Spoilers Ahoy! (Yep. Really.)

[gdw]

With regards to the "sides," when it comes to extras, etc, productions quite often have pages written specifically for casting. Pages in the same vien as the true script, but when dealing with a script they wish to keep hush hush, they will have derived pages that are not right out of the script proper.

[SpinyNorman]

What makes you think he will have applid make up? He puts on make up to blend in, but not to be the joker.

Nothing from the sides or anything I'd consider valid, but there's some guy claiming to be an extra who's insisting that in the bank scene the Joker's makeup is self-applied, only extends about halfway down his neck, and looks pretty goofy.

He doesn't say goofy. He says something like, "it's like someone took a stick of red clown lipstick and put it all over his mouth."

But, to me, that sounds incredibly bad.

I don't believe it, I'm just angry at the very idea of it.

EDIT: I also really, really doubt that an off-the-street extra would be present for the biggest scene in the bank robbery. Most of this movie is so under wraps we barely even know it exists. The shooting seems almost to be designed to keep people from figuring out what's going on.

[NoName86]

I love BOF and I do like Jett, I honestly do. But things like this make me suspicious of him.

Quote, Jett-I also think they are using a twist on the 'ol "Red Hood" storyline.

This was emailed to me today, guy's got a point:

Quote:I am new to your site....The only question I have is why is everybody acting so crazy over the Joker's look? I mean you should see some of those weirdos at IMDB boards on TDK; they're friggin brutal. Shouldnt it be more about the performance than the character's looks? Thats my opinion, anyway.

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And it bothers me because he seems to act like he is perfectly ok with this! Not much eerks me more. Joker applying make up, come on! That is so out of form for Joker. I have yet to see anyone, except Jett, take any liking to the idea. I cannot see Goyer allowing it either, nuh uh, no way sir!

[NoName86]

Let me just mention also that, no, it IS about the look too. And that is all there is to that.

[Cinemaman]

Miranda, thank you for spoilers :up:

I have a question, what connection will Joker have with Scarecrow? :)

[batman44]

I can deal with a cut smile, but putting on the makeup...NO!!!!!!

[Dark Knight]

What makes you think he will have applid make up? He puts on make up to blend in, but not to be the joker.


Self applied makeup to be JOKER....is No Bueno....:o

[JL Unlimited]

Calm down, everyone!!

The only things that the extra told Jett were off observations and assumptions are being made off those observations. The extra only said it looked like the Joker was wearing make-up that he applied on himself. I'm sure if we were there in person and we saw a guy with white make-up we'd say the same thing. In the proper lighting, I'm sure things will come out looking differently in the movie.

The extra also said that Heath had white make-up halfway down his neck. When I read the "sides" for this particular scene, I always pictured a close up of the Joker's face so there would be no need for them to cover Heath with white make-up.

[Dark Knight]

There is a cool manip of Joker that is in the Batman Begins Sequel Art thread right now.....that would be good if used in TDK IMO...

[TheBatman072]

The suit in BB didn't look like Nomex at all. It looked like Kevlar/Carbon-fiber material, hence the line about the "kevlar bi-weave. When I was in the Army as a tank crewmember, we wore Nomex jumpsuits as standard issue, similar to flightsuits in nature. They look like regular cloth, yet are employed for their fire-retardant capability. I think they just wanted to make it technical sounding with real words instead of techno-babble ala Star Trek. Nomex is not waterproof. Gore-Tex is though.


Could have sworn that Lucius Fox said "Nomex Survival Suit for Advanced Infantry" when he pulled the drawer out.

[StorminNorman]

Nothing from the sides or anything I'd consider valid, but there's some guy claiming to be an extra who's insisting that in the bank scene the Joker's makeup is self-applied, only extends about halfway down his neck, and looks pretty goofy.

He doesn't say goofy. He says something like, "it's like someone took a stick of red clown lipstick and put it all over his mouth."

But, to me, that sounds incredibly bad.

I don't believe it, I'm just angry at the very idea of it.

EDIT: I also really, really doubt that an off-the-street extra would be present for the biggest scene in the bank robbery. Most of this movie is so under wraps we barely even know it exists. The shooting seems almost to be designed to keep people from figuring out what's going on.

You need to either change or name or your opinions - because whenever I see a quote from you posted in some other guys post I glance at the name, think it is mine, and when I read it it sounds like something I would say - but I know I never said it and it confuses me :(

[SpinyNorman]

You need to either change or name or your opinions - because whenever I see a quote from you posted in some other guys post I glance at the name, think it is mine, and when I read it it sounds like something I would say - but I know I never said it and it confuses me :(

Welp, I don't have a *****in rad sig. That's one thing.

...wouldn't it be hilarious if I slowly started mimicking everything you did here? Same avatar, same everything?

Actually, that would incredibly sad.

[Shadowflare]

Part of me wishes I had never found this thread, but now that I've read a fair number of spoilers, I can say that my anticipation has never been higher.

But will there be Joker Gas in this movie? Perhaps as Joker's personal take on Crane's fear toxin?

Something else I've wondered about what rating they're shooting for in this movie. I read something awhile back that Christian Bale was pushing to have the movie go for R so they wouldn't have to worry about storytelling restrictions and bring the movie even closer to what's portrayed in the graphic novels. Any word on what's been decided? Or is it just a foregone conclusion that studio execs are insisting on PG-13 to sell more tickets?

[Dark Knight]

Part of me wishes I had never found this thread, but now that I've read a fair number of spoilers, I can say that my anticipation has never been higher.

But will there be Joker Gas in this movie? Perhaps as Joker's personal take on Crane's fear toxin?

Something else I've wondered about what rating they're shooting for in this movie. I read something awhile back that Christian Bale was pushing to have the movie go for R so they wouldn't have to worry about storytelling restrictions and bring the movie even closer to what's portrayed in the graphic novels. Any word on what's been decided? Or is it just a foregone conclusion that studio execs are insisting on PG-13 to sell more tickets?



My god I hope it turns into an R film. That would be the best......WB's would still make the freakin money.....no doubt! It's possible they will film an R rated style movie.....but I'm sure it will be slightly edited to squeeze it into a PG-13. More for the violence, blood and disturbing images than any type of swear words or cussing.

[fabman]

PG-13

...and in an interview from October (I think) Christian Bale said that he'd like to have Batman be PG-13, that he wouldn't like an R rated Batman movie at the moment.

[CConn]

I would honestly not even watch an R-rated Batman movie.

Mainly cause I know only a douche would make an R-rated Batman movie.

[regwec]

Well said!

[Steelsheen]

Something else I've wondered about what rating they're shooting for in this movie. I read something awhile back that Christian Bale was pushing to have the movie go for R so they wouldn't have to worry about storytelling restrictions and bring the movie even closer to what's portrayed in the graphic novels. Any word on what's been decided? Or is it just a foregone conclusion that studio execs are insisting on PG-13 to sell more tickets?
its gonna be PG-13. IIRC Jackson tried to get away with making Return of the King an R so he can put more of the action scenes in but most of the theater managers complained that it would affect the BO returns, so PG-13 it became. same thing's gonna happen with TDK. it just makes more sense money-wise.

[regwec]

You can put more violence than is really tasteful into a PG 13, anyway.

[ToddIsDead]

There is absolutely no reason why a Batman film should be R, unless for some reason someone decided to make DKR. Batman's not a character that's supposed to alienate the kiddies with over the top violence and language and such.

[Katsuro]

Maybe the reason Joker doesn't have white on his neck, but does on his face, is because he's wearing flesh-colored make-up on his neck in the film A lot of people were wondering why Joker would wear a mask to hide his face, yet leave his green hair and his neck exposed. Maybe this is the reason. He puts a mask over his face, a wig for his hair, and flesh make-up on his neck.

Wishful thinking, but I hope that's the explanation.

[Steelsheen]

you know the movie that did better than expected despite the R rating?

300

that movie defied the odds :up:

[ToddIsDead]

That wasn't the first R rated movie to make a lot of money. It didn't really defy any "odds." Making Batman movies PG-13 isn't so much a question of money as it is common sense. Why the hell would a Batman movie need a R rating anyway?

[Dark Knight]

I would honestly not even watch an R-rated Batman movie.

Mainly cause I know only a douche would make an R-rated Batman movie.



That makes no sense......:huh:

[Dark Knight]

you know the movie that did better than expected despite the R rating?

300

that movie defied the odds :up:



MATRIX made a grip of money being an R rated film as well. Constantine did well as an R rated genre film also....along with 300.....

[ToddIsDead]

That makes no sense......:huh:

It makes perfect sense.......:huh:

[General Vulcun]

Hey Miranda, could you pass these questions on to your "friend":

How is Harvey's coin brought into the movie?
Is Harvey's relationship with his dad mentioned?
The scarring of Dent; when does it happen? Who does it?

