Spoilers Ahoy! (Yep. Really.)

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Robin isn't in the film.

[nightwing07]

well on one of the pages it says he is
bats get knocked of the bridge
and than bats and rob take down the joker

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

he isn't.

trust me.

:)

[kytrigger]

well on one of the pages it says he is
bats get knocked of the bridge
and than bats and rob take down the joker
That's a recap from a comic, not the actual movie. They are using that comic and other as influences, but not using everything. There could very well be a fight on a bridge, but I highly doubt Robin will be in it.

[nightwing07]

im intrigued as to how batman is knocked of the bridge?
is he beaten or just gassed like bb?

[kytrigger]

If I remember correctly, in the comic he was just punched off by Joker. But I may be wrong.

[El KnightoDarko]

If I remember correctly, in the comic he was just punched off by Joker. But I may be wrong.

You are correct.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2645/batman001ug3.jpg

[comic_book_guy]

sounds great!

[dark_b]

I think Miranda has made the right choice, i just hope when or if she finally returns, the people who stalked have grown up.thats the problem. those people will never grow up.

if i would be a mod i would close this thread after the first dumb post. that way this would never happened.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I wouldn't have closed the thread..but locked her post and put it at the top of the forum (sticky), if she got more info, i would add it for her.

That way she would be here.. instead of keeping low.

[kytrigger]

You are correct.

http://imajr.com/temp/d4ebfb91e0_Batman_001_78854.jpeg
I so hope Joker throws mad haymakers at Batman in this movie.

[El KnightoDarko]

I so hope Joker throws mad haymakers at Batman in this movie.

Well, if Nolan is going with the original Joker concept, then the Joker will be quite capable of going toe-to-toe with Batman in a fight.

[Batman FREAK]

^ Hm....I don't see how, but I guess it could work. Wonder if he'll resort to his own odd gadgets in this one? Not as outlandish as '89' of course...

[El KnightoDarko]

^ Hm....I don't see how, but I guess it could work. Wonder if he'll resort to his own odd gadgets in this one? Not as outlandish as '89' of course...

The Joker, as originally envisioned by Bob Kane and Bill Finger, was shown to be a very strong and fast adversary. He could knock Batman on his a$$ several times without the help of gadgets.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3757/myphotozo8.jpg

[Crook]

I'm fine with Joker getting in a few hits more than he normally would, but in no way should he be able to stand toe-to-toe with Bats. That'd just make his extensive training seem pointless and extremely pathetic.

[Batman FREAK]

^ Exactly....doesn't seem right with this Batman.

[El KnightoDarko]

I'm fine with Joker getting in a few hits more than he normally would, but in no way should he be able to stand toe-to-toe with Bats. That'd just make his extensive training seem pointless and extremely pathetic.

I agree. The Joker should not be able to defeat Batman in a fight fair and square, only through trickery and deceit.

I was merely stating that if Nolan was following the original Joker concept, then we would have a significantly stronger and faster Joker than the one we're used to seeing in comic books and TAS.

[BrollySupersj]

Well, all my fears are cleared, but then again. I never doubted anything of this film.

Eat your heart you Ironman.

[TheBatman072]

Well, all my fears are cleared, but then again. I never doubted anything of this film.

Eat your heart you Ironman.


I actually kind of feel bad for Iron Man. I mean, everything I've heard about it so far is great, but it's going up against BATMAN. And the new live-action JOKER.


Let's hope it does well.

[DangerousInc.]

^^It wont :joker:

[TheBatman072]

^^It wont :joker:


How do you know?

[regwec]

If by crap you mean "Psychotic, frightening, and realistic" then yes, he certainly does.

In what phase of the evolution of our shared language has "crap" meant that?

[Lightning Strykez!]

Stop embarassing yourself and this board and shut the F*** up. And dont even bother replying to me. Go hump someone elses leg you f***ing twit.

I see we just have a number of mini-mods active here, eh? You also can take a few days off...


Anyone else?

Here's the rule people: If you see someone acting a fool send me a PM and I will handle it. Posters that troll this (or any other) thread and/or use antagonistic foul language with their peers (like I'm seeing here now) are gonna get probation.

I don't care how passionate you may feel about the subject at hand--or another Hype user--we don't sacrifice courtesy here for the sake of making a point. Articulate yourselves with some respect.

LS

[raybia]

Thanks LS.

[Hunter Rider]

Thanks Cal

When i saw what was in this thread after some members pointed me to it i couldn't believe some of the ungrateful and downright disgusting posts about a poster that brought us some news in the slow times and was always fun......she is better off gone i'd say and take note,these are not warnings or infractions,that is why I brought it to a global, these 2 ppl have been probated,their is zero tolerance for that kind of attack on another poster

[Lightning Strykez!]

Agreed Hunter. I will talk to her and see if we can bring her back.

In the meantime, some of you cats need to settle the hell down. :down

[raybia]

Thanks Cal

When i saw what was in this thread after some members pointed me to it i couldn't believe some of the ungrateful and downright disgusting posts about a poster that brought us some news in the slow times and was always fun......she is better off gone i'd say and take note,these are not warnings or infractions,that is why I brought it to a global, these 2 ppl have been probated,their is zero tolerance for that kind of attack on another poster


Can they original post by deleted along with it used as a quote in other posts? I would rather Miranda not see it if she hasn't already.

[Hunter Rider]

Can they original post by deleted along with it used as a quote in other posts? I would rather Miranda not see it if she hasn't already.

If it's fine with Cal for me to delete his post to Jud then yes i'll delete the posts

[Lightning Strykez!]

There are 33 pages worth of posts here though. Deleting them would significantly affect the posts counts of quite a few people--which would open the door for more complaints. I wouldn't recommend it.

We can look at locking the thread and sticking it however.

[raybia]

If it's fine with Cal for me to delete his post to Jud then yes i'll delete the posts

:up:

[raybia]

There are 33 pages worth of posts here though. Deleting them would significantly affect the posts counts of quite a few people--which would open the door for more complaints. I wouldn't recommend it.

We can look at locking the thread and sticking it however.

Just deleting the original post of Judson and any where his quote was used.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Just deleting the posts of Judson and any where his quote was used.

That sounds acceptable to me; great idea. :up:

And since this is Hunter's domain, I will let him have the glorious task of combing through all these pages for it. Enjoy baby boy! :D

[Hunter Rider]

There are 33 pages worth of posts here though. Deleting them would significantly affect the posts counts of quite a few people--which would open the door for more complaints. I wouldn't recommend it.

We can look at locking the thread and sticking it however.

Ive went back and just took the Jud posts out,the other stuff is not so bad just whiny,it was the personal one on the last 3 pages i removed and if it's cool i'll remove your quote of his post.......I can PM him as to why he was probated if you wish

[Hunter Rider]

That sounds acceptable to me; great idea. :up:

And since this is Hunter's domain, I will let him have the glorious task of combing through all these pages for it. Enjoy baby boy! :D

Job's done:woot: Maybe we should just lock this now i'm thinking as it's not gonna get updated anytime soon

[itsthebatman]

Job's done:woot: Maybe we should just lock this now i'm thinking as it's not gonna get updated anytime soon
Leave it open, HR. Just in case... And maybe another Hyper will get some scoops that they can put in here, or can at least be discussed in here.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Ive went back and just took the Jud posts out,the other stuff is not so bad just whiny,it was the personal one on the last 3 pages i removed and if it's cool i'll remove your quote of his post.......I can PM him as to why he was probated if you wish


When he first logs on next time he'll have an automated message from me, but if you want to expand on that, that's fine. Ditto for closing the thread...that's your call too; but I think others may want to get back to discussing things again.

[raybia]

Damn, whatever the reason is, I miss Miranda... Come back baby!!

Co-signed.


Raybia

[Katsuro]

If by crap you mean "Psychotic, frightening, and realistic" then yes, he certainly does.

I'm starting to seriously wonder whether or not some of you know the meaning of the word "realistc". I'm dead serious here. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound, calling a huge cut smile more realistic than a natural smile?

All this "realistic" Joker talk is boggling my mind. There's NOTHING realistic about what we've seen of Nolan's take on Joker. All the aspects these realism advocates used to talk about dont seem to be present here. He's still got chalk-white skin (as opposed to the barely albino skin tone some expected) and his hair is a bright green (not the dark, nearly-black green in a lot of manips). Even his outfits aren't too far off, as he still dresses snazzy. Add to that a huge wound on his face that doesn't impair his ability to smile, like it should, and WHERE THE HELL IS THE REALISM!?!

Realism does not equel "whatever Nolan does". I'm sorry, but that's not the official definition.

[regwec]

Realism does not equel "whatever Nolan does". I'm sorry, but that's not the official definition.

Sigged!

[PretentiousMan]

Well, I'm going to blame Nolan rather than his fans. Here I go!

[Hunter Rider]

Leave it open, HR. Just in case... And maybe another Hyper will get some scoops that they can put in here, or can at least be discussed in here.

When he first logs on next time he'll have an automated message from me, but if you want to expand on that, that's fine. Ditto for closing the thread...that's your call too; but I think others may want to get back to discussing things again.

