Spoilers Ahoy! (Yep. Really.)

[raybia]

[quote=IndianaJones;11661068]Anyone with an IQ above 60 should know that Spider-Man 3 was an abomination to cinema.




IM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE BASHING SPIDER-MAN 3 !!!! ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS A BATMAN THREAD. IF YOU WANT TO B**** ABOUT THE MOVIE DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!

SPIDER-MAN 3 WAS AN AWESOME MOVIE IN MY OPINION SO ALL STFU


Maybe its best you stay out of the Batman thread and hang out in the Spider-Man one since no one is violating the Hype's rules by bashing...I mean offering their opinion the Mediocre and silly Spider-Man 3 just like you just offered you unsolicited opinion of it.

[itsthebatman]

Hellboy had a nice start to it but it was just squid creature after squid creature that led up to a battle with and even bigger squid creature,

Del toro's Blade 2 WAS a serious dump. "Blood pack" how laughable is that? remember the CG pile drivers and flying elbows and the one scene where it seemed Snipes turned into a skinny black man. good god, Pans LAB was really amazing though. he worked hard for that.
I liked Blade 2, I have to say. Twas good clean fun.
Anyone seen The Devil's Backbone? Another one set during the Spanish Civil War, even better than Pan's Labyrinth IMO. Similar themes, fantasy and the real world, young child. Great stuff.

[CrashNburn]

blade 2 was great!

[Octoberist]

with del toro, i think visually his american films were good..but they lacked that punch.

Devil's Backbone and esp Pan's Labyrinth for sure are masterpieces. You may not like them, but who says that they're overrated? What is overrated anymore right?

However, with Hellboy, it fell apart in the second half. It went nowhere. That, and the comics' H.P. Lovecraft vibe was kinda watered down. I hope for the best in the second one.

I like Del Toro and I still think he has room to grow. Pan proved that, as a filmmaker, he has matured.

[itsthebatman]

Man we are gone off topic. Anyone got any spoiler info?

[Octoberist]

well, we have to wait for miranda fox and her 'scooper' :)

But there's so much he can say at this point, without getting into trouble (if he's legit)

[SpinyNorman]

Batman dies.

There.

There's your spoiler.

[Micah12345]

^lol

[itsthebatman]

Batman dies.

There.

There's your spoiler.

http://www.xsltblog.com/archives/24805BP~The-Simpsons-Mr-Burns-Excellent.jpg

[Ender Durden]

Batman dies.

There.

There's your spoiler.



any link to this?

[BurtonBat]

^ I hope you're joking.

[IamtheBatman]

Say it ain't so Joe.

[nerdybat]

From what I have heard its true, but at the end of the series:(

[nerdybat]

Miranda where are youu???

[Dark Knight]

[QUOTE=raybia;11664114][QUOTE=T r o w a;11661212]



America, in its present condition, is more of a capitalistic society than a free society. Freedom is just a hollow sales pitch until it adversely effects corporate America's ability to make money.



^
I just read this.....and yes....this becomes more true as each and every day passes sadly....

[Infinity9999x]

[quote=T r o w a;11661212]


Maybe its best you stay out of the Batman thread and hang out in the Spider-Man one since no one is violating the Hype's rules by bashing...I mean offering their opinion the Mediocre and silly Spider-Man 3 just like you just offered you unsolicited opinion of it.

Like I said above, I don't think Spider-man is a bad film, it just wasn't great like people expected. And I'll say this, the worst movie of the Spider-man series was no where near as bad as the worst Batman movie.

[nerdybat]

Guys I think Miranda is gone for good!!!:csad: :csad: :csad: :csad: :csad: :csad: :csad:

[IamtheBatman]

Nah, M.Fox will back just give her time to relax.

[nerdybat]

NO Miranda must have my spoiler news NOW!!!! just kidding I need my fix I can get a little testy if I dont get it... you understand right?

[Nepenthes]

^ I think it's time for your nap

[Octoberist]

Guys I think Miranda is gone for good!!!:csad: :csad: :csad: :csad: :csad: :csad: :csad:

She has something called a life, nerdy. No offense.

[bdsproductions]

I somehow doubt Miranda is gone for good, she probably has one of those....lives people talk about.

I know confuses me too :ninja:.

j/k

[Ibn]

So, here's the sitch.

The person who cleared up the Cillian misunderstanding from before generously offered to answer any questions I had regarding the Dark Knight. He has also kindly allowed me to share this with you under the following conditions:

I not reveal his identity nor speculate about his connection to the production.

So don't bombard me with PMs, mmmkay?

As an extra precaution, I've decided to reword some of what he said to me. I really do feel like I'm walking on eggshells in regards to the WB and I would never wish to get anyone in trouble. I have also chosen the material I consider most spoilery to be hidden behind tags. Yes, it's the spoiler forum but we had complaints when the sides showed up and I'd like to avoid that this time. I hope you all understand.

Here goes:

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

So that finally clears up that particular tidbit once for all. No hokey Joker origins! :woot:

This I don't regard as a huge spoiler so I'll simply quote it.

Regarding Joker and his minions:



Regarding Maggie's role in the film (again, I don't think this is any kind of huge spoiler, so it's quoted):

This, on the other hand, is!

Regarding the Scarecrow:

I'd say his screen time is a little less than in Begins, although it will be more dramatic. Ever wanted to see the Joker through the eyes of someone under the influence of fear gas? The way the script reads, this scene will be INCREDIBLY ****ed up. It's the scene i'm most looking forward to watching in the cinema

I literally wanted to dance around my room when I read that. Sounds BRILLIANT!

Regarding filming in Ireland:

So, there we are.

I believe this person is geniune. Strongly.

I would like to thank him again for being kind enough to share this. I'm sure the rest of the Hype concurs. :heart:

EDIT 11/5/07: I have passed on some of your questions as pormised and these are the responses I got. I consider this sensitive information so it's under the spoiler tag. This has been mostly paraphrased lest the ninjas are snooping...

Regarding the Joker's look:

The Joker will be more in line with the Bermejo look.

Not surprising. ;)

Secondly, regarding other villians and a certain Miss Kyle:

Selina Kyle is mentioned at the end of the script (which I believe was brought up by a poster here some time last summer...that person is owed quite a few apologies ;) ) but there's a but: the WB is somewhat reluctant to bring Catwoman into the Nolan franchise. Since the Nolans took the trouble to have her mentioned they obviously aren't so - hopefully! - they can talk the WB round there.

Onto other villians - no other cameos but TDK sets up a villian arc for the next film. I think we can all guess who that is!

In regards to the recent spoiler info at BOF:

The notion that the Joker puts on the white make up himself is nonsense. In the script, if i can remember exactly, he's described as 'almost albino' in skin tone. He's theatrical yes, but not to the point of stupidity. He's a freak in more ways than one. [Miranda's Note: That *does not* mean he's an albino, just that the skin looks similar to one. Just in case anyone starts flipping out.]

Joker's clothing:

The Joker does wear purple at one point in the movie, but it's not the bright bright purple of the comic books, from what I've heard, the suit will be at its most comic book like during the scene in which the Joker is seen through the eyes of the fear toxin.

Regarding the new batsuit:



Regarding the Joker's character:



Regarding Bullock and Montoya and their possible inclusion:



Regarding Harvey's Coin







That's the only part of this that I give a thumbs up to. He doesn't start out completely psychotic? ALMOST ALBINO? Which means he's not even THAT White in complexion? That SUCKS to me. I mean, I know it's supposed to fit Nolans realistic world. But come on now, the Joker is WHITE WHITE, not almost albino:cmad: . The stuff with Cillian sounds awesome though. Also not thrilled about the lighter toned Batsuit. I wanted him to be Alan Moore tragic, but that ain't happening, and that saddens me. Oh well. I'm still getting purple!!!!:woot:

[Miranda Fox]

I'm not dead. I'm restin.'

[raybia]

I'm not dead. I'm restin.'

Miranda, have you heard anything about whether the phase II Scarecrow that was cut from BB will be included in TDK?

[Hartter]

Phase II Scarecrow? I seem to remember something about that...what was it exactly?

[Mysterio]

Phase II Scarecrow? I seem to remember something about that...what was it exactly?
a robot.

[jimmy]

It's when he gets coked out on fear gas.

[Bond]

That's the only part of this that I give a thumbs up to. He doesn't start out completely psychotic? ALMOST ALBINO? Which means he's not even THAT White in complexion? That SUCKS to me. I mean, I know it's supposed to fit Nolans realistic world. But come on now, the Joker is WHITE WHITE, not almost albino:cmad: .
If you read Batman #1, which Nolan said is one of the main influences he's using for TDK, Joker is not a real crazy killing spree maniac in that one. It took him a couple comics 'til you really realized that he was really a ****ing psycho.

[TheBatman072]

If you read Batman #1, which Nolan said is one of the main influences he's using for TDK, Joker is not a real crazy killing spree maniac in that one. It took him a couple comics 'til you really realized that he was really a ****ing psycho.


