The Extended Edition

[AssMan]

So now that the Extended Edition can be seen by other means if you have seen it talk about it here :cwink:

[Ghost Ridin']

ign has a review for the extended cut here.
Who ever reviewed it seemed overly harsh.

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/792/792114p1.html

:ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost:

[Retroman]

So now that the Extended Edition can be seen by other means if you have seen it talk about it here :cwink:
What means?:huh: The set is released on June 12.
ign has a review for the extended cut here.
Who ever reviewed it seemed overly harsh.

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/792/792114p1.html
Indeed...but i'm used to that now with GR.What would be nice is if the reviewer would detail the new added footage and how it affects the movie.

Thanks for the link btw.:yay:

[The Ones]

I'll be getting it in a few hours. Should have a review online sometime today.

Oh, and thanks for the heads up Assdude.

[Retroman]

I'll be getting it in a few hours. Should have a review online sometime today.
:confused: :confused:

[Midnyte_Sun]

Wait wait, how are u guys getting this early now?

BTW, I found IGN's review of the DVD pretty fair. it does mention that the 6 or 7 minutes of extra footage doesnt really add anything new or anything critical to the movie.

Its all about the extra featurs, I am really eager to watch the documentary on the Spirit of Vengeance and the history of Ghost Rider from comic to film.

[AssMan]

I have not watched it in full yet & I will this week. But I flicked through it & I came across this newly added scene. This takes place right after Johnny does the helicopter stunt & it takes place right before he goes after Roxanne. Now we kow what happened to the helmet

Edit - If the gif is not working blame the hosting site I will make it again later tonight

http://www.picturezero.com/out.php/i335_Untitled.gif

[Retroman]

^^Cool and thanks for answering the question.:dry:

[AssMan]

^^Cool and thanks for answering the question.:dry:

Dude it should be a little obvious with how people are getting this early. You have been here a long time Retro you should not even be second guessing

[Midnyte_Sun]

I must have missed something, where are people getting this DVD early???

[The Ones]

I got it and i skimmed through the first part. So far im finding it better than the theratrical, but disappointing aswell (for e.g: The transformation is not extended and the bar scene is still cut down, when we know theres more stuff shot for it). But i have to say, the alternate Mephisto confronting Blackheart (outside the bar on his own, instead of in the streets with the hidden) was so much better and gave these characters more depth. You clearly see Blackheart is a bit scared of the rider but is still angry ("the power of Hell fire wasted on a pathetic human, when you should've given it to me"). Also the added scenes between Johnny and his Dad gave his character much more depth.

I have yet to watch it in full, but thats my (p)review so far.

[Midnyte_Sun]

Again...where the hell is everybody getting the DVD?

[Vartha]

YEAH inquiring minds would like to know.:woot:

[Mr. Socko]

WTF how are you getting it this early?

[The Ones]

Just finished watching it. Here is my review:

Theratrical Cut: 6/10

Extended Cut: 8/10

The extended cut in my opinion is a better movie. There may not be much stuff added, but what is added removes most of the "wtf" feeling you got from watching the Theratrical. For instance, the cops have more evidence against Blaze and there is a reason why Wallow "pops out of nowhere" when Blaze is heading to San Venganza , but no solid reason to why Slade leaves at random.

Im calling this a slight disappointment as footage that we know of being shot, like the longer convo between GR and BH after the Rider's transformation and a longer bar scene (as previously mentioned). So im bracing myself for a 3rd "Directors Super Cut" sometime in the future.

Another thing i noticed in this version were the slight changes of the sound effects used. Sometimes they are improvements, like when Johnny is transforming, when his feet start burning there is a creepy scream emitting from the rider underling Blaze's scream and Blackhearts voice and the hiddens laugh are more creepy. Other times they are for the worse, as Blackhearts scream in the church seems to be changed and lowered, which doesnt give the same impact.

The last 10-15 min is pretty much the same and nothing is added, making the final battle still mediocore, and the real drag down in this version too.

Overall it is a better movie, giving the characters more depth and meaning and emotion, but still fails where the last one did (screwed up ending).