Well if he is getting an automated response that will do,he can read the thread if he needs more details

and taking into account both your post and the one from itsthebatman above i'll let this stay open but from now on no more Miranda talk ok guys ? just talk about the film and possible spoilers

[raybia]

I'm starting to seriously wonder whether or not some of you know the meaning of the word "realistc". I'm dead serious here. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound, calling a huge cut smile more realistic than a natural smile?

All this "realistic" Joker talk is boggling my mind. There's NOTHING realistic about what we've seen of Nolan's take on Joker. All the aspects these realism advocates used to talk about dont seem to be present here. He's still got chalk-white skin (as opposed to the barely albino skin tone some expected) and his hair is a bright green (not the dark, nearly-black green in a lot of manips). Even his outfits aren't too far off, as he still dresses snazzy. Add to that a huge wound on his face that doesn't impair his ability to smile, like it should, and WHERE THE HELL IS THE REALISM!?!

Realism does not equel "whatever Nolan does". I'm sorry, but that's not the official definition.



Great post! (And realistic too!:woot: )

[nightwing07]

wut forum pages include script details
i have been away vacation long story!
anything interesting?

[itsthebatman]

I'm starting to seriously wonder whether or not some of you know the meaning of the word "realistc". I'm dead serious here. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound, calling a huge cut smile more realistic than a natural smile?

All this "realistic" Joker talk is boggling my mind. There's NOTHING realistic about what we've seen of Nolan's take on Joker. All the aspects these realism advocates used to talk about dont seem to be present here. He's still got chalk-white skin (as opposed to the barely albino skin tone some expected) and his hair is a bright green (not the dark, nearly-black green in a lot of manips). Even his outfits aren't too far off, as he still dresses snazzy. Add to that a huge wound on his face that doesn't impair his ability to smile, like it should, and WHERE THE HELL IS THE REALISM!?!

Realism does not equel "whatever Nolan does". I'm sorry, but that's not the official definition.
Great post. If people like Nolan's Joker, great. But don't like it because it's 'realistic' or 'logical', because if that's what you believe, you need to get a dictionary and look up the definition of 'realistic'.

[Excel]

waitttt....mf got banned? why? that sucks.

[Superman4ever]

It doesn't say she's banned! This place is creepy...I just noticed the "Thank you" thread. :(

[raybia]

waitttt....mf got banned? why? that sucks.





No.

[Manveet]

I'm starting to seriously wonder whether or not some of you know the meaning of the word "realistc". I'm dead serious here. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound, calling a huge cut smile more realistic than a natural smile?

All this "realistic" Joker talk is boggling my mind. There's NOTHING realistic about what we've seen of Nolan's take on Joker. All the aspects these realism advocates used to talk about dont seem to be present here. He's still got chalk-white skin (as opposed to the barely albino skin tone some expected) and his hair is a bright green (not the dark, nearly-black green in a lot of manips). Even his outfits aren't too far off, as he still dresses snazzy. Add to that a huge wound on his face that doesn't impair his ability to smile, like it should, and WHERE THE HELL IS THE REALISM!?!

Realism does not equel "whatever Nolan does". I'm sorry, but that's not the official definition.

I'm having some issues with your reasoning.

The Joker is obviously scarred in some kind of freak accident/incident which left his face mutilated. How is this not "realistic"? I guess in real life people can't suffer any kind of injury to the face?

Nolan could have used just a regular smile, but he didn't. I believe he thinks that using the "cut smile" adds another REAL element to the character, and I agree with him.

In regards to your other point, how can we rule out that the Joker does not apply the white powder to own his skin? Or dye his hair a bright green color? We obviously KNOW that he applies some kind of pigment around his mouth in order to exaggerate his already mutilated smile, why can't he go a bit further and apply the white power + green hair in order to "complete the effect". How is this NOT realistic? We are obviously not dealing with a sane individual here.

[Rezzo]

I'm having some issues with your reasoning.

The Joker is obviously scarred in some kind of freak accident/incident which left his face mutilated. How is this not "realistic"? I guess in real life people can't suffer any kind of injury to the face?

Nolan could have used just a regular smile, but he didn't. I believe he thinks that using the "cut smile" adds another REAL element to the character, and I agree with him.

In regards to your other point, how can we rule out that the Joker does not apply the white powder to own his skin? Or dye his hair a bright green color? We obviously KNOW that he applies some kind of pigment around his mouth in order to exaggerate his already mutilated smile, why can't he go a bit further and apply the white power + green hair in order to "complete the effect". How is this NOT realistic? We are obviously not dealing with a sane individual here.

Well said

[Katsuro]

I'm having some issues with your reasoning.

The Joker is obviously scarred in some kind of freak accident/incident which left his face mutilated. How is this not "realistic"? I guess in real life people can't suffer any kind of injury to the face?

I'm not saying it's on it's own unrealistic, i'm saying that people claiming it's MORE realistic are ludicrous.

People CAN suffer injuries to the face, but they cant also NOT suffer injuries to the face. I'm one of those people that has not suffered an injury to the face, and i'm real.

And even then, a gash like that to the mouth would take a long time to heal, and with all the damage to the facial muscles... smiling would be hard. Hell, talking would be hard. Laughing would be outright impossible.

In regards to your other point, how can we rule out that the Joker does not apply the white powder to own his skin? Or dye his hair a bright green color? We obviously KNOW that he applies some kind of pigment around his mouth in order to exaggerate his already mutilated smile, why can't he go a bit further and apply the white power + green hair in order to "complete the effect". How is this NOT realistic? We are obviously not dealing with a sane individual here.

Sorry, but as much as this cut-smile thing has shaken my faith in Nolan, it hasn't stooped low enough to believe the guy would give us a Joker who applies his own make-up. I'm seriously telling you I would not see this film were that the case. It's too much a change and destroys the very essence of the character.

Trust me, that skin and hair are permanent. If i'm wrong, you wont be able to gloat since I'll leave these forums.

[Sccmj23]

I think this whole Joker scar thing is utter bull****. It's like something a 14 year old would come up with. Far too gimmicky for Nolan.

I was thinking the exact same thing

[Manveet]

I'm not saying it's on it's own unrealistic, i'm saying that people claiming it's MORE realistic are ludicrous.

People CAN suffer injuries to the face, but they cant also NOT suffer injuries to the face. I'm one of those people that has not suffered an injury to the face, and i'm real.

And even then, a gash like that to the mouth would take a long time to heal, and with all the damage to the facial muscles... smiling would be hard. Hell, talking would be hard. Laughing would be outright impossible.



Sorry, but as much as this cut-smile thing has shaken my faith in Nolan, it hasn't stooped low enough to believe the guy would give us a Joker who applies his own make-up. I'm seriously telling you I would not see this film were that the case. It's too much a change and destroys the very essence of the character.

Trust me, that skin and hair are permanent. If i'm wrong, you wont be able to gloat since I'll leave these forums.

Well, since I don't have a degree in medicine and my knowledge of the human body's healing capacities is limited, I can't comment much about the medical after effects of a facial injury.

In regards to your second point, why is that such a big deal? Why MUST the joker have permanent green hair and white skin? Because it says so in the comics? That's just ludicrous. The character's look and motivation is FAR more important in my opinion. The application of the makeup by the character just adds another dimension to his personality. Kind of like how Batman dresses up like a bat. It makes us wonder WHY he does that. It makes the character become more ambiguous in general. It's a hell of a lot better than having some normal human being fall into a vat of chemicals and come out as an "evil clown".

[Doc Holliday]

Well, since I don't have a degree in medicine and my knowledge of the human body's healing capacities is limited, I can't comment much about the medical after effects of a facial injury.

In regards to your second point, why is that such a big deal? Why MUST the joker have permanent green hair and white skin? Because it says so in the comics? That's just ludicrous. The character's look and motivation is FAR more important in my opinion. The application of the makeup by the character just adds another dimension to his personality. Kind of like how Batman dresses up like a bat. It makes us wonder WHY he does that. It makes the character become more ambiguous in general. It's a hell of a lot better than having some normal human being fall into a vat of chemicals and come out as an "evil clown".

Joker applying his white makeup would be like Two Face wearing a mask on half his face. It's an integral part of the character, and a reason he is evil and insane. If you fell into a vat of chemicals and came out looking all bleached, wouldn't you probably have alot of anger issues with the person who caused that to happen to you? It's already been said Batman indirectly causes Joker to be Joker, so he's mad at Batman personally, and has a vendetta there. But beyond that, he is just crazy and a lunatic and a homicidal maniac, which I believe he was before the chemical bath. However, the chemical bath is what makes him The Joker. Otherwise he would just be some looney serial killer who giggles alot.

[Rezzo]

Joker applying his white makeup would be like Two Face wearing a mask on half his face. It's an integral part of the character, and a reason he is evil and insane. If you fell into a vat of chemicals and came out looking all bleached, wouldn't you probably have alot of anger issues with the person who caused that to happen to you? It's already been said Batman indirectly causes Joker to be Joker, so he's mad at Batman personally, and has a vendetta there. But beyond that, he is just crazy and a lunatic and a homicidal maniac, which I believe he was before the chemical bath. However, the chemical bath is what makes him The Joker. Otherwise he would just be some looney serial killer who giggles alot.

The movies ARE NOT the comics

[Doc Holliday]

The comics ARE NOT the movies

Please read the link in my signature so I don't have to copy and paste all of that post again.

