The Official Tattoo Thread (from now on)

[jaguarr]

I was once told the wolf was my totem. But I don't know if I trust the source. (Not knowing much at all about the totem beliefs, could someone else even tell you? I thought it was something you had to find for yourself...? I don't know much about belief systems other than Christianity.)


Long story short, before I run off to my all day friggin' meeting, a Sioux medicine man who could see other people's totem animals saw the jaguar in me at a high school Native American Fair/Exhibition. Some people are lucky enough to encounter an individual who has this ability like I was. Others have to find their own totem animal, sometimes through a vision quest. Read up on Shamanism and totem animals. Very interesting stuff! :up:

jag

[Drakon]

Well, he's a math nut, and was livid that I didn't express the idea sooner, like back before he had parts of his sleeves done [he's had his sleeves since I knew him :p

[Logan's Runt]

Long story short, before I run off to my all day friggin' meeting, a Sioux medicine man who could see other people's totem animals saw the jaguar in me at a high school Native American Fair/Exhibition. Some people are lucky enough to encounter an individual who has this ability like I was. Others have to find their own totem animal, sometimes through a vision quest. Read up on Shamanism and totem animals. Very interesting stuff! :up:

jag

Thanks! I will do that. Have fun at the meeting. :woot:

[Logan's Runt]

Well, he's a math nut, and was livid that I didn't express the idea sooner, like back before he had parts of his sleeves done [he's had his sleeves since I knew him :p

Aw, suck. Did you hear about the book tattooed on people?

[Drakon]

O_o


No....

[Logan's Runt]

O_o


No....

Some author lady wrote a book, then enlisted thousands of people to each get one word of it tattooed on them. She got a lot of people from the SG sphere for it (kind of our bag), but it was a while ago. I haven't heard anything recently. I don't know if she ever actually finished it.

[Drakon]

Interesting.

[incubat]

Find a shop with a reputable artist who does custom work. Bring ideas, inspiration, etc and let the artist draw something up. Every time my artist comes up with something new, I'm amazed by it.

thx, I was also thinking on doing a design myself...but I don't if it'll work out

[psychocheeseman]

Man, I love these chicks with tats!


It always good to see a girl thats willing to do something she knows she's probably going to regret later on....


giggity!

[Badger]

Man, I love these chicks with tats!


It always good to see a girl thats willing to do something she knows she's probably going to regret later on....


giggity!

:whatever:

Quoting myself b/c I don't to be buried at the bottom of the last page.

Nice Tat. :up:

[jaguarr]

The outlining on the new ink looks pretty good, LJ. The proof in the pudding will be when he colors it in. If your artist has it together, it should turn out pretty sweet. :up: As an aside, did you have trouble finding someone willing to work on you given your HIV status?

jag

[jaguarr]

Not too much actually. My artist is a very close friend of the family and a 23 year veteran, so he was really understanding and cool about it. There was a big rumor in my town about in the late 90s that he had all these STD and everything and it hurt his business. Well, he has always been clean and regularly tests himself and always has, but it turns out that a rival artist had started the rumor. The significance is that he understood the discrimination and predjudice you can experience so we went extra far with safety and everything turned out fine. He did all of my other work pre-HIV, so I have no problem staying with him


Awesome! :up: Can't wait to see what he does with the color work.

jag

[Logan's Runt]

Same here. I'm so happy he's doing it b/c his shop is covered in Batman and Kiss memorbilia. He has so many figures and other collectibles that I knew he'd do me right. He kept saying he wishes he was getting the tattoo in stead of me. lol

Sounds like you found a great artist. I can't wait to see this one finished! :woot:

[incubat]

Quoting myself b/c I don't to be buried at the bottom of the last page.

oh man...that looks so awesome...nice idea, who came up with the idea for the design, you or your artist?

[CyberFaust]

allas, in about a month i'm getting into college if my exams go as they should.
into, in fact, journalism.
And to honor this i have decided (and seriously thought over) tat i need a tatoo.

But not just any tatoo.
i want a tatoo taht should mean something.
And there is one thing i want to remember for as long as i write, and that is The Truth
so i want to remind myself about that. So i figure a tatoo is the thing for it, linda like a moto tat, only for journalists.
I was thinkin' getting it made in latin, because i would hate to have english on my skin, romanian, double so. And i can read latin. So latin it is

This would be Veritas. I have no idea where to put it, or how it should look, i just feel it's something i need to do.
I don't want anything flashy, that's not the point, si simple roman letters, andient style, or runes should do.

any ideas SHH?

[Logan's Runt]

This would be Veritas. I have no idea where to put it, or how it should look, i just feel it's something i need to do.
I don't want anything flashy, that's not the point, si simple roman letters, andient style, or runes should do.

any ideas SHH?

I've always thought that simple lettering on the inside of the wrist was powerful and poignant.

[CyberFaust]

i was thinking something a wee bit bigger and not on my arms or hands, because it's kinda private and i don't want to show it off if i wear short sleeves or something.

[jaguarr]

i was thinking something a wee bit bigger and not on my arms or hands, because it's kinda private and i don't want to show it off if i wear short sleeves or something.

Get it tattooed on your penis and that way you'll be the only person who will ever see it. :dry:

jag

[Logan's Runt]

i was thinking something a wee bit bigger and not on my arms or hands, because it's kinda private and i don't want to show it off if i wear short sleeves or something.

Hmm.. abdomen, around the hipbones? There aren't a lot of 'common' places for text. Other than that, I guess chest would be common.

[CyberFaust]

Get it tattooed on your penis and that way you'll be the only person who will ever see it. :dry:

jag
well it certainly would be a great deal bigger than on mt arm but i wouldn't like something sharp heading that way so i can get a tatoo, and as i understand it, the sharp thing is customary for getting a tatoo.

i was thinking vertical, on the chest, but i don't know how it would look.

[Logan's Runt]

well it certainly would be a great deal bigger than on mt arm but i wouldn't like something sharp heading that way so i can get a tatoo, and as i understand it, the sharp thing is customary for getting a tatoo.

i was thinking vertical, on the chest, but i don't know how it would look.

Sharpie!

[CyberFaust]

run that by me again please, with more words.

[jaguarr]

run that by me again please, with more words.

Write it on your body with a Sharpie or felt-tip marker of some kind to get a sense of how it would look placed in that spot. It wears off. Eventually.

jag

[CyberFaust]

that's just insane enough to work!

[Logan's Runt]

Write it on your body with a Sharpie or felt-tip marker of some kind to get a sense of how it would look placed in that spot. It wears off. Eventually.

jag

:up: I did that with several of mine. Some of them I decided against because of it.

Also, when my forearm was just outlines, I carried sharpies and let people color it in for fun. :woot:

[uchiha_itachi]

i want a tattoo so bad. i think im settling on the idea of some sort of pirate tattoo. i duno if thats going to be a character or symbol or skulls n stuff though. i dont really know the best way to think of what i want lol

[Deep Thinkin'!]

I'd be scared to get a tattoo. Thinking that I might hate it later... you can't change a tattoo.... it's there for good.

If I did though, it'd be very small.

[Asteroid-Man]

Any girls with tatoos out there? hahahahaha

[Jack Rabbit]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/jack_rabbit_/CIMG0293.jpg

Yeah, DEFINITELY not me. I'm just glad I have friends retarded enough to do stupid things FOR me.

[Asteroid-Man]

:huh: ew

[chaseter]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/jack_rabbit_/CIMG0293.jpg

Yeah, DEFINITELY not me. I'm just glad I have friends retarded enough to do stupid things FOR me.
God that is the most funny yet horrible tatoo ever. I don't have one but want one superhero-ish. Suggestions? I kind of thought Spidey's eyes would be cool...small somewhere.

[Jack Rabbit]

You could be dumb like my other friend...
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/jack_rabbit_/CIMG0758.jpg

But at least he has the form and the tone to pull that off. But still...stupid.

[Ben Urich]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/jack_rabbit_/CIMG0293.jpg

Yeah, DEFINITELY not me. I'm just glad I have friends retarded enough to do stupid things FOR me.

Chewie has Down's Syndrome. :csad:

[Jack Rabbit]

The Superman Returns symbol? Ick.:down:

Dude, any SYMBOL. :huh:

[Deep Thinkin'!]

It could be worse I think....

[jaguarr]

I'd be scared to get a tattoo. Thinking that I might hate it later... you can't change a tattoo.... it's there for good.



Not entirely true. If you get tired of a design, in many instances you can have cover-up work done and turn the old tattoo into something completely different altogether. *butinkisstillpermanentshrug*

jag

[Ben Urich]

You could be dumb like my other friend...
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/jack_rabbit_/CIMG0758.jpg

But at least he has the form and the tone to pull that off. But still...stupid.

:dry:

[jaguarr]

Errr, yeah, that guy doesn't really have the physique to pull off a tattoo like that. He probably gets raped in the showers. A lot.

jag

[ComicChick]

I've always thought that simple lettering on the inside of the wrist was powerful and poignant.

i agree, that's what my tattoo is

[chaseter]

Errr, yeah, that guy doesn't really have the physique to pull off a tattoo like that. He probably gets raped in the showers. A lot.

jag
And then you pee on him:cwink:

[Jack Rabbit]

:dry:

I KNOW.

[Deep Thinkin'!]

Not entirely true. If you get tired of a design, in many instances you can have cover-up work done and turn the old tattoo into something completely different altogether. *butinkisstillpermanentshrug*

jag

Yeaaaah....

[incubat]

I'd be scared to get a tattoo. Thinking that I might hate it later... you can't change a tattoo.... it's there for good.

If I did though, it'd be very small.