[Dark Knight]

It makes perfect sense.......:huh:



No time to get into a long debate about this....cause I have already done it many times......but an R rated Chris Nolan Batman film would kick ARSE!! No doubt! :batman:

[DieSmiling]

Actually, 300 would have lost alot of its appeal if it wasn't R. Everyone knew it was going to be ultra-violent and gory. It's the same thing with Live Free or Die Hard -- who isn't disapointed that it's PG-13?

Batman, on the other hand, doesn't need to be R.

[ToddIsDead]

No time to get into a long debate about this....cause I have already done it many times......but an R rated Chris Nolan Batman film would kick ARSE!! No doubt! :batman:

There is no reason that a Batman movie would need an R rating. There is no true and faithful Batman story that couldn't be told within the confines of a PG-13 rating, except for something like DKR, but that's hardly a regular Batman story. Making a Batman movie purposely rated R is doing just that; making it just to be able to say that the new Batman movie is rated R. It would be the same as making Spider-Man or Superman rated R. It's rated R for the sake of being rated R.

[Dark Knight]

There is no reason that a Batman movie would need an R rating. There is no true and faithful Batman story that couldn't be told within the confines of a PG-13 rating, except for something like DKR, but that's hardly a regular Batman story. Making a Batman movie purposely rated R is doing just that; making it just to be able to say that the new Batman movie is rated R. It would be the same as making Spider-Man or Superman rated R. It's rated R for the sake of being rated R.



I just want to see more blood and violence in a Batman film thats all.....

Like when he was fighting multiple times with Ducard/Ra's in Begins......he never has any bruises on the face or blood from scarring etc etc......

[Dark Knight]

Actually, 300 would have lost alot of its appeal if it wasn't R. Everyone knew it was going to be ultra-violent and gory. It's the same thing with Live Free or Die Hard -- who isn't disapointed that it's PG-13?

Batman, on the other hand, doesn't need to be R.



Yeah....it doesn't need to be...but it would be awesome if it was. It would allow the filmakers to not hold back anything if they wish.

[sasquatchs]

I'm more concerned about the tone and pandering to certain demographics than the rating. Nolan already got the love interest forced on him, and stage 3 Scarecrow was abandoned, for whatever reason. There was also that report that Joker had to be scaled back to something more standard.

[SwordOfRas617]

There is no reason that a Batman movie would need an R rating. There is no true and faithful Batman story that couldn't be told within the confines of a PG-13 rating, except for something like DKR, but that's hardly a regular Batman story. Making a Batman movie purposely rated R is doing just that; making it just to be able to say that the new Batman movie is rated R. It would be the same as making Spider-Man or Superman rated R. It's rated R for the sake of being rated R.
Go read Arkham Asylum and then tell me if that can be made into a rated PG-13 movie. Yes... It doesn't have to be. But if you want to get to the core of Batman and Joker's characters, they are rated R. Anything else just makes it that much closer to a spiderman or a superman movie, which are not even close to the Bat's darkness.

[ToddIsDead]

I just want to see more blood and violence in a Batman film thats all.....

Like when he was fighting multiple times with Ducard/Ra's in Begins......he never has any bruises on the face or blood from scarring etc etc......

Why? What would be the point of that? This isn't the Punisher.

[Juanigi]

Wow Miranda, everything sounds great.

The Joker under Scarecrow's fear gas, eh? I wonder...
http://robertmonroe.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/tegneserie2.JPG

A possibility?http://www.mywasteofspace.com/joker.gif

[Steelsheen]

That wasn't the first R rated movie to make a lot of money. It didn't really defy any "odds." Making Batman movies PG-13 isn't so much a question of money as it is common sense. Why the hell would a Batman movie need a R rating anyway?
you can get more violence in, more "cool Batman stuff" and other storylines/ action sequences that would usually thrill the adult movie goer but scare the kiddies away.

300 defied the odds because it came from a relatively unknown comic mini-series (unknown to the general public and even some comic communities) and that it came from a relatively unknown director and no big stars amongst its cast. add to that the R rating that effectively narrowed down your market to a little more than half. to me those are quite some odds to get around IMHO.


MATRIX made a grip of money being an R rated film as well. Constantine did well as an R rated genre film also....along with 300.....

well those did have Keanu, that certainly added a bit more butts in the seats. who's the most popular fellow in the 300 cast? the guy who played Faramir who was barely recognizable anyway.

[Steelsheen]

double trouble

[ToddIsDead]

Go read Arkham Asylum and then tell me if that can be made into a rated PG-13 movie. Yes... It doesn't have to be. But if you want to get to the core of Batman and Joker's characters, they are rated R. Anything else just makes it that much closer to a spiderman or a superman movie, which are not even close to the Bat's darkness.

Let me get this straight, Batman and Joker are inherently R rated characters? I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Batman was a psychotic masked murder who went around decapitating criminals, or that Joker laughs while raping dead babies and kicking puppies. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing about Batman that says it has to be drowned in brutal violence. The characters can be pushed in that direction, sure. Arkham Asylum is a great story, but it's hardly the corner stone of Batman mythology. Even Grant Morrison himself never wrote Batman like that again. Arkham Asylum and DKR are extreme takes on the character. They aren't representative of the character as a whole.

[Miranda Fox]

I've again edited the first post to include a very sound debunking of Jett's info. I suggest you check that out as it does include a little more about the Joker's look.

About the cut-smile or whatever the disfigurement is - that's still up in the air and if some other people on the internet are to be believed, it isn't going to happen at all per WB actually wanting children to see this film. So lets see what happens.

JStorm is absolutely right when he says this is all hearsay until 2008. ;) :oldrazz:

[Fenrir]

http://www.mywasteofspace.com/joker.gif

Where's that from?

[Juanigi]

an arkham asylum fan trailer someone mentioned

http://www.miguelmesas.com/international/arkham-download.htm

it's in spanish, but subtitled

[Steelsheen]

thanks for that update Miranda!

[gdw]

http://www.mywasteofspace.com/joker.gif
Where's that from?


Ditto that.

[Miranda Fox]

thanks for that update Miranda!

No problem.

I'm amused Jett put up the snippet about the Joker being more like Bermejo's than the classic look though.

[Keyser Sushi]

I don't even drink and now I want to get seriously drunk...

Yeah, I just read BOF and I feel... disturbed too.

I don't want Joker to be some makeup wearin' fool. That's... not right. :dry:

[TheBatman072]

an arkham asylum fan trailer someone mentioned

http://www.miguelmesas.com/international/arkham-download.htm

it's in spanish, but subtitled


Whoa! That's one of the best fan-films I've ever seen! Very surreal, just like the book.

That's up there with Grayson.

[Lobster Charlie]

I wouldn't mind it being rated R. As if R alienated the kiddies---I'm probably older than most people posting here, and I watched plenty of R-rated films as a kid. Quite frankly, action films have been seriously hurting ever since PG-13 became the norm.

[Rainer7]

an arkham asylum fan trailer someone mentioned

http://www.miguelmesas.com/international/arkham-download.htm

it's in spanish, but subtitled

Wow that was awesome.

[Miranda Fox]

Yeah, I just read BOF and I feel... disturbed too.

I don't want Joker to be some makeup wearin' fool. That's... not right. :dry:

Read my edit on the first post. It's bullcrap.

[TheBatman072]

Oh, and a question about that fan-film. If I download it, will it be the same as the trailer I saw on the page? Or will it be "full-length?"

[sglass03]

Great job again, Miranda! You are a gift from heaven with these updates!

Regarding your current info, I've always suspected that Joker's face would mirror what Bettany looked like in "Da Vinci Code" as Silas. I thought that was very well done, and was part of the reason I wanted Bettany as Joker (well, that, and "Gangster No. 1.") I don't think the audience will mistake him as an albino, though, as long as it's not suggested as such.

And regarding a few other things on this thread:

1. Someone asked a while back if "Joker Gas" would be used, or "Smilex," or whatever it's called. In Batman #1, Joker actually administers the serum via a hypodermic needle, so it's not in gas form. Even in the "Laughing Fish" and "Joker's Five-Way Revenge" stories years later, it's implied that it's in some sort of chemical form (a man unknowingly drinks it in one scene because it's been placed in his water.) I think even the original Joker story in Batman #1 intimated that Joker had some sort of chemistry expertise and thus could devise his own drug. Joker appears to be a mastermind in Nolan's version, I wouldn't be surprised if this is adapted, too.

(I'd imagine that Nolan would take this route, anyway, since using gas again would mirror "Begins" too closely.)

2. In regards to Jett, and no offense to him, but he tends to accept everything as a "great idea." Everything that comes along through the BOF rumor page seems to be "fine" with him, I have no idea why. Either he's trying to be diplomatic, or he has very low standards of being entertained (I think it's the former.)