[Rezzo]

Please read the link in my signature so I don't have to copy and paste all of that post again.

Already read it, I´m not sure some people describe the ¨realistic¨ factor very well and that leaves many confused on it but hey I ain´t gonna explain it cause I don´t wanna type that much

[Manveet]

Joker applying his white makeup would be like Two Face wearing a mask on half his face. It's an integral part of the character, and a reason he is evil and insane. If you fell into a vat of chemicals and came out looking all bleached, wouldn't you probably have alot of anger issues with the person who caused that to happen to you? It's already been said Batman indirectly causes Joker to be Joker, so he's mad at Batman personally, and has a vendetta there. But beyond that, he is just crazy and a lunatic and a homicidal maniac, which I believe he was before the chemical bath. However, the chemical bath is what makes him The Joker. Otherwise he would just be some looney serial killer who giggles alot.

I believe Joker is a man is teetering on the edge of insanity only to be pushed over by a single, traumatic event. I believe that's precisely where the mutilation to his face will fit in. The fact that he ends up becoming this demented, twisted Joker character not only reveals his inner psychosis, but is also quite ironic in and of itself.

So the chemical bath doesn't need to MAKE him the joker. Almost any event will do. The whole clown theme appears to play a significant role in the Joker's life well before he undergoes his transformation. This is appears to be evident from the stills that we see of Ledger doing bank heists with a clown's mask on.

[Doc Holliday]

Already read it, I´m not sure some people describe the ¨realistic¨ factor very well and that leaves many confused on it but hey I ain´t gonna explain it cause I don´t wanna type that much

Well, you are right, the comics and movies aren't the same, but does that make it okay for Nolan to make a movie called Batman and make it about a guy is half-bat and flies around all day fighting crime? No. You want it to be about what the comics are about. True, there is room for interpretation, but as I said, it is a core element of the Joker's character for him to have the white face.

[Manveet]

Well, you are right, the comics and movies aren't the same, but does that make it okay for Nolan to make a movie called Batman and make it about a guy is half-bat and flies around all day fighting crime? No. You want it to be about what the comics are about. True, there is room for interpretation, but as I said, it is a core element of the Joker's character for him to have the white face.

What if there were a "happy medium" i.e an event alters him physically, but then he enhances the look through makeup?

That makes more sense to me rather than having some guy come out of a vat of chemicals and look like the perfect parody of a clown.

[Rezzo]

Well, you are right, the comics and movies aren't the same, but does that make it okay for Nolan to make a movie called Batman and make it about a guy is half-bat and flies around all day fighting crime? No. You want it to be about what the comics are about. True, there is room for interpretation, but as I said, it is a core element of the Joker's character for him to have the white face.

Well it would be going away from the comics to have the Joker simply put on the white makeup instead of it being permanent but I have no problem having him put on the makeup as long as he has the personality of the Joker

[Doc Holliday]

What if there were a "happy medium" i.e an event alters him physically, but then he enhances the look through makeup?

That makes more sense to me rather than having some guy come out of a vat of chemicals and look like the perfect parody of a clown.

It depends on how it's approached.

[Manveet]

It depends on how it's approached.

But couldn't you agree that is sounds better even in theory.

You can't argue that having some guy come out of a vat of chemicals looking like a demented clown isn't at least somewhat contrived.

[Doc Holliday]

But couldn't you agree that is sounds better even in theory.

You can't argue that having some guy come out of a vat of chemicals looking like a demented clown isn't at least somewhat contrived.

True, it's contrived, but that's the point. It's fantasy. It's a story from a comic book. The same medium from which we got a guy who can instantly light himself on fire, a guy who is actually an alien and gains super powers such as flight and super strength from our sun, and a guy who was bitten by a radioactive spider and got spider-like powers from it.

[Manveet]

True, it's contrived, but that's the point. It's fantasy. It's a story from a comic book. The same medium from which we got a guy who can instantly light himself on fire, a guy who is actually an alien and gains super powers such as flight and super strength from our sun, and a guy who was bitten by a radioactive spider and got spider-like powers from it.

This is true and I agree.

However, if Nolan couldn't come up with a better alternative to the vat of chemicals origin, then it wouldn't be worth it to me (or even him) to bother messing with it. I think Nolan is gonna do something worthwhile and interesting with the character. I already alluded to the possible irony behind the cut smile and Joker theme. I think if Nolan follows along that line (or something just as interesting) it will really bring the character's story to life on screen. It'll make the character a hell of a lot more cerebral (just a like Batman) and the parallel between the characters would work out just as well.

[Doc Holliday]

This is true and I agree.

However, if Nolan couldn't come up with a better alternative to the vat of chemicals origin, then it wouldn't be worth it to me (or even him) to bother messing with it. I think Nolan is gonna do something worthwhile and interesting with the character. I already alluded to the possible irony behind the cut smile and Joker theme. I think if Nolan follows along that line (or something just as interesting) it will really bring the character's story to life on screen. It'll make the character a hell of a lot more cerebral (just a like Batman) and the parallel between the characters would work out just as well.

I agree, Nolan's got the character down pat.

[Katsuro]

Well, since I don't have a degree in medicine and my knowledge of the human body's healing capacities is limited, I can't comment much about the medical after effects of a facial injury.

In regards to your second point, why is that such a big deal? Why MUST the joker have permanent green hair and white skin? Because it says so in the comics? That's just ludicrous. The character's look and motivation is FAR more important in my opinion. The application of the makeup by the character just adds another dimension to his personality. Kind of like how Batman dresses up like a bat. It makes us wonder WHY he does that. It makes the character become more ambiguous in general. It's a hell of a lot better than having some normal human being fall into a vat of chemicals and come out as an "evil clown".

Dont you realize that it CHANGES his motivation? If he's just some guy who decided he wants to look like a clown, how is that not a drastic change in terms of character? It'd be like Batman's parents not dying, he just instead thought it'd be fun to dress up like a bat. What makes these characters do what they do is equally as important as what they end up doing.

sure, the vat of chemicals thing could be replaced, but he CAN NOT do it to himself. It has to be a permanent deformity, and not some white powder and green hair dye.

[Doc Holliday]

Dont you realize that it CHANGES his motivation? If he's just some guy who decided he wants to look like a clown, how is that not a drastic change in terms of character? It'd be like Batman's parents not dying, he just instead thought it'd be fun to dress up like a bat. What makes these characters do what they do is equally as important as what they end up doing.

sure, the vat of chemicals thing could be replaced, but he CAN NOT do it to himself. It has to be a permanent deformity, and not some white powder and green hair dye.

You said what I couldn't put into words.

I give you a strong "1.21 GIGAWATTS?!!" for that. :D

[Steelsheen]

yup. retroman has been pulling off what MF did for years...but simly because she was a girl, annoying posters have to do stupid crap. Now she's gone, and not only did we lose a poster who wasnt annoying like alot of the people on these boards, but now any good scoops she had are gone.

Fanboys really do make me sick....

everything i wanted to say in a nutshell.


I think Miranda has made the right choice, i just hope when or if she finally returns, the people who stalked have grown up.
in that case she'll never show up until after oh.. 10 yrs or so.


Agreed Hunter. I will talk to her and see if we can bring her back.

thanks LS! would really appreciate that.
i mean if she flats out turns us down, well that makes it official. i just hate to think we chased her away that's all.

anyway, back to spoilers... it was mentioned that Heath was gonna be in full Joker makeup for a certain closeup at the bank. with the USA today picture hitting headlines looks like the spoiler was 100% true :up:

[American_Idiot]

Dont you realize that it CHANGES his motivation? If he's just some guy who decided he wants to look like a clown, how is that not a drastic change in terms of character? It'd be like Batman's parents not dying, he just instead thought it'd be fun to dress up like a bat. What makes these characters do what they do is equally as important as what they end up doing.

sure, the vat of chemicals thing could be replaced, but he CAN NOT do it to himself. It has to be a permanent deformity, and not some white powder and green hair dye.

The Joker has no definitive origin story. Batman does.

Falling into a vat of chemicals is one of his origins. Simply being an insane murderous madman since the day he first crept out from the shadows is another. We've seen him as a failed comedian, we've seen him as a mafia hitman, we've seen him as a mob boss. So Nolan's deciding not to go the vat of chemicals route would not be quite the same as Bruce's parents not dying.

I do agree with you though that his white complexion should be something rather than white powder/makeup. Maybe he's albino, maybe he'll mention "an accident" that left his skin permanently white, or maybe it's left open for debate...

[Nepenthes]

^ sorry but the chem bath is the only explanation ever offered for the white and green. whether he was a comedian, a mobster, a child who tortured animals....that all comes before

EDIT: that doesn't mean Nolan can't change it around tho. e.g being buried by mobsters in a chemical factory or dump, whatever, But in the comics the chem bath is pretty much canon.

[American_Idiot]

Hmm. You seem sure about this, so I'll take your word for it. In that case, the Joker mentioning "the accident" that made him what he is would work. He is not responsible for the death of Batman's parents in Nolan's films (staying true to Batman's origins), so there's no need for "You made me...I made you" here; just a simple good vs. evil theme will do.

The GCPD being partially responsible for the Joker's accident would be just fine. It'd give Joker good reason to despise Gordan...

[itsthebatman]

The Joker has no definitive origin story. Batman does.