I did mine on my back so I wouldn't see it all the time, and so I wo't get bored any time soon...

[Logan's Runt]

i want a tattoo so bad. i think im settling on the idea of some sort of pirate tattoo. i duno if thats going to be a character or symbol or skulls n stuff though. i dont really know the best way to think of what i want lol

Hooray for pirate tattoos! My sleeve is pirate themed.

[Green Goblin 1964]

You could be dumb like my other friend...
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/jack_rabbit_/CIMG0758.jpg

But at least he has the form and the tone to pull that off. But still...stupid.
LMAO! He's been BRANDED!:dry::dry::dry::dry:

wow, he's retarded

[Logan's Runt]

LMAO! He's been BRANDED!:dry::dry::dry::dry:

wow, he's retarded

That facial expression looks like he thinks so, too.

[MakeMineMarvel]

Since I never posted it before - here it is:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e135/raqwell76/OPtatt.jpg

It actually does line up right, but I took the picture with my camera phone without the aid of a mirror, so my arm is a little twisted.

[incubat]

^awesome!

[Clerk]

My friend and I each got one half of the batsignal on our buttcheeks, and we press it together and make the wings flap.:batty:

[CyberFaust]

that is veerry amuzing considering your custom title :D

[Clerk]

You should see my Spiderman tattoo.:o

[CyberFaust]

no i shouldn't!

[keith_v]

You could be dumb like my other friend...
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/jack_rabbit_/CIMG0758.jpg

But at least he has the form and the tone to pull that off. But still...stupid.


I can't wait to see that tattoo in 40 years! Toss that tat in the "What the hell was I thinking?" bin.

[uchiha_itachi]

Hooray for pirate tattoos! My sleeve is pirate themed.

u posted a pic of it?

[keith_v]

Since I never posted it before - here it is:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e135/raqwell76/OPtatt.jpg

It actually does line up right, but I took the picture with my camera phone without the aid of a mirror, so my arm is a little twisted.

This one I'm diggin'. Very nice.

[Draw4u]

I can't wait to see that tattoo in 40 years! Toss that tat in the "What the hell was I thinking?" bin.


You guys might think this is a stupid tattoo, but if its real, its EXTREMELY well done. This is a tough area to tattoo and whoever did it, did a bang up job.

[jaguarr]

You guys might think this is a stupid tattoo, but if its real, its EXTREMELY well done. This is a tough area to tattoo and whoever did it, did a bang up job.

Hey, good to see you, man. How you been? Your shop doing well?

jag

[keith_v]

You guys might think this is a stupid tattoo, but if its real, its EXTREMELY well done. This is a tough area to tattoo and whoever did it, did a bang up job.


There's no arguing with the quality, it looks photorealistic. It's just the actual choice in content that's questionable.

[jaguarr]

There's no arguing with the quality, it looks photorealistic. It's just the actual choice in content that's questionable.

It's questionable for YOU. It's not something you would get done, and that's fine. For the person wearing it, it obviously would mean a great deal to them and that's fine too. That's the beauty of tattooing; the only person it really matters to at all is the person wearing it. But spending time dissing someone else's inkwork for the sole reason that you would not personally choose the design they did because it means nothing to you seems needlessly judgmental.

jag

[Jolie_Desastre]

Got this done a few hours ago. Hurt alot more than I remember my others hurting...Still, worth it in the end. :):up:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Venom_uk/MyTat04.jpg
sweet tattoo :up:

[Kritish]

Since I never posted it before - here it is:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e135/raqwell76/OPtatt.jpg

It actually does line up right, but I took the picture with my camera phone without the aid of a mirror, so my arm is a little twisted.

In sixty years your grand children are going to ask what the hell that is.

[Asteroid-Man]

tattoos hurt?

[Jolie_Desastre]

tattoos hurt?

i've heard different stories everytime i ask someone if it does.

it feels like needles are pricking you at a high speed

doesn't really hurt until you go over bones(hip,ribs,spine,etc.)

it feels like a lighter is going over ur skin, afterwards u feel like you have a sunburn

[Asteroid-Man]

wth?

[incubat]

tattoos hurt?

I agree with jolie, but I also want to add that it mostly depends on the person. Mine hurt a lot less than I thought it would, doesn't mean it didn't hurt at all either, just imagine a lot of needles going over your skin very fast and that's pretty much how it feels.

[Logan's Runt]

I agree with jolie, but I also want to add that it mostly depends on the person. Mine hurt a lot less than I thought it would, doesn't mean it didn't hurt at all either, just imagine a lot of needles going over your skin very fast and that's pretty much how it feels.

Yeah. The anticipation is worse. Elbows are not really too fun, though.

[incubat]

Yeah. The anticipation is worse. Elbows are not really too fun, though.

Yeah, I guess that hurts. Mine was on the back so it did hurt a little when it passed over the bone, but overall it didn't hurt as much as people said it would.

[jaguarr]

Ribs. Only part that hurt a little bit on mine was my ribs. But, yeah.....you're having needles pumped in and out of your skin at a high rate of speed. It's not going to feel like the soft caress of silk.

jag

[incubat]

or a kittens toungue

[Logan's Runt]

Ribs. Only part that hurt a little bit on mine was my ribs. But, yeah.....you're having needles pumped in and out of your skin at a high rate of speed. It's not going to feel like the soft caress of silk.

jag

I've heard ribs are pretty terrible. And the sternum and collarbones.

[jaguarr]

I've heard ribs are pretty terrible. And the sternum and collarbones.

According to my artist, the breast plate and the top of the foot are the most painful places to get inked, as a generality. Everyone is different and has different pain tolerances. Hell, everyone is different on any given day. You might be able to take a lot of pain one day and none at all another day.

jag

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Hahaha, I saw the grossest one of those things on CSI where they zoom in CGI to show the bullet in slo-mo cracking the skull, or the lungs closing up from the deadly gas, etc.
But it was of a guy getting a tattoo, with these giant spears slowly rip through his magnified skin.
Looked like Hellraiser.

[jaguarr]

If tattooing were done with giant spears I think a lot less people would have them. :o

jag

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Mmm...organ tattoos

[incubat]

organ tattoos?

[jaguarr]

organ tattoos?

Would you like a crucifix tattooed on your spleen?

jag

[incubat]

no...oh ok, I get it

[Logan's Runt]

According to my artist, the breast plate and the top of the foot are the most painful places to get inked, as a generality. Everyone is different and has different pain tolerances. Hell, everyone is different on any given day. You might be able to take a lot of pain one day and none at all another day.

jag

Great, my next two projects were going to be a chestpiece and the tops of my feet. :woot:

[jaguarr]

Great, my next two projects were going to be a chestpiece and the tops of my feet. :woot:

That should be fun for you. :D One of my very dear friends (pretty much my big sister) has a big chest piece and has said that of all the ink she has (and she has a lot), that was the most painful one she's ever had done.

jag

[Logan's Runt]

That should be fun for you. :D One of my very dear friends (pretty much my big sister) has a big chest piece and has said that of all the ink she has (and she has a lot), that was the most painful one she's ever had done.

jag

Super. Well I'll be looking forward to that, then. :woot: At least my working idea right now is pretty simple and not a lot of ink time.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I just bought this book.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/rct.jpg

insane crap in there.

If I was going to get tattoos, I'd go for those kind. The more creepy, old-looking, non-slick, "Outsider Art" style.

[PhotoJones]

Anyone know who Fudo is? In about a month's time, I should have him covering my entire left thigh...

[jaguarr]

Anyone know who Fudo is? In about a month's time, I should have him covering my entire left thigh...

I've heard his name, but I've never seen any of his work.

jag

[Green Lantern]

So I'm finally getting the tattoo that I've been meaning to get for three years...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/LanternLight/SkynyrdTatcopy.jpg?t=1186453758

Much smaller than that, (about four inches by five) on my left shoulder, I'll post pics on Thursday or Friday after its done.

[The Evolutionist]

^It'll be interesting to see how that translates onto the human skin.

[Kritish]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/switch_18/tattoos.jpg

[incubat]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/switch_18/tattoos.jpg

lol..... if that was real it'd be awesome

[keith_v]

Super. Well I'll be looking forward to that, then. :woot: At least my working idea right now is pretty simple and not a lot of ink time.


What were you planning on getting done?

I have to draw up a pin-up girl for my boss. Something I'm not exactly looking forward to.

[Roughneck]

Well, just got back from a week in Vegas...and I got a new Tat.


Crappy pics taken with my crappy phone....



Enjoy

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/7268/watchyw9.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/5752/watch2yr1.jpg

[bullets]

i sthat supposed to be an arrow or a blood splatter

[tzarinna]

It's a Watchmen tat, bullet.
Nice, Rough. :up:

[Roughneck]

Thanks Tzar....I'll take a better pic when I unpack my Camera and the Tat heals better

[Kritish]

Is it normal to want a tattoo even though you have no clue what you want?

[tzarinna]

That's how I feel, Krit.

[bullets]

ive got four but i feel a strange adiction. we have a tattoo convention here in boston. its coming back soon. or i missed it.

[Roughneck]

it's normal....but make sure you decide before you go in....or else wind up with a tat like the one on my left Bicep....which I will not post a picture of....if I did post a pic then you would know why I won't post it.

[bullets]

yea its this weekend . good thing i checked .

[Kritish]

it's normal....but make sure you decide before you go in....or else wind up with a tat like the one on my left Bicep....which I will not post a picture of....if I did post a pic then you would know why I won't post it.

