The "Critique The Critics!" Thread (MAJOR SPOILERS, ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK)

[Retroman]

Some info on advanced FF2 screenings that are taking place.

5-June 10:00AM (http://www.insightscreeningroom.com/trade.html) FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER 20TH CENTURY FOX TRADE - Insight Screening Room (http://www.insightscreeningroom.com/trade.html)

private and by film company invitation only.June 12, Tuesday
MMP: Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
7:30pm Friday
Glorietta 4 Cinema 3 (Philippines, Asia) (http://www2.rx931.com/events.html) Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer Midnight Experience

Event Info:
Evening of THURSDAY, JUNE 14th (http://www.firstshowing.net/fantastic-four-2-experience/)
Cinemark Carefree in Colorado Springs, CO (http://www.firstshowing.net/fantastic-four-2-experience/) (off of Powers Blvd)

Specific Showtimes Not Yet Announced

More information coming soon…

Featuring: Exclusive Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer and comic related prizes, contests, and much more pre-show excitement that you won't find in any other theater or anywhere elseJOIN US @ Majestic 20 in Silver Spring, MD (http://www.myspace.com/alliancomics[/) on June 14th (http://www.myspace.com/alliancomics[/) for an early screening of "Rise of the Silver Surfer!" More information Available Soon!Jun 14 2007 7:00P (http://www.myspace.com/link757)
Advance Screening: FANTASTIC 4: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER @ Regal MacArthur (Norfolk) (http://www.myspace.com/link757)Opens Friday, June 15, with special midnight show Thursday, June 14. - ArcLight Hollywood (http://www.arclightcinemas.com/visMovieInfo.aspx?MovieName=FANTASTIC+FOUR%3a+RISE +OF+THE+SILVER+SURFER&CinemaID=1001)

[Advanced Dark]

June 5th huh? Hmmmm.

[The Apatow Crew]

My theater is gettin a early screening you could say.

[Kelly]

To me the only true early screenings are the June 5th and June 12th screenings, the rest are just midnight showings, which in reality isn't an early screening, since they can't actually show the movie until the clock hits June 15th.....lol



BUT......it looks like we will be getting reviews starting Tuesday......




Here it comes guys and gals, the real ride begins Tuesday........

[Advanced Dark]

Yeah. Alot of theatres say 11:59 PM just to make it sound not so late but they will not run the film till 12:01 AM. :)

[The Apatow Crew]

It said 8 pm.:yay:

[Kelly]

It said 8 pm.:yay:


Cool, buy your ticket and enjoy the movie.....

[Advanced Dark]

It said 8 pm.:yay:

FF better start puttingsome shows on the 14th at 8:00 PM. It would really help quite a bit. I think this film is gonna have tremendous word of mouth from those outside of the internet boards...the regular folk.

[The Apatow Crew]

Cool, buy your ticket and enjoy the movie.....I would but i don't have a way there and back. So i have to wait until the next day.

[Theweepeople]

I'm very curious to see what Ain't it cool news will have to say about this film. They already said the movie got horrible reviews from a private screening held in Seattle that Fox said was bogus. Of course Fox said the same crap about a negative screening review last year for X3 which turned to be quite accurate.

[Kelly]

I'm very curious to see what Ain't it cool news will have to say about this film. They already said the movie got horrible reviews from a private screening held in Seattle that Fox said was bogus. Of course Fox said the same crap about a negative screening review last year for X3 which turned to be quite accurate.


Yeah, maybe they'll actually have a review from an actual screening this time....

[Theweepeople]

Yeah, maybe they'll actually have a review from an actual screening this time....

Maybe Fox won't turn out to be liars like they were last year with X3's screening but, I doubt it.

[Kelly]

Maybe Fox won't turn out to be liars like they were last year with X3's screening but, I doubt it.

Any other sites talking about this screening????

[Franklin Richards]

I think the people will like it.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Malus]

I'm very curious to see what Ain't it cool news will have to say about this film. They already said the movie got horrible reviews from a private screening held in Seattle that Fox said was bogus. Of course Fox said the same crap about a negative screening review last year for X3 which turned to be quite accurate.

What proved to be true- that there was an advance screening or that the film was indeed poor in many people's estimation?
Was the screening itself ever verified?

[Lightning Strykez!]

Brace yerselves for impact!!!!!!!


:p

*grabs Kel for cover*

[Kelly]

Brace yerselves for impact!!!!!!!


:p

*grabs Kel for cover*


Oh I'm sorry, didn't I tell you.....I'll be gone from June 5th, to July 5th.....:woot: :woot:

[Advanced Dark]

There was no screening of FF a month ago in Seatle. They were still working on it. Hell anyone who claimed to see it probably had a sneak peak at the novel and wants to look cool online..but failed. Also I could really not care less about some Harry Knowles desciple sending in anonymous scoops to match Harry's predetermined review of a film. I would love to see a film screened to Harry and the opening credits say Peter Jackson. He'd have his review written before the end credits and it would say masterpiece, best film ever, holy crap, etc...Then the end credits it says F U Harry Brett Ratner did it. LOL

[The Apatow Crew]

I'll be here though.:word:

[Kelly]

I'll be here though.:word:

thanks for the reminder.....:dry:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Oh I'm sorry, didn't I tell you.....I'll be gone from June 5th, to July 5th.....:woot: :woot:

:down::dry:

[The Apatow Crew]

thanks for the reminder.....:dry:Your welcome. Can i be mod while your gone.:cwink:

[Franklin Richards]

I've been avoiding the spoilers. How's it been around here?


Heh.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Advanced Dark]

^ Fine. Sue dies in the movie and Reed loses his powers, and the Silver Surfer is really Doom in disguise.

[The Apatow Crew]

^ Fine. Sue dies in the movie and Reed loses his powers, and the Silver Surfer is really Doom in disguise.NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
























:whatever: :o :woot: :yay:

[Franklin Richards]

NOOOOO!!!!


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Theweepeople]

There was no screening of FF a month ago in Seatle. They were still working on it.

Opinions vary and Fox's history of lying about script leaks, script reviews, and test screenings speaks for itself.

Also I could really not care less about some Harry Knowles desciple sending in anonymous scoops to match Harry's predetermined review of a film.

There's still no proof that the alleged Seattle test screening was bogus. All we have is Fox's word against Harry Knowles and right now I see no reason why I should trust anything said by Tom Rothman.

I would love to see a film screened to Harry and the opening credits say Peter Jackson. He'd have his review written before the end credits and it would say masterpiece, best film ever, holy crap, etc...Then the end credits it says F U Harry Brett Ratner did it. LOL

That's wishful thinking. Ratner wouldn't be sly enough to pull off something like that. Although your wishes could come true while you sleep and dream.:oldrazz:

[Advanced Dark]

Opinions vary and Fox's history of lying about script leaks, script reviews, and test screenings speaks for itself.



There's still no proof that the alleged Seattle test screening was bogus. All we have is Fox's word against Harry Knowles and right now I see no reason why I should trust anything said by Tom Rothman.



That's wishful thinking. Ratner wouldn't be sly enough to pull off something like that. Although your wishes could come true while you sleep and dream.:oldrazz:

There was no Seattle screening...unless people directly involved in the production who told me there was no screening lied. Not likely. Ratner not sly enough? Hmmm let's see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGOFRqPdUq8

I think he is.

[The Apatow Crew]

There was no Seattle screening...unless people directly involved in the production who told me there was no screening lied. Not likely.Well you know people.

People will believe what there wanna believe.

[Kelly]

As far as the early screening goes.....HAD other sites picked this up from something other than the "one" source from AICN, I might actually give alittle thought to it being true.....but every site that has talked about this did not get it from any other source except AICN....and their source simply in his verbage gave away his credibility....

[Advanced Dark]

It's like who would you believe...an anonymous scooper on AICN? LOL

[The Apatow Crew]

It's like who would you believe...an anonymous scooper on AICN? LOLThe Stranger.:yay:

[Advanced Dark]

Well I'll trust Fox coupled with the words I heard with my ears from someone who has a name.

[Theweepeople]

There was no Seattle screening...unless people directly involved in the production who told me there was no screening lied. Not likely. Ratner not sly enough? Hmmm let's see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGOFRqPdUq8

I think he is.

Any idiot can successfully pull off a prank every once in a while. Even the village idiot can accomplish this.

[Advanced Dark]

Uhhh no.

[Theweepeople]

Uhhh no.

Opinions vary.:cwink:

[Malus]

There's still no proof that the alleged Seattle test screening was bogus.

And how would one prove that something didn't happen?

I'm afraid burden of proof works the other way around.

If there was a screening, then let's hear from someone who was there.
We're talking about something that supposedly happened three months ago. The movie wasn't even close to finished at that time. :whatever:

[Advanced Dark]

Opinions vary.:cwink:

Yeah except the people who made the movie would know. Not some coward anonymous scooper on a site that is filled with laughable scoops. Gray Hulk anyone? Hulk 2 is going straight to DVD with Duchovny? The Ghost Rider footage...Oh and Godzilla was awesome! :whatever:

[Theweepeople]

And how would one prove that something didn't happen?

I'm afraid burden of proof works the other way around.


We're talking about something that supposedly happened three months ago. The movie wasn't even close to finished at that time. :whatever:

That's interesting. A review about X3 was released on Ain't it cool news 5 months before X3's release date in 2006. Of course Fox quickly denied the validity of this review and I believed Fox because it sounded phoney for the following reasons:

Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Xavier dieing.:oldrazz:

Magneto, Mystique, and Rogue getting cured.:oldrazz:

A run time of 103 minutes.:oldrazz:

Wolverine becoming the leader of the X-Men.:oldrazz:

[bubbadoom]

I do not recall the "review" from months ago mentioning anything about the power swapping sub plot. I can not imagine AICN passing up the chance to give away such a major spoiler, had the review been real; and judging from the trailers it happens several times, so I am sure it had to have been in the print at that time.

Conclusion - FAKE REVIEW!

[Malus]

That's interesting. A review about X3 was released on Ain't it cool news 5 months before X3's release date in 2006. Of course Fox quickly denied the validity of this review and I believed Fox because it sounded phoney for the following reasons:

Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Xavier dieing.:oldrazz:

Magneto, Mystique, and Rogue getting cured.:oldrazz:

A run time of 103 minutes.:oldrazz:

Wolverine becoming the leader of the X-Men.:oldrazz:

Those are evidence of nothing more than script leaks! :whatever:
Just because these things turned out to be part of the film doesn't mean a screening was held five months in advance.
Five months is ridiculously early.

The only remotely curious thing you've got there is the running time.

AD is right on target about AICN when he mentions the gray Hulk, direct to DVD for Hulk 2 w/ Duchovny(!)..the Ghost Rider footage, etc etc

AICN buried the bogus FF2 screening within days of posting it. Without comment.
They are very often quite full of it.

[Nokio]

There was no screening of FF a month ago in Seatle. They were still working on it. Hell anyone who claimed to see it probably had a sneak peak at the novel and wants to look cool online..but failed. Also I could really not care less about some Harry Knowles desciple sending in anonymous scoops to match Harry's predetermined review of a film. I would love to see a film screened to Harry and the opening credits say Peter Jackson. He'd have his review written before the end credits and it would say masterpiece, best film ever, holy crap, etc...Then the end credits it says F U Harry Brett Ratner did it. LOL


Whatever there is to be said about harry and his site still doesn't change the fact that his sources has been right about d@mn near everything about FOX superhero films.