I'm all for that. But the Albino part makes me the most nervous. Albinos are usaully slightly whitish-pink, slightly sun-tanned pale.


Not chalk white or even grayish white like the Joker should be.

[LostSon88]

I don't think we should take the term 'albino' literally...

Remember, in the past they said Joker would have a whitish-greyish tone.

[TheBatman072]

I don't think we should take the term 'albino' literally...

Remember, in the past they said Joker would have a whitish-greyish tone.


Hope so.

[nickyg641]

I don't think the albino comparison is to be taken completly literally. He'll probably be extremly pale, but more of a natural pale. Not piece-of-paper white like in the comics, but not just a guy who hasn't been out of his house in a while, either.

I see it as sort of like the skintone of the Orlando Bloom manip, maybe a bit whiter, though.

[T r o w a]

people are quoting me wrong all over this thread......

i was the one defending spider-man 3 and telling the bashers to leave the batman thread and go to the spider-man thread

[IamtheBatman]

I don't think the albino comparison is to be taken completly literally. He'll probably be extremly pale, but more of a natural pale. Not piece-of-paper white like in the comics, but not just a guy who hasn't been out of his house in a while, either.

I see it as sort of like the skintone of the Orlando Bloom manip, maybe a bit whiter, though.

Hmmm pale like having the flu pale or make-up pale.

[nerdybat]

I think more like having ebola pale...

[jimmy]

This comes to mind:

http://www.movie-2-dvd.org/pic/powder95.jpg

[Ibn]

If you read Batman #1, which Nolan said is one of the main influences he's using for TDK, Joker is not a real crazy killing spree maniac in that one. It took him a couple comics 'til you really realized that he was really a ****ing psycho.

I know. It's just, since we probably won't get to see how he transforms ( ala Killing Joke where he emerges psychotic) I kinda was hoping for a thrill ride from the get go.

[Ibn]

If you read Batman #1, which Nolan said is one of the main influences he's using for TDK, Joker is not a real crazy killing spree maniac in that one. It took him a couple comics 'til you really realized that he was really a ****ing psycho.

I know. It's just, since we probably won't get to see how he transforms ( ala Killing Joke where he emerges psychotic) I kinda was hoping for a thrill ride from the get go.

[Ibn]

If you read Batman #1, which Nolan said is one of the main influences he's using for TDK, Joker is not a real crazy killing spree maniac in that one. It took him a couple comics 'til you really realized that he was really a ****ing psycho.

I know. It's just, since we probably won't get to see how he transforms ( ala Killing Joke where he emerges psychotic) I kinda was hoping for a thrill ride from the get go.

[Ibn]

If you read Batman #1, which Nolan said is one of the main influences he's using for TDK, Joker is not a real crazy killing spree maniac in that one. It took him a couple comics 'til you really realized that he was really a ****ing psycho.

I know. It's just, since we probably won't get to see how he transforms ( ala Killing Joke where he emerges psychotic) I kinda was hoping for a thrill ride from the get go.

[Ibn]

If you read Batman #1, which Nolan said is one of the main influences he's using for TDK, Joker is not a real crazy killing spree maniac in that one. It took him a couple comics 'til you really realized that he was really a ****ing psycho.

I know. It's just, since we probably won't get to see how he transforms ( ala Killing Joke where he emerges psychotic) I kinda was hoping for a thrill ride from the get go.

[nickyg641]

This is how I see the skintone:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/zaphod_beeblebrox_42/fakemanipjokerlighter.jpg
Pale, but realistically so (I basically just lightened the skintone of the origonal, so, yes, it's slightly different).

[NinjaTurtleFan]

So, here's the sitch.

The person who cleared up the Cillian misunderstanding from before generously offered to answer any questions I had regarding the Dark Knight. He has also kindly allowed me to share this with you under the following conditions:

I not reveal his identity nor speculate about his connection to the production.

So don't bombard me with PMs, mmmkay?

As an extra precaution, I've decided to reword some of what he said to me. I really do feel like I'm walking on eggshells in regards to the WB and I would never wish to get anyone in trouble. I have also chosen the material I consider most spoilery to be hidden behind tags. Yes, it's the spoiler forum but we had complaints when the sides showed up and I'd like to avoid that this time. I hope you all understand.

Here goes:

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

So that finally clears up that particular tidbit once for all. No hokey Joker origins! :woot:

This I don't regard as a huge spoiler so I'll simply quote it.

Regarding Joker and his minions:



Regarding Maggie's role in the film (again, I don't think this is any kind of huge spoiler, so it's quoted):

This, on the other hand, is!

Regarding the Scarecrow:

I'd say his screen time is a little less than in Begins, although it will be more dramatic. Ever wanted to see the Joker through the eyes of someone under the influence of fear gas? The way the script reads, this scene will be INCREDIBLY ****ed up. It's the scene i'm most looking forward to watching in the cinema

I literally wanted to dance around my room when I read that. Sounds BRILLIANT!

Regarding filming in Ireland:

So, there we are.

I believe this person is geniune. Strongly.

I would like to thank him again for being kind enough to share this. I'm sure the rest of the Hype concurs. :heart:

EDIT 11/5/07: I have passed on some of your questions as pormised and these are the responses I got. I consider this sensitive information so it's under the spoiler tag. This has been mostly paraphrased lest the ninjas are snooping...

Regarding the Joker's look:

The Joker will be more in line with the Bermejo look.

Not surprising. ;)

Secondly, regarding other villians and a certain Miss Kyle:

Selina Kyle is mentioned at the end of the script (which I believe was brought up by a poster here some time last summer...that person is owed quite a few apologies ;) ) but there's a but: the WB is somewhat reluctant to bring Catwoman into the Nolan franchise. Since the Nolans took the trouble to have her mentioned they obviously aren't so - hopefully! - they can talk the WB round there.

Onto other villians - no other cameos but TDK sets up a villian arc for the next film. I think we can all guess who that is!

In regards to the recent spoiler info at BOF:

The notion that the Joker puts on the white make up himself is nonsense. In the script, if i can remember exactly, he's described as 'almost albino' in skin tone. He's theatrical yes, but not to the point of stupidity. He's a freak in more ways than one. [Miranda's Note: That *does not* mean he's an albino, just that the skin looks similar to one. Just in case anyone starts flipping out.]

Joker's clothing:

The Joker does wear purple at one point in the movie, but it's not the bright bright purple of the comic books, from what I've heard, the suit will be at its most comic book like during the scene in which the Joker is seen through the eyes of the fear toxin.

Regarding the new batsuit:



Regarding the Joker's character:



Regarding Bullock and Montoya and their possible inclusion:



Regarding Harvey's Coin

So, in regards to reading this---are we really going to see a origin story for Joker or are we just suppose to believe he is some albino, green-skinned maniac who accidentally got his lips gashed and mucked up to the point where it's sort of a perma-smile? I mean I'm sorry I don't know if I can accept that origin. I like what Alan Moore did with Joker and I want to see THAT Joker on film. To me it just doesn't leave much to the imagination, it just tells me "He's a punk-rocker albino who robs banks and he likes the theatrics. So, there." And while I don't mind seeing comic Joker just once through the eyes of Jonathan Crane, it still seems a bit once again unimaginative to not have Joker looking Jokerish-except for the hair and skin.

Thumbs up though to: Harvey's coin, Selina Kyle being mentioned at the end, setup of Two-Face, and the Scarecrow idea. Man, that is going to be cool to see Joker under the fear gas. If Batman was freaky as a demon bat in "Batman Begins" I wonder what Joker is going to look like. A hellish clown remniscent of 'It' or much worse than that?

[nickyg641]

It sounds like the comic-look to me. Just updated and more realistic.

And it says he's not an albino.

[LostSon88]

So, in regards to reading this---are we really going to see a origin story for Joker or are we just suppose to believe he is some albino, green-skinned maniac who accidentally got his lips gashed and mucked up to the point where it's sort of a perma-smile? I mean I'm sorry I don't know if I can accept that origin. I like what Alan Moore did with Joker and I want to see THAT Joker on film. To me it just doesn't leave much to the imagination, it just tells me "He's a punk-rocker albino who robs banks and he likes the theatrics. So, there." And while I don't mind seeing comic Joker just once through the eyes of Jonathan Crane, it still seems a bit once again unimaginative to not have Joker looking Jokerish-except for the hair and skin.

They're NOT going to go indepth of how/why the Joker looks the way he does in the movie. Its been stated that from the get-go the Joker will be the Joker...no Jack Napier/origin b.s.

Um...I thought this was what everyone wanted? :huh:

I mean, part of the mystique of the Joker is not knowing the truth about his origin and only showing hints...which is exactly what TDK is going for (based on these spoilers). They'll hint at what happened but leave his origin ambigious...which is exactly the way it should be.

[Batman FREAK]

^ Agreed.

[Bond]

I know. It's just, since we probably won't get to see how he transforms ( ala Killing Joke where he emerges psychotic) I kinda was hoping for a thrill ride from the get go.
He didn't get a backstory in #1...