It's the name of your ex isn't it? :o

[Roughneck]

No it's worse than that.......okay...you've worn me down


Now I was drunk, and this looked a lot cooler on the wall, and the colors ere different....oh and this pic is fresh so it looks a little rough....it's almost two years older now.


http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8751/vegas115ub2.jpg


Now it's not a bad Tattoo perse.....but it's sure something I'm not too fond of having on my arm.....but it's helped me win a few 'Bad Tattoo' Contests at parties.

[Roughneck]

Oh and it's a sitty blurry pic

[tzarinna]

You've posted that before, haven't you?
I feel like I've seen it before.

[Logan's Runt]

My sleeve is finally finished!

Here's the final piece done today:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/ship2.jpg

The whole thing:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/armdonegood4.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/armdonegood3.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/armdonegood2.jpg

Happy joy joy. :up:

I'm meeting with my artist on Saturday to work on plans for the other sleeve. :o

[Badger]

Nice, Runt!!

[Super Kal]

awesome tat, LR :up:

[incubat]

that awesome

[keith_v]

Does anybody know what the average price of an apprenticeship is?

[X-Chick]

Damn...nobody's posted here in a while. So, I was wondering...what possesses someone to get a ****ty tattoo? Is it because they think it looks awesome or because they don't care or know any better? It really bothers me.

Hm...I'm up to like 4 now...another one soon too...

Btw, Logan, that's ****ing sick. :up:

[Hotwire]

Damn...nobody's posted here in a while. So, I was wondering...what possesses someone to get a ****ty tattoo? Is it because they think it looks awesome or because they don't care or know any better? It really bothers me.

Hm...I'm up to like 4 now...another one soon too...

Btw, Logan, that's ****ing sick. :up:
I think it's mainly about money. Always remember, good tattoos aren't cheap, and cheap tattoos aren't good.

[thedeadite]

i have a few "****ty" tattoos, I guess. In the way that they aren't perfect, but not in the way that I don't really like them. One of my best friends back in Michigan was starting out as a tattoo artist and needed people to work on. To actually better his craft and build a portfolio. Working on fruit or pig skin isn't the same as on an actual person. So yeah, some of my tats might not be so great, but they all have alot of meaning to me and that's more important (imo). Maybe that answers your question X-Chick....for me atleast.

[X-Chick]

Yeah, but I don't the majority of people would share your explanation. I think a lot of them honestly don't know that the work on their tattoo is shoddy. Or they're just the kind of people who get inked because it was "cool" or whatever. I don't know. I'm just tired of seeing terrible ones.

[Shuley]

I'd get a Final Fantasy logo done,but I don't like tattoos.

[Logan's Runt]

Does anybody know what the average price of an apprenticeship is?

There is no average... its up to the artist taking the apprentice. There's no governing body for tattoo artists, so there's no standard. I've heard everything from several grand to nothing. I'm fairly certain the shops here in town don't tend to charge for apprenticeship. Many shops will let you do b***work around the shop in exchange for learning, others want a tuition, plus free work. You've just got to talk to the artist/s you want to apprentice under. :up: But make sure you get whatever you agree upon written down and signed! I've heard some horror stories of people getting doublecrossed in those kind of deals.

Damn...nobody's posted here in a while. So, I was wondering...what possesses someone to get a ****ty tattoo? Is it because they think it looks awesome or because they don't care or know any better? It really bothers me.

Hm...I'm up to like 4 now...another one soon too...

Btw, Logan, that's ****ing sick. :up:

It seems to me like its one of those things that seems awesome at the time (drunk, young, etc.). Or, if one doesn't do their research on artists, even the best looking design on paper can turn out uber s***ty. Some kickass designs just don't work as tattoos, and some are just really badly done. Or badly taken care of. There are many many ways to get a s***ty tattoo. So to answer your question, its probably one or a combination of all.

Thanks for the comment about mine. :woot: I'm so f***ing happy to have that arm done. I kind of miss the feeling of getting small tattoos- one session and you have a finished product. A year or more of session after session and not being done can be taxing.

I go in on Oct. 23rd to get my other sleeve outlined. :up:

[shapeshifter]

No it's worse than that.......okay...you've worn me down


Now I was drunk, and this looked a lot cooler on the wall, and the colors ere different....oh and this pic is fresh so it looks a little rough....it's almost two years older now.


http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8751/vegas115ub2.jpg


Now it's not a bad Tattoo perse.....but it's sure something I'm not too fond of having on my arm.....but it's helped me win a few 'Bad Tattoo' Contests at parties.
so because you were drunk you ended up with some random muscle man in a banana hammock on your arm.
huh
i think there is a lesson there.
at least you did not get a tramp stamp.

[uchiha_itachi]

There is no average... its up to the artist taking the apprentice. There's no governing body for tattoo artists, so there's no standard. I've heard everything from several grand to nothing. I'm fairly certain the shops here in town don't tend to charge for apprenticeship. Many shops will let you do b***work around the shop in exchange for learning, others want a tuition, plus free work. You've just got to talk to the artist/s you want to apprentice under. :up: But make sure you get whatever you agree upon written down and signed! I've heard some horror stories of people getting doublecrossed in those kind of deals.



It seems to me like its one of those things that seems awesome at the time (drunk, young, etc.). Or, if one doesn't do their research on artists, even the best looking design on paper can turn out uber s***ty. Some kickass designs just don't work as tattoos, and some are just really badly done. Or badly taken care of. There are many many ways to get a s***ty tattoo. So to answer your question, its probably one or a combination of all.

Thanks for the comment about mine. :woot: I'm so f***ing happy to have that arm done. I kind of miss the feeling of getting small tattoos- one session and you have a finished product. A year or more of session after session and not being done can be taxing.

I go in on Oct. 23rd to get my other sleeve outlined. :up:

what you got planned for your other sleeve?

[Logan's Runt]

what you got planned for your other sleeve?


Its a secret. Has to do with my name though. :o

[uchiha_itachi]

its not much of a secret now lol

[Logan's Runt]

its not much of a secret now lol


Shhhhh. :up:

[jaguarr]

Its a secret. Has to do with my name though. :o

You're getting a pictorial of "The Taming Of The Shrew" on your other arm!? :eek:

:oldrazz:

jag

[Sugarculted]

Wouldn't mind a tattoo on me, to be honest. Something small, and no tribal markings. Don't find them unique, or appealing :down

[Logan's Runt]

You're getting a pictorial of "The Taming Of The Shrew" on your other arm!? :eek:

:oldrazz:

jag

Why yes! Classic literature is my passion.

[Logan's Runt]

Wouldn't mind a tattoo on me, to be honest. Something small, and no tribal markings. Don't find them unique, or appealing :down

I enjoy true tribal- the Maori markings and whatnot. The westernized abstract barbed wire butterfly thing, though, no.

[X-Chick]

It seems to me like its one of those things that seems awesome at the time (drunk, young, etc.). Or, if one doesn't do their research on artists, even the best looking design on paper can turn out uber s***ty. Some kickass designs just don't work as tattoos, and some are just really badly done. Or badly taken care of. There are many many ways to get a s***ty tattoo. So to answer your question, its probably one or a combination of all.

Thanks for the comment about mine. :woot: I'm so f***ing happy to have that arm done. I kind of miss the feeling of getting small tattoos- one session and you have a finished product. A year or more of session after session and not being done can be taxing.

I go in on Oct. 23rd to get my other sleeve outlined. :up:

Yeah, that's mostly what I figured. I just don't really get why they think it looks good and don't get it fixed or covered. For example, my best friend got a kitchen scratcher to ink a sun design she'd drawn. I was dumbfounded she'd even do something so stupid...but anyway, she ended up with a tattoo that looks like its been scribbled with a marker. The shading is terrible, the lines are shaky and her kid's name, which is directly under it, is done in like a times new roman font which looks silly and out of place. Basically, it looks awful and I don't think she even knows it.

I know what you mean about multiple sessions, but not to that extent. I've had 2 sessions for one, 3 for the other. And its such a pain in the ass because then you have to wait months for the finished product, you have to walk around with a half finished tattoo and you have to go through the godforsaken itching phase several times. Ugh. It always pays off in the end, but I couldn't imagine getting one that took a year or more to complete.

[uchiha_itachi]

i just want some sort of a pirate tattoo :csad: im gonna get my friend to design it cos i cant draw

[jaguarr]

Why yes! Classic literature is my passion.

After that you can get the illustrated tale of Moby Dick on your back. :up:

Yeah, that's mostly what I figured. I just don't really get why they think it looks good and don't get it fixed or covered. For example, my best friend got a kitchen scratcher to ink a sun design she'd drawn. I was dumbfounded she'd even do something so stupid...but anyway, she ended up with a tattoo that looks like its been scribbled with a marker. The shading is terrible, the lines are shaky and her kid's name, which is directly under it, is done in like a times new roman font which looks silly and out of place. Basically, it looks awful and I don't think she even knows it.

Because there are A LOT of people roaming around with very, very bad taste. There is a reason McDonald's, Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and so many other mediocre things are or have been extremely popular in this country; rampant bad taste.
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jag

[Logan's Runt]

i just want some sort of a pirate tattoo :csad: im gonna get my friend to design it cos i cant draw

Have your tattoo artist design it- its part of their job. Generally they'll be more excited about it and it'll turn out better overall. Don't think you have to walk in with a design, most shops design as a part of the whole experience.

[uchiha_itachi]

Have your tattoo artist design it- its part of their job. Generally they'll be more excited about it and it'll turn out better overall. Don't think you have to walk in with a design, most shops design as a part of the whole experience.

i probly will end up getting them to design it, only reason i want my friend to do a design is cos i have no idea at all what i want it to be really, part from pirate themed lol i'd rather walk in there with a good idea of what i want, than just turn up get them to design somthing and then get it done, only to regret it later.