[Killing Joke926]

Just finished watching it. Here is my review:

Theratrical Cut: 6/10

Extended Cut: 8/10

The extended cut in my opinion is a better movie. There may not be much stuff added, but what is added removes most of the "wtf" feeling you got from watching the Theratrical. For instance, the cops have more evidence against Blaze and there is a reason why Wallow "pops out of nowhere" when Blaze is heading to San Venganza , but no solid reason to why Slade leaves at random.

Im calling this a slight disappointment as footage that we know of being shot, like the longer convo between GR and BH after the Rider's transformation and a longer bar scene (as previously mentioned). So im bracing myself for a 3rd "Directors Super Cut" sometime in the future.

Another thing i noticed in this version were the slight changes of the sound effects used. Sometimes they are improvements, like when Johnny is transforming, when his feet start burning there is a creepy scream emitting from the rider underling Blaze's scream and Blackhearts voice and the hiddens laugh are more creepy. Other times they are for the worse, as Blackhearts scream in the church seems to be changed and lowered, which doesnt give the same impact.

The last 10-15 min is pretty much the same and nothing is added, making the final battle still mediocore, and the real drag down in this version too.

Overall it is a better movie, giving the characters more depth and meaning and emotion, but still fails where the last one did (screwed up ending).

Well if the story flows better in the movie, I' m satisfied. Curiosity, was the arguement between Johnny and Roxane at his place longer in the movie? Felt that was cut when she just ended up driving away. And did they give more of an origin for Caretaker?

[Tempest19]

Just finished watching it. Here is my review:

Theratrical Cut: 6/10

Extended Cut: 8/10

The extended cut in my opinion is a better movie. There may not be much stuff added, but what is added removes most of the "wtf" feeling you got from watching the Theratrical. For instance, the cops have more evidence against Blaze and there is a reason why Wallow "pops out of nowhere" when Blaze is heading to San Venganza , but no solid reason to why Slade leaves at random.

Im calling this a slight disappointment as footage that we know of being shot, like the longer convo between GR and BH after the Rider's transformation and a longer bar scene (as previously mentioned). So im bracing myself for a 3rd "Directors Super Cut" sometime in the future.

Another thing i noticed in this version were the slight changes of the sound effects used. Sometimes they are improvements, like when Johnny is transforming, when his feet start burning there is a creepy scream emitting from the rider underling Blaze's scream and Blackhearts voice and the hiddens laugh are more creepy. Other times they are for the worse, as Blackhearts scream in the church seems to be changed and lowered, which doesnt give the same impact.

The last 10-15 min is pretty much the same and nothing is added, making the final battle still mediocore, and the real drag down in this version too.

Overall it is a better movie, giving the characters more depth and meaning and emotion, but still fails where the last one did (screwed up ending).

Thanks for the info dude. Sounds better just the way you described it. 6-8. That sounds good, not DD-DD: DC good. But, still....

And please guys- HOW ARE YOU GETTING IT ALREADY?!!!

I don't think it can be Walmart like it was for SM2.1 (because they'd have FF1.5 already as well).

I do agree that the reviewer is being way too harsh, though. It's a pretty good movie- not the best- but, it's pretty good.

[Retroman]

Dude it should be a little obvious with how people are getting this early. You have been here a long time Retro you should not even be second guessing
Oh-okay, now i get it.I'm not always the quickest thinker you know.:o

So...if don't mind me asking - if you are watching it by this means will you be purchasing the dvd or not?
I must have missed something, where are people getting this DVD early???YEAH inquiring minds would like to know.:woot:WTF how are you getting it this early?
It's not the dvd and but it does start with a d and end with a d.

Just finished watching it. Here is my review:

Theratrical Cut: 6/10

Extended Cut: 8/10

The extended cut in my opinion is a better movie. There may not be much stuff added, but what is added removes most of the "wtf" feeling you got from watching the Theratrical. For instance, the cops have more evidence against Blaze and there is a reason why Wallow "pops out of nowhere" when Blaze is heading to San Venganza , but no solid reason to why Slade leaves at random.


Another thing i noticed in this version were the slight changes of the sound effects used. Sometimes they are improvements, like when Johnny is transforming, when his feet start burning there is a creepy scream emitting from the rider underling Blaze's scream and Blackhearts voice and the hiddens laugh are more creepy. Other times they are for the worse, as Blackhearts scream in the church seems to be changed and lowered, which doesnt give the same impact.

The last 10-15 min is pretty much the same and nothing is added, making the final battle still mediocore, and the real drag down in this version too.

