Spoilers Ahoy! (Yep. Really.)

[Miranda Fox]

So, here's the sitch.

The person who cleared up the Cillian misunderstanding from before generously offered to answer any questions I had regarding the Dark Knight. He has also kindly allowed me to share this with you under the following conditions:

I not reveal his identity nor speculate about his connection to the production.

So don't bombard me with PMs, mmmkay?

As an extra precaution, I've decided to reword some of what he said to me. I really do feel like I'm walking on eggshells in regards to the WB and I would never wish to get anyone in trouble. I have also chosen the material I consider most spoilery to be hidden behind tags. Yes, it's the spoiler forum but we had complaints when the sides showed up and I'd like to avoid that this time. I hope you all understand.

Here goes:

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

So that finally clears up that particular tidbit once for all. No hokey Joker origins! :woot:

This I don't regard as a huge spoiler so I'll simply quote it.

Regarding Joker and his minions:

The minions are unaware of Mr Js' whereabouts for much of the first part of the movie. They speculate whether he's dead, in jail or Arkham.

Regarding Maggie's role in the film (again, I don't think this is any kind of huge spoiler, so it's quoted):

Maggie has a bigger role than Katie did in Begins. The whole film really is an escalation on what groundwork was laid in Begins. Many story lines are set up for the third film, and Maggie will play a big part in that.This, on the other hand, is!

Regarding the Scarecrow:

I'd say his screen time is a little less than in Begins, although it will be more dramatic. Ever wanted to see the Joker through the eyes of someone under the influence of fear gas? The way the script reads, this scene will be INCREDIBLY ****ed up. It's the scene i'm most looking forward to watching in the cinema

I literally wanted to dance around my room when I read that. Sounds BRILLIANT!

Regarding filming in Ireland:

filming has taken place in London since Sunday, and the majority of the cast and crew are currently in Baltimore Ire, staying at the Eccles hotel. Hope this is of some use to you.

If you know anybody in Ireland, it would be well worth their while to keep a close eye on the Mondello race track from Monday onwards.So, there we are.

I believe this person is geniune. Strongly.

I would like to thank him again for being kind enough to share this. I'm sure the rest of the Hype concurs. :heart:

EDIT 11/5/07: I have passed on some of your questions as pormised and these are the responses I got. I consider this sensitive information so it's under the spoiler tag. This has been mostly paraphrased lest the ninjas are snooping...

Regarding the Joker's look:

The Joker will be more in line with the Bermejo look.

Not surprising. ;)

Secondly, regarding other villians and a certain Miss Kyle:

Selina Kyle is mentioned at the end of the script (which I believe was brought up by a poster here some time last summer...that person is owed quite a few apologies ;) ) but there's a but: the WB is somewhat reluctant to bring Catwoman into the Nolan franchise. Since the Nolans took the trouble to have her mentioned they obviously aren't so - hopefully! - they can talk the WB round there.

Onto other villians - no other cameos but TDK sets up a villian arc for the next film. I think we can all guess who that is!

In regards to the recent spoiler info at BOF:

The notion that the Joker puts on the white make up himself is nonsense. In the script, if i can remember exactly, he's described as 'almost albino' in skin tone. He's theatrical yes, but not to the point of stupidity. He's a freak in more ways than one. [Miranda's Note: That *does not* mean he's an albino, just that the skin looks similar to one. Just in case anyone starts flipping out.]

Joker's clothing:

The Joker does wear purple at one point in the movie, but it's not the bright bright purple of the comic books, from what I've heard, the suit will be at its most comic book like during the scene in which the Joker is seen through the eyes of the fear toxin.

Regarding the new batsuit:


The new Batsuit, again, i've not seen any sketches or designs for the new suit, but I hear it's almost fabric-y, and lighter in tone, almost grey. There was a poster mocked up before Begins came out a couple of years ago, of a batsuit that was kinda 'fabric chainmail'. I think that's a close indication of how the new suit will appear.

Regarding the Joker's character:

Very much so. I think the image is spot on for Nolans' vision, and the character is exactly how it should be portrayed, tragic, funny and completely psychotic, sometimes all in the same scene.

Regarding Bullock and Montoya and their possible inclusion:

Montoya, yes, Bullock no.

Regarding Harvey's Coin

Yes, it's there!

[jimmy]

ZOMG.

There are no words to express the joy I feel.

[Agentsands77]

That all sounds fantastic.

[superglowy]

And this is why these boards should be renamed in ur honour. 'The Miranda Fox Memorial Dark Knight forums' has a nice ring to it does it not?

[jimmy]

The Joker/Scarecrow scene reminds me of the time the Joker and the Scarecrow kidnap the mayor during the Knightquest story-line. ****ing glorious. :up:

[Miranda Fox]

And this is why these boards should be renamed in ur honour. 'The Miranda Fox Memorial Dark Knight forums' has a nice ring to it does it not?

LOL! I back this motion! :up:

In all seriousness though, this is really all down to the generosity of an individual. I'm the messanger girl!

[sasquatchs]

Woohoo, no origin. *Does a little dance* I get the feeling the Joker will be one dangerous person to mess with.

If we still had Katie in the role I'd be disappointed about Rachel's importance, but a bigger role makes perfect sense the way the story is going.

Faithful minions? If he was full-on demented Joker it would be hard to swallow, but if he's a professional criminal that gives them some incentive to associate with him

Did he say anything about the Joker/Batman dynamic? Detective aspects?

Great work :up:

[union_jak]

That's a lot of info in one post!

[arty2]

Whoa!!! can't wait!!

[superkong 500]

So miranda one question
is the joker the joker in full white/grey face red lips make-up before batman cuts the line with the batarang? and did your source tell you what the joker will look like?
thanks again miranda:yay:

[Nessy]

Woohooo *dances* Sounds great!
Thank you Miranda for posting!! :heart:

[IamtheBatman]

Hmmm I thought they were filming in Baltimore, MD. But it looks like its Ireland.

[IamtheBatman]

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/redir?src=image&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sequart.com%2Fmemb ers%2Fgraphics%2F18%2Fbermejo_joker1.jpg&moduleId=image_details.jsp.M&clickedItemDescription=Image Details

So, Miranda are they picturing the gash to look like this.

[Keyser Sushi]

Wow! That is all extremely cool! :up:

Thank you, MIra, and thank you mysterious info-leaking person.

Oh, and superglowy, you all make something "memorial" if the person is dead. So I think you just mean, "The Miranda Fox 'Dark Knight' Forums." :p

[Miranda Fox]

So miranda one question
is the joker the joker in full white/grey face red lips make-up before batman cuts the line with the batarang? and did your source tell you what the joker will look like?
thanks again miranda:yay:


He's the Joker as in white face, red lips and green hair.

As to your other question - I'll have to ask. I have no idea whether he is privy to such information but asking certainly won't hurt. Thank you for bringing it up. :)

[comic_guy04]

so Im not quite understanding his "origin". He is lashed in the face by a severed zip line that gives him a wierd smile, and also is he green hair, white/light skin at this point?



whoops sorry just read your #15 post miranda, you already answeredmy question.

[Fenrir]

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

So that finally clears up that particular tidbit once for all. No hokey Joker origins! :woot:


From the sound of it, there's a good possibility that the 'gash' on Joker's face creates some kind of an extended smile along the lines of the Bermejo Joker:

http://img.photojerk.com/Killphaser/jokerbermejomanipcopyqf7.jpg

[IamtheBatman]

If, it is Joker in the beginning then how does he get the white face red lips and green hair.

[Miranda Fox]

so Im not quit understanding his "origin". He is lashed in the face by a severed zip line that gives him a wierd smile, and also is he green hair, white/light skin at this point?

I saw nothing in what he said that indicated it gave him a smile, just scarred him. :cwink:

Yes, he has the white skin/green hair/ red lips of Mr J and he will do so from beginning to end.

[NoName86]

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[Micah12345]

so Im not quit understanding his "origin". He is lashed in the face by a severed zip line that gives him a wierd smile, and also is he green hair, white/light skin at this point?


she already stated that it isn't his origin. he is ALREADY the joker. its just something for him to hate batman over.

[Miranda Fox]

If, it is Joker in the beginning then how does he get the white face red lips and green hair.

I don't think this will really be explained.

Anjow's info regarding the flashback montage is probably about the closest we'll get to an origin. That satisfies me just fine.

[NoName86]

Oh God, I think I'm about to pass out!!!!! Man that sounds so F'n awesome!!!! ::MARKED OUT BECAUSE OF SPOILERS::I imagine Batman chasing Joker now, running on rooftops, Batman wondering who this guy is! Awesomeness, and the scarecrow!!! It makes sense now, the scarecrow can be in it without Cillian because his face isn't shown! THE DARK KNIGHT! :woot: Ohhh, and Bats pisses Joker off big time, and it is a lovely way to ignite the Joker hate/obsession with Batman without exploring the Acid dump thingy. Why can't this movie come sooner?


Nolan, I love you.:wow::woot:

[Miranda Fox]

Wow! That is all extremely cool! :up:

Thank you, MIra, and thank you mysterious info-leaking person.

Oh, and superglowy, you all make something "memorial" if the person is dead. So I think you just mean, "The Miranda Fox 'Dark Knight' Forums." :p

:woot: :up: :heart:

[Van Petrol]

she already stated that it isn't his origin. he is ALREADY the joker. its just something for him to hate batman over.

I can imagine Jokers reason for hating Bats after this encounter to be something along the lines of, "He's spoiled my good looks." :joker:


BTW, Great work Miranda.....you should be the Commisioner by now! :up:

[Agentsands77]

Anjow's info regarding the flashback montage is probably about the closest we'll get to an origin. That satisfies me just fine.
What did Anjow report about a flashback montage? I didn't read that post...