[Logan's Runt]

i probly will end up getting them to design it, only reason i want my friend to do a design is cos i have no idea at all what i want it to be really, part from pirate themed lol i'd rather walk in there with a good idea of what i want, than just turn up get them to design somthing and then get it done, only to regret it later.

I walked into my shop and said 'I want a pirate cat.' It turned into the sleeve on the last page. My artist had a ball designing everything for the sleeve and letting his creativity roam.

But, I'm an easygoing kind of person, and he's a great artist.

[Erzengel]

http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_332182608/xl

[X-Chick]

Because there are A LOT of people roaming around with very, very bad taste. There is a reason McDonald's, Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and so many other mediocre things are or have been extremely popular in this country; rampant bad taste.


jag[/QUOTE]

That's ridiculously true.



My artist is cool like that, too. I just tell him what I want, he draws it, and its always perfect. And if I have even the tiniest complaint, we work together and on it and make it perfect.

[uchiha_itachi]

I walked into my shop and said 'I want a pirate cat.' It turned into the sleeve on the last page. My artist had a ball designing everything for the sleeve and letting his creativity roam.

But, I'm an easygoing kind of person, and he's a great artist.

you still had more of an idea of what you wanted than i do atm. see with me i dont know if i want a pirate girl, a boat, a treasure chest thing,skulls, or even a type of tattoo a pirate might have lol

i just want a little more of an idea of what i want.

if i could say i want a pirtate .*insert word here*. i'd be fine lol

[Logan's Runt]

jag

That's ridiculously true.



My artist is cool like that, too. I just tell him what I want, he draws it, and its always perfect. And if I have even the tiniest complaint, we work together and on it and make it perfect.[/quote]

Aye, that's how the good tattoos get made. :up:

you still had more of an idea of what you wanted than i do atm. see with me i dont know if i want a pirate girl, a boat, a treasure chest thing,skulls, or even a type of tattoo a pirate might have lol

i just want a little more of an idea of what i want.

That's fine, and good. I've just found its really fun to have a really loose idea and have the artist throw ideas at me. Someone else's ideas always seem more creative and fresh to you than your own. :up:

I feel a bit bad because I'm being a bit more picky about the second sleeve than the first, but I'm just being paranoid. :woot:

[jaguarr]

i just want a little more of an idea of what i want.

if i could say i want a pirtate .*insert word here*. i'd be fine lol


If you don't really know what you want, then it's not your time to get inked, IMHO. It will come to you eventually, but don't try to force it or just get something because you feel a need to have ink without really knowing what you want. You'll regret it eventually (reference Roughneck for an example of that).

jag

[uchiha_itachi]

That's fine, and good. I've just found its really fun to have a really loose idea and have the artist throw ideas at me. Someone else's ideas always seem more creative and fresh to you than your own.

I feel a bit bad because I'm being a bit more picky about the second sleeve than the first, but I'm just being paranoid.

well you do have the right to be picky, it is your arm lol

[uchiha_itachi]

If you don't really know what you want, then it's not your time to get inked, IMHO. It will come to you eventually, but don't try to force it or just get something because you feel a need to have ink without really knowing what you want. You'll regret it eventually (reference Roughneck for an example of that).

jag

yeah im defo taking my time with it. i really want one bad, but i aint gona rush it. but saying that...i would like to get one before im 20 ( im 19 atm).

[Logan's Runt]

well you do have the right to be picky, it is your arm lol

Haha, aye. I just don't like to be annoying, but since I'm more expert on this particular subject than my artist, he's looking to me for guidance. He did have fun thumbing through my comics, though.

yeah im defo taking my time with it. i really want one bad, but i aint gona rush it. but saying that...i would like to get one before im 20 ( im 19 atm).

I got my first for my 20th birthday. :up:

[jaguarr]

yeah im defo taking my time with it. i really want one bad, but i aint gona rush it. but saying that...i would like to get one before im 20 ( im 19 atm).

Take your time. Find the right artist and have the right vision for what you want to have done. When I finally decided what I wanted to have done, I searched for YEARS before I found the right artist to do it. I was 35 when I finally had it done. There's no rush. :up:

jag

[Logan's Runt]

Take your time. Find the right artist and have the right vision for what you want to have done. When I finally decided what I wanted to have done, I searched for YEARS before I found the right artist to do it. I was 35 when I finally had it done. There's no rush. :up:

jag

I think that's just where our personalities are different. Maybe I just haven't had a concept yet that needs precision or that I have a specific vision for. I trust my artist's talent to not give me a bad tattoo and so I feel confident taking my hands off the projects to a certain extent. I like the surprise of seeing what he's come up with for me. But again, that's just more of my personality- I'm impulsive but I also own my choices. :up:

[jaguarr]

I think that's just where our personalities are different. Maybe I just haven't had a concept yet that needs precision or that I have a specific vision for. I trust my artist's talent to not give me a bad tattoo and so I feel confident taking my hands off the projects to a certain extent. I like the surprise of seeing what he's come up with for me. But again, that's just more of my personality- I'm impulsive but I also own my choices. :up:

Yeah, I'm not horribly impulsive these days. I was in my youth, but I'm more careful and concerted about my choices and how I do things now. In my case, I had a very, very specific vision of what I wanted done with my ink. The artist I finally found to do it ultimately improved on it and made it even better, though, and that's the best of both worlds as far as I'm concerned.

jag

[Logan's Runt]

Yeah, I'm not horribly impulsive these days. I was in my youth, but I'm more careful and concerted about my choices and how I do things now. In my case, I had a very, very specific vision of what I wanted done with my ink. The artist I finally found to do it ultimately improved on it and made it even better, though, and that's the best of both worlds as far as I'm concerned.

jag

And it turned out spectacularly. :up:

[jaguarr]

And it turned out spectacularly. :up:

Danke, heir Fraulein!

jag

[Logan's Runt]

Danke, heir Fraulein!

jag

Bitte shoen!

[uchiha_itachi]

Haha, aye. I just don't like to be annoying, but since I'm more expert on this particular subject than my artist, he's looking to me for guidance. He did have fun thumbing through my comics, though.



I got my first for my 20th birthday. :up:

ths cool that hes doing his research. hopefully the comics your showing him are the ones with good art in it, cos some comic artists suck lol

knowing me ill end up getting it when im 20 lol i might actually have to leave the pirate one till ive got a couple tattoos...

i was going to get a hyrogliph.. decsions, decsions lol :woot:

anywho cant wait to see your next tat:up:

[Sandman138]

When I can work up the money, I wanna get this done on my lower back.

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v133/28/44/213500648/n213500648_30527178_6412.jpg

[uchiha_itachi]

tht looks pretty cool

[Sandman138]

My sleeve is finally finished!

Here's the final piece done today:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/ship2.jpg

The whole thing:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/armdonegood4.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/armdonegood3.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/armdonegood2.jpg

Happy joy joy. :up:

I'm meeting with my artist on Saturday to work on plans for the other sleeve. :o

That is beautiful.

[Logan's Runt]

Aaaaaand the second sleeve begins.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo1.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo2.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo3.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo4.jpg

Please excuse my crappy one armed picture taking. The tattoo is neither blurry nor does it have weird glare- its just shiny right now. :up:

[Hotwire]

Aaaaaand the second sleeve begins.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo1.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo2.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo3.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo4.jpg

Please excuse my crappy one armed picture taking. The tattoo is neither blurry nor does it have weird glare- its just shiny right now. :up:
Looks very nice. I wish I had your tattoo budget.

[jaguarr]

Love the new ink, Runt! :up:

jag

[The Evolutionist]

Wow, Runt, that is bad ass, how long did it take?

[Asteroid-Man]

Nice runt! I wouldn't get one put still, it's ill.

[knowsbleed]

i'd hump your arm Runt.

[X-Chick]

I want your artist. He does awesome work. :up:

[uchiha_itachi]

Aaaaaand the second sleeve begins.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo1.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo2.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo3.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo4.jpg

Please excuse my crappy one armed picture taking. The tattoo is neither blurry nor does it have weird glare- its just shiny right now. :up:

that looks awesome. your artist has serious skills :woot:
cant wait to see the finished one

[Logan's Runt]

Thanks everybody. :up: I louuuuurve it, obviously. Too bad its all scabby, or I'd lick it.


Wow, Runt, that is bad ass, how long did it take?

Thankee. It took about three solid hours once we got going. We were doing a lot of chatting and laughing so that might have taken a lil bit of extra time, but he was working pretty much that whole time.

[Fran]

Wow, it sucks :heart:

[Logan's Runt]

Haha. Thanks for the honest opinion, Fran. :heart:

[Pirateking]

I keep meaning to have my leg finished.

[Logan's Runt]

I keep meaning to have my leg finished.

What do you have on your leg?

[MaskedManJRK]

I'm thinking of getting some myself, but I want to do my homework first.

What do I look for with a good artist?
How much, in your expierence, does a good tattoo cost?

[X-Chick]

I'm thinking of getting some myself, but I want to do my homework first.

What do I look for with a good artist?
How much, in your expierence, does a good tattoo cost?

Ask around. Look at other people's tattoos and ask who their artist is if it looks good. that's actually how I found mine. Also, go to different shops and check out portfolios.

About $125/hr, give or take a little.

[Logan's Runt]

Ask around. Look at other people's tattoos and ask who their artist is if it looks good. that's actually how I found mine. Also, go to different shops and check out portfolios.

About $125/hr, give or take a little.

Definitely. I found my artist, too, by asking people with great tattoos who did them. (I was a panel judge at a tattoo convention so that helped a lot- we recorded the artist of every tattoo that came through.) I kept hearing one name on the ones I really liked, so I found out where he worked and went to see him. That tends to take time though.

