[blind_fury]

1) David Fincher or Alfonso Cuaron

2) cast Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Peter Parker/Spider-man

Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Mary Jane Watson

and Maggie Smith (Hook, Harry Potter) as Aunt May

3) then bring in talented writers who "get it".

4) break box office records and get international praise from critics/fans

[DorkyFresh]

A reboot would be a waste and confusing to audiences. The first 2 films were solid.

I'd say Spider-man 4 should continue the story from the first trilogy with a darker, more real-world directing style as opposed to Raimi's often bright, campy look.

I'd set the film 5 years following the events of Spider-man III with Jake Gylenhaal playing a more mature Peter Parker (closer to the cartoon version) and Mandy Moore as MJ.

i likes...i wouldn't want Spidey's world to be TOO dark though. Spidey isn't Batman. something along the lines of Hellboy would be perfect.

[Visionary]

Okay, now that I've got your attention. There's a massive underground petition going on to get him to direct SM4. This isn't a normal petition, the only way it's going to work is through Word-Of-Mouth and feeding that huge ass Texas size ego that he has. Damn his ego, that man is just a master at these types of films, perhaps he is the new blood you seek. All you have to do is start a thread in any entertainment/comic book/movie forum, and let our words find this man's ego. If you don't want James Cameron to direct SM4, just ignore this thread and move on with your lives.

Cameron is a dream director for SM4, that most people think that can never be. I believe in the impossible...but we must move swiftly....shhh...someone's coming.

*whispers*

Now, let me see some LINKS from you, you masters of destiny.

[OcStat]

i love terminator as much as the next guy, maybe even more so. but i wouldnt want him directing spider-man...

[Visionary]

...
If you don't want James Cameron to direct SM4, just ignore this thread and move on with your lives.

[superkong 500]

I would love cameron to direct Spidey 4 but I don't think that's a possiblity his doing avatar and has huge plans for a battle angel trilogy afterwards I think that he has left spiderman behind for a longtime, he was attached once but that time has passed.

[TheVileOne]

Okay, now that I've got your attention. There's a massive underground petition going on to get him to direct SM4. This isn't a normal petition, the only way it's going to work is through Word-Of-Mouth and feeding that huge ass Texas size ego that he has. Damn his ego, that man is just a master at these types of films, perhaps he is the new blood you seek. All you have to do is start a thread in any entertainment/comic book/movie forum, and let our words find this man's ego. If you don't want James Cameron to direct SM4, just ignore this thread and move on with your lives.

Cameron is a dream director for SM4, that most people think that can never be. I believe in the impossible...but we must move swiftly....shhh...someone's coming.

*whispers*

Now, let me see some LINKS from you, you masters of destiny.
Whenever there is a big dream movie project for fanboys going around, James Cameron is ALWAYS #1 on the list. A guy who hasn't even done a real movie in about 10 years.

[pjspider1C]

I remember when James Cameron was rumored to direct way before any casting or any official announcements were made about the first Spider-Man movie... I recall a script treatment that he was attached to that had Spider-Man bang MJ on the side of the building... yeah, I'm pretty sure I don't want this guy directing a Spider-Man movie...

[Elisha Cuthbert]

David Fincher would be a better choice than Cameron.

[Visionary]

Whenever there is a big dream movie project for fanboys going around, James Cameron is ALWAYS #1 on the list. A guy who hasn't even done a real movie in about 10 years.
And still, in this genre, he's 20 times better than most directors in Hollywood--that's probably why he's always mentioned. What, you actually think he forgot how to make movies because of 10 measly years, tis' like riding a bike my friend? You'll see when Avatar comes out...he's gonna be riding that bike like a mofo. :dry:

I do have a few other directors in mind for SM4, but this guy is tops. I'm curious, do you have any directors you'd like to see direct SM4, or just Sam Raimi?

[pjspider1C]

^ Other than Sam Raimi, I think Steven Soderburgh would be an interesting choice for director. His movies are always smart and he knows how to handle a lot of characters (Ocean's Eleven & Twelve). I don't know how much work he's done with a straight out action movie, but I'm confident he could handle it.

[L0ngsh0t]

Sam Raimi is the director untill he turns it down

[Spidey]

Sam Raimi is the director untill he turns it down

Shoot, by my calculations, the way he handled this third installment practically said "I'll die by slow asphyxiation before I direct another Spider-Man film." My two cents.

[Visionary]

Sam Raimi is the director untill he turns it downYou mean until Sony hires him back, that's why he's on a one picture deal contract.

[Kevin Roegele]

I remember when James Cameron was rumored to direct way before any casting or any official announcements were made about the first Spider-Man movie... I recall a script treatment that he was attached to that had Spider-Man bang MJ on the side of the building... yeah, I'm pretty sure I don't want this guy directing a Spider-Man movie...

It wasn't rumours, it was fact. Cameron spend years trying to make a Spidey movie (and also an X-Men movie in the early 90's). Stan Lee said that Cameron was the best choice and it would be a shame if anyone else made the movie.

[pjspider1C]

^ And what does Stan Lee think about Sam Raimi?

[Visionary]

He's probably fond of him, but I think he wanted Cameron a hell of a lot more.

[TimDrake64x]

cameron would be ok, but that mj thing on the side of a building kinda scares me

i think that robert zemeckis would be a great choice. hes a guy who knows how to use the special effects (the back to the futures) and he can do great character development (forest gump). this guy is a very underated director and i think he would be a fantastic choice for sm4

[TimDrake64x]

how about this
director: Robert Zemeckis
parker: jake gylenhaal or unknown
mj: small part of her leaving, not in the movie but for 1 scene

[Spelunking Man]

Raimi has done an excellent job on the franchise, it would be stupid for the studio execs not to hire him for future installments.

[Justice Bringer]

i likes...i wouldn't want Spidey's world to be TOO dark though. Spidey isn't Batman. something along the lines of Hellboy would be perfect.

Yes of course. But darker in a more edgier way.

The movie would be more 'sarcastic-funny' than 'slapstick'

Gylenhaal's Parker is older, more physically imposing but has a whitty sarcastic sense of humor.

The 5 year gap would be good for some interesting stuff. Especially MJ and Peter trying to re-establish their relationship after being apart for a while, while Peter over the years has also developed feelings for Gwen or Felicia.

[Justice Bringer]

how about this
director: Robert Zemeckis
parker: jake gylenhaal or unknown
mj: small part of her leaving, not in the movie but for 1 scene

MJ needs to always have a major role in Peter's life.

I doubt theyll cast an unknown after all the major big-name Marvel casting recently, Sony would be smart to go with Jake G.

[Visionary]

cameron would be ok, but that mj thing on the side of a building kinda scares me

i think that robert zemeckis would be a great choice. hes a guy who knows how to use the special effects (the back to the futures) and he can do great character development (forest gump). this guy is a very underated director and i think he would be a fantastic choice for sm4Another good choice for a new director.

[Visionary]

Raimi has done an excellent job on the franchise, it would be stupid for the studio execs not to hire him for future installments.It really depends on how well SM3 does. If it makes more than SM2 or even better SM1 at the end of its run, Raimi will be hired back in no time. If he's interested. I'm hoping that he at least serves as a producer if there is another director.

[Eddie Brock]

No way!

Spider-Man should NEVER be dark! Even with the symbiote, Raimi STILL didn't make it dark! I'll get my "dark fix" on Batman...leave Spidey the way he is.

[Eddie Brock]

The same Cameron who wanted to make web-shooting a metaphor for masturbation? The one who wanted Arnold as Doc Ock?

:o No thanks, I'll stay with Raimi.

[Visionary]

Oh, come on, that would have been in the first film. This would be the 4th film, and would force any other director, to come even closer to the comics to outdo anything that Raimi has done.

And Arnorld is practically a crippled old man, so don't worry about that. ;)

[Eddie Brock]

I mean, yeah, it was a funny idea...funny enough for me to make this:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u118/EBJ05/ArnoldOck.jpg

But then I realized that he was serious. :dry:

[Venomfan]

i thought everyone here hated James Camerons spidey ideas?

[Eddie Brock]

i thought everyone here hated James Camerons spidey ideas?
Apparently not...and it scares me.

[Brendan]

Alfonso Cuarón would be cool for a director. Or Darren Aronofksy.

[Visionary]

That was a long time ago people, no matter what any director does, someone is going to hate it.

[Venomfan]

peter jackson, dude is the man

[Venomfan]

That was a long time ago people, no matter what any director does, someone is going to hate it.
but didnt everyone hate it?

anyway i guess it doesnt mean he cant change

[Visionary]

Peter Jackson, another great choice.

[Visionary]

but didnt everyone hate it?

anyway i guess it doesnt mean he cant change
That scriptment was what, 15 years ago or more, come on people.