[Juanigi]

Oh, and a question about that fan-film. If I download it, will it be the same as the trailer I saw on the page? Or will it be "full-length?"it's just the same, unfortunately!

[Keyser Sushi]

Read my edit on the first post. It's bullcrap.

Yeah, that's what I thought, but... if it's bullcrap, how come he updated today and didn't retract/correct it? In fact he's posting that bullcrap as though it's a sure thing.

It's... distressing.

[Van Petrol]

Miranda I was wondering if you could ask your source if theres any mention of Montoya or possibly Bullock in TDK. What with the sides and the casting call on LR a while back.

[gdw]

What is with everyone using "intimated" ???

[Miranda Fox]

Yeah, that's what I thought, but... if it's bullcrap, how come he updated today and didn't retract/correct it? In fact he's posting that bullcrap as though it's a sure thing.

It's... distressing.

I...do not have an answer for that, sorry.

Miranda I was wondering if you could ask your source if theres any mention of Montoya or possibly Bullock in TDK. What with the sides and the casting call on LR a while back.

I'll ask. ;)

[CConn]

That makes no sense......:huh:
I am getting so tired of explaining myself to lessers...

No, it makes no sense in the context that an R-rated interpretation of Batman is perfectly valid. However, I was throwing out that context. Basically saying that an R-rated Batman movie would be a bad interpretation of Batman. While, I will admit, that statement is a bit overboard (obviously, if they were making an adaptation of DKR or AA, or anything like that, I'd be fully for an R-rating), it does more or less convey my feelings that, in generally, Batman isn't R-rated material, and doesn't need to have the elements to make an R-rated movie. Simply, a PG-13 Batman movie can be completely faithful to (most of) the source. Which, obviously, wouldn't be true for some other, more...adult, characters.

[ToddIsDead]

Exactly.

[Miranda Fox]

I've added new info to the first post about the Joker's clothing and Batman's new suit.

[Agentsands77]

I've added new info to the first post about the Joker's clothing and Batman's new suit.
It all sounds great. I hope your source is good, because man, if this stuff isn't true... well... :csad:

[sasquatchs]

:up: Well that's going to make alot of people happy

Is your source up to doing a review? It'd be great to get a better idea of the film's tone, progression of Batman's skills etc

[TheBatman072]

Damn double post.

[TheBatman072]

I've added new info to the first post about the Joker's clothing and Batman's new suit.


God, if all this is true, I am one happy ****ing Bat-Fan!


Not TOO sure about changing the Bat-Suit, but the changes sound good!

[Bond]

WOW. A purple suit during the Fear Gas scene? That's going to be incredible.

[TheBatman072]

WOW. A purple suit during the Fear Gas scene? That's going to be incredible.


I think it means that the suit is already purple, but it'll be MORE purple while someone is under the fear gas.

[Miranda Fox]

WOW. A purple suit during the Fear Gas scene? That's going to be incredible.

:up:

I really do hope I'm not being played for a fool here. The way I see it - there are people on this very board who will have a fair idea of whose info is correct or not and I invite them to come forward. It would be nice to just know, you know?

More updates added to the first page. :)

[Boom]

If The Joker applies makeup to himself, I'm going to have serious doubts about this movie.

It indicates to me that Nolan dropped the ball, big time.

[Van Petrol]

:up:

I really do hope I'm not being played for a fool here. The way I see it - there are people on this very board who will have a fair idea of whose info is correct or not and I invite them to come forward. It would be nice to just know, you know?

More updates added to the first page. :)

Thanks for that Miranda! :up:

[Miranda Fox]

If The Joker applies makeup to himself, I'm going to have serious doubts about this movie.

It indicates to me that Nolan dropped the ball, big time.

I agree with you completely. It's a stupid idea.

God, I hope my guy is legit...:csad:

[Miranda Fox]

Thanks for that Miranda! :up:

No probs!

[Boom]

Seriously, I don't know what to believe at this point.

I don't want a Joker that doesn't have the classic characteristics (green hair, BLEACHED skin, red lips).
I don't want a Joker who applies makeup to himself.
I don't want a carved smile.

Everything I've been hearing recently has me worried, bad.

[Van Petrol]

I'm not really feeling the idea of the Joker being more in line with the Bermejo look. It seems tasteless and stupid.....

[Miranda Fox]

I'm not really feeling the idea of the Joker being more in line with the Bermejo look. It seems tasteless and stupid.....

I'll ask for some clarification on that point. I don't believe he meant it in the context that it would look the same, just that that was the concept it was most 'like.' Those are not quite the same things.

[Van Petrol]

I'll ask for some clarification on that point. I don't believe he meant it in the context that it would look the same, just that that was the concept it was most 'like.' Those are not quite the same things.

I can understand that. But I don't see whay they would go for something even remotely similar to that look. Simply put its horrible and a bit far fetched from the clasic Joker.

[TheBatman072]

God, I hope this stuff is true.

[NoName86]

I think people took the Bermejo thing a bit too literally. Like that darn Batman and his Theatricality :D Anyways, I'm almost compelled to think that Nolan got sick of the hard rubber Bat-suit, and wanted a Batman that is a bit more mobile and can fight and do all types of stuff without turning his body, and I think it is fresh to finally do something a bit different than the past 5....well, since the first one actually. Let me tell you, I'm with you Miranda on the hoping that your source is legit, cause this news is wonderous. The Joker seen under fear toxin, huh! One thing is for sure, we are in for a wild ride this next year.

[Abaddon]

sounds pretty good.

[Boom]

Is it too much to ask for a Joker that looks like DeFett's manip :csad:?

[sasquatchs]

Renee :wow:

Maybe she's Gordon's new partner? I must be the only one that likes the gash idea, hurting his vanity would piss the Joker off no end.

[TheBatman072]

Is it too much to ask for a Joker that looks like DeFett's manip :csad:?


Why not something like this?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/Hellboy072/Batman%20Begins/jokerbermejomanip2copyar4.jpg

[NoName86]

It could very well look like either one, we don't know enough really to say WHAT it looks like.

[Miranda Fox]

Is it too much to ask for a Joker that looks like DeFett's manip :csad:?

*shrug* We'll see.

[Agentsands77]

I think the gash idea is a good one, as long as it isn't too extreme (and it won't be... we've already had rumors to the effect that Nolan had to really tone his vision for the Joker down). It gives a great starting catalyst to the Batman/Joker rivalry, and I can see it building from there.

[Miranda Fox]

I think the gash idea is a good one, as long as it isn't too extreme (and it won't be... we've already had rumors to the effect that Nolan had to really tone his vision for the Joker down). It gives a great starting catalyst to the Batman/Joker rivalry, and I can see it building from there.

Indeed. As sasquatchs pointed out - even though the Joker is a freak, he thinks he looks great so any kind of scarring (and my guy never said it created a smile) is terribly insulting to him. That's perfectly in character.

[TheBatman072]

Indeed. As sasquatchs pointed out - even though the Joker is a freak, he thinks he looks great so any kind of scarring (and my guy never said it created a smile) is terribly insulting to him. That's perfectly in character.


Maybe the gash doesn't cause the smile, but it DOES piss Joker off and starts the Batman/Joker rivalry? Since Joker IS a very vain.

[Miranda Fox]

Maybe the gash doesn't cause the smile, but it DOES piss Joker off and starts the Batman/Joker rivalry? Since Joker IS a very vain.

That's what I took it to mean, yeah.

[TheBatman072]

That's what I took it to mean, yeah.


It just seems more or less physically impossible for a wire to be cut, sling back and hit somebody in the face as to where it looks like a widened smile.

[AndrewGilkison]

There are plenty of other ways for Batman to really piss Joker off. I am not sure why they would want to give Joker a big scar on his face (he's freakish and Dick Tracy villain-ish enough).

[Silver Souper]

hey miranda- sorry i've been away to miss your great thread but work's been stupid busy. lots of what you've posted is exciting, but yeah add me to the skeptics who aren't happy about this cut scar, especially MAKEUP-APPLYING joker. yikes. hope it's not true.

great work on the scoop though

off to read more :)

[The Only Woj]

the BOF news is interesting (re: Joker's look). lets hope WB has balls and doesn't release any pictures.

[TheBatman072]

There are plenty of other ways for Batman to really piss Joker off. I am not sure why they would want to give Joker a big scar on his face (he's freakish and Dick Tracy villain-ish enough).


Well, from what we've been told, it would just be an accident. Joker's trying to escape on the zipline, Batman throws a batarang, trying to stop Joker. The batarang hits the zipline, cutting. The end flings back and hits Joker in the face, creating a huge gash on his face. And since Joker is very vain, he'd think of it as "Batman ruined my perfect face!" Joker then starts to develop an obsession and bloodlusting hatred for Batman.