Overall it is a better movie, giving the characters more depth and meaning and emotion, but still fails where the last one did (screwed up ending).
Hmm...i figured extra footage would do it good.
Im calling this a slight disappointment as footage that we know of being shot, like the longer convo between GR and BH after the Rider's transformation and a longer bar scene (as previously mentioned). So im bracing myself for a 3rd "Directors Super Cut" sometime in the future.).
If they release yet another extra deluxe dvd cut who's going to buy that? :huh:

[Mr Nick]

The transformation is not extended

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Not happy about that. Not happy at all.

:mad:

[The Ones]

Well if the story flows better in the movie, I' m satisfied. Curiosity, was the arguement between Johnny and Roxane at his place longer in the movie? Felt that was cut when she just ended up driving away. And did they give more of an origin for Caretaker?

Im not sure, but i think there were more shots to make the scene betwen Johnny and Roxanne more awkward, but definetly no added dialogue or anything between that scene and her driving away

And no, they didnt give more of an origin for Caretaker

[AssMan]

if you are watching it by this means will you be purchasing the dvd or not?

I am 50 / 50 on it now. Like The Ones said there is obviously more footage left out. So somehweer down the lines its obvious that Sony will do another DVD release. So I may hold out. In my opinion this cut was no where as good as Spider-Man 2.1 & that had even LESS new footage then this one & I have no doubt that Sony will do another double dip.

[Midnyte_Sun]

How do you know they have more footage they haven't put in?

Isnt that just wishful thinking?

[The Ones]

Because of the b-roll footage at IESB shows more scenes being shot

[Tempest19]

Is there a confrontation between Blackheart and Caretaker?

[The Ones]

Yes. It takes place at the graveyard where Blackheart beats up Caretaker for the contract.

[Midnyte_Sun]

You guys still have not said how you guys got the DVD so early!

[The Ones]

You guys still have not said how you guys got the DVD so early!

I dont mean to be mean or a jackass but i've got to be honest. If you have not figured out our method by now, then you dont deserve to know.

Also, Here are some clips for ya'll to see:

Alternate Mephisto/Blackheart confrontation: http://media.putfile.com/ridescene1

Caretaker vs Blackheart: http://media.putfile.com/riderscene2

Cops get Forensics back: http://media.putfile.com/riderscene3

[webhead731]

Hey I gotta question:

One thing I was dissapointed about with the original was that the picture wasn't dark enough. It wasn't all pale and gritty. The Daredevil's Director's Cut was.
So is this version of Ghost Rider darker looking? Does it have a change in the picture? The IGN pics look like it but that may be fan boy hope.

Thanks for any answers.

[The Ones]

There are some area's where it seemed darker, but the light tone is kept through the majority of the film

[webhead731]

Damn.

Oh well, better than nothing.

[Eelectro 2]

so where exactly would that blackheart caretaker scene take place? anybody have a clue? i'm really wanting to get the extended edition, but i only saw the movie once and that doens't seem like it's in continuity with what i saw

[The Ones]

The Blackheart, caretaker scene takes place between the scene where Mack tells Roxanne about Johnny's weird habbits and where Johnny talks to that Camera man

[Midnyte_Sun]

Damn you know I went on ebay thinking it was there, I ended up buying one and then getting an email later saying that it wont be sent out until the DVD is released.

:cmad: Now I just got the DVD with shipping costs which means I wont be getting my copy on opening day, and I'll pay more money. Sonafa%&^*!

[crazy sock]

Hahahaha. Wow! What ****tyluck You Got Ms.

[Mr. Socko]

How did you get an unreleased extended cut that won't be out for another few months?

Ebay or lw?

[Eelectro 2]

so the scene doesn't contradict what already exists in the theatrical movie? that was a worry of mine, but if it makes sense, then great. it just seemed kinda weird that the scene ended *spoiler*with blackheart apparently killing caretaker, even though his last scene is with johnny *end spoiler*

[The Ones]

Lol, dont worry. There is more to that scene. I cut it there so i wouldnt spoil everything for you and save some stuff for when you eventually get your copies

[webhead731]

You cut some of the Caretaker whoop ass scene?:eek:















I'm not mad! That makes me excited again!:D

[webhead731]

Hey The Ones, is there more to that Mephisto and Blackheart talk than what you posted? Do the Hidden ever come into the picture there?