He'd have to change, he can't use Doc Ock or Sandman, which means something new. Actually, that goes for every potential director.

[TimDrake64x]

jackson wouldnt be bad either, but for some reason i cant see him doing it. and of course this is if rami doesnt come back. i believe that rami can do another good sm movie and redeem himself for sm3, im cautious, but i think he can do it

[TimDrake64x]

MJ needs to always have a major role in Peter's life.

I doubt theyll cast an unknown after all the major big-name Marvel casting recently, Sony would be smart to go with Jake G.

i duno, i think that the relationship between mj and jeter has gotten a little boring in the movies, plus with gewn being introduced u know she will die, and for her death to have some meaning (unlike harry's but thats another topic for another thread) her relationship with peter must grow past the flirtatious stage that it is in now

[Superhero 101]

Actually David Fincher and Alfonso Cuaron aren't a bad choice for a Spidey Director

[Superhero 101]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/786/786047p1.html

May 7, 2007 - Saying that he was "really over the moon" about the record-breaking $382 million worldwide debut of Spider-Man 3, Sony Pictures chief executive Michael Lynton is already reportedly mapping out the franchise's future.

"Everybody has every intention of making a fourth, a fifth and a sixth and on and on," Lynton informed the BBC. He sees the series lasting for "as many as we can make good stories for."

"Everybody's been so busy trying to get this one out that that's been the focus," he added. "When everybody comes up for air, we can think about how to make the next one."

That would seem to include cast and crew, although that hasn't stopped the rumor mill from offering up a name about who might succeed Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane Watson. According to CinemaBlend.com, Mandy Moore, Alexis Bledel and Camilla Belle are contenders for the role.

The site adds, "Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Jake Gyllenhall are the front runners as of now [to replace Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker] but word is that a third name might be thrown in the mix as well." They also suggest that a new director may be tapped as well since Raimi would want more control over Spidey 4.



- Universal

Mandy Moore is rumored as the next Mary Jane Watson.
CinemaBlend's scooper claims "those in Sony don't want to give Tobey or the returning cast that kind of money because they want to lock the cast down for the next three films instead of one and they want to do it cheaply, so they are looking at other actors to continue the franchise in a cheaper way and if the movie opens big and makes a boat load of cash, Tobey and the cast has a huge advantage in negotiations."

It's a no-brainer that Sony wants the Spidey gravy train to keep rolling. For example, of the $148 million that Spider-Man 3 earned in its stateside opening, a record-setting $4.8 million of that came from IMAX screenings. The picture also broke the record for IMAX's largest single day worldwide total at $2.2 million and posted a remarkable domestic opening weekend per screen average of $57,147.

[Mr. Socko]

I liked alot of Cameron's ideas, my favorite being Arnold as Doc Ock. Most people hate to think about that but if you look past Freeze, I think he could have done a cool job, however it does crack me up picturing Arnold deliver the "roll of $20 bills" line.


Anyway, I don't think Cameron will do it. It didn't work out before, not sure if he'd come back and try it again.

[Justu]

Director: Sam Raimi
Peter Parker: Tobey Maguire
Mary Jane Watson: Kirsten Dunst

i like and think they make the best cast.

[DorkyFresh]

Yes of course. But darker in a more edgier way.

The movie would be more 'sarcastic-funny' than 'slapstick'

Gylenhaal's Parker is older, more physically imposing but has a whitty sarcastic sense of humor.

The 5 year gap would be good for some interesting stuff. Especially MJ and Peter trying to re-establish their relationship after being apart for a while, while Peter over the years has also developed feelings for Gwen or Felicia.

i like your ideas dude...that'd be so awesome to see. i'd love to see a Spider-Man movie where a musical/dancing/singing scene doesn't work at all...hehe. i don't want Spider-Man to ever be as dark as Batman or Spawn, but these last 3 movies has had it's fair share of camp.

[jaienviedechier]

Let's rush the making of SM4, let's get Mark Steven Johnson as director.

[Alex]

I don't understand why people want a new director and a new cast. Changing directors is one thing, but changing cast members? I think it's ridiculous. I like it the way it is and I like all three films. Sam is a good director and should stay on as long as he wants.

[Alex]

Let's rush the making of SM4, let's get Mark Steven Johnson as director.
Yes, because rushing a film is always the smart thing to do.

[thatoneguy234]

Director: Sam Raimi
Peter: Tobey McGuire
MJ: Kirsten Dunst



How about:

Director: Tobey Maguire
PP: Kirsten Dunst
MJ: Sam Raimi


:oldrazz:

[Alex]

I don't think I'd even watch an Alfonso Cuaron version of Spider-man.

[Deadpool876]

Director-Sam Rami
Peter Parker/Spiderman-Jake Gylenhall
Mary Jane Watson-Mandy Moore
Dr. Connors/The Lizard-Dylan Baker
Cletus Kasady/Carnage-Ryan Reynolds or Johnny Knoxville
Aunt May-Rosemary Harris
Betty Brant-Same
Gwen Stacy-Same
DailyBugle Staff-Same

Writers-Alfred Gough Miles Millar

Hmmm...interesting. I like JK than RR for Carnage. But I'm wondering if Raimi will be interested in directing a different cast. I think a different director would be a good idea, the question is who will that be.

[HerosOnFilm]

SM4 should be a fresh undertaking with a new director and cast. Definitely should not be a reboot, but a continuation of the first three movies. Just because Batman had dubious sucess with different actors (Batman Begins excluded) doesn't mean SM would fail without Raimi or Maguire.

I would choose Milo Ventimiglia as Peter Parker. He looks like PP, and is no stranger to being a "superhero." Plus, he wouldn't command as high a salary as Jake Gyllenhaal would.

Keep the supporting cast, like JK Simmmons, etc, but recast PP and MJ.

[Deadpool876]

A reboot would be a waste and confusing to audiences. The first 2 films were solid.

I'd say Spider-man 4 should continue the story from the first trilogy with a darker, more real-world directing style as opposed to Raimi's often bright, campy look.

I'd set the film 5 years following the events of Spider-man III with Jake Gylenhaal playing a more mature Peter Parker (closer to the cartoon version) and Mandy Moore as MJ.

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/4741/jakegyllenhaal01kr5.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/chasing_liberty/mandy_moore/libertypre19.jpg

Hmmm...Yeah! I think this could work. I can picture them together. I think MM will be a good MJ and this role could give her a career boost so if I was her agent, I'd say ''take the role girl, not only u will be famous but filthy rich as well''. :woot: Really, I believe she's a good bet. As for JG...what the hell, let him be Spidey. :yay:

My real worry now is - WHO'LL BE THE DIRECTOR? :csad: Who will have the passion, talent, work ethic as Sam Raimi? Having an interest in the Spiderman character is a plus.

[Kevin Roegele]

i thought everyone here hated James Camerons spidey ideas?

Obviously not Sam Raimi as the 2002 is based on the Cameron scriptment.

[Catman]

So, Visionary, you're talking about James Cameron, right? The same guy who had Spider-Man having sex with MJ on edge of a building? The same guy who had Spidey have wet dreams and wake up to find out that web came out of his dick? That James Cameron?! You know what...I'm gonna support your cause! :up:

And, while we're on this I also want Tim Burton to direct the next Superman movie!

[Justu]

Sam Raimi did such a good job i would really like him to come back and make the 4th, if not i would like to see peter jackson make it

[Justu]

Director - Sam Raimi or (Peter Jackson)
Peter Parker - Tobey Maguire
MJ - Kristen Dunst

[Visionary]

So, Visionary, you're talking about James Cameron, right? The same guy who had Spider-Man having sex with MJ on edge of a building? The same guy who had Spidey have wet dreams and wake up to find out that web came out of his dick? That James Cameron?! You know what...I'm gonna support your cause! :up:

And, while we're on this I also want Tim Burton to direct the next Superman movie!
That was for the first film and an early draft, why do you all keep bringing that up, that was over 15 years ago? We're far past anything that was in that scriptment. He would start out with Spidey already being Spidey (no wet web dream scene) in a 4th film, lol. :cwink:

[Catman]

That was for the first film and an early draft, why do you all keep bringing that up, that was over 15 years ago? We're far past anything that was in that scriptment. He would start out with Spidey already being Spidey (no wet web dream scene) in a 4th film, lol. :cwink:

And Burton's Superman was 10 yrs ago. He gets it now. If he directs the sequel to Superman Returns it will be a masterpiece!