[The Only Woj]

Well, from what we've been told, it would just be an accident. Joker's trying to escape on the zipline, Batman throws a batarang, trying to stop Joker. The batarang hits the zipline, cutting. The end flings back and hits Joker in the face, creating a huge gash on his face. And since Joker is very vain, he'd think of it as "Batman ruined my perfect face!" Joker then starts to develop an obsession and bloodlusting hatred for Batman.

that too is my understand given the information ... if that information is indeed accurate.

[tamron]

Hey Miranda, has your source given you any info about Maroni's role in the film?

[TheBatman072]

that too is my understand given the information ... if that information is indeed accurate.


I kind of like that idea, you know? It could slowly drive him completely insane.


AND it could even show the timeline. Like, over a period of time, it could completely heal up. But by that time, Joker is COMPLETELY obsessed with Batman.

[SilentType]

This scoop stuff is getting ridiculous. I don't think there has been a single scoop (other than actual set pics and script sides) that has panned out yet. That doesn’t surprise me. What surprises me is that every single one still manages to stir up some kind of uproar.

[NoName86]

Was it like this during filming of Begins?

[SilentType]

I remember there was quite a bit of speculation about the look of scarecrow and batman, but on begins we got a script review. I don’t remember what it was like before that.

[Mr. Socko]

So he gets a chalk white face and green hair by being gashed...

He doesn't wear his vintage look...

Only wears a purple jacket in once scene...

Has minions...

Is The Joker when the movie begins but doesn't have the chalk white face when the movie begins...wtf :confused:

This news is disturbing. But the rest sounds good.

[CConn]

So he gets a chalk white face and green hair by being gashed...

He doesn't wear his vintage look...

Only wears a purple jacket in once scene...

Has minions...

Is The Joker when the movie begins but doesn't have the chalk white face when the movie begins...wtf :confused:

This news is disturbing. But the rest sounds good.
You misunderstood a good 80% of that.

[Mr. Socko]

What did I misunstd?

[Mr. Socko]

Just read it again, The Joker is f***in gashed while swinging on a zip line, wtf am I misunderstanding

[sasquatchs]

His hair and face colour aren't caused by the gash, they're there from the start

[Schlosser85]

No one said he gets a chalk white face and green hair by being gashed, as a matter of fact, Miranda's source says he has white skin and green hair from the beginning.

[Mr. Socko]

Oh ok, thanks.


What's the point of the gash then?

[Agentsands77]

Oh ok, thanks.


What's the point of the gash then?
It makes him pissed at Batman, and starts their antagonistic relationship.

[CConn]

Just read it again, The Joker is f***in gashed while swinging on a zip line, wtf am I misunderstanding
Yeah, he gets gashed, he doesn't "get white skin and green hair" because of it.

He says he where's purple at one point. That could be anything from a single scene to an entire act.

I don't even know where you got "when the movie begins but doesn't have the chalk white face when the movie begins" from.

They've been saying he doesn't have his vintage look for months. Probably even a year. And, I think, it's pretty obvious to us all Heath won't be looking like Jack Nicholson Part 2. That's what they mean by vintage look.

[Schlosser85]

I have a couple questions for Miranda:

1. Does your friend have any idea if The Joker is going to be in the third movie?

2. Does he have any information about if Flass and Commissioner Loeb will still have roles?

[peteagassi]

I think, leaving the Joker's origin unexplained is a brilliant idea! It keeps the mystery and specialness of the character alive. It makes him even scarier. Think Hannibal Lecter, in Silence of The Lambs.....They didn't really explain how he turned out to be so crazy. That makes the character scarier....a lack of information! LOVE IT!!! 2008 IS GONNA RULE!!

[Jager X]

If the joker has a carved smile in any amount of comparison to the bermejo drawing then I will lose all respect for Nolan. Speaking of Lee Bermejo, his version of the joker is so unoriginal imo. He thinks he can slide in charecteristics from other characters like the crow (the scars over his eyes and lips) and not be called on it.

[U.N.Owen]

I'm thinking the gash will be on the side of his face, so when seen from the shadows or in dim light, it will look like his smile is huge. But seeing his face straight up, it will just look like a huge scar.

[Mr. Socko]

The person who sent this info, what's their job on TDK film?

[TheBatman072]

Man, I am getting more and more excited for this movie!


And it's still a year away! Gah!

[Masteroms33]

there are 2 berjimo pics of the joker...the one with the cutt smile in black and white...then the picture of the joker in color with red lips, white skin, green hair ect.

which one are you referring to?

[The Only Woj]

The person who sent this info, what's their job on TDK film?

I not reveal his identity nor speculate about his connection to the production.

a smart move by Mira

[sglass03]

I'm thinking they're referring to the second Bermejo pic, where he's pulling the smile back on the gangster at the table. This version is still very Joker-ish, but all the colors on the Joker have been toned down and darkened, which seems like something Nolan would do. Just as Miranda's source indicates, the purple won't be the bright version from the comics - we'll probably see something dark and very claret-looking, like a blood-purple look. Instead of bright red lips, we get darker ruby lips - instead of bright green hair, we get darker, green-tinged hair. Everything's been "realified" and toned down, at least that's how I interpret it. Just compare the reports of "grayish," albino-like skin rumors versus the cake-white makeup Jack wore and you get the idea.

The first Bermejo pic is too extreme - not only is it distracting and unpractical, it's also very cliched, and probably too graphic for a PG-13 film. If it was Nolan's preference to begin with, then for once, I'm glad WB reigned him in.

[wikum]

there are only two things i believe about this film so far.

the sides.

the photos of the shoot.

everything else is just speculation and speculation almost always turns out to be 25% real 75% b.u.l.l.****.

my source says this and my source says that is not good enough for me... by no means am i degrading anyones efforts for getting this info, but sooo much fake **** is swarming this film that it makes me believe that nothing is for real....except for the stuff i can't question like the pics of the shoot.

[Katsuro]

there are 2 berjimo pics of the joker...the one with the cutt smile in black and white...then the picture of the joker in color with red lips, white skin, green hair ect.

which one are you referring to?

Both pictures by Bermijo were black and white and had a carved smile. One of them, however, was slightly edited by someone on these boards. It was colored in, and the cut smile was removed.

[batmaluco]

Considering that most of those information (from BOF and other sources) are mutually excluding, as they contradicts each other, the only thing that we have 100% sure is that a lot of people are playing with us. :o :woot:

[Batty Belfry]

Considering that most of those information (from BOF and other sources) are mutually excluding, as they contradicts each other, the only thing that we have 100% sure is that a lot of people are playing with us. :o :woot:

Would you believe there are still people arguing at imdb about whether or not that Conrad Veidt pic is real or not? I'm serious. Some keep insisting it's Ledger.

[CConn]

" 'Christian Bale has an enormous cock.' - Michael Caine"

did he ever actually say that!?No.

But he did say Hugh Jackman has a great body.

[batmaluco]

Would you believe there are still people arguing at imdb about whether or not that Conrad Veidt pic is real or not? I'm serious. Some keep insisting it's Ledger.
IMDB is a good source of involuntary comedy. :D

[Super Kal]

eh, not impressed with the Bermejo approach... and neither with a lighter gray. I mean, is the whole suit a lighter gray, or are there parts that are still black?

[nickyg641]

What exactly does "almost albino" mean?

[TheBatman072]

What exactly does "almost albino" mean?


Extremely pale.


I looked up a few pictures on google of Paul Bettany as the albino monk and in MOST of the pictures, he's pink.

[StylishHokie21]

Thanks for the info Miranda! I'm not sure if I'm liking that look, but we'll see.

[nickyg641]

MOST of the pictures, he's pink.
That's sort of white confuses me. Most albinos are actually pinkish, due to their skins sensitivity to light I think.

But I guess, yeah, it just refers to extremely pail skin. I'm hoping, though, that he's lighter than just "extremely pale".

[Nepenthes]

On thing this thread has confirmed for me.....is that half the posters here aren't worth reading. Thank you, kind thread.


Indeed. As sasquatchs pointed out - even though the Joker is a freak, he thinks he looks great so any kind of scarring (and my guy never said it created a smile) is terribly insulting to him. That's perfectly in character.

I heartily agree, this is the only way 'cut smile' makes sense.

You're doing a fine job Miranda keep the tidbits coming! :heart:


the BOF news is interesting (re: Joker's look). lets hope WB has balls and doesn't release any pictures.

Me too I hope WB holds off for another 3-5 months at least. If anything just release a teaser shot that doesn't really show much at all. There's plenty of stuff to reveal before putting a complete Joker image out there. Keep winding up the suspense.