[donk70]

He didn't get a backstory in #1...

My thoughts exactly, and Nolan already said alot of the inspiration of "his" Joker comes from The Joker's 1st appearence.

[regwec]

<META NAME="Description" CONTENT="In 'The Dark Knight,' Batman raises the stakes in his war on crime. With the help of Lieutenant Jim Gordon and District Attorney Harvey Dent, Batman sets out to dismantle the remaining criminal organizations that plague the city streets. The partnership proves to be effective, but they soon find themselves prey to a reign of chaos unleashed by a rising criminal mastermind known to the terrified citizens of Gotham as The Joker.">

A lot can be discovered here, especially about the direction in which The Joker is being taken: a mastermind rather than a total loon.

[Miranda Fox]

A lot can be discovered here, especially about the direction in which The Joker is being taken: a mastermind rather than a total loon.

:up:

I like it.

[Octoberist]

has anyone seen the new harvey dent banner on the official dk site?

[regwec]

Yep.

[Nepenthes]

'prey to a reign of chaos'


fu*k yeah! :up:

[Ibn]

He didn't get a backstory in #1...

Didn't he fall in to the chemicals? And also, am I to assume that the majority of folks on here see the Joker not as the (for the most part) completely unstable but brilliant, crazed maniac he's been portrayed to be for the last like thirty years - but as half psycho half criminal mastermind who makes rational decisions often? See I was really hoping for that sick, murderous bastard to be there from the get go. IMO if getting your skin poisoned to the point where it's completely pale all the time, along with a green mane and lips muscles pulled so tight that they have a permanent bruise discoloration isn't reason enough for the guy to go insane, I can't see how, over time, things can worsen for his mental health, specially if he's already established as a known criminal. But I'm probably rushing things anyway. The scene with the pics might be from later on in the movie.


My apologies for the run-on sentences by the way.:word:

[Dark Knight]

A lot can be discovered here, especially about the direction in which The Joker is being taken: a mastermind rather than a total loon.



Yep! :up:

[TheJaberwock]

A lot can be discovered here, especially about the direction in which The Joker is being taken: a mastermind rather than a total loon.

where did that summary come from?

[regwec]

The official site, in the html.

[Rynan]

where did that summary come from?

the official webpage?:huh:

[jimmy]

It's a secret.

[Rynan]

A lot can be discovered here, especially about the direction in which The Joker is being taken: a mastermind rather than a total loon.

Rynan is pleased.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/Comics/Jokerintro2.jpg

[sasquatchs]

Didn't he fall in to the chemicals? And also, am I to assume that the majority of folks on here see the Joker not as the (for the most part) completely unstable but brilliant, crazed maniac he's been portrayed to be for the last like thirty years - but as half psycho half criminal mastermind who makes rational decisions often? See I was really hoping for that sick, murderous bastard to be there from the get go. IMO if getting your skin poisoned to the point where it's completely pale all the time, along with a green mane and lips muscles pulled so tight that they have a permanent bruise discoloration isn't reason enough for the guy to go insane, I can't see how, over time, things can worsen for his mental health, specially if he's already established as a known criminal. But I'm probably rushing things anyway. The scene with the pics might be from later on in the movie.


My apologies for the run-on sentences by the way.:word:

Do we really want 2 villains to go fruity because of disfigurement. Dent's injury is integral to the character whereas Joker's backstory was bolted on afterwards and has never been very convincing.

[batman#1]

it sounds like you guys know Miranda-Fox alot. Is he/she a reliable source? Because if it is......DAMN.the most beautiful news ive seen.EVER

[raybia]

it sounds like you guys know Miranda-Fox alot. Is he/she a reliable source? Because if it is......DAMN.the most beautiful news ive seen.EVER

Do I know her? I actually received a PM from Miranda. I knew her when she was just a noob. Do I know her? What do you think? Of course I do.


Call me Miranda...please. :ninja:

[batman#1]

soooo.....is her info reliable?

[raybia]

soooo.....is her info reliable?

Yes (Of course remember that nothing is written in stone.)

[Dark Knight]

soooo.....is her info reliable?



Nothing is 100% reliable around here.....unless proven otherwise. And it takes plenty of proof! :batman:

[raybia]

Nothing is 100% reliable around here.....unless proven otherwise. And it takes plenty of proof! :batman:

True, but Miranda is reliable in that she isn't going to jerk us around with B.S. info.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Miranda..

also has something that many people who post "info"

Integrity (think that's how you spell it.)

[raybia]

Miranda..

also has something that many people who post "info"

Integrity (think that's how you spell it.)

Thats the word I was looking for to describe her.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Thats the word I was looking for to describe her.


Glad i could help.

:woot:

[batmaluco]

A lot can be discovered here, especially about the direction in which The Joker is being taken: a mastermind rather than a total loon.
:word::up:

[SpinyNorman]

That Harvey Dent thing is hilariously awesome, but exactly how does one go about reading the HTML and such?

[regwec]

The right mouse button is your friend.

[Nepenthes]

That Harvey Dent thing is hilariously awesome, but exactly how does one go about reading the HTML and such?

your internet browser should have a VIEW drop column up left. click on page source.

[Tex]

does anyone have a picture of the different bat suit that was made a while back that he was talking about? so we can get an idea maybe what it will look like.

[Ibn]

Do we really want 2 villains to go fruity because of disfigurement. Dent's injury is integral to the character whereas Joker's backstory was bolted on afterwards and has never been very convincing.

Yep. 2 loons. The two best disfigured loons. There are many bat villians who are disfigured and crazy. Croc, Clayface, Man-bat(sorta), and others. It'd be cool by me for them to stick with the wacky trend. BTW, again, I havent read everything, but from how you guys are talking, am I to assume that some definitive info has leaked that we are actually going to see Two Face emerge in this flick?

[jimmy]

Two-Face makes his appearance at the end, setting him up for a third film. :up:

[IamtheBatman]

Two-Face makes his appearance at the end, setting him up for a third film. :up:

So, do you think we see Two-Face in the hospital at the end of the hospital when he escapes.

[jimmy]

I don't know the details, nyucka.

[IamtheBatman]

Iight!

[Super Kal]

Two-Face makes his appearance at the end, setting him up for a third film. :up:
now THAT would be cool... I wonder if Bane will ever show up in this franchise again.

[DangerousInc.]

does anyone have a picture of the different bat suit that was made a while back that he was talking about? so we can get an idea maybe what it will look like.
What he said!!

[Octoberist]

bump.

Ms. Fox's source seems to be accurate so far...

[Agentsands77]

bump.

Ms. Fox's source seems to be accurate so far...
Yup.

[Tex]

well one more time..... does anyone have a picture of the different bat suit that was made a while back that he was talking about? so we can get an idea maybe what it will look like.

[Boom]

well one more time..... does anyone have a picture of the different bat suit that was made a while back that he was talking about? so we can get an idea maybe what it will look like.
It was never a full picture. If I'm thinking of what this guy is talking about, it was a fanmade poster. All it had was the chest symbol on it, and it looked like fabric chainmail.

[Tex]

well do you have that? or does anyone? cause it would be nice to get an idea even if it is just a small part.

[Boom]

well do you have that? or does anyone? cause it would be nice to get an idea even if it is just a small part.
No I don't. And honestly dude, you're going to need some serious luck finding that thing (unless somebody actually did save it). The picture is ancient.

[Tex]

dang oh well thanks maybe with some luck someone did save it

[Judson Caspian]

There are so many pages in this thread, it would be exhausting to go through them all. So here's my question to you, Miranda.

Will The Joker have red "lipstick" that goes outside his lips – like the Heath Joker image – through the whole movie or is it just temporarily?

[jbone55]

If this hasn't been asked already, I want to know about time frame between movies.

If Batman and Harvey Dent have the relationship of working together to cut down crime, it has to be something that had to have been established. Also even for Joker, his petty crimes had to have started during the first film.

So will there be some time for character growth even for Batman maybe a little discussion of how things have been for sometime between movies?

[Stanley Ipkiss]

He Gets Acided in the Third film stupid

[Wedge A.]

He Gets Acided in the Third film stupid

Actually, he probably gets scarred at the end of this film.

Stupid.

:cwink:

[Stanley Ipkiss]

Oh ho ho, That one guy who wrote the script said so, jokes on u

[Wedge A.]

What are you talking about? In the script sides, there's pretty much the moment right before he gets acid splashed on his face.

[Stanley Ipkiss]

ok, u got me, that would be pretty sweet, to end with two face ready and waiting

[lixdexia]

so has it been confirmed one way or the other?

[Stanley Ipkiss]

It would be weird if he is like a criminal calledthe Joker before he gets scarred even

[American_Idiot]

I stop by the boards from time to time to see whats new; what other fans know that I don't. It appears I stopped by at the right time to catch this nifty lil' thread. Thanks for all the info Miranda!

I gotta admit, I'm pretty excited about this film. Let me get this straight, as I jumped ahead a few pages, too lazy to read through some of the babble...it is the Scarecrow who sees the Joker after inhaling his own fear gas? I like the idea, but it has me wondering...do these two villains team up at some point in the film (Miranda)?