[Miranda Fox]

I can imagine Jokers reason for hating Bats after this encounter to be something along the lines of, "He's spoiled my good looks." :joker:

That's exactly what I was thinking. Beautifully in character!

BTW, Great work Miranda.....you should be the Commisioner by now! :up:

:woot:

[Orko Is King]

Wow, thanks a bunch for the info.!:woot: I'm hoping the gash on his face isn't too big though. Hopefully it'll be something similar to this.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a323/mattnotis/tdkjokerkl0.jpg

[superkong 500]

He's the Joker as in white face, red lips and green hair.

As to your other question - I'll have to ask. I have no idea whether he is privy to such information but asking certainly won't hurt. Thank you for bringing it up. :)

Yes please ask:woot: and if you do
ask her ask about the color and texture of his face grey, white etc. and how scary he looks, oh and the clothes. Thanks again miranda
:hyper:

[Miranda Fox]

What did Anjow report about a flashback montage? I didn't read that post...

my friend just called me. And inevitably, I brought up TDK. Apparently, that clown mask plays a part in the "accident" but it's not burned on his face. So I'm like "whaaaaat then? That doesn't make sense. What could it possibly have to do with him? Is it like an origin or something?"

His reply: "It's not really an origin per say. It's like a flashback montage of some things that Joker dispises. Like why he hates things he hates. Why he does what he does."

Will do superkong 500!

[Batty Belfry]

:wow:

I go away for a short while, and when I get back Miranda drops a nuke on my lap! Is it possible for a guy to have an herbal essence experience? YES!

:woot: :up:

[Clerk]

Goodie ****ing Gumdrops. :up: :up:

[comic_guy04]

ok so this zip line lashing is basically just the iceing on the cake for his clown looks, as in this gash might give an extended smile? I realise its not his "origin" and gettin hit in the face with a cord wont turn your hair green and all that.

[General Vulcun]

This is pretty cool! I'm just curious as to why wasn't in green hair and white skin during some of the bank shots.

Also Miranda, could you perhaps find out what other villains may make appearences?

[kytrigger]

It all sounds pretty good. Even though I am against the "scar smile" idea, if Joker didn't actually do it to himself, then I can dig it.

Thanks Miranda :up:

[Micah12345]

This is pretty cool! I'm just curious as to why wasn't in green hair and white skin during some of the bank shots.

Also Miranda, could you perhaps find out what other villains may make appearences?

flesh colored make-up

[Agentsands77]

my friend just called me. And inevitably, I brought up TDK. Apparently, that clown mask plays a part in the "accident" but it's not burned on his face. So I'm like "whaaaaat then? That doesn't make sense. What could it possibly have to do with him? Is it like an origin or something?"

His reply: "It's not really an origin per say. It's like a flashback montage of some things that Joker dispises. Like why he hates things he hates. Why he does what he does."
Sounds trippy. And awesome.

[Miranda Fox]

:wow:

I go away for a short while, and when I get back Miranda drops a nuke on my lap! Is it possible for a guy to have an herbal essence experience? YES!

:woot: :up:

:woot: :cwink:

Also Miranda, could you perhaps find out what other villains may make appearences?

That is an excellent question, General! I will indeed ask him that.

[sasquatchs]

Hmm, I wonder what Joker's motivations are at the beginning of the film then. Getting attention by commiting audacious crimes, or a some grander plot of mayhem for Gotham? The one area we've heard nothing of yet is the mob, how Maroni takes over Falcones empire. There was that rumour ages ago that Joker causes a gangwar somehow, possibly unintentionally.

[Hunter Rider]

Marry me:heart::woot:

the Joker/Scarecrow scene should be amazing and i like the idea of Bat's cutting his zipline

[Miranda Fox]

Thanks Miranda

No problem!

[Miranda Fox]

Marry me:heart::woot:

the Joker/Scarecrow scene should be amazing and i like the idea of Bat's cutting his zipline

Agreed on both. Especially the first.

[TheBatman072]

Oh ****!!


That sounds awesome!! I have NO doubts anymore. Of what little I had.

[Keyser Soze]

AWESOME NEWS! Miranda, you're the bestest! Please join the DC RPG and be the Harley Quinn to my Joker! :joker: :hq:

Also, this probably isn't the case, but...the supposedly random, pointless scarring of The Joker's face in the comics recently...was it done to "match up" with his planned movie look?

[The Last Meatbag]

I just hope the gash smile doesn't look too hokey, or TOO disfiguring.

[Keyser Soze]

I just hope the gash smile doesn't look to hokey, or TOO disfiguring.

Well, Miranda's source didn't specify that the gash causes the smile. People are just jumping to assumptions on that count.

For all we know, his smile is natural (by The Joker's twisted standards, at least), and its just a big gash across his face.

[Nessy]

I just hope the gash smile doesn't look to hokey, or TOO disfiguring.

Hope so too!

[CConn]

Yay. Oh wait, I don't care.

[Miranda Fox]

AWESOME NEWS! Miranda, you're the bestest! Please join the DC RPG and be the Harley Quinn to my Joker! :joker: :hq:

Also, this probably isn't the case, but...the supposedly random, pointless scarring of The Joker's face in the comics recently...was it done to "match up" with his planned movie look?

Personally, I would hope it would look better than that but possibly, yes. ;)

I've passed on some of the questions you guys have asked and I have also enquired as to whether a certain Miss Kyle shows up anywhere. ;)

[Keyser Sushi]

Marry me:heart::woot:

Dude, don't make me knock you out. ;)

[Keyser Soze]

Dude, don't make me knock you out. ;)

Sushi! You again!

There's only room for one Keyser around here! FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!!!

[Dark Knight]

So, here's the sitch.

The person who cleared up the Cillian misunderstanding from before generously offered to answer any questions I had regarding the Dark Knight. He has also kindly allowed me to share this with you under the following conditions:

I not reveal his identity nor speculate about his connection to the production.

So don't bombard me with PMs, mmmkay?

As an extra precaution, I've decided to reword some of what he said to me. I really do feel like I'm walking on eggshells in regards to the WB and I would never wish to get anyone in trouble. I have also chosen the material I consider most spoilery to be hidden behind tags. Yes, it's the spoiler forum but we had complaints when the sides showed up and I'd like to avoid that this time. I hope you all understand.

Here goes:

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

So that finally clears up that particular tidbit once for all. No hokey Joker origins! :woot:

This I don't regard as a huge spoiler so I'll simply quote it.

Regarding Joker and his minions:



Regarding Maggie's role in the film (again, I don't think this is any kind of huge spoiler, so it's quoted):

This, on the other hand, is!

Regarding the Scarecrow:

I'd say his screen time is a little less than in Begins, although it will be more dramatic. Ever wanted to see the Joker through the eyes of someone under the influence of fear gas? The way the script reads, this scene will be INCREDIBLY ****ed up. It's the scene i'm most looking forward to watching in the cinema

I literally wanted to dance around my room when I read that. Sounds BRILLIANT!

Regarding filming in Ireland:

So, there we are.

I believe this person is geniune. Strongly.

I would like to thank him again for being kind enough to share this. I'm sure the rest of the Hype concurs. :heart:



How do you know this guy is legit again??

Also.....IF true....will Scarecrow be under the influence of the fear gas when he sees Joker? Or will Scarecrow administer the gas to someone else who will see Joker under the gas?

[Hunter Rider]

Agreed on both. Especially the first.

The scene between them should be classic

Dude, don't make me knock you out. ;)

I got an iron Jaw:oldrazz:

[Miranda Fox]

How do you know this guy is legit again??

Also.....IF true....will Scarecrow be under the influence of the fear gas when he sees Joker? Or will Scarecrow administer the gas to someone else who will see Joker under the gas?

I'm not clear on that.

I believe he's legit because his info matches what Anjow was told earlier. I recognise I could be wrong though.

[CConn]

Technically, hasn't Scarecrow been under the influence of fear gas since the end of BB?

[Miranda Fox]

Technically, hasn't Scarecrow been under the influence of fear gas since the end of BB?

Yeah, pretty much.

...

Wait, I thought you didn't care.

[Keyser Sushi]

Sushi! You again!

There's only room for one Keyser around here! FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!!!

:D

How about a duel with padded weapons? The first person to fall down loses!

[TheBatman072]

I should REALLY stop reading this stuff.


I'm going to spoil myself to death like I did with Begins.

[CConn]

Yeah, pretty much.

...

Wait, I thought you didn't care.
I don't, but I know my Batman trivia.

[Keyser Sushi]

I got an iron Jaw:oldrazz:

How's your skull? 'Cuz I got a bat. :woot:

[Agentsands77]

Man, this is getting better all the time.

[Hunter Rider]

How's your skull? 'Cuz I got a bat. :woot:

I have a Kevlar toupe:woot:

[NoName86]

I don't, but I know my Batman trivia.I do not understand this logic. Why is it that, if you don't care about this movie, you are on this particular forum posting about it? doesn't that seem like a a waste of time? Surely I wouldn't be in a particular place if that place was of no interest to me in any way. I'm not looking for argument, and the whole reason I ask this question is because the logic of your two or three previous posts make absolutely no sense.

[IamtheBatman]

If Joker crashes through the building would cause tiny scars all over his face.

[Keyser Sushi]

I have a Kevlar toupe:woot:

That doesn't mean it won't hurt. :ninja:

[CConn]

I do not understand this logic. Why is it that, if you don't care about this movie, you are on this particular forum posting about it? doesn't that seem like a a waste of time? Surely I wouldn't be in a particular place if that place was of no interest to me in any way. I'm not looking for argument, and the whole reason I ask this question is because the logic of your two or three previous posts make absolutely no sense.
Well, truth be told, I do care, simply not nearly as much as anyone else here.