That's all I want to know.
Thanks.

[The Ones]

Hey The Ones, is there more to that Mephisto and Blackheart talk than what you posted? Do the Hidden ever come into the picture there?

That's all I want to know.
Thanks.

No, sorry. Thats all there is.

The only thing that is added to that, thats not really the talk, is after BH says. "We'll take this world, 1 city, at a time" we hear Mephisto yell "BLACKHEART!" outside, then BH turns and goes all demon faced, then he goes outside and that scene ensues


Also a little something i forgot to mention, they cut out Blackhearts: "Now we know his weakness" line. Which was a massive improvement in the context of the rest of the film with what was added in.

[webhead731]

Ugh, does Mephisto calling out "BLACKHEART!" sound stupid?

And so them cutting out "Now we know his weakness" is for the better? I know he finds out in the Caretaker whoop ass scene according to the novel.

[The Ones]

Ugh, does Mephisto calling out "BLACKHEART!" sound stupid?

And so them cutting out "Now we know his weakness" is for the better? I know he finds out in the Caretaker whoop ass scene according to the novel.

It didnt sound stupid to me. But i'll let you be the judge: http://media.putfile.com/xcfvgbhnjm

Yes, it is for the better. He doesnt find out then, he just seems to remember back to that scene.

[webhead731]

Meh, Mephisto sounds like he may be some burn out. I like it better than what was originally there though.

Wallow talking like he's about drunk "what about Mephistophles?" then Blackheart's stupid "don't ever...say that name..."

Then in the scene in the park or whatever Blackheart goes "MEPHISTOPHLES!". He is such a hypocrite.

[<(o_o)>]

I was hoping that the extended edition would have been more of an R-Rated cut compared to the PG-13 version but looks like it won't be. I guess they can get away with alot more when they just show demons turning into dust or goo. Hopefully Ghost Rider will get a little more brutal with the human bad guys in the sequel instead of just showing them the crimes that they have committed against others & making them feel the pain of the people that they have hurt.

[Vartha]

My Wal-mart has the advertisements for the DVD's up at the enterences!

[Retroman]

I am 50 / 50 on it now. Like The Ones said there is obviously more footage left out. So somehweer down the lines its obvious that Sony will do another DVD release. So I may hold out. In my opinion this cut was no where as good as Spider-Man 2.1 & that had even LESS new footage then this one & I have no doubt that Sony will do another double dip.

I doubt there will be another extended cut in the future, so....:o

Hold on a sec Assman you got banned?:ninja:

[webhead731]

That'd be stupid if they go and make ANOTHER DVD after this one.:cmad:

[Matrix_Fan]

If they release yet another extra deluxe dvd cut who's going to buy that? :huh:

*Quietly raises hand*

[Red Mask]

I got my copy today. I was pleasantly impressed with the improvement to the beginning, up until the part where older Blaze performs his stunt. It was better how they changed the meeting between Blackheart and Mephisto. Carter Slade got a little more screen time and it was a good one. Good to see the cops weren't completely inept with the extra scene with Roxanne. Eva Mendes looked so hot. There are some quick flash scenes that I don't recall from the theatrical cut. So maybe they went back on those to improve them. Overall, I don't think they all made the movie much greater, but it did make it more watchable.

I wish they put in the Ghost Rider trailers. There are no Easter Eggs that I can find. The graphics of the DVD menu isn't so great. The extended cut alone makes this one is a keeper. Disc two doesn't offer great gems, except for the Al Pacino joke.

Hey, maybe Johnny's next stop will be the island from the remake of "The Wicker Man".

[webhead731]

Wicker Man was depressing.

[Red Mask]

Wicker Man was depressing.

The only part they got right with that story.

[webhead731]

No it was depressing because Nic Cage died.:(

He didn't deserve it.

[Red Mask]

No it was depressing because Nic Cage died.:(

He didn't deserve it.

Uhhh, Webhead. You do know how the first Wicker Man film ended right? Assuming that was intended conclusion by Anthony Shaffer, they kept that part true to form.

[webhead731]

I didn't know there was a first film up until I saw a DVD a couple weeks ago at a Circuit City.
I thought it was just a new idea recently and made into a movie. Didn't think it was a remake or something.