Early rumors mentioned an appearance from the Penguin, possibly as an arms dealer/mob boss. Is there any truth to this or is it simply fanboy chitter-chatter?

And lastly, Zsasz...do we see any more of him?

I think it'd be great to see the Tim Booth lookin' more like the Zsasz we all know from the comics, having his hair grown out a bit this time, and exposing the cuts all over his body.

[Bandyt]

Oh, Miranda....MIRANDA! If I were straight, I'd so tap you.

[Nivek]

Enough with the leg humping, the girl went MIA because of the crap.

[regwec]

American Idiot, you sound just like Jett...y'all.

[Ned Ryerson]

There is absolutely no way that Catwoman/Selina Kyle will be resurrected in either this film or the next. It makes no business sense whatsoever.

[Batty Belfry]

Enough with the leg humping, the girl went MIA because of the crap.



:up:

Amen! It's tiresome.

[Nivek]

I avoided commenting on this for awhile because of the blatent kissa$$ery from a good chunk of posters here. But you guys chased her away because you have to be stereotypical geeks and smother the woman. Get a handle on yourselves, it's embarresing for the rest of us.

[regwec]

It's embarassing and completely wasteful. Miranda was an asset.

[SuperestHero]

I avoided commenting on this for awhile because of the blatent kissa$$ery from a good chunk of posters here. But you guys chased her away because you have to be stereotypical geeks and smother the woman. Get a handle on yourselves, it's embarresing for the rest of us.

Thank You, I'm not the least bit surprised she's gone. Some of the arse licking was down right scary.

[itsthebatman]

I miss Crooklyn as well. Where's his thread?

[Nepenthes]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g74/ngorsh01/The-Joker.jpg
RIP Crooklyn

[Darknightnomis]

:huh:

[Spider-Dean]

here is absolutely no way that Catwoman/Selina Kyle will be resurrected in either this film or the next. It makes no business sense whatsoever.

i don't think thats strictly true, by the third Batman everyone will know these films are good. Bringing back Catwoman into a repsected film which is well written & well made surley would be better for that character than it would be detrimental to the character of Batman.

The character alone would not be enough to kill off batman, the charcter done poorly would, so if they get it right in the film i cant imagine many people being to troubled

[Ned Ryerson]

Regular movie goers are not invested in any of these characters. The introduction of Catwoman would have been only obvious following that of The Joker and Two-Face, sure, but the Catwoman feature was a dreadful dud, and there's no reason to assume that WB would take that chance now and risk association. None at all. The Riddler, Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy and Bane all have a chance of reintroduction, but not Catwoman.

[Batman FREAK]

^ Agreed.

[TheBatman072]

i don't think thats strictly true, by the third Batman everyone will know these films are good. Bringing back Catwoman into a repsected film which is well written & well made surley would be better for that character than it would be detrimental to the character of Batman.

The character alone would not be enough to kill off batman, the charcter done poorly would, so if they get it right in the film i cant imagine many people being to troubled


If they do bring her in, maybe I'll get my sultry jewel theif with a fetish for cats this time.

Instead of a crazy chick or some stupid Cat-Powers chick.

[Ned Ryerson]

How would they introduce the character at the end of the second flick as this mysterious source claims? It just doesn't make any sense. Are they just going to bring in a random chick, have a character exposit that her name is Selina Kyle, and, since your regular movie goer will go "Selina Who," have her purr, rub against, and finally squirt all over some jewels to hammer home the point?

[TheBatman072]

How would they introduce the character at the end of the second flick as this mysterious source claims? It just doesn't make any sense. Are they just going to bring in a random chick, have a character exposit that her name is Selina Kyle, and, since your regular movie goer will go "Selina Who," have her purr, rub against, and finally squirt all over some jewels to hammer home the point?


I'm sure they'd do it like the Joker card in Begins.

[Batman FREAK]

How would they introduce the character at the end of the second flick as this mysterious source claims? It just doesn't make any sense. Are they just going to bring in a random chick, have a character exposit that her name is Selina Kyle, and, since your regular movie goer will go "Selina Who," have her purr, rub against, and finally squirt all over some jewels to hammer home the point?



Can't say I wouldn't watch that anyways....depending on the actress of course. :cwink:

[hannya]

The Riddler, Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy and Bane all have a chance of reintroduction, but not Catwoman.

While Nolan is directing the franchise I don't think we'll see any villains with superpowers/impossible physiologies/stupid background stories (thank god).
Doesn't that rule out all those mentioned? Anyway we have an excellent villain for the third film in Two-Face, whose character is deliciously layered and deserves a whole film to itself. Is it about making good movies or is it about selling action figures? I hope WB resist embracing the Spiderman syndrome.

[Ned Ryerson]

I'm sure they'd do it like the Joker card in Begins.

I can see it now.

EXT. ROOFTOP

Gordon: Take this bint for example. Jewel Thief. Leaves a calling card.

GORDON HANDS BATMAN A HANDFUL OF FURBALLS.

Batman: I'll look into it... HA-CHOO. I will need antihistamines. Damn. She's smarter than I thought.

====

hannya - Agreed. I was just pointing out that it is more likely for those characters to show up (rejigged to fit in the Nolanverse), then for Catwoman.

[Chucktallica101]

I am I the only one that actually believes that the WB ninja's got to Miranda first?

[Dark52Knight]

No way Catwoman will be in these films............at least I hope not......lets see some Joker, Two face, scarcrow, black mask, cornelius strict, Mad Hatter, and possibly some riddler

[Chucktallica101]

Schwarzie should make a cameo appearance as Mr. Freeze...

[TheBatman072]

Schwarzie should make a cameo appearance as Mr. Freeze...


If there is a Freeze, Jeremy Irons should play him.

[Anita18]

I am I the only one that actually believes that the WB ninja's got to Miranda first?
If they did, they'd probably go after her sources, not her. She was just the messenger.

Her last visit to SHH was yesterday, so she's still around.

[Dark Knight]

While Nolan is directing the franchise I don't think we'll see any villains with superpowers/impossible physiologies/stupid background stories (thank god).
Doesn't that rule out all those mentioned? Anyway we have an excellent villain for the third film in Two-Face, whose character is deliciously layered and deserves a whole film to itself. Is it about making good movies or is it about selling action figures? I hope WB resist embracing the Spiderman syndrome.



Exactly!

[Dark Knight]

I can see it now.

EXT. ROOFTOP

Gordon: Take this bint for example. Jewel Thief. Leaves a calling card.

GORDON HANDS BATMAN A HANDFUL OF FURBALLS.

Batman: I'll look into it... HA-CHOO. I will need antihistamines. Damn. She's smarter than I thought.

====

hannya - Agreed. I was just pointing out that it is more likely for those characters to show up (rejigged to fit in the Nolanverse), then for Catwoman.



LOL!

[American_Idiot]

American Idiot, you sound just like Jett...y'all.

Who?

I dig the band. :woot:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Who?

I dig the band. :woot:

guy who runs

Batman-on -film

[Judson Caspian]

Yeah, Jett actually likes the new Joker. Maybe he should find a replacement.

[regwec]

Jett will "dig" whatever the studio throws before him, so that he can maintain the aura of an "insider", despite his every belief and principle being overturned.

I don't blame him- he has a website to run and a readership to maintain. I just don't think he should be seen as the crusading "fan's fan" anymore.

[IamtheBatman]

I think Jett was pulling for that kind of Joker.

[regwec]

He certainly was once it was shown that it was what were getting anyway.

[Silver Souper]

Jett will "dig" whatever the studio throws before him, so that he can maintain the aura of an "insider", despite his every belief and principle being overturned.

I don't blame him- he has a website to run and a readership to maintain. I just don't think he should be seen as the crusading "fan's fan" anymore.

here here. why does he bother writing opinion pieces anymore? The conclusion is always the same: "I'm all for change. This is gonna be cool trust Nolan."

fine, but that's about as objective as Fox News

[gdw]

here here. why does he bother writing opinion pieces anymore? The conclusion is always the same: "I'm all for change. This is gonna be cool trust Nolan."

fine, but that's about as objective as Fox News

LMAO

[Judson Caspian]

His naive attitude of how great the most miserable and illogical things are sickens you. Even if he faces 500 users on the BoF board, or mailbag, who thinks his ideas are totally out of hand, he's right and they're wrong.

[Dark Knight]

fine, but that's about as objective as Fox News



Yeah...Fox News is blatantly biased toward the conservative side and thats pretty bad. Consider the source though.....Rupert Murdoch owns them...and he is a big time right wing conservative contributor. What a sick joke! A media mogul a big time right winger......NO BUENO....

[L.A.]

Who?

I dig the band. :woot:
Dang, A.I havent seen you in a while!