AICN said that the SS was going to be in the F42, and it turned out true, they said that the SS's power was in his board and that turned out true, the said galactus is now a cloud or the cloud will represent him, that may well be true, everything they said about X3 turned out 99 percent true. I could go on but what's the point.

Now i don't know if the F42 will be garbage, but while it looks good, the danger is still high of this being a stinker, especially now that the short run time has been confirmed.

[Kelly]

Whatever there is to be said about harry and his site still doesn't change the fact that his sources has been right about d@mn near everything about FOX superhero films.

AICN said that the SS was going to be in the F42, and it turned out true, they said that the SS's power was in his board and that turned out true, the said galactus is now a cloud or the cloud will represent him, that may well be true, everything they said about X3 turned out 99 percent true. I could go on but what's the point.

Now i don't know if the F42 will be garbage, but while it looks good, the danger is still high of this being a stinker, especially now that the short run time has been confirmed.

No need to take up for Harry, most here were speaking of this specific incident. I wouldn't worry about the couple who speak otherwise, their motives are probably questionable as well....Also, true Galactus may turn out to be a cloud, and whatever was said about it being bad may come true as well, that will be up to each person's individual opinion. But it is still fact that NO OTHER site on the internet had ANY OTHER source come to them talking about the screening. Only this one "unnamed" source, who's verbage was very much of someone with a motive of just starting negative buzz. If you want to continue to believe that, thats ok....if you want to believe that this movie will probably end up on the negative end of the spectrum, thats ok to, but theres really no need to continue the "harry is great" song...because he is very capable of doing that himself....Nor is there a need to continuously slam the guy every chance ya get....it gets kind of annoying....lol

[Advanced Dark]

Whatever there is to be said about harry and his site still doesn't change the fact that his sources has been right about d@mn near everything about FOX superhero films.

AICN said that the SS was going to be in the F42, and it turned out true, they said that the SS's power was in his board and that turned out true, the said galactus is now a cloud or the cloud will represent him, that may well be true, everything they said about X3 turned out 99 percent true. I could go on but what's the point.

Now i don't know if the F42 will be garbage, but while it looks good, the danger is still high of this being a stinker, especially now that the short run time has been confirmed.

Tim Story said he wanted Silver Surfer in FF as Avi was pushing for the solo film first. AICN does get alot of scoops but they tend to publish anything negative even if it's unconfirmed about a franchise Harry's despises however they're much more careful about the stories they publish about the rest.

[Hunter Rider]

To me the only true early screenings are the June 5th and June 12th screenings, the rest are just midnight showings, which in reality isn't an early screening, since they can't actually show the movie until the clock hits June 15th.....lol



BUT......it looks like we will be getting reviews starting Tuesday......




Here it comes guys and gals, the real ride begins Tuesday........

*Battens down the hatches*

Your welcome. Can i be mod while your gone.:cwink:

http://valboard.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/valboard/emo-24.gif (javascript:emoticon('=))')) :cwink:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wow. I'll sure be glad when we get our first review and we can finally get off this AICN subject. :rolleyes:

[Carp Man]

Wow. I'll sure be glad when we get our first review and we can finally get off this AICN subject. :rolleyes:

But it is fun since they are wroung 99 % of the time. :oldrazz:

[Grog]

Some info on advanced FF2 screenings that are taking place.
Thanks for posting this Retro! I live close to Norfolk and started calling in some favors to get into that screening. If I do, I'll have you to thank!:woot:

[gerbstat]

This argument over the veracity of an alleged screening three months ago is a waste of server space and a departure from the original topic.

Five points will be deducted from the Moderators for not getting this back on track.

[Fantastic-Boy]

Thnx!

[coreymb16]

I can't wait to see a review from the movie. Hope it's a great review.

[Retroman]

June 5th huh? Hmmmm.
It's listed under Trade Showings so lucky ones are more than likely fox employees, theater managers etc.
Thanks for posting this Retro! I live close to Norfolk and started calling in some favors to get into that screening. If I do, I'll have you to thank!:woot:
You're welcome and good luck.:yay:
I can't wait to see a review from the movie. Hope it's a great review.
Today is June 5th so we won't probably won't have to wait so long before the first review(s) start coming in. *fingers crossed*

[Lightning Strykez!]

*waits with bated breath*

[Kelly]

*waits with bated breath*

You need to stop eating bats......:o your breath smells terrible....

[Lightning Strykez!]

:down:p

[GoblinScrier]

So today is that showing...is there any chance that we will see a review of this today?

[Lightning Strykez!]

Possibly, but I wouldn't say it's extremely likely since the screenings might take place tonight. Probably tomorrow we'll see our first wave of reviews.

Of course we'll have to be selective in reading them because you can bet we'll have bold-faced liars (translation: Attention Whores) mixing in their faked reviews with the legit. :down:rolleyes:

[Compi716]

I'm really anticipating some reviews. Fingures crossed for some good words!

[coreymb16]

I'm eagerly waiting for these reviews.

[highguard]

Yeah we are all waiting...... waiting.........waiting...................waiting. ......waiting.........

[Kelly]

We should be getting critic reviews shortly, please post the reviews here and let the discussion and debates begin..........

[Theweepeople]

But it is fun since they are wroung 99 % of the time. :oldrazz:

You do have facts to back up this claim don't you?:oldrazz:

[Retroman]

KFC picks Fantastic Four's latest movie for charity screening

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/8611/fantastic4hw2.jpg
Chandra (2nd right) and Ling (2nd left) shows tickets for the Fantastic Four premier show

23rd May, 2007
KOTA KINABALU: KFC (Sabah) Sdn Bhd will host a charity premiere screening of the upcoming movie, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, on June 14 in aid of the Sabah Society for the Deaf.

The premier show will be held at the Golden Screen Cinema theatre, Hall 2, at 7.15pm.

Proceeds from the sale of tickets, which are priced at RM10 for the standard class and RM12 for deluxe class, will be donated to the society, which will use the funds to set up new centres throughout Sabah, KFC marketing manager Raja Chandra Lingam said yesterday.

“KFC has been working closely with the society—our outlet in Tanjung Aru is operated by hearing-impaired staff,” he said. “This shows our seriousness and commitment to the welfare of (people with hearing disabilities),” he said.

Tickets for the show, which has its grand screening worldwide on that same day, will be on sale at all KFC restaurants in Kota Kinabalu starting from May 23. Special merchandise will be given away for the first few customers at the entrance of the movie hall.

“Watch this great thrilling movie, and at the same time donate for a good cause!” said KFC general manager (operation) Ling Mee Jiuan.

Meanwhile, winners of the ‘KFC Pick it Rice’ contest were invited for a prize presentation ceremony followed by lunch at KFC Wawasan Plaza yesterday. Launched on March 29 in conjunction with the nationwide rice launch, the contest received an overwhelming response of over 50,000 entry forms from throughout Sabah, said Chandra.

More than RM10,000 worth of electrical goods, including 29” Samsung CTV, two-door fridge, Electrolux vacuum cleaner, electric oven, thermo pots and rice cookers, as well as food products, were given away through the contest. In total there are 68 winners from Sabah and Brunei.Source:http://www.newsabahtimes.com.my/nstweb/fullstory/8063
Possibly, but I wouldn't say it's extremely likely since the screenings might take place tonight. Probably tomorrow we'll see our first wave of reviews.

Of course we'll have to be selective in reading them because you can bet we'll have bold-faced liars (translation: Attention Whores) mixing in their faked reviews with the legit. :down:rolleyes:
Last year i remember there was someone claiming he had seen a cut of X3 where Storm and Angel flew together.:p

Hopefully everyone will get to see the same theatrical cut of the movie cause the first FF movie was slightly different in some regions.

[Grog]

Retro,
I got the tickets for the Norfolk show! You da' man! The LINK mag also asked to feature some of my junk in an issue thats going to be on the stands prior to the movie, so that should provide a bit of positive promotion in my neck of the woods....even if it means all my peers will figure out I'm a nerd:oldrazz: .

[GoblinScrier]

When will Movie Tickets.com start selling the midnight showings? This close to the movies release and no early ticket sellings?

[AdWolF16]

Retro,
I got the tickets for the Norfolk show! You da' man! The LINK mag also asked to feature some of my junk in an issue thats going to be on the stands prior to the movie, so that should provide a bit of positive promotion in my neck of the woods....even if it means all my peers will figure out I'm a nerd:oldrazz: .

hey Grog, i also live right near Norfolk (Newport News), but i’m fairly new to the area and don’t have any strings to pull :p …any idea if there’s any way i could get my hands on a pair of tix?

[Grog]

hey Grog, i also live right near Norfolk (Newport News), but i’m fairly new to the area and don’t have any strings to pull :p …any idea if there’s any way i could get my hands on a pair of tix?

Welcome to the neighborhood. I asked for three for my family. I actually could use one more if they'll give it to me. If they send more than four, I'll PM you, no problem.

[Kelly]

Retro,
I got the tickets for the Norfolk show! You da' man! The LINK mag also asked to feature some of my junk in an issue thats going to be on the stands prior to the movie, so that should provide a bit of positive promotion in my neck of the woods....even if it means all my peers will figure out I'm a nerd:oldrazz: .


Like they don't already knooooooooowwwwww......:oldrazz:

[Grog]

Like they don't already knooooooooowwwwww......:oldrazz:
You wound me....:csad: :cwink:

[Retroman]

Retro,
I got the tickets for the Norfolk show! You da' man! The LINK mag also asked to feature some of my junk in an issue thats going to be on the stands prior to the movie, so that should provide a bit of positive promotion in my neck of the woods....even if it means all my peers will figure out I'm a nerd:oldrazz: .

Wonderfull!!:D Congrats man, hope you have a good time.:up:

[Grog]

Sigh. Why is it so hard to have an opinion on these boards.
The point of a test screening is to gage public interest and opinions on a film, please the execs, and encourage product partnerships, not usually for a team to show off-- that is what opening night BO numbers are for.

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

It more difficult to be correct here, JP... like you just were about the obvious lack of pride in this soon to be stinker part 2.

[JP]

The point of a test screening is to gage public interest and opinions on a film, please the execs, and encourage product partnerships, not usually for a team to show off-- that is what opening night BO numbers are for.

My point is, that when a studio is very proud of something they tend to wanna show it off.

Even X3 had early screenings. And it was obvious how happy Ratner and Co. were with the film.


But, I digress. Apparently I'm 'trolling' or something.

[Hunter Rider]

*Waits*

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Still waiting Hunter? Jack Bauer rocks.

[Lightning Strykez!]

But, I digress. Apparently I'm 'trolling' or something.

You certainly are not. :) Your opinion is valued here and you know it.

As far as studio pride, can we at least entertain the fact that critics simply have not put their reviews up on line yet? Or, that maybe they have, and they've just not made their way here to the Hype for our eyes?

I don't believe it's a sign of lack of studio confidence...it's just a matter of timing.