It wasn't Nic Cage dying that made it sad, it was just that the character didn't do anything wrong and got brutally tortured and killed. Just made me feel uneasy.:dry:

Then they go and get Harry Osborn at the end! (James Franco)

[Red Mask]

I didn't know there was a first film up until I saw a DVD a couple weeks ago at a Circuit City.
I thought it was just a new idea recently and made into a movie. Didn't think it was a remake or something.

It wasn't Nic Cage dying that made it sad, it was just that the character didn't do anything wrong and got brutally tortured and killed. Just made me feel uneasy.:dry:

That's what they got right. :dry:

Anyway, the Ghost Rider extended cut is an improvement. Check it out.

[webhead731]

lol It's great that they got it right, doesn't stop it from making me feel bad.

And how do you people get the DVD for Ghost Rider so early?!:(

[Red Mask]

The Region 3 edition came out earlier in Asia. But we don't yet have a Region 3 copy of the FF: Extended Cut.

[webhead731]

Oh I see.

[Spider-Fan]

The Ghost Rider EE is somewhat better, but not very different. A few things are different and some of the added scenes are nice, but it is almost the same movie.

I enjoyed GR, though. It is in that good but not great category. It is fun, but not impactful.

[webhead731]

Can't remember if this has been answered:

Was the retarded "Yee-Haw" edited out of the Extended Cut?:(

[Ghost Ridin']

I hope so but I doubt it.

[The Ones]

Can't remember if this has been answered:

Was the retarded "Yee-Haw" edited out of the Extended Cut?:(

No, its still there

[webhead731]

Dammit.:cmad:

[WorthyStevens]

I didn't see the theatrical version, but I'd give the extended a 7.5/10. Some shoddy acting, and bad line delivery. But it was decent for what it was.

[webhead731]

I give the original a 7/10 and the Extended a 7.8/10 lol.

Wasn't a GREAT improvment like Daredevil's was but still, good.:up:

[Armand Z Trip]

What is different, what has been added to the extended edition? Just curious. Thank you.

[Tempest19]

Besides a few awkward sound effects... it overall seemed like a much better film and the effects seem like they were worked on more since theatrical. And yet another film whose director's cut should have went to theaters.

Also, might just be my TV- but, did the final fight setting look darker to anyone else? In theaters that scene was light as hell, cartoon light which effected the setting. This time around it was much darker... as I said, may have just been my TV on a darker setting. Wondering if anyone picked up on this as well.

[webhead731]

Yes I picked that up. Glad I'm not the only one.:up:

Seems a couple seens were darkened.

Hey Tempest, go to the Tech. Support forum and look at my thread...can you tell me if your DVD does that?:confused:

Pisses me off.:cmad:

[Tempest19]

I don't see any purplish pink fire... ?

[webhead731]

Well it's not like it's the entire film, it comes and goes.

[Tempest19]

Went to the jail scene specifically and didn't see it... with an exact time that you see purple and exact area- I can check... but, saw no purple fire in that scene personally...

[webhead731]

Well I'm thinking it's a bug in my DVD, with my luck.

It's real easy to notice for me on the part where he makes the first spikes come out of his jacket. Pause it before the first one pops up and wait there and look on the right side of the screen to that fire area.

Also, on mine, when he's walking while the sprinklers are starting to go off, and when he grabs the guy and looks at him before saying "nice jacket".

Probably just my DVD.

[BatJeff7786]

Anyway, the Ghost Rider extended cut is an improvement. Check it out.

Over what?

[webhead731]

The original?:o

[MARVELous M]

I found the extended cut dvd didnt really added much more to this movie at all. I did like the extra scene or two between young Johnny and his dad though. In my opinion, I wanted more action scenes with Ghost Rider fighting or something..

[Moviefan2k4]

As a movie, Ghost Rider is entertaining, but the same thing gets to me about the EE as in the theatrical: the depictions of both the devil and God. The devil is depicted as evil (true enough), but they omit the aspect that he often appears as an "angel of light". He didn't seem tricky enough; too honest to be the devil.