Falling into a vat of chemicals is one of his origins. Simply being an insane murderous madman since the day he first crept out from the shadows is another. We've seen him as a failed comedian, we've seen him as a mafia hitman, we've seen him as a mob boss. So Nolan's deciding not to go the vat of chemicals route would not be quite the same as Bruce's parents not dying.

I do agree with you though that his white complexion should be something rather than white powder/makeup. Maybe he's albino, maybe he'll mention "an accident" that left his skin permanently white, or maybe it's left open for debate...
Agreed about the Joker. Not so much Batman. Yes, his parents are killed, and, yes, there is the graveside scene, but after that, the period up until Batman first appears in Gotham is up for grabs. We get hints alright ('The Man Who Falls', 'Blind Justice', 'Tao') but not a really complete picture. BB ran with that gap and filled it nicely.

[regwec]

*Takes deep, calming breath*

In regards to your second point, why is that such a big deal? Why MUST the joker have permanent green hair and white skin? Because it says so in the comics? That's just ludicrous.

When Christopher Nolan agreed to direct a Batman movie, he knew that he would be taking care of intellectual property that had lived, grown and refined itself over decades. He will understand that, while innovation is welcome, these properties are identifiable as such because they have consistent characteristics. I treat the comics as the spine of the mythology, upon which the rainment of film, television, etc can be arrayed. Whatever your attitude to this, you must agree that characters like The Joker have certain things that make them recognisable as The Joker, both visually and narratively. This is one of those core qualities. If The Joker's nature and being is revised in this way, then he becomes another character.

The character's look and motivation is FAR more important in my opinion.

The Joker as a daemon created by the fates as opposed to The Joker as a common criminal who uses facepaint as a gimmick is a profound alteration of his motivation.

The application of the makeup by the character just adds another dimension to his personality.

No, it turns him into a different character.

Kind of like how Batman dresses up like a bat. It makes us wonder WHY he does that. It makes the character become more ambiguous in general. It's a hell of a lot better than having some normal human being fall into a vat of chemicals and come out as an "evil clown".

Batman has always been Bruce Wayne, who dresses up as a Bat. That is partly what constitutes the spine of his character, so it it acceptable not to say essential that Chris reflect that in his films. The Joker has never been an ordinary man that decides to paint himself. That would be a new character entirely.

I agree that the idea of a magic Jokerfying bleech is a little...theatrically lurid for a filmaker like Chris, but his solution should be to adopt and adapt that imagery as he sees fit, rather than to adandon it entirely and invent a new character with the same name.

[conan69]

So I dont have to look through 30+ pages.....

AMH is in the film and peopel are suspecting Riddler. Does Riddler make a appearance? How about Langstrom?

[Nepenthes]

I agree that the idea of a magic Jokerfying bleech is a little...theatrically lurid for a filmaker like Chris, but his solution should be to adopt and adapt that imagery as he sees fit, rather than to adandon it entirely and invent a new character with the same name.

I don't see why it's so hard to work with or adapt the chemical bath at all. The hair colour in the new pic is already a yellowy shade reminiscent of green chlorine hair, and bleached skin is hardly a radically concept. It's not going to undermine the tone of these flicks anymore than more than robbing a bank with a school bus or wearing a cut smile already will.

[Nepenthes]

So I dont have to look through 30+ pages.....

If this hasnt been asked, who is Anthony Michael Hall playing?

No one knows. Maybe Riddler or a vigilante.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I still believe he is working for Moroni, maybe playing his son..or right hand man.

[nightwing07]

where can i read the script
is it leaked yet?

[Nepenthes]

I still believe he is working for Moroni, maybe playing his son..or right hand man.

Falconi's son is possible too, considering Maroni needs another mobster crew to quarrel with...

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Falconi's son is possible too, considering Maroni needs another mobster crew to quarrel with...



You're right.. damn good thinking.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Nice to see this thread has revitalized itself. Keep up the good work gents. :up:

[CrashNburn]

Is There A Leaked Script?

[itsthebatman]

Is There A Leaked Script?
Nope, just the sides so far. I doubt this script is going to get out.

[CrashNburn]

thanks! i wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get leaked.

[Dark Knight]

Nope, just the sides so far. I doubt this script is going to get out.



I think it will get leaked...but only when the WB or Nolan allow it to be leaked. It most likely won't be anytime soon. It also might just end up being the first draft and not the final shooting script as well.

Then again....perhaps the sides could have been considered a script leak? :huh: Who knows....

[Nepenthes]

They should leak a decoy script where the Joker goes crazy and fcks up the plot and we all think it's the real movie.

[jsf]

lol, yeah cause that wouldn't cause shear panic... specialy on these boards.


where are these sides?

[Nepenthes]

last page of the TDK Casting Side thread

[jsf]

Thanks

[jsf]

Ok so in the second of the new pics from the Imax filming you see a close up of a person who imguessing is supposed to be teh joker with someone in the background pointing a gun at either him or someone off screen and i think that maybe this blurb from one of the sides may fit in here


GRUMPY
Four of a kind. Let's do this.

Chuckles checks his automatic weapon.

CHUCKLES
Four guys? That's it?

GRUMPY
There's two on the roof. Every guy is an extra share. Six shares is plenty.

CHUCKLES
Seven shares. Don't forget the guy who planned the job.

GRUMPY
Yeah? he thinks he can sit it out and still take a slice - he's out of his mind.

CHUCKLES
You gonna tell him that?

Grumpy flashes a gun.

GRUMPY
Right after I put two in his heart.

CHUCKLES
If you can find his heart. Some say he ain't even human.

GRUMPY
You mean the chicken ****s who believe in ghost. That you?

CHUCKLES
Hey, guys harder than the both of us are afraid of him...

GRUMPY
Look, you wanna hang back and tell scary stories, be my guess. Just means a larger share for me.

CHUCKLES
You know what? You're onto something.

GRUMPY
What?

Chuckles aims his weapon at Grumpy.

CHUCKLES
Less guys. Larger shares.

[regwec]

Yes, it does fit. Nevertheless, the man having a gun pointed towards him in the photo is wearing clothing in which Ledger has been seen. Having said that, the same man has fleshy colouring around his eyes, which makes no sense with a view to the bank manager side. Also, the man holding the gun is wearing much more "Jokery" clothing.

[LostSon88]

Wait so is Joker "Chuckles" or "Grumpy"?

[regwec]

Chuckles seems likely, though this creates a problem with this photo.

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/joker_mask_tdk.jpg

Chuckles would seem to be the man at the back, but Ledger has been seen in the clothes of the man in the foreground.

[Cinemaman]

^^^

I guess Chuckles.

[Steelsheen]

Wait so is Joker "Chuckles" or "Grumpy"?

we believe it to be Chuckles reading from the sides

but based on the photo above, it could be Grumpy.

its entirely possible that there's more to the script than what we have posted above where Grumpy (if he is the Joker) gets the upper hand.

[regwec]

But Chuckles sounds just like The Joker, and he is probably intended to be the "guy who planned the job" in disguise.

Edit: Again, the man in the forground also has flesh colour around his eyes.

[FlawlessVictory]

Joker is Grumpy. If you look at Grumpy's suit, it matches the suit that Ledger was wearing on the set. Plus, I'm pretty sure they are going for some irony with the Joker as Grumpy.

[regwec]

How come The Joker doesn't have a white face, then? And why are his lines so wrong for the character?

[LostSon88]

How come The Joker doesn't have a white face, then? And why are his lines so wrong for the character?

According to spoilers, Jokers wearing skin toned face paint to throw off his own goons...perhaps that's why they're so comfortable to talk s*** about him...they don't know he's there...

[regwec]

But The Joker needs to take off his mask and reveal who he is for the bank manager scene to work. He can have a flesh colour on his neck, ears etc, but his face needs to be recogniseably Joker.

[FlawlessVictory]

How come The Joker doesn't have a white face, then?

Hasn't the idea been floating around that he is using flesh colored makeup? To hide himself even from his goons?

And why are his lines so wrong for the character?

Wrong how? Like the Joker would never say those things?

[LostSon88]

But The Joker needs to take off his mask and reveal who he is for the bank manager scene to work. He can have a flesh colour on his neck, ears etc, but his face needs to be recogniseably Joker.

We don't know the circumstances of how the mask comes off but when it does, it will be the Joker in his true appearance...my best bet is that he wipes the makeup off his entire face?

It could be a very twisted reveal...

:chills:

[Juggernaut33]

we believe it to be Chuckles reading from the sides

but based on the photo above, it could be Grumpy.

its entirely possible that there's more to the script than what we have posted above where Grumpy (if he is the Joker) gets the upper hand.

Joker is Grumpy. I think he is the guy that planed the whole thing. That's just so Joker. It is gonna be a great twist, I think.

[regwec]

Then why does The Joker speak like a moron? Or recommend ripping himself off? Why does he have flesh coloured makeup on his face, when he apparently does not moments later? Why does chuckles sound just like The Joker, and wear a purple suit?

[LostSon88]

See that's the thing, we're back to speculating as to whether or not Joker is Grumpy or Chuckles...we seriously have no clue.

I remeber people saying he was Grumpy, as it corrosponds with how his clown mask looks.

But Grumpy's lines in that page don't make any sense, so now, I have no idea.