If you're searching out an artist, definitely go look through portfolios. Any good artist should have an album of their work (only their best work mind you- they have 'worse' things that aren't displayed.) Pay attention to linework (is it steady and smooth or shaky and inconsistent?) That's a great indicator of how good the artist is. Look hard for the 'worst' parts of the tattoos in the portfolios. Inconsistent color, odd looking parts on designs (faces, hands, misshapen circles.)

When you're in a shop, look at the environment. Look for overall cleanliness, health department certificates (usually displayed on the wall), and the way the artist(s) work. There should be plastic over the equipment and working surfaces, rubber gloves on artists, etc. The more professional, the more precautions. You should be able to ask to see their sterilizing equipment (autoclave) and such- they should be willing to display their health practices. If they're jumpy about it, its probably a bad sign.

(There was just a report in my town about a bunch of people getting Hep from one particular shop, so its still a concern.)

Anyway, its all about being comfortable with the person you pick. You don't have to settle for a person who you're uncomfortable with. I did for my first couple tattoos, I was always uncomfortable. The guy I go to now was incredibly friendly right off the bat, and didn't make me feel like a 'newb' just because I didn't have a lot of tattoos. Some artists/shops will treat you like you're not important if you're not already covered in tattoos when you walk in. Reputation is really the currency of the tattoo business, but never trust one person's endorsement of an artist. Trusting your artist makes everything waaaay easier.

My artist charges $150/hr standard, but that's for people walking in off the street. He once said that he prices really by (a) the attitude of the person- are they going to be enjoyable to work on/friendly and (b) how enthused he is to do the design - the more 'fun' he's going to have the less he'll charge for his time. If its going to drag on and he hates it, he'll charge more. I send him a ton of business and give him all my own business, so I get a sizeable discount, to say the least.

Finding an artist that is enthused about the kind of work you want is very beneficial.

That was long, sorry. Hope it was helpful.

[Norman Osborn]

Aaaaaand the second sleeve begins.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo1.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo2.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo3.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/logansrunt/logantattoo4.jpg

Please excuse my crappy one armed picture taking. The tattoo is neither blurry nor does it have weird glare- its just shiny right now. :up:

Nice work.....I just had Gobby done a few months ago...nice to know I'm not the only nut that uses Marvel characters for body art :)

[Logan's Runt]

Nice work.....I just had Gobby done a few months ago...nice to know I'm not the only nut that uses Marvel characters for body art :)

Haha, not at all. :up:

[uchiha_itachi]

so whats next for your sleeve, runt?

[Logan's Runt]

More Wolvie, duh.

[X-Chick]

Anyway, its all about being comfortable with the person you pick. You don't have to settle for a person who you're uncomfortable with. I did for my first couple tattoos, I was always uncomfortable. The guy I go to now was incredibly friendly right off the bat, and didn't make me feel like a 'newb' just because I didn't have a lot of tattoos. Some artists/shops will treat you like you're not important if you're not already covered in tattoos when you walk in. Reputation is really the currency of the tattoo business, but never trust one person's endorsement of an artist. Trusting your artist makes everything waaaay easier.

Yeah, I think that's really important also. My first artist, I loved him to death, we got along easily and he was fun to talk to and joke around with while he was working. I think that having a good relationship with your artist is essential. I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly don't want a jerk marking me forever. It helps things out a lot if you're able to easily communicate with your artist. I've talked to a few who just seemed completely uninterested and if you asked about custom work or changing something, they acted like it was a bother. My artist now gets really excited when I go to him for custom work and it makes everything much smoother and more pleasant.

My artist charges $150/hr standard, but that's for people walking in off the street. He once said that he prices really by (a) the attitude of the person- are they going to be enjoyable to work on/friendly and (b) how enthused he is to do the design - the more 'fun' he's going to have the less he'll charge for his time. If its going to drag on and he hates it, he'll charge more. I send him a ton of business and give him all my own business, so I get a sizeable discount, to say the least.


Yeah, I'd say attitude of the customer does make a difference as well. Every artist at the studio I go to will charge more, sometimes even a lot more, if the guy is really whiny or a prick because then they have to put up with more bull****.

[jaguarr]

Nice posts by Runt and X-Chick on finding an artist. I could not agree more on taking the time to find an artist that you not only really love their work and feel that they could help you achieve your inking goals with, but that you connect with as a human being. Many tribal societies that are heavily into tattooing have long regarded the tattooist as a conduit to the heavens, gods, higher powers or whatever energy in the universe it is that they revere. They are considered to be on the same level of importance as shamans (and are often one in the same, serving both roles). They believe that if you have your tattoo done by someone who you do not connect with or that has a very negative charge, that negativity will become one with the tattoo and thus one with your skin, bringing you infinite loads of bad luck and unhappiness. But, if you have someone that you really connect with that is enlightened and is attuned with the heavens or gods in a positive way, that positive charge will become one with the tattoo and thus one with your skin, bringing you infinite loads of good luck and joy as well as spiritual enlightenment. It's a bit superstitious, yes, but there's something of a romanticized spirituality about that idea that appeals to me.

As for pricing, yes, artists will charge people more for crap they really don't find challenging or appealing. When I was having my first jag inked, this kid came in with this horribly crappy arm-band tattoo idea that he had sketched out. It was like a red, white and blue ribbon with a star on it. I can't even begin to describe how lame, unoriginal and crappy it was even conceptually speaking. He was all excited and asked my artist how much to do it and how soon could he do it. My artist told the kid it'd take about an hour to an hour and a half and would run him $500 (which was far more than what he was charging me for my intricate, detailed piece that took him four hours to do), and that he could do it in a couple hours after he was finished with me. The kid was all excited and made plans to come back and get it done later that day. I just bit my tongue until he left and then said "Damn, that's an expensive armband!". My artist laughed and said something to the effect that not only was it just a lame-ass tattoo in general but it was going to take every ounce of his creativity to figure out how to dress it up a little bit and make it look halfway cool and if he was going to have to work on crap that he hated doing then he was damn sure going to get paid well for it. He figured that anyone who would pay him that much for a tattoo like that doesn't deserve their money and if the price scared someone off then all the better because then he didn't have to do a crappy tattoo that he hated for someone who was cheap and didn't appreciate the art and he'd have more room on his calendar for all the other more inspired customers he has. Tattoo is one of the rare areas in life where people pay a penalty for being mediocre and banal. :up:

jag

[X-Chick]

haha, great post, jag. :up:

Okay, I'm considering this for my arm. Yeah, arm. I know most chicks don't get arm tattoos...it's taboo or manly or whatever. But I decided I'm not going to let the narrow minded trolls in society keep me from getting something I want. That and I have no other place for it. So anyway, I like this, love it even, but it feels like something is missing or that something should be different. Any thoughts? :huh:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/XChick03/shaded.jpg

Oh and scratch the kanji, that won't be apart of the tattoo.

[jaguarr]

How about turning the vine running behind the lotus into a chinese dragon? Strong, yet still feminine. :up: And arm tattoos on women are sexy. Then again, I have a lot of female friends who are fully sleeved, so there ya go.

jag

[Logan's Runt]

haha, great post, jag. :up:

Okay, I'm considering this for my arm. Yeah, arm. I know most chicks don't get arm tattoos...it's taboo or manly or whatever. But I decided I'm not going to let the narrow minded trolls in society keep me from getting something I want. That and I have no other place for it. So anyway, I like this, love it even, but it feels like something is missing or that something should be different. Any thoughts? :huh:

Oh and scratch the kanji, that won't be apart of the tattoo.

Uhoh. :csad:

Edit: Also, Jag- great post, great advice. And Xchick, are you planning on keeping the black and grey of that image or adding color? An artist who's awesome with color could give that a good kick. But, I'm also a sucker for color.

[X-Chick]

How about turning the vine running behind the lotus into a chinese dragon? Strong, yet still feminine. :up: And arm tattoos on women are sexy. Then again, I have a lot of female friends who are fully sleeved, so there ya go.

jag

you know, that was actually my first thought. i think i might do that. :up:

Uhoh. :csad:

Edit: Also, Jag- great post, great advice. And Xchick, are you planning on keeping the black and grey of that image or adding color? An artist who's awesome with color could give that a good kick. But, I'm also a sucker for color.

I have a soft spot for b&g, but i think this one just has to be color.

[Logan's Runt]

you know, that was actually my first thought. i think i might do that. :up:



I have a soft spot for b&g, but i think this one just has to be color.

I think the dragon idea is lovely. And color would be pretty striking, I think.

[The Evolutionist]

So, I'm getting ready to get my next/second/last tattoo at some point in the next couple months. My first one is on my right upper arm, and is full color. My next one would go in the same spot on my left arm, but I was thinking I was going to do it in b+g. I still have to go in to talk to my artist (I have a friend I'm taking to see him about her first ink). Would it look weird to have one color and one b+g tattoo?

[Logan's Runt]

So, I'm getting ready to get my next/second/last tattoo at some point in the next couple months. My first one is on my right upper arm, and is full color. My next one would go in the same spot on my left arm, but I was thinking I was going to do it in b+g. I still have to go in to talk to my artist (I have a friend I'm taking to see him about her first ink). Would it look weird to have one color and one b+g tattoo?

I don't think so. I've seen people with a color sleeve and a b&g sleeve. Lots of people have both kinds of work on their body. :yay:

[keith_v]

There is no average... its up to the artist taking the apprentice. There's no governing body for tattoo artists, so there's no standard. I've heard everything from several grand to nothing. I'm fairly certain the shops here in town don't tend to charge for apprenticeship. Many shops will let you do b***work around the shop in exchange for learning, others want a tuition, plus free work. You've just got to talk to the artist/s you want to apprentice under. :up: But make sure you get whatever you agree upon written down and signed! I've heard some horror stories of people getting doublecrossed in those kind of deals.