As for the film's depiction of God, two scenes stick with me, and both involve the Caretaker. The first is the notion of "selling your soul for good puts God on your side; selling it for love gives you power to change the world". Personally, I don't believe that's true; we all have a chance to choose which side we will turn to, and once that choice is made, the only way we get out of it is to actively turn away from evil first. The omission of that tends to warp both that sentiment and the next one. It's right after the joint ride to San Venganza, where Caretaker says, "I made a bad choice, and I've spent years trying to fix it. All I can do is hope God will give me a second chance." Well, I believe that God will give chances, but only if you are truly repentant for what you've done; otherwise, the hope is meaningless. I know some folks will say, "It's just a movie; let it go", but as for me, something in my spirit just worries for impressionable people, who may believe God really works as depicted in the film. As a piece of cinematic entertainment, I give the EE an 8/10. On the whole, its gets a 5 in my book, because of the (backwards) spiritual connotations.

[crazy sock]

It's just a movie; let it go

[crazy sock]

HAHA im sorry, i couldnt help it.

but seriously who cares. religion, all of em, are just yer opinion n crap. maybe how God was depicted in the movie is how God is seen in some religion.

[spideyboy_1111]

what was actually extended in this movie? i bought it and watched it last night, and nothing stood out as something i havent seen ?

[Moviefan2k4]

I think the lighter gag during Johnny's interrogation was an added moment. Also, it seemed like the GR / Wallow fight was somewhat extended, and I think the finale was too. Didn't Roxanne only shoot Blackheart once before the gun went out of ammo? In the EE, she gets 3 shots off.

[webhead731]

No, the Roxanne Conner thing wasn't extended lol. There were a couple shots in the final battle that were added, not much. It was darker though.

The Wallow fight was extended, yeah. Even when Johnny was driving in the water and the water bubbled. I still wish Ghost Rider didn't do the stupid "suprise!" though.

[spideyboy_1111]

Several scenes were added.

I watched it last night as well and could easily tell which scenes were added, or were alternate scenes.

1) Most of the forensic scenes with Roxanne and the Police.

"Sulfur"... "Ever read the Old Testament".... "Brimstone"

2) Johnny Blaze tosses his helmet to the Kid after making the Field Goal Jump

3) Blackheart beats the crap out of Caretaker searching for the contract

4) Alternate scene with Blackheart and Mephisto, meeting outside of the bar instead of the street

5) Some beginnning scenes seemed to be added, such as Barton Blaze giving "Grace" to Johnny

I'm sure there were plenty of other ones that were included as well, but those are some off the top of my head.

ahh ok, i only saw the movie in theaters once, so didn't remember some parts, do didnt know if they were new or not

[crazy sock]

2) Johnny Blaze tosses his helmet to the Kid after making the Field Goal Jump
haha. i remember seeing a clip of that somewhere on here. it looked like the helmet hit the kid in the fayce.

[Riding Ghost]

I still say that peter fonda was excellent. Donald L. was very good as well. After listening to the commentaries i definately understand more what the had in mind while making it. The whole mass appeal thing. I understand, but still think some of the cheese coulda been left out. Still liked it though.

I found the commentaries very interesting, my 1st time really listening to one because its the only movie I really cared enough about to listen. It was interesting to hear that the studio(sony) actually got involved in really minute aspects of the film. Like making a big deal about wes bentleys chest hair and mephistos jacket :whatever:

[Mr. Socko]

Dang, I may have to buy this because I want to see the special features and the extended cut.


Can't rent it, can ya?

[Vartha]

I would say why not but I'm not sure.

[Edenbeast]

Pictures of the DVD, Packaging, Discs.

http://www.internapse.com/gallery/v/ghostrider/merchandise/dvd/extendededition/

What's that Circuit City 3 Disc Package ?! :huh:

[Reaper]

As a movie, Ghost Rider is entertaining, but the same thing gets to me about the EE as in the theatrical: the depictions of both the devil and God. The devil is depicted as evil (true enough), but they omit the aspect that he often appears as an "angel of light". He didn't seem tricky enough; too honest to be the devil.