[olemonica]

My peter = http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6623/jonathanbecohen32178834xj6.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jonathanbecohen32178834xj6.jpg)

[Visionary]

And Burton's Superman was 10 yrs ago. He gets it now. If he directs the sequel to Superman Returns it will be a masterpiece!I'm more worried about Bryan Singer directing SR's sequel. :oldrazz:

[Deadpool876]

Or this:

Director: Sam Raimi or James Cameron or Steven Spielberg [some of u maybe shocked by this but c'mon he's a great director; as far as I know this guy never had a flop. The question is would he be interested in doing a superhero movie]

PP/Spidey: Unknown or rising actor

MJ: Unknown or rising actress

No more big-name actors -- they tend to be egoistic, demanding, & other negative stuff. I'd like fresh blood -- they would give their all if cast 'coz they're waiting for big breaks. I think the old cast is tired and not that interested anymore especially Tobey & Kirsten.

[Brock_7]

Director: Brett Ratner or Michael Bay
Peter Parker: Jake Gylenhaal
MJ: Sarah Wayne Callies :heart:
Gwen Stacy: Bryce Dallas Howard :heart:
Eddie Brock: Topher Grace
Lizard: Dylan Baker
Carnage: Robert Knepper
Aunt May: Rosemary Harris

[Eddie Brock]

Director: Brett Ratner or Michael Bay
Peter Parker: Jake Gylenhaal
MJ: Sarah Wayne Callies :heart:
Gwen Stacy: Bryce Dallas Howard :heart:
Eddie Brock: Topher Grace
Lizard: Dylan Baker
Carnage: Robert Knepper
Aunt May: Rosemary Harris
I thought they were the same person....:huh::cwink:

[Alex]

Hmmm...interesting. I like JK than RR for Carnage. But I'm wondering if Raimi will be interested in directing a different cast. I think a different director would be a good idea, the question is who will that be.
Sam wouldn't and JK isn't a good enough actor to pull it off.

[Maximum Carnage]

first off, Topher grace should have been spiderman. from the beginning.

i like the talk about mandy moore as mary jane. shes super cute; the way mj should be. Kirsten is kinda blah elisha cuthbert would be good too.

[Alex]

first off, Topher grace should have been spiderman. from the beginning.

i like the talk about mandy moore as mary jane. shes super cute; the way mj should be. Kirsten is kinda blah elisha cuthbert would be good too.


Why did you make your font bigger?

Topher Grace is a good actor, but Tobey was the right man for the job. Topher did a good job as Venom and hopefully will be able to reprise his role for future films. However, I highly doubt that.

I don't like Kirsten as Mary Jane either, but in the third she did a much better job than the previous two. If they were to change her character now, it just wouldn't feel right. Love it ro hate it, they should keep the cast intact if they can.

Edit: Ugh, you edited. Elish Cuthbert as Mary Jane? Uhh...

[SuperSpideyGirl]

Jake G. would have been a good choice a few years ago but I think now he is too big of a name. I'd rather have an actor on the rise or an unknown not someone who is already mainstream established.

Milo is going to turn 30 in 2 months so I think he is a little too old to start playing Peter Parker. If there is going to be a new PP I want him to be in atleast 2 movies so Milo's age plays a factor.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt is a good actor, but doesn't remind me of PP at all. Plus, I read a few interview with him and he just seems like the kind of guy who wants to stay away from blockbuster films.

[DorkyFresh]

if they're gonna continue with Pete being 20-28 then the only actors i would want to play him would be Jake Gyllenhaal or Justin Long.

[TimDrake64x]

is it me, or does Joseph Gordon-Levitt look alot like Heath Ledger?

oh and whoever sugested Elisha Cuthbert as mj, good job, i could totally see that. while we r on the girl next door, Emile Hirsch could probably make a good spider-man, too bad he is going to be speed racer.

ok, i just spent like 45 minutes on imdb and i think i found a great guy for spider-man...is everybody ready...hold tight.... COLIN HANKS!! the son of the perfect everyday actor, colin freakin hanks for spider-man!!

[Havok83]

I think SM4 does need to be darker and more serious. I felt that SM3 tried to be darker, but it was aimed at a younger audience so that killed it.

[Eddie Brock]

Guys...it's friggin' Spider-Man, not Batman...it's MEANT to not be serious.

[Frodo]

Cast

Spiderman/Peter Parker: Jake Gyllenhaal. I think he could handle both the nerdy Peter Parker and the sarcastic Spiderman quite well.
Mary Jane Watson: I'm gonna make an unconventional choice and go with Rose Mcgowen. Though she 10 years older the Dunst, I feel she has the right blend of independence yet vurnability. Her version would be much closer to the comics .
http://dev.actressarchives.com/imgdir/rose_mcgowan.jpg
http://www.superpostcards.com/resources/cards/actors/Rose_Mcgowan_001.jpg
Lizard/Curt Connors : Dylan Baker
Aunt May : Rosemary Harris
J.Jonah Jameson : JK Simmons
Connors Wife : Elizabeth Mitchell (Lost)
Robbie Robertson: Bill Nunn
Betty Brant : Elizabeth Banks
Hoffman : Ted Raimi
Professor Miles Warren : William Fitchner (prison break) I make him a fellow professor helping Connors in his expirement. There would be hints that he has a fondness for Gwen.
Gwen Stacy : Bryce Dallas Howard
Capatin Stacy : James Cromwell

Director : ?
Script : Paul Haggis and Alvin Sergent
Producer : Sam Raimi
Music : Danny Elfman

[bush5150]

Cast

Spiderman/Peter Parker: Jake Gyllenhaal.


Great, so we have Heath Ledger playing the Joker and Jake Gyllenhaal play Spidey. Brokeback Comics!!!!

[Eddie Brock]

Great, so we have Heath Ledger playing the Joker and Jake Gyllenhaal play Spidey. Brokeback Comics!!!!
$30 says Ledger makes a great Joker.

[Spiderine]

$30 says Ledger makes a great Joker.
Yo Eddie Jr. What did you think of Venom's portrayal in the movie?

[Eddie Brock]

Yo Eddie Jr. What did you think of Venom's portrayal in the movie?
Short, but still great.

Teaming up with Sandman seems a little out-of-character, but I was able to look past it because of the sheer awesomeness of that battle.

[Spiderine]

I think SM4 does need to be darker and more serious. I felt that SM3 tried to be darker, but it was aimed at a younger audience so that killed it.
It should be darker if they do Lizard.

[Alex]

if they're gonna continue with Pete being 20-28 then the only actors i would want to play him would be Jake Gyllenhaal or Justin Long.
Justin Long would be a terrile choice.

[The-Arachnoid]

My two cents-

Massive Spidey fan (I’m usually called Dangerous but am having to use this handle right now, don’t ask). I never loved the director and cast for this franchise and did not like how they changed so much from the source material either, inc costumes (GG) as well as how they humanized Octavius in SM2 among other stuff.

Maguire was great in the first film as a Steve Ditko era book worm styled PP, but by SM2 we should have moved onto Spider-MAN, John Romita style. Maguire is not that person and can’t act it either. Dunst as MJ was plain crap casting. MJ is supposed to be supermodel hot, not just cute. She is also supposed to be the ultimate party girl who makes everyone feel like they are having fun when she is in the room with them. As for Spider-man he is supposed to be constantly cracking jokes while he is fighting bad guys. All this sort of stuff just means they did not really ‘get’ Spider-man for me.

SM and SM2 were pretty solid I guess, but SM3 was embarrassing and often painful to watch. The story was cluttered and the script full of plot holes. The way I see it Sony will want a new director/cast secure for the next few films as the current casts price tags will continue to rise.

Should we get a new director/cast for No4 this would be great because I won’t have to consider the past status quo of the previous films (I hope) and the inaccurate film origin of Spider-man and his school days. We’ll just get a new jump on point w/ a more grown up more worldly PP/SM.

My Ideal casting for SM4-

PP/SM- Jake G -Definitely more grown up looking than the boyish Maguire. Which would be needed by film 4 really, plus if you compare him- he is a dead ringer for McFarlane’s Peter Parker.
Very Cool!

GWEN- Elisha Cuthbert -Actually looks like miss Stacy instead of an ugly ginger chick w/ died blonde hair. Cuthbert like Jake G would be perfect, though I realise there is no chance of this one.

MJ- NOT Mandy Moore! she is a brainless pop bimbo. MJ needs to be some chick who can act and be fun and exciting but is also crucially very beautiful.

Rest of the cast can be left.

I’d like a film that features Betty and Flash more, that incorporates the supporting cast into a film like the actual comics do. Villain wise no more symbiotes. The whole idea is too long gested and elaborate to cram into a two hour film without coming off as brainless. SM3 proved that. Kraven would be good as would Mysterio, plenty of classic issues to draw upon there.
It would also be great if the FF featured in a few scenes or if we saw DD swing past in the background in one scene or a TV news report on the Punisher appeared briefly on screen to help flesh out the context of Manhattan being the centre of the MU, stuff like that.

Oh well, hope some of this stuff goes into making a more authentic Spider-Man adaptation next time.