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

You are so optomistic! I envy you!

[JP]

You certainly are not. :) Your opinion is valued here and you know it.
Yeah, no. :cwink:


As far as studio pride, can we at least entertain the fact that critics simply have not put their reviews up on line yet? Or, that maybe they have, and they've just not made their way here to the Hype for our eyes?

I don't believe it's a sign of lack of studio confidence...it's just a matter of timing.

That isn't my issue. I'm just curious as to why they've decided to wait so long for the screenings, especially with a summer as big as this one. I can entertain the possibility that it was just a strategy they used.. maybe trying not to shove the movie down the critics and the viewers throats like most films coming out.

Only time will tell . . .

[Lightning Strykez!]

You are so optomistic! I envy you!

Heh. I wasn't necessarily being optimistic per se...just offering another feasible conclusion. A lot is riding on this film's being successful, so if they are working hard to perfect it down to the last minute, more power to them.

But screenings ARE taking place. Unless the studio have reviewers on a gag order, we should be seeing something soon. Critics may be doing write-ups for a number of movies at this time, not just this one.


Yeah, no.

Yay-yeh. :heart:

And again, I don't think FOX is embarrassed about this:

http://www.reelzchannel.com/moviedetail.aspx?movieid=225461

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Well, I know that a genius like Waid couldn't make the power-switching nonsense look good in the pages of a comic... so I'm betting it just sucks the investment out of the audience on the big screen. Maybe they're re-editing at the last moment... perhaps actually going to some non-ultimate FF books for insiration ( OK, now I'm trying to be an optomist) That's my vote as to why no screenings. Maybe they'll even make Doom an actual villian rather than a poorly done characture of one... Yeah, I suck at optomism. :(

[Hunter Rider]

Still waiting Hunter? Jack Bauer rocks.

Patiently:woot: It's hard to believe Fox also own Jack Bauer,given a lot of their recent movie decisions.

[Kelly]

Patiently:woot: It's hard to believe Fox also own Jack Bauer,given a lot of their recent movie decisions.


TV and Films, TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT areas with Fox.....:o

[Hunter Rider]

TV and Films, TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT areas with Fox.....:o

So they let the smart folks run the tv side ?:dry:

[Kmack]

Well, I know that a genius like Waid couldn't make the power-switching nonsense look good in the pages of a comic... so I'm betting it just sucks the investment out of the audience on the big screen. Maybe they're re-editing at the last moment... perhaps actually going to some non-ultimate FF books for insiration ( OK, now I'm trying to be an optomist) That's my vote as to why no screenings. Maybe they'll even make Doom an actual villian rather than a poorly done characture of one... Yeah, I suck at optomism. :(

Yeah, you do:p

[Kelly]

So they let the smart folks run the tv side ?:dry:



Well......with Fox......as far as TV, the only problem they really have is.....they don't allow series to find their audience.....some series it takes sometimes 3 maybe 4 seasons to really hit the audience....they may have a good season....and if it falls a double digit the next season....its gone.....or they may have a series that didn't hit the audience at first...but the critics loved it....doesn't matter its axed.......so even FOX tv is all about the money as the bottomline........but WHEN THERE IS A series that hits in both areas....critically and money wise through at least 3 seasons....then it stays....if a series has a misstep in its first 3 seasons on any counts.....its gone.....

[JP]

Well......with Fox......as far as TV, the only problem they really have is.....they don't allow series to find their audience.....some series it takes sometimes 3 maybe 4 seasons to really hit the audience....they may have a good season....and if it falls a double digit the next season....its gone.....or they may have a series that didn't hit the audience at first...but the critics loved it....doesn't matter its axed.......so even FOX tv is all about the money as the bottomline........but WHEN THERE IS A series that hits in both areas....critically and money wise through at least 3 seasons....then it stays....if a series has a misstep in its first 3 seasons on any counts.....its gone.....


The OC, RIP

:(

[GhostPoet]

I love the Ultimate Fantastic Four. *shrugs*
I just like re-inventions....

[Kelly]

I love the Ultimate Fantastic Four. *shrugs*
I just like re-inventions....

It's not my favorite of the runs....but I don't see it as the devil like some either....

[GoblinScrier]

It's not my favorite of the runs....but I don't see it as the devil like some either....


Well there have been a couple of neat things but the early stories with Doom with goat legs....yikes! Thank god, they fixed him a lot later with the armor and being the ruler of Latveria and just being a plain badass

[Kelly]

Well there have been a couple of neat things but the early stories with Doom with goat legs....yikes! Thank god, they fixed him a lot later with the armor and being the ruler of Latveria and just being a plain badass


true....

[Cristo]

Where are the reviews? I can imagine it now:

"Worst kid's movie of the summer."

"See Surf's Up instead."

"I need to see Ratatouille ten times to get this dreck of my mind."

[NQ-B]

Where are the reviews? I can imagine it now:

"Worst kid's movie of the summer."

"See Surf's Up instead."

"I need to see Ratatouille ten times to get this dreck of my mind."

I doubt it will be that bad have a little faith.

[Lightning Strykez!]

That's very creative Cristo. :dry:

[Hellmistress]

Was looking through this month's EMPIRE mag today as they were reviewing all of the films being released through June to July - except Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. It had a nice article on Jessica, and a two-page poster ad, but that's it.

HM

[Hunter Rider]

Well......with Fox......as far as TV, the only problem they really have is.....they don't allow series to find their audience.....some series it takes sometimes 3 maybe 4 seasons to really hit the audience....they may have a good season....and if it falls a double digit the next season....its gone.....or they may have a series that didn't hit the audience at first...but the critics loved it....doesn't matter its axed.......so even FOX tv is all about the money as the bottomline........but WHEN THERE IS A series that hits in both areas....critically and money wise through at least 3 seasons....then it stays....if a series has a misstep in its first 3 seasons on any counts.....its gone.....

I guess that's true enough,i mean Drive got the boot after just 4 shows:csad:

Still it's just been confirmed that Live Free or Die Hard is an R and will have a 2 hour 10 minutes run time,so they can do some things right after all

[Antonello Blueberry]

Just back from the screening.
Ok, I think it's a better picture than the first one, not a great one, but quite fun. It goes fast, the subplots of the wedding of Sue and Reed and the growth of Johnny, who's still a bratty playboy, are barely touched.
The group of kids that were there seemed quite entertained, the critics a lot less. One of the main problems is still Doom, whose motivation are still foggy (a simple wish of unlimited power?); he never gains the stature of even the worst of the comic-book stories. It's your average cold bastard, but with superpowers and a thing for metal masks.
The comedic parts are several throughout the movie, and more often than not the superpowers are used for laugh. A friend of mine was baffled by the fact that they used more their powers for doing stupid stuff than for their heroic mission. Reed is seen more doing scientific stuff, even if for most of the time he's shown playing with his Nokia handheld device. The effects for his stretching powers didn't improve too much in the sequel and in the stupid dancing scene during the bachelor party (as we didn't get too many of them in Spider-Man 3), they look too cartoonish.
The Silver Surfer looks great in his depowered form, slightly less so with the metallic polish by Weta; he doesn't have pupils if you care about it. He is on screen for like 20 minutes total and his final battle with Galactus is nicely done too.
The battle of Cosmic powered Doom and the Superskrullish Johnny is far more spectacular than the fight in the streets in the first one, but it's cut a bit too fast, so I didn't get everything that happened (someone will clear for me what was doing Ben Grimm on that crane).
I know most of you want to know if Galactus is really a purple cloud. Well, let's say that part isn't completely true.

[JP]

Just back from the screening.
Ok, I think it's a better picture than the first one, not a great one, but quite fun. It goes fast, the subplots of the wedding of Sue and Reed and the growth of Johnny, who's still a bratty playboy, are barely touched.
The group of kids that were there seemed quite entertained, the critics a lot less. One of the main problems is still Doom, whose motivation are still foggy (a simple wish of unlimited power?); he never gains the stature of even the worst of the comic-book stories. It's your average cold bastard, but with superpowers and a thing for metal masks.
The comedic parts are several throughout the movie, and more often than not the superpowers are used for laugh. A friend of mine was baffled by the fact that they used more their powers for doing stupid stuff than for their heroic mission. Reed is seen more doing scientific stuff, even if for most of the time he's shown playing with his Nokia handheld device. The effects for his stretching powers didn't improve too much in the sequel and in the stupid dancing scene during the bachelor party (as we didn't get too many of them in Spider-Man 3), they look too cartoonish.
The Silver Surfer looks great in his depowered form, slightly less so with the metallic polish by Weta; he doesn't have pupils if you care about it. He is on screen for like 20 minutes total and his final battle with Galactus is nicely done too.
The battle of Cosmic powered Doom and the Superskrullish Johnny is far more spectacular than the fight in the streets in the first one, but it's cut a bit too fast, so I didn't get everything that happened (someone will clear for me what was doing Ben Grimm on that crane).
I know most of you want to know if Galactus is really a purple cloud. Well, let's say that part isn't completely true.

That's about what I was expecting. Ah well.

[Hellmistress]

The Silver Surfer looks great in his depowered form, slightly less so with the metallic polish by Weta; he doesn't have pupils if you care about it. He is on screen for like 20 minutes total and his final battle with Galactus is nicely done too.

That's because you're mainly seeing the suit. Interesting. I was also interested to see that you think the film is maybe too rushed? Do you think an extra 30 minutes would at least have solved a few of the problems?

An incredible shame about Doom. I was hoping for more in-depth info in this one ... and we get a standard run-of-the-mill bad guy with superpowers.

Thanks for the review, Antonello. Most ... insightful.

HM

[Antonello Blueberry]

That's because you're mainly seeing the suit.

The suit looks great, and the face acting of the character is good too. I wonder if they did something with CGI for that or if it's all Doug, who's credited in the end titles as SS.


Interesting. I was also interested to see that you think the film is maybe too rushed? Do you think an extra 30 minutes would at least have solved a few of the problems?

Maybe a couple more scenes with Doom would have helped. And maybe I blinked and missed it, but the scene of the trailers with Ben lifting the car wasn't in the move.
Oh, another thing. There isn't a title sequence animation like in the X-Men movies; the flick starts with a planet being destroyed by "Galactus" and a silvery streak flying through the debris.

[cronosred]

Just back from the screening.
Ok, I think it's a better picture than the first one, not a great one, but quite fun. It goes fast, the subplots of the wedding of Sue and Reed and the growth of Johnny, who's still a bratty playboy, are barely touched.
The group of kids that were there seemed quite entertained, the critics a lot less. One of the main problems is still Doom, whose motivation are still foggy (a simple wish of unlimited power?); he never gains the stature of even the worst of the comic-book stories. It's your average cold bastard, but with superpowers and a thing for metal masks.
The comedic parts are several throughout the movie, and more often than not the superpowers are used for laugh. A friend of mine was baffled by the fact that they used more their powers for doing stupid stuff than for their heroic mission. Reed is seen more doing scientific stuff, even if for most of the time he's shown playing with his Nokia handheld device. The effects for his stretching powers didn't improve too much in the sequel and in the stupid dancing scene during the bachelor party (as we didn't get too many of them in Spider-Man 3), they look too cartoonish.
The Silver Surfer looks great in his depowered form, slightly less so with the metallic polish by Weta; he doesn't have pupils if you care about it. He is on screen for like 20 minutes total and his final battle with Galactus is nicely done too.
The battle of Cosmic powered Doom and the Superskrullish Johnny is far more spectacular than the fight in the streets in the first one, but it's cut a bit too fast, so I didn't get everything that happened (someone will clear for me what was doing Ben Grimm on that crane).
I know most of you want to know if Galactus is really a purple cloud. Well, let's say that part isn't completely true.