As for the film's depiction of God, two scenes stick with me, and both involve the Caretaker. The first is the notion of "selling your soul for good puts God on your side; selling it for love gives you power to change the world". Personally, I don't believe that's true; we all have a chance to choose which side we will turn to, and once that choice is made, the only way we get out of it is to actively turn away from evil first. The omission of that tends to warp both that sentiment and the next one. It's right after the joint ride to San Venganza, where Caretaker says, "I made a bad choice, and I've spent years trying to fix it. All I can do is hope God will give me a second chance." Well, I believe that God will give chances, but only if you are truly repentant for what you've done; otherwise, the hope is meaningless. I know some folks will say, "It's just a movie; let it go", but as for me, something in my spirit just worries for impressionable people, who may believe God really works as depicted in the film. As a piece of cinematic entertainment, I give the EE an 8/10. On the whole, its gets a 5 in my book, because of the (backwards) spiritual connotations.


Interesting point.
I'm just glad they weren't too scared to just acknowledge the fact that there actually is a God, much less say the word. Nevermind doctrine :yay:

In fact, I've heard that a lot of professional critics are more harsh on this movie for the fact that the movie had the audacity to infer that there might be a god in the context of the storyline.(not that they would ever admit that as a reason)
And I find that very easy to believe, myself

I have a athiest friend who actually did point that out to me as one of his problems w/the movie. I just told him to STFU.....but still, you see what I'm sayin.

[Mr. Socko]

I went to wal-mart today and there wasn't a single copy of the extended edition in the entire store. They were completely sold out :cmad:

[webhead731]

Sorry to hear that.:(:down

[Vartha]

I went to wal-mart today and there wasn't a single copy of the extended edition in the entire store. They were completely sold out :cmad:
Sorry to hear that Socko.

[Mr. Socko]

I'm gonna check another store tomorrow. But I guess this means its doing pretty good on DVD.

Anyone know the exact numbers?

[Midnyte_Sun]

I have to say after watching the extended edition and the theatrical edition the best out of the 2, is the Theatrical Edition.

The theatrical is paced better and it doesnt drag out.

The best part of the Extended edition is the Sin and Salvation, 40 years of Ghost Rider documentary. It has interviews with writers, artsits, and great trivia for the Ghost Rider fan.

[R_3]

Dang, I may have to buy this because I want to see the special features and the extended cut.


Can't rent it, can ya?

I rented ithe extended version last night from Blockbuster. I'm surprised they had it available for rent as opposed to the theatrical single disc package.

[Midnyte_Sun]

Did any of you notice that the color and brightness is different in the Extended edition vs the Theatrical?

The theatrical looks better IMO.

[webhead731]

Yeah, Extended is darker...just like Ghost Rider should be.

I think they could of darkened it a bit more though.

[Mr Nick]

I just got the Extended Cut on Blu Ray.

My thoughts:

I enjoyed all the lengthened, added scenes. The Barton/Johnny scene, Mephisto confronting Blackheart outside the bar, and the Caretaker/Blackheart scene all added something. The latter explaining why Blackheart could set foot on holy ground. They raised the movie's IQ by a couple of points, albeit not as dramatically as the Daredevil DC ones.

At the cinema, I never noticed the skulls in the clouds when Blackheart first appears, and the flashes of Blackheart and Mephisto's demon forms felt more satisfying on the TV. That darned swamp still looked as shoddy as Plan 9's graveyard though.

I was very disappointed with the Spirit of Execution documentary. I didn't want to be a fly on the wall through three or four FX meetings. I wanted to be told about how the wizards brought Ghost Rider to life and shown the evolution of their work from start to end. It just felt cheap or rushed. Considering how bloody hard we know realising this character was, that's shoddy, not just for the viewer, but the Imageworks Team too.

After listening to the commentary, I didn't wind up hating MSJ or feeling like he duped us in any way. I still think he's a talented and cool guy with a genuine love for comics. However, I didn't like hearing him utter words like 'cheesy' and 'goofy' with fondness. I think he did a good job piecing a cohesive Ghost Rider story together from elements from the comics, but when it comes to the tone his take is too light. If I could give him one piece of feedback for any sequel it'd be this: darker and more serious, please. 50% of GR's dialogue was good. 50% was awful. Ghost Rider is not a wisecracker, he's an ass-kicker.

He was right about the lighting though: GR has some of the most real-looking 'night' photography I've seen in a Hollywood film.

He also mentioned that the first transformation had been edited for European viewers, so can any of you guys in the US describe what's on your DVD? When the camera starts to orbit, we get smoking and blistering, but there are about four curtains of flame that shoot up and mask cuts. The last is a real jump, from agonised burning face to lolling skull. :huh:

P.S. Sorry for posting this in the 'GR hits DVD' thread too. Only saw this one after the fact. D'oh!