I have just really have had enough of Maguire, Raimi and co now.

[Alex]

is it me, or does Joseph Gordon-Levitt look alot like Heath Ledger?

oh and whoever sugested Elisha Cuthbert as mj, good job, i could totally see that. while we r on the girl next door, Emile Hirsch could probably make a good spider-man, too bad he is going to be speed racer.

ok, i just spent like 45 minutes on imdb and i think i found a great guy for spider-man...is everybody ready...hold tight.... COLIN HANKS!! the son of the perfect everyday actor, colin freakin hanks for spider-man!!
Colin Hanks is too goofy.

[The-Arachnoid]

BTW-
Eddie Brock in SM3 was terrible and bore absolutely no resemblance to Brock in the comics bar the name.

[Alex]

BTW-
Eddie Brock in SM3 was terrible and bore absolutely no resemblance to Brock in the comics bar the name.
Actually, I liked Topher Grace a lot and think he did a great job. The movies aren't exactly like the comics and they're not going to be. They'll take ideas and use their own ideas and come out with the best possible product that they can. If you keep having such high expectations and keep expecting the movies to be EXACTLY how you want, then you're never going to like them.

[TimDrake64x]

Colin Hanks is too goofy.

i could understand that comment if this was for anyother superhero...but this is spider-man/peter parker....peter IS goofy

[Alex]

i could understand that comment if this was for anyother superhero...but this is spider-man/peter parker....peter IS goofy
I know that but he's too goofy to the point where he's not really much else. To me he just wouldn't make a believeable Spider-man.

[The-Arachnoid]

Actually, I liked Topher Grace a lot and think he did a great job. The movies aren't exactly like the comics and they're not going to be. They'll take ideas and use their own ideas and come out with the best possible product that they can. If you keep having such high expectations and keep expecting the movies to be EXACTLY how you want, then you're never going to like them.

Maybe, but Batman Begins was great and my expectations were met with that film. I just wish they could make a Spider-Man film that captures every aspect of the hero like how they did w/ Bats in BB.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

If Raimi and the original cast doesn't come back then...

Peter Parker- Elijah Wood
MJ- Rachel McAdams
Dr. Connors/Lizard- Dylan Baker
Jonah Jameson- J.K. Simmons
Betty Brant-Elizabeth Banks
Gwen- Bryce Dallas Howard
Mac Gargan/Scorpion- Peter Stormare
Cletus Kassidy/Carnage- Robert Knepper or Jake Busey
Kraven the Hunter- Oded Fehr, Gerard Butler, or Karl Urban
Adrian Toomes/Vulture- Ben Kingsley

[Alex]

Maybe, but Batman Begins was great and my expectations were met with that film. I just wish they could make a Spider-Man film that captures every aspect of the hero like how they did w/ Bats in BB.
The best way to enjoy a movie is to go in with low expectations and take it for what it is, not what you want it to be. I love all three Spider-man films because even though I'd like to see certain things, they're going to show us their vision and we're just going to have to try and enjoy it.

Batman Begins was great, I agree. However, I think it was easier because it was a reboot of the series whereas Spider-man 3 was held to such high expectations that a lot of peopel couldn't really appreciate how good it actually was.

[JackBauer]

am I the only one who thinks it's pretty stupid to recast only a couple of roles and leave everybody else the same? the way I see it, if they're going for something new, it's all or nothing. yeah, some of the actors were about as close to perfect casting as you get, but nobody is irreplaceable.

[Mr. Socko]

So, Visionary, you're talking about James Cameron, right? The same guy who had Spider-Man having sex with MJ on edge of a building? The same guy who had Spidey have wet dreams and wake up to find out that web came out of his dick? That James Cameron?! You know what...I'm gonna support your cause! :up:

Are you joking:huh:

[Alex]

am I the only one who thinks it's pretty stupid to recast only a couple of roles and leave everybody else the same? the way I see it, if they're going for something new, it's all or nothing. yeah, some of the actors were about as close to perfect casting as you get, but nobody is irreplaceable.
I think it's completely stupid as well. I think it's stupid to think of getting anyone else other than the cast they have now. Sure, Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane is annoying but the rest of the cast are great.

[Odametal]

I've created a similar thread ages ago.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251665

If a mod come and merge then it would be cool.
There was some good ideas back then.

[Odametal]

Now that I'm disapointed with Sam, lets choose a nwe director.
I still hopes for someone like David Ficher.

[Alex]

I hate when threads are merged.

[Paste Pot Pete]

That was for the first film and an early draft, why do you all keep bringing that up, that was over 15 years ago? We're far past anything that was in that scriptment. He would start out with Spidey already being Spidey (no wet web dream scene) in a 4th film, lol. :cwink:

How greatly do you think his understanding of Spider-Man has increased in the last 15 years?

That's why people keep bringing it up. He didn't get it 15 years ago, who's to say he'd get it know? It has nothing to do with story specifics.

[Immortalfire]

As true fans, we must do all we can to keep Cameron far away from Spidey.

[Odametal]

The Cameron's script treament was actually pretty entertaining to read.
Specially the part that says that Peter is still in high school.
That would be really cool to see.

[Visionary]

How greatly do you think his understanding of Spider-Man has increased in the last 15 years?

That's why people keep bringing it up. He didn't get it 15 years ago, who's to say he'd get it know? It has nothing to do with story specifics.
As true fans, we must do all we can to keep Cameron far away from Spidey.Very well, so you both don't want Cameron as the director, whom may I ask are you interested in directing SM4?

[Mr. Socko]

We'll never guess. All we can do is choose who we'd like to direct it but obviously won't.


Just like before, they're going to choose low-key but talented actors and director.

[TobeyBEATShaydn]

If Sam, Tobey, and Kirsten decide not to come back...

Give Adam Brody the same work out regiment that was given to Tobey and Topher and he can be Peter. He's Definitely got a geeky side and a humorous side. If not Brody, then perhaps the guy who I thought from the very beginning should have played Peter, despite the fact that i do like Tobey in the role... Nicholas Brendan (Xander) from the Buffy the Vampire slayer television series. In my mind, many modern drawings of Peter Parker look uncannily like this guy. Plus, if you observe the character he plays on Buffy, he's basically Peter Parker without super powers. yeah he's a little older now but I'm sure he could play younger.

This is a long shot but perhaps Judd Apatow (Freaks and Geeks, Undeclared, The 40 Year Old Virgin) could direct. He's good with angst.

... and MJ's kinda gotta be a sweetie so definately not someone like Lindsay Lohan... I dunno, maybe Alison Lohman from Big Fish? She's not a huge star yet. That could help because if someone famous was chosen, it'd be harder to indentify her as MJ because all we'd see was the star. Despite the fact that Kirsten is famous and recognizable, she is now synonomous with Mary Jane Watson.


You thoughts?

[Maximum Carnage]

Why did you make your font bigger?

Topher Grace is a good actor, but Tobey was the right man for the job. Topher did a good job as Venom and hopefully will be able to reprise his role for future films. However, I highly doubt that.

I don't like Kirsten as Mary Jane either, but in the third she did a much better job than the previous two. If they were to change her character now, it just wouldn't feel right. Love it ro hate it, they should keep the cast intact if they can.

Edit: Ugh, you edited. Elish Cuthbert as Mary Jane? Uhh...
no way the spiderman cast is tired and i think if they continue the film theres a good chance they wil do it without the egos. tobey maguire isnt asmartmouth like spiderman should be. they briefly tried him out as being whitty in the first film when he fought bonesaw and he failed horribly. and i dont really feel chemistry between tobey a kirsten. maybe its just me.

[Alex]

no way the spiderman cast is tired and i think if they continue the film theres a good chance they wil do it without the egos. tobey maguire isnt asmartmouth like spiderman should be. they briefly tried him out as being whitty in the first film when he fought bonesaw and he failed horribly. and i dont really feel chemistry between tobey a kirsten. maybe its just me.
Wow, again with the big font. Overcomensating much?

Their egos? Just because they're famous and make a lot of money doesn't mean they have egos. You're just feeding into a celebrity cliche. What grounds do you have for stating that?

Tobey hasn't really had the chance and you can't blame him for the dialogue they give him.

Yet they're good friends. Hmm.

[D.P.]