[Silver Souper]

Yeah...Fox News is blatantly biased toward the conservative side and thats pretty bad. Consider the source though.....Rupert Murdoch owns them...and he is a big time right wing conservative contributor. What a sick joke! A media mogul a big time right winger......NO BUENO....

yup and while you're at it wikipedia roger ailes who runs their content- program director. even scarier.

luckily we have (i say we, but i'm a conservative- a real one, and that's why i don't support Fox, Bush or the GOP currently except for Chuck Hagel and a couple of others). anyway "we" as in the truth seekers- have scarborough, tucker, olbermann, hardball's matthews, PBS, and john stewart and colbert to cry "foul" at the expense of Fox News. The nation is waking up...

now back to batman...

[collegedudejcr01]

well one more time..... does anyone have a picture of the different bat suit that was made a while back that he was talking about? so we can get an idea maybe what it will look like.

http://www.aintitcool.com/image/batman-begins.jpg

[JTIZZLEVILLE]

He certainly was once it was shown that it was what were getting anyway.

Actually, he was for that kind of Joker when Bermejo drew his version of a real life Joker back before Begins came out. He didn't know at the time that it was what we were getting. He liked it because it was practical.

Do your research next time.

[Stanley Ipkiss]

I Think Joker looks fine
:woot:

[American_Idiot]

I Think Joker looks fine
:woot:

I second that. Actually most people outside of here I've talked to who have seen the pic thought it was a big improvement from the Nicholson Joker. People who haven't seen it and I described the new look to have replied with something along the lines of "Daaamn! Sounds like a psychotic Joker! Perfect!".

Once the film is released and we see the new Joker on film, I think most people will approve.

[TheBat812]

He certainly was once it was shown that it was what were getting anyway.
He's always said he loved the cut smile of Lee's drawing, so it's no surprise he likes it.

[regwec]

Yes, but he has always loved everything that there had even a vague sniff of a chance of appearing in a future film. If Nolan scripted a character into his film called "Jett", who has an IQ of 50 and runs a Batman fansite, he would still helpfully inform us that he "digs it y'all", or whatever. In anycase, I don't really dislike him. I just think that his simultaneous posturing as an insider and a campaigning fan, while offering spurious rumours, criticising other sites for posting genuine scoops, and all the while agreeing with everything the studio says or does, is in the best traditions of character comedy.

[TheBatman072]

I second that. Actually most people outside of here I've talked to who have seen the pic thought it was a big improvement from the Nicholson Joker. People who haven't seen it and I described the new look to have replied with something along the lines of "Daaamn! Sounds like a psychotic Joker! Perfect!".

Once the film is released and we see the new Joker on film, I think most people will approve.


It's funny. I showed the picture to someone who doesn't like Batman, or movies apparently(shocking, I know), and they IMMEDIATELY said "Hey, that's Heath Ledger" with me only saying that this is the new picture of the new Joker.

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

I am more interested in how Ledger sounds and laughs as the Joker then how the gay face of The Joker looks anyway.

I'm a Batman fan first and I like the Joker only cuz he is a villian of my hero.

This new image of the Joker doesn't look gay like all the other ones it actually looks scary.

But like I said the Joker has always been more about his persona i.e. His voice,laugh and flamboyance.

[regwec]

This new image of the Joker doesn't look gay [...] the Joker has always been more about his persona i.e. His voice,laugh and flamboyance.

M'kay.

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

M'kay.
Why would you quote me and leave out the complete sentence that I used?

I will reiterate for you, I am saying that the character and the acting of the character is more important then whether or not he has too much or too little make up.

I'ts not about purple suit jackets or green hair. I'ts more about the great quotes/lines and laugh.

I could careless if Batman looked like the Joker and the Joker looked like the Batman.

All I care about is that the personality and spirit of the characters are portrayed the same by the actors as they were intended to be in the comics.

Basically no one should be judging a character in a Nolan directed film by their appearance.

You have to judge Heath Ledger by his performance and acting of the Joker. Not about by this new picture or any to follow.

Don't judge Nolan or Ledger by whether the Jokers jacket is black or purple. Judge the Joker in this movie by his laugh and feel.

So to me right now no one knows if Nolan or Ledger have f'ed up the Joker yet.

We just need to all wait and see the film

[breyfogle_rules]

Why would you quote me and leave out the complete sentence that I used?


He was making a funny observation that you used the word "gay" to describe how the Joker wasn't. But then you went on to describe the Joker as being all about his "voice, laugh and flamboyance." A characteristic that sounds very "gay".

He wasn't disagreeing with you. Just giggling at your funny, and maybe slightly offensive choice of words.

[contemporarydog]

I am more interested in how Ledger sounds and laughs as the Joker then how the gay face of The Joker looks anyway.

I'm a Batman fan first and I like the Joker only cuz he is a villian of my hero.

This new image of the Joker doesn't look gay like all the other ones it actually looks scary.

But like I said the Joker has always been more about his persona i.e. His voice,laugh and flamboyance.

I completely concur. It's all about context. I bet this face will work in the context of the film. People are panicking about nothing. They are forgetting that this is one of the most talented directors working in Hollywood right now, and that not only that, but he actually respects the source material.

[regwec]

Yes, but The Joker doesn't look very good. That's all we're saying. Anything else, be it positive or negative, is all conjecture.

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

Yes, but The Joker doesn't look very good. That's all we're saying. Anything else, be it positive or negative, is all conjecture.
I hear you but was The Joker ever really meant to look good?

He is a villain and one of the more darker ones in the history of comics.

We all know who and what the Joker is.

He is a flamboyant psychotic with almost a necrophile sense of artistry.

Now I don't know if Ledger and Nolan can pull this off in this movie.

But I don't think Romeros, Nicholsons, or even Mark Hamill's interpretation of The Joker reached the full potential and dimension of this great character.

I mean my fav hero is Batman and he is really the star of the show. But I agree that like most villains the Joker is more dynamic.

I guess my question is does the Joker even have to look good to be the Joker?

Can't he just look like what he really is?

Just a seriously f'ed up human being.

Cuz I'm telling you from looking at this new pic I'm definately getting that vibe. I loved Romero and Nicholsons costumes and face but the make up they had almost made them kind of bland.

Now this Face... the one that Nolan has given Ledger. This face to me looks like a face with character and its like his face tells a story all its own.

Put it this way if the sadistic, demented Joker was real and had seen this guys face....

I think he would grin and say

"Now there's.... a good looking guy." *Joker Laugh*

[regwec]

I hear you but was The Joker ever really meant to look good?

I am using the term "good" in the context of what is good quality, effective, or well excecuted. So my answer would be, was he ever really meant to look crap?

[breyfogle_rules]

I hear you but was The Joker ever really meant to look good?
He is a villain and one of the more darker ones in the history of comics.
He is a flamboyant psychotic with almost a necrophile sense of artistry.
But I don't think Romeros, Nicholsons, or even Mark Hamill's interpretation of The Joker reached the full potential and dimension of this great character.
I mean my fav hero is Batman and he is really the star of the show. But I agree that like most villains the Joker is more dynamic.
I guess my question is does the Joker even have to look good to be the Joker?
Cuz I'm telling you from looking at this new pic I'm definately getting that vibe. I loved Romero and Nicholsons costumes and face but the make up they had almost made them kind of bland.



I'm certainly with you on Batman being the star of the show. And I also have never felt Joker's true essence has been more than scratched with what we have previously seen (B89 jokers was fat, old and just acted like Jack).
It's just...Oh I don't know. I think my favorite Joker version of all time was the Dark Knight Returns. That characterization was VERY cinematic, could have really worked on screen while maintaining the traditional look. The Joker is more powerful than Scarecrow, Ra's, Falcone, Two-Face and Maroni combined. He is arguably in the top 3 of the most iconic villains of the 20th century.
And they made him look like he's in some sappy darkwave band from Hamburg. Which is fine. It's just that the only people who think that stuff is cool are people who havent figured out it's not cool yet.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4383/untitled1yz4.jpg

Whatever. The look is a small part of a larger whole. It's just tough to be a look-centric person like myself these days.

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

I am using the term "good" in the context of what is good quality, effective, or well excecuted. So my answer would be, was he ever really meant to look crap?
Well I understood what context you meant.

lol And I say Yes I think he was meant to look like crap. By crap I mean a sick *uck with a lust for mutilation and art.

I think he should look as ugly and as sick as he really is in the inside.

His face should reflect his soul.

It's only my stupid opinion but I think the Joker has never looked more like himself.

I respect everyones opinion and by no means say that mines is right.

I just know what I like thats all and the perversion that I see on this new look for the Joker looks fitting.

I think The Joker, if I could live through his mind, would approve of this look.

Plus like I said to me it really doesn't matter because it all comes down to Ledger portraying the soul and mind of this character. Can't wait to see if he's got the acting chops to do it.

Another thing thats kind of cool is that this is the youngest form of the Joker that we will have ever seen.