[FlawlessVictory]

Then why does The Joker speak like a moron? Or recommend ripping himself off? Why does he have flesh coloured makeup on his face, when he apparently does not moments later? Why does chuckles sound just like The Joker, and wear a purple suit?

Can't we agree on though that we have seen Ledger in the same suit that Grumpy has on?

[The Only Woj]

Then why does The Joker speak like a moron? Or recommend ripping himself off? Why does he have flesh coloured makeup on his face, when he apparently does not moments later? Why does chuckles sound just like The Joker, and wear a purple suit?

although Ledger may have been Grumpy for the exterior shots, maybe he was the other for the interiors? I still remember reading a post from someone who went to the Chicago shoot that his mask had the tuft of hair on the top. yeah, that's not him in the exteriors though. he's clearly dressed like the clown in the foreground of the picture.

[regwec]

Can't we agree on though that we have seen Ledger in the same suit that Grumpy has on?

Absolutely- but I think something happens that we haven't heard about yet. Or- and this is an outside chance- Ledger walked around wearing another cast member's clothes. He was photographed very easily in Chicago, with his face seemingly deliberately exposed. When he was first photographed outside his trailer in makeup, he was wearing a purplish suit like Chuckles.

[Juggernaut33]

Then why does The Joker speak like a moron? Or recommend ripping himself off? Why does he have flesh coloured makeup on his face, when he apparently does not moments later? Why does chuckles sound just like The Joker, and wear a purple suit?

That's the big surprise! That is why the Joker's introduction will be so EPIC and DRAMATIC.

[Mr. Thing]

http://i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2007/05/29/dark-knight-carousel.jpg

Does that object in his hand not look like a towel?

[FlawlessVictory]

http://i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2007/05/29/dark-knight-carousel.jpg

Does that object in his hand not look like a towel?

It most certainly does!

[Juggernaut33]

It most certainly does!

Why do you have to analyse every pixel of this image. You are gonne blow your brain!

[Mr. Thing]

And there seems to be flesh-coloured "make-up" around the edges of his face. I have no idea if this stuff was already pointed out but I haven't read through everything.

[FlawlessVictory]

Absolutely- but I think something happens that we haven't heard about yet. Or- and this is an outside chance- Ledger walked around wearing another cast member's clothes. He was photographed very easily in Chicago, with his face seemingly deliberately exposed. When he was first photographed outside his trailer in makeup, he was wearing a purplish suit like Chuckles.

Definitely possible but I'll probably just follow Occam's Razor. :yay:

[regwec]

I think Occam's razor is blunted by the sides. To me, it just doesn't make any sense for The Joker to speak about himself in that way, whether in disguise or not.

[FlawlessVictory]

Why do you have to analyse every pixel of this image. You are gonne blow your brain!

I wasn't doing the initial analysis!!! :cmad::woot:

[Nepenthes]

All I know is....I don't care. Grumpy or Chuckles, removing the disguise .....it doesn't matter anymore you fools. All the important bits are certain; one of them is definitely the Joker, the goons definitely don't know he's there and the manager definitely sees his awful face under the mask. This scene will rock.

[Steelsheen]

All I know is....I don't care. Grumpy or Chuckles, removing the disguise .....it doesn't matter anymore you fools. All the important bits are certain; one of them is definitely the Joker, the goons definitely don't know he's there and the manager definitely sees his awful face under the mask. This scene will rock.

it'll rock harder if this is one of the scenes in IMAX 3D :woot::up:

[regwec]

The scene will play a lot better if chuckles is The Joker. It just works better.

[Yurka]

The scene will play a lot better if chuckles is The Joker. It just works better.

I agree

[jsf]

Can't we agree on though that we have seen Ledger in the same suit that Grumpy has on?

yes

[Steelsheen]

listen folks, we're making a huge assumption to think that this photo:
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/joker_mask_tdk.jpg

is the Chuckles/Grumpy dialogue. for all we know that guy in the background is aiming at the Bank Mgr and not the Joker.

just something to consider ok?

[nightwing07]

where r the script exerts? forward the forum or website that has them thanks!

[marcofthebeast]

What if the one with the gun only apears to be pointing at "grumpy" but is actually holding up the bank while "grumpy" talks or holds a gun out of frame.

[Steelsheen]

where r the script exerts? forward the forum or website that has them thanks!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=268382

updated link somewhere at the last few pages. just work your way backwards.

[Katsuro]

What if the one with the gun only apears to be pointing at "grumpy" but is actually holding up the bank while "grumpy" talks or holds a gun out of frame.

That's my guess. the guy in the back is so out of focus it's ridiculuos to be jumping to conlcusions like this. For all we know the guy in pointing at a group of people nearby, or a bank teller.

Either way, the guy in the front is almost certainly Joker.

[jsf]

That's my guess. the guy in the back is so out of focus it's ridiculuos to be jumping to conlcusions like this. For all we know the guy in pointing at a group of people nearby, or a bank teller.

Either way, the guy in the front is almost certainly Joker.

vurry true

[regwec]

The man at the back can't be present during the bankmanager's scene. Chuckles talks about someone "unhuman" who organised the job, and isn't present. If either he or Grumpy is The Joker, then none of the other robbers can know about it, and The Joker's revelation of himself wouldn't make sense.

I think we are being toyed with quite deliberately. We have a wealth of contradictory information.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

The man at the back can't be present during the bankmanager's scene. Chuckles talks about someone "unhuman" who organised the job, and isn't present. If either he or Grumpy is The Joker, then none of the other robbers can know about it, and The Joker's revelation of himself wouldn't make sense.

I think we are being toyed with quite deliberately. We have a wealth of contradictory information.


I think the joker told them that, but goes along anyway. not telling them hes there.

[itsthebatman]

The man at the back can't be present during the bankmanager's scene. Chuckles talks about someone "unhuman" who organised the job, and isn't present. If either he or Grumpy is The Joker, then none of the other robbers can know about it, and The Joker's revelation of himself wouldn't make sense.

I think we are being toyed with quite deliberately. We have a wealth of contradictory information.
Not if Chuckles is the Joker, and is testing his lackey to see whar he thinks of his boss. Its a device that has been used in other films (not that any spring to mind at the moment).

[Lightning Strykez!]

Just to update you gents:

I've gotten some PMs requesting a status on Miss Fox. To date, I have not yet received a PMed reply from her, and her account has not been active since Monday. Let's hope she thinks better of her decision and returns.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Just to update you gents:

I've gotten some PMs requesting a status on Miss Fox. To date, I have not yet received a PMed reply from her, and her account has not been active since Monday. Let's hope she thinks better of her decision and returns.

The people who scared her off will bow before me and apologise.:cmad:

its to late.:csad: she's gone.

[TheBatman072]

The people who scared her off will bow before me and apologise.:cmad:

its to late.:csad: she's gone.


I'm pretty sure she left becuase she didn't want to hear the Heath Joker bashing.


At least, that's what Anjow said. And the meaning I took from her sig.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I'm pretty sure she left becuase she didn't want to hear the Heath Joker bashing.


At least, that's what Anjow said. And the meaning I took from her sig.


well only time will tell.

Thanks Ls with the update, i was going to pm you on that today actually..you mods do have special abilities? :wow: :oldrazz:

[Milkman95]

Thanks Cal, hopefully she comes back - just like anything, a few bad apples ruins the whole bunch.

[raybia]

I'm pretty sure she left becuase she didn't want to hear the Heath Joker bashing.


At least, that's what Anjow said. And the meaning I took from her sig.

She'll be back, and after Ledger blows people away, she will have the last laugh.


Raybia

[TheBatman072]

She'll be back, and after Ledger blows people away, she will have the last laugh.


Raybia


Hope so. On both points. She's cool.

[raybia]

Thanks Cal, hopefully she comes back - just like anything, a few bad apples ruins the whole bunch.

Well, its up to more seasoned posters like us to put these bad apples in their place...the grinder to become applesauce.


Raybia

[Milkman95]

Ledger is going to be outstanding, I have no doubts. He's going to nail the Joker just like Bale did with Batman.....

[Milkman95]

Well, its up to more seasoned posters like us to put these bad apples in their place...the grinder to become applesauce.


Raybia

I agree, time to start clamping down.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Well, its up to more seasoned posters like us to put these bad apples in their place...the grinder to become applesauce.


Raybia

Only if they listen,

[Horatio Caine]my friend, before the year is out,They will know the difference between when to speak and when to listen[/Horatio Caine]

[Lightning Strykez!]

you mods do have special abilities? :wow: :oldrazz:

I manipulate Hype Weather. Hunter is Telepathic. Dog Lips marks his territories. The other mod's powuhz haven't arrived in the mail yet. :csad:

[raybia]

Only if they listen,

[Horatio Caine]my friend, before the year is out,They will know the difference between when to speak and when to listen[/Horatio Caine]

The report bad post button is your friend! :cwink:


Raybia

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I manipulate Hype Weather. Hunter is Telepathic. Dog Lips marks his territories. The other mod's powuhz haven't arrived in the mail yet. :csad:

Damn it i knew..perks of the job or what!

:woot:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

The report bad post button is your friend! :cwink:


Raybia

i have it on stand by!:ninja:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Thanks Cal, hopefully she comes back - just like anything, a few bad apples ruins the whole bunch.