I see this news and think "that's pretty cool." To me, y'know, it's a movie. You watch it, you enjoy it, and that's it. It's nothing to go supernova over.

Everyone else sees this news and posts like they're in the midst of multiple orgasms brought on by a handjob given by God himself.

[Bond]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I've never been more excited for this movie than I am right now.

I love you Miranda, I love you.

And in case some of you forgot... which I doubt... Joker being hit in the face with a Batarang is taken directly out of TDKR.

[TheBatman072]

Well, truth be told, I do care, simply not nearly as much as anyone else here.

I see this news and think "that's pretty cool." To me, y'know, it's a movie. You watch it, you enjoy it, and that's it. It's nothing to go supernova over.

Everyone else sees this news and posts like they're in the midst of multiple orgasms brought on by a handjob given by God himself.


That's under the assumption that God would need to touch you. I'd think with all his power he'd just need to look at you and you'd immediately fall to your knees, writhing.

[CConn]

That's under the assumption that God would need to touch you. I'd think with all his power he'd just need to look at you and you'd immediately fall to your knees, writhing.
Don't go all fanboy on me now.

[ronzpeed]

Two questions for Queen Miranda...
Does Rachel die? Wiill we ever see Selna Kyle?

[TheBatman072]

Don't go all fanboy on me now.


God is teh uber-powerfulllzzz!!!1!

[Miranda Fox]

Well, truth be told, I do care, simply not nearly as much as anyone else here.

I see this news and think "that's pretty cool." To me, y'know, it's a movie. You watch it, you enjoy it, and that's it. It's nothing to go supernova over.

Everyone else sees this news and posts like they're in the midst of multiple orgasms brought on by a handjob given by God himself.

Are you suggesting that films are not, in fact, a matter of life and death.

HOW DARE YOU! :cmad:





:oldrazz:

ronzpeed

It sounded to me as though Rachel doesn't die and is in fact, a much larger part of this film than the character was in BB.

I have asked the second question and hopefully will have answer tomorrow. :)

[NoName86]

Well, truth be told, I do care, simply not nearly as much as anyone else here.

I see this news and think "that's pretty cool." To me, y'know, it's a movie. You watch it, you enjoy it, and that's it. It's nothing to go supernova over.

Everyone else sees this news and posts like they're in the midst of multiple orgasms brought on by a handjob given by God himself.Haha, pretty funny! Well, I understand what you mean. A lot of folks (myself included) get extremely excited about this stuff, but it is only correct to suppose that diff people have diff levels of excitement. It just seems there was miscommunication as I think a lot of folks see and think that you are underwhelmed, and they translate that as you being pessimistic towards the film. Naturally anyone so pumped over this movie will take offense to that. Not saying that is your fault, or anyones for that matter. I hope that it is enjoyable for everyone.

[titan101]

VERY awesome news. i hope the joker's scars aren't too overexagerrated though , like lee bermejo's lame - ass drawings....

[Batty Belfry]

Sushi! You again!

There's only room for one Keyser around here! FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!!!

Which one of you is gonna morph into a shirtless William Shatner circa 1968? :woot:

[NoName86]

I can see why Dawes will be more vital, as it is almost certain she will be some sort of middle man between Bruce and Dent. I even think that it is her whole reason for being in the franchise, it always seemed too suspicious to me that, out of all professions she could have been, she was a D.A.

[Miranda Fox]

I can see why Dawes will be more vital, as it is almost certain she will be some sort of middle man between Bruce and Dent. I even think that it is her whole reason for being in the franchise, it always seemed to suspicious to me that, out of all professions she could have been, she was a D.A.

Agreed. :up:

[batmaluco]

Thank you, Miranda Fox! :up:
Everything I've heard is pretty cool, I'm really glad they didn't take the self-carved-smile route. :dry:
I never lost my (earned) confidence anyway. :)

[Miranda Fox]

Thank you, Miranda Fox! :up:
Everything I've heard is pretty cool, I'm really glad they didn't take the self-carved-smile route. :dry:
I never lost my (earned) confidence anyway. :)

No problem batmaluco. :)

I'll be honest, I was starting to get a bit dispirited after that damn report about what Ledger's stand in said. :/

[NoName86]

I can't begin to imagine what the Joker will look like under the influence of toxin.

"I'm going to unscrew your brain"

:D

[Micah12345]

Well, truth be told, I do care, simply not nearly as much as anyone else here.

I see this news and think "that's pretty cool." To me, y'know, it's a movie. You watch it, you enjoy it, and that's it. It's nothing to go supernova over.

Everyone else sees this news and posts like they're in the midst of multiple orgasms brought on by a handjob given by God himself.

So you're just way too cool for the rest of the board.

[sasquatchs]

I can't begin to imagine what the Joker will look like under the influence of toxin.

"I'm going to unscrew your brain"




I can't wait to see Joker's reaction after he gets a good dose of the toxin himself. Hopefully he just smiles like it's nothing

[CConn]

[edit]

[Katsuro]

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

I hope so, as it's the only problem I have with any of this news.

[TheBatman072]

Well, after this and the promo picture of the Joker that comes out in a few weeks, it should be SMOOTH sailing.

[Micah12345]

^link?

[batmaluco]

No problem batmaluco. :)

I'll be honest, I was starting to get a bit dispirited after that damn report about what Ledger's stand in said. :/
This happened to me in that manip-fake-unofficial-pic episode, I was dispirited for the whole day, then it was debunked.
Then I was thinking, you know what, screw that, I don't care until we have something official.
But all this sounds very 'Nolanesque', so I'm taking this as the real deal. :word:

[CConn]

So you're just way too cool for the rest of the board.
Cold? I prefer rational.

Board? Maybe this section, but not others.

Those ****s in the comics board understand me.

[superglowy]

Wow! That is all extremely cool! :up:

Thank you, MIra, and thank you mysterious info-leaking person.

Oh, and superglowy, you all make something "memorial" if the person is dead. So I think you just mean, "The Miranda Fox 'Dark Knight' Forums." :p

Damn u and ur technicalities! So someone has to be dead to get a memorial now days?? Interesting! M-Fox rocks (that's ma new name for ya M-Fox :yay:)

[TheBatman072]

^link?


From what I hear on here, it's coming this month.

[Micah12345]

Cold? I prefer rational.

Board? Maybe this section, but not others.

Those ****s in the comics board understand me.

So being a batman fan that is really excited about the new batman movie coming up is irrational?

[mr. kite]

awesome news Miranda!

Who are your connections? Do you work in the film business?

[Stringer]

All that sounds great, thanks Miranda:up:

[ronzpeed]

Well this sucks, I wanted Rachel to die. :csad: :cmad: :csad: :cmad: . Boo-hoo!

[CConn]

So being a batman fan that is really excited about the new batman movie coming up is irrational?
It's about levels of excitement.

That said, I'm not criticizing anyone here for being super uber excited about TDK. That's just not for me. I mean, I was like that for BB, and came and it gone and realize - as great, as fantastic as that movie was - the emotion and excitement I put into really wasn't worth it. Not that BB failed in anyway, just because, it's, ultimately, simply a movie. Again, that's me. I'm not trying to get on anyone for being happy about something.

[TheJaberwock]

Perhaps in the third movie, after dent becomes Two-Face, Rachel will take on a more Janice Porter-esque role like in Dark Victory.

[Batty Belfry]

Well this sucks, I wanted Rachel to die. :csad: :cmad: :csad: :cmad: . Boo-hoo!

Perhaps they decided against it because so many were expecting it to happen. It still could happen, we don't really know for 100% sure.

[ManchesterCityX]

Do we know why The Jokers skin is white yet? Let's not forget as well that he just won't look like he has white skin and red lipstick, from the sides judgeing from the reaction people give after seeing his face he looks pretty ****ed up.

[TheBatman072]

Perhaps in the third movie, after dent becomes Two-Face, Rachel will take on a more Janice Porter-esque role like in Dark Victory.


You mean like pretty much hating Batman and everything he does, and in effect hating Bruce, since she knows who Batman is.


It would contradict everything she said in the first movie at the end.

[Katsuro]

It's about levels of excitement.

That said, I'm not criticizing anyone here for being super uber excited about TDK. That's just not for me. I mean, I was like that for BB, and came and it gone and realize - as great, as fantastic as that movie was - the emotion and excitement I put into really wasn't worth it. Not that BB failed in anyway, just because, it's, ultimately, simply a movie. Again, that's me. I'm not trying to get on anyone for being happy about something.

Then why randomly post that you dont care about news. You go into a thread, and just announce that the news doesn't interest you. I see no point, except to be sarcastic.

[batman44]

Great news. M. FOX your are the man....umm woman!!!

*gives big virtual kiss on the cheek*

[CConn]

Then why randomly post that you dont care about news. You go into a thread, and just announce that the news doesn't interest you. I see no point, except to be sarcastic.
Yeah, and I really really like Sarcasm.

You should know that by now.

'sides, threads are to share your thoughts on a particular given topic. Just because my personal thoughts weren't uber super excited, doesn't mean they weren't valid. I know for a fact you personally don't go around posting happy, delightful things every chance you get.

Besides, after my one comment, I actually began contributing to a discussion in the thread. Which you guys have now totally overshadowed by focusing on my (extremely) slight pessimism. Seriously, you're just being silly now.

[The Only Woj]

Miranda continues to kick ass with her posts. Kick. ASS.

[L.A.]

wow awesome news!

[TheJaberwock]

You mean like pretty much hating Batman and everything he does, and in effect hating Bruce, since she knows who Batman is.