He's still a baby lol, so he can start wearing purple suits and practice putting on his lipstick properly later on. lol

:woot:

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

I'm certainly with you on Batman being the star of the show. And I also have never felt Joker's true essence has been more than scratched with what we have previously seen (B89 jokers was fat, old and just acted like Jack).
It's just...Oh I don't know. I think my favorite Joker version of all time was the Dark Knight Returns. That characterization was VERY cinematic, could have really worked on screen while maintaining the traditional look. The Joker is more powerful than Scarecrow, Ra's, Falcone, Two-Face and Maroni combined. He is arguably in the top 3 of the most iconic villains of the 20th century.
And they made him look like he's in some sappy darkwave band from Hamburg. Which is fine. It's just that the only people who think that stuff is cool are people who havent figured out it's not cool yet.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4383/untitled1yz4.jpg

Whatever. The look is a small part of a larger whole. It's just tough to be a look-centric person like myself these days.
lmao that's funny

I don't think he is going to look like those dorks. Everyone has just got to wait a little while longer and wait till we see a whole pic.

We are not seeing his hair, his clothes, and a full pic of him in action. Plus I can't tell you how much more people are going to love this look when you actually see him Grin.

I like that they didn't make him smile in this one it leaves us in anticipation for that moment. Just wait till you see him give an evil look and a big smile. This pic is like looking at just the headlight of a car, just wait till we see the full body and acting then set absolute judgment.

[El KnightoDarko]

Lol at that pic ^^

[bluehit]

Somebody could say me... what happened with Miranda, where is she?

[Boom]

Somebody could say me... what happened with Miranda, where is she?
She left for her own reasons.

[Shot Gun Shy]

how do we/you know that ?
Did she make her own announcement ?
I mean, this is the internet, did her computer get taken away, lol ?

[Judson Caspian]

By crap I mean a sick *uck with a lust for mutilation
Sure. Not on himself, though.

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

Sure. Not on himself, though.
Well he didn't do that to himself.

He was mutilated in an accident and now he tries to give the same back to the world.

[DangerousInc.]

Miranda visits BoF now.

[Super Kal]

BoF?

[DangerousInc.]

Batman On Film:
http://www.batman-on-film.com/jettsmainpage.html

In fact Mirandas there now!!

[RemixSprites]

Miranda visits BoF now.

Which I find odd because Jett usually doesn't allow the type of spoiler-ish information she provides.

[DangerousInc.]

Guess she got sick off the morons saying they love her etc

[Judson Caspian]

Well he didn't do that to himself.I was referring to the lust for mutilation he inflicts on others, not himself.

[Tex]

http://www.aintitcool.com/image/batman-begins.jpg

wow i pray to god thats not what the new suit will be like but thanks for showing me. kinda wish i didnt ask now lol

[Tatsumarushinob]

That's the thing has me most worried. That chain mail business thing about the suit. I THINK WE SHOULD START A NEW THREAD:

SHOW US A PICTURE OF THE NEW SUIT THREAD

[gdw]

I'm certainly with you on Batman being the star of the show. And I also have never felt Joker's true essence has been more than scratched with what we have previously seen (B89 jokers was fat, old and just acted like Jack).
It's just...Oh I don't know. I think my favorite Joker version of all time was the Dark Knight Returns. That characterization was VERY cinematic, could have really worked on screen while maintaining the traditional look. The Joker is more powerful than Scarecrow, Ra's, Falcone, Two-Face and Maroni combined. He is arguably in the top 3 of the most iconic villains of the 20th century.
And they made him look like he's in some sappy darkwave band from Hamburg. Which is fine. It's just that the only people who think that stuff is cool are people who havent figured out it's not cool yet.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4383/untitled1yz4.jpg

Whatever. The look is a small part of a larger whole. It's just tough to be a look-centric person like myself these days.


that whole "he just acted like Jack" thing always bugged me. For two reasons. One, Jack was just letting loose. He is not normally like that.

Two, and most importantly, THAT'S HOW THE JOKER ACTS!!!!! The fact that Jack acts like that himself sometimes waas half of why he was cast. Don't complain that he acted like the Joker simply because he acted like that when he wasn't playing the Joker too. It's called good casting.

[gdw]

That, I believe, was ment to be the burlap of Scarecrow.

[Nebins]

Batman On Film:
http://www.batman-on-film.com/jettsmainpage.html



I don't think that would be the new costume. I don't think they would make such a drastic change to the costume even if it was a part of the story. Logically why would he ever go from his bullet proof suit to a cloth one?

[DangerousInc.]

I doubt thats the new suit too

[killingyouguy]

I think they have to (and they are) going to have a more clothlike suit. For many reasons.

1. How are villains like the Joker, Catwoman, Two-Face, etc. going to do damage to Batman if he's in (virtually) bullet-proof military armour? They need cloth so Catwoman can scratch him and the others can shoot him. Or at least so there is the chance he could get shot/wounded.

2. A more maneuverable suit would allow for better, more natural fight scenes and movement of Batman in general.

3. A more comfortable suit would greatly increase the chances of Bale sticking around.

4. It'd look better, IMO, and is truer to the comics.

And as for explaining the change? Just have the current suit take irreparable damage. Or have a situation where the suit is more of a hindrance than a help so he designs a new one.

Personally I'd like to see the suit be similar to a wetsuit material.

[Shot Gun Shy]

^^^ Agreed.

[American_Idiot]

I am using the term "good" in the context of what is good quality, effective, or well excecuted. So my answer would be, was he ever really meant to look crap?

If by crap you mean "Psychotic, frightening, and realistic" then yes, he certainly does.

[Steelsheen]

I think they have to (and they are) going to have a more clothlike suit. For many reasons.

1. How are villains like the Joker, Catwoman, Two-Face, etc. going to do damage to Batman if he's in (virtually) bullet-proof military armour? They need cloth so Catwoman can scratch him and the others can shoot him. Or at least so there is the chance he could get shot/wounded.
well Catwoman still did some damage to Batman's armor in Batman Returns, although they didnt say there what it was made of. and from Fox's description of the kevlar armor it is vulnerable to straight shots.

but i see where you're coming from about the cloth like suit, hence the word that the new suit would be chain mail-like. they need to have a suit that is flexible enough for comfortable movement but tough enough to ward off most kinds of attacks like gunshots and knife stabs.

[dark_b]

I think they have to (and they are) going to have a more clothlike suit. For many reasons.

1. How are villains like the Joker, Catwoman, Two-Face, etc. going to do damage to Batman if he's in (virtually) bullet-proof military armour? They need cloth so Catwoman can scratch him and the others can shoot him. Or at least so there is the chance he could get shot/wounded.

2. A more maneuverable suit would allow for better, more natural fight scenes and movement of Batman in general.

3. A more comfortable suit would greatly increase the chances of Bale sticking around.

4. It'd look better, IMO, and is truer to the comics.

And as for explaining the change? Just have the current suit take irreparable damage. Or have a situation where the suit is more of a hindrance than a help so he designs a new one.

Personally I'd like to see the suit be similar to a wetsuit material.HHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH HA
lucky batman i guess?


come on dude. did you really just wrotte that he should have a clothlike suit so that catwoman can scratch him?
schumacher is that you?

[DangerousInc.]

HHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH HA
lucky batman i guess?


come on dude. did you really just wrotte that he should have a clothlike suit so that catwoman can scratch him?
schumacher is that you?

lol He did!!

[killingyouguy]

HHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH HA
lucky batman i guess?


come on dude. did you really just wrotte that he should have a clothlike suit so that catwoman can scratch him?
schumacher is that you?

It was an example jackass. He's got to be able to show damage somehow. I mean the only time he took damage in BB (in the suit) that I can remember was when Scarecrow set him on fire. Is it going to take elaborate things like that to get past the suit every time? Batman's skill as a fighter should be enough protection. I mean look at the fight scene at the docks. All well-armed criminals and none could get a shot on him. He didn't really need the suit. But there's going to be times when they need to show him taking damage from villains (shots, cuts, etc.) and it won't be easy with his current one. Unless it's a "straight shot" or an axe or something.

[DangerousInc.]

Nah I like he's got a good protective suit cuz you'd want one so that makes sense plus how he got it in BB was fair enough too. Just means the crimes have to be up there. Plus he'd have to be bullet proof as most villians have guns and Batman would be killed too easy.

[dark_b]

It was an example jackass. He's got to be able to show damage somehow. I mean the only time he took damage in BB (in the suit) that I can remember was when Scarecrow set him on fire. Is it going to take elaborate things like that to get past the suit every time? Batman's skill as a fighter should be enough protection. I mean look at the fight scene at the docks. All well-armed criminals and none could get a shot on him. He didn't really need the suit. But there's going to be times when they need to show him taking damage from villains (shots, cuts, etc.) and it won't be easy with his current one. Unless it's a "straight shot" or an axe or something.so it is a problem that batman has a suit that is practical and protects him?
ok :huh:

[TheBatman072]

It was an example jackass. He's got to be able to show damage somehow. I mean the only time he took damage in BB (in the suit) that I can remember was when Scarecrow set him on fire. Is it going to take elaborate things like that to get past the suit every time? Batman's skill as a fighter should be enough protection. I mean look at the fight scene at the docks. All well-armed criminals and none could get a shot on him. He didn't really need the suit. But there's going to be times when they need to show him taking damage from villains (shots, cuts, etc.) and it won't be easy with his current one. Unless it's a "straight shot" or an axe or something.