It always does Jeff. But time will tell. She may get a scoop to hot to keep to herself if she logs on just to check the "weather" here my PM will be waiting for her.

Well, its up to more seasoned posters like us to put these bad apples in their place...the grinder to become applesauce.

And we have every intention of helping you guys do just that. :up:

[regwec]

Not if Chuckles is the Joker, and is testing his lackey to see whar he thinks of his boss. Its a device that has been used in other films (not that any spring to mind at the moment).

That's what I'm getting at- Chuckles must be The Joker, even though we have seen Heath dressed as Grumpy.

[raybia]

It always does Jeff. But time will tell. She may get a scoop to hot to keep to herself if she logs on just to check the "weather" here my PM will be waiting for her.



And we have every intention of helping you guys do just that. :up:

Thanks LS!


Raybia

[sasquatchs]

That's what I'm getting at- Chuckles must be The Joker, even though we have seen Heath dressed as Grumpy.

Why? Joker testing his thug's loyalty seems more obvious, but us knowing Ledger wore the Grumpy mask, and that a thug tries to shoot Joker is stronger evidence pointing to Joker being Grumpy.

[regwec]

Do we know that a thug tries to shoot The Joker? We know that a thug tries to shoot Grumpy, but my entire question rests on whether the two are the same.

The single piece of evidence for Grumpy and The Joker being one and the same is that Ledger has been seen in Grumpy's clothes. I agree that that carries a huge amount of weight, unless somebody wants to spread disinformation, after the sides became widely known.

[TheBatman072]

Do we know that a thug tries to shoot The Joker? We know that a thug tries to shoot Grumpy, but my entire question rests on whether the two are the same.

The single piece of evidence for Grumpy and The Joker being one and the same is that Ledger has been seen in Grumpy's clothes. I agree that that carries a huge amount of weight, unless somebody wants to spread disinformation, after the sides became widely known.


So they'd waste the time, money, and film to shoot Ledger in one set of clothes, just to release and screw with the public. Then turn around and shoot all the same scenes with Ledger in different clothes for the movie?

[sasquatchs]

We know the guy in front is Ledger, and he's wearing the Grumpy mask
The man in the background (the car's driver) is wearing a smiling mask (Chuckles?), and appears to be pointing the gun at Ledger.
It seems in the sides as if Chuckles is testing Grumpy, but you could easily read it the other way round:

Grumpy purposefully doesn't mention the Joker's share. He has knowledge of the people on the roof and justifies their numbers. He's the first one to disparage the Joker, to get a rise out of Chuckles.

[regwec]

We know the guy in front is Ledger, and he's wearing the Grumpy mask

Do we? Why does he have a flesh coloured face?

You tell me. Has Heath actually been filmed outdoors, with a costume, but no mask? Or maybe the script offers a reason for the robbers to swap clothes once indoors? I don't know.

[sasquatchs]

Yes, quite alot. The driver has a blue jacket, another one black, Ledger in that grey thing with the blue shirt. The guy driving the bus had the same attire. Although there was only 3 thugs throughout that filming, maybe they changed the numbers. The flesh thing I have no idea

[Kleric]

We are assuming that picture is of the side. They look like they are in the bank, seems to be in the middle of the robbery. The side seems to happen just before. Chuckles could be pointing at anything in the fore ground. There is also the possibility that chuckles is the grumpy face clown and grumpy is the smiling one.

*sigh* anything is possible.

[Carnotaur3]

I keep thinking there are two bank scenes in the film. The prologue being the huge Gotham City Bank and a smaller bank toward the middle of the film.

Joker gets his dues with Batman in the prologue with a zip line to the face. And in the smaller bank scene Joker reveals his pretty facial to the bank manager.

[sasquatchs]

The side seems to happen just before. Chuckles could be pointing at anything in the fore ground. There is also the possibility that chuckles is the grumpy face clown and grumpy is the smiling one.

You have a good point, it doesn't make alot of sense to have that conversation once they're in the bank. This probably backs that up, although I have no idea if they're actually filming here, and the videos make it look like they go directly into the bank.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9749/466668863bbc753b580ban4.jpg

Ledger is definitely in the rear (wearing sad mask), the driver in blue at the front (wearing smily).

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You have a good point, it doesn't make alot of sense to have that conversation once they're in the bank. This probably backs that up, although I have no idea if they're actually filming here, and the videos make it look like they go directly into the bank.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9749/466668863bbc753b580ban4.jpg

Ledger is definitely in the rear (wearing sad mask), the driver in blue at the front (wearing smily).


what again.

:o

bad joke i know.
:o

[sasquatchs]

Hmm, that puts a whole new meaning on "Guys harder than the both of us are afraid of him...Chuckles aims his weapon at Grumpy". The subtext is just staring us in the face.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

sorry.. i think i went a little to far.

:o

couldn't help it.

[Steelsheen]

Just to update you gents:

I've gotten some PMs requesting a status on Miss Fox. To date, I have not yet received a PMed reply from her, and her account has not been active since Monday. Let's hope she thinks better of her decision and returns.
but does she have that PM Notification Email activated? she wouldnt have a clue otherwise unless she comes back here and actually logs in.


Do we? Why does he have a flesh coloured face?

You tell me. Has Heath actually been filmed outdoors, with a costume, but no mask? Or maybe the script offers a reason for the robbers to swap clothes once indoors? I don't know.
theres word that Joker wears flesh colored make-up in the movie then clears it out to reveal his pasty white skin.

[itsthebatman]

Why? Joker testing his thug's loyalty seems more obvious, but us knowing Ledger wore the Grumpy mask, and that a thug tries to shoot Joker is stronger evidence pointing to Joker being Grumpy.
To me, the sides and the photos from the filming contradict each other.
Rather than worry about it too much, I'm gonna have a nice glass of turnip juice.
http://www.themedicinehut.com/images/AA051033.jpg

[raybia]

To me, the sides and the photos from the filming contradict each other.
Rather than worry about it too much, I'm gonna have a nice glass of turnip juice.
http://www.themedicinehut.com/images/AA051033.jpg

Thats some funny s***! :woot:


Raybia

[regwec]

Looking at the higher resolution pictures, it seems that Ledger is removing a mask that is quite different to Grumpy's. That leads me to only one conclusion.

Heath Ledger is really playing a cashier at the bank, rather than the Joker. :|

[Bond]

Has Heath actually been filmed outdoors, with a costume, but no mask?
Yes, actually.

I have the pictures on the other computer.

I'll see if they're still on there...

[itsthebatman]

Looking at the higher resolution pictures, it seems that Ledger is removing a mask that is quite different to Grumpy's. That leads me to only one conclusion.

Heath Ledger is really playing a cashier at the bank, rather than the Joker. :|
Noln duz it agen!!!!!!!!! AMh is real jOkr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bond]

Damn. I can't find the pics I was thinking of.

I remember it showed Ledger walking into that car while putting his Grumpy mask on, there were other pictures of him standing around holding the mask in his hand, some pics of Nolan, there was green writing all over from the guy who took the shot...

Anyone remember?

[regwec]

I know the pics you mean, I just wasn't sure that the cameras were actually rolling at the time.

[TheComicbookKid]

I thought the bank scene took place at night?

If it's daytime, then no way Batman could cause the zipline accident there.

[Steelsheen]

I thought the bank scene took place at night?

If it's daytime, then no way Batman could cause the zipline accident there.

its easy to add filters in post to make the scene look dark.

[Bond]

I know the pics you mean, I just wasn't sure that the cameras were actually rolling at the time.
They were.

Nolan was right behind him with the camera.

[Baba Ghanoush]

I haven't read the sides but is there a possibility that they are shooting 2 seperate scenes that are not continuous? For instance, is there a chance that the bank robbery with the clown masks takes place during a different timeline than the scene with Ledger in full on Joker makeup?

[marcofthebeast]

That is what I have been trying to say.

[raybia]

I thought the bank scene took place at night?

If it's daytime, then no way Batman could cause the zipline accident there.


Isn't it possible that while they actually filmed during the day, that the scene in the movie could be in the evening?


Raybia

[sasquatchs]

The sides say it's day. The sides know all

[jsf]

i wanna see some pics of batman already

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

i wanna see some pics of batman already

That should make them come quicker.:cwink:

[jsf]

That should make them come quicker.:cwink:

it was worth a try :woot:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

it was worth a try :woot:



You know what my friend..i will be stunned if a pic shows up tonight.

[jsf]

You know what my friend..i will be stunned if a pic shows up tonight.

VIOLA

http://csmaster.sxu.edu/rwalsh/dec2/pictures/AdamWestBatman.jpg




.... i'd be stunned too

[neobido9999]

Grumpy's dialogue would work for the joker - lines like "Four of a kind" in particular. and claiming the joker is "Out of his mind" when he is, in fact, the joker is creepy, i think

[The Only Woj]

Isn't it possible that while they actually filmed during the day, that the scene in the movie could be in the evening?


Raybia

the scene in BB where Bruce confronts Gordon for the first time, then has to escape by jumping to another building and grabbing onto a fire escape ... I remember there was news video from Chicago and it was shot during the day. in the film, it takes place at night.