It would contradict everything she said in the first movie at the end.

nope, i meant taking over as D.A. and trying to prosecute two-face.

also, its been speculated that since bruce is definitely not in the picture for her, maybe she will move on and be involved with harvey....

[SilentType]

I'll be honest, I was starting to get a bit dispirited after that damn report about what Ledger's stand in said. :/Every new development brings a new high or low into your life. For your ease, I've created a form post for you:


To tell you the truth, I was beginning to get worried when I heard that Joker___________. I’m glad we learned that it is actually __________. :oldrazz:

[TheBatman072]

nope, i meant taking over as D.A. and trying to prosecute two-face.

also, its been speculated that since bruce is definitely not in the picture for her, maybe she will move on and be involved with harvey....


She couldn't prosecute him if she was involved with him.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Joker under fear gas effects...dear God this is gonna be a tight flick!

[Johnichi Chiba]

Oh god that sounds so awesome. Sounds like Joker is going to be portrayed as several different Jokers, which sounds ****ing awesome. Miranda I bow down to you. We are truly not worthy. :D

[batman44]

Joker under fear gas effects...dear God this is gonna be a tight flick!

What if he looks like Arkham Asylum Joker...whoa!!

[Bond]

What if he looks like Arkham Asylum Joker...whoa!!
What if he's IN Arkham when Scarecrow's hallucination happens. Imagine all the creepy psychos behind him... GAHH that scene is gonna steal the movie right there.

[Ecstasy]

This is great news. Glad to hear it.

[Baba Ghanoush]

Good stuff. You the man MF.

[The Only Woj]

knowing Nolan, the fear gas Joker vision will be only a few seconds long, and probably have 30-40 camera angles/cuts involved.

[CConn]

Don't want to scare the kids.

[ToddIsDead]

I'll file this in the back of my mind, but I won't blindly trust anyone's information like this. If it's all factual, then it's certainly interesting.

[TheBatman072]

knowing Nolan, the fear gas Joker vision will be only a few seconds long, and probably have 30-40 camera angles/cuts involved.


You mean like the Fear Gas Batman which was beyond ****ing awesome?

[Boom]

Again, I don't want a scarred smile. Especially if it's an accident. It's just way to gimmicky for my tastes.

[JStorm]

A Ron Jeremy smile would be perfect!

[The Sage]

While I wonder about the legitimacy of these rumors, (as I should), it sounds interesting. Though for some reason I'm not excited. Maybe I need to see some pictures to get pumped up. Maybe I'm still worried about Ledger's Joker, appearance wise anyway. At this point, the movie I'm looking forward to the most...is Iron Man.

[Anita18]

Peeking out from lurkdom, and wheee at all of the TDK detective work! I'm not worried about the movie(s), since everything Chris Nolan has done thus far has been VERY high-quality, but it's still beyond cool to see how this is all coming together. :)

Thanks for the tidbits, Anjow and Miranda! :up:

[ManchesterCityX]

Wasnt the scarecrow rumour confirmed to be false in another thread? I'm sure I read miranda saying it was miscommunication...

[JStorm]

Actually, this information is all false until July 18th, 2008. :o

[TheBatman072]

Wasnt the scarecrow rumour confirmed to be false in another thread? I'm sure I read miranda saying it was miscommunication...

She later said that it was true in the same thread.

Actually, this information is all false until July 18th, 2008. :o


That's taking it a little too far isn't it?

[StorminNorman]

Hooray Miranda.

Hooray Anjow.

Hooray Beer!

[The Only Woj]

I wonder how exactly this "scar" would look, and where it'd be located. I'm assuming this is the way they're finding the middle ground between what WB wants (classic Joker) and Nolan wants (something maybe not as recognizable). plus, any scarring would help with asymetry of the face. without it I'm sure he'd look pretty bland.

[Black Venom]

wow, the joker/scarecrow scene sounds like its gonna be pretty BA

[StorminNorman]

I wonder how exactly this "scar" would look, and where it'd be located. I'm assuming this is the way they're finding the middle ground between what WB wants (classic Joker) and Nolan wants (something maybe not as recognizable). plus, any scarring would help with asymetry of the face. without it I'm sure he'd look pretty bland.

I am sure it has to supplement the smile in some way. If it doesn't - there is no reason to add it.

[TheBatman072]

I am sure it has to supplement the smile in some way. If it doesn't - there is no reason to add it.


I have to wonder how though.


Batman throws the batarang and cuts the wire Joker is escaping on. The wire then flicks over and cuts Joker in the mouth, creating the smile or augmenting it.


But...how? It just doesn't seem logical. Too much of a stretch, if you know what I'm trying to say.

[AdmNelson]

I have to wonder how though.

Batman throws the batarang and cuts the wire Joker is escaping on. The wire then flicks over and cuts Joker in the mouth, creating the smile or augmenting it.

But...how? It just doesn't seem logical. Too much of a stretch, if you know what I'm trying to say.

What if the original information was a bit inaccurate? What if Batman threw a batarang at Joker, and it actually ended up slicing his face/mouth? (Instead of the wire.) Just an idle thought...

-- Admiral Nelson

[TheBatman072]

What if the original information was a bit inaccurate? What if Batman threw a batarang at Joker, and it actually ended up slicing his face/mouth? (Instead of the wire.) Just an idle thought...

-- Admiral Nelson


But still, in order to create a smile(going up from both corners of his lips) it would need to curve around his face.


It would be a lot easier to show instead of describe.

[Nepenthes]

Yeah a 'cut smile' actually sounds kinda okay now.


One thing I don't get is just because the Joker is green and white from the beginning of the movie how does that necessarily preclude any origin information? If we find out Joker was previously involved with Maronis gang, to me that's an 'origin' and it wouldn't need flashbacks or a side story.


What if he looks like Arkham Asylum Joker...whoa!!

Yes please.

I'm actually surprised no one here mentioned/predicted a fear gas Joker before!

[StorminNorman]

Yeah a 'cut smile' actually sounds kinda okay now.


One thing I don't get is just because the Joker is green and white from the beginning of the movie how does that necessarily preclude any origin information? If we find out Joker was previously involved with Maronis gang, to me that's an 'origin' and it wouldn't need flashbacks or a side story.




Yes please.

I'm actually surprised no one here mentioned/predicted a fear gas Joker before!

I mentioned it a few months ago in passing - I just didn't want to seem like a conceded bastard :D

[comic_guy04]

I hate to think that Crane's fear toxin created batmans #1 villian. I dont know when scarecrow was introduced but I have Batman #1 in a reprint and Joker is crazy in a more meticulous(spelling?) way. Instead of the wacked out totally absent minded crazy Crane becomes. I like to think of Joker as a mad man with a method instead of actin like somone who took too much acid.

[Nepenthes]

I mentioned it a few months ago in passing - I just didn't want to seem like a conceded bastard

Well you didn't mention it loud enough then :cwink:

[TheBatman072]

I hate to think that Crane's fear toxin created batmans #1 villian. I dont know when scarecrow was introduced but I have Batman #1 in a reprint and Joker is crazy in a more meticulous(spelling?) way. Instead of the wacked out totally absent minded crazy Crane becomes. I like to think of Joker as a mad man with a method instead of actin like somone who took too much acid.


No, not that. It's somebody ON Fear Toxin seeing the Joker.

[StorminNorman]

Well you didn't mention it loud enough then :cwink:

If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

The boards were dead then, I do believe.

Or maybe I am making all of this up.

I seriously do not know.

Lets let Alex Trebeck decide.

[comic_guy04]

No, not that. It's somebody ON Fear Toxin seeing the Joker.

oh ok, and yes that would be the ultimate mind **** for me cuz I hate clowns. Maybe thats why Joker is so interesting to me. Forget maggots and bats flying outta crane's face, if that heppens in TDK then were in for a treat.

[sglass03]

Combining Anjow and Miranda's info, it seems as though we'll have Joker physically from the opening shot, but not necessarily mentally. He becomes more and more Joker-ish as TDK goes on, if I'm reading this right - much like the escalation theme implies, the film will detail Joker's descent into a hellish madness and then into becoming Satan himself (for all intents and purposes.) In other words, he starts off creepy and homicidal and then progressively becomes a totally unhinged psycopath.

This gels with Ledger's own quote about the character being a total "train wreck" - he must get worse and worse as the film goes on, and by the end, has become like a natural disaster exerting its will on the city. It also gels with something else Ledger said - that we'll see Joker's "backstory." I always suspected that by "backstory" he didn't mean an origin, but instead how he rises to infamy in Gotham and becomes Batman's rival.

Also, something else in Miranda's quote - her source states that the whole "zipline gashing the face" thing may be removed due to praticality reasons. It seems as though this means the injury isn't essential to the Joker's look - i.e., it doesn't "complete" or augment the smile in any way, since they are debating whether to include it or not, and anything THAT important would be kept in. I think the scarring is more of Nolan's way of making Joker look more gruesome than anything else.

Anyway, it's good to know he'll be the fully-recognizable Joker from the first scene, at least visually. :up:

[comic_guy04]

[QUOTE

Lets let Alex Trebeck decide.[/QUOTE]

Forget Alex Trebeck with his day glow mustache and his greasy hair. He knows nothing............NOTHING I SAY!

[TheBatman072]

oh ok, and yes that would be the ultimate mind **** for me cuz I hate clowns. Maybe thats why Joker is so interesting to me. Forget maggots and bats flying outta crane's face, if that heppens in TDK then were in for a treat.


Totally. I mean, if Crane saw what he saw while on Fear Gas when he looked at Batman, imagine what somebody will see when they look at Joker.

It'll be awesome.

[StorminNorman]

[QUOTE

Lets let Alex Trebeck decide.