[Midnyte_Sun]

Yeah, Extended is darker...just like Ghost Rider should be.

I think they could of darkened it a bit more though.

Actually, my extended cut DVD is lighter than the original theatrical.

[webhead731]

Hmm, maybe it's your TV's color adjustment?:confused:

[webhead731]

He also mentioned that the first transformation had been edited for European viewers, so can any of you guys in the US describe what's on your DVD? When the camera starts to orbit, we get smoking and blistering, but there are about four curtains of flame that shoot up and mask cuts. The last is a real jump, from agonised burning face to lolling skull. :huh:

I think you guys missed one shot. He said he liked it but had to cut it.

Here it is. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPlGZvker18)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Webhead731/1Ghost-Rider-transformation.gif?t=1183690969

[Mr Nick]

Thanks for the info, guys.

I think MSJ did mention the exploding hand being cut, which is in that GIF. So, I guess there wasn't a full, uninterrupted transformation in any released version of the film. Shame that. Of course it's still a great sequence.

:woot:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thanks for the info, guys.

I think MSJ did mention the exploding hand being cut, which is in that GIF. So, I guess there wasn't a full, uninterrupted transformation in any released version of the film. Shame that. Of course it's still a great sequence.

:woot:

Yes it is a shame, but it is still one of the best scene's in the movie.

[Mr Nick]

Just listened to the Gary Foster commentary track. It was enlightening and he's not a bore like some soloists, but every so often he'd say something that irked me. Sometimes, he's dead-on with his take on the character and subject, but sometimes he's way off.

I applaud his strong support of certain artistic decisions that the studio wasn't happy with. I guess as a producer he walks in both worlds (the director's and the studio's) and he's just trying to make everyone happy and produce a successful film. Clearly not an easy job.

I can't tell you how angry and disappointed I was to hear about Sony's criticism and insistence on changing the most trivial things: Peter Fonda's coats, Wes Bentley's chest hair, highlights in Nic's hair. Give me a break! Do they really think people aren't going to buy a ticket because Fonda's collar is too high? That's completely asinine and childish, not to mention hugely insulting to the cinema-going public.

I've always defended this film right through its production by stating that Sony is not like Fox (who warped Daredevil) and are actually very supportive. That's what Avi Arad and Sam Raimi's comments led me to believe. Now I find out they're just as bad.

In the end I felt like saying, "OK, you want a movie that will appeal to everyone and not leave them depressed with its tone. Got it. But don't use Spider-Man as the template, use Batman Begins. It had the same certificate, yet managed to keep a (mostly) dark, serious tone, protected the integrity of the character, entertained everyone and made a truckload of money."

Maybe I should write a letter to Sony!

:woot:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Just listened to the Gary Foster commentary track. It was enlightening and he's not a bore like some soloists, but every so often he'd say something that irked me. Sometimes, he's dead-on with his take on the character and subject, but sometimes he's way off.

I applaud his strong support of certain artistic decisions that the studio wasn't happy with. I guess as a producer he walks in both worlds (the director's and the studio's) and he's just trying to make everyone happy and produce a successful film. Clearly not an easy job.

I can't tell you how angry and disappointed I was to hear about Sony's criticism and insistence on changing the most trivial things: Peter Fonda's coats, Wes Bentley's chest hair, highlights in Nic's hair. Give me a break! Do they really think people aren't going to buy a ticket because Fonda's collar is too high? That's completely asinine and childish, not to mention hugely insulting to the cinema-going public.
I've always defended this film right through its production by stating that Sony is not like Fox (who warped Daredevil) and are actually very supportive. That's what Avi Arad and Sam Raimi's comments led me to believe. Now I find out they're just as bad.

In the end I felt like saying, "OK, you want a movie that will appeal to everyone and not leave them depressed with its tone. Got it. But don't use Spider-Man as the template, use Batman Begins. It had the same certificate, yet managed to keep a (mostly) dark, serious tone, protected the integrity of the character, entertained everyone and made a truckload of money."

Maybe I should write a letter to Sony!

:woot:

As if people are bothered by such trivial things like that when watching a movie, God how pathetic. At the same time though, i dont think any other studio would have given a GR movie $110 million budget.