[jsf]

the scene in BB where Bruce confronts Gordon for the first time, then has to escape by jumping to another building and grabbing onto a fire escape ... I remember there was news video from Chicago and it was shot during the day. in the film, it takes place at night.

yeah the bank scene could be at night... if you look at the pics for that scene you'll see a bigass board up on the opposite side of the suburban... could be used to block out light for a possible night shot

[The Jengeneer]

VIOLA

http://csmaster.sxu.edu/rwalsh/dec2/pictures/AdamWestBatman.jpg




.... i'd be stunned too

I concour.... Batman's next suit should definitely incorporate an artificial beer belly :wow: :hyper: :batman:

[Katsuro]

Isn't it possible that while they actually filmed during the day, that the scene in the movie could be in the evening?


Raybia

Except there are people inside the bank, and banks close early.

[Shot Gun Shy]

... And why would there be a collection of school buses the joker and his men blend into during night time, lol ?

[Frank Noir]

I concour.... Batman's next suit should definitely incorporate an artificial beer belly :wow: :hyper: :batman:
Fatman: Escalation

Fatman 2: The Dark Bite

[Brian Braddock]

VIOLA

http://csmaster.sxu.edu/rwalsh/dec2/pictures/AdamWestBatman.jpg




.... i'd be stunned too

Everytime I see that cowl, the tipp-exd eyebrows crack me up.

And futhermore, what was the point of the square bit on the nose?

[explode7]

^I think they were trying to make it round to look like a pig nose.

[Romero's Stache]

VIOLA

http://csmaster.sxu.edu/rwalsh/dec2/pictures/AdamWestBatman.jpg




.... i'd be stunned too

For the folical life of me - I can not understand how a human being can smell of lima beans and baking soda.

The West found a way.

God I miss those Christmas parties.

[Katsuro]

... And why would there be a collection of school buses the joker and his men blend into during night time, lol ?

Also, the recently released hi-res picture of the two masked goons in the bank clearly show it's day outside. If they were gonna make it look dark for the film, they'd have done it for the picture.

[Brian Braddock]

its easy to add filters in post to make the scene look dark.


Indeed - a person only has to look at the opening scene in Jaws for an example of this.

So the scene could be at night.

But, as mentioned previously, there is conflicting evidence to suggest the scene is actually set in the day.

Personally, I dunno. :huh:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Well, most banks aren't open at night.

[Brian Braddock]

I know ours in the U.K arent (Jeez, most of 'em are hardly bloody open!!) but I'll have to admit ignorance in terms of American bank opening and closing times.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I guess, its some sort of back story flash back..or even shot for the trailer.

[Katsuro]

I definatley think the bank robbery scene is going to be used in the teaser. It would be a perfect teaser. It starts off with a robbery in clown masks, and ends with the Joker taking off his mask and revealing his face.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I definatley think the bank robbery scene is going to be used in the teaser. It would be a perfect teaser. It starts off with a robbery in clown masks, and ends with the Joker taking off his mask and revealing his face.

I must admit, that's the feeling I'm getting. I just hope Batman is in the trailer somewhere.

[Milkman95]

I'm fired up that TDK will more than likely, not be linear, which Nolan is famous for - it will jump around within different timeframes.

BOF just reported that, but we pretty much knew this already.

[Cinemaman]

^^^

So he's not going with normal chronology of events?

[Milkman95]

Probably not....

[dark_b]

is someone talking to miranda? is there any news?
does she know maybe something about a teaser poster?

[Shoemeister]

She says Batman dies at the end. True story.

[seishin87]

I thought the bank scene took place at night?

If it's daytime, then no way Batman could cause the zipline accident there.

Did anyone consider that the bank scene is part of a larger sequence that carries on into the night? We've seen footage of the bus pulling out of the bank and joining the line of other buses and the GCPD cars pulling up right after. What if Joker escaped with hostages and winds up holed up at another location? There's the side about the swat leader where they find the empty school bus and they're planning on stagging an assult. I'm not sure if the side stated if it was at the bank location or when this goes down but I'm willing to bet it's after the Bank job, at another location, and at night. Right there's the set for the first Bats/Joker encounter.:cwink:

[Frank Noir]

I like that. Good thinking. :up:

[Nepenthes]

Did anyone consider that the bank scene is part of a larger sequence that carries on into the night? We've seen footage of the bus pulling out of the bank and joining the line of other buses and the GCPD cars pulling up right after. What if Joker escaped with hostages and winds up holed up at another location? There's the side about the swat leader where they find the empty school bus and they're planning on stagging an assult. I'm not sure if the side stated if it was at the bank location or when this goes down but I'm willing to bet it's after the Bank job, at another location, and at night. Right there's the set for the first Bats/Joker encounter.:cwink:

Wow yeah that sounds alright. I was wondering about that SWAT side it actually mentions two schoolbuses, one inside the bank and another that the Cheif and Commander have recovered. Joker must use two buses.

[Katsuro]

Wow yeah that sounds alright. I was wondering about that SWAT side it actually mentions two schoolbuses, one inside the bank and another that the Cheif and Commander have recovered. Joker must use two buses.

I dont think so. In the side, the SWAT leader says "we found our missing bus". He could be referring to a second bus, but to me it sounds like he's being rhetorical and referring to the one he's standing next to. As in "well, here's the missing bus!"

[Spidey Lover 10]

How do u guys know all this? is it from a leaked script? if so, can someone send me it?

[sasquatchs]

Aren't they missing about 9 buses? One was parked in the bank, another 8 were in line when Joker escapes

[Spidey Lover 10]

see my last post.

[Spidey Lover 10]

So, here's the sitch.

The person who cleared up the Cillian misunderstanding from before generously offered to answer any questions I had regarding the Dark Knight. He has also kindly allowed me to share this with you under the following conditions:

I not reveal his identity nor speculate about his connection to the production.

So don't bombard me with PMs, mmmkay?

As an extra precaution, I've decided to reword some of what he said to me. I really do feel like I'm walking on eggshells in regards to the WB and I would never wish to get anyone in trouble. I have also chosen the material I consider most spoilery to be hidden behind tags. Yes, it's the spoiler forum but we had complaints when the sides showed up and I'd like to avoid that this time. I hope you all understand.

Here goes:

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

So that finally clears up that particular tidbit once for all. No hokey Joker origins! :woot:

This I don't regard as a huge spoiler so I'll simply quote it.

Regarding Joker and his minions:



Regarding Maggie's role in the film (again, I don't think this is any kind of huge spoiler, so it's quoted):

This, on the other hand, is!

Regarding the Scarecrow:

I'd say his screen time is a little less than in Begins, although it will be more dramatic. Ever wanted to see the Joker through the eyes of someone under the influence of fear gas? The way the script reads, this scene will be INCREDIBLY ****ed up. It's the scene i'm most looking forward to watching in the cinema

I literally wanted to dance around my room when I read that. Sounds BRILLIANT!

Regarding filming in Ireland:

So, there we are.

I believe this person is geniune. Strongly.

I would like to thank him again for being kind enough to share this. I'm sure the rest of the Hype concurs. :heart:

EDIT 11/5/07: I have passed on some of your questions as pormised and these are the responses I got. I consider this sensitive information so it's under the spoiler tag. This has been mostly paraphrased lest the ninjas are snooping...

Regarding the Joker's look:

The Joker will be more in line with the Bermejo look.

Not surprising. ;)

Secondly, regarding other villians and a certain Miss Kyle:

Selina Kyle is mentioned at the end of the script (which I believe was brought up by a poster here some time last summer...that person is owed quite a few apologies ;) ) but there's a but: the WB is somewhat reluctant to bring Catwoman into the Nolan franchise. Since the Nolans took the trouble to have her mentioned they obviously aren't so - hopefully! - they can talk the WB round there.

Onto other villians - no other cameos but TDK sets up a villian arc for the next film. I think we can all guess who that is!

In regards to the recent spoiler info at BOF:

The notion that the Joker puts on the white make up himself is nonsense. In the script, if i can remember exactly, he's described as 'almost albino' in skin tone. He's theatrical yes, but not to the point of stupidity. He's a freak in more ways than one. [Miranda's Note: That *does not* mean he's an albino, just that the skin looks similar to one. Just in case anyone starts flipping out.]

Joker's clothing:

The Joker does wear purple at one point in the movie, but it's not the bright bright purple of the comic books, from what I've heard, the suit will be at its most comic book like during the scene in which the Joker is seen through the eyes of the fear toxin.

Regarding the new batsuit:



Regarding the Joker's character:



Regarding Bullock and Montoya and their possible inclusion:



Regarding Harvey's Coin

can u send me the script u got ur hands on? thanks!

[itsthebatman]

can u send me the script u got ur hands on? thanks!
Dude she's long gone. She never had the script, in any case.

[Spidey Lover 10]

Dude she's long gone. She never had the script, in any case.

then HOW did she figure this all out?:huh: :huh: :huh:

[TheMadHatter]

so is that stuff real or not?

[Spidey Lover 10]

that's what I WANNA KNOW!

[TheMadHatter]

i got pretty pumped about that too, it sounds pretty good

[Kleric]

If you read the post carefully, you will notice that she mentions she spoke with someone on or close to the project.

She is a trusted poster, and it's sad we lost her. (though I can't blame her)

[Steelsheen]

then HOW did she figure this all out?:huh: :huh: :huh:

so is that stuff real or not?