Does Doom look rubbery like the photos or did they add cgi to him to look more metal like?

[Mister J]

Appreciate the review, Antonello. :up:

Sounds about what I expected. Nothing for me to really get excited about, but not atrocious. I was hoping for a more badass and befitting Doom though.

At least I have a free ticket for it.

[Hellmistress]

The suit looks great, and the face acting of the character is good too. I wonder if they did something with CGI for that or if it's all Doug, who's credited in the end titles as SS.



Maybe a couple more scenes with Doom would have helped. And maybe I blinked and missed it, but the scene of the trailers with Ben lifting the car wasn't in the move.
[/quote]

It's very much Doug you'll see in the tarnished Surfer scenes. Very little CG enhancement.

Hmmm ... interesting that the car-lifting scene wasn't there.

Also, for some reason they don't seem to have grasped the quintessential Doom, have they? And that's certainly not a criticism of Julian - and actor can only do so much with what is given to him. Oh, and I hope they haven't turned Ben into the comic relief and nothing else.

HM

[Papa Burgundy]

I'm very curious to see what Ain't it cool news will have to say about this film. They already said the movie got horrible reviews from a private screening held in Seattle that Fox said was bogus. Of course Fox said the same crap about a negative screening review last year for X3 which turned to be quite accurate. aintitcool news is full of liars and haters. its like they got banned from every other message bored and all went over to aicn. now for the ff2 screening i dont not believe it at all because 1) i live there and i didnt hear ANYTHING about a ff2 screening AT ALL. also its pretty boring out here so im sure they wouldve put someting like that on the news or the radio or something. and 2) the way the news was broke about the negative screening...it seemed fishy to me just the way it was said and how the news was broked i dont know just seemed weird to me. even if the movie is horrible, i still wont believe them about the screening. i dont believe aicn alot anyway espicially if you saw those fake joker pics up there from the dark knight lol

[Halcohol]

So it's on-par or slightly better than the first film? That works for me :up: :ff:

[Storm22]

What does Galactus look like??

[Antonello Blueberry]

Does Doom look rubbery like the photos or did they add cgi to him to look more metal like?
Let's say he doesn't look rubbery, but in most of the action scenes Doom is a digital stunt (completely CGI).

[Antonello Blueberry]

What does Galactus look like??
Do you really want to know?

[Storm22]

yeah please, spoiler tag it.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Well, apart from the shadow we've seen in one of the trailers, we only see this gray cloud, made of debris and smoke. There may be some kind of entity in the middle of it, but it's never shown as having a human form

[Storm22]

Thanks, I thought as much.

How would you rate FF2 compared to the X-Men films out of interest??

[Mister J]

Figures. :down

[AdWolF16]

so what the hell was Arad talking about when he said we'll get enough Galactus for the fans to rejoice?

[Antonello Blueberry]

Thanks, I thought as much.

How would you rate FF2 compared to the X-Men films out of interest??
I'm not good in making charts, it's probably better than the third, slightly inferior to the first. X2 to me is the best of those.

[Panophobia]

Well, apart from the shadow we've seen in one of the trailers, we only see this gray cloud, made of debris and smoke. There may be some kind of entity in the middle of it, but it's never shown as having a human form

Is it referred to as Galactus? And does it leave it open for it to return in a sequel?

[Storm22]

Well that's promising as my X-Men preference is X2, X3, X1.

I liked FF though and just hope this movie improves upon the first film.

If you had to Antonello what would you give FF2 out of 10?

[Antonello Blueberry]

so what the hell was Arad talking about when he said we'll get enough Galactus for the fans to rejoice?
It's called damage control.
The thing is that the cloud doesn't look bad, it's menacing, it looks like there are tornadoes coming out of it, a force of nature. It's effective in the economy of the movie. What is surprising is that someone thought that a giant alien in purple was probably ridiculous, while they agreed on a depowered Silver Srufer with a built-in television set.

[the a1ant]

I enjoyed the first film (for the most part), so if it's on par with that, then I'll at least know it will be enjoyable to an extent. Was hoping for a vast improvement, though.

Were there any good 'character' moments? Or is action the most top priority?

Thanks Antonello for the review. :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Thanks Antonello:up:

Seems like it is still lacking the depth i'd hoped for but i guess the run time necessitates that,how was Doom's final look and how did he look on the board ?

[Antonello Blueberry]

Is it referred to as Galactus? And does it leave it open for it to return in a sequel?
Well, Silver Surfer does a sort of show and tell to Sue and says on his planet the destroyer was called Galactus.
And like in comic-books, everyone can come back, especially the Surfer

[Panophobia]

Well, Silver Surfer does a sort of show and tell to Sue and says on his planet the destroyer was called Galactus.
And like in comic-books, everyone can come back, especially the Surfer

****. :csad:

[Mr. Socko]

LOL, I wonder if the cloud talks.

[Spider-Fan]

Just back from the screening.
Ok, I think it's a better picture than the first one, not a great one, but quite fun. It goes fast, the subplots of the wedding of Sue and Reed and the growth of Johnny, who's still a bratty playboy, are barely touched.
The group of kids that were there seemed quite entertained, the critics a lot less. One of the main problems is still Doom, whose motivation are still foggy (a simple wish of unlimited power?); he never gains the stature of even the worst of the comic-book stories. It's your average cold bastard, but with superpowers and a thing for metal masks.
The comedic parts are several throughout the movie, and more often than not the superpowers are used for laugh. A friend of mine was baffled by the fact that they used more their powers for doing stupid stuff than for their heroic mission. Reed is seen more doing scientific stuff, even if for most of the time he's shown playing with his Nokia handheld device. The effects for his stretching powers didn't improve too much in the sequel and in the stupid dancing scene during the bachelor party (as we didn't get too many of them in Spider-Man 3), they look too cartoonish.
The Silver Surfer looks great in his depowered form, slightly less so with the metallic polish by Weta; he doesn't have pupils if you care about it. He is on screen for like 20 minutes total and his final battle with Galactus is nicely done too.
The battle of Cosmic powered Doom and the Superskrullish Johnny is far more spectacular than the fight in the streets in the first one, but it's cut a bit too fast, so I didn't get everything that happened (someone will clear for me what was doing Ben Grimm on that crane).
I know most of you want to know if Galactus is really a purple cloud. Well, let's say that part isn't completely true.

Without getting too spoilerish on me, how was the Silver Surfer both visually and as a character? As a mega Surfer fan, he can make this well worth watching himself if he is great.

[The Wrecker]

I wonder if the cloud talks.


Same here dose it?

[the a1ant]

I know a concern of some people here, was if it felt watered-down with the PG rating? Or was the action as intense (if not more) than the 1st film?

[wobbly]

Well, apart from the shadow we've seen in one of the trailers, we only see this gray cloud, made of debris and smoke. There may be some kind of entity in the middle of it, but it's never shown as having a human form

Wow...so the footage we saw in the trailer of the surfer heading into a debris ridden cloud is pretty much all Galactus is then (or shown as in this flick at any rate)?

Does he at least talk or show any kind of sentience at all?

Whatever...from the rest of what you have said this looks to be another empty lightweight effort from fox.

[the_ultimate_evil]

so basically we get a pissed off rain cloud, should have known, its about a good as a kick in the balls

[Mercurius]

Ugh. I knew it was a mistake. Oh dear, another one. :whatever:

[wobbly]

It's called damage control.

Or called lying through your expensively capped teeth...It should go without saying that 'Rejoice' is not a word that will be on many fans minds when they see what's been done with the big G.


The thing is that the cloud doesn't look bad, it's menacing, it looks like there are tornadoes coming out of it, a force of nature. It's effective in the economy of the movie. What is surprising is that someone thought that a giant alien in purple was probably ridiculous, while they agreed on a depowered Silver Srufer with a built-in television set.

A big WTF on that last part? He aint a friggin tellytubby is he?

[Kelly]

Damn you people are like vultures........lmao.................*going to get my whip and chair....*

[Antonello Blueberry]

Wow...so the footage we saw in the trailer of the surfer heading into a debris ridden cloud is pretty much all Galactus is then (or shown as in this flick at any rate)?

Does he at least talk or show any kind of sentience at all?

Whatever...from the rest of what you have said this looks to be another empty lightweight effort from fox.
Well, I don't mind if the movie is lighter in tone than the X-Men; I think that the F4 lend themselves to comedy more than the other heroes. Sure, I would have traded some gags for a couple of minutes developing the characters. They couldn't avoid doing a "naked Sue moment" here too.
As for your questions...

No, as I said Galactus is more a force of nature, like a tornado than a sentient being. Silver Surfer in a certain point calls Galactus (and this is a little plot hole as he later says that the board is really the beacon leading the destroyer to Earth) but the cloud doesn't articulate his thoughts. And yes, the debris Silver Surfer flies through are part of Galactus, probably.

[Antonello Blueberry]

A big WTF on that last part? He aint a friggin tellytubby is he?
Not the gay one, at least.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Without getting too spoilerish on me, how was the Silver Surfer both visually and as a character? As a mega Surfer fan, he can make this well worth watching himself if he is great.
As I said, the makeup suit is very good but the silver CGI makes him a bit fake looking. In the final sequence there are a couple of great shots of him.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Thanks AB! Doesn't sound great, but I guess it would be naive to think it would be.

[Spider-Fan]

As I said, the makeup suit is very good but the silver CGI makes him a bit fake looking. In the final sequence there are a couple of great shots of him.

What about characterization? Is he portrayed well?

[webhead731]

Did the movie seem kiddy or less intense and held back?

It's PG.

[Symbiotic]

Did the movie seem kiddy or less intense and held back?

It's PG. I don't know about you man, but I'm already wishin' for the extended cut.

[Kelly]

Did the movie seem kiddy or less intense and held back?

It's PG.


Yeah....was it more mature.....ya know with cuss words and stuff.....:cwink:

[Antonello Blueberry]

What about characterization? Is he portrayed well?
He isn't the talkative kind of alien we love from the comics, the one who spends panels and panels reflecting on his role in the universe. And it's a bit too convenient that Sue reminds him of Shalla Bal. But there's the sadness and some kind of nobility in the character that are well portrayed. I can't judge Fishburne's voice as I've seen it in the Italian dubbed version.

[Antonello Blueberry]

It's kiddy, but I don't think any more than the first one.
They even give us a glimpse of the Surfer being tortured and discuss the sex between Ben and Alicia.

[Spider-Fan]

He isn't the talkative kind of alien we love from the comics, the one who spends panels and panels reflecting on his role in the universe. And it's a bit too convenient that Sue reminds him of Shalla Bal. But there's the sadness and some kind of nobility in the character that are well portrayed. I can't judge Fishburne's voice as I've seen it in the Italian dubbed version.