[Thespiralgoeson]

The new Batsuit, again, i've not seen any sketches or designs for the new suit, but I hear it's almost fabric-y, and lighter in tone, almost grey. There was a poster mocked up before Begins came out a couple of years ago, of a batsuit that was kinda 'fabric chainmail'. I think that's a close indication of how the new suit will appear.

This is all very, very encouraging to me.

[hannya]

On thing this thread has confirmed for me.....is that half the posters here aren't worth reading. Thank you, kind thread.


Then you'd better make sure YOURS are interesting. One thing your post has confirmed for me is that some posters on this thread need to do something about their egos.

[Batman jr.]

I just wanna see the Joker, and quick!

[Nepenthes]

Then you'd better make sure YOURS are interesting. One thing your post has confirmed for me is that some posters on this thread need to do something about their egos.

You just clued on to that eh? :cwink:

It's not necessarily egos that get me though, but you're right I suppose it's all part and parcel of an internet superhero message board so really I can't complain. Excuse my grumpy moods blah blah blah.

[mad-sci]

Okay, Okay. The old thread is closed, and I argued about whether or not to post this here (though I doubt it's true), but that IMDB reviewer posted some excerpts from the script - nothing earth-shattering, but some interesting clips. It's the Joker info that seems weird. If its fake, I'll admit it's fake...

Page 67 - Gotham Resovoir - Earlier I said that the fan-made one was very similar to the page. It is.

Batman and The Joker are on the roof. Once more there's around four paragraphs worth of info. But you don't need to read it to understand it.

The Joker

Why hello there Batman.

After these words are said, he turns from the ledge over-looking Gotham to see Batman (Bruce Wayne) in his new suit. Which is upgraded.

Batman

You've been killing innocent people.

The Joker

Is that the way you see it? Not I. Not I at all. I see it as a tribute to Gotham more than a sacriface.

Batman

They were innocent people. You didn't have to kill them. They had families.

The Joker

I had a family. Well, not really, but you get the gist of it! Batman. Do you fail to see whats underneath the Gotham? Well I don't. Think of me more as a savior than your enemy.

Batman

You robbed the bank, you killed five people. Five innocent people.

The Joker

Oh grow up Bats. You as well as I know that people die. Its life. Though I must say, if a man dressed in a bat suit fails to see death. That worries me very much.




Thats the end of page 67. As you can see, there's firm Joker dialog. As í've said many times before, his dialog is very well written.

Page 79 - I've skipped to pages that would be juicer for alot more people. Page 79 has a meeting between Lt.Gordon and Batman.



Lt.Gordon is standing on the same rooftop we saw at the end of BB, not exactly the same, but I say this because it gives you a good idea of what rooftop there standing on.


Batman swoops over the rooftop. He lands, looking at Lt.Gordon.

Lt.Gordon

He did it. He actually did it.

Batman

I know.

Lt.Gordon

No, I don't think you do. Your trying to catch this Joker type person is reflecting bad on all of Gotham. You're wrecking this city for no cause.

Batman

I've almost caught him. He's bound to make a misstep. You have to trust me on this. You have to.

Lt.Gordon

Tommorow night. Here.

But, Batman has dissapeared once more. Just as Lt.Gordon says ''Tommorow Night'' Batman is already gone.

Lt.Gordon

He really needs to stop doing that.



Thats the end of that scene, of course I'm giving you all dialog and barely any action as the page is much longer, but thats because of the spacing, and detailed paragraphs.



Page 54 - Harvey Dent is sitting alone in his office, Once more a brief description I am giving you. Rachel Dawes enters.


Rachel

If there's something on the Joker you know and I don't. You need to tell me.

Harvey

Hey, hey. Last I checked that office door had Harvey Dent written on the cover glass. Most people knock. I'd believe that to be called respect. But, no worries I'm not going over anything in here.

Rachel

Do you know anything?

Harvey

I'm District Attorney. I'm the one who doesn't have to answer to my assistant. Yes, I do have to fill you in on some things when the need arises. But, for now there is no need and nothing has arised.

Rachel

Look before you came here, I was here and I'm not abo-

-- (To cut someone off)

Harvey

--About to let someone like me ruin Gotham? So far I've won three cases for Gotham. No harm really done here, and to answer your question in which was a tone I'm not to fond of, no I don't know much about The Joker. I'm on the same level as you.

Harvey (Contd)

Now If we're done here Ms. Dawes, I'd really like to finish what I started.



Page 32 - Alright everyone. Last page. This is a small description on the Bank Robbery scene.

The Bank Robbery happens towards late morning. Heath Ledger is The Joker, otherwise known as ''Bumpy''.



According to the poster, "during the first 45 pages. He [Joker] does have make-up on, applied by himself. But when he's scarred. The make-up permanently stays on."



AND "Sal Maroni is viscous in this script. Hence my *LIGHT* R. I'm pretty sure Chris Nolan would push for a light R. Considering the parts in this script. The Joker does kill 5-7 people. "



If it's true, not bad. If not...no harm, no foul.

[StorminNorman]

Extremely pale.


I looked up a few pictures on google of Paul Bettany as the albino monk and in MOST of the pictures, he's pink.

Oh my God, you just mentioned Paul Bettany in a Joker thread.

Whats your address so I can mail you the sex?

[Nepenthes]

Ha ha that dialogue is fake as fu*k. He thinks it's well written cos he wrote it himself :whatever:

[hannya]

If it's true, not bad. If not...no harm, no foul.

No harm except the grievous injury inflicted on the English language.
Harvey Dent saying "no worries"? Is this Batman or a straight-to-video Australian surfer flick?
Christ on a bike. If he was going to fake it he could have at least had his Mum write it for him.
"You did WHAT??? Right, you can forget about that Venom figure you wanted."

[Batman jr.]

That dialogue sounds amazing...



Amazingly silly. This can't be real, omg.

[Agentsands77]

If it's true, not bad. If not...no harm, no foul.
It's clearly not true. In the sides, it's indicated that the Joker has killed 4 or 5 (I can't remember the number) of a random guard's friends alone. Which means he's killed a lot more people.

And furthermore, the dialogue is so made-up, it's not even funny. "You've been killing innocent people" - Thanks, Captain Obvious. "Nothing has arised" - apparently Dent's grammar is as bad as that poster's.

[hannya]

It's clearly not true. In the sides, it's indicated that the Joker has killed 4 or 5 (I can't remember the number) of a random guard's friends alone. Which means he's killed a lot more people.

And furthermore, the dialogue is so made-up, it's not even funny. "You've been killing innocent people" - Thanks, Captain Obvious.

I actually want to see his version of the movie now. Mike Myers as the Joker.
Batman: "You've been killing innocent people."
Joker: "That's SO unfair!"
Cue dance number with lots of chicks dressed as bats.

[Anita18]

That's sort of white confuses me. Most albinos are actually pinkish, due to their skins sensitivity to light I think.
When you're albino, it doesn't actually mean you're literally white. It means that you lack the pigment melanin in your "outer surface," so to say. So naturally the color of the blood vessels would show through the skin as pink, the hair is white, and the eyes are blue or even pink.

And that is your daily science bat lesson. :oldrazz:

[Steelsheen]

I actually want to see his version of the movie now. Mike Myers as the Joker.
Batman: "You've been killing innocent people."
Joker: "That's SO unfair!"
Cue dance number with lots of chicks dressed as bats.

i can actually see this in my head :D

[Nepenthes]

And furthermore, the dialogue is so made-up, it's not even funny.

this bit's a ripper....

"he turns from the ledge over-looking Gotham to see Batman (Bruce Wayne) in his new suit. Which is upgraded."

Batman is Bruce Wayne in a new suit. Which is upgraded!

[Anita18]

Ha ha that dialogue is fake as fu*k. He thinks it's well written cos he wrote it himself :whatever:
Ugh, I've lost some brain cells reading that dialogue, that's for sure. Oh, my head...

[Steelsheen]

thanks for these additional updates Miranda! :up:

Regarding the new batsuit:

The new Batsuit, again, i've not seen any sketches or designs for the new suit, but I hear it's almost fabric-y, and lighter in tone, almost grey. There was a poster mocked up before Begins came out a couple of years ago, of a batsuit that was kinda 'fabric chainmail'. I think that's a close indication of how the new suit will appear.

heyyy, i remember seeing a manip like that in these boards, couldnt remember the artist though, but it did look damn good. but from what i can recall right now Bale has got to be in at least as good a shape as he was in BB to look good in that costume. and from the recent sightings of him, it doesnt look like he has hit the gym just yet.


Regarding the Joker's character:

Very much so. I think the image is spot on for Nolans' vision, and the character is exactly how it should be portrayed, tragic, funny and completely psychotic, sometimes all in the same scene.

yeah i can see Ledger being able to pull this off nicely.


Regarding Bullock and Montoya and their possible inclusion:

Montoya, yes, Bullock no.
wow, so Montoya is in? thats nice.