My recommendation for Parker...

http://www.magazine.ucla.edu/exclusives/peacefulwarrior1.jpg

Scott Mechlowicz.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/peacefulwarrior/large.html

Def. has the Peter Parker look...And some acrobatic skills as well.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/lions_gate_films/peaceful_warrior/scott_mechlowicz/peaceful2.jpg

http://www.dallasnews.com/guidelive/img/movies/0602warrior.jpg

http://www.rhetboi.net/sordid/archives/images/movies/artschool1.png

[olemonica]

Jake Gyllenhaal. No F*****G way... He don'y look like PP at all...
Jake Gyllenhaal looks a bit like Tobey Maguire but not Peter. Not at all.
F**k that g*yboy

[Odametal]

My recommendation for Parker...

http://www.magazine.ucla.edu/exclusives/peacefulwarrior1.jpg

Scott Mechlowicz.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/peacefulwarrior/large.html

Def. has the Peter Parker look...And some acrobatic skills as well.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/lions_gate_films/peaceful_warrior/scott_mechlowicz/peaceful2.jpg

http://www.dallasnews.com/guidelive/img/movies/0602warrior.jpg

http://www.rhetboi.net/sordid/archives/images/movies/artschool1.png
I can actually see this gut as Peter. Can he act?

[Alex]

I can actually see this gut as Peter. Can he act?
Not really.

[DorkyFresh]

My recommendation for Parker...

http://www.magazine.ucla.edu/exclusives/peacefulwarrior1.jpg

Scott Mechlowicz.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/peacefulwarrior/large.html

Def. has the Peter Parker look...And some acrobatic skills as well.

best suggestion i've heard yet. i saw him in Eurotrip but never made the connection. i could definitely see him as Peter Parker.

[Venom 1988]

tobey maguire isnt asmartmouth like spiderman should be. they briefly tried him out as being whitty in the first film when he fought bonesaw and he failed horribly.Blam the writers not Tobey.

[DorkyFresh]

Not really.

sure he can! check out this clip...it demonstrates his ability for drama, comedy, and action all in one scene! hehe

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4aMD4uy-QGc

[Odametal]

Double post

[Odametal]

Blam the writers not Tobey.
But Maguire don't have the timing to pull out some jokes.
He just read the lines. Put Seinfeld to write jokes for him, and he still won't be a funny Spider-Man.
Thats why every scene that Topher appears, I thught: Damn, he's a good Eddie Brock, but he could be as awesome Peter Parker.
Topher has a good timing for comedy, Tobey don't. Just see the difference.

[DorkyFresh]

i gotta agree that Tobey didn't come off like the wisecracker that Pete is. blame the writers all you want but even when Tobey was delivering sarcastic and smartass comments he didn't do it convincingly imo.

[Alex]

sure he can! check out this clip...it demonstrates his ability for drama, comedy, and action all in one scene! hehe

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4aMD4uy-QGc
Like I said, "Not really".

[Maximum Carnage]

Wow, again with the big font. Overcomensating much?

Their egos? Just because they're famous and make a lot of money doesn't mean they have egos. You're just feeding into a celebrity cliche. What grounds do you have for stating that?

Tobey hasn't really had the chance and you can't blame him for the dialogue they give him.

Yet they're good friends. Hmm.

well my punchy friend, do you think that with every movie that they do they do not want MUCH fatter paychecks? Tobey Maguire made 16 million on Spiderman 3 which really is not even all that much compared to tom cruise who cleared 100 million on war of the worlds. Do you think that an actor increasing the amount of money they are willing work for movie after movie is not due to ego? A speculated 20 million for Tobey Maguire is way too much for the caliber actor he is. basically cliches are cliches for a reason. they are not just randomly assigned falsities. And did you even see the first film at all? they tried to give him whitty dialogue (in has match with bonesaw) and he sucked it up. thats why our current Spiderman is not funny. Writers create dialogue that the actors can run with and when it comes to quips, Maguire might as well be a one legged man in the 100 meter dash. Do not get this wrong i do not mean to bash Tobey Maguire its just that in spite of what you think hes not an amazing actor; hes a halfway decent actor

and about me "Overcomensating", i apologise

[Venom 1988]

But Maguire don't have the timing to pull out some jokes.
He just read the lines. Put Seinfeld to write jokes for him, and he still won't be a funny Spider-Man.
Thats why every scene that Topher appears, I thught: Damn, he's a good Eddie Brock, but he could be as awesome Peter Parker.
Topher has a good timing for comedy, Tobey don't. Just see the difference.

i gotta agree that Tobey didn't come off like the wisecracker that Pete is. blame the writers all you want but even when Tobey was delivering sarcastic and smartass comments he didn't do it convincingly imo.

Ok I'll admit his delivery at times is poor with the jokes.

[Alex]

But Maguire don't have the timing to pull out some jokes.
He just read the lines. Put Seinfeld to write jokes for him, and he still won't be a funny Spider-Man.
Thats why every scene that Topher appears, I thught: Damn, he's a good Eddie Brock, but he could be as awesome Peter Parker.
Topher has a good timing for comedy, Tobey don't. Just see the difference.
Jerry Seinfeld isn't funny though.

Tobey has a quieter sense of humour.

[TimDrake64x]

topher really would have been a great parker, but Scott Mechlowicz really is not a bad choice. but what about adam brody?

[Alex]

well my punchy friend, do you think that with every movie that they do they do not want MUCH fatter paychecks? Tobey Maguire made 16 million on Spiderman 3 which really is not even all that much compared to tom cruise who cleared 100 million on war of the worlds. Do you think that an actor increasing the amount of money they are willing work for movie after movie is not due to ego? A speculated 20 million for Tobey Maguire is way too much for the caliber actor he is. basically cliches are cliches for a reason. they are not just randomly assigned falsities. And did you even see the first film at all? they tried to give him whitty dialogue (in has match with bonesaw) and he sucked it up. thats why our current Spiderman is not funny. Writers create dialogue that the actors can run with and when it comes to quips, Maguire might as well be a one legged man in the 100 meter dash. Do not get this wrong i do not mean to bash Tobey Maguire its just that in spite of what you think hes not an amazing actor; hes a halfway decent actor

and about me "Overcomensating", i apologise
Making movies is their job. Wouldn't you want more money for your job if you could get it? Just because he makes a lot of money doesn't mean he hasd a huge ego, you're just making assumptions which are probably based on jealously, because you don't make that type of money or have the luxury of demanding more money from your current employer and getting it.

Yes, I have seen it actually. He may not be the most sarcastic person in the world and a loud mouthed wisecracker, but the writers gave him crappy dialogue in that scene.

I'm not saying he's an amazing actor, but he's a better actor than you are giving him credit for. Have you seen any of his other work? As for him not deserving twenty million dollars, you're probably right but he deserves it a lot more than a lot of other people who make that kind of cash. He's playing an iconic character and has been for three movies now and people are attached to him as Spider-man. If he wants more money that is in a reasonable price range, he should get it.

And don't apologize, just don't do it. What's the point in doing it anyway?

[Alex]

topher really would have been a great parker, but Scott Mechlowicz really is not a bad choice. but what about adam brody?
Physically, Scott would be better than Adam but acting wise, Adam would be better than Scott. And no, although Topher Grace is funny, I don't think he'd make a better Peter than Tobey. I think Topher did a good job as Venom.

[DorkyFresh]

Like I said, "Not really".

wow, quite a sense of humor ya got there!

[Alex]

wow, quite a sense of humor ya got there!
I like Eurotrip and think it's hilarious but that doesn't mean he's a good actor.

[DorkyFresh]

of course not...i'm not saying he's a great actor or anything. that's the only movie i've seen him in, but if the trailer for Peaceful Warrior is any indication of how he acted in that movie then it looks like he might have some potential...

[TobeyBEATShaydn]

Physically, Scott would be better than Adam but acting wise, Adam would be better than Scott. And no, although Topher Grace is funny, I don't think he'd make a better Peter than Tobey. I think Topher did a good job as Venom.



Give Adam Brody the same work out regiment that was given to Tobey and Topher and he can be Peter. Those two guys were skinny before they got their roles and now look at them. Brody's Definitely got a geeky side and a humorous side.

[olemonica]

As long as it's not Gyllenhaal.
We have to remember he should look like Parker, not maguire.

I still think that Jonathan Bennett would be a better Peter Parker
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4169/jonathanbecohen32178834cs8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Odametal]

Jerry Seinfeld isn't funny though.

Tobey has a quieter sense of humour.

I put Seinfeld cause he was the first comediant that I remember at the time. Choose any other funny guy you want writting the jokes for Maguire, and he still will not be "Spider-Man funny".:yay:

[Odametal]

One idea for a villain:
Gerard Butler as Kraven.
What do you guys think?


PS: If other people already post this idea, I'm sorry.

[Venom 1988]

One idea for a villain:
Gerard Butler as Kraven.
What do you guys think?


PS: If other people already post this idea, I'm sorry.

Exactly! :up:

I know he would be the perfect guy actor for Kraven. Like I've said in the past, hes a fantastic actor and could easily pull off the physique and the look of Kraven.

[WebSlingerSlick]

How about we all maintain the faith that Raimi&Co will return for a future installment instead of pondering what actors could actually replace Macguire...geez.