Forget Alex Trebeck with his day glow mustache and his greasy hair. He knows nothing............NOTHING I SAY![/quote]

Willem Dafoe Resembles that remark :o

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[Hartter]

That is swell news

[L.A.]

I thought they were filming in Baltimore Maryland not Baltimore Ireland:confused:

[StorminNorman]

No, that matter was cleared up quickly after "Baltimore" was announced.

[comic_guy04]

Forget Alex Trebeck with his day glow mustache and his greasy hair. He knows nothing............NOTHING I SAY!

Willem Dafoe Resembles that remark :o

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I would make a joke about the green power ranger after a 10 year crack binge but that would be in bad taste. (walks away with a emo haircut listenin to the bee gee's snappin fingers, checkin out the ladies)

[StorminNorman]

I would make a joke about the green power ranger after a 10 year crack binge but that would be in bad taste. (walks away with a emo haircut listenin to the bee gee's snappin fingers, checkin out the ladies)

LOL, like you have the balls to make a joke about a green power ranger of any sort and live. What a cute lil feller.

http://egnatia.ee.auth.gr/%7Esthat/kids/dragonzord_1.gif
http://www.geocities.com/rpowerangers/GreenRanger.jpg
http://www.cinematicwallpaper.com/wallpaper-science-fiction/spiderman-green-goblin.jpg

[Mister J]

This all does sound good, though I'm still up in the air on the scarring.

Scarecrow seeing Joke while under the effects of the toxin could be incredibly badass. I hope it sees the light of day, unlike the Stage 2 Scarecrow from Begins.

Excellent scoop, Miranda. :up:

[comic_guy04]

I hope he's callin somone with a telescope with that thing cuz that suits outta sight booiiii. Thats what I always thought the Green Goblin would look like if they ever made a spidey movie. Thanks sam

On a side note all this off topic discussion is becuase of the fact i'm extremley bored speculating about joker. I'ts a hard character to **** up if your goin for oldschool with a modern flare, and I doubt Nolan and co. are dumb enough to **** that up although they are british.

[hannya]

Well done Miranda (standing ovation)!!!
Great stuff.
Like most people here I have reservations about the gash in his face but it could be fantastic if handled properly.
But the thing I'm liking most about this news is the concrete fact that the Joker WILL be SCARY. The "DemonBat" scene in BB was my favourite by a mile, I thought, "woah, that was one very cool creative decision Nolan made".
This is going to be one hell of a rollercoaster film-noir. Joker as a "train-wreck"? LOVE it. I'm one very happy man today.

[Shoemeister]

And Miranda does it AGAIN! If this is all legitimate, then TDK is totally gonna rock our socks off.

Now... question:

Finals week has kept me out the loop the last couple of days. Could anyone be so kind as to reiterate this Cillian Murphy/Scarecrow rumor-issue-scoop-thingamajig that apparently happened earlier on?

Thanks. :word:

[comic_guy04]

We as adults are loving the scary Joker but i'm saddened that if they make him too scary kids will freak out and its all about merchandise as much as I hate to say it. we all know what parents can do to a dark batman.

[hannya]

We as adults are loving the scary Joker but i'm saddened that if they make him too scary kids will freak out and its all about merchandise as much as I hate to say it. we all know what parents can do to a dark batman.

Good point, but speaking for myself I lOVED to be freaked out when I was a kid (strange, twisted chlid that I was :cwink: )
But honestly, it's a PG12, there won't be little kids in the theatre being traumatized.
EXCEPT in Japan where I live, where they let toddlers in to anything! My King Kong viewing experience was ruined by a little kid bleating in terror when Andy Serkis got eaten alive by a giant maggot.
Some parents are morons. Sad fact of life.

[comic_guy04]

horror movies never bothered me but i'm an ******* when it comes to cryin kids in movies. 4 days ago I went to my local IMAX theatre to see spidey 3 and this ****in kid wouldnt shut up from the opening credits, and I had to turn around and ask them to shut that kid the hell up cuz I didnt pay 10 bucks to hear that little **** whine. He quieted down after gettin some candy, and thank god those imax speakers will make your brain bleed so if he didnt shut up itd be ok but the ******* in me would still be mad.

[TheBatman072]

We as adults are loving the scary Joker but i'm saddened that if they make him too scary kids will freak out and its all about merchandise as much as I hate to say it. we all know what parents can do to a dark batman.


Who gives a ****? Joker is SUPPOSED to be scary.


When you scare today's kids, you know you've got some scary ****.

[hannya]

Who gives a ****? Joker is SUPPOSED to be scary.


When you scare today's kids, you know you've got some scary ****.

Absolutely. And at the risk of sounding corny, the Batman mythos is morality tale. Batman does always try to do the best thing under rather trying circumstances. If kids see a man trying to do good under provocation by a monster like the Joker, hopefully they'll see the lesson in that.
Or not. Anyway, who cares? If you don't want to listen to kids whining, avoid the matinees.
And Spider-man is a very, very different kettle of fish (which is why I have never given a monkey's about how rubbish the films are).
Terrible mixed metaphors end here.

[Retroman]

:wow: Holy Moly @ news! :heart: Miranda:up:

I'm still apprehensive about the scarring though. Guess i'll just have to wait and see what it looks like to judge.
Good stuff. You the man MF.
lol I believe MF is a lady.:o

Side note: The forum keeps freezing up every now and again.It's so freaking annoying.:cmad:

[TheOnion]

lol I believe MF is a lady.:o


pics

[Steelsheen]

wow, and i thought when i left last night things are gonna stay quiet around here :p

again great, great job Miranda! you're really living up to the the term World's Greatest Detective :up:

[Compi716]

Wow Miranda, everything sounds great.

The Joker under Scarecrow's fear gas, eh? I wonder...
http://robertmonroe.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/tegneserie2.JPG

A possibility?

[TheComicbookKid]

the scar is probably small but it's the fact that Batman even touched him that will drive him insane.

Like some versions of Doom where the scar is small but he's too vain to care.

[Maniacal]

This is fantastic news and thank you Miranda Fox! I was feeling flat about the movie because of that stupid joker/mask crap the other day but if this is true the movie will be awesome. The part that got me thinking was about Batman doing some scarring to Joker's face whether it be a cut smile or just a gash and the information about how the escalation theme affects the Joker. The whole "whatever you do I can do better" thing has got me wondering that if Joker becomes somewhat deformed by Batman will be then in turn try and top Batman by scarring Harvey Dent. Then when he does he can say something along the lines of whatever Batman can do I can do better which would cause Bruce a lot of grief as he would blame himself for Harvey's scarring because Joker was doing it to get at and top Batman.

[Madzar]

Miranda for president!

[Apollo]

cant wait to see how joker will turn out!

[ETHAR-N]

Wow Miranda, everything sounds great.

The Joker under Scarecrow's fear gas, eh? I wonder...
http://robertmonroe.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/tegneserie2.JPG

A possibility?


KICKASS, i hope its at least like this,just remembering the looks of bats in begins, cant wait to see the vision of the joker under the gas

[david icke]

The whole "whatever you do I can do better" thing has got me wondering that if Joker becomes somewhat deformed by Batman will be then in turn try and top Batman by scarring Harvey Dent. Then when he does he can say something along the lines of whatever Batman can do I can do better which would cause Bruce a lot of grief as he would blame himself for Harvey's scarring because Joker was doing it to get at and top Batman.

That^ is a good theory, i can imagine the Nolan's writing it that way, giving the villans some connection instead of all popping up from different angles. I dont know how many spoilers im gonna allow myself to read but these ones are enough to excite me without really taking much away, thanks for the detective work people. Lookin forward to seein the Joker and Scarecrow together, under the gas effects they'll probably exaggerate the Joker's face to look angular like the comics, it may not be a still scene like the Batman fear gas, they could have the Joker coming at the Scarecrow from all angles as the Scarecrow's trying to get away from him.

[Nays]

...and gives Nolan his chance to have his scary monstrous joker and the classic joker in the same movie.

[dark_b]

so basicly nolan again did it?
sounds like a perfect sequel.
i hope hte finished movie will also be good. SR showed me that if the studio gives you to much control you can f... up the movie.
raimis spiderman was also good in the leaked script.

god i hope this will be better than SR ans spidey 3.

p.s. damn i again read spoilers from the movie. MIRANDA :cmad:

:woot:


P.S.2: seeing joker under the feargas is like a dream come true. i said it already nolan was send from god :wow:

[dark_b]

my english is not so good. what is a zip line? can someoen explain it to me ?

[Lando81]

AMAZING ! Miranda FTW!

[sasquatchs]

my english is not so good. what is a zip line? can someoen explain it to me ?

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[Darknightnomis]

http://redgum.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au/~hjboyd/faint.gif

// Passes out from the spoilers overload...//

[DV8]

it really makes me wonder what the fuack we ever did before Miranda came into our life . . . I think we mostly bickered like 5 year olds :up:

[dark_b]

http://www.advexp.com/images/h_zip_line_lg.gifthanks. and what then happens? how would this and batman make jokers scar on teh face?
need an explanation for a guy who is from EU :woot:

[Anita18]

thanks. and what then happens? how would this and batman make jokers scar on teh face?
need an explanation for a guy who is from EU :woot:
Whee EU. I just came back from a week in Italy, and that place has seriously kickass food and art. :up:

Well, tension is needed to keep the zipline straight (instead of just like, hanging there like an unused jumprope) and Batman supposedly cuts it with a Batarang when the Joker is trying to get on it. The zipline snaps back into his face and...yeah. Pretty nasty cut there, I would imagine.