To be fair, most of the Surfer's dialogue balloons are thought oriented. I mean, it would be awkward for him to narrate himself as he surfs through space.

AH! SPOILER WITH THE SHALLA BAL THING!!! MUST REMOVE FROM MEMORY!!!

J/k...alright, I am pretty set with what I know now. I am avoiding this thread and many others. Will still continue to discuss stuff here, though.

[TheComicbookKid]

glimpse of the Surfer being tortured and discuss the sex between Ben and Alicia.


You're kidding right?

[Antonello Blueberry]

You're kidding right?
No.

[TheComicbookKid]

Holy crap. :whatever:

Thanks for the review. My excitement level dropped like 30 points.

Off topic for a sec:Anyone else not seeing a lot of tv spots? I haven't seen one in like four days.

[Green Goblin 1964]

Holy crap. :whatever:

Thanks for the review. My excitement level dropped like 30 points.

Off topic for a sec:Anyone else not seeing a lot of tv spots? I haven't seen one in like four days.me too but mostly over galactus...:csad::csad::csad:

[Lord Blackbolt]

After how they screwed up the first one....I didn't have faith in this movie. I was going to go see this just for SS...but now.....no. Wait for DVD for me

[krec99]

can u see galactus outline like his helmet is he awesome ?

[bubbadoom]

How much do we see of Doom with the mask off? Like in the other leaked photo from weeks ago?

[Antonello Blueberry]

How much do we see of Doom with the mask off? Like in the other leaked photo from weeks ago?
The disfigured Doom? Half a second?

[wobbly]

I'll ask just the one more question as I don't think it's been covered yet...

Regarding Doom Presumably the scarred looking Doom pic we saw a while back is from early in the film so does the Surfer cure him to make him fully human looking again or is there some other deal going there?

[Visionary]

As long as the Silver Surfer is in good celestial entertainment for these eyes and ears I'll be content for now. :dry:

[Antonello Blueberry]

I'll ask just the one more question as I don't think it's been covered yet...

Regarding Doom Presumably the scarred looking Doom pic we saw a while back is from early in the film so does the Surfer cure him to make him fully human looking again or is there some other deal going there?
I'll answer this one then I'll go to bed. In 5 hours I'll have to go back to my new craptacular job, while missing the press conference with Chris and Jessica and probably a couple of gadgets from the movie.
Doom gets back to life after the Surfer flies over Latveria. After removing his mask, Doom succeeds in tracking the Surfer but they fight and Victor gets hit by a blast of cosmic power. That will enable him to get his human appearance back.

[webhead731]

I'm losing faith and hope.

[webhead731]

At least I have a free ticket for it.

Yeah me too.:o

[krec99]

im still going to see it cant judge anything unless u see it for your self im a bit let down by galactus though.

[webhead731]

I'll still see it of course. I love the Fantastic Four...but man it better not be as bad as I'm hearing.

[Symbiotic]

I have faith.

[webhead731]

I have less faith than I did an hour ago.:(

[Symbiotic]

Just don't lose all of it, man.

[krec99]

what he said about galactus maybe there was no other way to put him in the movie im glad he's a force of nature instead of nothing .it could be alot worse i wonder if u see the shape of him like his helmet and all.

[YJ1]

Just back from the screening.
Ok, I think it's a better picture than the first one, not a great one, but quite fun.

That sounds good to me!

Antonello Blueberry, just to see how your taste compares to mine, rate the following on a scale of 1-10.

Fantastic Four
FF: ROTSS
Spider-Man
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man 3
X-Men
X2
X3
Daredevil DC
Ghost Rider

Thanks...

[Dragon]

Why do I have to be right all the time?

Oh welll.. The apocalypse is happening on:

:woot:

[krec99]

Fantastic Four 8 out 10
FF: ROTSS
Spider-Man 9 out 10
Spider-Man 2 9 out 10
Spider-Man 3 8 out 10
X-Men 7 out 10
X2 10 out 10
X3 6 out 10
Daredevil DC 7 out 10
Ghost Rider -havent seen this one yet

[Iron Man's Dad]

Well this bodes ill for all hope of a proper telling of the epic story that was the arrival of Galactus.

If true, I think this may have just become a rental.

Truly a shame.

I expect that a certain spin machine will show up in this thread soon.

Galactus the cloud.... morons.

My currently negative $.02.

IMD

[YJ1]

Let's beat AICN to the punch and start an "early screening" review of the Iron Man movie right now.

I've seen Iron Man. Here's my review...

An outstanding effort, Marvel does it again! This movie had grit, heart, and pivotal action. It is a work of art/comic book pulp fiction never before seen on the silver screen. The characters, effects, and story were all beyond great. Director Jon Favreau displays an amazing vision. He manages to keep the story intense and flowing but all the while it builds for the battle to end all battles. Favreau also manages to deliver a little bit of everything - intrigue, sexual tension, drama, suspense and of course - bad ass comic book style slugfests. Overall, I had a great time and thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this sure hit.

The original, gray armor is wonderful. Both versions of the armor are lifted directly from the comic book. The jet fighter sequence has to be seen to be believed! Saving the Mandarin for the sequel was a good idea. Stane was the perfect villain for Stark. The acting is superb. The dialogue is rich. Every character feels believable. This is the reason the term instant classic was invented. Iron Man redefines the comic book genre and restores the sense of epic adventure and grand-scale storytelling that's been absent from far too many of today's alleged blockbusters.



See, it's not that hard and Iron Man is about 10% complete at this point. Screw AICN.

[Kelly]

Let's beat AICN to the punch and start an "early screening" review of the Iron Man movie right now.

I've seen Iron Man. Here's my review...

An outstanding effort, Marvel does it again! This movie had grit, heart, and pivotal action. It is a work of art/comic book pulp fiction never before seen on the silver screen. The characters, effects, and story were all beyond great. Director Jon Favreau displays an amazing vision. He manages to keep the story intense and flowing but all the while it builds for the battle to end all battles. Favreau also manages to deliver a little bit of everything - intrigue, sexual tension, drama, suspense and of course - bad ass comic book style slugfests. Overall, I had a great time and thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this sure hit.

The original, gray armor is wonderful. Both versions of the armor are lifted directly from the comic book. The jet fighter sequence has to be seen to be believed! Saving the Mandarin for the sequel was a good idea. Stane was the perfect villain for Stark. The acting is superb. The dialogue is rich. Every character feels believable. This is the reason the term instant classic was invented. Iron Man redefines the comic book genre and restores the sense of epic adventure and grand-scale storytelling that's been absent from far too many of today's alleged blockbusters.



See, it's not that hard and Iron Man is about 10% complete at this point. Screw AICN.


This has nothing to do with the topic on this thread.....take your hate of AICN, to AICN.

[Tempest19]

They even give us a glimpse of the Surfer being tortured and discuss the sex between Ben and Alicia.


Since I don't think you'd mind, I'll clear this up for people who might have a skewed general idea just based on that...

From the novel:

Johnny makes a sex joke to Ben... pretty much, "how do you two..." Ben doesn't really answer him and Johnny jokes that he hopes he doesn't wake up one morning to find that Alicia has been killed in a rock slide.

It's a really funny suggestive joke, Reed doesn't go into a "this is how you and Alicia can have sex" type thing. Or at least that wasn't in there, last time I checked...

[Tempest19]

Now on to my more complicated questions and concerns (particularly as a Johnny Storm fan) also integral do to run time:


1. Can you please describe the look of Dr. Doom? Is he the black robed Doom throughout the entire film, or is that just Cosmic Doom? Does Doom take on a similar appearance that he had in the first film for the first part of the film?

2. Is there a wedding montage of Johnny and Ben getting ready for the wedding: buying a ring, getting the cake, etc.?

3. Is there a scene of Johnny finding out that The Thing is the highest selling action figure?

4. Is there a scene during which Johnny tells Ben: about Reed and Susan's plan to "break up" the Fantastic Four?

5. Is there a scene at a bar between Johnny and Ben, during which Johnny asks Ben what he would do during his final hours/ days on earth? And that he (Johnny) looks at himself as the "screw up of the fantastic four"?

6. Does Doom kill the person that 'awakes' him from his dormant state?

7. Does Doom kill the general? How graphic is this scene? Or was this scene cut from the film?

[YJ1]

This has nothing to do with the topic on this thread.....take your hate of AICN, to AICN.

Just proving a point about what's been talked about here, lighten up.

[Kelly]

Just proving a point about what's been talked about here, lighten up.


No more discussion....just stop.

[GoblinScrier]

Hey Albafan, what do you think of the posted review? Should we still go in full steam ahead, or are we doomed to a disappointment? I haven't been this hyped in a long time for any movie and all the footage shown thus far, has made me a very happy person...add to the fact the book was pretty damn good and I thought it was going to kick ass but based on the review, I don't know what to think....

[The Apatow Crew]

Think for yourselfs Don't let others make your thoughts for you. Be your onw person. If somone doesn't like it just say screw it until you see it for yourself.

[Kelly]

Hey Albafan, what do you think of the posted review? Should we still go in full steam ahead, or are we doomed to a disappointment? I haven't been this hyped in a long time for any movie and all the footage shown thus far, has made me a very happy person...add to the fact the book was pretty damn good and I thought it was going to kick ass but based on the review, I don't know what to think....


I've never spent much time reading reviews.....haven't read the one here, and probably won't read any of them until I see the movie for myself.


Critics don't make decisions for me on whether a movie is good or not....I do that myself......:cwink:

I'm EXTREMELY excited about this movie.....and I can't wait to go to the midnight showing (I think, not sure at the moment) but if not the midnight showing, I'll be there first showing with family and friends covering 2 rows worth.....:woot: coke, popcorn in hand ready to enjoy a fun summer movie.

[GoblinScrier]

Think for yourselfs Don't let others make your thoughts for you. Be your onw person. If somone doesn't like it just say screw it until you see it for yourself.

I know you are right but I guess the idea that Doom is only in his armor for 6 minutes does a number to you when you have been waiting so long or that Galactus actually is a force of nature

[Kelly]

I know you are right but I guess the idea that Doom is only in his armor for 6 minutes does a number to you when you have been waiting so long or that Galactus actually is a force of nature


Tell me this GS, when you go to see a movie you are looking forward to, excited about, etc.....do you go in with a stop watch and time how long your favorite characters are on the screen????????? If you do........wow....lol........................if you don't, then go in with that same mentality and enjoy the movie....

[GoblinScrier]

Tell me this GS, when you go to see a movie you are looking forward to, excited about, etc.....do you go in with a stop watch and time how long your favorite characters are on the screen????????? If you do........wow....lol........................if you don't, then go in with that same mentality and enjoy the movie....


Ouch...LOL....I know you are right Albafan....but still, I guess I just wanted to see that character all over the place but no I do want to still enjoy this as much as I did PRIOR to reading that review.

[chesslover]

All that you know is at an end. :)

[webhead731]

That's putting it lightly.