Miranda discovered the Casting Sides-- which essentially were script excerpts given to actors auditioning for smaller parts.

we have a whole thread for that. please use the search function :)

[Spidey Lover 10]

what happened 2 her?

[AndrewGilkison]

what happened 2 her?

It seems she left because she didn't like the reaction of Ledger's first Joker pic. She may have also been freaked out by people worshipping her or nagging her for spoilers all the time.

[GhostRider5006]

She rocks. I wish I could suck the info from her body.

[TheBatman072]

She rocks. I wish I could suck the info from her body.


That's REALLY creepy.

[Sam18]

She rocks. I wish I could suck the info from her body.

Can you describe how you would go about doing that? :ninja:

[Spidey Lover 10]

lol yeah

[David Rice]

She rocks. I wish I could suck the info from her body.

This is the reason she left.

[Sam18]

This is the reason she left.

I'd leave too if people tried to suck info from my body.

[LostSon88]

The treatment of Miranda Fox on this thread...in a nutshell. :csad: :woot:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qUdknS2QZSE

[ETHAR-N]

The treatment of Miranda Fox on this thread...in a nutshell. :csad: :woot:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qUdknS2QZSE

I havent seen that chapter, i couldnt stop laughing, but poor Miranda

[Bond]

The treatment of Miranda Fox on this thread...in a nutshell. :csad: :woot:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qUdknS2QZSE
HAHAHAHA

That's a great episode.

Family Guy = :heart: .

[creamyiraq]

what happened 2 her?

She's searching for Mr. Thau...

[Gojira87]

Miranda Fox sounded like the only one here who isn't currently going through puberty. :whatever:

Everybody here sounds like a 13 yr old brat who guffaws at that Family Guy show, praising it like it's some kind of innovation (if anything, it's a gaggle of considerable steps down for animation and comedy) while you whack your weeds to some Victoria's Secret catalogs.

You have to realize that us adults don't give a rat's ass what you kids think. Nolan doesn't give a flying **** what you kids think of his vision! Do you actually think he browses online and checks out everything on his production? Or Warner Bros. for that matter?

HELL NO.

I know it that when I reach that level in the independent film industry I won't give a single thought to some snot-nosed brat who thinks they understand the art of film-making.

Today's lesson is this boys and "girls" (I term females lightly in these things):

OPEN YOUR EYES AND GROW UP.

[Baba Ghanoush]

Miranda Fox sounded like the only one here who isn't currently going through puberty. :whatever:

Everybody here sounds like a 13 yr old brat who guffaws at that Family Guy show, praising it like it's some kind of innovation (if anything, it's a gaggle of considerable steps down for animation and comedy) while you whack your weeds to some Victoria's Secret catalogs.

You have to realize that us adults don't give a rat's ass what you kids think. Nolan doesn't give a flying **** what you kids think of his vision! Do you actually think he browses online and checks out everything on his production? Or Warner Bros. for that matter?

HELL NO.I know it that when I reach that level in the independent film industry I won't give a single thought to some snot-nosed brat who thinks they understand the art of film-making.
Today's lesson is this boys and "girls" (I term females lightly in these things):

OPEN YOUR EYES AND GROW UP


Oh hi Miranda.

[Infinity9999x]

Miranda Fox sounded like the only one here who isn't currently going through puberty. :whatever:

Everybody here sounds like a 13 yr old brat who guffaws at that Family Guy show, praising it like it's some kind of innovation (if anything, it's a gaggle of considerable steps down for animation and comedy) while you whack your weeds to some Victoria's Secret catalogs.

You have to realize that us adults don't give a rat's ass what you kids think. Nolan doesn't give a flying **** what you kids think of his vision! Do you actually think he browses online and checks out everything on his production? Or Warner Bros. for that matter?

HELL NO.

I know it that when I reach that level in the independent film industry I won't give a single thought to some snot-nosed brat who thinks they understand the art of film-making.

Today's lesson is this boys and "girls" (I term females lightly in these things):

OPEN YOUR EYES AND GROW UP.


Alright, I understand the message you're trying to get across here but you really should have saved your energy because

#1, the people who did bug Miranda on these boards don't give a rats ass what you think, so it doesn't matter how many letters you bold to get their attention.

#2, Don't try to talk down to people on the boards. By taking the time to log onto a Batman internet forum and yell at other Batman nerds your acting just as bad as the trolls or immature people you're trying to yell at. Not only that, you're come off as a snob who's trying to talk down his nose to everyone else because he has some heightened sense of importance. Yeah everyone knows that WB doesn't give a damn what we think, but trying to act like you have better taste then everyone and berating them for liking family guy won't make WB listen to you either.

[Sam18]

while you whack your weeds to some Victoria's Secret catalogs.





There is absolutely NO SHAME in that. I do it all the time. In fact I'm doing it as I type thsi. :o

[Thespiralgoeson]

Miranda Fox sounded like the only one here who isn't currently going through puberty. :whatever:

Everybody here sounds like a 13 yr old brat who guffaws at that Family Guy show, praising it like it's some kind of innovation (if anything, it's a gaggle of considerable steps down for animation and comedy) while you whack your weeds to some Victoria's Secret catalogs.

You have to realize that us adults don't give a rat's ass what you kids think. Nolan doesn't give a flying **** what you kids think of his vision! Do you actually think he browses online and checks out everything on his production? Or Warner Bros. for that matter?

HELL NO.

I know it that when I reach that level in the independent film industry I won't give a single thought to some snot-nosed brat who thinks they understand the art of film-making.

Today's lesson is this boys and "girls" (I term females lightly in these things):

OPEN YOUR EYES AND GROW UP.


"Us adults?" How old are you, son?

[Excel]

judging from his "whack your weeds" comment....id say mid 60's.

[donk70]

Miranda Fox sounded like the only one here who isn't currently going through puberty. :whatever:

Everybody here sounds like a 13 yr old brat who guffaws at that Family Guy show, praising it like it's some kind of innovation (if anything, it's a gaggle of considerable steps down for animation and comedy) while you whack your weeds to some Victoria's Secret catalogs.

You have to realize that us adults don't give a rat's ass what you kids think. Nolan doesn't give a flying **** what you kids think of his vision! Do you actually think he browses online and checks out everything on his production? Or Warner Bros. for that matter?

HELL NO.

I know it that when I reach that level in the independent film industry I won't give a single thought to some snot-nosed brat who thinks they understand the art of film-making.

Today's lesson is this boys and "girls" (I term females lightly in these things):

OPEN YOUR EYES AND GROW UP.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/EasyPrey/DontFeedTheTroll.jpg

[The Last Meatbag]

Yeesh, I feel a little bit of hostility in here :csad:

[Sam18]

Yeesh, I feel a little bit of hostility in here :csad:

Perhaps a hug will make you feel better?

[Excel]

Miranda Fox sounded like the only one here who isn't currently going through puberty. :whatever:

Everybody here sounds like a 13 yr old brat who guffaws at that Family Guy show, praising it like it's some kind of innovation (if anything, it's a gaggle of considerable steps down for animation and comedy) while you whack your weeds to some Victoria's Secret catalogs.

You have to realize that us adults don't give a rat's ass what you kids think. Nolan doesn't give a flying **** what you kids think of his vision! Do you actually think he browses online and checks out everything on his production? Or Warner Bros. for that matter?

HELL NO.

I know it that when I reach that level in the independent film industry I won't give a single thought to some snot-nosed brat who thinks they understand the art of film-making.

Today's lesson is this boys and "girls" (I term females lightly in these things):

OPEN YOUR EYES AND GROW UP.


dude what is with you? you have two posts-that ***** up there and this one below

You can obviously tell that the tree has been colored. That sky is OBVIOUSLY photoshopped! Those ducks are colored too. :o

******

Seriously, do you morons realize just how stupid it is to judge a picture like that? No, the people at Time Warner aren't losers like you, they don't spend hours on hours trying to photoshop pictures so that annoying fanboys can nitpick and whine about.

YOU'RE WRONG

Nothing is photoshopped or fake! Stop trying to extract blood from a stone!

God, if I had fans like you skeeting over my work, I'd kill myself. It'd put me to shame to know that I garner the attention of the likes of you. You're all disgusting. :whatever:


man, if we're all so bad, you can get da **** out:o

thought i am laughing at you call us "losers" yet say in big assed bold letters "YOUR WRONG" in a way so it makes no sense and ha snothing to do with that you were talking about.

Like I told Buggs...unless your retarded, you come here for fun. I guess your one of the few exceptions ;)

[David Rice]

WOW!!

All this over Miranda? No wonder she left.

[LostSon88]

A grown adult posting on a fan forum dedicated to comic book superheroes is telling me to grow up? :whatever:

Oh the irony...

:o

[AndrewGilkison]

Now that Miranda is no longer here, and we don't have anyone else who "knows someone" to give us inside info, I am beginning to think this thread has outlived it's usefulness. Especially now that it's turning into nothing more then childish bickering.

Maybe it should be locked?

[LostSon88]

Only those who actually want to bicker...I come here assuming a new spoiler report has been posted. That's what i'm here for...spoilers.

As far as that one lady is concerned...whatever, I mean its not like I knew her or anything...

She posted something then went away...big whoop. :dry:

[AndrewGilkison]

When was the last time any actual spoilers were posted in here?