[Batman2008]

Thanks Miranda for the great news!!!

[StorminNorman]

I am glad they took out Bullock - I mean they already have Flask - and they way they are writing him, he practically is Bullock without the name

[sasquatchs]

Did we ever pin down who that vicious cop was in the sides? Isn't Flass a mumbling vegetable now like Falcone?

[neobido9999]

I can't reconcile this:

1. Joker robs a bank
2. Whilst in the bank, the bank manager is shocked by his face
3. Joker escapes form the bank and gets scarred (see 2)



So the bank manager's afraid of white facepaint?

[neobido9999]

I can't reconcile this:

1. Joker robs a bank
2. Whilst in the bank, the bank manager is shocked by his face
3. Joker escapes form the bank and gets scarred (see 2)



So the bank manager's afraid of white facepaint?

[neobido9999]

I can't reconcile this:

1. Joker robs a bank
2. Whilst in the bank, the bank manager is shocked by his face
3. Joker escapes form the bank and gets scarred (see 2)



So the bank manager's afraid of white facepaint?

[neobido9999]

oops sorry triple post
damn connection

[superkong 500]

Great fabricky suit I wonder how will it look. Iam guessing more like spandex really spandex with a rich texture to it. something like the material they used for the superman suit maybe but a bit thicker. Iam not liking the grey idea though, I hope its just either a misunderstanding or that the lighter is just a bit lighter and not actually grey.

[batman7289]

great find miranda

[memphissuperman]

If the Dark Knight is headed the way those spoilers sounds it will be the best Batman movie PERIOD!

And just for note Begins imo is by far the best true Batman movie but sounds like DK is going to top it!

I hope the Superman guys/team are taking notes on how to stay true to the comics but yet not make it so chessy!

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

Superman was classy film, at least i think it was..a grown up move as well, they gave superman new dimensions to explore.

[Miranda Fox]

Updated the original post with info about Harvey's coin.

[L.A.]

I swear miranda your the "itisbatgirl" of the batfourms!!!! Only difference your not a *****!

[regwec]

Well done, as always, Miranda. I may be a pessimist, but the more a source offers, the less I believe. We shall have to wait and see.

[Steelsheen]

Updated the original post with info about Harvey's coin.

nice! thanks.

[ultimatefan]

Thanks a lot Miranda, you rule us all!

[Compi716]

ARGH!!!

There are so many damned conflicting sources!

Now, onto my thoughts:

The "carved" (or scarred) smile: I like it...sort of. On one hand, it visually adds to the character, and adds some real psychotic edge. On the other hand, it sort of ruins the Joker. The Joker that I've always loved had no forced smile. He could smile, frown, get angry, etc. The animated series has always had the best interpretation of this. THAT is that Joker I know.

The pale skin: Right on. It's something that makes sense in Nolan's world. Bleached white skin by chemicals isn't as logical in the "real world" that Nolan & Co. have created.

The green hair: Same has above.

Purple clothes: Don't really care so much about this aspect. From what Miranda said about the purple coat, though, I'm liking the direction that they're headed in.

The Joker: The character, from what we've heard so far, is in my opinion, SPOT ON. I'm loving everything I'm hearing. Props to the Nolans and Goyer.

Basically, I'm so freaking PUMPED for The Dark Knight! Man, it's going to rock!

...Forgot to mention the bit about Dent's coin. One word: YES!

[Orko Is King]

MIRANDA, knowing what you know now, would you still say the Joker looks like this or something different?

http://photos-388.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v72/182/21/19907899/n19907899_30689388_7081.jpg

[Miranda Fox]

MIRANDA, knowing what you know now, would you still say the Joker looks like this or something different?

http://photos-388.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v72/182/21/19907899/n19907899_30689388_7081.jpg

I think that could be pretty accurate, yeah.

Actually, I suppose I have the opportunity to investigate Ani-mater's claims about this being a freelance job for WB. I'll see what I can get.

[Ender Durden]

seriously, i dont know how nolan's team could top that. it's perfect.

[IamtheBatman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/robin91939/jokerbermejomanip2copyar4.jpg

Hmm I would like to see this Joker.

[Juanigi]

I hope the scarring/cutting just adds the little "clown lines" on the very edge of his smile instead of anything severe.

[regwec]

I still maintain hope that it will not occur at all.

[IamtheBatman]

http://photos-388.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v72/182/21/19907899/n19907899_30689388_7081.jpg

The pic is good but give the Joker messed up yellow teeth.

[Matrixo]

Hello From the IMDb boards. I read the what you worte about how the joker looks and this is what i got from photoshop. I kinda got carried away with the scarring, its a bit brutal.


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j174/Matrix19920/HeathFoxJoker.jpg

[Steelsheen]

Miranda,

i dont know if this has been answered anywhere already, if so please point me to the right direction.

i just wanted to ask how Joker will be getting his pale/ grey skin. will it be something that he'll already had, like naturally? or will he fall into some chemical bath that will bleach his skin?

[General Vulcun]

The General's back with a few more questions:

1. Are Loeb and Flass in TDK? And if they are, how big are their roles and do the get killed?

2. Does Gordon change police ranks in TDK?

3. How often are Batman, Gordon, and Dent seen on screen together (ie TLH rooftop scenes)?

4. Is Mr.Earle back?

PS - I appreciate what you're doing here Miranda! Great job!

[Dark Knight]

MIRANDA, knowing what you know now, would you still say the Joker looks like this or something different?

http://photos-388.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v72/182/21/19907899/n19907899_30689388_7081.jpg



This Joker look would be fine by me.....

[SpinyNorman]

Wow, this source keeps on giving. Good find, Miranda.

[union_jak]

I wonder how much of The Man Who Laughs we'll see in TDK?

That story features the re-opening of Arkham Asylum- would Arkham have been closed following Begins?

Are the Joker's followers sane or insane- did he get them from The Narrow?

[Miranda Fox]

The General's back with a few more questions:

1. Are Loeb and Flass in TDK? And if they are, how big are their roles and do the get killed?

2. Does Gordon change police ranks in TDK?

3. How often are Batman, Gordon, and Dent seen on screen together (ie TLH rooftop scenes)?

4. Is Mr.Earle back?

PS - I appreciate what you're doing here Miranda! Great job!

Sorry for the late reply General - yes, I'll certainly ask. :)

[Artos]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/artos/pans_l.jpg

When I saw this I immediately thought of The Joker. I wouldn't mind if this was how the "cut smile" was handled.

[Cinemaman]

Miranda, could you please ask him what is the sense of the story connection between Joker and Scarecrow? :)

[fabman]

Which movie is that from, Artos?

[IamtheBatman]

Scarecrow could of sprayed Joker with the gas before he get's electrocuted by Rachel.

[Clerk]

Pans Labrynth... and I thought the same thing..... but it's a little too extreme for a movie that still needs to sell toothpaste and underpants.

[Rainer7]

Which movie is that from, Artos?
Pan's Labyrinth. It'll be on DVD this Tuesday.

[IamtheBatman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/artos/pans_l.jpg

When I saw this I immediately thought of The Joker. I wouldn't mind if this was how the "cut smile" was handled.

The pic is from the movie is from pans labyrinth.

[L.A.]

Yes we know already!:D

[Assassin]

I hope Joker rapes Rachel, which drives her to suicide. Or they get another actress to play her for the 3rd film :cmad:

[Assassin]

Dude, don't make me knock you out. ;)

Dude...:dry:

[Ceb-Man]

Wow!! I cannot wait to see this movie!!

[Excel]

Hmm...Miranda I know your busy, but you could please ask him about the films action scenes? Is there any sort of big ass batmobile chase? And whats the scenario for the big old finale?

thanks m-fox

[General Vulcun]

Also, is the rumour about the Batcycle/Sidewinder true? And if it is, how does it come into play? And if the Batmobile gets destroyed, does he get a new one? And if he does, does it look similar to the Tumbler, or completely new design?

Sorry, but these questions just keep poppin' into my head.

[Bond]

Also, is the rumour about the Batcycle/Sidewinder true? And if it is, how does it come into play? And if the Batmobile gets destroyed, does he get a new one? And if he does, does it look similar to the Tumbler, or completely new design?
Oh yea, I'm surprised nobody's asked that yet.

[L.A.]

4. Is Mr.Earle back?
I can answer this one, NO!

[The Joker]

I can answer this one, NO!

No need for him to come back, either. He served his purpose.

[killingyouguy]

For the cut-smile they could have part of it inflicted (like on one side of the mouth) by the zip-line accident (or something similar caused by Batman). And then when Joker returns to his "hideout", and examines the damage, he grabs an old razer blade and completes the job (then prepares for revenge).