[50yroldfffan]

what he said about galactus maybe there was no other way to put him in the movie im glad he's a force of nature instead of nothing .it could be alot worse i wonder if u see the shape of him like his helmet and all.
no other way! there is always another way the problem here is that this franchise was put in the hands of amauters..Tim Story and compony. Who's claim to fame "barber shop" and what was that other movie called taxi? Writers and designers of little vision with tiny egos trying to fit in the shoes of giants.. Stan Lee and Jack Kirbys. Egos that led them to think they could tell the story better and even reinvent characters like Doom, Galactus and the Thing.
What a joke! a movie made for kids I don't believe any of these guys realy read and understood these stories, it's all hype. We are left to only imagine what a James Cameron or Peter Jackson would have done with this franchise. The Watcher, Galactus, Super Skrull, Doom, the negative zone, a cgi thing and so on and so forth in a movie thats over two hours long. These numb nuts where handed a diamond and some how found a way to turn back into a piece of coal lol
Yes ignorance is bliss so I'm sure many will still enjoy this movie but sadly I'm not ignorant and will watch it with eyes that will know what could have been.

[xii22_loop]

so I'm guessing frankie raye's purpose in the movie is so Chris Evans can have another shirtless scene? No Nova yet? Hehe as long as hes shirtless, whatever the cost, its fine by meeee

[gerbstat]

I especially liked he scene with the penguin.That was hilarious...

[Kelly]

Drama........drama..............drama......


Drama llama convention goin on......lmao

[50yroldfffan]

Hey Albafan, what do you think of the posted review? Should we still go in full steam ahead, or are we doomed to a disappointment? I haven't been this hyped in a long time for any movie and all the footage shown thus far, has made me a very happy person...add to the fact the book was pretty damn good and I thought it was going to kick ass but based on the review, I don't know what to think....
I won't tell you what to think Goblin but I'll tell you what to do.
Go buy (if you can find a copy) Marvel Materworks "the Fantastic Four" vol 5, 6 and 7.
Read the trilogy that was the Surfer Galactus storys, Read "This Man This Monster" or the storys with Doom stealing The Surfer powers. They will be better then anything you'll find in this movie. I'm sure this flix is filled with many cool shots of the FF, the best cgi can do today! but what will be missing is heart, you'll find that in the comics :-)

[Kelly]

I'd say.....let him go to the movie, and make his own mind up........but hey.....that's just me.


Someone tells me what to think......and hey...........I automatically....THINK for myself.....its amazing.

[GoblinScrier]

I won't tell you what to think Goblin but I'll tell you what to do.
Go buy (if you can find a copy) Marvel Materworks "the Fantastic Four" vol 5, 6 and 7.
Read the trilogy that was the Surfer Galactus storys, Read "This Man This Monster" or the storys with Doom stealing The Surfer powers. They will be better then anything you'll find in this movie. I'm sure this flix is filled with many cool shots of the FF, the best cgi can do today! but what will be missing is heart, you'll find that in the comics :-)

I actually own various versions of all those stories and I love them to death....despite Antonello's review, I still am dying to see this movie because based on all the footage I've seen, I have liked everything I've seen and once next week concludes, then I can give my honest opinion. Albafan is right...I shouldn't be swayed by one review or 20....it matters not...if I like the movie, then I guess in the end, that is what counts...

[The Apatow Crew]

I'd say.....let him go to the movie, and make his own mind up........but hey.....that's just me.


Someone tells me what to think......and hey...........I automatically....THINK for myself.....its amazing. Iknow i feel the smaw as you. I'm not gonan be forced wat to think or feel just cause somekne says it in a review,. everyone has different taste and opinions.

But most of the time on here opinions and trolling are almost the same.

You can't tell whats what? Cause like people say there entitled to them good or bad.

[Kelly]

Iknow i feel the smaw as you. I'm not gonan be forced wat to think or feel just cause somekne says it in a review,. everyone has different taste and opinions.

But most of the time on here opinions and trolling are almost the same.

You can't tell whats what? Cause like people say there entitled to them good or bad.


You have just topped ALL OF YOU OTHER doofus statements........:whatever:


They are entitled......we all are entitled to our opinion....

[Kelly]

I actually own various versions of all those stories and I love them to death....despite Antonello's review, I still am dying to see this movie because based on all the footage I've seen, I have liked everything I've seen and once next week concludes, then I can give my honest opinion. Albafan is right...I shouldn't be swayed by one review or 20....it matters not...if I like the movie, then I guess in the end, that is what counts...



That's my boooooooooooy................................*snif fs*



I'm so proud of you...............:woot:

[The Apatow Crew]

You have just topped ALL OF YOU OTHER doofus statements........:whatever:


They are entitled......we all are entitled to our opinion....But really what is the difference? When ever i think someone is trolling its a opinion.

And when its my opinion its trolling.

[Kelly]

But really what is the difference? When ever i think someone is trolling its a opinion.

And when its my opinion its trolling.



*sighs*



*walks out of thread*

[50yroldfffan]

I actually own various versions of all those stories and I love them to death....despite Antonello's review, I still am dying to see this movie because based on all the footage I've seen, I have liked everything I've seen and once next week concludes, then I can give my honest opinion. Albafan is right...I shouldn't be swayed by one review or 20....it matters not...if I like the movie, then I guess in the end, that is what counts...
I have a question for you big g, did you like every thing you saw before you saw the first FF movie? And after you saw the movie did it meet your expectations?

[coreymb16]

Iknow i feel the smaw as you. I'm not gonan be forced wat to think or feel just cause somekne says it in a review,. everyone has different taste and opinions.

But most of the time on here opinions and trolling are almost the same.

You can't tell whats what? Cause like people say there entitled to them good or bad.That's actually what I was thinking.

[Fanticon]

more x3 comparisons...hate me later...but, remember we thought they weren't showing us fully flamed dark phoenix because the fx weren't done...and, that they just wanted us to go see the movie to see what it will actually look like...yup...I'm getting this feeling all over again. I don't think I'll be too upset about it...but I can't wait till after the movie comes out...to hear the $#!t storm that follows the cloud!

[coreymb16]

Hey guys, Why is there an early screening for any movie?

[Theweepeople]

aintitcool news is full of liars and haters. its like they got banned from every other message bored and all went over to aicn. now for the ff2 screening i dont not believe it at all because 1) i live there and i didnt hear ANYTHING about a ff2 screening AT ALL. also its pretty boring out here so im sure they wouldve put someting like that on the news or the radio or something. and 2) the way the news was broke about the negative screening...it seemed fishy to me just the way it was said and how the news was broked i dont know just seemed weird to me. even if the movie is horrible, i still wont believe them about the private screening. i dont believe aicn alot anyway espicially if you saw those fake joker pics up there from the dark knight lol

Since when were private screenings made known to the general public?

[highguard]

hmmm well well, I don't know what to say about Antonellos review.

At this point I guess that I will hunker down until after I see the film.

And hmmm, we will get enough of Galactus huh, wow.

Fox, Rothman, Story, June 15th...... a day of reckoning.

[Theweepeople]

I've heard more than enough about this movie to finally convince me that it's not worth spending money on even a matinee. In retrospect I'm not surprised or disappointed. Fox never had respect for these films so I don't expect this trend of crappy comic book movies made by them to change anytime soon.

[Kanny]

How can everybody give their opinion of this film without watching it?? Just because of one review?!

Man, you are all so pesimist!! There have been a lot of times when people told me that a movie was bad, but I went anyway and I liked it. And other times, I don't like a movie and critics says that it's good and even win an Oscar!!

That means that each of us likes different things. I'm not going to judge the movie just because of one review, I don't care how negative it is.

As a FF fan, I'm glad they are doing FF movies. And I'm not going to go to the cinema already thinking that I will not like it and watch it just to critic it later. I'm going to enjoy the movie as much as I can. There might have bad parts, I don't care.

And about Galactus..... I wouldn't like a Galactus like in the comics. Come on!! A gigant walking throught NY????? Like a Gozilla?? That image would be very childish. I can imagine it like the bad monsters of Power Rangers, soooo very bad done. And very unbelieveble. So, I think that they did Galactus very well, by just let us see his shadow and later, a clowd or storm.

The movie have very good special efects. I think they did it great with the SS. And it's not easy to make a Human Torch look real..... And they did.

And, about comparing it with X-men.... Well, I don't like any of the X-Men movies and there are a lot of people here who likes them. Just because I don't like it I'm not going to say that it's a disapoint and a bad movie. So, if I have to compare FF with X-men, I like more FF. So, I'll always like a FF movie most.

Now, the people who says that they are not going to watch the movie after reading the review. Really, were you going to watch it before reading the review?? I don't think so.

I come here and read the reviews to know more about the movie and all that. I read their opinion of the movie and I respect it. But I never let that change my opinion about a movie. I'm going to see it no matter what others say. When I'll watch the movie, I'll give my opinion. Not before.

[Carlo Comicus]

But what you expected from a director (director? mah!) like Tim Story?

About Arad, Rothmann and the Galactus apparition in the movie: It was obvious that they said lies. They have already made with X-Men 3 and the leaked script.

Wake up, boys!

[Retroman]

Thanks Antonello for the review. :up:
Sounds much better than the first but still not the leap in quality that i was hoping for.Hopefully i'll feel different when i see it.
Maybe a couple more scenes with Doom would have helped. And maybe I blinked and missed it, but the scene of the trailers with Ben lifting the car wasn't in the move.
Oh-oh i smell an extended cut.
Oh, another thing. There isn't a title sequence animation like in the X-Men movies; the flick starts with a planet being destroyed by "Galactus" and a silvery streak flying through the debris.
Sounds like an awesome scene but no freaking title sequence. WTF?!:(
Well, apart from the shadow we've seen in one of the trailers, we only see this gray cloud, made of debris and smoke. There may be some kind of entity in the middle of it, but it's never shown as having a human form
That's a let down:down
so what the hell was Arad talking about when he said we'll get enough Galactus for the fans to rejoice?
Crap, that's what.


Antonello, could you please answer these quick questions for me?:yay:
Who deliverd the most impressive acting performances? Which character has been improved the most since the first movie?Are there any easter eggs/cameos hinting towards future films?Is Doug Jones in the end credits? And what did you make of the cinematography and effects?

[GoblinScrier]

I have a question for you big g, did you like every thing you saw before you saw the first FF movie? And after you saw the movie did it meet your expectations?

Well, going in, I already knew the changes about Doom, and that was a big point to me so I knew that I was going in knowing about Corporate Doom, etc...I loved the four themselves, but the one thing I knew that was needed was more time...and that is why after buying the extended version, I liked it even more. So to answer your question, yeah I did like it.

[Cristo]

This is madness! No, actually, it's what we've expected all along. Just worse...

No title sequence, no PG-13 action, no character development and a whole bunch of cheesy lines.

I don't even think Tim Story is to blame. There's a few parts where I think Tim Story's capability shined through a TEENY bit in the first FF. But, it's those damned Fox executives...

[Hellmistress]

I will be reserving judgement until June 15th, although I very much appreciate Antonello's candid and succinct review. Can't say much until then, although I'm very heartened that the tarnished Surfer is better than the silvered Surfer. Suit quality, m'friends ... suit quality ... ;)

HM

[Cristo]

I've never spent much time reading reviews.....haven't read the one here, and probably won't read any of them until I see the movie for myself.