[DorkyFresh]

How about we all maintain the faith that Raimi&Co will return for a future installment instead of pondering what actors could actually replace Macguire...geez.

how about you let others do what they want to do?

[Eddie Brock]

How about we all maintain the faith that Raimi&Co will return for a future installment instead of pondering what actors could actually replace Macguire...geez.
Just because most people (myself included) would prefer it, doesn't mean that we shouldn't look to the future.

[Odametal]

How about we all maintain the faith that Raimi&Co will return for a future installment instead of pondering what actors could actually replace Macguire...geez.

Guess not... NEXT.:woot:

Just kiddin'

I think its time to Raimi step down and let other people show their vision of these characters.
The third movie just prove that. And if Raimi leave, the cast will too.
So lets dream( and hope) for good cast and crew.
Thats the whole point of this thread.

[WebSlingerSlick]

how about you let others do what they want to do?

I have nothing wrong with other people's opinions. I am just stating mine in relation to many others who post on the boards.

[WebSlingerSlick]

Just because most people (myself included) would prefer it, doesn't mean that we shouldn't look to the future.

Agreed. I would greatly be extremely thrilled if Raimi returned as well as Maguire and Dunst. They need a break from these film for a few years though.

[Odametal]

In S-M3 is more than clear thar Raimi show everything he could offer to the Spider-Man franchise. Its time for him to move on, and some other director try to bring his talent to the director's chair.
I wouldn't mind if Tobey and Kirsten leaves too.
As long as they keep the J.K Simmons, Bryce, and maybe, bring back Topher(I just hope they do this, is hard to see Venom treated like that).

[Eddie Brock]

bring back Topher(I just hope they do this, is hard to see Venom treated like that).
Hard to see him treated as what? As an ACTUAL human being? Is it hard to see him treated like a character with REAL depth who responds normally in a bad situation? Is it sooooo hard to watch Raimi give the character a realistic interpretation rather than "Arrrgh! I eat brains! Look at my obnoxiously long tongue! Arrgh! Green drool...EVERYWHERE!!"

[DorkyFresh]

my problem with the way Raimi portrayed Venom isn't that Venom's not a drooling monster who wants to tear Spider-Man limb from limb (i hate the "monster" approach to Venom) but it's just that Venom's story felt so rushed and he didn't feel very threatening to me. yes, he was, physically, a tough match for Spider-Man but that's it.

the biggest threat Venom posed, imo, is that he knew everything there is to know about Spider-Man because the symbiote stuck to Pete first. the symbiote knew all of Pete's secrets...his life, his loves, his fighting tactics, EVERYTHING...and that wasn't even hinted at in the movie. the villains in part 3 not being as fleshed out as Norman, Harry, or Otto is what made me disappointed in the portrayal of both Sandman and Venom.

[Eddie Brock]

the symbiote knew all of Pete's secrets...his life, his loves, his fighting tactics, EVERYTHING...and that wasn't even hinted at in the movie.
Of course it was..how else did Venom know about MJ and "Tiger"?

[DorkyFresh]

Of course it was..how else did Venom know about MJ and "Tiger"?

that's a mild hint and a far cry from letting the audience know that Venom knows everything about Peter...

[prluver]

Either Wes Craven or Steven Spielberg for the director.
The rest are hard to choose.

[Odametal]

Hard to see him treated as what? As an ACTUAL human being? Is it hard to see him treated like a character with REAL depth who responds normally in a bad situation? Is it sooooo hard to watch Raimi give the character a realistic interpretation rather than "Arrrgh! I eat brains! Look at my obnoxiously long tongue! Arrgh! Green drool...EVERYWHERE!!"

I agree with you, in some points.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post. IMO, the character of Eddie Brock, was one of the only things that were actually good in the movie. The thing that bottered me is the fact the he was way underused. The same problem happen with Sandman(the sick daughter was not well handle)and Gwen Stacy( she is HOT, but she didn't add nothing to story).

And you have to agree with me: Venom dying after ONE bomb hit him was LAME. I hope he didn't, but since Sam Raimi continues on the director's chair, I can't be so sure.

[Eddie Brock]

I agree with you, in some points.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post. IMO, the character of Eddie Brock, was one of the only things that were actually good in the movie. The thing that bottered me is the fact the he was way underused. The same problem happen with Sandman(the sick daughter was not well handle)and Gwen Stacy( she is HOT, but she didn't add nothing to story).

And you have to agree with me: Venom dying after ONE bomb hit him was LAME. I hope he didn't, but since Sam Raimi continues on the director's chair, I can't be so sure.
Um...symbiote are suceptible to fire, and the 1st GG used bombs that incinerated people and turned them into ash, so one bomb could EASILY defeat Venom.

[Maximum Carnage]

Making movies is their job. Wouldn't you want more money for your job if you could get it? Just because he makes a lot of money doesn't mean he hasd a huge ego, you're just making assumptions which are probably based on jealously, because you don't make that type of money or have the luxury of demanding more money from your current employer and getting it.

Yes, I have seen it actually. He may not be the most sarcastic person in the world and a loud mouthed wisecracker, but the writers gave him crappy dialogue in that scene.

I'm not saying he's an amazing actor, but he's a better actor than you are giving him credit for. Have you seen any of his other work? As for him not deserving twenty million dollars, you're probably right but he deserves it a lot more than a lot of other people who make that kind of cash. He's playing an iconic character and has been for three movies now and people are attached to him as Spider-man. If he wants more money that is in a reasonable price range, he should get it.

And don't apologize, just don't do it. What's the point in doing it anyway?
Who gives a crap if hes playing an iconic character?? He does not play the character very well. I believe the entire point I was making was that actors continually ask for more money (you agreed). And your saying thats not ego driven? Use common sense; the idea of saying "Ill only do this movie for this amount of dollars because I am worth it." if thats not ego then i do not know what is. You call it a "cliche" but its the truth, my friend. and yes I have seen a number of his movies as well as parts he has done on television; still not a 20 million dollar actor.

oh but wait I am just feeding cliches. bravo.

[Odametal]

Um...symbiote are suceptible to fire, and the 1st GG used bombs that incinerated people and turned them into ash, so one bomb could EASILY defeat Venom.

But still, it was lame.
Which brings me a question: How the hell the Goblins in these movies can tell difference between the bombs? They all look the same, and somehow, there are a lot of types: one the turn people into ashes, other that it just go BOOM(the one the scars Harry), other that you can throw in the face and it just shattered your FABRIC mask(Spider-Man 1, anyone?).

[DorkyFresh]

don't forget the razor pumpkins...

[Eddie Brock]

But still, it was lame.
Which brings me a question: How the hell the Goblins in these movies can tell difference between the bombs? They all look the same, and somehow, there are a lot of types: one the turn people into ashes, other that it just go BOOM(the one the scars Harry), other that you can throw in the face and it just shattered your FABRIC mask(Spider-Man 1, anyone?).
If you're trying to rationalize Spider-Man, you've already failed.

Need I play the "radioactive spider?" card?

[Spider-Fan83]

But still, it was lame.
Which brings me a question: How the hell the Goblins in these movies can tell difference between the bombs?

maybe they don't know, they just grap, throw, and sees what happens lol

[Odametal]

If you're trying to rationalize Spider-Man, you've already failed.

Need I play the "radioactive spider?" card?

Ok, your're right.
But you have to agree with me that a bomb basically hits the Peter's eye(or get close enough to) on Spider-Man1 in didn't leave a tiny scar on him, and a similar bomb turns Harry in Phantom Of the Opera is just dumb.

[jaienviedechier]

In your opinion, would Peter Jackson be interested in directing Spidey 4?

[WebSlingerSlick]

Topher Grace signed a contract to be in two Spider-Man films.

[Odametal]

In your opinion, would Peter Jackson be interested in directing Spidey 4?

Mine?

I guess his too busy with his new movie and all. But if he direct, my guess it would be cool. He made a "impossible to shoot" movie, that not only please die hard fans, but also the general audience. I wonder what he would make with Spider-Man.

[Odametal]

double post, sorry.

[Odametal]

Topher Grace signed a contract to be in two Spider-Man films.

If you post the source of this, you'll be my new best friend.

[Mr. Socko]

No Robert Rodriguez. RR does nothing but fill his films with useless action and have character development and writing come last. Not to mention his sfx studio sucks.

I DARE anyone to disagree!

[Eddie Brock]

Actors normally sign on for multiple movies...doesn't mean that they'll actually be in the sequels.

[TimDrake64x]

If you're trying to rationalize Spider-Man, you've already failed.

Need I play the "radioactive spider?" card?

actuall there was this show on national geographic channel i think, called spider-man tech, where they actually said that that could be possible and they explained how it could really happen

[JasonGrey]

No Robert Rodriguez. RR does nothing but fill his films with useless action and have character development and writing come last. Not to mention his sfx studio sucks.