Heh, Miranda elevates all of the women on the batforums to a higher level. :D Goooo us fangirls! I dunno if I'd be able to take getting all of the scoops and organizing them for SHH consumption though, so she's more of a fangirl than me. :up:

[dark_b]

Whee EU. I just came back from a week in Italy, and that place has seriously kickass food and art. :up:

Well, tension is needed to keep the zipline straight (instead of just like, hanging there like an unused jumprope) and Batman supposedly cuts it with a Batarang when the Joker is trying to get on it. The zipline snaps back into his face and...yeah. Pretty nasty cut there, I would imagine.

Heh, Miranda elevates all of the women on the batforums to a higher level. :D Goooo us fangirls! I dunno if I'd be able to take getting all of the scoops and organizing them for SHH consumption though, so she's more of a fangirl than me. :up:if this is true then ................:wow:

[Rynan]

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

I don't know. Sounds a bit Doctor Doom-ish.

[CConn]

I don't know. Sounds a bit Doctor Doom-ish.
It's only Doom-ish if it creates some type of hatred between Batman and Joker. Doom hardly has a trademark on all injuries to the face.

[mike316]

Sounds amazing! Really glad Scarecrow is in TDK. Can't wait for the Scarecrow/Joker scene.

Take note Joel Schumacher and Sam Raimi, Mr. Nolan will show you how to use multiple villains and still not make it too crowed...

BB- Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul, Falconi, Mr Zsasz(kind of...)
TDK- Joker, Scarecrow, Sal Maroni, Two-Face(possibly)

[Miranda Fox]

I've updated the original post to include some information regarding the Joker's look, other villians and Selina Kyle. :)

[fabman]

One question, Miranda: Is the bank robbery which was shot in Chicago the one which Gordon mentions at the end of Batman Begins?

*To myself* Be strong, don't read the spoilers :(

[IndianaJones]

From the sound of it, there's a good possibility that the 'gash' on Joker's face creates some kind of an extended smile along the lines of the Bermejo Joker:

http://img.photojerk.com/Killphaser/jokerbermejomanipcopyqf7.jpg

KICK ASS.

Great scoop, Fox.

[Agentsands77]

I've updated the original post to include some information regarding the Joker's look, other villians and Selina Kyle. :)
The Selina bit is fantastic news, but the fact that the Joker's going to look closer to Bermejo... I dunno. I'll wait to see what that really means.

[Dark Knight]

I've updated the original post to include some information regarding the Joker's look, other villians and Selina Kyle. :)



Nice! I can live with the Bermejo look....just as long as he doesn't have a permanent grin as Nicholson did. The gashes on the sides of his mouth would be cool though.

Regarding Selina....I personally have not been a big fan of introducing her into this Nolan trilogy. After his trilogy take if they decide to do more Bat films...then it would be cool to see her in the future.....but I would much rather see the Nolans go with introducing Talia Al Ghul with her using the cover of Lady Shiva to seek vengeance on the Dark Knight.....but she ends up falling in love with him. I just want to see a new femme fatale that we haven't seen onscreen before.

Damn, I can sense the ninjas on the prowl for your "source" Miranda! LOL
:ninja:

[Dark Sentinel]

:wow: Miranda, that just made my day!:woot:

[Miranda Fox]

The Selina bit is fantastic news, but the fact that the Joker's going to look closer to Bermejo... I dunno. I'll wait to see what that really means.

*nods* I doubt it'll look exactly the same - which is no knock at Bermejo, I just can't see WB signing off on something that extreme.

Regarding Selina....I personally have not been a big fan of introducing her into this Nolan trilogy. After his trilogy take if they decide to do more Bat films...then it would be cool to see her in the future.....but I would much rather see the Nolans go with introducing Talia Al Ghul with her using the cover of Lady Shiva to seek vengeance on the Dark Knight.....but she ends up falling in love with him. I just want to see a new femme fatale that we haven't seen onscreen before.

I see your point but damn...I like Selina! Even if it was just Selina, I'd be happy. :woot:



Miranda, that just made my day!

:) :up:

[NoName86]

Nice! I can live with the Bermejo look....just as long as he doesn't have a permanent grin as Nicholson did. The gashes on the sides of his mouth would be cool though.

Regarding Selina....I personally have not been a big fan of introducing her into this Nolan trilogy. After his trilogy take if they decide to do more Bat films...then it would be cool to see her in the future.....but I would much rather see the Nolans go with introducing Talia Al Ghul with her using the cover of Lady Shiva to seek vengeance on the Dark Knight.....but she ends up falling in love with him. I just want to see a new femme fatale that we haven't seen onscreen before.

Damn, I can sense the ninjas on the hunt for your "source" Miranda! LOL
:ninja:But see, this Nolan is quite smart for doing what he does. Hre introduces her so that, if he needs to later on, he can bring her into the story. This is why he will not kill off villains, and this is why he did not technically show Ra's dying. Unlike all the directors who took up Batman before him, he gets the part about not killing off the villains because there is always a way to use them. See scarecrow, man, Joker and scarecrow in the same movie. That right there tells you it will be dark. I recall B&R killing off the franchise, and it being dead for so long. Then figuring out they were revamping the franchise. I wasn't too excited because like many folks I thought they were gonna do the same thing they did with the previous 2 movies, bat nips and all. I get excited because my most influential super hero growing up is getting a proper portrayal, and the world that we are given in this new franchise is both awesome and wonderous.

I digress though..Moral of the story:I trust Nolan because he hasn't given me any reason not to at all so far. Anyyways, I'm just glad he is putting the villains/Batman to use. We are getting a Gotham that is as close to comics as it's ever been, and I think it is smart that they mention all the villans...even if they will not be shown.

[NoName86]

*nods* I doubt it'll look exactly the same - which is no knock at Bermejo, I just can't see WB signing off on something that extreme.



I see your point but damn...I like Selina! Even if it was just Selina, I'd be happy. :woot:




:) :up:
I agree Miranda, it is highly doubtful it will look exactly like Bermejo's, but there will be elements there that will bring that drawing to mind. I'm kinda warming up to a cut smile, granting he doesn't do it himself (which looks like it won't be, and the idea of it being Batman's fault is all the more ironic, he made the Joker the Joker, and that smile is metaphorical for it all), and that it isn't over the top. The one done on that other Joker drawing in this thread looks really good. Cut/scarred red lips, with an emphasized smile. Though I do doubt it will be as extreme as both the Bermejo and the drawing I just mentioned are. Those make up guys are pros though so I'm not even worrying about them doing a bad job. you better believe they are taking care of the Joker character because it is so vital to the franchise's success.

[superkong 500]

Wow bermejo's joker I don't like that idea at all, but as you said i don't think WB will let something that gruesome onscreen(pg-13+kids=money)

But I'll have to see. The selina bit sounds good its probably just a nod or a hint of part 3 though.

Thanks again miranda:yay: and keep spoiling us:woot:

[Dark Sentinel]

i seriously dont get the hangup on the "gash-smile". for me, i think it adds to Joker's "morbid sense of humor" (no pun intended:cwink:). also, with Cillian back in the mix, that makes Joker's character much more intimidating. i loved what Nolan did with the fear gas-Batman in Begins, so I can't wait to see what Joker will look like to a Scarecrow on a fear-gas-trip :woot:

i SO can't wait for this movie!!

[Dark Knight]

*nods* I doubt it'll look exactly the same - which is no knock at Bermejo, I just can't see WB signing off on something that extreme.



I see your point but damn...I like Selina! Even if it was just Selina, I'd be happy. :woot:




:) :up:




Yeah....I'll watch the films multiple times and love em regardless in the end! :word:

[NoName86]

You know, it was also said that his time will be less, but he will be far more dramatic. Makes sense then that he is not at all crane, but all scarecrow now. Yay for fire breathing horses! Also, I wonder what the tazer did to his face??? So many questions, will Scarecrow and Joker work together? Will they get in each others way? Will crane help him with his Joker Venom? So many questions, and man I really hope that Joker pic gets released at the end of this month as was mentioned.

[Agentsands77]

Wow bermejo's joker I don't like that idea at all, but as you said i don't think WB will let something that gruesome onscreen(pg-13+kids=money)
Well, yeah. WB's going to put some limits on that. But THE DARK KNIGHT is really shaping up to be a more adult and darker film than the first... I wonder whether that will limit its success to some degree or not. I'm all for it, but it's not going to put it in the Spider-man crowd.

The selina bit sounds good its probably just a nod or a hint of part 3 though.
Yeah, but that's enough to get me excited. I want her in BB3 so badly. She's the only really great love interest for Bruce Wayne/Batman (Talia's okay and all, but she doesn't even come close). Given that we already have Ra's, the Joker, and Two-Face in this franchise, she's all that's needed to make this franchise complete for me.

[Agentsands77]

Sands! Caught ya! I PM'd you mofo. Point me in the direction of that score track mofo! I will hunt you down! :oldrazz:
Did you not get the PM I sent? Hmm.

[DV8]

man . . . I love me some spoilers, but to be honest, I'm kind of sad that I won't be surprised by some of these juicy-sounding plot elements :(

[Macphisto]

I think this whole Joker scar thing is utter bull****. It's like something a 14 year old would come up with. Far too gimmicky for Nolan.

[superkong 500]

Well, yeah. WB's going to put some limits on that. But THE DARK KNIGHT is really shaping up to be a more adult and darker film than the first... I wonder whether that will limit its success to some degree or not. I'm all for it, but it's not going to put it in the Spider-man crowd.


Yeah, but that's enough to get me excited. I want her in BB3 so badly. She's the only really great love interest for Bruce Wayne/Batman (Talia's okay and all, but she doesn't even come close). Given that we already have Ra's, the Joker, and Two-Face in this franchise, she's all that's needed to make this franchise complete for me.