Thanks! I just started on a portfolio, so I'm planning to look for work after Christmas, maybe before Christmas, if I get all my school work done early.

[Logan's Runt]

Thanks! I just started on a portfolio, so I'm planning to look for work after Christmas, maybe before Christmas, if I get all my school work done early.

Nice! Let me know how it goes. I've been trying to feel my artist out a bit on apprenticing. :woot:

[uchiha_itachi]

More Wolvie, duh.

lol how naive of me

[Logan's Runt]

lol how naive of me

:woot:

[Heffer Wolf]

I love tattoos. Unfortunatly, A while back I thought it would be a good idea to buy a tattoo gun and try to become an artist. It turns out I am too lazy to become an apprentice, but not lazy enough to not tattoo myself and friends. This is a collection of all my tattoos i have, profesional and self done...

1. Heart with Batwings [right wrist]
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1954.jpg

2. Satelite Record Player [Underside Right Arm]
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1960.jpg

3. Lithium Atom [Below Right Elbow]
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1963.jpg

4. Self Done Bass Cleft [Left wrist]
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1953.jpg

5. Done by my friend's girlfreind: Happy Face [right big toe]
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1964.jpg

6. Rose w/ Skulls [right arm]
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1957.jpg

7. LOVE music [right arm]
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1955.jpg

[Heffer Wolf]

now the worst:

8. Self done Pirate Kitty [left thigh]
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1946.jpg

9. Self Done Star [left wrist]
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1952.jpg* i did this because i f'd up a tattoo on mysister, i free handed this on myself to make her feel better

10. Self Done Anchor [left ankle]
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1945.jpg

11. Friend Did This: I Heart My Life w/ Smiley Face
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1948.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/kevindotcom/tattoos/DSCN1950.jpg
*Booze + owning a tattoo gun= this. 5 of us have this. None of us regret it.

thats all i have for now.

[Mr Jide]

heffer, you're insane.

[Logan's Runt]

*Booze + owning a tattoo gun= this. 5 of us have this. None of us regret it.

thats all i have for now.


Haha, nice. Homemade tattoos are awesomesauce.

[X-Chick]

Haha, nice. Homemade tattoos are awesomesauce.

Unless you get hepatitis. I'm pretty severely against kitchen scratchers, because like 90% don't know or care what they're doing. I've seen and heard some real horror stories. :down

But HW, if you don't regret them, then who cares, right? It's not the best work I've seen, but it's not the worst either, not by a longshot actually. :up:

[Logan's Runt]

Unless you get hepatitis. I'm pretty severely against kitchen scratchers, because like 90% don't know or care what they're doing. I've seen and heard some real horror stories. :down

But HW, if you don't regret them, then who cares, right? It's not the best work I've seen, but it's not the worst either, not by a longshot actually. :up:

I've heard plenty of horror stories too, but I'm not into preaching. He likes them, I'm not going to get them, its all good. They're always entertaining.

:woot:

I tried tattooing myself once, with a safety pin. It didn't work out, but I have a lovely little scar.

[X-Chick]

I've heard plenty of horror stories too, but I'm not into preaching. He likes them, I'm not going to get them, its all good. They're always entertaining.

:woot:

I tried tattooing myself once, with a safety pin. It didn't work out, but I have a lovely little scar.

Well people doing on themselves is a lot different. That's their own choice and their body and that's all cool and stuff.

I just hate the people who charge others a lot of money so they can give them a disgustingly dangerous and poorly done tattoo. :down

[Heffer Wolf]

the thing is, I bought a nice gun off the internet one day because i had money burning a hole in my pocket, and i figured if i can draw [which i can] then i can tattoo. I was way wrong.

My tattoos are dumb, but they are mine so I love them. Me and my friend had a bet of who could think of the dumbest tattoo to get, so thats where the Hello Kitty came in. He got a drunk bat slipping on a banana peel [which i did on him].

anywho, after a long night of drinking, I tatooed a 2 on each of my friends knee caps for his 22nd birthday. The next morning i promptly threw away my tattoo gun.

[X-Chick]

the thing is, I bought a nice gun off the internet one day because i had money burning a hole in my pocket, and i figured if i can draw [which i can] then i can tattoo. I was way wrong.

My tattoos are dumb, but they are mine so I love them. Me and my friend had a bet of who could think of the dumbest tattoo to get, so thats where the Hello Kitty came in. He got a drunk bat slipping on a banana peel [which i did on him].

anywho, after a long night of drinking, I tatooed a 2 on each of my friends knee caps for his 22nd birthday. The next morning i promptly threw away my tattoo gun.

lol. you should have just locked in a safe because when you were hammered you obviously wouldn't remember the combination. :up:

and tattoos are never dumb if you love them :heart:

[Norman Osborn]

I've heard plenty of horror stories too, but I'm not into preaching. He likes them, I'm not going to get them, its all good. They're always entertaining.

:woot:

I tried tattooing myself once, with a safety pin. It didn't work out, but I have a lovely little scar.

I tattooed (sp?) myself at the tender age of 12.....I'm 41 now and still grounded :(

[Logan's Runt]

Well people doing on themselves is a lot different. That's their own choice and their body and that's all cool and stuff.

I just hate the people who charge others a lot of money so they can give them a disgustingly dangerous and poorly done tattoo. :down

Like Chris Crinkle!

Worst tattoo artist eeeeeevar!
http://www.bigdogzink.com/chris.html

This guy fancies himself a professional tattoo artist. :csad:

http://www.bigdogzink.com/images/10-5-06_009.jpg

[Heffer Wolf]

why is that leperchaun a chupa cabra?

[X-Chick]

why isn't there a single smooth line? does he have parkinson's disease? :csad:

[jaguarr]

WTF? :huh:

jag

[Logan's Runt]

why isn't there a single smooth line? does he have parkinson's disease? :csad:

WTF? :huh:

jag

Go look at his other stuff. Its horribly terrible, all of it. Sometimes its hilarious and most of the time its sad. I showed it to my tattoo artist and he wanted a tshirt from their shop. :woot:

[X-Chick]

Yeah, he really sucks.


So out of curiosity, do you guys think women with tattoos are more attractive because of the ink?

[The Evolutionist]

http://www.bigdogzink.com/images/c008.jpg

Why did he do that to Jesus? :(

[MaskedManJRK]

X-Chick, LogansRunt, and Jag, thanks for the advice. Didn't expect it to be that much--expected a pretty penny, but hey, if I shop around, it should be worth it. :woot:

One more question: Another thing that's stopping me from getting one now (besides the ole' dinero) is that I also want to get in better shape--making the canvas better, if you will. Would losing weight and/or gaining muscle affect the tattoo in any way?

[The Evolutionist]

One more question: Another thing that's stopping me from getting one now (besides the ole' dinero) is that I also want to get in better shape--making the canvas better, if you will. Would losing weight and/or gaining muscle affect the tattoo in any way?

In short, Yes. If you're looking to lose a significant amount of weight, it cold definitely warp the tattoo as the skin moves around. If you can, find someone who got a tattoo 20 years ago and has gained weight over the years, and you'll probably be able to see the warping.

[MaskedManJRK]

In short, Yes. If you're looking to lose a significant amount of weight, it cold definitely warp the tattoo as the skin moves around. If you can, find someone who got a tattoo 20 years ago and has gained weight over the years, and you'll probably be able to see the warping.

Not sure how SIGNICANT it'll be, but I'll hold back on it, just in case--not to mention it'll give me more reason to work out. :woot:

[jaguarr]

Meh. Unless we're talking about an EXTREME amount of weight, the warping of the ink should be minimal. If you're just speaking in terms of just getting toned up and maybe losing some belly fat, it's not going to change how your tattoo looks if you do so after you get inked, really. If you currently weigh 550 pounds, get inked, and then shrink down to 170, yeah....it might warp it a little bit. Skin is pretty elastic and tends to grow or shrink proportionately, so the amount of warping you'll see is minimal if at all in most instances, though.

jag

[Logan's Runt]

Meh. Unless we're talking about an EXTREME amount of weight, the warping of the ink should be minimal. If you're just speaking in terms of just getting toned up and maybe losing some belly fat, it's not going to change how your tattoo looks if you do so after you get inked, really. If you currently weigh 550 pounds, get inked, and then shrink down to 170, yeah....it might warp it a little bit. Skin is pretty elastic and tends to grow or shrink proportionately, so the amount of warping you'll see is minimal if at all in most instances, though.

jag

Yep. Really the only time I've heard discussion about distortion has been in the cases of pregnant women. Being pregnant has been known to warp tattoos and leave them permanently wonky- but there are things that can be done to take care of the skin through the process to help ensure that it stretches/shrinks well. I'm sure the same steps could help with weight loss, etc. Taking really good care of the skin- lots of cocoa butter lotion and things with healthy skin vitamins did the trick for one of the SGs who went through a pregnancy with a LOT of stomach work already existing. They snapped back to perfect form. Weight loss shouldn't warp it too much, other than shrink it a bit, I would think.

[LexCorp]

Hi,

Although I have no tats my sister did get the wings symbol from the TV show Angel on her lower back. It looks very cool.