I DARE anyone to disagree!


I'd also like to add that mybe he'll hire a mexican actor for Peter Parker... or add anything dealing with Mexico or Texas in his film :woot:

[Mr. Socko]

LOL!

He'd probably get Antonio Banderas to be Spider-Man and place it in Texas. Oh and The Lizard would be Danny Trejo.

[WebSlingerSlick]

Actors normally sign on for multiple movies...doesn't mean that they'll actually be in the sequels.

Are you seriously telling me you would not prefer to see Topher Grace as Eddie Brock in the sequel to Spider-Man 3. Jesus! Wow! Take a look at your screen name! It seems very confusing in relation to the statement you made dude.

[WebSlingerSlick]

No Robert Rodriguez. RR does nothing but fill his films with useless action and have character development and writing come last. Not to mention his sfx studio sucks.

I DARE anyone to disagree!

WOW! That is such a bold statement to make about Robert Rodriguez Did you not like Sin City? That film is filled with what you are describing right now.

[blind_fury]

Joseph Gordon-Levitt is perfect for Spidey

Mary Elizabeth Winstead is perfect for MJ.

Maggie Smith is perfect for Aunt May.

Bring in David Fincher or Alfonso Cuaron as director and make comic book movie history..

[Eddie Brock]

Are you seriously telling me you would not prefer to see Topher Grace as Eddie Brock in the sequel to Spider-Man 3. Jesus! Wow! Take a look at your screen name! It seems very confusing in relation to the statement you made dude.
Venom's purpose was served in this movie. I already knew coming in that this was his one and only shot, and I was glad with the performance of it.

[Alex]

of course not...i'm not saying he's a great actor or anything. that's the only movie i've seen him in, but if the trailer for Peaceful Warrior is any indication of how he acted in that movie then it looks like he might have some potential...
I'd rather have a good actor play Peter than an average actor.
Give Adam Brody the same work out regiment that was given to Tobey and Topher and he can be Peter. Those two guys were skinny before they got their roles and now look at them. Brody's Definitely got a geeky side and a humorous side.
Not what I meant, but okay.

[Alex]

I put Seinfeld cause he was the first comediant that I remember at the time. Choose any other funny guy you want writting the jokes for Maguire, and he still will not be "Spider-Man funny".:yay:
Maybe, but I think it's a little awkward to have someone say a bunch of one liners while trying to have an intense fight scene. It may have been okay for the comics, but I don't know how well it would work for the movies.

[Alex]

Guess not... NEXT.:woot:

Just kiddin'

I think its time to Raimi step down and let other people show their vision of these characters.
The third movie just prove that. And if Raimi leave, the cast will too.
So lets dream( and hope) for good cast and crew.
Thats the whole point of this thread.
In years to come, way down the line people want to do this, then that's fine but I think it's too soon to change things up like that. It'd be confusing and annoying. I don't want this to be like the Bond films.

[DorkyFresh]

I'd rather have a good actor play Peter than an average actor.
well...i, personally, don't need to see an actor that can play every role under the sun...i just want an actor that can play the Pete that i read from the comics...;)

[Alex]

Who gives a crap if hes playing an iconic character?? He does not play the character very well. I believe the entire point I was making was that actors continually ask for more money (you agreed). And your saying thats not ego driven? Use common sense; the idea of saying "Ill only do this movie for this amount of dollars because I am worth it." if thats not ego then i do not know what is. You call it a "cliche" but its the truth, my friend. and yes I have seen a number of his movies as well as parts he has done on television; still not a 20 million dollar actor.

oh but wait I am just feeding cliches. bravo.

And you could play it better? He plays Peter Parker pretty damn well and even others in the industry say he's fantastic.

You didn't answer my question, go figure. If you ask for a raise at work, are you egotistical? Don't look at the numbers, look at the situation. He did a good job on the previous film and they want him back. It's not like all actors think they're king ****, it's just that they know that they did a good job and like all professions, you get more money when you do a good job. That's business.

And who is a 20 million dollar actor? Our of a many who make that kind of cash, who is?

[Alex]

In your opinion, would Peter Jackson be interested in directing Spidey 4?
I wouldn't watch a Peter Jackson Spider-man movie.

[Alex]

Actors normally sign on for multiple movies...doesn't mean that they'll actually be in the sequels.
Yeah, but if they signed him they have to pay him for it so why would they waste that kind of money if they didn't have it? From what I hear, one of the characters that supposedly dies doesn't actually die and that's probably Eddie Brock, so I can maybe see Venom back for the fourth with a bit of the Lizard (although I don't think that would be right) and I think Venom would kill Gwen Stacy.

[Alex]

Joseph Gordon-Levitt is perfect for Spidey

Mary Elizabeth Winstead is perfect for MJ.

Maggie Smith is perfect for Aunt May.

Bring in David Fincher or Alfonso Cuaron as director and make comic book movie history..
Fincher would cost WAY too much (probably) and Cuaron would **** it up.

[Alex]

well...i, personally, don't need to see an actor that can play every role under the sun...i just want an actor that can play the Pete that i read from the comics...;)
I'd rather have an actor who can handle the diversity of Peter, but that's just me.

[blind_fury]

Fincher would cost WAY too much (probably) and Cuaron would **** it up.

Um, they spent over 400 million on SM3. I think they can afford David Fincher. :o

and do you even know who Alfonso Cuaron is? :huh:

The man could make an awesome Spider-man movie with his eyes closed.

[Alex]

Um, they spent over 400 million on SM3. I think they can afford David Fincher. :o

and do you even know who Alfonso Cuaron is? :huh:

The man could make an awesome Spider-man movie with his eyes closed.
Um, no they didn't? $258 million plus $1 million doesn't equal $400 million? But anyway, my point is they already spend A LOT of money so if they had a David Fincher as director, they'd have to spend A LOT more and I don't think they'd be able to afford it.

Yes, I do.

Yet he ****ed up Children of Men and Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.

[DorkyFresh]

Yet he ****ed up Children of Men and Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.

wow...you're certified crazy! Prizoner of Azkaban was miles better than the first 2 Harry Potter movies. as for Children of Men...i haven't ready the book but the movie is amazing in it's own right.

[Alex]

As a stand alone movie, sure but as an adaptation of the book, no. He didn't even read the book. You think people are going to want someone directing their films when they don't even read the source material? People freak out because Sam changes some little things. Imagine if it was that hack directing the film? People would go nuts.

And the movie Children of Men COULD'VE been great and up until the end, I was enjoying it but then it just let me down and I started thinking about all the little things that bothered me about his directing. He's one of the most overrated directors around.

[WebSlingerSlick]

Venom's purpose was served in this movie. I already knew coming in that this was his one and only shot, and I was glad with the performance of it.

I without a doubt agree with you totally! Topher Grace's performance was excellent! I loved it!

[blind_fury]

And the movie Children of Men COULD'VE been great and up until the end, I was enjoying it but then it just let me down and I started thinking about all the little things that bothered me about his directing. He's one of the most overrated directors around.
Cuaron? Overrated?

Here's Raimi's last four wide releases before Spider-man:

The Gift (2000)
For Love of the Game (1999)
A Simple Plan (1998)
The Quick and the Dead (1995)

70% average on rotten tomatoes.

Here's Cuaron's last 3 wide releases:

Children of Men (2006) - made over 20 critics top ten list
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004) - made over 6 critics top ten list, about the same as SM2
Y Tu Mama Tambien (2002) - made over 27 critics top ten list

90% average in rotten tomatoes

How many directors average 17 critics top ten list for their last 3 movies?

He's been nominated for 3 oscars and has won countless international film awards.

He's also a damn good writer.

If anyone's overrated it's Raimi.

[DorkyFresh]

People freak out because Sam changes some little things. Imagine if it was that hack directing the film? People would go nuts.
yet, you're ignoring that Prizoner of Azkaban is the 2nd favorite HP movie amongst HP fans. i haven't read the book but from what my brother and sis-in-law (HUGE HP fan) tell me, Cuaron stuck pretty close to that book.

He's one of the most overrated directors around.
as blind_fury ask.....Sam Raimi isn't? you saying Cuaron is overrate is an overstatement. ask your average person who Alfonso Cuaron is and i bet you they've never heard of him. if you hold Alfonso Cuaron in such contempt then you must not like many directors.

[Maximum Carnage]

And you could play it better? He plays Peter Parker pretty damn well and even others in the industry say he's fantastic.

You didn't answer my question, go figure. If you ask for a raise at work, are you egotistical? Don't look at the numbers, look at the situation. He did a good job on the previous film and they want him back. It's not like all actors think they're king ****, it's just that they know that they did a good job and like all professions, you get more money when you do a good job. That's business.