Critics don't make decisions for me on whether a movie is good or not....I do that myself......:cwink:

I'm EXTREMELY excited about this movie.....and I can't wait to go to the midnight showing (I think, not sure at the moment) but if not the midnight showing, I'll be there first showing with family and friends covering 2 rows worth.....:woot: coke, popcorn in hand ready to enjoy a fun summer movie.

Optimist much? I mean, the first Fantastic Four wasn't great and this one doesn't even have the street cred the first one did 'cause of its rating. I mean, come on, the last PG movie with true street cred was The Legend of Zorro and that's 'cause hardly anybody knew it was PG.

[Doctor of Doom]

Y'know I was EXPECTING negative press. (And I have no doubt many sites will just bash this movie because of the first one. It doesn't dilute my enjoyment at all, especially when I found the first one quite good.

But there is one monkey wrench here.

SIX MINUTES OF DOOM IN ARMOUR?

[Kanny]

I'm with you too. I don't care the opinions of other. I'll have my own when I see the movie.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I really think some here are way too influenced by peer pressure and group-think.

My recommendation is to make up your own minds. Antonello's review was hardly "negative"...it just revealed spoilers on a couple of things some didn't like. That doesn't mean the film is trash overall. And what will you do if the critics end up raving over it? Change your minds and love it again? Form your own opinions based on YOUR screenings. :up: I am still excited as hell for this film.

[The Apatow Crew]

I really think some here are way too influenced by peer pressure and group-think.

My recommendation is to make up your own minds. Antonello's review was hardly "negative"...it just revealed spoilers on a couple of things some didn't like. That doesn't mean the film is trash overall. And what will you do if the critics end up raving over it? Change your minds and love it again? Form your own opinions based on YOUR screenings. :up: I am still excited as hell for this film.I totally agree with everything you've said. I couldn't have said it better.

[Willie Lumpkin]

I know you are right but I guess the idea that Doom is only in his armor for 6 minutes does a number to you when you have been waiting so long or that Galactus actually is a force of nature

*Checks GoblinScrier's Birthday.*

You haven't been alive long enough to be waiting soooo long.:cwink:

I'll live with 6 minutes of Doom in Armor. Better than 0 minutes, right?

And I can wait a few more years to see Galactus. Keep in mind somebody made the deal with the surfer, and also remember this quote from Ralph Winter:

http://www.comics2film.com/ProjectFrame.php?f_id=448

"Whether we see Galactus, how much of Galactus you'll see -- I can't answer that question at the moment because we truly don't know. I'm not being coy, we just haven't made a decision yet," says Winter. "We want to cut the movie together, play it out, and see if that's necessary or needed, or if it's something we can play in another movie. There is no specific plan mapped out about Galactus right now, but that is definitely the reason that the Silver Surfer comes to earth."

That quote has had me convinced that the cloud is not Galactus, but it has also left me thinking that we'll have to wait until a future FF or SS film to actually see him.

[Cristo]

There is far too much blind optimism for this film by *ahem* certain people. It happened on the Spidey 3 boards. One bad review and everybody ignored it. but everything good, they latched on. Now, nearly EVERYONE finds something wrong with Spidey 3, even though I knew before I saw it that it was gonna be a dud despite the first two films. And, now, I'm saying this is going to be a dumb popcorn flick with no heart and some hijinks.

[The Apatow Crew]

There is far too much blind optimism for this film by *ahem* certain people. It happened on the Spidey 3 boards. One bad review and everybody ignored it. but everything good, they latched on. Now, nearly EVERYONE finds something wrong with Spidey 3, even though I knew before I saw it that it was gonna be a dud despite the first two films. And, now, I'm saying this is going to be a dumb popcorn flick with no heart and some hijinks.yeah some dud its made close to 800 milion or more worldwide.

[NQ-B]

Hmmmm, the review makes me feel on certain.
But I'm still going to see this movie, everyones opinions are different.

[NQ-B]

yeah some dud its made close to 800 milion or more worldwide.

Thats because it had good marketing and people enjoyed the previous Spiderman movies.
Really how much a movie makes is based on how well it's marketed

[Theweepeople]

yeah some dud its made close to 800 milion or more worldwide.

Some duds to well financially worldwide as a result of a great opening weekend. King Kong(549million) and Godzilla(379million) are considered duds despite because they underperformed domestically. Pretty soon Pirates 3(300million dollar budget) will be considered a dud because it won't even come close to making it's money back domestically.

[Lightning Strykez!]

There is far too much blind optimism for this film by *ahem* certain people. It happened on the Spidey 3 boards. One bad review and everybody ignored it. but everything good, they latched on. Now, nearly EVERYONE finds something wrong with Spidey 3, even though I knew before I saw it that it was gonna be a dud despite the first two films. And, now, I'm saying this is going to be a dumb popcorn flick with no heart and some hijinks.

I love it when users mouth off about "blind optimism" as if they somehow have an insight that surpasses that of the rest of their peers. :whatever: You do realize that the term "blind" could also be applied for your pessimism, right?

Again, Antonello's review was not "bad"--it was quite fair considering he had his share of major complaints/concerns over developments in this production. And since I know him fairly well from these boards (over the last few years) I trust his review--and believe me, if he felt it was truly terrible he would've ripped it to shreds--Antonello has never been one to hold his tongue. But he said it was a much better film than its predecessor.

What's pathetic is seeing some here only latch on to the cons he presented and then say shallow things like, "Well because he didn't like it, I'm not going to see it either." What are you? A chameleon that changes color based on his/her settings? If a person goes that far, they either:

a.) Never really intended on seeing it in the first place, or

b.) Are just beating their chest online, but know they will secretly have their asses in a theater seat a week from now :rolleyes:

[Theweepeople]

Thats because it had good marketing and people enjoyed the previous Spiderman movies.
Really how much a movie makes is based on how well it's marketed

You're partially right. It also depends on the release date and how well a movie does during it's opening weekend.

[Malus]

yeah some dud its made close to 800 milion or more worldwide.

Financially Spidey 3 is undeniably a huge success.

But it's also a critical failure, garnering something like 45% poor reviews (that's a failing grade) and very mixed reactions from fans - as compared to the first two films which were practically worshipped by fans and critics alike.

[Malus]

I love it when users mouth off about "blind optimism" as if they somehow have an insight that surpasses that of the rest of their peers. :whatever: You do realize that the term "blind" could also be applied for your pessimism, right?

Again, Antonello's review was not "bad"--it was quite fair considering he had his share of major complaints/concerns over developments in this production. And since I know him fairly well from these boards (over the last few years) I trust his review--and believe me, if he felt it was truly terrible he would've ripped it to shreds--Antonello has never been one to hold his tongue. But he said it was a much better film than its predecessor.

What's pathetic is seeing some here only latch on to the cons he presented and then say shallow things like, "Well because he didn't like it, I'm not going to see it either." What are you? A chameleon that changes color based on his/her settings? If a person goes that far, they either:

a.) Never really intended on seeing it in the first place, or

b.) Are just beating their chest online, but know they will secretly have their asses in a theater seat a week from now :rolleyes:

Yeah, it's pretty annoying reading certain people doing just what you're describing: Latching onto the cons.
It's called throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Antonello's review was FAR from negative.

[Lightning Strykez!]

You guys do realize that Antonello's review was fairly positive right?

I ask because all I'm seeing is people focusing on strictly the things he didn't care for in the film...and missing the fact that overall he appears to have enjoyed it--as he said "quite fun" and superior to the first film AND X-Men: The Last Stand.

Just thought I'd mention that perspective ladies and gents. His review has actually stoked me more (I was never all that thrilled on Galactus being shown in this movie anyway).

[TheComicbookKid]

I think everyone was hoping for a leap forward in quality and not a step. I expected to enjoy it. AB's review makes me think I won't care if I see it again until the DVD though, like a snack. I liked X3, but only enough to see it once in the theater.

[Theweepeople]

I love it when users mouth off about "blind optimism" as if they somehow have an insight that fails the vision of the rest of their peers. :whatever: You do realize that the term "blind" could be applied for your pessimism, right?

Again, Antonello's review was not "bad"--it was quite fair considering he had his share of major complaints/concerns over developments in this production. And since I know him fairly well from these boards (over the last few years) I trust his review--and believe me, if he felt it was truly terrible he would've ripped it to shreds--Antonello has never been one to hold his tongue. But he said it was a much better film than its predecessor.

What's pathetic is seeing some here only latch on to the cons he presented and then say shallow things like, "Well because he didn't like it, I'm not going to see it either." What are you? A chameleon that changes color based on his/her settings? If a person goes that far, they either:

a.) Never really intended on seeing it in the first place, or

b.) Are just beating their chest online, but know they will have their asses in theater seat a week from now :rolleyes:

Wrong on both accounts. I had optimism for this film just like I had optimism for X3 last year. Unfortunately, Fox tricked me into seeing that poor excuse for an X-Men film by misleading the public with lies and false marketing. Fox has treated the negative fan reaction to FF leaks in a similar fashion to X3. We've heard conflicting rumours about whether Galactus would look like in the movie. We've heard conflicting rumours about how Galactus would like in the moive. We've heard conflictin rumours about the run time.

I had an open mind about this film until Fox started their unscrupulous damage control machine again. They fooled me before but, I won't be fooled again. My hard earned money will not be spent on any more crappy comic book films that are made by Fox. I had no problem avoiding seeing FF in the theaters after the bad reviews came out. In a week Ain't it cool news will probably confirm all the bad things I feared about this picture and influence to not see it in the theaters.

[Grog]

Antonell's review was even handed and fairly positive.

I'm as disapointed as anyone about Glactus, but it seemed like the consensus here two days ago were that its better to not show him because, a) the movie was already full of characters, or b) that if they couldn't do Galactus right don't show him at all, now everyone is disapointed with the confirmation of what they thought would be the case.

[Willie Lumpkin]

You guys do realize that Antonello's review was fairly positive right?

I ask because all I'm seeing is people focusing on strictly the things he didn't care for in the film...and missing the fact that overall he appears to have enjoyed it--as he said "quite fun" and superior to the first film AND X-Men: The Last Stand.

Just thought I'd mention that perspective ladies and gents. His review has actually stoked me more (I was never all that thrilled on Galactus being shown in this movie anyway).

I'm still looking forward to seeing it, but I had at least some hope that it would really break out, and it doesn't sound like it's going to make that leap.

I was also hoping we'd at least get a glimpse of Galactus after the credits, but it doesn't sound like we're going to get that.

. . . but I also think you'll find the posts are pretty predictable. People who have been looking forward to the movie are still looking forward to it. People who have been saying it would suck are saying: "I told you so."

. . . it's pretty much what we do, isn't it.:cwink:

[Lightning Strykez!]

My hard earned money will not be spent on any more crappy comic book films that are made by Fox. I had no problem avoiding seeing FF in the theaters after the bad reviews came out. In a week Ain't it cool news will probably confirm all the bad things I feared about this picture and influence to not see it in the theaters.