Imagine the wings below in black without the word on it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e2/Angellogo.JPG

[Logan's Runt]

Ass antlers. :o

[jaguarr]

Ass antlers. :o

LOL! a.k.a. "The Tramp Stamp". It's a cool design, Lex, but...there's a stigma attached to that type of tattoo and placement.

jag

[LexCorp]

LOL! a.k.a. "The Tramp Stamp". It's a cool design, Lex, but...there's a stigma attached to that type of tattoo and placement.

jag

Oh...really what kind?

[Logan's Runt]

Oh...really what kind?

Beginning in the late 1990s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s) the lower back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_back) tattoo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo) became popular especially among young women. Lower back tattoos are often oblong in shape, following the slope of the back on either side of the woman's spine. The lower back tattoo is body decoration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_decoration) with the intent of emphasizing sexual attractiveness. Generally, a lower back tattoo will be designed to emphasize the shape and curvature of the female figure.
While such tattoos have become increasingly popular and accepted in recent years in many parts of the world especially the west, they remain an object of derision in some quarters. Detractors consider such tattoos in this location as suggestive of promiscuity and an indication of Raunch Culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raunch_Culture)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_back_tattoo#_note-0), hence the nickname tramp stamp. Another common pejorative nickname for these tattoos is 'arse antlers'.



Wiki. :up:

[LexCorp]

Fair enough I guess. Same could be said of any tat used purely for attetion right?

She also has a rose bud on her left shoulder.

[Logan's Runt]

Fair enough I guess. Same could be said of any tat used purely for attetion right?

She also has a rose bud on her left shoulder.

There are many tattoos with stigmas within the tattoo community. Tribal, taz, barbed wire armbands, etc. But the tramp stamp has the above reputation. :up:

[LexCorp]

There are many tattoos with stigmas within the tattoo community. Tribal, taz, barbed wire armbands, etc. But the tramp stamp has the above reputation. :up:

Wow I had no idea it went so indepth....I just view all tats the same in terms of where they are placed. I only judge the actual picture of the tat. I will keep this in mind though.

[Logan's Runt]

Wow I had no idea it went so indepth....I just view all tats the same in terms of where they are placed. I only judge the actual picture of the tat. I will keep this in mind though.

It pays to know a bit about tattoo culture in addition to how greater society views different tattoos/designs/placements before actually getting one. Not that you should base what tattoo you get on what's 'popular,' but you don't want to be blindsided by 'everyone thinks your tattoo is cliche and stupid' after you've gotten it. Always good to be prepared.

[jaguarr]

All cultures and subcultures have their own little customs, cliques, idiosyncrasies, tribes and stigmas that come with that. The tattoo subculture is no different.

jag

[jaguarr]

That Taz tattoo wrapped in barbed-wire on your lower back is SO lame, Lex. :down

jag

[LexCorp]

It pays to know a bit about tattoo culture in addition to how greater society views different tattoos/designs/placements before actually getting one. Not that you should base what tattoo you get on what's 'popular,' but you don't want to be blindsided by 'everyone thinks your tattoo is cliche and stupid' after you've gotten it. Always good to be prepared.

Yes that does make sense. How do you pick yours?

[Heffer Wolf]

So out of curiosity, do you guys think women with tattoos are more attractive because of the ink?

Actualy, I do. I love chicks with tattoos. I'm not talking tramp stamp hidden small tattooes, I'm talking Kat Von D tattooed.

[jaguarr]

Yeah, he really sucks.


So out of curiosity, do you guys think women with tattoos are more attractive because of the ink?

I personally like tattoos on some women quite a bit. It's like anything else, though; it depends on the woman. Some women carry it well and it really adds to their beauty and mystique. With others it just makes them look sleazy or low-class or enhances their natural ugly. Really depends on the woman so there's no across-the-board answer to your question.

jag

[X-Chick]

I personally like tattoos on some women quite a bit. It's like anything else, though; it depends on the woman. Some women carry it well and it really adds to their beauty and mystique. With others it just makes them look sleazy or low-class or enhances their natural ugly. Really depends on the woman so there's no across-the-board answer to your question.

jag

Right, that's pretty much how I feel also. I think it depends on the ink also. An attractive woman with an attractive tattoo is usually pretty hot, but even then, some women just can't pull off the look.

[LexCorp]

Right, that's pretty much how I feel also. I think it depends on the ink also. An attractive woman with an attractive tattoo is usually pretty hot, but even then, some women just can't pull off the look.

I agree with that. My sisters tat, although I have been told is a bit trashy, I think looks cool.

[X-Chick]

I agree with that. My sisters tat, although I have been told is a bit trashy, I think looks cool.

Trashy just because of where it is? That's so lame. A couple stupid movies and now everyone thinks lower back tats are "tramp stamps." :whatever:

[LexCorp]

Trashy just because of where it is? That's so lame. A couple stupid movies and now everyone thinks lower back tats are "tramp stamps." :whatever:

That's what I have been informed of.....I think she looks OK.

[X-Chick]

That's what I have been informed of.....I think she looks OK.

I bet it looks great. People are just stupid.

[LexCorp]

I bet it looks great. People are just stupid.

Well I do not want to anger anyone but I did find it a bit odd. How can anyone call any tatoo specificly bad over another due to placement.

[jaguarr]

The "tramp stamp" stigma is a silly one, I agree. People like to make blanket statements and think in terms of absolute black and whites, though. It's sad, but it's reality. It doesn't help that practically every porn star and stripper on the planet has one of those tattoos, though. :o

jag

[X-Chick]

Because they are the same kind of people who think tattoos are trashy and anyone who has them is poor, trashy, and either a freak or gangbanger, depending on race. :down

The lower back is a great choice for women because most are tailored to a woman's curves in that area. It gives you a nice space to work with that's easy to hide and it's sexy.

[LexCorp]

From a practical stand point if it is on your back you can hide very well.

Plus porn stars are porn stars....having a tat in a certain place can't make you any more of good or bad person right?

[Heffer Wolf]

Yeah, but the lower back on a lady is so over done. Its like the butterfly on the ankle. Every girl has one. Its like tribal tattoos, so dumb.

To me, Its like why get a tat where every other person has one, when you can get a full sleeve and look hot as hell. thats just my opinion though.

[MaskedManJRK]

Meh. Unless we're talking about an EXTREME amount of weight, the warping of the ink should be minimal. If you're just speaking in terms of just getting toned up and maybe losing some belly fat, it's not going to change how your tattoo looks if you do so after you get inked, really. If you currently weigh 550 pounds, get inked, and then shrink down to 170, yeah....it might warp it a little bit. Skin is pretty elastic and tends to grow or shrink proportionately, so the amount of warping you'll see is minimal if at all in most instances, though.

jag

Coolio--just wanted to make sure. It's nothing extreme--like you said, toning and losing the gut.

[X-Chick]

Yeah, but the lower back on a lady is so over done. Its like the butterfly on the ankle. Every girl has one. Its like tribal tattoos, so dumb.

To me, Its like why get a tat where every other person has one, when you can get a full sleeve and look hot as hell. thats just my opinion though.

Every man who has tattoos on his arm, how is that not overdone? It is, even moreso than lower back tats. But they are still acceptable. You're just being a genderist :down

Tribals aren't dumb if they are done properly. They are made to accept the natural curves of the body and enhance what's already there. Basically, tribals are for looks alone unless you are actually Polynesian or Samoan.

[Heffer Wolf]

Every man who has tattoos on his arm, how is that not overdone? It is, even moreso than lower back tats. But they are still acceptable. You're just being a genderist :down

Tribals aren't dumb if they are done properly. They are made to accept the natural curves of the body and enhance what's already there. Basically, tribals are for looks alone unless you are actually Polynesian or Samoan.

Touché.

Well then i guess for no raisin at all I hate most lower back tattoos and All tribal. That is my opinion and i am sticking with it.

[Logan's Runt]

I'm just a firm believer that you should only get a tattoo once you've (among other things) thought hard about the social aspects of it- both of getting a tattoo at all and of the specific design. You don't have to accept society's opinion but you'd be ignorant to get a tattoo without doing your research and then being surprised when someone throws the phrase 'tramp stamp' or 'Russian prison tattoo' at you. If you make a decision, own it, but know what you're getting into.

[X-Chick]

Touché.

Well then i guess for no raisin at all I hate most lower back tattoos and All tribal. That is my opinion and i am sticking with it.

That's all fine and good and honestly, I hate tribals once upon a time too. At least I did until I saw good tribal work. That made all the difference.

I'm just a firm believer that you should only get a tattoo once you've (among other things) thought hard about the social aspects of it- both of getting a tattoo at all and of the specific design. You don't have to accept society's opinion but you'd be ignorant to get a tattoo without doing your research and then being surprised when someone throws the phrase 'tramp stamp' or 'Russian prison tattoo' at you. If you make a decision, own it, but know what you're getting into.

Very well said. :up:

[LexCorp]

I'm just a firm believer that you should only get a tattoo once you've (among other things) thought hard about the social aspects of it- both of getting a tattoo at all and of the specific design. You don't have to accept society's opinion but you'd be ignorant to get a tattoo without doing your research and then being surprised when someone throws the phrase 'tramp stamp' or 'Russian prison tattoo' at you. If you make a decision, own it, but know what you're getting into.

But which society are we talking about here? The tatoo world seems to think certain tats are taboo and cheap....and they have said their reason for thinking so. But I am sure other parts of society thinks differently. To me all tats are equal. From sleeves to backs to foreheads etc...

It seems so odd to say one is better that an other based on a social tatoo network. Why go with what everyone says, why not say I hate or like it due to my own opionion. It still seems weird why some tats are treated with less respect than others.

Yeah this could almost be a comment about race...just remove the word tat with mexican or black etc...