Be better than trying to have the zip-line accident do it all, adds to the Joker's psychotic behaviour, still keeps the 'attack on Joker's vanity' aspect & accomplishes more than just having a gash on his face.

Overall, I'm very encouraged & excited by your reports Miranda. Especially pertaining to the Joker's character. It seems to be perfectly spot-on. If these reports are true than I think I'm satisfied (spoiler-wise) and don't want to hear anymore. I'm just a little anxious about what his appearence will look actually look like. As I think we all are. And it won't be settled 'til we get an official pic.

Glad to see Scarecrow is apparently back in. I was a little disappointed when those reports were going around he wasn't. And I must say I'm a little disappointed that Rachel Dawes has a larger role. I'm hoping Joker kills her off. I can see she serves a purpose as the middle-man (er, woman) between Batman/Bruce & Harvey Dent but once Dent becomes Two-Face she's useless. She knows Batman's identity, so while she's around, the whole duel identity thing loses a bit of meaning. She can serve her final purpose by dying at the hands of the Joker at the end of the movie and raising the hatred between he and Batman to an even higher level. And getting out of the way for the (apparent) arrival of Selina Kyle in BB3.

[FCEEVIPER]

OMG, I think I just messed myself.


Okay, I have been "spoilers-fied" way too much now, I have enough to hold me over till the official teaser trailer is released, I'm outer here...for good. :woot:




Fox, your the best!

[Milkman95]

This is outstanding information - this film is going to kick all kinds of ass......

[miltonh]

Really big thanks Miranda. But I have 2 questions...

1. What is the name of the "normal" Joker?

2. A couple of months ago I've heard that Bat-symbol will be changed in TDK and after 1st promo pic it sounds plausible. If it's true, WHY?

Really thank you very much for the answers.

[Darknightnomis]

Regarding the updated info....

The Joker smile being cut into his face is an interesting take on the character, but I'm not much a fan of it. I'll wait to see it on screen to make a judgement. :dry:

Selina Kyle mentioned at the end of the movie and possibly in the 3rd film makes me fill all warm and fuzzy inside. :oldrazz:

Montoya in - Great news. :yay:
Bullock out - Not so great news. :huh:

He such a good character that I thought he would fit in great for these movies.

New gray and black Bat Suit - AWESOME!!! :woot:

Hey, I love the all-black batsuit like the next bat-fanboy, but it's getting a little old.

Harvey's coin - cool deal, daddy-O. Hopefully we'll see it at the end like we did the Joker's card at the end of 'Begins'.


Miranda, my love, you spoil us silly and we don't deserve you.:heart:

[Dark Knight]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/artos/pans_l.jpg

When I saw this I immediately thought of The Joker. I wouldn't mind if this was how the "cut smile" was handled.



When I saw that movie i thought the same thing.

By the way...this film Pans Labyrinth is in excellent film by Guillermo Del Toro!

[SpinyNorman]

And that may be its most painful scene.

[Silver Souper]

I thought pan's labyrinth was WAY overrated.

[Agentsands77]

I thought pan's labyrinth was WAY overrated.
Really? I thought it was an untouchable masterpiece. One of the most brilliant films of the past decade.

[Dark Knight]

I thought pan's labyrinth was WAY overrated.



Nah. It was literally a masterpiece from Del Toro.

Want to talk about an overrated film? There is a film called Spider Man 3 that is out now....now SPIDEY 3 = OVERRATED :word:

[Batman FREAK]

Yeah...what could have lived up to the hype Spider-Man 3 had going honestly though?

Oh wait TDK. :)

[StorminNorman]

Montoya in - Great news. :yay:
Bullock out - Not so great news. :huh:

He such a good character that I thought he would fit in great for these movies.

Bullock is in this franchise - his name is Flass.

[Nepenthes]

Yeah...what could have lived up to the hype Spider-Man 3 had going honestly though?

Oh wait TDK. :)

:up:

[Rynan]

Bullock is in this franchise - his name is Flass.

Correction. A big walking trash can full of scum is in this franchise - his name is Flass.

And he is unclean.

[Batman FREAK]

Well he could always turn his ways around after what he's seen I suppose. Flass that is...which would be more like Bullock.

[Silver Souper]

Really? I thought it was an untouchable masterpiece. One of the most brilliant films of the past decade.

so thought some others. as for me and my group of friends we all didn't get what was so brilliant about it. i liked the fantasy and was bored by the rest of the storyline. outside of the fantastic elements i found it to be very typical, and very few would care about pan's labyrinth if not for the elements of fantasy. too bad those scenes were few and far between.

Nah. It was literally a masterpiece from Del Toro.

Want to talk about an overrated film? There is a film called Spider Man 3 that is out now....now SPIDEY 3 = OVERRATED :word:

spidey 3 was crap. anyone older than 20 knows it. we agree.

[Saint]

Bullock is in this franchise - his name is Flass.
You must think "Fat cop" is the sum of Bullock's character if you believe this statement to be true. Bullock and Flass are not even remotely similar.

[Darknightnomis]

Bullock is in this franchise - his name is Flass.

Bullock was the "bad cop" to Montoya "good cop" but he was NOWHERE near as foul as Flass was in the comics (Year One) or in 'Batman Begins'.

Too band Nolan went with an actor closely resembling Bullock for his choice in Begins instead of the tall, blonde Miller drawn in 'year one'.

[regwec]

Eckhart is in this franchise- his name is Flass.

[Miranda Fox]

Eckhart is in this franchise- his name is Flass.

No! His name is Robert Paulson!

[Van Petrol]

Got any new info Miranda?

[IamtheBatman]

So, who is suppose to Montoya? Any new MF!

[L.A.]

Relax people!

[IndianaJones]

spidey 3 was crap. anyone older than 20 knows it. we agree.

Anyone with an IQ above 60 should know that Spider-Man 3 was an abomination to cinema.

As for Pan's Labyrinth, I haven't gotten a chance to see it. I'll buy it tommorow, but I was so dissapointed when I discovered it's lack of David Bowie. :csad:

[T r o w a]

[quote=IndianaJones;11661068]Anyone with an IQ above 60 should know that Spider-Man 3 was an abomination to cinema.




IM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE BASHING SPIDER-MAN 3 !!!! ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS A BATMAN THREAD. IF YOU WANT TO B**** ABOUT THE MOVIE DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!

SPIDER-MAN 3 WAS AN AWESOME MOVIE IN MY OPINION SO ALL STFU

[itsthebatman]

[quote=IndianaJones;11661068]Anyone with an IQ above 60 should know that Spider-Man 3 was an abomination to cinema.




IM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE BASHING SPIDER-MAN 3 !!!! ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS A BATMAN THREAD. IF YOU WANT TO B**** ABOUT THE MOVIE DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!

SPIDER-MAN 3 WAS AN AWESOME MOVIE IN MY OPINION SO ALL STFU
Caps Lock button broken again?

[IamtheBatman]

[quote=IndianaJones;11661068]Anyone with an IQ above 60 should know that Spider-Man 3 was an abomination to cinema.




IM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE BASHING SPIDER-MAN 3 !!!! ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS A BATMAN THREAD. IF YOU WANT TO B**** ABOUT THE MOVIE DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!

SPIDER-MAN 3 WAS AN AWESOME MOVIE IN MY OPINION SO ALL STFU

I can never live down Peter Parker dancing like John Travolta I wish I got my money back.

[T r o w a]

Nope, it's all for effect.

[TheBatman072]

It is getting a little tiresome. Okay, fine, you didn't like Spidey 3. Thanks for being ***** and insulting everyone who did.

[T r o w a]

Then go ahead and get your money back. Go get back the $7.50 you spent on the movie, since $7.50 is a lot of money.

[Dark Knight]

Anyone with an IQ above 60 should know that Spider-Man 3 was an abomination to cinema.

As for Pan's Labyrinth, I haven't gotten a chance to see it. I'll buy it tommorow, but I was so dissapointed when I discovered it's lack of David Bowie. :csad:


Yeah...I plan on getting the two disk Pans edition....with all the extras and features. I'm a big fan of Del Toro and his work.

[Silver Souper]

Anyone with an IQ above 60 should know that Spider-Man 3 was an abomination to cinema.

As for Pan's Labyrinth, I haven't gotten a chance to see it. I'll buy it tommorow, but I was so dissapointed when I discovered it's lack of David Bowie. :csad:

you might like pan's. i swear twice a year there's a critical darling that I just don't get. pans was that for me last year- not awful, just not worthy of such praise IMO.

[quote=T r o w a;11661212]
Caps Lock button broken again?

:woot:

[Dark Knight]

Then go ahead and get your money back. Go get back the $7.50 you spent on the movie, since $7.50 is a lot of money.


I personally didn't spend a dime on the movie. A friend burned it....