He did take a shot from the docks fight. Bad bruise on his arm. Alfred called attention to it.

[Thespiralgoeson]

It was an example jackass. He's got to be able to show damage somehow. I mean the only time he took damage in BB (in the suit) that I can remember was when Scarecrow set him on fire. Is it going to take elaborate things like that to get past the suit every time? I mean look at the fight scene at the docks. All well-armed criminals and none could get a shot on him. He didn't really need the suit. But there's going to be times when they need to show him taking damage from villains (shots, cuts, etc.) and it won't be easy with his current one. Unless it's a "straight shot" or an axe or something.

No thanks. Batman doesn't need to be seriously injured at any point in any movie. He just needs to be challenged.

And yes, he does need the suit. "Batman's skill as a fighter should be enough protection." Whatever man. All the skill in the world isn't going to protect you from a bullet, or a blade. Batman may be skilled enough to take down a few cronies without getting shot or stabbed, but he's not stupid. He's not going to take any risks that can be easily avoided. That's something that's always bothered me about TAS as well as some of the comics. Batman will use anything and everything he can get a hold of to give himself the greatest possible advantage he can, provided it's non-lethal.

If he's skilled enough not to need body armor, then he doesn't need batarangs, or grappling hooks, or the batmobile either.

[Crook]

I'm not in favor of NO armor, but I'm not in favor of overprotection either. You'd have to balance the two out to make it work. In the sequel I'd hope for a bit more flexibility, and if that means sacrificing some armor, then so be it. I want Bruce's agility to be utilized and seen on-screen.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I think his new suit should be made out of that Dragon skin stuff.

[Eros]

http://thomaswood.blogsome.com/images/shark.JPG

Batmans new suit needs to protect him from dangerous things like Sharks.

[killingyouguy]

Batmans new suit needs to protect him from dangerous things like Sharks.

Nah, that's what shark repellent is for. :woot:

[Eros]

Nah, that's what shark repellent is for. :woot:


LOL got to have That to.:woot:

[Chucktallica101]

http://thomaswood.blogsome.com/images/shark.JPG

Batmans new suit needs to protect him from dangerous things like Sharks.

Best movie EVER! (in terms of bat-camp).

[Baba Ghanoush]

I think they have to (and they are) going to have a more clothlike suit. For many reasons.

1. How are villains like the Joker, Catwoman, Two-Face, etc. going to do damage to Batman if he's in (virtually) bullet-proof military armour? They need cloth so Catwoman can scratch him and the others can shoot him. Or at least so there is the chance he could get shot/wounded.

2. A more maneuverable suit would allow for better, more natural fight scenes and movement of Batman in general.

3. A more comfortable suit would greatly increase the chances of Bale sticking around.

4. It'd look better, IMO, and is truer to the comics.

And as for explaining the change? Just have the current suit take irreparable damage. Or have a situation where the suit is more of a hindrance than a help so he designs a new one.

Personally I'd like to see the suit be similar to a wetsuit material.

IMO it doesn't seem logical to me that a progressive step would mean he would wear a suit that was more vulnerable than the body armor suit from BB. If anything he would wear something with equal if not more protection.

[Redwoods Wolf]

Or, he could become more confident in his skills as a fighter, decide he's the next Bruce Lee, and throw on something simple to go fight crime. That's a possibility, too.

I'm not for or against the armor, but I've always liked the classic Batman look and want to see that realized outside "Dead End." and such.

[jimmy]

Here's what I know about the new suit:

Joker fights with Batman and ****s up his suit. Batman goes to his Tumbler, but -- BAM!!!!!! ****ing Joker has that **** wired with a bomb. Bye-Bye Tumbler. We hardly knew ye. And so, Batman escapes by jumping into the river. But his suit has taken damage, and water pours into the suit. He discards it. Enter Lucius Fox.

Badda-Bing, Badda-Boom.

[Baba Ghanoush]

Or, he could become more confident in his skills as a fighter, decide he's the next Bruce Lee, and throw on something simple to go fight crime. That's a possibility, too.

I'm not for or against the armor, but I've always liked the classic Batman look and want to see that realized outside "Dead End." and such.

True, but that sounds too cocky to be batman. I don't think he would risk injury/death on the idea that his fighting skills are so sharp that he'd forego body armor.

IMO, the BB suit set the bar as far as mobility and protection are concerned. I just don't see them going backwards on either mobility or protection in the future films. If anything his next suit will be more mobile and offer greater protection.

[Killing Joke926]

http://thomaswood.blogsome.com/images/shark.JPG

Batmans new suit needs to protect him from dangerous things like Sharks.

"If I can reach my utility belt I might........OH CRAP I FORGOT MY SHARK REPELANT!" Wait here it i........no wait that's my Cat-Hairball remover. CRAP!

[Rynan]

"If I can reach my utility belt I might........OH CRAP I FORGOT MY SHARK REPELANT!" Wait here it i........no wait that's my Cat-Hairball remover. CRAP!

Are you kidding?

It's in the Bat-copter right alongside the Bat-barracuda repellent and the Bat-stingray repellent.:D

[killingyouguy]

IMO it doesn't seem logical to me that a progressive step would mean he would wear a suit that was more vulnerable than the body armor suit from BB. If anything he would wear something with equal if not more protection.

Well you must have misunderstood me (considering what you quoted). I know it wouldn't make logical sense in the movie for Batman to have a suit that offers less protection. But the point I was trying to get across is a suit like that (clothlike) offers more options from a film point of view. You can have villains actually deal damage to Batman (instead of bruising him... :whatever:), more organic fights as Batman would be much more maneuverable, Bale would be more happy with that suit, etc... The only plus that the current suit gives is that it gives Batman extra protection. Which in itself has it's own drawbacks that I said above.

Plus you don't have to have Batman make the illogical decision of discarding his suit for one of lesser protection. Maybe he doesn't have a choice in the matter, the current one takes irreperable damage. It's one of a kind. Makes a new one out of what he can find. Writes itself.

Either way, we're getting a new suit. And it's supposed to be more "clothlike". That's all we really know for sure.

[strikezone89]

http://thomaswood.blogsome.com/images/shark.JPG

Batmans new suit needs to protect him from dangerous things like Sharks.

lol
best movie eveah

[DangerousInc.]

http://thomaswood.blogsome.com/images/shark.JPG

Batmans new suit needs to protect him from dangerous things like Sharks.

lol Classic!

[Killing Joke926]

Are you kidding?

It's in the Bat-copter right alongside the Bat-barracuda repellent and the Bat-stingray repellent.:D

Oh yeah.......no wait I recall the Bat-barracuda repellant being under the bat rocket-launcher chair in the BatMobile. Or was that the bat-lazer can-opener...or maybe it was the B-Pod...*sigh* ALFRED??!!! Fetch me my electronic Bat-Schedule.....no that's Robin's PSP.......(mumbles)......lousy Sony products......:cmad:

[L0ngsh0t]

So, here's the sitch.

The person who cleared up the Cillian misunderstanding from before generously offered to answer any questions I had regarding the Dark Knight. He has also kindly allowed me to share this with you under the following conditions:

I not reveal his identity nor speculate about his connection to the production.

So don't bombard me with PMs, mmmkay?

As an extra precaution, I've decided to reword some of what he said to me. I really do feel like I'm walking on eggshells in regards to the WB and I would never wish to get anyone in trouble. I have also chosen the material I consider most spoilery to be hidden behind tags. Yes, it's the spoiler forum but we had complaints when the sides showed up and I'd like to avoid that this time. I hope you all understand.

Here goes:

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

So that finally clears up that particular tidbit once for all. No hokey Joker origins! :woot:

This I don't regard as a huge spoiler so I'll simply quote it.

Regarding Joker and his minions:



Regarding Maggie's role in the film (again, I don't think this is any kind of huge spoiler, so it's quoted):

This, on the other hand, is!

Regarding the Scarecrow:

I'd say his screen time is a little less than in Begins, although it will be more dramatic. Ever wanted to see the Joker through the eyes of someone under the influence of fear gas? The way the script reads, this scene will be INCREDIBLY ****ed up. It's the scene i'm most looking forward to watching in the cinema

I literally wanted to dance around my room when I read that. Sounds BRILLIANT!

Regarding filming in Ireland:

So, there we are.

I believe this person is geniune. Strongly.

I would like to thank him again for being kind enough to share this. I'm sure the rest of the Hype concurs. :heart:

EDIT 11/5/07: I have passed on some of your questions as pormised and these are the responses I got. I consider this sensitive information so it's under the spoiler tag. This has been mostly paraphrased lest the ninjas are snooping...

Regarding the Joker's look:

The Joker will be more in line with the Bermejo look.