Why are certain things thought of as bad in the tat world? Can't all the tats just get along? :)

[uchiha_itachi]

i think it might be cos some have become a tred sort of. like a tribal patern tattoo ( though some and i mean very little look good ) but alot of people have those. and getting a tattoo is about expressing your idivduality, so if you go with a common idea then it defeats the object really.

basically its supposed to be you comming up with the idea for one, not just seeing one and going oh i'll get that cos it looks good on him.

its about just about you.:D

[LexCorp]

i think it might be cos some have become a tred sort of. like a tribal patern tattoo ( though some and i mean very little look good ) but alot of people have those. and getting a tattoo is about expressing your idivduality, so if you go with a common idea then it defeats the object really.

basically its supposed to be you comming up with the idea for one, not just seeing one and going oh i'll get that cos it looks good on him.

its about just about you.:D

But all tatoo are are just a trend??? How can a tatoo be that unique anyway? So many people have them in all shapes and sizes and places? So how can they be that unique. Even if the person put loads of thought into it they are still following the tatoo trend right.

Common idea? Nah I know more people with are sleeves than back tats....so doea that make the are sleeve people less unique than the back tat person? It's silly to think any tat can give you a unique brand...

[uchiha_itachi]

not all tattoos are a trend. sure there cool but some are more over used than others, like tribal tatts or those lil bird sparrow things ( i really hate them lol )
those i would say are a trend, more than some1 putting thought into it and making it about them selves and not whats "in" atm.

[LexCorp]

not all tattoos are a trend. sure there cool but some are more over used than others, like tribal tatts or those lil bird sparrow things ( i really hate them lol )
those i would say are a trend, more than some1 putting thought into it and making it about them selves and not whats "in" atm.

Thing is I just see all tats as a bit of art. Some are better than others. But to say that some should be looked at as crap as a rule just becsue that is the way of the tat world still seems silly.

[uchiha_itachi]

your right it is art. but some have been so over used they have become tacky, ands thats why some tats are looked in that way.

[LexCorp]

your right it is art. but some have been so over used they have become tacky, ands thats why some tats are looked in that way.

But who is to say which ones have been overdone?

All tats have been done to death now right? Sleeves, faces, *****, breasts....it's all been done before by someone else so how can you pick which ones are tacky.....personal taste yes...odd tatoo society rules...well maybe but the later still seems odd. :yay:

[Logan's Runt]

Thing is I just see all tats as a bit of art. Some are better than others. But to say that some should be looked at as crap as a rule just becsue that is the way of the tat world still seems silly.

It does seem silly, but like all parts of society and subcultures, some things become something to be made fun of. Like Uchiha said, the tattoo designs that become 'trendy' become looked down upon because its assumed that they have little to no meaning to the wearer.

(Whether or not tattoos "should" have meaning or not is another debate- some of mine have no specific meaning and I still think they're valid.)

Getting a tattoo just to be 'cool' (which it is assumed that is why 'tribal' 'ankle butterfly' people get them) is one reason that tattoo veterans get uppity, because to many in the tattoo community, the act of tattooing/getting tattooed becomes very personal and meaningful-to some sacred, even. To see people who don't really know much about the subculture and act flounce in and want something pretty they saw on someone else/a billboard/etc becomes a sore point because it can feel like they're trivializing something very important to a lot of people.

[LexCorp]

It does seem silly, but like all parts of society and subcultures, some things become something to be made fun of. Like Uchiha said, the tattoo designs that become 'trendy' become looked down upon because its assumed that they have little to no meaning to the wearer.

(Whether or not tattoos "should" have meaning or not is another debate- some of mine have no specific meaning and I still think they're valid.)

Getting a tattoo just to be 'cool' (which it is assumed that is why 'tribal' 'ankle butterfly' people get them) is one reason that tattoo veterans get uppity, because to many in the tattoo community, the act of tattooing/getting tattooed becomes very personal and meaningful-to some sacred, even. To see people who don't really know much about the subculture and act flounce in and want something pretty they saw on someone else/a billboard/etc becomes a sore point because it can feel like they're trivializing something very important to a lot of people.

So I guess it just comes down to the idividual then. There body so they can do what they want. As long as they are happy. Who are we to judge each other. :)

[Logan's Runt]

But who is to say which ones have been overdone?

All tats have been done to death now right? Sleeves, faces, *****, breasts....it's all been done before by someone else so how can you pick which ones are tacky.....personal taste yes...odd tatoo society rules...well maybe but the later still seems odd. :yay:

Tattoos been done to death? Not a chance. We're not talking about 'placement' we're talking about specific designs. There are tons of 'lower back tattoos' that don't qualify as 'tramp stamps.' And tons of respectable ladies have ones that look like 'tramp stamps.' Its just an expression of the bitterness tattoo people can hold toward newbies combined with greater society's slow move into acceptance of tattoos.

Having a 'sleeve' in no way marks you as the 'same' as someone else with a sleeve. The imagery of a tattoo sets it apart and makes it unique. Picking a design off the wall in the tattoo shop is pretty much a way of the past. So, no, it hasn't all been done before.

[uchiha_itachi]

But who is to say which ones have been overdone?

All tats have been done to death now right? Sleeves, faces, *****, breasts....it's all been done before by someone else so how can you pick which ones are tacky.....personal taste yes...odd tatoo society rules...well maybe but the later still seems odd. :yay:

all sleeves arn't the same though. alot of differnent designs go into a sleeve. and with all the types you mentioned the design and context of them would all be different.

[uchiha_itachi]

So I guess it just comes down to the idividual then. There body so they can do what they want. As long as they are happy. Who are we to judge each other. :)

although that is true, judging people is the way of the world :D

[LexCorp]

Tattoos been done to death? Not a chance. We're not talking about 'placement' we're talking about specific designs. There are tons of 'lower back tattoos' that don't qualify as 'tramp stamps.' And tons of respectable ladies have ones that look like 'tramp stamps.' Its just an expression of the bitterness tattoo people can hold toward newbies combined with greater society's slow move into acceptance of tattoos.

Having a 'sleeve' in no way marks you as the 'same' as someone else with a sleeve. The imagery of a tattoo sets it apart and makes it unique. Picking a design off the wall in the tattoo shop is pretty much a way of the past. So, no, it hasn't all been done before.

Fair enough for the design/image of the tatoo.

[LexCorp]

although that is true, judging people is the way of the world :D

I know....I just do not like the judging :)

[Logan's Runt]

So I guess it just comes down to the idividual then. There body so they can do what they want. As long as they are happy. Who are we to judge each other. :)

Its just like any other aspect of society. No matter what you wear, someone will think its stupid. Just like no matter what tattoo you get, someone will think its ridiculous and make assumptions about you based on it.

The only thing I'm saying through all this is if you're going to join a society/subculture (and by getting a tattoo you associate yourself with the tattoo culture) you should probably know a bit about it and/or be prepared for the implications of your actions.

[uchiha_itachi]

I know....I just do not like the judging :)

even though i guarentee you do it to lol

[LexCorp]

Its just like any other aspect of society. No matter what you wear, someone will think its stupid. Just like no matter what tattoo you get, someone will think its ridiculous and make assumptions about you based on it.

The only thing I'm saying through all this is if you're going to join a society/subculture (and by getting a tattoo you associate yourself with the tattoo culture) you should probably know a bit about it and/or be prepared for the implications of your actions.

Indeed I read what you are saying and understand. LIke you would not wear a nazi uniform in jew shop in new york lol

[Logan's Runt]

your right it is art. but some have been so over used they have become tacky, ands thats why some tats are looked in that way.

Exactly. Its the same in the 'Art world.' Things that have been done before imagewise are ignored or made fun of. 'Trends' in the art world get old quickly and the 'popular' artists are the ones who do something new and different.

[Logan's Runt]

Indeed I read what you are saying and understand. LIke you would not wear a nazi uniform in jew shop in new york lol

Jew shop?? Hah, Lex, I'd like to pat you on the head.

[LexCorp]

Jew shop?? Hah, Lex, I'd like to pat you on the head.

lol

Fine whatever Jews do in New York....sell diamonds or have a deli... :oldrazz:

;)

[X-Chick]

But which society are we talking about here? The tatoo world seems to think certain tats are taboo and cheap....and they have said their reason for thinking so. But I am sure other parts of society thinks differently. To me all tats are equal. From sleeves to backs to foreheads etc...

It seems so odd to say one is better that an other based on a social tatoo network. Why go with what everyone says, why not say I hate or like it due to my own opionion. It still seems weird why some tats are treated with less respect than others.

Yeah this could almost be a comment about race...just remove the word tat with mexican or black etc...

Why are certain things thought of as bad in the tat world? Can't all the tats just get along? :)

I know I'm like a page late on this, but it's actually someone me and the guys at my tattoo studio have discussed.

With society in general, some tattoos are looked down upon simply because of what they are. For example, naked women and swastikas will be viewed a lot more negatively than a girl who has a small rose. Another reason society may look down upon a tattoo is size and location, a man with one small tattoo on his arm is a lot different than a full sleeve in the eyes of most. Forehead tattoos are viewed negatively by almost everyone (tattoo artists and enthusiasts included) because of the location.

From the perspective of people with tattoos and those who create them, some tattoos have a beautiful artistic quality and provide at least some sort of meaning to the person who gets it. Others are gotten on a drunken whim because it was "cool." Some believe that if more people had quality tattoos, society would begin to view them more as a art than as a taboo. But who's to say if that's true or not? That is just the opinion of a few artists I know. They say they hate when they see a kitchen scratcher or someone completely untalented do a tattoo on someone because it demeans the work they do. You see about 10x more poorly done tattoos than good ones, so most people who aren't into tattoos don't even realize that they can be beautiful and exceptional.