[itsthebatman]

[quote=T r o w a;11661212]

I can never live down Peter Parker dancing like John Travolta I wish I got my money back.

Have you seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCyEr6MTUqE
hehehe

[T r o w a]

Lets talk about Batman please.

[Dark Knight]

Then go ahead and get your money back. Go get back the $7.50 you spent on the movie, since $7.50 is a lot of money.


7.50 is a alot money.....for CRAP! LOL....

[Infinity9999x]

Anyone with an IQ above 60 should know that Spider-Man 3 was an abomination to cinema.

As for Pan's Labyrinth, I haven't gotten a chance to see it. I'll buy it tommorow, but I was so dissapointed when I discovered it's lack of David Bowie. :csad:

Oh come on, SM3 was not nearly that bad, it was a good movie, just not great, and even if it had been great it wouldn't have lived up to it's hype, but it was no where near a Batman and Robin.

And you know, everytime I hear about Pan's labyrinth I automatically think of David Bowie too, I loved The Labyrinth as a kid.

[T r o w a]

hey dude i never said that about tobey maguire you have me quoted wrong please look back and see that it wasn't me who said that

[itsthebatman]

Lets talk about Batman please.
Okey-dokey.

Trowa, what are your thoughts on the info in this thread?

[itsthebatman]

you might like pan's. i swear twice a year there's a critical darling that I just don't get. pans was that for me last year- not awful, just not worthy of such praise IMO.



Have you seen The Lives of Others yet? That did deserve all the praise it got.
IMO, Hellboy is Del Toro's most overrated movie. No great shakes at all.

[T r o w a]

did you see that it wasnt me who said that right???

[IamtheBatman]

Let's get back to Batman basics.

[itsthebatman]

did you see that it wasnt me who said that right???

I know. The computer made a boo-boo. Chill, man. Find some shade. In fact....
Dig on this.
Double-time!

[Bond]

Yea that Hellboy movie sucked.

And Batman is badass.

[IndianaJones]

you might like pan's. i swear twice a year there's a critical darling that I just don't get. pans was that for me last year- not awful, just not worthy of such praise IMO.


I'm quite sure I'll love it, I'm a big fan of Del Toro. Also, a friend of mine loved it, and we usually agree when it comes to movies.

I was being entirely facetious about the Bowie thing. :woot:

[IndianaJones]

IMO, Hellboy is Del Toro's most overrated movie. No great shakes at all.

Agreed.

As a die-hard Hellboy fan, I was severely dissapointed with that film. It was an extreme guilty pleasure for me, though.

I guess I have to wait another few decades for someone to remake more to my liking. :hellboy:

[Dark Knight]

Have you seen The Lives of Others yet? That did deserve all the praise it got.
IMO, Hellboy is Del Toro's most overrated movie. No great shakes at all.


Hellboy wasn't great I agree....very average. I do expect Del Toro to improve upon the first in Hellboy 2 though. Have you ever seen Del Toros Cronos? Great film!

[cryptic name]

Anyone with an IQ above 60 should know that Spider-Man 3 was an abomination to cinema.


yes, anyone with an opinion other than yours is obviously an idiot.

[LostSon88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h0z6vkcY10

[IndianaJones]

yes, anyone with an opinion other than yours is obviously an idiot.

Obviously. :oldrazz:

[Silver Souper]

Have you seen The Lives of Others yet? That did deserve all the praise it got.
IMO, Hellboy is Del Toro's most overrated movie. No great shakes at all.

THAT i'm looking forward to. looks amazing! yeah hellboy had SUCH a bad, bad ending. not an impressive movie, but there were some impressive things in it.

I'm quite sure I'll love it, I'm a big fan of Del Toro. Also, a friend of mine loved it, and we usually agree when it comes to movies.

I was being entirely facetious about the Bowie thing. :woot:

:woot: i figured that. and let me know what you think when you see it.

okay back to frothing over TDK.

[Schlosser85]

Question for Miranda: any idea how many scenes Christian Bale and Heath Ledger are going to have together?

[Cmn.WRX>Mustang]

I just wanted to say "Thank you", to Miranda. You really contribute a lot to this board. Hell I think your scoops are a large part of why I come here.

edit: And I'm not just kissing your ass because you happen to be a member of the fairer sex. I usually have no particular need for stupid, stinky girls. However, you deliver on the Batman news so you're okay in my book. :p

Haha, "stupid, stinky girls". That sounds like a 10 year old, doesn't it? XD

[Milkman95]

Batman and Gordon having 4-5 scenes together is excellent. Especially when we saw how awesome that last scene was in Begins.

Hopefully one of their scenes together will be at Arkham.

[Cmn.WRX>Mustang]

Batman has gotta disappear on Gordon, somewhere in this movie. It's always great when he does that.

[bapi]

Questions for Miranda:


1. How many scenes are in the Arkham Asylum?
2. Will Batman has a Batplane?
3. Will The Joker be more human or more classic maniacal murderer like in the comic books?

Really thank you very much. :joker:

[Milkman95]

Also, wouldn't you think the person that is portraying Montoya would be announced by now?

I take it McFarlane is returning as Loeb?

[ENERjosh]

So, here's the sitch.

The person who cleared up the Cillian misunderstanding from before generously offered to answer any questions I had regarding the Dark Knight. He has also kindly allowed me to share this with you under the following conditions:

I not reveal his identity nor speculate about his connection to the production.

So don't bombard me with PMs, mmmkay?

As an extra precaution, I've decided to reword some of what he said to me. I really do feel like I'm walking on eggshells in regards to the WB and I would never wish to get anyone in trouble. I have also chosen the material I consider most spoilery to be hidden behind tags. Yes, it's the spoiler forum but we had complaints when the sides showed up and I'd like to avoid that this time. I hope you all understand.

Here goes:

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

So that finally clears up that particular tidbit once for all. No hokey Joker origins! :woot:

This I don't regard as a huge spoiler so I'll simply quote it.

Regarding Joker and his minions:



Regarding Maggie's role in the film (again, I don't think this is any kind of huge spoiler, so it's quoted):

This, on the other hand, is!

Regarding the Scarecrow:

I'd say his screen time is a little less than in Begins, although it will be more dramatic. Ever wanted to see the Joker through the eyes of someone under the influence of fear gas? The way the script reads, this scene will be INCREDIBLY ****ed up. It's the scene i'm most looking forward to watching in the cinema

I literally wanted to dance around my room when I read that. Sounds BRILLIANT!

Regarding filming in Ireland:

So, there we are.

I believe this person is geniune. Strongly.

I would like to thank him again for being kind enough to share this. I'm sure the rest of the Hype concurs. :heart:

EDIT 11/5/07: I have passed on some of your questions as pormised and these are the responses I got. I consider this sensitive information so it's under the spoiler tag. This has been mostly paraphrased lest the ninjas are snooping...

Regarding the Joker's look:

The Joker will be more in line with the Bermejo look.

Not surprising. ;)

Secondly, regarding other villians and a certain Miss Kyle:

Selina Kyle is mentioned at the end of the script (which I believe was brought up by a poster here some time last summer...that person is owed quite a few apologies ;) ) but there's a but: the WB is somewhat reluctant to bring Catwoman into the Nolan franchise. Since the Nolans took the trouble to have her mentioned they obviously aren't so - hopefully! - they can talk the WB round there.

Onto other villians - no other cameos but TDK sets up a villian arc for the next film. I think we can all guess who that is!

In regards to the recent spoiler info at BOF:

The notion that the Joker puts on the white make up himself is nonsense. In the script, if i can remember exactly, he's described as 'almost albino' in skin tone. He's theatrical yes, but not to the point of stupidity. He's a freak in more ways than one. [Miranda's Note: That *does not* mean he's an albino, just that the skin looks similar to one. Just in case anyone starts flipping out.]

Joker's clothing:

The Joker does wear purple at one point in the movie, but it's not the bright bright purple of the comic books, from what I've heard, the suit will be at its most comic book like during the scene in which the Joker is seen through the eyes of the fear toxin.

Regarding the new batsuit:



Regarding the Joker's character:



Regarding Bullock and Montoya and their possible inclusion:



Regarding Harvey's Coin






sadly and honestly this has made my day.
thank you thank you thankle you

[ENERjosh]

Agreed.

As a die-hard Hellboy fan, I was severely dissapointed with that film. It was an extreme guilty pleasure for me, though.

I guess I have to wait another few decades for someone to remake more to my liking. :hellboy:



Hellboy had a nice start to it but it was just squid creature after squid creature that led up to a battle with and even bigger squid creature,

Del toro's Blade 2 WAS a serious dump. "Blood pack" how laughable is that? remember the CG pile drivers and flying elbows and the one scene where it seemed Snipes turned into a skinny black man. good god, Pans LAB was really amazing though. he worked hard for that.