Not surprising. ;)

Secondly, regarding other villians and a certain Miss Kyle:

Selina Kyle is mentioned at the end of the script (which I believe was brought up by a poster here some time last summer...that person is owed quite a few apologies ;) ) but there's a but: the WB is somewhat reluctant to bring Catwoman into the Nolan franchise. Since the Nolans took the trouble to have her mentioned they obviously aren't so - hopefully! - they can talk the WB round there.

Onto other villians - no other cameos but TDK sets up a villian arc for the next film. I think we can all guess who that is!

In regards to the recent spoiler info at BOF:

The notion that the Joker puts on the white make up himself is nonsense. In the script, if i can remember exactly, he's described as 'almost albino' in skin tone. He's theatrical yes, but not to the point of stupidity. He's a freak in more ways than one. [Miranda's Note: That *does not* mean he's an albino, just that the skin looks similar to one. Just in case anyone starts flipping out.]

Joker's clothing:

The Joker does wear purple at one point in the movie, but it's not the bright bright purple of the comic books, from what I've heard, the suit will be at its most comic book like during the scene in which the Joker is seen through the eyes of the fear toxin.

Regarding the new batsuit:



Regarding the Joker's character:



Regarding Bullock and Montoya and their possible inclusion:



Regarding Harvey's Coin

wow I am late to this, great scoop

[Steelsheen]

i wish Miranda would come back :( this forum suddenly got a whole lot more quiet when she left.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I'm a little annoyed she thought she had to leave..wtf happened?

[mad-sci]

According to one of her posts (elsewhere), Miranda left SHH because of the inevitable furore about the Joker pic (which she liked, despite HATING the descriptions of). AND it might of been the endless nagging for spoilers...:yay:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

It would have been the nagging for spoilers.. as for the picture..she loves to debate.

[mad-sci]

I think past experience (The Tumbler, Superman's suit) informed her that Ledger's Joker pic would have a similar response, and frankly who wants to go through THAT again???!!!

[Steelsheen]

According to one of her posts (elsewhere), Miranda left SHH because of the inevitable furore about the Joker pic (which she liked, despite HATING the descriptions of). AND it might of been the endless nagging for spoilers...:yay:
and what... everybody in BOF loved the Joker pic?

if its the nagging for spoilers she can always turn the PM system off, the same with email.

i hope she comes back, even if she has no spoilers to bring. just sharing thoughts is good enough.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I think past experience (The Tumbler, Superman's suit) informed her that Ledger's Joker pic would have a similar response, and frankly who wants to go through THAT again???!!!

agreed, but that is what makes the place fun to come to.

if everyone agreed Jesus, what a boring place to be.

[Steelsheen]

I think past experience (The Tumbler, Superman's suit) informed her that Ledger's Joker pic would have a similar response, and frankly who wants to go through THAT again???!!!

its just opinion. eventually you agree to disagree. either that or dont bother clicking certain threads.

i survived the Casting Wars, the Suit argument and the Tumbler debate are nothing compared to those. its just knowing when to participate in discussions and when to ignore posts.

[mad-sci]

agreed, but that is what makes the place fun to come to.

if everyone agreed Jesus, what a boring place to be.

Arguing about the Joker pic is one thing.


Going to the level that TDK is ruined because Aaron Eckhart's Dent has blond hair, instead of the 'canon' dark hair is another...


Claiming Nolan has no clue and idea of how to approach the Bat-mythos because of 1 PICTURE (compared to doing countless informative interviews, critically acclaimed film experience, AND rejuvinating an almost-dead franchise and getting MOST posters here interested in Batman again in the first place).... that's another level.


Hell, after the blond Dent complaints, I'm not as keen to read here...

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Did anyone ask her how much the script is centred on Bruce/Batman or if there's alot of Joker?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Arguing about the Joker pic is one thing.


Going to the level that TDK is ruined because Aaron Eckhart's Dent has blond hair, instead of the 'canon' dark hair is another...


Claiming Nolan has no clue and idea of how to approach the Bat-mythos because of 1 PICTURE (compared to doing countless informative interviews, critically acclaimed film experience, AND rejuvinating an almost-dead franchise and getting MOST posters here interested in Batman again in the first place).... that's another level.


Hell, after the blond Dent complaints, I'm not as keen to read here...

thats the hype for you, take the rough with the smooth.

[Steelsheen]

thats the hype for you, take the rough with the smooth.

varied opinions, thats what the Hype is all about. :hyper:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

varied opinions, thats what the Hype is all about. :hyper:

And it keeps us coming back for more.

[ultimatefan]

Damn, whatever the reason is, I miss Miranda... Come back baby!!

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Damn, whatever the reason is, I miss Miranda... Come back baby!!

co signed.

come back Miranda:csad: ..

[Steelsheen]

Damn, whatever the reason is, I miss Miranda... Come back baby!!

drop the "baby" part, that could be one of the reasons why she left.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I would imagine those two are friends.


:up:

[Two-Face]

I miss Miranda too but come on let's move on if she doesn't want to return then we should respect the decision she made.

[explode7]

Can someone do a manip of how the Joker will look through the eyes of someone on the fear gas?

[theDarkerKnight]

I wonder if the people complaining about the blonde dent are the ones who loved b89?...because dent was black...

[Judson Caspian]

According to one of her posts (elsewhere), Miranda left SHH because of the inevitable furore about the Joker pic (which she liked, despite HATING the descriptions of).Obviously truth stings.

[ToddIsDead]

I still say that if that's the reason that she left then she should stay away. Anyone that is that intolerant of other people's opinions shouldn't be on such a big and diversely populated message board.

[Spidro Man]

Can someone do a manip of how the Joker will look through the eyes of someone on the fear gas?
Yeah, I'd like to see that.

[Mr. Socko]

Haven't heard from the Fox in a while.

[LostSon88]

Its like that episode of South Park when Bebe got boobs...all the boys became caveman-like and posessive around her.

Same thing here. :cwink: :woot:

[strikezone89]

where's miranda's info? :(

[Rainer7]

Its like that episode of South Park when Bebe got boobs...all the boys became caveman-like and posessive around her.

Same thing here. :cwink: :woot:

:D nice comparison.

[Hush]

So are we getting an acid dump because, i dont have the time to read 30 pages and i would like to know. I really want an acid dump i think its critical to the character.

[American_Idiot]

Maybe she just stops by when she has info to share. Once questions start popping up, she answers them to the best of her abilities, and then when the questions start to repeat, she simply goes back to her everyday life away from these forums, that is, until she receives information on something else she knows the fanboys here wanna hear.

[Crook]

Or maybe she really left and one day we can all move on. Just maybe. :o

[American_Idiot]

Or maybe she really left and one day we can all move on. Just maybe. :o

I could really care less. I appreciate the information she shared with us, but I've never so much as said "hi" to her and visa versa. I think some people are taking it personally that she hasn't posted in awhile. I'm just taking a wild guess that maybe she only comes here and posts when she has information to present.

Just curious, is that s'posed to be her in her avatar pic?

[Crook]

No, that would be Maggie Gyllenhaal.

[American_Idiot]

No, that would be Maggie Gyllenhaal.

So where does this infatuation with her come from? Don't tell me it's simply because she's *gasp*...a female?!!

[American_Idiot]

And to think, this all started with someone being kind enough to let us in on whats going on with our beloved sequel. Let's just sit back and be grateful we now know what we know about the Dark Knight; it's more than we should know.

[DangerousInc.]

^^ Well said and no she didnt leave cuz of money, she left cuz of sicko's on the board.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

The world is a strange place.. Hype is a personification of that.

[Alonsovich]

The world is a strange place.. Hype is a personification of that.

LOL... the world is even crazier than the Hype...:o

[The Batman]

Seriously dude, you're one of the more reasonable posters here. I'm sure what you said had a big part to do with why she's liked, but c'mon. You know that wasn't the main reason. :o :p


yup. retroman has been pulling off what MF did for years...but simly because she was a girl, annoying posters have to do stupid crap. Now she's gone, and not only did we lose a poster who wasnt annoying like alot of the people on these boards, but now any good scoops she had are gone.

Fanboys really do make me sick....

[Joe Kerr]

wtf happened here?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

LOL... the world is even crazier than the Hype...:o

I know my friend, :woot:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

yup. retroman has been pulling off what MF did for years...but simly because she was a girl, annoying posters have to do stupid crap. Now she's gone, and not only did we lose a poster who wasnt annoying like alot of the people on these boards, but now any good scoops she had are gone.

Fanboys really do make me sick....

Me to.!

but i still come here everyday.:o

[dark_b]

is it true that miranda said that they are working on the teaser?

[nightwing07]

this pic of the joker is worse than the fake
i just looks stupid!

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I think Miranda has made the right choice, i just hope when or if she finally returns, the people who stalked have grown up.

[TheBatman072]

So...The Dark Knight...can't wait for it.


Ummm...yeah.

[IamtheBatman]

this pic of the joker is worse than the fake
i just looks stupid!

How did you come to this when everyone was talking about MF.

[nightwing07]

hey
just come back from l.a.
so robin is in the film
wow is it that little boy from bb or is he more mature?