And who is a 20 million dollar actor? Our of a many who make that kind of cash, who is?
yea alex saying I will only work for 20 million dollars would be my ego talking. what else would it be? my self respect? and I cant answer all your questions because you throw like 10 arbitrary questions my way with every lame post you make. ive noticed all you do is make crappy comments on what everyone else says; well basically, you suck.

I think you a little TOO into Tobey Maguire. Or maybe you want him to be into you if you know what im saying.

[DorkyFresh]

ive noticed all you do is make crappy comments on what everyone else says;

i've noticed that as well...

[Alex]

Cuaron? Overrated?

Here's Raimi's last four wide releases before Spider-man:

The Gift (2000)
For Love of the Game (1999)
A Simple Plan (1998)
The Quick and the Dead (1995)

70% average on rotten tomatoes.

Here's Cuaron's last 3 wide releases:

Children of Men (2006) - made over 20 critics top ten list
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004) - made over 6 critics top ten list, about the same as SM2
Y Tu Mama Tambien (2002) - made over 27 critics top ten list

90% average in rotten tomatoes

How many directors average 17 critics top ten list for their last 3 movies?

He's been nominated for 3 oscars and has won countless international film awards.

He's also a damn good writer.

If anyone's overrated it's Raimi.
I never said Sam wasn't overrated, but critics are all over Cuaron's nuts and they shouldn't be. As a movie by itself, I like Harry Potter PoA but he doesn't even read source material. Can you imagine what would happen if he made a movie? Fans would be outraged because he probably wouldn't be following the comics at all.

Oscars are more of a who is who of movies, by the way.

[Alex]

yet, you're ignoring that Prizoner of Azkaban is the 2nd favorite HP movie amongst HP fans. i haven't read the book but from what my brother and sis-in-law (HUGE HP fan) tell me, Cuaron stuck pretty close to that book.


as blind_fury ask.....Sam Raimi isn't? you saying Cuaron is overrate is an overstatement. ask your average person who Alfonso Cuaron is and i bet you they've never heard of him. if you hold Alfonso Cuaron in such contempt then you must not like many directors.
Um, no, not really. As just a movie, it's good and I will give him credit for making it darker, but as a book adaptation he ignored a lot of the book, didn't even read it and changed way too many things. And the producers and JK Rowling actually had to tell him not to do certain things.

I meant with critics and movie yuppies.

[Alex]

yea alex saying I will only work for 20 million dollars would be my ego talking. what else would it be? my self respect? and I cant answer all your questions because you throw like 10 arbitrary questions my way with every lame post you make. ive noticed all you do is make crappy comments on what everyone else says; well basically, you suck.

I think you a little TOO into Tobey Maguire. Or maybe you want him to be into you if you know what im saying.
It's nice to see you you need to resort to petty insults to get your point across. If this were any other actor, I'd probably say the same thing. Most people rag on movie stars because they want more money with each project their work on and that's bull****. If you were asking for a raise after a job well done, you'd take it. That's exactly what is going on here. That's the movie business. Just because it's a lot more money doesn't mean it's very different in situations. Just because you want a pay raise doesn't mean you think you're king ****.

[JackBauer]

Um, no, not really. As just a movie, it's good and I will give him credit for making it darker, but as a book adaptation he ignored a lot of the book, didn't even read it and changed way too many things. And the producers and JK Rowling actually had to tell him not to do certain things.

I meant with critics and movie yuppies.

dude, even Lord of the Rings changed a lot of s#!t, and it's considered by many to be one of the best adaptations ever.

and if you look at it from that point of view, of the adaptation, there is A LOT to be pissed about the Spidey movies. but Raimi made the changes he made (and there were a lot) work. most of them, anyway.

[Alex]

dude, even Lord of the Rings changed a lot of s#!t, and it's considered by many to be one of the best adaptations ever.

and if you look at it from that point of view, of the adaptation, there is A LOT to be pissed about the Spidey movies.
I wouldn't know, nor would I ever want to.

There's a total difference. First off, a book adaptation is different from a comic book series adaptation. There are so many stories and so many different versions of stories that they are given some liberty to recreate it a little bit and pick bits and pieces from different source material. Sam was also a comic book fan, too.

Cuaron made a movie about a single book, which he didn't even read and changed a lot of things that didn't need to be changed. As a movie alone, I do admit that I liked the movie a lot and that's the only reason I even bothered to rent Children of Men but I do not think he is anywhere near as good of a director that everyone claims he is.

[Cyrusbales]

Cuaron? where did that come from? The HP film was very basic, Children of men was partially shot in the way it was to be a quicker production and keep costs down, and to be honest, was one of the more disapointing films of last year.

[Alex]

Cuaron? where did that come from? The HP film was very basic, Children of men was partially shot in the way it was to be a quicker production and keep costs down, and to be honest, was one of the more disapointing films of last year.
It was very disappointing. It was so hyped up and everyone was like, oh it's so good, so I thought I'd take a look. I enjoyed Harry Potter even though I wasn't extremely pleased with it so I rented that, got into it for a bit and then just stopped. He had me in and then boom, no more.

[Cyrusbales]

I loathed HP azkaban, I felt it quite insulting as a viewer, and degrading in terms of intelligence, and horrifically unoriginal(I haven't read the books) in both narrative and cinematic terms. Any monkey with a camera could have done the same job.

[JackBauer]

I wouldn't know, nor would I ever want to.

There's a total difference. First off, a book adaptation is different from a comic book series adaptation. There are so many stories and so many different versions of stories that they are given some liberty to recreate it a little bit and pick bits and pieces from different source material. Sam was also a comic book fan, too.

Cuaron made a movie about a single book, which he didn't even read and changed a lot of things that didn't need to be changed. As a movie alone, I do admit that I liked the movie a lot and that's the only reason I even bothered to rent Children of Men but I do not think he is anywhere near as good of a director that everyone claims he is.

I honestly don't see the difference. if we were talking about some retconned stuff, or s#!t so bad it's ignored as it should be, that'd be one thing. but Gwen has always been Peter's first great love. Mary Jane was never the girl next door type at first.

I could go on and on about the basics that Raimi changed for his satisfaction. he changed stuff that didn't need to be changed just as much as Cuaron. and Cuaron wasn't the writer, it was Steve Kloves.

[JackBauer]

I loathed HP azkaban, I felt it quite insulting as a viewer, and degrading in terms of intelligence, and horrifically unoriginal(I haven't read the books) in both narrative and cinematic terms. Any monkey with a camera could have done the same job.

I felt the exact same thing about the first two.

[Overman27pj]

I heard a rumor there was a scene after the credits....anyony confirm???

[Cyrusbales]

there was no scene

[Venom 1988]

I heard a rumor there was a scene after the credits....anyony confirm???

No there isnt any after the credits scene

[Alex]

I honestly don't see the difference. if we were talking about some retconned stuff, or s#!t so bad it's ignored as it should be, that'd be one thing. but Gwen has always been Peter's first great love. Mary Jane was never the girl next door type at first.

I could go on and on about the basics that Raimi changed for his satisfaction. he changed stuff that didn't need to be changed just as much as Cuaron. and Cuaron wasn't the writer, it was Steve Kloves.
The writer is there to pen the script and listen to what the producers and directors want. Don't blame the changes on Kloves.

And yes, I know but you're missing the difference. Comic book storylines are constantly changing so one should expect no different with a comic book movie.

[Alex]

I felt the exact same thing about the first two.
Columbus is a terrible director, though.

[DorkyFresh]

Um, no, not really. As just a movie, it's good and I will give him credit for making it darker, but as a book adaptation he ignored a lot of the book, didn't even read it and changed way too many things. And the producers and JK Rowling actually had to tell him not to do certain things.

I meant with critics and movie yuppies.

so basically...you're not satisfied with an adaptation of a book unless it's over 90% accurate? because the changes done to Prisoner of Azkaban were similar in nature to the changes done to Lord of the Rings (time constraints, leaving out certain moments, changing others to fit a 2 hour movie).

i take it you were disappointed with Jurassic Park as well......it had just as many changes as Prisoner of Azkaban.

[Cyrusbales]

well the LOTR changes were more than just a little, they raped the frickin books, especially in number 2.

[JackBauer]

me, I thought the books were f***in boring, but I can see how it'd piss people off.

[Alex]

so basically...you're not satisfied with an adaptation of a book unless it's over 90% accurate? because the changes done to Prisoner of Azkaban were similar in nature to the changes done to Lord of the Rings (time constraints, leaving out certain moments, changing others to fit a 2 hour movie).

i take it you were disappointed with Jurassic Park as well......it had just as many changes as Prisoner of Azkaban.
No, because I enjoyed Goblet of Fire. I found the changes made were changes hat didn't need to happen. And by the way, at the time, PoA was the longest book yet the shortest movie. Why?

Didn't read that.