Oh Iam excited too I wasn't saying nor impliying that i wasn't. Selina is the greatest love interest bruce has ever had and in terms of the adultnnes and seriousnes of this film, I think that it will be more adult specially with jonah nolan writting the script and probably avoiding cheesy one liners as much as possible. But yes i think it will affect the box office but at the same time we have the Jman so maybe his popularity will bring the audience in We'll have to wait.

[Agentsands77]

I think this whole Joker scar thing is utter bull****. It's like something a 14 year old would come up with. Far too gimmicky for Nolan.
Since two separate sources, each vouched for by respected members on this board, have both indicated such an event, I'd count on it being true. If you don't like it, fine... but I'm fairly confidence in its legitimacy.

It would also explain all the rumors about Nolan trying to get really gruesome Joker concepts by WB, and them continually telling him to tone it down. And as far as being "gimmicky" - I dunno, we know so little about it. We don't even know what the scarring will be like.

[IamtheBatman]

There ain't no way a zip line would cause a minor gash to the Joker's face. There would me more damage to Joker.

[regwec]

Well, it's nice to have news. Can't say I'm that positive about it, though.

- I just don't approve of Bermejo's work as a visual source for The Joker. I think it just misses the point.

- Rachel really shouldn't have a bigger role. I think Maggie Gyllenhall is a far better actress than Katie Holmes, but I could really live without the character altogether.

- I am concerned about overcrowding in the film.

[fabman]

Are you? Have you count the characters in Batman Begins; Christopher Nolan, his brother and Goyer know what to do.

Trust :D

[ultimatefan]

Nice stuff as always, Miranda. I´m gonna wait and see more to make any kind of judgement. One of the problems with the boards is people tend to rush into judging things after just a generic description. I´ll say if a look works or not when I see it.

[batmanbeginsboy]

wooooooooooo hooooooooooooooo. i love the Bermejo Look. saweet. and i cant wait to see the joker through the eyes of someone on fear gas. saweet.

[fabman]

"I'll say that it resembled THE CROW in that it looked like the character did it himself, but it wasn't 'THE CROW makeup' (as I look again at pictures from THE CROW, I think part of it is that Ledger's facial structure with the white makeup resembles Brandon Lee's).

All of the makeup looked like the character used stuff you could buy at a store, and did it himself. The white went about mid-neck. He had a dark blue around his eyes, giving them a sunken, slightly demented look. The red smile was a thick (1/2") arc from mid-cheekbone to mid-cheekbone. It looked like the character grabbed a red stick of clown makeup and drew on a 'smile.' His hair was a greenish brown that looked like a poorly done home dye job. Overall, I thought the makeup looked like the character was trying to draw something that resembled the masks (of which, I assume you have see pics)."


That's the latest BOF report. I'd say it's BS, especially the "home-made" stuff, what do you think, Miranda? I really hope that this Joker isn't just a normal guy with white make-up on his face. :csad:

[Agentsands77]

"I'll say that it resembled THE CROW in that it looked like the character did it himself, but it wasn't 'THE CROW makeup' (as I look again at pictures from THE CROW, I think part of it is that Ledger's facial structure with the white makeup resembles Brandon Lee's).

All of the makeup looked like the character used stuff you could buy at a store, and did it himself. The white went about mid-neck. He had a dark blue around his eyes, giving them a sunken, slightly demented look. The red smile was a thick (1/2") arc from mid-cheekbone to mid-cheekbone. It looked like the character grabbed a red stick of clown makeup and drew on a 'smile.' His hair was a greenish brown that looked like a poorly done home dye job. Overall, I thought the makeup looked like the character was trying to draw something that resembled the masks (of which, I assume you have see pics)."

That's the latest BOF report. I'd say it's BS, especially the "home-made" stuff, what do you think, Miranda?
Sounds like junk to me. We have that picture of Ledger in make-up. There's no huge clown smile from mid-cheekbone to mid-cheekbone.

[Miranda Fox]

That's the latest BOF report. I'd say it's BS, especially the "home-made" stuff, what do you think, Miranda? I really hope that this Joker isn't just a normal guy with white make-up on his face. :csad:

I have no idea anymore.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You know what, some of this information will make you all ill..

perhaps once an official picture hits..we can all lay of the anti depressants. ;)

[Miranda Fox]

You know what, some of this information will make you all ill..

perhaps once an official picture hits..we can all lay of the anti depressants. ;)

Drugs do seem like a good idea right now...

I don't have any words to describe how ****ing lame that sounds. I'm okay with new and different interpretations but that sounds...stupid.

[sasquatchs]

- Rachel really shouldn't have a bigger role. I think Maggie Gyllenhall is a far better actress than Katie Holmes, but I could really live without the character altogether.

- I am concerned about overcrowding in the film.

If it was still Katie I'd be sorely disappointed, but who else is Dent going to talk to in the office? As long as there isn't a lapse into romance it should be fine. In fact, I want as little levity as possible in this film, the Gordon stuff ruined some of the tension in BB

Don't think overcrowding will be any more an issue this time. We've lost a villain, gained a villain and a hero, with an extra 1/2 hour for present day scenes I assume.

Has anyone mentioned anything about Renee Montoya? Wonder what the cop situation is this time?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Drugs do seem like a good idea right now...

I don't have any words to describe how ****ing lame that sounds. I'm okay with new and different interpretations but that sounds...stupid.

I agree..sounds like super crap..

I'm gonna crack open a beer.:woot:

[Miranda Fox]

I agree..sounds like super crap..

I'm gonna crack open a beer.:woot:

I don't even drink and now I want to get seriously drunk...

[CrashNburn]

Sounds Good...can I Join Ya!

[itsthebatman]

Well, it's nice to have news. Can't say I'm that positive about it, though.

- I just don't approve of Bermejo's work as a visual source for The Joker. I think it just misses the point.

- Rachel really shouldn't have a bigger role. I think Maggie Gyllenhall is a far better actress than Katie Holmes, but I could really live without the character altogether.

- I am concerned about overcrowding in the film.
After SM3, so am I. But consider:
No Ra's (in fact, we're down two Rasses, em, two Ra'sses, em, more than one Ra's), and we have Joker as the main villain.
No Finch, replaced by Harvey Dent, presumably a bigger role.
No Earle.
No Falcone, replaced by Maroni.
Zsasz and Scarecrow may/may not be back.
Less flashbacks to Bruce's training, so more time to develop present day Gotham
Bats, Gordon, Rachel, Lucius, all present and correct.
So, overall, not that many more characters. And Nolan juggled the villains well in the first one (without the need for sappy backstory. Can you imagine Scarecrow going 'I did it for my daughter?'. Yeesh.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I don't even drink and now I want to get seriously drunk...



Thats a shame..beer make the pain go away.

;)

[itsthebatman]

I don't even drink and now I want to get seriously drunk...
I drink and as soon as I get home after a VERY LONG DAY at work (not over yet) I am cracking open a bottle of cool white wine.
Fox, as always, good work. re bds, I'll take him out for ya if needed. My old offer still stands.
:hulk: people who make Miranda sad make itsthebatman angry!

EDIT:
Sorry, posted the end of this post elsewhere, but my computer crashed as it was doing so, not sure if

[Agentsands77]

As to how I feel about a make-up-using Joker... well, I'd be disappointed. I think I could live with it on its own, though with the scarring info, it does seem that we'd be moving radically away from the Joker we all know and love.

Anyway, it doesn't match up with the photo of Ledger in make-up, so I'm fine. I think it's nothing but lies.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I drink and as soon as I get home after a VERY LONG DAY at work (not over yet) I am cracking open a bottle of cool white wine.
Fox, as always, good work. re bds, I'll take him out for ya if needed. My old offer still stands.
:hulk: people who make Miranda sad make itsthebatman angry!



Breaking the law, makes Murphy angry.

[sglass03]

Miranda - any chance for more details from your source? I, for one, am interested in the Joker's wardrobe. Does he have the purple? Is it something more modern? Will he have several different costumes, etc.?

[NoName86]

"I'll say that it resembled THE CROW in that it looked like the character did it himself, but it wasn't 'THE CROW makeup' (as I look again at pictures from THE CROW, I think part of it is that Ledger's facial structure with the white makeup resembles Brandon Lee's).

All of the makeup looked like the character used stuff you could buy at a store, and did it himself. The white went about mid-neck. He had a dark blue around his eyes, giving them a sunken, slightly demented look. The red smile was a thick (1/2") arc from mid-cheekbone to mid-cheekbone. It looked like the character grabbed a red stick of clown makeup and drew on a 'smile.' His hair was a greenish brown that looked like a poorly done home dye job. Overall, I thought the makeup looked like the character was trying to draw something that resembled the masks (of which, I assume you have see pics)."




That's a bit too much, can't say I see Nolan doing it. It sounds far too overcomplicated. He puts on all this make up to look like a clown, and runs around robbing places. Happens to get a cut smile and something happens to make his skin and hair and lips look permanently like a clown? No way. Too much unfortunate events, too many freakish accidents there.

[Dark Knight]

I agree..sounds like super crap..

I'm gonna crack open a beer.:woot:



Heyoooo! Get the weekend started early huh? It's not even 12pm over here on the west coast yet! :wow:

[Miranda Fox]

Miranda - any chance for more details from your source? I, for one, am interested in the Joker's wardrobe. Does he have the purple? Is it something more modern? Will he have several different costumes, etc.?

I'll look into it.

:batman:

[fabman]

Drugs do seem like a good idea right now...

I don't have any words to describe how ****ing lame that sounds. I'm okay with new and different interpretations but that sounds...stupid.

I agree, the idea is lame...

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Heyoooo! Get the weekend started early huh? It's not even 12pm over here on the west coast yet! :wow:

Its 19.40 here in England.