So your decisions not to see a film are based on your financial situations? If so, that's totally understandable--the economy is hard on everyone these days, and movie tickets are not cheap. :up:

But if you mean to tell me that AICN and other people's views of a film actually STOP you from going to the theatres, then I must ask: Who is REALLY manipulating you more? FOX's marketing or the views of people you've never met? Because it sure as hell isn't your own views influencing your choices...you don't have a view yet (because you haven't seen the film).

I prefer to make up my own mind. I lost a lot of love for both FF1 and X3 and I'm well versed in the problems with both productions. I did my fair share of serious bashing too. But I STILL prefer to make my own choices as to how I spend my money...I will never delegate that privelege to internet "strangers". :o

[GoblinScrier]

*Checks GoblinScrier's Birthday.*

You haven't been alive long enough to be waiting soooo long.:cwink:

I'll live with 6 minutes of Doom in Armor. Better than 0 minutes, right?

And I can wait a few more years to see Galactus. Keep in mind somebody made the deal with the surfer, and also remember this quote from Ralph Winter:

http://www.comics2film.com/ProjectFrame.php?f_id=448

"Whether we see Galactus, how much of Galactus you'll see -- I can't answer that question at the moment because we truly don't know. I'm not being coy, we just haven't made a decision yet," says Winter. "We want to cut the movie together, play it out, and see if that's necessary or needed, or if it's something we can play in another movie. There is no specific plan mapped out about Galactus right now, but that is definitely the reason that the Silver Surfer comes to earth."

That quote has had me convinced that the cloud is not Galactus, but it has also left me thinking that we'll have to wait until a future FF or SS film to actually see him.


Someone has done their research on me? LOL....yeah but I have been a Dr. Doom fan since I was 13 years old and I am currently 27 so...its a while...and yes, they could have easily still made Doom ol' Corporate and had his Matrix trenchcoat again but if we get Latveria and Doom in armor, then i guess in the end, that is what I want...

[NQ-B]

Will you be seeing the movie Lighting Strykez?

[Milkman95]

I'll be there opening day as usual, but just like I thought, they made no progress at all with correcting the multiple issues that the first film had.

Yes, I'm sure it will be entertaining, but as far as it being the epic film and story everybody wanted it to be, it will fall well short of that and the expectations this film had to begin with.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Will you be seeing the movie Lighting Strykez?

Hell yeah. Midnight showing baby.

[thegameq]

no other way! there is always another way the problem here is that this franchise was put in the hands of amauters..Tim Story and compony. Who's claim to fame "barber shop" and what was that other movie called taxi? Writers and designers of little vision with tiny egos trying to fit in the shoes of giants.. Stan Lee and Jack Kirbys. Egos that led them to think they could tell the story better and even reinvent characters like Doom, Galactus and the Thing.
What a joke! a movie made for kids I don't believe any of these guys realy read and understood these stories, it's all hype. We are left to only imagine what a James Cameron or Peter Jackson would have done with this franchise. The Watcher, Galactus, Super Skrull, Doom, the negative zone, a cgi thing and so on and so forth in a movie thats over two hours long. These numb nuts where handed a diamond and some how found a way to turn back into a piece of coal lol
Yes ignorance is bliss so I'm sure many will still enjoy this movie but sadly I'm not ignorant and will watch it with eyes that will know what could have been.

That pretty much somes up my feelings. Much like X-men, truly wasted potential. How such grandiose properties wind up in some of the most unimaginative hands is mind boggling.

Time to start lowering my expectations for Iron Man and Hulk. Maybe I'll be surprised.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I wouldn't worry about Iron Man or Hulk....they are in the best place possible--"at home" with their mother...where they truly belong: Marvel. :up:

Let's hope that one day their siblings (X-Men, FF, etc.,) will one day join them.

[Milkman95]

I wouldn't worry about Iron Man or Hulk....they are in the best place possible--"at home" with their mother...where they truly belong: Marvel. :up:

Let's hope that one day their siblings (X-Men, FF, etc.,) will one day join them.

I agree - Iron Man and Hulk are not only home with Marvel, but they also have outstanding actors and filmmakers involved.

I think it might be time to think about somebody else directing FF3.......

[Willie Lumpkin]

I wouldn't worry about Iron Man or Hulk....they are in the best place possible--"at home" with their mother...where they truly belong: Marvel. :up:

Let's hope that one day their siblings (X-Men, FF, etc.,) will one day join them.

. . . we hope.

So far, the bits and pieces seem promising, but we haven't seen a "Marvel" film yet, so let's just hope they do a better job.

To assume they'll do it right without actually seeing a film might be as silly as not seeing a movie because a guy named "Antonello Blueberry" said it was good, not great.:cwink:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I think it might be time to think about somebody else directing FF3.......

...and a new studio to house it at (I think Story actually has the right idea, but clearly there are waaaaaaaay too many chefs in his kitchen). :up:

So far, the bits and pieces seem promising, but we haven't seen a "Marvel" film yet, so let's just hope they do a better job.


Well considering the top marquee talent they've enlisted, as well as the faithfulness to the source material in minute details, I'd say they've gotten a whole lot more right than the entire sum I know of Fox's comic book franchises. :hyper:

The ONLY thing that Marvel won't have is FOX's splendid marketing machine. But at the end of the day, if the films are utter **** what good is that anyway? :csad:

[coreymb16]

I agree - Iron Man and Hulk are not only home with Marvel, but they also have outstanding actors and filmmakers involved.

I think it might be time to think about somebody else directing FF3.......No, I like Tim Story, he is a cool director.

[thegameq]

I wouldn't worry about Iron Man or Hulk....they are in the best place possible--"at home" with their mother...where they truly belong: Marvel. :up:

Let's hope that one day their siblings (X-Men, FF, etc.,) will one day join them.

Yeah, I know...you'd think they couldn't get their own properties wrong. But Mr. Murphy is a cruel SOB......still there's that small glimmer of hope inside me that someone other than Raimi and Donner ( sorry I don't count Nolan, as much respect as I have for his film) will actually succeed at making a "true" comicbook movie.

[Milkman95]

No, I like Tim Story, he is a cool director.

Yeah, I'm sure he's a cool guy, just not a great director. I'm just saying maybe it's time to give somebody else a shot at it.

We know FF2 will be financially successful, so why not bring in somebody that has a bigger scope of film in mind?

[Spider-Fan]

I have to see it first, of course, but I think Tim might have to go job hunting.

He just doesn't seem to have a true vision, and is more of a plug in director to just get it made.

[Milkman95]

I have to see it first, of course, but I think Tim might have to go job hunting.

He just doesn't seem to have a true vision, and is more of a plug in director to just get it made.

I somewhat agree with this - I think this franchise deserves someone that has a more epic scope with storytelling and family dynamics being just as important as the action, but that's just me.

[TheComicbookKid]

Well if the movie makes 200 million dollars then I'm not sure why Fox would break up a winning formula by getting rid of Story and co.

[coreymb16]

Yeah, I'm sure he's a cool guy, just not a great director. I'm just saying maybe it's time to give somebody else a shot at it.

We know FF2 will be financially successful, so why not bring in somebody that has a bigger scope of film in mind?He has to make a name for himself, that's why he's probably directing the third movie just like Sam Raimi-Spider-Man Movies, he will be the next trilogy director.

[Joe Rockhead]

what he said about galactus maybe there was no other way to put him in the movie im glad he's a force of nature instead of nothing .it could be alot worse i wonder if u see the shape of him like his helmet and all.

And tell me... why does a force of nature need a humanoid 'herald' to set things up for it's arrival?

There's no point in the Silver Surfer if there's not an intelligent being directing him.

[Mercurius]

In fact, I do not know why they kept Story for the second flick. They made good money, I know, but the second time you aren't surprising people anymore. They would need someone who could make a good impression. It eludes me.

[coreymb16]

In fact, I do not know why they kept Story for the second flick. They made good money, I know, but the second time you aren't surprising people anymore. They would need someone who could make a good impression. It eludes me.He is making a good impression, he making a better film than the first.

[Milkman95]

Well if the movie makes 200 million dollars then I'm not sure why Fox would break up a winning formula by getting rid of Story and co.

Financially a winning formula, yes, but critically, both films will fall well short in that department.

I really don't see how a more epic quality film would hamper FF's box office success........

[Milkman95]

He is making a good impression, he making a better film than the first.

Remains to be seen - if it is better, it's not the type of improvement people were hoping for, that's for sure. Not with a 89, 95, or 105 minute film.

[Spider-Fan]

I somewhat agree with this - I think this franchise deserves someone that has a more epic scope with storytelling and family dynamics being just as important as the action, but that's just me.

Story is good with the family aspect, but I see no clear vision as far as Story goes. I get no clear sense where he wants to go with the characters. His FF seems more like a set individual scenes more than a progression of a story. I also agree, he seems to have no scale, and with the FF, you need to mix family with an epic scope. I don't think Story is capable of this.

You and I agree, we need someone with a vision. Raimi had a vision for Spider-Man, Nolan had one for Batman (as did Burton), Donner had one for Superman (though WB never allowed it to be), and as much as I hated SR, Singer had one for Superman (he did with the X-Men in X2, not so much X1...X1 was a lot more generic). People may hate The Hulk, but at least it had a vision. It is no wonder most of the comic movies by these director's are well loved, and the more generic ones are left in the cold or not seen as being as great as some of these movies.

[Mercurius]

Remains to be seen - if it is better, it's not the type of improvement people were hoping for, that's for sure. Not with a 89, 95, or 105 minute film.


Yes. I suppose people wanted a really science fiction FF, a great and menacing Doom with the right clothes, and Galactus invading Earth at the end, with philosophical-technological Reed confronting him.

But we've got, I believe at least, a great depiction of SS. It is a mild comfort, preventing it from disaster. :o

[Spider-Fan]

Yes. I suppose people wanted a really science fiction FF, a great and menacing Doom with the right clothes, and Galactus invading Earth at the end, with philosophical-technological Reed comfronting him.

But we've got, I believe at least, a great depiction of SS. It is a mild comfort, preventing it from disaster. :o

Remains to be seen, but if the Surfer is great, I will be very happy (but still want a new director if the movie is otherwise more of the same).

[Carlo Comicus]

No, I like Tim Story, he is a cool director.

Cool? Oh my god...:huh:

[TheComicbookKid]

Financially a winning formula, yes, but critically, both films will fall well short in that department.

I really don't see how a more epic quality film would hamper FF's box office success........


Let's suppose that Fox exec. do look at these boards for mistakes to fix after the first FF. What would they have seen?

Complaints:Thing's brow, Sue's hair, Doom's character and dress, Reed's leadership, story logic,etc.
The Good: Alba can't act but she looked good:whatever: , Johnny and Ben, etc.

Basically everything we complained and cheered about had nothing to do with Story and was more about the script and nitpicky stuff( brow and hair). They brought in a new writer, Payne.

I'm not sure how you can get rid of Stoy without the movie failing which could doom the franchise instead.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I think the extended cut of the first film proves to me that Tim has the right vision for this franchise--but he is really all about Character development. FOX is not--they are about sales and action. So they chop all of his good stuff and we get...what we get.

Although it does appear that Story has stepped up the action quite a bit for this sequel.