Super cool

:cool:

[Miranda Fox]

I agree, the idea is lame...

And why would it freak the bank manager out? I'd giggle at something that stupid.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Well a gun in his face would help.

[sasquatchs]

Could we possibly get any more info on new cops in TDK? Like a certain "Latin female" that was rumoured last year

[Miranda Fox]

Well a gun in his face would help.

LOL, perhaps I have a death wish then.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

LOL, perhaps I have a death wish then.

I hope not..

you and Retro bring us all sweets almost everyday.:woot:

[Agentsands77]

And why would it freak the bank manager out? I'd giggle at something that stupid.
Well, I would be freaked out by a crazy with a gun and clown make-up on. A lot. Maybe not enough to have the bank manager's reaction, but ya never know. Admittedly, it would be much freakier if the clownish appearance didn't come from make-up, and makes a lot more sense with the scene as presented in the sides (I mean, if it was just make-up... why put it on that day and then wear a clown mask over it?).

[Macphisto]

What with the conflicting reports, this stinks of WB/Nolan having a little fun at the fans' expense.

[Castlewood]

Isn't it funny how we have so much information about this movie (maybe too much), but yet, it feels like we don't really have anything?

Like, we know so much, we've seen pictures of Ledger in costume, we've seen script sides, we know all about the casting, and supposedly Joker's look..... but yet we know so little.

Isn't that weird? I just thought I'd share it... There's so much, but yet there's nothing. :dry:

There is no spoon, I guess.

[regwec]

The dreadful concept of The Joker applying his own makeup sounds like it is a work of the imagination of a thirteen year old message-board user and swivel-chair-director from middle America who thinks that Saw is a proper horror film and that his sister's knickers are captivating.

/anger]

[NoName86]

@reg--Exactly, and I do think this news is wrong. Here's why...

It contradicts news we got before about the Joker and the fact that his skin would be a sickly grey, as if by acid burns to his skin.

[Macphisto]

The dreadful concept of The Joker applying his own makeup sounds like it is a work of the imagination of a thirteen year old message-board user and swivel-chair-director from middle America who thinks that Saw is a proper horror film and that his sister's knickers are captivating.

/anger]
So true.

[fabman]

A Nightmare on Elm Street; Evil Dead;

Anyway, going back IT, the idea's lame and I don't trust Jett or the source on this one.

[sglass03]

Unless they are total lies/misdirection, I believe the sides over anything else, at least until something official is released.

We know, for one, that the bank manager is horrified by what he sees when Joker removes the mask. Compare this to a similar scene where the cop is tied up, and comments on "his smile," clearly horrified in much the same way.

We don't know where the second side takes place in the story, but these similar reactions imply that the Joker's look is more than just applied makeup. Clearly, he's a freak - and I think Nolan is smart enough to realize that the inherent qualities of Joker (bleached skin, large smile, etc.) shouldn't be fooled around with.

Also, on another note - anyone seeing the parallels between the rumors and Batman #1? I guess Nolan and Crew weren't kidding when they said they'd draw from it for inspiraition. For instance...

- According to the sides, Joker and Co. steal police uniforms - in Batman #1, Joker disgusies himself as a cop (and Joker also covers himself in plain makeup to cover his skin and hair.)

- According to the rumors, Joker and Batman get in a tussle which seriously angers the Joker (at least according to Anjow's source.) In Batman #1, Joker and Batman get in an initial fight which further drives the Joker on, attacking Robin in the process.

- In TDK, Batman's suit is apparently weighed down at some point with water, which forces him to change the suit design. In Batman #1, Joker throws Batman off a bridge into a river, and there are a few scenes underwater.

Wonder what else they'll mirror?

[dark_b]

Sounds like junk to me. We have that picture of Ledger in make-up. There's no huge clown smile from mid-cheekbone to mid-cheekbone.we are nto 100% sure if this is ledger in make-up.

[TheBatman072]

His suit is made of Nomex, and is a Military Survival Suit. If something was knife and bullet proof, wouldn't it be water-proof too?

[Agentsands77]

Wonder what else they'll mirror?
In one of the sides, a judge receives a threatening note - seems like the Joker is going to target a judge for execution. Another thing right out of BATMAN No. 1.

[StorminNorman]

I have no doubt that the BOF report is merely some extra over exaggerating a sight that he only got a glimpse of. Every other shred of evidence points to anything but a make-up faced Joker, including multiple reports by BOF.

[sasquatchs]

Wasn't Five Way Revenge another influence? Maybe they'll have Joker dispose of his goons. From those Chicago videos it looked like Joker was the only one that escaped from the bank

[Batty Belfry]

Unless they are total lies/misdirection, I believe the sides over anything else, at least until something official is released.

We know, for one, that the bank manager is horrified by what he sees when Joker removes the mask. Compare this to a similar scene where the cop is tied up, and comments on "his smile," clearly horrified in much the same way.

We don't know where the second side takes place in the story, but these similar reactions imply that the Joker's look is more than just applied makeup. Clearly, he's a freak - and I think Nolan is smart enough to realize that the inherent qualities of Joker (bleached skin, large smile, etc.) shouldn't be fooled around with.

Also, on another note - anyone seeing the parallels between the rumors and Batman #1? I guess Nolan and Crew weren't kidding when they said they'd draw from it for inspiraition. For instance...

- According to the sides, Joker and Co. steal police uniforms - in Batman #1, Joker disgusies himself as a cop (and Joker also covers himself in plain makeup to cover his skin and hair.)

- According to the rumors, Joker and Batman get in a tussle which seriously angers the Joker (at least according to Anjow's source.) In Batman #1, Joker and Batman get in an initial fight which further drives the Joker on, attacking Robin in the process.

- In TDK, Batman's suit is apparently weighed down at some point with water, which forces him to change the suit design. In Batman #1, Joker throws Batman off a bridge into a river, and there are a few scenes underwater.

Wonder what else they'll mirror?

Good analysis.

[SpinyNorman]

Anyone wondering if the "zip line" injury occurs in the bank scene we already heard so much about?

For some reason in my head I established this as being early on in the movie... I have absolutely no proof of this. But at first I thought it was a bad idea because that would be really premature ejaculation as far as setting up the Joker as kick-ass.

Then I remembered that this is probably a quarter to a third of the way into the movie. The Joker starts as Joker and just goes crazier. They may not even meet face to face until halfway through.

Heh... "Face to face..." so many puns available..

[Katsuro]

Please let all of this be false. PLEASE!! I dont want a cut-smiled Joker who puts on his own make-up. That's terrible.

WB needs to get a picture out NOW!!! Seriously, I cant be the only one who just lost tons of anticipation for this film after this news. Just lets us see whether this is true or not, so I can either stop worrying, or learn to accept this crap.

[Batty Belfry]

His suit is made of Nomex, and is a Military Survival Suit. If something was knife and bullet proof, wouldn't it be water-proof too?

The suit in BB didn't look like Nomex at all. It looked like Kevlar/Carbon-fiber material, hence the line about the "kevlar bi-weave. When I was in the Army as a tank crewmember, we wore Nomex jumpsuits as standard issue, similar to flightsuits in nature. They look like regular cloth, yet are employed for their fire-retardant capability. I think they just wanted to make it technical sounding with real words instead of techno-babble ala Star Trek. Nomex is not waterproof. Gore-Tex is though.

[IamtheBatman]

Unless they are total lies/misdirection, I believe the sides over anything else, at least until something official is released.

We know, for one, that the bank manager is horrified by what he sees when Joker removes the mask. Compare this to a similar scene where the cop is tied up, and comments on "his smile," clearly horrified in much the same way.

We don't know where the second side takes place in the story, but these similar reactions imply that the Joker's look is more than just applied makeup. Clearly, he's a freak - and I think Nolan is smart enough to realize that the inherent qualities of Joker (bleached skin, large smile, etc.) shouldn't be fooled around with.

Also, on another note - anyone seeing the parallels between the rumors and Batman #1? I guess Nolan and Crew weren't kidding when they said they'd draw from it for inspiraition. For instance...

- According to the sides, Joker and Co. steal police uniforms - in Batman #1, Joker disgusies himself as a cop (and Joker also covers himself in plain makeup to cover his skin and hair.)

- According to the rumors, Joker and Batman get in a tussle which seriously angers the Joker (at least according to Anjow's source.) In Batman #1, Joker and Batman get in an initial fight which further drives the Joker on, attacking Robin in the process.

- In TDK, Batman's suit is apparently weighed down at some point with water, which forces him to change the suit design. In Batman #1, Joker throws Batman off a bridge into a river, and there are a few scenes underwater.

Wonder what else they'll mirror?

Now, we know how Joker will kill Loeb.

[regwec]

Please let all of this be false. PLEASE!! I dont want a cut-smiled Joker who puts on his own make-up. That's terrible.

WB needs to get a picture out NOW!!! Seriously, I cant be the only one who just lost tons of anticipation for this film after this news. Just lets us see whether this is true or not, so I can either stop worrying, or learn to accept this crap.

I'm with you.

[SpinyNorman]

I don't want the self-applied makeup, that's for goddamn sure. As far as the cut smile goes I think it could be handled in a very cool way, but self-applied make-up? The hell with that.

I really hope this Chicago Extra guy is full of crap.

[Dark Knight]

I don't want the self-applied makeup, that's for goddamn sure. As far as the cut smile goes I think it could be handled in a very cool way, but self-applied make-up? The hell with that.

I really hope this Chicago Extra guy is full of crap.



Self applied makeup is no bueno.....:down

[thedarks0ldier]

What makes you think he will have applid make up? He puts on make up to blend in, but not to be the joker.